🧙┃mage

[soft elm]

found only 1 T7 and 1 T6 in 100hours

or switch to MG

[rich badger]

Things like this make me wonder why COF is even in the game when MG can just go buy it

[soft elm]

it depend on the build

[rich badger]

100 hours of farming or $1.70 worth of gold lol

[sturdy summit]

CoF is in the game because MG is having all its prices inflated by gold sellers and is unaffordable if you're not already farming high corruption.

[soft elm]

how many milion for that t7 affix?

i'm not into mg

[sturdy summit]

how many hundreds of million, probably

[soft elm]

ofc i failed the t7 on 3lp frozen ire :D, this is why i'm kinda quitting my frost RM

[neon lynx]

When are we deleting mg?

[scenic dock]

auction houses are the best things in arpgs

[sturdy summit]

I farmed 6 t6 spellslingers, and a dozen 1lp frozen ires. slammed them from worst to best, and when it finally hit it was on the best one.

[neon lynx]

Trading sucks

[scenic dock]

thats why you can go and choose COF

[soft elm]

is it worth frozen ire with 1 lp?

[sturdy summit]

yes

[neon lynx]

Delete trade

Make games better

[rich badger]

Yeah I’m never going COF again after this cycle

Absolute nightmare

[soft elm]

i went cof cuz i know myself and on others games i bought from g.seller

[sturdy summit]

if you buy gold, you're part of the problem

if you're doing MG and farming all your own gold, then that's fine.

but I'll spit on anyone who helps those spammers

[neon lynx]

Every single person on mg has in some way touched rmt gold

[soft elm]

like 90%

[neon lynx]

Every

[sturdy summit]

dep probably means because if you're selling, you're being payed with blood money

[neon lynx]

You think lil Timmy farmed 75mjl to buy your mid t7 exalt?

Nope

[cold sand]

only COF players are pure

[nimble shoal]

Offline MG players are the new vegans

[cold sand]

PURGE THE REST

[sturdy summit]

I'm not going to get mad at people because other people are buying gold. But if you're buying gold, stop.

[soft elm]

Offline you can use mods and really enjoy the game

[rich badger]

I’d rather just have target farming that actually works

[sturdy summit]

the only thing CoF is bad at target farming is boss drops.

[gritty pagoda]

Who tf buys gold, this game barfs gold onto you

[rich badger]

And specific required affixes

[soft elm]

if they fix this will be awesome

[sturdy summit]

people trying to afford 1.5 billion gold items on MG

[gritty pagoda]

Shrimply grind for it

[soft elm]

i have only 3 mil with 100h, what i'm doing wrong?

[sturdy summit]

you're not cheating

[gritty pagoda]

That but that seems low, what corruption are you running at

[signal iron]

I got a +16 int relic to possibly use for a legendary only to brick it by trying to upgrade levels 😭 Now I cant dupe it

fml

[gritty pagoda]

F

You’ll get the next one

[soft elm]

400, i slow played

[signal iron]

ive been grinding for so long 😦 All I do are relic prophecies 😭

first one in like 400 corruption

[gritty pagoda]

Fair, are you selling idols? ( or have their prices crashed)

[sturdy summit]

people who are running 1000 corruption are selling boss drops and t7 double exalts and idols for huge money. If you're CoF, the only thing you need gold for is Arbor. But if you're MG, a best in slot idol could go for 20 mil.

[soft elm]

i will not grind for a t7 affix, don't give a f..., it's not mandatory and i don't min max

[gritty pagoda]

Yea

Almost all my money has come from high corruption -> mostly good drops -> selling them

[rich badger]

It’s mandatory for some builds. Ex., I’m finding frostclaw unplayable until I get at least a T6 mana cost reduction

[gritty pagoda]

I like viewing every decent drop as like 5% of the drop I want

[sturdy summit]

have you tried using a wand?

[gritty pagoda]

Because gold 👍

[rich badger]

My sceptre is T5, so -3, but not enough

[sturdy summit]

hmm, I was able to manage with a sceptre with no -3

[rich badger]

Constantly OOM.

[sturdy summit]

but getting the -4 made me positive

so -3 ought to be good enough

[gritty pagoda]

Did ya get all the minus mana cost nodes in claws tree?

[rich badger]

Of course

[sturdy summit]

also, frost claw eff idols

[gritty pagoda]

Huh

Share your tree?

[sturdy summit]

get 28% mana efficiency with frostclaw

[soft elm]

Just don't use the left side of tree

[rich badger]

Yeah I need that, but no drops yet

I’ve only ever seen one 7% efficiency

[sturdy summit]

make sure you've got the blessing for ornate idols from Outcasts.

[rich badger]

Also haven’t seen that come up in 18 kills 🙂

Woohooo

[gritty pagoda]

This is why I’ve made bank on selling idols

[sturdy summit]

oof

[gritty pagoda]

Owie

[rich badger]

Love SSF

Also, never again in this game

[sturdy summit]

well... are you rank 9 COF? get 3 ornate idol lenses and do W side prophecies :p

[soft elm]

it takes forever to go rank9, i'm rank8 90%

[rich badger]

I am, but I have my lenses set to the double rewards and dropping all favor on sceptres

Maybe I should change

[sturdy summit]

sceptres are east side

oh, right, I get what you mean now

hmm, what double rewards lens?

[rich badger]

I should’ve been more clear

[soft elm]

i try to craft t6 dmg/mana foudn yesterday into 1lp 119% frozen ire

[gritty pagoda]

Did the worst thing get slapped on

[rich badger]

Double cost, but double drop amounts and double instances

[sturdy summit]

ah, right, that one

hmm, maybe I should consider those

[gritty pagoda]

That’s a nice one

[rich badger]

They haven’t worked out for me yet though so, big grain of salt haha

[sturdy summit]

at the end of the day, their effect is not really to drop more items, but to lower the cost of prophecies by like... 10%?

[rich badger]

I think it’s also easier to double cost but double everything also if you’re doing weapons

Since there’s so many, fishing for one can be expensive

[sturdy summit]

when I used 1 sceptre lens, I saw no difference, but with 3, the chance of getting a sceptre prophecy went from "almost never" to "sometimes"

[neon lynx]

Fc never should’ve been made popular lol

So many people struggle with it

[barren pawn]

^

it require sway too much to come online for monos for the average user

[sturdy summit]

frostbite is fine

t6 sceptre isn't nearly as bad as +3 FC relic

[rich badger]

I’m finding it to be a strictly worse blast rain marksman

[barren pawn]

sceptres are easy

[rich badger]

Which has no mana troubles, the same CC, and is faster

[barren pawn]

• 3 relics arent

[safe grail]

I think FC is fine to be popular

But the problem is people want the EXACT build of a content creator

Instead of going an easier route to start like crit claw or frostbite

[sturdy summit]

yeah, people don't want to play the game, they just want to win the game

immediately

with no effort!

[safe grail]

Lol yeah

I played (i think it was macin or katt’s) crit claw for like a week

Where you use runebolt to build and claw to spend

[cold sand]

I usually just use the builds as a baseline and then branch off into my own thing

obv getting the exact build is pointless because it'll depend on your RNG and drops

[sturdy summit]

that's what you're supposed to do, yeah

[soft elm]

without broken frozen ire or +3 relic you can still memage to do 600+ i think

[full bluff]

You can do 600+ on runemaster with just some frostbite, basic claw and ice barrage

no need for any hard to get gea

[safe grail]

Yep

[sturdy summit]

snowdrift boots are a common drop

and you don't need to get them with LP

[signal iron]

I dont have any +fc and at 700 so yea dooable

I only have 87 int too

cause all my legendary smashes fail :(((((

[sturdy summit]

are you doing cold?

