mmo players
#🧙┃mage
strange flicker
if they got what they want every class would run around with a sword and auto attack
sturdy summit
now announcing the ability to specialize in that auto attack skill you probably don't even remember having at level 1 :d
strange flicker
but yeah i just think they'll give it a slap on the wrist, nerf warding and make some general "mechanics" nerfs
rather than heavily target classes
LOL
opal mountain
Bigger picture, the silliest part about nerfing something like FC is you overlook the current state of Runemaster. Its all creative ways to apply Spark charges.
strange flicker
cause u cant even nerf runemaster if u dont destroy frostbite for every1, unless u completely destroy frost claw
and ya u can actually make nonfrost claw builds with elemental nova/spark
opal mountain
Yeah if you're .001 percent of players with 4LP everything then Im sure theres a few builds out there, but itd be maniacal to adjust the game based on something that doesn't apply to 99.9% of players.
strange flicker
u can run elemental starfield/take a mana neutral skill like fireball
digital musk
Bro I took shuriken to 1k on cof
strange flicker
and take the cdr on teleport belt
thin tree
Would you prioritize health or ward?
sturdy summit
Would you prioritize health or ward?
False dichotomy: endgame ward generation converts health into ward.
ward is the goal, but you'll want to stack health to get more ward.
whether you go low-life or twisted heart
digital musk
On mage it's also just significant easier
strange flicker
ur prio will be ward>armor>health if resist is okay
shell fern
whether you go low-life or twisted heart
i feel like for twisted heart its more of balance between cast speed and hp tbh.
digital musk
Almost hard to not go ward you'd have to purposefully avoid so much
sturdy summit
i feel like for twisted heart its more of balance between cast speed and hp tbh.
that's fair, although cast speed is a prefix and health is a suffix
strange flicker
sure but no caster is running that
shell fern
that's fair, although cast speed is a prefix and health is a suffix
yeah but i meant in the way which scales twisted heart ward gen better.
strange flicker
we have static shell
10x better chest
ward better
well
by ward
its basically int
shell fern
many rms atleast used to play low life.
shell fern
they didnt use twisted
digital musk
Beta was hyd meta
strange flicker
cant think of a single build that would prefer lowlife over twisted rn
i mean
even beta plasma was better no?
as far as pushing stuff goes
shell fern
i think some used twisted purely for stats, cast speed, massive increased hp, +1 to skills, cast speed and some armor
stiff crown
Mana Strike cannot use heart since it's not a spell
sturdy summit
frostbite doesn't like lowlife because it can't use Last Steps
shell fern
as far as pushing stuff goes
nah, spark charge pushed to 6k in beta
shell fern
frostbite doesn't like lowlife because it can't use Last Steps
frostbite can low life with t7 experimental and exsang, don't need the boots
strange flicker
beta was scuffed right w all the bugs
also
7k corr beta
is what
4k in release?
strange flicker
since scaling got giga buffed
digital musk
Its actually so much easier now
shell fern
beta was scuffed right w all the bugs
not really that different tbh from launch
yeah 10x easier
sturdy summit
frostbite can low life with t7 experimental and exsang, don't need the boots
What's so annoying about those boots is they have amazing stats for frostbite, if only they didn't use the slot that you need to put snowdrift into.
strange flicker
but ik rm had insane bugs in beta with pen and stuff
shell fern
the modifiers were absurd
digital musk
For 6 echoes
strange flicker
oo
strange flicker
well to be fair
shell fern
deadly+increased phys dmg+hp and dmg on rares
digital musk
They removed a lot of modifiers and heavily trimmed the ones that they kept
shell fern
yea
digital musk
Scaling feels semi similar to me
Its noticeable but its always been the modifiers that make it hard
sturdy summit
I kind of liked the gameplay of trying to stack up 6 modifiers. Now I don't even really look at it.
I just make sure there's nothing awful in there for oro
strange flicker
it
100% isnt
i got vids of
2 7k corruption runs
the diff
is massive
we talking
like 4x more dmg
the dude was doing
pre 1.0
i assume alota bugs involved
digital musk
I mean the games been a mess since day 1 so idk about that part
digital musk
I did 1k in beta and now and it was not even comparable in difficulty
That's what I'm basing it off of
strange flicker
i can link u the vids
its
insane
same person
same char
pre and post 1.0
i assume on legacy
digital musk
Prob already seen
strange flicker
my dude killing 7k like its 3k for me
digital musk
They changed skills and stuff too
digital musk
Its just a dif game now really
strange flicker
tbh i do hope they iron out on all the bugs
shell fern
link it?
digital musk
Imagine not being able to do sanctum for 1 month
strange flicker
lmao
digital musk
Cause u crash insta
And if you do make it
When you time travel for the clock it sends you back and kills you
🙃
hollow arrow
christ 7001 lmao
strange flicker
its legacy for both
hollow arrow
yeah
digital musk
There was a static orb up high too iirc
strange flicker
slower than my spark still for monos LOL cause u clear alot faster
i just hope they somehow make runic invo builds the strongest for rm
crazy that i gotta frostbite instead of that
or spark
rm would be 10x cooler if u had to invos
shell fern
i mean you can see the frostwall nerf, he has to be way more careful since not perma 30% dr from flame ward
strange flicker
yea
digital musk
I highkey don't like invos in practice rn but it's such a good idea
A lot of them are just not useful
sturdy summit
Invo doesn't seem set up to be the main skill, it still needs other skills to build up to it. But I would like it if more invocations were viable to build around, or even better, use more than one in a single build (I know plasma orb uses both plasma orb and frostguard, but that barely counts)
strange flicker
problem is that they have invos that buff u
but the buffs needa be better
like covenant arc should be
2x better and last longer
and other buffs
shell fern
frostbite too
the build in the vids is not frostbite build
strange flicker
is it crit
digital musk
Should honestly just simplify the system to really flesh out a few skills instead of what it is now
shell fern
yea
strange flicker
for both?
shell fern
mourningfrost, so he stacking dex
strange flicker
ig he does run both
but ik for cycle he frostbites after like 3kish?
