🔱┃sentinel

[austere frost]

We need mana reset on echo completion ,my mana lich gets full mana very easily even while mapping i really hope one day it comes for all classes full reset hp and mana or at least mana

[turbid dome]

put a lil fountain into it that refreshes mana and stuff

and then we can buy fountain mtx

I want the bar one with a capybara bartender

[cinder bone]

guys im about to respec to palladin, this is my forge guard build https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYEDDkr0

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (8) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (16)

General:

▸ Health: 3,062, Regen: 122.66/s
▸ Mana: 473, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 78%, Regen: 15/s
▸ Attributes: 55 Str / 39 Dex / 33 Int / 153 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 93% / 116% / 151% / 120% / 75% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,155
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (372)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,801)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 43% (1,470)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

Ring Of Shields / Rebuke / Symbols of Hope / Healing Hands / Warpath

[austere frost]

I would buy it ngl

[cinder bone]

would it be good respec since the build calls to survive so it can reflect... i only have ring of shields skill, so in palladin w i will have aura and judgment..sync with the gloves hand of judgment, more attunement, armor percent and hp regen passives.. for echoes and herald at same time..

[austere frost]

Go paladin if you are doing reflect a lot tankier cause you have access to insta regen giga

[turbid dome]

is there a reflect variant of the giga thicc judgement paladin

[austere frost]

Can easily get 2.5k and higher btw health per second

[austere frost]

Why judgement? Because of the aura?

[cinder bone]

thanks.. um, as in global chat, higher corruption also more gold aside from more item rarity? im merchant faction so gold is scarce..

[turbid dome]

your already standing there and letting things die by hitting you, might as well microwave them too

[austere frost]

I thought and believe that higher corruption the gold its bigger so the piles start becoming bigger although nothing to write about you need to find items and sell them and btw I would pick a very fast mapping build for that not reflect pally.

But I am cof for life never done mg so what do I know😅

[cinder bone]

im using crab rings with haste and warpath and shield rush to make echoes little faster..

[austere frost]

Yeah but rebuke is better i believe and you can use idk vengeance for more dr while everything melts and you take no damage

[turbid dome]

judgement -> aura sticks on you -> rebuke

[austere frost]

You Facetank any boss and do 2 charges rebuke with cdr you can almost spam those

[cinder bone]

i think palladin using symbols can be black on node convert to void. also warpath as void.. for color change..

[austere frost]

Yeah idk how much damage the aura will actually do , there is the vengeance healing hands holy aura symbols rebuke build does well

[cinder bone]

so your sentinel is palladin right or void?

ah i remember you have void sentinel with warpath refresh..

[austere frost]

Primalis has the best reflect cause damage its crazy and for some reason they can go at 150 ms or probably higher with some skills

[cinder bone]

i joined with such build he has 200k warpath dps but we did not defeat hearald.. he got one shot also..

[austere frost]

Warpath void is best and by a long shot ,erasing strike has similar gear so you can go and try that if you ever do vk warpath

The tooltip dps doesnt matter that much you are hitting 6-7 times every second probably and I always thought warpath was trash in 1.0 . What a fool I was 😅 literally got one buff from t8 channel and its a beast build if you go min max.

[cinder bone]

i have l72 druid planning for the popular shaman reflect but can rage as spriggan be permanent on an affix? also it not really a block type compared to sentinel..

but yes reflect shaman has the most attunement passive even on base sentinel tree, but the thicket armor scales with attunement plus physical resistance also..

[austere frost]

I am pretty sure you need a specific amulet and belt to make it work the rage and be infinite or something like that but ask the primalist channels I get bored with that build I have more fun doing frogs 🤣

[cinder bone]

i got party with frog build just today, we attempted herald but did not make it.. im also lag since hes from u.s. east.. im asia , but i bet its possible for 2 people..

[austere frost]

You absolutely can beat uber with 2 people your builds need to be optimized though ,personally I killed uber and I dislike that boss a ton maybe ,other ubers will be better done

[quaint sparrow]

You don’t like it because it’s so tanky?

[austere frost]

I dont like it cause its one of the worst endgame bosses I ever played against for some reason it has 24000corr hp scaling plus the longer the fight gets the worse the arena becomes I love having to move around 20 pools in the ground while avoiding all the one shot moves and all the other stuff he shoots at the same time ,with all due respect they made a really crap endgame boss

Ty god for bear,abomination killing it in no time

[quaint sparrow]

Personally I like it simple for that very reason, it’s actually a boss you need to prepare for and engage with for the most part outside of some extremely well geared and / or broken builds but I can get why that would be frustrating

[austere frost]

Idk i like clarity and being able to see what's going on i much rather see what the boss does

[quaint sparrow]

Thankfully it’s 100% optional at least

[austere frost]

I shouldn't have to play broke. Builds that kill him in under a minute though

[quaint sparrow]

I think you should

[austere frost]

Anyone can kill arbiter and he does his cool combos

[quaint sparrow]

If a boss dies in under 10sec on a bad build it is even a boss at that point?

Basically just another rare or elite

[austere frost]

Uber has great gear if his gear was bad nobody would do it its a very bad fight designed

Meanwhile normal aberroth its perfectly good

[quaint sparrow]

I mean, obviously the gear is the reason why 99% of people want to kill him

[austere frost]

Idk I rather fight 1 million times xecht over uber aberroth anyway of the week

[quaint sparrow]

You and I obviously have big differences in what we want from bosses which is fine at the end of the day

I personally like that the boss actually takes time to kill, visual clarity could be better granted but it’s doable.

[austere frost]

If you get excited fighting uber in last epoch good but for me its one of the worse things in the game hopefully other guys will be better designed cause right now poe bosses blow the water compared to aberroth

[quaint sparrow]

PoE always struggled with bosses tbh, not even because bosses are bad but just because how absurdly broken builds get.

Although LE is getting there really quickly as well lol

Power Creep has been insane since release

[austere frost]

True but the bosses are cool and they do their mechanics at least when you see them

Later on you can one shot them whatever

Le same thing you go minmax lich abo and bear and he dies in no time

[quaint sparrow]

Those are outliers that shouldn’t exist imo though

[austere frost]

Reason is you are incentives to cut times on it cause the fights gets worse

[austere frost]

But ehg made them

And its gonna be same thing every league bladestorm gonna be op let's be honest

[quaint sparrow]

Okay? Doesn’t mean they are happy with their current balance nor does it mean I have to like it.

[austere frost]

You dont have to like balance but the devs make the balance

They made this builds they aint stupid they know what they do

[quaint sparrow]

It’s not a matter of being stupid or not

[austere frost]

Their balance is quite bad and it has always being likr that but hey lich is very fun to play so cant complain

[quaint sparrow]

Just because they balanced things the way they did doesn’t mean it’s working as currently intended

[austere frost]

They made walking simulator how is that supposed to work otherwise

[quaint sparrow]

I think the biggest issue is how out of hand power creep has gotten, makes balancing a nightmare when they ramp up the creep every season

So it’s not surprising there are outliers, intended or not. Likely not though.

[austere frost]

That's their fault with balance and uber

If it take 5 min to kill uber the build is trash (not really) but objectively it is

[quaint sparrow]

Compared to what? The outliers?

It’s not really healthy to compare builds to the best of the best from a balancing point of view. As a player who just wants the strongest build then yeah, it makes sense.

[austere frost]

If it takes me 1 min to kill uber and it takes 5 for you to do the same I think time wise I better play the better build

[quaint sparrow]

I think a 1-2min kill is reasonable though

What is a reasonable time to kill in your eyes for an end endgame boss?

[austere frost]

But again they made those builds ,they know they are overpowered but they dont care , you cant make new stuff op and then be well we didn't know like yeah releasing 30 chaos bolt on every attack with 600%more damage from mana scaling or more not intended

If you have disgusting gear you kill it under a min cause the grind is what it is

[quaint sparrow]

I think you put way too much faith and expectations of EHG, they can’t perfectly know the games balance at all times.

[austere frost]

At the end of the day I fought better bosses but hey I dont only play arpg

[quaint sparrow]

They can absolutely and will over / under tune things all the time

That is why we get balance patches

I think Uberoths time to kill is fine imo

[austere frost]

I dont expect anything from them except idk maybe dont make 7-8 months leagues if they are gonna do a liveservice

Again man you think uber fighting is great good for you man

[quaint sparrow]

I said fine, not great

Of course it could be better, visual clarity being something you and I mentioned

But I wouldn’t say it’s bad by any means

[viral igloo]

Hey folks. Quick question, does warpath mana consumption scale with AS?

[waxen nymph]

No

[viral igloo]

Hey another question. Is there a way for no stopping warpath channel when you cast anomaly?

[viral igloo]

Ah thats the meaning of instant cast thanks

[waxen nymph]

Indeed

[inner vapor]

Is anyone able to help me make a good smite build? Maybe even a void smite build?

I’m fairly new to the game currently have a level 69 void knight

Been running monoliths for a bit so i got a little bit of loot in my stash

[waxen nymph]

How do you want to use Smite ?

Selfcast ?
Hammer Throw ?
Multistrike ?

[quaint sparrow]

Check out Maxroll, I think they have a guide up for it.

[inner vapor]

Multi strike

Or self cast either or would be fine with me

[waxen nymph]

Multistrike is probably the best version

[inner vapor]

Any guides or advice on building it

[loud quest]

I disagree. I enjoy the Uber fight. It's a good mix of challenge and reward. I like the design, phases and environmental obstacles.

[quaint sparrow]

As I said before Maxroll has a guide on it, but theirs is self cast. I don’t know enough to say whether there is a better version or not though.

[quaint sparrow]

By my discussion with them earlier they seem to enjoy being able to delete bosses rather than over come their obstacles over a long fight.

[loud quest]

My only contention is that it's the only hard boss fight and loot isn't static, so ya gotta run it over and over and over. So I use a bear now.

[quaint sparrow]

Yeah, more uber bosses would be great.

We should get an uber variant of every time line boss.

[loud quest]

And dungeon bosses.

[quaint sparrow]

Maybe even uber dungeons though idk what the reward could be

[loud quest]

That's sorta what monos are. Push 5k corruption with a sentinel.

[quaint sparrow]

Maybe you could guarantee 2 slams in temporal or something

[loud quest]

Feels pretty Uber sometimes.