[signal iron]

naw fc nova, nova is my fav mage skill

[sturdy summit]

cold uses nova, too....

[rich badger]

Fireclaw would be sweet if ignite wasn’t awful

[signal iron]

although will say being forced into reowyns frost guard at 700 more often 😦

my cast speed is garbage too

(why am I continuing to play this build?)_

[sturdy summit]

why does everyone think fc nova means spark charge? it's so frustrating.

[signal iron]

thres another fc nova build?

[sturdy summit]

any build that uses frost claw to cast elemental nova is FC Nova

[hollow merlin]

What’s the higher corruption levels Spellblade can get to currently? Reasonably

[sturdy summit]

frostbite also uses the frostclaw and nova combo, and so does cold crit, and so does any frostclaw build that's not dragorath, pretty much

[safe grail]

Depends on the build. Frostbite can do like 500-900

[hollow merlin]

Any you recommend? I was thinking shatter strike

[signal iron]

ah didnt know the other builds use it too, thought it was just spark charge. Then yea spark charge build

[safe grail]

Yeah shatter strike frostbite is solid to push

[hardy loom]

I wonder how the dmg of dragorath fc+ lightning blast is compared to the standard one with ladle

🤔

[soft elm]

i'm rolling this on the new char

[hardy loom]

Every day I wish for a dmg calculator , a proper one

[hardy loom]

Ooo nice

I suppose it's not take much due to not having -3 mana that ladle has

Which can be solved with idols anyways

[scenic dock]

well i tried drago yesterday and ladle is just big amount more dps

just because of the flat atk speed at the 100 int i have and also the ailments multieplier

[sturdy summit]

sometimes you can't really see a build's true power immediately, because you need to fix all your other items too

[scenic dock]

i did gear changes and also went up to 20 mana regen to be able to spam frost claw with all those skill points on the bottom left

i leveled lightning strike to max and tested

it sucks

[hardy loom]

😢

[sturdy summit]

20 mana regen for dragorath? Is that really part of the build? I thought those bottom left nodes were supposed to sustain you entirely with 3/3 gift of winter. Mana regen is a wasted stat.

[scenic dock]

rng is not always in your favor

also frost claw costs 27 mana with drago instead of 23 with ladle

with 4/5 in the efficiency node

[sturdy summit]

oof

[scenic dock]

and also 2 idols with 14% efficiency

[hardy loom]

I had 3 stuff I wanna try with fc, frostbite (done), lightning fc (current) and Drago fc + lightning

Maybe fire fc someday

[scenic dock]

you have more defense with drago

coz it gives you flat all res 10-14% or smth

and also more ward generation

[hardy loom]

Defense 👀

It felt really nice to sit thru all of julra

[soft elm]

Not even close, i have these 3 points, -3 on wand, 2 idol with FC mana eff and i still go oom in 2 sec

[sturdy summit]

On the other hand, I have -4 on sceptre, a single 13% eff idol, 11 mana cost, and RNG can't screw me.

[neon lynx]

well yea. thats the problem with it being popular

99% of players are mouthbreathers who just wanna copy paste the build they just saw in the youtube video

🤣

[soft elm]

do you run full left of the tree?

[sturdy summit]

nope. I run frostbite.

[hardy loom]

I copied the exile boots and the helmet 👀

Failed int slam on helmet

[sturdy summit]

I don't even have the Spark of Celerity, because cold can't get that node.

[neon lynx]

slightly worse and requires more to come online

that build actually requires +ranks to claw

[hardy loom]

These stuff insanely overpriced for lp2

[hardy loom]

Icic

[neon lynx]

that was the build that i had originally cooked up to try when i made my runemaster

pip had all the geared and tried it

damage was almost as good as ladle

[soft elm]

why do you have 11 mana cost? i have 4

[neon lynx]

because he took nodes that increase cost

👀

[soft elm]

he told me no

[neon lynx]

theres nodes besides the multi cast that increase cost

[hardy loom]

oh do frostbite not take the bottom left tree

i took it when i played frostbite

[neon lynx]

i would think they would

[scenic dock]

it does

[neon lynx]

but dunno

more mana cost = more shield

and the multi casts sustain themselves

[hardy loom]

yeah i was so sceptical on the mana return lmao

didnt watch much videos on it

xd

[neon lynx]

idk if its intended or not, but each extra cast procs gift of winter rn

[hardy loom]

each bounce proccing stuff on hit is kinda

op

🤣

[soft elm]

i can't sustain it, i try again, dunno

[neon lynx]

your cost needs to be at or under 24 mana with the bottom left 3 nodes

to sustain

[soft elm]

losing the artor scepter node is kinda big

[neon lynx]

https://imgur.com/a/T5P6R5i

bina still has that node

dunno how good it is tho

[safe grail]

aight time to slam a spellblade

[neon lynx]

sorc failed already?

[soft elm]

with 20 point how it should be?

[neon lynx]

r u playing nova?

[soft elm]

yes

the old maxroll build

[safe grail]

Nah. Sorc is hella fun. But I got really good LL Trinity that i wanna slap on a spellblade and have wanted to since i started playing

specifically, i wanna do a LL reave build w/ jaspers to see if that's even fkn worth it

[sturdy summit]

can you do the bottom left without taking any Spark of Celerity, though?

[neon lynx]

thats what the maxroll guide has

[safe grail]

alternatively, I have a REALLY good 2 LP exsang slammed w/ armor and armor/crit avoid hybrid that i wanna play.

[neon lynx]

couldnt tell ya tho

i never played frost

[sturdy summit]

I might give it a try and see if it works

[neon lynx]

i sustain it with just 1 point in there

[safe grail]

so i have two builds on the table i wanna try out

[neon lynx]

maybe the t6 sceptre roll is enough

[sturdy summit]

I would like to be able to take the bottom left nodes for more casts, for ward as you said, but I don't need them to sustain.

[neon lynx]

to sustain without any

[hardy loom]

lmao i shud take out points from the mana efficiency on top right and spec into the ward on bottom tree as lightning fc

just to be that guy with 60k wardf

[neon lynx]

you only need one in that eff node

with ladle

[hardy loom]

ahh

ok

[neon lynx]

rest can go else where

[safe grail]

if you are doing sceptre

you get 1 more cost reduction than ladle

[neon lynx]

yeah thats why i said

[sturdy summit]

or 2 more, with t7

[safe grail]

right

[neon lynx]

u should be good without any eff points

for frostbite

[safe grail]

oh for fb?

[hardy loom]

nah this ladle cost me too much time to make

😭

[safe grail]

yeah you're gonna be chilling (pun not intended)

[hardy loom]

13 slams

[neon lynx]

yeah, you wouldnt run sceptre with lightning lol

[sturdy summit]

I'll give it a try taking bottom left nodes for more casts and see how it goes with sceptre

[safe grail]

you can do sceptre w/ fire or cold

i did it w/ fire

[neon lynx]

i guess fire got no base damage

to scale ladle

makes sense

[safe grail]

yeah

but also

firestarters is busted

[neon lynx]

any build with good base damage

ladle is just gonna blow anything else out of the water

[safe grail]

i also slammed a perfect 3 LP w/ cast speed, fire pen and something else

but yeah

[neon lynx]

needs a nerf tbh

[sturdy summit]

if only ladle's ailment buff applied to dots and not just spells ;_;

[safe grail]

ladle?

ladle got nerfed

coming into 1.0

lol

it had unlimited ailment stacks and did 8% sp dmg

i think

[neon lynx]

like the fact that ladle that just gives generic damage buffs. and still out damages a weapon like drago, that synergizes with the build and gives so much

is just goofy

[safe grail]

ladle needs to swap bases

so it's not on the base that gives -mana cost

that would balance it out

because now you have to invest into mana regen or reduction elsewhere

[sturdy summit]

what base should it be? the one that gives -5 mana cost?

or are you thinking it should be a dagger?

