#๐Ÿง™โ”ƒmage

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bronze shore
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Fr i want to play spellblade too

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I think they should make us controlling flying sword

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Or tri ele shatter strike

safe grail
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my love for these battlemage style classes was born because of D2 and DA:O

barren pawn
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my love of battlemages comes from...

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im old..

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we wont get into that

safe grail
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DA:O had a solid formula on how it can be built into a game

barren pawn
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DAI made it better

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Literal jedi type sh1t

bronze shore
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They should make shattering strike as satisfying as earesing strike of void knight

barren pawn
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literally gave you a laser sword that generated barrier on hit and dealt sh1t tons of dmg

autumn crypt
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playing frost claw, any tips on how to not ran out of mana?

bronze shore
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Sorc mana cost to dmg sound cool

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But seems out of place in ARPG

bronze shore
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Also a quick fix is 2 mana efficency idol

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Both atleast 12%

silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (22) / Runemaster (66)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,095, Regen: 33/s
โ–ธ Mana: 256, Regen: 11/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 276%, Regen: 96/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 24 Str / 11 Dex / 74 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 54% / 95% / 54% / 79% / 60% / 57% / 137%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,305 / 1,579 / 1,305 / 1,635 / 1,265 / 1,238 / 1,461

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 219
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,294)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Flame Rush (22)
โ€ข Elemental Nova (25)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (25)
โ€ข Frost Claw (23)
โ€ข Flame Ward (22)

bronze shore
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That would =-4 mana

hearty canyon
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This might be more of a general question, but basically I am a spellblade and I am having a hard time finding the one handed swords I need for dualwielding, can I just buy a gray sword/blue and boost it to the sky with some luck if I got enough shards? Will it become a yellow or higher item if it get boosted enough?

bronze shore
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Around 27?

autumn crypt
bronze shore
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You can try to use omnis

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To put 1 point in spark of celerity

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So it will put u at 25

violet cedar
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I was wondering if I choose spellbladenor runemaster

hearty canyon
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Oh, I just saw that the forging power is really bad on grey and blue items...

bronze shore
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A comfortable mana cost

autumn crypt
bronze shore
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Cof?

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๐Ÿ’€

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Cof is super bad at farming boss item is insane

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While MG can buy lp0 lp1 boss item at 0 gold

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Expect for omnis

hollow arrow
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time to get some good idols today for frost claw

twilit stag
hearty canyon
autumn crypt
cedar mauve
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Greetings, folks, I got a 3LP Sunwreath. I only have a few 3 or 4LP items, and often find myself wanting to build around them. Is Flame Wreath "bad", anything cool I can do with it? I also have two 2LP Reens, interstingly, so the build is kind of making itself, I reckon? Or is it generally a waste of time due to being not-so-great?

bronze shore
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Just need a lucky drop of exalted

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Or selling idol

twilit stag
hearty canyon
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Oh, I look at all swords since I am only lvl 36 just yet.

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the ones dropping are just not good for melee spells

bronze shore
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You probably want to use staff of specter

hearty canyon
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When you reach higher up in the levels you get the elemental damage swords and such, which is a huge boon ๐Ÿ™‚

hollow arrow
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Ive forgotten but do you have to use an axe if you plan to upgrade an axe unique to legendary?

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Or does it allow any exalted wep for another wep

barren pawn
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mkust be same type of item

steel ridge
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@bronze shore thoughts on last steps of the living with electroclaw build

unborn hamlet
rocky gale
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There should be a disclaimer on plasma orb build guides that you're gonna be poop until you get 2k dodge and 60+ dex and Int. This build is booty until then good lord

steel ridge
unborn hamlet
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The one that drains your life and gives you ward based on %of missing health

steel ridge
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ah found a pair

unborn hamlet
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You can't just transition into it, you basically need all the items at once

tight condor
rocky gale
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i have all uniques with 1 LP and still hit like a wet noodle

unborn hamlet
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Fair I guess , but tbh that build without uniques is utter poopoo

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Yeah you basically need all Dex and good dodge

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By dex

rocky gale
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I have every single one required but the build needs like 2 LP on all items

unborn hamlet
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T7 Dex slam into everything that can have dex

rocky gale
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Yeah that is wild, that is like 1% of gear youre gonna find lol

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not really a build that you can play unless you're god lucky

unborn hamlet
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A lot of these builds are based around playing MG

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Good luck suffering with CoF like I do

rocky gale
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I mean my acolyte is slamming over 600 corruption with COF just fine and didnt need like 2-3 LP on all his gear haha

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seems like an issue with this class honestly

steep tangle
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you are playing a stat stacker and complaining that it requires gear to play?

rocky gale
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like if i need 3 LP uniques to do anything close to another class it is bad

steep tangle
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thats the point of a stat stacker

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to stack

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the stat

rocky gale
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please leave this convo lol you are missing the entire point

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just get 3 LP items and stack the stat duh 5head

barren pawn
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disintegrate rm requires a grand total of two actual uniques to slam through 600 ish corruption.

unborn hamlet
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Well yeah but your acolyte might get you to a 1000 and then you'll flatline, whilst plasma orb will carry you over 3k if you know how to play it

twilit stag
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Bricked my 2 lp ladle, so swapped to a wrongwarp

rocky gale
twilit stag
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Idk if I like it, it's hard to cast TP as rune master when my tunic invoke burns my tp cooldown

steep tangle
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who said anything about 3lp items??

an item having an lp only matters if you transfer something actually useful on it. having 1 lp is fine, assuming it hits the dex lol

unborn hamlet
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As I said, it's MG focus build

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You're never gonna get a build like this together on CoF within a cycle

twilit stag
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But I get up to like 650% increased spell dmg ๐Ÿ‘€

steep tangle
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the item isn't magically better just because it has a legendary potential

rocky gale
split schooner
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lol got an jungle queen from an barrel

unborn hamlet
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Well yes, Dex and Int is all you need

steep tangle
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my advice is that you need to have the stat you are stacking on your items when playing a build thats built entirely around stacking a stat

