🧙┃mage

[safe grail]

nvm

[balmy imp]

So added is like added base damage, multiplied by increased

[safe grail]

ye

the more word is generally associated w/ increased

[balmy imp]

So a nice mix of the 2 are nice

[hard orbit]

ooooooooh oh ok ok so its another armor increase modifier like strength/heorot's blessing?

[hard orbit]

isnt it different?

[safe grail]

i said generally associated

lol

can imply it's not exactly like it

[hard orbit]

I thought its like (added value) * (increased value) * (more value)

[safe grail]

i believe so

[full bluff]

I have been thinking static is more armor, multiplier on the armor you see in char sheet

[safe grail]

just hit alt over it

[full bluff]

But hard to test it 🙂

[safe grail]

it should say if it is multi w/ other multis

if it is multi w/ other multis

[hard orbit]

no wait I'm right it says it right on the item

[safe grail]

then it is added * Increased * multi

[stiff crown]

Like more1more2more3*...

[full bluff]

It says multiplier

[hard orbit]

(105% to 175%) more Armour against Shocked Enemies
multiplicative with other modifiers

(7% to 15%) more Lightning Damage to Shocked Enemies

[stiff crown]

Omg, Discord

[safe grail]

yeah

so it's A * I * M

[hard orbit]

so it is a huge armor multiplier

[safe grail]

it's a 1.x multi ya

[full bluff]

I think it works too, not bugged like so many thing, it is what keeps my sorcerer alive

[safe grail]

so like i've got 2034 armor, it was just multi that by 1.37 for mine

[hard orbit]

so in my case its 2800 * (1+1.60) ?

[full bluff]

yes

[safe grail]

it'd be 2800 * (1+160%)

in your formula you'd be adding a whole ass 100% more lol

[hard orbit]

but 160% is 1.6

[safe grail]

maybe we were trying to account for less than 100% earlier

i was using kurii formula

?

[stiff crown]

I need more context

[full bluff]

Depends on what you are calculating, the end total or the increase amount from the armor

[safe grail]

i mean i usually just convert the percentage in my head

137% = 1.37x multi

so my armor would go from 2034*1.37

[hard orbit]

I mean if it gave 60% more it would be armor * (1+0.6) but since it gives 160% its armor * (1+1.6)

[stiff crown]

No

[safe grail]

yeah that aint right

[stiff crown]

I've already included the 1

You don't need to add it again

[safe grail]

You can't add the one in that scenario

[full bluff]

1.37 is 37% more

[hard orbit]

YES

[stiff crown]

It's the sum of increased armor + 1

[full bluff]

137% more is 2.37x

[hard orbit]

I'm saying how much armor I will have in total, not how much armor it gives me

[safe grail]

Oh duh

aight too much math

imma go drink coffee and~~ prep for my interview~~ fk that interview aint til 1. thought it was at 10

[hard orbit]

I think we miscommunicated that

[safe grail]

it's very easy forget

that 100% multi

is 2x

lol

[full bluff]

BUT on some items and stats in last epoch, they list the total % already calculated. Like on crit multiplier. So hard to say for sure

[stiff crown]

Yes, that's why I included the 1

[safe grail]

yeah

[stiff crown]

Crit Mult is the only thing that the game already includes the 200% base. Not sure why

[full bluff]

My old high school math teacher would be furious about the math skills of ARPG devs 🙂

Up to 170% more armor from a single item is huge, so could be something there

[stiff crown]

What item

[full bluff]

There is a helm that has 5% more armor

[full bluff]

static shell

[safe grail]

i mean it's an almost entirely defensive item

so it makes sense

[hard orbit]

up to 15% MORE lightning damage

go for interview, no more last epoch

[stiff crown]

Oh yeah. That's huge for high corruption IMO. But I think the more armor you have, the less effective each point of armor becomes. I think

[safe grail]

interviews are at 1. thankfully

[safe grail]

that's why i said almost entirely. i knew there was a lightning dmg mod on there lol

[full bluff]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

[hard orbit]

SO to conclude this math rant, my 2800 armor will become 7280, which is, bonkers?

[full bluff]

yes, pretty good

[stiff crown]

Looks like 5-7k is a good target

[full bluff]

If you are a runemaster with cfc shield too...

and flame ward 50% up time

[hard orbit]

what you mean if? ts ts ts

[stiff crown]

Plus lightning aegis

[full bluff]

and 30k+ ward

3k/sec ward gen

logging off sorcerer

[safe grail]

sorc is so much fun tho D:

like im enjoying what im putting together here i just wanna see it get to a decent corruption lol

[full bluff]

yes, thats why I keep playing it, have 2 runemasters too, sharing gear, but I spend all the time on sorcerer now

[hard orbit]

lightning aegis looks kinda impossible to pinpoint

especially with twisted heart

[stiff crown]

Ah, I'm LL build. But I also hear it's bugged and has something to do with your ward or something

[safe grail]

Aegis will proc if 25% of your current ward is damaged

it is treating ward like a literal HP bar

[stiff crown]

So does it look at HP at all then?

[safe grail]

it probably does, but if you have no ward

[stiff crown]

Does it snapshot the current ward when I get the buff, and it's 25% of that?

[safe grail]

I believe so.

[hard orbit]

oh but I still dont play LL so my only source would be I guess an idol, which looks very luckluster

[safe grail]

yeah no im saying even as not LL

if you play a ward build

and you take 25% dmg of whatever current ward you have

you lose aegis

so it's either a mechanical bug or a tooltip bug

[stiff crown]

If I have 10k ward, then go to 20k ward without getting hit, it'll still pop off I take 2.5k damage then?

[safe grail]

well i guess i could test it by putting LL, snapshotting it and generating ward?

[stiff crown]

Let me know what you find

[safe grail]

sitting at 1864 rn

so i'd take 466 dmg and it'll go away

[royal gull]

3 monoliths left.. break time tho

[safe grail]

it seems as if it snapshots current ward when applied

so

i applied it at 2250 which would allow me to take 562 damage

i then went up to like 3.5k

which would allow 875 dmg before it breaks

i took 500 and it broke

a tad dog meat tbch

[stiff crown]

If you refresh the buff, does it re snapshot

[safe grail]

yes

[stiff crown]

Thanks for testing

[hard orbit]

so the only good way to have it is with LB

[safe grail]

ye

[stiff crown]

I activate the buff passively though LB anyway. It'll keep refreshing when if it pops

RM buffed again if it gets fixed to the tooltip

[hard orbit]

oh you play with dragoraths claw?

[stiff crown]

Yeah

Obviously, if it looks at HP only, it'll be better for me, but I think it's still valuable to soak up a big hit from Orobyss that could one-shot you. Because it should reduce damage even if a single hit does 100% of your ward, I'm assuming

[full bluff]

2 echos on runemaster and back to playing sorcerer

[versed forum]

Ignite spell blade seems good

[full bluff]

Wrote a small guide on my sorcerer build if anyone is interested in playing a sorcerer that plays almost as well as a frost claw / nova runemaster. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjPVoeb5acgumIWDhDONexA/community?pvf=CAI%253D

[safe grail]

You using focus for bossing?

[full bluff]

No, just for when I mess up the rotation or accidently cast too many meteors. It is not needed if you don't mess up

but when I mess up I am suddenly in -200 mana

[safe grail]

ah fair

[full bluff]

and nothing else I want to have on the bar, so it sits there for those moments 🙂

The best part is almost that it works very well without +frost claw skill relic

[safe grail]

yayaya for sure

it's another FC build, but it's a better version from allie's

lmao

[full bluff]

most fc builds function in the same way

just variations on them

[safe grail]

yup

everything else will hopefully get brought ups

so we get more variety.

[full bluff]

I am not a fan of the elemental nova variations. Doesn't work for me, too much on the screen and lights...

