🧙┃mage

[strange flicker]

ya i mean the cd is rly brutal

cause ur also using the wall for the perma damage buff

which am sure wont be full uptime cause of that cd

[sturdy summit]

I wish there was input buffering for spells. It feels like there isn't any.

and it makes it really difficult to cast something in between spam without losing cast time

[strange flicker]

yeah

[twilit stag]

Question puru, what spell are you branding enemies with

[strange flicker]

frost wall

[twilit stag]

Agree

[strange flicker]

the flame version

so i use the lightning bolt and turn it to cold via our passive tree

on the mage tree

[twilit stag]

Is that enough to reliably keep brands up and make the passive points worth it?

[strange flicker]

so i just bolt>wall>bolt for shield

its perma brand

basically

u get a slightly more annoying way to brand

but gain 16% more dmg

vs all elites

and bosses

and that 16% more dmg not increased

which is p massive

[twilit stag]

I just hate having it be fire, because I want to proc it with ice glyphs from spell cascade

But 16% is pretty enticing

[strange flicker]

yeah the brand thing is more if u want to super optimize

the wall range is rly nice also and since ur spamming it anyways for the ward

u naturally end up branding all the elites

also since its ur cc+ buffs ur frost claws when they get frozen

[sturdy summit]

how does it freeze if it's fire?

[strange flicker]

it doesnt lose the freeze effect

doesnt convert it

[sturdy summit]

😕

[strange flicker]

thankfully

[sturdy summit]

that's so weird. it converts the frostbite and chill, but not the freeze rate? random design

[strange flicker]

its not a freeze rate freeze

its like snap freeze in a way

it has rly high freeze rate

and it always works basically

it just doesnt work on bosses

so think of it as an on demand cc basically

[sturdy summit]

oh yeah, I see

I'm just annoyed because I'm actually cold damage, so I want it to keep the frostbite and chill. I only want it fire for the rune :p

[strange flicker]

ya i mean u can keep it cold and like swap the skill tree around to get longer freeze etc if u want

[sturdy summit]

do you think those points are worth it?

[strange flicker]

depends on ur frenzy uptime with the wall tbh and if u have other sources or not

personally i dont run em cause i want the runic invocation stuff

[sturdy summit]

I have almost 2k FRM, they're probably not worth it. They should change rimefrost to be like 10% more freeze rate multiplier instead.

instead of 60% increased

[barren pawn]

FIE IVE BEEN DISCOVERED

nha man my powers out and my phones sending me notis

[strange flicker]

@sturdy summit btw for ur frostbite build

u shud get the frost wall catalyst

for bossing

p cheap

[sturdy summit]

I'm CoF, but I have a few

not slammed yet

[strange flicker]

the more dmg is rly strong

[safe grail]

can't summon someone who uninstalled

[sturdy summit]

i'm on the fence about using them, but I want to try them

[safe grail]

:kekl:

[strange flicker]

prob melts bosses

its rly good purely for shade/gazes

[sturdy summit]

yeah, the more damage looks really strong. The backjump on wall sounds like it could be either great, or annoying

[strange flicker]

otherwise can run the volatile ice vial

for non bosses

rly strong seems like

[sturdy summit]

I have a 3lp vial

[strange flicker]

yee

[sturdy summit]

waiting for a good donor

[strange flicker]

unlucky

do u run barrage?

[sturdy summit]

fc, nova, invoke, tp, and 2 flex skills. I'm experimenting with different flex skills. Right now, I'm doing flame ward and frost wall.

[strange flicker]

thinkin abt it u can probably just go for the more cold dmg on the barrage node/cast speed increase on freezing and all that stuff

also the 30% more cold global dmg

is nuts on barrage

[safe grail]

i had this thought earlier lol

[strange flicker]

its 60%

[safe grail]

thanks for validating it lmao

[sturdy summit]

hmm, I might try barrage next, then

[strange flicker]

actually

ya

and the shield is not bad

vs annoying ranged projectiles

but i think u may need p solid mana

[safe grail]

build lacks armor

so that works out

[sturdy summit]

it's on my list of things to try, just haven't gotten to it yet

[strange flicker]

also this way ur freezing stuff much faster

[safe grail]

ill try out barrage

was feeling kinda meh about nova atm

yo puru how would you path barrage?

assuming only +1

[barren pawn]

[strange flicker]

all the way bottom left

and abit of the bottom

[barren pawn]

itll stay uninstalled unless they fix their screwup in a favorable manner

[sturdy summit]

if they fix their screwup by rolling back, they will go from having half the playerbase furious, to everyone being angry at once

[barren pawn]

kay, plenty of other mmos / games thatve made this bad a screwy wewy have done rollbacks before, with a much larger playerbase

you do it, deal with the fallout for a week, then move on

[sturdy summit]

it can work if they did it immediately, but waiting the entire weekend, and then who knows how long it will take them to do it. You're saying roll back an entire week?

[strange flicker]

na i doubt they doing any rollbacks

2 late

[sturdy summit]

yeah, if they wanted to rollback, they needed to do it yesterday

[barren pawn]

<@&1161418687471956101>

oop

already gone

[twilit stag]

It's what's stopping me from regularly using it. Annoys the cheap out of me and then can't be triggered by spell cascade because of movement

[warped crow]

honestly rollback doesnt matter all that much ... cuz everything resets in like 1 or 2 months anyway

[strange flicker]

for that catalyst

u dont actually spec wall

[warped crow]

cuz cycle transfer

[strange flicker]

ur only using it for the dot dmg boost

and all the stats

strictly for bosses imo

[wet yew]

im pretty quick 😉

[strange flicker]

since bosses will be perma frozen so u just want max dmg

[sturdy summit]

oh, fair. but I'm speccing wall anyway. And I'm used to using the backflip node on Smoke Bomb to move forward by aiming backwards.

but then I won't pass through the wall

maybe that's fine

time to give it a try

[twilit stag]

What needed rollback, I've been travelling and am ootl

[sturdy summit]

gold duping glitch leaked for the weekend. prices went infinite, and you can't buy anything anymore

because anything you want to buy costs more than the gold cap

they hotfixed the glitch, but the market is still ruined

or at least, I assume it still is.

I haven't checked since last night

all that money is still in the game

what they should do isn't rollback, but set everyone's gold to 0

[warped crow]

what about CoF ... and MG people who didnt abuse it ... that money is circulating the entire MG eco rn

[sturdy summit]

they could make an exception for stashes that have no MG characters in them. Don't wipe those. You can make a sql query to do that. If you're MG, you're tainted. All your gold to 0.

even if you didn't exploit the glitch, your sales were in an economy with all that inflation

[warped crow]

again waaaay more innocent people would get hurt

[sturdy summit]

more than if you rollback the last week of gameplay?

nah

all gold to 0 is less bad

[warped crow]

just put a tempoary like 20% gold tax on mg xD

that should drain everything down in like a week

then remove it by next cycle

[barren pawn]

20% tax of infinite is still nothing

[warped crow]

its not infinite anymore ... the bug is fixed

the exploit

[sturdy summit]

the tax will only work if there's churn, but the market is broken right now

[barren pawn]

and the only peopel capable of paying the markets current prices are the ones with gold cap...

so it wouldn't fix fekk all

[warped crow]

lol

[sturdy summit]

I think it has to be all gold to 0. Anyone with a character in MG gets wiped out.

that will reset the system

you can't be clever here

[warped crow]

this never would have happened of mg and cof were their own cycle settings

lol

could still unlock it ingame but once you do it becomes something you do at char select

and nothing gets shared

mg has its own stash/purse and if you transfer over you lose cof stash/purse and get mg stash/purse

[barren pawn]

losing all your gear if you swap factions is a stupid mechanic

[warped crow]

then dont allow transfer at all

solves that problem right away

[barren pawn]

It doesnt.

