🔱┃sentinel

[waxen nymph]

Therefore it's not a health cost

[warped helm]

ohhh haha, okay well playing with 4/5 then

[urban chasm]

https://youtu.be/t0mszklcMk0?si=FpfW0InMapmbF0Ul Orobyss now takes over 7 minutes 🙁

[waxen nymph]

Courage

A bit more corruption and his hp will rollback to the 1kc lvl

[south ledge]

Falconer: hold my beer

Still remember the Uber Aberroth falconer kill with magic items only. Before the "nerf"

[warped helm]

nice "max roll" game, thanks

[warped helm]

did judgement aura snapshot your mana btw or does it keep refreshing?

[peak zodiac]

everything except the damage vs ignited and damage vs high health snapshots

[warped helm]

i guess with pious you dont even want to keep your mana low right? you want the maximum mana consumed from the cast

duh yeah they dont even use devotion either anyway

[peak zodiac]

yea ideally you wanna be back to full by the time it expires, but that may be more or less possible depending on your gear

[warped helm]

lol i didnt even notice, the 2nd guy is already playing a completely different melee cons ground judgment spammer

[wooden mountain]

it's very annoying

acolyte has set gloves that can reduce the mana cost of infernal shade (base cost: 14) by -14 to -8 and ofc the 'max roll' is -8

[warped helm]

🙄

yeah thats silly

thats ridiculous these guys barely reach 60 mana regen with 150-180 apathy

[scarlet thistle]

The Quicksand node in Anomaly is bugged, right? At 100% it seems to consume the ailments and trigger their damage.

It's cool and should be a feature, but it's probably bugged because I don't know what it'd actually do at 125%.

[alpine sage]

good thing is that it has been bugged for 3 seasons

and still not fixed

so nobody will ever fix it

[scarlet thistle]

Bug just means it's a feature that can change at any time. I've given up on expecting things to be fixed and have just gone all in on treating them as features.

[warped helm]

😐 one of my biggest issues with LE, feels like the polish and bugfixing will never end and it might succumb to that

funny, im just farming beasts over here

lets see what happens if i corrupt these 2

1 brick 1 added t4 DoT

these beasties are dropping everything but xylems so im just spamming them for materials

[scarlet thistle]

Yeah... actually, I don't think I've seen a Xylem drop from a beast. Pretty sure I've seen everything else.

[austere frost]

Beast drops still need to be tuned to have better droprate

Same issue as 1.3

[warped helm]

actually cadence also never drops

cadence hammers was actually so fun

[simple reef]

xylem drops from beasts

[scarlet thistle]

It should. I just dont recall seeing it is all. If others have seen it, then at least the loot table isn't broken.

[simple reef]

yeah I'm just telling you it's been dropping

[warped helm]

ive had a single one as a drop all of last and this season

[wooden mountain]

apparently bleed is better overall but yeah it looked like a fun build

[warped helm]

yeah the duration stacking you can do with paladin seems nuts, think ive seen a guy on ladder with like 180% bleed duration or something

[wooden mountain]

nuts

chalice & bleed boots get you quite a lot of duration already I guess but even so

[warped helm]

wonder if theres a better hit based throw setup than that cadence one though, like it chunked but i dont think i could do anything special to take it to UA

i actually dropped a ridiculous bleed nemesis chest yesterday

good base plenty potential left

[wooden mountain]

yeah wow, don't even need to try to remove an affix for health

[alpine canopy]

Seems illegal

Even the phys res is good for either blade paladin or Torkrefin

[warped helm]

dont think im ready for another vengeance build yet 😂

[scarlet thistle]

Is the Weapon Master threshold not working with a 2H sword?

[warped helm]

k so my smite is at 89% crit, would be 100% if i grabbed another 2% base crit but probably not worth dropping another 25% multi for 🤔

[warped helm]

fairly sure it used to 🤔

[scarlet thistle]

It doesn't seem to affect my character sheet at least. Cant tell if it affects the actual speed

[warped helm]

now im debating rolling and corrupting it, would i even ever fodder that thing... seems so hard to get TH 3lp or null 2lp - and then you miss and be sad

[warped helm]

sigh, one xylem bricked the other got +5 melee crit 😔

[warped helm]

thats about as toxic as the omen veil fights with smite

even with +3 lightning bolt targets, get some rares or auras and 💀

[south ledge]

Also you can get 27% bleed duration per 3 slot idol, combined with altar multipliers you can easily get another 200% bleed duration from that alone

[warped helm]

like 180% or so i guess yeah, but at that point id rather worry about inc damage, also id be throwing so i need smite idol/s

[wooden mountain]

at +200% inc duration +1% inc duration is still +0.33% more damage basically, you do need to get increased damage but it's rare that 1% inc duration will be worse than 2-3% inc damage

[warped helm]

yeah this guy just uses one smite idol 5 duration ones, hes at 298% lmao

absolute turtle this guy with monument mainhand lmao

[warped helm]

had to check, my ignite guy rolls to 15-16m+ dot on the dummy sometimes but wildfire is pretty rng heavy

fissures i got only to 7m

its okay i guess but by comparison also incredibly squishy, i wish xylems DR wasnt a double conditional, low mana and rares/bosses only

lmao i did it @alpine canopy

what is that

other half got +1 forge strike

i even have this thing

[buoyant terrace]

🤣

[warped helm]

hate when that happens

[wooden mountain]

That thing is definitely illegal

[south ledge]

24s dummy kill time with forgestrike

expected worse

and char is only lvl 92

[warped helm]

is that the bleed build?

[south ledge]

nah

crit with rampancy/brutality

tryhard version

😄

[warped helm]

i was gonna say that sounds impressive hah

for bleed*

[south ledge]

yep

would have beeen

[warped helm]

i have to farm my fractured prisms on 100c on smite... i couldnt deal with it on 500c so i just went all the way down lol

even with all the extra bolt targets

id love to try exulis judgement but i dont think im getting one

[south ledge]

don't you have any other char you can farm the veils with?

I did that with a lvl 80 ES VK

and nuked the observers with my judgement crit build

which takes like 15s

[warped helm]

yea didnt wanna log on the ignite guy

he just sits in the middle and burns everything

[buoyant terrace]

damn brutality stacking is good

[south ledge]

now combine it with frenzy belt and rampancy

[warped helm]

i guess i should have cause 100c probably gives worse/less altars? but idk @south ledge

[south ledge]

I have frenzy on evade on my weapon

when I do a roll

I get a 2.5X dmg multiplier when frenzy activates

[warped helm]

sigh i almost can die on 100c even just because of the stupid empowering/aura stacking

[south ledge]

FG is great for brutality

[warped helm]

target limits wahoo

[south ledge]

you can still maintain good amounts of armor

same with paladin

I could never play that aura build

boring and clunky af

undoubtedly strong though

but I can bonk uber fast with crit judgement dual wield

so why play that

😄

mantle of pale ox is really crazy on FG

[wooden mountain]

does the prolif work that well?

[warped helm]

yea its really nice

i should film this and send it to ehg what a clown show with these auras

last time im doing these on this char lmao

[warped helm]

it has its good moments even on aberroth, when you cleave the harbinger next to him and it dies and swaps ignites over, sometimes get 2.5-3m dots on him for a moment

[warped helm]

alright 6 bolt targets + fissure did the trick

[south ledge]

If I had t7 Fs and t6 mana with vengeance on my pale ox

should be easily the same as judgement dps

[wooden mountain]

if forge strike can do that then the brutality & rampancy stuff is getting nerfed bigly lol

are you squishy?

[south ledge]

didn't feel squishy

pale ox + vengeance

also immortal vise and sW

char is kinda stacked though

this alone is bonkers

[south ledge]

Not sure though

All these shenanigans are still worse than current meta builds from falconer/bladedancer

And you need some time to build that. Farming the vit/Str Exulis Takes some.time

[wooden mountain]

yeah but that's rogue, they get special dispensation to be busted

the brutality/rampancy stuff is just any melee skill with a substantial mana cost, even ones with dodgy skill trees

[south ledge]

yep

but FS isn't too bad with fire

[warped helm]

ok well now i have a grand and this one for over 50% smite trigger, everything tells me to go corrupt some t7 throw speed carrion gloves now 👀

[wooden mountain]

are you gonna do orbiting hammers or chaining?