[safe grail]

it would be on a base that gives no mana reduction

[neon lynx]

a sceptre with actually good base damage would be cool

[safe grail]

so yeah

dagger or sceptre

[soft elm]

without nova u take ice barrage in frostbite?

[neon lynx]

but if its a sceptre u just slam - cost onto it

and its op again lol

[sturdy summit]

^

[safe grail]

OR

[neon lynx]

why cant wands and daggers get - cost

[safe grail]

have it add mana cost per ailment on the target

[hollow totem]

Just a fair warning idk if y'all saw or not but mcfluffin made a video basically saying the lightning marksman build for rogue is bugged and needs nerfed now and here he is on stream trying to cook a fc build so that's prob getting gutted next too:/

[safe grail]

or something. idk

[sturdy summit]

wands can't get -cost because they all have it implicit. -8 mana cost would be busted

[neon lynx]

whys he trying to cook something thats already a 5 star meal

idiot

[safe grail]

FC was p busted and got buffed and is still busted so ofc it's gonna get balanced out

[hollow totem]

That's what I'm saying

[safe grail]

but everything else is just gonna get brought up in response.

[hardy loom]

cuz his explo ballista got nerfed -

[hollow totem]

I didn't know it got buffed

[neon lynx]

that wasnt his build lol

[safe grail]

gift of the winter

was like

4% per point

not 12

[hollow totem]

Oh

[sturdy summit]

I just hope it gets balanced out by giving other spells more utility, not FC less

[hollow totem]

Dude about to get all the fun builds completely just nuked

[neon lynx]

RMs gonna be in a pretty bad spot without fc tbh

lol

[hollow totem]

This

[safe grail]

Frost Claw
-Shiver Shell grants 4 ward on cast (from 6)
-Fen of the Frozen now grants 20% chance to slow and chill (from 15%)
-Gift of Winter now grants 12% chance to regain 12 mana (from 4% chance)
-Reowyn’s Veil now grants 1 ward on cast per 40% freeze rate multi (from per 20%)
-On Through The Snow now adds 6 mana cost (from 8)
-Ever Onward now adds 6 mana cost (from 8 )

like FC literally got turbo buffed

coming into 1.0

that's why it's popular.

[hollow totem]

Hopefully they don't give the community the blizzard treatment and make the mistakes that d4 made.

[pine prairie]

I've not been here in a while (put the game on hold for a bit) but man, can I rant a little? I just saw this YT video that was like the epitome of optimizing all the fun out of the game.

[neon lynx]

welcome to online gaming

you new here?

we over optimize everything

[sturdy summit]

"It's RUDE To Be Bad At Warcraft" by Dan Olson

[pine prairie]

Like he literally just recommends grinding monoliths for hours on hours to create the perfect build-neutral twink items, so that every new character you make from now on will play the same way forever?

[safe grail]

o the raxx vid

[hardy loom]

sounds normal

[safe grail]

why would you not want to blast thru the campaign and early levels? lmao

you dont even need to go grind LP items for twinks

[neon lynx]

i mean, if u dont wanna speed up ur alt leveling dont do it lol

[pine prairie]

Why would I not want to make the game boring for myself?

[neon lynx]

i dont see a problem with that video

[pine prairie]

Is there a problem with me?

[neon lynx]

no

play however u want

[safe grail]

nah not at all

[hardy loom]

diff stroke for diff folks 😉

[sturdy summit]

I think rolling Weavers Will 20 items while levelling is a lot of fun.

[neon lynx]

well. the problem with u is u care how other people play the game lol

[safe grail]

like i originally didnt wanna make alts to play other mage specs

[pine prairie]

I do?

[safe grail]

but then realized that i can twink items down

[pine prairie]

When did I say that?

[neon lynx]

if u have a problem with his video

explaining how you can do it

ya

[hardy loom]

u coming here to rant

[pine prairie]

When did I say I have a problem with the video?

[neon lynx]

, can I rant a little? I just saw this YT video that was like the epitome of optimizing all the fun out of the game.

[safe grail]

I've not been here in a while (put the game on hold for a bit) but man, can I rant a little? I just saw this YT video that was like the epitome of optimizing all the fun out of the game.

literally implies

lol

tf

[hardy loom]

u know what a rant implies

[pine prairie]

I am ranting a little yes, but I don't think you should jump to conclusions a bit.

[safe grail]

Yo manock why do you come in here and constantly troll?

no memes

you've been doing this

[pine prairie]

Troll?

[safe grail]

since you joined this discord

you come in here and troll/rant

[sturdy summit]

"Let me rant, but don't jump to conclusions yourself!"

[hardy loom]

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
rant
/rant/
verb
speak or shout at length in an angry, impassioned way.
"she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"

[safe grail]

whatever

intentionally starting stuff up

[neon lynx]

more like mancok

[safe grail]

like why?

[scenic dock]

imagine being mad about a game

[pine prairie]

I don't understand why you people always like to accuse me of trolling. It's getting really annoying.

[safe grail]

there's literally no way you come in here

[hardy loom]

xd

[pine prairie]

I'm not mad about anything.

[safe grail]

say can i rant

say this video sucks the fun out of the game

[sturdy summit]

I don't think you're trolling, but you should let us rant a bit if we let you rant a bit.

[safe grail]

say you aren't mad

there's no way this is real and that you aren't trolling

I absolutely fail to believe it

[pine prairie]

I suppose but don't accuse me of stuff I'm not doing please.

[hardy loom]

[neon lynx]

fk u raxx ur sucking all the fun out of the game for me

[pine prairie]

I don't recall saying the video was bad though.

[soft elm]

it's a sign that i need to roll dragonrath build, 3lp now looted

[pine prairie]

Nice way to twist my words.

[neon lynx]

i didnt quote u

those are my words

if u dont wanna min max, dont min max lol

i dont see the point of this rant

[pine prairie]

Like, I don't think there's anything wrong with that if you want to play that way, different stokes for different folks. I'm kind of surprised that I haven have to say this.

[warped kraken]

lol goteem

[hardy loom]

i cant

[pine prairie]

Can't what?

[hardy loom]

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
implied
/ɪmˈplʌɪd/
adjective
suggested but not directly expressed; implicit.
"she was aware of his implied criticism"
this word suits

[neon lynx]

someone showed a way to play the game that i dont want to do! must! rant!

[warped kraken]

we have different opinions but seeing this is an ARPG... most people play it to minmax, thats what is fun... not campaign but monoliths and grinding loot @pine prairie

[safe grail]

nah now im convinced he's trolling

[pine prairie]

Can you stop doing that? It's goddamn annoying.

[warped kraken]

why are you so offended by his opinion

[next lance]

I’m actually legit curious, not trying to be offensive or anything, but do you have Asperger’s or autism? The way you’re acting is very close to the way another guy I know acts

[pine prairie]

Calling me a troll is an opinion?