idr exact corr
sturdy summit
dang, I didn't realize anyone was running frostbite that high
strange flicker
ic
the power diff is massive no idea what exactly got nuked
or the corr scaling diff no clue
the quality is dog i cant read what the % scaling showing
digital musk
Does he have easy modifiers
Those were 100x more important at the time than any corr #
Mobile I cba
shell fern
the power diff is massive no idea what exactly got nuked
well, only thing that really got nuked was no more perma flameward from frostwall
but mobs just have way more hp now
shell fern
thats the biggest difference most likely
digital musk
I was so happy when I made a rm last week to see it had a 12sec cd now
Sht was so dumb
shell fern
dmg was pretty similar back then but more spikes thanks to modifiers, now its linear. but mobs didn't have that much hp unless u took alot of hp modifiers.
strange flicker
ya i think its just mob tankyness got massive diff
well tbh rn some mobs are legit insane at 4-5k+
like embermages
if its an embermage mono
just hit T
shell fern
that drop yellow circle
shell fern
oh, yeah
strange flicker
casts in like 0.5 sec
shell fern
the ones that spawn from bone piles?
no the birds that cast meteor
shell fern
lol
strange flicker
also archers are nuts
even w 25k ward and DR buff i can get deleted in 0 seconds
if i dont dodge
hollow arrow
i still hate the lithacs
strange flicker
LOL
hollow arrow
that explode with tons of little explosions when you kill them
strange flicker
ukno amoutn of times
i kill 1 off screen
teleport
just to insta die
is crazy
hollow arrow
yeah lmao
strange flicker
legit ddos
hollow arrow
rip me
strange flicker
god forbid u have 3 of them
hollow arrow
i've only had one mono that i absolutely hated
strange flicker
ur pc is gg
hollow arrow
i had the big flower nukers, light mages, those fire casters and lithacs
with THREE soul towers
i cried man
shell fern
i dropped nova from my build because i don't feel much difference for clearspeed, biggest difference was ward generation was better. but the visual clutter is too much
strange flicker
if u go more dmg on nova
u can actually get a rly good amount of dmg added to it
shell fern
for direct dmg i can imagine you really feel the difference but for frostbite not really
hollow arrow
ye either nova on helm or crest i think right
strange flicker
in general i think frostbite u want ice barrage for ice shield
the projectile immunity would be so nice to have
shell fern
in general i think frostbite u want ice barrage for ice shield
not anymore, u would kill your mana
shell fern
thats why even frostbite mostly runs ele nova
strange flicker
but man that projectile immunity
strange flicker
esp since frostbite is abit slower movement u wont get nuked from behind
sturdy summit
dammit i closed my window with all my build tabs
can you go to your "Closed Windows" menu and reopen it? I can do that in firefox.
shell fern
but man that projectile immunity
you can barely feel it tbh, the shield is rather small and if you proc it to wrong direction it doesnt matter lmao
biggest upside of ice barrage was the cast speed buff and global more cold dmg buff. and the very good dps aswell
hollow arrow
all good i already reopened purus build
strange flicker
tbh
hollow arrow
and i can reopen the one im following for marksman lol
sturdy summit
the more damage on frost wall is sick
strange flicker
som busted
its snap freeze on 0 cd and max range
and u get a ton of ward and dmg boost
shell fern
but now you really want on through the snow, ever onward and crack in the ice nodes on frostclaw so manacost will be around 20, and with barrage you would just nuke your mana hard
sturdy summit
it's not as convenient as snap freeze for bosses. Bosses won't run into your frostwall, and you can't drop it on them to freeze them.
strange flicker
well the freeze doesnt work on real bosses
for wall
u use it for self buffs/brand
but for elites and stuff
uknow those maps w a ton of mobs
ez 35k ward walking around spamming frost walls
hollow arrow
alright lets farm ice ghost
sturdy summit
I will go back to frost wall for mapping once things don't die or freeze before reaching it.
strange flicker
yeah i think it just gets better as u get higher
but if everything dying u dont need
LOL
sturdy summit
honestly, I don't feel like I even need any skill in that slot at all, yet
shell fern
static orb+flame rush is so good. very good uptime on lightning aegis
sturdy summit
no me
strange flicker
enigma enjoyers
sturdy summit
tp yo
sturdy summit
I'm using them now
hollow arrow
puru
strange flicker
hows the speed on em
hollow arrow
whats the build for more dmg on nova
im gonna hang around 900-1k corr and just farm for now
shell fern
enigma enjoyers
can't use that on sorc
strange flicker
silk pewterBOT
sturdy summit
The mirror images aren't as good at taunting as the dummy you get from Arboreal Circuit ring. But they're not useless.
hollow arrow
lmao
shell fern
first time i see someone using confluence of fate
sturdy summit
I feel like the mirror images have a very short taunt range, even more importantly than how fast they do it.
strange flicker
insane necklace
shell fern
insane necklace
because of flat?
strange flicker
and the implicit is the best too
hollow arrow
lmao
i got a crest with +4 and int/armor % roll
was gonna use that but man rip my 92% crit
hollow arrow
yeah true
shell fern
and the implicit is the best too
yeah i mean for implicit you can use oracle amulet or orian's eye. but yeah i guess with 3lp that's decent
shell fern
for frostbite bis-amulet is frozen eye of formosus, i used it in beta already and ppl just now start to use it for frostbite. but since i haven't been able to find 2lp twisted and get castspeed and +frostclaw on them i'm currently using omnis for the skillpoint lol
strange flicker
what offhand u use
ik frostbite has some decent choices to choose from
w the unquies/exalt
shell fern
silk pewterBOT
strange flicker
oo
sturdy summit
interesting shield
shell fern
i have vial of volatile ice and freys retreat too but i like the shield the most
shell fern
and since i don't need crit avoidance i rather use the shield
strange flicker
ya i think if u get double ward or sumthin
double the 2x ward
take more block in flame ward
gonna be p tanky
LOL
tbh rn i just use 1 charge of ward
since i have enough cdr
shell fern
i have 3lp frozen ire waiting but haven't found a good exalted yet.
sturdy summit
I tried frey's retreat while I was using frost wall. I was really disappointed that runic's mana refund didn't apply to the Blizzard it would cast, and that really hit my mana super hard. Ironically, it seems like Frey's is best when you don't use frostwall.
strange flicker
ya i think so too
which is unfortunate cause its synergy with the frostwall freeze is insane
cause u will perma freeze mobs and get the dmg increase
hollow arrow
i just want them to add dummies that can record out dps
and tell us how much dps skills are doing and whatnot
sturdy summit
same here, but it sounds like they've got no plans to add any kind of damage meters :(
but who knows what "no plans" means. Maybe it just means not yet.
