#šŸ§™ā”ƒmage

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raw tartan
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lower right skillnode, cannot chain but hits same target per chain number

limpid drum
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nah didnt skill that

raw tartan
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should work fine then

limpid drum
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guess it just doesnt show then

raw tartan
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are u having low crit chance in general or why skill closed circuit in the first place?

limpid drum
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its the best cold rune skill i guess

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i need 2 cold runes to trigger the cold / fire / cold skill

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and it also gives the 15% dmg buff

raw tartan
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lol u use lb for cold? o.O

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just go frost wall and runebolt

hollow rover
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but you said you use Immutable Order therefore you dont actally need to cast those spells just you main spell and that will give you your runes

raw tartan
limpid drum
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ill explain u guys after his mono what my clusterfk means

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one sec

raw tartan
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np, don“t stress ^^

hollow rover
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increased is worse than more correct ?

sturdy summit
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worse isn't the word I'd use, but kinda

hollow rover
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okay the better of the 2 is more damage right ? XD

sturdy summit
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increased means it adds to other sources of increased

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if you have lots of sources of increased damage, 15% isn't going to add 15% more damage

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but 15% More means 15% More

hollow rover
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yeah cus its additive not multiplicative i hink

raw tartan
sturdy summit
hollow rover
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whareas more would be multiplicative or no ?

sturdy summit
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yep

hollow rover
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ya thought so just trying to makesure i understand it correctly lol

sturdy summit
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More and Less are keywords for multiplicative, while Increased and Reduced are keywords for additive

raw tartan
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well isn“t it other way around? more is + increased is x

sturdy summit
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although, Reduced is a little inconsistent, because Damage Reduction means Less Damage

hollow rover
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good to know that will simply a lot of choices i make going forward

limpid drum
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okay now ill explain my situation, take it with a grain of salt cuz its my first arpg and i have no clue what im doing

sturdy summit
raw tartan
sturdy summit
raw tartan
sturdy summit
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Increased damage is like, 50% Increased Cold Damage

limpid drum
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So currently im lvl 72 trying to go for frostclaw build but my issue is i cant use it more than 4 times literally without running out of mana, so i use LB on the side rn for dps but also have it on cuz i thought its a good skill to use for cold rune and has a dmg buff on top of it since i want to basically auto cast the cold / fire / cold ruinic skill with immutable order (mainly that node because i dont need to use my brain for it)

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thats basically all

raw tartan
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where“s the difference in added and more o.O

raw tartan
sturdy summit
sturdy summit
limpid drum
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this is my gear

hollow rover
limpid drum
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trying to get 77 so i can equip unstable core

raw tartan
limpid drum
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yes

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sec

wet patio
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was there some secret buff to unique drop rate or something. im getting 4 plus an echo right now

raw tartan
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depends how much mobs u kill

limpid drum
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added the skill tree

sturdy summit
raw tartan
limpid drum
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wait its bugged lol

raw tartan
raw tartan
limpid drum
limpid drum
hollow rover
sturdy summit
# raw tartan where“s the 50 coming from

50 is the base damage of the ability. 30% more damage means you take whatever you already have, and multiply it by 1.3. +5 damage gets added to your base damage before you multiply it by any of your Increased or More damage.

raw tartan
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well yeah ur frostlclaw skilltree is ur problem

limpid drum
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ah lol

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i wanna spam it like others

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but literally im out of mana after 4 uses

raw tartan
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skill gift of winter 3/3 100%

hollow rover
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Frozn Reign also

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i also suggest trying to find a Sceptre that has -mana cost on it

wet patio
# barren pawn Shhhhh

lol. ive been gaming since release and havent seen this amount of uniques dropping so frequently. not that i have any use for world drop uniques just found it to be more than usual for the first few echoes

limpid drum
sturdy summit
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a lot of world drop uniques are really good if you get them with LP on them

limpid drum
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but i didnt unlock potentials yet sadly

sturdy summit
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some are good even without LP

hollow rover
# limpid drum isnt ladle bis for it then get it on with potential?

it might be but in the meantime if you are having mana problems that i not conducive to a functional build my build requires frozen ire with -mano cost slammed but until i can do that im just using a good scetre that gives me the -mana cost so i dont have mana problems and can map smoothly

raw tartan
limpid drum
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is frostclaw with elenova + glacier proc good ?

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cuz that was the one i was trying to go for

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to proc both aoes

limpid drum
raw tartan
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if you want eyecancer, yes very good indeed

hollow rover
sturdy summit
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yeah, frost claw + nova is very good

limpid drum
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yea i forgot what that ice aoe was called lol

raw tartan
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but im think you will need a +4 frostclaw slammed onto a twisted heart for the FC+Nova build to work

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at least that“s what i heard from the buildfounder

sturdy summit
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frost claw + nova is good as early as level 30

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which is around when I estimate you'll have enough skill points to do what you want with it.

raw tartan
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just know this one

silk pewterBOT
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Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

ā–ø Health: 1,114, Regen: 24/s
ā–ø Mana: 280, Regen: 15/s
ā–ø Ward Retention: 626%, Regen: 38/s
ā–ø Attributes: 29 Str / 23 Dex / 150 Int / 6 Att / 10 Vit
ā–ø Resistances: 76% / 70% / 76% / 78% / 66% / 62% / 88%
ā–ø EHP: 2,141 / 2,039 / 2,141 / 2,461 / 1,817 / 1,752 / 1,980

Defenses:

ā–ø Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 223
ā–ø Dodge Chance: 4% (127)
ā–ø Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,652)

Damage Types:

ā–ø Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

ā–ø None

Used skills:

• Runic Invocation (25)
• Frost Claw (27)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Elemental Nova (25)
• Flame Rush (22)

remote onyx
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I just started a hydrahedron runemaster. Does the bug fix nerf the build at all

limpid drum
sturdy summit
raw tartan
sturdy summit
raw tartan
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but apparently you don“t need it as philipov said

hollow rover
raw tartan
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i just know the planner, never played the build myself

sturdy summit
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yeah, you don't need the frostclaw relic until very lategame

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people who are just starting out are not well served by looking at endgame builds, because they don't show you all the builds you need to use to get to the point where you can build that way

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you don't start a build at level 1 and do the same build until 1000 corruption.

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you work your way up

gritty pagoda
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glacier šŸ‘

muted kindle
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What's bugged about the sanguine runestones that is getting fixed?

sturdy summit
muted kindle
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Idk why my brain isn't understanding that lol

sturdy summit
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the number of points you put in the node

raw tartan
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the threshold scaled with your points before the nerf, after the nerf it won“t

gritty pagoda
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wack

raw tartan
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like who used that anyway

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there“s just some wacky build from dreadful on yt who used that

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whose most likely won“t work now

gritty pagoda
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I liked it when leveling/getting into monos

raw tartan
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i dunno about those aoe run into things and basically do nothing builds

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just not my type at all

hollow rover
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mostt of the builds i have seen specifically state not to take that node because its bbugged and will likely be fixed so i never bothered with it myslf

gritty pagoda
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that is the health regen applies to ward thing right

raw tartan
weary hamlet
gritty pagoda
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the names of things never stay in my head

hollow rover
gritty pagoda
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opulent catalyst my friend

limpid drum
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thanks for the tips guys!

raw tartan
hollow rover
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i get his point because technically with enough health regen and using that node RM can stack ABSURD ward more than acolyte even

limpid drum
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whats a good sceptre / wand so i can spam frostclaw a bit easier?

