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[rare hare]

guys, I am checking maxroll build for frost claw and there is this text ,, Cooldown Reduction: Increases the uptime for both Flame Ward and Teleport. Not that important for this build since we can get perma Flame Ward uptime with Frost Wall, but manual cast is more mana efficient and more uptime on Teleport is nice to have.,,
How you can have uptime 100% on flame ward with frostwall? I cant see any passive that is working with frostwall and flamewar

[weary steppe]

seems like a you issue where you lack perception, so thats not his fault ^^

[hollow rover]

im just logging in now so that i can clarify which type for you

[stiff crown]

That’s what I’m doing right now. Mana Strike to proc Frost Claw to proc Lightning Blast to proc Spark Charge. Having a lot of crit isn’t that bad since I need Frost Claw to crit to do LB

[mighty bolt]

Me making a DOT build with no crits
Me watching any other crit-builds outperform DOT builds by 200+%

[winter crow]

frost claw can crit like 90% of the time with 60% spell crit

no need to go that high

cuz frostclaw has a crit % not increased crit chance node

[stiff crown]

The guide is messed up. There are a lot of things wrong with it editorially. Probably went through mana revisions and that got left in even through review

[glossy quarry]

Frostbite frost claw can help you

[raw tartan]

But you guys realize that it even costs mana when procced from mana strike? Like where did all this clowns came from hating on me for correcting litteral BS

[rare hare]

I see it, there is something with swords asswell and sword scalling and guide using wands lol

[stiff crown]

Yeah. I got 1 point in that. Doing the math, I’m over 100%

[keen bough]

because you are hating on someone for something they did't even say.

[mighty bolt]

Nah at this point I'm kind of locked into DOT build, if I do a crit mage build it will be next league

[winter crow]

https://gyazo.com/7a005485cac2567659d09353a51e5248 im running with this and my fc always crits with only 1 point too, and I get a ton more dmg from the multiplier

[raw tartan]

For the 4th time i linked it to you, not on me if you can't read

Cba get hated from a blue haired dude. Im out

[keen bough]

Friend, that is not what hge said or what he meant. I am sorry lol. You should really just stop.

[minor ermine]

Neos is trying to argue 8 different things lol

[weary steppe]

Im not hating you, more like pitying i would say. You are literally tryna bully someone who isnt a native English speaker saying something that you are too dense to understand correctly 🙂

[stiff crown]

Nah, I get that. The build I linked is my actual gear and not my ideal gear. I’d get more multiplier if I could without messing up my resistances.

[raw tartan]

Im german, but yeah i hate someone for his english 🤦🏻‍♂️

Omg

[weary steppe]

You literally do pal

[glossy quarry]

Do you find using the area nodes effective for ele nova? do you need that to overlap explosions or can you just remove them?

it kinda kills my eyes using ele nova explosions

[weary steppe]

Everybody else got what he wanted to say but you. Solely you. Only you did not get him. Thats make it a you problem stop hating on the guy.

[winter crow]

oh I see, then yeah no problem with that, I thought it was a finished build mb

[raw tartan]

But yeah sry for everyone. Go ahead and stack cast speed for mana strike and make frost claw a melee hit

[glossy quarry]

[weary steppe]

Yup, dude is dense 🙂

[hollow rover]

according to the in game guide if you search health leech any applicable leech stat applies to the hit fdmg or DoT if your DoT is come from a spell hen i would say yes spell dmg leeched as health will affect your DoT's from it also dmg leeched as health will also work for the hit dmg and DoT dmg

[winter crow]

I only run the 250% area increase in 1 node, the other area node is not needed https://gyazo.com/534cfc24d8bf69f82f2e05e837e44ffb

also with nova always run the bottom node for armour shred

[glossy quarry]

hmmmm

[fervent barn]

Any mage main arround lightning blast ? who can help me with build ? i start straggle hard with dmg on single target around 450 corruption

[mystic sparrow]

There is a load screen tooltip that states that leech applies to DOTs, unless "On Hit" is specified

[weary steppe]

Lightning blasts damage comes from spark explosions. Cast speed > more LB > more sparks > more kabooms > more dmg

[barren pawn]

eh?

[hollow rover]

yes i am aware but his question was if a specific type of leech affected his Dot so i was clarifying which types for him generic leech and spell leech as thats the origin of the DoT

[fervent barn]

i have around 168% cast speed withou buffs and after momentum and all buffs have 226%

[stiff crown]

Why remove the ice barrage nodes though? What would I add you instead? There’s not many good nodes left

[glossy quarry]

Don't do that, keep them

Yeah there are not many good nodes but it is fine

[stiff crown]

But you said to remove earlier

[glossy quarry]

Nah ignore that

It is just that I realized that you can only get multiple frost claw casts when you directly cast it

So sadly build idea cannot happen

[weary steppe]

you need to rise it up to 300 with buffs slowly. Which will also mirror itself as increase in corruption levels for you

[stiff crown]

Okay. Gotcha

[delicate estuary]

Hey guys, I'm trying out Static with the Unlimited Power node that casts Lightning Blast instead of the discharge. However, it doesn't seem like it's casting the specialized version of Lightning Blast. Is this intended? Shouldn't it be casting my talented version?

[dreamy cosmos]

Anyone else feel like their key clicks aren't registering sometimes on runemaster? My cast speed doesn't change and every so often it will feel like I double lightning blast

as opposed to FLF

[sturdy summit]

is it lag?

[raw tartan]

@stiff crown what you think about that setup? https://imgur.com/a/KbjYcDI not sure why you´re taking the + mana nodes in mana strike. this way you would have mana storm + infinite stacks spell dmg

maybe switching to this myself now

[stiff crown]

I use the mana nodes because of Ice Barrage. It’s great for single target on hit effects, but it has a really high mana cost

[raw tartan]

ahh well, never played with ice barrage tho

i mean ice barrage should realisticly have a 0.045% chance to procc since frost claw is 30% on melee hit and 15% procc chance from frost claw

or does every frost claw projectile count as a single cast?

[stiff crown]

It’s shoots like a hundred ice needles at the boss which is great for shredding armor

[stiff crown]

I’m not sure, but I don’t have any issues getting the barrage to proc

[dreamy cosmos]

Definitely possible. On an unrelated note, where can i look for the best endgame builds for runemaster? Is it just maxroll?

[stiff crown]

Also your math is off by 100

[raw tartan]

how that

15% of 30% is 0.045

[stiff crown]

It’s 4.5%

[mighty bolt]

[raw tartan]

i dunno man, my calculater says 0.3*0.15= 0.045

[stiff crown]

You said 0.045%

[raw tartan]

y exactly

ohh ffs

[mighty bolt]

0.045*100 is 4.5%

[raw tartan]

y im dumb

[crimson valve]

then multiply that by 100

[stiff crown]

Not 0.045 as in 4.5%

[patent warren]

Can somebody explain to me why Maxroll recommends the Mourningfrost boots for plasma orb runemaster? I do not get how they are “crucial to increasing your flat damage”

[raw tartan]

ignore maxroll pls

[patent warren]

Why lol

[unkempt widget]

why

[raw tartan]

read a single gameplay section of them and look at passive tree then come back

[unkempt widget]

alright 👍🏼

[stiff crown]

Yeah, but he initially said 0.045% not 4.5%. Just wanted to clarify

[raw tartan]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/spark-charge-runemaster-guide#passives-header look at this one tho

gameplay section says flame ward 100% uptime with frost wall, frost wall not skilled nor even used in skillbar

passive tree lightning blast, skills overcharge and hypercharge node (can only procc from direct cast) - get´s exclusivly cast as procc from frost claw

any more examples needed?

[sturdy summit]

we ought to drag the maxroll authors in here and demand they explain their own stuff

[raw tartan]

they simply can´t 🤣

[sturdy summit]

it would be entertaining to watch them try, though

[raw tartan]

i mean maxroll is a exploiting streamer group ever since d4 started. they not doing anything else besides exploiting and writing bad guides

[hollow rover]

im not so sure about others but all of the guides i have seen from Mcfluffin seem o be accurate in he gameplay section and in relation to his passives/skills

[raw tartan]

in d4 times even their stats where off quite hard

[jolly lichen]

Is flame reave spellblade really far behind?

[raw tartan]

the guide i posted is from mcfluffin, nice try

he´s one of the worst

[hollow rover]

fair enough haha i guess ive not seen that one but the other one i have looked at from him looked fine

[raw tartan]

ppl even asked him in streams about that exact things i linked and he dumbed them down so he doesn´t have to anwser XD

[dreamy cosmos]

where i can i find solid endgame runemaster builds?

I was using the maxroll one, but I feel like im not doing enough damage (for plasma orb)

Likely user error tbf, but just starting to approach 200 courruption and want to make sure I'm going with the right build

[sturdy summit]

find people you trust, and look at their build planners on lastepochtools. They might not be posted publicly, you'll have to ask for links.