I think there's a perception amongst devs that damage meters removes gameplay by making it easy to get that information, but I think it just makes the problem of people copying builds off a website worse.
strange flicker
i mean its mostly a single player game, theres legit 0 reason to not have a dmg breakdown
hollow arrow
oh nice 2lp frost
sturdy summit
It could expand the viability of builds simply because we would be able to know that some obscure mechanic is actually dealing a lot of damage
sturdy summit
are those the artillery flowers?
sturdy summit
is there somewhere with a list of all the mob types?
sturdy summit
yeah, those dinos suck.
90% of the time, I don't pay attention to what enemies are called :p
sturdy summit
lol
strange flicker
rn my most hated are the ember mages/the stupid lightning pylon
those are the fastest casters
i have to always target them first
sturdy summit
lightning pylons and artillery flowers
strange flicker
atleast w flower
i can perma dodge
but pylon
casts 2 fast and some will hit u regardless
sturdy summit
true pylons are worse. I hate both just because they're so annoying to go hunting for them.
strange flicker
i had a map earlier w like 10 flowers casting
i just ignored em
and kept teleing
LOL
eventually they stop and start moving towards u
sturdy summit
that's fine as long as you don't need to stop to pick up loot lol
strange flicker
what loot 
sturdy summit
fair
sturdy summit
😭
strange flicker
then u get sniped by a tower
as u hover over the loot
its a 4lp
but ur dead
hollow arrow
kek
sturdy summit
you are hurting me
hollow arrow
greedy
sturdy summit
how dare you make me remember this trauma 🤣
I don't actually know if it was 4lp. Didn't get to look. And that means it definitely was.
strange flicker
LOL
hollow arrow
lets go buy 40 lowest exalted rings
see if we get any other good unique rolls
oh nvm it'll make them bound to MG
forgot
guess i need to run lightlless and do a accessory run
hmmm will need a double throwing ring
oof
damn
3lp peak almost max roll and 5 attributes
3lp foot with +11 attributes
good ass lightless run
sturdy summit
nice
hollow arrow
289% crit roll on peak
pog
oh it's max attribute roll too
sheeeet
i thought it was 6
hollow arrow
yeah can use that for sure
11 attribute is nice as well
ohhhhh
+4 frost claw relic
holy shiiiet
another with +4 volcanic and +2 frost lmao
sturdy summit
your drop rates are always so sick
strange flicker
LOL
sturdy summit
I guess the game is apologizing to you :p
hollow arrow
oh that frost claw relic has open prefix
strange flicker
make sure to creation taht claw
hollow arrow
ez perfect for 2lp
slap in cast spd and creation lmao
or int
holy crap yeah i could 1.5b for both
strange flicker
yea
hollow arrow
higher roll on spell dmg as well at least
lets grab all these rings
see if we get another nice ring
hollow arrow
oh i need to do more lightless runs now
no creations
shiiiit i could save this peak for my rogue now
or sell it
i think a max roll +3 woudl still make bank
i know the boots are big money
might check those out as well
cmon boss man, drop me some good stuff again
hollow arrow
got 40 ascension runes
one creation
lmao
ah well least i can dupe that +4
lets do another exalted run, see if i get something good again
or a unique run this time
3lp drago dagger x3
but low base
the resists and ward on crit are maxed, but 3 not 4% crit
rip
alright looks like i can make some good money tonight
lets ee if anything sells lmao
muted flume
Heyo pals suggestions for key pieces of gear for an aergons fireball crit build? I guess a well rolled exalted sceptre will be bis together with fundamental criterion
strange flicker
prob better to go reowyn staff instead of sceptre
scepts are all p dog
i assume u can go fundi+ stack attunement+ int and stack dodge+ armor for the reowyn
muted flume
i assume u can go fundi+ stack attunement+ int and stack dodge+ armor for the re...
Actually not a bad plan. Stacking dodge/armor/attunement/int as well as crit seems tough though
strange flicker
not rly, shouldnt really be taking the same slots
slate vigil
Hi there folks! What is better for mono pushing (currently at ~600)? 140 crit multi + 80% armor shred OR 70% elemental pen (my main damage dealer is elemental damage)
hardy loom
ok i have to stck some ward first, took one step i died immediately at only 660 corruption
muted flume
Seems like dodge will be the lagger so just getting 1000 dodge I guess gives 100 flat which should be huge
strange flicker
should be able to get alota dodge
but tbh idk how good the greater fireball will be in general
but as far as dodge goes, u can prob get 2.5-3k+ if u stack it too
probably get double red ring early so u can ignore resistance and just stack dodge/armor on all ur suffixes
cedar ocean
Good morning fellow spark charge enjoyers
Can confirm the dodge rating
I was at 3k
Hmmm actually henkz
Since you will need to stack dex for dodge ratimg
Better look at invocations with second rune as Lightning
So you boost it with fundamental criteron also
Plasma orb is usually played, but idk what else is there viable for Gon as second rune
strange flicker
tbh am just not sure invocations have enough damage to complete against claw gang rn
not even taking into account the utility/ward gen
unborn hamlet
I seen some electro spreading plague build, that uses the triple lightning invocation to cast the expanding electro cycle to clear all the mobs in 1 shot, but it was low cor video and the bossing was terrific
With the 2hand plague bearer staff or W/E is the name
strange flicker
alota builds sound good on paper
but the dmg just wont be there prob
LOL
compared to spark charge getting +400 added lightning damage
the more interesting thing is boosting that up rn
like at lower corr can prob drop flame ward from the skill tree and use it but take runebolt for the 21% damage boost
or some other skills
LOL
cedar ocean
Well at 3k dodge, you get +300 flat dmg, which is okay
But the defenses are meh
Sure you dodge 90% of the stuff, after using potion
But anything that touches you is rip
foggy gate
Does someone have a good frostbite RM build?