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yes

rocky gale
unborn hamlet
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You're not gonna be slamming dodge into your uniques

rocky gale
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the guide i was linked in this chat begs to differ lmfao

neon lynx
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Get rid of ugly reowyns and all the sudden u donโ€™t need 2lp 3lp gear anymore heavybreathing

rocky gale
silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (28) / Sorcerer (21) / Runemaster (64)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,212, Regen: 33/s
โ–ธ Mana: 149, Regen: 14/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 294%, Regen: 39/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 28 Str / 105 Dex / 61 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 78% / 86% / 91% / 74% / 85% / 117% / 72%
โ–ธ EHP: 6,373 / 6,373 / 6,373 / 7,892 / 6,373 / 6,373 / 6,188

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 242
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 64% (2919)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,780)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Frost Wall (21)
โ€ข Teleport (20)
โ€ข Runebolt (21)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (25)
โ€ข Flame Ward (21)

neon lynx
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Letโ€™s use our noggins instead of blindly following planners now

steep tangle
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is that empys build exactly?

neon lynx
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Yes

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lol

safe grail
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lol yeah

neon lynx
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Empy or snaps

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Both worth billions on trade

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๐Ÿคฃ

steep tangle
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thats not a guide lol

quick loom
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Thats a dream lol

safe grail
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it's empys lol

steep tangle
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yea the 4lp chest looked familiar

safe grail
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he literally says

barren pawn
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yeah no dude that guide is literally full bis.

safe grail
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you can play wrongwarp

rocky gale
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bro literally everyone told me maxroll plasma orb guide is outdated and sent this to follow it

barren pawn
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in every single gear slot.

neon lynx
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Maxrolls guide is ass

steep tangle
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this is the guy that played trade and grinded up to 2k corruption in a party of 4, sniped a chest worth 500 mil for 500k off of trade

rocky gale
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still not the point i am making

safe grail
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no one said it was a guide tho. it's a build planner

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lmao

neon lynx
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Doesnโ€™t mean u follow a full bis planner without full bis gear

rocky gale
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missing the point

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this build is not viable

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without full bis basically

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is my point

neon lynx
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Anyone could have told u that

quick loom
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Find another variation

neon lynx
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Who missed that point?

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๐Ÿ˜‚

rocky gale
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you apparently

neon lynx
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Youโ€™re missing braincells. Only thing I see missing

steep tangle
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his party farmed bis USING this build, two of this build actually, a support and a utility warlock

it is the best carry build in the game

rocky gale
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jesus this disc is cancer

steep tangle
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he was using a variant of it before he got enough gear to swap to the dodge version

neon lynx
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Yeah. Wrongwarp prob

stiff crown
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Whatโ€™s going on

safe grail
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yeah

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you run

neon lynx
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Without all the dex and dodge stacking

steep tangle
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you come in here overly aggressive making wild claims, attacking strawmen, then get mad at the discord lol

safe grail
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wrongwarp, mourningfrosts, and a CM /cast speed offhand

rocky gale
safe grail
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he legit says

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in the video

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this is how ik you didnt watch it

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you can play the build w/ a no LP criterion, which is the central point of the build.

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everything else is the same then up until you get a good LP criterion and a good LP Reowyn's slammed

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know what better yet

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just follow the maxroll guide.

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then come back to us later when you still can't play the build cause you have no understanding of how to properly gear it, then we will link you this again and have the same convo again

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or

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just go back to playing acolyte.

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thick headed fool

rocky gale
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lmfao still missing the point the build sucks

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but have fun being mad

safe grail
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Skill issue

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clown

barren pawn
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the build doesnt suck tho?

thin abyss
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Geez..

rocky gale
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cant find high LP items and slams = skill issue

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aight

barren pawn
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Sorry youre used to your class thats bugged, and gets to turbo clear content abusing bugs.

stiff crown
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Whatโ€™s going on

rocky gale
safe grail
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im super tempted

little hill
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Not sure

steep tangle
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that guy really likes attacking strawmen and playing the victim

safe grail
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to buy 0 LP items to play the wrongwarp version

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and show you the build doesnt suck

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๐Ÿ™‚

rocky gale
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do it

barren pawn
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Meanwhile RM is out here pushing through corruption 2k+ without bugs.

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Just leave already

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Go back to acolyte chat.

rocky gale
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Nah i enjoy the people maulding right now over the fact that i am saying their build isn't good unless you have near bis items

stiff crown
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Define good

barren pawn
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Nobody here is malding lmfao you are the only person thats remotely angry.

safe grail
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you just aren't able to understand that a build can have multiple tiers/levels

rocky gale
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Exmakina begs to differ

hollow arrow
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RM is runemaster right?

barren pawn
safe grail
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you think Empy just rolled up w/ bis gear outta no where lmao

hollow arrow
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thanks

safe grail
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like tf

rocky gale
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Not what i was saying

stiff crown
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Builds have layers, like ogres

violet cedar
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Btw, wich RM build is the best rn, to farm and bosses

steep tangle
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dudes basically playing a phys magic find build from PoE with a bow he crafted with 20 contempt essences and no headhunter, complaining he does no damage and is squishy

safe grail
neon lynx
thin abyss
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๐Ÿ’€

stiff crown
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Bro didnโ€™t even finish act 8

neon lynx
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๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

steep tangle
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or he is like that one dude zizaran did a build review for. looked up the NAMES of the rare items on the trade site to match the build guide and was upset the build was bad

neon lynx
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Ya but Ben said itโ€™s good

stiff crown
steep tangle
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i promise you it was

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his axe was like "pain splinter" or something, was a 700 pds axe in the guide (for example i dont remeber the exact stats)
guy he was reviewing also had an axe named "pain splinter" but it had like t10 lightning damage and some cold res or something

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i died laughing

stiff crown
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I need the link

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Sounds hilarious

steep tangle
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in some of his build guides now he actively tells people about the name thing because of that guy

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i can try to hunt for it after work

stiff crown
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๐Ÿ‘

safe grail
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hey guys i'm trying to play the 2k corruption frostclaw CoC build w/ drags claw and it's not working w/ my blue gear

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can anyone help?

thin abyss
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leave him alone ๐Ÿ’€ ๐Ÿ’€ ๐Ÿ’€

safe grail
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LMAO

violet cedar
bronze shore
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Imagine afraid to slam t7 exalted on 1-2lp gear

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Cant be me

thin abyss
bronze shore
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๐Ÿ’€

twilit stag
thin abyss
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inflation is kinda crazy now ngl

twilit stag
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As it should be

hollow arrow
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inflation in rl and ingame

thin abyss
hollow arrow
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just like the simulations

bronze shore
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One nerf and market will crash

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Just like irl

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They only need to nerf the mana node of โ€œspark of celerityโ€ by 2% and frost claw nova is dead

safe grail
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they wont

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because the investment to get there is high

bronze shore
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True

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Kinda bored now my build is too poping off

winter crow
bronze shore
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And im too lazy to push corruption

bronze shore
winter crow
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.

