🔱┃sentinel

[austere frost]

One reason I gave up on acid flask and went chakrams😅 its so nice to have mana fixed in other games by some mechanic

[quaint sparrow]

That’s the one thing I really liked in D3 tbh

Each class had it’s own way of going about “mana”

[vivid epoch]

Hi, can i use reclaimed action with warpath? Seems like it does not trigger the echo, no matter how far I travel with volatile reversal

[turbid dome]

did you pick void knight as your mastery

you have to be a voidknight to echo

[vivid epoch]

I already have the void knight mastery. I also have the echo knight node in warpath if that matters

[turbid dome]

hmm

I'd guess your not moving far enough then?

It shouldn't trigger the warpath echo when you use volatile reversal

[vivid epoch]

oh, missed that part. tyvm 🙂

[sand wolf]

are any uniques "mandatory" for/most people us with Healing Hands Divine Bolt?

[waxen nymph]

Scale of Eterra, Mad Ladle

[true raptor]

Mandatory no, but very good / BiS yes

[fluid grove]

increased void damage applies to warpath skill?

[turbid dome]

did you convert warpath to void

[waxen nymph]

Oh man, I haven't played in a while

And I want to start a new char

I want to try Vengeance proccing spells again

[fluid grove]

Yes

[turbid dome]

then yes it does scale with %increased void damage, but no longer scales with %increased physical damage

[fluid grove]

thank you!

[alpine canopy]

It works quite nicely for flame burst + HH + divine bolts, maybe some smites for good measure. Not giga dps, but enough, also tanky and lots of explosions

[sand wolf]

anybody have a non-garbo guide for Divine Bold Healing palm? also whats the reason people stack Healing Effectiveness for it?

[waxen nymph]

HE gives you flat and Pen

[turbid dome]

extra thing to add, if your weapon has + melee physical/void/fire/lighting/etc. damage on it, that does not get converted to your skills damage type.

If for example, on your void converted warpath get a weapon with +melee physical damage, that physical damage will scale with %increased physical damage, if you have +melee lighting damage, then that lightning damage will scale with %increased lightning damage

both will scale with %increased melee damage, as that doesn’t care for damage type, just that its melee

[fluid grove]

sorry if im confused, but that means void damage on splitter doesnt do anything?

[turbid dome]

that means melee void damage scales with %increased void damage, %more void damage, etc.

matching your affix for extra flat melee damage to your skills damage type is what you want to do, so you did that right

the point was converting a skill from physical to void damage only affects the generic + melee damage in the implicit part of the item that doesnt have a damage type

[fluid grove]

thank you thats very helpful:)

[turbid dome]

stuff in the red box gets converted based on skill tags

stuff in blue doesnt

[fluid grove]

warpath is sometimes confusing for me

[turbid dome]

its a wacky skill given its a channeled melee skill you move during

that also counts as one looooonngg melee hit for stuff that triggers on melee hit

[night grotto]

So if the blue box stuff doesn't get converted

Does it still do that damage as well?

[austere frost]

The implicit melee damage of weapons that is general melee damage gets converted to the damage type the skill does ,now you can have a weapon with melee void damage and melee fire,lightning cold etc,the skill will use all of then but is always better more efficient to concentrate on one damage type instead of split types

[austere frost]

So I can have a warpath doing 100 melee void and 100 melee fire the skill will use both to do damage ,but since i am a void knight and my skill is void converted and most of my skill and passives are about boosting void damage ,the 100 fire damage wouldn't get enough scaling to be good

[night grotto]

Ahhhh that makes sense, thank you 😁

Also love the pfp and username

[austere frost]

Thank you may be cheesy but thats is my goated couple

[night grotto]

Happy and gahjeel are my favorite characters

I still gotta watch the newest series

[austere frost]

Gajeel gets so good by the end

[night grotto]

I'm quite new to the game so thanks for answering my question, do you mind if I ping you for any more I might have in the future?

[austere frost]

I will add that in this game a skill can let's say only by physical converted but you can just pump flat fire and pump fire damage from skills passive and you can scale the skill damage that way doesnt need to follow the skill conversion. Most skills have a very low base damage so you can make it do any damage you Want

[austere frost]

Yeah its ok anytime

[night grotto]

Okiiii dokiii

Thank you so much

[sturdy quest]

Hi，warpath or erasing strike? which build is stronger?

Anyways looking for an OP and somewhat easy to play build for sentinel this season. need to be meta.

[austere frost]

Both are op,warpath is better this season

[alpine canopy]

Well, one long skill use, but many hits

[turbid dome]

One loooooonngg skill use so only 1 healing hands on melee hit proc

[waxen nymph]

Smth that bother me is
If I want to do Divine Bolts, I want mad Ladle so because I can get Flat from HE. But then other skills don't have Flat Dmg

Maybe I go Divine Bolt non crit + Judgement Aura

Or I could go Exploding Ground

[sand wolf]

where do people get base crit chance for Divine Bolt and healing hands?

[sand wolf]

Wait so Divine bolt doesnt work from healing hands if i'm full hp?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

You need to heal yourself

Experimental affix on gloves, or Last Step of the living to start

[waxen nymph]

Scale of Eterra catalyst, or crystal Skull
3% in Paladin Tree
The Fire Amulet

[sand wolf]

i see a bunch of guides not using low hp builds, no % of current health lost per second
e.g. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1G9gEEB

[sleek bolt]

is rive pala that triggers healing hands still viable?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[alpine canopy]

In that build, divine bolt is just a lil extra spell for like 1 passive and 1 HH point, it's primarily a flame burst build

HH could be either spell or melee, up to preference. I think I did melee HH for more flame burst and smite procs on single targets, but iirc dps-wise they were fairly similar

(Granted, the last time I did this was before veng had 100% iron blades chance, so I reeeally wanted more melee hits, nowadays spell HH is probably better)

[waxen nymph]

WrongWarp + Palarus ?

[icy radish]

whats more important

[alpine canopy]

I'd probably use rune dagger + palarus or palarus (or just rune dagger if you want to go without smite) + shield for extra chonk, but totally up to preference. Main reason I don't like wands is they can't roll attack speed

[waxen nymph]

Like Dragorath + Palarus ?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, can't go wrong with a lego dragorath

[peak zodiac]

doesn’t this no longer work as of s3? kinda seemed like it killed divine bolt

[alpine canopy]

The thing they removed from that was the perma leech, but that never mattered for divine bolts

[grand stone]

quick question what is this at my top left corner? when I press 2 it toggles

[waxen nymph]

It's your minion stance

[alpine canopy]

Like Vlad said, shield = defensive, sword = aggressive.
Mostly seems to affect your minions' leashing distance, they get a longer leash when aggressive.

[dapper pond]

Kinda wish there was a 3rd minion stance - Passive - but you can't have everything 😉

[austere coral]

@waxen nymph 👆 can you do mod thing

[sand wolf]

guys, what, do you recon, would be a BIS weapon for this?

[waxen nymph]

Omnividence or mad Ladle

[austere frost]

It would be nice if devouring orb would get flat crit on its tree like smite does ,hard to cap crit before the rework of void knight passive

[turbid dome]

embrace the harby sceptre

the only spells that are good with it are vk's void spells anyways

oh no I lose like 40 flat spell damage compared to a regular sceptre... good thing I have like +140 flat damage from vitality (and if you need even more flat crit get the funny skull offhand)

🎉

[peak zodiac]

not too bad to cap crit for abyssal orb, i'm using ladle and a shield and have no problem capping crit

[turbid dome]

while entirely true, I always try to give scorn sceptre a shot

[opaque grotto]

Hello chaps, how do I setup a easy loot filter for making a pure fire paladin build for campaign?

[alpine canopy]

But getting a good nem base 😔

[hushed knoll]

are forged weapons bugged? i have bonuses that should amount to more than 10 but can only ever get 8?

[waxen nymph]

Can you generate them fast enough?

