🔱┃sentinel

[warped helm]

not having time and faith orb for a healing/leeching backup with titan heart makes it also feel very awkward again

atleast i didnt use 6 2lp evolution end's for this setup (i did)

[peak zodiac]

ye i feel like the justification for going non-vk on warpath would be if you wanted to do something like smite warpath, ailments or forged weapons

if you're gonna do crit warpath void well just enables everything so hard that it's really difficult to justify anything else

[south ledge]

in my case will be hard to top that I guess

at first prioritising to get double t7 ES and mana on hit with vengeance, then will go for uber

[uneven gorge]

ye, no point grinding for a side-grade when you already have that

[warped helm]

was debating going vk once more for either ES or rotgrip stuff but im sure as hell not trying that dev orb setup and then it seems like u lose huge amounts of potential

or see if i can make a good plague dragon to go 2h multistrike instead

[austere frost]

Beacon has way more flat on it so it wins plus erasing loves plus skills for more damage multipliers at the end plus you have access to 3 affix reliable cause its low lp overall

[south ledge]

well it has more flat, but loses a lot crit multi. Free 165% crit multi is quite some, also I would have to drop truesight glass. From the FG passive tree I get additional 5% flat crit

and the sustain with almost 7% leech is crazy

[austere frost]

That spear is good

[south ledge]

wanted to build a similar shadow beacon, but sanctum didn't bless me with a good slam

[austere frost]

But if the skill has 600% added effective the flat alone is more powerful

I hope we get more passive points in the future it feels you have to cut corners with most builds to get what you need

[warped helm]

what you need (for very endgame content/uber aberroth)

anything <7-800 corruption 20-24 points seems to usually cut it tbh

hmm not one but 2 good t6/t6 / t6/t7 phys speed spears

[austere frost]

There are plenty of strong builds that need as many points as you can get

[warped night]

smite warpath is still pretty dope on VK

you could argue that part of what keeps those builds in check is that you don't have enough points to get exactly everything that you want. forces you to make decisions about what matters to you

[warped helm]

nice, used the t6t6 on a high roll first cause its almost perfectly rolled

2nd try

[warped night]

ez money

[wooden mountain]

is ES timerot better than hammer throw time rot? I didn't think the multipliers looked all that impressive for ailments before but I could well be wrong.

[warped helm]

btw about rot grip and time rot, wouldnt echo damage modifiers snapshot timerots too, or does that not work

example if you had echos apply timerot with 400% echo damage

[wooden mountain]

echo damage should apply

it's just more generic increased for echoed skills isn't it?

[warped helm]

yeah it is

just a small bit of damage i suppose and not worth ever using exalted mods for

[tough zealot]

Guys, is the chat in the game not working for everyone?

[wooden mountain]

generic increased should work then and time rot is coded to keep the 12 highest damage stacks IIRC

[austere frost]

Maybe but at same time you already have to play sigil of hope with every build almost so idk how much choice do I already get ,like siphon ring plus belt being mandatory for every melee hit build not much choice tere

[austere frost]

The multis are better in erasing ,my question is the 400% chance to apply time rot doesn't buff timerot damage with rotgrip ?only the duration of timerot boost the damage from that node.

I tested that and didn't see much difference at all buy maybe i am wrong

[wooden mountain]

i'm almost certain that rot grip only considers your global stats, though it includes slow chance & time rot chance that is actually global rather than specific to void skills

[austere frost]

What a shame would have being sick 800% more damage 🤣

[warped night]

I mean, that's a distinct tradeoff that is healthy imo. You either get symbols, or you can get the passives. It's balancing the opportunity costs, which is a good thing in my mind. If you're so hamstrung for passives because of symbols, maybe it's worth considering if they're actually worth the investment for your build. They may not be as necessary as you think

[austere frost]

They are mostly though you cant beat 30 flat 200 increase ,crit chance endurance,either more block and regen if builds need

[warped helm]

how/where is the better part on erasing? i think i seen the setup before but hammer adds up to around 650% more

ES has some strong ones but not as many?

[warped night]

then I think it's fair that you need to sacrifice passive points for that

[warped helm]

or does ES timerot play with maces or something

[austere frost]

I think you are right cause of the chains more damage

[warped helm]

i can see the ES appeal for clearing applying timerot to very large packs with ES+rifts maybe but other than that im not sure

(i may be blind)

[topaz shell]

Not only Erasing Strike has good multipliers from its own tree, but it also has multipliers from nodes on other skills (like Void Supremacy on Abyssal Echoes and Abyssal Retribution on Vengeance). So if you use AE and Veng before ES you buff a lot your Time Rot.

[wooden mountain]

hammer isn't a void skill though so you miss out on some of the actual time rot stacks that a void skill would apply per-hit

I've played hammers time rot and it's decent but you do feel the lack of time rot chance actually applying to your skill even if it does apply to rot grip in some cases

[warped helm]

yeah thats what i mean, for clear

[warped helm]

i see, need to check that out

[wooden mountain]

do those buffs apply to the ES echoes too or just the one you cast? I like that Hammer Throw has very high unconditional modifiers for ailments on a very spammable skill

[warped night]

The AE one only applies to the initial hit, but if use AE again before the echo then the echo will consume the buff

[topaz shell]

I think it only applies to the original cast, but not really sure, might affect the echoes.

[warped helm]

one-tapping 12 stacks does sound fantastic playstyle wise

[wooden mountain]

rot ripples is so good for clear on the hammer throw setup, hardly ever felt the lack of AOE

[warped helm]

yea liked that a lot

it wouldve been the setup id go back to but maybe with only 2set and t8 timerot or something like that

and properly capping block

so the 45% more from vengeance > ES works though?

[warped night]

Yeah

[wooden mountain]

VC has three things like that doesn't it?

[warped night]

multistrike, vengeance, and abyssal echoes

[wooden mountain]

ES makes next VC deal more damage, abyssal echoes one and maybe one more?

[warped night]

ES doesn't do anything for VC afaik

[wooden mountain]

oh it's VC which has a next ES guaranteed crit node, that's what I was misremembering

[warped night]

VC can guarantee ES crits

Yeah

[wooden mountain]

wow multistrike, vengeance and AE holy buff management batman

that would be a horrific playstyle

[warped helm]

okay damn, if you were to use a mace & just vengeance before ES, its 913% more

[wooden mountain]

armament stacks, vengeance buff, AE and then finally a big VC for rots

[warped night]

imo it only ever makes sense to take 2/3

[wooden mountain]

oh okay wow that's a lot

yeah I think that beats hammer throw easily

[warped helm]

sceptres did not count as maces did they?

[wooden mountain]

no

[warped helm]

shame, no aberroths command heh

[wooden mountain]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDsCZQTiA you want this anyway right

or maybe not

actually

[warped helm]

i would not go 2h just for +2 tbh

[wooden mountain]

probably just BBC again for time rot

but then you lose the mace multi

hmm tough

[warped helm]

i dont think i seen a BBoC timerot setup yet lol, i think i saw someone mention it here before

6 to 60% roll yikes

[wooden mountain]

they were using it for the javelin setup last season

[warped helm]

oh right thats where i seen it

[wooden mountain]

yeah it had I think 12-120% time rot chance in 1.2

same as the slow roll anyway

[warped helm]

yeah that makes more sense

[wooden mountain]

BBC with T7 chance to slow was basically the easy starting point for huge time rot damage in 1.2 iirc

before you got like time rot on chest and stuff

[visual stirrup]

eeeeh what

I wish I had it on video lol

[warped helm]

just ghost being ghost

[visual stirrup]

nah that was weird

sadly no video though

He just spawned in and I instantly died

[warped helm]

@topaz shell thx for the inspiration think i'll try ES rot this time around then

another 50% more if you went 2h mace i guess mhmm

[topaz shell]

You're welcome, watch this video (he's not even using 2h Mace): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJABaCTtG6U&t

[warped helm]

ahh thats the guy

ok that wasnt the damage i expected

[topaz shell]

I think Shadow Beacon setup the damage is higher due to "Implements of Destruction" on ES, it's pretty much 1.6 multiplier versus 1.36 from the set.