[safe grail]

yeah the solve for that is that faction becomes acct locked for that cycle

ez

[warped crow]

no you just make it char locked like you would do if you chose hardcore

[unborn hamlet]

delete MG

[barren pawn]

You completely underestimate the lengths RMT will go to in order to exploit. Theyll buy more game copies in a heartbet.

[unborn hamlet]

problem solved

[barren pawn]

nice bait

[unborn hamlet]

bait? im being dead serious

CoF on top

[sturdy summit]

burn the merchants!

[unborn hamlet]

L MG users

[safe grail]

alts are already ridiculously annoying to get up. no need to make them further annoying

[warped crow]

that way you can have mg chars and you can have CoF chars ... but they never cross contaminate

[barren pawn]

thank you.

[safe grail]

just make faction acct locked that cycle and that's it

OR you do away w/ gold as the trading medium and adopt the same medium as PoE

[warped crow]

its better to have the annoying option than to have it be dead stuck in one or the other

[safe grail]

because at least the sink there is the fact that crafting mats are the currency

[sturdy summit]

making it work like ssf or hardcore makes sense to me. The promise of being able to switch factions is a lemon

[warped crow]

ye oof

[barren pawn]

to hell with solo self found bs.

[neon lynx]

Just delete trade ☝️

[warped crow]

like i wouldnt swap ... but i know people that would

[barren pawn]

Im not trying to spend thousands of hours grinding for the same gear i have on

If i wanted that level of chase and challenge, id play HC

[warped crow]

so having the annoying option of swapping at the cost of needing to start from scratch in the new faction is good

each faction retains its own progress

[sturdy summit]

it's not like we really have an option of switching factions right now.

[barren pawn]

^

you lose all your gear if you swap

[warped crow]

so just make that official

[barren pawn]

cant use it

[warped crow]

lol

[safe grail]

the primary problem here is

[barren pawn]

then you start over from scratch with a level 100 char that has zero gear

[safe grail]

MG players will look at gear that drops and if it is not sellable, not pick it up

[sturdy summit]

right, so making that explicit, rather than just how things shakes out, is more honest.

[safe grail]

unless you're someone like myself that still picks up jenk gear to anticipate stupidity suc h as this

[barren pawn]

Its a stupid design choice.

[warped crow]

nah mg does exactly what cof does ... they pick it up and shatter/removal it

[safe grail]

nah

[barren pawn]

no we dont

[safe grail]

when the Filter came out

[sturdy summit]

Would your solution be to delete CoF?

[safe grail]

they dont bother to check sht anymore

if they need to shatter/removal, they just buy bases

[barren pawn]

my solution would be converting any tagged gear.

[warped crow]

delete trade (mg) ... this game at its core was never meant for trade ngl
if we go by your logic at least

[safe grail]

any ARPG is able to do trade, no one wants to admit that Diablo 2/PoE has the perfect system for it

[sturdy summit]

if you can use MG gear in CoF and vice versa, you can't have CoF. All the bonuses from CoF have to go away. They only exist to compensate for not having MG.

[safe grail]

cause again, the sink for those systems is docked in the "crafting"

[barren pawn]

if they go the route of no rollback, and they decide to just leave it as is, then offer MG players a one time swap / gear conversion.

[warped crow]

if you convert the tag gear then there is no reason to have tagged gear

[barren pawn]

the reason is to offer us MG players screwed over by this an out???

hello???

[sturdy summit]

what do you think about wiping all gold?

[warped crow]

fine

[sturdy summit]

a one time swap with conversion sounds fair. I thought you meant forever

[warped crow]

just dont make swapping gear to cof tag a consistent thing

cuz then theres no point in tagging them

but if its just for this cycle go for it

[safe grail]

yeah nah 1 time swap to COF and swapping all MG tagged gear would solve this for cycle 1 to a degree

[barren pawn]

i didnt say they should????

[barren pawn]

Which was my thoughts

[sturdy summit]

yeah, I think that's fair

[barren pawn]

if they wont fix it properly, then do this as a stopgap.

[safe grail]

that being said, i am with some other folks that have mentioned that the trading medium SHOULD be favor

[warped crow]

eh

[sturdy summit]

but I think a gold wipe would fix it properly

[safe grail]

and/or there needs to be a considerable gold tax on purchases

[warped crow]

or you could say it should be gold owo including the current favor fee

honestly alot of MG stuff just feels like it was forced to be that way so that it would look the same as cof

like why even have ranks ... or have 10 ranks at least (alot of the stuff is divided very poorly between ranks)

id probably half the MG ranks if i could and merge a few together

[safe grail]

the idea was probably so that folks still play the game lol

[barren pawn]

^

[sturdy summit]

the market is too basic for there to be any features. They need to have a more elaborate market system so there are features available to unlock. This market infrastructure just plain sucks.

like, they could let you unlock the buy history, or unlock bid orders

or do other stuff that actually makes the market part of the game, rather than the halfased bs you always get

[warped crow]

like you know the MG ranks that seperate by base type of gear

just merge all of those into 1

sell all exalted items

sell all 0 lp uniques

things like that

id probably even merge idols into the same pool as the normal/magic/rare sales

[steel oasis]

does kindling blade do anything or can i just use numlock instead

[warped crow]

but ye its fine if they wanna seperate sales by rarity/lp ... but the base type seperation is just weird ... and why do idols have a heavier weight than other items

and that would already almost cut the rank board in half

also just imo they should probably find a better system for leveling MG that isnt just listing and delisting items to spend favor to gain levels

[sturdy summit]

what would be good for that?

[warped crow]

honestly ... maybe just remove it entirely and compensate them with faster leveling from just playing the game than cof has

idk

[sturdy summit]

is the reason you find it annoying because it gives extrinsic value to placing things on the board, causing people to list things for 0 gold just to spend favor?

[warped crow]

kinda

[safe grail]

the fastest way to lvl MG was actually to gamble items freom the MG vendor

Lol

[warped crow]

it just makes a really weird game loop

[hidden valve]

I recently unlocked empowered monoliths, and I keep getting one-shot. Not sure what I’m supposed to do, can’t seem to find upgrades in regular monos

Do I push corruption up in regulars? I read that it’s pretty pointless, but I clearly can’t handle empowered

[safe grail]

what build are you playing?

