I can throw less money at it to achieve the desired outcome
#🧙┃mage
barren pawn
vernal finch
but the ring is 200m, u slam it with t6 stuff
vernal finch
well the market is
sturdy summit
unreal umbra
thx
barren pawn
Okay? that ring cost me like 30 m
barren pawn
No?
hollow arrow
i still think about 600-700 corr is still good for comfy farming without having to worry
but still get good drops, so i assume 600-700 corr would be good for prophecies as well
unreal umbra
need to look at that frozen sentinel vid again then
left tundra
i still think about 600-700 corr is still good for comfy farming without having ...
depends on the build as long as rifts are 60-90 sec you may as well go high
left tundra
need to look at that frozen sentinel vid again then
his vid was prob just 2 small a samplesize to really tell
hollow arrow
thats what i mean tho, usually it's smooth sailing and nothing hits too hard still around then
900+ you start slowing down a tad but not really
unreal umbra
yeah, possibly. he also got 3 red rings from 214 ascensions when the rate should be 0.1 which doesn't match the expected rate
left tundra
like to have truly solid data you would need 1000s of the same unique would be the best way to get accurate data which just isn't super realistic in a short peroid of time
abstract bramble
Play light mm 
pale kiln
Switched from ice barrage FC RM to elenova frostbite FC recently, does anyone experience massive FPS drops whenever nova procs?
pale kiln
feelsbadman, was looking to have some explody fun too. Just rolled a +4 FC heart recently too but it just turned into more FPS loss sadge
rigid valley
Switched from ice barrage FC RM to elenova frostbite FC recently, does anyone ex...
It's bad, yes. Not as bad as detonating arrow rogue, though! That build makes my fps drop from 165 down to "freeze game for 12 seconds" 😆
bronze plank
what is "FC" ? >_>
safe grail
fat cats
vernal finch
It's bad, yes. Not as bad as detonating arrow rogue, though! *That* build makes ...
how come, from what i seen is not as big as aoe
rigid valley
how come, from what i seen is not as big as aoe
Might be all the cpu calculations, not sure!
sturdy summit
what is "FC" ? >_>
frost claw
pseudo verge
what is "FC" ? >_>
Fanta Coca-Cola
bronze plank
frost claw
thanks XD for some reason my brain just considers it one word so I never considered abbreviating it as FC <_<
hollow arrow
x3 1lp red rings in AH
nice dupe from lightless is nuts lmao
not from me i mean, just saw them there with all same stats
sturdy summit
hmm, can merchant guild players trade items freely without using bazaar or resonances?
split owl
damage is a bit better after tweaking some stuffs
hollow idol
whats our thoughts on sorc? Have you manage to make it work?
royal palm
i played sorc, but rerolled to rm
hollow idol
what was your thought process to make that switch?
royal palm
the passives on rm are more bang for ur buck
plus what u really in sorc tree is available already
arcane momentum, calculated destruction
the leech nodes
hollow idol
kept tweaking my lighting sorc on multiple attempts to make it work, even tried to moneky around with a lighting metoer with the harbringer of stars but quickly came to impossible negtive mana issues
feels something is always missing
meanwhile, casucally make a paladin and smite dealing 220k dps on a much lower level. >:U
bronze plank
Does mage have a reliable way to cheese temporal gates?
teleport doesn't seem to work and flame rush is suuuuuuuuuuper iffy
bronze plank
oh, lemme test more then
I'm like || this close to getting flamerush to be consistent XD but it's still super wonky
strange flicker
if u left click behind the gate
if it doesnt path u another path then its locked
bronze plank
yeah I'm doing it on gates that can be passed
teleport just womps me straight into the gate and not past it
flamerush I can get past it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
the trick I read that's worked like 90% of the time for me on rogue and with frame rush is to be clicking PAST the gate on the other side and as soon as it starts moving you, click your movement skill with it pointed past the gate
preferably deep past the gate
strange flicker
no idea but generally i use runic invocation and it works 100% of the time
not only through gates
but through walls too
like if a gate is locked u can attempt to jump through a wall a lil further as it might have a path unlocked on that side
but yea i assume tele is same cause i used to use it also for temporal
earnest marten
Does armor shred to frostbite conversion in 7pts freezing points node applied to shred chance in skill tree like punch metal node in runebolt?
unborn hamlet
The shred to frostbite is only extra frostbite that doesn't show in the char sheet
The shred still works
It's like gaining an extra stat from having shred
So if you got 200 shred, you also have 200 freeze on top of it
nimble shoal
Does armor shred to frostbite conversion in 7pts freezing points node applied to...
Should yeah
nimble shoal
So if you got 200 shred, you also have 200 freeze on top of it
No, it's a conversion, so the armor shred goes away on your cold skills. Doesn't matter for frostbite builds anyway.
hardy loom
hmm legacy of the quiet forest looks like a good belt to slam
3LP 20m ish and gives upto 250armor, t7 void + poisoin res
strange flicker
its good at 3+ lp, a super bis praetorian is a lil better but this 1 way easier
esp if u can use the resist
hardy loom
yea the res helps alot when balancing res
strange flicker
or take em off somewhere
hardy loom
might just be the best cuz super bis armor belt cost bomb
🙈
gonna do this for new builds
strange flicker
everytime i wana play an alt, i figure somethin new on RM and be like well i might as well push some more corruption
LOL
hardy loom
im now arboring to earn gold, wanna try out squirrel
side tracked once again feelsgoodman
bronze plank
this game sometimes tho
walk into an echo
don't like the objective? just leave and come back and it'll be a new objective
XD
strange flicker
ya
u see the 3 objectives spread
and ur like yeah no thanks
or u see some mob type u hate
bronze plank
that is exactly the two examples I just had
3 spread out garbage objectives + enemies were instantly blocking nonstop and not dying
wtf do you even do with blocking enemies? just troll garbage content
hardy loom
i detest those multi objectives that are the farthest from each other
strange flicker
u blink behind em usually
and ur spark charges will pop em
but my fav is when u blink off screen and the boss is already charging his lazer
and u just get mowed down
that fire beam dude since he looks like a normal mob i can never tell when he's spawned
and randomly get bea med
bronze plank
yarp
doing echos is like reaching into a pillowcase full of feathers
and ONE razorblade
pale kiln
I hate osprix lightmages, and the fire ones too, one moment im ok next im evaporated
Esp since my skills make my fps tank
strange flicker
the dinos?