sturdy summit
raw tartan
hollow rover
limpid drum
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Yea im using ladle but like someone here said before its better for me to use a better one for better mana sustain untill i can fix my build

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Hmm

weary hamlet
raw tartan
hollow rover
frosty pewter
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Ladle is slightly overrated unless youve got a high lp ladle imo

raw tartan
frosty pewter
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48% more cant really compete with the huge amount of flat from a dragonhorn, plus other mods

raw tartan
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well you“re also getting +48 more dmg

frosty pewter
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I mean a t5 cast speed is like 40? Unless youre getting 200 int its not outdoing it

raw tartan
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if 8 ailments are applied tho

weary hamlet
raw tartan
frosty pewter
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Like yeah a slammed ladle is good but its not the end all be all of wands imo

sturdy summit
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what is?

raw tartan
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i dunno ashunava not able to read the patchnotes apparently cuz hes talking something about vessel relic XD i dunno

frosty pewter
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Like, youve got unrolled ladle < exalted wand < high lp ladle

raw tartan
sturdy summit
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well, sure, high lp ladle is still ladle. What would you rank above ladle that isn't a better ladle, though? I'm ready to learn.

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there's dragorath, of course, but that's a dagger.

frosty pewter
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I misphrased that, high lp ladle is probably the best, but if you dont have a high lp ladle it might not beat an exalted wand

sturdy summit
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oh yeah, that makes sense

frosty pewter
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And obviously if your build needs dragorath or something then itll be better

sturdy summit
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there are only a few uniques that are better than a good exalt, for builds that can use all their stats

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without LP

frosty pewter
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Yeah, my main issue is people not explaining the exalt > 0lp ladle thing

neon lynx
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Ladle has almost no base spell damage. It’s pretty easy to beat early on

frosty pewter
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Given, a lot of my tests were a build that doesnt use int so that may skew it a bit

raw tartan
neon lynx
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48% more of 0 is still 0

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That more gives very little value if u have no base damage lol

frosty pewter
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Depends on the base damage and damage effectiveness of your spell

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Which is a super conmplex calculation

neon lynx
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Also early on your int will be lower

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Meaning you gain less from the cast speed too

neat flame
neon lynx
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^

sturdy summit
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more damage is better when you've already got a lot of increased damage and base damage

neon lynx
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Wrongwarp kinda slept on too when ur in the earlier/mid game phase of your mage

sturdy summit
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is wrongwarp a world drop?

neon lynx
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Yeah

frosty pewter
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Is it the damage / speed that makes wrongward good?

sturdy summit
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I thought it was the buffs

neon lynx
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It gives a lot

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Gives you a good chunk of move speed and cast speed

neat flame
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everything, the stun is super broken for some bosses

neon lynx
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Stuns things

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Gives good damage when u have decent move speed

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Has good base damage

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It’s just a solid overall weapon if u don’t need something specialized for your build

frosty pewter
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Yeah that seems like a solid wand

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And chronowarp nice qol

sturdy summit
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I'm currently using a 1lp frozen ire with t5 cast speed on it :p

neon lynx
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The random tp is kinda ass

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But it gives so much movespeed

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U just run around everywhere

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Faster than if you were teleporting lol

neat flame
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its really easy to hit 150+ ms on a proper wrong wapr setup

raw tartan
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for all my fellow mana strike spark charge RM“s - reworked quite everything (passive trees + skill trees) besides flame ward skill tree given you were also using the maxroll guide to start with it (ignore my bad gear pls)

silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (7) / Spellblade (35) / Runemaster (51)

General:

ā–ø Health: 1,943, Regen: 20/s
ā–ø Mana: 120, Regen: 8/s
ā–ø Ward Retention: 426%, Regen: 61/s
ā–ø Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 100 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
ā–ø Resistances: 71% / 79% / 71% / 66% / 66% / 73% / 71%
ā–ø EHP: 2,315 / 2,419 / 2,315 / 2,367 / 2,219 / 2,372 / 2,326

Defenses:

ā–ø Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 389
ā–ø Dodge Chance: 3% (91)
ā–ø Armor Mitigation: 18% (610)
ā–ø Crit Avoidance: 31%

Damage Types:

ā–ø Lightning / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

ā–ø Enchant Weapon (Passive)

Used skills:

• Enchant Weapon (20)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Frost Claw (21)
• Mana Strike (21)
• Lightning Blast (21)

crimson valve
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wrong warp is amazingly good. 300% increased spell damage if u reach 100% move speed, 35% cast speed and that good unique lock mechanic

neon lynx
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Pretty substantial buff lol

sturdy summit
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there are 4 core items for low life builds, right? exsang, last steps.... is twisted heart the third one? what's 4?

crimson valve
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no twisted is full hp

neon lynx
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Experimental gloves

sturdy summit
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experimental gloves, right, what's 4

crimson valve
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afaik it's 3?! isn' it gloves boots and exang?

neon lynx
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I see a lot of them running shackles

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For the ward retention

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Idk how necessary it is tho

sturdy summit
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ah, I guess it's shackles

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okay, good, then I just need to be on the hunt for experimental gloves

limpid drum
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why ppl use eternal gauntlets ? is it for defense purposees or?

raw tartan
crimson valve
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dayum that's good

neat flame
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dots are one of the deadliest sources of dmg taken

crimson valve
raw tartan
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1958 so quite low still

crimson valve
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8.5k with 2k hp is already pretty good

raw tartan
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well but you gotta say that i got t7 gloves

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im at 50% health to ward 55% is max all BiS

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those make a huge difference

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steps can just be 10-12 exs always 20

crimson valve
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you got LP on those?

raw tartan
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even linked my char about a minute ago if u“re interested

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still gearing everything tho

sturdy summit
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oh, so low life builds don't actually get to low life (35%)? Is that just a lich thing, then, for the buffs that trigger at low life?

raw tartan
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this is just the gear i dropped with my main

raw tartan
crimson valve
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oh yeah i see

sturdy summit
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oh, I must have misunderstood what you meant by 50% health.

crimson valve
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no i ask for his hp because those items grant u ward based on ur missing hp. so the more hp u have the more u are missing and the more ward u get

sturdy summit
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I did, gotcha

raw tartan
sturdy summit
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right, I parsed that wrong

raw tartan
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well and if you got every stats as high as it can get you can have 55% of that

sturdy summit
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nice

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good to have a target.

raw tartan
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but ward retention is also a big thing then, since immense ward per second won“t do much without enough retention tho

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still at just 430% so far / 95 int

sturdy summit
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which is why shackles are so good

raw tartan
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i got like 8.5 town ward / about 10-12 echo / bosses around 13-17 depending how long i can stand still

sturdy summit
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and what corruption?

raw tartan
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just 312

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im more or less still farming

sturdy summit
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that's good. We should start calling 300 "par" :p

limpid drum
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whats the best option on gloves for frostclaw nova build?

raw tartan
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@stiff crown is having a decked out setup of mine and runs 700-800 corr if i remember correctly

sturdy summit
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like, even without LP

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if you're not a frostbite build, you'll need lp on them

limpid drum
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whats lp?