[safe grail]

i can agree with that

[full bluff]

Beta animations were better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUarrlnQxOo

Same after 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUgMBaHSdCA

I asked to get beta animation back 🙂

[safe grail]

lol it's so like

loud

Yo @full bluff check your DMs

<@&1082357055484071997> <@&1161418687471956101>

[sick falcon]

anyone got a skill they build around for fast monolith clearing? I wanna go faster and not use frostclaw

[sturdy summit]

I use frostclaw

for fast monolith clearing

[sick falcon]

Ive loved the greater fireball invocation but idk how to scale it into endgame damage

[safe grail]

you dont

cause it doesn't

[sick falcon]

are you saying frostclaw doesnt clear fast because tbh i agree. maybe im just lazy

[safe grail]

no i am saying that g.fireball doesnt scale

lol

[sturdy summit]

you could give Kyo's disintegrate build a try

[sick falcon]

huge bummer. that thing is as satisfying as a hellbomb

[sturdy summit]

and the hangover is just as strong

(a hellbomb is a coctail, right?)

I can't spell coctail correctly, because it's moderated

[safe grail]

yeah unfortunately EHG made a really cool skill w/ runic invo but all of the abilities suck or take too long to scale up to be relevant

and they also buffed FC while trying to nerf it

[wintry oasis]

He's talking about the small nuke in helldivers that's occasionally provided to destroy major tactical objectives

[sturdy summit]

still haven't tried that. been playing deep rock galactic recently, though, and hellbomb is definitely a type of beer a dwarf would drink

that's what my friends and I play when last epoch won't let us group because mobs refuse to die

[wintry oasis]

DRG is good

Tbh I think it's better in some ways than hell divers

HD is great if you find people who will voice chat

[royal gull]

Phili I did a revamp

[wintry oasis]

But I'm drifting off topic aren't I

[royal gull]

I realised I was making a DoT build and nothing about Flame Rush scales with DoT

[wintry oasis]

My favorite fire skill is the flame nova

It's just very satisfying to drag a repeating explosion over an enemy's face

[sturdy summit]

cool, are you dealing even more damage now?

[hard orbit]

hey hydrahedron is cool

pew pew?

or something got nerfed and I'm missing it

[neon lynx]

It’s ass

[hard orbit]

sadness

[safe grail]

It’s def ass. It got nerfed lmao

[rich badger]

was cool, now ass. a poem about every cool skill in every AARP ever

[hollow arrow]

👀

[deft fiber]

I find it impossible to play frostbite frost claw with beginner-mid gear without mana strike. I'm missing the exalted t7 sceptre, but that's just -2 mana cost, am I missing anything else? I have the relics for less mana consumption

[steel ridge]

red ring does not exist

"just target farm bro"

[verbal juniper]

Is there a good guide on a build for runemaster that focuses on frost claw but doesnt need too much LP/Gear investment to start for a fresh ccharacter?

[steel ridge]

I have been for a week, not one ring

[verbal juniper]

How do you target farm tho?

[steel ridge]

correct timeline high corruption ring reward echos

[steady sierra]

I think it would be easier if you're in CoF

[steel ridge]

I am

[steady sierra]

I havent tried it but im willing to test it since merchant guild is more like a money hog

[verbal juniper]

Do you spam ring prophs?

[steel ridge]

yes

I'd love to see if gear is being gatekept if you are actually farming for something

[verbal juniper]

Then RNGsus is not with you

[verbal juniper]

Gatekept?

I think the ring is one of the rarest uniques no?

[steel ridge]

like, I have not been able to get a certain bow on my marks, i go to runemaster and get the bow all the time high LP

same with Ladles from exiled mages. drops all the time for my marks, rarely for my runemsater

[verbal juniper]

Do you have a lootfilter on your dude that disables that?

[steel ridge]

i have lootfilters but they arent the issue

[verbal juniper]

Thats just subjective Heuristics dont lean into that

[steel ridge]

thats why I said sneaking suspision

its what the game is making me feel. its not fact or scientific

[sturdy summit]

First, make sure you have 3/3 Gift of Winter. Link your character using lastepoch tools import for more feedback. Btw, your name means "the spark"

[deft fiber]

yeah I know haha I like the word for it, let me link it

[deft fiber]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

here you go

its still pretty scuffed but on mana management besides -2 from the sceptre idk what I can do

[sturdy summit]

you need to hit save and link that

[deft fiber]

lmao I know sorry

was distracted

[sturdy summit]

👍

[deft fiber]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7wNxqrB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 75

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (21) / Runemaster (47)

General:

▸ Health: 789, Regen: 18/s
▸ Mana: 196, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 418%, Regen: 43/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 54 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 162% / 116% / 79% / 60% / 94% / 85%
▸ EHP: 1,039 / 1,039 / 1,039 / 1,130 / 900 / 1,039 / 1,039

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 158
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (17)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (672)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Lightning / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Flame Ward (20)
• Mana Strike (20)
• Frost Claw (21)
• Flame Rush (20)
• Elemental Nova (20)

Used unique items:

• Frostbite Shackles
• Snowdrift
• Oceareon

[sturdy summit]

cool, looking

[deft fiber]

am I just spamming it too much?

[sturdy summit]

hmm, I don't use the bottom left nodes for getting more casts

also, you don't have celestial conflux

which, is a mana spender so I don't mean that's causing you to spend more

but I think that's a good thing to have

[deft fiber]

Ill remove the bottom left nodes for celestial conflux

I was waiting on a +to frost claw relic for that

[sturdy summit]

what does your fc cost become?

[deft fiber]

its 26 at the time, I'm actually testing it rn and it's not that bad

some levels before I actually couldnt use the build

[sturdy summit]

I'm not sure if it's possible to do the bottom left nodes if you are cold: the lightning builds that do that use 2/5 or more in Spark of Celerity, which we can't get as cold.

it might be possible with better spellslinger tier. but needs to be tested

[deft fiber]

which nodes you mean?

[sturdy summit]

the ones that add extra casts

when people do that, they get Spark of Celerity

[deft fiber]

I see

on maxroll they recommend these nodes before celestial conflux

[sturdy summit]

don't use maxroll

[deft fiber]

its bad for last epoch?? its pretty good for poe

[sturdy summit]

they don't check their advice thoroughly. It's good for really basic stuff, but don't trust them for anything beyond that

[deft fiber]

ty, nice to know

[safe grail]

hm

did they fix the interaction where closed circuit can proc thru dragorath's? @full bluff have you noticed this? Ik you have been testing it lately.

[deft fiber]

can you link me your build or a build guide for frostbite frost claw btw?

[full bluff]

yes it works fine, but the range node does not apply to chains to yourself

[sturdy summit]

this is my character. I'm working on a guide, should be soon. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgJvRbYQ

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,173, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 235, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 519%, Regen: 43/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 46 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 223% / 70% / 75% / 93% / 141% / 66%
▸ EHP: 1,440 / 1,468 / 1,392 / 1,568 / 1,468 / 1,468 / 1,347

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 235
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (104)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (651)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (21)
• Frost Claw (21)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Runic Invocation (21)
• Glyph of Dominion (21)

Used unique items:

• Frozen Ire
• Frostbite Shackles
• Snowdrift
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[safe grail]

well like im standing on the dummies rn and it's not bouncing to me

[deft fiber]

tyty

[full bluff]

bouncing here

[safe grail]

OH do i need chain lightning?

[full bluff]

stacking 12 times on me

[safe grail]

i mightve forgotten to spec that

[full bluff]

yes

[safe grail]

Ack. i missed it lol

[full bluff]

I have tested every single node and passive 🙂 had to know what works and what doesnt

[safe grail]

makes more sense now.

yeah i forgot that the one leading to closed circuit doesnt work

[full bluff]

I hope they make the range work on chains to yourself

[safe grail]

would be cool.

[full bluff]

I prefer playing a bit further out

[safe grail]

Hard to adapt this for RM tho

:/

aight off to do some interviewing

[full bluff]

Have to stay at no closer than 4m and something like 8m

for everything to work at the same time

[short forge]

the maxroll guide for frostclaw is so confusing, it says "get crystal wand, arcane visage and arcane regalia and you'll have over 300 mana" how? i don't have 300 mana, barely have 200!