lyric mango
Does someone have a good frostbite RM build?
lyric mango
Made by BinaQc
shell fern
https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/frostbite-frostclaw-with-teleport---...
no offense to philipov but plenty of things wrong in this one too.
freeze rate multi blessing from lagon>increased cold dmg blessing
cold res blessing from heorot?
chance to frostbite is bis if you get good blessing, otherwise chance to shred cold res or increased armor
not taking bottom left on frostclaw tree is huge mistake especially if he plays with ele nova.
so much ward and way better aoe, and even single target dps is much better
sturdy summit
no offense to philipov but plenty of things wrong in this one too.
nice, this is the feedback I'm looking for
I'm taking notes
safe grail
not taking bottom left on frostclaw tree is huge mistake especially if he plays ...
He’s been playing with this a ton
We were talking about it
shell fern
also, i assume glyph is only specced for cfc invocation, just have blank fire skill on bar for the invo and skill static orb for better access to lightning aegis imo
sturdy summit
yeah, I need to add those to the endgame version of the build. Not for the frontpage version. Can't do those without t6 spellslinger
shell fern
yeah, I need to add those to the endgame version of the build. Not for the front...
yeah t6 spellslinger and the mana efficiency idols for frostclaw are kinda needed and close to 200 mana.
sturdy summit
the frontpage version of the build is given with only things you can get at level 60
shell fern
atleast from my testing around 200 mana you are very safe from never running out of mana even with unlucky streaks of gift of winter
yeah i didnt look at the low lvl stuff, my suggestions only apply to endgame
sturdy summit
I tried static orb for lightning aegis. Didn't seem that good. Lightning aegis falls off any time you take damage, even if you don't lose HP.
shell fern
because pre 200 corruption pretty much anything works if you just have decent amount of freeze rate multi and chance to frostbite on hit
sturdy summit
and I'm constantly getting hit for amounts I can't even see on my ward and losing lightning aegis.
because 25% of hp is like 300-400 damage, which is a drop in the bucket when you have over 10k ward.
shell fern
I tried static orb for lightning aegis. Didn't seem that good. Lightning aegis f...
yeah i dont cast static orb manually at all
sturdy summit
unfortunately, I don't have a way to cast it automatically. Using flame rush isn't on the table.
shell fern
i have quite low cooldown on flame rush so i just use it often and have nearly perma aegis
sturdy summit
right now, I'm trying out speccing teleport and using unspecced cold snap. The node that refreshes haste isn't bad.
shell fern
for flame ward it's good that you have point in the armor node, many ppl undervalue the massive armor you can gain from flame ward
have you tested the traversal version of runic invocation btw? i feel like having teleport unspecced is kind of waste
sturdy summit
I haven't tried enigma. Adding 5 to the already 12 second cooldown sounds bad.
I have CDR of course, but not int-stacking levels of CDR
shell fern
with ele nova u can proc 3x ele nova with teleport, have armor, resistances, ward retention etc up permanently too bad it doesnt gain a tag from ele nova.
would help alot with rune generation
sturdy summit
If teleport could get a fire tag, it would change everything.
I would be able to play lightning and use frostguard :p
shell fern
I haven't tried enigma. Adding 5 to the already 12 second cooldown sounds bad.
yeah i guess with enigma you would have to play without the author of arcana node
shell fern
yeah
sturdy summit
yeah, I really like immutable order :p
shell fern
i know most rms use it
sturdy summit
it's not just that it removes needing to manage runes. The mana refund is big.
shell fern
i assume warmages initiative is very short leap?
full bluff
Am I the only one using the +freeze buff from teleport with frostbite build?
sturdy summit
i assume warmages initiative is very short leap?
it's a short leap, but it can warp you through obstacles like Sanctum doors the same way that flame rush does.
shell fern
but yeah, biggest changes i would do to your endgame setup would be frost claw and blessings, and adding twisted heart. otherwise imo it looks solid
we kinda need more movement skills for mage imo
sturdy summit
I've taken too long to add the chaining nodes to FC for the endgame build, they should definitely be there. And yeah, blessings and TH too
Getting the FC chain felt like my damage increased 4x
shell fern
Getting the FC chain felt like my damage increased 4x
well it atleast doubles your single target because instead 1x projectiles hitting the initial target now 2x projectiles hit it
wait, 3x
sturdy summit
mmm, 3x sounds right. It was a lot.
There's also a few things in the equipment section I need to fix
shell fern
i think binas itemization is on point apart from the freeze rate per stack of chill affix on armor and helmet. i'd rather get cold pen for frostbite, cc is good already and those affixes dont help dmg at all.
sturdy summit
really, you prefer the pen to more frostbite chance?
foggy gate
https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/frostbite-frostclaw-with-teleport---...