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light pene`?

raw tartan
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Legendary potential, how much affixes that can get slammed on

limpid drum
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i see thaks

sturdy summit
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legendary potential, which lets you add affixes to a unique, up to the potential, randomly, by destroying a 4-affix exalted item.

raw tartan
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You can "fuse" exalteds into uniques to get a legendary and the LP says how many random affixes of the exalted you put into are applied

hollow rover
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yeah shackles is what im after now about to fight Formosus now wish me luck XD

sturdy summit
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good luck!

raw tartan
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Tried a shackles setup on my marksman and well... There's a reason i rerolled lol

hollow rover
sturdy summit
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I was lucky to get a 0lp shackles very quickly, because I'm doing frostbite and can use the 0lp

hollow rover
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yeah same i would like LP but its no necessary

limpid drum
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but to fuse items in need LP on them no?

sturdy summit
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right

raw tartan
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Yes and u need to kill julra to have access to the foundary u will need

sturdy summit
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the Eternity Cache

raw tartan
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1 julra kill = 1 time a x LP slam

sturdy summit
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julra is the boss of Temporal Sanctum

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the reward for doing that dungeon is being able to make a legendary, even moreso than Julra's loot (which isn't bad)

limpid drum
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never dropped anyy unqiue with lp and im 73

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i joined merchants guild to buy them

sturdy summit
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level 60 is when you should start seeing uniques, but by going merchant guild, you nerfed your drop rates, so maybe it's higher for you

stiff crown
limpid drum
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im grinding echoes for lvl rn i never did any other content lol

stiff crown
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Btw, I'm testing the thing you suggested vs Mana Storm. Will show results shortly

hollow rover
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eh didnt get shackle but i did get 1lp snowdrif from a prophecy

sturdy summit
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Formosus, who drops shackles, is the boss of that

hollow rover
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if he is after shackles he can come join me in empowered i just got here so only 100 corruption

limpid drum
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i dont even know where the corruption content is lol

hollow rover
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atfter you beat the 3 lvl 90 monos they get empowered

sturdy summit
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after you finish the level 90 timelines, you can unlock it by going to the island in between them

limpid drum
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ah lol well im only lvl 73 rn

sturdy summit
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you can do empowered as early as level 80

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don't let being underlevelled stop you. Your character's power has already detached itself completely from the level of the zone

hollow rover
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yh im 82 just got to empowered

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its 2 gazes per orobys right ?

sturdy summit
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that's what people recommend

hollow rover
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alright ill farm out the stability to fight him once more before rasing my corruption

limpid drum
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i can finally spam frost claw!!!

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thanks alot guys

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omg

sturdy summit
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nice!

hollow rover
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really need to fix my phys and necrotic res lol

hollow rover
sturdy summit
hollow rover
sturdy summit
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yeah, I have frozen ire, but I can't stop getting otherwise good gear that just happens to have necrotic resist

hollow rover
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damn you need that cold res xP

limpid drum
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or any better ideas?

sturdy summit
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look at the bottom center-right

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the nodes that makes FC hit the same target multiple times, and gives it +2 projectiles

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those are really good

limpid drum
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okay so ele nova to 3 then rest to get the one u just told me?

sturdy summit
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yeah. I'm not sure about upper left.

limpid drum
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ele nova one?

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or glacier

sturdy summit
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sorry, upper left

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I actually don't remember what those nodes do

limpid drum
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yea im not speccing into upper left then, ill go for the one you told me

limpid drum
sturdy summit
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oh yeah, nova will do you for all the ice aoe you need

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do you want to do crit, or dot?

stiff crown
# stiff crown Btw, I'm testing the thing you suggested vs Mana Storm. Will show results shortl...

@raw tartan In short, for single target, the results are about the same. I seem to get more stacks of armor shred with Mana Storm because even though the game only shows 1 number for damage, it still counts as 2 separate hits. I tested this by hitting an enemy with and without the node. I get 8 vs 4 stacks (I have 405% armor shred). So with Mana Storm, I can max out (visually and maybe actually?) at 999 armor shred stacks, but the DPS is about the same due to the added damage from the other nodes. However, the non-Mana Storm route gives you more mob clearing ability. So I think it's best to not go Mana Storm when you can put points in Rune Sap and stuff. For my tests, I ran 3 runs of the Blood, Frost, Death monolith boss at 676 corruption with each build and recorded. Only did from 100% to 50% HP due to size of clips. I clipped the best runs from each build here. With Mana Storm: https://imgur.com/a/df83mvC. Without Mana Storm: https://imgur.com/a/A9pm2dS

hollow rover
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if he puts 2 more points into ele nova he will be 1 short for the ice barrage you are sugesting

dreamy cosmos
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dude i cannot stay alive at 200 corruption with runemaster

sturdy summit
dreamy cosmos
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109% crit avoidance, all maxed resist.

sturdy summit
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I think if you use ice barrage, cast it manually

hollow rover
sturdy summit
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yeah, I'm not in favor of that.

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I think defensive stuff should be reactive

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using it at the right time is the most important thing

hollow rover
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it can stack the frostbites to an absurd amount im geting around 250+ stacks and i only have 43% cast speed lol

sturdy summit
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hmmm, maybe. I'd rather just get more armor shred/frostbite chance, and frostbite duration. I easily get over 500, and it should be more

dreamy cosmos
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what is the key to staying alive at 200 corruption?

hollow rover
sturdy summit
autumn dagger
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^

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there is unironically tons

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of it floating around

hollow rover
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low life to ward is another option or just ward generation in general providing you can get a semi decent amount of it

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im getting around 5k atm its not really enough buts thats due to a lack of cast speed

sturdy summit
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ward generation is a really important topic with a lot to say about it, but I think if I were to identify one thing that is THE key, it's having those layers of DR

autumn dagger
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im only at about 5k also

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but im lvl 66

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soo got alot of growth

hollow rover
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im 82 but my ward generation comes from casting frostclaw so the faster i cast the faster generate just not found ay decent cast speed stuu that works witth my build yet 😦

autumn dagger
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i use 2 invoker rings

sturdy summit
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same here, I get a ton of ward from casting FC, and if I were to run out of mana, my defenses start to sputter :p

hollow rover
autumn dagger
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im spellblade using the claw + enig offhand

hollow rover
autumn dagger
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really sucks i cant post snips

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makes me screem

sturdy summit
autumn dagger
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its all ward? always has been šŸ”«

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also im psure that charge stacking runemaster is supposed to be crazy

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for sparkcharge

sturdy summit
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there are a lot of varieties of spark charge that are quite popular right now, yeah, but I don't recommend them to people who are asking for beginner builds unless they ask specifically for that

autumn dagger
silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (32) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (59) / Runemaster (15)

General:

ā–ø Health: 1,028, Regen: 20/s
ā–ø Mana: 260, Regen: 10/s
ā–ø Ward Retention: 376%, Regen: 135/s
ā–ø Attributes: 5 Str / 19 Dex / 68 Int / 11 Att / 5 Vit
ā–ø Resistances: 145% / 116% / 185% / 239% / 103% / 52% / 78%
ā–ø EHP: 1,222 / 1,222 / 1,222 / 1,277 / 1,222 / 990 / 1,222

Defenses:

ā–ø Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 206
ā–ø Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
ā–ø Armor Mitigation: 13% (361)
ā–ø Crit Avoidance: 22%

Damage Types:

ā–ø Lightning / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

ā–ø None

Used skills:

• Mana Strike (21)
• Lightning Blast (21)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Firebrand (21)
• Frost Claw (21)

autumn dagger
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this is what im aiming for basicly

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im missing the stormcarved atm

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strand of souls and oceareon

still stump
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holy +4 frost claw actually exists lol

marble eagle
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Playing lightning frostclaw nova runemaster and literally cant play the game during peak hours. Anyone else playing this build get incredible lag during peak hours ??

sturdy summit
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oceareon is so weird. It's such a good cold ring, and then there's that random shock modifier.