[hidden valve]

I’ve built a shatterstrike build around freeze multiplier and cold damage

[unborn hamlet]

see

this is what i was complaining about MG at first before all this nonsensical pricing and gold duping and RMT rampage

[sturdy summit]

in lastepochtools build planner, you can import your character, save it, and then share the link here

[unborn hamlet]

u need to make the filtering easier with more options

and make a cap on how many items u can put up

[safe grail]

this. cause it sounds like you are trying to play Frostbite shatterblade whcih requires A LOT

[unborn hamlet]

would make u think twice about listing crap for 0 gold

further,

make the listings last a certain amount of time

its the most simple market mechanic that about just every game has in some capacity

i seen people have over 200 pages of listings

made me laugh

not only that

u cant even sort it in any way

[warped crow]

lol

[unborn hamlet]

u just have to scroll for what u sold

😂

[safe grail]

like i said, it was like EHG tried to reinvent the wheel but invented a box instead.

[unborn hamlet]

just how bad can u make it

[sturdy summit]

I don't like it when listings expire automatically, but having a cap would be good

[warped crow]

hey sometimes boxes can be good too owo ... houses are just boxes

[safe grail]

did i just get owo'd twice.

[sturdy summit]

early wheels were difficult to invent, because you didn't have any roads for them to drive on

[unborn hamlet]

i will remove a nail from your hand for every unironical owo and uwu

[warped crow]

lol

[sturdy summit]

💅

that's not polish. that's blood

[unborn hamlet]

where is dep btw

i wanted to flex my rings to him

😔

[safe grail]

playing poe

lol

[unborn hamlet]

fair enuf

[warped crow]

i feel like any system that lets you list and unlist to gain rep will innevitably fall into the same weird game loop ngl

[unborn hamlet]

all my player buddies went off to Poe

[unborn hamlet]

no unlistings

cap to like, 50 listings

each last 7 days

cant manipulate the listing until it expires

will make people think about what they want to put up

[sturdy summit]

7 days, okay, maybe this is sounding okay

[warped crow]

eh i mean that wouldnt be a problem if you just make the rep counter go up at the point of sale

and not at the point of listing

[hidden valve]

Okay figured it out

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7w2JXmB

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 89

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.5

Class:

Mage (29) / Spellblade (73)

General:

▸ Health: 1,029, Regen: 58/s
▸ Mana: 187, Regen: 15/s
▸ Ward Retention: 182%, Regen: 33/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 21 Dex / 32 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 129% / 95% / 102% / 58% / 74% / 62%
▸ EHP: 1,450 / 1,450 / 1,450 / 1,568 / 1,239 / 1,428 / 1,283

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 206
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (348)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (739)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Lightning / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Enchant Weapon (Passive)

Used skills:

• Shatter Strike (21)
• Flame Ward (20)
• Mana Strike (21)
• Enchant Weapon (20)
• Teleport (20)

Used unique items:

• Snowblind
• The Kestrel
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Snowdrift
• Singularity

[unborn hamlet]

the MG is just bad

like

there is nothing positive to say about the system

[warped crow]

i mean the positive is itself

[unborn hamlet]

the layout is terrible, the filtering is terrible, u cant even filter for your own sold items, (which is just implementing 1 button) the UI is terrible, oh my god

[errant plank]

does endurance help LL builds?

[warped crow]

if things never broke trade would be OP

[unborn hamlet]

in an idealistic world, trade could be good

ive played way too many mmo´s with their own economy

[sturdy summit]

the argument I hear in favor of the market isn't that people like playing as the merchant, it's that they don't want to farm items. Bad reason, imo

[safe grail]

yeah problem #1, you're using a 2hander when you are building for dots

[unborn hamlet]

and it always ends up in a dumpster fire

[safe grail]

you want speed.

[warped crow]

trade IS good right now ... the problem is the economy got destroyed

[unborn hamlet]

the trade wasnt good since day 1

and people who say otherwise are just coping

[warped crow]

because we want you to play the game and not be hideout warriors

lol

its OP assuming your playing the game

[unborn hamlet]

i literally had my build put together with bad CoF perks earlier than MG players afforded to even buy the items in the first place

[sturdy summit]

if the only upside of the market is that it makes it so you can swap builds without having to farm the items for them first, get rid of it. If you want to have a market because you love playing merchant, then make a market worth playing.

[warped crow]

even more so than CoF

[errant plank]

if HP below treshold of course. Just wondering because it is mentionned "damage to health" meanwhile i would still have bunch ward so it would be damage to ward....

[warped crow]

it would be pretty irrelivant since your low life build would mostly be relying on ward

to protect your low health

[safe grail]

Obliteration in the shatterstrike tree is useless, spec out of that. you want to take the bottom 4 nodes for recasts on shatter strike, those will do more dmg.

Drop the 3 points from shiver and put them elsewhere. Cold pen and area are useless if you cannot stack or do dmg.

For enchant weapon; Points in Frostbrand are borderline useless to affect dmg done by frostbite, I THINK. Since frostbite is not a melee skill, they likely wouldn't be affected.

for flame ward, do not use warden pulse or retribution. just spec thru fire aura if you wanna get to the armor node.

In teleport, mirror images are useless and just adds nothing unfortunately. Spec towards crystalline passage and time dilation for better buffs. also get to 3/4 or 4/4 comet rush. Haste is very valuable for mapping and for bossing, both

[warped crow]

shatterstrike fun ... just slices anything

[errant plank]

ive 43 HP and 59% endurance... could it save my life ? 😄

[warped crow]

also love the feeling of building up crit through firebrand

[errant plank]

or i would be better with armor or other mitigations

[warped crow]

altho i wish the range on it was a bit longer

like double its default range

[hidden valve]

Okay, I'm starting to see where I should go with the build

[warped crow]

and then it would be great

cuz it does start off kinda short

for the first like 1-2 hits

[safe grail]

added more via edit in that message.

[hidden valve]

I took a screenshot, thanks

[unborn hamlet]

the endurance is based on your current health

in this case ur endurance is totally useless

[safe grail]

yep added more. still wasnt done lol

[neon lynx]

Best part about Poe trade is how little effort /time it takes to price check and list things

Worst part is trying to buy anything

[unborn hamlet]

dep brother have u seen my juicer rings

[hidden valve]

lol got it thanks

[neon lynx]

Probably not

First time I been in here since league started

[unborn hamlet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qq26R2MB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (21) / Runemaster (72)

General:

▸ Health: 1,218, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 199, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 574%, Regen: 43/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 65 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 202% / 77% / 160% / 81% / 118% / 58%
▸ EHP: 1,666 / 1,666 / 1,666 / 1,911 / 1,666 / 1,666 / 1,418

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 244
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,682)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (24)
• Elemental Nova (21)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Flame Rush (21)
• Runic Invocation (21)

Used unique items:

• Frozen Ire
• Frostbite Shackles
• Snowdrift
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Oceareon
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[unborn hamlet]

i have to flex em

[safe grail]

for sure. you're also needing to work on your passives a bunch. spellblade is a tad squishy and you arent really specced correctly to damage reduction

You can take nodes in the runemaster and sorc trees to help w/ defensives.

[barren pawn]

stop the cap. Ive geared like.. 9 builds in less time than it wouldve taken to farm the gear in CoF.