[warped kraken]

yes thats how he thinks, ignore it and move on?

[safe grail]

Okay better yet then. Please stop spamming Mage channel w/ offchannel topics:

🔹4. Don't spam
Please use channels for their intended purpose. Don't repeatedly post messages or spam long messages to disrupt conversations.

[gilded merlin]

hi, what are caster weapons? is scepter one of em?

[hardy loom]

the meaning of "implied" circumstances are everywhere around you, not everything is a "i didnt directly say it, therefore i do not mean it"

[neon lynx]

i actually cant believe some smart guy was sitting there trying to name a disorder. and thought "hmmm ass-burgers is a good name"

[pine prairie]

So if someone accused you of a crime you just ignore it?

[warped kraken]

trolling is a huge crime you right mb

[neon lynx]

sceptre wand dagger staff

[safe grail]

You just said trolling is an opinion

[neon lynx]

anything that gives spell damage

is a caster weapon

[safe grail]

then in the same breath said this

actually wild.

[gilded merlin]

thank u

[pine prairie]

Fine, this is valid.

I never said trolling is an opinion.

[safe grail]

Implies it

again

[pine prairie]

Like do you not see the question mark?

[safe grail]

but anyway. moving on from the topic

[cold sand]

https://i.imgur.com/XBaC9lA.png

rate my boots

[neon lynx]

4

[scenic dock]

i wanted to see real life boots

[safe grail]

screenshot, 1/10, boots like 6.5/10

[pine prairie]

Seems ok. Workable.

[sturdy summit]

das boot

[neon lynx]

no t7 int

[hardy loom]

1/10 - needs better screenshot

[cold sand]

wish it was frenzy and a different base but not bad overall

[sturdy summit]

no t7 movement speed

[warped kraken]

speed run juice now add the 2.5 cdr on traversal belt with jungle queen unique. and you are winning son

[next lance]

autism/aspergers makes it difficult for people to recognize/understand implications in writing/speech.

[hardy loom]

would u rather have, T7 movespeed or T7 haste

wondering

[pine prairie]

Explain this logic to me. So something can be interpreted to mean something, therefore this retroactively changes what I was thinking when I wrote it?

[cold sand]

text makes it difficult to understand implications in writing

you don't needa be autistic to struggle w/ that, that's normal

[next lance]

it’s worse for those with autism

[warped kraken]

very true, sarcasm and tone really goes over people's heads

[sturdy summit]

the movement speed. Haste is a lot of work for the same effect, not clearly better

[hardy loom]

u see, not everything has to be what you are thinking, no one is you. you go to a job, every action you do can imply some meaning to others

[pine prairie]

I am going to assume you do not mean to offend when you ask this.

[neon lynx]

or the majority of gamers on the internet are slightly autistic

[pine prairie]

Well yes, but when somebody tells me I'm thinking something even when I'm explicitly saying that's not what I was thinking it's different.

[neon lynx]

everyone got just a touch of the tism

[warped kraken]

tism gang rise up

[sturdy summit]

the internet makes us autistic because it removes our ability to read each others tone or body language.

[uneven carbon]

Hi, question for spellblade. Does Shattering Strike recast trigger Mana Reaver? or any or ward on hit passives?

[next lance]

not at all. I have a guy I know in another server who deals with it, and it causes quite a bit of unintentional conflict in a manner very similar to this.

[neon lynx]

tism within the tism. its a tism-ception

[sturdy summit]

badumtism

[pine prairie]

I do not really like to put labels on myself, but I can acknowledge that communication issues are a frequent occurrence with me.

[hardy loom]

mans really come here being all serious on others opnion

[scenic dock]

edgelord

[pine prairie]

Eh?

[warped kraken]

soooo anyways... runemaster yeah best mage class am i rite

[next lance]

understandable,

[next lance]

too much

[neon lynx]

rm mid

only real class is sorc lightning blast

with 600% cast speed

[warped kraken]

i just threw* up

[safe grail]

lol

[hardy loom]

ill never forget someone here typing of their WoW exploits and their Rank 1 something and some other "gaming" accolades. 🤣

cant rmb the guy tho

anyways , who cares

time to try the ward on frostcall bottom

[sturdy summit]

everyone knows invoker goes mid :sip:

[hardy loom]

can i go 60k

guess the frostcall travel time node isnt that good

*projectile speed

[pine prairie]

Well anyway I'm sorry for being a bit off topic back there.

[neon lynx]

stop trying to optmize. ur ruining manocks fun

[hardy loom]

lighten up

[sturdy summit]

happens to everyone

[pine prairie]

Can you stop?

[neon lynx]

hmmm

ill consider it

[pine prairie]

It's not constructive.

[neon lynx]

i considered it

nope

[pine prairie]

So you are just going to be making fun of me for no reason?

[neon lynx]

ur the one that said someone else optimizing the game sucks the fun out of it for you

im just trying to help u out

[pine prairie]

No you're not.

[neon lynx]

trying to make sure no one optimizes their build in your prescence

[hardy loom]

🤣

[pine prairie]

So you're ruining things for other people for the sake of some ficticious version of me?

[neon lynx]

" I just saw this YT video that was like the epitome of optimizing all the fun out of the game."

just trying to make sure no one else does this heinous thing to you

[safe grail]

can we back up for a minute and also recognize that having to play thru at least 5-6 chapters out of the campaign EVERY time you wanna roll an alt is unfun and bad design?

[pine prairie]

First of all, I think it's much better to just drop that. Regardless of how you choose to interpret what I said back there.

[neon lynx]

just wait til u play path

[hardy loom]

i hate grinding blessing

[neon lynx]

and have to do every act

[hardy loom]

im doing it now and my luck on rm is atrocious

[safe grail]

y u think i aint playing path

if thye do that in POE 2 itll be DOA for me

[hardy loom]

i got 20% roll on my rogue first try

[neon lynx]

they will

and skipping the best game in the genre is a disservice to yourself as an arpg gamer

tbh

[safe grail]

nah fk that

cause everytime i wanna play a toon i gotta do 12 acts?

absolutely not.

[neon lynx]

the difference is

if you want

[safe grail]

unless you can blast them in like

[neon lynx]

you can infinitely scale ur first character

[safe grail]

an hour

[neon lynx]

and play it for so many hours

[pine prairie]

Although it's fine if that's not your cup of tea.

[hardy loom]

man i heckin love this cuckoo+haste boots combo

[neon lynx]

blasters do infact make it through the poe campaign in like an hour lol

[safe grail]

then that is perfectly fine lol

this one just feels like a slog

[pine prairie]

I mean the reason I dislike the campaign in PoE is because leveling in PoE sucks. That has very little to do with the campaign itself.

[neon lynx]

i dont know a single thing that happens in any arpgs campaign

not gonna lie

[full bluff]

Should I tell McFluffiin where the bugs are or let him keep looking for a few hours?

[pine prairie]

There's lots of people like that.

[safe grail]

No no, there is no "it's not your cup of tea etc etc" if the campaign is not actively engaging (which is almost never is in loot based ARPGs like this) then it's objectively bad design

this is proven time and time again and when D4 tried to do it, people complained. POE gets away with it because they added content based on the acts

[neon lynx]

i dont think frostclaw has any bugs

tbf

let him keep lookin

[pine prairie]

Objectively and bad don't really go together since bad is an inherently subjective phrase.