I thing orbiting are generally better but chaining has a different and imo quite nice playstyle

[south ledge]

75 + 50 + 100 + 12 + auto crit and ~+33 from spear forge

[warped helm]

i love chaining hammers too but its only good for low count dot builds isnt it

[south ledge]

270 multi

+/-

[wooden mountain]

I don't think the additional multi makes up for the reduction in hits, but you can play at range much better I guess

[warped helm]

right, i dont think this setup has to though, playing with block and monument mainhand lmao

[wooden mountain]

idk if a max block paladin can afford to play at close range, very fragile

[south ledge]

sounds squishy

[warped helm]

🐢

ohh i would love to play with the new haste shield on that 🤔

[gray fulcrum]

guys, can anyone explain "impair of the weak" node from abyssal echoes to me? are those 5% dmg on top of the Dot it would deal over 5s? or does the total dealt damage remain the same but is just applied quicker? thanks

[waxen nymph]

So usually AE deals dmg over time

Or all at once if hit

Both of those are disabled

Now, when you hit you deal 5% of the dmg

So if you were to do 100 total over 5 sec

Every hit you do will do 5dmg

But

If you do more than 20 hits you can effectively deal more than 100% of the dmg over the same duration

[south ledge]

good start

18s kill time with forge strike

still lvl 94 only

pretty close to judgement after all

[gray fulcrum]

Thanks mate. Sounds awkard 😂

[warped helm]

lol okay, first high roll pair and it lands the t7

alright alright

now get lucky with some 2lp exile boots? 👀

eh fine we take that

maybe the haste shield is overkill, forgot bleed builds zoom around with exile boots

[waxen nymph]

Imo it's a fun concept but numbers wise it sucks

Because you can take the quintuple Echoes nodes pop it 5 times for an equivalent 500% Dmg

And not being limited by the cooldown

[south ledge]

just realised forge strike can get +4 skills from naal's tooth

would still be hard to compete with this, even +5 all attributes on renegade

[urban chasm]

Finally, orobyss's HP overflowed. I cleared this game. see u next season!

[full oasis]

anyone here got a cool and fast Build for Sentinel ? im at 1000 corruption and i wanna push hgher

[south ledge]

when does this happen?

[waxen nymph]

Somewhere between 15k and 20k corruption

[south ledge]

alright uberroth bonked with FS

next goal is to lvl a beastmaster and do the same with the same build on fire EQ

[waxen nymph]

Dude is unstoppable

[south ledge]

didn't expect FS uber

xD

powercreep is real

could be way better with the melee dmg mod

[warped helm]

huh... 11k void meteor from orobyss at 810c... is this DR even working at all wtf

non crit

shouldnt have tanked it yes but that seems very excessive

[south ledge]

meteor always hits like a truck

[warped helm]

hm fair enough, spoiled by playing vengeance for a while lmao

you cant filter the ladder for worn gear right

wanted to take a peek at omens thorn setups, just found a thicket in the wild

[buoyant terrace]

now i appreciate this splitter even more

[south ledge]

holy moly

[warped helm]

holy crap

thats disgusting

.... jerk

everything minrolled

[south ledge]

F

[warped helm]

if i wanted to corrupt send this thicket chest and its only 1lp, you dont skip t7 attunement in favor of t7 thorns roll right? only pick attunement if 2lp

[wooden mountain]

Attunement > all afaik

the reason for reflect shaman over other masteries on primalist was just because shaman gets more attunement

[warped helm]

right

[buoyant terrace]

only 46sec on my erasing strike :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wlksLO9kg

squeezed all STRs 😄 reached 223 when stardials' are on. still difficult to beat the time

[warped helm]

lmao

meanwhile im happy this fractured prison went smoothly

ah crap, 3lp ornament now 😄 in what way did you find aura judgement clunky btw, is it the snapshotting with other skills before it?

@south ledge

[wooden monolith]

insane weapon !

[warped helm]

these recasts cost mana every time right?

[waxen nymph]

No

[wooden mountain]

I'm not sure how that interacts with Echoes though

whether you get the sequential casts from echoes too or not

[south ledge]

Exactly that

[south ledge]

Should be

[wintry wasp]

Can somebody help me with a build? I'm fairly new to the game, found a Palarus kind of early into the leveling and have a couple of questions:

• Should I spec into divine bolts for extra fire stack procs? I don't think I can justify spending around 10 skill points there if it doesn't do much
• Should I spec into crit/spell crit for smite? I can't accurately see how much damage it does from hits vs ignite.
• Any "recommended" way to sustain mana?
• What defensive layers should I prioritize besides reists?

[scarlet thistle]

Reduced bonus damage from crits is a great defensive layer. Endurance is great and is often overlooked.

[wintry wasp]

Yeah, I took some reduced crit bonus from the passives, but don't have much else with that stat yet

[frigid zenith]

you'd typically focus on either crit or ignite, there's not typically enough room to scale both effectively

[warped helm]

sigh, not one exulis drop still

slightly interesting for bleed hammers i guess

nvm killed it 😄

i got a 28 int oculus.. sure wish that was attunement

[south ledge]

I got a 24 STR one

Pretty nice to get before 1 LP red rings

[warped helm]

💀 thats just toxic

shame about this double mana +1 titan heart if i respec this guy to bleed, almost feel like moving towards judgement instead and leaving this guy mostly intact, reroll for bleed

but theres also no guarantee i like judgement at all

time to get a new staff and make it multismite instead, or hammerthrow 🤔 i feel like all this castspeed i got still does not even get me to 5 casts a second

[wooden mountain]

240% inc cast speed gets 5/s with smite btw

5 / 1.467 = 3.408...

[warped helm]

and i "only" get to like 165% at low mana, thats with 2 t7 castspeed affixes one being on the weapon

its just kinda miserable compared to trigger versions still is what it feels like

[wooden mountain]

you can definitely get more smites/s with multistrike even if you still use xylem but mana is a serious issue

[warped helm]

ah because of extra sword consume+bolt mana huh.. right

[wooden mountain]

yes

and you don't get nearly as much flat from devotion without xylem

2 mana per attunement is up to 0.4 flat per attunement, xylem taking that up to 8 is 1.6 mana per attunement at 0 mana

[warped helm]

right, im just disappointed over here that even with all this it still has its shortcomings i guess

even with over 500 (150% ade so over 750?) flat damage and all these multipliers

[wooden mountain]

yeah it's a very dependable build I guess but it isn't close to the top tier of DPS and lacks actual AOE despite being ranged multi-target

[warped helm]

yeah the +1 bolt per point and only one bolt at all times hitting singletarget is a little rough

id be better off swapping 1 point to fissure on the exact same setup for omens lmao

for the very difficult omen packs

[warped helm]

sir thats the wrong frenzy mod 😔

[warped helm]

wait thats sick, but what did i make my cleanse belt for now

[remote iris]

Why army of skin boots the first choice to WP ?
Blood of Exile boots seems more juicy

[warped helm]

if its not a bleed build then blood of the exile are just movementspeed attribute sticks

army has damage and attackspeed for melee

[remote iris]

Ohh forget about attack speed

[wooden mountain]

more damage vs high life enemies is pretty significant at letting you kill trash faster too

[warped helm]

or 100-0'ing better

[warped helm]

holy shit lmao, thats in town no buffs

[quaint hearth]

Isn't this corrupted affix giga bis for Rive?

[warped helm]

seems really good but hard to compare vs a high flat roll i guess? or high attackspeed too

but that does seem high

harsh proc cap tho

[warped helm]

oh and missing another idol, wanna enchant more first

[austere frost]

No because its limited proc so im reality you get very few extra stacks

Bis would be the flat,or crit multi,even a attack speed t7 one corrupts

Meanwhile you can have like unlimited shurikens orbiting around you that one shot uber to a point with no cap on shuriken rogue mods in weapons quiver 👍

[wooden mountain]

that's the aristocratic privilege that #🔪┃rogue enjoys, sentinel is at the very least upper middle class

though forge guard is definitely among the peasantry

[quartz oar]

Rampancy opens up a lot of potential for forge guard though, since attack speed has always been a fundamental roadblock for the class.

[warped helm]

👋 upper middle class 2500 bleed stacks zdps over here

i remember why everyone just went with timerot everything these days

im afraid of doing 3way omens on 900+ corruption.. im going to 500 to test lmao

[wintry wasp]

Anything you could recommend for scaling ignite? 🤔 (items, passives, affixes, etc)

[frigid zenith]

I haven't really done much ignite, maybe someone else here can help

[wooden mountain]

Ginnie has done ignite vengeance to good effect I think

[quartz oar]

Based on successful dot builds I've seen, you need to get extremely high stack count, lots of more multipliers in the application skill, and it helps a lot to have an alternate stat scaler similar to paladin scaling dmg with healing effect.