they literally nuke ur pc as they walk
i go from 100 fps to single digit whenever theres 2 of em
bronze plank
my biggest issue with a lot of these mobs is that
they're not particularly special
things that are really tanky? should give better rewards
really dangerous? better rewards
both? believe it or not - better rewards.
their exp isn't particularly noteworthy, their drops aren't special, they're just these random annoyances that don't compensate you proportionate to the effort/risk they pose
strange flicker
well monos in general
are never gonna be better than arbor for money
its just to challenge your build
no matter how high ur corruption is ur better doing lightless for money
bronze plank
I don't think that's gonna b e true going foward unless they manage to mess up again and let the economy get hyper inflated
strange flicker
well hopefully
bronze plank
cause the cost of jucing lightless runs is not going down
strange flicker
but rn its str8 up pointless to do monos for money unless ur COF
bronze plank
but the money generated / in the system is going to go way way way down
strange flicker
1 rng arbor run will make u more than a whole day of spamming monos
even at decent not great rng
hardy loom
do monos get keys > arbor lul
bronze plank
the problem is
strange flicker
u do arbor and pick the arbor key chest 1 time
every 30 runs
and u never gotta mono
LOL
bronze plank
it's not entirely about the money cause
If I do more than a few lightless I lose my will to live
hardy loom
time to eat sleep sht in arbor
strange flicker
well its not better drops or higher rate of high LP
only for doing harder content/more fun ig
i just think arbor needa be nuked at its current state LOL
bronze plank
First - make all currency or currency like things (like soulfire currency) autopickup at screenwide range
Second - make lightless drop a lightless specific currency
strange flicker
reminds me of d4 where u make 99% of ur gold carrying ppl
bronze plank
Third - Make lightless use that currency to juice chests instead of gold and make it a dynamic of "do I save for a later run to juice harder or gamba now"
Cause the biggest issue with lightless is the interaction with MG
Get gold from MG > Infinitely juice lightless chests
and that needs to go tf away
strange flicker
cof isnt suppose to do it anyways
since doing higher mono is worth for them
for favor
mg, favor is useless
bronze plank
that's only true for people pushing really high corruption and/or never buying anything on mg
strange flicker
na even with buying
if ur corruption is high enuff ur basically
perma capped on favor as mg
really hard to run out
bronze plank
yeah but that's my point you have to be really high on corruption and not buying much
strange flicker
which eventually happens always
bronze plank
Like realistically what percentage of the player base do you think is actually playing at 500+ corruption?
strange flicker
once ur done with the initial 1-2 lp slots
p small ofc
u might as well get ahead of the problem though
since realistcally every mg will hit that wall as they gear
bronze plank
I made 3 characters - rogue on CoF, got frustrated cause the drops were trash and it felt like a waste of my time. Spun up an MG rogue - was much better - but by 500 corruption I was only rank9 and buying items to try to upgrade my build + spinning up a mage alt for fun drained all my favor really easily ... and I haven't even been listing stuff to sell
bronze plank
I mean your corruption level and your time spent grinding are pretty linear
That is your answer lol
are a lot of people deliberately avoiding pushing corrupting but still somehow playing a ton at their highest corruption?
my point is just that the whole "favor is worthless to mg" is only like 1% of the 1% that are even pushing meaningful corruption in the first place
strange flicker
just depenmds on ur builds capability usually
as far as if its worth or not
cause if u slow down a decent amt
then it can be not worth
but at same time pushing the max u can is always good
as long as its not slow af
hardy loom
if ure high corruption, favors stacks quickly, on the other hand if ure low corruption enjoyer, you dont even need to use market much to spend favor
cuz u wont need that much gearing
hmmm do i wanna go 2x julra ring
rip my res
strange flicker
julra best ring
strange flicker
just 1
hardy loom
aite
hardy loom
no wonder im seeing some crazy lighting %
but now my poison and void res is low af
might be time to hit that... belt
strange flicker
man i like the cold frost claw animation so much more than lightning
idk why
LOL
hardy loom
looks more crisp
hardy loom
is it recommended to hit 80+ spell crit ? or can i just hover around 70
@strange flicker
👀
strange flicker
well depends on ur build but u want ur spark charge to be at 100%
strange flicker
ya that should be good enough
hardy loom
tqtq
bronze plank
If I have Author of Arcana (refunds 100% runic invocation)
And Attuned Approach (refunds 40% runic invocation)
am I actually getting mana BACK when I cast it? XD
hardy loom
hmm its noticeably faster on arbor with the julra equipped
strange flicker
na only 100%
bronze plank
na only 100%
wait really? why do people go 4/4 when taking author then? O_o
seems like a waste, you could put those points into other things for more benefits I'd imagine ... the +ward from the 2 extra points seems ... pointless, it's 20 ward on cast which is lol
bronze plank
I see some builds only having 3/4 cdr from adept runescribing, or it could go into inscribed patterns for the passive effects of a little extra mana regen and freeze rate mult since you're sitting on runes almost instantly after casting
split owl
takes me 1min to kill gaze (normal mono) is this normal?