Mind sharing your planner, so we can check

[hushed knoll]

i have the extra nodes for generation and can only max out at 8

should be able to get 15+

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8xxnvnA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (15) / Forge Guard (53) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,352, Regen: 1,717.5/s
▸ Mana: 262.36, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 89%, Regen: 429/s
▸ Attributes: 37 Str / 71 Dex / 18 Int / 26 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 93% / 61% / 41% / 81% / 64% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 1,002
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (284)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,340)

Used skills:

Symbols of Hope / Forge Strike / Vengeance / Healing Hands / Manifest Armor

[hushed knoll]

thats close to what i have

[turbid dome]

Getting a good nemisus base is illegal

[tacit totem]

is the node covenant of light good in paladin tree ? feel very small for 5 point of passif

[waxen nymph]

I like it

Especially if you are using both Symbols and Aura

[tacit totem]

like 80/100 of paladin buildd

so its pretty mandatory ?

[waxen nymph]

Imo it's hard to beat, yeah

[tacit totem]

ok ty does multistrike sword iddol work with ssmite conveersion ?

[waxen nymph]

99% sure yes

[tacit totem]

ok will lokk for it ty

[waxen nymph]

Hum... I feel like there could be better idols

Playing Lightning Smite or Fire?

[sand wolf]

so healing hands paladin, right? is there any benefit for making it melee attack? does it scale better by any chance? maybe with some unique?
edit: Its amazing with Palarus's and smites on hit

[austere frost]

Long time ago it was the strongest way to scale healing hands as a dps skill that also would get you 50k ward like nothing and more ,nowdays skill is rather weak as a solo dps ability.

[sand wolf]

can healing hands proc itself if its used as main melee attack?

[austere frost]

Melee version was stronger than caster,it probably still is

[austere frost]

Pretty sure yes

Being a while since 1.0 but it worked like that before

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[waxen nymph]

One of the benefit of going melee is you can double with your melee scaling

Like you use Vengeance that proccs HH

And you get 2 Fire Melee Attack

Per use

[sand wolf]

huuuh

[waxen nymph]

Or you could use those double melee attack to proc Flame Burst twice as fast

And also take the Divine Bolts passives

[sand wolf]

do multistrike swords proc healing hands?

[waxen nymph]

Every melee attack does

But its once per USE

So if you click Multistrike once, you get one HH

No matter how many swords you get

[sand wolf]

can triggered Smite from Palarus echo?

[waxen nymph]

Noo only direct used skills can

Also, if you use Multistrike
And it echoes
You get all the Smites

[sand wolf]

wait i thought you mean HH procs 2 times per one use of vengeance

[waxen nymph]

No, 1 Vengeance = 1 HH

If you directly use Melee HH you can get another one for "free" though

[sand wolf]

how can a mutlistrike sword echo if its phys attack?

[waxen nymph]

"melee attacks"

They dont need to be void melee

just melee

Its spell that need to be void type

[junior wolf]

Hi, which affix is more important on this ring for judgment paladin? Healing effectiveness or ele DoT?

[sand wolf]

is everybody sleeping on the repeat effect? or triggered skils cannot be repeated?

[waxen nymph]

"When you directly use "

So no trigger, no echoes

[kindred geyser]

i think im super late to the party lol, but im having issues finding a leveling guide for warpath

[inner hedge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1mvhxnb/need_warpath_leveling_buildguidesuggestions/ first link from google

maxroll is good too

[sand wolf]

wdym by "leveling guide for a skill"

just level with whatever, rive+healing hands or multistrike+smite+healing hands in generally the easiest to start the season with, also paladin cause holy aura for resists, you can change class for gold

[kindred geyser]

i didnt mean the skill. i just meant a void knight leveling guide

when did they change that you could change ascendancy? thought once you picked that was the end all be all

[turbid dome]

They did add mastery respec

[waxen nymph]

Hum ... 1.2 I believe

Or maybe 1.3

[sand wolf]

dont level with void knight if its your season starter lulw

[waxen nymph]

Why ?

Its perfectly fine to lvl with

[kindred geyser]

i guess its been a bit since i played then lol. im used to having to find a levleing guide that matched my end game i wanted to play

[sand wolf]

i'd level void knight with healing hands either way

[inner hedge]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide

[kindred geyser]

i saw that one and figured it was going to take too long to get that weapon

ive never understood how to farm the timeline bosses to "target farm"

[inner hedge]

you kill them repeatedly? lol it's pretty easy, very easy to get world splitter. apathys is good too, or just a good exalted 2h axe

[kindred geyser]

its been awhile since i played

things are bound to have changed. im also used to other games like poe or diablo 4

[inner hedge]

if you understand end game Poe, this is much simpler

[sand wolf]

typically one uses an exalted item untill they can craft a good legendary

[inner hedge]

plenty of useable items before world splitter

[kindred geyser]

i mean i hopped off poe2 to come play this bc i was bored

[inner hedge]

well end game poe1, 2 is quite lacking

[kindred geyser]

i understand 2 at the least. 1 is still somewhat complicated

[inner hedge]

but I did just drop 250div on a staff

2 is comparable endgame to this

[kindred geyser]

so i should just use that pali guide to level then since i can change ascendancy now

[inner hedge]

that works, whatever you wanna do really

[kindred geyser]

oof. my buddy sold a jewel for 1200 yesterday

[kindred geyser]

you wanna run it w me? help speed through it?

[inner hedge]

I'm toast on last epoch for a bit, 6 100s and 400 hours this season

but next season is March 26th so you have time to get caught up

primordials / tier 8 stuff was the big stuff this season

[kindred geyser]

lets hope that i can get some stuff going before then. if im not going back and forth between poe2. tryna get temporalis

[waxen nymph]

Be careful, changing your mastery can be a bit costly
The price ramp up quite fast after lvl 50-60
And if its your 1st char, you might be too poor
Honestly just lvl as VK

[inner hedge]

vk is strong AF to start with, don't know what other guy was saying, I league started it this season

[turbid dome]

Vitality

[kindred geyser]

my only issue with doing that was the gearing. ik that it takes a lot of mana to use

and yes its my first character

[waxen nymph]

Dont take Warrior Fury

And go get Reckless Spin, so you can spin for free

Later on , you remove Reckless and get Warrior Fury

But you need like 400 Mana or so iirc

[kindred geyser]

its time to see how this is gonna work lol

[junior wolf]

shouldn't twisted heart of uhkeiros constantly generate ward if I'm spamming Judgement + Vengeance? They both have the Fire tag

it seems like it's not working, so as I already have the uber relic shattered worlds, I should just switch back to that, right?

[turbid dome]

twisted heart cares about directly casted elemental spells, not just the fire tag... I think judgement doesn't technically count as as a direct spell? cause its melee attack that triggers the spell part

vengeance isn't a spell so that shouldn't work

@waxen nymph I'm thinking about judgement + twisted heart correctly right?

[junior wolf]

makes sense. So it's only useful on the build for the +1 skill and the added HP and attack speed?

not the ward generation?

[turbid dome]

probably

if your build doesnt have a ton of ward retention anyways, the ward from it wouldn't help

[wooden mountain]

lots of builds use it just for the stats yeah

[junior wolf]

thanks.

For the Null Protent, which stats are important for rolls?

[turbid dome]

I aim for the increased health first and forestmost, 1% leech is more than enough for a late game build so those rolls aren't terribly important, leech rate is okay, phys res is okay

more importantly is making sure your resistance rolls (on other gear) are good to max out the less dmg taken

speaking of which, if you build can spare it, do the 15 point branch into vk's passive tree

[junior wolf]

okay, I see, I have 2 pages of 1LPs of this. I'll go for a +20% health and 36% phy res, and see what else I get

[turbid dome]

this is really good for 15 points to boost your defense

[junior wolf]

thanks

I'm at 82 now

lv82

so still need to max out the paladin trees

[turbid dome]

dark maw is the only %increased health before a mastery class cut off (in sentinel) and abyssal endurance is just generally good

[junior wolf]

my bottleneck is dmg mostly

[turbid dome]

yeah beefy boi judgement be like that

[junior wolf]

😄

[turbid dome]

it does eventually hit the point where its big dmg

also dont forget judgement's spell half gets flat damage from your healing effectiveness

[junior wolf]

this should do, right? 😄

[turbid dome]

thats a good roll on it yea

whatcha slammin into it

[junior wolf]

T7 mana on vengeance

that's what I should, right?

[austere frost]

Void knight is stronger than pally unless you are going to level up with hammer throw just level with void knight there is a 2 handed sword unique that if it drops your void knight just cruises through early game midgame

[austere frost]

Yep and when 2 lp you get increase hp

[turbid dome]

yea, then after with a 2lp aim for more beef

[junior wolf]

thanks!