[sturdy summit]

at least the campaign in last epoch has fun lore. I loved chrono trigger as a kid.

[safe grail]

yeah after playing WoW so much

campaign just feels like a chore to me

[pine prairie]

Isn't the elder who's in the end of time called Gaspar or something?

Similar in name to the guy in CT?

[sturdy summit]

yes, and the guy who takes you to the future? Balthas? That's Balthazar.

[pine prairie]

I think there's also a belthazar reference elswhere.

[hardy loom]

crazy wand

[pine prairie]

Oh right, that's the guy who is never heard from again after the first chapter.

[neon lynx]

nice link yeba

[hardy loom]

oh no

[neon lynx]

3rd tries the charm

[pine prairie]

At least it wasn't horses.

[sturdy summit]

I'm sure we'll find out what happened to him when they release the last 3 chapters. I bet he's stuck in the Ancient era. We've hardly done anything there.

[pine prairie]

I thought he wrote some of the notes you found around the ruined era.

[hardy loom]

hmm

this imgur sucks

or maybe i suck

😉

[sturdy summit]

yeah, he founded the Last Refuge, but then he left and went back into the past.

[neon lynx]

if u give the imgur ur sucky suck

it will suck less

promise

[hardy loom]

unlucky

[pine prairie]

I also kinda like the timey wimey shenanigans.

Coz characters frequently have met you before you've met them. XD

[sturdy summit]

in general, you're travelling backwards in time. Your first meeting with them is their last meeting with you.

[pine prairie]

Like, I assume you meet the gods during the ancient era at some point?

[cold sand]

is there a better way to farm exiled mages than necropolis streets? This doesn't really seem that good, maybe got nerfed?

[sturdy summit]

I think Eterra is the Forgotten Knight in the end of time.

[pine prairie]

I wonder if nanna your business will be relevant at any point.

[sturdy summit]

that's a CT reference, if my memory goes back 30 years ...

[pine prairie]

Wait it is?

[sturdy summit]

I'm almost certain, but maybe I'm full of it.

[hardy loom]

hmm is there even any point in speccing into reowyn's veil as lightning fc

[sturdy summit]

no

it's for frostbite

[hardy loom]

so just 3 into the shiver shell

[sturdy summit]

yeah, if you're not stacking freeze rate, it's not worth

[pine prairie]

I'm fairly sure the game also has a fair few fourth wall adjacent remarks.

Like how many people with epochs have stopped by the EoT before you.

[dusty steppe]

do u think its worth swap to frostbite version even if I dont have LPs on my uniques?

[hardy loom]

wonder if its any worth to spec nova fully into lightning

[next epoch]

Does maxed Fulmination on Surge grant 1 stack of Fire Aura per stack of Dormant Energy? Or is it just 1 Fire Aura whenever you trigger stack consumption

[hardy loom]

oh nvm it needs the mana reduced on frost

[sturdy summit]

frostbite does not require LP on uniques to start.

0LP snowdrift and shackles are fine.

[safe grail]

try it, but the way it reads is aura per stack consumed

[rich badger]

Getting shackles is not fun

[dusty steppe]

I have 8 shackles lmao

but like 7/8 0LPs and one bricked

[hardy loom]

im fairly certain frostclaw rm on exalt gear is still very strong (rm is just that strong)

[dusty steppe]

actually nvm, i still need good helmet and chest

[neon lynx]

it is

i just threw on random exalts i had in stash

and still breezed through a 500c map lol

[sturdy summit]

most builds need shackles with LP, but frostbite can actually use all the stats

[neon lynx]

just to show it doesnt require what everyone thinks it does

[safe grail]

unironically when @stiff crown says skill issue, i really think he means it lmfao

cause like

dep does this constantly

i've done it

lots of yall do need to just spend time playing the game

[neon lynx]

yeah i mean

its a lack of understanding how the skills actually work

[safe grail]

ye

[sturdy summit]

the reason I hang out here answering questions is because that's a great way to learn how the game works :p

[dusty steppe]

like there is my ignite FC with bad gear and I still smoothsailing empowered

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrmZVKmQ

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 87

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (52)

General:

▸ Health: 1,226, Regen: 29/s
▸ Mana: 214, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 399%, Regen: 154/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 0 Dex / 53 Int / 0 Att / 0 Vit
▸ Resistances: 161% / 64% / 88% / 33% / 38% / 18% / 0%
▸ EHP: 1,504 / 1,355 / 1,504 / 1,138 / 1,094 / 958 / 860

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 245
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (672)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Runic Invocation (21)
• Frost Claw (23)
• Flame Rush (21)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Static Orb (21)

Used unique items:

• Calamity
• Firestarter's Torch
• Strands of Souls
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• The Invoker's Scorching Grasp
• Ashes of Mortality
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[rich badger]

Was one of those random exalts a T6/T7 reduced mana cost weapon?

[hardy loom]

i only farm my unique on frostclaw when i find that bosses take too long to die

boots strong

[neon lynx]

no

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakeXNaA

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (26) / Runemaster (67)

General:

▸ Health: 1,452, Regen: 32/s
▸ Mana: 271, Regen: 17/s
▸ Ward Retention: 436%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 115 Int / 1 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 91% / 82% / 82% / 17% / 99% / 87%
▸ EHP: 1,888 / 1,888 / 1,888 / 2,091 / 1,191 / 1,888 / 1,888

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 321
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,192)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation 12% (101)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Lightning, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (23)
• Elemental Nova (25)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Static Orb (22)
• Runic Invocation (25)

Used unique items:

• Unstable Core
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[safe grail]

that wand is kinda nutty tho lmfao

[neon lynx]

yeah i mean

i dont hold on to crappy exalts

so they were all good

[safe grail]

yeah

[neon lynx]

but just random exalts nonetheless lol

[hardy loom]

busted class fr

[neon lynx]

https://youtu.be/_NCrvQfs5Ec

and like

[rich badger]

Can’t say like half the classes are busted though

[neon lynx]

it was actually really easy

lol

[rich badger]

RM doesn’t even touch warlock or falconer

[hardy loom]

its just a really easy class

free access to 2 skills cfc and fire ward

😂

even the passive tree has a elemental res node

[dusty steppe]

falconer is busted dmg but its pretty squishy

[hardy loom]

which imo is really strong

[sturdy summit]

what made starcraft broodwar such an amazing game was that every unit was busted. The game was balanced on a razor's edge, rather than everything being nerfed.

[rich badger]

Yeah nowadays everyone just nerfs everything until a major power creep expansion comes along, then the cycle repeats until the game dies

[stiff crown]

💯

[rich badger]

This is a super cool build that I can’t even envision how it’s played

[tall oasis]

are we talking sum of builds avg or single builds? bc RuneMaster has some killer specs

[pine prairie]

The thing with StarCraft is player stuff is only balanced against other player stuff.

[hardy loom]

oo static orb

[tall oasis]

Plasma Orb RM is incredibly powerful

[pine prairie]

If you just keep buffing everything into oblivion you're indirectly nerfing the content.

[safe grail]

The problem w/ anything that isn't FC or LB

on RM specifically

is you NEED gear

[pine prairie]

Needing gear in a game about getting gear?

Preposterous.

[safe grail]

????????????????????????

I'm talking about builds

please go away

[sturdy summit]

yeah, it's not as simple as perhaps I made it out to be, but what I was trying to say is that there's different ways for a game to be balanced. A game can be balanced and every option feels bad, or a game can be balanced and every option feels overpowered. You design for that, and scale the content accordingly.