[wary crater]

my elemental nova lightning frost claw build goes kinda hard

[hollow rover]

im not disagreeing with you or saying you are wrong in any way just that the VK warpath build i saw seemed okay

[stiff crown]

There’s a 3000 corruption build, but I think it’s coop build

[weary steppe]

just a general small suggestion. i wouldnt use any of the maxroll builds those are outdated or lack in a lot of stuff. stick on builds at lastepochtools.

[stiff crown]

https://youtu.be/qRa0sE1MF6U?si=VkXSfYyDtnnyfmgZ

[hollow rover]

i have switched over to using LE tools myself

[raw tartan]

i guess, if he shows the gameplay in a group of 3 xD

basically getting babysitted by 2 healing hands paladins

[neon lynx]

Snaps builds still extremely good

It’s just 99.9% of people won’t be able to afford it

[patent warren]

I said plasma orb RM not spark charge. Do you have any website recommendations then if Maxroll is so terrible?

[raw tartan]

cries in CoF

[raw tartan]

lastepochtools

[neon lynx]

Yeah. Us cof players def ain’t putting it together lol

[raw tartan]

i know, but they are ALL bad mostly, the spark charge was just an example

[patent warren]

Cool, thanks

[raw tartan]

got my twisted heart finally after 29 kills today 🫠

[neon lynx]

🙏

[raw tartan]

they also got gameplay videos linked to most of them

[hollow rover]

i dont get how we wont get in when we have higher drop chances than those on MG lol how is it MG is able to get all these 3-4lp stuff but those in CoF with better drop rates are not that whole thing just makes no sense

[raw tartan]

well, like the 90% of players that abuse falconer and wl playing in like 1.5k+2k corr

[rocky anvil]

Overcharge node is because because of the critical multiplier.
i don't know what the heck they're talking about with frost wall though. 🤣

[raw tartan]

they get the high lp ones

[neon lynx]

Because there’s thousands of people in cof getting the drop you need that they don’t need

Cof you only have ur drops

[raw tartan]

sure, but lightning blast does minor dmg in this build, 95% comes from spark charges

[hollow rover]

i guess that is a valid staement however inapplicable if you play with friends while in CoF

[stiff crown]

The thing about MG is that it’s stronger the more people that are in it. The strength of COF is capped.

[hollow rover]

this is also very true

[neon lynx]

You aren’t playing with thousands of people lol

[hollow rover]

no i am not haha but it was an example that CoF can still get what they want providing their friends drop it while with them or have the resonance xD

[neon lynx]

Cof buffs are literally nothing though compared to 10,000xing the drop rate in trade though

Or however many people are playing it

[stiff crown]

COF is like playing a digital TCG that costs money where you can’t trade. But MG is like opening physical booster packs that you can sell if you don’t want the cards later.

[hollow rover]

yeah granted a good point was made that MG is just stronger with more people i didnt look at it like that sheer numbers beats out increased rates that cannot do anything with them other than store or trash if they dont need

[neon lynx]

Yup

Trade will always be better for gearing

Problem is the system is trash

[digital oar]

mg is undoubtedly better from a pure gearing up perspective. I find CoF more personally fun. System is working as intended: trade for the people who want it, SSF for the people who want it.

[hollow rover]

yeah i believe they plan o make changes to it to make it easier to use though

[neon lynx]

Yeah. Unfortunately after what I’ve gone through with boss drops. I’m 100% going trade next cycle

[hollow rover]

im CoF this cycle but may also try trade next cycle just to see the other end of the spectrum lol

[neon lynx]

My builds literally at a brick wall. Waiting for an lp slammed heart

And between my 2 level 100 characters I’ve been through 1800 corruption in reign of dragons trying to get it

Def not doing this next cycle lol

[hollow rover]

yeah thats fair haha sometimes luck is just not on our side

[neon lynx]

Yeah. While mg

U don’t need luck

U just need gold

[hollow rover]

and a long as you can blast your corruption gold easy to get

not to mention being able to sell the stuff you get but dont need along the way

[neon lynx]

Yeah. Lot of cof players look at trade prices and think they’re unrealistic

Not realizing all those useless 2-3lps sitting in ur stash and good exalts are gold

Waiting to be made lol

[hollow rover]

i mean i can see why a lot of MG folks have millions of gold CoF always has nohing cus they constantly buying stash space cus they cant do anything else with their drops so think money is harder to come by than it actually is lol

[stiff crown]

I sold a 3LP Boneclamour for 190m, lol

[weary steppe]

yeah 0 lp & 1 lp items goes for nothing just to grind MG but above 2 LP its money galore

[digital oar]

The stash prices are, admittedly, a problem.

[neon lynx]

Cof also has nothing to use the gold on besides tabs

So prospective is different

[stiff crown]

Lightless Arbor, I guess

[neon lynx]

Stash prices are not an issue

[hollow rover]

very much so

[neon lynx]

Unless ur keeping a bunch of random crap

[hollow rover]

they have said that they plan to reduce the prices

[neon lynx]

And ur low level not making any gold

[hollow rover]

tbf i have like around 30 tabs now i really need to do a good cleanout get rid of all my no lp items just keeping 1 lol

[sturdy summit]

This is me. I am keeping a bunch of random crap. 40 tabs just isn't enough.

[neon lynx]

I have 50 tabs and still have plenty of gold

Dunno

I feel like if ur saying they’re too expensive ur like level 70 running unempowered with 30 tabs worth of every exalt you’ve dropped 😂

[sturdy summit]

I am getting plenty of gold, but every time it goes above 400,000, I buy another tab.

[neon lynx]

Only way I can see you running out of money buying tabs

[hollow rover]

i dont have an issue with the gold cost for stash tabs i always find that i have enough if i need them

[sturdy summit]

and then once I have the tab, I fill it 🤣

[hollow rover]

but have noticed when rolling an alt sometimes when in non emp that getting the gold for the next tab can be an issue but thats a me problem and picking up too much lol

[thin abyss]

Warlock player here going for a Runemaster alt. That frostclaw (lightning) skill seemed cool. Any build recommendations? I know Maxroll hasn't been too reliable in my opinion, lol. Thanks. ❤️

[sturdy summit]

the keywords you're looking for are Spark Charge

[weary steppe]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4JZYaB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,100, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 247, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 496%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 4 Dex / 130 Int / 4 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 93% / 80% / 82% / 82% / 75% / 75%
▸ EHP: 1,665 / 1,665 / 1,665 / 1,791 / 1,541 / 1,533 / 1,533

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 220
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (16)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,851)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Frost Claw (26)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Elemental Nova (25)
• Runic Invocation (25)
• Flame Ward (22)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Unstable Core
• Communion of the Erased
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

This build has a guide:

450% NOVA SPARK CHARGE RUNEMASTER - Build Guide by WolfsGoRawr

[thin abyss]

Okay, thank you!

[thin abyss]

Ty

[weary steppe]

🤗

[thin abyss]

Any written/video guides regarding this build? Just for nuance

[sturdy summit]

look at the bottom of the bot link. this build has a guide

[thin abyss]

Ah, thanks

Cool, exactly what I was looking for lol

tyty

[weary steppe]

wait nvm that one is wrong sorry

its a different build

@thin abyss

[autumn dagger]

soo uh arcane current says 5 sec cd on the but the node cd on arcane lightning says 8 secs im guessing those are both seperate to hard limit cdr stacking ?

[sturdy summit]

still, it's good to look at multiple builds. They're both variations of spark charge.

the second one has static orb

[weary steppe]

well yeah thats also true

[thin abyss]

ill follow the 1st link and branch out later

[autumn dagger]

im doing claw + fragment

[ocean mauve]

shatter strike is the greatest skill tree of all time, inject those +shatter levels into my veins

[autumn dagger]

was miserable till i hit 46 for the offhand tho

[ocean mauve]

i need more shatter levels

[patent warren]

All of the plasma orb builds on lastepochtools also recommend Mourningfrost boots just like Maxroll does. I guess having that bonus cold damage that scales with dex is really important even though it’s not a cold damage focused build lol

[autumn dagger]

its because of frostbite

[sturdy summit]

what role does frostbite play in a plasma orb build?

[patent warren]

Could you explain a bit more? I’m pretty new to the game

[barren pawn]

too bad the system is trash

gold AND favor for each item

plus the rrank reqs

[autumn dagger]

oh i was thinking about the wrong boots

💀

[sturdy summit]

and no sale history, can you believe it?

[barren pawn]

why do we need a sale history?

[sturdy summit]

because every market needs a sale history so you can see what things actually sold for, not just what they were listed for

[barren pawn]

i mean nop not really?

[neon lynx]

You’ll end up with hundreds of thousands of extra favor once ur end game

[barren pawn]

Plenty of MMOs with auction houses out there that dont have sale histories.

You determine price based off similar items.

with similar stats.

[sturdy summit]

I don't truck with bad market systems. I got plenty of games that know how to do it right.