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

bronze shore
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But hey BiS for the dragon claw right?

safe grail
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yeah

autumn crypt
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anytips on farming omnis or do I just grind monolith on a straight line lol

safe grail
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it's the only way to make drag's claw a very good build

winter crow
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yeah im gonna try dragorath claw to test dps diff on high investment yeah

safe grail
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is w/ a +3 heart

bronze shore
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I migh try Distingrate with the Gambler + Igvar

winter crow
safe grail
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ye

winter crow
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to see ward/tankiness and dmg diff on high investment

bronze shore
hollow arrow
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rip got a sceptre i needed but cant use it on dagger for legendary

winter crow
twilit stag
bronze shore
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Insane

barren pawn
twilit stag
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Unfortunately it doesn't proc wrongwarp though ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

bronze shore
safe grail
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the market can inflate 10x and i still will not go back to CoF

barren pawn
bronze shore
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I might try to โ€œcosplayโ€ phoneix from dota

barren pawn
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I need the gear to run it on my online RM

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my offline RM has it

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i really just need someone to lemme leech some favor off them

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XD

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I have gold

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plenty of it to gear up

twilit stag
twilit stag
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With you**

hollow arrow
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lmao

bronze shore
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You know what

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F it

bronze shore
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U guys can flip frost claw in MG

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For some reason

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Forge a t1 frost claw and sell it in MG

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250k+ gold

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Each piece of t1 will make u 250

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Do whatever with this information

barren pawn
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Target farm ingvars and soul gamblers for me while we are at it, and you got a deal

twilit stag
# bronze shore For some reason

Because it's "number one build" and all the utubes has it and all the mindless min maxers just copy paste so they buy all the ones out there

bronze shore
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And they just buy all of the t1

barren pawn
bronze shore
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Then i buy a t5 for 500k

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Then sell it back again make 1m

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The cycle repeat

twilit stag
bronze shore
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Yikes

safe grail
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ye

twilit stag
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I realllllllly want to make my wrongwarp build feel good, but I'm having such a tough time

hollow arrow
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just gamba

bronze shore
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Legendary crafting is lowkey gacha

wet lintel
twilit stag
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But I am ๐Ÿ’”

winter crow
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if lighning blast chains more than one time on a single enemy, does it count as more hits?

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or is it still 1 hit?

steep summit
winter crow
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so then mountain boots arent mandatory for dragorath build

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I just found a way to make it work lol

barren pawn
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damn the update royally fekked my framerat

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was getting a solid and stable 120 at 4k

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half tha tnow

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@safe grail what is omni exactly?

safe grail
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+1 skills neck w/ resists

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the resists roll 1-48 or something like that

barren pawn
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o. dis builds cant run it

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pain

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( need gamblers )

safe grail
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nah just get 100% crit elsewhere

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ignivar's rolls flat crit

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it's easy to get 100% from 4% flat crit

barren pawn
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until they patch it

safe grail
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Oh ig's doesnt cap

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i c

barren pawn
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Actually may not be bugged

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i think its intended

safe grail
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yeah

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ignivar's isn't capped so

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anything over it feeds into dmg

barren pawn
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yeh. 1600% spell crit = disintegrate can comfrotably do 800 or so

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do ya undastand why i like disintegrate now?

safe grail
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i never argued it

barren pawn
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its completely uncapped in terms of its damage

safe grail
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im also not keen on standing and channeling like that

barren pawn
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it can keep goin up, and up, and up. The more spell crit you can get

safe grail
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and you can't stutter step disintegrate idt.

barren pawn
safe grail
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o

barren pawn
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standing still and gaining resists / armor

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or channeled resist / armor

safe grail
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no no i just

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dont like standing still like that

barren pawn
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realisticalyl you dont do it often

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not for long

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just for boss burns

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quick tap for mobs

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quick burns for bosses

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you also have TP

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to stop yaself from bein fekked after or during a channel

stiff crown
twilit stag
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What do you use for wand?

safe grail
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deez

steep summit
violet cedar
stiff crown
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Convergence allows you to hit the same target equal to half the amount of chains rounded up. But it no longer chains

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Divergence allowed it to fork or chain

woven rover
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Looking for a build with good screen clear and speed...I like big pulls and moving fast, any suggestions?

silk pewterBOT
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Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,111, Regen: 20/s
โ–ธ Mana: 275, Regen: 11/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 640%, Regen: 46/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 28 Str / 23 Dex / 166 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 96% / 90% / 134% / 61% / 90% / 63% / 59%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,795 / 1,795 / 1,795 / 1,728 / 1,660 / 1,482 / 1,431

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 222
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 3% (92)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,161)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Elemental Nova (25)
โ€ข Flame Rush (22)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (25)
โ€ข Frost Claw (27)
โ€ข Flame Ward (22)

This build has a guide:
violet cedar
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Ig this one is good, I'm going to do this one

stiff crown
violet cedar
neon lynx
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is it more full 4lp offline gaming?

violet cedar
stiff crown
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He copies other people's builds

safe grail
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Yeah he seems like the RageGamingVideos of this game so far.

stiff crown
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Most of his content is him finding one piece of information from social media and making a 15 minute video about it

safe grail
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but at least he gives credit

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to the builder

violet cedar
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Oh, so wich one u recommend

neon lynx
stiff crown
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The one you linked is probably fine. I don't have any issues with the build. I just don't like the content creator

safe grail
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lmao true

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i tried so hard to critique his videos and he just

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is a lil b word about it

neon lynx
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๐Ÿ˜‚

stiff crown
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They're all just click bait

neon lynx
stiff crown
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I may do LP2 Strands for my build and toss my LP4 belt