hardy loom
shades?
pale kiln
Wonder if taking wand drop rate blessing increases ladle drop rate from exiled mages
Would love me 3-4LP ladle
pale kiln
ww
Never was into trading much, lvl 10 COF has been great so far
trying to transition into lightning nova FC, red ring farm here we go
hardy loom
no, just boss in baby mono, boss in 3rd quest
u sure u following properly the build? fc is suppose to blast everything early
1min is too much
split owl
piehat
piemaster
hardy loom
kk
silk pewterBOT
hardy loom
ur crit
split owl
too low?
silk pewterBOT
split owl
how many spell crit chance do u have
hardy loom
u can see urself in the planner
split owl
54%
hardy loom
use actual tab
look at my spell crit affixes and passive points
well u gotta read into it more
split owl
alright, that's why my damage is almost pure white
hardy loom
my boots is just for arbor btw
bronze plank
idk my build is a mess and half my lps are scuffed and my crit rate is bad and nothing takes that long to die for me <_<
split owl
mapping is fast but bossing painful
hardy loom
theres some wrong nodes in ur passive
idk u gotta read the nodes and stuff properly or u just gonna ask these kinda questions
strange flicker
ur passives are a disaster LOL i think for one
just follow a guide
for passives
hardy loom
seeing this way too many times from beginners in the discord
strange flicker
ur 4/5 on some passives wher 1 point can proc the whole point of the passive
bronze plank
oh yep
that'd do it I just looked
can you guys stand in jurla's crap on t4 with your massive wards or is that still a no go? <_<
strange flicker
yea
i just hold rmb
and ignore her explosion and puddle
she dies usually before she does puddle, sometimes before explosion
bronze plank
What's your peak ward look like while you're doing that?
split owl
is the passive in sorc important?
hardy loom
i see 15k ish usually when the explosion happens
strange flicker
if u flame ward it u shud be azble to tank at sub 20k
the int is important
all int passives= good
but first focus on rune master tree
sorc is mostly for leech
bronze plank
Mkay I'll just hold flame ward for when the boom is coming and see how that goes lol
hardy loom
is the passive in sorc important?
movespeed = should be obvious, leech = for twisted heart and dmg, int + spell crit / int = should be VERY obvious
lolol
royal palm
cold and calculating/reowyn's veil is based on frostclaw FRM nodes, not FRM from gear correct?
strange flicker
everything
i assume
so both gear crit+ any crit values u get via tree that are tied to claw only
but who knows
i didnt test it personally
also might have some bugs
vernal finch
what kinda build use dagger increase lightning damage
i sold one for like 20m exalt
bronze plank
surely u know
MG: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Lightning Marksmen the Broken?
Player: No?
MG: I thought not. It's not a story the Devs would tell you. It's an MG legend. Lightning Marksmen was an incredibly broken rogue build, so powerful and so broken he could push impossibly high corruption and influence drop rates to create gold… Their build was so broken that you could even sell them gear that no one else wanted for millions.
hardy loom
gotta correct that , gold is made from arbor not so much corruption
abstract bramble
Gotta correct that, you talking about explo ballista pre nerf
strange flicker
lets just say
hardy loom
😢
abstract bramble
More broken than light mm, so should explain how broken it was 🤣
cedar ocean
So I assume some area nodes/passives were bugged?
vernal finch
u dont know about lightning marksmen?
detonating marksman? i thought they use jelkor, and there plenty of increase lightning damge for 5-10m, mine was has chance poison at very top pasif stat and increase lightning
vernal finch
it was price 20m like 1 week ago, now there plenty 5-10 m for slam
strange flicker
the only ethical class in this game is rm
rm players just better gamers thats all
hitting frostclaw nonstop like its osu
hardy loom
facts
vernal finch
So there must be some build use poison and lightning at same time ? Hmm
abstract bramble
facts <:kappa:570776921554681905>
Traitor
strange flicker
he just wants to be on the right side of history
abstract bramble
abstract bramble
🤣
hardy loom
tho once im bored i go back again
bronze plank
I want a refund on this FC RM build I couldn't stand in lagon's breath
hardy loom
something soemthing you're a ranged class
welp pretty good 5 runs
about 100m+ if these stuff sell
strange flicker
wow must be nice
cedar ocean
Noice
vernal finch
cant help it cuz arbor on rm is better due to frostclaw relics
Does it worth to run arbor these days, or I'm just unlucky
Every item price dropped alot
hardy loom
easy peasy for sure
hardy loom
Does it worth to run arbor these days, or I'm just unlucky
Every item price dro...
still better than monos
strange flicker
ya u only need 1 decent rng
and u make bank
yesterday i sold some double t6 exalt chest
for 250m
bronze plank
have u tried using the stairs
I can't believe that works
hardy loom
ig for new mg they need to have a decent starting base like 40m to spam arbors
strange flicker
LOL
cedar ocean
Yeah someone also sold t7 health and open prefix for ~800m
strange flicker
i mean i would just do it cause the boss drops some banger items too
maybe i slam another twisted today
add another fail to my collection
i been pathing this monolith tryina find the +16 orob
and i cant find
bronze plank
skill issue
vernal finch
still better than monos
Well monos free,😃 arbor is like 5m, or I just bad roll
abstract bramble
Yeah someone also sold t7 health and open prefix for ~800m
Body? 😅😅
bronze plank
hm
is spell critical strike chance fine for a neck LP instead of critical strike chance?
strange flicker
its the best
u never want critical over spell crit
spell crit always gives bigger value for the same tier
vernal finch
Why CRIT chance t7 on erased glove bad stat I see a lot of cheap one like below 5m
strange flicker
theres 2 many competitive stats on gloves
abstract bramble
Can you tp to each other when doing multiplayer now?
vernal finch
<:Facepalm:1182373892455678132> i forgot to put my freeze neck for shade
There some weird stuff on your cheese
When he use skill that he disappear to black hole and call a lot of meteor ball from all over, he can do this while stunned ???
