🧙┃mage

[grand frigate]

in this case i'm so confuse, why i have see on the wiki flat damage don't work

well i guess it don't work directly

[safe grail]

Wiki isnt always updated my man

[grand frigate]

that why

[bronze shore]

Ignite itself dont scalee with flat dmg

it scale with the ability dmg

which caused the ignite

the belt add more dmg to the fire skill

thus the fire skill have higher ignite dmg

[grand frigate]

yeah i get it, it's logic that way that somehow like poe or other arpg

[bronze shore]

since the ignite scale with ability dmg

[safe grail]

So in essence, if your base damage of ignite is 400 and you have a 6x multiplier on a skill (600% dmg) it applies it to the ignite dmg

[bronze shore]

if ignite scale with flat dmg then it stupidly op

since it will double dip

[grand frigate]

yea i get it know, interesting

[bronze shore]

the ignite dmg get increased by fire skill then it increasd again by the flat dmg

which a bad game desgine xd

[grand frigate]

but if i scale a ton of damage over time the belt will kill me right?

[safe grail]

Nah

If you have ward and resists it offsets

[bronze shore]

most build will know how to deal with the ignite

ignite warlock for example i heard is top tier meta xd

[safe grail]

Also worth mentioning ignite applies per projectile, not per cast

[grand frigate]

and that why frost claw is trash because it cleanse the ignite

[bronze shore]

yes sadly xd

you can ignore the self cleanse node but it will remove alot of projectile

[grand frigate]

jeez what a bad new for me i just finish a o, setup with all exalt t7 mod

[bronze shore]

like volley of glass and morditas hand

[bronze shore]

tbf you can still play

immolation belt is for min maxing

[grand frigate]

yea that work fine at 400 like i said

but i will not try to upgrade it

[bronze shore]

see you at 400 i think it already working pretty well

[grand frigate]

i'm a big poe player so i have more time to craft and theoricraft than playing haha

that maybe why

but some informations isn't really clear for now , it's cool to discuss with people that know

[bronze shore]

it still pretty insane that the dmg you get from immolator is kinda op
when stack to 40 stack a max roll belt will give 240 flat dmg

[full bluff]

The best way and maybe only way to make a build is to test it out in game. Description often miss out how things actually work, or it is bugged, broken or something.

[safe grail]

Can’t wait for FC to get balanced and everything else brought up

[bronze shore]

wdym it totally balanced

🙂

[full bluff]

The attempt to balance Frost Claw in 1.0 release, made the skill far better than it was in beta 🙂

and it was really good in beta too

[safe grail]

Yup

[grand frigate]

yeah i have just think, well flat damage don't work, time to just stack a skill with lot of increase and the good ratio beetween damage over time ignite chance and duration

[safe grail]

And everything else is objectively ass in comparison rn

[grand frigate]

so i haven't just try the belt that my mistake, foolish

[full bluff]

With old Frost Claw you really had to make some sacrifices for the different versions and ways of playing it, now you only get the good stuff 🙂

[bronze shore]

nah dont worry about it not many build can use immolator belt xd

[full bluff]

So if they keep balancing Frost Claw, it will be really insane in the end, how good it can get

[bronze shore]

i assume FC ignite have it own way to scale

but maybe harder

[grand frigate]

anyway i wish to switch frostbite if i do some juicy sale and grind a bit more corruption, i have see some ridiculous scalling from glove and boots

i just love dot build so if i can force it and not play the enigma spark charge meta i'm happy

[full bluff]

Frostbite with frost claw is great 🙂

Single target damage is way better than sparks

[grand frigate]

i have see all the non sense is from boots and gloves

i'm correct ele pen have no cap?

[full bluff]

yes

[grand frigate]

like you can pen 500% res

[full bluff]

There is no cap on the boots pen

[grand frigate]

yeah that seems op

[full bluff]

I have 4000% freeze rate, scales really well

[grand frigate]

jeez not a rooky number

[full bluff]

You can get to 5000%

[grand frigate]

i will try it i think i don't buy anything more for my build and just farm

[full bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LvRrm1Nhl4

[grand frigate]

i guess i can maybe climb 600/700 with my setup it's already pretty good even if the scalling isn't perfect because no flat

[full bluff]

My old build

The Dot damage gets really silly

[grand frigate]

thanks! i will check it later

[dusty steppe]

Bricked like 3x 2LP fiery dragon shoes. FML

[grand frigate]

anyway mistake or not i love learning and understanding different way to play and scalling

but i have this impression for now the balance isn't really good beetween uniques and classes :p

[full bluff]

I think internal balance in a class/mastery is more anoying. You end up back at the "best" skill all the time.

[grand frigate]

yeah true but i think the problem is more beetween defence uniques and mod on item

i mean you can have 10 ward per second on catalyst or playing twisted heart with some leech and have it x1000000

[dusty steppe]

So if I want swap ignite fc to like lightning one, does anyone know good guide on it

[grand frigate]

some modifier make no sense for me^^

[full bluff]

If they pulled the data on what people have in loot filters, you would get a list of the affixes that could be removed from the game 🙂

[barren pawn]

@buoyant bloom untested with sorc, but with AA it could potentially be more potent

[buoyant bloom]

AA is quite awkward to cast, due to the rooting in place

[barren pawn]

Disintegrate roots you in place as it is.

May as well gain huge buff while you are

You'll have enough dr that it won't matter anyways

[buoyant bloom]

True, but I end up moving from time to time, such as to avoid ground effects; if this were to automatically dispell AA, it'd be fine, but it just failes to allow me to move

[barren pawn]

Anything that gets close enough to hit you wont hurt

[buoyant bloom]

I guess a bigger problem is that the buff it gives isn't that good. It's 100% increased dmg base, as compared to 40% MORE with Glyph

What I'm wondering, though, is my second question. My calculations seem to show that the sole Disintegrate unique, Ignivar, isn't really worth it. I hope that's wrong, but that's why I wanted to check what your numbers are per tick

Mine right now are 550 (single beam, level 100 DR)

[barren pawn]

isnt really worth it?

It when combined with other stuff sends disintegrate to the moon

you wanna deal 300k+ damage with 6-20k ignite ticks? Copy the build above

[buoyant bloom]

That's why I'm hoping my calcultions are wrong somewhere 🙂 When I plug in your numbers (1704% spell crit, 137% spell damage on fire, 62 added damage, 546% DoT, all I get is 320 ticks. Granted, I ignored Ignite completely

This build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWX6629B

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 2,311, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 301, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 515%, Regen: 89/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 13 Dex / 104 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 106% / 90% / 38% / 6% / 19% / 94%
▸ EHP: 2,972 / 3,418 / 3,418 / 2,816 / 2,017 / 2,184 / 3,418

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 462
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,509)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 38%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Disintegrate (20)
• Glyph of Dominion (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Focus (20)
• Flame Ward (23)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Ignivar's Head
• Strands of Souls
• Foot of the Mountain
• Soul Gambler's Fallacy

[barren pawn]

Get tanks for both flame ward and dis

Ranks*

Huuuuge qol

Also your math is Hella off

No way in fekk does dis hit for so little at 1800% spell crot

[buoyant bloom]

Ranks as in +skill? I have +2 for Disintegrate, none for Flame Ward

[barren pawn]

Correct

Hold pls

[buoyant bloom]

But yeah, that's what I'm hoping to prove (for myself), because I'd like to be able to farm some more gear, rather than being close to full at my current level

[barren pawn]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0wVv3PA

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (29) / Sorcerer (13) / Spellblade (2) / Runemaster (69)

General:

▸ Health: 1,933, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 290, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 520%, Regen: 124/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 4 Dex / 102 Int / 4 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 66% / 75% / 96% / 54% / 38% / 42% / 42%
▸ EHP: 2,123 / 2,303 / 2,315 / 2,029 / 1,683 / 1,734 / 1,734

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 387
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (16)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (560)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 38%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Cold / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Disintegrate (23)
• Glyph of Dominion (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Focus (20)
• Flame Ward (22)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Exsanguinous
• Ignivar's Head
• Strands of Souls
• Last Steps of the Living
• Soul Gambler's Fallacy

[buoyant bloom]

That's your new one, the low life, yeagh

[barren pawn]

mmmhmmm

[buoyant bloom]

I did that one too, it's even less damage 😦

[barren pawn]

you fckd up somewhere then

340k hits withj 7-20k ticks against dummies

where are you testing?