Whats wrong with the maxroll one? With that gear it does look OP
shell fern
really, you prefer the pen to more frostbite chance?
no ofc frostbite chance is nr1
but the secondary affix on binas build is freeze rate per stack of chill
sturdy summit
oh yeah, I also prefer flat frostbite pen to freeze rate per chill.
shell fern
i would swap that out for cold pen, or even to cold damage over time
shell fern
oh yeah, I also prefer flat frostbite pen to freeze rate per chill.
well thats the thing, freeze rate per chill doesnt get converted to cold pen with snowdrifts.
shell fern
int is solid middle ground in regards to defense and dmg
vitality would be pure defensive choice
full bluff
I cant decide on if I want to use frozen ire or not
sturdy summit
I've been wondering what would happen if I replaced all my increased edot affixes with int. edot is more damage, but int has so much going for it outside of just increased damage.
shell fern
I cant decide on if I want to use frozen ire or not
without 2lp i would not use ire
full bluff
without 2lp i would not use ire
I can get the gear I want, just have to choose 🙂
I really like the speed of wrong warp
I am so slow with fronze ire
sturdy summit
I use ire with 1lp. I got the t6 spellslinger slam on it.
full bluff
and ladle has speed
shell fern
oh yea i don't use tp so i don't benefit from wrongwarp
full bluff
cast speed
shell fern
best part of ire is the proc
full bluff
yeah thats what I am thinking about
shell fern
it procs ALOT with frostclaw
sturdy summit
especially when fightning formosus :p
or dragon
and those are like the two most important bosses to farm
sturdy summit
formosus and dragon are so easy even if you don't freeze them
full bluff
I guess the boss system won't allow perma freeze
tulip veldt
thought you already couldn't permafreeze after a few
safe grail
Whats wrong with the maxroll one? With that gear it does look OP
Maxroll has issues with not updating the guides consistently enough.
And they aren’t always proven to push far or high
tulip veldt
tbf I think that build is like the one exception
but generally maxroll has been pretty sad yeah
sturdy summit
Whats wrong with the maxroll one? With that gear it does look OP
my problem with the maxroll guide is that it doesn't explain itself well enough for new players, and the low level stuff is kind of out of order and confusing.
I took the questions that people kept coming in here to ask, and put them in the guide
full bluff
The authors said they were aiming for build guides that does not require a lot of gear or effort to make
sturdy summit
yet the build shows +4 frostclaw
full bluff
yes, bit confusing, since most of the maxroll guides I read for mage, requires a lot weird gear options or hard to get stuff
Like 2hand sword with frostbite...
shred I mean
or recommending low life for ward gen, when ward is almost no investment from skills
going to make a legendary frosen ire, t7 -mana cost, freeze rate or cast speed?
2lp
sturdy summit
probably cast speed, right?
shell fern
t7 mana cost and castspeed t5 imo
sturdy summit
it's tempting, but that cooldown
tulip veldt
you'll have so much freeze rate/pen elsewhere though
full bluff
I have 3500 freeze rate now
sturdy summit
since freeze multi is a suffix on weapons, I'd try to get a donor with both t5 cast speed and t5 FRM, and at least you can get one of them if it doesn't hit perfectly
full bluff
going for t7 mana cost and t5 cast speed
tulip veldt
huh either my brain is too sleep deprived to math or I pretty massively overestimated snowdrift lol
I think its the former
3500 freeze rate should be 700% pen right or am I dumb?
sturdy summit
yeah, 1/5th
tulip veldt
yeah idk why but for some reason I thought it was a tenth of that for a minute lol
I should sleep
sturdy summit
it's because they give it as "2% per 10"
tulip veldt
snowdrift is actually so silly lol
yeah my brain just couldn't comprehend that rn lol
minor wasp
Is freeze rate even worth stacking? At higher mono's when enemies have loads of health the freeze chance is going to be <1%
tulip veldt
you stack it mostly for the pen from snowdrift but I'm sure you still freeze things fairly easily
sturdy summit
Is freeze rate even worth stacking? At higher mono's when enemies have loads of ...
frostbite builds use snowdrift, which convert FRM into more damage. You stack it as a primary stat, and can keep freeze relevent much longer than other builds. The downside is you don't stack int.
tulip veldt
maybe not tho idk, I swapped to spark charges
minor wasp
frostbite builds use snowdrift, which convert FRM into more damage. You stack it...
Is that a spellblade build?
tulip veldt
actually quite liked the frostbite version but spark charge seems to have alot easier access to higher ward, at least on bosses
shell fern
runemaster
to be fair all of mages masteries can play frostbite and the gearing is quite similar on all of them
sturdy summit
to be fair all of mages masteries can play frostbite and the gearing is quite si...
true. I meant just the build we're discussing right now. I don't know anything about how spellblades do it with shatterstrike
sturdy summit
in an optimized build, bosses are perma frozen
in an optimized build, just don't get hit 4head 😄
tulip veldt
from what I heard, there's no such thing as perma freezing after having frozen a boss x many times
idk the exact details
shell fern
best part of frm is that it's a hybrid affix on other pieces of gear apart from weapon/offhand. so u gain both ward retention and dmg from it
full bluff
9 seconds to kill julra with frostbite, bricked the frozen ire 🙂
sturdy summit
best part of frm is that it's a hybrid affix on other pieces of gear apart from ...
it kind of gives you everything you want from int, except for CDR
full bluff
from what I heard, there's no such thing as perma freezing after having frozen a...
it works fine 🙂
sturdy summit
rip
shell fern
only boss that's hard to perma freeze/stun is orobyss
sturdy summit
I heard that heorot is immune to freeze, but I can't confirm that.
tulip veldt
that he is
shell fern
oh right, forgot lagon and heorot
full bluff
I usually mess up the first freeze on shade
shell fern
but on those the dmg is avoidable easily
full bluff
and he gets off flying around
minor wasp
runemaster
Ok so on spellblade it's not worth stacking freeze multi? I'll focus on DPS
tulip veldt
I'd been more than happy to find out I'm misinformed, but regardless orobyss is kinda the only one that really matters, the other bosses you can just retry without repercussions
sturdy summit
Ok so on spellblade it's not worth stacking freeze multi? I'll focus on DPS
Spellblade also does frostbite with FRM. I just don't know anything about the details.
tulip veldt
yeah the freeze rate stacking has to do with the unique snowdrift boots, not the class
sturdy summit
freeze rate is dps
shell fern
I'd been more than happy to find out I'm misinformed, but regardless orobyss is ...