[stiff crown]

This is why I just use convergence instead. Closed Circuit is nice but I'm already close to crit cap and the 15 damage per stack doesn't seem to beat out the extra spark charge chances I get. Plus I can use Innate Conduit in case I'm out of mana since it's not chaining. So I get 3 LB hits with or without mana

It's also a 2.7% chance all 3 hits will apply spark charge stacks. 18.9% for 2 stacks. 44.1% for 1 stack. 34.3% for no spark charges.

Which averages about 0.9 Spark Charges per LB with 3 Convergence hits. But then Spark Charges applied with LB does 3x damage.

[hollow arrow]

👀

how'd fire build go ex

[stiff crown]

He's being fired. No pun intended

[hollow arrow]

[deft fiber]

@sturdy summit question, how do you have +1 to frost claw?

[hollow arrow]

twisted heart

[deft fiber]

oh true

[hollow arrow]

and nice phili, looks good

[sturdy summit]

thanks

[hollow arrow]

still working on my gloves lmao

buddy of mine made swaddlin gloves last night with t7 int t6 cast spd i think it was and block chance

sold em for 1.1b lmao

[split yacht]

is there any good unique amulet for runemaster or is it rly just exalteds like oracle or silver?

[hollow arrow]

i run omni for +1 to all skills and resists

but if you have unstable you can run exalted for some spell crit

[safe grail]

Fire build is good. @full bluff and I both agree that it could be viable, esp after they do some tuning

Uh

1 more interview

brb

2 down last one

[hollow arrow]

nice

[neon lynx]

It’s a great campaign build

[hollow arrow]

you're a great campaign weapon dep

[split yacht]

well i have pretty much all on lp1 with t7 int and the lp4 wand but i cant surpass 1,2k corrup currently my sparks deal 106k dmg

[neon lynx]

Easy to get with low requirements?

[hollow arrow]

i was gonna say dashingly good to look at and keep distracted during lvling alts

but that as well

you'll have to start getting lp2 and adding more slots of what you need then

int/spell crit, lightning crit on chest, so on and so forth it seems like

[split yacht]

is anyone here with runemaster at like 2k corrup?

[inner tinsel]

I’m at 1750ish

[stiff crown]

New patch. Doesn't seem relevant to us

[split yacht]

can u check dm pls? have some question if u dont mind and cant send screens here

[full bluff]

Something has changed in the patch, my ward generation is higher than before

Nvm, was just luck

[hollow arrow]

healing hands wasn't scaling before

might be more dmg now lmao

[short forge]

could anyone help with how to get 300 mana?

[lusty cove]

Hello,

1. Which Catalyst is better for Melee Cold Spellblade ?

Opulent Focus (Requires Level: 54)
+(8 to 16) Intelligence
+(32 to 54) Ward per Second
+(42% to 86%) Ward Retention

Chronolabe (Requires Level: 80)
+(12 to 18) Intelligence
(26% to 42%) of Mana Spent Gained as Ward
(12% to 18%) increased Mana Regen

It seems to me that "Mana Spent Gained as Ward" is better than "Ward per Second", but "Ward Retention" is better than "increased Mana Regen".

2. Does it even worth it generally to take Catalyst, or should you just dual wielding Crystal Sword or take 2H like "Alluvion" unique ?

[sturdy summit]

I dunno about spellblade, but when this comes up with runemaster, opulent focus is prefered. Ward retention is better than mana spent gained as ward.

[full bluff]

Peaking up to 30k+ ward in clearing ehcos on sorcerer, was usually at 10k. Something is off here now

[sturdy summit]

don't spellblades dual wield?

crystal sword x2 or crystal sword + shield is what I thought

[lusty cove]

This seems kinda tricky for me. Because I have Shatter Strike for main spammable, and it costs 19 mana, so I have very fast mana consumption and "Mana Spent Gained as Ward" should work very well. And I generate Ward with these melee strikes.

[hollow arrow]

did you update a piece of your gear redkatt

[full bluff]

Why does spellblades prefer crystal swords over the other types?

[hollow arrow]

just a little more cast spd or int can really change your build with dmg

crystal swords have elemental dmg crit and atk spd i think? cant remember

[full bluff]

probably, just cant figure out what

[sturdy summit]

figure out how much mana you spend per second, and turn that into a real Ward Per Second you can expect to see. I doubt it's more than 54.

[hollow arrow]

increased melee elemental dmg and increased elemental melee atk spd

on the base

thats why they want crystal swords

[sturdy summit]

^

[full bluff]

why not prophecy blades, they have more speed?

[lusty cove]

Hmm. Will do. Thank you 🙂

[sturdy summit]

however, you should probably dual wield swords

[hollow arrow]

less elemental dmg

some may not be the atk spd, but prophecy is good for more atk spd

[lusty cove]

In lastepochtools it shows the same Base attack rate: 1.16 for both

[hollow arrow]

it's the base

[sturdy summit]

the implicits

[hollow arrow]

prophecy has more increased elemental melee atk spd up to 50%

[full bluff]

I use dual prophecy blades with 180% increased speed in total

[hollow arrow]

crystal gets 14% i think max?

[full bluff]

but I dont care about melee dmg

[sturdy summit]

aren't prophecy blades bugged where they messed up the data entry?

[full bluff]

could be, thats why I am asking 🙂

[opal mountain]

Went in for Int and cast speed slam on my 2LP twisted heart, and all I got was endurance threshold and void resist😭

[hollow arrow]

yeah it does say 50 to 12% so it could be 5-12%

[opal mountain]

Worst feeling miss in the game imo haha

[steady sierra]

So

[sturdy summit]

whoever thought it was a good idea to use a rand(a,b) function that didn't require a<b was a fool

[lusty cove]

oh, it shows (50% to 12%) I thought it's a typo and it's acctually (5% to 12%), so worse than Crystal Sword.
But if it goes up to 50% it's interesting

[hollow arrow]

lmao

[steady sierra]

Is fireball build worth it? Or is lightning/static orb worth the chance to swap?

[hollow arrow]

wtf why did 2lp twisteds shoot up in price so bad

holy crap

they were like 80-120m a day ago lmao

now 400-1.5b

[sturdy summit]

fireball isn't a very strong spell

[steady sierra]

Probably less of them appearing

[steady sierra]

It isnt but im making do so far for emp mono, it takes a while but yea

[hollow arrow]

christ

it's nuts cuz RM prices are still climbing every day

everything else is stayed the same or went down lmao

[sturdy summit]

I think the biggest problem with fireball is it doesnt help you generate ward, so you'll be more fragile

[steady sierra]

The build im using helps generate 1.3k ward consistently, its enough with flame ward up

[hollow arrow]

jelkors is still about 300m for 3lp

[sturdy summit]

1.3k is a tenth of what you need in empowered.

[hollow arrow]

fkin nuts that RM is damn near most expensive class to gear up

doesn't even reach the corruption of marksman lightning blast build or acolyte dread shade build

lmao

maybe i'll try out a blast build now then sheesh

[sturdy summit]

dread shade, is that a necro build?

[hollow arrow]

yeah

[sturdy summit]

awesome, I have a necro from beta :p

[hollow arrow]

lmao

[sturdy summit]

I'm playing legacy because that's where my friends want to play.

[hollow arrow]

ye

man most of the stuff for lightning blast build i can get for cheap

only the 3lp jelkors really costs anything

and the exsa

this build this guy is doing is at 2600 corruption

lmao

[steady sierra]

Though that might be true, im just making it by the way i can

[sturdy summit]

I wish you luck. I hope you can make it work.

[nova linden]

Can you link the guide? Getting to 300 mana takes more than just those three bases

[sturdy summit]

check the blessings used. Ending the Storm has a +mana blessing, maybe they're using it. But also, maxroll guides are notoriously unreliable.

[teal oasis]

Welp, let’s see how it works

[nova linden]

That's one thing yep, some passives also give a little bit

[surreal root]

also, if you're early in the build and don't have any of the +lightning dmg if you have 300 mana, there's no point trying to get there

getting to 300 mana and the bonus lightning dmg is like... 1k+ corruption stuff, don't have to have that immidiately

[royal gull]

For sure, and it is safer to use since I'm not putting myself in melee range all the time

I didn't find Frey's Retreat yet, but I did find Snowdrift

[sturdy summit]

any lp?