@safe grail swapped for a reason.

[warped crow]

you do realize that the entire trade system in poe was built by the community BECAUSE poe trade is so horrible

[barren pawn]

also this

[unborn hamlet]

and? do u have fun ?

[errant plank]

So endurance is a very unefficient defensive layer for LL builds.

[safe grail]

yeah but now i've swapped back to COF

[unborn hamlet]

😂 if yes then its all good

[barren pawn]

Yes?

[safe grail]

i have no desire to entertain trade in the future.

[neon lynx]

And?

[unborn hamlet]

yeah so, i dont have any fun with MG

[hidden valve]

Got it, I'll explore those

[warped crow]

like litterally everything about trade right now isnt even done by ggg ... its all 3rd party ... ggg just gave them api access

[barren pawn]

as will most with them ahving completely ruined MG

well

most that have the gear stored away

[safe grail]

yep. some very easy ones to pick up are sphere of protection 8/8 rm tree and also mana shell 8/8 sorc tree.

Additionally, don't undervalue the usefulness of shattered aegis in the spellblade tree.

[barren pawn]

people like me are just... royally screwed

[safe grail]

no like playing this game in the future, i will not use the trade feature.

trade is ruined for me going forward.

[barren pawn]

i was replying to your swap homie

[safe grail]

yeah ik

[barren pawn]

not you ignoring trade moving forward

[safe grail]

and im commenting on the future.

that's all lol

[barren pawn]

i dont care about that

i jsut care about the swaps

[hoary basalt]

trade is weird

[neon lynx]

Why is there 700 different NPCs to trade with instead of 1

And why isn’t there a trade npc in your monoliths

[warped crow]

because its a bazar and not an auction '

[safe grail]

something something immersion

[warped crow]

lol

[hoary basalt]

It's a smaller company

but maybe they'll find a work around

[warped crow]

bazar has a bunch of different sellers gathered in a square

[neon lynx]

Idk what a bazar is

[barren pawn]

yeah a bazaar has multiple people all peddling different things

[warped crow]

AH has 1 seller

[neon lynx]

But it’s stupid

[warped crow]

xD

[barren pawn]

its not an auction house

[neon lynx]

Who thought it was a good idea to do it like that

[barren pawn]

History?

[safe grail]

okay but even then

[barren pawn]

like..

[sturdy summit]

bazaar is an old word. call it a Mall

[safe grail]

they literally could've done like

[sturdy summit]

or is Mall an old word too?

[barren pawn]

pretty much yeah

[warped crow]

ye bazar and mall are basically the same thing from different time periods

[safe grail]

1 NPC For armor
1 NPC for jewelry/relics
1 NPC for weps
1 NPC for off hands
1 NPC for wands/staves
1 NPC for idols

still a bazar

[neon lynx]

Or just

[safe grail]

but still infinitely more effective.

[neon lynx]

1 npc

[barren pawn]

Dep.

[neon lynx]

And stop calling it a bazar

I don’t care about the lore

[barren pawn]

Yuo are completely missing the fekkin point of the theme

[warped crow]

isnt that what it is?

[neon lynx]

It’s a stupid design

[barren pawn]

kay.

[safe grail]

no lmao

it's fkn

a separate NPC

for each TYPE

so 2h axes

has an npc

1h axes

[warped crow]

OH

[safe grail]

has an npc

yeah it's v dumb

[warped crow]

i mean ouch

[neon lynx]

Go ss the bazar for em

Show the 600 NPCs

[warped crow]

ye i thought it was by gear slot

not base lel

[neon lynx]

[safe grail]

no lmfao

it's by base

[barren pawn]

its like 15 npcs

[safe grail]

and then idols

holy FK

there's like

9 idol NPCs

1 for each class

[barren pawn]

idols is the worst offender

[warped crow]

ye they coul definately tune it down a bit

[safe grail]

and then 1 for generic

[neon lynx]

And daggers

[safe grail]

or some crap

[sturdy summit]

they should add more NPCs. Have two npcs that sell swords, and they sell different swords for different prices

[neon lynx]

Swords

Etc

Etc

[hoary basalt]

true but this is mage channel

[sturdy summit]

you have to do comparison shopping to find which seller has the better swords

[hoary basalt]

go complain to the merchants guilders :p

[neon lynx]

They should add 1 of each npc for buying and selling

Buy from one sell to the other

[warped crow]

honestly they could just do all the selling from the same board

[barren pawn]

Im not complaining. Im fine with the current system, i just want more seachability features

[neon lynx]

And put them on opposite sides of the bazar

[barren pawn]

like being able to specifiy stat ranges PER stat

[warped crow]

buying tho should be going to each npc

lel

[barren pawn]

you can tho

[warped crow]

with less npcs ofc

[neon lynx]

With a load screen in the middle

[barren pawn]

you can literalyl access all of your listings and sales from one menu

[warped crow]

yeeeee i only know less than the basics lel

[barren pawn]

even if its not the stall where you placed the order

also just kinda wanna say the following

if you havent played MG, dont have opinions on MG feature 😂

You get used to it

[warped crow]

i have but not much

lel

[safe grail]

so yeah in conclusion

both factions system

[sturdy summit]

"you get used to it" is just admitting it's bad

[safe grail]

is badly implemented

and has a lot of improvement

[warped crow]

yeeee

honestly why doesnt CoF do anything about boss drops

[barren pawn]

like the only thnig i care for them to add to mg is being able to specifiy exact stats and ranges for easch stat

[warped crow]

we could have had 1 rank exclusive to increasing boss rates lel

[safe grail]

p sure they said they would be entertaining that change come 1.1

[barren pawn]

the tier system in current form is dumb

[warped crow]

ye thats good to hear

[barren pawn]

I select t7, and all affixes need to be t7?

[safe grail]

cus they now understand that if you have 100k players and 50k are mg 50k COF, the 50k MG are going to have a FAR easier time and access to boss uniques lmfao

[barren pawn]

like cmon

[barren pawn]

its basically an even slpit too lmao

[neon lynx]

That’s the only thing cof is missing imo

[warped crow]

lol true

[warped crow]

eeeeh i guess ... there was something else but i forgot it

[sturdy summit]

+4 frost claw. the other thing missing is +4 frost claw

[warped crow]

lol

affix target farming sure ... but we have blessings for that

lel

[sturdy summit]

nah, affix target farming is fine

just that one

(i'm kidding, I don't even need it)

[barren pawn]

it would make CoF better imo

[safe grail]

bro finally got a 200+ shred neck

and i suddenly stack 250 more stacks lmfao

frostbite is nutty.

[warped crow]

actually

[sturdy summit]

right?!