For the most part though, ignite chance, attack speed, and penetration are the main scalers.

I haven't done any successful dot builds admittedly though. I've tried a few times but they end up weak af.

[wintry wasp]

I'm mostly stacking it using warpath and smite procs, are there other good alternatives? 🤔

[quartz oar]

Shield rush had a dot build, though I'm not sure if the skill is still bugged. Javaelin and vengeance both had dot builds.

I really want to try a smelters wrath furnce dot build but I know it's going to be slow af so I'm not eager to invest time in it yet.

[warped helm]

yeah wildfire ignite vengeance was nice, this 2500 stack bleed hammer smite however... something must be broken here

[austere frost]

Vengeance or shield throw for ignite builds

Warpath is not a good dot applier imo

[peak vessel]

So i now have 35 Exulis, guess how many are rampancy and brutality (the only one I want)

honestly

F this game

[wintry wasp]

Hm, I think I'll try vengeance out instead of warpath, but what can I use when clearing?

[austere frost]

I got 2 i think at most i think is the worst rng on that combo like the weights dont feel same

[warped helm]

how 3700 bleed stacks with these stats barely reach 6mil dot on the boss dummy is beyond me, this build is done somethings gotta be broken

ive still not gotten an exulis

[peak zodiac]

i mean even before you account for rolls ramp/brut exulis is 1/30

[peak vessel]

i have 7 vit / att

[austere frost]

The amulet wildfire and vengeance clears fine ,there is a Chinese player called mistia in YouTube she has a kick ass ignite vengeance build pally

[peak vessel]

is that right ? surely its 1/9 ?

[wintry wasp]

I'm just looking for some advice, taking an existing build wouldn't be as fun

[austere frost]

Now how many with t6 or even t7 affix you got from all those exulis

Like rofl so bad designed

[peak zodiac]

1/6 for one of the two and then 1/5 for the second one

er wait

there's 5 attributes not 6 lmao

so 1/20

which means you're unlucky but not overly so

[austere frost]

I dont play the build vengeance proccing healing hands and you make healing hands shoot divine bolts seems good clear to me with wildfire

[frigid zenith]

shouldn't it be 2/5 then 1/4

[peak vessel]

i wouldnt mind but its just such a f'ing chore to farm

[austere frost]

Feels worse cause you gotta do omen veil

[warped helm]

vengeance iron blade with wildfire proliferation is really good clear imo (for a melee)

[austere frost]

Since omen veil is just there for 2 thing like normal Abby is feels crap to grind that

Idol altars quality from it is bad because devs can give players good way to get altars,idols on the same grind routine

[peak vessel]

the node from the weaver tree that allows the frozen prison to drop twice is a god send for farming it, imcurrently doing 35 omens veil then around 40 frozen prisons

[warped helm]

omen veil 3-way shouldnt be a requirement to get to the boss, its such a garbage encounter

[austere frost]

Like no no go spend your currency on pinnacle chaos while also having to do omen for no good altars

[austere frost]

Omen veil forced on us to do new boss and sustain fragments is not my cup of tea,if at least has good quality affix it would be fine but its designed to not give you Good altars in general so

[peak vessel]

ill do one round of both then just shut the game down XD

[austere frost]

I am done this league just waiting for poe 2 insane league

[peak vessel]

like theres so many builds i wanna try that revovles around this so i might just be doing the same

[wooden mountain]

have you compared it to the maxroll build to see if you're missing something?

because they're using gear much worse than that chest you dropped

and it's in A tier which is meant to be 20m+ dps on the boss dummy IIRC with the mostly 1xT7 gear

[peak vessel]

@south ledge do you have a link for your FS forgegaurd build ?

[warped helm]

nah ive been roughly comparing to someone on ladder in 1400 or 1500 corruption but i'll take a look, i can make slight adjustments still but also the fact that i slowly just run out of mana to even cast echos

[warped helm]

20m+ dps on the dummy has to be s tier right.. like you cant even sustain the buffs needed to get that going on this build lol

and my gear indeed is straight up better than that

[wooden mountain]

I think S tier is 50m+ on dummy

but idk, I hear people say tens of millions of DPS single target but I see the gameplay footage and it just isn't apparent that they're doing ~1/10th of that in lvl 100 areas

[warped helm]

did this thing land in a tier because of the AE "eat all bleed stacks do big damage" thing or something? does that talent even have a practical use if theres no "burst windows" or anything you need to very quickly kill 🤔

[wooden mountain]

I really don't know tbh

bleed pop is generally regarded as good

lets you skip phases on UA for some builds

[warped helm]

i will say its quite the tank with the shield-weapon and all but.. yeah wouldnt rate it on the fun side of things

makes me wanna swap back to lightning fissure and figure out how to make that setup smooth (also battling with echos on that one & the mana drain/dumping skill)

do you know what happens with the 0 cost smite node and fissures, i assume you can cast smite but fissures still wont spawn right?

[warped helm]

reading

[wooden monolith]

what s the name of this node ? you re talking about imprint ?

ginnie, go void smite, it s way better !

paladin smite sucks

[wooden monolith]

i got one today, i did like 200 fractured prison...

this season sucks, i have no good idol altar yet, only 1 good omen idol and i corrupted 31 shattered worlds and didn t get frenzy. i killed like 100 ubber aberoth to get nothing.

too much rng

i am looting barely nothing, waiting for poe2 too

[peak vessel]

misery does love company XD

[peak zodiac]

for selfcast paladin is more dmg this season but the playstyle is worse, multistrike on vk more dmg than anything else with vk tho

[wooden monolith]

yeah, was talking about vk multismite, best smite build

[peak zodiac]

damage is really good, i dont like the playstyle of it personally. you lose all the range and smoothness of selfcast

would be nice if you could more easily cap crit for devouring orb on multistrike, but even with SW it’s not really an option

[austere frost]

Devouring orb needs a tree upgrade like needs condensation of points

[quaint hearth]

The one on maxroll? Or the one from previous season with 2hander?

[short tulip]

effing nemesis 🙁

[warped helm]

whatd the nemesis do?!

[short tulip]

melee fire damage instead of void lol

[warped helm]

oh you got firedamage instead of lp and sent the corruption after anyway?

[short tulip]

yes? does it matter? I wanted to see what corrupt it will give lol

[warped helm]

well i was confused how u nemesis'd a corrupted item

[short tulip]

ofc it's nemesis first lol

[wooden monolith]

The 2h version from maxroll in previous seasons was not the best version. Dual wield multistrike is stronger

[warped helm]

idk man ive seen some questionable stuff on maxroll LE section these days

but i guess its still the biggest source of step by stap guides

[quaint hearth]

Why is it stronger? More attack speed and damage multiplier per ailment from laddle, or there is more to it?

[wooden monolith]

I don t know, i tried 2h version from marxroll in 1.3, then i did my own version (dual wield) and i had better dps with dual wield. i played multismite for a while mostly for ubber aberoth farming, ua kill time was 2' with laddle + aurelis, 3' with 2h

[wooden mountain]

Is ladle better than tribolecta? +3 skill levels for smite should be pretty competitive with the more spell damage and tribolecta has better flat

[wooden monolith]

I don t know, i didn t test tribolecta

[waxen nymph]

For what build ?

[wooden monolith]

Wait we re not talking about same build, tribolecta is for lightning

[warped helm]

think im gonna change back to lightning fissure xylem once more and focus on more dps and health idols rather than more flat mana (aside from corruption bonus) 🤔

since smite damage is pretty lackluster and fire damage over time doesnt work for it, big idols are kinda meh

lightning pen idols should help a lot since you cant really shred res either with fissure

[wooden mountain]

I thought you were talking about lightning multi-smite paladin

[wooden monolith]

No, vk multismite

[wooden mountain]

what 2h were they suggesting? omnividence or something else?

[wooden monolith]

Yeah omnividence

[wooden mountain]

okay yeah I can see dual wield being better

omni multismite seems good enough though, you can get a lot of attack speed even with a staff

[wooden monolith]

Ye don t need attack speed with 2h multismite ?

[wooden mountain]

wat? attack speed is good on both isn't it?

I'm just saying that staff not being able to slam attack speed isn't fatal to the build

[wooden monolith]

Yep, you don t need a lot of attack speed to trigger smite.