[royal gull]

What are lp for? I see them on stuff but never looked up how to use

[sturdy summit]

that's how you make legendaries. The number of points is the number of affixes it can get from an exalted item. Read the article in the game guide on Legendary

[royal gull]

I figured I don't need legendaries yet, got 3 more timelines to clear

[sturdy summit]

it's not too early to start making them, imo

[royal gull]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWVN2xZA

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 76

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (44)

General:

▸ Health: 964, Regen: 18/s
▸ Mana: 212, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 203%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 1 Dex / 52 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 118% / 95% / 126% / 12% / 58% / 55% / 56%
▸ EHP: 1,234 / 1,234 / 1,234 / 831 / 1,050 / 1,024 / 1,032

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 216
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (813)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Teleport (20)
• Frost Wall (20)
• Runic Invocation (20)
• Runebolt (20)
• Glacier (20)

Used unique items:

• Isadora's Gravechill
• Snowdrift

[royal gull]

This is about what I'm at currently

[sturdy summit]

t1 temporal sanctum is like level 50-60

cool, so you're using teleport now

[royal gull]

I fixed my mana issues by going back to Runebolt, but focusing entirely on using it to buff / build runes

Frostwall is focused entirely on damage and Frostbite application

Teleport is focused on the +600% Freeze Rate buff / armour buff / cooldown reduction / stun immunity

Glacier is fun as heck and helps fill up Runic Energy for double casts

Runic Invocation is back to manual casting aside from Frey's Retreat once I have it, but with that I am casting all 3 runes again so I have hits in the cast and it applies more Frostbite (since Blizzard alone can't)

[sturdy summit]

does that brass amulet have any forging potential?

[royal gull]

It doesn't

[sturdy summit]

well, frostbite's a good dot to focus on. I like it better than ignite, because it helps buff freeze rate, so it's both offensive and defensive

frostbite mage first line of defense is freezing everything :D

[royal gull]

Yeah, I'm mostly focused on Cold DoT in general though between Blizzard, Frost Wall, and the Vortices from Glacier, but it all stacks

[radiant sentinel]

woof i just hit this after 44 attempts

[royal gull]

I learned a lot yesterday in here about what doesn't cross over, namely +spell dmg and +base cold dmg don't increase Frostbite dmg

[sturdy summit]

yeah, frostbite's not a spell

increased cold damage works

[radiant sentinel]

ahh can't put an image in, but it's a Knowledge of an Erased Mage with +4 frost claw, +1 flame ward, some endurance and ele res

[royal gull]

It doesn't scale with flat +dmg though right?

[sturdy summit]

there's no generic +dmg. All +damage is either +melee damage, +spell damage, etc

[radiant sentinel]

the question i have now is whether this is worth using over a Twisted Heart with +3 frost claw slammed on it

[sturdy summit]

I think there is a unique that has +dot base damage, but it's not generally available

[royal gull]

Ah, yeah probably, but that is what I meant. Even if the Spell like Frost Wall gains +flat dmg, it will increase Frostwall's dmg but not the Frostbite it inflicts

[sturdy summit]

yeah, frostwall is a spell at the same time as a dot

but frostbite is an ailment, not a spell

[royal gull]

I even tried seeing if Glyph of Domination or the other Brands were worth looking into

[sturdy summit]

I use Glyph of Dominion to get my fire rune, because I use CFC invoke

[royal gull]

Part of realising I don't need Flame Rush was realising Glyph of Subjugation is just bad

It scales with a bad stat that nothing else scales with (+chill chance), which is bad because I don't need hits to inflict 3 stacks of Chill

I mean also it just isn't worth stacking just for Subjugation even if I needed to apply it faster

[sturdy summit]

glyph of subjugation is just to get the Branded bonus damage from the runemaster passive tree's last tier

[royal gull]

So I looked into the other brands and while I like the Fire and Lightning ones much more, they are not compatible with my core build

[sturdy summit]

too bad there's no cold brand

[royal gull]

The problem with that is you're putting yourself in a lot of positional problems to achieve it, which I suffered greatly from during Lagon fight 2

There is cold brand, that is Subjugation 🙂 But you have to "pass through" the target to apply it, not just hit them with the explosion at the end

[sturdy summit]

ahh

[royal gull]

It is the hardest / worst brand to apply and the only part of Flame Rush that could be considered a DoT

So I've redone all my passive points away from that now

I had a bunch of untested ideas that seemed fun and worked before things were too rough, but the crucible of progressing towards the final timelines has forced reality on those ideas 🙂

I'm actually tankier using Teleport and getting stun immunity + 500 armour on cast

Let alone the absurb 600% FRM buff

[sturdy summit]

I forgot it was that high. I unspecced teleport a while ago. I like it for its core function of moving you somewhere instantly. I also appreciate that I can get past annoying winding staircases while mapping.

so I use it as my "6th" skill

[short forge]

yeah sure https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/frost-claw-runemaster-guide#gear--header thats what i was thinking ! so not sure what the guide is trying to tell me, if there's a better one let me know

[royal gull]

So yeah phili I think I would still like Flame Rush in other builds, just not cold DoT

[short forge]

it seems that way! can you change the blessings before finishing the monolith timeline?

[royal gull]

I think it would be great in a Flame Aura build perhaps

[sturdy summit]

no, you get a blessing for killing the timeline boss, and can pick a new one every time you do.

[stiff crown]

Brand of Deception probably easiest to apply. But it takes 5 passive points

[sturdy summit]

requires lightning spells

[nova linden]

Are they even running 300 mana? Doesn't look that way to me

[stiff crown]

That's still easy, lol

[nova linden]

They have 192 on their planner with the end game gear

[sturdy summit]

🤣

[stiff crown]

Maxroll

[short forge]

thats whats so confusing!!!!

[stiff crown]

In a nutshell

[short forge]

didn't know that thank you

im lvl 82 now, anyone have a better guide i can follow? lol gets confused and frustrated 😂

[nova linden]

I don't think it's worth the investment to go 300 mana only for a little bit of increased crit, there are other ways of capping out your crit chance, but idk. It's definitely min max territory though

[sturdy summit]

this guide hasn't been updated since march 4, shows how much they care about it

[short forge]

desperately need something else to follow lol

[sturdy summit]

I'm waiting for mine to get approved. I wrote a frostbite fc guide.

[nova linden]

Spark charge or frostbite are both great for frost claw

[short forge]

not really what i want to do lol just want a ranged build to kill bosses with, struggling with that atm on whatever mess of a build i have right now

[inner tinsel]

Question for people who play frost claw builds, what’s the point of taking nodes for ele novas to proc of fire, cold and lightning? There is only one element we focus on right? It’s either lightning or cold, just wondering how much less damage if I only take one element? It’s way easier on my eyes too

[nova linden]

With crest of unity ele nova is always tri elemental

[sturdy summit]

tri elemental damage, but not trielemental tags

crest of unity is one of the most confusing items in the game, imo

because it forces people to really understand how everything works

[stiff crown]

I think it's just to expand the AOE and lower mana cost. The Nova is just to apply spark charge, I believe. The damage on nova is insignificant

[neon lynx]

It’s pretty simple to put the helmet in your stash and never take it out tho

[sturdy summit]

lol

[inner tinsel]

That’s not ele nova anymore, its a flashbang

[nova linden]

Yeah the build revolves around scaling spark charge damage

[inner tinsel]

I’m thinking I’ll just take cold for -mana then all points to lightning

[stiff crown]

Mana Strike spark charge can do that. But you'll be investing in melee attack speed and stuff rather than the meta that is cast speed frost claw

[short forge]

is there no ranged build that can kill bosses?

[stiff crown]

I literally just offered one, lol

[full bluff]

The maxroll guides have one good thing about them, they get you started, but you end up stuck on something, and have to figure it out yourself. Ending up with something completely different. Thats how I started.

