🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

Given it gets 80% echo chance

[novel shell]

oh yea, except it's on a different type of idol

prolly ornate idol can roll higher stats

[peak zodiac]

no you can’t, 99% of the time you want to use glyph of order with evo rune (which has a high chance of bricking fp so rock and hard place)

[novel shell]

found out the hard way =))

[peak zodiac]

t8 crafting genuinely took years off my life, so glad i can’t realistically upgrade my exalt anymore so i don’t have to suffer through that till next season

[turbid dome]

yeah thats a nice idol

[novel shell]

@turbid dome oh no, that's what maxroll recommends, not one of my own

[turbid dome]

ah

still a nice idol

[graceful scarab]

how does imprinting work with nemesis items? will they never drop or drop similar with another base?

[turbid dome]

Nemisus item bases can only appear in nemisuses… so id assume it would drop items with similar fp and affixes on bases of the same item type?

If you need to farm a nemisus item base… accept fate and run the nemisus tower 2000 times

[graceful scarab]

i just dropped this

And wanted to try to craft it into a decent weapon for a bleed manifest armor maybe

the issue is that the non exalt mods are garbage

[turbid dome]

If their not t5 you can try chaos glyph

Or embrace gamba with rune of removal

If you slap that into an imprint I’d assume you’d drop more twohanded swords with similar affixes

[graceful scarab]

the base is relevant in this case

[turbid dome]

But not the nemisus twohanded swords because it’s special

[turbid dome]

Yea

Nemisus items kinda suck to farm

At least we have the runes to edit exalted affixes now tho

[graceful scarab]

maybe havoc + redemption is better no?

than removal

[turbid dome]

Hmm

Do bleeds count as melee

Or are they just phys

[graceful scarab]

the source is melee I guess it does

did not work

turned to garbage

[drowsy ingot]

Other than imprint in the weaver tree the tower and buy some other from the vendor, any other way to raise the number of tower in the map? I see people online who create maps with a particular type of echo repeated but can’t understand how they do it

[turbid dome]

If your meaning the lost temple whatever Strat where you build a huge line of weaver maps for big farming, that originally worked because you could gain enough favor from them to keep buying them (I think?)

[drowsy ingot]

No idea

[turbid dome]

I haven’t really touched LE this season from a combo of life and the season mechanic didn’t really grab my attention

@waxen nymph I summon pvt Vlad in help mode to answer this question of what mapping strat is Severus referring to in the previous few messages

[peak zodiac]

in my experience nemesis bases imprinted result in significantly less drops, but this is just anecdotal. my theory is that it has to "fail" the base type roll in order to change the base, which means that bases that succeed that roll just don't drop

[peak zodiac]

you imprint rampant coast woven echo, it shows up constantly, you use the primordial mats to buy amber bags from the vendor, this is the meta strat for memory amber this season

[turbid dome]

That would check out with my experience, tho I assumed I was just unlucky

[iron basin]

the one I remember was surrounding that one woven echo that spreads packs of weaver enemies to nearby nodes with lost temples. it creates a really high density of mobs in the temple and the shrines help you clear it super fast

so basically you'd chain echoes out far enough that the weaver node would hit the maximum number of nearby nodes and you surround it. then since you're already far out on the timeline, you can keep chaining them together. it's self-sustaining still iirc

[vernal epoch]

Aura-ment paladin is beyond broken omg

[austere frost]

Just do what daimonos pointed out that is best strat and the only imprint echoes you should use

The false temple and folly strat is crap nowdays ,you run your maps do beast and such you imprint rampant coast its bugged procs like crazy intentional idk but needs to be abused ,then you buy amber bags and you start spending then on whatever you need either conquered towers or troves,troves is better and has pretty much guarantee nemesis every map ,then you need to set up folly around it each folly should affect like 4-5 troves making the cost of troves almost refund it itself not quite but it helps if you got a buddy for troves or more you basically have unlimited troves.

[drowsy ingot]

Ok, even if rampant coast actually is the only fight where i can die

[wooden monolith]

link ?

[vernal epoch]

Working in it hold on

[wooden monolith]

trying to make one with primordial staff

[iron basin]

that was very difficult to follow but it might just be my dyslexia making things hard to read

[turbid dome]

darn

[iron basin]

1. imprint rampant coast
2. farm bones there
3. spend on amber bags
4. use amber for whatever woven echoes you want

is that what I'm getting?

[drowsy ingot]

I’m following with interest

[austere frost]

I am a Cuban my English grammar will never be perfect same as my French will miss punctuation for sure

[iron basin]

yeah I figured it was an ESL thing, but even with first language speakers I have difficulty with big run-on sentences. there's a guy in my WoW guild that refuses to use any kind of punctuation and it drives me nuts

[austere frost]

Yeah whenever you see edit from me is trying to put punctuation 🤣

[iron basin]

ironically he also has dyslexia which is why his typing is so poor. he never learned how to use punctuation properly

[austere frost]

Or my keyboard goes crazy and put Spanish English and French same sentence

[iron basin]

I've been learning French and always have my keyboard in international English mode

[austere frost]

That's how I got my girlfriend I got her by saying open the boite por favor

[iron basin]

so I get a lot of random accents thrown into my stuff lol

[austere frost]

Haha

Yo for anyone here ehg looking for feedback, give your 2 cents when you have time I gave mine in terms of deterministic crafting and bugs.

[iron basin]

i typed up a comment on my phone when the post was like 10 minutes old and it's currently buried at the bottom because I spent so long on it

[austere frost]

I saw it on reddit yours 🔥

[vernal epoch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PPKxMn

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 82

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Paladin (74)

General:

▸ Health: 1,643, Regen: 87.98/s
▸ Mana: 323.04, Regen: 16.34/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 20/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 20 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 146% / 114% / 84% / 82% / 166% / 101% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 676
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (271)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (4,738)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 18% (150)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 22%

Used skills:

Judgement / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura / Shield Rush

[wooden monolith]

so what did she find in the boite ?

[austere frost]

My humor 😅

Living in Quebec

[wooden monolith]

isn t it too cold for a cuban ?

[iron basin]

From experience Colorado is too cold for a Floridian. I can't imagine the transition to Quebec

[wooden monolith]

yeah, like an eskimo living in sahara

[iron basin]

Since skele mages are getting Hungering Souls finally, should we petition for Forged Weapons or The Robot to get Rive

[peak zodiac]

give manifest armor smelters wrath

the problem with giving forged weapons basically any of the sentinel melee skills that aren't locked to pala or vk is they all have a way to summon forged weapons, which could probably cause problems lmao

[turbid dome]

add to those nodes: forged weapons cant summon forged weapons

its heavy handed but I think good in this idea

[peak zodiac]

kinda a lame solution imo that creates a lot of dead nodes

there would already be a lot of dead nodes from fws using rive/vengeance/etc

[turbid dome]

true

what ever gives the forged weapon the skill could have the forged weapons cant summon forged weapons, then the node behind it could let them summon mini forged weapons

[peak zodiac]

maybe, kinda hard to allow fws to summon stuff without introducing potential server/performance problems i would imagine

all the melee skills on sentinel have weird edge stuff even outside of that which i'm not sure how you'd make it work on fws, all the skills they've let minions have so far have much simpler trees tbh

i do like it in concept though, but we also all know that forge guard is the black sheep of LE

[turbid dome]

if whatever acolyte is up to with minion armies I think forge guard having 20 dudes will be okay

[turbid dome]

fair point

[turbid dome]

😭

[peak zodiac]

the first thing that came to mind was detonating fws and stacking a billion attack speed and then having a lag inducing amount of fw explosions per second

[turbid dome]

hmm

[peak zodiac]

basically totem pop but with fws, which got nuked for that exact reason lol

[turbid dome]

forged weapons can summon mini forged weapons and forged weapons cant summon anything

I guess

call the node apprentice smiths

[peak zodiac]

but can mini fws explode?

idk i'm not an LE dev but you'd probably have to say no

[turbid dome]

I'd imagine mini forged weapons would get yes or no for each forged weapon thing

[peak zodiac]

12 forged weapons summoning 12 mini forged weapons exploding, you give them t7 wing guards with melee attack speed + double phantom grip + whetstone gavel + crystal sword t7 ias = servers being brought to their knees

[turbid dome]

it would be cool if they could explode

[iron basin]

That's a very good point. I honestly forgot about Rive having FW nodes since it so frequently converts it to armor

Smelter's Wrath is an interesting idea but watching my robot channel and then miss its cone already feels bad

[graceful scarab]

hmm this dropped, Unsureif it can be used for something

[iron basin]

Makes me want to play bleed Forge Strike

It won't be good, but that's where I'm drawn

[austere frost]

Yes Canada as a whole when I first arrived here it was end November so its was getting cold then I got to know what real cold is cause for a Cuban 18 Celsius its already cold🤣

12 years after still sucks but I handle better than some

[drowsy ingot]

For rive vk, symbols of hope or void cleave?

[turbid dome]

what level/gear range are you in

are you using erasing strike

do you have a different mobility skill you'd like to use

Whats your void shred source

[drowsy ingot]

Early leveling, not using erasing strike, actually using lunge to go faster, haven’t shred source yet

Don’t like much healing hands for mobilty, slow cooldown

[turbid dome]

ah for leveling with void cleave I'd recommend erasing strike too cause you can do this

so you void cleave -> erasing strike for a gauranteed crit on ES

if you want void cleave to be mobility you can then grab gravity's edge later then the shred node on void cleave as you enter monos (probably)

(theres a lot of other ways to build it if you want to keep lunge or using reversal for mobility)

[drowsy ingot]

I was looking at this: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/swordcatcher-rive-void-knight

[crude matrix]

Swordcatcher Rive Void Knight Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class

Sentinel / Void Knight

Used skills

• Rive
• Void Cleave
• Abyssal Echoes
• Devouring Orb
• Anomaly

Used unique items

• Sword Catcher
• Titan Heart
• Shattered Worlds
• Immortal Vise
• Darkstride
• Shattered Chains
• Siphon of Anguish
• Oceareon
• Nihilis
• Seed of Ekkidrasil

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Melee

Created by udgard · Jun 6, 2025, 8:38 AM

[drowsy ingot]

But is still viable in the current season?