[wooden monolith]

I tried electrify multismite in 1.3 with t8 wand, build was pretty strong, i killed UA with it but i struggled a lot. I died like 70 times. Build is squichier than vk version

[austere frost]

Giving to much credit to maxroll they still using apathy maw for rive ,there are stuff that you can change to every almost build it there to make it better

[warped helm]

some of the builds definitely seem like less/little thought put into, like a vague idea you need to improve on

[austere frost]

Or copy paste

[wooden mountain]

I have no complaints about any of mishka's builds that end up on there

[quaint hearth]

There is version with Sword Catcher

I still think they are doing tremendous job for the community

[warped helm]

first exulis drop after like 30 kills! and it sucks

[full oasis]

are there any really fast builds with good aoe for Forge Guard or Paladin?

[true raptor]

Slap enough MS on any build and you can make it fastish

But I guess that really depends on what you mean by "fast"

[full oasis]

im looking for many different builds and i struggle on around 1 k corruption so i thought maybe there is something with more dps thats fun to play not like a walking simulator ^^

as i play mainly echoes i would prefer clearing over single target dps

[true raptor]

Not really messed with FG much so can't really comment on that but for Paladin you have Shield Throw, Hammers, Javelin

Smite is decent in many forms too but again not something I have messed with personally

[full oasis]

yeah i saw a Void Cleave pop build for VK but i dont know how the clearing is

[true raptor]

VK in general is very good

Pvt.Vlad has a lot of experience experimenting on Sentinel so he will likely be able to offer way more useful and specific info than me

[waxen nymph]

What I can recommend

VK

• Warpath
• Shield Throw Time Rot
• Multi Smite

Paladin

• Bleed Hammer Smite
• Judgement Aura

FG
There is the Spell Shield Throw thing, but without pre farming the idols idk if I would recommend it

[austere frost]

Ok on the uber version ,it should be like normal aspirational as well ,and the affixes are wrong , the forge weapons corrupt is mid,and rive scales much better with flat and increase than what they put there

[wooden monolith]

javelin paladin can be very fast + good aoe. fastest builds are vk though : warpath, erasing strike and rive

[warped helm]

what idols is it for the spell shield throw thing anyway?!

or just spell weaver idols

[frigid zenith]

usually the idol enchant with spell damage with shield/2Haxe

and shield throw fork chance for the base

[warped helm]

painstakingly got myself a 5% crit 60% frenzy shattered worlds on the ignite guy thats probably just inevitably gonna brick

[frigid zenith]

[warped helm]

oh yuck, enchant grind is one of the most unfun things - how does the fork thing work/interact with ricochet/lava burst?

oh its probably not gonna live the nemesis i mean

[frigid zenith]

I'm not 100% sure, as far as I understand the fork just creates an extra copy that can ricochet too

lava burst just procs normally on every hit from any shield

[ruby furnace]

Does this only work if I have forge flames specced?

There's no visual change from the previous node to this one

[waxen nymph]

Spell with a shield + spell with 2h axe enchant

[warped helm]

sounds nuts/fun

[austere frost]

Paladin can do more damage than forgeguard with shield throw lavaburst if you decide the idol grind is too much since you really want t7 echantments but min max forgeguard is better at the end

[wooden monolith]

can manifest armor survive ubber aberoth ?

[austere frost]

I dont think so

[wooden monolith]

caus you need it for ricochets ?

[austere frost]

But you are supposed to use bees i think now for more dps

With the corruption

[wooden monolith]

i have no idea what bee does lol

[austere frost]

Its just for a lot more ricochet lavaburst

[wooden monolith]

k

[austere frost]

Ask debris he is the goat of lavaburst forgeguard

YouTube People copying all his forguard builds🤣

[wooden monolith]

i know ! but i don t play forgeguards builds, too slow.

[austere frost]

Tbh manifest armor should survive normal attacks from uber so idk ,damage this league is quite good overall but not like broken,if ehg would get rid or lower the less damage stuff from forgemaster the build would be much stronger

Running a 26% less damage on any 2 hand shield build aint great for uber timings

[wooden monolith]

yep and running without haste sucks for mapping

[austere frost]

They should give you more block than 10% if you cant have haste

[wooden monolith]

no, being slow is not fun, they need to remove the haste penalty

[warped helm]

do these bees not die to every bit of damage as well? and MA felt very squishy too thats mainly why i still dislike relying on minions for shieldthrow

[austere frost]

They do but they get summoned fairly often and its all about proccing as many lavaburst as we can

For mapping its really easy well set up,maybe you need to adjust something for uber

[warped helm]

i got a dozen bee idols but if the spell enchants are like a requirement to get damage anywhere then i'm good

[austere frost]

You can get bee on belt right as well,for idols the spell echantments is more important having some with bee corruption is nice but like its a pain already getting those enchantments to t7 so I wouldn't even risk it

[warped helm]

i hit a single t7 ignite duration enchant for my vengeance guy and sometimes it took 40+ enchants to even see that mod

[austere frost]

Something that needs rework i hope at least they actually work on that for orobyss expansion cause for 1.5 I think its not getting touched

I gave up on enchantment unless I absolutely need it way too bad of a grind

[warped helm]

3t6 mods and u miss both of them, nice

atleast i didnt try to reroll the affixes beforehand... ha.. ha..

[full oasis]

is there any Rive or Multistrike Build that has good AOE?

[peak vessel]

Both of them do if spec’d right

[warped helm]

spear multistrike is sick

[austere frost]

Rive has decent aoe With second strike

[wooden monolith]

what is that ?

[wooden monolith]

ok, i read "spear multismite".multistrike is strong, i like this skill.you play it with plague s dragon ? another version is swordcatcher+ fang of the berserker or butcher s crown

[warped helm]

ive not messed with even pre nerf swordcatcher

i did plague dragon i think, crusader did the void spear forgot the name

really starting to hate this omen mechanic, already went down in corruption for this hammer respec and still just get stunned to death.... what a shitshow

[uneven gorge]

multistrike is also rly good with gavel and a sword

[wooden monolith]

i want to try multistrike with gavel+jormun sword !

[wooden monolith]

play with mask of indifference ! or farm with warpath, you can t be stunned

[warped helm]

gavel wants an exalted offhand though, katana probably

id love to make a gavel build still but at the same time this game is grinding my gears atm

[wooden monolith]

jormun sword is an exalted

[austere frost]

We are all there 😅

[wooden monolith]

i mean if it get reforged

[austere frost]

Reforged works for the bonus

[wooden monolith]

i like the game, and i hate it at the same time. i like trying new builds, but they nerfed the loots, new mechanic is too much rng, you can t target farm what you want, and they removed impring farming

[warped helm]

but then youd have to wear the belt 😐

[wooden monolith]

yep

[warped helm]

probably still good since chains got nerfed anyway and the 2p is good

[wooden monolith]

chain is not nerfed, it s void only

vk

[warped helm]

which is a nerf to everything non void in my book 😄

[wooden monolith]

yeah

[warped helm]

and yeah i mean for me its just the overall performance and polish/bug fixes of the game too

[wooden monolith]

so gavel+jormun set is perfect

[warped helm]

i feel like i have to restart hourly, bugfixing somehow looks like its gotten worse/slower...

and i cant even think of farming aberroth atm like what even is that loot bug and why is that not fixed week 1 of the season

[austere frost]

Its a 20% more damage so jormun works well enough,the frenzy belt will out dps it reaĺly hard unless you go like t7 affix jormun on weapon

[wooden monolith]

the worst bug has been fixed with 1.4, loot filter was bugged and was hidding uniques

i couldn t see oceareon, butcher s crown, fang of the berserker

now i can see them

[austere frost]

They stopped last time around this time so hopefully they still bugfix for like 2 weeks more some stuff should get fixed

[warped helm]

thats crazy..

well got a 2lp gavel, probably wont hit anything but i'll post tomorrow

[south ledge]

I played a lot around with gavel this season, cuz I had a very good jormun exalt

Even the corrupted added melee DMG gets doubled

Yesterday leveld my beastmaster with upheaval and it was crazy fast

[warped helm]

it was an okay buff i guess

[wooden mountain]

I need shockwave to shotgun

[warped helm]

i got a lot of 2ex+ swords i think i might try, i assume the sword has to have flat and speed doubled and the mace maybe flat and crit?

[warped helm]

or, chance based (per target) but may hit singletarget 👀

chance as in maybe lower than currently possible

[wooden mountain]

I was thinking it should be shockwave is guaranteed but you get a limit per use based on points invested

up to 1 enemy per point triggers a shockwave on hit with upheaval 0/X points

and then same on totems for the totem shockwave node

[warped helm]

rive and multistrike recently they got interesting fresh ideas for (rive 2h, multi-multihit for more cost)

but some skills just stayed rather uninspired

lets see if i can hit anything on this 2lp gavel first

[frigid zenith]

what new stuff did rive get

[south ledge]

My sword didn't have flat, but the corruption added flat melee damage which made it even generic.