yeah, you only lose abit of stability when you die on monobosses
sturdy summit
I think they removed that. I think you don't lose any anymore
tulip veldt
yeah, you only lose abit of stability when you die on monobosses
I thought I'd noticed that but I wrote it off as me being insane lmao
don't usually die much on bosses unless I'm doing some scuffed build on an alt
sturdy summit
I recall mike confirming they removed any stability loss from bosses with 1.0
full bluff
You loose a small amount of stability if you die or not finish the boss, I use it to re-do bosses
sometimes I need to rebuild stabiilty
sturdy summit
I think it's time for science
full bluff
if you don't take the blessing from of them, you can redo them
only works with npc blessings
not the instant popup
sturdy summit
yeah, I've noticed that. I use it to redo prophecies sometimes.
full bluff
after a while doing that, stability drops below the threshold
shell fern
I recall mike confirming they removed any stability loss from bosses with 1.0
oh? yeah i guess last time i died on a boss was back in beta lol
sturdy summit
there are some situations where you lose stability, like on normals if you do 2 quest echoes and leave the zone, you will lose stability. But I think not for dying.
you don't just lose stability, you will have to redo the quest echo
tulip veldt
there are some situations where you lose stability, like on normals if you do 2 ...
thank you for confirming this, I had this happen once lmao
sturdy summit
it's an annoying bug, but thankfully only affects normals. But maybe some version of that is what's happening if you leave a boss after killing it without completing the quest.
full bluff
you don't loose stability every time, just some of the time
really weird
sometimes I can farm 30x void horrors in row, no loss
then suddenly I am below after 1kill next time
foggy gate
Man I would really try frostbite, I have most of the gear I just can't get snowdrift to drop with lp. Did soo many prophecies, dropped a lot of boots with lp2 and 3 but not snowdrift. Checked like 3 times the rarity, but it says common. Guess just unlucky
tulip veldt
that's surprising, I feel like I rarely see them without lp
but afaik only found one with 2 lp
foggy gate
soo tired already of stormtide, lessons of the metropolis, eterra's path..but snowdrift does not want to drop 😄
Had one with 1 LP but got the worst slam out of 4
sturdy summit
well, if you're doing frostbite, snowdrift are worth using even with 0 lp.
they're just that important
tulip veldt
true
sturdy summit
but it really hurts to use them without a move speed slam :p
foggy gate
I just have a pretty good spark charge build, so would only swap to try frostbite if I get good gear. But yeah as you said a snowdrift with move speed slam, is all I need 😄
frozen sleet
Is there a passive node or skill node that reduces damage from shocked enemies?
strange flicker
passive in rm
sturdy summit
Is there a passive node or skill node that reduces damage from shocked enemies?
first tier of runemaster, middle node
frozen sleet
Awesome, thank you
digital musk
there are some situations where you lose stability, like on normals if you do 2 ...
You lose stability even leaving a quest echo in empowered
I use the 1st quest of the last ruin for ez void horror prophecies and everytime I port out I have to do another mono
digital musk
sometimes I can farm 30x void horrors in row, no loss
Ah just saw this lol. I lose it every single time ya
sturdy summit
I use the 1st quest of the last ruin for ez void horror prophecies and everytime...
oh yeah. I meant just that you typically don't do the quest echoes in empowered.
except the boss
oh, I bet what's happening when you (only sometimes) lose stability after porting out of boss, is you're leaving the zone
digital musk
I domt even have stability for the boss tbh. Just enough for 1st quest
sturdy summit
I bet if you kill the boss, leave without completing the quest, and leave the monolith, it will dock your stability
sturdy summit
hmm
nimble shoal
It might be a bug, since dying no longer makes you lose stability
sturdy summit
it's definitely a bug
digital musk
Not a huge deal but reading this convo made me remember that I did find it weird at the time
bronze plank
anyone know of a good "leveling mage as an alt when you have access to slam stuff and buy MG gear" guide? trying to figure out some good uniques I can just slam some crap on and skills that may not be part of a standard leveling guide and work well for just mindlessly grinding through the tedium of doing unlocks and stuff again
sturdy summit
best helmet for frostclaw frosbtie
I'm just using an exalted runed visage right now, but I think a 3LP or higher Snowblind would be pretty damn good.
sturdy summit
anyone know of a good "leveling mage as an alt when you have access to slam stuf...
I have a section in my frostbite guide that has ideas for alts to do just that.
tulip veldt
you can level with ignite frostclaw 👀
calamity and firestarter come online almost instantly
median hamlet
I'm just using an exalted runed visage right now, but I think a 3LP or higher Sn...
i messed up and accidentally destoryed my helmet
and um well I dont have any viable replacements rn
sturdy summit
oof. Well, if you have a snowblind, you could throw that on
median hamlet
I do have a snowblind, but then my resistances and crit chance may take a hit
but I am assuming with enough ward resistances are not that important
sturdy summit
crit chance isn't important for frostbite. Dots can't crit.
median hamlet
Yeah, how do frostbite stacks work?
I get 300 stacks and it seems like 10 stacks are consumed per second
game guide doesn't explain the full mechanics behind Dots maybe I have not checked
sturdy summit
https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/frostbite Frostbite has a duration of 3 seconds
You make a good point, I should add a section actually explaining frostbite :p
the stacks aren't consumed, but they're expiring
dense dome
for arcane current in the mage tree, does arcane lightning go off its tree? like does it take those bonuses or is it the base attack
median hamlet
You make a good point, I should add a section actually explaining frostbite :p
much appreciated
Its weird because cold has three aliments and types it seems, freeze,chill and frostbite
median hamlet
wow void has two types of DOTS
safe grail
Frostbite +ignite when?
W8 is that how to make dots more powerful and scale?