I try it 5 times and it failed
It's the only skill he had that can't be cheesed / he can do while stunned / freezed
Luckily I have portal ready
strange flicker
he shouldnt be moving at all
unless u messed something up
or ur cdr isnt enough
or ur skill pts are off
i fukin dced mid shade
aaaaa
-27 gaze
skill issue
if he's doing it at the start
then that means u prob either cced 2 early
or 2 late
most likely 2 early
he becomes targeted after he drops down and stands still for like 0.5 seconds/0.3 sec
needa know when he can be targeted/cced
but after that initial point, u just gotta use it on cd exactly LOL
hardy loom
sssssskill issued
hardy loom
ssssskill un-issued
vernal finch
then that means u prob either cced 2 early
Nah he doing it at the middle
strange flicker
shouldnt be unless ur cdr is off/u were late on the snap
vernal finch
I never fail unless he use that skill
strange flicker
ya that skill has lower frames
but should still not be possible unless something is off
vernal finch
104 percent cool down, 80 freeze duration from skill node, 75 duration amulet
strange flicker
double check ur tree to make sure its all rdy
LOL
sometimes 1 point off on anythin= cant perma
or cant perma all skills
cause theres diff cast times for each of his skills
vernal finch
Nah I 5 times check I try it 5 times at same boss timeline
I hold down the snanp freeze keys
strange flicker
yeah, hmm weird, never happens to me unless i have somethin off w the skill point
the only other factor would be cast speed of your snap
vernal finch
It's lv 5 I think
strange flicker
iif u want another sureway/somehow its messing up
take ice barrage
and head to ice shield
and lower cd of ice barrage
vernal finch
Like it's the only skill he had that ever made me fall there nothing else
strange flicker
so top right bottom left
and u spam barrage+ snap on cd
and stay in melee range
everytime ice shield pops
it freeze again and lowers ur snap cd
should be able to easily cover any mistakes/issues w dat
as long as ur mana can maintain it
LOL
but ya idk i havnt had issues w any of the shades
the only sus shade is the teleporting one on his first skill
gotta be on point w timing so he doesnt cast
LOL
only the first cast
vernal finch
maybe ping / latency issue had like 50ms
vernal finch
and also that skills trigger faster compared to his other skills
strange flicker
ya
lower frames on it
thats why u generally need abit more cdr
to cover all diff types of skills
vernal finch
how much yours
strange flicker
but the ice barrage trick should negate that
vernal finch
i had like 104
strange flicker
100%
should be more than enough at 104
i used to do it with 92%
and had 0 issues
vernal finch
yeah latency or maybe skill issue on my part LOL
strange flicker
might have just casted it a tiny bit late
split owl
@yeba https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEXqpJ7Q how abt now
silk pewterBOT
vernal finch
i just skipped that echo nodes and go for other if i encounter that, not risking it
strange flicker
take off jagged veil/celestial doom for now @split owl
get arcane momentum on sorc tree to 5
split owl
ok
strange flicker
take off sphere of protection
strange flicker
take off decree of the burning wind
and put all those extra points on getting 5 brand of deception and 7 celestial doom
also u need calculated destruction in sorc tree to 5 atleast for now
i would say get calculated destruction first
to 5
then work on the rest
vernal finch
take off decree of the burning wind
do u take overload from elemental nova, cause i wanna remove aoe from my elemental expanse, its allready big enough as it, i put it on overcharge and overload....... more shock, or do i take melting nova?
strange flicker
i wouldnt take it generally for ur typical spark charge build
i use it for something else
hardy loom
@yeba https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEXqpJ7Q how abt now
what puru said and take a crack in the ice on frostclaw, u can wear a 0LP unstable core with high mana rolls, target 300 mana and 2 10-12% mana efficiency idols or whatever u can afford
strange flicker
the only useful thing from overload
is the shock application increase
which isnt needed
elemental expanse is better in general
vernal finch
so melting nova is better yeah? i have other amulet that has only like 40% sealed shred chance
hardy loom
as long u know what to do @split owl
strange flicker
and after focus on the rest, the brand+ celestial doom will help you with ward
hardy loom
👍🏾
strange flicker
melting bad
split owl
thanks a bunch
strange flicker
if u have extra points go top left
anything bottom is bad
same with right side
vernal finch
melting bad
so elemental expense still best? the increase aoe thing
but i try to left it at 1 and 5 the graphic animation still same
strange flicker
yes if u need it, the other choice is shatter nova
should be decent difference
u sure?