[buoyant bloom]

I hope so

[safe grail]

Yeah nah Kyo’s build got tankier and then he found all the ways to make it stronger

[barren pawn]

I am DEEP in the guts of disintegrate.

[buoyant bloom]

My spreadsheet 🙂 It matches in-game perfectly for my current build (without Ignivar). 550 single, 1100 double ticks on level 100 mobs, or 4231/9464 on dummy

But yours are 340k, ticks?

That's standing on Glyph right. Still though, that's only 40%

Also, mine are Tier 1

[safe grail]

Hey here’s a question; Is the base crit of a spell an additional flat crit amount to add to my crit?

[hearty cypress]

how many stacks can u apply in 5 seconds btw

[safe grail]

Thoughts on this one

[hearty cypress]

base cirt is 5

i dont understand what that question is lol

[buoyant bloom]

Yes, but rather than being additional, it's the base amount, which is 5% for all spells

[safe grail]

I was essentially asking if the base crit of a spell is a separate modifier

[buoyant bloom]

Actual crit is (5% + any flat bonus) * any increased bonus

[safe grail]

Or if that base crit just exists as the same 5% on the character sheet

[buoyant bloom]

Ah, yes, the latter

That 5% is the base crit

[safe grail]

Yeah. Got it

Which would mean any additions to base crit wont show up

And need to be separately calculated

Time to plug it all into a spreadsheet lol

[buoyant bloom]

For a single spell, no; but if you have a bonus to all flat crit, it would

[hearty cypress]

yea well stats dont really show in that specifics

been that wayt for ages

[barren pawn]

link your build

[buoyant bloom]

I mean, how else to play this game? 🙂

[safe grail]

Nah i mean specific nodes in a tree lol

[quick herald]

How are fire / ignite rm builds? Been playing spark charge fc but keep getting shafted on LP rolls and binking crafts.

[hearty cypress]

i mean is it that hard

cause it feels like basic math to me

[buoyant bloom]

yeah, that won't show up, unfortunately

[barren pawn]

ignite is giga scaled

[hearty cypress]

not even sht talking

[safe grail]

Eh. Im a visual person

[quick herald]

Goga scaled

[safe grail]

So i’d rather plug it in somewhere and see it

[barren pawn]

giga. as in huge / big.

[buoyant bloom]

I don't have it on lastepochtools yet 😦 But, to be clear - I'm not saying that mine is better; I'm saying I want yours to be better, because I don't even have a single unique now, and I really want to have an unique for the main damage spell I'm using, even if apparently no one else other than you uses it

[hearty cypress]

its probably just viable

doesnt change the logistics of disintegrate itself

[quick herald]

As in bigger/huger/gigaer than spark nova fc?

[hearty cypress]

being a mainly stationary skill

like itll still take time to ramp up

i think it kills boss really well

[buoyant bloom]

yeah, I get why that's not ideal

[hearty cypress]

but im not sure about farming in general

[barren pawn]

It takes zero time to ramp up

I am at t3 near instantly.

[buoyant bloom]

Thing is, I chose it because the numbers seemed better than anything else, so it's puzzling why almost no one plays it

[hearty cypress]

like im not dissing you i just want you to know this

its not you

its me talking about what disintegrate is

however good it is, its not chanigng the fact that there are logistic issue aqbotu that skill

[buoyant bloom]

T3 takes 2 seconds (2.5 with the 50% dmg node, minus ICS)

[hearty cypress]

u say that it ramps up instantly right

but it doesnt burst

the ignite damage iwll take at least a second

[buoyant bloom]

Yes, certainly. And I'm fine with that; I just wanna know why my math isn't right

[hearty cypress]

not talking to u btw charodey, no offense

[quick herald]

Yeah how is clearing with disintegrate actually? Feels like dmg has to be nutty to have a even decent clear

[buoyant bloom]

It takes 0.5 sec to start, 1.5 sec to get to T2, and 2.5 sec to get to T3 (which are 2.5x and 4x damage, respectively)

[hearty cypress]

and u better hope that u have dr btw cause as far as i know defense isnt too great about it

[buoyant bloom]

With the 0.5 sec decreasable with ICS

[hearty cypress]

2.5 seconds to get to t3 is insane to me

i can do alot in 2.5

but i mean if thast what u like thats good

but i cant imagine grinding monos with it

just how the game is designed

[buoyant bloom]

I don't really need T3 most of the time, though I might start in higher corruption

[barren pawn]

feels nice most stuff dies to the first hit

so you walk around master blastin

[buoyant bloom]

My current ticks of 550 apply 8x a second, so it's 4400 dps per target

[barren pawn]

whats the actual beams damage

[buoyant bloom]

A second later it becomes 8800

[hearty cypress]

with lightning blast i actually hit 300k on dummy in 0.5 seconds

[buoyant bloom]

550 - that's what I meant by tick. That's what the game shows, right

[hearty cypress]

and atm im trying to find something faster than that

[buoyant bloom]

oh wow. With what gear (spell damage, crit)?

[hearty cypress]

489% cast speed

142 int

give me a week ull see me with 525% cast speed

350 unbuffed

and 159 int

[barren pawn]

Youre doing something wrong. Please put your build on LEtools rq so i can see whats goin on

[sturdy summit]

After the chat we had with Kain yesterday, I finally understand why Vilatria's Storm Crown's modifier that increases the damage of invocations, why it applies the more damage to Brand of Deception

[buoyant bloom]

Probably. Yeah, I'll work on that (should be easy). But can you tell me what damage are you seeing? Like, what is a single Disintegrate ray hit?

[hearty cypress]

yea i kinda wan tto see video of this

of the build

[barren pawn]

already told you.

[hearty cypress]

its the only thing that matters to me

youre hitting 340k in a second right

[buoyant bloom]

340k ticks, right. That's insane

[hearty cypress]

?

340k hits

not 340k ticks btw

[buoyant bloom]

Well, they are ticks, in the sense that it's a DoT

[hearty cypress]

the ray hits 340k

[buoyant bloom]

so they tick 4x a second

[hearty cypress]

ticks 7-20k dmg

if im getting that right

lightning blast deals 1mil a second

[buoyant bloom]

What you see in game is a single 0.25sec tick

[quick herald]

Can we get a letools link to either one of ur disintegrate builds? Lol

[barren pawn]

mine are already posted. I need to see his

[buoyant bloom]

So DpS is actually 4x that, or 8x (you have two rays, and the game sometimes shows their total damage, presumably to show less numbers)

[barren pawn]

Im just gonna say it homie

[buoyant bloom]

So if Kyo sees 340k, his actual dps is 4x that

[barren pawn]

Stop relying on a spreadsheet to tell you what dps a builds capable of

Build it. Test it yourself.

[hearty cypress]

i mean by ur logic

it also doesnt give context

[quick herald]

Just hope they add a proper dps counter dummy into the game

[hearty cypress]

dummy is the worst thing to test on because ur not really giivng in the context of actual high corruption

[barren pawn]

This owuld be a god send

[hearty cypress]

because teh thing is that ur not ognna be allowed to stand stationary

yea ur killing htings, but disintegrate doesnt hit the whole screen

its not multi directional

[barren pawn]

Du mmies are the literal only way to get an accureate baseline for dmg that does not change across players / games.

[buoyant bloom]

I mean, how else can I plan ahead? I don't yet have any crit gear, and investing into it takes time

[hearty cypress]

ur gonna get fkd by random scalebane assasins

[barren pawn]

Since corruption has modifiers, that change for every person.

[hearty cypress]

idk what corruption ur doing with that

[barren pawn]

They are legit the onl way to get a true and proper baseline.