[warped helm]

yeah i was thinking you could maybe still pick up 2set , not sure

[topaz shell]

Not only that you also free amulet slot from the set affix.

[warped helm]

right

[warped helm]

in his case he could replace the ring with a regular/better? one and use a t8 time rot affix which was my plan but possibly hard since the rest of the item may look like sh#t

that would be what another 30 or 40 timerot chance

(if you replaced the set entirely) + mace setup

ok i guess he also picked up gaspar 3set (15% more)

[topaz shell]

I thought this too, another idea would be to use the 60% increased idol effect relic to boost all time duration, slow with void skills and time rot with void skills you get from idols.

[warped helm]

right i love that relic, far easier to implement too

[topaz shell]

Another combination would be t8 slow on weapon with a complete forgotten set, altough that seems inferior.

It's just so many combinations lol

[warped helm]

a problem i see with the mace setup, 28 points required

unless you skip on timerot chance on ES itself

so for that the beacon would be great i suppose

[topaz shell]

Maybe a double T7 on armor? +4 levels for ES plus T7 time rot chance. +2 levels from nihilis or evolution and another +2 from Shadow Beacon.

[warped helm]

mistia's pretty geared and even he didnt fully cap block and is only sitting at 1461 effectiveness, maybe 2h mace more life isnt so wrong afterall

do i dare a removal to get slow chance 👀 unfortunately had chill sealed already

[topaz shell]

lmao

[warped helm]

got another split t7 slow t6 dot for fodder too, i'll tinker with my current char some more then maybe look into the rot shenanigans

[warped helm]

@topaz shell something i realised is mace is going to be awfully slow if you dont have an attackspeed prefix atleast, plus the 30% axe/sword speed is a multiplier for timerot too.. hmm

[forest kelp]

Second?

[warped helm]

man uberroth is such an annoying loser just made to fk over melee once more, if he could just sit still next to his stupid void zone but no he has to charge and leap around like an idiot

[south ledge]

Tbh melee feels much better now for mapping and normal bosses, but totally agree for uberroth. It's horrendous for melee.

[warped helm]

i'm confused, why did people like black blade of chaos for time rot? its modifier from what i can see was never time rot with void skills but the generic chance, which doesnt work with rot grip i thought?

but according to the planner even generic time rot chance works for rot grip

now im confused

[waxen nymph]

It does, and doesnt it have slow chance too ?

[warped helm]

was i misinformed 🤔

it doesnt, atleast not anymore? cant see it was removed on db

[waxen nymph]

Also Dex giving you Inc Dmg for Jav and Pen is nice

[waxen nymph]

I thought it had

[warped helm]

yeah voidpen part/javelin synergy i get

i guess people would not have used it if that 120% was not applied to rot grip

interesting, then my hammer setup im planning isnt as bad as i thought, using 2 20% rot grand's with nest

just so hammer gets to atleast 1.5x chance per throw to apply timerots, 2x if echos

[rare grove]

Yeah the sheer amount of area denial and required movement for uberroth just makes melee feel really bad for it.

[wooden mountain]

generic time rot & generic slow chance work for rot grip just fine afaik

[warped helm]

yeah idk where i had that information from then, thats nice so this set of idols is perfectly good for hammers

[waxen nymph]

From the passive itself

But because it kinda confusing

Generic slow chance also apply to Void skill ^^

[warped helm]

right the first few lines say GLOBAL while the bottom ones mention with void skills 🤔

clearly i never double checked the top ones

though it does mention with void skills too, anyways if it works its fine

[wooden mountain]

I think you're meant to interpret that as the generic global chance does apply to void skills even if the wording is different but I agree it could be clearer

Also just in general I really think they should do a pass of passives/items which are restrictive like that and give you X chance but only for Y skills and make them generic/global. Same for more multis which are hit specific and/or don't apply to sub-skills. For the sake of clarity/simplification if nothing else.

Most ailment builds kind of suck, if something like bleed vengeance was top tier for a few patches would that really be a problem?

[warped helm]

i feel like they dug themselves a hard to balance hole after ailments reigned supreme in alpha for so long, the way they work with the highest multiplier skills (or a good balance of damage and stack count) will always win.. it's a bit of a bummer

not sure how they fix that either, maybe balance by ADE instead of multipliers but then the talents would have to look a lot different

[wooden mountain]

more use of the ailment reduction that warpath and spirit thorns have i think, if a skill is overperforming for ailments because of its hit rate then do that

[warped helm]

or atleast have higher ADE be a multiplier to stacks applied per hit example 600% = 6 stacks by default with 100% chance etc.

way back i used to think that was how it worked (idk why) just made sense to me but quickly realised it isnt how it actually works 😐

[wooden mountain]

yeah it's hard to balance I suppose but stuff like harvest in 1.2 having only hit multipliers on a crappy basic attack is a joke

[peak zodiac]

i and many others have been clamoring for ailment effect to be a thing for forever now

[waxen nymph]

Added Dmg Effect should be a multiplier of ailment aswell

So maybe one day we can play Ignite SW and not want to jump out of the window

Either it multplies the nb of stacks

Or it multiplies the dmg

[peak zodiac]

almost every dot skill (except time rot) is just about getting as many hits as possible but i’d love to have some more big bonk dot builds

[peak zodiac]

the problem with doing just a direct 1:1 ADE > ailment effect is it creates some immediately problematic stuff with things like time rot as well as stuff within skill trees that applies multiple stacks per point (i.e earthquake)

ES time rot would immediately go like literally beyond the moon OP

[warped helm]

see, ghost can do it too, why cant we? (just died to 700 a tick frostbite lol)

[alpine canopy]

I think it is the the typical slam you go for on 1LP

[uneven gorge]

They could just add a new stat to skills then, like 'ailment application effectiveness', so it's easier to balance specifically

[alpine canopy]

They do have that, they just barely use it. Like warpath has 40% less ailment chance

[waxen nymph]

Ah yeah

[alpine canopy]

I personally wish that each ailment calculated its damage differently. More stuff like how time rot is different.