As for SW, should I go with one that has +5% base crit? My current gloves make me unable to crit, but Immortal Vise will not. I'm asking because I have a few SWs, but I need them for other chars as well. So if this one doesn't need crit, I'll was a lower crit chance one on it

[turbid dome]

what are you scaling for damage on judgement

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[turbid dome]

the melee hit, spell damage, dot aura?

[waxen nymph]

Judgement is you using a melee attack

[junior wolf]

I'm following this guide https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/judgement-paladin-guide#skills-header

so tbh I don't know what I'm scaling xd I'm just adding the affixes

xd

[austere frost]

Consecrated aura,idk maybe one day they make one punch judgement viable again or the gloves no weapon

[turbid dome]

your scaling conq ground with that

[austere frost]

Elemental damage over time,healing effectiveness, attunment,fire damage affixes scale the build in that order priority ,melee attack speed very crucial as well

[turbid dome]

yeah you dont care for crits on that build

[junior wolf]

okay, thanks

[austere frost]

When you get t7 spell damage and t7 melee attack speed on sword rest of gear should be easy

[junior wolf]

i onlz have T7 melee attack speed on it

but I have a few more LP1s

is spell dmg more important?

[austere frost]

2 lp is pretty doable as it drops often ,the exalted with imprint is gonna be your only bottleneck you can get maybe if lucky a 3 lp unique thats doable as well

[kindred geyser]

i might have gotten it actually

[austere frost]

For now attack speed more relevant just work towards that

[waxen nymph]

I love that sword

[austere frost]

That's it gg go spun with vk

[waxen nymph]

Lvled my vk with a t7 flat void on it

[austere frost]

Other guy didn't know what was talking about lol

[waxen nymph]

Went smooth af

[kindred geyser]

thats what ive been doing so far. i was gonna ask eventually if the dmg of that falls off and i should go with a rare instead

[waxen nymph]

It will, but like far in monos

[austere frost]

Nope it will carry you until your apathy maw or a very good t7 exalted weapon

[waxen nymph]

I feel like you might get away with it like that until you get apathy or world splitter

[austere frost]

40 pen is huge for early monos

[kindred geyser]

for far my only issue is mana sustain

[waxen nymph]

Do you have warrior fury ?

[kindred geyser]

no

not high enough for that yet

when i asked what lvling i should use i had literally just made the character

[waxen nymph]

Ok, dont take it anyway

Its too hard to sustain early

[austere frost]

Warpath becomes free after you get the reduced mana cost then after good mana stacking you get warrior fury

[waxen nymph]

Go get Reckless Spin

[waxen nymph]

In 3 pts you get free warpath

[kindred geyser]

it wants me to take all 5 into the extra dmg then casting the aybssal echos

[austere frost]

No you dont cast abyssal echoes too much mana consume focus on damage modifiers for warpath

Later on sure beginning big no to abyssal echoes

[kindred geyser]

i think its doing that bc it assumes that im already lvl 70 and swapping to it

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide#skills-header
this is the guide that im following atm as im going through the campaign

[junior wolf]

ty!

I'm missing the Rahyeh's light shield. Can those be farmed from prophecies?

[austere frost]

Yes

[junior wolf]

any unique shield prophecy?

[austere frost]

Yes

[junior wolf]

ty

[austere frost]

Its a rarer shield but it will drop

[junior wolf]

I farmed many red rings so should be fine 😄

[kindred geyser]

when im waiting for mana regen what skill should i be using in the meantime? i currently have rive but dont know how to build it so im kinda just making it up

[west fractal]

Depends on you build but the answer is almost always “one of the four skills that base sentinel has a passive to make into a mana generator”

So multistrike, rive, smite, and vengeance iirc

Usually at least of one those will synergize with whatever you’re doing

[turbid dome]

dont forget the time and faith passive doesn't require you to hit things to get mana for using the 4 skills that trigger it

[kindred geyser]

that guide that i sent is the one that im leveling with in the campaign

[west fractal]

That build uses void well to sustain mana. If you’re not to that point yet you might just temporarily slot a mana gen skill and respec later

[kindred geyser]

not sure if im at that point yet. the oribiting orbs said something about a void essence and increased mana gen, but it doesnt feel like its doing anything really

[turbid dome]

devouring orbs has a node that grants you a void essence on it expiring -> void well consumes 3 void essences to get you some mana when you run out of mana

the loop works where your mana pool is big enough that the amount void well restores (which is a % of your max mana pool) is enough to keep killing stuff until void well happens again

[austere frost]

I would use vengeance in the meantime if you need fast mana hp refill damage reduction it gives and more damage are useful for now

[kindred geyser]

i think that im okay for now. i just got the even more reduced cost of WP

[kindred geyser]

does anyone know what the drop rate is for the world splitter? killed the boss 3 times now and nothing worth a damn lol

[waxen nymph]

You killed the harbinger in Empowered?

[kindred geyser]

on normal first bc i thought it would be an easy drop and then one on 14 corrupt
3 normal and 1 corrupt

haven’t found another helmet to replace my t4 reduce mana thing either, so still no extra dmg yet

i’m also not mentally prepared to do the dungeon for legendary upgrades either. hate that dungeon w a passion

[waxen nymph]

World Splitter only drops from the harbinger

And the black sun harbinger can only be access in Empowered

[alpine sage]

Just want to ask one thing: In non-minion builds, which is better for forge guard and which is better for paladin? Since I see that some build like ignite shield rush and shield bash is used by forge guard in maxroll while javelin or hammer is used by paladin.

[kindred geyser]

you mean empowered like completing all the islands once full right

[alpine canopy]

In general, pally is "better". Shield bash is on FG because using 2h + shield is very good for it, and only FG can do that. I'm not sure why they did FG for shield rush ignite, maybe they just wanted more builds for FG on the site.

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[waxen nymph]

Paladin and Forge Guard have a lot of builds in common.
Usually Paladin is more dmg
And FG can get block with a 2h, so often you end up a bit tankier

[kindred geyser]

damn :/ i’ve got a way to go then. do you know if someone is able to take me into the empowered fight if i don’t have it unlocked yet? kinda like ferrying

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, you can party and tp to the lvl 90 timeline

But iirc it's your first character, so I would advise you notto do that

Take your time and enjoy the process

[kindred geyser]

i’m still gonna play the game regardless. just don’t want to limit myself. that and i generally hate playing alone lol. i just wanted a decent weapon to start farming with

[kindred geyser]

iirc?

[waxen nymph]

If I Recall/Remember Correctly

[kindred geyser]

ahhhhh. first character this season. i’ve never actually obtained items i really wanted bc farming was extremely cancer

so once i get the empowered time lines do i need to try and push higher corruption?

[waxen nymph]

No

Go to Black Sun at 100C

And farm the boss + Harbinger there

[kindred geyser]

i looked up a video last night abt it. should i use the spider web thing introduced from last season

i don’t need an LP one quite yet. just one to get the ball rolling yk

[waxen nymph]

Unlock it fast by doing a cemetary so you can start lvl it up

[kindred geyser]

wdym

i barely did it the other season bc i was confused. guess ill look up other videos on how to juice the monos and get xp/ good loot

[manic cradle]

I created a new meme build that turned out not so bad... Lava Burst Forge Guard utilizing Primal Cadence primordial. Currently at 500c and it has really good clear speed. If anyone has any tips on what to improve, here is a gameplay video and linked build planner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGU2fD7ZH2w

[loud quest]

Splitter also on Aberroth and Uber's loot tables, just not as common

[turbid dome]

my first thing to look at is the amulet

theres probs a better amulet than the rift beast one

like a solid nihilis

[kindred geyser]

i did see that in some of my research. don’t think i’ve ever ran aberroth before so i wouldn’t know how to start it up

[loud quest]

You'll get there! If you want to get a quick LP1 Splitter, holler at me tonight.