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but I guess, hey, I can get shock. np

autumn dagger
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the freeze multi is actually wicked for frostclaw

sturdy summit
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oh yeah, it even comes with shock chance

sturdy summit
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hmm, does freeze chance per stack of chill get used by snowdrift boots?

autumn dagger
silk pewterBOT
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Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (23) / Spellblade (57) / Runemaster (13)

General:

ā–ø Health: 1,000, Regen: 20/s
ā–ø Mana: 159, Regen: 8/s
ā–ø Ward Retention: 1057%, Regen: 190/s
ā–ø Attributes: 4 Str / 7 Dex / 128 Int / 4 Att / 4 Vit
ā–ø Resistances: 116% / 481% / 116% / 73% / 82% / 96% / 98%
ā–ø EHP: 41,061 / 41,061 / 41,061 / 49,140 / 41,061 / 41,061 / 41,061

Defenses:

ā–ø Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 200
ā–ø Dodge Chance: 1% (39)
ā–ø Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,445)

Damage Types:

ā–ø Cold, Lightning / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

ā–ø Ambition (20/20), Arcane Shield (4/4), Blade Weaving (3/3), Runeword Cataclysm, Haste, Enchant Weapon (Active)

Used skills:

• Shatter Strike (22)
• Mana Strike (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Frost Claw (20)
• Enchant Weapon (20)

Used unique items:
autumn dagger
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also this is pretty cool looking

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dual buzz buzz setup

sturdy summit
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does that build directly cast frost claw?

autumn dagger
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no

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both of those i linked

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trigger it

sturdy summit
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I don't play a spellblade. How do they trigger it?

autumn dagger
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30% chance via talent

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attack v fast = lots of procs of it

sturdy summit
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from shatter?

autumn dagger
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nah mana strike

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and shatter ig

sturdy summit
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ah, nice. so that's something I could use if I made a melee runemaster ;d

autumn dagger
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because its all melee skills have a chance irc

sturdy summit
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oh, is it a passive?

autumn dagger
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on frostclaw yea

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its the bottom route

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also that free rate multi

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for ward

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irc runemaster is better then spellblade because it has more cdr access

sturdy summit
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oh, Macuahuitl. Wow, I guess I totally blanked that node out because it said melee...

autumn dagger
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soo can upkeep ward and enchant wep

safe grail
autumn dagger
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like the spark setup i mean

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but yea that spellblade build looks sick

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just easier to setup the charge one

sturdy summit
autumn dagger
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tldr runemaster is overtuned

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same with falc

sturdy summit
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yeaaaah

autumn dagger
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theyj ust got like

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way to good nodes

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and % on stuff

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like that falc node that gives 100% glance blow with the erased shield

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is wild

sturdy summit
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I'm levelling a falconer right now, and it feels like all the nodes suck.

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but they don't

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clearly not

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it just feels like I don't want anything.

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for certain key skills

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but the things you DO want are seriously good

safe grail
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that spellblade build is very easy to gear out omg lol

autumn dagger
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falc is just umbral shadowdagger sim till like what 35 points into tree

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lol

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yea 30 for aerial assault

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which is your main like shabang

sturdy summit
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30 for ballista

autumn dagger
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ur cream of the crop

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that skill is soo overloaded that its hilarious ng

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when you go ward lowlife it also generates ward for you

sturdy summit
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don't even use aerial assault. shift or decoy and smoke bomb. falcon, dive bomb, ballista

autumn dagger
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dang

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im surprised considering it gives your ballis 75% inc as

sturdy summit
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the ballistas aren't there to shoot, they're there to explode

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shooting is just a perk

autumn dagger
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ah ur that build

sturdy summit
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yes, the eye cancer build

autumn dagger
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ah yes just flashbang myself

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every 0.5

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surely my eyes will be fine :clueless:

sturdy summit
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my eyes are already not fine

autumn dagger
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based'

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the full aerial assault build is pgood

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you just aerial assault everything around you takes like 50k + from aerial then you just chuck a shitload of umbrals out

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that all explode and then apply like 50k + tooltip umbrals

sturdy summit
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I was doing aerial assault before I finished the campaign, but I have all these apogees lying around, so I thought... I want to use them for something, and if I do it on falconer, I can dual wield them!

pastel heart
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Hey guys, its mandatory that a mage use an sceptre build, I have a good staff but no shield

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?

sturdy summit
hollow rover
sturdy summit
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wand or sceptre and catalyst are often prefered by runemasters because of some particular passives we have. staves aren't unheard of either.

pastel heart
hollow rover
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sceptres are generally used because of the -mana cost they can get but if you build dont need that you can use wands or staffs jsut fine

pastel heart
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:3

sturdy summit
hollow rover
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and i presume a wand with a -3 implicit cannot get Spellslinger correct ?

sturdy summit
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that's right

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spellslinger is only on sceptres

hollow rover
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ya hence the sceptres just being better for some builds

sturdy summit
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but that's at the top end

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t7 and even t6 spellslinger is really hard to find

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and very expensive on the market

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if you're not at that point yet, a wand is fine too

hollow rover
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yeah im still not using frozen ire because i have a T6 spellslinger sceptre

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if i switch to ire i run into mana problems but i wanna get shackles asap before i look for an lp ire

sturdy summit
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is it because you're autocasting barrage?

hollow rover
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it is its expensive lol

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46 cost lol

sturdy summit
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maybe the adjustment you should make is to not autocast that :p

hollow rover
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yh i have just 1 point so its only 5% otherwise i would have mana issues even with -mana

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but maybe i should look into the tree a bi more and just no be lazy and manual cast barrage on tougher enemies

hoary kernel
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sorceres is so broken im lvl 22 and do 5kdmg with one spell

safe grail
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it's okay. sorc sucks later.

sturdy summit
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harsh, but fair

hollow rover
safe grail
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i just tell it like it is, brothers.

hoary kernel
safe grail
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I'm uh... not joking lmao

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sorc is super subpar in the endgame lol

hoary kernel
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you played it?

tough crane
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Got mah Twisted/Bleeding Heart, Shackles, and T6 mvspeed Snowdrift, T6 mana reduction scepter. We blasting now bois!

safe grail
hoary kernel
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game isnt in beta anymore ,-,

safe grail
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it can be in beta or 1.0, sorc is still just behind RM unfortunately.

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das all.

hollow rover
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i am 100% sure that Freezing Cascade from Ele Nova is NOT proccing when it is cast via Frostclaw

hoary kernel
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doesnt mean it sucks lol

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and idk why u even bring rm into the confersation

hollow rover
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because it is objectively better in every aspect

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not that im jumping on the band wagon just stating the known facts

sturdy summit
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let's not outright discourage people from playing sorc, but let's say, that sorc has some issues with survivability in the lategame

safe grail
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Welcome to the corner of why sorc needs some love;

-Sorc has survivability issues later on
-Sorc has objectively worse passives than RM, including the mastery passives
-Builds on sorc are just straight better on RM

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oof

hoary kernel
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quite a challenge ig

safe grail
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yeah

sturdy summit
hoary kernel
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ill make it work

safe grail
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you could try that mana stacking sorc build on HC

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that build kinda cranks for survivability.

sturdy summit
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yeah, you can make it work

hoary kernel
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just max out the flame ward and spam that

sturdy summit
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check out lightning aegis, and what tools you have to access that buff, 25% less damage is huge.

safe grail
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think sorc can proc it the same way.

sturdy summit
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static?