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Gonna try making Mana Strike cost mana

neon lynx
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dudes wearing a jungle queens

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and has 92 dodge

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lol

fallow zealot
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do fundamental criterions with LP exist? lol have about 10 and none have any lp

buoyant shuttle
safe grail
neon lynx
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same way u target farm any other belt

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prophecies or buy it

buoyant shuttle
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thanks bro

stiff crown
neon lynx
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welcome to ragegaming videos lol

safe grail
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i had a whole tiff with them the past like 2 vids in their discord

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they just are absolutely farming YT algos for $$$ and that's it

twilit stag
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And am scared to smash it lol

violet cedar
fallow zealot
neon lynx
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no

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i have a whole stash tab of LP2 ones incase i ever play plasma lol

safe grail
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wdym dude

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you can only play plasma w/ LP 4s

neon lynx
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fk

safe grail
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you absolutely, in no way, can play w/o them

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dummy.

neon lynx
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yeye its totally not the easiest rm build to get into gear wise

safe grail
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know what

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imma go gear it

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rq

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and try it

neon lynx
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YOU CANT SEND FN CLOWN EMOJIS IN THIS SERVER?!

safe grail
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Nope

neon lynx
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this place is a prison

safe grail
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on planet horse sht?

barren pawn
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wow

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censorship much ?

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for an m rated fekkin game?

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and it scommunity?

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which is primarily 30+ year olds?

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W I L D

winter crow
silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,141, Regen: 24/s
โ–ธ Mana: 269, Regen: 13/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 694%, Regen: 38/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 33 Str / 20 Dex / 167 Int / 10 Att / 14 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 93% / 175% / 93% / 94% / 75% / 83% / 83%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,952 / 1,952 / 1,952 / 2,081 / 1,796 / 1,805 / 1,805

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 228
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 3% (94)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,746)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Lightning, Cold, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Static Orb (24)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (26)
โ€ข Flame Rush (23)
โ€ข Frost Claw (24)
โ€ข Lightning Blast (24)

Used unique items:
stiff crown
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safe grail
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#Bantiktok

neon lynx
winter crow
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no skill points

neon lynx
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24 ranks of fc is rough to try and do that though

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ye

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just saw

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thats what i wanted to do in the end

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but it need a claw slam

winter crow
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the only way of running both is using mountain boots for mana cost and running +3 fc relic instead of int

tacit hornet
#

hey guys

neon lynx
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i was gonna try and make a +4 relic work without the boots

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but could never get it

winter crow
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even with +4 you need boots, cuz you need 5 points on mana eff fc

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to not run boots

neon lynx
#

or 2 points in nova instead of 3

winter crow
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hmm idk, that would be less dps than just running mountain

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xd

neon lynx
#

yea

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trade off

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of dps or move speed

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depends which boots ud wanna use

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and bossing was fine with just the boots and no claw ranks

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but man getting to the boss was another thing lol

tacit hornet
#

dude how rare is ranks of frostclaw lmao

neon lynx
#

very

barren pawn
fair tiger
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is it??? I have +3 frostclaw on like 3 relics

neon lynx
#

thats not very many xd

fair tiger
#

how do people feel about frostclaw vs lightning blast builds?

tacit hornet
#

out of 37k shards, only 1 is frostclaw ranks lol

neon lynx
#

i dropped around 1k relics via prophecies

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dropped t6 once and t7 once

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luckily they duped and i got to dupe them again with creations lol

tacit hornet
tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

but still

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8 out of 1k lol

tacit hornet
#

is there a way to get runes of creation with cof?

neon lynx
#

yeah

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a lot of them

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in the runes lense

tacit hornet
#

you gamble for runes in general not specifically runes of creation

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right

neon lynx
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i spent 200k favor a couple days ago. got 75 creations, 200 despairs and 100 ascendencies lol

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no specific creation ones

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dont gamba lol

tacit hornet
#

i mean.. farm creation runes, go on a MG char and gamble for red ring

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lmao

neon lynx
#

i dont think u can dupe uniques?

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can u?

tacit hornet
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i said that wrong

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farm ascendance runes

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i mean

neon lynx
#

oh ya

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u could do that

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or daggers

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the det arrow daggers are dumb expensive now

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and common lol

tacit hornet
fair tiger
#

Does anyone use the large Unvar's Exile in their runic invocation builds? I can't tell how much more dps I'm getting

neon lynx
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eh somewhat

winter crow
#

that helmet gives +1 light skills

neon lynx
#

ah ye

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the +1 and pen helm

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i actually farmed some of those to try

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๐Ÿคฃ

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its too bad u cant slam those set helms into mountain

tacit hornet
#

those daggers are like 7% to get

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how much lp do they need to be worth smth, 2?

neon lynx
#

yeah

tacit hornet
#

lp2 is 10%

neon lynx
#

2 is like 7,5m last i looked

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3lp is 50m

tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

but

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ghost and smoke should be worth somethin too right?

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think bunch of meta builds still run those

safe grail
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aight

tacit hornet
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no idea

safe grail
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commencing operation low budget plasma orb

neon lynx
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full 0 lp and exalt?

safe grail
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1 LP ladle

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das all

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oh and 1 LP julra ring

neon lynx
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unreasonable

safe grail
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cause i dont have another dex ring lol

tacit hornet
neon lynx
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literally unobtainable

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use a wrongwarp and some speedy shoes if u got it

safe grail
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i dont

neon lynx
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F

tacit hornet
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plasma orb is so fun but frostclaw is so much better in many aspects

neon lynx
#

solo i think ya

safe grail
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idk how to play this build at all

neon lynx
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if u got a pocket paladin think plasma scales farther

safe grail
#

so this is gonna be fun lmao

tacit hornet
#

yeah if i had friends that played support pally i would be using snap's plasma orb

safe grail
#

yes

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if you have support plasma orb can push like

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unreasonable corruption

neon lynx
#

plasma just doesnt have the ward gen solo

twilit stag
neon lynx
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i love ww

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thats what i leveled my rm with lol