[austere frost]

Both

[turbid dome]

at a glance nothing seems wrong/changed with that build from updates

actually why are they grabbing flamedrinker with rive fully void

am I forgetting a tech there or something

oop nvm cant read

[austere frost]

I rather use symbols over abyssal echoes

[drowsy ingot]

Maybe you have some screenshots to help me remember where to spend skill, passive and which gear assemble? ❤️

[austere frost]

Boots are wrong army of skin is better

[turbid dome]

yeah

even if your keeping void cleave to trigger echos, army of skin is just so much damage

the build is also from pre-army of skin's addition to the game

[austere frost]

Please do not get this

Also use this

[turbid dome]

honestly kinda hope army of skin gets a rebalance so its not the one size fits most boots

[austere frost]

Also they dont have primordial its worth using a leonine with t8 affix something like anomaly or vitality,although you may want seed if you are having trouble with uber tanking

This pointless void cleave adn symbols cap crit really easy

Either max this

Or put points to get to this probably better

[drowsy ingot]

Ok so first step: skills are void cleave, symbols, devouring orb and anomaly

I’ll store your suggestions, thanks

[austere frost]

The blessings are weird like instead of ignite chance and stun chance I would get flat mana value and crit multi

[junior wolf]

hey all im trying to kill Uber Abby first time with VK. Which wep is better for that?

[junior wolf]

here's a planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXXmZwP

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 99

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (66) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,980, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,292.67, Regen: 16.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 59 Str / 17 Dex / 17 Int / 25 Att / 44 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 78% / 183% / 73% / 105% / 102% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 1,323
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (5,107)

Used skills:

Warpath / Devouring Orb / Anomaly / Symbols of Hope / Abyssal Echoes

[austere frost]

World splitter is way better than clotho

[junior wolf]

I'm clearing 800-950 corruption

clotho seems to have a bit more damage

[austere frost]

Because you are comparing 1 lp items vs 2 lp

Get 2 lp on your axe you will see which is better

[junior wolf]

i have a 2lp axe 😄 but haven't slammed it yet bc I don't have 2t7 exatl 😄

[austere frost]

The pain

[junior wolf]

and I only have 1x 2LP axe 😄

[austere frost]

You will get more 2 lp splitter,its the exalts the pain to farm

[junior wolf]

yes 😄

so for now, for trying, which wep is stronger as they are?

[austere frost]

Melee crit flat and increase attack speed for splitter for clotho you dont want melee crit

[junior wolf]

you're not answering my question 😄 I have these 2 items now. Which one is better for uber kill attempt?

as they are

no more LP or different affixes

[drowsy ingot]

TOTALLY AGREE

[austere frost]

Why dont you try them both and see for yourself I cant tell you how to play your build

[drowsy ingot]

I’ll search again for your wisdom, don’t worry 😂

[austere frost]

Like putting and echo or seing which one kills it faster doesn't take long

[junior wolf]

well, I've already tried and can't really decide. Clotho is definitely more DPS, but it has worse sustain, so maybe in the long run it's not more DPS

[austere frost]

Pick the one you rather use in the long run I don't want to use old tech I would prefer bigger mana pool and when you get 2 lp splitter rolling its when I would focus on Uber

[drowsy ingot]

For a smooth leveling better to passive paladin until symbols or start with vk to grab void cl and devouring orb?

[austere frost]

Go vk straight up you do a lot of damage and are tanky enough vk rive devouring orb anomaly,pick sigil whenever you can

[warped plume]

Even at max ramp?

[austere frost]

Well t7 melee attack speed is huge for warpath so I can see it but 900 mana means very few procs of voidwell

[iron basin]

Changing the attack speed to only work on Flay is a little heavy handed, but it would probably do the job. It's specifically a Flay item anyway so it doesn't seem like a bad idea

[turbid dome]

or change it to a different flay specific stat

[iron basin]

Tru

[wooden monolith]

still fine imo, exept i would add a primordial item. my rive VD : https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJWWD0ME

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,148, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 34%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 74 Str / 17 Dex / 17 Int / 22 Att / 100 Vit
▸ Resistances: 113% / 85% / 90% / 74% / 102% / 154% / 154%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 1,324
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (79)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,043)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Anomaly / Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope / Healing Hands / Rive

[wooden monolith]

butcher s crown very good with swordcatcher

[wooden monolith]

i realize blessing is not good, 70 crit avoidiance instead of 20 all resist ^^

[exotic gull]

How does multistrike smite compare between paladin and void knight?

Seems like the void knight one is tankier because of vit stacking?

And possibly more damage?

[alpine canopy]

In general, VK is more damage and pally is tankier, but there's lots of ways to build it, not sure how it really shakes out if you're looking for hyper-optimized end game setup though

[austere frost]

Vk version is a lot stronger

[peak zodiac]

no reason to pay pala anymore for multistrike or selfcast, vk is tankier and more dmg

[austere frost]

Spells have an inherent problem that spell damage flat is very hard to get hight enough,but vk fixes this with vitality scaling flat ,thus making smite vk like miles ahead of any pally version

Mages now have vilatria set Entwined tech for flat

[drowsy ingot]

Is it possible to use butcher crown without healing hands?

[austere frost]

Here is why void cleave makes most sense for me instead of healing hands ,you cap crit ty to crit vulnerability ,so can skip crit nodes on rive thus getting more damage on the tree, plus void cleave is an amazing movement skill, healing hands for me its not a great movement skill

[wooden monolith]

yeah, you can use whatever you want. il use it because i like the invulnerability

[drowsy ingot]

Butcher crown stress me too much with the health loss 😂

[wooden monolith]

you need to get the 6% or 7 and it sfine

you have a lot of life leach, as long as you kill mobs, you re good

[drowsy ingot]

In your build Is on the ring and?

[wooden monolith]

the health loss can t kill you on its own

[wooden monolith]

sorry, my english not very good, did not understand

[drowsy ingot]

A lot, but where is it? Just syphon of anguish?

[wooden monolith]

• time and faith

[wooden monolith]

ho and life leech on immortal vise too

[austere frost]

Time and faith doesn't require a target remember that to get you back to full

[drowsy ingot]

Do you use the butcher’s crown too?

[wooden monolith]

what s your char Jellal ? link ?

[austere frost]

In uber fight butcher crown may screwed you sometimes so a well rolled Lionel helmet or seed is strong options as well ,you have choices whenever you get there pick whatever you want

Butcher is a lot more dps while seed is the most defensive one Lionel is in between

[turbid dome]

<@&1161418687471956101>

There’s a spam scam bot

[drowsy ingot]

Without lionel how you survive crit?

[wooden monolith]

Crit avoidiance blessing + 8 crit avoidiance idols

[austere frost]

That's why Lionel is an option. You can get a t7 reduced crit somewhere in your gear if you need .

[uneven gorge]

The almighty 3 points into blinding light for the blind:

[austere frost]

This works too

[drowsy ingot]

3 points seems + 21% blind chance. Why just 3 points?

[waxen nymph]

Cause blind is limited to 1 stack

And you have a lot of hits

So you don't need more than that

[drowsy ingot]

Plenty of options, thanks all. Probably don’t like avoidance blessing, because +20% to all res is very good. But if @austere frost , who farm 2000 cor, says he doesn’t care that much about crits, who am I to care? 😂

[iron basin]

worth noting that blind is less consistent since a ranged attack can potentially pop you from a distance

[drowsy ingot]

Yep, which seems very dangerous with high cor

[grim pecan]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVaaYqz0
could anyone give me some insight on how to improve this wp vk?

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,378, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 682.92, Regen: 11.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 14 Dex / 10 Int / 17 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 51% / 75% / 72% / 83% / 95% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 81%, Threshold: 656
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (138)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,662)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 57%

Used skills:

Warpath / Devouring Orb / Abyssal Echoes / Anomaly / Void Cleave

[grim pecan]

aside idols i know i have to work on them

[peak zodiac]

army of skin boots over darkstride, nihilis over evolution's end, leonine greathelm, and missing slams on chest, belt, rings, gloves, weapon. also missing correct blessings and a source of armor shred.

and drop void cleave for symbols of hope, you'll lose a lot of dps by resetting ramp with void cleave

[wooden monolith]

t7 +4warpath on chest, 1lp belt, 2lp rinngs is easy to get

T7 flat crit on weapon

[grim pecan]

thanks for the advice guys!

also hows the 1lp belt easy to get? or you meant the rings only? got a couple of lp2

[turbid dome]

its not horrible getting a 1lp chains

just keep pushing corruption and killing shade

confluence of oblivion helps too

[grim pecan]

will get started then, thank you
also any advice to just make the character faster?
or its mandatory nihilis for haste?

[turbid dome]

for warpath? not really beyond just hard spamming your movement skill more

Haste is good

more movement speed helps

[grim pecan]

okay thank you!

and 1 more thing, im still pretty new is there any way to farm the desired uniques? or just hope i get it from the unique item type of the mono?

[turbid dome]

boss drop uniques

• farm that boss, a good number have a woven echo that makes it easier to spam fight it

Global drop

• global drop uniques, go to the mono that has the <item type> unique/set echos

you can check all that stuff on last epoch tools

each unique will have the lil block under its item tab that says how to get it

[grim pecan]

thanks!

[turbid dome]

*if the boss has a woven echo its put into the drop info like in the pic I sent

[grim pecan]

perfect

[wooden monolith]

nemesis your belt, maybe you ll get 1 lp. to make your char faster, apathy's maw (2H axe) with flat void melee damages + darkstride boots. that s how you speed farm

[grim pecan]

thanks for the info!

[wooden monolith]

if you re cof, you can buy prophecies to get uniques. once you have one, you can imprint it to get more

not working for uniques dropped from bosses

i mean harbringers or aberoth

or shade of orobys

[grim pecan]

just thought of the imprint but still thank you! imprinted the unique on all slots available since i got a +4 +135% dmg armor to slam

[wooden monolith]

maxroll has a good warpath guide

[graceful scarab]

first triple t7

[austere frost]

Drop this

Get this

[austere frost]

1 lp worlssplitter melee crit t7 ,then when you get 2 lp worldsplitter melee crit t7 and attack speed t7 desired affixes

[drowsy ingot]

For rive skill tree, have I to go toward Crit vulnerability (Rift Maker)?