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or lb?

safe grail
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ye

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and static orb too i guess

sturdy summit
# hoary kernel lightning aegis?

it's a buff. there's no lightning aegis skill, but it's a buff you can get by speccing certain skills (static orb, lightning blast) or with idols (chance to get the buff when hit). It's a big survivability tool, and does other stuff too

hollow rover
sturdy summit
hoary kernel
sturdy summit
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yeah, it's great. but especially on hc, you'll want it for the damage reduction.

hoary kernel
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right now ill stay with fire tho cuz I got the unique calimity helmet

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gives 80% fire dmg 136% ignite chance

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makes my fire spells go boom

sturdy summit
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I would hate to play this game hardcore, because damage is a cliff. Everything is easy until you get oneshot.

hoary kernel
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nah thats fun

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gotta look into stuff to prevent that

hollow rover
sturdy summit
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I recall the entire cascade going trielemental

hoary kernel
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rn when I get stunned I gain a flaim ward automattivly and when I get below 30% hp I get lots of ward so its easy not to get onetapped

sturdy summit
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oh yeah, that's a really good node

hollow rover
sturdy summit
sharp sedge
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Looking to select a mastery for Mage. Which is more fun with less overall management between spellblade and runemaster?

sturdy summit
hollow rover
safe grail
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sorry didnt wanna die in a boss fight

neon lynx
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You have to manage to make the class not bad when u play spellblade

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A tall task

sturdy summit
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🤣

safe grail
sharp sedge
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Alright. Thanks all

neon lynx
safe grail
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5:1 ratio aint good odds lmao

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well, i guess it depends on what side of the coin you're sitting

teal oasis
safe grail
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nerd

teal oasis
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1.75:0.25

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I can’t care less to go farther

safe grail
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lmao fair

neon lynx
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And those 2 spell blade builds would rank among the bottom part of the 10 rm builds

crimson valve
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nah nah nah. that's 1.25:0.25 bruv

neon lynx
crimson valve
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cmon now

teal oasis
sturdy summit
crimson valve
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ā¤ļø ā¤ļø

teal oasis
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I was thinking of 3.5

safe grail
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good rehash, but rehash nevertheless.

crimson valve
teal oasis
somber vessel
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why are people playing spark FC instaed of cold FC, i tried both and cold is dealing way more damage

weary perch
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Am I doing something wrong or does Flame Rush just not work in almost all of Emperor of Corpses' boss area?

sturdy summit
somber vessel
somber vessel
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1

sturdy summit
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you should consider that perhaps those builds don't work if you don't have better items

somber vessel
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i see, im doing 1.1M a tick with cold FC

sturdy summit
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I think what makes the spark charge builds so valued is because of how well they can scale when you get really good items on them.

spring violet
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Hello o/ What does freeze rate multiplier do?

shell fern
sturdy summit
ruby bluff
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I've got a hot youtuber tip, if you want to force interaction on your video just don't spec static orb because even though you explain as to why to you don't need to spec more people will still flood you with the same damned question

weary perch
sturdy summit
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I gotta admit, I also got trapped by that

weary perch
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Makes dashing through frost wall a pain

shell fern
ruby bluff
weary perch
sturdy summit
ruby bluff
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There is another guy who has some really sick tech for the belt that I totally missed, guy called bootynoodles.
He is using a very nice slammed heart of the jungle, a massive potion belt. which with the ladle is just a massive mana font lol

spring violet
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Thanks Philipov. Also, another question. Is the minion health perk relevant to all classes? Or just necromancers cause they have minions.

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I am an ice mage so I don't think it does anything for me

sturdy summit
spring violet
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Gotcha, thanks!

hollow rover
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hmm i just read the wording on flame wards dmage buff and its increased not more im wondering if i should spec flame rush again for its frenzy buff as im spamming that to get around the map whereas i only ever cast flame ward for bosses or elites/super dense packs

sturdy summit
hollow rover
strange karma
sturdy summit
strange karma
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it would be if they did something instead of just taunting

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anyway, i still agree with you

sturdy summit
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I hope they at least have a good taunt animation

ruby bluff
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speccing flame rush is overated

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I will die on this hill

sturdy summit
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maybe I should give flame rush another try. I really can't give up my unspecced teleport.

hollow rover
ruby bluff
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teleport in this game feels so weirdly jarring

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to me *

sturdy summit
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it's the opposite for me, flame rush feels really clunky to me. Teleport skips past terrain barriers and is perfect for dodging mechanics

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only problem is it doesn't provide an F rune

hollow rover
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flame rush is super clunky sometimes i will hold cast and it will just cast on the spot other times terrain is a real issue

teal oasis
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There is a minion

ruby bluff
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ohw yeah flame rush bugs out all the time too lol

teal oasis
wet patio
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yea flame rush could use some polishing

sturdy summit
hollow rover
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a lot of the traversal skill could use polishing xD

teal oasis
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They’re trash, but still a minion technically

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And technically all classes have minions anyway if you use the beekeeper uniques

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Bee go brr

ruby bluff
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I don't think a genuine bee build has been really good for a hot min now :p

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prob still better than melee shaman >.>

hollow rover
sturdy summit
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everyone knows resto shaman is better than enhancement

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I mean, what game was this again

ruby bluff
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I mean you prob can make a bee build happen as a beast master or druid I suppose

stable crow
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Algun latino aqui?

ruby bluff
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time for them to make a unique that boosts bees and makes every shrine a bee shrine

hollow rover
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interesting i spawned into an echo that reveals more of the web and the beacon was where i spawned lmao

hollow rover
grand karma
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so i had someone boost me and then take me to the end of time to unlock my mastery, but even though i have the levels and "completed" the quest i still cannot upgrade my passive tree?

sturdy summit
hollow rover
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hrm interesting ive never known anyone to run into that issue

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the only hing i can think of is some quest being a trigger and perhaps that quest was not completed and im referingto a quest before the one you stated that yo did

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however knowing what that quest would be is a mystery to me

sturdy summit
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yeah, probably bugged it by skipping too far

hollow rover
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damn you formosus where are my shackles

hard egret
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Anyone have a video/stream of someone leveling a runemaster? I would love to watch it

delicate estuary
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Has anyone tested "Closed Circuit"? The Lightning Blast node that's supposed to allow it to chain off yourself. Doesn't seem like it's working at the training dummy

rocky gale
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So i am playing spar charge runemaster and my dps for clearing to bosses is good but boss damage is low, is this build just generally not good for bosses? Also, besides plasma orb what is the better end of builds for runemaster?

wicked axle
warm ocean
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Anyoen else finding FOCUS doesnt always regen your mana? Like it just pauses it

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so weird

safe grail
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t7 mana strike/t4 int/t4 armor on an arcane regalia base. that's an item

next lance
thick rover
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Seems like everybody is going frost claw rm

next lance
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And there is ice frost claw + elemental novas/ice barrage

thick rover
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Yeah I saw

stiff crown
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I'm using the Mana Strike variation for RM. Seems okay. Bossing a little slower it seems, but I don't know how other classes are doing at high corruption

thick rover
warm ocean
stiff cradle
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So i am using the modifier for runebolt that changes the cold cast to fire so I can easilly get off my plasma orbs. Only problem is the game seems to miss inputs sometime (either i invoke with 2 runes or it delays my invoke and i invoke the wrong spell) and I end up messing up my rotation, also getting stunned completely breaks my cycle as well, all in all it makes my runemaster feel terrible and clunky. When the class works its feels great but any interuption is just terrible. Anyone have a solution or work around?