[barren pawn]

" once youre end game " doesnt excuse the sh1t tier system

[crimson valve]

sale history would be nice but at the same time kinda useless for last epoch since unlike other mmos where the item itself is the big thing, you have rolls. rolls can make the item sell for tens of times more. If they add a rolls filter, a sale history would be amazing

[barren pawn]

Or you could do what literally mos tmmos with marketplaces do.... and use already established listings to determine price....

[sturdy summit]

sale history that just shows the last 20 items with the same base and what they sold for would be fine. You could look at the modifiers and account for variation yourself.

[barren pawn]

" oh this item with rolls in the top range goes for this much, ill ist it for this much "

Literally what you are supposed to do. Figure out pricing yourself based off whats already there

Its really not that hard

[sturdy summit]

who cares if someone is asking 100mil for an item if no one is willing to buy it for that much. I only care about the listing after it's sold.

[neon lynx]

I mean. The levels. Favor. All of that is to prevent people from coming in RMTing bis gear and just having it from the start

[raw tartan]

@stiff crown tested out that ice barrage and it´s not doing anything for me besides draining my mana like crazy, maybe about 20-30 more armor shred stacks, that´s it. but you also got way more attack speed as me tho

[crimson valve]

exactly.

[barren pawn]

ONE listing at 100m = an outlier.

Multiple listings at say 20m for the same range = hey thats the going rate for this

[sturdy summit]

plenty of items with only one listing

[barren pawn]

its common sense my dude

[sturdy summit]

it's a workaround for a bad system

you're trained to it because you've never seen someone who does it better.

[crimson valve]

sale history is a plus. it's an insight on what really sold. even if it's just one item going for 100m and someone bought it, it means there's people willing to spend on it. I don't know why we arguing over a feature that could just be a plus x)

[barren pawn]

Ive played games with sales histories. Dont even try that sh1t with me.

[sturdy summit]

then you should expect better

[barren pawn]

Doesnt take away from the fact that there are plenty of games where you dont get a history. You get " X item listed for Y price or z price " and have to determine which if the prices its available for are the gonig rate.

Its quite simply how markets work.

[sturdy summit]

there are plenty of bad games

[crimson valve]

d2 trading site had a sales history and it was pretty good having it. It also gives u an idea of the market trend over certain items

[sturdy summit]

I work with real markets, and a market without a sale history is a black market. I expect a real market.

[barren pawn]

This is a game dude.

Be happy it has a market in the first place.

[sturdy summit]

it doesn't, cause I'm CoF

[heady badge]

any fire spellblade who runs 500c+ here?

[barren pawn]

By personal choice.

[crimson valve]

crypto go crazy

[barren pawn]

Doesnt mean its not there.

[stiff crown]

Yeah, I stack melee attack speed with high cooldown for enchant weapon. As for how much shred stacks you’re getting is up to your gear. For me, I can get like 4 stacks per hit

[crimson raft]

Sounds like you want Eve online 😄

[sturdy summit]

eve has a good market, but I'd settle for ff14

the problem with eve is that the regular gameplay sucks.

[raw tartan]

You're having the unbuffed attackspeed that i got buffed 😅 and i just got 115% armor shred chance

Crying in CoF

[crimson valve]

Guys do we know how Damage Reduction layers work? I'm at about -75% damage taken and can probably get to 100 which I don't think it's what it is. That's from different skills. It says on some of them that the DR Is multiplicative with the other modifiers. Is this true for all the DR mechanics or only for the ones with this line written on?

[safe grail]

probably not lol

[barren pawn]

iirc spellblades tend to struggle at 400 no?

[sturdy summit]

if it says More or Less, it stacks multiplicatively. Those are the keywords for multiplicative-stacking.

[crimson raft]

It's multiplicative, so you should get less and less from each layer i think? Though honestly haven't read much about that

[safe grail]

spellblade starts to struggle around 250

[tidal dock]

What’s the best variant of plasma orb right now between ladle, reowyns staff, and wrongwarp?

[crimson raft]

Dps, or survivability?

[safe grail]

bit of both, but more on survivability

[crimson raft]

So just stack 10-15k ward?

[safe grail]

spellblade can't do that effectively lol

that's the problem

[fallow hawk]

I'm fine at 499 but orobyss is so hard and I'm runemaster lightning blast

[crimson raft]

You don't have to run runemaster for that, and you can intstack too depending on what skill you want, but probably some frostbite / manastrike / shatter

[heady badge]

Even if u swap to 4 Exsangious items?

[stiff crown]

There gloves, boots, and body. What’s the 4th?

[heady badge]

Ah my bad thought belt was an option aswell

[next lance]

stacking stable ward for spellblade is the issue, their ward can ramp pretty heavily if they can get swinging. So they’re likely to get one tapped before they can build the ward

[stiff crown]

I think I’ve seen people use the Invoker static set rings to get ward

[crimson raft]

So low min ward on map start basically?

[next lance]

yep

[safe grail]

yep

[sturdy summit]

can spellblade build ward by hitting air?

[autumn dagger]

smash both stacks of flameward and swing

[safe grail]

no

[crimson raft]

I swear i died more times to arty at monostart then mobs (haven't cast flameward\ice guard)

[next lance]

granted I’m still low level on mine (50), I can ramp up to a stable 1.5k ward if I’m allowed to keep swinging. (I HATE stun)

[ocean mauve]

q: absolute zero under shatter strike says "more" in the description but doesn't explicitly say "multiplicative with other modifiers"....is it multiplicative or additive?

[safe grail]

the other issue is a lot less about ward w/ spellblade

and more about the fact that you cannot have any meaningful DR like RM can

[next lance]

yeah, DR is the other issue

[safe grail]

you can build good CDR w/ RM that spellblade cannot touch

[heady badge]

whats dr

[safe grail]

damage reduction

[next lance]

cdr is a huge thing for flame ward and such

[sturdy summit]

when I see CDR, I think cooldown reduction, but did you mean some kind of C Damage Reduction?

[heady badge]

so basically no matter what u do or what u drop u cant push corruption?

[sturdy summit]

oh, you do mean cooldown

[safe grail]

yeah cooldown

[safe grail]

you can, just be ready to be disappointed unless you min-max your gear perfectly.

[next lance]

you can up to a point, but the ceiling is lower than for most

[ocean mauve]

spellblade is amazing in group play, prob better than reowyns fortress plasma orb

solo, suck.

[sturdy summit]

a friend of mine is playing a spellblade for the alts we play together.

[crimson raft]

shatter strike looks great to me, from what little i've seen of it, both in clear and bossing.

[ocean mauve]

solo plasmaorb kinda sucks too

frostclaw + spark >>>>> every other mage solo build

[safe grail]

i mean that's the other problem too

spellblades best build

is fkn lightning spark charge mana strike spam

lmao

[ocean mauve]

spellblades best build is a group build prob best in the game 😛

[crimson raft]

lightning spark enigma combo stronk!

[sturdy summit]

the best classes are really the ones who can best exploit whatever the best item combo is

even paladins using dragorath

[safe grail]

that's because it's defensive issues are solved by supports lol

[crimson raft]

I personally prefer finding a skill\playstyle i really like. ATM a RM lightning blast spark charge does it for me, but barely at 250c but everything ez so far.

[stiff crown]

Yeah, I’m playing Mana Strike but as RM. I basically play with just the mouse. It’s really an easy play style. Up and down scroll for Flame Shield and Enchant Weapon. Right click for Mana Strike. Mouse 3 for Teleport. Mouse 4 for potion. Then I drink my coffee with my other hand

[next lance]

I mean, I’m currently just memeing mana strike with humming bees and wing guards

[ocean mauve]

for sure, in general supports solve every classes's defensive issues. spellblade just happens to benefit more than most (every?) other build in the game

[stiff crown]

There’s no cooldown management or timing

[crimson raft]

Lightspeed!

[next lance]

the zoom is funny

[glossy quarry]

Spellblade attack speed tho

Zoooooom

[sturdy summit]

I don't like putting so much load on the mouse hand while also trying to control the movement. It's an easy way to develop a strain injury.

[crimson raft]

I do the other way with cast speed. Think it was like 287% buffed or similar

[stiff crown]

I don’t play for hours at a time so I’m good. But yes, I agree with the concerns

[next lance]

I have 169% attack speed boost, if I can find humming bees with 1-2 LP, I could try to slam even more attack speed and ward/something on hit on it, would be so much fun

[sturdy summit]

yeah, if you keep your session time low should be fine

[next lance]

or even wing guards for more attack speed silliness

[crimson raft]

Don't forget you can numlock skills for autocast to not have your hands\fingers die.

[glossy quarry]

My god that spellblade seems to be stacking attack speed to the ceiling

Wing guards

[next lance]

I can’t crit, so I can use singularity for free

[sturdy summit]

does the game recognise numlock being on as a key permanently held down? and I guess you use scroll lock and caps lock if you need a second and third?

[glossy quarry]

But we don’t need that here? Or you mean of enchant weapon?