[waxen nymph]

Spirit Thorns too

[alpine canopy]

Like having bleed not stack, but be based on your hit magnitude

[waxen nymph]

Bigger ailment like Spreading Flame

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, poor spirit thorns lol. There's a few of them like that

[south ledge]

spirit thorns might at least be fun without the cast speed debuff on the relic

[waxen nymph]

Ill tell you

I am about to try it

[south ledge]

dont try spell crit

just go for frostbite

😄

[alpine canopy]

Without the debuff, they'd just need to nerf it some other way

It's a significant dps boost as is

[waxen nymph]

Spell Crit + Avalanche + Entwined Legend + Halvard

I need 100k gold first to respec my druid to shaman

Turns out, it wont be that ^^

[alpine canopy]

Definitely let me know how it goes, haven't found a Halvar build since the avalanche rework I could bring myself to run

[peak zodiac]

ye that’s what i said, been on the ailment effect train for forever

[alpine canopy]

It's one of my fav sets though

[peak zodiac]

i’ve been meaning to write a long suggestions post about ideas for supporting stack capped ailments (similar to time rot) for a while but never got around to it

i wish doom was a fun ailment that you could scale in quirky ways instead of “the thing you need if you want to do damage on a melee build”

[alpine canopy]

Short and sweet suggestions are ideal when you can do it that way

[waxen nymph]

Noice

[alpine canopy]

Someday™️
Hoping they overhaul it really, the doom + belt combo is not ideal

[waxen nymph]

oO

[peak zodiac]

i wrote a feedback post about it a while back but i hate what it does to melee builds, it’s the same toxic overbearing design that plagued volatile reversal for years

[waxen nymph]

Never noticed the background is like teared apart

[peak zodiac]

increased damage taken has basically never existed in this game in a way that’s not problematic

[peak zodiac]

iirc it’s like this for all prims

[waxen nymph]

Yeah

Just hadnt noticed yet

[peak zodiac]

i guess harvest has the 5% increased damage taken and that one is fine but every other instance of increased damage taken i can think of has been problematic

[alpine canopy]

Inc damage taken isn't much different from a more multi or armor shred. Like in doom's case, it's just way too strong for what it is so you feel forced to use it

Like if you put "16% more damage" on a ring, people gonna use it, especially when it gives a bunch of generically useful stats alongside

[waxen nymph]

And if you use the proper belt you get 42% More Dmg !!

[peak zodiac]

correct, it’s not inherently a bad thing, but the fact that every implementation of it has led to toxic design leads me to be skeptical that it can be implemented in a non-problematic way

[waxen nymph]

Alright Shaman time

[alpine canopy]

I don't think I'd say that is a fact, there just aren't many implementations of it at all. Overall it has about as many cases where it's okay as cases where it's not, and if you include more damage taken then it's even more typical looking (for LE balance)

[austere frost]

How strong is shield throw hit damage dps wise i got a 4lp yesterday maybe give it a try someday

[waxen nymph]

Pretty strong

Not on the lvl of like warpath or ES

[zealous iris]

if I cast that with forge strike, is it still melee damage ?

because it is written "cast" and I guess it's ranged so...

by the way, is it still a melee attack ? I'm a bit confused sorry

[waxen nymph]

Yes its still a melee skill

[zealous iris]

thanks !

[warped helm]

i did the fire version with MA ricochets and i dont see how you make that dumb pos tanky other than just adding a minion life roll or two somewhere, guy dies to everything in higher corruption

you can insta resummon but if he then insta dies and is still on cooldown youre just twiddling your thumbs

the whole manifest armor tree is such an oddity

[warped helm]

man even with a 0 cost hammer, between anomaly AE and orb im still spending too much mana

[wooden mountain]

void well not keeping up?

[warped helm]

not using it since im not stacking any mana and dont wanna lose my void essences

this however fixed me up with my 58% reliquary nest

been spamming enchants since 2 hours lol

[wooden mountain]

good luck!

[austere frost]

The whole re roll weaver idols needs to be changed it should be able to reroll affixes not completely change them ,I hope they figure that out for next season's

[waxen nymph]

I would love for idols fusion / recombination

[warped helm]

with the marked talent picked, at which point does this debuff even apply? where i cast anomaly at (mouse) or does it apply to anything entering my bubble

[waxen nymph]

Enemies hit by the cast

[warped helm]

700k something timerot ticks so far

my 1500 bleed stacks couldnt get to that

[warped helm]

thats a little toxic

[tardy mirage]

owo

[south ledge]

[waxen nymph]

How much Vita do you need?
Yes

[south ledge]

I tested multiple skills with a mostly similar setup

turns out rive VK is the strongest

with the trident

dmg wise

[waxen nymph]

Oo

At the same time I am not that shocked

Rive do be giga strong

[south ledge]

yep

the 452% increased void damage gets also doubled

so no surprise there

uberroth goes down quickly, but I still died too fast also 😄

even with 4k HP

probably with T7 %health on the titanheart as well it might be more easy

[waxen nymph]

Indeed

[wooden mountain]

and you get the 5% base crit from forge guard too, very nice

[south ledge]

I get uber abby down to 80% HP and around 60% of his ward, before the first slam

currently thinking how to move my bunnyhop voidmage from 1.2 in 1.3 😄

truesight glass might be good also there with 5 flat crit from SW and 4 from blood mage gloves

[waxen nymph]

Bunny hop Void Mage?

[south ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvKvhvP2Ao&t=46s

basically this

idea is to constantly hop with the short range reversal to get 100% echos for d-orb

can also be played without the rotation node, but you need a macro again then

Video is 1k corruption

[wooden mountain]

man the lack of speed scaling on volatile reversal is horrific

cool concept tho

[south ledge]

yeah 🙁

[wooden mountain]

you must get so much flat from stacking vit

[warped helm]

i gave it a few tries yesterday i get him down to 80 &70-80 ward usually first slam, if i dont stun anyway

making mana stuff to try erasing just because

[south ledge]

good luck with that. It's definetly a fun build

[warped helm]

low frenzy duration but wasnt the focus i guess

idk how that helm still has 45fp lmao, need to grab some runes

question is do i redemption the armor or maybe the res if it jumps to that

armor is probably a bit of a waste

[waxen nymph]

Fun !!
Do you have a planner?

[south ledge]

sadly didn't save the planner of this build

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe2kKpaB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (72) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,191, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 217.43, Regen: 14.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 21 Att / 111 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 60% / 54% / 76% / 90% / 157% / 162%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,071
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,732)

Used skills:

Devouring Orb / Anomaly / Volatile Reversal / Symbols of Hope / Abyssal Echoes

[south ledge]

this is what I'm playing right now, without the dark moon node though

dark moon version is faster but has less damage

and kinda funny to carry like 15 orbs with you lol

instead of t8 d-orb probably t8 increased echo damage would be decent or vitality

planner and items far from min maxed or optimal

just took good looking items from my warehouse at first 😄

[waxen nymph]

Dark moon?