[grim pecan]

thank you

[wooden monolith]

is diablo 4 good ?

[drowsy ingot]

Stopped at season 2. At that time was not that good, for me.

[wooden monolith]

i am almost done with last epoch (until next patch), need another arpg ^^

[drowsy ingot]

If you don’t need fancy graphic, grim dawn is very good

[wooden monolith]

i don t care of graphics, will see

i play with controler (love it), is grim dawn using controler ?

[drowsy ingot]

No idea

[drowsy ingot]

Rive vk is so smooth and fast, even if Im low level seems to fly through maps like a breeze

[austere frost]

Yes for void cleave its gonna make you cap crit very easily

So rive crits 100% time and can go more damage in tree

Rive scales very well you should handle and breeze 1.5k corr with no problem at 2k and above its slows down a bit but not that much

[iron basin]

Oh great void wizard@turbid dome, should I season start Ravaging Aura

[turbid dome]

have they added a new way to scale it so it can do enough damage to kill a regular mob in monos

[iron basin]

no

[turbid dome]

then no

[iron basin]

damn

is it still trash even with the sceptre?

[turbid dome]

60% pen doesnt save it

cause rav aura is a dot

and you can't stack it up like ignite

also the sceptre makes void cleave not a movement skill so thats an L

if it gets other scaling vectors then I can see it working

[iron basin]

can you not have multiple auras going like Fire Aura?

[austere frost]

Void cleave is a hit build ,most of its modifiers are hit modifiers no dot ,so in theory ravaging aura should get the general more modifiers void cleave gets but thats likr 2 in that big tree

Meanwhile you have erasing strike that can do dot and hit well

[turbid dome]

additional create rav aura thingy adds time to your current one

[iron basin]

ah that sucks

[turbid dome]

each void cleave adds 3 seconds (with 3 points invested in that node)

the best use I've had for rav aura was/is to enable overleech

[clever hazel]

didn't 1.3 remove overleech outside of lich?

Fixed an issue where if your health leech brought you to full health the leech stacks would fail to fall off immediately if you had a continuous drain effect that causes you to lose health before your next frame.

[peak zodiac]

correct

[turbid dome]

ye

[austere frost]

I wouldn't use that node of ravaging aura your survivability doesn't go up

A couple people have used it and they dying more

[clever hazel]

ravaging aura on LEtools shows: 5% of Current Health Drained per Second

which would have enabled overleech before 1.3, but is just bad now lol

[alpine canopy]

Hey now, they added the sceptre, it worked fine in low corruption when I tried it in 1.1

I do wish the sceptre didn't disable its movement, it would be SO slick if we could do traversal VC with rav aura

[turbid dome]

that was like my overall point

[alpine canopy]

It plays very different from VC, rav aura was essentially a funky warpath build

[turbid dome]

it lacks a scaling vector like time rot got

[alpine canopy]

and should be better now with primordials and the vengeance rework

it's not a starter build though considering you need that sceptre to make it even baseline functional

[clever hazel]

even without scaling I could see it being used in some builds since aberroth's command is a pretty solid DoT weapon, disabling void cleave movement really hurts though

[turbid dome]

yea

[alpine canopy]

yeah, abyssal echoes is your single target, which does benefit from most of the sceptre's stuff

[turbid dome]

it can be an addition to something else in a build but it can't really be the main focus

[alpine canopy]

unless something crazy happens, there's a decent chance I might run rav aura again next season, just to see how it goes lol

[turbid dome]

fair

[drowsy ingot]

The node to autocast abyssal echoes is one to pick in the first 20 points? (Resonating cleave)

[austere frost]

That node is pointless cause we are not using abyssal echoes if we were then yeah it would be a must

[drowsy ingot]

Ahhh ok, so it casts abyssal with all of its specialization, if you had specialized it

[austere frost]

Yes

[drowsy ingot]

So it’s all about cd reduction, crit, increase range, damage and the extra charge

[austere frost]

Void cleave its going to fix crit for you while adding clear very good movement skill and it will it hard as well one shot packs

[drowsy ingot]

For Rive I started maxing forged weapons path, then I went towards void conversion and triple threat. After that I pick the branch for ignite + extra damage to ignite enemies?

[austere frost]

Yeah and the void penetration you get from said ignite stacks,the latter points are the ones that make second attack hit very hard

[drowsy ingot]

Probably would have been better to prioritize that branch over triple treat, but reskill during campaign is pain, I’ll stick with that

[austere frost]

No worries you want to get there later on as well

[drowsy ingot]

I imagine, actually is not a problem, things explode just walking around with orbs 😅

[wooden monolith]

campain is easy

[clever hazel]

too easy tbh, I wish there was an option for a harder / more rewarding campaign

[wooden monolith]

yep

i remember my first difficulty was julra, couldn t kill T4 julra, had to get better stuff ^^

[gusty abyss]

I remember asking myself "Can I even do T4 Julra?", now its this: https://imgur.com/t0BcCfL

power creep is real (:

[wooden monolith]

lol

i had to see on internet how to kill julra, i discoverd i had to press D...

next hard fight was aberoth then Ubber aby, i died 50 times (one shot) : i can t kill this thing, good bye last epoch. then i discovered the 2T7 slam

[drowsy ingot]

From my noob perspective: the hunt for exalted suited for slams is a bit annoying , especially because the imprinting system of the weaver tree is NOT user friendly at all

I’m particularly stupid, no doubt. But something a bit more clear would be very appreciated

Plus: Im doing empowered by 20 days (I know, it’s not much respect any of you), and my corruption isn’t particularly high (800): never see a double T7 of any kind. I presume it’s absolutely fine, but if a season is just a few months, is it not a bit too grindy?

Im not speaking of a double T7 suited for a slam. Just a double T7 😅

[waxen nymph]

I haven't reached 800 this season 😅

[drowsy ingot]

I cheat with a judgement paladin which basically can’t die except for stupid rift beast from ravenous coast (lol) and I presume Uber Aberroth which I never attempt

[clever hazel]

the weaver tree imprinting system is definitely complicated, and getting double t7s takes time.. luckily most of the research and guesswork is already done, and you can benefit from what other people have found 🙂

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BevLkVP3qn0JB2by7bpon_VZUQyjt1dJNlTfcGJ0xHI/

[drowsy ingot]

If I understood something is only thanks to that guide

Blessed be who works on it.

[waxen nymph]

CaptainNoobzor 🐐

[drowsy ingot]

Im still at step 1: find a base for the imprint 😅😂😂

[drowsy ingot]

Forever Celebrated ❤️

To be honest I decided to be fine also with a T7-T6 sword. No way 😂. For now I managed to slam a couple of rings, even if not double T7

Then I started the vk (from the beginning) and don’t think I’ll go back to the paladin

[waxen nymph]

I personally stop at 1t7

Can't be bothered to go further

Can't wait for corruption though

Slam 1lp> corrupt > prayge

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, 1 T7 is a nice point to hit. Maybe I'll aim for T7+T5 on some of the more common and lower LPL uniques. T7+corrupt might be where I'll aim too, starting next season

[true raptor]

What's unclear about imprinting?

You put something in and you get similar items out, that's really all you need to know

Anything extra is just delving into min maxing which is out of "noob" territory anyway

800c isn't bad at all either by any means and at the end of the day the goal is to have fun. If you're having fun doing what you're doing then I really wouldn't worry that someone else is farming 3k corruption or whatever.

[drowsy ingot]

You have to know a lot more than that. For example that affix aren’t important, just the tier and their position

[wooden monolith]

if you use the loot filter, do you have a rule to see 2T7 ? the best way to get 2T7 is nemesis. troves loot some 2t7 too.

[true raptor]

To min max the system yes

But when you start getting into min maxing I wouldn't really consider anyone a noob at that point

[wooden monolith]

noobzor gets a full 2T7 char in 3 days (from lv1 at the begining of a season), in about 32 hours he says.

then he one shot Ubber aberoth lol

[waxen nymph]

I am pretty surprised by the amount of t7+t6 I am getting naturally

[drowsy ingot]

Yep, t7 and t6 drop is good, im doing with them

[sinful widget]

i play judgement a lot and yeah basically only rift beasts are any threat

[true raptor]

Pretty sure Uberoth is no threat if you have gear

[wise sonnet]

hey, playing warpath void knight and while the damage is great i still struggle with survivability. Still missing anchor of oblivion. Is that the only thing that i need to get tankiness on a higher level? (following maxroll guide for void knight warpath)

[austere frost]

I dont pick anything below 2t7 and now i dont even pick 2t7 o.n some slots cause max tabs have been reached so 3t7 and 4t7

[austere frost]

Game as a whole is very grindy cause it has too much rng on every thing to fix this we the players have been doing legacy troves and gear farming for example I have all armor for every class at 4t7 and most other stuff at 3t7,if you are cof online and not ssf and need a hand on the weekend can help you out with some imprint gear that being said it may take like 4-5 hours for one obsidian resonance for gear sharing

[austere frost]

Yeah but its a 9 min fight since nerfs

[wooden monolith]

must be hard to craft a 3t7 ?

to get 3 stats you want from 3 random

[austere frost]

Some people stated that 2t7 is all you need and in some gear slots sure that's the only thing you can realistically get but if the item is doable at 3l pr 4 lp try slamming 3t7 at least its so huge compared to 2t7 cause damage may seem the same but because you are tankier now that also becomes damage

[austere frost]

Actually no its a cakewalk

[wooden monolith]

realy ?

[austere frost]

You get so many 3t7 with 4t7 imprint that you will get some ready with perfect mods or thay only need havoc to fix

People think its best 2t7 imprint and sure craft is easier but depending on the imprint 3t7 is flat out better you just need like 1 affix at t1 and t2 for sealing and you are good to go

At first you may think is way harder and that but trust me you have the tools to make insane exalts rather easy , will it the slam bs hit rng thats another story , once you join the 4t7 gang whole world opens up group play its op and how game should be played sadly

Started 3 weeks ago doing that

[wooden monolith]

ok, well i like to test builds, not to get the best 4T7 stuff

i test a build, try to kill UA ( most of the time i don t) with it, then make another build hehe

[austere frost]

Yeah we love collecting to fix rng in this game so thats the motto missing only two handed axe and it may be fixed this week that

[wooden monolith]

link of your char ? need to see ur stuff

[formal thicket]

Do you just farm nemesis for the 4t7 or is there some othet trick to get the first one for imprints?