[crimson raft]

Winguard T7 melee speed, 2x humming T7 melee speed, and then just brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

[unborn hamlet]

todays been so slow, i wanted to grind, but the constant DCs i had around lunch time just made me not wanna play at all

[next lance]

if I can manage to find it, yes!

[glossy quarry]

What server?

[unborn hamlet]

EU

[glossy quarry]

I was fine this morning

Ah

Yeah EU moment

[crimson raft]

Hmm no? It's a thing in the game:
https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/num-lock-trick-in-last-epoch-autocast-explained/z1528b

[unborn hamlet]

it was kind of shitting itself for few hours

[glossy quarry]

Numlock on off trick

[next lance]

ward on hit + ward on spell (from the zaps and lightning discarges and the rm passive) means I just buzzsaw. Stun is absolutely the worst enemy of the build

[glossy quarry]

Yeah spellblade stunned before he gets his 10k ward is just pain in the soul

Imagine you are about to strike a group of enemies but a void centipede uses its tongue and u got stunned like a plant

[next lance]

indeed. Which is why some gear like the solid mind is great, as well as flame ward on stun + knockback helps

[glossy quarry]

[crimson raft]

That void centipede!!!! many bleeeeeeps

[glossy quarry]

That one and the void guy that explodes with the fart sound are the worst

[unborn hamlet]

imagine playing these types of games with sound instead of blasting music

ya guys didnt lose your sanity yet i see

[crimson raft]

We're all merged with the void now.

[unborn hamlet]

from a story point perspective, i find the snake lady being the current final boss kind of funny

i know its not the end of the story yet

but.... isnt your epoch supposed to be the only one left? how tf is she manipulating time too, same for julra

[sturdy summit]

prophet?

[sturdy summit]

I blast music, but I have the game sounds set so I can hear both

actually, tbh, right now, I'm not blasting music, I'm blasting geology lectures on youtube

[unborn hamlet]

god bless being 7years out of school now

[sturdy summit]

I'm 20 years out of school. I'm not listening to lectures for school that would be awful.

[unborn hamlet]

wait how old i am again?

o i see

[sturdy summit]

I guess 20 years is an exaggeration :p

how old am I again?

[unborn hamlet]

oh yea, whenever i have to attend big corpo meeting with my boss

i just wanna put on the necktie u know

it bores me to death, yet im always dragged there cos im about the only person thats not gonna fk it up

[sturdy summit]

imagine going to meetings that require you to wear pants

[unborn hamlet]

i lowkey dont care about what the investors and other big corpo pigs want, like leave me out of it, im here for my few pennies

[ripe mortar]

I got a 2 LP alchemist ladle, thats good for hydra build right?

[teal oasis]

Yea, I played fg a lot and marksman and now that I’m playing rm it’s so weird getting stunned

[sturdy summit]

mad alchemist ladle or alchemist ladle?

mad alchemist ladle is the good one

[barren pawn]

well that was a spoiler and a half...

yaaaaay

[ripe mortar]

it says mad alchemist ladle, its a lv 17 one

[sturdy summit]

good, that's the one you want

[ripe mortar]

what do I gamble for with the 2 LP? mainly the prefixes matter, right?

[sturdy summit]

I don't know hydra very well, but it's probably great for hydra. it's just amazing for everyone.

[obsidian quarry]

Not sure how big a deal pen is now, but thats the only truly interesting suffix you might want

[paper plover]

Hey guys.

[ripe mortar]

yeah I have a T6 fire damage and T1 fire pen suffix mace but that doesnt sound great, other mods on it are also bad

Can you LP convert any one handed weapon onto a wand, or only wand onto wand?

[paper plover]

Does the frenzy effect from boot modifier increase my cast speed by its ammount or does it increase the 20% cast rate for its ammount ?

So basically say i have a boot frenzy modifier of +16%.

Do i gain 16% cast speed while frenzy or do i gain 16% of 20% cast speed which frenzy gives ?

[sturdy summit]

wand to wand. different weapons can have different affixes.

[sturdy summit]

frenzy effect isn't specific to a particular item. There are lots of different ways you could get it, so which cast rate should it modify?

[ripe mortar]

Okay time to CoF prophecy some wands then. I assume you can transfer over exalted prefixes/suffixes yes?

[sturdy summit]

yes, that's what you want to do

[barren pawn]

So long as you arent trying to put a COF affix on a non COF item, ye afaik

[paper plover]

i mean speed cast

i get 20% speed cast from frenzy right ?

and i have a frenzy modifier in my boots which enhance my frenzy effect for 12%

[sturdy summit]

You get both attack and cast speed.

[paper plover]

so do i get 12% more cast speed or do i get 12% of 20% ?

[raw tartan]

Press C and test it 🤦🏻‍♂️

You get the whole 20%

[limpid drum]

whats the best blessing to pick?

[sturdy summit]

it should be an extra 12% of 20%, I think, but you should test it.

[safe grail]

it's additive

[sturdy summit]

oh really

what's the exact wording?

it should be using the added/increased language consistently

[raw tartan]

I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the game besides health and armor which is not additive statwise

[safe grail]

hmm someone told me cast speed was the only one that didnt tie into that

lemme see

nope it is multi

okay

cool

whatever was being said like a week ago about this with my friends was absolutely wrong lmao

[sturdy summit]

if it says it gives an extra 12% increased cast speed, that would add with 20% from frenzy. If it says it improves the effect of frenzy by 12%, that would be 12% of 20%

[raw tartan]

Wasn't the actual question about frenzy itself and not increased frenzy effect?

[sturdy summit]

I think the question was about the boot effect improving frenzy

[safe grail]

i am going to say something really controversial for a second;

I do not like the lightning blast spark charge build

I think it's 100% ass.

[sturdy summit]

I don't have an opinion on that. Why do you say it?

[limpid drum]

why do ppl use flame rush over flameward?

[safe grail]

the ST damage and ward gen on it is fkn cheeks

[raw tartan]

At least it's not aids for your eyes as nova is

[safe grail]

nova is fun

frost claw is bis tho 100%

[paper plover]

im trully loving this build bro ngl

[raw tartan]

Looks like eyecancer to me

[errant plank]

Hello, any resource comparing runic evocations? Looking for one oriented on fire build + ignite (fireball and disintegration)

[raw tartan]

Mostly for the frenzy and other buffs

[sturdy summit]

you know what's really bad on the eyes? Cold Exploding Ballista. Just drill right into that optic nerve and upload the migraine directly into the brain.

[raw tartan]

You can still get frostguard tho

[paper plover]

i use both

[raw tartan]

Well that's at least always white instead tri colored 😅

I just seen everyone say that plays nova, that you can't even see orobyss at all when playing it. That was enough for me to not play it

[paper plover]

bro lightning blast with spark charge is so satisfying

everything about it is brilliant

visuals, speed, aoe damage

[safe grail]

like i said, ST dmg is just lacking for me.

[paper plover]

if i only knew what ST is 😄

[safe grail]

single target

[raw tartan]

Aren't you using frostclaw anyways for bossing?

[paper plover]

oh right haha

yep, ST dmg is on the lower side, no doubt about it

[raw tartan]

Lightning blast is mostly used to get aegis afaik

[safe grail]

im not playing the hybrid build that uses fclaw

[raw tartan]

Well that's on you then 😅

[crimson raft]

Define on low side, like is that 30second T4 Julra, or 2 minute T4 Julra?

[safe grail]

it's not appealing to me tbch. stopping to smack LB for a buff meh

[paper plover]

30 sec T4 julra 😄

[slate plinth]

Nah, just can’t play frostclaw cuz lags, so lb only option (._. )

[paper plover]

maybe 45

idk, been a few days since i done it last time

but not more than 1 min for sure

[raw tartan]

Lags or fps? Got steady 14ms on eu

[crimson raft]

That's not low IMO 😄 I should test it, haven't done that on my RM either, also using lightning blast and spark charges

[paper plover]

build is great bro, obviously compared to its unparalleled aoe damage, single target is low cuz u dont get the chain spark blast effect u get with density

[slate plinth]

Lags in terms of fps and gameplay, several time i was waiting like 2 mins after boss kill while my frostclaw still loads to my screen

[raw tartan]

Lags is not fps 😅

Lags is your connection, fps is your toasterpc

[crimson raft]

Ugh, last 3 levels taking foreeeeverrrr 97 atm.

Also had old non empowered lightning shred blessing, and Squidward refuses to drop me a new one.

[paper plover]

so guys, do we have a verdict on frenzy ? i mean i tried testing it but its not that easy, i have too many buffs going on if i press a traversal skill... its hard to see whats what

[slim python]

Lvl100 is useless anyway, u are good enough on lvl80 for any build, those last points are just little boost

[crimson raft]

Can't check character sheet stats while you are using those effect boots vs not frenzy effect boots?