[warped helm]

👀 i feel like once i hit a good result i dont dare corrupting it anymore

[south ledge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakbrDe7

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (67)

General:

▸ Health: 2,709, Regen: 641.76/s
▸ Mana: 224.51, Regen: 10.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 110%, Regen: 17/s
▸ Attributes: 167 Str / 48 Dex / 55 Int / 62 Att / 55 Vit
▸ Resistances: 166% / 98% / 98% / 129% / 76% / 80% / 67%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 1,145
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (192)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,172)

Used skills:

Vengeance / Judgement / Healing Hands / Holy Aura / Symbols of Hope

[south ledge]

Used this setup

[warped helm]

UNLESS im allowed to split it at the end

[south ledge]

Also 10% flat crit

From the jormund set shard

[warped helm]

hmm right

[south ledge]

Also 88% bleed which is effectively crit multiplier

[warped helm]

and speed just on the offhand even with a slow mace in the mainhand was okay?

im gonna play multistrike though probably

[south ledge]

Yep

[warped helm]

so id probably play physbased as well

[south ledge]

https://youtu.be/8qIo9mp7k4g?is=3TNlFuIfyZmyIGdq

Uberroth with this setup

[warped helm]

the +skills on it cant doubledip right, once its converted just the +fire counts?

[south ledge]

Yep

Only +1

[warped helm]

oh great a showcase of the loot bug 🙄

[south ledge]

Yeah that got annoying AF...

[warped helm]

dang dude, chunky

shame my first shattered worlds died immediately, was a 5% 60% roll too

[south ledge]

Rip

Yeah I was pleasantly surprised

In particular gavel offers a good amount of survivability, while giving up some DPS compared to a highly maximised frenzy belt setup

But even with this half baked gavel setup I did my 50+ uberroth kills without any issues

[warped helm]

how did dualwielding even work with something like multistrike, does it alternate or does one half just deal more damage if mace or sword has more flat (phys exalt mods)

[south ledge]

Nah all of the stats are applied in your stats sheet

And when you use a skill, it takes its values from your cumulated stats

At least that's my understanding

[frigid zenith]

yeah it just adds all the stats together, and averages the base attack speed

[waxen nymph]

You always combine both weapon

This isn't like in Poe

You never hit with your weapons
Your weapons give you stats and properties to you

So you "use" them both at the same time if you want

[warped helm]

alright simple

[waxen nymph]

Just bonk

[wooden mountain]

despite every swing in theory using both weapons we have had bugs this season where swipe did different things on different swing animations, 'left handed' swings weren't working with a bunch of nodes

so you can't necessarily assume that the animations are only visual

[waxen nymph]

It was a different skill somehow

[wooden mountain]

was that the explanation?

[warped helm]

sigh most of these 2ex+ weapons look hard to salvage, as usual

[waxen nymph]

Please take a seat

[wooden mountain]

crafting reforged or exalt gear is always so much harder than if your build can just use high LPL 1lp gear

[waxen nymph]

I guess you can't have another animation if you don't have another skill

[warped helm]

god dammit, well youre a vengeance base now

btw am i imagining things, envy glyphs seem to rip way more FP this season, always

atleast for me

oohhh!

[wooden mountain]

nice

[warped helm]

now bleed chance or phys pen, i guess multistrike might have points to grab some phys pen already

i'll be lacking crit multi i guess

alright im scared, upgrade or split and corrupt time to check results

split it, one hit t1 life on hit (lol) one affixes maxed 🤷‍♂️ works for now i guess

[south ledge]

Affixes maxed sounds alright

[warped helm]

might have a use case for thorn slinger instead and use a very good double t6 katana, i think multistrike was very point hungry

never lucky, other one hit t1 DoT

[frigid zenith]

this is such a damn good base

[warped helm]

yeah shame its not even worth imprinting

[frigid zenith]

put in a lightning pen and it's the perfect combo to slam on a palarus for the build I'm working on

rub me some of your luck off

[warped helm]

well, got a set sword or potential non set offhand, nice

52 attackspeed doubled sounds incredible though

[short tulip]

increased echo damage worth it?

ES

[south ledge]

Since you have guaranteed echos sure

[short tulip]

ok what about this:
increase echo damage or +25% crit dmg multi?

[south ledge]

Which item slot are talking about?

For example 150% echo damage on idols is huge

[short tulip]

helmet

[south ledge]

And 25% crit multi is a ~14% DMG increase

If you have no other sources of crit multi

[short tulip]

terror crown base vs myrmidon base

[south ledge]

Definitely terror crown, because you also get vitality

Which increases your melee void damage multiplicatively

[short tulip]

alright thanks!

what if something better like this?

assume T5 echo damage T8 mana%

[austere frost]

Terror crown as second bis helmet ,first leonine

[short tulip]

why is leonine BIS?

[austere frost]

Because has insane flat Armour and basically frees one stat so you can can get better stat on belt ,since reduced damage from crit implicit on leonine is op

Leonine >terror crown any build ,any day of the week

For es the best stat you can get on helmet is double mana and basically you make primordial one of them ,usually flat gives more mana than percent as primordial

[short tulip]

oooh got it

[short tulip]

rly? even if % is 40%?

[austere frost]

Yep

[short tulip]

240 mana > 40% mana? got it

[austere frost]

Because 240 becomes 480 mana ez while the increase don't have same effect

You are close if not at 100% increase mana already

[short tulip]

got it, thanks for these!

[warped helm]

so im currently on my hammerdin (hit) swap and uh.. was like maybe i need more raw damage to deal with overkill clear better for omens (though really its just me trying not to die)

turns out... yeah probably not. i have over 1.2k inc damage plus 350% increases from attributes on hammer

100% crit, 600% multi... yeah i dont know what to do then

[austere frost]

You throwing the hammers like in nova style? Or around you

[warped helm]

i would love to play nova but you lose so much damage and thus overkill damage

thats my main issue for omens

im playing chaining

[austere frost]

For omen you need aoe clear if not they will never feel good

[warped helm]

i was debating going stun nodes and nova

[austere frost]

My lich is quite insane but its not good for omen that being said it rests new boss im seconds

[warped helm]

but this is just always really unreliable on bosses unfortunately

[austere frost]

Stun is weird in theory massive damage but again they gotta be stunned

[warped helm]

actually

[austere frost]

For trash mob with the julra helmet it may work

[warped helm]

if you toss that many in a nova and have overkill clear you could still keep this i suppose, and then add some stun damage nodes 🤔

[austere frost]

Ysah I would try that node too

Maybe some of the stun idols that are useless 99% of the time

[warped helm]

i can even see myself running one large stun idol

yup, yeah sounds good i'll try that, i dont feel like tip toeing around omens anymore lmao

then i dont lose as much damage from chains

[austere frost]

I changed builds this league to es vk just because of omen veil

[warped helm]

dude ive been spoiled by playing wildfire vengeance ...

smite fissure was okay but 2h version just was far from tanky in 800+

hitbased smite i literally respecced to +3 bolts and fissure just to clear the low corruption omen veils <_<

[austere frost]

Smite needs more clear in my book cause thats the problem you get overwhelmed

[warped helm]

yeah and i couldnt help but think wow this omen veil 3way thing is really anti probably like 95% of normal builds

[austere frost]

Had same problem on mana flay can insta kill but no aoe huge for omens

[warped helm]

its not that common to have large aoe clear in this game lmao

[austere frost]

Yeah Idk what they were thinking when designing that echo ,this league feels not great if your aoe aint good

Most skills have mid to no aoe rofl

[warped helm]

and if its supposed to be a gap closer boss inbetween abby and UA, youre really not making it accessible for most people

[austere frost]

Javelin pally would do well probably

[warped helm]

i was thinking about javelin instead of hammer for the bleed setup since my gear is so insane

[austere frost]

The fact omen veil is harder than the new boss is baffling to me

[warped helm]

hammer just feels incredibly unreliable nowadays

yup lol

even on 100c on some builds

[austere frost]

I do mine at around 900 corruption despite having insane gear

[warped helm]

do you know, can javelin get decent bleed multipliers? while maybe also running split spears?

oh wait it then converts bleed rip

ignore the last part

[austere frost]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6PJKk9e this is my sub 1k corr player just cause omen veil sucks grind

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,331, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,694.05, Regen: 15.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 67 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 21 Att / 53 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 61% / 81% / 130% / 87% / 88% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 76%, Threshold: 1,334
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (217)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,850)

Used skills:

Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope / Erasing Strike / Healing Hands / Anomaly

[warped helm]

yeah... thats jut slightly above avg gear

oh no, for once i thought "i will never mess around with these stun throw idols" and maybe didnt pick up any ....