[safe grail]

You're the type of guy to try to plasma orb w/ none of the required uniques to play it then come in and "rant"

[dusty steppe]

Yep +1

[hardy loom]

balance and arpg?

not a good combo

[pine prairie]

I like how this weird version of me lives rent free in your head. That's literally not how I play rofl.

I like how you made this conversation about me again for no reason.

[safe grail]

that's the impression i get of you

[tall oasis]

None of the super high end builds are just unique checklists. They're all pretty much affix checklists

That goes for the new super high end HH Paladin, as well as plasma orb RM

[safe grail]

no well like speaking on Plasorb specifically

you kinda struggle to play it solo unless yo uhave wrongwarp

[tall oasis]

The problem RM builds have is that gameplay is a bit more tricky than compared to what other classes do

[safe grail]

up until you get staff+JQ+Criterion

[tall oasis]

there's a lot more button pressing

[safe grail]

yeah it is definitely APM heavier for sure

[pine prairie]

I was playing an lightning aura spellblade then swapped to a spark spellblade when I got fragment of the enigma.

[tall oasis]

Like, both Rive HH and HH missile Paladin builds which punch very high are basically 2 button builds

while even Hydrahedron which took a few hits still requires basically entire skillbar

[sturdy summit]

I don't see that as a problem. I like clicking. I don't need the plasma orb rotations in my life, but I still like clicking.

[pine prairie]

Although I'm not sure if I'll revisit that character. It was an offline character I made back during launch.

[tall oasis]

Yeah, its the class identity with the RM and that's fine

im not huge on some of the potential lost combinations that this class has, but im sure its a few uniques away from being way more interesting

there are a bunch of invocations that can use their own buffing uniques to turn them into new builds

[pine prairie]

There are a few reason why I avoid the OP masteries, but the biggest one is I'd rather not play something that will get nerfed later.

[sturdy summit]

I think a lot of the balance problems also come down to certain classes/builds not having great itemization options. Some builds just don't have nearly as many uniques to choose from as runemaster does.

[tall oasis]

I don't play masteries for their output DPS, only for their gameplay

if something seems fun, i play it

[pine prairie]

I might make an exception if it seems really fun sure.

[rich badger]

Can’t escape that. Even warpath VK got nerfed for no reason lol

[sturdy summit]

I picked runemaster because hydra got nerfed

[pine prairie]

That stuff just happend some times.

[tall oasis]

EHG missed amazing gameplay possibility by not banking into echoing more stuff

[pine prairie]

But even if it does, I'd like to avoid things that I know will get nerfed.

[tall oasis]

This is why there's emerging none-ward builds now

[sturdy summit]

I don't think runemaster is going to get nerfed before the cycle is over.

[tall oasis]

they want to future proof themselves

[rich badger]

Next cycle will be the doom of RM and falconer

[pine prairie]

No but within the next few cycles it probably will.

[dusty steppe]

I still missing playing this build even it is iconic arpg build lol

[tall oasis]

yeah idk what happened to Warpath throughout the years, but its sad seeing it missing from the landscape in 1.0

[sturdy summit]

well, next cycle is a new character for most people. new opportunity to pick whatever the OP will end up being. Just make sure you're not relying on bugs, and you should be okay.

[rich badger]

They made it the squishiest build in the game for no reason like 6 months before 1.0

Wasn’t even a top build then

[tall oasis]

You want something that needs buffing, i'd vote 100% on the unique sorc abilities

[safe grail]

sorc def needs some love, but does more dmg than RM

[tall oasis]

they need to dig deep and start fundementally changing nodes in Sorc skills

[sturdy summit]

I want sorc's identity to be low-cast-speed, huge spells

[tall oasis]

nearly identity-less mastery

I want Sorc's identity to be all about flashy spells

multiplying projectiles, large beams

[rich badger]

The dive bomb of mage

[safe grail]

sorc needs more like

mana scaling in damage

that's how it should be

[tall oasis]

the passive trees also need a bit of a workout

[safe grail]

like you should get big rewards for having a mana pool of like 1500

[sturdy summit]

it should be like, build build build, METEOR

[barren pawn]

%spell damage and armor per x mana?

[tall oasis]

Meteor, Black Hole and Ice Barrage need a node overhaul for real

[safe grail]

it should have a node that gives you DR or Armor per mana yes, or even per mana spent

[pine prairie]

Well, I'd rather give a build a try post-nerf, provided it's still viable.

[safe grail]

but it DEFINITELY need a node that scales your flat spell dmg per mana

[barren pawn]

agree

and why are we even talking about buffs / nerfs rn? cycle two is stil llike 60 days away

[sturdy summit]

they should put ice barrage on the right side of the tree, and buff its defensive nodes.

[safe grail]

like RN, the bottm right node works to a degree

you get 15 flat spell dmg if yo uhave 200 max mana

[pine prairie]

But given how anyone and their mother is viable in this game...

[safe grail]

that should be scalable to whatever mana

[barren pawn]

Everyone and their mother is NOT viable

You can bsolutely have a build be non viable./

[safe grail]

because 60 days is still an epic containing several sprints worth of work

[tall oasis]

They also need to start inter-proccing of these skills. Much like the combination you have with the base Mage abilities between Elemental Nova and Frost Claw

[safe grail]

60 days = 4 full 2 week sprints of work

[hardy loom]

hmmm

crit strike multiplier blessings vs crit chance

for lightning fc

multiplier right?

[barren pawn]

which do you need more?

[pine prairie]

Kind of depending on your perspective. Anything is salvageable, most play styles can be figured out.

[tall oasis]

look at which one increases your effective chance, this depends on existing stats

[hardy loom]

i have 399% multi

[barren pawn]

and the cc?

[hardy loom]

74%

[barren pawn]

more cc then.

[hardy loom]

the builds i see just run around with 60+

🤣

[barren pawn]

more crit = better

instead of half your hits being crits at 4x dmg, think of ALL of them beign crits at 4x dmg

[hardy loom]

yeah i was thinking that i can take out some crit chance somewhere ...but more dmg tho

true

[tall oasis]

Is 74% also your during-combat CC? many builds run lower chance that increases from skills

[hardy loom]

i dont really know

[barren pawn]

the blesiing is also 80% soooo

[hardy loom]

its hard to tell numbers

cuz the rapid dmg numbers of fc

cant even see white numbers if it gets flooded

i took multi tho

39/40

[barren pawn]

meh

id hav egone with the cc but to each their own ig

[hardy loom]

its 50 50 for me

i like both

age of winter next

ah i hate grinding this

[warped kraken]

The thing about crit chance is spell crit chance exists. Which rolls at 175% compared to 80% at black sun being generic crit chance

[hardy loom]

ooooo

[warped kraken]

So take the crit multi at black sun and use spell crit chance t7 instead of t7 crit multi

If you wish, just my 2 cents

[sturdy summit]

I think that sounds legit

[hardy loom]

sounds good, cuz my amulet has spell crit / lightning dmg / armor shred

i feel like hp suffix seems pointless on fc rm

[stoic stump]

Is it possible to make a build centered around an invocation spell ? Or will I "lose" too much time trying to setup the runes between each cast ?

[barren pawn]

the 80% generic also affects your spell crit tho

Its a two fold stat

[next epoch]

Mad respect to this guy here in town with the account name First_Epoch

[warped kraken]

Yes but which is higher. 80 or 175?