Also

Can save a pt in soul eater

[wooden mountain]

and you're using volatile reversal second jump jumps forwards and volatile reversal doesn't have a second jump as well as not using the volatile reversal echo rn afaict

[south ledge]

oh true

ah yeah forgot to remove the point, but it doesn't matter much for reversal

[wooden mountain]

I'd think with the self cast build the volatile reversal echo would be even more important/desirable

you have more control over the timing of things

[south ledge]

yep

with anchored timeline you still jump > 4 meters

frees up many passive points, because you don't need any echo chance

not sure about the "eternal banquet" and "chrono-douver" nodes in reversal. Just seems clunky to me

[south ledge]

dark moon is the orbit node

[waxen nymph]

Ah

[warped helm]

i was thinking a lot about changing something on my rive setup too or wether my apathy maw really is good for it

i saw some people not even go for t7 flat because rive already doubles the 200 from the base

90% AS roll would probably feel insane but im not necessarily slow, maybe maw as a base just isnt that great but spears miss even more attackspeed and whatnot idk

and you cant even make a proper sword catcher setup without a good frenzy source

and then the thought of replacing reliquary nest for truesight, i can get the crit no question, but i will lose a ton of attributes that enable my red ring lol

though changing to erasing i might already have to throw out red ring too

[south ledge]

Trident + truesight is an easy pick. But without trident wouldn't go for truesight I guess

[warped helm]

really? why is that? higher base multiplier makes truesight worse by default or am i missing something

interesting echo, first ravenous drop, first thicket drop, 2nd 4lp bee glove for the museum

[south ledge]

I meant in a sense that is much easier to get to 140% crit with a trident. Ofc the value of truesight goes down with trident, but not that significant

[warped helm]

ah ye, so like my 18% crit maw would really speak for truesight too and axe /rive having no default crit multi other than idols

would really speak for truesight

but i kinda dug myself a weird hole with nest

[south ledge]

truesight has the bonus of up to -20% dot damage taken

[warped helm]

yeah, and the setup especially for uberroth does not use the endurance bonus at all either

im not even at 50% anymore because its mostly oneshots im worried about

(the nest setup)

maybe i could swap out an ornate idol for double 5 vita idols or something

still need 4 or 6 more stats iirc

[austere frost]

Swordcatcher the axe is stronger than maw if you decide to try that , 6 extra skills its really strong and its way easier to get 2 and maybe someday 3 lp with rive extra skills amounts to more damage ,

You need flat plus attack speed for rive on weapon

[warped helm]

yeah well and a reliable frenzy source

[austere frost]

You have nihilis i guess

[austere frost]

!vengeance reliable enough

[warped helm]

@south ledge btw i think one of the strongest aspects about trident is actually the auto AE paired with a no cost skill that regains mana quickly

if i were to weave AE into my regular rotation id have a worse build 100%

[south ledge]

Also the 7% leech

Sustain is crazy

But it's hard to get a decent 2 LP one

[forest kelp]

Have few but bad roll

[warped helm]

i already forgot, i got plenty woven echos to potentially farm some

141 2lp man thats rough

not like im doing much more this season aside from a bunch of vk back and forth, might connect 40-50 later

wait splitter is 236 2lp and i farmed 2 of those already not really focusing on it

well until yesterday but i decided a max mana roll and 1lp maxed flat void would be much more important than mediocre 2lp

[warped helm]

oh yeah, i got another 2lp splitter farming for 2lp atrophies

[warped helm]

this hammer timerot setup is so comfy, if i had another 30% timerot ornate id be over 300 generic chance and would just need 4 throws to cap, feels really good

[south ledge]

still need to slam this beauty eventually

[warped helm]

ooh 52% nice

alright ES helm turned out nicely

[austere frost]

Seed is very good helmet for erasing if you ever need more tanky set up

[warped helm]

the immunities are cool yeah but other than that

the endurance seems meh if you dont really have more talent stuff to spare for endurance

[south ledge]

looks decent

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVzr6VvA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (88) / Forge Guard (5)

General:

▸ Health: 4,120, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 228.51, Regen: 9.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 90 Str / 15 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 60 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 75% / 74% / 96% / 165% / 110% / 112%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 824
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (168)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,667)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Vengeance / Devouring Orb / Anomaly / Erasing Strike / Abyssal Echoes

[south ledge]

final iteration for my Vengeance/ES VK

double t7 on the armor would be dope

[warped helm]

will see how often i get locked out of erasing strikes and hate everything

[south ledge]

but can facetank rampant coast on 1.5k corr with this

and kill the mob in like 4-5 seconds

xD

[warped helm]

man immortal vise are so ... whyd they have to be an uber drop

help a melee out D:

[south ledge]

haha

I did it last season when judgement pally was op

right now, even with this build it's not easy

[warped helm]

was gonna ask if you managed to kill him again with that setup yet

this was an extra echo right, it doesnt overwrite your normal chance?

[south ledge]

yeah should be additional

[warped helm]

i wonder why people avoid then

surely 3 additional mana cost aint gonna break your mana stacking ES build if the other thing just consumes 60 flat

[south ledge]

less at kspeed also means less dps and mana recovery

[south ledge]

let me confirm that quickly

[warped helm]

no need to i respecced

though i get the 3rd attack/echo total 9 extra mana cost

and yeah reduced attack speed meh

but why is reduced attackspeed less mana recovery?

in your case i get it, im mana stacking+void well now

actually almost 1200 mana without lagon blessing

[south ledge]

well im playing without extra mana

my mana regen comes from vengeance

[warped helm]

right

[warped helm]

rip red ring, but crit capped and decent life/mana pool

lets see how pure ES plays

1:10 dummy kill damn, thats quite a bit slower than rive

oops was missing 2 points on erasing still

[austere frost]

Every point of mana shields 5 damage to life i think so its pretty bonkers cause you are going to be stacking mana anyway

And it gets dr to that effect

[warped helm]

given that i posted a t8 mana helm earlier, it doesnt for me

i wouldnt wanna use that helm, any damage screwing the mana pool seems rough

[austere frost]

I mean its the bis helm but the exalted helm is a close second as you cab get

[warped helm]

oooh my ring is really bad for erasing now for doom uptime, 18% chance was fine with rive not with this

alright i'll fix this up tomorrow

[austere frost]

The less attack speed on passive is a bad node overall,lowers your damage and more mana cost not great for erasing

[forest kelp]

because they play in low corruption + whatever works, but that's a passive that I must have when playing at 2k2, when my as is above 200 then -10% is no problem

the thing that takes away your mana the most is time loop, the others are negligible

[south ledge]

almost got him, in my second try already so it's definetly doable with this build

[warped helm]

so erasing seems like a decent farming upgrade but singletarget is inferior to my previous rive setup for sure, even kinda spamming with 1300 mana and crit cap

plus the loss of red ring i guess

also kinda miss the mini movements you cant do when swinging erasing

[south ledge]

I don't like the Mana stacking variant

vengeance adds so much damage reduction

[warped helm]

definitely see the appeal

[warped helm]

@south ledge btw while grinding with the timerot guy i atleast managed to make some 3lp falcon fists upgrade, those hold my shred now (yay another thing to replace back if i should beat uberroth and get gloves)

[south ledge]

man even with immortal vise uberroth is tough

[warped helm]

not too enjoyable i will say that, i'm surprised i'm still trying or still want to try

just to say i got it done (as melee no less i guess)

i guess the 20/20 try gave me too much hope ha

[subtle forge]

guyz how much dmg you need as a sentinel in the end game

[waxen nymph]

Depend on what you consider endgame

I would say for uber, less than 10 millions is going to make the fight quite long and tedious

[subtle forge]

thank you ❤️

[waxen nymph]

If you dont plan to do uber (which is fine) you need less than that

[subtle forge]

I have 45k with shield bash but the char is only 74 lvl, I am waiting for latest items and points from skill tree

[waxen nymph]

Also I hope you are not talking Tooltip dps

Its not really accurate

[subtle forge]

I don't know what it is

[waxen nymph]

When you hover over your skill, it gives you a dps estimate

[subtle forge]

oh, yes, I was looking on that 😅

[waxen nymph]

Its fine to get a rough estimate of what increase your dmg or not

But to get an accurate number > Excel

Or Boss dummy kill time

To give you an idea, killing the boss dummy in 1 minute is around 12million dps

[subtle forge]

where I can try this

[waxen nymph]

In the arena

Divine Era > Heobora Region > Left side

[subtle forge]

I need to complete soulfire bastion first

[waxen nymph]

If you have a portal charm its instant

If you dont have one and are in season I can give you a hand

[subtle forge]

I have one

[south ledge]

can we get the meteor champion tier 8 on any one handed weapon?