[loud quest]

Ya shorten the stick that dangles the carrot, you're likely to get that carrot and leave.

[quaint sparrow]

Yeah I don’t touch 5k lol, not worth it to me in HC XD

Highest I got was 1.7k before I dropped it back down as it was starting to get sketchy.

[loud quest]

But it's a challenge :) loot's shit, but you can look cool to your friends in global

[waxen nymph]

Mad Alchemist laddle + either palarus or the other sword for multistrike and smite

Devotion amulet

Get a lot of Vita and some mana

Attack speed go brr

You want to go Echo chance too

Because thats a lot of extra smites

[quaint sparrow]

PoE feared that was the case for a long time but I don’t think it’s the case really.

On the other hand though I have seen plenty of people on the Discord malt because they have had insanely rough RNG on multiple LP stuff and just gave up.

People will always find something else to farm

[loud quest]

Sure, I got 18 LP2 vise bricked in inventory. Sucks.

[quaint sparrow]

Maybe LE isn’t a good example as it’s not really as economy driven but people farm in PoE just for the sake of farming more currency sometimes XD

Also I think a change like that would be good if LP chances were reduced across the board as I think we currency see far too many imo. But that’s likely an unpopular take.

In any case I don’t think it’ll stop people from farming if they are that way inclined to begin with, and if not they will likely leave out of frustration anyway.

[peak zodiac]

multistrike has about 35-40% more damage while having about 25-40% of the tankiness depending on how you build it. selfcast also has a much smoother playstyle imo and no difficulty sustaining mana as well as screen wide range.

[waxen nymph]

Only 40% More Dmg? With all the Smites you can get

Especially on single target

I found that hard to believe

[peak zodiac]

i have tested this extremely thoroughly, at the absolute most you can expect 50% more damage unless you go zhp, and even then that’s an extremely generous read

if you go zhp then ya the difference is bigger but multismite or selfcast both seem like pretty awful choices for a zhp build

[wooden mountain]

Self cast is fine zhp, outside of bossing anyway.

If you use a controller then it auto targets at slightly offscreen ranges which makes it super safe to play

Ofc you don't have the other defensive mechanics or raw dps to play zhp against stuff that won't be easily killed by that safe playstyle

[waxen nymph]

I trust you because I have seen you around, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around that

[peak zodiac]

ya but like the dmg of selfcast smite isn’t high enough with zhp to even make it worthwhile imo

[uneven gorge]

Same, hard to overcome 20 smites per second (I made this number up for dramatic effect)

[peak zodiac]

multismite has to give up a lot dmg to make up for the inherent difference in tankiness if you want to make a multistrike build that is reasonably tanky, and you have to make some concessions for mana as well

[viral igloo]

@waxen nymph my anomaly is not autocasting with Borrowed time. Do you know what could be the reason?

Oh nevermind i still need to cast it. It just doesnt stop warpath anymore

[peak zodiac]

as well as things like capped crit for all spells (dorb contributes a decent chunk to dmg with capped crit, scales off all the same things except cast speed and has good multipliers), and you get healing hands which isn't void so it doesn't scale as hard but with it being a spell it still contributes to dmg, and generally selfcast is going to have more cast speed than multismite has AS (plus doublecast chance) which actually narrows the gap on smite throughput as well a bit

[turbid dome]

the best use i've found for self cast smite is as a filler skill on void knight wizard

and even if you hit the double + echo above odds its still just less smites that the other options

more anomaly damage spec support when

[viral igloo]

Quick question about warpath. Should i try to crit cap? I saw some ppl add + crit chance on world splitter instead of mana/added void damage

[peak zodiac]

selfcast has enough damage for all content in the game as well as the damage + tankiness + smooth playstyle to go very high in corruption

i've been playing it at 2500 for most of the season, could go higher but rampant coast would be a little rippy past that

[turbid dome]

are you doing warpath where its warriors fury and you just spin for the entire echo?

[viral igloo]

Void knight warpath

[turbid dome]

no yeah I'm saying I've found it best used during the cooldowns of the other void spells as the other void spells do more damage

[turbid dome]

yea

are you using the warrior's fury node in the warpath tree

[viral igloo]

Yes i am

[turbid dome]

I'm assuming yes but I want to check

and are you building it to spin forever or for bursts

[viral igloo]

Si struggling with mana 😄

[turbid dome]

ah

[viral igloo]

My goal is uber aberroth

[turbid dome]

manafused (max mana + mana regen on twohanded weapons) + flat crit then would be my suggestion

for a 2 lp slam

whats your crit chance currently?

[peak zodiac]

i mean there's one other good void spell and it has a cooldown, overall smite is more dps than dorb

[viral igloo]

61

[turbid dome]

I raise you damage spec anomaly

[viral igloo]

Yes it was too tempting the damage you get from warrion fury

[peak zodiac]

well i did specify good void spell

[turbid dome]

it is a good void spell

double time wave on cast is big beefy rare be gone

[peak zodiac]

it has one more multiplier and a 12 second cooldown lol

[turbid dome]

the damage is always tempting

[viral igloo]

Thanks for your suggestion

[turbid dome]

not when you spec for cooldown reduction

[viral igloo]

Just to confirm i have 61% crit chance i should slam crit chance on weapon instead of void damage right?

[turbid dome]

@peak zodiac damage spec anomaly isn't anywhere near the best but its fun and I've been trying to get it to be a main damage skill for the last 3 years and I wont stop now

[peak zodiac]

yeah i mean it does have a really cool visual and i wish it was good but it's just ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

and like the bottom right portion of anomaly has so much crazy util and it's really hard to get enough points for everything

[turbid dome]

capping crit math wise is a bigger damage boost than flat... most of the time, it depends on a few factors but for warpath and your current crit chance, yea

this is assuming you have a solid amount of crit multi from void corruption and max mana (worldspliter)

also dont forget warpath's mana cost is 1 so your not getting like any flat crit chance from that affix on it

[turbid dome]

yea

tho I would also argue anomaly has 2 more damage nodes for time wave, its 250% one and the mark of rot one

instant anomaly applies the 50% more damage taken then hits with both timewaves

[peak zodiac]

anomaly is like the coolest skill in the world in concept and the most boring skill in the world in terms of practical applications

[turbid dome]

the time lock part is so cool.... and not useful

[peak zodiac]

true, but that's pretty much a global 30% multi for vks

[turbid dome]

if there wasn't a cap on the cooldown reduction I could make it work

[viral igloo]

I see i was wondering why i have much less crit than when i was using erasing strike

[turbid dome]

yeah but if your main skilling anomaly you can in theory only put 1 point into it

[turbid dome]

mana cost =/= channel cost =/= mana consumed

[viral igloo]

266 crit multi for now

[turbid dome]

@peak zodiac that theory is why I’ve been looking every cycle to find a way to get its cooldown to be shorter

Cause I won’t lie, being able to get anomaly’s cooldown to 6 seconds when mark of rot was 100% increased damage taken was a lil goofy

[peak zodiac]

at that time we also had volatile reversal damage taken stacking tbf xd

[turbid dome]

Yea

[peak zodiac]

sentinel and particularly vk at the time was so propped up by just having increased damage taken out the wazoo

[turbid dome]

But this is why I want time bubble to be its own thing so anomaly can get a full tree of stuff

[turbid dome]

It was a lil goofy

[peak zodiac]

i mean i guess there's precedent for it now, i'd really love to see more void spells be viable, caster vk is my favourite archetype

[turbid dome]

Maybe next cycle I’ll try to make the 15k life void knight

[peak zodiac]

i'm at about 5k, feels pretty nice with capped block and seed lmao

[waxen nymph]

Its instant cast not auto cast ^^

[viral igloo]

Yeah i figured out. Thanks

Anorher question, is there no better alternative weapon for World splitter?

[turbid dome]

ah yes perfectly balanced

[turbid dome]

for mana stacking? world splitter should be the best

[viral igloo]

Ok thanks

[turbid dome]

sadly poison is still lacking

[viral igloo]

I guess mana stacking is the best version right?

[turbid dome]

for warriors fury? yea

[viral igloo]

How do you sustain mana on Uber by the way?

[turbid dome]

you need big mana pool + void well to use warriors fury

[viral igloo]

You need mana from flask on belt?

[turbid dome]

?

[peak zodiac]

the most common and easiest setup is you just stack as much mana as possible and void well sustains you, no need for mana on belt, eventually you will oom and stop your ramp but it pretty much immediately restarts

[turbid dome]

have you read the void well node on the passive tree? its the only real source of %max mana regen in the game, so you stack a really big mana pool and use void well to sustain mana

[viral igloo]

Ok so you will eventually stop anyway

[turbid dome]

yea

warriors fury adds flat mana cost every second you spin so its impossible to not oom eventually

[viral igloo]

Im using it and yes i understand how it works

Just wondering if it will stop eventually however big your mana pool is

[turbid dome]

eventually yes even with 10000000000 max mana you will eventually have to stop

[peak zodiac]

unless you're running a super minmaxed setup (good hotswapping would help too but ahhhh) you will need a couple resets for uber

[viral igloo]

Ok thanks

[turbid dome]

the super thicc vk did not have a primordial on

[viral igloo]

I was attracted to warpath because of a big warpath player but he had mana on belt so was wondering

[turbid dome]

that may of just been a failed slam

[viral igloo]

Ok

[turbid dome]

or I guess if you oom and don't have the void essences for void well you can chug a bunch of potions to fix mana to get void well looping again

but if your using dorbs for void essences that seems hard to not move on warpath to end up in that situation

this build is just funny to look at

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN2kk41R

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (90)

General:

▸ Health: 15,855, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 156.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 28 Dex / 28 Int / 28 Att / 151 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 66% / 111% / 142% / 116% / 213% / 187%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 4,988
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (152)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,936)

Used skills:

Rive / Devouring Orb

[turbid dome]

the best part is since its a vitality stacker it actually has okay damage

[peak zodiac]

just thinking about getting that helmet brings me physical pain

[turbid dome]

the helmet?

bro look at the gloves

[peak zodiac]

that too

2lp rav void nbd xd

[turbid dome]

just hit the double T7

yeah no that planner was plain curiosity at how much health you could get and still be a build that does reasonable damage

and the damage entirely hinges on rive with +1 melee void per vitality and foe reaver + double T7 melee void maw

bring on the T28 melee void

[peak zodiac]

all attributes for the 2nd slam is super funny ngl

[turbid dome]

yeah

in practice I'd do crit chance or attack speed

but also big vitality 👀

reliquiry nest does let you almost hit 200 vitality

but you sadly fall to only 17-18k health

[peak zodiac]

might be pretty squishy at that point idk xd

[turbid dome]

yeah but this is funny to read

I could just slap time wave on this (or really any void spell) and have stupid levels of flat damage

like timewave has a very small 100 + 485 flat damage on it

abyssal orb has 40 + 194 flat (the lil orbs devouring orb shoots)

[peak zodiac]

now you just need 4t7s for the spell void damage on helm and chest

[turbid dome]

honestly nah

thats enough flat I'd go for a scorned sceptre + crystal skull for the big flat crit

given void wizard is the only caster who can make use of scorned scepter with its horriblely low flat spell damage

[peak zodiac]

i mean you could probably crit cap without it and then just go for ladle no?