[wooden monolith]

i guess he tradesq with other player

[austere frost]

You need troves only way to get 4t7

[austere frost]

Nemesis conquered tower will get you 3t7

Now play at over 2k corr to improve odds

I had a 3t7 helmet that became 4t7 by doing troves

[formal thicket]

So nemesis -> 3t7 -> imprint it -> high corruption troves to upgrade it to 4t7 -> imprint, is that right?

[austere frost]

Yes

[formal thicket]

Cheers 👍 Been itching for a grind

[austere frost]

The corruption is mostly for nemesis conquered tower not troves,imprint troves need like 1.2 k corruption at least for max effect or something like that but at 2k corruption we get a ton of 3 4l uniques doing them too so its win win

[formal thicket]

Oh, got it

[austere frost]

Don't forget lootlizard tech its op

[formal thicket]

Idk that tech, do you just spec to lizard nodes in weaver tree?

[austere frost]

Once you get your first 4t7 then wr make copies by imprint more then we start cheating the game by forcing certain affixes in those that other classes share thus making our 4t7 Sentinel armor and helmet become rogue per example which is what happened i got body armour like that

[wooden monolith]

problem is to get 3lp uniques. i played hundred hours and got only 2 3lp titan heart (and failed slams). even if i had unlimited 3T7 items to slam, i do not have the uniques ^^

[austere frost]

Example

Yep unique are a bottleneck,sometimes is the exalt but right now its the uniques

[true raptor]

Oh yeah, you don't play Judgement to play fast that's for sure

But it is incredibly safe

Only really recommend it for HC or if you really enjoy the playstyle of being plain unkillable XD

[austere frost]

2t7 crafts are ez,3 t7 craft if you miss 7 times the slam its a pain

[wooden monolith]

my record is 10 times

10 missed slams

i tried to kill UA with judgment pala, after a few fails, i gave up lol, it takes to much time

[sinful widget]

rift beasts the bane of my HC/deathless runs QQ

[austere frost]

I wouldn't even play pally in hc ty to rampant coast beast rather go a huge ward character

[sinful widget]

technically judgement is huge ward but those randomly evolved ones sometimes spam a bunch of abilities right as you engage them, didn't have time to ramp up the ward

[drowsy ingot]

It’s very kind of you

[neat folio]

I'm sorry this isn't relevant and I'm sorry for the ping but that shot of Maelle lmfao

[drowsy ingot]

What’s the lootlizard tech?

[wooden monolith]

what about siege golems ? they kill me more than rift beasts.

[drowsy ingot]

The shot from offscreen is annoying 😂

“Oh, what’s this drBLAAAAAM”

“Severius has been killed by siege golem. 4800 damage, overkill damage 1200”

[sinful widget]

I don’t have trouble with sieges but could see how they can be annoying

[true raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/parry-it-parry-it-alicia-e33-gif-5018089436067363878

[austere frost]

You take every single node makes lizard spawn and make them drop uniques and exalts its extremely bonkers

[alpine canopy]

The real benefit is maximizing your lizard tail drop rate

[split canyon]

what level should i change my loot filter to the build i desire? im level 55 atm

[drowsy ingot]

Do you mean “I’ve a filter imported from X (maxroll or whatever), when should I start using it? Or creating one from scratch?

[true raptor]

If you imported a build from MaxRoll pretty sure I recall them recommending level 70

But if it is your own filter there is nothing stopping you from making changes now

[drowsy ingot]

For maxroll filter there’s no a real lvl requirement . Every filter has some level of strictness that you can set before the copy-paste (usually five level, from regular which you can use also during leveling the campaign until very strict for min maxing)

If you use one of this, and you already completed the campaign, you can download a strict version (which is not particularly strict) and custom it a little bit (especially if you are farming for a build using another one that can be further improved)

[loud quest]

Better to learn your own loot filtering than download them. I've seen people download loot filters that are version mismatched from the game and wonder why their Hands of Judgement never ever show.

[sinful widget]

Man this reflect build is some funny shit

[sinful widget]

There is a bug with HoJ though even in current version

Oh wow I think you’re right actually

So the unique list points to different item IDs between a brand new filter and one you import. That is some weird coding

[loud quest]

Every new loot filter I have created on 1.3 has the proper attribute tags in the XML. I downloaded the loot filter my buddy was using and noticed the attribute tags in the XML for hand of justice were not entirely applicable, hence the reason that item was not appearing..

[sinful widget]

Yeah I just tested it

Item ID shouldn’t be something the player can mess up though, seems like a programming issue

Monument of Protection has a similar issue

[loud quest]

Good to know.iirc hand of justice is ID 287 I think. Maybe 283 or 183. 187 on an undercover cop, though

[sinful widget]

Makes importing your template from previous season risky, yikes

[loud quest]

You can always log into legacy and test your old equipment if you have it

[sinful widget]

Think I’ll stick to current approach and use unique list to hide everything I don’t want instead of the other way around

This way I won’t risk missing something I want that had an ID change

[loud quest]

I have been doing that too. With 70 plus rules, there is resource overhead processing them. If you rule out from the top down, it's significantly faster

[sinful widget]

Still feel like that’s not something that should be up to the player though, these lists should always point to current database table

[loud quest]

The filter is just an XML file. It's kind of hard to idiot proof something that idiots can manually change or download

[iron basin]

someone's gonna drop one some day and people will go nuts

[lunar herald]

ok wait is multistrike the perfect devotion setup? i never played with devotion and dont want to because i HATE the mana management but multistrike automates that and i dont have to use a wand and loose a ton of apss still get 250 flat dmg 192% increased attack speed block and some solid defense

[austere frost]

Learn how to make your own lootfilter doesn't take long and its very important

[lunar herald]

or just make setup youre build in the maxroll planner and click create lootfilter

[wooden monolith]

loot filter is bugged. i do my own loot filter and i can t see a few items, most of them are primordial. don t know why but it s bugged

[turbid dome]

which primordials are being hidden?

[alpine canopy]

The only conditions that are bugged afaik are the specific unique (including unique stat rolls) and the LP one

and not every unique is bugged, only a few

[wooden monolith]

i can t see oceareon, spirit xylem and butcher s crown

i need to press x everytime i kill a beast (to see crown or xylem)

[austere frost]

Its not bugged you have a problem with a rule set up i see all primordial s you just need to make rule to not miss them

[wooden monolith]

i did

[austere frost]

I also couldn't see stuff but when you set it up items show up normally

[wooden monolith]

i have a rule with all the unique i want to show, then a rule to hide everything.

i can see all the uniques i selected exept crown and xylem

[austere frost]

Just make one to show said uniques specifically

[wooden monolith]

that what i did

it work once

[austere frost]

Then you shouldn't miss cause I don't

Unless it bugs for some people and others don't

[wooden monolith]

i see the item once, then it disapears again

i destroyed the list and made a new one, and got news bugs

now i see items i don t want to see

i see all the weaver s gift items

[turbid dome]

[drowsy ingot]

It happens to me once and the reason was that I created a wrong rule. Once removed, everything worked normally again

@austere frost how do u fix endurance with your rive vk?

[austere frost]

You get some endurance with pally passives ,to fully cap you are going to need endurance on some sort of gear like helmet if leonine,can also get endurance blessing if you have enough armor

[drowsy ingot]

I haven’t shattered worlds so I can go for anchor

[waxen nymph]

I feel like before uber relic you could run anchor, no?

[austere frost]

Well anchor or the primordial relic that boost idols

[drowsy ingot]

Crit multiplier for the slam?

[austere frost]

Yeah

Alternatively void cleave t7 would be my second slam if possible

[drowsy ingot]

If I ll drop a 2lp I’ll try

[austere frost]

Its 150% increase damage thats why if someone asks

[drowsy ingot]

Is it not better that crit multiplayer?

[austere frost]

No because crit multi the build doesn't have that much

So we need crit multi in every slot we can get even idols for me i think best

Is 45% crit multi idol for rive and 90% melee void

[drowsy ingot]

Ok, and on the weapon which one has priority?

[austere frost]

Flat melee void and increased void damage are king

[drowsy ingot]

Ok, let’s check if I did my homework: helm: vitality; amulet: crit multi; chest: +4 rive and maybe health if possible; belt: cleanse ailments and possibly health; gloves: melee attack speed -health-shred armor; boots: mov and vitality, relic: crit multi and possibly +void. About rings?

Realistically I’ll manage to gather 1 lp uniques with some 2lp exceptions

[austere frost]

Try get anomaly t7 to on helmet, rings are increase void damage streng and health increase and streng get priority unless you need more tankiness,relic crit multi and specifically void cleave t7 biggest boost increase

Shattered chains if 2 lp increase void and increase health if only 1lp increase health, rings doom ring,plus either ocearon,crab ring or a red ring later on ,if you manage to get 90 vitality and its doable you get 20 more void from devouring orb as a bonus

[drowsy ingot]

Cleanse ailment is not priority on the belt?

[austere frost]

For uber yeah for rest content no really

[drowsy ingot]

Im using a crab rings actually but I feel not comfortable without dodgeroll.

Are you using sentinel passive to improve cooldown (valiant charge)? Void cleave recharge fast so I was considering avoid that node

[waxen nymph]

I love that node

Hp and more mobility

[drowsy ingot]

Agree and with healing hands as a traversal I feel it as mandatory. With this vk Im not sure (but Im still using darkstride so I actually have 3 charge of void cleave. Won’t happens with army of skin)

[austere frost]

If you don't need it don't use it instead get points in vitality it can be useful

[drowsy ingot]

My question was if you are using it or not 😄. Curiosity 😂

[wooden monolith]

I farmed a new 2lp sword catcher with melee void/increase void, UA kill is now 1'50 from 2'20. Thx you.
My tiers S UA killers are rive vd, multistrike paladin and warpath vd (not swapping stuff), around 1'50 for thoses 3 builds. Did not test ES yet, failed slams on weapon.