[warped crow]

eh nvm

[safe grail]

but this fkn blessing

is beginning to annoy me

[warped crow]

thats something that everyone should get lel

not just cof

more blessing farming power lol

like an extra roll

[errant plank]

about uniques, on last epoch tools, it is mentionned where you can get it. Does it mean it is boss drop only for example? Or i can still get it anywhere (like echo reward)? "Last steps of the living" for example

[warped crow]

the one thing you cant buy in mg xD

unless they make itemized blessings

[sturdy summit]

5th roll unlocks at 200 corruption. you think a 6th one at like, 300? I don't think they'd put it higher than 300

[warped crow]

ye they would cap it

or they could just give you some way to basically roll all of the blessings twice per run

[hoary basalt]

yyyees

[sturdy summit]

how about instead of all that, just make the rolls scale with corruption

[warped crow]

get a new set of 5 options

[stiff crown]

Steps only drops from the boss

[sturdy summit]

so that when you do get the blessing, it's not a crappy one

[errant plank]

how can i know whether its boss only drop or "criteria only drop"?

[stiff crown]

It will say

[sturdy summit]

look at the item in lastepochtools

[warped crow]

ye seperate blessings into teirs ... and remove the lowest teir every time you reach a certain corruption

[stiff crown]

If it has a reroll value then it's a random drop from anywhere

[errant plank]

for these boots for example it says "Dropped from: ...." it does not say its exclusive?

[warped crow]

like instead of 75% crit avoidance it might be seperated into 40-50 50-60 and 60-75
but once you hit like 300 corru you remove the 40-50 rolls entirely

[sturdy summit]

it says where it drops from. it doesn't drop from anywhere else

[errant plank]

and that is true whatever the criteria is? Like a zone, a boss kill or whatever?

[safe grail]

also phili

[stiff crown]

If it says it drops from a boss then that's the only place to get it. You cannot even use ascendence runes to get it

[safe grail]

@sturdy summit barrage is cracked

[sturdy summit]

"dropped from" is different from "timeline to target farm"

[errant plank]

really? some guys were saying exsang for example from ascendance?!!!?

[sturdy summit]

that's not a boss drop

last steps are

[stiff crown]

Barrage with on hit stuff like shred and celestial doom is crazy

[sturdy summit]

nice, I will give it a try next

[errant plank]

ok got it. So boss drops are exclusive

exsang is from some echo reward. And in this case it can be from ascendance right ?

[sturdy summit]

can't take a brand and ice barrage without dropping flame ward

[stiff crown]

Yes. It can drop from anywhere

[sturdy summit]

echo rewards are just for target farming

"Timeline to target farm" is a suggestion, not a requirement.

[safe grail]

yeah i dropped flame ward lol

[sturdy summit]

"dropped from" is a requirement

[stiff crown]

I use the passive that brands on lightning hit that costs at least 15 mana

[sturdy summit]

we're talking cold builds, though

[safe grail]

yeah but we're playing cold FC

so

we cant use that

[stiff crown]

Rip

Brand with fire wall

[sturdy summit]

yep, that would require dropping flame ward

or doing something weird with enigma

[safe grail]

im actually using brand on flame rush

but idk if it truly affects bosses

since one cannot pass thru

[errant plank]

ok thanks guyz got it 🙂

[sturdy summit]

frey's retreat is fun, but blizzard really drains my mana. Although it benefits from the runic tree, it doesn't benefit from the mana refund

refund only triggers on direct casts

[safe grail]

thank GOD

the fkn frostbite blessing.

jesus

[desert minnow]

is there anywhere in this server where we can post screenshots of items and ask for advice? NOT items-showcase

no image perms here kind of blows

[safe grail]

you can upload it to imgur

and link it and ask

[desert minnow]

https://imgur.com/a/FJVqzmP which would be the better belt for a frostbite frost claw build (runemaster)?

[safe grail]

probably the top one

[sturdy summit]

the top one, 100%

freeze rate is better than edot

[sturdy summit]

reduced damage from crit strikes is also really good. With mental catalysis, you have 78% crit reduction. that's all you really need.

[desert minnow]

Awesome Ty!

[hollow arrow]

phew

am fat from easter dinner

[stiff crown]

Did you eat the bunny

[sturdy summit]

I don't think I'm getting much value from these nodes that grant ward when enemies pass through frost wall. Enemies don't end up getting frozen on the wall. They're frozen before they reach the wall.

or they're dead before they reach the wall 🤣

[stiff crown]

It'll probably be more useful later when they don't freeze as easily

[sturdy summit]

yeah

i need to push corruption hard for a bit. changed my spec enough that things are way too easy now.

[olive quail]

Fml, goodbye exalted +3 frostclaw relic and hello cold resistance heart of uhkeiros

[sturdy summit]

oof

[hoary basalt]

With invovkers set is that a +3 to nova if it's tri elemental?

[sturdy summit]

hey, ward retention is good 🤣

[sturdy summit]

yes

[hoary basalt]

hmm

still seems bad :p

[sturdy summit]

yes :p

[hoary basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/tremors-the-series-tremors4-the-legend-begins-tremors-tremors4the-legend-begins-gif-23232864

[rotund steeple]

Where is circle of fortune guild located

[sturdy summit]

maj'elka

divine era

[safe grail]

@full bluff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Gristz6PA love how far along this has come for the sorc! 🙂

[remote trellis]

When using flame reave with frenzied flame (bonus flat damage while frenzied and 40% frenzy chance when using flame reave) do you get the damage bonus in the same flame reave cast (say you got the frenzy trigger) or you have to have frenzy before casting flame reave for the bonus to count?

[safe grail]

i'd suspect if you get frenzy in the same frame cast, it'll apply.

[full bluff]

Slowly raising corruption, lazy 🙂

[safe grail]

Lol yeah

[full bluff]

I reached my goal tho, show that sorc is not bad or suck

[safe grail]

yup yup. it just needs the same attention that RM can get

[sturdy summit]

I always try to say that sorc is less popular, not that it's worse

[barren pawn]

I have a bag full of freeze fried marshmallows

Dried*

That is all

[sturdy summit]

🍿

[barren pawn]

Correct!

[spark hearth]

what about Spellblade compared to RM and Sorc

[barren pawn]

worse than both objectively

[spark hearth]

unfortunate

[barren pawn]

yeh

[spark hearth]

was planning on trying to make i work

[full bluff]

mana strike+frost claw+lightning blast combo should work fine on spellblade

but haven't tried it yet

[spark hearth]

now to consider how i can integrate Font of the Erased

just got it off a void prophet

[sturdy summit]

see what it rolls before you get excited :D

it could be a solid upgrade, or trash

[spark hearth]

8 rolls, lets see how low it goes

[spare phoenix]

Weaver will of 8?? Ouch

[hollow arrow]

welp market seems to be fixing itself slowly

2lp twisteds are popping up, 3lp weps are popping up again

[spark hearth]

and given 28 is the maximum

already off to a low roll start

[barren pawn]

but for what price?

[spare phoenix]

Not 1.5b 😅

Some of em are still trying to get it tho. But some are putting legit pricing

[spark hearth]

and it already low rolled

great

+necrotic/void/throwing damage

[hoary basalt]

but is it fun?

I find this subclass wierdly more confusing than poe

[full bluff]

I only play my frost claw sorcerer now, have 2 runemasters with frost claw too, but stopped using them

Really fun speed killing stuff 🙂

[hoary basalt]

Yeah that seems a popular skill I had a few idol drops fro Volcanic orb but it's kind of ... inconsistent

[hollow arrow]

actual price before market crash which is surprising

[hoary basalt]

I was enjoying it and flame rush ... I think there was a visual synergy but the actual build maybe was bad

[hollow arrow]

which was already inflated, but it's not for the 1-1.5b like i thought it would be

[barren pawn]

soooooooooo

600m?

what about 2 and 3lp exsangs?