[austere frost]

Javelin does better job at electrify than bleed ,like it wont scale better than your hammer throw

[warped helm]

yeah figured, and the clear would suck without prolif or split spears

welp i have one 115% stun omen idol

ugh i lose the 80% multi from enra's too i guess, dangit

[warped helm]

hm could javelin deal enough throw dps without a spear on 🤔

[wooden monolith]

What s wrong with wilfire vengence ? It seems pretty op

[warped helm]

yeah spoiled, like omens didnt feel like a threat on that build

on other builds though...

[wooden monolith]

Ha ok, i misunderstood, why dont you do omens with your wilfire build ?

[warped helm]

sick of playing with vengeance range

and the attackspeed didnt really feel great now going back to it either

[wooden monolith]

I am spoiled with warpath too ^^ warpath is good at everything, i am fast, insane aoe, insane bossing !

And good tanking, i did 200 omens veils at 1k corruption and died like 5 times

[warped helm]

and now i lose a conquered tower because my hammer just ignores and doesnt hit my target man im done with this skill too

[scarlet thistle]

I've been enjoying Shield Throw VK for Omens lately. Aside from crafting the armor, the rest is pretty friendly.

[wooden monolith]

Maybe it is time for you to turn to the dark side : a vk build lol

[warped helm]

i love timerot but its just more of the same but even stronger this patch

also been messing with too much bad dot stuff that i want something hit based now

[wooden mountain]

There's a spear which does the splits for phys

[warped helm]

right but thats a whole setup change at that point unfortunately

[wooden mountain]

Try channeling healing hands spell with sacrificial embrace, I hear it's not terrible for a meme

[warped helm]

i think i had enough terrible the past 3 days \o/

[wooden mountain]

200 flat void with 200 void pen tho

[warped helm]

i just feel like this is not the season for some 2-step process type dps builds, unless you start ignoring omens entirely

[wooden mountain]

That's fair

[warped helm]

how would you even get the stacks going frequently

[wooden mountain]

Well you use HH to get the stacks for your next channel of HH, it snapshots per time you start channeling iirc

I've never tried it myself but I've heard it's better than you might expect

[warped helm]

i see

right i forgot hh channel itself will still do stuff and hit/crit

[wooden mountain]

You're right to doubt it tbh, you need to channel for like 7 seconds to stack it don't you?

On single target?

[warped helm]

casts 4 times a second

[wooden mountain]

4 times per second, up to 66% chance to get a stack per crit and 10 stacks max

So like 3-4 seconds but you also need to build 100% crit chance, get a high roll and you don't even benefit from critting

Nah build is not gonna b good

[warped helm]

id love to explore more lavaburst/shield throw stuff but the whole bee/MA thing and even MA just dying to gusts of wind is just... ugh

bout to send a thorn shield corruption see if it hits, walking simulator palette cleanser, havent actually played it yet since it came out

[wooden mountain]

And needing those t7 idol enchants

[warped helm]

yeah f that

if thats really needed then im good on hitbased lavaburst i guess

[peak vessel]

They take soooo long to farm 😂

[warped helm]

o7 all 3lp thornshells died

isnt there something else cool to do with cadence... i like this weapon but seems like its just slightly not good enough to run a slow base like that

[wooden mountain]

on primalist I think solo raptor might use it for clearing because solo raptor has terrible clear but decent single target DPS

otherwise crit hammers is it I think

[frigid zenith]

if you're doing FG version isn't ring of shields enough?

t7 idol enchants is still 💀 tho

but it should be online already with T6

[austere frost]

Forgeweapons cadence works, lava burst shield throw also works with cadence

It got pretty good buffed this league with what 15 flat crit and 15 all stats

[frigid zenith]

what got buffed?

[austere frost]

It was 9 all stat and 9 crit before

[frigid zenith]

ah the primo axe?

[austere frost]

Yeah

[frigid zenith]

🪓

[austere frost]

It just need better raw stats an maybe plus 1 or 2 to skills to be more competitive

[frigid zenith]

yeah some plus skills would be amazing

it just feels bad using a two hander sometimes without any +skills on it

[wooden mountain]

+10 all non-rogue skills pls

[austere frost]

Rogue stuck to daggers forever rofl

[warped helm]

huh, wheres the spell damage coming from with a 2h axe

at that point ur relying on exclusively enchants? no thanks

[austere frost]

Idk they have no time and no personnel to do this mostlikely but they need to take a page of d2 and poe 2 where now uniques can be upgraded to like exceptional versions of themselves

[austere frost]

It solves crit and good increase damage ,you will always depend on t7 enchants ty to fogeguard -26% damage

[warped helm]

i'd rather stack spelldmg weaver idols than rely on those enchants

[austere frost]

Then you will hit like a wet noodle

At that point just go pally

[warped helm]

yeah as pally, but wtf how much do those enchants give

[austere frost]

Like forgeguard version needs them pally doesn't

A lot of flat spell

[warped helm]

also does weaver enchant effect even work, last i heard it wasnt

[austere frost]

15 flat

So you can have what like 5 ,then have the weaver enchantment effect which almost doubles it i think on altars

[austere frost]

Thats another story I heard it doesn't or is the corruption one ,hard to track all the bugs

[warped helm]

lets see if i can hit a crazy plague dragon 👀

🙄 that aint it

[warped helm]

@south ledge 👀

oh my god ignore the other suffixes pls

[south ledge]

Damn nice roll.gz

Bonk time 😄

[waxen nymph]

Bonk bonk bonk
I'm looking for a good time

[wooden mountain]

goated suffixes

[warped helm]

what even happens with gavel and the frenzy mod

im not gonna get 10s frenzy on roll now am i

no idea how im gonna overcap resists for null's but i'll figure it out i guess

[warped helm]

thats funny, my altar is putting me at 117% total multistrike sword chance right now and i think that 17% is the reason im slowly losing the mana race

[alpine canopy]

Reads like you'd get 9.8 seconds of frenzy with that roll

[warped helm]

also my frenzy indeed lasts 10 seconds

yeah or close to that

thats funny

[alpine canopy]

The haste on evade idols act the same way, the haste durations all add together lol

[warped helm]

neat

using my bricked shattered worlds so now im twice the speed demon ive been so far this league, 106 ms in town and 250% melee attackspeed

harsh to call it a brick the roll is good and for once i dont need a +skill exalt affix on my relic so thats nice

how do we go about farming some omnis nowadays, i know you can stop orobyss from giving corruption but you cant stop him resetting your web can you?

[arctic loom]

I got tons of omnis when I took this node

[warped helm]

i'm just debating what to put in my immortal vise's @waxen nymph im at 250% attackspeed with frenzy already, but i dont think some 16 strength can compete either

[austere frost]

Best way imo is to imprint confluence oblivion ,get a timeline to 400 corruption and basically you are going to reset the timeline until confluence procs at the beginning of the timeline,you keep doing this cause confluence doesnt care about distance for loot like normal shade does

[warped helm]

how do you mean reset the timeline without it spawning? lowering corruption again?

[austere frost]

You reset the timeline by killing the guardians spend 10 corruption,then. You check did confluence spawn if not,you do same thing,over and over when confluence spawn you go do it

This is the best most efficient way to get multiple omnis

[warped helm]

ahh gotcha

[austere frost]

You dont do echoes in hope it spawns,it will spawn at beginning of your timeline

Bina made a video about it with a correction from tunk caps at 400 corr

[warped helm]

but higher corruption still better for loot? or not with confluence

[austere frost]

For chance of omnis

[warped helm]

ah okay

[austere frost]

For lp yes,for chance to drop the item no

400 corr max

[warped helm]

i take the +lp odds then and do 800 ish

thx

wearing my throwing damage omnis right now , 0lp oceareon and empty 1lp vise gloves but already happy with the setup

[wooden monolith]

that s what i did to get 2lp chains, but sometimes you have to reset like 20 times, it was annoying so i bought a lot of confluence, when it dosen t proc for free after reset, i just go to the cimetry and imprint it. this is way faster. ha and you need to activate "memories of the observer" in the weaver tree or it dosen t work.

if there is no cimeteries after reset --> reset again

[austere frost]

Yeah if you dont mind spending your amber on that its good too

Would be nice they fix the bug with imprint woven echoes

[wooden monolith]

What bug ?