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if i could fit TP into my claw build instead of flame rush id probably still be using it

twilit stag
#

I wish I could use invoke traversal with it

neon lynx
#

or that ya

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but requiring TP

tacit hornet
#

just got 2 more jungle queen's lol with 1lp

neon lynx
#

messes everything up lol

tacit hornet
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i have like 6 now

twilit stag
neon lynx
#

i wasnt

twilit stag
#

Tp spec seems lame

neon lynx
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i dont think

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its been a while since i played it

safe grail
#

this build claps at low corr when learning it lmao

neon lynx
#

ex remember when

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i was talking about free spell

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with transversal

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i was thinking of this lol

safe grail
#

OH

winter crow
silk pewterBOT
#

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,141, Regen: 24/s
โ–ธ Mana: 269, Regen: 13/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 602%, Regen: 38/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 33 Str / 20 Dex / 144 Int / 10 Att / 14 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 93% / 137% / 93% / 94% / 75% / 83% / 83%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,769 / 1,769 / 1,769 / 2,013 / 1,760 / 1,769 / 1,769

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 228
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 3% (94)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,575)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Lightning, Cold, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Elemental Nova (27)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (27)
โ€ข Flame Rush (23)
โ€ข Frost Claw (28)
โ€ข Lightning Blast (25)

Used unique items:
neon lynx
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was just muscle memory, from a long time before i guess

winter crow
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no mana issues

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procs both lb and nova

neon lynx
#

hows it feel?

winter crow
#

looks good

twilit stag
#

Wtf 144 int? From where

neon lynx
#

so if u got a t7 slam on the heart

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itd work without the helmet

winter crow
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yes

winter crow
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sacrificed some int to use helmet

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and fc relic

neon lynx
#

then u could use peak

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to get the crit back

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and more int

twilit stag
gilded marten
#

do you need to have ice barrage unlocked to trigger it with "Power word: hail"?

stiff crown
#

No

neon lynx
winter crow
neon lynx
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back over 150 int too

twilit stag
#

You're just relying on smashed t7s then?

neon lynx
#

yes

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if ur playing anything spark

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u want t7 int damn near everywhere

twilit stag
#

Ugh I'm getting like no drops for them ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

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Sitting at barely 60 int and it hurts

neon lynx
#

int like quadruple scales

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when ur playing spark

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it gives base damage

winter crow
#

wait no @neon lynx it does run into mana issues on bosses

neon lynx
#

flat damage from enigma

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ward retention

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and crit

winter crow
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oh nvm my fc eff got unspecced cuz of the relic change

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XD

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also red ring is not needed anymore

tacit hornet
winter crow
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cuz you get all res from the dagger

neon lynx
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ah

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back to julra?

winter crow
#

and the 10% dmg dr isnt that big considering that julra has more int

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and more int = more dmg and ward

safe grail
#

yo plasma is so clunky to play lmao

neon lynx
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can u double stack frost rings?

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for 20% more?

winter crow
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dobule ocearon? ye

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but julra is same dmg as ocearon

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or very close

neon lynx
#

o

winter crow
#

so no need to spend that much

neon lynx
#

i dont feel so bad about giving away my 2lp one then

winter crow
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ima keep testing later I have to go

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so far looks like top dps build variant

neon lynx
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hope it works out

winter crow
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cuz proccing spark charge from both nova and lb

neon lynx
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that was my end game goal

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ye exactly

winter crow
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ill let you know later when I come back

tacit hornet
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if that variant can pusher higher than 2.2k c it's crazy

neon lynx
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its basically the same as that 2.2k build

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but with more damage

winter crow
#

<<

tacit hornet
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damn

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well hope it works out im excited lol

neon lynx
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basically trade out the cast speed from ladle

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for more spark procs

winter crow
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and more ward

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however cant use static shell

neon lynx
#

yeah

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if u got a +4 heart

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u could

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and kept the set hat on

barren pawn
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hmm

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can i slam CC and int onto a julra?

neon lynx
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you technically could

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but 2lp julra kinda rare

barren pawn
#

CC INT and elemental over time

neon lynx
#

idk how expensive they are

barren pawn
#

yeh i need a 3lp

neon lynx
#

but ive only dropped 1

tacit hornet
#

why do you stack so much cold res?

neon lynx
#

its unintentional

stiff crown
#

Dagger

neon lynx
#

his gloves rolled it

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probably just kept them cuz t7 int

tacit hornet
#

ah right

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i thought that was BiS planner haha thx

neon lynx
#

nah thats his actual export lol

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dudes got bonkers gear

barren pawn
#

im sorry

#

2LP JULRA IS FIFTY FEKKIN MIL?

wild sundial
#

is it normal my mage is getting bonked on emp. monos?

tacit hornet
wild sundial
#

even with res stacked

stiff crown
#

Cold res is lb damage

tacit hornet
#

as cycle goes on and people buy more gold prices will inflate

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^ why im sticking with cof

barren pawn
#

1.3 bil for a 3lp.

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this was literally 20 mil a few days ago

neon lynx
#

think this would be closer to bis

silk pewterBOT
#
Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,107, Regen: 20/s
โ–ธ Mana: 180, Regen: 9/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 642%, Regen: 38/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 28 Str / 15 Dex / 154 Int / 5 Att / 9 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 76% / 52% / 76% / 77% / 57% / 61% / 61%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,511 / 1,224 / 1,511 / 1,710 / 1,281 / 1,320 / 1,320

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 221
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,497)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Lightning, Cold, Fire / Spell

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Elemental Nova (24)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (24)
โ€ข Flame Rush (22)
โ€ข Frost Claw (28)
โ€ข Lightning Blast (24)

Used unique items:
tacit hornet
buoyant shuttle
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is dragorath better than mad weapon?

tacit hornet
#

i'm really invested now

wild sundial
#

I have a question about my mage, hydrae build.

Im new to the game, lvl 90 rn and just goin into the emp monos.

I found 2 staffs, both exalted, one has 312% spell crit and the other 280% spell dmg. Wich one should i use till i find a new one i can craft?

Idk wich one has more scaling weight in my dmg.

wild sundial
barren pawn
#

how do we filter for legendary uniques?