[hearty cypress]

but i am pretty sure ur defense is dog with it

[barren pawn]

I mean i have 80% DR and 12-15k ward soooooo

[buoyant bloom]

Thing is, my current numbers match what I see in games perfectly (on dummies and on live mobs). But since yours are higher, I must obviously be modeling crit/Ingivar incorrectly somehow

[quick herald]

Whaaat, is it the glyph giving dr or from channeling? Thats crazy

[hearty cypress]

80% from what

[buoyant bloom]

Your base crit for Disintegrate is just 8%, right? There's no way to increase it more? 5% base plus 3% from the unique?

That'd be an easy way for the model to be wrong, if the actual crit is higher

Cause the number I see (Target dummy, Tier 3, double tick, standing on the Glyph) is 27569 per tick. Since you're seeing 340k, my model must be very wrong somewhere

[sturdy summit]

which model?

[buoyant bloom]

My own ticks would be 47384 (if I had Glyph, lol - as noted, I went Sorc, which is probably wrong)

[buoyant bloom]

My spreadsheet one 🙂 But it's really easy - base damage plus added times damage effectiveness, times all increased together, times all more

[quick herald]

Any particular reason why you're using soul gamblers fallacy?

[sturdy summit]

you got resist pen in there?

[buoyant bloom]

=(baseDamage + (addedDamage + bonusAddedWC) * damageEff) * (1 + effBonusFireDamage + bonusDoT + bonusElementalDoT + bonusChanneled + afterGlowFireIncreased + damageIncreased%) * (1+damageMult) * (1+firePen) * (if(isIngivarActive, 1+effSpellCrit, 1))

Like this is the Google Sheets formula for a tick

[buoyant bloom]

yes

[sturdy summit]

nice

[buoyant bloom]

You can easily see each component

but @normal solar, I'll put it up on LET so you can compare

[sturdy summit]

I believe it's for the crit chance, but disintegrate never crits

it just increases its damage?

[barren pawn]

The massive increase to spell crit, which is what I scale from?

[buoyant bloom]

The unique we're talking about gives Disintegrate a multiplier equal to spell crit

[sturdy summit]

and since disintegrate never crits, you're always at +100% base crit?

[quick herald]

Oooh wait didn't know disintegrate doesnt crit.. I was thinking it only crit on first hit tick, and then basically made you not crit..

[stiff crown]

I feel like situations are so volatile that trying to calculate DPS in the moment is of little use

[sturdy summit]

it's a dot, and dots never crit

[buoyant bloom]

Nope, it's not capable of critting, or stunning

[quick herald]

interesting

[buoyant bloom]

which kind of sucks

[hearty cypress]

ur not ognna deal that same dps if there are factors that arent allowing u to do it

e.g poison pool etc

if ur busy runnign around not generating ward

ur dead

it doesnt have the same agency as fc builds do

[buoyant bloom]

yeah, of course. I'm not arguing that Disintegrate is the best or even good; for now, I just wanna understand what I'm missing about the unique

[hearty cypress]

its not even good sadly

[quick herald]

Wouldn't prismatic gaze give more crit chance though than the helm that gives 200-300%?

[hearty cypress]

i really wnat it to be good

that dr isnt good enough

i think it needs more gear that makes it better

like 13k ward with 80% dr that u get partly from flame ward isnt really getting u anywhere

and that 13k ward is mainly if u get to hit right?

[sturdy summit]

80% dr? what?

[hearty cypress]

he said he gets 80% dr

and 13k ward

which idk where that number comes from

[sturdy summit]

is that a number obtained from multiplying the DRs? it looks like addition.

[hearty cypress]

i dont even know

if ur telling me that part of ur 80% dr is from flame ward, thats pretty bad amount of defensive mechanism

[buoyant bloom]

@barren pawn Oh, I see, you also put 2 in Glass Cannon; I didn't (since stuff hits too much as is)

so you have an additional 1.3x multiplier

Disintegrate does have a built-in stun immunity and 35% less damage taken while casting, though

[stiff crown]

Disintegrate supremacy up in here

I’m for it

[sturdy summit]

0.7 * 0.7 * 0.65 * 0.75 is 72% DR. That's if you have all of Flame Ward, Frostguard, Lightning Aegis, and disintegrate DR up at the same time.

[stiff crown]

72 or 76?

[barren pawn]

yeh

flat crit btw

gamblers is flat

[sturdy summit]

oops, thank you for checking. 76%

[hearty cypress]

letsj ust hope that we get more items to enable these builds

[barren pawn]

we don tneed items. We need the skills themselves buffed or tweaked

Something Kain already confirmed is happening

[barren pawn]

no.

[hearty cypress]

yea i disagree on the items thing but yea

[stiff crown]

Skill issue

[barren pawn]

I dont want this to be like D4 where you need 6 legendary items for a build to come online. Thats poor design.

[sturdy summit]

it's not like it's an either-or proposition. Skills should be viable without relying on a specific item, and there should be better itemization for builds

[barren pawn]

The skills themselves should be able to shine with stat infusions.

[barren pawn]

T H I S

[stiff crown]

Cries in Druid

[hearty cypress]

i also think that most players who play from 1.0 dont know a lot of items in this game

like people dont believe that ferebor is really good

or that isadora

people gfenuinely think that gaining 120 flat armor is worse than losing 80% ward retention

when they use static shell

people dont get stats in general

how they justify red ring when resist/defense is so contextual

[bronze shore]

uh

wut

[hearty cypress]

people still dont know ashes exist

[stiff crown]

@neon lynx

[hearty cypress]

like on eof the best rings in teh game

13% cast speed, 30% ward retention

[quick herald]

Think it's also important to remember that most (99%) of the playerbase won't push past 300 corruption 🙂

[bronze shore]

i know but i like my Jurla and red ring more

[hearty cypress]

if u like it thats fine

its got nothing to dow tih preferences tbh

im not talking about preferences

[bronze shore]

30% ward retention seems so small when u get to like 500% ward rentention

[hearty cypress]

when u have two of them

adn slap 17 int

its not

[stiff crown]

@barren pawn

[hearty cypress]

ur julra comes iwth 8 sec cooldown

[bronze shore]

tbf at 500% ward rentention u be better to go for more armor or more res

[hearty cypress]

thats crazy amount of stat loss

im at 700

with 2.5k armor

without stacks of throne

[safe grail]

Julra is only as good as the Slam it gets and since 2 Lps are the best you can get

it's kind of a sht item

[bronze shore]

2.5k armor is not a thing to flex lol

[hearty cypress]

?

[bronze shore]

my have 3k

[hearty cypress]

yea but whats the rest of ur stats

[bronze shore]

and im not even build to armor

[hearty cypress]

yeua im not either

[bronze shore]

i build for ward stack

[hearty cypress]

485% cast speed 700% ward ret 2.5k armor

upt o 4k in fights

whats ur stats

tell me

[bronze shore]

485% cast speed? what your crit multi lmao

[buoyant bloom]

Wait, Gambler's adds 100% to the BASE crit, not to increased?

[bronze shore]

why stack that much cast speed

[stiff crown]

We’re measuring e-peen up in here

[buoyant bloom]

so it makes base crit 108%?

[hearty cypress]

what do you mean why

im a lightning blast sorc

i apply spark charge directly with higher multiplier than fc builds

better ward regen

[bronze shore]

eh fair enough

i build toward to more balanced amount of cast speed and crit multi

[buoyant bloom]

Anyway, here's mine: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaXkRl9Q

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Runemaster (27)

General:

▸ Health: 1,760, Regen: 33/s
▸ Mana: 223, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 133%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 28 Int / 1 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 81% / 83% / 55% / 18% / 67% / 49%
▸ EHP: 2,160 / 2,160 / 2,160 / 1,905 / 1,376 / 2,000 / 1,715

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 352
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (528)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Flame Ward (20)
• Disintegrate (22)

Used unique items:

None

[bronze shore]

500% crit multi with 250% cast speed

[buoyant bloom]

@barren pawn

[hearty cypress]

yea the thing is when it comes to higher corruption, ur rate of attack is everything

because it determines how successful you are at applying debuffs e.g stuns etc

its less apparent in lower corruption

[bronze shore]

im using nova proc so getting to much cast speed will crash my game

[hearty cypress]

but when u can nullify mobs and whatnot, its different

well nova doesnt scale so

[bronze shore]

nova have spark charge

[hearty cypress]

with dog multiplier

my teleport has spark charge

[bronze shore]

same thing?