LOL
vernal finch
but i try to left it at 1 and 5 the graphic animation still same
are the graphic not scaling
strange flicker
it shouild scale
vernal finch
yes if u need it, the other choice is shatter nova
what do u take
can u share your build
strange flicker
my build is super diff rn
but i take shatter nova
i drop expanse
i take infernal nova for area increase then head to shatter nova
vernal finch
shatter nova only buff elemental nova damage right, not frost claw
strange flicker
yea
but its a a pretty big increase
anyways its really dependant on what corruption u play at
generally the area increase is better for lower corruption
cause u just want it to apply 1 spark
vernal finch
melting nova is like 40% / 1 point, so thats like tier 2 on the gear affix?
strange flicker
so taking expanse is probably still good
its 40% for nova only
and 40% is nothing
vernal finch
oh F
strange flicker
like to give u an idea
strange flicker
its 40% chance to get 1 stack
yea
u can go expanse+ overload
if u want max coverage
abstract bramble
snow tigers 😵 😵
strange flicker
hardy loom
thats alot
vernal finch
i think its the worm
abstract bramble
They don't like me & I dont like then either 😶😶
Prolly died by them+grey birds the most 🤣🤣
vernal finch
time to slam a twisted
gl
abstract bramble
what kinda b uild use atunement
Pala
vernal finch
ok, on what part of gear usually
wow 16 spell damage laddle now 40 and 50m
3 lp
price dropping like a rock
junior hollow
ok, on what part of gear usually
helm
hardy loom
🙈
strange flicker
i got a nice 3% cast speed upgrade outa dis
vernal finch
that makes 7 2lp hearts bricked
ouch
vernal finch
FFFF someone sold 2 LP jungle quen belt 25k
i try to snap it, and it said bazzar error
strange flicker
where are these mythical creatures when am at mg
cedar ocean
I have some in storage $$$
$$$$
abstract bramble
https://i.imgur.com/OVdxJwC.jpeg i want these gloves 🤣
damm i get baited with throw speed/new builds* 🤣
cedar ocean
I got 2lp Static shell for 3m few days ago
Got perfect slam on it too
One of the cheapest upgrades ever haha
dark swallow
its fine if your aco exalted armor has ZERO acolyte affixes. If your acolyte exalted armour has 1 acolyte affix and by some luck it gets slammed onto static shell, your mage wont be able to put it on.
Crafting does check the base item because based on what you say, then u will be able to slam Exalted gloves on Unique helms if its jsut based on affixes lol
whoever was selling the 3lp enigma for 500k, tyvm lol
dark swallow
I got 2lp Static shell for 3m few days ago
just bought 1 for 50k 😛
cedar ocean
just bought 1 for 50k 😛
Nice haha
dark swallow
ah cant upload screenies
vernal finch
my erased glove with t7 cast speed and 10 left point sold for like 60m, maybe i put it too cheap... but only 3 all stat and low atk speed 7
it sold in 10 min
dark swallow
there are a bunch of 2lp static shell in the AH now for 2.8-4m
dark swallow
all low rolls
vernal finch
there like 171 armor 10 percent damage for 1 day no one buys
but mine allready 169 and 13 so i dont buy it
vernal finch
there like 171 armor 10 percent damage for 1 day no one buys
10m
vernal finch
i think there not alot of static enjoyer
171 10 went for like near 24h for only 10m no one wants to buy it
dark swallow
i think there are some who uses it on fc nova variants too
sturdy summit
should that say spark enjoyer?
vapid forge
median hamlet
sturdy summit
I don't think people like static. People like spark.
muted valley
+4 fc is bait. All about the 16int/2fc life.
left tundra
cof si the way
safe grail
COF will never be the way as long as boss uniques aren't included
i just cannot get past that unfortunately.
left tundra
boss uniques are rough for sure non boss uniques are way easier though
strange flicker
tbh at this point idc about boss uniques
my 2 lp hearts are doomed either way
1 lp is common enough that it wont matter as long as i get my +16 int LOL
left tundra
i wouldn't go that far it is def annoying how limited boss drops are
but having everything else at 2-3 lp easily is real nice
left tundra
took me about a week to fully gear my rm to the point where i've spent the last 2 weeks just chasing lp red ring slams with all my favor
strange flicker
does it affect dungeon drops
from bosses
my gear has basically been stagnant for weeks
where there is no possible upgrades since u cant rly hunt for 4 lp as mg
left tundra
you're more likely to get 4lp gear as mg prob
left tundra
that's the point there not meant to exist
strange flicker
maybe next cycle will be diff
left tundra
you're never going to be running around in full 4lp gear
that's just not how this game functions
left tundra
if you're chasing 4lp just play legacy
strange flicker
its not rly chasing cause realistcally they are competely not needed
its more like the possibility of that existing
LOL
left tundra
4lp rarity is fine
barren pawn
3/4lp for certain items are this games chase.
They do exist
but they are incredibly rare if not next to impossible to drop
just like launch uber uniques from d4
for example
3/4lp red rings are possible but you are looking at odds so infinitesimally small that chasing it is just wasting your life away
pale cedar
3/4lp red rings *are possible* but you are looking at odds so infinitesimally sm...
99% of gamblers quit right before they hit. Just gotta be the 1%
errant plank
99% of gamblers quit right before they hit. Just gotta be the 1%
😄
when should some1 start slaming?
pale cedar
People usually recommend just slamming whenever you get something reasonable. Or you could be like me and still be sitting on my 4 lp sunwreathe that ill never find a ring good enough for me to slam xd
errant plank
never did the dungeon anyway, is there anything specific to know or i can just go and look by myself ?