[turbid dome]

I dont see the way to cap crit on time wave without scepter + skull

we must fully invest into the silly

[peak zodiac]

i mean i’m crit capped on a spell vk with neither of those things, i have one crit roll on a ring and that’s it

[turbid dome]

and what skill are you using thats crit capped?

[peak zodiac]

smite and dorb (technically healing hands too lol) i don’t take base crit in any of their respective trees

[turbid dome]

ah

fair enough

I just dont want the builds hp to fall low given how squishy it is

gotta maintain the gimmick of stupidly high health and have it be functional-ish

[peak zodiac]

i’m at ~200k ehp vs phys hit rn feels pretty nice

although i don’t have an actual hp number that’s quite that funny i must admit

[turbid dome]

yeah like 5k health with that much ehp is more than enough

its just incredibly funny to me that this is technically possible within the game

best part is thats not even the tankiest build I've theory crafted

[peak zodiac]

i mean that second one is true zdps gaming right

[turbid dome]

yeah cause we're swapping it to forge guard for shield and a two handed so the damage just leaves

but this was the result of operation face tank god

[peak zodiac]

are you using dreamthorn?

[turbid dome]

no this one was using tolkerfin's hunger

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9J667JX

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (20) / Forge Guard (58) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 14,140, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 178.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 68%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 34 Dex / 34 Int / 39 Att / 146 Vit
▸ Resistances: 126% / 91% / 61% / 177% / 116% / 208% / 182%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 71%, Threshold: 5,021
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (185)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (12,558)
▸ Block Chance: 102%, Mitigation: 62% (3,355)

Used skills:

Rive / Symbols of Hope / Ring Of Shields

[turbid dome]

merrophage is probs better for raw tanking

[peak zodiac]

dreamthorn or monument of protection would be best for tankiness no?

[turbid dome]

monument of protection isn't a shield so it can't go in the offhand with a weapon in the mainhand

[peak zodiac]

yeah you would mainhand it

[turbid dome]

plus counterance makes the build not die 10 times faster to dot

ohh that was a typo, thought you were saying dreamthorn and monument

shield bash is probably the correct angle yea to make it not complete zero dps

[peak zodiac]

or you just snapshot manifest armor xd

[turbid dome]

ew snapshotting

[peak zodiac]

it is what it is until ehg actually fixes it

[turbid dome]

[uneven gorge]

guys, I'm feeling kinda squishy, any ideas on how to improve my survivability? 😔

[turbid dome]

wheres your ele dot defense? only 72k is gonna get you killed constantly

[uneven gorge]

Ahh I see I see

[turbid dome]

in all seriousness if you manage to build the character for those stats and you die I'm revoking your sentinel club card

[uneven gorge]

I'm sorry, I lied 😣 It was a rogue 😬

[turbid dome]

[quaint sparrow]

A lot of people, myself included would still rather avoid intentionally exploiting the game

[viral igloo]

Can you still die with that? 😅

[turbid dome]

Given there’s titan heart yeah… you just have to stop hitting things for a while

[viral igloo]

Haha ok

[turbid dome]

The void knight version would be an actually playable build

Just cause it’s not zero dps

I guess also if you push corruption high enough any build just gets 1 tapped

[cinder bone]

@turbid dome not much vitality nodes on palladin.. I just respec from FG , flat reflect at 42,000 but hp suffered at 2000 only.. also I don't have reduced dmg from critical only 30%. I focused on block chance with 106% while channelling warpath.. so it's vitality plus percent health that will scale hp? currently I'm pushing 1000 corruption. at 850 at the moment. I feel one mouse button on warpath but my movement walking 41 but when on warpath becomes 37. even with it's 3 max speed node. I have haste from crab ring.

[austere frost]

Btw I would pick fast boots cause moving at 40 ms its pretty bad feeling specially cause warpath makes you slower while spinning,faster clearing monos the better gear you may get.

[turbid dome]

the quickest way to boost your health is to get

• flat life
• %increased life
• vitality

on your body armor, this leaves 1 spot open for a +skill levels affix too

vitality for non voidknight isn't the greatest stat, but its still a defensive stat in the prefix slots instead of a suffix slot... it also gives resistances too

[austere frost]

If you slam double suffix hp increase on a brew master belt your hp problems are almost gone easy enough to get 1 -2 lps

[turbid dome]

that too

but that also includes double slamming it and fate is fickle

[alpine canopy]

Str is a solid alternative for vit, it gives armor and scales different skills

[inner hedge]

I'm not sure what he's trying to do. some kind of warpath spin reflect paladin build.

[austere frost]

He wants to cap block using warpath i guess not the worst but I am addicted to high movement speed nowdays I cant play a build with 50 ms.

[inner hedge]

my reflect build generates ward with high cast speed smite, dunno how you'd do that with warpath. I sit at ~4500 ward after 3 seconds of smite

plus 3k hp

plus warpath you're moving around, not always in "front" of target

and not getting foots bonus

[turbid dome]

thats what it looks like

if he's having fun more power to him

[cinder bone]

@austere frost yes. block node on warpath make my block change 106 percent. my idea is spinning around to make the reflect click. with passive nodes my highest reflex was 42k plus. now I'm experimenting with the skills since I rely on rebuke. I'm trying now healing hands channelled. but yes the herald of oblivion one shots if not careful. I can't farm gears anymore.. tried nemesis lp chance for 2lp reflect armor no avail. I can't even resell it on merchants. I've tweaked a little, boss too High of a ceiling for an average build..

@inner hedge 4k ward also for me using healing hands. I have a belt with mana becomes ward.. but it has no hp percent. I focused on scaling physical resistance for the reflect but seems it's too little of a scale unlike dmg percent, flat dmg and attunement..

[cinder bone]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrXMmgKO

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (32) / Paladin (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,563, Regen: 608.4/s
▸ Mana: 542.86, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 66%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 34 Dex / 28 Int / 166 Att / 51 Vit
▸ Resistances: 121% / 97% / 130% / 197% / 120% / 105% / 143%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 84%, Threshold: 1,204
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (294)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,247)
▸ Block Chance: 86%, Mitigation: 52% (2,266)

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Judgement / Holy Aura / Warpath

[cinder bone]

all this and i cant defeat herald of oblivion.. even with 10,000 hp this is too much..

[waxen nymph]

No RR, "only" 50% Armor
Also I would use Vengeance for the dr and crit mititagation and HH proccs

[uneven gorge]

1. % reflect isn't doing anything for you on shield. Either replace it with flat reflect or t7 block chance
2. Parry chance on MoP would help a lot more than health on hit
3. Valdyr's isn't doing anything for you. Either replace it with Twisted Heart or Vessel. I'd personally chose Heart
4. Get an Evolution's End with t7 flat health
5. You need way more reflect idols
6. I'd replace Warpath with Vengeance, and Judgement for either a movement skill or Shield Bash to stun
7. Your passive tree could be more optimized but it's fine for now

Yeah, red rings would also help a lot, but I don't think they're entirely necessary

[cinder bone]

@waxen nymph I'm also planning to try vengeance since one hand axe for vengeance is what I'm using for echoes. I changed my blessings, chose 70 crit avoid. my helmet with attunement has 70 crit dmg reduce plus node to 100 percent. hp still only at 2600. sentinel has low mobility. tried shield rush to escaped the one shots. now volatile reversal also. sentinel cannot really defeat it. managed once but joined with a high damage falconer. . but for average builds. very hard. still my flat reflect is at 40k. resistances more that 75. holy aura cleanses his debuff. I'll spin with warpath for block. tried also healing hands channel to tank it but impossible since mana depletes also. I'll try vengeance next time. it also matches the axe. I have 3lp one hand vengeance axe. maybe attack speed and frailty on hit for more defense. and hp leech.

@uneven gorge how did you defeat it with a sentinel?

[uneven gorge]

I didn't, I beat it with shaman

Much easier when you have nearly 300k flat reflect

[cinder bone]

@uneven gorge do you play other isometric like le?

[uneven gorge]

not really, no

Unless you count Baldur's Gate 3

[wraith sorrel]

Can anyone take a look at my Rive/HH pally build? I need to add some survivability but not sure what to start with. I tend to get stunned and one -shot more than I'd like.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9J6Jb1D

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 3,107, Regen: 458.38/s
▸ Mana: 330.56, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 39 Str / 22 Dex / 22 Int / 46 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 112% / 80% / 80% / 111% / 104% / 137% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,123
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (101)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,150)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 3%

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Rive / Smite / Holy Aura / Symbols of Hope

[waxen nymph]

Looks pretty solid

Not conviced Flame Burst does a lot of dmg

You could get Heal Effect

For Boots, Army of skin

And for more tankiness I would consider Null Portent

[uneven gorge]

Well the most obvious issue is that you don't have the stats for your red ring

[wraith sorrel]

Yeah, I'm like.... 11 short. So annoying. I have a 3LP Siphon Ring waiting for something good to slam that would get me there.

[wraith sorrel]

Probably right. Increased the time to kill the boss target dummy by about 10% when I dropped it, but that could probably be variation in stacks of scrap metal.

[waxen nymph]

I mean it's a spell, and you have very little flat for it

Getting more healing Effect means more Flat for HH

Have you tried Vengeance instead of Rive?