[hearty cypress]

lb spark charge is 200% more damage

no

lol

we are not the same homie

i crit 48k in 0.5 second

with spark charge lb

i can stack 3 of them

in that amount of time

and its way more scaleable than the fc build in gear

i think fc build gets really really good towards the middle then just stagnate unless u giga lucky with gear

[buoyant bloom]

If that's true, that alone would the numbers huge

[bronze shore]

lb have 30% to proc spark charge with 200% bonus dmg to it while nova have 100% proc chance so i guess it a fair trade off

[stiff crown]

The way I look at Julra is that it’s like a 50-66% increase to affixes on the ring due to the average downtimes. Not an accurate model but close enough. I got health and Int slam on mine

[barren pawn]

i step away for five minutes and have 3 pings

[sturdy summit]

yep, + means added, means base

[bronze shore]

jurla it ment to use between pack

[hearty cypress]

yea but the multiplier on that more damage is better

and it literally kills faster

wihtout casting less

[safe grail]

yo is lost knowledge just bugged to fk?

[hearty cypress]

ull never scale nova with cast speed

[bronze shore]

so you can bolster up on deally enemy

[hearty cypress]

its been nerfed afaik

[safe grail]

well like

[bronze shore]

i use nova through frost claw

[hearty cypress]

man the newest amd driver is so ASS

[stiff crown]

I don’t care about packs. I only care about not dying to Shades at the moment because I lose my stacks of corruption gain

[safe grail]

at 351 mana, when i hit meteor, i go down to 291, so Lost knowledge should give me 291*5 ward (assuming 5/5 pts)

[hearty cypress]

aware

[safe grail]

that would be 1300 ward

[bronze shore]

eh dying to shades is clearly a skill issue

[safe grail]

but it's DEF not doing that

[bronze shore]

XD

dont blame your jurla

[stiff crown]

100%

[safe grail]

hit me

[bronze shore]

so i do scale with cast speed

[safe grail]

cause there's a good chance im interpreting this terribly then

[bronze shore]

[safe grail]

i missed a 0

nvm

my math is shite.

[bronze shore]

i have infinate mana

[barren pawn]

right from the jump, your gear isnt made for disintegrate like at all. https://imgur.com/a/gtlnIs8 this cannot be correct

[stiff crown]

I’m not blaming my Julra. Just saying my priorities are with Shade clears not packs

[safe grail]

this tells me i need coffee.

[bronze shore]

im not poor people buid lmao

[stiff crown]

Don’t text and drive

[safe grail]

not in the office today thank god

lmao

[buoyant bloom]

which part?

[barren pawn]

Pl;ease openthe imgr link.

[bronze shore]

yes
my FC mana is 24 and i can sustain it with gift of winter 24 mana regain on cast with 36% chance

[barren pawn]

There is no way thats your actual gear / spell bar

[buoyant bloom]

ah yeah, i skipped all the other skills

[stiff crown]

Here’s my 1000c Shades clear. Now roast me: https://youtu.be/x26D5feF8qg?si=jpt7XwtZPJcjAYtA

[sturdy summit]

I haven't been to the office in... 6 years :D

[buoyant bloom]

Just did the basic minimum to show numbers

[sturdy summit]

just keep that caffeine iv drip on at all times

[barren pawn]

Sooo that's your actual gear?

[buoyant bloom]

Here's the spells. Gear is correct; idols are missing

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaXkRl9Q

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Runemaster (27)

General:

▸ Health: 1,760, Regen: 33/s
▸ Mana: 223, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 133%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 28 Int / 1 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 81% / 83% / 55% / 18% / 67% / 49%
▸ EHP: 2,160 / 2,160 / 2,160 / 1,905 / 1,376 / 2,000 / 1,715

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 352
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (528)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Flame Ward (20)
• Disintegrate (22)

Used unique items:

None

[buoyant bloom]

Gear is basically all Infernal/Pyromancer/Blighted

[barren pawn]

Imma keep it a buck with you.... Your gears bad. And you need dominion.

[bronze shore]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Avb9DkWA

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,079, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 324, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 514%, Regen: 38/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 15 Dex / 122 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 40% / 58% / 78% / 34% / 39% / 39%
▸ EHP: 1,828 / 1,349 / 1,562 / 2,099 / 1,199 / 1,243 / 1,243

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 216
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,639)

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Lightning, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (26)
• Runic Invocation (25)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Static Orb (22)
• Elemental Nova (25)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Unstable Core
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Strands of Souls
• Blood of the Exile
• Julra's Stardial
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[sturdy summit]

just checking, do you know about the import feature to automatically load your character?

[bronze shore]

dont ask why my gaze dont have int

[buoyant bloom]

I know it's bad - that's why I was wondering why the numbers for crit build don't work out to be better

[bronze shore]

4% crit?

rolf

i know

[barren pawn]

But they do? I've already told you what my hits and ticks are.... and they are way stronger than yours

[buoyant bloom]

Apparently not. Was wondering why it doesn't exist for this game yet. Thanks!

[bronze shore]

i mean 2% lp 1 is cheap

[barren pawn]

Please test in game instead of using a spreadsheet

[bronze shore]

4% lp 1 is another story

[buoyant bloom]

All this time spent building it manually

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaXkRl9Q @barren pawn here's current then

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Runemaster (27)

General:

▸ Health: 1,760, Regen: 33/s
▸ Mana: 223, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 133%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 28 Int / 1 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 81% / 83% / 55% / 18% / 67% / 49%
▸ EHP: 2,160 / 2,160 / 2,160 / 1,905 / 1,376 / 2,000 / 1,715

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 352
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (528)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Flame Ward (20)
• Disintegrate (22)

Used unique items:

None

[sturdy summit]

grats

[bronze shore]

i mean 4% more base crit is 4% more

[buoyant bloom]

Yes, and I think I now know why. Gambler's Fallacy adds 100% base spell crit, which makes numbers much bigger

I thought it's increased crit

[bronze shore]

i dont use omnis xd

oh kewk

[buoyant bloom]

@barren pawn When I plug in your gear with +100 base crit, I get 298k ticks, which is close to what you were saying

[sturdy summit]

yeah, if it were increased crit, it wouldn't do anything. The idea of that item is you get a guaranteed crit if you haven't crit recently.

but they implement that using base crit

[buoyant bloom]

Right, I got it now. I was wondering before why people like this neck, since even a passive 100% increased crit isn't that much

[bronze shore]

i mean red ring is still a good item

[buoyant bloom]

Tick every how often? This ticks 4x per second

[bronze shore]

red ring is good with build that stack stats like plasma orb dex stack and spark charge int stack

[sturdy summit]

is there anywhere I can check which dummies have which stats?

[barren pawn]

which i told you earlier

[stiff crown]

Me being roasted for using Omni when I don’t use it. 🐸

[bronze shore]

they probably have 0 armor

[safe grail]

So I do want to make a HUGE point of like.... the convo about testing vs. spreadsheeting

I've spreadsheeted the FK outta WoW before and have about a 40% failure rate showing that spreadsheeted stats/math is inaccurate

[bronze shore]

that why people able to hit 1m dmg on them

[safe grail]

40% in statistics is genuinely horrible.

there are too many variables in the game to just rely on spreadsheeting alone

[bronze shore]

eh i dont really need more ward

[buoyant bloom]

WoW is much worse to spreadsheet, too much interactions. That's why you need to sim it - and people sim it a lot

But games like this or PoE are quite easy

[safe grail]

yeah simming still isn't good

[barren pawn]

T H I S

[bronze shore]

50k ward seems good enough for me

[safe grail]

Sims tell like....10% of the story

[bronze shore]

bro 😭 😭

[buoyant bloom]

As I mentioned, my currrent model agrees 100% with what games shows

[safe grail]

the other 90% purely relies in the fights, crit rng, etc.