[raw tartan]

Maybe try different anti alliasing and details shadows if it's on your hardwareside

[crimson raft]

I need those 3 points, for the 30 hp and 3% less dmg taken 😄

[raw tartan]

How is it hard to press c and look how much your attackspeed goes up

[paper plover]

no because frenzy effect will only apply if you are frenzy

[paper plover]

bro i just said, i have like 3 different speed cast buffs if i press anything that makes me frenzy

[raw tartan]

And? Those are stable numbers or aren't they?

[paper plover]

no

theyre not

[crimson raft]

But don't you get frenzy from another source in the build too? Assuming you swoosh through frostwall and have the kickoff nodes?

[paper plover]

i have speed cast buffs from any source

[raw tartan]

Like for example flame rush gives you 100% frenzy if specced right

100% chance to get frenzy*

[fiery stirrup]

Yeah for what 2 seconds

[raw tartan]

No, longer

And even that would be enough to look at a single number imo

[paper plover]

yes bro but there are other things in my build giving me speed cast so i dont know where is all the speedcast coming from

any key i press i get like 3 different speed cast buffs

its a speed cast build

[raw tartan]

Unspecc them? 😅

[paper plover]

i have 400% increased speedcast fully buffed

[stiff crown]

Just math it

[paper plover]

bro im not going to make a phd out of this

[stiff crown]

I tried

[paper plover]

i just wanted to know if someone knew this

this is way too much math for my brain

[stiff crown]

You can record them watch frame by frame

[crimson raft]

Would only be best guess, so nope 😛

[raw tartan]

That's overkill 😂

[stiff crown]

If you want to know...

[fiery stirrup]

What weapon are you using

[paper plover]

227 to 249

what % is that ?

[raw tartan]

Dude lol...

[stiff crown]

Divide 249 by 227 then minus 1

[raw tartan]

9, something %

[paper plover]

thats weird. so frenzy doesnt even give me 20% speedcast ?!

[stiff crown]

It is probably additive

[raw tartan]

9,69162995594 % if you want to be exact

[raw tartan]

Frenzy alone "should" give you 20% tho afaik

Without any increased effect blabla stats

[paper plover]

ohhhh i think i have an answer

when i pass through frost wall after all the other buffs expire

increased bow and throwing attack speed go up by 22%

from 0 to 22

[sturdy summit]

there you go, that's 12% increased frenzy effect

[raw tartan]

We made it 🤯🤯

[paper plover]

nvm yea they both go up by 22%

[paper plover]

imm stupid obviously this was 22% increase

instead of 20% from frenzy

22% from frenzy

[sturdy summit]

20% from frenzy, plus 2% from 12% increase

[paper plover]

because of the 12% of the 20% which is 2. 20+2 is 22

which means this frenzy effect is pure BS

[raw tartan]

Pretty much yeah 😅

[paper plover]

even the 17 is bs

it ranges between 12 and 17

[sturdy summit]

it's a nice bonus if you're getting it for free because you're using the boots for other reasons

[paper plover]

but its worthless either way

[sturdy summit]

it's the same as getting 50% increased crit. That's 50% of 5%

[raw tartan]

Given you play with the basecrit, which hopefully noone does

[sturdy summit]

well, yeah, that's what you gotta do to make increased crit worthwhile

but realizing it starts at 50% of 5% is the first step to understanding

[raw tartan]

+flat crit in skilltrees is kinda ass to see tho

When some spells got another critchance as you char itself

[sturdy summit]

the thing I hate about flat +crit in skill trees is that the game doesn't tell you your final crit chance in the skill tooltip, so you gotta do all the calculation yourself from scratch. Add up all your +crit, add up all your increased crit, and do the entire thing yourself. Why

why does the game even try to tell you your crit value in the C menu if it's not the final value

and it's not the sum of increased values either

the total increased crit would actually be useful, so you don't have to add it up on every piece of gear yourself

at least then you would only need to do the last step yourself by adding in the base crit

[raw tartan]

Im just testing it and if i think i got like 99% yellow numbers, i do hope that it's close to 100% 😂😂

But yeah, it's quite a way to get it calculated since you don't see your "increased crit chance stat" anywhere

[sturdy summit]

the crit value they tell you is a straight up lie.

[raw tartan]

I got like 69% base and 87% spell but both are 100% all the time for whatever reason

Reject statsheet, embrace yellow numbers

[sturdy summit]

no, embed excel directly into the game! :D

[raw tartan]

I'm afraid of the day when most bugs are gone and most builds are either not working at all or in a different way🤯 im sure there's plenty of things that aren't even known as bugs so far

But at least get them wl stomped lol

[winter crow]

I tested that and you only need like 65% spell crit to have around 95% crit on frostclaw

Which is good enough

[stiff crown]

The calculation on the website is based on the standard 5%, if you have passives on the skill itself that boosts base crit, it's not calculated

[winter crow]

Anything higher is prob disminishing returns from losing other stats

[barren pawn]

hi my build wants 1600 spell crit...

[raw tartan]

I know, btw your 5% are your base base base. The +crit of your weapon gets calculated

[barren pawn]

guess what it is

( there is only one right answer )

[stiff crown]

For example, the melee crit number doesn't take into account the extra 1% from Mana Strike node

Or 2% per point in Frost Claw

[sturdy summit]

that's what we were talking about, and what I was complaining about.

[raw tartan]

🙈

[stiff crown]

Yeah, I know. I feel the same, but the math isn't that hard, but they could have made it easier

[sturdy summit]

they could have given us the increased crit sum like they do for damage

[barren pawn]

( its disintegrate )

[sturdy summit]

or they could have done something completely mindblowing and show the crit for each skill in the skill tooltip!

[raw tartan]

🤯🤯

Nah that's too far

Cuz we would actually know then

I'm also not sure why every single tooltip dmg switches to 2 close but different numbers all the time at my RM (even when standing in town, no buff no nothing)

About a couple hundreds off

Gets changed about every 1-2 secs back and forth

[sturdy summit]

your dps is in a state of superposition :p

[raw tartan]

It's really strange tho, my marksman always got stable numbers

Thought it's a RM thing i don't know of

[sturdy summit]

I don't think that happens for my RM. My falconer can't even see any dps estimates.

it must be some specific skill spec or passive node that's doing it, I bet

[hollow rover]

mine is stable so must be something within your build xD

[raw tartan]

Ahh i think i know as u said it

My boots give me slow every 3sec, therefore less attackspeed and that's why my numbers change 💡

[hollow rover]

ahh yep that makes sense lol

[raw tartan]

I actually thought that my numbers are bugging out 😂

[glossy quarry]

Hey big IQ question, using foot of the mountain would be beneficial in terms of mana cost to frost claw but at the same time it would be a weak unique to use right?

also I converted frost claw to fire to get the 3% more armor per shock when casting a fire spell

but I think it is not worth it

not sure

at the end most of our damage is from spark charges

[teal oasis]

The only thing related to frost claw I’m going to use is the dagger for frost claw

[stiff crown]

I don’t trust the tooltip anyway because it can be misleading with stuff like penetration and certain debuffs that aren’t calculated

[raw tartan]

Wl down 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Some apprentice pressed a 0 too many 😂

#news message

[winter crow]

Its used only when you run dragorath claw build instead of mad lad cuz no spell cost reduc

With mad lad you dont have mana issues

[glossy quarry]

[neon lynx]

@winter crow how come ur calculating crit for claw when most of the damage comes from spark?

[winter crow]

Yeah this, im not sire if fire fc os better, prob not

[neon lynx]

Unless there’s something I’m missing that’s also giving spark crit higher than the base 5%

[chrome kernel]

hey so are they nerfing runemaster?

[teal oasis]

Wl?

[winter crow]

Oh im refering to spark procs with fc, I tested them on arena durmmies

Fc has like 100% crit with that

[frosty pewter]

Theyre nerfing the one node that gave health regen to ward incorrectly

[winter crow]

Spark procs dont have 100% but are close

[chrome kernel]

oh

[winter crow]

Around 95 is my guess

[neon lynx]

👍

[hollow rover]

i thought its a buff technically as it was not scaling with points allocated in tthe node wheras now it will scale correctly

[glossy quarry]

oddly enough, who used that node tho

scaling health regen and ward

[frosty pewter]

I have no idea ive never used the node lol

[neon lynx]

Think I sit around 70% with drago and mountain helm

[glossy quarry]

and how come they realizedd that

[neon lynx]

Cover up that last few % u might be missing at 65

[raw tartan]

Warlock

[hollow rover]

yeah its not a nerf its a buff because it waasnt scaling after the 1st point invested after the patch i will be caling with additional points spent

[winter crow]

Yeah, you prob crit 100% with that

[sturdy summit]

Fixed a bug where Runemaster’s passive node Sanguine Runestones’s threshold bonus (15% of health regen applies to ward) was scaling with points allocated

The bug was that it was scaling.

[teal oasis]

Good thing I made a rm instead of warlock last night

[hollow rover]

ohhh i see sorry i misread it then

[raw tartan]

Well if you were the 1% that used this node for whatever reason, then yes

[winter crow]

How much ward do you get on bosses? That build does less dps but has massive ward

[neon lynx]

I peak around 60k

[winter crow]

Hmm is your build finished?