2s were like 50m

[spare phoenix]

Twas but a dream

[full bluff]

Quite interesting to watch deflation in a market, not often one sees that in action. Now maybe people will wait with spending their gold, hoping prices will go down "tomorrow".

Atleast thats the theory with deflation

[somber merlin]

hit 1.5m DPS on my disintegrate build with crit shine and glyph of dominion, its a good time

[sturdy summit]

what's causing it, though?

[full bluff]

If I had sold stuff on market and had 3-4B sitting in my bank, I wouldn't spend it all right away. Especially not 1B for a single item. I would wait a bit and see, maybe prices drop. Thats how deflation effects people, they hold off on spending. Locking the economy . No one wants to buy anything.

So sellers that must sell, have to drop prices. But this is just theory. No idea how it would play out here. So it is interesting.

[sturdy summit]

I guess the deflation is inevitable upon hitting the price cap. no where for prices to go but down, and when everything sold out, it kind of created a cooling off period

[full bluff]

If reselling was possible, it would be different.

[sturdy summit]

yeah

[safe grail]

are we saying deflation of the sell prices?

[sturdy summit]

not allowing reselling turns out to be a good idea :p

[full bluff]

But now people just have lots of gold, no reason to spend a lot 🙂

[safe grail]

or of the gold value?

[sturdy summit]

isn't that the same thing?

[safe grail]

eh

[sturdy summit]

gold's value is only what it can buy

[safe grail]

the value is only as good as the supply tho too

as in if the supply of items aren't there

prices for like

1 LP twisteds can go way down

but 2 LPs stay at 1.5b

cause they just get hoovered

so i guess it's kind of relative.

[full bluff]

Thats why deflation could be even worse than inflation. No one wants to sell anything

[sturdy summit]

yeah, if the "true price" is above the cap, there will be a shortage

[safe grail]

which is exactly what is going on rn

[full bluff]

If everyone already has lots of gold, they have no reason to sell.

[hollow arrow]

i didnt look at them

[barren pawn]

ahem tooltip?

[hollow arrow]

i checked to see if 2lp twisteds were back in, and jelkor 3lp were as well

people still gonna list high i bet, but actual prices are coming back

we'll see with next few days

[full bluff]

Will be fun to see how it goes 🙂

[safe grail]

ill be completely honest

i've spent about 14 hours now playing on COF

and havent found MANY COF items cause i havent slammed many prophs

[barren pawn]

@safe grail so, there will of course be nerds tring to keep selling at the current price

or last nights

[safe grail]

yeah

[barren pawn]

but the overall community is going to bring it down

to where it should be

[hollow arrow]

i played some CoF today

but im mostly on MG still cuz im doing okay build wise

[somber merlin]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/disintegrate-runemaster-guide

[safe grail]

he said tooltip, not guide

lol

[full bluff]

Maybe next up is item duping. And everyone gets everything for free 🙂

[safe grail]

also maxroll guide kinda sucks

[somber merlin]

OOPS

[safe grail]

LOL the sarcasm

chillllll

[somber merlin]

whats a tooltip in here? sorry

[safe grail]

haha

[safe grail]

scroll over your ability

[barren pawn]

🤢 volcas build

I surpassed that ages ago

[sturdy summit]

kyo, when is your disintegrate guide coming

[somber merlin]

thats cool, im still having a great time with it

[safe grail]

if things are settling out a bit, maybe i just swap back? I mean. it depends on what they do with the gold lmfao

[barren pawn]

I cannot be assed to write a guide. I just post the main configs letools when people ask about it

[full bluff]

My sorcerer guid got rejected. Editors didn't like it and made lots of bad suggestions and changes. Don't think the people running those sites actually play the game.

[safe grail]

kyo the typa guy to not put comments in his code

[barren pawn]

much simpler to do that then answer questions direcly

[safe grail]

[barren pawn]

No i comment code/

[safe grail]

okay god bless

[barren pawn]

you think imma just... write a program and leave no guidance for future users?

[safe grail]

can you give an example? I'm kind of curious

[barren pawn]

Who am i to you?

Satan?

[safe grail]

users no. other engi's? yes.

lmfao

"hey man what was the purpose of this code?

kyo to rando engi: idk figure it tf out"

[full bluff]

They wanted to list super easy to get uniques as a Con for the build. I want to say it is a Pros

[safe grail]

[safe grail]

whatttttttttttttttt lmfao

[barren pawn]

man i leave detailed guidance for if shid breaks and easter eggs in the code.

[safe grail]

that's a turbo pro wtf.

[barren pawn]

maxroll?

[full bluff]

Like Fragment of Enigma is hard to get???

I only pick up lp3 and 4s now

[sturdy summit]

where was it rejected? dammit gave me really good editing advice

[barren pawn]

ill do this if they havent proved themselves

They need to be able to sink or swim

[safe grail]

based

i usually told my directs when they came to me w/ problems if they had no solutions, all imma do is ask questions

lmfao

[sturdy summit]

I just write code that's obvious what it does

[barren pawn]

You control winter?

[safe grail]

it actually worked and they realized they could think on their own and just come to me for an approval and the good ol "LG2M"

[sturdy summit]

freudian slip

[safe grail]

slip deez

😮

[barren pawn]

T H I S I S T H E W A Y

[safe grail]

this is from the ops end tho

lol

[barren pawn]

works for production too

[safe grail]

based

i explained this in my interview the other day

[barren pawn]

if all you get handed is a bunch of script kiddies, they need to learn fast

[safe grail]

they asked what my management style is

and i said

[sturdy summit]

I don't have direct reports, but I mentor a lot of interns, and I often have to teach them how to do things like use a terminal

[safe grail]

"It's mostly hands off w/ the correct foundation established"

and then i explained what i meant

[barren pawn]

I transitioned out of hard code though, mostly ended up a net code junkie

and a cable junkie

[sturdy summit]

I don't get script kiddies. I get people who studied finance, not programming

[safe grail]

Sup fam

lmfao

[hoary basalt]

elemental damage over time is superior to elemental damage (puts down table and a change my mind sign)

[barren pawn]

You should see ho perfect ye olden companies networking farms and closets looked

[safe grail]

BASc in org management hahaha

[barren pawn]

Color coded cabling for where everything was gonig, neatly o0rganized, with full diagrams for the entire site.

God i miss that shid

[hollow arrow]

it's up to you tbh

[safe grail]

uh. depends. if you want to scale both the dot AND the ability, then ele dmg is better

[hollow arrow]

but i'd play both maybe, you seem to be enjoying frost build

[safe grail]

my frost build doesnt use any cof tags yet

lmfao

[hollow arrow]

i still want to do a lightning marksman, and i might get one up on CoF

[sturdy summit]

elemental damage is just bad

[safe grail]

none of my gear really does

[hollow arrow]

lol

[barren pawn]

im just sayin, there are far better disintegrate builds out there. That ones going to start hard strugglin after a bit

[full bluff]

Sorcerer frost claw is very easy to build. Only need 2 items, Dragorath and Fragment. Both really easy to find. No need for any +skill to frost claw or anything a bit rare. Like most other frost claw builds need to function smoothly.