soft jetty
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if I purchased gear on Merchants guild character for another build, can that other character use that gear as long as it goes merchants guild too?

warm ocean
tough mist
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does anyone have a good frostclaw runemaster build i can follow for minmaxing

worn dagger
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I'm playing a full fire runemaster (fireball, flame rush, frost wall (fire) and Rah Rah Rah), I'm 80 at the moment finishing my lv90 monolith, I don't think my gear is great nor my build but I'm one shotting everything and I have always at least 50% ward. Is it normal? Or am I accidentally strong?

inner burrow
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it's normal

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going into empowered monos, where you'll feel like you're lacking is going to be your defenses

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but I would say full fire is quite reasonable for awhile, so enjoy the build if you're having fun. I quite enjoyed the massive explosions when I tried it

worn dagger
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Ok cool ty for your answer. Yes fire is super fun, and I love the synergy between flame rush and frost(fire) wall, it feels like playing soccer

static flax
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shatterstrike mages feel so weak t_t

stoic bronze
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I've been noticing the same but my build kinda sucks rn just farming some of the uniques

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Feels very gear dependent

jaunty widget
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Is it a good pick plasma orb runemaster for a beginner in last epoch and also in arpg? Or should I go other ?

compact cloak
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It takes a bit of gear to get rolling and has a bit of a piano playstyle imo.

polar juniper
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ugh i'm almost lvl 99 and still haven't found a twisted heart -_-. def going merchant next time. doing the dragon line over and over is getting to me lol

hallow hedge
silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

ā–ø Health: 1,083, Regen: 20/s
ā–ø Mana: 256, Regen: 11/s
ā–ø Ward Retention: 536%, Regen: 25/s
ā–ø Attributes: 24 Str / 19 Dex / 140 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
ā–ø Resistances: 41% / 109% / 116% / 61% / 90% / 75% / 63%
ā–ø EHP: 1,322 / 1,778 / 1,778 / 1,703 / 1,644 / 1,644 / 1,462

Defenses:

ā–ø Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 217
ā–ø Dodge Chance: 5% (159)
ā–ø Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,104)

Damage Types:

ā–ø Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

ā–ø None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (25)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Runic Invocation (25)
• Frost Claw (26)
• Flame Ward (22)

vivid torrent
hallow hedge
turbid dome
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For the spell blade, is there one damage type that I should focus on that's better or more advantageous than the other types

vivid torrent
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If you go for shatter strike it's going to be cold. There is also lightning builds, or fire aura builds that can go into any of the 3 elements

fluid crater
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looking for suggestions as to a decent mage build that i can start using fairly quick and level with ?

verbal zenith
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I love my shatterstrike mage ngl

verbal zenith
dense prairie
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how does htis math work out, the unique sceptre Firestarter's torch says -4 mana cost for fire spells

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but it only takes -1 off of some spells and takes nothing off of some

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and the ones it doesn't reduce mana cost for are the ones with little-to-no built in "cooldown recovery" perks

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Flame Rush for example, I have 2/3 of the cooldown recovery perk which is only 6% recovery, virtually nothing, and firestarter's torch doesn't reduce the mana cost of this spell at all, not even -1 let alone -4, is it bugged?

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oh wait, I forgot that I'm losing -3 from my wand so it should be -1 at least

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but it's not even -1 for some....weird

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I assumed initially it was a calculation thing with cooldown recovery, but the spells with no CDR seem to be least affected šŸ¤”

foggy shell
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Omg just got this game about 24hrs ago.
Runemaster is so fun, im not sure ill be able to play another class now!
Trying to work out whats the best combos is half the fun of this class

polar juniper
winter crow
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thats a rare drop

polar juniper
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ā¤ļø ty

glossy quarry
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my man

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FPS insanely drop

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with the insane ele frost claw nova build

heady badge
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anyone found a fix to the insane fps drops on ice shatterstrike?

glossy quarry
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I dont know what else to lower

icy umbra
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have you turned off flashing enemies

teal juniper
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I dont know if this is asking for too much. Are there any caster builds like this?

  1. a caster that is very mobile (even better if they can cast while moving)

  2. great damage/speed & boss clearing (of course)

  3. relatively simple button mechanics. I dont like complicated building up stacks or waiting for procs. I just just blowing stuff up ?

glossy quarry
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Ah hmmm, frostbite frost claw is building up stacks but they build up so fast

glossy quarry
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different builds

teal juniper
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I dont mind stack building if its something that just kidna happens, you dont have to micromanage it

glossy quarry
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do you want to do this?

teal juniper
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wow that looks cool as hell

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oh man hahaha

glossy quarry
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you can only play it during daylight

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as at night it will destroy your eyes

teal juniper
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lol

glossy quarry
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Yeah I am playing that right now

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deletes all

teal juniper
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It lokos like a blast

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literally

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so it uses flame rush, not teleport. is teleport a 'better' movement skill?

glossy quarry
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bro only needs to cast once, if RNG blesses 4 explosions occur once

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an enemy gets exploded on every angle possible

glossy quarry
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if he was to get teleport, he would not get the runic invocation he wants

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which is Cold-fire-cold

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gives 30% damage reduction shield

teal juniper
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good point

hollow rover
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i finally got my Frostbite Shackles no LP tho 😦

teal juniper
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so is it annoying to have to manage the spell order for runic invocation? That's one thing that worries me about runemaster

glossy quarry
glossy quarry
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you may "manually" do it

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but there is a node in Runic invocation that allows the rune to be in order of left to right

hollow rover
glossy quarry
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so if u have 3 spells in left to right of fire lightning and cold, it will give that combo

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so you won't worry

keen bough
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Yo if I am not a runemaster is Transcendence really worth the 6 points ?

glossy quarry
hollow rover
glossy quarry
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24 ward per second

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but you will have a lot of int anyways

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isn't there a build around that with 700 mana?

hollow rover
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wait i just noticed something with transcendence it states ward over time tripled with 60 int the base ward is 12 per sec and 24 with 60 int 24 is double not triple

keen bough
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12+24=36 12*3=36 šŸ˜›

hollow rover
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oh its including the base 12 within the calculation

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still worded poorly imo

keen bough
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Yeah its worded weird for sure

winter crow
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is ward per second actually good with high retention?