Forgot dw multistrike smite vd, UA kill is around 2 min. So in my tiers S list too

[wooden monolith]

Farming a last build (judgment aura) then i am done with le, untill next patch ^^

[lunar herald]

ok wait electrify multistrike smite is better than spell dmg i just pobd both and they have nearly identical tank and dmg but electrify can get FAR FAR better clear with lighting bolts and electrify spread from HH did anyone play either

and why is it so ez to sustain mana? i can get i think around 23 smites per sec with perfect aps 1 smite costs 8 mana which is completly irrelvant because it gets ignored if mana is empty

[clever hazel]

from what I understand the lightning bolt smite thing can double hit even on single target (or it could last time I tested at a training dummy) so you should always take that node on any build where you can deal with the mana costs

not just for clearing or whatever

[lunar herald]

WAIT WHAT? so the lightning version is not only far far better clear its also twice the dps lol

[clever hazel]

yes, the only downsides are mana cost and skill points required really

[lunar herald]

1 point and mana cost is irrelevant like i said lol

just leveling this char have no gear atm in SCF and played hit based fire just repecced into electrify and dmg atm is a bit lower but i can finnaly clear i had no clear on hit based because 4 smites per attack is 4 enemies hit with mediocre dmg but now 1 or 2 attacks pack dead

yeah i think they can shotgun realy lighting bolts have theire own zap ish sound and on single target i can hear that

but i realy need gear finnaly already got 8 unique swords or so no aurelis its a 1in 5

[clever hazel]

I tested it by comparing bleed stacks before/after

[wooden monolith]

yep it s better (and can kill UA), but weaker than void version.

[lunar herald]

i looked around i saw on maxroll a void version but it has SOOO low aps a 2h staff

[wooden monolith]

yep it s stronger than electrify

[peak zodiac]

i mean it’s going to have lower throughput of smites per second for sure than using a melee weapon, but the upside of staff is enables tankiness in a good way and you’re going to have more dmg smites, dw is more dmg than staff but tankiness will be pretty low

[lunar herald]

no pally can get FAR FAR tankier block is sick

[peak zodiac]

i didn’t say it was tankier than a block paladin

[wooden monolith]

block paladin is tankier, but dps is crap

[peak zodiac]

but for tanky version selfcast on vk is better anyways

[lunar herald]

i play it with a shield SCF HC needs tank

[wooden monolith]

ok

[peak zodiac]

selfcast vk can get as tanky as you ever need for hc while being ranged and having more dps than pally

[lunar herald]

but than it has no dmg

self cast smite has lower dmg than 23 triggers per sec

[peak zodiac]

it’s more dps than pally just less than multistrike on vk

~30m dps with my current gear and extremely tanky

[wooden monolith]

vk tank smite has better dps than pally tank smite, vk always better

[lunar herald]

if my calculation is correct i should be able to get 12mil on shield electrify

[peak zodiac]

yeah and i have 30m with block

[lunar herald]

tank?

[lunar herald]

that was without double hit so 24with double hits

[peak zodiac]

i mean it’s gonna show different on planner because letools isn’t accurate but my current tankiness is about 150k ehp vs phys hit and could be 200k with perfect rolls and if i swapped to slower boots in exchange for more tankiness

[lunar herald]

how much life block armour etc?

[peak zodiac]

because i have max block, seed of ekkedrasil, blood mage gloves, 70% armor, over 5k hp

and once i hit 3lp mountain boots it will be almost 6k

[lunar herald]

the actual armour and block effect?

[peak zodiac]

~65% armor 62% block eff

[lunar herald]

the numbers not the %

4k block 7k armor?

[peak zodiac]

i’m at work rn but armor is a bit lower than that but it’s close to that iirc

but i’m also using 2lp nihilis with a bad armor roll because i play sc and 150k ehp is plenty for 2kc on softcore

[lunar herald]

im using evolutions end i need the attributes to activate red rings

[peak zodiac]

vk you stack vit anyways so activating red is easy then you can use nihilis for frenzy (unless you get really lucky with idol enchant then you go back to ee for 6 vit)

[lunar herald]

i just use the frenzy primordial for a far better frenzy

[peak zodiac]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/daimonoss/character/smite

this is my current gear but i do make lots of swaps depending on needs, hc you probably want to swap boots to fiery dragon shoes

but vk is more dps by a landslide and selfcast is very comparable tankiness wise at worst

[lunar herald]

ok even if i inlcude the 25% taken over time and 26% to mana its still less tanky than the pally

and i only have 2500 life with in config 3k ward in config ward calc says i can get around 4k ish ward

oh and you only have 30% reduced dmg from crits i dont play with less than 80% in HC

[wooden monolith]

what do you mean by "unless you get realy lucky with idol enchan" ? insane stuff, how long is UA fight ?

[peak zodiac]

as i said you swap boots to fiery dragon shoes in hc i play sc so blind with long range is good

[peak zodiac]

if you have frenzy when skill is echoed enchant you don’t need nihilis for frenzy but it’s hard to get bc you also want crit enchant to cap. and uber is about 5min, not super fast so i mostly do it with another char

[wooden monolith]

ok, thx

[lunar herald]

how much dps can lighting fissure pally get?

[drowsy ingot]

I’ll have to do the same soon. How did you proceeded? Prophecies?

[waxen nymph]

I was very unimpressed when I tried it

[peak zodiac]

fissures are mostly nice for leveling (on pally or vk) once you have more gear crit or electrify always significantly outperforms it

[waxen nymph]

True

[wooden monolith]

prophecies/imprint

[lunar herald]

i realy hope they change dots at some point dots feel more like hit builds do with a dot build you deal dmg twice per sec with a hit build 3 to 5 aps is normal

[wooden monolith]

i tried to make an ignite build, it s been my worst build, it s so bad lol

[wooden monolith]

i mean prophecies to get the unique, imprint to get the double exalt

[lunar herald]

on pally or FG? they dont have any ignite support what i like for boss oneshoting is sorc with frostclaw ignite duration stacking and than enchant weapon to pop the ignite

[peak zodiac]

you can do similar with bleed on paladin, bunch of bleed duration from passives/gear and then you pop it with abyssal echoes. i wouldn’t do it with smite tho

[wooden monolith]

it was a vengeance/jugment aura pally ignite build

[lunar herald]

yeah and bleed hermmerdin or whatever is probably far more dmg than claw anyways

idk pally has the one 50% more dmg with ignite node which sounds incredible strong but there just no good ignite skills on pally maybe hammer throw is the best ignite skill

[peak zodiac]

yeah hammers is really good and tanky, shield rush you can get really good bleed dmg too but it’s not as tanky

in theory vengeance ignite would be good if blade paladin ever gets fixed

[wooden monolith]

vengeance is a support skill, it has no high damage nodes

unlike multistrike

[peak zodiac]

it doesn’t have a ton but if blade paladin is fixed then in theory you can double dip with wildfire amulet, and you get a lot of support dps like the ignite node in paladin, healing hands and holy aura

[lunar herald]

where is vengance good???? you can get a total of 100% more dmg thats nothing

what blade paladin?

[peak zodiac]

well it’s not right now but in theory blade paladin node is supposed to convert and if it does the scaling would be pretty good

but that node is bugged rn, maybe it gets fixed s4 but i wouldn’t count on it

[lunar herald]

what blade paladin node???

do you mean iron blade?

[wooden monolith]

the "on hit" damages nodes are not working for dots, so it s even worse

[lunar herald]

disarming and vengeful fighter together can reach 100% more

[wooden monolith]

100% at most, wich is pretty bad (multistrike can reach 100% with a single node)

[lunar herald]

yeah but multistrike isnt a good skill either its so ez to instead of dealing dmg with multistrike to instead trigger smite and than do whatever you want

[wooden monolith]

it s good for bleed build. you don t need to trigger smite (u can), you can just increase all the damages nodes

[peak zodiac]

this node is supposed to convert to fire pen with ignite per fire res if u convert vengeance to fire but it’s been bugged for as long as i can remember

[waxen nymph]

For as long as it was implemented

Somehow when you convert to fire, you deal even less dmg

[wooden monolith]

they are good at making lots of bug

[peak zodiac]

it doesn’t have a ton of more multipliers, agreed, but you still get dark duelist, vengeful fighter, disarming strike, and conditionally potentially vital puncture and molten riposte. and you will get a ton of both ignite chance and fire pen from using amulet + that node. it was never going to be bear or flay or whatever but as far as ignite builds go if it’s ever fixed it should be pretty decent in theory

[lunar herald]

oh ok that node looks pretty solid if it can convert to fire

[austere frost]

I am glad I worked better

[lunar herald]

why is code of the erased so unused? not only does it has a good amount of armour it has the very rare but strong armour applies to dots and a large amount and +1 to all sentinell skills on other classes +1 all skills is not that strong but on paladin with symbols of hope and holy aura it gives alot of good stats than +1 to youre main skill +1 to healing hands for some more tank

[peak zodiac]

relic is just a very competitive slot, twisty heart is good if u can use it for ward but even if not you still get 20% hp 16 str and then you have anchor for dmg and easy endurance and of course shattered worlds but it’s still a very good option for sure

[lunar herald]

twisted heart if you use a ele spell beats it or the bleed relic for bleed builds yes but on all other builds code is besides the uber relic BIS

[wooden monolith]

random stats is a nightmare

[turbid dome]

1. Weaver item so gamble gamble is pain
2. it has to compete with some of the strongest items in the game

[lunar herald]

but its SOO ez to get than with runes of weaving no spending hours killing enemies to level up good ones till you get a good one

[turbid dome]

It’s not bad by any means, but part of its niche was lost when armor applies to dot was made more common

[peak zodiac]

you still have zero determinism and are basically just relegated to praying to rngesus where you can get a 1lp twisty heart and a good slam for it in 5 minutes and still get a t7 strength and t6 increased hp

[turbid dome]

Additionally the variance on weaver items was made worse when 1 guaranteed affix per slam was added

So weaver stuff is both more random and for the weaver idol, really only grants generic stats