[wraith sorrel]

I have a little bit. Felt a lot slower and not as fun. Could try again now that I found a T7 vengeance helm.

[waxen nymph]

It wont be as fast or as much dmg, but tankiness will be higher

[regal grove]

So I have a vk erasing strike, I'm at 650 corruption now and.. I'm basically being erased by any boss attack that isn't a basic swipe, I don't have a health% on my belt yet but that wouldn't save me anyways with the amount of overkill I suffer. Should I loose some idol damage for survivability?

[waxen nymph]

Wanna share your planner ?

[regal grove]

Super late reply but when I'm home I will try lol sorry I sent that at work

[cinder bone]

@uneven gorge you were not tempted to play the popular early access le competitor? Its atmosphere is grim and dark... similar to a souls like game..

[regal grove]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/demon34140/character/lucius

[crystal rivet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A141Rdaa
I'm lvling this build (Erasing strike) void , how to scaling dmg for this ? I feel my build too weak , only 20~30k dmg , if crit go up to 50k dmg , im go to 100 corruption lolll , maybe i cant endgame this build because need nihilis , shattered chains ,... for melee void dmg

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (58) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,468, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 427.75, Regen: 15.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 11/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 9 Dex / 2 Int / 10 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 80% / 80% / 110% / 118% / 117% / 61%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 805
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (107)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,566)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Used skills:

Anomaly / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Devouring Orb / Erasing Strike

[crystal rivet]

Anyone can help how to min-max this build?

[austere frost]

Yeah idk tried to find where the bad word was

[uneven gorge]

..no?

[regal grove]

I'm not reading all that my guy. It's so small.

[opaque grotto]

I need help with a simple leveling build. I have the torch firestarter legendary weapon and I am level 60, I am a paladin but most of the guides I see are just wearing legendary items that I do not have and the idols i do not have so how do I get them

[turbid dome]

go to last epoch tools and look up the item name in the item database (on the bar at the top click "resources" then items), under its stats and stuff it will say where to get them or where the best spot to farm it is

a link to LE Tools is pinned in this chat

that part of its item card down there

[cinder bone]

@uneven gorge 200k members le discord vs 55k on the early access path 2.. why? this means le has more players?

[uneven gorge]

Idk, but poe definitely has more players

[steady bough]

Do you also feel the same way that Uber aberota 200 times killed and yen shoes 2LP-1 and nothing more?

[cinder bone]

what is your reaction when you killed it for the first time?

[steady bough]

wau -yes!!!!

but I'm disappointed with the game rules, they should also drop 3LP, I'm at 2.5 thousand corruption and almost nothing worse than a thousand drops, I only have a siphon and 3LP boots, even though I managed to drop something, the upgrade didn't work - the motivation to play the game is decreasing.

[next shuttle]

hey, I'm torn between adding armor shred since I only have 58% from the idol, so should I add armor shred in the WS or void penetration would be better?

[turbid dome]

ideally you want both

roughly 40 stacks of armor shred is 40% more damage

[next shuttle]

can I sacrifice mana on my gloves for shred? or I really need to find LP2 ones

[turbid dome]

what build are you doing?

[next shuttle]

ESVK by volca

[turbid dome]

oh infinite spam es?

Shred is yummy but mana is also really good... any other idols with shred?

[iron basin]

Anyone tried making a healing hands laser build or is that way too meme?

I've given up on tempest strike. I gave it my best so now it's time for some new garbage

[turbid dome]

I think it was okay when healing hands got its tree?

[iron basin]

I haven't looked too deep into it. Just never heard talk of it anywhere other than the support aspects. Pretty sure Empy's group uses a channeled build for one of their supports, but purely for the repeated healing and not the actual laser beam past the channel node

[turbid dome]

Yea

It’s a weird but fun node

[iron basin]

It's got like, 300% ADE/s right?

That's not horrible. Especially since it can repeatedly cast the hit-based spell too

Both of which get the more spell damage from healing effectiveness iirc

Oh it's flat damage from HE, more damage from buff skill levels. That's a really weird condition but a cool scaling factor

[waxen nymph]

I did 😅

But with the Void gloves, that was too meme

[iron basin]

Lol

I wonder what you use in the days of primordials

[cinder bone]

@steady bough my solution is I got 100 % movement speed, from exile boots, 1lp only, I slammed another 30 %. 40k reflect, and shield rush. one mouse button running on echoes. gold farm. so 3lps are not from drops but on the Bazar..but yes . . prices there are borderline unreasonable.

@steady bough visit off topic section...so good conversation now..

[winged pulsar]

Does VK or paladin require less buttons for warpath build?

[austere frost]

Vk is straight up way better i would pick that over pally

You click one button maybe

[quaint sparrow]

Warpath VK is a one button build for the most part.

[next shuttle]

when to use solurons or army of skin in ESVK?

[iron basin]

I think i'ma do some zero-to-hero SCF for a bit and see how far I get. I gave TS an honest shot but it just has 0 scaling on the spells

[turbid dome]

How much crit multi and movement speed do you have

And what’s in the blessing slot that can give the +75% phys res blessing

[next shuttle]

with army of skin, I have 448% crit multi and 71% movement speed. And in my age of winter blessing I have the increased armor

I am following volca's guide but like i get 1shot by random BS during uber fight

[iron basin]

it's absolutely criminal that Skyfall has no sound effects

[austere frost]

Soluron or darkstride are my go to with erasing strike ,usually soluron its better for bossing endgame

[turbid dome]

I'd stick with army of skin then, whats your ehp vs max hit?

[iron basin]

i can't really think of a 5th skill for this skyfall build

Hands, Aura, Symbols are all obvious. I've got smite for procs from Orian's Descent

i guess there's VR as a traversal skill, but I don't need smite on my bars so I can just have lunge or something

[turbid dome]

un specced rebuke on the bar always goes hard

[iron basin]

true

honestly if you could convert abyssal echoes to fire while keeping the decay, that would be perfect

spec for the thing that makes it deal 5% damage each time they're hit instead of removing the DoT. you're hitting pretty fast with HH+Smite

[turbid dome]

real

[iron basin]

i still have no idols other than throne of ambition

[alpine canopy]

Traversal VR is really nice when you are using that velt anyway

[iron basin]

i'll give it a shot. I was using aura judgement for supplemental spell damage while channeling

i found out today that I don't have any Rahyeh's Light this season. have to farm one out

or I just use countenance/mountain instead

[jade thunder]

Is Rive a good skill to invest in during the early game, before getting to going into one of the three specialized classes?

[austere frost]

Rive is good and is a strong skill in the endgame as well if you like to use it still

[jade thunder]

Ah ok, thank you

[turbid dome]

Don’t forget to put 5 points into the “time and faith” passive if your using rive a lot

[topaz shell]

Void Cleave has a node that gives +30% more damage to the next fire attack/spell, but i don't know if it snapshots for the whole duration of the channeling. If it does, then it's free damage for Skybeam. You use VC and immediately starts channeling.

[iron basin]

can't use it with a 1H weapon

[topaz shell]

Aaahhhhh i always forget this dumb restriction lol

[turbid dome]

theres always that one, onehanded scpetre that lets you void cleave

[iron basin]

I need to get a sceptre or wand with % fire damage

technically they can roll EleDot but enough of my damage is from hits I can't really afford that

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxN8219
that's where I'm at with random junk in my stash

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 75

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Paladin (63)

General:

▸ Health: 1,538, Regen: 310.5/s
▸ Mana: 358.95, Regen: 16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 7 Dex / 16 Int / 33 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 132% / 112% / 197% / 85% / 53% / 61% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 629
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (70)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,059)
▸ Block Chance: 54%, Mitigation: 41% (1,107)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 17%

Used skills:

Holy Aura / Smite / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Volatile Reversal

[iron basin]

turns out I don't have any fire damage wands or sceptres. I think i turned all the sceptres into torches for leveling lel

i didn't really plan anything out beyond an idea. I have some crit reduction boots in my stash for crit immunity, a few % health belts to slam with. need attunement/healing effectiveness/fire damage rings

[cinder bone]

@iron basin what build is this? I'm running 900 cc echoes with 102 movement and no hit enemies for efficiency since it's a reflect build. got separate boots for boss which will make crit avoidance and bonus crit 120% reduction at 3,500 hp. but Yes. can't do herald abberoth. it's for builds that has 3lps falconer or erasing void knight. all 3lps on it plus meta build.

[iron basin]

Just some healing hands Skyfall meme

I'll probably try to get it to normal Abby and call it there

[waxen nymph]

Did you test if the Flat per HE get passed down to Skyfall?

[iron basin]

it does, yeah

[waxen nymph]

Cool

I am asking because the Flat Void from sacrificial embrace is not getting passed dowb

[iron basin]

I think probably because you don't cast Skyfall directly; it's cast alongside healing hands

but that's me just spitballing

i actually wouldn't be shocked if just the first healing hands got the bonus spell damage and everything after that was normal. you're technically casting 4/s, not shooting off a single constant healing hands

[high narwhal]

didnt know you can reach 41 on forge strike... but what to do with it?? the skill is too split

[iron basin]

I think that lets you get every single non-minion node

[quaint sparrow]

Seems like a really heavy investment, is that worth it?

[iron basin]

no not really

hit FS is okay, minions are pretty good, and it works decently as a support piece for Smelter's Wrath

regardless you don't need so many points for any of those builds. you need some extra points, but you don't need 21 extra

[high narwhal]

do "melee critical hit", "critical hit increase" and "melee attack speed increase" affix on 2h weapon count as "effect that increase damage" on "foe cleaver" node in rive sentinel skill tree? ty

[waxen nymph]

Flat Melee, Increase Dmg and Chance to Bleed/Ignite and other ailment

[wooden mountain]

buff foe cleaver, make it work for attack speed too

[proper holly]

Does that work with the primordial spear?

[alpine canopy]

No

[waxen nymph]

No

Because the spear gives you a buff, it doesn't carry the stats itself

[proper holly]

I was just checking but i suspected it.
The item tool tips says specifically that the stat of the weapon are actually increased and not that you only benefit from a bonus though. But i get it, it is just like any other items interaction with forger armor and weapons. Doesn't get coded.