barren pawn
99% of gamblers quit right before they hit. Just gotta be the 1%
its..... significantly smaller than 1%
we are talking odds of 1 out of multiple millions that it drops
pale cedar
Press d to timeshift, theres a big aoe explosion after she starts lighting runes up in a circle around the arena. When the last rune lights up it goes off (1 shot on harder difficulties). You can press d to dodge it and wait for he to go to the new time zone after the aoe. Past that, you just need a 4 affix exaulted item to be able to slam on the unique item with lp. The level of the dungeon (1, 2, 3 or 4) decides the max level the item can be for using the cache at the end. Finally, you have to use the cache in the bright time line (I think divine) by putting the items there, then switch to the dark timeline to pull your item out
pale cedar
its..... significantly smaller than 1%
I didnt say that the odds of it dropping were 1%. I said that the 1% is the percentage of people who get that next hit cause they didnt quit gambling 😉
errant plank
Press d to timeshift, theres a big aoe explosion after she starts lighting runes...
ok you speak about julra as "she" right? Do i need to have the components on me or do ive access to my stash ?
pale cedar
ok you speak about julra as "she" right? Do i need to have the components on me ...
yep i meant julra. There is a stash in the room where you forge the item so you'll be good on that. You can only forge one item per dungeon run tho
errant plank
And tier of the dungeon = nb of LP that can be used ?
pale cedar
And tier of the dungeon = nb of LP that can be used ?
tier of dungeon = level of item. If you have a level 15 item with 4 lp, the tier 1 dungeon can forge it. But it wont be able to forge a level 75 item in example. Those levels should be noted when you're selecting the dungeon tier
errant plank
ok so frozen ire is level 33 right
pale cedar
i think its 55, 65, 75, 100 but im not positive
sturdy summit
that sounds close
pale cedar
yeah frozen ire should be easy enough to run any for. And ty for confirmation philip
sturdy summit
I think t3 might be 71 or 73 or something. It's one level lower than the item I wanted to smash :p
errant plank
ok ive a T7 spellslinger and 1LP frozen ire
pale cedar
25% Prayge
Yeah I remember t3 preventing me from slamming my unstable core and i wasnt able to do t4 till a long time later X_X
errant plank
i should reroll affixes on exalter to get max roll right?
sturdy summit
ok ive a T7 spellslinger and 1LP frozen ire
hope you used a rune of creation on it. It took me 6 smashes before I got a 1lp hit :p
errant plank
i dont have runes of creation ^^
pale cedar
i should reroll affixes on exalter to get max roll right?
if you have extra fp and only care about the t7 spellslinger yeah
errant plank
should i keep this T7 spellslinger to create duplicates?
sturdy summit
depends on your appetite for risk, I guess
errant plank
when i duplicate it , it will remove any remaining forging potential right ?
sturdy summit
yes
the bonus spell damage isn't really important for frostbite, but it's not useless.
errant plank
ok i should forge to reroll this specific affix without reaching 0 FP and the duplicate it, can be done only once
only then i will try to slam
sturdy summit
sounds right
pale cedar
Prayge gl
errant plank
oh i have a rune of creation already 😄
sturdy summit
as you can get prophecies for runes of creation, it's worthwhile to use it
errant plank
duly noted 🙂
sturdy summit
t7 spellslinger and +4fc are the two things I think are best for those
errant plank
will have to wait tonight, kids do not wait and cant understand the importance of slamming (kiddin' :D)
bronze plank
COF will never be the way as long as boss uniques aren't included
CoF is DOA in any cycle where there's any significant botting or other sources of gold inflation
How's CoF gonna compete with both being able to buy stuff on the market and also being able to print your own gold by selling a few hot items and then being able to juice your lightless runs more or less for free whenever you want?
sturdy summit
I'm farming turnips
bronze plank
like, what, in SDV?
hollow arrow
lmao
sturdy summit
ACNH. All my stocks are up :p
hollow arrow
lmao
hmmm lets go put melee crit and melee atk spd on this maw
Hmmmmmm
i need that editor so i can test a VK build lmao
digital musk
If anyone ever played cof thinking it'd be better or even remotely close to equal
Regardless if EHG claimed it would be
Kinda dumb imo
We do it cause ssf is fun
safe grail
yeah it's just str8 not
but
yeah SSF can be fun but
it only is fun
if you're okay w/ playing maybe 1 or 2 builds
digital musk
I have 3 and enough for like 3 more easy
safe grail
i've enjoyed trying multiple builds this cycle since i only had a few weeks before 1.0 launch
safe grail
oh none of the things ive played are at that either
i am fine settling 2-3 LP
the other problem is if i play COF
and whiff a slam
it feels exponentially worse.
sturdy summit
I'm okay with playing maybe 1 or 2 builds, but I'm also feeling like I'm about done for this cycle. Pushing past 600 corruption is just not really that compelling.
safe grail
I'm okay with playing maybe 1 or 2 builds, but I'm also feeling like I'm about d...
yeah i feel that. i am also noticing that like
COF kind of pulls ahead right about now
Market slowing down/drying up so
hollow arrow
less people on now
safe grail
yep
hollow arrow
not as many things dropping/going for sale
guess i'll play diablo when it opens up s4
step back into some survival crafters till then lmao
sturdy summit
satisfactory is starting to hype their 1.0 release. I bet it will come out around the same time as cycle 2
bronze plank
yooooooooooooo lets goooooooooo
bronze plank
just replaced both my mana efficiency idols
1m for 14% and 30%
180k for 13% and 30%
just listed within the last 20m
sturdy summit
nice
left tundra
less people on now
the big thing is most people can buy mg is insane when very few people can buy items
hollow arrow
ye
whats also nuts to me is that gold sellers are still selling lmao
wondering if ehg is not cracking down as hard now, and focusing on other stuff, cuz price is fluctuating alot and selling
oh rimworld is on sale
👀
safe grail
p good chance that ill just slam out on PD2 for a few weeks then drop in and play D4 S4.
the exploit and subsequent banwave p much nuked the remainder of cycle 1 it seems.