[hybrid crown]

you'd have to fix up defences and I'm not sure aboutr crit, but you could run +4 shield throw on helm, get the block -> dmg nodes, remove the fraility/armour shred points as you have sufficient chance from what I can tell, then 1 point from the stolen armor and get the more fire damage in tree to look like the below tree. That should be more dmg. You could also run a single smite on throwing hit idol and take smite over forge strike, think it gives you more with attack speed and also scales with everything you scale lava burst with. idk what your armor is at, but it's likely near cap even without the armor blessing, could run fire res shred blessing and take Health or spell crit on amulet to ensure you cap crit.

oh guess you'd have to fix res with the block node too

[waxen nymph]

I mean yes, but they haven't reach empowered yet.

[kindred geyser]

yes please. i just want a starter one to use and farm with. i’ll be on around 10pm cst

[junior wolf]

for judgment paladin, should I only be using healing effectiveness idols for the 1x1s, or can I use ones that give health regen?

I'm doing this build https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/judgement-paladin-guide#skills-header

[waxen nymph]

Healing Effectiveness is better

Because it gives you
Flat Spell
Fire Pen
And sustain with extra healing

[junior wolf]

Thank you!

[alpine sage]

Hi guy, when you do warpath+smite paladin, does most of the damage comes from smite or warpath?

[austere frost]

Smite should be, paladin warpath its okay damage

[alpine sage]

Also, idk but is the damage of smite there somewhat weak? I feel like smite build in general is not very strong

[alpine sage]

Btw might I ask which weapon is the best for warpath void knight? I saw some guys killing uberroth in like 25 secs using clotho's needle but require insane snapshotting in fight. I wonder why using clotho's needle in that case. If you have like 1200 mana then world splitter gives you 120% crit multiplier when clotho give you 90% at most. Also world splitter gives more void damage than clotho. So why is it the case?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1p1jy30/warpath_void_knight_26s_uber_abberoth/&ved=2ahUKEwiy0c3ppoiSAxXhma8BHYU7CdMQwqsBegQIGRAB&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw0onWheFT3jj84kRnUslH5j

[inner hedge]

that link is broke, but it might be from last season when clothos was best in slot granted you could find a good one. 2h axe is way better now.

[tame oasis]

https://youtu.be/Vd6UtMmsepc?si=bYtPyXqqfNTHRBbj its this one

[tame oasis]

Both weapons are not really far off each other in terms of flat melee damage. Its around 20 flat dmg difference. If i were to use world splitter with att speed it would probably be like a 50% crit multi or so difference. But really the big thing about clotho is the attack speed rate of it being 1.1 while ws is 0.89. So any increased attack speed scales better with a higher att rate and the fact that warpath hits at twice attack rate so you’re getting way more hits per swings than a ws

But i’d probably say stick with worldsplitter if you can’t do the item switching and applying all the buffs every few seconds mid spin

[inner hedge]

lp1 world splitter is much easier to aquire than a good rolled clothos, you'll have 4 tabs of shit rolled clothos before you find a good one.

[tame oasis]

More like 30 lol

But yah clothos is aids to get

[inner hedge]

it's painful lol

[manic cradle]

Does block -> dmg node scale also lava burst dmg? Or just shield throw

I replaced forge strike with smite and you’re absoluty right. It greatly boosted throwing speed. Fully buffed I’m currently at 4 throws / second. Smite also further improved the clear speed and I pretty much instantly delete everything on the screen at 700c

[waxen nymph]

It does apply to Lava Burst hit dmg (useless if you do ailment dmg for exemple)

[hybrid crown]

Yesss, happy to hear. Now just gotta get the gear ot go for the more dmg nodes and you'll be crushing

[alpine sage]

Yes

I would like to ask how did swapping like that insanely increase damage while keep equipping world splitter can't do so?

[alpine sage]

Just want to ask: Is paladin or forge guard better for this one? Since I saw that maxroll has a paladin ver for this.

[waxen nymph]

Lava Burst Spell Shield Throw ?

Paladin any day

[tame oasis]

because im applying buffs after buffs mid spin from items that have an on potion use or on hit effect

you can do the switching with ws too but clothos is the superior weapon if you do that

[alpine sage]

So the only thing forge guard better is shield bash and minion?

[alpine sage]

Nah, I guess I will just spin like normal. Too much brain needed in switching.

[waxen nymph]

Shield Throw as phys Throwing Dmg, is arguably better on FG

Javelin, has a nice setup too

[alpine canopy]

FG also is the best dex stacking sent mastery, if you're into meme builds

[alpine sage]

Hmm, are there any good fire paladin build that is not judgement?

Just tried fire shield throw offline, it sucks against uberroth even with insane scaling from damage reflected

[alpine sage]

Judgement paladin is much harder against uberroth now because you need to melee him and your fragility stacks insanely high if you do so.

[waxen nymph]

Wait a minute

Weren't you talking a Spell Shield throw?

[waxen nymph]

Vengeance + HH

[alpine sage]

what is HH?

ah healing hand.

[alpine sage]

huh, shield throw is not a spell?

Just normal throwing

damage is just similar to judgement, but more mobility and faster clear

I need a much stronger fire paladin

at least can be weaker than javelin a bit

Hi @real token, so far I have watched your crit, bleed hammerdin and shield throw paladin on maxroll. Among of them, which one do you think that deals most dps?

[waxen nymph]

Oh wait, sorry.
I got confused by you and Marek

[alpine sage]

so, for HH, do you goes full melee for proc divine bolt? How is dps like?

[waxen nymph]

I think full melee is better

[alpine sage]

I tried judgement, warpath+smite and shield throw. All of them deal similar damage tbh

[waxen nymph]

Divine Bolts are a trap

[alpine sage]

looking for something better

[waxen nymph]

Go check mistia on yt

She made some amazing "off meta" Uber kills

Like a crazy lightning Javelin

Are you looking for smth fire specifically?

[alpine sage]

yes

I got lightning javelin paladin already

it's the best dps paladin build

but well, I want to try more fire builds

since paladin has a lot of thing supporting fire but it's weird to not find any good fire-based builds

two paladin builds, one for lightning and one for fire is the best

[waxen nymph]

Stuffs that I know are strong are

• Rive/Vengeance + HH (melee)
• Divine Bolts (but bossing is kinda meh)
• Judgement Ground stacking
• Judgement Aura
• Shield Throw (the throw version is better than spell but spell is decent)

[alpine sage]

I tested judgement+shield throws+fire warpath so far. Damage is similar

[alpine sage]

Ah no

I forgot the throne of ambition for my shield throw paladin

Now it is a bit stronger

[austere frost]

Healing hands divine bolts was great now days after nerf to flat they don't do great damage the other skill is supposed to do heavy lifting, specially seing healing effectiveness nerfed with affixes giving less of it

[alpine sage]

just want to ask guy, how do you fight against a shade of orobyss that use this spell combo in high corruption?

[manic cradle]

@waxen nymph @hybrid crown thanks for the suggestions! I applied them and also managed to get a few good slams for the build. single target is currently through the roof. I'm able to kill t4 julra in 2s

[hybrid crown]

no problem, love maximizing builds and helping out!

[turbid dome]

dodge the projectiles while staying in my triangle of safety from the star pattern shot

[alpine sage]

that's is much harder when actually do it. After I finished dodging the meteors the black holes immediately shoot stars and every objective (star, meteor) can one shot me.

It's very hard to dodge this combo.

[turbid dome]

If your having troubles dodging everything put rebuke onto your skill bar

Don’t spec it just put it there and use it when your gonna get hit by it

80% damage reduction will let you tank it… just time the usage of rebuke

If you die through rebuke… your build need more not die

[alpine sage]

Hi guy, I took a look at maxroll's shield bash forge guard build and saw that the "wall of solarum" node gives 30% block chance. However, in game, that node only gives 3% block chance. Is there some mistake here?

[waxen nymph]

Looks like it

[alpine sage]

just move from forged weapon to shield bash offline and now I regret ever trying to use forged weapon

[manic cradle]

@waxen nymph @hybrid crown my updated lava burst, including your suggestions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lw6gj3QLzA

1500c feels like a breeze

[waxen nymph]

Thx for the ping

Wow, I am very surprised

You are not running a Wand or a sceptre

Dmg is sweet

I guess you still get 100 Flat

Spell FG is alive !!!

[manic cradle]

^^

[waxen nymph]

Is that you ?

[manic cradle]

yes

[waxen nymph]

AH !!