[peak zodiac]

build dependent, there are definitely scenarios where it’s better than anything pre-SW but even then most times twisty is like 90% of the power for like 5% of the effort

[lunar herald]

so the main reason you think its no t used is because its not as ez as 1LP slam? i hope that weaver items are becoming a bit more deterministic idk a forge where you can sacrifice 5 of the same weaver item and than select 1 guranteed stat or adjust the weighting

[peak zodiac]

i’m not sure that’s the only reason, but i think if there was a comparable level of determinism you’d see it used a lot more, for sure

[turbid dome]

It’s not just the variance

• +1 all skills is great… assuming your skill build lines up where that is a boost to multiple skills (reaching critical nodes) otherwise a +3 to one skill is stronger
• it doesn’t give anything really unique for a relic slot, it’s a bunch of generically good stats before the randomness kicks in

[lunar herald]

first pair of boots and game tells me to play VK XD

[turbid dome]

To finish about the weaver relic, it’s solid don’t get me wrong but imo it falls off late game because there’s no corner stone bonus, it’s just generically good stats + what randomly got added to it

[lunar herald]

i think because im a HC player i see more upsides on it because its worth farming for a good one because the uber relic is not realistic on 99% of HC chars

[turbid dome]

Yeah

That’s when your in the mid game imo

[lunar herald]

i realy hate how busted that relic is it needs some nerfs

[turbid dome]

Yeah

Shattered worlds is an example of an item with a lot of generically good stats and some corner stone style boosts

[lunar herald]

but im glad i tried multistrike smite its such a fund build its melee but it has very good clear for beeing a TRUE mele build

[turbid dome]

Multi smite is fun

[lunar herald]

and after going electrify the clear realy is exceptional with the spread

BUT I STILL DONT HAVE AURELIUS HOW

[turbid dome]

🐟

Sounds like it’s farmin time for you

[wooden monolith]

multistrike is a great skill, you can make a ton of builds

[lunar herald]

how can i fail evertime ITS A 20% CHANCE

[turbid dome]

Are you offering 20% of every meal to Lady Luck

[lunar herald]

my luck recently in general is bad i think it got this bad with the introduction of the tree in poe worst thing ever XD

[waxen nymph]

What is a 20%chance?

[lunar herald]

ah not 20% 9.29% thought 20%

[austere frost]

I farm 300 weaver scissor atrophos for 2 mods how many you think will get the perfect mods I need answer is close to 0

One day we will get a currency that forces weaver items to upgrade only prefix first or suffix thus fixing weaver problems by a long shot

[lunar herald]

I JUST GOT t6 melee attack speed sword before my weapon ah why

[iron basin]

you can't guarantee that it has the stats you want. the actual effects on the relic are pretty good if you have good rolls from the gamba

[drowsy ingot]

From 1 to 10, how stupid am I for losing deathless status for the second time because of a golem shot? 😂

[waxen nymph]

1

Happens to me all the time

[warped plume]

Which one is the golem shot?

[drowsy ingot]

Big guyz with a ballista on the back, a large green/red area appears on the ground and after a few seconds explode. Can do it off screen and it may happens (usually due to mob density) that I don’t see it in time

[warped plume]

I’ve lost deathless to that in HC 😅

Misjudged old volitile reversal time and jumped back into it just as it exploded.

[fierce mulch]

warpath vk is viable to what level?

[warped plume]

One of the best builds in the game

Starts popping off properly once you can sustain mana

[fierce mulch]

will I ever have to replace this sword?

[fierce mulch]

I'm using 5 points of unchained

[warped plume]

Yes

It will last you quite long

[fierce mulch]

I dont see that thing ever working, no mana dump or cd on the skill, is this fine?

[austere frost]

Its automatically cast you will see a buff from it when it gets cast and warpath void knight scales very hard with gear

[wooden monolith]

yep, you ll want world splitter with flat crit, other option is appathy's maw with flat void + darkstride boots for insane ms for speed farming

[fierce mulch]

maybe I'm missing it? how should it look?

[fierce mulch]

alright I'll keep in mind those names. I already have darkstride boots and its very fun

[austere frost]

Its an icon

Should say buff something not hard to see on your buffs gives 20 attack speed and more damage

Worldsplitter is bis ,for boots army of skin is bis its too good

[warped plume]

Nether costing. You need to spec it in the echo skill

[fierce mulch]

I dont think its working then, I can't see the buff

[wooden monolith]

yep for dps version. for farming, appathy+darkstride is better

[austere frost]

For farming splitter is way better what you mean

[warped plume]

He’s talking about movement speed

[austere frost]

Apathy maw has never being bis for vk since we got splitter and frenzy axe that item is power crepe so hard

Yeah but you kill stuff way faster with splitter and army of skin

For farming and bossing is would never use those nowdays

[wooden monolith]

you get more ms with appathy, no need to farm at 2K corruption, 1k is enough

[austere frost]

You can even get realistically 3 lp army of skin

Meh when you play at 2k you dont go down

There is a reason for it ask kuden when he comes back

I rather hit fast and hard while never worrying about mana with void well

Darkstride and apathy aint beating that combo neither for farming or bossing since you aint gonna get flat on weapon any way

For 6% ms not worth imo

[wooden monolith]

apathy+darkstride (with flat void) is the faster speed farmer.you don t need to hit hard, you need to go as fast as possible (and you don t care of high corruption. for bossing you switch for splitter flat crit + army of skin.

[austere frost]

Meh sweiton the big dog warpath with 10 swap items still uses worldsplitter for farming with the melee void mana which is better for farming that true

[fierce mulch]

off topic if you dont mind - what should I do with the weaver tree? many graveyards? what then

[austere frost]

Apathy maw use it then get worldsplitter and start working towards 1-2 lp then get the mods needed with literally flat melee crit and increase attack speed on weapon and a good army of skin the warpath player still farms faster and beats all content doing troves before we are done

[fierce mulch]

any of those is keepable?

I mean, for long term

[austere frost]

Relic no good , chest its ok

[wooden monolith]

worldsplitter + void melee is an option too. as a big farmer i don t care of the mana (1k is enough) and i dont care of the corruption '1k is enough), i just want to open as many chest as possible, as fast as possible., that s why i go appathy + darkstride

[austere frost]

True but why would I waste slams on an items if I can choose a better one and run along

I farmed my fair amount of 3 t7 items before group play and never had a speed problem

You can even use the ward chest for 30 ms if you want ,ward it gives is good for survivability too

[wooden monolith]

keep the body armor, you can slam the +4 warpath in a titan heart later

[wooden monolith]

i guess we play the way we like, i am obsessed with MS, i want as much as possible ^^ i have 2 sentinel, one for bossing, and one for speed farming (with tree and stuff only for speed farm)

[fierce mulch]

care to help me find weaver tree guide plesae

[waxen nymph]

Grab the imprints

Then sprinkle what you like on top

[fierce mulch]

what are the imprints? the locked ones?

[wooden monolith]

yep

[wooden monolith]

wow, got my first 2lp shattered worlds relic (according to steam,it took me 2,1k hours to get one ^^), stats are crap, won t slam it

[drowsy ingot]

@austere frost need your wisdom about skill points: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgPO0n2

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 73

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (41) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,037, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 150.87, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 45 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 18 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 101% / 81% / 91% / 100% / 50% / 68% / 58%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 844
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (40)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (2,743)

Used skills:

Rive / Void Cleave / Symbols of Hope / Anomaly / Devouring Orb

[wooden monolith]

you do not nemesis your helmet and ring?

[drowsy ingot]

Helmet has 2 crap legendary powers and ring is a 2LP but don’t have proper exalt for the slam yet

Helm will be replaced

[wooden monolith]

ok, why i don t see lp or crap legendaries ?

[drowsy ingot]

I forgot

[waxen nymph]

Cause they filled the planner

Instead of importing it

[wooden monolith]

ok

[waxen nymph]

My guess at least

[drowsy ingot]

Yep, im not at home and remade it

Also forgot blessings

[waxen nymph]

Playing online?

[drowsy ingot]

Offline

[waxen nymph]

Ah

[drowsy ingot]

Not sure if I spent wisely my skill points for rive and void strike. Plus, where to spend the +6 of swordcatcher

[fading gull]

I've played the game for 370 hours and I still don't understand it.

[wooden monolith]

i would remove cadence and rending to max the damage nodes (like champion or ripples)

i always want to max the damages nodes, for max damages ^^

[mental flare]

good set items finally

[wooden monolith]

is it a 1.4 set ?

[mental flare]

if the set affixes are the x per attributes then we cooking good

[gusty abyss]

This though, much zoom zoom to be had for VK

[turbid dome]

looks like clotho's is back on the menu bois

[mental flare]

next month exp

[mental flare]

yeahhhh}

[turbid dome]

and we can have them be reforged rings too

🎉

tho the stacking attribute bit on them is neat

very funny line

[mental flare]

do we know if we can use the corruption thingy on legendary items?

i wish to reroll my 20 failed red rings

[turbid dome]

yeah they showed legendary corrupted items

tho I assume corruption is the final stage of modifying the item due to it adding unmodifiable to it

[sinful widget]

The unique list can point to the wrong item ID if your filter wasn’t created on the current patch

One way to go around it is instead of selecting the ones you want and hide the rest, hide the ones you don’t want (so select everything then uncheck the ones you actually want) and then below it show all uniques

[wooden monolith]

thx you

[sinful widget]

this way the worst case scenario is that you might not actually hide all the ones you don't want if their unique ID is different, but at least you won't miss out on the ones you're chasing

[wooden monolith]

yeah, this is better

[sinful widget]

you can also check the item ID in the XML of your loot filter and compare with a fresh filter or online databases

I found two examples that I believe changed between 1.2 and 1.3, hand of judgement and monument of protection

[wooden monolith]

i still don t understand why i can see all the weaver s will items (i didn t selected them)

[quiet hearth]

with each update VK becomes the best class all over again

[gusty abyss]

Well, I expect vit to lose its life bonus. Its going to be a trade off

[quiet hearth]

I dont see that happening at all

[turbid dome]

its not vit loosing its life bonus, your converting vit to something else so you just dont have any vit

(my assumption)

[gusty abyss]

that was literally what was said when they showed the int version, that the bonus granted of the attribute would change

but anything scaling with it, would keep its scaling

[sinful widget]

would be curious to see a guide/planner for what you guys consider to be the best leaguestarter (something that can get to 300c on minimal gear or with easy to acquire gear)

kinda bored of doing judgement everytime

i know hammer throw is popular but not sure which version

[quiet hearth]

I mean, almost any version of hammer throw will carry you, save the smite version until you get the idols

Now what I want to know, is where is the skill update or the item that lets me convert ravaging aura to fire. AoD got one why not us.