[sturdy summit]

if you want to scale the dot and the hit, that's why we specialize in one element

cold damage is better than elemental damage

[somber merlin]

link me one?

[barren pawn]

anyway, i still wanna see the tooltip dps on that disintegrate

[safe grail]

i take what RNG gives me

also fk the stupid spires

my GOD they are so triggering

[barren pawn]

and waht it hits for on arena dummies

[sturdy summit]

spires are the worst

[hollow arrow]

[somber merlin]

how do i link that?

[barren pawn]

spires dumb yeh

[full bluff]

Restart echo with spires

[hollow arrow]

that was hilarious the other night

'I MOVED AND IT GOT ME'

[barren pawn]

pop in game, head to the arena, hover over disintegrate and take a screenshot of it

[safe grail]

bro i was so MAD

[barren pawn]

then record like a 5 secodn clip of disintergate hitting one of the arenas dummies using windows game bar

[sturdy summit]

I'm usually fine when I keep moving. They get me when I stop to loot o_o

[barren pawn]

since embeds dun work here, just pass it to me in a dm

[stiff crown]

Make a YouTube guide or maybe on lastepochtools

[barren pawn]

this is the way

[somber merlin]

word, i'll try that, happy to take any tips

[pale trout]

Hello all, is the best way to get a t7 mana reduction scepter just farm it from another char somewhere with the lootfilter on for runemaster? im struggling to get one and the build feels kinda terrible without it

[full bluff]

Tried 🙂 but they didn't want it

[sturdy summit]

so dammit was the one who rejected it?

I found him to be pleasant to work with, tbh

[barren pawn]

I spent a loooong time with with @safe grail making that ability waaaaaay better

[full bluff]

yes, don't really need to write much either, planner almost explains it with a paragraph of text lol

[stiff crown]

Just make it on YouTube

[barren pawn]

dammit must not like competition

[sturdy summit]

competition from what?

[barren pawn]

build is solid, and i fekk with it over most of the others ive seen so far @full bluff id just make a vidya

[stiff crown]

I've seen some people just record their unapproved guides on YouTube

[barren pawn]

maybe take the written guide and pop it into a google doc people with the link have access to, downin the vidyas descriptiopn

[full bluff]

I am not really a "content creator" just wrote it up

Posted it on my youtube profile

so it is saved for history 🙂

[barren pawn]

[full bluff]

I wish youtube had a combination of text publishing and videos

Bit too simple on the text part there now

[stiff crown]

You have 5000 characters in the description of the video

[hoary basalt]

does lesser expl on glacial disable greater destruction or just transfer that to middle?

shesh whree's the more information tab when you need it - nevermind

[stiff crown]

Keep the video portion as short as possible. Between 2 to 5 minutes. Kids these days have short AF attention spans. You can do most of the detailed stuff in the description for those interested and keep the video part for overview

[barren pawn]

^ this

[full bluff]

Maybe when I have dragged my sorcerer to 1500+ corruption 🙂

or 2k

[wheat snow]

imma keep it real, i got lucky and found a half decent rolled T7 Mana reduction in the marketplace for dirt cheap like a week or so ago. If youre MG i'd say check there often

[pale trout]

thanks for the info, im not 😦

[full bluff]

CoF for exalted scepters?

Should be not too hard

[pale trout]

yeah ill do that on my other character and give it a try, thanks

[hoary basalt]

okay in theory +100% damage to element X from other type of skill seems good but ... like what does a Dragon have to do with casting the rotation through of elements. I know I'm kind of nit picking but like Thas for Nova Chads isn't it?

I've been trying to do like - bolster first dps with cold spells (freeze is a nice controler effect) but I'm just not 'feeling it'

[sturdy summit]

is this an elaborate dragon deez nuts gag?

what's dragon?

[full bluff]

Dragon Mage passives

I think is what he means

[sturdy summit]

is this a sorc thing?

[full bluff]

yes

[barren pawn]

imma keep it a buck with you

The devs outright said anything doing 4 digit corr is because they made a mistake

So fully expect downtunes for specs doing it

[full bluff]

I expect a frost claw nerf

[barren pawn]

300-500 is where they consider a build good and viable

[full bluff]

so in 1.1 frost claw can do 20k corruption after the nerf

[hoary basalt]

nah more like a grandma told me not to suck dragon eggs kind of 'I think this thing should be obv is not I'm dumb'

[sturdy summit]

we should bring back "go suck eggs" as an insult

[hoary basalt]

yeah it's +10% p/point and it's an elemental rotation or trade off.

[hoary basalt]

IN THIS ECONOMY?!

Boom.

[sturdy summit]

💥

[barren pawn]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedPowerfulPeppermintJKanStyle-bDkCsKnd1dH0JAbY the proof

[hoary basalt]

nice

[barren pawn]

thanks to @rocky sphinx

[hoary basalt]

oh

I had done the mirror breath ...

okay it is working sheeesh

It's tooltip says 'cycles' so I though it was like ... cumulative or something but it ... CHANGES

cycle is itterative CHANGE is CHANGE

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

okay

Goint to try to kill this dumb god who is actually one of the only characters who made me laugh in this whole sordid plot of capitulation and crisis

[sturdy summit]

who?

I think the only god I'd describe as funny would be lagon

lagon has a sense of humor

none of the other three do, even though heorot seems like a nice guy

[barren pawn]

lagon isnt funny funny

hes crazy funny

[sturdy summit]

moon touched

I didn't mean to say lagon is funny. Lagon has a sense of humor. His humor comes at our expense.

unlike lagon, heorot cares about his people, but he's too earnest to have a sense of humor

and the other two are just jerks

[hoary basalt]

He's funny.

Lagon I mean

But yes to be specific his humor is godly. The other 'gods' all seem fairly disinterested.

I think a few of the other alternate time lines could have been expanded like - different personality gods

shrugs anyway I was finally able to beat Lagon. And yeah the flame dash should not have a traversal tag unless it's a trade off passive.

And yeah damage over time is where the dps is at - maybe it's just this character but I thought raw elemental damage was what the Sorceror was supposed to be about but ... nope

I mean okay I've seen a few builds that seem to be able to front load metoer and part of my diff with sorceror is not liking it as a skill

[sturdy summit]

"I just can't beat Lagon" isn't the real meme, it's only a tribute

[hoary basalt]

well I had flame rush / dash and teleport on focus and somehow I kept gettinmg clipped by the big moon aoe

flame rush is so ... wobbly ...