I like finally got a couple of drops and im massively undercutting to sell these relics and they are still not moving.
hollow arrow
ye even with undercutting stuff aint selling as fast
safe grail
this is why COF needs a massive boost like
hollow arrow
will be interesting to play another build when c2 comes out for sure
safe grail
i have no desire to be at a massively numerical/mathematical disadvantage.
hollow arrow
but they gotta add some changes to game like rewards for the season, or more bosses/drop rates
more enemies, or special enemies
idk
something lmao
bronze plank
i have no desire to be at a massively numerical/mathematical disadvantage.
I'd take a minor disadvantage if it meant not dealing with this UX cancer lol cause like holy crap MG UX is a warcrime
safe grail
I'd take a minor disadvantage if it meant not dealing with this UX cancer lol ca...
yeah same.
hollow arrow
needs higher favor rates also
bronze plank
COF should just have a big sprawling list of fixed prophs you can take and just pick whatever tf you want
because the whole "lol 250 favor to refresh" thing is just a meme and casual time theft
like literally just disrespecting my time making me click the button a dozen times for no reason
strange flicker
i mean how big of a disadvantage is it really, as far as meta builds go, its probably just about the speed of getting the gear early
am sure they will buff it abit for cycle 2 also considering all ppls complaints
and i hate having to deal with MG and the way it is rn
safe grail
it's uh
so as far as meta builds go
it's probably not terrible
but you basically can never deviate from the one build yo udo
which is fine
strange flicker
yea i mean most meta builds also fully function on 2 lp
safe grail
yeah
strange flicker
and most builds in this game
safe grail
but that is also an issue
is the COF perk gets you more 1 LP items
but it doesnt scale until you get into a bit higher corruption where you start seeing more 2-3 LPs
IMO the 0 LP mechanic should just be thrown out
strange flicker
which isnt a problem for meta builds
safe grail
and just have 1-4
safe grail
the only 0 LP that should exist and will continue
is Set items
they said sets wont have LP but are receiving a considerable buff in terms of power to utilize them in endgame builds
strange flicker
does cof boost dungeon loot
safe grail
as in the mono rewards?
strange flicker
no like julra
or lightless
boss look
*loot
like if ur farming julra rings/mountain boots how big of a diff does COF make
strange flicker
but ya biggest advantage of MG is tbh the early point
if u get ahead and get ur rank early
can snipe some cheap sht
safe grail
yeah so there's two annoying things about COF that MG just solves right away
which are those two things
lol
strange flicker
but at the same time, the end game of mg rly just isnt enjoyable
safe grail
also yes
strange flicker
ur literally either sitting there
refreshing
or spamming arbor which i rly hope they nuke
safe grail
my current issue is that
any meaningful upgrades that i remotely want
i just str8 cant get now
i have like
112m lmao
and until this neck and 2x 4 FC relics sell
im p dead in the water.
and they just....arent
safe grail
i have em massively undercut too
strange flicker
or are ppl scared to rmt
safe grail
like 175m ea
safe grail
like these are solid to use for a 2 LP slam too
cause i rolled int
(granted its only t5)
safe grail
yeah
strange flicker
so t5 int is fine
but srsly having to spam arbor for gold
and not being able to actually farm currency
LOL
safe grail
lmao
strange flicker
rly not fun
safe grail
i'd rather just put the game down and go play other sht
strange flicker
2 late for taht
safe grail
like i said PD2 is dropping a new season today so
safe grail
easier for me to just abandon LE for 2 months lmfao
strange flicker
and seems to be time based
around this time twisted is always like 400m cheaper for some reason lmao
strange flicker
they just needa nuke the AH, make some changes to that
abstract bramble
Mg is 100 times Better atm imo
strange flicker
here to hoping we dont get rolled by another exploit cycle 2
i mean
its not about better
its just not fun
u get easy gear as mg
strange flicker
and then ur stuck rnging drops to get anything going
strange flicker
and at some point ur stuck cause u arnt rly interacting with the mg anymore
cause nothing that u want would go up
safe grail
good mention too is like
90% of items become worthless after week 2-3
because now you are only hunting 2-4 LP
and good donor bases
idols are miserable to try and sell
crafting is relatively irrelevant for MG
lots to fix and think about
abstract bramble
But yea game mostly dead anyway after poe leuage & latest gold dupe
safe grail
it was a lot less the POE league
strange flicker
u can see the gold prices going up and up nonstop for no real reason
safe grail
almost no impact on this game lol
stiff crown
Ded gaem
frozen sleet
For LB/static orb spark charge sorc what should I be using for leech? I have the passive and the helmet implicit alongside the blessing, should I use woven flesh?
strange flicker
you shouldnt need more than 1 source of leech
maybe u can run 2 until you do more damage/ but generally just the passive is enough
bronze plank
i mean how big of a disadvantage is it really, as far as meta builds go, its pro...
idk man like the way MG gets mid-late cycle where you can buy certain 1/2lp items for literally like zero gold or buy mid-tier weavers that are still better than 90% of the ones you'll see drop normally on CoF for like pennies ... I don't think it's just "a little speed" of gear acquisition
strange flicker
well
mid cycle generally u wont be needing any of those
unless u enjoy alting alot/ur new
bronze plank
¯_(ツ)_/¯
bronze plank
I respect your opinion but, I'll also send you a 100 dollar steam gift card if you go get a 2lp crest of unity for me on CoF with decent rolls on implicits within the next ... I'll be generous and say 6 hours.