[austere frost]

This is what a rive with sword catcher look like maxed

[quiet hearth]

Or rive getting a fire conversion, please let them be silly enough to let that happen

[drowsy ingot]

Has been twice that the game freeze in the loading screen of a map (it works in the background because I can hear sound effects but the loading screen stays). Any other woth this issue?

[quiet hearth]

Just something that happens right now sadly

[scarlet thistle]

Does Forgemaster's Might benefit from "effect of haste"?

[austere frost]

Isn't that the one that converts haste into flat block

[quiet hearth]

the fact Primalist got a Rahyeh themed unique before us is also hilarious to me

[scarlet thistle]

That's the one

[drowsy ingot]

Preciuos. Can show me also void cleave?

[scarlet thistle]

If Forgemaster's Might works with Haste Effect to increase block chance then maybe there's an interesting combo with the new amulet.

[wooden monolith]

yep

[peak zodiac]

it doesn’t, which is honestly insulting

[scarlet thistle]

No fun allowed 😭

[peak zodiac]

i mean crippling my movement speed is no fun allowed already, but haste effect not working is like kicking FG while he’s down lol

[austere frost]

Yeah idk who thought here's 10 flat block but you loose 30 ms

[sinful widget]

Kinda shocked at how good the reflect paladin build is, gear isn’t even close to optimized

[scarlet thistle]

Thicket is an extremely overpowered item. Doesnt take much to make it work

[inland quarry]

omg i got a 22% parry clotho's needle in my inventory. with that new set amulet, it's gonna be 33% parry, and with the sentinel i can get to 75% parry! gonna theorycraft around that!

[waxen nymph]

So....

It seems like Warpath is getting a cold conversion
Or am I seeing thing

0.28

[turbid dome]

The sword there is a holy yellow/gold

A cold convert would make me think blue like blue multi strike

[waxen nymph]

They seem to shatter on death

[turbid dome]

Hmmm

[waxen nymph]

Maybe it's the glass like enemies

[topaz shell]

Hope you're right, i need a class that has a decent cold melee skill plus decent health regen to use the Shattered Lance set. In theory Lich can do this, but you wouldn't be able to use Reaper Form lmao so i prefer Paladin much more.

[turbid dome]

ror2 shaped glass gaming

[topaz shell]

Now you killed my hope.

[turbid dome]

I mean cold druid werebear is what I did with the shattered lance

granted it was like 3 updates ago

[waxen nymph]

Apparently it's a mtx

[iron basin]

shattered lance EQ was a thing at one point

EQ has 0 cold on it just stupid high multipliers and good effectiveness on the aftershocks

[turbid dome]

ooo

like the shattered lightning skill mtx for mage

[iron basin]

excuse me I was told this game explicitly doesn't have any good MTX by a very reliable source, so that can't be true

and yes, my source was a reddit comment

[turbid dome]

I mean

there was a solid like 2 years where the mtx was basically just the shark hat outfit and the soul eater outfit

[iron basin]

shark outfit is peak

[turbid dome]

but then we got beeteor

[turbid dome]

never said it wasn't

just the mtx shop was like a handful of things for a while

[iron basin]

yeah

[turbid dome]

can't wait for a bive (bee + rive)

[iron basin]

cosmic smite slaps too

[turbid dome]

and then theres blue multistrike

[iron basin]

not having beeform for swarmblade is criminal

[turbid dome]

true

[turbid dome]

in regards to this thing, I'm guessing brutality is strength and apathy is vitality (we know the other 3)

[iron basin]

Rampancy is vitality

it says right there

[turbid dome]

I'm blind

[iron basin]

same tbh

[turbid dome]

and the king of typos

[iron basin]

I would think apathy is attunement

[turbid dome]

yeah that makes sense

[iron basin]

then madness for int

[turbid dome]

yee that was in a previous teaser

I still want my torpidity resistance idea in the game

[waxen nymph]

Me trying to stack attunement to make my Apathy Maw better 💀

[iron basin]

lol

I'm not entirely sure how to use that amulet tbh. none of the stats really give damage which is where you'd generally want to be attribute stacking

[turbid dome]

you still get the attribute scaling for skills from the converted attribute

[iron basin]

did they confirm that?

[waxen nymph]

We know that stuff that scale from attribute retain their scaling

[turbid dome]

ye

[iron basin]

oh neat

[waxen nymph]

Yed

[iron basin]

alright that's a lot better than I thought

[waxen nymph]

But you don't get the basic benefits of the attribute

[iron basin]

I guess Dex and Attunement probably lose the least then? The flat dodge from dex is good but don't dodge builds generally get their defensives from item suffixes

[turbid dome]

attunement is the biggest winner

every other stat looses a solid chunk of defense converting

[iron basin]

yeah

I guess if your attunement stacker REALLY used Seed for defense then you lose a bit

[turbid dome]

god attunement's effect being so ass is good here

I mean

100 attunement is 200 mana, thats a lil more than a single mana affix

[iron basin]

yeah but you can really easily get to 150 or 200 attributes if you're stacking up. so that's like 2 whole mana affixes :^)

[turbid dome]

[iron basin]

sentinel needs a good attunement way to dump all the mana you can get from stacking so it can utilize the primordial

it's pretty much just judgement right?

and as a staff you can't put attack speed on your weapon

[turbid dome]

judgement to dump then spam smite with devotion is a classic

[inland quarry]

my next build is going to be shield rush spam clothos needle 75% parry VK

[scarlet thistle]

I'm curious if Xylem would still give benefits for the converted attunement

[uneven gorge]

Should do, everything that scales with the normal stats works with the converted stats as far as I understand

[turbid dome]

I thought it was just skill scaling that stayed with the converted attribute

[uneven gorge]

It isn't known what exactly they do, but from my understanding the conversions just change what the attributes do/give, not anything that scales with them. I.e. Rage just changes how mana works, but still scales with everything mana related

[peak zodiac]

it was confirmed on reddit that it's just the omen mobs shattering and warpath isn't getting cold conversion

[scarlet thistle]

confirmed on stream that the converted stat will count. So Xylem would scale off of it's corrupt counterpart

[peak zodiac]

i'm interested to see what the attribute bonus for the corrupted attributes will be. giga ms for my vit stacker sounds nice but idk about giving up 1k+ flat hp lol

attunement will likely be the most common one to convert, reasonably common to stack attunement but not care about the mana

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, sadge

[scarlet thistle]

I've got a Xylem Paladin build that I'm excited to corrupt. No idea what the corrupted stat does, but I like to hope that it'll be useful.

[wooden monolith]

Azurral's Fury (belt) : Using a potion grants you Falsewater Fury until you run out of mana

drains your mana

[gusty abyss]

Ok, this might actually be good now

[scarlet thistle]

What would make this good?

[gusty abyss]

before, proc rate was to low and the scaling mods where also way lower

[scarlet thistle]

oh, its actually buffed? I wasnt looking at the stream lol

[peak zodiac]

holy those are huge buffs

[gusty abyss]

Might actually be competitive with palarus now

[iron basin]

from LE tools for comparison

it's a massive buff

Void Multistrike? 👀

[wooden monolith]

"3% more Voidwinter Bolt Damage per 10% uncapped Time Rot Chance with Melee Attacks" does it mean i need to attack as fast as possible to send a lot of time rot (i do not speak english very well)

?

[turbid dome]

every 10% time rot chance with melee attacks that you have will give the voidwinter bolt 3% more damage

actually applying the timerot doesn't do anything with that affix

[wooden monolith]

it s time rot chance from items/idol ? not sure to understand

or stacking time rot with attack speed

[orchid juniper]

from either of those, or your passive tree; anything that adds that stat to your character sheet

[wooden monolith]

ok

[turbid dome]

its like if it said "3% increased health per 10 vitality"

doesn't matter where the vitality comes from, every 10 of it you get 3% increased health

[orchid juniper]

600% damage effectiveness on voidwinter bolts according to letools, hmmmm, wonder if that's changed at all to compensate

[wooden monolith]

ok thx you

[orchid juniper]

wait huh it's tagged as a spell w/ attunement and dex scaling lmao?

[alpine canopy]

It's similar to how rot grip works, scales damage based on your 'chance to apply time rot on hit' stat.

If we can get a lot of time rot chance, it could make time rots applied by voidwinter bolts pretty spicy, or maybe at least good enough to clear with.

A lot of time rot chance is for void skills only, sadly, so it might not be possible to scale that into a top tier setup

[peak zodiac]

iirc time rot with void skills works for it

[alpine canopy]

For rot grip yes, but not for bane of winter

[austere frost]

The item still looks very mid if you are going to balance an item at least make it based on stats that you can scale well enough and make sense to get them like time rot does

[cold dock]

Can anyone hear save me some time, has FG gotten any love for this season? Or meh

[clever hazel]

Forge Guard hasn't been changed since season 2 (tombs of the erased) added this:

Added a new Forgeguard node, “Forgemaster’s Might”, that allows you to equip a shield alongside a 2h sword, axe, mace, or spear. While you have a two handed weapon and a shield equipped, you and your minions deal 20% less Damage and have 10% less Attack and Cast Speed, and Haste instead grants +10% Block Chance. Requires 45 points in the Forge Guard Passive.

[wooden monolith]

i do not play forgeguard mostly because of this node, it lowers dps and ms, it makes fg bad.

[clever hazel]

allowing 2H + shield enables some interesting combos, I hate the haste -> block chance conversion though

[wooden monolith]

yep, but they need lower the dps and ms loss

[clever hazel]

I think the DPS penalty is fine, it exists so you can still technically play forge guard and not use 2H + shield; without that it's just a mandatory node

you will never convince me that +10% block chance is worth losing 30% (or more, with haste effect; which doesn't even scale the 10% block btw) movement speed, tho

[wooden monolith]

VD and paladin are higher on dps

.