Make sense

I would have been really surprised to meet 2 Spell Axe FG lava burst in like 2 days ^^

Thats even rarer than a 3lp Red ring ^^

[manic cradle]

hahaha

I have one more idea for spell FG, but most likely it will be a little bit weaker

multistrike -> smite. With the same gear, different slams

[waxen nymph]

Oo

I thought you were going to say Furnace Smelter Wrath ^^

[manic cradle]

haha, no, just no smelter wrath 😄

[alpine sage]

hmm, just want to ask, does the ring of shield buff provides significant damage to it?

since I'm not sure about it vs the pure paladin throw version

[manic cradle]

it gives 30 flat spell dmg, so it's around 30% more dmg

[waxen nymph]

15 flat spell

[manic cradle]

ah yes - 15 so 15% 🙂

also boosts my block dmg reduction from 50% to 63%

[alpine sage]

hmm paladin can have 48% more fire damage from firetorch and 15% more damage at full health

[manic cradle]

Vlad, I have 1 more question to you. Let's say that I use multistrike to trigger smite... does smite benefit from increased dmg in multistrike tree?

[manic cradle]

but doesn't get flat spell dmg from the idols

that's the biggest difference

[alpine sage]

Idk I go for throwing damage

not spell damage

[waxen nymph]

No

[manic cradle]

i think, single target dmg output is similar from what ive seen on various different videos

but clear speed is better with axe due to special affix

[alpine sage]

one throwing damage affix is more that the spell damage in the idols

[manic cradle]

it's a bit stronger than spreading flames

true, but it also deppens on other increases and multipliers... i only compared the build with Volca's on maxroll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_j2OgTnbts&t=93s

its around 25s aberroth kill

it's the same for axe fg version

i think both variants are very close, cant tell easily which one is stronger

[alpine sage]

hmm interesting

[manic cradle]

but paladin is definately much easier to gear

getting those t6-t7 enchants on 5 relics is crazy

i had already 2 ready from the previous char... getting another 3 happened in exactly the same time as i was leveling a new char to 100

[waxen nymph]

Thoughts on Throne of Ambition?

[alpine sage]

oh I almost forgot

forge guard has no clean fragility vs uberroth

paladin has holy aura

but still I feel like that the build belongs to forge guard more

[waxen nymph]

Wait a minute

[manic cradle]

well, paladin is just overall a stronger ascendency

[waxen nymph]

He is playing Throw Hit not Spell Hit

I wonder what kind of Dmg you would get by playing Throw Hit

Hum I just dropped a 3lp Firestarter

Maybe Ill try it ^^

[alpine sage]

we get a lot of flat throwing damage affixes

and the shield throw damage scales with damage reflected to attacker

don't know if that applies to lava burst

because it is a spell damage

[waxen nymph]

No because that gives Flat Throw

[alpine sage]

that can be used 4 times

but uberroth fight is pretty long

you need much more than 4 potions

[manic cradle]

it's also possible to make a variant of this build with Spine of Malatros

+3 Fire Skills

and flat spell

• fire skills can be used to for crit chance

for FG version

and then you can get primordial affix elsewhere

e.g. relic, to improve idols

tho idols wont give that much fire spell power any more , cause its not 2h axe

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle Just want to ask, what is the dps of your lava burst?

[manic cradle]

the main reason i went with spell dmg, is because of the idols, and because of julra rings. with +35% inc attack speed and almost 200% inc spell dmg, multyping it by 3, gives us crazy burst

i can kill dummy in about 70s last i checked

so around 14m dps

[alpine sage]

boss dummy?

[manic cradle]

yes

[waxen nymph]

You do generate potions during the fight

[manic cradle]

one advantage of lava burst that I forgot to mention:
it doesn't have to hit the enemy. it can just richocket from shields

and thats enough to trigger dmg

normal shield throw needs to actually hit the enemy

[alpine sage]

hmm, wow I did not know that until now

what is the percentage of boss dropping potion when hit?

[waxen nymph]

That is very true

When you go on top of a mob a'd get 4 bounces on RoS

[manic cradle]

400% more dmg 😄

[waxen nymph]

The less potion you have the more chance you have

I dont know the value
I am not sure they have been shared

[waxen nymph]

Maths are mathing, boys

[alpine sage]

hmm, my offline paladin with maxed offensive gear takes 38 secs. But if I use julra's ring I will lose a lot of tankiness so not sure if I will use it.

result above is maxed gear

so yours might have similar result idk

[alpine canopy]

It's a bit complicated, there's the small chance to drop them when damaging a boss which is greatly reduced when you're full on potions, but then also slightly reduced if there's any nearby potions on the ground and reduced ever further if there are at least enough nearby potions to bring you to full potions. Then, overall, there is a rate limit. Some of those modifiers have been shared, but I'm away from my computer right now.

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle is the shield spike node necessary?

Since you are dealing spell damage anyway

Ah sry that was hit damage

Not throw damage

@manic cradle how about using the razorfall boot and get a t6 level of shield throw while using pyre of affliction?

You get +4 to shield throw skill while having a good axe

[manic cradle]

that def works, but we will need a little bit more crit chance somewhere to cap it

it may have a higher dmg ceiling

but it makes everything even more difficult to minmax 🙂

unless... we slam T7 crit chance + T7 crit multi on pyre...

with the amount of extra flat spell dmg it will be better

on it own. even without +6 on the helmet 🙂

[alpine sage]

I saw a shard that increases shield throw crit chance

is lava burst affected by it too?

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle so slam a t7 shield throw crit chance armor and helmet and you might cap crit

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle Just tested the forge guard version offline. It does the same damage as the paladin ver

Crit chance can be capped by having two t7 shield throw crit chance

and you can replace swadding of the erased for more damage if you experiment offline

use nihillis instead of the current amulet for more skills

forge guard version might be a bit tankier than paladin version I think

I got a little more hp, armor and more block chance, block effectiveness

but optimal damage against boss require to stay in melee range

because the shield will bounce between your summoned ring of shields

so we need to stay melee in boss so that the explosions will overlap

[manic cradle]

don't we sacrifice a lot of hp in doing that?

[alpine sage]

yeah that require some intense farming

but you got a damage reflected to attacker affix there

[manic cradle]

can I see the planner you used? I'm very curious 🙂

[alpine sage]

replace it with shield throw crit

warning: I'm using maxed gear offline for experiment

you might not want that

[manic cradle]

haha, I have 4xt7 chest, so can get the triple exalted, but farming another 3lp mantle is painful

i already failed the slam twice 😄

[alpine sage]

you also replace the vitality shard in your helmet

can I send it in private since I heard that this discord discourages sending maxed gear offline

which is basically cheating because it is not wrong to say so

[manic cradle]

oki

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (62) / Paladin (26)

General:

▸ Health: 4,765, Regen: 272.7/s
▸ Mana: 278.33, Regen: 17.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 112 Str / 34 Dex / 22 Int / 59 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 156% / 89% / 89% / 132% / 117% / 96% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,240
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (136)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (13,630)
▸ Block Chance: 104%, Mitigation: 68% (4,395)

Used skills:

Symbols of Hope / Shield Throw / Ring Of Shields / Manifest Armor / Smite

[alpine sage]

woops

@manic cradle woops forgot to send privately

anyway it's not a big matter

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3Z46zJR

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (62) / Paladin (26)

General:

▸ Health: 4,765, Regen: 272.7/s
▸ Mana: 278.33, Regen: 17.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 112 Str / 34 Dex / 22 Int / 59 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 156% / 89% / 89% / 132% / 117% / 96% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,240
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (136)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (13,630)
▸ Block Chance: 104%, Mitigation: 68% (4,395)

Used skills:

Symbols of Hope / Shield Throw / Ring Of Shields / Manifest Armor / Smite

[alpine sage]

I use them for experiment

idols are the same as you

ignore all the suffixes if you want since the prefixes are more important

you can replace the helmet vitality and the chest damage reflect affix for t7 added shield throw crit chance

and slam a t4-t5 health chest

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle changed from primal cadence to pyre of affliction reduced dummy time from 36 sec to 26 sec with max gear

[manic cradle]

yeh, it makes sense. it's much more flat spell dmg

why did you choose to use crab ring?