[south ledge]

k thank you

so sadly not on one handed swords

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[south ledge]

so only primalist can use firestarter torch + t8 meteor champion

sadly primalist can't do anything good with ignite 😄

[waxen nymph]

Ah yeah

[waxen nymph]

Wait we have ... ... ... Tornado ??????

[south ledge]

so techically fire tornado is the only interesting meteor champion build? xD

generally don't think it makes sense to build any ignite setup without firestarter torch

[waxen nymph]

I mean you can get a 1h axe in your main hand a play paladin

[south ledge]

although if it works on dagger we could play Lich also

was trying to fit firestarter torch + meteor champion

[waxen nymph]

My best Meteor Axe

[south ledge]

that's decent

[waxen nymph]

I love farming the multi beasts echo for good champion affix

[south ledge]

yep feels good 😄

[waxen nymph]

If only they were a little bit more competitive

[south ledge]

I just opened 15 as well

luckily my ES VK can do them on 1.5k corr

[subtle forge]

died at 90 to champion's crit dmg lol

[warped helm]

@south ledge back to rive for me as well, sub 40 second dummy kill with 5100 hp atm with nihilis and nest again, tried truesight but it makes it very hard to fit in red ring / have to make cuts elsewhere which lead to it not being better at all

need to test double vita/melee idols vs another ornate, wish the dummy would just respawn lol

[waxen nymph]

HC?

[subtle forge]

hardcore? I am not playing hardcore lol but I can't kill this dummy

oh wait

I see now

the dmg is stacking lol

80k average

52k estimates

[waxen nymph]

Usually we bonk this one

Its the boss dummy

And it get the dmg "reduction" bosses usually get

Like shred is less effective or stuff like that

[subtle forge]

LFG

[warped helm]

90 vit - 36 sec
ornate vit/void idol - 38 sec
2x melee vita idols - 40 sec
ornate echo/void idol - 36 sec

taking testing too far over here

guess the 90 vit idol setup is the clear winner since it puts me over 5200 hp too, time to farm a few more humble weaver idols i guess

also evading "for dps"/singletarget is pretty much not worth it for me for the basic 20% frenzy, still huge value to have for actual combat though

[alpine canopy]

Lich can also, and every class can use firestarter with Maehlin's which is the same effect basically

[austere frost]

The crab ring doesn't let you roll still get frenzy buff

[subtle forge]

is it good

I like rolling

[austere frost]

It's great 20%faster ms 12 vit and 6 all stats increased armor ,its pairs well with nihilis

[subtle forge]

nihilis says
(1.2 to 4) Seconds of Frenzy after you use Evade

so you can still use it?

nice

[austere frost]

You use evade but instead of rolling its a crab that comes out

[subtle forge]

what crabs do

omnis also looks good btw

[austere frost]

Omni was ok before nowadays unless you needs mass resist cap nihilis,evolution are just better specially cause getting a 2 lp on those its easier (nihilis not so much) anyway shield bash doesn't care about attack speed scaling and doesnt need that many skills points

[austere frost]

Nothing a meme from devs but ring its one of the better ones we have🤣

[subtle forge]

there are not many rings I can compare with crab ring but it's cute

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[wooden mountain]

Lich can too right? offhand dagger & axe

[south ledge]

even has some fire skills

tbh the fire torando isn't too bad with this affix

[wooden mountain]

infernal shade pop, sacrifice and chaos bolts look like the best ailment damage multi skills you can get as Lich

chaos bolts needs a huge amount of HP (& missing HP) to be really good though

[subtle forge]

crab ring feels too bad to play lol

[subtle forge]

Ive just noticed characters stats (strength, int, dex etc.) are too low so items with 20+ stats are so good

[keen radish]

Attributes aren't inherently very good/important. You only really want them if they're relevant to your build. Otherwise other stats are often better

[subtle forge]

block chance but it gives 1.5% scaling meanwhile strength gives 4% for Shield Bash

[keen radish]

Strength gives shield bash 4% increased damage. Block chance gives it 1.5% more damage, big difference

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/increased_added_and_more

[peak zodiac]

shield bash does however also gain 1% more physical damage per strength from the “iron arms” node

[subtle forge]

so (increased physical+increased melee dmg) x (strength+block chance) = estimated total skill dmg

thanks

this morning I was dealing 80k dmg

[waxen nymph]

If you want a hand let me know

[subtle forge]

thank you again, you are so helpful ❤️

[warped helm]

whatever happened to your lightning fissure, was it good? i kinda figured the lightning scaling itself (multi) might not even need devotion shenanigans

my rive vk actually has 500 more hp now and a fair bit more dps, now i just need to not play like ass and uberroth should go down

[waxen nymph]

It was not good at all

I was expecting a lot more dmg with the stuff I had

Maybe there was a bug

Because the dmg wasnt there

[warped helm]

was it a lot of flat not much inc damage behind it?

[waxen nymph]

Honeslty idk

I had a lot of flat, a decent amount of inc dmg (like 800%)

100%+ Crit multi

And clear at 300c was really bad

[warped helm]

🥳

[waxen nymph]

GG !!!!

@feral hatch https://youtu.be/d2LKR9bcjTM

[warped helm]

thats surprising yea wtf

[waxen nymph]

With 1lp t7 legs

[warped helm]

nice first kill loot, glove already 1lp

[waxen nymph]

Good, you picked them up ....

[waxen nymph]

I realised there is no echo footage

And thats where the build shines ...

[feral hatch]

Congrats!!! What specific rive VK you playing??? I have a sword catcher butchers crown version that’s rocking hard but I dunno about Uberroth

[feral hatch]

HOLY, ok I see what you mean! That is some crazy single target DPS. You chunking while health chunks and the ward at the same time

[warped helm]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BErWJaeo , just happened to find a 3lp maw and went for it, otherwise id maybe try sword catcher too

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,109, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 154.85, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 75 Str / 11 Dex / 11 Int / 16 Att / 90 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 85% / 96% / 94% / 84% / 146% / 146%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,532
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (51)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,536)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 11%

Used skills:

Devouring Orb / Healing Hands / Anomaly / Rive / Symbols of Hope

[warped helm]

in the end nest not only provided great dps but more health too i guess, pretty sure i got hit for 4.3-4.5k twice in that kill

and 90 vita breakpoint for 10% more damage

could even replace anguish or nest strength roll now

[feral hatch]

I wonder if shattered worlds could replace nest? It gives up to 10% DR which might compensate for the health loss. Frenzy effect helps a little if you use nihilis or get frenzy somehow

[warped helm]

yeah i was thinking about shattered worlds+truesight swap, but that would require me to kill him a few more times and maybe (maybe not?) get a lp on it to begin with

my first one was 5 crit 5 dr

i will try again but i might be over it, the fight is just not that fun, unless the glove trivialises the big hits a lot more now

[feral hatch]

What’s the 90 vitality breakpoint?