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on MG

neon lynx
#

the damage felt a lot better using dagger. i was just struggling to solve the sustain issues

tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

so ended up having to swap back lol

wild sundial
tacit hornet
autumn crypt
#

what the 3gb update again O.O

neon lynx
#

uh i had to stop around 800 with no ranks to claw

tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

cuz i was running into OOM issues mapping

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with no heart slam lol

wild sundial
tacit hornet
#

yeah bro i need +3 claw

tacit hornet
wild sundial
#

ill check that out

neon lynx
#

but damage and ward on bosses with dumb

tacit hornet
safe grail
#

@neon lynx i just dropped a 1 LP +3 runic Fundemental lmao

neon lynx
#

i was stacking up to 60kish wards

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and melting bosses

tacit hornet
wild sundial
#

nvm imma just google that

tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

just click on an arena key

tacit hornet
#

yeah

neon lynx
#

and tele port there

autumn crypt
#

Can omnis be traded using regular golden resonance?

neon lynx
#

if they dont have LP

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its just another unique

wild sundial
neon lynx
#

u can try it whenever @tacit hornet just swap in mountain boots

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and u can sustain on bosses without claw ranks

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mapping is just sketchy lol

barren pawn
#

i need to hit rank 8....

tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

yeah

#

if u over cast while ur moving and mapping youll oom lol

tacit hornet
#

would be lying if i said i knew what oom means ๐Ÿซ 

neon lynx
#

out of mana

tacit hornet
#

ah right, lemme give it a try

wild sundial
#

lol the turret doesnt even focus the dummy :D

neon lynx
#

go to the one all the way at the end

tacit hornet
#

more dmg but i cant sustain because my build is so scuffed lol, but yeah you cant move and cast at all

#

just dropped 2 2lp exsangs

barren pawn
#

3lp foot = 300 mil

#

wtf is this games market

neon lynx
#

inflated by rmt

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is what it is

#

lol

tacit hornet
#

CoF FTW ๐Ÿซก

#

well you cant drop dung gear on cof lol but still

safe grail
#

nah LP 3 foot is 0.23% chance to drop

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so

#

it was gonna be expensive w/ or w/o inflation lol

trail tendon
#

Stormtide boots - You are shocked for 4 seconds when you stop moving. Best way to counter this?

tacit hornet
#

keep moving.

neon lynx
#

wear different boots

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๐Ÿ˜‚

barren pawn
#

100m should be the limit for a singular listing if its not a slammed lp3 or 4. or an lp4

trail tendon
#

๐Ÿคฃ

maiden thistle
#

finally +3 fc hit

safe grail
#

w8 yo plasma orb is kinda fun wtf lmao

trail tendon
#

Max shred stacks instantly so I will use them till something better.

twilit stag
safe grail
#

where's uh

#

what's his name

neon lynx
#

@rocky gale

safe grail
#

yea him

tacit hornet
#

1 rune of creation prophecy costs only 1.5k? and it gets doubled? ๐Ÿ’€

neon lynx
#

yuh

twilit stag
neon lynx
#

theyre free

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go dupe every good exalt u drop lol

wild sundial
#

do 2 hand staffs or wand and off hand work better with hydrae?

tacit hornet
#

๐Ÿ˜‚

wild sundial
#

im know im asking dumb questions but imma need to know :D

tacit hornet
wild sundial
#

aye

tacit hornet
#

i just follow meta builds ๐Ÿซ 

orchid basalt
#

So finally at the point of picking mastery, can someone point me to the pros and cons of sorc vs rune. Ty

neon lynx
#

pros

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RM

wild sundial
#

yea same, but i feel like wand and offhand could be good, rather than what the guide says

safe grail
#

just pick rune

neon lynx
#

cons

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sorc

#

ez

tacit hornet
#

sorc sucks compared to rune

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if you want to smash high corruption monos go rune

orchid basalt
#

Isn't rune hard to play?

#

At least what I hear

tacit hornet
#

but frostclaw isnt

neon lynx
#

harder

#

nothing in this game is hard to play

wild sundial
#

hard to master

tacit hornet
#

its hard at first until its muscle memory but then holy is it fun

orchid basalt
#

Is my first diablo like game lol

wild sundial
tacit hornet
neon lynx
#

probbaly dont even need that many fingers tbh

orchid basalt
#

So frost claw where can I look at info for that

safe grail
#

you need like 62 fingers to play plasma tho

#

trust

tacit hornet
safe grail
#

yeah idk how far i wanna take plasma orb myself rn

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but it is kinda satisfying to see things just

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fall over from a rotating orb

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lol

tacit hornet
#

runes of creation are used 2 at a time?

twilit stag
#

No

heady badge
#

If all i want to do is shoot lots of fireballs, is it better to stick with fireball or runebolt fire version?

tacit hornet
split glacier
#

is it ok to ask for advise here?

twilit stag
#

It's actually a bannable offense

rocky gale
twilit stag
lilac lodge
#

And asking for advice is technically asking for advice sooooโ€ฆ

heady badge
tacit hornet
#

no idea, but what plasma orb build are you running?

twilit stag
#

I haven't tried scaling FB but Rune bolt scales relatively well. The invokes will always be the real source of dmg though

dim vine
#

Not that good for amulet. Youโ€™d want lightning pen/spell damage, crit multi, double dodge

#

If you can also get shred on seal for solo or armor seal

split glacier
#

alright, i just started empowered monoliths and followed this guide here: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/frost-claw-runemaster-guide my current gear is this: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3Zn1mVB but i just can't get it to run fully... i often get oneshot, sometimes mana regen is too low so i just run around, and dmg output feels really low. when i try to improve damage, i lack defenses and vice versa. i don't think i am doing much wrong, looking for good bases and 1-3 good stats then start crafting.

silk pewterBOT
#

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (21) / Sorcerer (16) / Runemaster (64)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,349, Regen: 21/s
โ–ธ Mana: 309, Regen: 9/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 349%, Regen: 36/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 77 Int / 4 Att / 1 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 99% / 75% / 73% / 73% / 68% / 74% / 77%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,664 / 1,664 / 1,623 / 1,724 / 1,548 / 1,647 / 1,664

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 270
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 16% (428)
โ–ธ Crit Avoidance: 159%

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Cold / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Frost Claw (20)
โ€ข Frost Wall (20)
โ€ข Flame Ward (20)
โ€ข Ice Barrage (20)
โ€ข Elemental Nova (20)