[short forge]

oh i was confused by the melee component

[short forge]

couldn't agree more

[stiff crown]

Nah, you can turn it ranged. Plus with autoaim you can target things off screen. I just slapped this together real quick. Missing affix slots are flex slots. You can spec off Mana Storm branch in the Mana Strike tree for Repulsing Strikes if you want knock back to help you survive. I left a lot of wiggle room. The only thing you really need is the Enigma and Dagger https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaXMJMaQ

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (8) / Spellblade (28) / Runemaster (57)

General:

▸ Health: 1,287, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 134, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 722%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 6 Dex / 169 Int / 6 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 94% / 110% / 94% / 77% / 52% / 62% / 102%
▸ EHP: 1,643 / 1,643 / 1,643 / 1,801 / 1,330 / 1,448 / 1,643

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 257
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,040)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Cold, Fire / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Mana Strike (22)
• Flame Rush (21)
• Lightning Blast (22)
• Runic Invocation (22)
• Frost Claw (22)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Exsanguinous
• Dragorath's Claw
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Last Steps of the Living
• Julra's Stardial
• Omnis

[short forge]

thanks a lot for doing that!

[stiff crown]

Np. This would be easier if you are MG

[short forge]

mg?

[stiff crown]

If you want a stronger build, go with Frost Claw. But items may be harder to get since they're more in demand

Merchant Guild

[short forge]

its an intelligence, lightning, crit build right until i have uniques?

[short forge]

not at the moment 🙃

[royal gull]

I like BoD but yeah I would need a lighting spell with a hit property which would mess up my invocations

[stiff crown]

I get around this by using Dragorath and turning FC into lightning

[royal gull]

I'm not in FC either 🙂

[stiff crown]

Just saying

[nova linden]

You can deal damage with lightning frost claw as you transition into sparge charge with fragment of the enigma etc

[stiff crown]

It's pretty much this the whole way. Add in melee attack speed

[short forge]

okay great!

[stiff crown]

My more recent Orobyss kill at 1200 corruption. https://youtu.be/e6kQYtXg79Y?si=EWTTgL-YlnWVsXYd

[short forge]

spell damage is not useful right?

im trying to make it to corruption at this point 😂

[stiff crown]

It is. Your not using Mana Strike for damage, but to apply Spark Charge which is a spell

The only melee modifier you care about is attack speed. Then rest is lightning or spell damage.

[royal gull]

Can anyone tell me if the game uses snapshotted damage or not?

Like say I have 20 stacks of Frostbite on something doing 700 dps per stack, then I use a skill that buff that to 1000 per second

Do all 20 stacks now do 1000 per second or do they do the 700 dps they did when applied?

[full bluff]

I think I tested this a few months ago and found that it is time it is applied that counts

[royal gull]

So snapshotted

So I want to buff my damage first, then cast my damage over time

[full bluff]

I applied frostbite to dummy and used teleport for more freeze, and nothing changed

[royal gull]

Yeah that is what I'm doing, teleport or Glacier both buff it by about 300 each

[nova linden]

Some things in game use snapshotting, it's something that devs want to reduce where it makes sense

[royal gull]

So I need to teleport, Glacier, then Frostwall and Blizzard

[sturdy summit]

I think it's better when damage is snapshotted

it makes it a lot easier to reason about how burst window timings work

you want to fit as many casts as you can into one

and you don't have to worry about what you applied before it started

[royal gull]

It makes Frey's Retreat even better imo since you combine both main dmg casts

Well this makes my rotation easier, q w e r with filler right clicks of Runebolt to get mana and runes

[sturdy summit]

I bound R to space, because I always put traversal on it, and it feels like jumping

[full bluff]

same

[neon lynx]

my movement always goes on W

cuz forward

🤣

[sturdy summit]

that makes sense too. But I also wanted to use thumb for something

[neon lynx]

i sit on mine

does that count?

[royal gull]

I had tele on R but I need to get used to opening fights with it

I guess I could still, one of us, one of us

So how do I target farm items with +cold skills or are those just uniques?

[worldly thunder]

I've thought about remapping more, but mostly I make sure my movement skill is always on r so my panic response doesn't have to change

[worldly thunder]

I think that's only uniques? And you can get + skill on helmet, chest, and relic

[royal gull]

Only 2 items in the entire game that have it, and they're both bad for me

I think Branch of Hallows is meant for Primalists

The other is a body armour that is meant for Nova users

Well this was important information 🙂

Now I know I can only take 3 skills past 20 points then, correct?

Ahhh ok, but I'm saved a little by Frey's Retreat having Frost Wall levels

[urban bridge]

Guys how do you manage survivability? I can't think of a way to survive without breaking my whole build

[full bluff]

I stack up on armor and try generate as much ward as possible from different sources / ways / skills

[royal gull]

Ok The Shattered Cycle is neat and I want to try it 🙂

[urban bridge]

Can you do high corruption or arena 4 etc with that alone?

[royal gull]

ah.. but I'd lose a heap of damage on my non-Invocations

[full bluff]

Depends on what you think is high corruption. I am just in corruption 700. But could probably go to 1000 if I wanted

[urban bridge]

that's very high for me. I just get one shot at arena 3 or corruption 100

[full bluff]

Some do 2200 corruption with ward / armor tanking 🙂

[urban bridge]

I feel like there are way too many stats to focus on with 7 resistences, crt, elemental damage etc

[royal gull]

So I need helmet +Runic Invoc levels, body armour +Glacier, and relic has even more Frostwall if I wanted that

Laplace it gets easier if you dig into the details, like how Vitality also gives 2 resists

[urban bridge]

I've got stuck after I started the corruption. Main reason might be because I'm trying to play meteor sorc but there should be a way to make it work. I finally managed the mana issue and damage but I feel so weak defensively. I was trying to go for HP, crt avoidence, all resists, ward, dodge, armor so it felt impossible to achieve all

[full bluff]

It is hard to make meteor work well as the main damage skill

[urban bridge]

my main defence is actually the flame ward with 3 stacks

[full bluff]

You should not be getting hit a lot or often

Most solve that by killing everything before they reach them

[urban bridge]

yeah but that's usually not possible with meteor as it still has a fall time even though I have harbinger of stars

[full bluff]

yeah, meteor is hard to make work, I gave up to use it as main attack

I tried the black hole + meteor combo

[urban bridge]

Would you suggest ignoring any of those stats I mentioned? 'HP, crt avoidence, all resists, , dodge, ' I have 62% crt avoidence just from the blessing though

[urban bridge]

I don't use blackhole, I can stream my build if you have time. I really would love to hear some feedback

[full bluff]

Not to discourage you from the meteor path, but my best advice would be to support it with another damage skill, for kiling

and use meteor more for the occasions where it would shine

[urban bridge]

I thought about using fireball build as it's quite similar in terms of stat needs but I didn't actually felt the need in terms of clear speed. I just need a way to survive

No worries, I already played enough with meteor lol. I just want to use it to farm stuff for future builds. I just like challenging myself with finding out a build I enjoy. Otherwise, finding a meta build and copying it just gets boring very quick

[full bluff]

I understand 🙂 Meteor is the challenge I keep working at, but not getting far yet.

So I farm with "meta" build instead

Frost claw + meteor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k5xZNAiEXE&t=6s

Closest I have gotten to use meteor for something really good

Want to drop frost claw and have meteor be the main damage, but not there yet

[urban bridge]

wtf 10k ward how is that possible

that looks great but it's just a different build, it has some occasional meteors lol

[full bluff]

yes, meteor is just support and sorcerer "alibi" skill

[urban bridge]

could you send the build from planner for that?

[full bluff]

Planner and guide in description

[urban bridge]

I'd like to see the required items for reaching that much ward

[urban bridge]

aah cool

[full bluff]

Can get up to 30k ward in echos, 20k on bosses

Ward is from ward on hit rings, dagger and twisted relic

ward on hit rings does most of it

[urban bridge]

lol there's something wrong with my build. My meteor dps is 4.5m while yours is around 750k

[opal mountain]

Hot take: its way easier to actually get a twisted heart to drop than it is to beat Sanctum boss on Tier 4 lol.

[urban bridge]

I have the twisted heart and I can confirm lol

[opal mountain]

Julra has some weird one shot mechanic, and I only get 10-15k ward vs 25-30k on other bosses.

[stiff crown]

Do you require assistance?