[barren pawn]

... no they arent, we STILL have sh1t we are learning about in terms of scaling abilities

stuff that a spreadsheet wouldnt account for

[sturdy summit]

but is it 10% more or 10% increased? :sip:

[buoyant bloom]

For sure - that's when models break down

[bronze shore]

although is true that mage probably dont want to use omnis

[safe grail]

this game has similar. you can spreadsheet all day, but unless you are also spreadsheeting it random events/random calcs to mess it up, idt it's a good HOLISTIC measure of a build

[barren pawn]

can you shutup about the logistics already? Literally nobody but you cares.

[buoyant bloom]

oh, for sure; you can't predict all events like this. But that's not the point of my model, at least; I just wanna predict what specific gear changes would do to damage, alone

[barren pawn]

Literally just out here discussing how to build disintegrate. We do not care about its logistics of use.

[sturdy summit]

speaking of 80% DR, what are your sources of DR? You're sorc, right?

[buoyant bloom]

He is runemaster

I'm Sorc (apparently, incorrectly so)

[sturdy summit]

ah, okay. checks out, then. I expect frostguard and lightning aegis

[buoyant bloom]

I'm also not making any specific claims about my DR, other than getting 1-shot a lot 🙂

[stiff crown]

I find the stats on my current amulet better than Time Glass for my build

[barren pawn]

Flame ward, disintegrate. Actually closer to 90 Dr with all 3 now that I look at the ehp chart

Rm

[buoyant bloom]

You may have seen before that I, in fact, chose Sorc as a mastery, so I don't have access to Glyph of Dominion. That's what I started the conversation from (asking if it makes sense to reroll)

[bronze shore]

runemaster with their DR xd

[barren pawn]

I mean sorc disin is possible. I was going to theory craft one and level to test. I just don't have the time rn

I just don't know how it stacks against rm dis

yet

[sturdy summit]

kyo, you're using frostguard, right?

[bronze shore]

time glass 60% ward retention is actually nice

[barren pawn]

ye

[bronze shore]

ye nice cast speed with a 1 shot ish protection

[buoyant bloom]

Well, Glyph gives 40% more damage to this spell specifically. Gotta be hard to improve on that

[sturdy summit]

I use glyph of dominion. not for disintegrate, just for fun, and the slow on it is really good for area control. I can see how disintegrate would benefit a lot from that.

[barren pawn]

Benefits greatly

[buoyant bloom]

It also has a node that grants 1.4x damage to Disintegrate specifically

while standing

[barren pawn]

Keeps sh1t from reaching you if it doesn't die in one hit

[bronze shore]

Ladle is unironicly broken that it can apply armour shred and fratility

[stiff crown]

I think if I wanted more ward retention, I’d go Frost gloves instead

[barren pawn]

ideally id get a 3lp ladle and slam dat bih

[buoyant bloom]

oh, @barren pawn , do you have issues with Glyph critting enemies and thus disabling Gambler's for a whike?

[bronze shore]

sorc seems pretty bad though xd

[sturdy summit]

glyph can't crit. it's damage over time.

oh, wait....

CAN it crit when it explodes?

[barren pawn]

yeh. but the tradeoff is massive damage increase. Its also not really hard to learn to time it

[barren pawn]

yes

[buoyant bloom]

I think so

[sturdy summit]

man, tags and damage types confusing me again.

[stiff crown]

Why would I do that with low life build?

Bro,

[bronze shore]

timeglass i think it use as an emergancy situation that you have no mana left and it probably an common thing for sorc

[stiff crown]

Don’t talk to me or my son ever again

[bronze shore]

i mean sorc have the more mana more dmg thing

[buoyant bloom]

For that I find the spell data from LPT useful. You can see here that while the spell itself is not a hit, its explosion is: https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/glyph_of_dominion

[bronze shore]

dam

i though people stack like a 1000 mana then throw a meteor at the boss

then boss die in 1 hit

[sturdy summit]

thanks

[buoyant bloom]

That's kind of painful to hear at level 89 Sorc 🙂

[bronze shore]

seems a bad passive tbh then since sorc dont build toward that anymore

sadge

spellblade even more sadge

[barren pawn]

3lp ladles are down huge rn...... i am EXTREMELY tempted

[bronze shore]

💀

the spellblade passive tree is so bad that i cant even imagine how spellblade user able to live

they dual wield node is half the tree in

💀

half the tree

just make it passive for spellblade

[stiff crown]

He’s talking about me #🧙┃mage message

[barren pawn]

dual wield node should be passive for spellblade mastery imo

[sturdy summit]

it's half the tree in so that no other subclass can take it. It really would be better as the passive.

[bronze shore]

yeah i know

😭

[bronze shore]

ye they should make it as class passive

why would u wield anything expect for more blade for spellblade

[sturdy summit]

having it as a built-in option would be fine though.

[bronze shore]

oh yeah

the spellblade spark charge tech with dragon claw and FC

• LB

[buoyant bloom]

Can you explain how that would work in this build? All I can see is 48% more damage from the ailments, but surely that's not enough to compensate the loss of +damage and increased damage?

[bronze shore]

i think that a special case

[buoyant bloom]

Since you don't need cast speed and can't use procs on hit

[sturdy summit]

look at the cast speed scaling with int

[buoyant bloom]

But Disintegrate doesn't need it

[bronze shore]

you failt saying spark charge XD

that the only viable way for them to play spark charge

[steady folio]

Hey There! New to the game and was looking at runemaster. Good class to start? Looks really flashy and fun but was also curious if there were any good fire meteor builds out there. Not sure if that is more Sorcerer

[sturdy summit]

oh yeah, ladle for disintegrate... I dunno then.

[bronze shore]

that what i mean

use mana strike to proc FC and LB

to proc spark charge

with dragon claw

[crimson raft]

Yes, RM is a very good start IMO. Meteor though is sorc only, so

[bronze shore]

fc have a node that melee attack proc FC

and FC proc LB

[vague stone]

i can't for the life of me get plasma orb to cast - could anyone tell me what skill combos to rotate to make it happen?

[bronze shore]

LB proc spark charge

💀

spellblade is dog anyway lmao

[buoyant bloom]

But @sturdy summit , since you taught me about Import, which I didn't think exists - do we know why/how Dammit has access to Last Epoch's internal API? Last Epoch Tools have ladders and apparently also this, and I don't think either of those is exposed to the public

Did they just work with him to grant him the data so he can build the site?

[bronze shore]

that how dog spellblade is xdddddddd

they have to go through all of that to proc spark charge

[crimson raft]

Well it's instant because you take the instant spark charge boom when you hit a sparked mob node 😛

[sturdy summit]

No idea. I really wish tunklabs had that access, because they have better calculators for skill stats, but you have to put everything in manually.

[bronze shore]

dragon claw and engima also have spark charge on melee hit so i think is not that bad

[buoyant bloom]

indeed; I use it for most things

[bronze shore]

still pls buff spellblade

or aleast rework it

[buoyant bloom]

Thought they don't have spell data like LET does

[bronze shore]

spellblade shatter strike look underwhelming for me

[crimson raft]

flicker strike

[bronze shore]

if they make spellblade move twice as fast as rouge/falconer then i play

[sturdy summit]

give spellblade movespeed scaling with int, or something.

[bronze shore]

that actually sound kinda op

[sturdy summit]

maybe make it scale with dex instead.

[crimson raft]

Don't ping EHG members @hearty cypress

[bronze shore]

hear me out

tri ele shatter strike

[sturdy summit]

a good way to lose access to people is to bother them with unimportant stuff

🤣

the circle is a chakram. that's a type of blade, right?