[alpine sage]

faster speed.

and more survival for mainfested armor

and myself

It adds 30% armor for me and my minion

[manic cradle]

speed I understand, but armor shouldn't be a problem, no? shield throw leeches so much of it, that you should be at 85% cap or close to it most of the time

[alpine sage]

Yeah, make sense :)))

But I think at this stage we are tanky enough that we don't need red ring

But it stills give minion armor

[manic cradle]

I also realised just now

[alpine sage]

So I don't have to revive it often

[manic cradle]

we could swap boots for Advent of the Erased for bossing

[alpine sage]

Huh you mean gloves?

[manic cradle]

its' 35% less dot

no, the boots

[alpine sage]

Ah boots

[manic cradle]

i used blood of the exile only for it's movespeed

[alpine sage]

That is insane tankiness

I use razor for skills

I think the forge guard skill tree has some nodes that reduce dot

And can find reduce dot in idols too

[manic cradle]

yes

[alpine sage]

At least I tanked all dot while fighting uberroth

[manic cradle]

I think im already at 40% reduced dot now

[alpine sage]

Except ground of destruction

[manic cradle]

additional 35% though...

[alpine sage]

And laser of death

[manic cradle]

also, I also tried a variant with Decayed Skull as a helmet. It also worked really well

[alpine sage]

This class can also easily facetank shade

Anyway, it depends on how you want to cap crit

It is possible to have 4 more nodes

To replace the current axe with pyre of affliction

[alpine sage]

That skull is also insane too

Infernal shade necro uses it I remember

[manic cradle]

there's also a variant with a different shield possible. Face of the Mountain.

and scaling endurance

which converts to block chance

which gives more % dmg

[alpine sage]

Idk do we need to sacrifice a lot of health for that?

[manic cradle]

yes, probably

[alpine sage]

I don't want to lose tankiness

This build relies on its tankiness to survive against bosses

But I think I can fix some health prefix to stack some endurance

@manic cradle nah it's not worthy

the raw 19% block chance of sigeon is huge

you need quite a lot of endurance to pass that

[manic cradle]

I started writing a build guide yesterday on lastepoch tools. I will base it on my version, but is it ok if I put your Pyre of Affliction version as minmaxed variant? I will obviously give you credit 🙂

[alpine sage]

ah I don't need credit

just want to try that build

anyway I will try the endurance to see whether it is good. Thanks for suggestion

just put the pyre axe for minimax

and recomend people using shield throw crit chance shard if they want that axe

no need to credit for anything

[waxen nymph]

Speaking of the endurance version, I am not sure you get benefit for going over 100% block

You would have to try (easy enough I guess in offline 😉)

[alpine sage]

hmm, it seems that endurance made thing worse

you lose 2 nodes that give +6% damage and a ricochet node

and our damage needs the shield to richochet on as many mainfested shields as possible to trigger a lot of explosions

[waxen nymph]

Good thing with Pyre is you get a lot of self ignite > Easy stacks on Immolator

[alpine sage]

i just tested by adding two richochet nodes that cost more mana (without removing other nodes) and the damage is indeed better

also I suggest you try uberroth when you have good gear (like pyre and shield throw crit chance) because you tanked shade of orobyss at 1500+ corruption already so you should have no problem tanking uberroth. However the fight might be sleepy because you are basically facetanking and wait for him to die from your damage.

[alpine sage]

btw @manic cradle you might want to include this in your guide. I learned it the hard way when trying dummy.

[hybrid crown]

I thought about some silly place at cursor ring of shields shenanigans for single target

Since you’re bouncing off allies that would give you more procs on ST but make it a 2 button combo at that point.

[waxen nymph]

If you have that node and the passive that give RoS on block, do they spawn on your cursor on block?

And also does this get refreshed by procc RoS?

[alpine sage]

auto cast?

I mean we have numlock stuff so it's a 1 button only

[alpine sage]

have not tested this one

but it should since it does not have the word "directly"

btw, endurance stacking does work

just minmaxed this evening

can still tank everything :)))

at 2k corruption

even shades

[hybrid crown]

you get the damage for uncapped block?

that's nice to know actually

[alpine sage]

well that's actually a lot

when forcing to remove 3 nodes, never ever remove the ricochet node

[manic cradle]

I was considering for uber abby setup. So we don't have to stay in his range

[manic cradle]

no idea, but I hope so

[alpine sage]

hmm, I might be misunderstanding @hybrid crown 's meaning but what is cursor ring of shields?

I thought it was simple casting ring of shields

do you mean the "displacement" node?

[hybrid crown]

correct

it means you don't have to be in melee range to have the shield ricochet

[alpine sage]

hmm that's nice

just tried it

you can use auto cast

but sometimes you would still want move your cursor to you

so that you got some shields near you for increased block effectiveness

for crit chance multi

the cost is that you will lost 10% increased block effectiveness

since I removed three useless nodes and one "sturdy shield" node

[manic cradle]

I just dropped this, I might consider farming another 3lp mantle and try to slam it 😄

[turbid dome]

[alpine sage]

that only work with the throw version

[waxen nymph]

I am 99.99 % Lava Burst gets it too

It's a subskill

It inherits everything it can from Shield Throw

Ooohh

It's Throw Crit Chance

Mb

[manic cradle]

ah :/

@alpine sage I found an interesting way to survive high corruption orobyss fights

im hiding behind manifest armor 😄

[alpine sage]

:)))

btw are you also the guy who made a forged weapon build?

[manic cradle]

yes

[alpine sage]

how do you feel about its dps? Compared to other forge guard and pally build?

I tried a fire version and saw that its dps is okay but not very tanky without shield, while using shield will lose 20% dps

for me the huge problem with this build is that it scales too much with weapon

so if you got a good 5 t7 and 1 t8 weapon then your minion are very good otherwise they are not

and the build not as tanky as shield bash and possibly shield throw

due to less armor and block chance

[alpine sage]

and getting such weapon is realistically impossible

also, how do you think about the fire vs physical version?

fire version can get buff by void cleave but might be more difficult to play

while physical get buff by dinosaur but the buff might not as good as void cleave

[austere frost]

Void cleave buff is way better than going trex and yes getting a t8 weapon with t7 flat or attack speed is hard but definitely worth it to scale damage

[alpine sage]

you need at least: t8 fire pen, t7 attack speed, t7 flat fire melee, t7 flat melee crit

optional: t7 minion melee and spell and t7 shred armor

those two can t5

[austere frost]

Nah you doing offline you dont need that much to get forged weapons rolling

[alpine sage]

otheriwse the build is bad

[austere frost]

You gotta be realistic

Forge weapons should scale with streng not attunment thats an oversight attunment is a very weak stat and doesnt make sense

[alpine sage]

I mean if you play online, then it is very hard to make the build good

[alpine sage]

because of this

[austere frost]

Also they should get a buff to their innate damage they should get 60%more damage at least instead of the 25% they get and maybe also have 50%more attack speed innate

Most people play online ,you gotta be realistic cause anyone can 4 t7 every slot in offline that aint realistic

[alpine sage]

tbh I don't know how can we fix the skill

[austere frost]

It scales fine but is not uber viable until they really buff the minions of Sentinel

[alpine sage]

the skill's dps is not very good online

[austere frost]

I told you start buffing the innate stats of forgeweapons

Then make them scale of streng

Buff

[alpine sage]

oh yeah I almost forgot

[austere frost]

Either make big changes or start buffing every single thing in forge strike that affects forge weapons

[alpine sage]

strength give you armor

forged weapon tanking is not good compared to others

[austere frost]

2 mana rather useless as a stat is the worse stat in the game

Because who wants to stack attunment

[alpine sage]

reflect build and annointed paladin

[austere frost]

Bear stacks streng thats good you are incentive to scale that stat

[austere frost]

This unique and dont care about 2 mana

Forgeguard already gets big strength in its tree its worth more

[alpine sage]

but tbh every mana stacking class don't need attunement to have mana

except annointed paladin using the primodial staff

[austere frost]

Because the stat doesn't do anything if it would give percent mana or idk 5 mana per attunment maybe worth as a stat

[alpine sage]

tbh I really want a good uber viable forged weapon build

online

[austere frost]

Abomination double more damage scaling

Def need at least 60% for forge weapons to start the scaling well

[austere frost]

Maybe in 3 patches they touch that for now its nowhere in the works sadly

[alpine sage]

so far shield bash and shield throw forge guard seems good

shield throw (lava burst) version is actually very tanky

[austere frost]

Problem with forgeguard is that void knight and paladin do better melee style and paladin is a better throwing user so forgeguard has minions left and shield which they aint bonkers

[alpine sage]

idk but lava burst forge guard's damage is similar to fire shield throw paladin version

idk how

other than that paladin is better except shield bash

[austere frost]

Yeah but how are they compared to javelin forgeguard and paladin ,paladin sweeps and i think that is the stronger throwing build anyway

[alpine sage]

javelin should go full paladin

literally no reason to go forge guard

for shield throw, paladin should go pure throwing while forge guard should go pure spell I think

forge guard let you have better block chance and effectiveness

which also increases damage

while paladin allows directly increasing damage

[austere frost]

If void hammer throw would scale with the more damage on the skill tree ,that would be an awesome build sadly no full conversion and I hate subskills that dont scale with everything on the skill tree they are part off

[alpine sage]

i choose forguard for shield throw since it feels more class identity

[alpine sage]

I want a fire hammerdin

[waxen nymph]

Aren't most of the node in HT generic enough to scale Disintegrating Aura?