[frosty void]

Wat build

[neon lynx]

Not even close

[winter crow]

I get around the same ward with mad lad

But build is done

[raw tartan]

That's wrong if the wording in the forum is correct
It WAS scaling, now it's not

[neon lynx]

I’m only at 150 int. Missing a couple slams

No + claw on heart

[hollow rover]

yes i was just corrected i read it wrong to begin with 🙂

[neon lynx]

Bunch of stuff I’m still missing

[winter crow]

I see

[neon lynx]

Defenses are all out of whack too since I haven’t swapped to static and don’t have a red ring

[safe grail]

whoever was btchn about this yesterday, there ya go

Fixed a bug where Runemaster’s passive node Sanguine Runestones’s threshold bonus (15% of health regen applies to ward) was scaling with points allocated

[hollow rover]

also i dont think hat patch is live yet so technically its still scalling as that is intended as a mid week patch

[chrome kernel]

oh I don't okay thanks

[raw tartan]

Since when to we play with that node? 😂

[neon lynx]

Actually ended up having to switch back to ladle until I get the heart slam. I hit 800 corruption and couldn’t sustain the mapping anymore without it 😂

[safe grail]

WE DONT

[winter crow]

Youll get one eventually 🙏

[safe grail]

lol

but someone irrelevant was arguing this point yesterday

[winter crow]

Lol

Its ok

[neon lynx]

Idk which one I like better. Both seem pretty similar

Dagger seems more bursty for mapping

Ladle seems like it’s slightly higher damage on bosses

[winter crow]

Mad lad is more dmg but a bit less ward

And more expensive

[neon lynx]

You def notice the insta pop of static from the lb nodes while ur mapping

[north junco]

any one for the stolel lance emp mono 100 corr wme br00dbeslag

[neon lynx]

I get hit a lot less playing dagger cuz things insta pop instead of having a delay

[raw tartan]

True. But just imagine being a wl this time around hoping devs won't do a mid cycle fix 😂😂😂😂 i can't

They actually have to play now besides exploiting 🤯

[winter crow]

Hmm prob a bit better clear then

[hollow rover]

kinda glad i didnt go warlock tbf as i don use that RM node anyway so it dont affect me whereas WL is kinda dumb not to use the profaine veil bug xD

[neon lynx]

And what makes ladle more expensive? I’m planning on running pretty much identical setups at the end

[teal oasis]

If that’s not one that’s given to you when you first choose rm I have literally never heard of this

[neon lynx]

With just a few skill spec swaps and maybe diff helm

[winter crow]

3-4lp laddle is more expensive, also wand exalteds to slam are more exp

[neon lynx]

Ah. So no diff besides weapon

I’m cof so it’s all the same for me lol

[raw tartan]

Tbf without insulting anyone. You had to be quite braindead to think that this insane bug wasn't getting fixed at some point

[hollow rover]

oh ofc hahaha

[raw tartan]

But isn't falconer still having unlimited scaling so far? 😅

[sturdy summit]

my falconer's ballista explosions are larger than the screen. individual explosions.

[raw tartan]

That seems legit lmao

[sturdy summit]

because the area scales with dex

[raw tartan]

Thank god RM wasn't getting a nerf (that actually affects us)

[crimson valve]

Guys would sorc be decent for running dragorath setup thanks to arcane ascendance +50% cast speed and spell damage?

Or are we looking at much lower ward?

[hollow rover]

wasnt the scalling coming from he fact that it was able to benifit from multiple smoke bomb casts i believe they said they plan to look into that too bu wouldnt be included in the upcoming patch

[raw tartan]

The smokebomb one was fixed already afaik but i thought there were also some weird scaling for the falcon

Or they want to fix (not sure)

[hollow rover]

ohh hrm im not sure then as ive not played any rogue

[raw tartan]

I just got a marksman as rogue who sucks ass

[crimson valve]

That julra ass tho 👀

[hollow rover]

it weird normally a bow class is my goto in arpgs butdidnt feel like it this time around

[sturdy summit]

the best rogue builds are either melee or throwing bombs and not shooting arrows, anyway

[raw tartan]

Ayo 😂

[sturdy summit]

even marksmen are using those detonating arrow daggers

[hollow rover]

yeah feel like marksman needs a lil love before i try it lol

[raw tartan]

Dmg is insane with 100k+ but im a complete glasscanon without even wanting to

Like 300 corr oneshot from looking at the wrong dude glasscanon

[hollow rover]

yeh thats what i was worried about good damage but no survival

[delicate estuary]

If I have a spell thats triggering another spell, does it trigger the base version or the "specialized" version if I have points into it?

[sturdy summit]

it should say in the node that allows you to trigger it, whether the tree applies

[sturdy summit]

if it doesn't say it uses your tree, assume it doesn't until proven that the tooltip is wrong.

[delicate estuary]

oh ok thanks

[raw tartan]

If you're speccing the actual node who let's you procc it, is inside the tree itself that you skilled, it will use the tree, for example frostclaw from melee hits

God that was worded poorly

[crimson valve]

it does unless stated otherwise. spells from years ago specify that is does, some newer ones do not but they still inherit the skill tree

[sturdy summit]

oh, so it's the old spells that say it explicitly? every spell should say it, because some spells don't appear to inherit the tree

[teal juniper]

I dont know if this is asking for too much. Are there any builds like this?

1. a caster that is very mobile (even better if they can cast while moving)

2. great damage/speed & boss clearing (of course)

3. relatively simple button mechanics. I dont like complicated building up stacks or waiting for procs. I just just blowing stuff up 😛

[raw tartan]

Im also sure lightning blast from dragorath's procc uses the whole tree

[crimson valve]

idk I've found that it's inconsistent. Like i have so many triggered spells that use the tree but it's not specified

[hollow rover]

it dont say in my frostcla tree that ice barrage or nova's pec tree affect it but i can tell that they both do

[delicate estuary]

oh, I'm using Static to trigger Lightning Blast, and it doesnt seem like it's using the talented version

[crimson valve]

I have LB cast from static which uses its tree without saying it. I have meteor from the unique belt that does the same.

oh yes static LB uses its tree

if u put chain points into LB u will see it chain

[delicate estuary]

you sure? i never see mine ever even chaining

and no i don't have the talent that says it can't chain lol

[crimson valve]

yeah dude i'm running it right now as we speak

[raw tartan]

Not 100% sure but i think some nodes say something like "tree is not used"

So i guess, everything that's not saying it will use the tree

[crimson valve]

yeah sometimes they specify that the tree isn't used. apart from that, I think every skill i've used that are triggered actually use the tree

[delicate estuary]

ill have to do some additional testing apparently, thanks for the info though

[sturdy summit]

some skills also say the tree is used, while others say nothing at all. It's just completely inconsistent.

[crimson valve]

yeah it's inconsistent spelling

[crimson raft]

Is it the Zap node?

[delicate estuary]

also, is there any way to check specifically the crit chance for LB?

[delicate estuary]

not Zap but Unlimited Power

[sturdy summit]

no, you have to add up all your items and nodes and calculate everything yourself from scratch if you want that number.

[crimson valve]

on a second thought. You might have a problem when some nodes of the skill u are trying to trigger say "when u DIRECTLY cast this skill..." in that case only that part of the triggered skill doesn't apply because it's indirectly cast

[crimson raft]

Aaah, yeah i see that comes after there. Okay, that should work then, as it would replace Zap.

[sturdy summit]

if you have any +crit to the skill specifically, then the crit numbers in the C menu are completely useless.

[raw tartan]

It sounds like sarcasm, but actually that's the way 😭😭

[sturdy summit]

bitterness and sarcasm sound the same 🤣

[crimson raft]

I think LB can be calced in lastepochtools, but...idk how correct it'll be with all the subskills etc..probably...not.

[delicate estuary]

yes I think that was my issue, i had 4 points in Arcing Power but wasn't actually casting anything while testing, so was probably getting no additional arcs

[crimson valve]

for example ARCING power doesn't work but CHAIN LIGHTNING does

yeah exactly

[delicate estuary]

ya, plus theres also specifically crit chance for lightning skills and LB also...

[crimson raft]

We all dream of PoB for LE 🙂

[raw tartan]

Let lastepochtools cook

Best bet so far

Whatever you do, don't use the maxroll planner 😂

Since this ones not even getting tooltips right

[sturdy summit]

tunklabs looks like it has some pretty good calculators for those things, but they can't import characters using the API. You have to put in all your numbers and spec manually. Whereas lastepochtools has the import feature nailed, but their calculators are super basic. If only they could get together and make a single tool that did both.

[crimson raft]

mmm we can hope!

[raw tartan]

But i really like the complexity of LE so far, really good middle way of diablo and PoE. Perfect for me

[sturdy summit]

yeah, I wouldn't complain if I didn't think the game was really good

I would just go and play a different game.