[safe grail]

spellblade is the ret paladin of this game

lol

[sturdy summit]

I understand that reference

[bronze shore]

they should make seeking blade or something

or like anti mage in dota

with spell shield and stuff

[buoyant bloom]

Same, unfortunatelyt

[bronze shore]

when i ment spell shield i dont ment flame ward btw

BRO WHY THEY DONT MAKE FIRE CONVERT SHATTER STRIKE

😭

spellblade and forged guard eating scraps fr fr

[safe grail]

i figured you did i just like saying that ret paladins are a wheelchair class lmfao

[bronze shore]

who even play forged guard anymore

why would you even play forged guard

[sturdy summit]

I played holy all through BC

[safe grail]

you poor soul. cmere lemme give u a hug

[bronze shore]

that if they dont instanly kill you in one hit xd

avarage sentinel armor DR

with the titan boots right?

for endurance too

oh dam that a nice boots

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (28) / Sorcerer (53) / Runemaster (32)

General:

▸ Health: 1,677, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 233, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 614%, Regen: 79/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 14 Dex / 137 Int / 4 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 50% / 99% / 90% / 0% / 54% / 26%
▸ EHP: 2,425 / 1,940 / 2,425 / 2,757 / 1,385 / 2,004 / 1,622

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 335
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,563)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 60%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

▸ Insight, Frenzy, Haste, Arcane Ascendance

Used skills:

• Flame Ward (21)
• Lightning Blast (24)
• Static Orb (22)
• Arcane Ascendance (20)
• Teleport (20)

Used unique items:

• Boneclamor Barbute
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Communion of the Erased
• Siphon of Anguish
• Font of the Erased
• Aurora's Time Glass
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros
• Throne of Ambition

[sturdy summit]

how long did it take to get that many erased items with good rolls?

[signal iron]

how do multi element abilities (like runebolt) work with invocation when you take the immutable order node?
I converted runebolt to lightning but its still popping up as a frost ability for some reason

[sturdy summit]

you converted all three hits to lightning?

[signal iron]

yup

just bugged?

[sturdy summit]

sounds like it. Does it still have the cold tag?

[signal iron]

nope just lightning

[sturdy summit]

that definitely sounds like a bug

[signal iron]

also fml, was testing this in soulfire basition without getting in a safe area and got sniped lmao, dumb move

ill try relogging

yea my third spell slot is just bugged, thinks its frost all the time

[sturdy summit]

oh, what's your fourth and fifth slot? is it cold?

it might be that it doesn't count runebolt as any element and is moving onto the next slot.

[stiff crown]

Immutable counts Enchant Weapon as fire for me. It has “elemental” tag

[signal iron]

naw last one is lightning so don't think thats it

super weird

I just juggled my spells around and got the invocation I wanted but now I got relearn these buttons

[sturdy summit]

should rename the node to Inscrutable Order instead

[signal iron]

nvm bugged again lmao

weird stuff

[shrewd rain]

is wardens echo/elemental burst good for anything? shatterstrike specifically.

I've been avoiding it since it seemed like trash, but maybe it adds up.

[stiff crown]

I was gonna ask Redart why he thought me using Red Ring was bad, while simultaneously saying Ferebor is a good item. But I think he got banned or something. 💀

[barren pawn]

Truly?

[sturdy summit]

oh, that's all the messages that just disappeared

[barren pawn]

'Swhat he gets for pinging EHG in such a rude manner

[sturdy summit]

I saw a disturbance in the matrix. It was him getting purged from chat.

[barren pawn]

good riddance tbh

[stiff crown]

He was so entertaining though

[barren pawn]

To you, sure.

To me, he was nothing but a nuisance

[stiff crown]

He roasted me for using Omni when I wasn't using Omni. Then wanted me to use Time Glass with a low life setup. 🐸

[barren pawn]

Literally any time i try to talk about disintegrate he has to go on and on about how its not viable or how its logisitcally bad... like homie... there are better builds than literally anything that isnt FC spam.

The point is, ive made a good dis build, and i enjoy playing it

[stiff crown]

If you're not me, you're wrong

[barren pawn]

crappin on me for using it aint it chief

[restive venture]

Yow, what happened, who got purged?

[barren pawn]

Radart.

[restive venture]

Oh, was about time finally

[stiff crown]

Some LB Sorc from 0.0.1 that thinks 350c is high corruption

[sturdy summit]

seriously, that's what you get for pinging the devs over some rude trivial bs

[barren pawn]

Meanwhile my disintegrate can clear 450

yet he called it a " bad build " lmao

[signal iron]

is this RM Kyo?

[restive venture]

Ive been silently just looking at this channel from time to time to see what that guy was up to for the past few days xD

[stiff crown]

Dude still on that "you guys don't know how good I am" cope

[neon lynx]

[restive venture]

Never liked his tone

[barren pawn]

'Course. Ill be trying sorc Dis when i can

[signal iron]

Disintegrate is a fun spell but couldn't make it work when I briefly tried it when leveling

Ill have to go check it out

[barren pawn]

I have two different builds i can share with you

if youd like

one focus's on armor / hp stacking and goes full into damage stats, the other is low health with dmg stats

The low health one is my current baby

[signal iron]

hey that would be awesome man, always down for new builds

[stiff crown]

You missed Radart going off about people not understanding stats like he does, and how he's big brain. Now his messages are deleted.

[signal iron]

Although ngl, switching builds with COF is kinda rough 😂

[barren pawn]

hold please 🖤

[neon lynx]

I’ll have you know 100 armor is far better than 10% less damage taken

[signal iron]

❤️

[neon lynx]

Awh man

Is he banned?

[sturdy summit]

all his messages got deleted. sounds like a ban to me.

[barren pawn]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXmnEEB @signal iron OG build, fire based disintegrate, fully leans into dmg, requires less uniques

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 2,311, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 301, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 515%, Regen: 89/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 13 Dex / 104 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 69% / 90% / 54% / 38% / 51% / 51%
▸ EHP: 2,972 / 3,210 / 3,418 / 3,200 / 2,486 / 2,746 / 2,746

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 462
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,509)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 38%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Disintegrate (20)
• Glyph of Dominion (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Focus (20)
• Flame Ward (23)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Ignivar's Head
• Strands of Souls
• Foot of the Mountain
• Soul Gambler's Fallacy

[neon lynx]

Not my free entertainment 😭

[stiff crown]

Hugs

[sturdy summit]

he rudely pinged kain with some bs and got struck down for his hubris

[neon lynx]

lol wasn’t he the one warning people the other day that pinging ehg staff is against the rules?

[restive venture]

I was switching between reading manga and reading the channel here, and suddenly all i see is just yall talking about him getting banned, Lmao

[cloud vault]

that guy was the epitome of annoying discord chatter

[barren pawn]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qq2w42MB @signal iron Current build ( still a wip. need a 3lp exsang, gonna tst out ladle slammed when i can to see if dmg goes up, need to make a pair of experimental gloves )

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (29) / Sorcerer (13) / Spellblade (2) / Runemaster (69)

General:

▸ Health: 1,933, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 290, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 520%, Regen: 124/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 4 Dex / 102 Int / 4 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 66% / 75% / 96% / 54% / 38% / 42% / 42%
▸ EHP: 2,123 / 2,303 / 2,315 / 2,029 / 1,683 / 1,734 / 1,734

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 387
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (16)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (560)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 38%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Cold / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Disintegrate (23)
• Glyph of Dominion (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Focus (20)
• Flame Ward (22)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Exsanguinous
• Ignivar's Head
• Strands of Souls
• Last Steps of the Living
• Soul Gambler's Fallacy

[barren pawn]

I am glad to see so many people agree that radart was VERY annoying tbph

[cloud vault]

constantly yapping about how x item is amazing and y item is awful but refused to share his planner bc he didn’t want to “spoon feed”

[sturdy summit]

I found him mildly amusing, but I agree that he needed to chill

[neon lynx]

@safe grail Loved him for some reason

[echo bay]

Wait who got yeeted from the dc? 😂😂

[barren pawn]

he wasnt constantly crapping on your build tho so i get why.

[signal iron]

thanks a ton! I don't have a 3lp exa either but looks like I have most of hte pieces here, gonna def try this out!

[neon lynx]

You could go export his character. He wasn’t doing anything ground breaking lol

[sturdy summit]

that's exactly why!

[restive venture]

The tone of his is like as if we're all below him and he's always right and he understands the game better than anyone asking for advice. Also, i notice anybody asking for some sort of advice, he kinda just, not give a constructive advice

[cloud vault]

of course he wasn’t lol

[safe grail]

I have good relationships w/ aussies.