Is to just get more dots and apply more dots?
barren pawn
Is to just get more dots and apply more dots?
combined with scaling yeh
you shouldve known this tho
10 stacks of ignite with enough int and modifiers ticks away for like 80k
safe grail
I think the reason i didn’t consider it
Is because
The way our passives lay out
You get ignite from fire skills
barren pawn
and plenty of builds can insta proc 7 stacks
safe grail
Or chill/frostbite from cold skills
You can’t get like
Ignite on hit w/ cold
Oh w8
Yeah i meant as in like
Multiple types of dots
Not stacking one type
barren pawn
can stack frost / ignite together pretty easily
safe grail
But also the conversion nodes make that more obnoxious to do
It depends
If the conversion nodes (if any) convert them on the skill
But ye
Frostburn inc?
barren pawn
Frostburn inc?
havent played wow in so long, what was mages super early on flame / frost spell
barren pawn
yeh that
safe grail
Actually looks fun
barren pawn
not touching wow or blizz with even son gokues power pole
safe grail
They also get a new passive thru the new hero trees that when they cast meteor it casts a comet storm
It’s p neat
barren pawn
Neat.
safe grail
Well something for me to mess with later
sturdy summit
I think the reason i didn’t consider it
I think dots still want to get better-than-linear scaling by finding multiple stats you can scale at the same time, which multiply together. You'll only get a linear buff to damage from adding ignite, it won't synergize with the frostbite.
safe grail
Hmmm. True
full bluff
I tried a round of glacier frostbite on runemaster, it is 1/4 of the damage of FC frostbite, so not bad
tulip veldt
I think dots still want to get better-than-linear scaling by finding multiple st...
honestly the case for pretty much every build in the game in my experience
sturdy summit
honestly the case for pretty much every build in the game in my experience
yep, that's the fundamental principle for creating a build. Crit does that for hits, snowdrift for frostbite.
tulip veldt
yeah
safe grail
I mean it it having linear scaling is fine a supplemental damage type
If already stacking ele dot and maybe ele dmg
sturdy summit
yeah, it's fine to get it because it won't compete with other stats in most cases
safe grail
It will make the frostbite a tad weaker but bringing an entire other dmg type online would be kind of neat
Yeah
Like application of the same amount of frostbite stacks and then adding on a number of ignite stacks would be a very cool interaction
sturdy summit
taking ignite would be instead of like... chance to slow
sturdy summit
on offhand
hollow arrow
lets see if we made monies
sturdy summit
I've made those changes to the guide. The stuff about blessings, endgame fc routing, and some of the item selections
unborn hamlet
cold DMG flat, cast speed t7, freezerate ideally t7too, chance to chill best stats for off-hand frostbite
I even have a cheeky t1 crit sealed
manic oasis
has anyone here tested channeling lightning blast? im theorycrafting a build but it seems like channled LB is not affected by cast speed at all but a fixed hit rate per second
frozen sleet
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEX0apXQ
Not really planning on pushing much further than 300corr as there's no point but should I prioritize int stacking on more gear?
silk pewterBOT
frozen sleet
Gotcha, thanks
full bluff
After leveling a new character I am only using 1 recast of frostclaw, don't really need the 2 back and 3rd
rare snow
Legendary Frozen Ire with Stun Chance ❤️ -_-
latent tide
trying to push 2h shatter strike as far as i can but staying alive in 400c is a bit tough. i get up to about 10-11k ward but when fighting large packs i'm struggling to stay above 4k. takes 2-4 hits to kill mobs. if i swap out the idols i lose a lot of damage and if i change the amulet i lose a lot of survivability from potions, which keeps me alive most of the time. i feel like i need more attack speed for ward generation but that comes at the cost of a load of damage ._. can anyone recommend some changes to push 500c?
silk pewterBOT
errant plank
@sturdy summit Hi there, so i have snowdrift and fb shackles. Other than that not much i saw but i may miss some stuff in my stash
i have some idols with mana efficiency
barren pawn
<@130553802142121985> Hi there, so i have snowdrift and fb shackles. Other than ...
swapping off dis?
sturdy summit
that moment after teleporting into the center of a group of enemies, right after you realize all of them are Lithacs...
barren pawn
😞
errant plank
swapping off dis?
may give it a try yeah, dont know how to progress further with dis.
and wanna taste something else 🙂
sturdy summit
Since Kyo's taken it up to 800, it's certainly possible
errant plank
i feel like i can play 2 differents builds quite easily, will keep dis. for sure, may come back to it sooner or later
My current build is this one: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO8E99Wo
silk pewterBOT
errant plank
actually i feel like i could chase for items for 2/3 different builds
but before being able to filter items properly i need to feel te builds i may end up with 🙂
barren pawn
Since Kyo's taken it up to 800, it's certainly possible
Esp considering that was with enemies scaled for 2 people 😂
barren pawn
ah so ex carried got it
not even, ex doesnt even go that high
No this was me borrowin a buddies corr for build tests
since i literally cannot be assed to push it myself
( we really need to be able to just select our corr level as we see fit from 0 all the way to whatever our highest completed is, including what we do in co op )
would be such a massive QoL improvement
sturdy summit
I'm almost to 600. I've barely upgraded my gear since 300, I'm just riding off the power I got from taking chaining FC nodes.
only difficulties I face are skill issues :p
barren pawn
I'm almost to 600. I've barely upgraded my gear since 300, I'm just riding off t...
my original yellow gear dis variant was capable of 200
exalts pushed it to 350
better uniques 500
slammed uniques up to 650
little glacier
Does the runic energy specialisation do anything for you if use rowyn's frostguard invocation?
barren pawn
and then current variant with ll 800
sturdy summit
I just got 2lp shackles. Haven't even upgraded to 1lp yet. I'm looking forward to bricking the good one :)
barren pawn
before i geared it righ ttho, it couldnt even do base monos
like emp of corpses would murder me, but i coulda beat her if ireally wanted to, had the damage just not the defense / cooldowns for movement
hollow arrow
wonder if i can get anything from lightless today
barren pawn
soon as i got them proper stats on yellow gear i facerolled her
then i got my exalts
sturdy summit
as long as I don't do something dumb like running face first into exploding dinos, mapping is really easy because everything gets frozen.
barren pawn
you can ask ex. my power skyrocketed thanks to the MG and its the reason i will always be an mg main
REally the fact ive managed to push dis to the point ive pushed it is an accomplishment
hollow arrow
600 for relic, 400 for the helm
sturdy summit
million?
hollow arrow
ye
bronze plank
I have a section in my frostbite guide that has ideas for alts to do just that.
sorry I had to go comatose for a bit earlier - how do I find your guide? 😄
hollow arrow
hopefully the other relic sells, would be nice
silk pewterBOT
hollow arrow
gonna try some ascensions and see if i get anything again
bronze plank
dude burning more than a few of those at once is so tedious
bronze plank
I wish they'd remember the last rune or w/e you used so it just stayed in the thing
sturdy summit
it manages to do that for shattering runes, but for whatever reason, it doesn't work for ascension.
hollow arrow
no lp3 this time for me lmao
bronze plank
it manages to do that for shattering runes, but for whatever reason, it doesn't ...