Are you doing melee or throwing attacks that also benefit from general crit chance?

[barren pawn]

also where? there isnt a spell crit blessing

why waste a prefix slot on spell crit chance when you could go for something else because you are already crit capped?

[unborn hamlet]

@sturdy summit bro i need your help are u present

i just dropped 2LP shackles and im losing my mind, i dont know what to slam into them

[hardy loom]

sell it and un-lose ur mind

[unborn hamlet]

i got 1 pair of T7 cast speed and all good stats, but i also have much better gloves with 1 bad or 2 bad stats

[unborn hamlet]

imagine playing MG

😂

[hardy loom]

i meant

vendor it

😉

[sturdy summit]

what's up

[sturdy summit]

cast speed and freeze rate multiplier, if you're doing frostbite

[unborn hamlet]

yeye

[warped kraken]

Amulet, relic, off hand too

[unborn hamlet]

i guess ill just go with the safest bet then, the T7 cast speed ones

[hardy loom]

i would go hp% + cast speed or something general that can be reused

probably

[barren pawn]

Waste.

[sturdy summit]

i'm not certain, but I suspect the cast speed is better than FRM, even though getting FRM+Cold Resist is nice on gloves.

[barren pawn]

You can literally slot a more beneficial stat on them

and use the blessing to hit crit cap

[warped kraken]

You are getting half the return going for generic crit chance. And you don't reach cap. Guess it depends on the build. Spark charge has only 5% + 4% from gaze. So 80% of that is only 8 more crit chance. Maybe different builds have more, just one example

[hardy loom]

yeah im spark one

so it made sense for me

[barren pawn]

homie is already sitting at nearly 80% CC

[warped kraken]

Like nova has access to more

So does frost claw

You can run a T7 crit multi for 57 or a blessing for 40 crit multi with twice as much crit chance since it spell crit instead of generic crit chance

[winter crow]

Black sun gives 40% crit multi blessing, which is FAR more valuable than the 80% cc

not taking the crit multi on a crit build is trolling

[warped kraken]

Lol agreed 👍

[unborn hamlet]

decided to try ones that have poison res, and in case poison res lands, i can drop it from belt, which would open me up an option for a 4LP great slam on scavenger belt

[warped kraken]

I mean shoot. You can even just run T5 spell crit chance and get more (88%). Then still run the T7 crit multi amulet

[sturdy summit]

nice, sounds solid

[hardy loom]

is there melee builds that uses enigma

the x% more dmg applied by melee looks nice

[sturdy summit]

isn't there one that uses like mana strike or something?

[warped kraken]

yup mana strike

[hardy loom]

😮

[shell fern]

some manastrike setups yea

[warped kraken]

prob best on spellbalde?

[sturdy summit]

as I understand it, mana strike spark charge is best on runemaster 🤣

[shell fern]

Since you basically make manastrike function like a spell with the ranged node some ppl like it

[steady folio]

@sturdy summit Landed on Runemaster started yesterday. Using the Maxroll leveling guide kind of (keeping glacier) made it to 34. Got the fire version of Frostclaw going. Feels solid and very fun!

Love the ward gen for survival

[sturdy summit]

nice! a lot of people here will dunk on maxroll, but it's a fine place to start.

[warped kraken]

really lmao well runemaster does have that ward gain on boss node and on crit so yeah i can see it xD i was just thinking of the melee mastery bonuses from spell blade

[shell fern]

For manastrike you definately will want nodes from spellblade passives but the end half of the tree doesn't do much for this specific build

So yeah runemaster

[steady folio]

Yeah i feel the same it helps me to get started and I know i will branch to LE tools soon enough. I just like how well they explain things for brand new players

Eyeballing the electric frostclaw build or the spinny orb one once i get down the line

[young iron]

man, even with capped void res, rahyeh is curb stomping my sorc in the black sun monolith....and im lv 72 😦

[sturdy summit]

you have to dodge his hits.

the big voidy ones

[young iron]

they're all big voidy ones 😂

[sturdy summit]

yeah, you have to dodge all of them 😂

[sturdy summit]

but the ones where he drops a circle on you in particular, and when he does the pie chart? run around him counterclockwise. It's a rotation mechanic.

which I think just leaves the void trail 🤔

[hardy loom]

rahyeh is so annoying

flys away constantly

🤣

[young iron]

yeah, that's the one tagging me. just frustrating that it's a one hit kill for my character. perfection in mid tier boss fight is ugh

[sturdy summit]

the void trail is killing you?

[young iron]

the circling pie slice one

[sturdy summit]

oh, yeah. that one you can't facetank

you should be able to maybe take a hit, but not more than one

[unborn hamlet]

me not moving at all in that fight

actually i lie, the trail melts me

i move out of that

15k per tick is a funny joke 😂

[sturdy summit]

for the pie chart attack, figure out how close you need to be to him to move at the same speed as he fires, and just run around him without even trying to attack until he's done.

the faster your move speed, the farther out you go

it's possible to step back and forth between sections and attack in between, if you're really good, but if you're having trouble, just dodge

[shell fern]

personally i think rahyeh and julra are very nicely designed mechanically. 2 of my favorite bosses in the game

[sturdy summit]

yeah, I like rahyeh. reminds me of a FF14 raid boss: do the dance!

[hardy loom]

Rahyeh feels like the hardest among all the mono bosses

Other than a jacked up shade ofc

[sturdy summit]

what's your move speed at?

[hardy loom]

Nah I'm good dw, just saying

I can't imagine farming him in high corruption

[sturdy summit]

rahyeh feels like a boss where I can take 0 damage if I do it perfectly. Some other bosses are super chaotic, though.

hard to avoid taking some hits on Harton, at least for me

or Lagon. I don't particularly have trouble with him, but I simply will take some hits from those waves. Can't dodge every single one of them constantly.

[hardy loom]

yeah was a little annoying fighting him on ballista rogue

[unborn hamlet]

anyone else or is it just me lagging like crazy

[errant plank]

got some crazy lags today, never happened before

[unborn hamlet]

yea, i wanted to slam my gloves

[safe grail]

Skill issue

[unborn hamlet]

died to absolutely nothing in Julra 4 times now

the boss was long dead, then i suddenly die and teleport back to the boss room

[safe grail]

LOL

[unborn hamlet]

like

wtf is even going on

last try then i give up, game legit doesnt want me to slam these

[upbeat hollow]

is the flame burst (on fireball) number per 5 casts or per 5 hits?

[modern dawn]

Sorcerer seems underrated. Black Hole has got to be one of the most (if not the most) powerful crowd controls in the game. Arcane Ascendance is one of the best buff spells in the game, and the right side of the Sorcerer passive tree has some incredible modifiers.

[stiff crown]

Me

[safe grail]

Hits iirc. So additional projectiles should proc it

[upbeat hollow]

great to hear.

[modern dawn]

The only thing I'm not sold on, where Sorcerer is concerned, is Meteor.

It just feels like a weaker Volcanic Orb.

[upbeat hollow]

i'd say black hole is def the most stunning looking skill, but it's kinda lacking otherwise

[modern dawn]

That being said, I haven't tried out all the different uniques/sets that buff it

[modern dawn]

Why do you find it lacking? It deathballs everything, even bosses.