Doesn't mean he wasn't an ass tho

LMAO

[stiff crown]

I don't find him annoying. I just find it entertaining when we all dunk on him for his bad takes

[neon lynx]

If yall don’t have 4500 hours into beta patch 0.0.0.1 YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING!

[barren pawn]

most aussies are asses, he was much, much worse.

Bein an ass is kinda part of their whole culture

but they are good asses.

dude was not a good ass

[sturdy summit]

ausses, one might say

[neon lynx]

All I could picture was that middle aged balding Asian every time he talked

I couldn’t take it seriously

[restive venture]

I imagined a 12 years old kid actually

especially after i noticed he switched his pfp to lightning blast icon

[shrewd rain]

Is warden's echo/elemental burst any good for shatterstrike?

[safe grail]

no

kind of a waste of points

[shrewd rain]

lol, okay. That's what i thought, but i was hoping otherwise.

[stiff crown]

"Time Glass will make you better. Trust me, you get so much ward."

Me with a low life build. 💀

[safe grail]

aight here we go w/ a controversial topic;

FC Nova is better as a sorc build

:sip:

[sturdy summit]

state your case

[restive venture]

Keep going, im listening

[safe grail]

that's it. that's the tweet

lmao

[stiff crown]

Keep driving

[safe grail]

it's kind of already been solved w/ a diff build but

just gonna adapt it for Spark charge

[neon lynx]

That’s not controversial

Ur just wrong

[safe grail]

fat cats.

[sturdy summit]

🤣

[safe grail]

love that

[safe grail]

ur right. im wrong cause i didnt tag you as the inspiration

sry

hehexd

[neon lynx]

U went to cook and burnt ur dinner again

Order take out

[safe grail]

oh nah fam

im actually not memeing lol

[barren pawn]

I agree homie. The mana regen / restore from sorc would theoretically mean you dotn need +3 FC for sustain.

Needs some testing though

[sturdy summit]

how does the mana restore on sorc work? Is it just mana regen stats, or does it scale with cast speed?

[neon lynx]

You already don’t need +3 to sustain

[safe grail]

yeah you really dont need +3 or even +2 to sustain

but sorc has a nice node in meteor that gives you a % of the mana spent back as regen over 3 seconds

[barren pawn]

i need to slam

someone find me a wand with t7 spell crit, and t6 elemental over time or t6 lightning pen

needs the t7 spell crit, and t6 of one of those two

[twilit stag]

I just dropped a double t6 of that last night 👀

[stiff crown]

I’m not familiar with Disintigrate. How does it benefit from crit?

[sturdy summit]

I believe there's a node that converts crit to more damage?

[twilit stag]

Look at ingivars head

[sturdy summit]

oh right, it's the head

so, from what we learned about ailments inheriting the modifiers of the spell that applied them, does that mean that Brand of Deception should benefit from affixes like "Lightning Penetration with Lightning Invocations" if it's applied with a lightning invocation?

[twilit stag]

In theory yes?

Wait no

[sturdy summit]

it could go either way. It might be like Spell Damage, where it inherits it, and it does nothing because it's not a spell.

[twilit stag]

If one spell triggers another, the triggered spell does not inherit the initial spells scaling

So invoked spells don't scale with runic invocation scaling

[sturdy summit]

if you apply ignite with an int-scaling spell, ignite scales with int. Ailments inherit the modifiers of the skill that applied them. But they don't benefit from the ones that require it to be a spell, for example.

[twilit stag]

Well in this specific instance yes. If the brand is applied by a lightning invocation the brand should also have that pen

[sturdy summit]

so what I'm not clear on is whether "with Lightning Invocations" is only a trigger, or whether it would act to disqualify the modifier from taking effect.

[twilit stag]

I wouldn't think that's a disqualifier

In order to max out how this works, we need to actually know the scalings for each individual invoke. RIP

[barren pawn]

give

[stiff crown]

Dang, “more” as in multiplicative

[twilit stag]

Exactly

[twilit stag]

Noo I need a good ladle

[barren pawn]

i need a good ladle morfe.

for testing.

[restive venture]

Ladle drop rate is not affected by corruption level due to a bug right?

[crimson raft]

That's what's been rumored, yes, if it's related to high corruption. Other then that idk if there's anything specific to the ladle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkbD8zxZuhw

[neon lynx]

0 corruption is where all my higher lp ladles have dropped

[restive venture]

I could fill like a tab or two of the 2h sword and the spear, but not much luck with ladle

[steady folio]

Thanks! I am curious which one would be best to start with. I love the fire meteor fantasy but looks like frost claw is the end game build for runemaster from what ive found

[sturdy summit]

runemaster benefits from being able to have amazing damage and defense at the same time. sorc and spellblade both have trouble with their survivability, on the other hand. And at high corruption, that starts to become a big problem, limiting their potential somewhat. People still make it work, however.

[crimson raft]

That's basically it. Meteor does look like a super fun skill, but is harder to get working well. RM has easier time leveling with passives, ward, etc. You can still make a nice Meteor build, i just don't know when\how fast it will meet a wall. I haven't seen a good Meteor build in 1.0 for sorc so.

[crimson raft]

My 2x 2lp ladles dropped in 200c+ areas IIRC, and and tons of 1lp\nolp lower corruption, but that's just the normal progressing through monos

[neon lynx]

All my 2 lps and my 3lp dropped in normal monos lol

Haven’t seen anything but 1lp in corrupted

[twilit stag]

Seriously was just saying this last night. It sucks

I got a 2LP and 3 1LPs in normal monos and not a single one in empowered so far

[sturdy summit]

huh, I didn't realize merophage and spearpinsky were mage drops.

[stiff crown]

Fill my stash with 2x4 items please

[steady folio]

Appreciate the feedback! Thank you

[steady folio]

Thanks Hunter, I appreciate the feedback. Is it possible to start with meteor then convert or is that harder to do in this game

[sturdy summit]

you can't change your subclass

[crimson raft]

The main issue with that is that Meteor is the Sorcerer's Mastery only skill.
And you can't change mastery

[sturdy summit]

but you could start with meteor and then change to a frostclaw sorc build or something else

[safe river]

hi! Have you noticed that when you cast Surge with the invulnerability talent, it doesn´t make you invulnerable a t all? It might be a bug? Or am I doing something wrong?

[crimson raft]

Report as a bug if you're sure - i haven't tested it tbh

[steady folio]

Ok cool thanks! I’ll roll a Runemaster and use that spinning fireball skill to start out

[sturdy summit]

once you have one character progressed a ways, it also becomes a lot easier to make an alt if you wanted to try sorc out as well.

a low level character with 2 LP low-level legendaries just destroys everything

[vague axle]

Is there a cheat sheet for invocations anywhere? LE tools is great but hard to cycle through entries easily mobile

[sturdy summit]

I don't know about mobile, but the cheatsheet is on LETools https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/runic_invocation/invocations

[vague axle]

Ahh cool. It's at least easier than going through the skill list menu like a dummy

Ty!

[marsh bison]

Is there a good way /trick to get my hands on a +4 frost claw relic?

[crimson raft]

There's no magic for that. Just drop as many relics as you can through farming the right timeline, and use prophecies, in as a high corruption as you can clear fast\comfortable.

Ah ignore the timeline, it's not an unique or set item you're after, so you're free to farm in whatever timeline you want

[craggy bramble]

Realistically a t6 or t7 frost claw relic is very rare. You can always craft t5 frost claw onto an exalted relic in a pinch

[marsh bison]

okey, so just farm and pray for a relic with frost claw to drop

[crimson raft]

And take the blessings for relic drops % in stolen lance

[hollow arrow]

got a ping and cant find it lmao

oh nvm its just kyo

and i missed a ban

rip

[dusty steppe]

Just hitted spell dmg% and -mana cost on my firestarter, ez

[safe grail]

i was about to do the same

i have a 3 LP w/ T6 -mana cost

lol

[neon lynx]

I still don’t see what’s so good about that thing

[dusty steppe]

mine was 2LP, hitted -cost mana and blind on hit, could be better and worse

[safe grail]

im debating if i even wanna run cast speed for this

lol

eh yeah

[quasi remnant]

Hmm, I can't tell whether it's worth looking at any kind of melee damage with mana strike or no. so many things you can proc off it scale with spell damage.