Used unique items:
split glacier
#

i am currently farming reign of dragons timeline for the heart relic, but having a hard time. about 1,5 hours until i have one cycle through

dim vine
#

Ah thatโ€™s not needed

#

Youโ€™ll most likely need the damage mitigation from oracle

#

Lower corruption, sure go for more damage but around 1500 you just die

crimson raft
dim vine
#

Itโ€™s a flat 3 damage

crimson raft
#

You also need the empowered leech blessing preferably a good roll. Those would massively help your survivablity i think

split glacier
#

i also read that the armour blessing is pretty good too?

crimson raft
#

Do check what their gear section says and try to understand why they say what they say. And yes armor and armor % is chefs kiss too

tacit hornet
#

new patch

#

was wondering why i couldnt enter boss echo

crimson raft
split glacier
#

i do not have an issue with damage over time received, just some occasional oneshots

neon lynx
crimson raft
#

Yeah i get that. You are still leveling so..i didn't check your crit avoid or reduced crit dmg, but that's something you should check if it's oneshots.

split glacier
crimson raft
rocky gale
crimson raft
#

Same with reduced bonus dmg taken from crits. You should take either one or the other. Having both is just wasting points, as they do the same through different means.

silk pewterBOT
#

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (65)

General:

โ–ธ Health: 1,192, Regen: 24/s
โ–ธ Mana: 185, Regen: 13/s
โ–ธ Ward Retention: 364%, Regen: 69/s
โ–ธ Attributes: 13 Str / 35 Dex / 81 Int / 0 Att / 7 Vit
โ–ธ Resistances: 94% / 80% / 87% / 65% / 79% / 79% / 145%
โ–ธ EHP: 1,623 / 1,623 / 1,623 / 1,612 / 1,623 / 1,623 / 1,623

Defenses:

โ–ธ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 238
โ–ธ Dodge Chance: 8% (220)
โ–ธ Armor Mitigation: 24% (962)

Damage Types:

โ–ธ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

โ–ธ None

Used skills:

โ€ข Frost Wall (21)
โ€ข Teleport (20)
โ€ข Runebolt (21)
โ€ข Runic Invocation (23)
โ€ข Flame Ward (21)

Used unique items:
safe grail
#

I don't even have the optimized passives cause I CBA at the time respeccing them

#

just git guud

split glacier
barren pawn
# silk pewter

I ran something similar offline using uniques i got during the story.....

crimson raft
barren pawn
#

And it cleared corr 200

#

๐Ÿ˜‚

split glacier
rocky gale
# silk pewter

if you are clearing 250 corruption with this you are going hella slow and probably dying a bunch before you actually clear a mono. How much is your plasma orb ticknig for?

safe grail
#

aight hold on ill time myself just 4 u

barren pawn
rocky gale
#

bro you can say whatever you want it proves nothing

#

i just cleared corruption 1000 naked

#

see im good

barren pawn
rocky gale
#

i hope he does

barren pawn
#

Ex doesnt fekk around when it comes to builds dude. You picked a fight with the wrong theorycrafter

rocky gale
#

and again my point isnt you cant clear it, but they clearing it is slow and clunky as hell

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here is how i see it, if he clears it and posts the build and video then i learn whats wrong with my gear, if he doesnt i still win

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i dont give a crap lol

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people in this disc been maulding all day bc i said the build sucks if you dont have perfect gear, get a life

barren pawn
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Nobody here is malding except you lmfao

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you literally cant help yourself

safe grail
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1 min 29

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doesn't seem terrible.

rocky gale
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post it

safe grail
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granted i also dont like to clear the entire stability bar

stiff crown
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"% of Mana Spent Gained as Ward" do not work with Mana Storm... but why? It's spent mana.

rocky gale
barren pawn
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and you couldve chose to not continue, and ignore it, liek you said you were gonig to earlier.

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Yet instead, you decided to continue

safe grail
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ffs i gotta upload it to YT

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jfc

rocky gale
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i asked what they wanted and then was being flamed, how is that maulding after i legit haven't said anything for hours and then got pinged randomly lol

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go touch grass

barren pawn
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you got pinged, and your immediate response was " what do you want idiot "

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Immediate hostility.

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You are the problem bud

rocky gale
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because the person is indeed an idiot lol

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they pinged me to talk crap lol

safe grail
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I mean dep is an idiot, but he's like

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my favorite idiot

rocky gale
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^ see he agrees

barren pawn
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Not one thing they said was them talking crap on you. " plasma orb kinda fun, wheres uhh whats his name " followed by you being pinged and Ex saying yeah him.

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None of that was them talking crap at you.

rocky gale
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why you still talking go away already

barren pawn
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Says the problem.

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You go away lmfao.

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Actually.

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There. Shadowrealm.

safe grail
rocky gale
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this guy actually has a mental disability

barren pawn
safe grail
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i fkn cannot stand obs holy

rocky gale
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i gotta wait for it to finish processing it is 8bit

safe grail
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yes

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sorry

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it didnt down-res it in OBS

rocky gale
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its like trying to see without my glasses lol, ill give it a minute

safe grail
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lmao

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should be good now

barren pawn
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its doen cookin

rocky gale
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yeah so that is no different than what i am doing now honestly, you are hitting as much as i am but to me this is just not good

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bosses take wayyyyy to long

safe grail
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if bossing is the issue

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i could see that

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i didnt get a chance to boss yet

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so

rocky gale
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yeah it mainly is

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clearing the mono is easy for the most part but bosses are so blah

noble sierra
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Can anyone share a build good enough to be stable doing at most corruption 500 echos and bosses?