[smoky hamlet]

hello i'm lvl 50 and i'd like to know when can i start to play warpath smite with palarus and being able to clean just by spinning around

[proper holly]

You can start as soon as you unlock smite. (If you have palarus)

[timid mulch]

They should add some fine print to that tooltip as Mike clarified in the #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs channel that the actual implementation is more "adds extra stats to your character sheet" than "adds extra stats to the weapon".

[smoky hamlet]

oh ok ty

[high narwhal]

41 point on forge strike is actually fun to play, its just not the best, it can reach 43 with better roll on weapon

i want to test with world splitter next, i think it will be better with that weapon

its just succ on mana managemen

also i hope forge strike can trigger other skill, i think every forge guard skill cannot trigger other skill like flay, heartseeker, or bear

[austere frost]

Sadly forgeguard needs a true rework not what they did to him , if at least they buffed massively its skills then it would be a lot more fun playable

[high narwhal]

yeah also QoL node like what void knight have that give mana is welcomed

im struggling playing 34 cost skill without a way to regain mana

[high narwhal]

almost

[austere frost]

Being farming for a 3lp for a while nemesis helped

[cinder bone]

@high narwhal what sentinel can kill Uber fast?

[true raptor]

Sentinel is more safe than fast really

And I guess that also depends on what you call "fast"

[high narwhal]

void knight warpath is the most used one

[next shuttle]

is there something that can lessen the void damage taken? I cant seem to survive uber abby final part

[loud quest]

Link your profile

[loud quest]

I can do it in about two minutes with Erasing Strike. I think Invandrarna's Warpath can do it in like 30 seconds.

[cinder bone]

@loud quest hi balz..this is v by the way.. I'm planning to switch the lv100 Pall into VK. . is meat here?

[loud quest]

Of course he's here. There's a little piece of MrMeatGuy here in each of our hearts.

[turbid dome]

BIG BOI

[dense otter]

Holy...

[high narwhal]

how

can you link your profile?

[turbid dome]

like your build? import it to last epoch tools's build planner and hit the share button (I now realize I misunderstood this message)

[hollow skiff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olbKvmqQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,726, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 150, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 8 Dex / 8 Int / 13 Att / 42 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 58% / 58% / 73% / 65% / 63% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 1,333
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,767)

Used skills:

Rive / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Devouring Orb / Anomaly

[turbid dome]

that is a juicey butcher crown

[hollow skiff]

yeah thanks. it take time to finded

[turbid dome]

you could also do the funny and swap all your idols out for the +5 vitality idols

[dense otter]

Having alot of fun working on the warpath void build. But it sucks my mana down cuz I dont got anything for it.just the skills and passive points atm

Equipment is just thrown together to survive

[high narwhal]

I once planned to make rive build to but i think its gonna be hard to find perfect mainhand for it. I was planning of evolving void damage with stun and armor shred suffix but it wad asking too much for melee build stopped making it

[high narwhal]

Dont you get that node on passive that replenish mana on 3 stack of something?

[cinder bone]

wild fire palladin can't kill Uber. I equipped 2 T7 . 155,000 judgement, 45,000 vengeance and 42,000 healing hands damages. fire dmg stacked. sunwearth has double t7. crit avoidance and crit bonus dmg both exceeds 100 percent. all resistance above 100. but somehow can't deal damage.

[austere frost]

I hope you are not using the amulet that was deemed pretty much garbage after cycle arrived ,Sentinel doesnt need crit avoidance get damage reduced from crit from helmet and thats it,get health whenever you can and if you are doing dot build you need more damage than that to try kill uber

[dense otter]

Yeah but 99% of the mana regenerative seems to be in the idols

Which I've yet to find a single 1. So they gotta be a monolith drop. I just entered chapter 9 last night

[inner hedge]

mana Regen is not what sustains your mana on void warpath, it's the devouring orb procs.

mana regen is pretty useless in this game overall

void well passive procs will fill your mana

[tacit totem]

hi does overcap penetration equal a more multiplier ? also what is better for warpath smite a well roll hand of judgemnt or well roll cinder strike (both lp 1)

[peak zodiac]

all pen is overcap, there are very few if any enemies that have armor. it’s additive with shred but multiplicative with everything else

i would imagine hand of judgement is better as the smite node on warpath isn’t based on your AS and the melee fire damage doesn’t benefit smite (take this with a grain of salt i don’t play the build)

[tacit totem]

oh so cinder strike i think cause i proc smite with palarus and warpath is like 33/100 of my dmg i think

diddnt know that armorshred and pen werent multiplicative thhought armor and ressistance were completly separated

[peak zodiac]

idk it would depend on how close you are to the cap on palarus as well as if you can fit more melee AS in elsewhere

no, there is also res shred and some (more sparse) stuff that gives enemies -res. armor shred, res shred, pen, -res are all additive with each other in terms of damage calc but multiplicative with everything else

[tacit totem]

okok so i have way enough fire pen

ty for quick answer. and when we re at it how fo you target farm havoc (cof) this season i use more that i naturally get

[peak zodiac]

np i get all mine from imprinted rampant coast and some from uber if i’m farming him, or you can do generic rune prophecies but that seems super tedious imo

[tacit totem]

rampant coast was my strat but seems inconsistant whn i need target farm and not passive farm

[dense otter]

Maaan. I thought there were only 9 chapters. Was psyched to begin monoliths. And get the gear i need

Thanks google for lying to me

[inner hedge]

you can do monoliths whenever after first class change, once you get to end of time.

and empowered once you clear a lvl 90 timeline

[dense otter]

Good to know. Still needed to do campaign for first time. Ill do that on subsequent characters though

[inner hedge]

theres dungeon skips too on alt characters that speed up the campaign

[dense otter]

Yeaa need keys for that too lol

Its no big worry. Just everything on google said there was only 9 chapters. So was excited to do some gear farming

Now I got more stuff to do 😅😂

[peak zodiac]

you get +1 all attributes for completing each of the last two chapters but that’s something i wouldn’t particularly worry about unless i was really looking to minmax my build or needed to hit an attribute breakpoint (like for red ring or razorfall)

getting all the passive points and idol slots is the main thing, after that you’re generally pretty safe to start monos

[austere frost]

We need like an extra passive points for chapter completion or something ,plus 1 to all stat unless you need it for red ring is such a bad reward🥲

[dense otter]

Lol

System is not happy with the sky chain area haha. Getting about 25 fps. Cuz zo much going on

[turbid dome]

no enemy has armor or resistances

so pen is just a %more multiplier, armor shred too

[peak zodiac]

there are a couple rare enemy affixes iirc as well as (maybe?) an echo modifier but i debated whether that was even worth mentioning lol

[turbid dome]

there are?

crud

[peak zodiac]

yeah there’s allres echo modifier as well as a couple that are like “high (damage type) damage and (damage type) resistance

but like that’s honestly not worth accounting for like at all so yeah pretty much it is just a more multiplier

[turbid dome]

fair enough

I don't think I've looked at those echo modifiers for the last 4 years

[peak zodiac]

there has been exactly one scenario where it has mattered for me in the last several years ever since they made the change to echo mods way back

i was playing a LL BD and using peak of the mountain to negate my leech so crit avoidance echo mods were pretty much a no go

[turbid dome]

i see

[west fractal]

wait are you SURE? i've def thought i've done a lot less damage easy game to elementally themed enemies who i've matched elements with

[peak zodiac]

it’s possible that they were rare enemies with the “high X damage and X resistance” modifier

but yes it is true that no enemies have innate armor or resistance, if they do it’s from an echo or enemy modifier

[west fractal]

huh, wild

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

A few enemies do have innate armor or resists.
There are no modifiers that can grant enemies armor, it's only the 2 small draal enemies that have any armor.

[alpine canopy]

Most common with necrotic, I feel like. Maybe just because it's the already beefy necrotic guys that have necrotic res lol.

But any enemy that has innate resists or armor says so under its health bar

[peak zodiac]

ye ik about the armor mods part but are you sure there are enemies that have innate resists that’s not from an enemy modifier?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

[high narwhal]

i want to write suggestion about forge guard, but just want to check maybe i just dont explore more. is forge guard this bad?
i mean compared to other class this class skill have no synergy and something that trigger each other (aside for forged weapon) like flay, bear, and heartseeker? and forge strike (the damage part), smelter wrath and manifest armor are bad af. also this class dont have mana regain node in passive which make playing them on mana cost build feels like suffer

i feel like this class have so many good defensive potential, ok raw but the execution is bad af

havent try shield throw yet but i dont think i can make that work

i feel like the non summoning build have to use skill from the sentinel class instead because the forge guard skill is nothing good, is this what everyone else also come up with?

[turbid dome]

While forge guard’s last couple of updates have made it a lot better, the mastery has a lot of different things it focuses on. If your not combining those and instead focusing on one part of it, you will have a decent chunk of it you just don’t use

It’s very different from VK where everything scales off of the same 2 things

[austere frost]

Its a minion,2 hander ,shield ,throwing mastery like its identity its bad ,needs another rework

[high narwhal]

the addition to can use shield on 2 hand is nice tho

and aside from that iirc theres no smelter wrath or manifest armor unique?

and ring of shield iirc

[turbid dome]

The idea is that you would be a melee build or throwing build on FG and have your minions

Being able to scale both

There’s just not enough support for that

[austere frost]

Yeah but if something we know its a lot better to excel at something than being mediocre at both

[turbid dome]

Yea

It needs a node after the halfway point that’s like, stats that affect you and not your minions apply to your minions at 30% of their normal value

Or vice versa

[austere frost]

In 10 months we will get the rework we need Maybe at least adjust values on skills or passive should help as a bandaid

[turbid dome]

[high narwhal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/CARLreborn/character/viidknight
what tf am i making

[turbid dome]

Soup

[high narwhal]

weird soup

[turbid dome]

Throw a bunch of stuff at it and see if it melds together

Hopefully it’s good soup

[earnest berry]

is devouring orb only automated in vk autobomber when moving, so if im doing arena and standing still i have to numlock it?