[hollow rover]

anyone else started getting FPS drops today when they have not had them prior too now ?

like im usually sitting at around 160-180 FPS but have been noticing it drop as low as 50 FPS and it only started happening today not before lol

[sturdy summit]

I have had some connection issues, but I wouldn't describe them as fps drops

[hollow rover]

my connection has been perfectly stable lol just the FPS drops

just wondering if anyone else was having the same issue as its not an issue i have had until today

[sturdy summit]

make sure none of the fans on your computer have stopped working :p

[hollow rover]

im not running the game from my laptop 😛

[hollow rover]

i use GeForce Now cus my laptop is a pile o poop haha

[sturdy summit]

so do I, because the fans on my laptop stopped working 🤣

and that's also why I can't tell the difference between a connection issue and an FPS drop

[hollow rover]

could just be that they have put me on one of the 3080 machines this session and not a 4080 because they had none at the time of starting the game lol

[sturdy summit]

there was a major outage yesterday

for a big portion of the afternoon

[raw tartan]

i somehow skilled my mana strike spark charge in a strange way where i can get infinite negativ mana ffs 🤣 https://imgur.com/a/9YBrp0d

[hollow rover]

hrm it was fine for me yesterday

unless i just wasnt on at the time of the outage i guess

[sturdy summit]

if you managed to play through the outage without disconnecting, I think it was the entry point that was affected most.

it lasted from around 3pm EST to like 6pm

[hollow rover]

had no disconnects while i was playing so i must have been sorted by that point

[barren pawn]

what are you playing at?

[hollow rover]

Ultra ofc why would i go any lower when its usually perfectly fine to run it like that xD

[barren pawn]

what resolution dawg

ultra is a settings tier

[hollow rover]

well you did not specify that perhaps a little more clarity will get you the answer you seek

1920-1080 as its all my laptop will allow me

[barren pawn]

.... common sense when someone asks you what you are playing at, after mentioning fps is they are asking for resolution 😂

[sturdy summit]

no, I don't think so

[hollow rover]

uh no lol

[sturdy summit]

you need to be more specific when you ask that question

[hollow rover]

commen sense tells you that could be a number of things

[sturdy summit]

^

[hollow rover]

now logic on the other hand that is what determines whether you pick the right choice out of those common senses

[raw tartan]

this the same dude that said 200% ward retention is too much? hahah xD blocked half of this channel so far

[hollow rover]

daheck no way i have 450% and want more lol

[hollow rover]

no sure if its the same person Kyo Vrusa was the name

[raw tartan]

y its him XDD

part of the big nonsense club in here

[barren pawn]

Youre talking to a dude who got himself muted and nearly banned for trolling people in the d4 server btw.

[raw tartan]

i even got hated on today from 4 ppl for correcting someone that said mana strike scales with cast speed and another person that said frost claw can be specced melee lmao

[hollow rover]

aha i tend not to block people i just wont interact with them if i dont wan too xD

[limpid drum]

how do i get spell dmg and frostclaw level + x on an item?

[raw tartan]

frostclaw level is on relic

[hollow rover]

thats fine as long as i have no quarrels with him i couldnt care less what he is doing elswhere i work on the bases of i treat other how they treat me and until im disrespected they get the mutual respect they deserve

[raw tartan]

i can´t stop myself to not comment BS so i´m better off not even reading it

[hollow rover]

ya i saw all that lol

[hollow rover]

thats fair i have the self control well most of the time at least

[barren pawn]

youd need a relic, and need to get one hell of a roll. actually, is it possible for a relic to have both? Idr

[neon lynx]

those 2 stats are linked

spell dmg always comes with +claw

[hollow rover]

both are prefixes right i dont see why they cant be on the same item unless ofc a relic does not allow you to get spell dmg

[barren pawn]

huh... neat

[neon lynx]

https://imgur.com/a/N19Rp96

[barren pawn]

Actually a neat way to do it

[hollow rover]

i believe a lott of the Xlvl to skills come with spelldmg for mage

[neon lynx]

every skill comes with some sort of extra stat

spell dmg happens to be the claw one

[hollow rover]

but idk if he wanted just that or an additional spell dmg roll too

[barren pawn]

I may swap to frostclaw once i get my disintegrate build done

just to see what it feels like

[neon lynx]

https://imgur.com/V3tM0kO

regular spell damage cant go on relics

[hollow rover]

im having a lot of fun with frostclaw not going the lightning route tho taking the cold route

[barren pawn]

or i level my 2nd runemaster up to like 80 and run em like that

im having more a blast with disintegrating nova

[hollow rover]

ahh i wondered if that was the case so yeah just the xlvl +spell dmg then

[neon lynx]

and the answer to get that

is either buy it off the market

or pray

🤣

[hollow rover]

aha yeah im praying for a +4 frostclaw xD

[neon lynx]

that ss is of my last fodder one i got lol

all my other ones have bricked lol

[barren pawn]

im at +6 to nova

[errant plank]

Hello, which fire based runic invocation do you prefer? FFF? CFF? LFF?

[barren pawn]

the aoe nuke.

[frosty pewter]

Fff is so cool

[errant plank]

Greater Fireball ?

[hollow rover]

im at +0 currently no had any luck so far

[frosty pewter]

LFF is hydra which is supposed to be better

But FFF is just awesome

[errant plank]

alright perfect im Fire only atm 😄 Disintegrate/fireball/Runic 🙂

[barren pawn]

disintegrate isnt pure fire btw

unless you spec it

[errant plank]

i will move to that one later on, im 37 only atm 🙂

[barren pawn]

actualyl wait no

[errant plank]

i specced it yesterday

[frosty pewter]

When I finish up my current character Im gonna be cooking a greater fireball build tho

[errant plank]

nice, let me know when you have something, this is my first character im getting some knowledge about game and i move towards this build 🙂

[frosty pewter]

If it ends up being good ill make a guide, but I doubt it pushes super far

[barren pawn]

it doesnt

pure flame runemaster isnt in a great spot rn

[errant plank]

erg 😒 what do you mean by far?

will i be able to finish the campaign?

[barren pawn]

you can finish the campaign with anything really

[errant plank]

i wanted to respec my runic invocation and i udnerstand that ill just loose the points and will have to get the points again ?

[sturdy summit]

whenever people talk about what builds are good or not, they always mean doing endgame content, because campaign is still the tutorial

[barren pawn]

correct

you have to relvl it after respecializing.

the good news, is that they level faster

the secodn time round

[safe grail]

further clarifying this; Everything up until empowered monos is considered tutorial lol

[errant plank]

is the points gain based on lvl like character? so it may go fast if you have new skill?

[sturdy summit]

the midgame is still easy, but I wouldn't call it tutorial anymore

[safe grail]

nah fk that it's ezpz lemon squeezy and yer bad if you can't get thru it
/s

hehexd

[sturdy summit]

the points gain is based on the xp you get, so yes, based on level

also, if you're below twice your minimum skill level, you get an XP boost

so starting at level 80, you always get an xp boost

level 80 is when you max out your minimum skill level at 10

[turbid kettle]

mages, is there a nice unique other than Urzil's pride to regain mana?

any ideas?

[sturdy summit]

t7 spellslinger 🤣

[turbid kettle]

the heck is spellslinger

[sturdy summit]

it's a sceptre-only prefix

that reduces mana cost

-5 at t7, better than wand or staff's implicit

reducing mana cost is an important part of regaining mana

[turbid kettle]

yea, I'm actually trying to theorycraft a rogue fire build, spamming a spell that costs 12 mana, but preferably with a 2hander for max dmg

[sturdy summit]

better go ask in the rogue channel for rogue-specific advice

[turbid kettle]

well the mana issue is also a mage issue 😉

so thought maybe better to ask here for good items for that

[sturdy summit]

but different classes will solve it in different ways

[indigo isle]

Is there a way to find the spellblade-orineted uniques?

I can't seem to find a list when googling "Spellblade uniques" for some reason

[sturdy summit]

community support for spellblade definitely not as good as for runemaster

[neon lynx]

...

i just died to a spire

loading into the mono

?????????

IT HAPPENED AGAIN IN A DIFF ECHO

[raw tartan]

What is the base chain number of LB? Hit target + another?

Or not at all?

The node "chain lightning" is worded strange

"lightning blast can chain ADDITIONAL times, but cost more mana

So can it already chain baseline?

[hoary kernel]

sorceres is OP

[raw tartan]

Well, tested myself. I CAN'T CHAIN BASELINE

[abstract abyss]

Do my eyes deceive me or is there no fast melee atk like firebrand or mana strike with the cold tag for mage

[raw tartan]

therefore 4 points in chain lightning does exactly the same as 3 points for convergence since its rounded up, and 3/2= 1,5 rounded 2 is the same as 4/2= 2 not being rounded

[glossy quarry]

shatter strike lol

[raw tartan]

So why would you ever put 4 points in chain lightning? 🤯

[abstract abyss]

Oof

[sturdy summit]

how does that even happen? I've never seen spires begin firing during grace period, and grace lasts until you move

[glossy quarry]

venom spire?