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I havent tested it

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like how effective it is vs other types of ward gen

hollow rover
winter crow
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hmm ok

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im about to do some cooking

hollow rover
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ward per sec with high retention is surprisingly strong providing the retention is high aenough and you get a deventt amount of ward per sec

winter crow
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its going to be expensive but at this point, im minmaxing so worth it

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give me a min to do julra and ill post it

hollow rover
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if i had a little more ward per sec id probs be sitting at like 2k base ward that perma

winter crow
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thats good for like when you enter high corr or high arena level

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cuz you dont have big ward at the start

hollow rover
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yeaah 2k dont sound great but when its always there it makes a difference lol

winter crow
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I have been oneshotted in 1.6k corr by the pillars cuz no ward at beginning xd

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2k with my armor and resistances its alot

hollow rover
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as far as i know the higher your retention the greater the benifit from wps

winter crow
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feels good to do 0 risk slams cuz 4lp xD

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give me a sec and ill post it

hollow rover
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also a little ward decay threshold can help i have +65 on my bel without the belt the ward is 440 perma with it 530

waxen sigil
winter crow
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https://gyazo.com/8fc43217bcc991d49375214173b1a7a7 replaced my erased gloves with this, first of all, I KNOW fireball is thrash, but this are relatively cheap 4lp gloves (15-20m ish price) and on top of the 4 stats, they give light dmg and ward retention which are free stats to minmax endgame lol

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once I get like 150m to buy proper unique 4lp gloves ill replace

hollow rover
# waxen sigil Not really

i litteraly have 18 wps with 492% retention and that alone give me a perma 530 ward with more wps it can be pretty good

winter crow
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and if they ever buff fireball to a point where its good, I have them already specced lol

waxen sigil
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Fireball is good guys

winter crow
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I havent seen a good fireball build in high corr

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rn spark charge fc is the king

waxen sigil
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Idk what high is anymore after the change

winter crow
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I consider high anything more than 1.5k-2k

waxen sigil
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What was high in beta?

winter crow
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idk, I didnt play beta

waxen sigil
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Thought it all got number crunched so that 2k beta would be like 700 now or something

hollow rover
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is that 21 wps all you have atm @winter crow if so how much base ward did it give at what % retention

waxen sigil
hollow rover
waxen sigil
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You just have to put in the WPS and Rention n it will graph it

winter crow
hollow rover
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ah gotcha idk how much wps or retention he has to work it out lol

winter crow
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I have 624 ward with 685% retention

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with like 36 wps

hollow rover
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so 36 wps with almost 700% retention give 624 base see if you could somehow squeeze in like 100 or 200 wps that should be much higher

waxen sigil
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In my opinion you guys should not be focusing on WPS and instead try to get ward sources that scale w # of events

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That are scalable themselves

hollow rover
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not entirely sure how much higher but having some base that wont go away is always nice

winter crow
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from unique gear

waxen sigil
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Yeah awesome

hollow rover
waxen sigil
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Okay glad you guys get it

winter crow
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yeah ward gets super high anyways

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its just nice to have a bit for when you enter a map

hollow rover
winter crow
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its prob getting nerfed

waxen sigil
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Totally the most op, abusable and bugged system in the game

winter crow
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yeah

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did you abuse ward for your arena record ogre?

waxen sigil
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Yah

hollow rover
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XD at least you are honest

hollow totem
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that's 2 in a row I got no drops from fire lich? Is my game bugged or something?

waxen sigil
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Only way to compete w the lich was to do it, and also I would’ve played my sorc above 1080 legit but my game kept crashing on it bc it was fireball

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And they generate too many entities that have to be tracked and calculated

winter crow
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fc nova also causes crash with high cast speed

waxen sigil
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lol yah man I feel that

winter crow
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managed to still get top 2 mage with that xd so im not touching that again lol

waxen sigil
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I spent a lot of time figuring this game out, too much

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I’ve had 2300 % increased cast speed before

waxen sigil
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Game disintegrates in seconds

winter crow
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cuz its not laggy

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it just crashes

hollow rover
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i need tto stack cast speed so wanna know where i should limit myself

waxen sigil
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Under 300% is fine

hollow rover
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cool nowhere near that yet drops hate me

waxen sigil
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Starts acting really weird at 500, sprites don’t get animated and stuff

hollow rover
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damn lower tthan i thought actually sitting at 43% not good lol

waxen sigil
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You can’t really get above 300% anyway realistically

winter crow
hollow rover
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finding the bases i need with cast speed and other stats i need has been rough

winter crow
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and when I cast the anmation doesnt appear

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but the dmg does

waxen sigil
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Eh, the bases don’t really matter too much they’re all gonna be going on uniques anyway

winter crow
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yeah

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lp uniques is the endgame

winter crow
hollow rover
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no my build uses 3 uniques only

hollow rover
waxen sigil
hollow rover
waxen sigil
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This is what happened to my FB, casting gave me lag and I couldn’t react to things with 1s + delay

winter crow
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yeah, thats my problem with arena

hollow rover
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i believe it can happen in other arpgs such as PoE idk if D4 lets you get that crazy with stats tho

waxen sigil
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Totally bro it’s such a bad game system, arena

winter crow
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like the main reason ppl tell me they dont do it its cause it takes too long

hollow rover
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i avoid arena for that exact reason lol

waxen sigil
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My game crashed on wave 2980

hollow rover
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does it still count the wave on LB if you crash ?

waxen sigil
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On what

hollow rover
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leaderboard

waxen sigil
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Yah

hollow rover
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well thats relieving i guess but still annoying when you know you could push further

waxen sigil
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I’m curious to see where it’s at now

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Oh I could’ve went forever

hollow rover
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and hen have to spend hours getting to that point again only to risk crashing once more

waxen sigil
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Just didn’t want to and it’s unhealthy

hollow rover
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if i got that high and it crashed on me i dont hink i would have the patience to go again lol

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oh yeah i dont blame you not worth risking your mental over lol

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or giving yourself carpel tunnel or w.e is called lol

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hrm if a echo modifer is enemies have 200% increased crit chance does that counter my 100% cri avoid ?

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i presume no but because its 100% over my crit avoid im not sure how the game calculates that

waxen sigil
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No

hollow rover
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i thought as much but wanted to be sure so that i didnt throw myself in a sticky situation lol

waxen sigil
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Enemies have 5 % base chance, if they have 200% increase of that 5% then they have 5 x (1 + %) so 15% . Even if they had one trillion % increased crit chance, you multiplied it by 0 with your avoidance cap

hollow rover
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good too know just wasnt aware crit is calculated the same way for enemies as it is with players i presume then there are no modifers that give them flat crit like we can get

waxen sigil
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Wouldn’t matter anyway

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Given that you are avoiding all crits

hollow rover
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well if they had flat and % within the same echo it would right ?

waxen sigil
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Multiply any number by 0

hollow rover
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oh right yes they cant crit me but im refering to in general if your not crit capped

waxen sigil
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Yeah and I don’t know of any flat sources for enemies

hollow rover
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can they have modifer that give both flat and % crit so that say if i had 50% avoid they couldnt rech that because with % crit at 5% base they s=will still never reach that 50% avoid

waxen sigil
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But largely irrelevant given how easy avoidance is to get and for high end to have reduction

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Umm if you had 50% avoidance and they had infinite percent chance to crit, you’d only receive critical damage 50% of the time

hollow rover
hollow rover
waxen sigil
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Maybe they can get flat, I forgot, there might be a flat modifier

hollow rover
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ah well if they can that makes it all the more irrelevant haha

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but lets say for tthis instance that they cannot

waxen sigil
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Never mattered to me though, only avoided some mods like dodge, endurance, HP/dmg(at times) absurd increased to dmg etc

hollow rover
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i generally tend not to bother even looking at the modifiers cus im softcore and well it really don matter lol i just happened to glance and this one and think hmm i wonder lol

waxen sigil
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It mattered before a lot more in the beta

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The modifiers had a larger magnitude than the corruption

hollow rover
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i didnt actually play his pre 1.0