I have however messed around with all the sorceror skilsl now and

blackhole is kind of fun but doesn't have really pull me in even though I was expecting it to

heh

[warped crow]

i just get 3 miles away from the moon lel

[steady folio]

Sorry for noob question but how does dmg calcs work when the mad alchemist ladel is 23 spell dmg and its Bis for my build but i have a 58 spell dmg exalted wand

[royal gull]

Base spell damage is good, "More" multipliers are better

[steady folio]

Ok

Trying to feel that out

[warped crow]

its that 48% multiplier for having 8 debuffs

[royal gull]

More is a specific keyword that is the king of them all

Increase is the baby version

[safe grail]

ladle is going to be better. by all accounts

it scales w/ your int and w/ ailments that you are able to apply

it will beat out the flat dmg. i promise.

[warped crow]

hot take but all masteries (the base passive that you get that defines the mastery) that give damage should be multipliers

[sturdy summit]

increased and more are both multipliers

[warped crow]

ye but there are so many more increased stats than there are more stats

[sturdy summit]

more stats don't tend to have more than a single source, but some do.

any more stat that can be stacked is actually just a different source of increased damage

[steady folio]

👍🏼

[sturdy summit]

or another way of putting it is, increased damage is the standard form of More damage you can acquire

[steady folio]

Ok starting to make sense

[sturdy summit]

but all increased damage is a single source of More damage

[steady folio]

Increased vs More was confusing for a new player

[sturdy summit]

basically, you add together all the multipliers of the same type, before multiplying the multipliers of different types together

[warped crow]

except in LE % increased cold dmg and % increased spell dmg are the same dmg type

[sturdy summit]

increased damage is one type. resist penetration is another type

[sturdy summit]

yep, all increased damage is one type of more damage

[royal gull]

But wait there is more

[warped crow]

ye that felt weird going into LE ... cuz in PoE a different dmg type is a multiplier ... including variations like types of dmg

[royal gull]

Increased spell or melee damage doesn't increase the damage your DoTs do

[sturdy summit]

some dots are spells, but most are ailments

[royal gull]

Added spell or melee damage also doesn't

Unless we're talking Spirit Drain or something where the skill itself directly scales yeah

[sturdy summit]

yeah, spell dots tend to be skills

[royal gull]

But the DoTs you inflict like bleed, poison, ignite, frostbite, shock don't

[sturdy summit]

yeah, those are ailments

I still think it's amazing that ailments secretly scale with int

who could have possibly expected that

[warped crow]

cries in aura of decay

[proper hawk]

that's not exactly true, if the ailment is applied with a skill that scales with strength, the ailment will scale with str too, it depends on the skill you apply it with

[sturdy summit]

yeah, I understand

but that's not the point

[warped crow]

ye makes sense tho

[proper hawk]

ok, just making sure

and making sure no one else was confused reading it

[warped crow]

its kinda like how in other games they scale the degen with the damage that caused it

[sturdy summit]

cool

[warped crow]

LE doesnt but like

i guess some stuff does carry over

[sturdy summit]

what happens is that all effects inherit the modifiers of the effect that caused them

so if an ailment is applied by a skill, it inherits every modifier to that skill.

[warped crow]

even a melee tag for melee dmg?

[sturdy summit]

yes, but it's not melee

so the modifier does nothing

[warped crow]

i mean if it has that tag then it is that thing

thats the point of a tag

[proper hawk]

maybe slightly off topic but are you saying in PoE increased spell damage and increased fire damage are multiplicative with each other? Because I can assure you that isn't the case, it works the same in PoE as it does here

[warped crow]

i thought it was

[sturdy summit]

an ailment is not melee, so when it inherits increased melee damage, it won't benefit from it.

the ailment inherits modifiers, but not tags

int doesn't require a tag

but spell damage does

both are inherited, only one has any effect

[warped crow]

lol

[proper hawk]

its pretty consistent once you know the rules, its just a little confusing at first

[sturdy summit]

it's consistent, but it's moon logic.

[warped crow]

guess thats what happens when your pretty much forced to only follow guides

xD

[proper hawk]

lmao I'm so glad I can just pick whatever in LE and make it work

[warped crow]

lol its a hard thing to break out of

[sturdy summit]

I skipped PoE. I love huge skill trees like it has. I skipped it entirely because speccing qol is so dumb

[proper hawk]

I'm at the point where PoE I don't really have to follow a guide either, I've put way too much time into that game, but man does it make you work for it + my builds are never quite as good as other stuff around lol

[warped crow]

magic find is so horrible over there

they advertise scaling your content but then the big way to get stuff is MF

thats another thing i love about LE

more reward always comes from pushing harder content

[proper hawk]

eh last league MF was kinda out of hand because of the league mechanic, but usually its really not necessary to run MF

also, to go back to talking about how ailments inherit attribute scalings, sub-skills do it too. In fact, if you see an attribute scaling on a sub-skill in a tree that differs from its parent skill, you actually need to completely ignore the tooltip, it will use the parent skills scalings

[sturdy summit]

yeah, any effect that causes another effect

[warped crow]

wait doesnt a sub skill tell you what tags are on it tho?

like outright

[sturdy summit]

if a scorpion summons another scorpion, the inheritence is transitive

the grandchild scorpion will inherit both your and the scorpion's minion damage stats.

that was kain's example

[sturdy summit]

modifiers are inherited, not tags

[warped crow]

ic

[proper hawk]

for a particularly egregious example, bone curse gives 4% damage per intelligence. If you spec for bone prison, the tooltip for bone prison says that it gets +3 minion health per point of intelligence. However, this is a lie, as it uses the base skills attribute scaling, not its own

[sturdy summit]

pf, 2lp last steps before 2lp shackles

[proper hawk]

lmao nice

[sturdy summit]

I need snowdrift boots

I can't use these

at least not for this build

[proper hawk]

RIP

[warped crow]

oof

[stiff crown]

Fragment is the Enigma applies Spark Charge on hit at a chance. Does this mean Spark Charge hits can trigger now Spark Charges? 🤔

[proper hawk]

I believe it specifically disallows proccing spark charges from spark charges

[hollow arrow]

alrightttttt time to relax

and see how markets doing

[stiff crown]

Dern

[warped crow]

ye nah no free prolif xD

[sturdy summit]

start a chain reaction and nuke the servers

[warped crow]

lol

[barren pawn]

someone made a post on reddit with volcas disintegrate build, and i made a comment letting them know its tooltip is bugged, but also let them know his build was made pre 1.0, and that as far as i am aware hadnt been actually updated since.

Also linked my personal current variation and the comment is doin quite well

People really seem to like the build

I knew i wasnt alone in my enjoyment of giant fekk off laser beam

[stiff crown]

Make a guide

[hollow arrow]

yeah so i can comment on it

lmao

[sturdy summit]

^

[warped crow]

lol

[hoary basalt]

Yeah I've switched over to TP / Glacial / VOrb / Focus and Flame Ward from Focus (with TP) & Flame Ward and Flame Rush / VOrb / BlackHole

Basically just leaning into damage over time experimenting with fire/cold pen

[glacial cedar]

what does jasper's implicit "+1 to melee attacks" mean?

[warped crow]

skill levels

any skill with a melee tag gains a level

[glacial cedar]

that makes sense, i was wondering where the extra skill point was coming from lol thanks

[sturdy summit]

it's weird, because it should say +1 to melee skills

[warped crow]

meanwhile that one body armour with "increased void resistance" and does litterally nothing