[turbid dome]

Yeah only when moving

I run in a small circle for arena echos

[high narwhal]

that node only when move

jsut go left and right

[west fractal]

forge guard's only solid build is all in on forged weapon tbh. pretty much every other build is just learning on harbinger uniques in a way that pretty much any sentinel can do

the forged weapon build's big problem is that using void cleave to buff minions sucks

[turbid dome]

Yea

[peak zodiac]

shield bash is the best forge guard build but it’s pretty dang clunky in maps

[wooden mountain]

if you numlock it you don't get the mana and CDR savings IIRC

[peak zodiac]

when i did uber on all masteries some were definitely worse than others but forge guard was the only one that actively depressed me

[west fractal]

Shield bash is super reliant on one buggy speed interaction with that harbringer hammer. I suspect it’ll get big fixed at some point

It’s really unimpressive without that

Forged weapon gets the job done but the void cleave minion buff requires a bunch of attention to awkward positioning

honestly i think the paladin and forge guard problem is that most of their builds are reliant on the shitty ancient sentinel base kit

[true raptor]

I wouldn't dare suspect anything getting fixed XD

[turbid dome]

tbh the biggest buff for forge guard would be splitting it into two masteries, one for minions and one for big physical brick wall dude

seperate the forge and the guard

Hybrids are always hard/not really worth in in ARPGs unless its just hybrid in visuals

ie: arcane blade in tales of maj'eyal who gets to scale his spells from his melee stats... and triggers their spells for free on melee hits

[true raptor]

I'm not really sure they need to be separated

[west fractal]

Their skills just need more synergy

And frankly manifest armor needs to be way less bad

It gets none work done even when it’s benefitting from forged weapons minions stuff

[peak zodiac]

it’s not a bug though. it’s listed in the tooltip and the skill scaling that it doesn’t scale with attack speed. same as the upheaval node. it’s intentional

[turbid dome]

fair

[high narwhal]

Also QoL like mana generation pls lich have it on its unique and vk have it on its passive node

[high narwhal]

Iirc it can also warpath right? Does is deal warpath damage likr warpath on our tree?

[turbid dome]

That’s whirlwind strike not warpath

It uses warpaths icon tho

[high narwhal]

Im mistaken tho, i remember its sht af. If it can cast at least halve of our warpath damage, it couls be goated like bear or at least usable

[turbid dome]

Yea that would be a good way to buff it

Also make it bit smarter while spinning

[cinder bone]

@turbid dome is Uber abberoth a nerf gate while waiting for the new season/update?

[forest kelp]

Nope

[forest kelp]

He appeared in season 1.2 and it's been almost a year since then

[loud quest]

Ur mom's a nerf gate

[sinful widget]

Getting back into LE for a bit, time to bust out the sentinel once again

Looks like VK warpath and erasing strike are still top dogs but I’m feeling Paladin

[high narwhal]

Nobody love fg 🥲

[waxen nymph]

Lightning Jav is really nice

Multi Smite is real nice too

[sinful widget]

With the new spear unique yeah?

Was looking at multi smite since I haven’t done it yet

[waxen nymph]

Which one? The primordial?

[sinful widget]

The one that splits jav into more spears I think

[waxen nymph]

Ah, that's not really new. It's nice for clear indeed but for bossing you want a t8 melee lightning spear

[waxen nymph]

I enjoyed it a lot

I played it as Paladin

There is a vk version too

[sinful widget]

Probably good for me since the base uniques are common

[turbid dome]

forge guard is fun to build and play... it just always feels mid only using like 1 or 2 skills from fg

its like in WoW classic where the best way to tank is to ignore the tanking tree and invest into damage

it feels weird for the most part

[west fractal]

FG's defensive stuff just... sucks compared to paladin and VK for some reason

i just posted my FG complaints in suggestions lol

[alpine sage]

Hi guy, newcomer, just want to ask. How is the DPS of shield bash forge guard (at least compared to viable builds against uberroth)?

I actually love forge guard and am trying the forged weapon build offline. They seem to deal quite high damage (but that's because I play in offline mode so I have mods that allow me to have the weapon with the right affixes and with maxed roll. Not sure how it changes when playing online. The forged weapons depend too heavy on the stats of your weapon).

[turbid dome]

I think shield bash does okay vs uber Abby

[alpine sage]

Hmm, I think so too. It should have enough tankiness. I'm just not sure about its dps (even with perfect rolled gear). Forged weapon is actually very good and can quick kill uber (not as quick as flay mana lich, bear bm of course but still very quick) if you got good weapon and gloves. But I sometimes die trying to get to the position to void cleave my weapons.

[turbid dome]

That’s the kicker with forged weapons in general imo

Needing to constantly cleave them is annoying

[alpine sage]

Agree with that. Other than that I love fire theme forged weapons and minion builds in general.

Too bad mage does not have minion build here.

Btw I'm not sure but does erasing strike vk seems to have a bit less dps than flay mana lich?

[turbid dome]

probably?

it was nerfed a bit from last season

[peak zodiac]

it’s really not that great compared to what most people expect for uber kill times. i had really good gear (lot of 2t7s) and it was an ~8 minute kill, and it’s pretty clunky for that fight with the ms and mana. does stun him reasonably often and is super tanky vs hits at least

[turbid dome]

8 minutes to kill an uber is what I'd call a 5/10 build which is average/okay

tho yeah if you were in worse/more average gear it woulda taken longer

[peak zodiac]

with like 2t7 immortal vise, erased sentinel etc xd

[turbid dome]

okay mayyybeee slot it down to a 4/10 with average gear

[peak zodiac]

even when i got 2t7 event horizon which, lmao, it’s still like 6 minutes

[turbid dome]

its still not in the category of builds where I'd say to not do uber in

[peak zodiac]

imo it’s the worst mastery in general to kill uber with by a pretty decent margin, and shield bash is probably the best fg build for uber

warlock was probably more annoying but only bc acid skin is bugged

[turbid dome]

I'm still a solid blade dancer hater for uber

[peak zodiac]

bd is pretty ez if you go flask

[turbid dome]

while I can't disagree

I was meaning a blade dancer that is actually stabbing people

[peak zodiac]

cascade is pretty good too if you’re good at controlling dancing strikes but i’m not good at controlling dancing strikes xd

[turbid dome]

I'm convinced dancing strikes is still mildly bugged

like hit reg wise

[peak zodiac]

it’s just super difficult to pilot spamming 3 different skills that all move you while also managing mana in that fight lmao

but the hitbox is a lil janky i agree

[turbid dome]

true

blade dancer should get some auto cast while moving nodes

as a treat

[austere frost]

Bladedancer got some love this season ty to the astral primordial its solid with some builds now forgeguard its a meme at this point

[high narwhal]

+1 on that suggest vk and paladin are miles awat from wtf fg is now

[alpine sage]

Hmm, not sure about average gear for shield bash but I'm experimenting offline with max rolled t7 gears for forged weapons and it defeated Uberroth within 2 mins. Maybe average will cost 3 mins or double the time.

[high narwhal]

i swear this 2 should have interaction but i feel like its not

anyone ever tried this combination? spear of harmony and foe clever from rive node

[uneven gorge]

That was thought of pretty quick. Unfortunately conditional modifiers don't work with foe cleaver, only direct stats. Also like the Sunforged Hammer.

[turbid dome]

cause conditional stuff isn't actually from the weapon

[alpine canopy]

Yep, and unique effects often aren't technically "stats"

[austere frost]

My guy with offline cheats you can beat any uber they make ,now for a proper build forge weapons suck at killing uber and forgeguard itself its really bad mastery to do uber

I am sure you could make smelter wrath work in offline

[high narwhal]

yeah but imagine if its directly change weapon stats. not only clever but forge weapon and manifest armor will benefit from it

[uneven gorge]

ye but it doesn't and they don't

[alpine sage]

Hmm for forged weapons it might me true since it depends a lot on weapon stats and it is almost impossible to roll good weapons. So I'm still not sure how forged weapon could perform online.

Things might be viable but I fail to see how you could make smelter wrath or others like frostbite swarmblade or even storm totem shaman could easily do uber even with offline mods compared to forged weapons (as long as the affixes on the items generated by mods is theoretically obtainable and the items are euipped correctly, e.g. at most one primodial item).

[alpine sage]

Also tbf I think smelter's wrath should be buffed. I don't even know what's the point of the skills and how it works with the summoned weapons/armor/shields.

[austere frost]

You have access to 4 mods with t7 in each slot trust me anything its viable,my guess you can do same thing with passives like take more than what we are allowed and get more skills even smelter wrath becomes very viable

[alpine sage]

Nah, I only take exactly 113 passives and the maximum of allowed skills. I only roll for 4 perfect t7 gears. You could say that I use mod to achieve the maximal I can get from a build planner while playing online is getting the average values. Even so still find a lot of class very hard to do uberroth. Might viable but very difficult and unreliable such as storm totem shaman. Tbh in term of offense isn't it just similar with 2 t7 prefixes? Still I'm aware that actual online gear would be quite harder than having perfectly rolled gears.

[uneven gorge]

I'm fairly certain both smelters wrath and storm totem can do uberroth even on online

And frostbite swarmblade if you have really good gear

[alpine sage]

I saw smelter wrath video online too but 11 mins is not very good

[austere frost]

Nope cause tou have access to penetration and shred and incase of minions minion flat damage which are all pretty big damage buffs as well

2t7 is great 4t7 is a lot stronger

[alpine sage]

I agree with that :)))

And that's why forged weapon might be a lot weaker online

[austere frost]

Imagine my warpath with 40 void pen and 600% armor shred😋

They are weak that's the point

[alpine sage]

But how is warpath compared to erasing strike?

[austere frost]

Better

[alpine sage]

Wait, better bossing?

Haven't done warpath

[austere frost]

For everything

Mapping bossing

[alpine sage]

That's surprising since I googled and heard that erasing strike deals more dps.

[austere frost]

Nope to be fair its not huge difference in a way but warpath is bonkers this season

You spin forever

[alpine sage]

But I don't know why there are most people killing uberroth with void knight when bear BM and flay mana lich can do faster.

[austere frost]

Why not

Bear is very boring

Crap mapping

[alpine sage]

how about flay mana lich?

[austere frost]

I can do both

Mana flay lich can do everything

[alpine sage]

yeah

but still have some occasional mana issue when mapping

[austere frost]

That's best build this season

Meh I am tanky enough that I dont have mana issues

[alpine sage]

I think if I say more about lich I will have to go to the acolyte thread.

back to void knight, perhaps?