[urban bridge]

God even after checking Redkatt's build, I still have no idea how you guys get 10-25k wards

[stiff crown]

Invite me and we can run one if you need the kill

[opal mountain]

I mean I have resistance blessings instead of the armor/crit strike avoidance, but Im still tinkering. I appreciate it. I'll let you know if I still come up short

[steady sierra]

Is frost claw+meteor better than the fireball build?

[urban bridge]

Is invoker rings are the best way to gain ward?

[crimson raft]

Eh, not really. But they're easy to get, and come early, and i guess you can work up a good amount of ward with a shock\lightning build.

[urban bridge]

What are the other options? especially for fire builds?

[crimson raft]

It's just that usually a twisted heart (lv80) is better, or depending on build\class misc gear with ward gained from health loss

[urban bridge]

I have twisted heart and my ward goes to 2k at max

[crimson raft]

Are you also stacking int for ward retention %? Cast speed? Life for more ward generation? Passives for ward generation?

[urban bridge]

I have 376% ward retention atm

I'm working on my passives atm to get more ward retention

[teal trench]

What subclass are you playing?

[royal gull]

Can anyone tell me why my loot filter sometimes just stops showing all loot until I tap the toggle button?

[crimson raft]

And i assume you're leeching the life loss from TH straight back with gear\passives or blessing?

[urban bridge]

sorc. Is it worth to build ward per second?

[urban bridge]

yeah I'm using fire lifesteal passives

[teal trench]

Idk I play spellblade and the most I’ve seen mine is 30k

[crimson raft]

Ah, sorc. Okay...erm..the problem is you're not RM, so you can't cast Reowyn's Frostguard 😛

[urban bridge]

I'm definetly doing something wrong lol

[royal gull]

Laplace it kind of seems like you're all over the house, you said you're trying to get armour, dodge, and ward?

[teal trench]

I only go up to 20-30k cause I dual wield max roll Humming Bees

Without those it’s maybe up to 10k

[royal gull]

Sorcerer is the definition of a "glass cannon", I would imagine you should only concern yourself with stacking Int, then some Vit where you can like in Idols or passives, then focus everything on Ward generation and retention

Then just kill them first, and if you're using Meteor then you need to set them up with some kind of control like stuns or freezes

Like have you tried Frost Wall to control things then meteor?

[safe grail]

Sorc is 100% not just a glass cannon lol

You can make sorc solidly tanky

W/ dmg still in tact

[royal gull]

Why would you though?

[safe grail]

Ah right you havent gotten to like

Decent corruption yet

[royal gull]

So you're saying you build armour and dodge on your sorcs?

[safe grail]

You cant just blast thru the game unfortunately

I build armor/ward on sorc or rm

[royal gull]

Strength and Dex?

Armour seems viable from passives, but you wouldn't take Strength would you?

[safe grail]

No

Outside of twisted heart at least

[teal trench]

I’m doing 300 corruption without maxed resistances but I need mobs around me to survive

[crimson raft]

Blessings and gear have flat armor and % armor

[neon lynx]

You can just blast through a lot on rm

[royal gull]

Yeah like that is what I mean when I say glass cannon, you're only really building Int and that only buffs Ward, so Ward should be your priority defensive layer then take Armour (and some Vit) when you can

[urban bridge]

Yeah after I saw some people mentioning maxing all stats, they were still struggling, I thought I should max every defensive stat as well. I now learned that going for armor and ward is the way

[crimson raft]

Ward is just sponge, like hp. Armor is mitigation. You always want both.

[safe grail]

You basically never take vit

[royal gull]

You don't get as much passive defense as other classes

[safe grail]

It eats up a prefix slot that is just too valuable

[urban bridge]

I just need to find some other source of ward gain. I have jura and twisted heart atm but it's not near enough. I also increased my ward retention to 424%

[royal gull]

Ex I don't know what end game idols are like, but I look for Vit on them so far since I don't see "Int" idols

[hollow arrow]

alrighttt am full and fat now

[safe grail]

Yeah no. There’s far more valuable idols than +1-3 vit

Early those are okay to stack up resists and vit

[royal gull]

Good to know, it didn't seem very good 🙂

[safe grail]

But beyond that, not great in end game

[royal gull]

So again, we're pigeon holed into only focusing on Int, which is tied to the worst passive defense method, which means we are glass cannons 🙂

It is a great active defense and yeah you pair with armour, and resists

[safe grail]

Yeah idk how you say it’s the worst passive defense method

When ppl literally build up 20-100k ward lol

[royal gull]

Can they maintain that while idle?

[teal trench]

Don’t need to

[royal gull]

If not it is an "active" defense

[teal trench]

I just teleport into a mob and gain 10k off the rip

[short forge]

or? so it doesn't matter which one? like if i had a spell dmg already rolled, i wouldn't try to get rid of it for lightning?

[safe grail]

By that logic, armor stacking is not active either

[crimson raft]

Don't need to. You're always casting and generating more. Flame ward & Reowyn's depending on build.

[safe grail]

I can tp into mobs and gain armor

Or hit flame ward and gain armor

[teal trench]

I also use tp in the spot I’m standing to gain stun immunity

[crimson raft]

The only issue is if you have low ward retention so your big pile of xxK ward goes down too fast

[royal gull]

We can passively stack armour via items and blessings

I can passively hold 200 ward right now

[safe grail]

You can passively stack ward

[royal gull]

but it isn't effective at 200 is it?

[safe grail]

Via the same

You can literally have like

[royal gull]

A strength class passively has much more armour than we do

[safe grail]

5k idle

Some low life builds stack way higher

[royal gull]

So you're right, most of our defenses are active

[crimson raft]

We should talk EHP, not just "ward" and "HP"

[safe grail]

Ye

[royal gull]

Which again makes me think "glass cannon"

[safe grail]

Ehp is the correct phrase here

[neon lynx]

We should talk dead or alive here

What else matters

[safe grail]

LB sorc only alive

Always

Everything else. Dead

Duh

[hollow arrow]

if someone uses the low life build for ward

some have 10-20k ward at idle so

[safe grail]

Yeah

[hollow arrow]

hmmmmm lightning blast build looks fun

[teal trench]

You can always grab one of those items that give you ward per uncapped resist and just overload

[crimson raft]

Yeah but they usually have issues with regen\regain? Unless op paladin which just HH everything 😛

[hollow arrow]

frost shackles

tons of ward for cold resist

[teal trench]

Yup I’m running those

And the necro helmet

Who needs poison resist anyway?

[hollow arrow]

could run prismatic and exang chest

just slap int and hp on exsang call it good

[teal trench]

I like exang for the speed boost

[hollow arrow]

might get exsang and jelkors for marksman lighting blast build

hmmmm

oh it has base spell dmg

interesting

[teal trench]

How do I farm Omnis the fastest way? It’ll solve so many of my problems

[hollow arrow]

i've dropped a few from shade, not sure if that's the only place they come from

yeah it's shade corruption 200+

[teal trench]

It is but idk the best way to get to shade in monos

[warped crow]

i just noticed every other char gets their movement skill before/at lvl 8 except sorc

[teal trench]

Isn’t surge the last one in spellblade?

[warped crow]

yep

actually wait transplant might be lvl 9 too

id have to check

but the other 3 are 8 or lower

ye transplant is 9 ... i take it back'

[teal trench]

I wouldn’t know anything about other classes. In fact all I’ve ever played is spellblade

[warped crow]

lol

[teal trench]

I’m waiting to really hit a corruption wall to dig deeper into some mechanics

I haven’t even crafted anything lmao

[hollow arrow]

im at 600 lol, i need to start pushing more corruption

instead of building so many characters

[warped crow]

but ye lunge/shift/leap are all like lvl 4 ... then you got transplant and tp all the way at 9 lel

[teal trench]

Im not looking forward to eventually making another character and leveling

[warped crow]

dew it

[next lance]

for some reason i can't use chat?

i can't even message my friends in game

[teal trench]

Friend of mine started a few days ago I boosted his ass so many levels doing empowered monos

[warped crow]

lol

[barren pawn]

12k here, and im only at liek

[teal trench]

All he had to do was the side quests for idols and passive points

[barren pawn]

2k hp

[warped crow]

ye the biggest thing is ward retention/threshold lel

[unborn hamlet]

stacking cold res with shackles gang

[teal trench]

What’s realistically high retention? 3-5k?