[austere frost]

Double imprinting same woven doesn't do anything,when it should

[tropic veldt]

anyone who familiar with forged weapon and forged strike here?

Should I focus on minion damage for the Forged weapon and prefer minion node

or just prioritize my own DMG and take the forged weapon as hmm what word to use here.. like supportive damage or additional Damage?

[warped helm]

hm im not sure the resetting thing works this season? ive not mad it spawn once yet

[wooden mountain]

you can do either but you shouldn't try to do both

it's not amazing either way & if you go the forged weapons route I think other skills are better at summoning them than forge strike is but FS is needed for the skill nodes that make them stronger regardless of which skill summons them

[austere frost]

Did you have the node memories of the observer its mandatory to work

I would do forgestrike if anything,unless imprints come back forgeweapons gonna suck hard still

Btw this is how most are farming plenty of omnis so its a 1.4 tech

[warped helm]

ahhh okay no

[buoyant terrace]

Finally! 37sec uberroth. Fingers are tired from N retries :D. Goal's done so I can now focus on a new char 🥳
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4KwjavQXfw

[austere frost]

That's why not working

[tropic veldt]

I'm using Multistrike+Forged Strike right now but is there better skill for consistency summon the minion?

cuz have to juggle between this 2 skill feel a bit clunky

[wooden mountain]

I think if you have 40 attunement for iron blades then vengeance summons them at the highest rate

but idk

you really have to use void cleave to buff the forged weapons which means u need a 2h sword or axe

[warped helm]

wouldve been good to know 😄 dont think that was mentioned yesterday but fixed and spawned one

[austere frost]

Vengeance is best summoner skill for forgeweapons

[austere frost]

I use all the new nodes myself but yeah lazare pointed it out ,this way the imprint procs beside the starting echoes chains at beginning

[tropic veldt]

but what 40+ attunement for? I read the iron blade node but it is not mentioned or it's just for keeping the minion alive?

[warped helm]

yay see another right away, sick

[austere frost]

This is why you need 40 attunment so its 100% iron blade proc which makes forgeweapons spawn a lot faster and more reliably

Go get your max rolled omnis 👍

[waxen nymph]

Also Forged Weapons scale with Att

So it's not wasted

[austere frost]

True ,but I hope it changes some day

Strength should be

[warped helm]

id love to maxroll a 1lp omnis but

amulets are really high chance to hit the alternate attributes right

like 50% or so

[wooden mountain]

just drop a natty max roll omnis 1lp slam it and corrupt +1 all skills ez

[warped helm]

this build.. i was still playing with 10 unallocated points lmao

and i should put some more speed in these gloves even though going from 250 to 280 attackspeed probably gonna feel like nothing

[tropic veldt]

oh how blind I am lol, thanks for you guy advince, I start to gasp a clear path I want to aim for

[full oasis]

is Judgment Aura Paladin considerd to be tanky?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[warped helm]

ok confluence at 1k with extra mods is kinda rough lmfao

some of them literally have tracking attacks that just oneshot already

[wooden monolith]

confluence high corruption is harder than ubber aberoth

i survive most UA attacks, shades one shot you and you need to fight 5 shades ^^

[warped helm]

yeeaah

at 900 ish i can almost stunlock them with pins and needles lmao

they really should just let us put in numbers to reduce corruption

what a weird system

[south ledge]

Same with the woven echo where you have to fight 10 harbingers

Try that at 1k lmao

[wooden monolith]

confluence was easy in 1.3

it got up in 1.4

[warped helm]

nah that thing is still messed up

[wooden monolith]

i was facetanking shades at 1k5 corruptions in 1.3, in 1.4 i went down to 400 corrptions lol

[warped helm]

@south ledge i think we had this topic last season, this is not as good as one might think right? going from 4 to 5 swords is "just" 25% more, but at a 12% less attackspeed penalty right? thats how that worked?

currently skipping it for more phys pen and being actually able to press holy aura

[wooden mountain]

are you doing melee multistrike?

[warped helm]

ye

[wooden mountain]

thought u said u were bored of terrible builds?

[wooden monolith]

multistrike is strong, very strong, but terrible for mapping

[south ledge]

Yep but still a good damage multiplier if you can sustain the mana consumption.

[warped helm]

nah its alright

im moving around with HH and 106% ms 😄

[south ledge]

Main issue of ms builds is surviviablity I think

Dual wield builds have a rough time

And when you play ms you can't use the vengeance Def layers

My paladin was face tanking Uber with dual wield and only 3k Armor due to the conversions

[wooden monolith]

was talking about aoe

[south ledge]

Vengeance is crazy levels of strong imo

[warped helm]

yeaaaaaah worst case i might swap but i feel probably sufficiently strong damage wise with some dodging right now

im at

[south ledge]

Last season I made a VK-MS build, which worked pretty well too

But it lacked damage in the end

[warped helm]

7500 armor + null portent oceareon and shattered worlds 6%, using shieldthrow for shred and more armor

[south ledge]

Mapping on 1k corr was fine tho

[warped helm]

doing mostly fine in 1k corruption omens even

aside from getting stunlocked by single soulfire caster fireballs sometimes <_<

[wooden monolith]

warpath ?

[south ledge]

But I feel like I'm wrapping this season up

Void knight - multi strike

I don't like warpath much

[wooden monolith]

i tried vk multistrike last season and it was not great, had mana issue

[warped helm]

i'm stunlocking 800c confluence shades now, throw damage in my omnis

0lp shattered worlds

and my 2nd ring not being an anguish, idk i probably should but right now i like my double ex rare life ring

oops my oceareon is still 0lp too... i be right back 😂

[south ledge]

I played it with 2 hand and trident, mana was fine

But yeah mana issue has to be solved

[wooden monolith]

i played vk multistrike but physical damages

[south ledge]

Void damage with trident was actuall good

Auto echos + tons of crit multi

[warped helm]

i liked that trident setup and was thinking about it this season, corrupting 1lp's and all that

[wooden monolith]

my build was not great anyway ^^

[south ledge]

I had this trident, which was decent

And yeah with corruptions might really be a good MS build

But neither rampancy nor brutality would be good on it

Don't think you wanna disable one of your largest Def layers, which is vitality on VK

[warped helm]

thats alright, i probably wont be messing around with that amulet at all

😄

cant find a single decent one

[south ledge]

At least you can infinitely loop them

I have 1 char to clear veils and my paladin to bonk the orobyss

Sooner or later you can get a decent one

And the rampancy + brutality conversion is just crazy

[wooden monolith]

u found a great build, send it to maxxroll

[warped helm]

they wouldnt do it justice hah

ok my gloves.. no way i put 16 str instead of 30 attackspeed i guess, even while i have 250 speed already

all i get is more armor and 5% damage per str

oh thats funny, im at 40 attunement without trying because of the relic and mace lol, could easily vengeance swap

[south ledge]

Not really interested in doing that, it would just be another A-tier build and question is if it's even the best MS build

But if felt better to me than the dual wield versions.

[wooden monolith]

was talking about the judgment build

[south ledge]

Ah

[wooden monolith]

it is way better than the judgment paladin

[south ledge]

Yeah it's definitely better than the consecrated ground stacking imo

[wooden monolith]

yeah it is for sure, the consacrate ground stacking is very tanky, but very bad dps

it sucks

[south ledge]

Yeah it's way too slow

[wooden monolith]

phsycal version with swordcatcher + frenzy belt or crown is very strong

[south ledge]

Can imagine, but didn't test.

I'm testing all in online, so that takes time

[wooden monolith]

i tested it in 1.3 (same as you i am farming all the gear), and it was stronger than warpath or erasing strike on UA

ua kill with multistrike paladin : 2', warpath 2'30, erasing strike 3' ^^

in 1.3

now it would be different, because warpath is way stronger in 1.4, and swordcatcher has been nerfed

[warped helm]

basically just went with multistrike because i mechanically like it and thought the clear was pretty okay

but i cant quite tell if the spear/jousting clear with a 2h was significantly better or not

[wooden monolith]

i like the single dps of multistrike (used it for bossing), i don t like mapping with it

[warped helm]

i think its funny, swords poking from all sides

290% on multistrike 😄

you cant see your new echo web before leaving the sanctuary of eterra somehow right

i guess then there wouldnt be a resetting issue

hitbased pure vengeance sounds a lot worse to clear with than ms though, even with iron blades, but maybe im wrong

[wooden monolith]

pure vengeance sucks i think, vengeance nodes are low damages

[wooden mountain]

iron blades can shotgun and judgement can pull enemies 👀

probably still not very good

blade paladin is by far the best damage node in the vengeance tree though so you're much better off with ailments I think

[warped helm]

wait what? shotgun? thats the first time i hear of that

[wooden mountain]

yeah, with 40 attunement you get 1 iron blade per enemy that vengeance (or riposte) hits and they can each hit the same target if they're close enough

[warped helm]

u mean melee + 1 blade, not all blades?