I wonder how is time rot javelin void knight nerfed?

i heard that they are the strongest last season.

[uneven gorge]

Most likely because VK has almost always been consistently good, so most people are used to it and/or have gear for it already

[austere frost]

Well you do erasing strike time rot and you still cook uber nor one shot like before

[alpine sage]

I am also very interested in a totem shaman that can kill uberroth in a consistent and reliable way

[austere frost]

Vk has damage all it needed was tankiness and we got that in 1.2

[alpine sage]

So jealous. I wish necro could be the same. I love necro but there is a very huge gap between abomination and everything else.

Abomination is even lazier playstyle than bear.

[austere frost]

Minion builds like mas minion should be viable problem is if your skill tree doesn't have enough or big more damage multipliers the skill is bad

[alpine sage]

what is mas?

[austere frost]

Mass

[alpine sage]

and are mass minion viable, at least online?

just afraid that uberroth kill them all

[austere frost]

Uberroth was a bad choice here make a sponge boss like thats what we all want in game sponge bosses call it pinnacle and if build dont kill it under 3 min they are meh builds

[austere frost]

Nope

[alpine sage]

that's sad

that's why I am so jealous with paladin and void knight

[austere frost]

I hope they learn cause so far this pinnacle bossing is a lot crap than the poe bosses

[alpine sage]

necro only has abomination to do uberroth and it's boring

[austere frost]

Rogues can do uber also skeletal mages I think

[alpine sage]

Huh, really?

[austere frost]

But why I cant run around with a bunch of different minions like in d2

[alpine sage]

they wont die from uberroth attack?

[waxen nymph]

Imo the mistake is to consider Uber to be the bar for viable

I have seen FW do 1k corruption pretty smoothly online

And I feel like thats good enough

[austere frost]

I mean if you can farm uber fast vlad how are you gonna access his op gear

I aint playing mg you know

[alpine sage]

ask the game designers. If they design a boss then they should make every build viable against it.

If a build cannot defeat the ultimate boss then what's the point?

[waxen nymph]

Nope because its uber content, pinacle conter
Like the tip top end

[austere frost]

Exactly thats all in the ehg basket they made it ,gear got worse not better

[waxen nymph]

Not every body can run as fast as Ushain Bolt

Because he is the uber Sprinter

You can be a good runner and never beat him

[austere frost]

There is nothing to do endgame vlad you finish your harbinger yo go to empowered and thats it uber is all that you need to farm and one timeline over and over

[alpine sage]

Except that an engame boss is not Bolt. Boss are supposed to be beatable. Hard but must be beatable.

If a game boss is not beatable then why make it?

[austere frost]

Point is this is an arpg not a single player rpg if we dont make good builds that tackle all content well then why we playing arpgs

[waxen nymph]

To see if stuffs works ??
Like when I can do 1000k I am happy, I know my weird ass idea is functionning

[austere frost]

He'll my mistake this season was thinking the gardener build in poe 2 was going to be trash and man I was so wrong🤣 can do everything well

[alpine sage]

Btw, just want to ask

[austere frost]

Anything works nowadays though with the gear imprint tech very hard to find a build thays doesnt do 1k

[alpine sage]

Do you find judgement paladin a bit boring?

[waxen nymph]

Uber has flaws in its design (like you cant see shit after being in the arena for 15 sec)
But I really dont think it should be use as a metric of power

[alpine sage]

It's like tanking and killing slowly.

[waxen nymph]

Imo its like a side quest

[austere frost]

That's a waste of my time ,at least we can respect mastery fixing wasting time by trying different builds

Its not vlad

[waxen nymph]

Never played but it looks boring as hell
Like Reflect

[austere frost]

Its like saying all the uber bosses in poe 2 are side quests they ain't

[alpine sage]

I saw video of judgement paladin killing uberroth

basically you just face tank him and kill him slowly

which is too boring

[austere frost]

What season this one

Cause they nerfed the hell out of it the season after he was doing that ,damage got a lot worse as well

[alpine sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNuMogAcKU0&t=229s

still tank pretty much everything except the timeshattering slam

[austere frost]

Yeah thays what I said the build got a lot worse 9 min kill with pretty good gear too long

Frailty from uber lowers your healing effect now I think so you dps goes down bad

From paladin I would try uber with javelin that seems a good build this season to kill it ,lightning conversion

[alpine sage]

how about physical?

I don't know which is better

[austere frost]

How hard do you guys think it is to make normal aberroth fight to skill the introduction after you done it once ,I am saving all my eyes until they fixed that long interaction

[uneven gorge]

I agree, but they really shouldn't have locked 2 of the strogest items behind it. Cus otherwise people are motivated to just look up the current most op build just to kill him and get the items

[austere frost]

Lightning is superior

Immortal vise and relic as way too op of items most build will love get those or at least one of them so not farming uber is not a good choice its mandatory to a point that aint side quests

[alpine sage]

I hope that the next season they will buff forge guard

[austere frost]

Sentinel gets like 88 I think flat lightning for javelin in helmet plus more damage and extra flat on the skill tree ,plus pally has some very good lightning nodes if you ge

[alpine sage]

smelter wrath makes no sense

[austere frost]

Next season its rogue and maybe they touch a bit shaman

[alpine sage]

forged weapon require good roll for weapon

but one you got good roll you are unstoppable (which only happens in offline mod sadly)

[alpine sage]

Yeah, also please make totem shaman better

[austere frost]

I would love they would do like buffs through the season my lich mana flay is still bugged in 2 cases one is useless for me but corrupted form not working as intended is bull crap

7 months can't fix that🥲

[alpine sage]

I hope they don't nerf the flay mana lich

please don't give the maximal spell damage increase on increased mana

please

it's my favorite build and it cannot <10 sec uberroth

[austere frost]

They always nerf them its a fact we will see problem is lich has no other good build so idk makes no sense to nerf mana flay

Apparently the coal lich build is bugged so does 0 damage which is great cause I have a 4 lp there for when they fix that

[alpine sage]

hmm, haven't tried but cold havest lich is not good?

you even got the cold aura of decay

[austere frost]

Idk man this game has way too many bugs I love last epoch but man

[austere frost]

Its good its not as good as the mana variant

Better for mapping

Even still 1 build for one mastery and thats it like wtf at least vk has 3 reliable builds

When they gut mana then you only have 1

[alpine sage]

paladin seems to have a lot of builds too: reflect, javelin, judgement

but forge guard sucks online

forge guard needs more love

[austere frost]

1 year after buff forgeguard coming

[alpine sage]

shaman also needs more love other than reflect

reflect shaman isn't shaman

other classes can use shaman skills better than shaman

which is ironic

[austere frost]

They just need to adjust some numbers until they can actually remake his skills or passive tree again like get rid less damage while wearing a shield and let me have access to haste .

[alpine sage]

while the most op shaman build use pure druid skills

[austere frost]

True

If shaman didn't have access to highest attunment nobody would use it for that build

[alpine sage]

I have many to expect in the next season: The buff of forge guard, shaman, the buff of aoe skill for bear and nerf its single target skill, the buff of sorcerer, the nerf of detonating arrow to make it not one shot uberroth,...

also please make lesser minions of necro viable

and maybe the buff of other-than-lightning-blast-runemaster

[austere frost]

Detonating arrow apart from one interaction doesn't need a nerf though it already got butchered when they made the daggers useless which sucks for me as I have 2 4lps sitting there

[austere frost]

Spellblade getting reworked maybe big buff we will see

[alpine sage]

spellblade is good right now (at least shattering strike spellblade is)

[austere frost]

One build remember needs 3 at least

[alpine sage]

it can deal damage equal to flay mana lich when it still has mana

[austere frost]

But aint as tanky

[alpine sage]

and does not have sufficient mana do deal damage constantly like lich

I hope I can play flame reave spellblade in season 4

[austere frost]

Idk looks like they want to make it cast spells when you attack and such we will see i rather keep the melee side of the build and make it better

I dont want to cast fireball when I attack 🤣

[alpine sage]

if it is on par with shattering strike

[alpine sage]

huh that's suck. Aren't spellblade focus more on dex and melee?

why do we care about spell?

or do they want a flay mana lich 2.0?

[austere frost]

Something they need its to adjust skill trees Sometimes you need way too many points for a skill,like keep same scaling with fewer points boom skill got better

[fathom elbow]

were they supposed to make a boss that everyone can one shot I dont understand the point

[austere frost]

Look at the news about the season you will see some stuff about spellblade i did not see anything that made melee play better

[alpine sage]

then I hope that at least they will make a flay mana lich 2.0

otherwise the spell stuff seems useless

[austere frost]

The point is that why make a 24k corruption hp scaling boss that feels does less damage than 4k corruption mobs ,maybe make a boss with good arena and skills and clarity instead cant see crap the longer the fight gets ,dont get me talking about las phase and his tiny crap ring

We all entitled to our opinions but I rather farm bosses in other games than in this one by a mile

[fathom elbow]

I mean from what I have seen most people dont know how the boss fight works

[austere frost]

You are used to flask op build potato go do same thing with hearthseeker or any not op builds tell me thats a great fight

[fathom elbow]

I have seen like 2-3 people actually managing the lasers and pools

instead of playing a broken build and never having to learn the mechanics

[fathom elbow]

bro lol

check my channel

I have an 8 min bladedancer kill

I have a surge kill

[austere frost]

Chakram was cool

[austere frost]

8 min for our standard its subpar nothing to talk about yeah

[alpine sage]

Great. Would you mind doing totem shaman kill? I'm dying to see a totem shaman kill.