[unborn hamlet]

im at 700% ward retention

😂

[warped crow]

never been anywhere near that high myself

probably like 150-200 tops

lel

[unborn hamlet]

5k retention is crazy

i mean u must be crazy in the head

[barren pawn]

its not possible

[hollow arrow]

im almost 600 ward retention

[barren pawn]

the theoretical limit is aroun 1200

[unborn hamlet]

if i do nothing i think im sitting at 1000ish

900-1000

[teal trench]

Are you talking about % ward ret or your actual ward while idle?

[unborn hamlet]

ward while idle

my ward retention % is 700 as i said

[barren pawn]

retention.

[unborn hamlet]

i dont have any decay treshold items

only armor base

[teal trench]

I feel like mine is at 900 if I don’t have exang equipped

[warped crow]

wouldnt be surprised if it got higher cuz all the stacking sources

[stiff crown]

It doesn't matter. They both have the same weight in the calculation. Just get whichever has the higher percentage

[stiff crown]

You can get a lot by stacking cold res with shackles, but I think sacrificing some ward to work on armor would increase your eHP

[warped crow]

to be fair EHP doesnt really matter much if you recover everything the second you take it lel ... just gotta stack up enough to not be 1 shot

[crimson raft]

I don't really have any ward unless i cast stuff, since i use TH. Current'ish build for my RM, i just put in 6k ward as a whatever. Mapping it's like 5-10k, bosses 15k'ish
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3ZNlVdB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,474, Regen: 37/s
▸ Mana: 165, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 632%, Regen: 38/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 3 Dex / 134 Int / 3 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 89% / 91% / 68% / 81% / 92% / 92% / 78%
▸ EHP: 19,972 / 19,972 / 18,578 / 23,398 / 19,972 / 19,972 / 19,972

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 295
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (95)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,950)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Arcane Momentum (5/5), Jagged Veil, Rune of Dilation, Runeword Hurricane, Flame Ward, Lightning Aegis

Used skills:

• Lightning Blast (24)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Runic Invocation (22)
• Frost Wall (21)
• Flame Rush (21)

Used unique items:

• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Strands of Souls
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[stiff crown]

I thought this too, but after a point, you won't be able to recover fast enough. Increasing your DR just makes each point in ward more valuable, and you won't have to recover as much ward to make up the eHP lost.

[warped crow]

true

thats fair

[scenic dock]

Some mob types just stun lock me and i cant build up any ward at 600 corruption. Any idea what might help? Dodge the Echo?

[unborn hamlet]

stun avoidance

[scenic dock]

So its mandatory for higher corruptions

[unborn hamlet]

It's not, just kill the mobs before they touch you, or just dodge them

The mobs that stun are usually the ones that have telegraphed attacks

Tho at really high corruptions, everything will stun you no matter what

Lightning elementals are about the worst

Hard to see them, and they hit you off the screen, most of the time you don't even know where they are firing at you from

[sturdy summit]

I wonder how long it takes letools to approve a guide

[unborn hamlet]

Just get that check mark right from the get go :easy:

[crimson raft]

There's the hybrid health and stun avoid affix, which is pretty good value imo, but rare.

[sturdy summit]

oh yeah, they're even worse than the artillery plants, cause their attacks blend in more than poison

[dire pike]

halo effect still bugged ? 😦

[crimson raft]

Don't even know that one, heh.

[dire pike]

Lightning blast passive (top left of the tree)

[crimson raft]

Oh humm, yeah never tried that, it's in the opposite of where i went

[full bluff]

yes, tested it 2 hours ago

yes, as in still bugged

[dire pike]

sad, tried everything to make it work, completely changed the tree and so on, nothing made it work 😦

thanks for the reply tho!

[full bluff]

been waiting for a fix for a while now, thinking there is something I don't get about it, but cant figure it out

[dire pike]

yeah that was what i though as well, but haven't figured out if that's definitely a bug or a brain fart on my part. Guess i'm leaning more toward a bug now 😄

[hollow arrow]

The worst enemies for me now are the uhhhh lithacs?

I somehow always end up in the explosion after they die lmao

[full bluff]

ice barrage ones gets me from off screen

when I am looking at something

[nimble shoal]

even worse is the damage they deal directly to frame rate... lol

[full bluff]

I played ice barrage a lot and it was a frame rate killer, especially in arenas

[neon lynx]

Sounds like people starting to figure out the downside of these rm builds 😂

Gotta sit there and pre stack all ur wards at the beginning of echos before u start clearing

[misty turtle]

Any one click button build?

[safe grail]

lmao

[urban bridge]

Okay @full bluff after checking out some other builds, most people actually stay at the similar ward and hp as me. The reason I'm dying is mostly a skill issue at this point

[safe grail]

@stiff crown it hath been decreed

[waxen shoal]

lvling a RM, are 2h staves better than 1h and book?

[stiff crown]

They're becoming self aware

[royal gull]

@waxen shoal just use the weapons that make the most sense for your build

[stiff crown]

I heard the Never Late passive was bugged and it's applying crit to everything. Not at home so can't test

[shadow abyss]

If i want to farm for more then 1 lp Julras stardal should i just farm T1 julra since its 100% chance the ring drops or is it better chance it gets more lp when farming T4 even tho its a less drop chance?

[sturdy summit]

Theoretically, catalyst has an edge because of better itemization, and because the Mental Catalysis passive provides +48% Crit Reduction with one.

[waxen shoal]

whats catalyst?

[sturdy summit]

an offhand book is a type of catalyst

[waxen shoal]

ohh ok

ty!

[stiff crown]

Higher level zone means higher chance of LP

I don't know the exact values but I would suspect T1 would still be your best bet. Just my gut feel

Also corruption increases LP but that's a dungeon

[hollow arrow]

hmmmm never late may be bugged eh?

would have to check that out

i'll equip and see if it adds to all

i go from 69% crit for everything

to 84% crit with that passive on for a second

that was only at 1 point into passive, 2 points doesn't seem to increase it more

[zinc pewter]

is there any good low cost sorcerer buid?

[full bluff]

yes

[zinc pewter]

which one

[full bluff]

frost claw + spark charges 🙂

low cost if you do it without +fc skills

[zinc pewter]

:/

[safe grail]

yeah p much any build rn that is good is LB or FC flavored

all the other skills are just kinda ass

[hollow arrow]

hmmm so fire build in future ex?

i'll start getting the gear

lmao

nvm that was julras popping up with my crit kurii

honestly not seeing a change with never late

[warped crow]

what types of things do you even do with spellblade since like 99% of the tree is just melee exclusive stuff

outside of the generic shatterstrike and flame reave

[safe grail]

wdym

spellblade is the melee mastery

it's not going to be a caster tree lol

[hollow arrow]

if i wanted melee i'd do lightning blast marksman

lmao

[sturdy summit]

I need some ideas for frequently asked questions.

[hollow arrow]

lol phili, made a cracked little amulet for some crit

[sturdy summit]

oh yeah?

[hollow arrow]

https://imgur.com/a/ZqTU33b

didnt expect it to seal

[sturdy summit]

wow, t3 seal, nice

[hollow arrow]

yeah it was t1 and i tried to seal at t2 and t3, t3 went

and didnt take no FP so i lucked out

so figured i'd try to max out crit multi

surprised it went, swapped poison resist into health

puts me from uhhhh

72% crit to 90 spell crit

adds 18% total

[sturdy summit]

is that counting base crit from skill trees?

[hollow arrow]

yeah

well thats my idle

[sturdy summit]

nice

[hollow arrow]

so using skills would put me over

cuz of julras

so i'd be 105% with julras triple buff for 4 secs

tho i may not need the amulet tbh since im at 72% idle

87% with julras

downside is resists take a hit without omni on, plus -1 skill point

so depends

[sturdy summit]

does it let you drop crit anywhere else?