[clever hazel]

I mean yeah, nobody is playing smite on forge guard

crit smite is best on VK, and electrify smite is ok on paladin

forge strike is mostly just a worse version of erasing strike as-is

and smelter's wrath is just a strange skill

[turbid dome]

smelter's is the most okay-est skill in the game... like it does what it wants but what it does isn't great in an arpg

standing still and doing nothing for 2 seconds an't it

[quiet hearth]

Like all they need to do is let you move while your charging and it's gold imo, well that and fix all the broken nodes

[turbid dome]

I'd take a node that doubles charge time but it passively charges

[quiet hearth]

Eh I feel that's a bit too passive, making it have an innate enemies killed explode would be good too

[peak zodiac]

it's like 10m dps on 1t7s (like 30m every 3 sec) which is honestly pretty abysmal when the playstyle is accounted for, being called okay is the best compliment SW has ever recieved

[quiet hearth]

It's more like, It works, it can do what it should well enough but, there is no real spectacle, and the damage isn't amazing to compensate for that either. It's literally just that, it's just ok.

[turbid dome]

fair thought was just an ocasional kaboom would be better than stand still and charge

[peak zodiac]

getting average at best dps is not enough to pull it in ok territory when the playstyle is that garbage

[quiet hearth]

It can do all the base content, that is literally just...ok.

[peak zodiac]

smelter's wrath can't realistically do uber (yes i know lizard has done it)

[quiet hearth]

Ubers is not base content

[peak zodiac]

what is base content then

[quiet hearth]

Pretty much everything up to ubers, not counting high corruption, The skill, can and does function.

[austere frost]

Forgeguard its still trash i would wait for them to be touchedin the future unless you wanna shield throw

[quiet hearth]

Forgeguard is not trash, it's just VK and Paladin are absolutely cooked

[peak zodiac]

so 300c and normal abby? literally every main damaging skill in the game can do all base content then, not exactly a high bar.

and ya forgeguard isn't as bad as it once was but at best it's like the 3rd worst mastery and that's being generous

[quiet hearth]

I didnt say it was a high bar, I said it was just ok, not great, not bad, just ok

I think one interesting rework would be it explodes when you strike someone, maybe every X attack it just explodes. Very hammer and anvil esq

[peak zodiac]

just replace forgebreath from MA with smelter's wrath

it'll make SW good and it will be extremely silly

[quiet hearth]

I mean, pretty sure that is what they wanted furnace to be

[austere frost]

Forgeguard its trash likr its hard to think about a mastery that is worse idk maybe shaman although reflect shaman its insane with actual gear on it

I rather not sugar coat it and hope and ask for buffs to its mastery bonus passive tree and skills

And vk is above pally since a while way better

[quiet hearth]

Forge guard is not trash and is far from the worst in the game.

[austere frost]

Your opinion point out the worst

[quiet hearth]

I'd say Spellblade right now, like I wouldnt say anything is less than a 5/10 right now but some things are obviously behind others.

[austere frost]

Shatter strike is still way above any forge guard build though

[quiet hearth]

I disagree

[austere frost]

Shield throw and shield bash only true legit builds that forgeguard does well and none are better than shatter strike

You can disagree all you want its facts

[quiet hearth]

lol, whatever you want friendo, not about to sit here and argue with you

[austere frost]

If forgeguards is so good it should be A tier at least

That being said shield throw vk timerot the lavaburst node more damage it applies to time rot as well always have a doubt about that?

[austere frost]

This take an please dont feel attacked or whatever is so wrong if uber aint base game idk where have you been

[peak zodiac]

imo, the only mastery that is arguably worse rn is sorc. spellblade is 100% not the worst, shatter strike can do uber in 2 mins easily, it’s one of the highest dps builds in the game

[austere frost]

From the new amulet can we assume that brutality is strength stacking

[peak zodiac]

ya that makes the most sense, i think maybe you might just try and get it without any conversions (or if it always rolls with conversions then one that doesn’t affect you, like int on sentinel) and just use it for +2 all 18 all attributes on oracle base

ofc we have to see what the attributes do and whether they’re worth but if i can solve frenzy elsewhere then it’s really good for my smite vk for 18 more vit lmao

[austere frost]

18 all stat gonna make easier to use red rings for some builds i think thats best thing they showed so far

Imo vk gonna keep cooking looks like

Please let lpl not be too awful I got excited about evolution end and I haven't dropped a 3lp all season ,I hope primordial get better lpl if possible or more drops since rift beast is rather cheap with its drops

[turbid dome]

mmm more vitality

[austere frost]

More

[turbid dome]

More More!

[iron basin]

Let the record show I did kill normal Abby with Furnace

It was terrible and took forever

[iron basin]

Uber isn't base game. It's pinnacle aspirational content

It's also the only such content we have in the game currently

[austere frost]

Is high corruption also not base game

Cause he said it isn't which is dead wrong

Uber its base game 1.0 aint necessary base game last epoch has no dlc so far which means everything in it is base game

People seems to have a problem differentiating a base game from a dlc which again we dont yet have ,everything added is and will be base game until orobyss dlc ,

[drowsy ingot]

Is this void cleave setup ok for swordcatcher rive vk?

[turbid dome]

assuming you have void shred from somewhere else it looks solid

tho do you have max echo chance?

Idk the math off the top of my head but crushing echo may be more overall damage than 5 points in "into the depths" if you have 40% echo chance

you could also shave a point off of Abyssal walker and 2 points from Dark Pathway to get points to flex into other nodes

(If someone else has done crit hit void cleave recently please correct me)

[drowsy ingot]

Still level 79, void shred not on gear or blessing. Echo chance from passives will be 30%, not sure how to get 40%

[austere coral]

Time for me to derust LE, so question about Erasing Strike - Stolen Moments grants haste "when Erasing Strike kills an enemy", does this include kills with ailments caused by ES? Doesn't say it's just hits, but I'm not sure.

[waxen nymph]

If it doesn't say hit, yes ailment works

[austere coral]

I remember that last time I tried to use ES for speedruns, my idea didn't quite work out, but I'm willing to try again now

[wooden monolith]

It s 40, not 30

30 from passive + 10 for being vd

[waxen nymph]

Vd?

[wooden monolith]

Sorry i mean vk

[waxen nymph]

Ah

You have been saying vd for a while.
I guessed it was vk but that time idk why it didn't click

[austere frost]

Void shred comes from devouring orb same with void essence

[wooden monolith]

You should have tell me earlier !

[drowsy ingot]

So it could be ok that skill distribution?

[austere frost]

A max 33 skill points void cleave could look like that maybe if you need more reliable void shred put the bleed points into void shred or fill the armor shred ones

You just want void cleave to finish mobs ,the time rot nodes add a ton more damage too worth trying that too

[wooden monolith]

Time rot node is strong at max stack, not sure its good for levelling (most mobs being 1shot), it s good for bossing

[drowsy ingot]

The last +4 points are slammed into the relic?

[wooden monolith]

Ya

[drowsy ingot]

Priority for relic slam is crit multi or +4 void cleave?

[iron basin]

Arguably also no, but I think it's because of the terminology used. A better term would be baseline. Uberoth is designed to be the hardest non-infinite scaling content. It should absolutely not be used as the basis of what makes a build good, and they even said when it was revealed that most builds wouldn't be able to complete it. High corruption is kinda in the same boat now, and I've been arguing for a bit that corruption needs a hard cap on it so that juicing mechanics can be added

[wooden monolith]

High corruption is a bit useless right now anyway, the end game consists to open chests to trigger imprints to get your double/tripple exalted, but there is no benefit to do it above 1200 corruption

[wooden monolith]

The end game is broken because of the imprint, i would br the devs. I would remove it, or nerf it

I would nerf the exalted part, imprinting uniques is ok

[waxen nymph]

Was catching up with yesterday stream

Mike confirmed a new Warpath conversion is coming within the next 3 seasons

[gusty abyss]

Here is hoping for lightning

[waxen nymph]

Same

[scarlet thistle]

It would have to be lightning right? Anything else would be outside the class' identity... unless that's specifically the new thing they decide to do.

[iron basin]

Curveball necrotic conversion unique

[waxen nymph]

Oo

[gusty abyss]

if that also converts smite to necrotic, I would actually commit hard on that

[waxen nymph]

OoOoO

[gusty abyss]

axe+shield forge guard with hybrid melee/spell mod

[waxen nymph]

I agree with Misha (she said that in another discord)
The main problem is only the Void Conversion has access to the 180% More Dmg in the tree. Meaning the rest is always worse

[scarlet thistle]

Poison Warpath and then we can use Ruby Fang

[waxen nymph]

So even if we get lightning, it would still be meh
Just like how fire is worse than Void rn

And Phys doesn't exist tbh

[gusty abyss]

yeah, thats why you play warpath as spell proc on non VK. But even then, doing it as VK is better due to echo's

[waxen nymph]

Yeah
I would love to be able to play a good melee Warpath non Void

[gusty abyss]

But if warpath gets a new conversion then surely there will be some changes to the tree

[waxen nymph]

Actually, I would love to be able to play with Warslash

[gusty abyss]

I could see it apply to say electrrify if converted to lightning

[waxen nymph]

But 🤷

[waxen nymph]

Shock maybe?

Or otherwise they would have to put a cap somewhere

Meh, dunno

[gusty abyss]

you can cap the effect to 12 stack of electrify, you would be 2 short for shock

but you could also just change the multiplier

[waxen nymph]

True to both

[gusty abyss]

Ill say this though, my days of holding down the warpath button are over

[waxen nymph]

Oh no

[gusty abyss]

I bought a wooting

[waxen nymph]

Ah!!!

I thought you were abandoning the archetype

[gusty abyss]

Nah, though spellblade might be interesting with lots of orbs

Though for now I think season start is going to be jav smite bane of winter

[waxen nymph]

😁

Bane looks really good

Well much much better

[gusty abyss]

the proc was solid for clear when I last played with it, just so limited by proc rate

[waxen nymph]

It might deal real dmg now