[austere frost]

Imagine taking 8 min everytime you want to kill uber so I can kill him 7 times in an hour maybe great

[fathom elbow]

I think the problem is not with the boss but rather with the amount of content in the game

since there are not many specialized content people feel like a build should do every content

[austere frost]

Or the 22 min smelter wrath that guy gonna get great gear killing it e times per hour great

[fathom elbow]

and should be all rounder

but if you look at poe 1 most builds are specialized for the contents they do

[austere frost]

Either tou have clear or bossing or both

Now when a skill does both and excels way too much yeah its a clear choice

Uber its needed cause I am cof either I farm him or I dont get to use his op gear,and let's be honest you want his chest armor or nihilis 2 lp you need to farm uber normal aberroth sucks for that

[fathom elbow]

I mean that exists in every arpg, if you are playing a good build you one shot bosses and clear screens

[austere frost]

Well gardening plants does all content and I dont need to kill bosses in 30 second,I can do them in a min thats good enough

[fathom elbow]

yeah thats poe2

where again there is not enough content yet

so every build is expected to be all rounded

[austere frost]

Point is pinnacle content in LE needs a ton of work

[austere frost]

Still more stuff to do than here

Love game but at least refine stuff

[fathom elbow]

I mostly play rogue, I dont think Im ever touching primalist

unless I want to race

[austere frost]

Why stygian coal lich is bugged and does 0 damage how can I know if it can do uber or not

[fathom elbow]

yeah

at least they are adding something like breach

[austere frost]

Started since 1.0 love the game but aberroth normal fight felt a ton better and balanced

Sad state we are nowdays

I tried every class and most mastery we need bugs out of the game like its becoming too much lich is still and will be bugged until new season so new rogue skills either does too much damage or none idk what to expect anymore

[fathom elbow]

yeah I agree with skill balance and bugs being a big problem rn

in terms of how hard the boss is I like it being a challenge

I would prefer if the skills were balanced and most skills were like 3-5 mins kills

so you would actually need to do some boss mechanics

but yeah the game has a lot of problems rn and I dont think balance or bugs will be their first priority

most people complain about how fast they add content and how much they add

so I think balance and bugs might even get worse

[high narwhal]

beside high corruption theres no other bar right now to gauge the viability of other build

[dapper pond]

Do the Forged Weapons summoned by Rive -> Bound Weapons use the Forged Strike tree nodes that affect Forged Weapons? The text doesn't say that so can I assume that's a "No!"?

[waxen nymph]

They do

No matter where they come from

They are from forge Strike

[west fractal]

"viability" is a term that needs definition but for example, the normal use of viability in diablo 2 doesn't mean "able to solo uber tristram", it means "able to clear hell with reasonable SSF gear"

uber abby isn't a very useful measure in particular because bossing just isn't a primary activity in this game

genuinely, clear speed at ~1000 corruption would be a better measure

[turbid dome]

The devs said their goal (a while ago) was for most builds to be able to preform at 300 corruption

Which then lines up for 500 corruption uber Abby being more aspirational

The target corruption number has probably gotten higher given the whole hunt down the harbies quest

And generally higher power level of gear

[peak zodiac]

i think 300 still being their bar is extremely outdated at this point

with how much better gear we have access to 1000c clear is an appropriate bar imo

[turbid dome]

Yea

I think 1000c is a lil high

[peak zodiac]

is it?

you only need like 5m dummy dps to do 1000c tbh

[turbid dome]

For any generic random build yea

It might be the Poe brain that’s in me but 1 million dps is always my go to target for a build doing well or not

[west fractal]

I mean I agree with the devs that with the current content in the game balancing around finishing normal Abby is the correct goal

I assume the expansion will add higher difficulty main content tho

Super bosses divorced from the main progression system aren’t really “must be able to clear” things

[turbid dome]

Yea

That just kinda shows how much the avg power level got bumped up with stuff like 1 guaranteed slam

[west fractal]

Primordials too ya

[turbid dome]

Yee

[dapper pond]

Thank you!

[alpine canopy]

I don't think so, bar is the same regardless of how easy it is to get above imo.
300 is good because that gets you through all game content minus uber.
Grinding corruption isn't really fun for most people, so I think it's good for them to still aim for it (or slightly above it), even if they generally aren't the best at balancing lol

[peak zodiac]

well, we're talking about the bar for build performance. being able to have a build perform at 300c is a suuuuuuuper low bar to set, given the level of gear that is easily accessible these days

[alpine canopy]

I thought this was in reference to viability

Doesn't really matter how accessible that is

[turbid dome]

Yeah it’s viability, not performance which is why I said no to 1000c

[west fractal]

yeah if you wanna tier list it up for pushing corruption that's a whole different thing than "viability"

the 1000c was me saying "that's more true to actual LE gameplay than bossnig"

[turbid dome]

Ah

[peak zodiac]

i mean, genuinely, if the bar for viability is 300c, what in this game is not viable

[west fractal]

well, the bar that we're discussing is 300c+normal abby without needing to seriously grind gear basically

[turbid dome]

Genuinely un thought out builds

Builds that require extensive gear grinding to function properly

Probably forge guard in some capacity

[peak zodiac]

normal abby is not really equivalent to 300c difficulty despite the fact that that's the requirement

[west fractal]

right but i'm saying both are requirements

cause they're both required for all of the "main" game content

like, if you wanna be more specific i'd say like, all dungons tier 4+300c+normal abby

and being able to do those SSF without a bunch of gear grinding

as "viability"

[turbid dome]

I’d throw in a couple of the faster grinding woven echos too

[peak zodiac]

is there a single skill that isn't a pure support skill that is unable to do that?

[turbid dome]

No idea

More throwing it in for good measure

Any build that can do 300 c and Abby should have those down too

[peak zodiac]

i mean all of those requirements

[turbid dome]

Ah

With enough gear anything is possible so yeah no skill is locked out

[west fractal]

no and that's kinda the point. like, the devs balance around that as baseline viability. i'm sure you COULD make a build too bad to so that

but "viability" is a low standard

[peak zodiac]

like i'm legit pretty sure anything that you actually put thought and effort into and isn't like "rebuke main damage" can get to that point with fairly little gear investment

[turbid dome]

The whole point of it is any random skill in the game, at a minimum should be able to do 300c and regular abby

That’s the meaning of viable in this regard

Dai your using viable to mean a build with solid performance at a higher corruption value, which is a different viewpoint and talk

I would call some skills into question for working well at 1000c

We’re using the same word to mean two different things

[west fractal]

honestly i'd bet almost everything can push 500c at least without needing to LP2+

[turbid dome]

For any possible build with a skill yea

[peak zodiac]

i get what you're saying, i'm just not sure why that's a valueable metric

[west fractal]

because viability is not supposed to be an exclusive metric lol

again, if you wanna talk corruption pushing/uber speedkilling tier list that's a whole nother thing

[turbid dome]

Because when you call a build that’s solid at 1000c viable that’s a different definition of the word than a build that’s functional?

Having every skill be viable at a relatively easy content level means the issue then is scaling into the late game and not something fundamental with the skill

Which from a balance/dev perspective is good

[west fractal]

even then i think there are some buillds/skills that while they numerically can succeed to that point, actually PLAYING them sucks

[turbid dome]

That too

[west fractal]

like "most of what forge guard does"

[turbid dome]

Like forged weapon forge guard

[peak zodiac]

well, like, if a player comes in here and asks "is smelter's wrath viable" by that criteria the answer would be yes. but if someone comes in here asking if smelter's wrath is viable and i say yes they're gonna come in here and proceed to have a terrible time

and at 300c your rate of gear acquisition and favor/currency gain is gonna be pretty bad tbh

and although i'm not an LE dev if everything is considered viable, that would be indicative, to me, of good balance. and as much as i love this game idk if i'd say skills are in a good balance state rn even though by that criteria every skill is viable

[west fractal]

Smelter’s Wrath is viable but not fun, which is also a problem albeit a different one

Whereas like, the holy flare symbols of hope build ain’t really viable it’ll take a million years to get to Abby

[alpine canopy]

Having everything, or close to it, viable is indeed a good thing. It's only part of the game balance though; there's still a lot of variability in how reasonable various builds are to get to viable and how high they scale beyond that, both of which are weak points in LE's balance.

Compared to other ARPGs, some don't have any of those down, so LE is actually decently balanced from that perspective lol

since it at least has one good point

(and it's the one most important for meme builds, which is what I'm here for anyway)

[peak zodiac]

mistia did uber with it iirc

SW is a bad example bc it’s terrible on top of being giga clunk but i wanted to pick a sentinel example and SW is the only bad sentinel skill lmao

[austere frost]

Nobody cares about 300 corruption anymore it has never been something people aspire to since 1.0 devs may say thats what they balance the game around but that aint truth when you have uber aberroth in the picture ,nowdays any skill literally even smelter wrath can get to 1k corruption ,now is it fast ,good,reliable probably not for some ,I would never recommend someone to waste their time on something that clearly doesn't excel at mapping or bossing.

Last epoch has too much rng it has always been a huge problem ,slamming 1lp guarantee is great but you know what ty to uber aberroth and imprints slamming is still pretty crap everytime you miss the slam specially when we talking about items with high lp or a pain to farm. The new runes havoc redemption were needed badly we still dont have havoc runes prophecy which limits my crafting choices by a ton but oh well someday they will get to it

We need to start adapting to how the game is now ,2 years ago getting to 600 corruption was like wow ,nowdays nobody cares and its not recommended to stay there at all 1k minimum,2 k corruption is good sweet spot for farming, nowdays I get way better gear overall and many items cap their lp chance at 2k anyway.

[alpine canopy]

Viability isn't an aspirational goal

[sinful widget]

Man I always have trouble sticking with one character/build in this game, always wanna switch

I should at least unlock empowered monos before creating a new one right?

[worn garden]

play however you want

I have 8k hours in the game, and still have not played or theory crafted builds outside of minion ones really. Best to just go at your own pace, and play what gets you hooked on grinding eventually for that sweet sweet loot, and crafting.

[high narwhal]

Agree with this, i think if build works on 1 lp its viable

Smelter wrath is not, but its mostly on the skill and forge guard passive

I got to 500c with forge strike, not the summon build, the forge strike itself

But i have to stop every 10s to recharge my mana back. No good way to recharge mana as fg unlike vk

Dont ask me to put rive on hit, its hard to put, and i have to hit something with it

[alpine canopy]

The time and faith passive works with a few of the "basic" attacks and does not require hitting

Still not ideal, but it's an option

[turbid dome]

I know EHG wants mana to be a resource we manage, but i do wish we got like +1 flat mana regen per like 10 attunement or something

builder -> spender gameplay is fine, just every build save a few doing that gets boring

[austere frost]

Attunment,dex need real buffs someday specially Attunment stacking

[inner hedge]

solving the mana issue on every build gets old in LE