Yeah the fight is loooooong

[waxen nymph]

DOrb

[warped helm]

had to farm a couple more idols too, one idol was plain void damage vita ran out of good melee ones

[feral hatch]

Ahhhh I totally missed that portion of devouring orb

[warped helm]

f

[south ledge]

At least you can use it to reroll your 1 LP later

[forest kelp]

just phase 1 😁

[warped helm]

lol, not even joking, first try after last night and i killed him again, fairly certain the gloves saved me from death atleast twice

4 crit 8 dr relic this time around

[south ledge]

Yep immortal vise are a game changer

[warped helm]

👀 and okay the gloves trivialised it for my setup now, 4 kills in a row

[warped night]

ouch that attack speed roll

keep em around and hope you get a reroll fodder from some egg failures

[warped helm]

yeah gonna make some towers see if i can turn these into a last big upgrade for this guy

idk if i still wanna work in the relic if i can even make a good one, this setup is sufficient and i like the hp pool quite a lot now

[warped night]

that's fair, but don't underestimate the frenzy buff. it's up to an additional 20% attack speed, and that's not even taking into account the rest of the relic

it can also help free you from melee crit on your weapon

though if you planned on trying out truesight then that's probably not the case

[warped helm]

yeah im definitely not wswapping off the maw anymore at this point

was just trying to finish the uber goal i was sorta done with the season already, just came back to throw some attempts at uber

time for that other game on friday if you know what i mean

[warped night]

honestly I haven't been paying attention. is there a poe season on friday?

[warped helm]

yup

[warped night]

makes sense then. no point in burning yourself out playing something you're not super into at the moment

[warped helm]

seems rather difficult to even get a good shattered worlds to begin with anyway

the roll ranges are crazy on all of them

same with sword catcher, thats like a project and a half too getting a well rolled 2lp one

[warped night]

shattered worlds is indeed difficult to get a good roll, but not impossible since all you really need is 1lp

sword catcher is at least easy to get. 2h axe prophecies drop quite a few, and getting 2 affixes from the nemesis egg isn't uncommon, so getting reroll fodder is not that difficult

plus you can imprint a well rolled 2lp/2 legendary affix one and then you're more likely to get another well-rolled one

[warped helm]

i see, idk why but i remembered 2lp catcher being 1:150+ will keep that in mind for the next 2h adventure i guess

tried to send 2 2x t7 rive/health titan hearts but no luck rip

wouldve probably been close to 6k hp with that lmao

[warped night]

feelsslamsman

[feral hatch]

I got a T7 flat void T7 % increased void sword catcher with +6 skills and it slaps on Rive. I tried uber a couple times and couldn’t down him though so I’m not sure if it’s better than Maw. It could be the fact that I use butchers crown and my health is always draining that’s killing me though

I think I’ve seen up to 5 million crits on the boss dummy with my setup, how high of crits can you achieve on the dummy @warped helm

[warped helm]

too hard to tell but i kill the boss dummy in ~35 seconds, and yeah i decided against trying any butchers crown setups vs uberroth, i had attempts where i was moving him around no flasks <300 hp

[feral hatch]

I could probably use nihilis to proc frenzy instead but I’d lose about 20% attack speed plus about 45 flat melee on sword catcher (the 40-60 melee damage scales with frenzy effect SUPPOSEDLY)

Oh ok I’ll see how fast I can down the dummy if I log on

[warped helm]

my 2nd pick wouldve been truesight since i have massive basecrit anyway, but it allowed me to free up other sources for crit like symbols so i could instead get most of my ignite chance for rive there

[feral hatch]

Oh for flame drinkers?

[warped helm]

yeah

[feral hatch]

Yeah I think I have some from symbols and maybe a prophecy? Seems fairly easy to maintain 20 stacks on a single target. I need armor shred, I’m lacking that, I have a 2 lp uber gloves but no good base to try to slam

[warped helm]

yeah my 3lp falcons ended up with 90+ shred which is more than enough with rive+HH, now swapped back to one rive multi+shred ornate, 35-40 stacks only but seemed sufficient

[feral hatch]

I think 100 stacks is the gold standard no? That’s what I’ve always thought atleast

But it read somewhere that no armor shred vs having the max stacks before diminishing returns is something crazy like 50% more damage?!? Is that true?

[warped helm]

40 stacks vs non physical (void) is roughly 40% more damage, 55 about 46%, 100 about 54%

[feral hatch]

I haven’t tried true sight yet, bc it only procs 40% of the time and when it does gives 300% increased crit multi it seems like 40% or less more damage depending on how high your crit multi is already. I have not tried it though so I might be totally wrong

Ahh ok, so 40 stacks is the goal

[warped helm]

it would be worth having more but i wouldnt drop like t7 multi on my nihilis for it ever

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

if you wanna check for yourself its pretty handy

[feral hatch]

Hey anyone know if melee forge guard is good? I got a decent double T7 sword and a T7 flat physical melee on that Whetstone gavel and I’m trying to pick a build it would work with

Vlad suggested warpath since I’d get 10% flat crit and 50% physical penetration with a sword and mace

But I don’t think VK would be best for that? I’ve never played forge guard before

[silk wasp]

Let's start with what you mean by good

[feral hatch]

Haha yeah that’s a good point

I suppose I meant, if I had a decent weapon combo physical based, what build would have the most synergy?

I’ve never played a physical based build I don’t think, so I’ve got no clue

[silk wasp]

MS or more likely Rive though I really can't think of a reason to play FG if you want to DW

[feral hatch]

Yeah I thought about rive but I’ve already got a decent 2 hand version and going dual wield will lose a ton of damage I would assume

Oh yeah digging into forge guard tree it looks like they really want you to use a 2 hand

[warped night]

could do rive & warpath

[feral hatch]

Yeah warpath is what I’m thinking but I don’t know what mastery is best for a physical melee build. VK is really good for melee but has a ton of void damage and not so much physical. Paladin has the not physical damage I think and forge guard tree seems to push you towards 2hand weapons.

Prinalist swipe EQ seems to have the most synergy with a pure physical build

[waxen nymph]

Paladin could get you a lot of tankiness + extra crit

[feral hatch]

Ooooof my boss dummy kill is 45 seconds, too slow!! I’ve only get 42 vitality so I wonder if that’s a big factor. I’d get almost 50 more flat void plus 10% more from devouring orb, that would help

[feral hatch]

Yeah I might try that tonight if I have time. I’ve got a level 90 or so paladin that was already warpath but fire version with smites, so should be easy to swap over

[cinder bone]

h! , I'm new to the game. played 5 classes now I'm focusing on sentinel to finish monolith quests..

[feral hatch]

Sentinel strong for sure!

[feral hatch]

I could always just get a strong one hand sword that’s got flat void instead of flat physical lol, might be easier…..

[waxen nymph]

Tempest Strike can benefit from all +3 lvl from gavel ^^

[feral hatch]

Oooooh! Man I was trying to think what skill would benefit from that combo of skill levels, you genius!

So I asked the question in prinalist section swipe vs tempest strike for proccing ew aftershocks and a couple people said swipe. I assume bc of the global more melee damage and crit damage BUT tempest strike hits significantly faster sooo….

I don’t think tempest strike tree has any global damage synergies though right?

[waxen nymph]

Well there is a capp on aftershocks proccs

[feral hatch]

There is???? Dangit that doesn’t show in tooltip

https://youtu.be/kzTDbNumu1k

Maybe this?