I think they did it to "protect" your high end rune or something but tbh I just wish the behavior was consistent, and ideally someone with a clue what they were doing with UX would have just added a tickbox "[_]Remember last selections"
barren pawn
Way too much for a +3 unless they skyrocketed again
sturdy summit
I think they did it to "protect" your high end rune or something but tbh I just...
agreed. probably a good idea to leave that as feedback or a suggestion.
errant plank
So @sturdy summit do you think i can try your build ?
half canopy
What build with filter do you guys recomend for runemaster?
errant plank
for corrupt 100-200 so i can feel it ?
sturdy summit
So <@130553802142121985> do you think i can try your build ?
well, yeah, there's nothing stopping you
errant plank
ok ill do it and share my build once im done with it for advices
sturdy summit
sounds good
I wrote a guide, but I don't claim ownership over the build. Lots of people doing frostbite that I've learned from.
vernal finch
new things i learn today
3 exact boots from lightless arbor duplicate same stats, t6 movespeed
1st shoes i tried directly sell it for 200k, no one buys after 6 hours
2nd shoes i managed to get all tier 5 meta build, sold out in 10 min for 4 milion
3rd shoes was failed, 1 affix only tier 3, but sold also for like 2 million
hehe
sturdy summit
people scared of crafting it themselves; would rather buy a brick :p
or, it doesn't sound like a brick.
but probably people are looking for items that have been worked already so they don't have to risk bricking it.
especially if you're buying it for slamming and don't care about every affix
vernal finch
yeah but kinda suprise me the value goes up so high 200 to 4m, 20x more haha, i was just trying about 4m, dont expect someone buys it lol
hollow arrow
yeah they dont wanna brick it, i've done it to alot of cheap ones with the one roll i needed
only to lose that roll if i did removal
realized that if i dont like lightning marksman in long run
can sell that slammed jelkors i got
ez monies
opal mountain
What corruption do you start seeing Omnis more often? I'm at 650 and only seen it twice 😦
bronze plank
yay my baby mage's l3p firestarter got both prefixes
anyone else loathe running temporal though? even cheesing the gates it's just so tedious
errant plank
This is what i ended up with so far @sturdy summit :https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWOK9wDQ
silk pewterBOT
unborn hamlet
preach the frostbite
sturdy summit
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Ladle's More damage doesn't apply to ailments, only to spells, so you'll probably be better off with an exalted wand if you have anything close.
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You can move the points in Inscribed Instruments somewhere else until you have a sceptre with t6 spellslinger on it. It's not helpful with a wand, because that gives crit multi.
unborn hamlet
convert more people, grow the cult
throw that laddle outta window get an ice sceptre with spellslinger
🙏
he has better rolled gloves than me 😳
sturdy summit
the substitute for 72% ward retention from Inscribed Instruments is 50% ward retention from Warden in the basic mage tree.
sturdy summit
opulent?
unborn hamlet
off-hand
sturdy summit
oh yeah
unborn hamlet
Opulent Focus
sturdy summit
well, the 6 points in Inscribed Instruments are doing nothing either way.
they're only for sceptre
sturdy summit
surely you have a sceptre
unborn hamlet
i do have frozen ire yes
sturdy summit
then 72% ward retention is great
unborn hamlet
but u know, i also have 600% ward retention
sturdy summit
what would you put it into that's better?
unborn hamlet
well first of all i would have to try how the retention feels without the 72%
granted i can just stack more cold res to cover it as well
sturdy summit
but that's a trade that might not be worth it.
it might be better to remove some cold resist and replace it with something else
unborn hamlet
i could get 6 more points into cryomancer in sorc tree
unborn hamlet
silk pewterBOT
sturdy summit
ty
ah right, you're taking the int from calculated destruction instead of cryomancer
unborn hamlet
well yes thats what allows me to crit as much as i do
unborn hamlet
could also consider getting 6 points into mana shell
sturdy summit
there are a number of items that are not great, but I assume that's just because that's all you have
just in case: the spell damage on the offhand doesn't affect frostbite
errant plank
i think this assumption may not be correct because i went pretty fast to select something that looked ok to me, but i may have better 🙂
sturdy summit
the flame ward charge is something I like sealed t1, because it's very cost effective. I'm using it now, but I alter how I spec flame ward when I take it.
but I wouldn't take it over some real prefixes
so yeah, try to replace all those pieces with spell damage on them asap
it's not useless, but it's inefficient
and try to get a chest that has 2 good prefixes on it.
and I suggest target farming Reign of Dragons until you get a Twisted Heart relic
errant plank
i ended up with this: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5gkrOzA
silk pewterBOT
errant plank
are the "erased" unique a bait? I feel like it is for levelling but weaver's thing could end up with great things?
how can i have a good idea of my damage output etc?
safe grail
They can be bis if they roll correctly
errant plank
ok, i feel like i lost a lot of damage with the new version, and lack of resistances but may have better sustaining thanks to ward
safe grail
Ward is affected by damage reduction (resistances)
safe grail
yoooo
steep kestrel
hello, guys im at level 10 and i have 10 unspend passive pointe but i can't use them idk why .. if anyone can help me with it 😦
safe grail
go into the mage tree and spend them lol
safe grail
into the mage tree?
steep kestrel
yup
safe grail
are you trying to like allocate points into nodes that you dont have unlocked?
steep kestrel
no in the first node
safe grail
can you upload a screenshot?