[neon lynx]

i have no idea

but i came out of the load screen dead

twice

in a row

[inner tinsel]

Can anyone suggest me a good skill to use for leveling? The first few levels of mage seems so slacking

[glossy quarry]

if you got 0 items: glacier with mana cost reduction and removal of third spike but increase the damage of the second spike

[sturdy summit]

frost claw

[hollow rover]

i leveled with glacier then swiched to frostclaw once i had unlocked it

[inner tinsel]

I don’t think I have gone that far yet

I’m maybe level 6 or 7? But how can we only have aoe spell which is melee range lol

[inner tinsel]

Good to know, ty

[sturdy summit]

because it doesn't stay melee range. all skills can change drastically with 20 points of specialiation.

[hard egret]

what are the easiest/best skills to level with when making a runemaster? untwinked and never played mage before

[sturdy summit]

I second the advice to use glacier until you have frost claw. use mana strike for mana. Before 20, everything is jank, so just try to get through it as fast as possible.

[hard egret]

frost claw felt good when i got it, the fire orb felt better right after though

[cosmic moss]

I loved fireball, personally using that now. But frost claw is good as well.

[sturdy summit]

the problem with fireball is it doesn't have any way to generate ward, so the moment you leave the easy part of the game, you start dying.

[frosty pewter]

How does hydra generate ward? Thats peobably the same for fireball

[coral vortex]

what is gives runemaster the ability to cast a random invokation by casting other stuff?

[cosmic moss]

It's working out for me level 78

[pale gyro]

how viable is the humming bee for my spelblade?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMYFiA

[safe grail]

It’s really not.

[wet patio]

is there a cap on cast speed?

[hollow rover]

if there is i dont believe anybody has reached it yet lol and ive seen ppl with excess of 230% cast speed

[wet patio]

well, im hitting 350% cast speed with all of my buffs. just wondering if that is coincidence or if thats the cap

[hollow rover]

only wy to find out is try to squeeze a bit more in and see if you break over that 350%

[barren pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

... damn embeds

[wet patio]

lol

[rugged slate]

I'm sorry to ask but, what's a good beginner friendly build for Runemaster ?

[hard egret]

what are the easiest/best skills to level with when making a runemaster? untwinked and never played mage before
frost claw felt good when i got it, the fire orb felt better right after though

[hollow rover]

could always swap some rings or something that dont have cast speed with something that does then hit dummie with all your buffs to see if that pushes it over

[barren pawn]

disintegrate imo. doesnt require much

[rugged slate]

I'm following Maxroll leveling guide, pretty helpfull !

[wet patio]

i might have something i could slap on real quick. i'll give that a whirl

[rugged slate]

But it doesn't use runes rights ?

[hollow rover]

early on i used glacier then full swaped to frostclaw when i got it because its damage is good and it provides a tonne of survivabilty

[barren pawn]

it does.

[rugged slate]

The maxroll one ?

[hard egret]

what paths did you take?

[barren pawn]

you asked for a beginner friendly build, i sid disintegrate. I cannot speak about maxroll builds because i dcont use them

[tough mist]

does anyone have a good frostclaw runemaster build?

[barren pawn]

i hom,ebrew nearly everythning

[hoary basalt]

for the mage does glyph of intetion on flame dash count as a lightning spell cast for the shared dps boost in the sorceror passive tree

that weird rotation of cold-lightning fire or cold - fire - lightning ?

[hollow rover]

firs things first you want 3 points in Gift of Winter and 1 point into Frozen Reign for mana sustain then go for 2 points in Shiver shell and 1 point into Reowyn's Veil for the ward generation there rest is kinda up o you at that point 🙂

[wet patio]

ok, 350% is not the cap. thanks for pointing out just a simple solution as to add more cast speed to test. sometimes im just not smart enough for the obvious checks and balances : O

[hoary basalt]

what is gifts of winter

[hollow rover]

i have mine also casting elemental nova and ice barrage but you wont have the mana sustain for that early on so i would focus on things that give more damage or survivabilty with the tree instead

[shadow carbon]

Enyone here being nerfed?

[hollow rover]

aha all good glad i could help 🙂

[hard egret]

@hollow roveron through the snow any good?

[hollow rover]

it is a node within the specialization tree of Frostclaw

[hoary basalt]

oh I was looking at a different skill gotcha

[hoary kernel]

is any1 playing sorcerer?

[hollow rover]

all those nodes down that bottom left are very good however they substantially increase its mana cost and without the required gear it is to difficult to sustain

[hard egret]

i see

[wet patio]

now i just have to farm a 2 lp heart and hope to slam int and cast speed on it.........

[hard egret]

so if im level 20 and only have access to 3 special skills which 3 would you recommend?

[hollow rover]

people generally tend to switch into those nodes later on once they have the gear to do so im just taking a different route with my build

[hard egret]

frost claw for sure, but the other 2?

[hollow rover]

straight into Gift of Winter all 3

[hollow rover]

sorry the other 2 what ?

[hard egret]

no i meant if im level 20 and can specialize 3 skills which 3

[hollow rover]

ohh im sorry my misunderstanding

[hard egret]

i worded it bad

[hollow rover]

i would spec glacier just for the boss damage it provides

and then probably flame ward for a bi more surviabilty

or if you are still struggleing with mana then Mana Strike is an alternative

[hard egret]

glacier? that skill felt so bad when i got it 👀

[hollow rover]

it is bad and clunky lol but early on it has really good boss damge

[hard egret]

more than what volcanic orb would do?

that skill felt good

[hollow rover]

you will spec out of it later its literally just there for boss fights

[hard egret]

wonder how good volcanic orb > ice > faster + damage would be. like d2 frozen orb style

[hollow rover]

well the issue with going volcanic orb is that you are then splitting your damage types unless you want to take the node that turns Frostcaw into fire damge that could work if you would prefer to take the orb

or if the orb can be made cold yes that could work too

[limpid drum]

best skill to use for ice rune on frostclaw build thats also not useless?

runebolt?

[hollow rover]

i have no clue what works well with runebolt as i dont use it myself

[limpid drum]

not with runebolt

im saying that im using runebolt atm for it

but if theres something better

[hollow rover]

i have it so my frsotclaw also cast ele nova and ice barrage

oh i see uhm which invocation do you use

[sturdy summit]

a lot of people use flame rush, or flame ward. I like glyph of dominion specced fire.

[limpid drum]

flame rush counts as cold rune?

[sturdy summit]

it counts as fire rune

[hollow rover]

yeah my build guide says flame rush but im using flame ward instead

[hollow rover]

i believe it can be made cold yes

[limpid drum]

ye but im asking for a cold rune skill thats good to use

im using ruinic rn, runebolt(for cold rune/haste), flame ward LB and frostclaw

[sturdy summit]

ice barrage, frost wall, spec something into cold

[hollow rover]

if you convert its damage to cold then it counts as cold for your rune

same with flame ward

[limpid drum]

my flame ward is fire

[sturdy summit]

if you're using runebolt, why don't you spec it to provide all the runes you need?

[hollow rover]

does runebolt not do it in a random order ?

[sturdy summit]

no, it's always the same order, and you spec it to change which elements are on each of the three hits.

[limpid drum]

cuz im using immutable order on my ruinic

[hollow rover]

or can you define its order

ahh i see yh makes sense

[sturdy summit]

if you're using immutable order, runebolt seems like a waste.

what is your main damage skill?

[hollow rover]

same i have flame ward converted o cold 1st on my bar flame rush as fir 2nd and ice barrage as 3rd cold

[limpid drum]

hm ok i might swap my flameward to cold then

ill use flame ward cold, flame rush and LB then

[hollow rover]

you can even put a skill you are no specialised in or even plan to use as your any of the 3 skills

[limpid drum]

LB mainly for the 15% dmg buff

[sturdy summit]

cold flame ward has some nice perks, like the nodes that grant up to 1000 armor.

[hollow rover]

yeah i 3 points left and went with ward per second and ward retention but im wondering if he armor is more valuable for me as that also applies to my ward

[limpid drum]

okay so flame ward, flame rush, lb seems like a good plan i guess

can i even trigger LBs dmg buff by myself?

or do i need allies

[hollow rover]

i don use that skill so can be be more specific as to which node you are refering to so i can take a look at it for myself please

[limpid drum]

closed circuit

[hollow rover]

no you do not need allies it states "you or your allies"

[limpid drum]

weird i never see the buff below

[hollow rover]

it could be that the enimies are using all of the chains limit therefore its not chaining to you esxpecially in denser packs

because i believe it can only chain a set amount of times however you would think at some point one of them would chain to you

[hollow rover]

easiest way to test it is at the arena dummies that way you can hover over your buffs without the fear of dying

[limpid drum]

hmmm thanks will check

[raw tartan]

not sure if closed circuit works if you got convergence skilled

(if that´s the case)

[limpid drum]

whats convergence?

[sturdy summit]

a lot of buffs don't show in the buff bar.