But maybe not low life if I run gavel bc I’d miss out on all the intelligence boosting ward retention not using cleaver solution

[haughty geyser]

Guys. How meta does my build have to be for uber ab? I'm playing the holy lawnmower (it doesn't even show up on max roll)

[cinder bone]

i selected forge guard because in campaign it's all about fighting the void so I did not went for the popular void knight. did not went paladin because he's so holy.. but I replaced my forge guard shields conjure skill with the paladins heal wisps.. it's much better. .my skills now are lunge for mobility, of course good ol spin warpath, now wisps for heal, and rive for hp and mana leech, and for burst the forge strike as ss. redo my passives focusing on healing and return damage, resistance and armor scaling. now I'm using mask of indiff for immunity against stuns and others but I might replace it with return dmg armor primordial after farming ancient bones. . I don't want to imitate build from streamers or official build websites.. I selected the build as fire dmg theme and return dmg. also went some passive on void knight hp leech. I'm coming from mobas which I seem not to rank up in it's mmr system..

[feral hatch]

I played that build it was very strong in monoliths but I don’t think it could take down Uber not enough damage but maybe with lots of skill and patience?

I think holy lawn mower uses rive 1st and 2nd strike only but I found vengeance stronger, and I wouldn’t scale healing hands damage so much bc it has no more multipliers, I’d just focus on vengeance damage. Meaning I wouldn’t scaled healing effectiveness purely like in the guide

[torn vector]

you'll visually imitate this or that build anyway coz some skill and nodes just fit too well together. like how Paladin's passive skills fit everywhere, how a bunch of fire-converted skills fit together, how Lunge is the most accessible mobility option etc.
my first Sentinel was a Forge Guard too, but i was mostly yeeting spears. i just wanted a physical-only heavily armored class and this worked.
started several more sentinels after. tried to make myself use shields. shield feels really bad early when affixes are so limited in power, but later with physical attacks they fit pretty well.
seems like Forge Guard is meant to rely on minions for tanking or on getting shields from Forge Strike's top right branch for spawning forged weapon, but it felt so dicey compared to just healing myself with Healing Hands on every strike... plus there's so much Endurance everywhere, feels wrong not to put it to use.
didn't want to start a Void Knight either before i got to The End Of Time for the first time, then i understood how they fit it. before that, the class just looked like a local variation of generic magical warrior.

[subtle forge]

good view

[haughty geyser]

So does uber ab really have a dps check? It's my first arpg so I don't know how the ultra end game plays out. I was asking about the build because I wanna switch first before I grind many hours for better uniques

Was thinking about just going judgement so I can enjoy it while it's still pretty good. No one know what's up next season

[empty acorn]

anyone with the chinese guys timerot build, with english lootfilter? i really would like to try that one out

i started migrating lastepochtool build over to maxrolls planner to fuse it with their own version and i'm used to theirs autogenerated lootfilter. But browser closed and i lost all my work

[waxen nymph]

Unless you are giga giga super tanky, 10m dps is like a minimum

[feral hatch]

The longer and longer the uber fight lasts the more lasers and puddles end up on the ground so it gets harder and harder. I think you CAN out skill that but it’s pretty tough. So the faster you can kill the better in my opinion. Some guys have killed uber in 8+ minutes though so it’s totally doable.

I have theory crafted a few builds that are fun but no way close to killing uber. If killing uber is your main goal then I would suggest picking one of the S tier bossing builds to accomplish that.

If you want a long challenge then go for any build, I think it’s theoretically possible if you practice and practice the fight

[haughty geyser]

Challenge accepted 🫡

[subtle forge]

can anyone tank 10m dps though

[forest kelp]

5times

[silk wasp]

The longest fight I've seen (there may be longer out there) was a 15m jav FG build. It relied on proc smites cleansing frailty though which you can no longer do.

[haughty geyser]

Hold up. How often do you have to cleanse?

[forest kelp]

Direct cast smite?

Hit both, wish was slam dual health 😂

[waxen nymph]

I belive there is an even longer Swipe Werebear kill

[peak zodiac]

lizard smelter’s wrath was like 22 mins lmaoooo

[alpine canopy]

Werebear swipe was like 26 mins? Similar realm as that one lol

[silk wasp]

That sounds miserable

[warped helm]

staying alive that long and cleansing that much seems most impressive to me lol

[alpine canopy]

The stacking resist debuff isn't cleansable, right? idk what else you'd particularly want to cleanse, but you can roar to cleanse on demand

[waxen nymph]

Correct

Frailty of Aberroth is what you need to cleanse regularly

[silk wasp]

The frailty is what you need to cleanse. When the arena shrinks in the final phase and fills with lasers and puddles you can end up with a dozen stacks in a second. Keeping them low is the only way to keep your sustain and dps high enough to win when the fight lasts that long.

[alpine canopy]

Ah yeah, forgot about that one, it's not such a big deal on normal Abby

[feral hatch]

I’m starting to wonder if my sword catcher Rive isn’t working as intended. It states the +60 flat melee portion on the axe scales with frenzy effect and mine rolled +44 flat melee and I have 300% frenzy effect so that should equate to about 335 flat melee damage. I also have 330% increased void melee on my axe and +6 levels so on paper my sword catcher should be stronger than any Apathy Maw but you definitely do about 30-35% more DPS than me based on your boss dummy kill

The ways your build has more damage than mine I can think of is about 45 more vitality, for 45 more flat, plus 10% more damage from devouring orb, and then I tap out around 25 stacks of armor shred. Maybe that’s enough difference to account for my 30-35% less DPS?

I know for sure my attack speed must be a good bit higher though, I think I get up to 225%

I dunno, frenzy effect seems so bugged on some items like prinalist idols and that frenzy belt who knows if it’s functioning properly

[austere frost]

Post your gear are you crit capped?

[feral hatch]

How do I link my build? I never have figured out how to do that.

I think I’m at 95% crit chance while anomaly is up, which is 100% of the time

[austere frost]

Last epoch tools go to build planner basically import your character

Copy the link to it

Save share it will be the link

[feral hatch]

Ok I’ll give it a shot and post here shortly. Thanks!

[haughty geyser]

How do you guys measure and compare dps?

[waxen nymph]

You bonk the dummy in the arena area

[feral hatch]

It sounds like guys use the boss dummy specifically because it is known to have 1 billion health. So you can bonk away and time your kill and calculate the DPS. For example I killed the boss dummy in 45 seconds so 1,000,000,000 divided by 45 is 22 million DPS

[haughty geyser]

Makes sense. Thanks a lot 🙂

[warped helm]

i had no frenzy at all on dummy i didnt even interupt my dps to evade for it (wasnt worth with no effect) and yeah i have no idea how the flat/frenzy effect on the axe works

only minimal movements to keep up devorbs

[feral hatch]

My DPS is 22 million and yours is 28.5 so I gotta figure something out!

I have a couple apathy maw but I want the juicy flat void and % void combo before I swap to it

@warped helm do you know if you do more DPS with shattered worlds or the reliquary relic?

[warped helm]

shattered worlds barely any dps if youre crit capped

bit of frenzy effect, +1 i guess

[feral hatch]

Oh I just realized your vitality idols have flat melee to! Dang how long did it take to farm those?!

[warped helm]

too hard to tell would be a entirely different setup

[feral hatch]

Ok I’m starting to see now, all that vitality turns to flat and then the idols have flat melee too.