[calm night]

about what? firestarter? its a level 1 unique with a damage proc. literally every newly made character can equipt it with other lowlevel uniques with firedamage/damage over time stats and 1shot every non-boss with the proc with a bit of twink gear untill monoliths (and honestly even in the early monos). its a fantastic leveling unique.

[dusty steppe]

I had fiery dragon shoes w/ cdr and necro res, missed mov speed but w/e

[dusty steppe]

and ignite frost claw using it on end-game too

w/ LPs ofc

[calm night]

yeah probably good on actual ignite builds aswell, but as a leveling unique its actually just so silly

especially on mage, since fireball gets 100% chance for the proc (and the pen)

[dusty steppe]

yep

same tier than that one hammer.. which gives like phys dmg per level

and u can equip it on lv1 too lol

[calm night]

the hammer just looked garbage to me, but maybe its not bad. for voidknight leveling i just use harthenons vow into dreamthorn with t7 melee void damage

[hollow arrow]

oh yeh ex

how's the build

[safe grail]

uh

my fkn firestarters

just

hit

REALLY

hard

T6 mana cost, cast speed, fire pen

LMAO

[hollow arrow]

nice

[errant plank]

omfg just saw i can ensure i loot soulfire bastion keys using prophecies... got 2, i can retry after my failures of yesterday 😄 @sacred junco

[dusty steppe]

gz Sorc

how much mana cost u had on ur FC @safe grail

[safe grail]

18 atm

[dusty steppe]

not bad

[barren pawn]

I'm getting an lp4 ladle from an old friend that's quitting the game. If any of you have a wand with t7 spell crit, and then either t7 or t6 elemental over time, and t6 or t7 lightning pen please..... hit yaboi up

[twilit stag]

Jesus

[barren pawn]

https://imgur.com/a/eaFO8nf it is done.

I have been granted the ultimate endgame mage weapon.

4lp ladle.

and its getting a disintegrate stat slam

[hollow arrow]

lol communion belt rolled t7 cdr

[crystal hollow]

grats dude damn. Did you just get that from an exiled mage?

[barren pawn]

I got this from a friend 🖤

Long time buddy of mine ive played games with since i was like 10

[crystal hollow]

damn man. I think y'all have to get married now

[hollow arrow]

[barren pawn]

I was married to his cousin for years lmao

she passed away a few years back

miss that woman

[crystal hollow]

This lore is kinda nuts man.

[barren pawn]

🤷

dunno wha tto tell ya

grow up in a small town

you end up married to people related to your friends

[sturdy summit]

it likes to do that I've noticed.

[hollow arrow]

oh damn

3lp frostshackle

that might be worth something

[stiff crown]

Few hundred mil

[twilit stag]

Go kick rocks lol I've been grinding that boss and so far only a 1 LP

[hollow arrow]

im just here for blessings lmao

there are no 3lp shackles up rn

lmao

2lp is 100m avg it looks like

[sturdy summit]

1 billion

are you allowed to modify the ask price after you post it?

or do you have to take it down and pay the favor cost again?

[hollow arrow]

gotta pay favor cost again

imma wait

no hurry for gold atm

i sold those ward gloves i had for 250m

what i need is enigma with actual cast & multi roll

instead of one of each, every time

[neon lynx]

ill sell u mine

[twilit stag]

Those are literally the worst blessings of any mono lol

[hollow arrow]

yeah i know im trying to get something half decent

cuz it's been bow blessing forever

lmao

[twilit stag]

I just go for wand in hopes of a ladle

With no luck

[hollow arrow]

thats what i want

but i cant get the fker

been all 2hands and bow/dagger

[sturdy summit]

I have a sceptre blessing, to tempt the t7 spellslinger exalteds to drop

[hollow arrow]

alright lets buy a 2lp enigma and try to slam again

[twilit stag]

Enigma over swaddled?

[hollow arrow]

swaddled is gloves

enigma is offhand

[stiff crown]

Wear your Enigma like a glove

[hollow arrow]

its too pointy

would hurt

[stiff crown]

Skill issue

[hollow arrow]

alright lets go and slammm

i predict cast spd and ele resist again

[stiff crown]

Just buy LP3

[hollow arrow]

i dropped one yesterday

failed to get both of those two

lmao

[twilit stag]

I totally knew that and am not a dumb arse don't mind me

[twilit stag]

Rip

[hollow arrow]

ye rip

[twilit stag]

Sending you luck

[hollow arrow]

2lp enigma only cost a mil though for a good base stat one

so i'll keep trying those

good base 3lp like 12-13 int is 100m+

oh i was wrong

crit and lightning resist

[barren pawn]

https://imgur.com/a/JeIPcz1

I am about to be JOOOOOCED

[twilit stag]

Doesn't have T7 int also, garbage roll /S

[stiff crown]

Put that in LP4 peak

[hollow arrow]

might swap out exp blessing for unique blessing hmmm

[stiff crown]

Should always be unique blessing

[hollow arrow]

eh first time i did it, max rolled exp so i kept it and moved on lmao

[barren pawn]

did you not see the lp4 peak in the same ss? das why i am sayin j0000000ced

[stiff crown]

I’m on mobile and did not scroll down

[cosmic light]

Frost claw converted to fire or fireball for ignite rune master? Dropped a fire starter and not sure which has better single and clear potential

[safe grail]

3 FC relic w/ crit multi lads.

[barren pawn]

@safe grail just dopped a sexy relic. Courtesy of me being in his group.

[safe grail]

NOW THAT'S AN ITEM

[barren pawn]

and then the map bugs out on us

[stiff crown]

People still chasing FC relics while I’m watching people in 1k+ corruption using just an LP1 Int slam

[barren pawn]

we arent chasing, its just worth a sh1tton of gold

[safe grail]

my build doesnt need it

[stiff crown]

That’s what I’m saying. It’s worth a bunch because people are still chasing

[safe grail]

yeah

ill keep it for a bit and see if i can get a creation

and just slam a 4th stat and dupe it

[dusty steppe]

what is best catalyst base to use ignite FC?

[hollow arrow]

damn t7 cast spd swaddling

but other two affix aint good tbh

[twilit stag]

Yes plz

[sturdy summit]

one of the ones that give ward per mana spent, I think. Your options with catalyst bases are basically ward or crit.

chronolabe is the highest level one

[safe grail]

nah

probably opulent

[sturdy summit]

for the ward retention?

[safe grail]

and wps

yeah

[dusty steppe]

Just dropped exalted +3 flame rush regalia, fml

next node exalted relics, wish me luck +3 frost claw

[barren pawn]

I am now the uber mage.

[sturdy summit]

you drive a taxi?

[hollow arrow]

[barren pawn]

https://imgur.com/a/5WaBblm

[sturdy summit]

wow!

[warm ocean]

I have a runemaster... what's the next best? spellblade or sorc

[dusty steppe]

spellblade ig?

[warm ocean]

meta power doesn't really matter, just curious what is more fun

[barren pawn]

imma be reeeeal upset if this ladle doesnt blow my normal wand out the water

[sturdy summit]

fun is too personal. Which sounds more fun to you, meteor or melee?

[safe grail]

my immolators didnt whiff

25 CDR on it lmfao

[warm ocean]

true. meteor sounds good, but also sounds too similar to my runemaster

[dusty steppe]

what is like best spellblade build rn?

[hollow arrow]

hmmm belt roll t7 cdr, t5 crit avoid, t4 lightning dmg

not terrible but will see what others come up with

gloves are t7 cast, endurance % and potion to ward

lol

must've used up my luck slamming that julra ring, twisted heart and dago dagger

[safe grail]

o sht w8

this relic might be bis

for my build

[sturdy summit]

which one?

[safe grail]

3 FC Crit multi

LOL

[hollow arrow]

dont need twisted?