[austere frost]

I swear we are missing a ton of conversions in this game gimme void healing hands or multistrike void

[waxen nymph]

I would love some Lightning Conversion for some melee skills

[austere frost]

Maybe i am wrong but it doesn't scale with more damage that doesn't state disintegrating aura

On the skill tree

Lightning should be more prominent as well

[manic cradle]

Sierpin's Fractal is the way.... 3lp or even 2lp can carry you up to 1000c easily

all the timeline bosses are also relatively easy... but uberroth is extremaly difficult on this build

probably possible... i got him down to 50% a couple of times before I died.

And then simply run out of patience

[manic cradle]

re, throwing. you can also do void spell shield throw

1x3 relic converts shield throw to void

tho, I don't know if it correctly converts the subskill, resistance shred etc.

[austere frost]

Most time they don't 🥲

Yeah idk it would be cool to either get full hammer throw hit void conversion build or actually make dot disintegrating aura very strong ,it was ok in 1.0

[waxen nymph]

Humm

Pretty sure it does despite what's written

Like how the double Dmg node in fact works

[austere frost]

You get at most 75 and 18 and idk 125 its not enough to make it strong

Tooltips in this game man are really hard to understand how everything works correctly

[alpine sage]

minion die too fast or not tanky enough?

[waxen nymph]

True
And also they are sometime wrong

[alpine sage]

since forge weapon does not have stolen armor or insance block from shield bash for shield throw

[waxen nymph]

I don't think it does

[waxen nymph]

It should be easy enough to check though

[alpine sage]

yeah just checked again @austere frost lava burst forge guard version has 1 second dps better than shield throw paladin version (22 sec vs 23 sec). So they are roughly the same damage and tankiness, which makes me have mixed feeling

since most of the skills are forge guard based but paladin can do the same

[manic cradle]

not enough dmg... maybe 8-10m dps

minion sustain is actually quite ok

[alpine sage]

that's too low then

[manic cradle]

but it can be triggered by vengeance

which gives a little bit more dmg reduction

[alpine sage]

but right now is it better or worse than shield lava burst?

[manic cradle]

i'd argue that my fg forged weapons build is a bit tankier thank spell shield throw

just because of vengeance

[alpine sage]

oh I forgot vengeance

hmm

[manic cradle]

number 1 fg build on the ladder is also quite interesting

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/GreatMaster/character/ForgeGod

[alpine sage]

mainfest armor?

[manic cradle]

yeh, with bleed

[alpine sage]

but it sucks for farming right?

[manic cradle]

i dont think so

you can apply bleed instantly with abbysal echoes

[alpine sage]

huh, you will apply the bleed

but where does most of the damage come from? you or the armor?

for clearing

I don't quite get the build very much

[manic cradle]

you throw shield at manifest armor

each time its hit it performs swipe

[waxen nymph]

Looks like it's more a Manifest Armor than you build

ST doesnt have any More Dmg node taken

[manic cradle]

and carrion of creation primordial blood explosions

definately

its actually exremaly smart build

its a greatly improved version of the ma bleed build from dreadful

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle I see

you throw the shield at the armor

then the armor attacks the enemies

and enemies are bleed to death

[manic cradle]

and the best thing is the relic

at first I was like, wtf

but then I noticed that it has minion leech

[alpine sage]

my question is, how strong is the bleed there?

since I tried a chaos bolt lich

the damage was good actually

but it takes a lot of health scaling using a grave for two

there I don't see any thing that allows insane scaling damage with bleed like that

[manic cradle]

look at all the modifiers on the chest and helmet

bleed armor gets 240% of that

and the gloves

and on top of that 100% of weapon

and on top of that it has 150% more dmg

this guy built number 1 fg 2 seasons in a row in ladder

previous season he reached almost 3000 🤣

arena*

[waxen nymph]

It's pretty smart indeed, also gives crit immunity to MA

Farming this is insane

Nemesis base with t7+t6

[alpine sage]

that's too op

[waxen nymph]

Feels like it must be a good boss killer too

Not sure about mapping

Only thing I don't understand about the build is why go with 5 AE

[alpine sage]

what is AE?

[waxen nymph]

Abyssal Echoes

They go screaming rift for 5 echoes, but they can't pop they

[manic cradle]

I'm not sure I understand you

they take AE for Sanguine Eruption, no?

cause those MA bleeds have probably ~20s duration

it also gives ~40% more dmg between other nodes

actually more - 20% more attack speed, 24% more dot taken, -10% phys res

[peak zodiac]

MA is op for bossing but it’s meh for mapping

also you can snapshot it to do some really ridiculous stuff and considering that player has played MA snapshot in the past i’m surprised they’re not now

[waxen nymph]

Did it not get fixed?

[waxen nymph]

I don't understand why they took those

[peak zodiac]

you can’t snapshot stuff like amulet, rings, relic, idols anymore but you can snapshot the gear that MA “wears” and you can get a lot more damage and tankiness from doing so

[kindred geyser]

quick question for yall. on this build it wants the crab ring. is that ring really necessary, or could i use a different ring entirely

[waxen nymph]

You could probably use smth else but crab ring is really nice
Armor, minion armor
Ms
All Attribute (for life with Vita)
Low lpl

[kindred geyser]

im trying to figure out how to hit 500 or so mana so that i can can use the mana abuser passive

i have a t6 reduced on helm and i was doing less dmg with it than just not using it

[turbid dome]

wtf good nemisus item?

[peak zodiac]

and although it’s a good ring on any build, it’s especially excellent on warpath because the only negative (losing your evade) has litwrally no effect on warpath

[kindred geyser]

interesting

[alpine sage]

Hmm if they are so OP why don't I see anyone doing high corruption or uberroth with them?

[peak zodiac]

mediocre/bad mapping, incentivizes snapshotting, clunky playstyle, not on maxroll

[alpine sage]

Abomination and bear has bađ mapping too

But many people play them

[peak zodiac]

because they're in the hundreds of millions of dps even with mid gear and are promoted as being some of the strongest builds of the season by high profile content creators and sites (rightfully so)

abom has some optional snapshotting but not many people do it and bear doesn't have snapshotting either, and most people dislike snapshotting

[alpine sage]

Hmm, so mainfest armor is good for bossing but not as good as them?

Since Idk if they have been nerfed

[peak zodiac]

yea i mean it’s not as good as bear/abom/flay, it still does a ton of damage while being able to reach truly absurd levels of tankiness

[alpine sage]

@peak zodiac btw I think the primodial gloves in this build helps better aoe

[alpine sage]

@manic cradle after experimenting and minmaxing offline I think if possible you may go for the "lethal strike" node to achieve even better dps. That node is a huge boost. My offline experimented character is here. Idol is just 4 idols give spell damage with axe and shield, 1 throne of ambition and 1 idol that proc smite https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8332wX5

Now the build is no meme build anymore :)))

It is a very good build by going for pyre axe, stack endurance and stack strength. Perfect rolled build can kill boss dummy in 17-18 seconds.

and tanking everything

[waxen nymph]

Wrong link

[alpine sage]

Fixed that

it's an experiment build so geared are maxed

actual online gear does not require extensive t7 like that. just try to get the t6-t7 on prefixes. sufixes can get t5

the only thing you must have is a t8 shield throw level and maxed t7 shield throw crit chance affixes on helmet and armor

everything else can be adjusted

[waxen nymph]

Where is leather Strike?