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new to it since luanch

waxen sigil
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Yah I know lol

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I havent played the launch

hollow rover
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seems like a fair amount regarding echoes may have changed since the launch then if lower corruption back then was technically higher than it is now and that the modifers where more meaningfull and you actually did need to take note of them

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i hink i worded that corruption part poorly but i hink you said something about 700 back then being equivalant to 1k+ or something like that now

compact cloak
fallow zealot
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how rare is 1lp uhkeiros?

winter crow
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not rare anymore, it was expensive the first days

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its low chance to get but worthless in the market cuz theres a ton of ppl farming that mono

unborn hamlet
winter crow
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so its more depending on your corr

unborn hamlet
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I'm at 700 corruption, the chance increase barely does anything

fallow zealot
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is it a boss drop? was wondering cuz I got one for the first time lol

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and i have 200 hrs of playtime since release

unborn hamlet
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It's a boss drop

fallow zealot
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ahh ok lol

unborn hamlet
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From emperor of corpses

fallow zealot
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yeah thats where i got it just now

unborn hamlet
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Getting 1LP first try lucky

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I have 11 0LP in my stash as a reminder of the pain

winter crow
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2lp+ is the juice

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I dont even pickup the 1lps I get

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cuz they are worth nothing in the market

unborn hamlet
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Good on you, not everyone cares about gold or MG

fallow zealot
winter crow
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yeah im not saying everyone should do the same, only mg players

fallow zealot
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I dont play mage/acolyte so had no idea

winter crow
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cof have to play on hardmode and I guess it can be more fun/rewarding to farm your own gear

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ill prob play cof next cycle cuz of that

south crest
hollow rover
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yeah it can be satisfying when you have been farming for a drop and it finally drops for you, you dont get that on MG cus you just go buy what you want there is a sense of uhm whats the word dopamine for CoF lol

winter crow
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Yeah, mg rn is kinda fkd for rare drops cuz they are expensive af

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because of bot inflation

hollow rover
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yeah i imagine the gold bots are ruining the economy

winter crow
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Im glad I bought my gear before inflation

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rn without a good build to farm rare drops to sell on high corr, mg is so bad

winter crow
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low supply = high price

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not very used really

spring talon
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ah I see

fallow zealot
hollow rover
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i believe there are also some cold mage builds that use this

winter crow
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very few ppl that play cold builds can afford it tho

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cuz cold builds cant do high corr efficiently

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high dmg but low ward

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but for marksman it makes sense

fallow zealot
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The lightning marksman build gears off the charts in pricing lol

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Its like doubling every day

hollow rover
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if i was to double my cast speed i would double my ward generation

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if built right on cold mage you should be siting on around 50k ward for bosses

winter crow
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idk if cold builds scale like that, when I see a cold mage hit 50k ward ill believe it

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also even with 50k ward, they dont have the 150-170% increase armor of static shell

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so that ward is like half effective

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compared to lightning build

hollow rover
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oh i agree that lightning is by far supior just not to discount cold xD

winter crow
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xD

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yeah, I guess cold its prob even better to do faster bosses like pre 1200-1500 corr

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and from then you switch to light

tropic phoenix
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In the Firebrand tree, if you have both Incineration and Exothermic, does Flame Reave gain the extra chances to ignite? Both nodes "consume stacks of firebrand", Incineration consumes them all, so do they conflict?

hollow rover
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yeah that probs sounds about right not enough defensive layer at that point with just cold mage

hollow rover
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thats not a concrete answer btw just my assumption

tropic phoenix
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It would at least matter which does the consuming first though, right?

hollow rover
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technically yes however determinging that factor may prove troublesome lol

indigo isle
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Are there any uniques which compliment shattering strike? I can’t find any and it feels like Spellblade uniques are really lacking and rune master got all the love in that regard

tropic phoenix
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I agree. So weird that the fire weapon for spellblade is a two handed staff. Half a staff's innate doesn't even help. And the nodes clearly encourage duel wielding.

hard egret
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anyone have a vod of someone leveling a runemaster

charred quiver
silk pewterBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

ā–ø Health: 1,083, Regen: 20/s
ā–ø Mana: 256, Regen: 11/s
ā–ø Ward Retention: 536%, Regen: 25/s
ā–ø Attributes: 24 Str / 19 Dex / 140 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
ā–ø Resistances: 41% / 109% / 116% / 61% / 90% / 75% / 63%
ā–ø EHP: 1,322 / 1,778 / 1,778 / 1,703 / 1,644 / 1,644 / 1,462

Defenses:

ā–ø Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 217
ā–ø Dodge Chance: 5% (159)
ā–ø Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,104)

Damage Types:

ā–ø Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

ā–ø None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (25)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Runic Invocation (25)
• Frost Claw (26)
• Flame Ward (22)

neon lynx
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Nova does no damage and crit is good

winter crow
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Yeah, also nova dmg is from spark procs

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Not nova itself

charred quiver
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i see, ty! now i just need the rng gods to bless me with twisted heart T_T

rancid sail
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to make fractured crown the runed visage needs 21+ total affix tiers. do sealed ones count?

spice lily
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I’m doing 260 corruption monolith on my runemaster, and feeling a bit stuck.
What is considering as ā€œhighā€ corruption in monolith ?
I see some builds doing over 1000

waxen sigil
tropic phoenix
timber mortar
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Is there currently a build table for RunMaster that can reach 3000 corruption?

tardy comet
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4LP sets RM lol

split talon
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There are like 3 runemaster uniques and one is terrible

tropic phoenix
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Dang. Three uniques and one's bad. How terrible.

split talon
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Compared to spellblade having a bunch of different elemental weapon uniques it can use plus the flamereave ring? Yes absolutely

tropic phoenix
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Fair enough.

split talon
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Also firebrand absolutely has a spell scaling comppnent

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As does flame reave

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Flame based spellblades who build into fire aura can also benefit from the fire set ring

tropic phoenix
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Is Pyre really that good? To bother building spell damage in place of melee? Or to afford 4 points in Arcane Severance?

indigo isle
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Ah cool so I have one build to spec into :^)

split talon
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You realize that flame reave scorched earth also scales off spell damage

indigo isle
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Amazing. Now how can I build around my classes core skill?

tropic phoenix
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Explosion chance on kill? Hmm...

split talon
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By getting cold damage?

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You dont need uniques to have a functioning build

indigo isle
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How exciting! cold damage!

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You proved my point.

split talon
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Not every single build in the game needs a unique to cater to you

hollow rover
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i don think yall need to be this condescending just because you are upset with the build diversity of the class you chose

indigo isle
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Because that's how you have fun playing a game innit

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By reading and minmaxing crit chance to crit mult ratios

split talon
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Also theres literally already a shatter strike unique

hollow rover
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your failing to see the point here its not all about uniques plenty of builds can work without them

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and yes you should do some research into the class you intend to play first

bronze shore
split talon
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Lmao

hollow rover
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and this is why you are having issues getting a build going isnt it ?

indigo isle
split talon
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You're slightly right but you also shouldn't expect that every build has a unique that perfectly fits you

indigo isle
hollow rover
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because you fail to look into it and understand just how it actually works

indigo isle
indigo isle
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What lol

split talon
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Every spellblade ive made has never used shatter strike

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You dont need it

indigo isle
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wtf lol

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I want to use my core skill

split talon
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Ok, you can

indigo isle
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"I HAVE NEVER OPENED A RUNEMASTER WITH INVOCATIONS so you don't need to use it"

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what.

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What kind of arguement is that.