[wooden mountain]

no I mean all blades

[warped helm]

i dont think i noticed that at all on the ignite build

[wooden mountain]

if you had 3 enemies standing in a line and attacked down that line with vengeance you'd get 3 iron blades and each enemy could get hit with 3 iron blades

[warped helm]

oh but actual 1 target thats not possible?

[wooden mountain]

single target you get 1 blade

it does help with clearing a bit though

[warped helm]

yeah ok thats what i thought, yeah the multi target shotgunning is cool i guess

[wooden mountain]

vengeance is a very small attack so it's hard to make full use of

if you use holy aura's flame burst though you can blow up flame burst on multiple enemies every attack

and those flame bursts will also hit everyone in the area

the small area just means it's very rare

[warped helm]

ye, thats kinda what i thought though, actual hitbased singletarget i didnt think vengeance could remotely compete with multistrikes singletarget utility now

not trying to play judgement here

[wooden mountain]

if vengeance had the area of melee healing hands it could be sick tho

[warped helm]

right now i have 60 75 100 90 multipliers on ms plus 20 phys pen + the sword overlap shenanigans

yeah vengeance range is pretty bad but i guess for a reason, gives way too much dr to be a good melee skill

vengeance would be 30, 50, 30, 2nd hit from iron blades and maybe 45% multi on those and the 20% generic more while riposting but that sounds like too many points 😄

27 points, 28 if i wanted a point of shred to swap blessing

i just realised i dont even have any frailty atm

[wooden mountain]

relic slam?

[warped helm]

i just need to corrupt my new idols

[wooden mountain]

they have frailty on idol corruptions now?

[wooden monolith]

You can get 34 points : +6 on helm, +5 on mace, +2 amulette +1 relic

But single target would suck anyway compared to ms

[warped helm]

wouldnt be using the mace

wouldnt be using a t8 either

but yeah overall just a lot worse

.. in trade for tankiness

wow nemesis bricking every omnis, atleast i dropped one clean 1lp, time to reroll it a bit

oh no this guy cant shieldbash abby 🤣 hmm

[warped helm]

neato

[warped helm]

holy shit

i have another one and a copy too 😄 i guess if it lands i corrupt

[wooden mountain]

that lowlife one would have been free overleech before 1.3

[warped helm]

yeah kinda unfortunate

nice, all 115%+ resists, almost 4k life and max crit multi on my omnis now

[wooden monolith]

Ua kill time with this monster ?

[warped helm]

didnt try yet

sure is my best char this season now tho, just did all the lp stuff i threw it together last night

[wooden monolith]

You may have mana issue on single target ?

[warped helm]

not without the +1 sword/less speed node no

[wooden mountain]

yeah time and faith should handle that

[wooden monolith]

Well i wanted to try your build (but i am on warpath right now), i don t need anymore since you try it for me ^^ can you make video of ua kill ? Or you don t make videos ?

[warped helm]

yeah can probably do that once i get there

tried to make some cleanse set belts but they all resulted in a lot less life

im usually fighting UA with kinda supbar builds so idk how good i would be at speed kills but will see

[leaden yoke]

why some people use cooldown slam on the belt? Warpath build
for exp https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ37lDEY

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,323, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 940.07, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 12 Dex / 12 Int / 17 Att / 83 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 58% / 68% / 51% / 93% / 104% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 53%, Threshold: 1,123
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,560)

Used skills:

Warpath / Abyssal Echoes / Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope / Anomaly

[warped helm]

anomaly or devorb uptime i assume

oh i still have a UA up on this guy, lets try i guess

well, killed it first try atleast 😄

[iron basin]

MA's basic melee attack has no inate cleave right? Or if it does, it's incredibly minor

[waxen nymph]

It's probably the same aoe as basic attack or Vengeance

[wooden monolith]

So how is dps ?it is better than your wildfire build ?

[iron basin]

i kinda figured as much. I've never used the robot but people tell me that melee sucks since it has no aoe. Makes me wonder if it's passable with the overkill axe.

[warped helm]

way better

[waxen nymph]

Looks like a nice candidate for that yeah

[warped helm]

wildfire has a certain rng factor with wisps, this doesnt have rng at all which is nice

[waxen nymph]

At the same time, it doesnt have a big hit to propagate overkill dmg

[iron basin]

isn't the hit pretty heavily reliant on the weapon you feed it anyway?

it's a little awkward since the axe wants a lot of strength for extra crit multi but MA scales with Att

you can get a lot of flat phys from your body armor too

[warped helm]

flat on body? other than swords and axes?

[iron basin]

it's a node for the robot

[warped helm]

maces** not axes lol, oh i see

[warped helm]

oh shoot

[iron basin]

you can get about 1000 flat armor on a champion regalia

[warped helm]

wouldve probably enjoyed a bee or forge weapon build but seems like they all fall short (or rather fall over) in higher corruption

[iron basin]

forge weapons are still pretty good

[warped helm]

i was gonna say that sounds interesting with armor corruption too but thats global not local armor

[iron basin]

they're temp minions anyway it's not all that bad if they die off

[warped helm]

whats most commonly used to spawn them all again?

[iron basin]

iirc vengeance is the best due to iron blades

[waxen nymph]

It can be if you take the node that copies your weapon

Problem is MA doesnt have a big ADE iirc

[iron basin]

i think the bigger problem is a lack of multipliers on the skill tree

[waxen nymph]

You get Whirwind Strike at 300% ADE with 4 sec cd

[waxen nymph]

As per usual

[iron basin]

most minions don't have high ADE

hell saber literally has a reduced ADE

this is the only generic multiplier for MA lol

i think melee MA probably needs forged weapon support to go with it, and at that point you're just playing a less focused FW build

[warped helm]

FW's multipliers and utility was all on forgestrike right?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[wooden monolith]

i remember a spell MA build, build was funny, build is 0 button, you don t have to do anything, MA kills everything for you

you run an omen veils, go to the toilets, when you come back, everything is dead ^^

[iron basin]

yeah forge breath actually has a few multipliers for it. More fire damage, More Forgebreath damage, and then the generic more damage i posted

[iron basin]

funny enough if you're doing a dedicated forged weapons build, I'm pretty sure you don't even need all 20 points since so few of the nodes actually affect the weapons themselves

it's a really weird skill

[warped helm]

i noticed, i was like "hey i got some 2 and even 3lp minion rings... wait i dont even need much points"

[wooden monolith]

corrupted UA relic, failed again, corrupted 32 relics so far, this fuxing rng is killing me

no frenzy

i want to make a fast UA kill with rampancy, but i need frenzy !

[iron basin]

time to go again

[wooden monolith]

let s farm 100 more UA

at least i won t have to farm 2lp immortal vise, got 5 2lp one

[warped helm]

@wooden monolith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueA8FcsdSA4 only my 2nd kill on this guy and 2nd kill in a few days so certainly no speedkiller over here

almost threw at the start

[wooden monolith]

thx ! let s see this

[warped helm]

got a few too many bleed stacks now i get to like 250 but if i drop a node i drop bleed duration threshold too and then im probably under again

[wooden monolith]

lol the attack speed is crazy

can you share planner plz ?

[warped helm]

sec

[wooden monolith]

you did not dodge the last attack, it could have killed you ^^

[frigid zenith]

that aspd looks so trippy 😄

[warped helm]

yeah i was like lets see if this works or not 🤣

in the moment didnt know where to go

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkYk7D20

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 3,928, Regen: 127.05/s
▸ Mana: 231.43, Regen: 9.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 93 Str / 25 Dex / 25 Int / 40 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 171% / 125% / 120% / 139% / 117% / 120% / 195%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,609
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (100)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,277)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 3%

Used skills:

Multistrike / Healing Hands / Holy Aura / Symbols of Hope / Shield Throw

[warped helm]

could swap symbol nodes for electrify and some life for damage vs electrified but i'm pretty happy with the damage i gotta say

or just swap a holy aura node to electrify, easier

screw it lets try