[stiff crown]

💯

[upbeat hollow]

that's the thing, it's fun on bosses, but impractical with a long cd on mono's

[unborn hamlet]

ok finally managed to slam.... everything works fine but as soon as u get into the Julra room the game just sh itself

[modern dawn]

Sorry, deathball is a niche term. If you aren't familiar, it's a mechanic that pulls everything into a single point so you can drop aoes with high efficiency.

[sturdy summit]

yeah, we know what a deathball is, but why would you need to deathball a boss?

[modern dawn]

you don't, usually

[upbeat hollow]

and the only way to make the cd lower... is to kill the pull...

[unborn hamlet]

@sturdy summit got freeze t5 and armour shred t5, unfortunately no cast speed, but its still a massive upgrade from my old gloves

[dusty steppe]

Fcking lost 2x T7 exalted wand cuz started watch it and mob oneshot me

FML

[modern dawn]

Deathballing for packs and mob clear

the fact that it also CCs bosses is shocking.

[hardy loom]

LE dont really need that

[modern dawn]

but not great

[sturdy summit]

yeah, that's not bad at all! Increased frostbite pen, Increased frostbite chance!

[modern dawn]

Yeah, I was disappointed by that too.

Thankfully there are some good CD reduction passives in the sorc tree.

[sturdy summit]

you know who has a useful ability for pulling enemies? Sentinel. Rive doesn't have a cooldown.

[modern dawn]

Rive pulls things?

[sturdy summit]

if you spec it to

[modern dawn]

That's neat. I know Tornado does, but haven't tried it yet.

[sturdy summit]

you pick up the pull node on the way to get the node that gets rid of the third attack

iirc

[modern dawn]

ah

[sturdy summit]

oops, it's not directly on the way, it's on a branch leading up

[dusty steppe]

so @sturdy summit what mods u mostly want on helmet and chest? chance to apply frostbite..?

[sturdy summit]

and frostbite pen

I managed to get a t2 sealed freeze rate per chill stack, too

[dusty steppe]

damn i had 0 chance to apply shards

i bet getting atleast chance to apply is pretty big to had before swap?

[stiff crown]

CoF?

[dusty steppe]

Yep

[stiff crown]

🐸

[dusty steppe]

I even pick all exalted chests etc

bad luck

[hollow arrow]

hmmmm might lvl alt today

[modern dawn]

every day is alt day for me

gotta figure out what I like

It's insane how every class has been fun to play.

I haven't found one yet that I was bored with.

I lied

Necromancer was a bit boring

Like, why they didn't give necro pets the same functionality as beastmaster pets is weird.

Beastmaster pets have their own activatable skills.

[dusty steppe]

still havent played beastmaster and void knight

and lich

[modern dawn]

Lich is super fun. Haven't blade VK either.

*played

Mechanic question:

If I clearcast a spell (like with the Teleport passive), do I still get the "spells deal increased damage equal to their mana cost" passive from Sorcerer Mastery?

[dusty steppe]

Hmm dropped t7 fire dmg belt, maybe i included it to my ignite build when farming gear to frostbite one

[short forge]

is it a good idea to change my build at lvl 75 before i have all the uniques for it?

[modern dawn]

I phrased that inaccurately:

If I clearcast a spell (like with the Teleport passive), is the Sorc Mastery passive "spells deal increased damage equal to their mana cost" counting that spell as its base mana cost, or its clearcasted mana cost of 0.

[dusty steppe]

does that build requires X unique? If yes then dont swap earlier

[short forge]

okay thanks i didn't wanna screw it up! what if its just a purple?

[lyric mango]

Guys I have a question, I have around 57 hours in this game so far, I went as Hydrahedron Runemaster Mage as first character. Is this build still in meta? I have heard some sort of Frostclaw build is better? Should I change?

[safe grail]

hydra is not meta, no.

[lyric mango]

Is there any sort of list of meta builds?

[safe grail]

no.

[dusty steppe]

Purple means exalted, its can be kinda hardeer to get. What build u run?

[lyric mango]

I wanna change before I'm too deep into this build

[safe grail]

look up frostclaw on youtube and check out some of the builds

[lyric mango]

Where can I read about some meta builds?

[short forge]

right now just the leveling up one on maxroll, want to change to another build i saw on lastepochtools

[safe grail]

wherever else you read about gaming content lol. You can look at some meta builds on lastepochtools

and some have videos associated with them

[neon lynx]

I like to go on YouTube and search “massively over powered meta build play before it gets nerfed”

[safe grail]

LOL

[dusty steppe]

wraithlord

[dusty steppe]

can u link it?

[short forge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRNg9LQ

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 926, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 134, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 476%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 125 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 132% / 71% / 132% / 61% / 72% / 95% / 63%
▸ EHP: 1,456 / 1,393 / 1,456 / 1,407 / 1,307 / 1,347 / 1,197

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 185
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,206)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (21)
• Flame Rush (20)
• Runic Invocation (21)
• Frost Claw (23)
• Flame Ward (20)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Fragment of the Enigma

[hollow arrow]

hmmm

time to find a frost fc build

[safe grail]

o?

[hollow arrow]

yeah im gonna do a RM for cof

and make it frost build

[safe grail]

o then just play frostbite

to start

ez

you do

crit fc w/ barrage

using Runebolt as mana gen

so builder spender

and then scale that into frostbite

[dusty steppe]

U just mostly want gear with high int + other stats

[short forge]

not sure i have that at the moment

[safe grail]

what build are you trying to change to?

o

FC Spark charge

[short forge]

but with my current build im getting one shot by the boss in reign of dragons, not sure how or why lol

[safe grail]

can you link your gear?

and current build?

[hollow arrow]

ngl i've been having fun with ranged mana strike on this build so far

lmao

shits so fast

[safe grail]

mage needs a ranged mana strike

that isnt mana strike

desparately lmao

[hollow arrow]

lmao

ranged mana strike with controller is hilarious

cuz it auto targets whatever is in range

i cant see any mobs and im killing them cuz it auto targets

[short forge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[safe grail]

need to hit share

[short forge]

oh okay

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJz6PJqQ

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 74

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Runemaster (62)

General:

▸ Health: 841, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 218, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 127%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 30 Int / 3 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 45% / 76% / 63% / 52% / 68% / 65% / 8%
▸ EHP: 1,125 / 1,472 / 1,312 / 894 / 962 / 931 / 614

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 168
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (465)

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Lightning, Fire / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (21)
• Mana Strike (20)
• Flame Ward (20)
• Flame Rush (20)
• Static Orb (20)

Used unique items:

• Prism Wraps

[safe grail]

yeah your build is kind of all over the place

that's why you are getting one shot

[livid dirge]

Really not ready for this boss!

[safe grail]

yeah

[safe grail]

if you are wanting to do this build, that's fine, it's possible, but you will need to play a different build to scale into this one

@short forge start w/ this guide to help you understand more about the game https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/frost-claw-runemaster-guide#gear--header

You should follow this guide up until the point where you get close to the "end game gear" setup in the gear progression

Then you will follow this guide:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRNg9LQ

[short forge]

no idea what im doing 😂😂

[hollow arrow]

thats why sorc is here

to help everybody

lmao

[safe grail]

fk i should change my name back

lmao

[livid dirge]

Lol

Meta build !

[safe grail]

Sometimes I sit in here and wonder if i should just like

write a build guide

for RM

[short forge]

im at advanced gear currently right?

[livid dirge]

Ex nice name

[safe grail]

No. you friend are at starting gear lol

[neon lynx]

Step 1. Don’t be dumb

[safe grail]

Step 2. Play LB Sorc