But you have to record the play session XD
Being about to just outright buy things on MG for a reasonable price is ridiculous compared to what CoF gets
Sure the loot explosion looks neat and "in theory" you can get specific things or good things with it but like, in practice it's pretty darn potato
stiff crown
MG makes getting to end game more stream lined for sure. But browsing shops was only fun at the start; got tedious when you are shopping for 1% power level upgrades. COF may take longer but i think i might have gotten more enjoyment out of the game and would probably still be playing if I was CoF
strange flicker
you would def enjoy it more unless ur whole purpose is to test builds
and not play ur main char
idc if it takes abit longer
to get my 2 or 3lp
if u can actually do stuff afterwards
sturdy summit
I think they should buff CoF until it's better than MG. And people will still go MG.
bronze plank
I stopped playing my original rogue because I found it too depressing to be playing a ton and rolling a ton of prophs and just straight up not seeing upgrades
stiff crown
MG is stronger the more people that are in it. COF’s strength is capped.
bronze plank
I don't like playing MG but it was way less depressing since at the end of the day "You will definitely get some crap someone else wants that's worth money" which directly equates to "Now I can go buy something I actually want"
strange flicker
yea and thats the annoying part tbh, as i said like lets say rn u just started
what u do is buy 0 gold items
make lets say 50m or w/e doing monoliths/get rng 1 time
then go lightless and ignore monos
till u get all the gear u ca get
or if u require favor u do some monos
which isnt fun, sure in practice it'll be faster than cof esp if u get lucky
but i aint here to do some dog content where i 1 shot the boss and the gambling part takes longer than the dungeon
LOL
safe grail
so true king
bronze plank
I mean, monos wear pretty thin on their fun pretty fast for me as well tbf
safe grail
currently gambling
bronze plank
the maps suck
bronze plank
the mob density sucks
there's legitimately nothing interesting about monos, or their objectives
I would trade current monos/maps for d3 rifts in a heartbeat tbf
idk what it was about those but they were actually fun to just spam the crap out of
pew pew pew mobs go boom
strange flicker
i dont mind monos, i just prefer if the difficulty curve was tighter so u dont gotta waste time grinding 5000 corruption for any real difficulty
instead made it scale way harder but closer together numbers wise
bronze plank
i dont mind monos, i just prefer if the difficulty curve was tighter so u dont g...
this is the truth lol
odd tulip
i dont mind monos, i just prefer if the difficulty curve was tighter so u dont g...
Or like they did empowered 100 coruption they could’ve put more options 500 coruption 1k and so on
bronze plank
EXP/rewards/stability at 0 corruption or 100 corruption should be like what somewhere around 300-500 is. Monos don't stop feeling "bad" until like 300
sturdy summit
i dont mind monos, i just prefer if the difficulty curve was tighter so u dont g...
yeah, I like monoliths, and they'll be even better once they add more things to do in them, as they've said they will.
bronze plank
Which is hilarious cause 300 is apparently where the reasonable grind stops according to the devs?
stiff crown
I wouldn’t mind upping the corruption gain, but also reduce some corruption if you die just to give the activity some risk because right now it’s 0 risk
bronze plank
I miss "bossing"
Where you'd just fire up a new game or refresh a map and go zip zip zippity zoop over to a boss, womp the crap out of it, see if you got any good drops, and then do it over again
sturdy summit
isn't that what dungeons are?
odd tulip
Where you'd just fire up a new game or refresh a map and go zip zip zippity zoop...
You have dungeons 😁
bronze plank
Dungeons themselves ruin the whole experience though because of the way the maps are just designed like crap
🤢
Or like soulfire would be neat honestly I would enjoy the premise a lot more if it weren't a backtracking to pick up tiny balls of light simulator
stiff crown
They should add a cow level
sturdy summit
that brings up a general point, which is that items drop way too slowly. Literally too slowly. I'm already like 2 screens away and something drops way far away.
bronze plank
that brings up a general point, which is that items drop way too slowly. Literal...
D4 had the right idea that the most desirable items / important loot just straight tf up gets sent to your storage if you somehow miss it
sturdy summit
sometimes there's like a 4 or 5 second delay before the drop animation even activates
bronze plank
Stop wasting my time looking away from the action and getting sidetracked from the things that are actually supposed to be fun just to micromanage a completely unnecessary and not fun facet of the gameplay <_<
strange flicker
u mean like how when u open a chest
gotta wait 20 sec for the dumb shards to pop out
bronze plank
dude the chest triggers me so hard
sturdy summit
yeah, that stuff's super annoying
stiff crown
The mono rewards
bronze plank
it was cute the first like 900 times I opened a chest and now I'm just like "could you not?"
sturdy summit
the worst, absolute worst, is that after you select a blessing, you have to wait for the stupid animation to play every time, and you can't port out while it does.
bronze plank
oh my god that animation
should have been a one time thing and escape should close it out or it should have an X
jfc
sturdy summit
yeah
like, even if you choose to not take an blessing, it still plays. It's only there to be annoying.
bronze plank
but yeah I'm like cautiously hopeful about future updates? they did a TON of really good stuff that I can't imagine living without in an ARPG game at this point ...
unlimited stash tabs, search functionality, baseline loot filter (ok POE has it but like d4 still managed to NOT have it even after POE more or less set the standard)
but they also did a paradoxically large amount of really dumb crap too <_< like all of the above
minor wasp
Looking through the abilities on my Spellblade and wondering if chill chance is worth anything other than slowing the enemy? Like, does it sync with any other skill on the talent trees to benefit a frostbite build or can I safely not worry about chill chance?
obsidian reef
Looking through the abilities on my Spellblade and wondering if chill chance is ...
nah its pretty useless ngl
even the passives that work with chill aren't that great either