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Runemaster/Sorcerer

rocky gale
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i swapped back to shatter strike RM and honestly i am clearing faster than Plasma orb and killing bosses faster

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but i know it isn't as good once you get the right gear

safe grail
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shatter strike RM? lol

rocky gale
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but until that point it is just poo

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its slapping right now idk

rugged shoal
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has anyone made a good build for using Trinity of Elements?

safe grail
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how do yo uget shatter strike as RM tho

barren pawn
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mans went from " its slow and clunky!!!!! " to " it struggles against bosses " when being shown its not slow or clunky. Classic goalpost.... Something weve come to expect in ARPG communities of late.

safe grail
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that's what im getting at

rocky gale
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oh my bad i meant spark charge

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i was reading something else before

safe grail
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o

rocky gale
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clears super fast, bosses are meh, but still better than plasma orb currently until i get the juice gear to drop to make the build unlock

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and that has been my point the entire time, it just takes a lot to make that build viable

steep tangle
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your point was something closer to "why even play this class when i can play acolyte with no gear" or something similar

rocky gale
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no it wasn't, it was something is wrong with the class if it requires this level of gear compared to acolyte that can clear the same level difficulty with way less

steep tangle
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yea that

safe grail
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I will say, that

steep tangle
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thats was your stupid take

safe grail
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idk if this can sustain going to like 500ish solo

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idk

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i havent played it enough to try

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lol

rocky gale
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its 100% accurate

rugged shoal
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in agreement with doomguy, though i'd say that one is too weak AND the other is too strong

steep tangle
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because yes, a build that is heavily gear reliant will not be able to clear as far as a beginner friendly build with no gear. however that doesn't mean that when you get the gear it won't surpass the other. otherwise why don't we all just play league starters

rocky gale
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I am not sure what your point is here, i never said plasma orb will not eb better than an acolyte build

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with the right gear

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its the requirement for both classes that i think is just weird

steep tangle
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a build requiring gear to function and excel does not objectively make it bad

rocky gale
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oh 100% it does

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if the build is nearly impossible to make viable due to gear req then its a bad build bc the average player will never play it

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thats bad

steep tangle
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"something is wrong with the class if it requires this level of gear compared to acolyte that can clear the same level difficulty with way less"

this implies a gear focused late game pushing builds needs to be able to compete with league starters early on to not be considered bad

balmy abyss
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its almost as you would expect that every classes ever build had the same graph of usability since start till end? :)

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would make the whole theorycrafting of builds kind of boring

steep tangle
rocky gale
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i just don't think you are understanding what i am saying for some reason

steep tangle
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do you have PoE experience? its easier for me to talk in terms of that game

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if not tahts fine just trying to get my point across

rocky gale
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i have 100 hours in that game and i will never play it again unless poe 2 is much easier

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that game is not good IMO

grave iris
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skill issue ^

rocky gale
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requires waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much research and time investment for the game to get to the point where it is good and you understand what is happening

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its a spreadsheet sim

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im sure its amazing and super fun if you can make it through the rough part of 1k+ hours

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and i know im not wrong because even the big POE streamers make the same point

steep tangle
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basically having end game only expensive builds are good for the game. Yes even if most players won't get the currency or items to make it. It allows for aspiration for players to want to farm to get the currency required to get there. whether that be an entire builds worth of items, or just one super strong build defining unique, it can give players motivation to keep playing. something to grind for thats not just "make number go up"

latent steeple
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is there a way to cast frost claw through mana strike

steep tangle
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PoE's barrier to entry is f---- absurd, and some of its systems are archaic and get in the way just because the devs want the friction

i love the game but saying anything but ^ is just lying

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(server auto mod caught the swear ๐Ÿ™‚ )

rocky gale
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and 500 corr is just a random example

clever ermine
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i imagine it like kayle in league of legends i might be weak early but boy oh boy let me cook

rocky gale
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and disclaimer i did like poe for the first 20ish hours, leveling was fun, but it is a super steep learning curve

steep tangle
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i disagree because the goal of the game isn't just "get to 500 corruption"

if a league starter can get to 500 corruption, but then it gets walled and can't get much farther,
but your end game build can't even break 200 corruption without its full suite of expensive gear, but once you get that gear can go to corruption 2000, i see literally no issue and would actually think something was wrong if this wasn't the case.

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if the naked league start build was as good as or better than the expensive build at ALL points in progression i would agree with you

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100%

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but the assumption here is the super duper expensive build will blow the starter away once you get the gear

clever ermine
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arpgs have never been balanced change my mind

steep tangle
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very true

humble cedar
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Is anyone having issues entering boss fight echos? I've relogged and i still cant get in. Doing The stolen lance timeline.

orchid basalt
rocky gale
# steep tangle but the assumption here is the super duper expensive build will blow the starter...

i've always agreed with this. I think the issue i am trying to get across is grinding 200+ hours for nearly perfect gear to make a build viable, in my opinion, makes that build although probably thought up very well and theorycrafted for hours, not a great build. Sure it is something you CAN build at SOME point, but it isn't a great build in the grand scheme of things because of the amount of time you need to invest before you can even play it at a level that other builds that require way less can.

steep tangle
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i wouldn't say it makes it a bad build, simply a bad starter build

clever ermine
steep tangle
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call it a "Second character" build or an "end game build" or whatever

rocky gale
tacit hornet
rocky gale
steep tangle
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never saw a red ring

clever ermine
steep tangle
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saying you can get 2 every few hours

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is just a lie

tacit hornet
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statistically i can, i have the favour to just spam unique rings

steel ridge
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The chase is half the fun imo.

steep tangle
clever ermine
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its objektivly easier to make a good build using mg but i agree cof is more fun

tacit hornet
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not to mention if you drop one godly item, you drop a dupe. pair that along with inf runes of creation

rocky gale
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i think we are starting to agree

clever ermine
steep tangle
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yea, i get your point now

rocky gale
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same logic for d4 uber uniques ya know?

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can't get them = bad

tacit hornet
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plus, i like the dopamine when 30 uniques drop on the ground

steep tangle
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i find CoF significantly more fun

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but i'd be surprised if it was ever faster than mg

tacit hornet
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same, i've tried mg and the loot was so bad even at 1k corruption

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switched back to cof, boom t7's and double exalts everywhere

crimson raft
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MG=Get the items your build wants. CoF=Get the fun you want ๐Ÿ™‚

clever ermine
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i mean leaderboards say it all. every body till spot 50 is using MG and has full build lp4 t7 sets

steep tangle
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i also play SSF in PoE after playing trade for so long. i went from having uber gear in a week and blasting maps in seconds to being slower, but having more fun in general

crimson raft
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SSF or CoF here is ALOT better then PoE. We can target farm so so much stuff!

tacit hornet
steep tangle
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oh i agree