[alpine sage]

sry lethal strike

wrong word

@waxen nymph fixed that

[waxen nymph]

Ah

Where is that?

[alpine sage]

forge guard passive

last line

in bottom right

[waxen nymph]

Got it

Is that really that good?

110 Str > 22 pen

[alpine sage]

the idol are not shown since well I'm experimenting with new character so I used mod to unlock them. Guess they don't show when you import

[waxen nymph]

For 8 passives pts

[alpine sage]

well yes

[waxen nymph]

When you already have 80% pen

I feel like you could get more value for 8 passives pts

Are you crit capped?

[alpine sage]

yes

[waxen nymph]

How much Armor Shred stacks do you have?

[alpine sage]

at max 874 but in realistic online gear they will be much less I think

[waxen nymph]

Yeah but even 100% is fine

[alpine sage]

you can remove 3 point in crit chance, 1 point in bulwark, 2 point in liquid iron, and 2 point in defiance in paladin passive

for 8 points in pen

you don't need endurance threshold there anyway since you are very tanky

and instant heal to full health via shield throw

@waxen nymph btw I tested the bleed manifest armor from https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/GreatMaster/character/ForgeGod

that has horrible clearing

even more horrible than abomination

bossing is okay

not better than shield bash forge guard

has 2 sec kill dummy slower than shield bash forged guard

you need to patiently throw a lot of shields

then use AE for very high burst damage

problem is the throwing speed of shield is not very fast

so it might take a bit to stack enough bleed

but I think this one is good for uberroth

since you would like to slowly stack bleed when he has 36% health then use AE to reduce his health quickly before he can cast time shattering slam in the final phase

I don't recommend using this for map

too horrible AoE

[peak zodiac]

yep like i said clear is pretty trash

[alpine sage]

abomination and bear has even better clear

[peak zodiac]

also there are a lot of… questionable choices in that build and you’d def want to snapshot for max damage & tankiness

[alpine sage]

btw, how about going for the bleed hammerdin version?

still stack bleed and AE, just no minion

and can go for blessing for insane bleed chance

[peak zodiac]

i mean it’s alright that’s a completely different build though

[alpine sage]

nah, idea is similar for bleed+AE

[peak zodiac]

can get super tanky, dps is okay, clear is solid

[alpine sage]

it is just that you cause bleed instead of your minion

and better clear

[peak zodiac]

i mean it’s a completely different main skill and one is a minion build while the other is not

also on a different mastery

[alpine sage]

yeah

anyway, that was a creative build

just too trash for clearing

[waxen nymph]

Seems to perform fine in arena

But arena is so niche

[peak zodiac]

arena is also a meme

[waxen nymph]

Yeah 😅😁

[alpine sage]

anyway, lava burst build is good now

if minmaxed properly

better dps than paladin throw version

18 secs only to kill dummy while paladin needs 22 sec

[turbid dome]

Are any of the arena uniques good

[waxen nymph]

I have seen penumbra been used a couple times

Storm Totem belt once

[austere frost]

The ring is good and boots can be solid but too high lp to actually want to farm that

Haven't done an arena since we can skip them

[turbid dome]

I will return in another year to ask that you that question again Vlad

[turbid dome]

[austere frost]

Rng blessing me this week good gear dropping and some 4 lps 3 lps bows rarer ,finally got a 3 t7 ring exalted to imprint

[turbid dome]

[austere frost]

The higher fp the more chance it doesn't eat 1 of the t7 right at 30 is was eating a lot hot a small bump to 43 fp now procs better

[waxen nymph]

Vaion Chariot ?

[austere frost]

Yeah those have some good solid stats but I aint farming arena bosses for any of their gear😴

The 90 lp kinda kills them cause people nowdays with good gear like rogues can get above 150 ms which is 150 increase damage all res ,good fire res decent flat armor and good movement speed

[waxen nymph]

You could do the Woven echo

But honestly I am not too convinced by thoses

[austere frost]

Yeah not best loot table to be worth the grind

I mostly grind rayeh cause worldsplitter is so worth to grind

[indigo monolith]

Hi, I'm making a leveling guide, but it says to use the Paladin mastery. I plan to play Void once I reach the endgame. Is there anywhere I can change my mastery? Because I only see the passive skill changes.

I'm asking because I've learned Void, but the leveling guide requires Paladin mastery.

[waxen nymph]

In the end of time, the respec npc allow you to respec your mastery

But also, you can lvl as smoothly as VK than Paladin

[alpine sage]

someone went for reflect MA forge guard

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Dysen/character/SpikeyMikey

[indigo monolith]

The NPC doesn't give me the option to change mastery, only to use points to unlock passive skills.

It only allows me to reset passives

[waxen nymph]

Ah it's because you are not playing in English 😅

It's bugged and doesn't show the proper line

[indigo monolith]

👹

[waxen nymph]

When you talk to the npc, the 2'd line where she says leave or smth like that

Is in fact respec mastery

Classic EHG

🤣

[indigo monolith]

https://medal.tv/es/games/last-epoch/clips/lWcREe7nY6A1T5UVH?invite=cr-MSxOVzYsNDAyNDcwNTgx&v=0

I can't find that option

[waxen nymph]

Ah sorry, it's only the one in the end of time

Mb

[indigo monolith]

nice, thx

[alpine sage]

Hi guy, between a physical and lightning paladin, which one is better?

So far, lightning paladin allows you to roll a t8 lightning damage spear (only lightning can do so, physical needs the unique spear for AoE) and a lightning damage for throwing skill for more damage, while physical paladin receives more bonus from shield throw buff (80 physical pen).

[austere frost]

Lightning paladin is way better and btw you shouldn't use t8 spear you use t8 Lightning helmet ,bossing is Lightning,mapping sierpin spear is better

[zenith hinge]

Fractral Tree is the only spear I've managed to kill uber with on my pally, lightning I tried a bident build which was wicked for mapping at decent corr but less single dmg over all - mind you uber took flipping ages like 8-9 mins or something lol (maybe longer it was a while ago and I died dozens of times)

[alpine sage]

But is it better due to the added lightning damage from the helmet or something?

[austere frost]

You are supposed to slam an unique spear that gives 2 to javelin you want t8 on helmet

[austere frost]

Bident unless you do dot is really bad for javelin though

[alpine sage]

Hm but I'm asking the reason why lightning is better vs bosses than physical if we use lightning helmet

Since Fractal has massive pen

[austere frost]

Cause lightning is mote damage straight up

[alpine sage]

And damage too

[austere frost]

Shock pally tree has amazing nodes for lightning

And helmet is free 88 lightning damage flat

Fractal has better clear but lightning is thr uber boss killer

Btw we are talking about legit build no bs 5 t7 stuff ok

Gotta be legit

[zenith hinge]

Most of my gear was 777 or 77, anyways each to their own

[austere frost]

The judicator best spear for the build

Yeah but other guy is offline full t7 and whatever thats why I am pointing out

[alpine sage]

Idk since in pally node I see to be valuable is the node that deals more damage to electrified enemies

Other than that all lightning nodes are useless

[austere frost]

Wrong

Lightning has more damage than physical in the tree and passive

Something that full t7 doesnt teach

[zenith hinge]

Jellal do you have a video link of yours or anyone elses to a lightning jav / uber kill I can watch while I'm stuck at work lol

[alpine sage]

Can you give a more detailed explanation?

[austere frost]

Shock is separate from shred lightning armor thats another more ,then you also. Have lightning spear you get more damage and flat the extra skills means extra damage on the tree

[austere frost]

What's the name mista mystia idk she demolished it with lightning build

[alpine sage]

Because the 80% physical pen from shield throw is no joke

[zenith hinge]

Damn, can't find anything via google, stupid algos

ah think i got it

[alpine sage]

Also I'm not sure if I should go for t8 helmet

[zenith hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifjGi_ha3xc

[alpine sage]

Since the unique spear does not have 15% lightning pen

[zenith hinge]

build guide - non english - https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/zh/guide-zh-761

[alpine sage]

Meanwhile I csn have 15% lightning pen and a t8 lightning damage with an exalted spear