[hollow arrow]

not really

maybe idol

i'll get a copy of my build

lemme put my gloves on real quick with stats, instead of these empty swaddling

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qk2ElXOA

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (22) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (66)

General:

▸ Health: 1,358, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 287, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 568%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 16 Dex / 148 Int / 6 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 84% / 126% / 57% / 57% / 63% / 63%
▸ EHP: 2,552 / 2,552 / 2,552 / 2,477 / 2,000 / 2,107 / 2,107

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 272
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (75)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,609)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (23)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Elemental Nova (23)
• Runic Invocation (23)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Blood of the Exile
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Julra's Stardial
• Omnis
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[hollow arrow]

my boots need int on them, that rolled failed but it put movespd on it so i kept them for now

and i may do a +3/int roll twisted in future, but hearts so expensive rn will take awhile

i tried to get spell crit on omni, but that failed and went hp

[sturdy summit]

I haven't been playing my main much since last week because I've been so consumed with finishing the guide. Now that it's submitted, I should go back to gearing up, but I'm still submitting additional changes as I clean it up...

[hollow arrow]

lmao

i would have more on this tbh

but keep going back to VK and messing with it

[sturdy summit]

what are some good frequently asked questions that pop up? I tried to put the most important ones into the front of the guide rather than at the end, and now I'm having trouble thinking of others.

[hollow arrow]

whats the best rm build lmao

maybe some general ideas for other builds aside from yours

or for the other masteries i mean

[sturdy summit]

I've now got "Is this the best build" and I explain what it's best at.

[hollow arrow]

lol

good idea

[neon lynx]

"why am i always out of mana?"

[sturdy summit]

:D

that's a good one

[neon lynx]

"is this build as good as bugged x meta build?"

[stiff crown]

Skill issue

[next lance]

lightning meteor/fireball is fun, even if inferior to fire

[neon lynx]

"does kuri smell like foot cheese?"

[stiff crown]

That's my soap scent

[neon lynx]

make sure thats in the guide ^

[hollow arrow]

"is kurii as good as rumors say?"

answer: no

[stiff crown]

RM players are not good

[hollow arrow]

thats why i play it

lmao

my blind and deaf arse needs an easy way to play this

i could do HH pally but takes too long to kill anything

[glad island]

does immolator belt work with the novas casted from frost claw? I'm trying to decide whether to use spidersilk sash or get a unique belt for frostbite runemaster. I got too much poison res from my current silk belt, trying to min max and find a better usage

[sturdy summit]

If you're doing frostbite, your nova is probably not a Fire skill.

[hollow arrow]

ay phili

wait nvm i remember you posted your build above

[white cedar]

are there any items or mechanics that take advantage of uncapped fire res? ive got 170% rn, partially by chance and partially to activate the bonus on blazing flux (flame rush cdr), but it doesn't feel worth it just for that

[violet lily]

The only thing that comes to mind is Sorcerer's Black Hole's skill node that gives Ignite Chance based on Uncapped Fire Res.

[warped crow]

all i can think of is flamerush and black hole

i think theres an uncapped lightning res passive tho somewhere

[barren pawn]

flame rush cooldown

thats it afaik

there's a flamerush build pushing 600+ rn

p good

[nimble shoal]

Ruby Fang set, technically.... lol

[warped crow]

the sad part is that even with 150 fire res that passive is still the worst out of any movement skill cooldowmn reducer

pretty sure

[sturdy summit]

Urzil's Pride gives 1% mana regen per 3% uncapped lightning res

[nimble shoal]

and cradle of course, scales with all resists

[barren pawn]

enables a super short cooldown on flamerush, which with certain setups liek the one im gettin together = hahahahahah everything dies

[violet lily]

Very dumb idea here btw but has anyone tried a Lightning Sorcerer channel build making use of Arcane Ascendance, Static, Focus and just proccing Lightning Blast and Lightning Wave? Flat Mana Regen prefix on weapons are so good that you could possibly sustain Arcane Ascendance with Focus and just have lightning blast casts from Ascendance node + Static + Lightning Wave from Focus.

[warped crow]

that might be what im thinking of

lel

[barren pawn]

channeled lb is suuuuuper not good

tried that the other night

it seems like it would be, but its not

[violet lily]

No no no, I'm not channeling Lightning Blast. I am channeling Focus

[barren pawn]

proccing lb off channeleds also doent work too good

tested that too

[violet lily]

Like I said, super dumb, but just sounds really funny

[hollow arrow]

rip t7 LL affix

but has str/health regen

[stiff crown]

Let me see it

[hollow arrow]

maybe i can slap it on HH pally

u wanna see the gloves kurii?

[stiff crown]

Yeah

[hollow arrow]

sec

crap base gloves

https://imgur.com/a/YNiCKCX

[white cedar]

not really uncapped though, just hitting a certain threshhold and yea thats why i have so much rn but doesnt really seem worth it to overcap a resistance by 75%

[barren pawn]

ive got a pair of lp 4 liaths im gonna be smackin

[white cedar]

unless ofc your whole build revolves around it haha

[warped crow]

yeeeeeee

[stiff crown]

Seal the regen, slam it into a LP4

[hollow arrow]

lp4 what lmao

[neon lynx]

shackles

duh

[hollow arrow]

ah yeh will get right on that

[stiff crown]

Whatever you have

[warped crow]

would have been cooler if those passives actually scaled with the resists and didnt just say hit x resist threshold

[neon lynx]

cya in cycle 3

[stiff crown]

Stormpaw or something

[barren pawn]

damn

game wont boot with DD2 in the background

its like it knows i abandoned it

[hollow arrow]

hmmm

[barren pawn]

time to force it

https://imgur.com/a/iwSim9w part of the plan for my sorc

thanks to ex and a few other people cookin

aight time to close the game so i can play DD2 without it dying

[warped crow]

what does spellblade do besides flamereave/shatterstrike?

[neon lynx]

suck

[warped crow]

lol

[white cedar]

yea thats about it

you can also just pick spellblade and play a normal mage build if you wanna

[hollow arrow]

hmmmm

should lvl my alt but lazy tonight lmao

ohhh 1lp omnis with almost 30%+ every resist

[nimble shoal]

That's like basically all of their skills, but they can run static with surge or mana strike stuff like spark charges.

[warped crow]

ye was just asking cuz most of spellblade is hardlocked into melee skills

and there arent very many of those

feels like the most limited mastery in the game

being the only melee user in a char based around spells

[hollow arrow]

HH pally looks fun but man is that boss killing slow

lmao

[warped crow]

the cost of immortality xD

[vivid tundra]

A thing of beauty you have there

Lightning sorc is my fave

[warped crow]

lightning fireball owo

[hollow arrow]

yeah

i might look at low life lightning blast marksman

i love the ward builds lmao

[warped crow]

ward is cool

[vivid tundra]

🧙‍♂️
🔥
🪄
⚡
👌

[warped crow]

ward was cooler back when it was more exclusive

[white cedar]

right on brotha!!

[warped crow]

before they added the new ward base items ... and ward experimental affix

still cool just less cool

[hollow arrow]

lmao

let everybody have ward

dont gatekeep the ward

[warped crow]

ye but its a lot cooler of a mechanic when it fluidly fits into your kit

also the exclusivity made it unique

[hollow arrow]

looking at this marksman build with frost shackles

400% cold resist

lmao

the only costly thing on it is the soul gamblers fallacy and jelkors 3lp

everything else is low stuff

[warped crow]

lol

[hollow arrow]

well except for trying to slam stuff

funny part is the exalted belt you want is mana regen/lightning dmg/hp/hp

[stiff crown]

1363c now. Beat the last 3 Orobyss without dying. Jumped like 120c today

[warped crow]

op

[hollow arrow]

also why slam those gloves into 4lp kurii, just for lvling?

[warped crow]

flex

[hollow arrow]

lmao

only rly see those gloves for HH pally build cuz of str

[stiff crown]

For whatever LL str build

[hollow arrow]

ye figured

put cold resist in

maybe i can slam those into the 3lp shackles i got

hmmmm

that'd be money money

[warped crow]

lol

[hollow arrow]

need to farm for more 2lp twisteds