Ok I’ve got a 2 hand axe with T7 flat void and T7 melee crit I will try to slam onto my 2LP maw and try it out

[warped helm]

i easily farmed 2 more when i swapped to 90 vit setup, only took a few more prophecies

[feral hatch]

I’ll just pray to the RNG gods lol

[warped helm]

gl

[feral hatch]

But those are weaver idols so you have to do the prophecies in cemeteries yeah?

[warped helm]

a lot of my last ones were boss prophecies

[feral hatch]

I thought weaver idol only drop inside of cemeteries?

[warped helm]

didnt they get rid of the "bonus" effect when completing them in cemeteries, i cant remember

nah

[feral hatch]

I still have a lot to learn about this game

[waxen nymph]

Cemetaries and Tombs

Also prophecies (dont need to be in Cem or Tombs)

And maybe if you add weaver mobs with the weaver/lostwood folly (not sure)

And maybe when you break the cocoons and mobs get enchanted (not sure too)

[feral hatch]

Ok thank for the info. I really enjoy playing Rive so I think I’ll keep farming for Ginnie since it’s definitely more DPS and doesn’t have the negative effect of losing my health constantly like mine with butchers crown

[waxen nymph]

The + side of loosing health is that your leech never ends
I was wrong

[warped night]

This does happen, yeah

[wooden mountain]

didn't they change this in 1.3? only source of 'overleech' now is lich corrupted form afaik

[alpine canopy]

Yes, death seal also has this effect for its duration if you activate it below where your leech stops.

[wooden mountain]

lich 2 - 0 everyone else

I really liked the tech of a t1 experimental low life mod on gloves for overleech rip

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, they will probably bring some form of the tech back to other classes eventually, though

[waxen nymph]

Oh no

[cold yoke]

Hi everyone I just started playing yesterday but has anyone run into the bug trying to put a point onto dark rush?

[waxen nymph]

Whats DarK Rush ?

[cold yoke]

is the skill that lets you use shield rush without having a shield equipped

[waxen nymph]

Ah okay, what about it ?

Doesnt work ?

[cold yoke]

Youre not able to put a point into it

to use it lol

[waxen nymph]

OO

[warped night]

Do you have 2 points in Consuming Path?

[cold yoke]

sorry barely seeing this yeah I did

[warped night]

huh. weird

[waxen nymph]

Void Cleave intensify

[south ledge]

Good luck with havoc 👀

[waxen nymph]

Honestly I amnot sure how to procced

Havoc, seal %Void Dmg, Add Flat Crit ?

Maybe with Shattered world + Mortal Cleave I dont need Flat Crit

Thats 17%

[south ledge]

Yeah many options. I'd try to seal the %void damage. If it fails havoc and try again.

Then add flat crit

[waxen nymph]

Alright I'll try to craft it

If I succeed Ill play it

Otherwise I am done for the season

💀

I miss clicked Envy and Despair

Change the base and didnt seal

FFS

Nice save

Time to lvl a VK I guess ^^

[alpine canopy]

Void cleave action!

Or I guess you can use any main attack really lol

[south ledge]

Nice you got an odachi

I tried this in season was pretty fun actually

Maybe you remember the odachi I sent

Was pretty crazy stuff

[warped night]

if only you could get a sunbeak with abyssal champion 😔

I just wanna void stride

[waxen nymph]

I do

[waxen nymph]

😢

[warped night]

hmm a bardiche might be better overall now that I think about it

highest base damage available, bleed chance feeds into melee damage per bleed, since it's an axe you can get the 75% bleed chance from FG passive

[waxen nymph]

Is it not melee bleed on Bardiche?

Because if you don't play EE you probably want Vengeance Void, and that convert bleed to Time Rot

[warped night]

I was thinking just chain VR & VC for guaranteed echoes, have both use AE so both the main strike and echo get the bonus, and not even worry about using Vengeance

seems like it'd be much smoother to play

bonus that you get full echo chance without needing to invest in echo passives at all

[waxen nymph]

Oo

That's a lot of mana

VC, VR, DOrb, Anomaly, AE

[warped night]

yeah, might need to do a bit of mana stacking to sustain and/or get the mana gain on echoes passives and such

planner I tossed together with that idea: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN08ZgRQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (73) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 6,515, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 275.51, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 68 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 24 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 62% / 72% / 111% / 74% / 157% / 157%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,555
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,673)

Used skills:

Volatile Reversal / Void Cleave / Abyssal Echoes / Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope

[feral hatch]

Doesn’t multistrike have a node that buffs void cleave a ton with stacks of armament?

So you mutlstirke a few times then void cleave for like double damage

[warped night]

it does, yeah

imo vengeance is better if you're going to do that though. has a similar (same?) damage boost, but only requires 1 hit and gives you DR, armor, and riposte

but that wouldn't be quite as smooth to play

[feral hatch]

Oh I didn’t know veangance buffs VC too, tons of skills buff it then. Warpath also buffs VC after 2 seconds I think?

Can VC restore a lot of mana with the mana in crit node? Like could you warpath around for a few seconds with warrior fury and then VC to gain the mana back, or do you have to have a ton of mana regen or use a basic skill

[warped night]

VC the goat

it's less mana than it costs, so no

[feral hatch]

I’ve honestly never really used it, always healing hands but now I wanna try VC

[peak zodiac]

vengeance is a 20% more multiplier, multistrke is a 60% more multiplier while at 4 stacks of armament.

ah wait scratch that i forgot about abyssal retribution

i thought you were referring to dark duellist

i was trying to theorycraft void cleave main damage a while back but working out what to spec was mega annoying because you want to spec like 10 skills

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I was gonna say vengeance gives 74% more

[peak zodiac]

just use both for the ultimate clunk build

[warped night]

nah screw that I went for smooth gameplay lol

[peak zodiac]

the time rot multi on void cleave is pretty wild though

also with void cleave it's like can you even grab all the multipliers unless you run something silly like +6 vc and sword catcher

[warped night]

love me some VC. lots of options

[alpine canopy]

I don't remember VC having a great TR multi, probably enough to clear though

[warped night]

it's got up to 300% more with 12 stacks

120% more with 15 bleed stacks

100% more from AE

[granite steeple]

hi guys im lf a world splittler where can i ask to get it as a gift

[warped night]

it's a guaranteed drop from the black sun harbinger

[dire prairie]

it is a potential drop

[waxen nymph]

80%

Well and nether coating

You already have Void essence from DOrd, so you could get the mana on crit. If I understand that node properly that 6 mana from the melee crit + 6 mana if the first round of void bolts crit + 6 mana if the second round crit too

[wooden mountain]

use eternal eclipse and try to only use vengeance when EE's void attack side is cooling down to enhance the clunk

ofc you also have to VR during that EE cooldown for the echo, it's truly the clunkmeister of builds

you gotta VC (eternal eclipse on 2s cooldown)->AE->Veng->VR->(eternal eclipse 2s cooldown finishes) VC over and over

[waxen nymph]

Dont forget to warpath for 2 sec for 80% More Dmg

[wooden mountain]

I suppose warpath can be phys so you can do that without interfering with EE timing

vengeance and VR having to be void (or fire) for it to work and thus messing with EE really enhances the clunk I think

[waxen nymph]

To be clear , I was joking

[feral hatch]

@warped helm Yo ginnie! I finally got the pieces to swap over to a 90 vitality version of Rive and my boss dummy time went from 45 seconds down to 22 seconds for 45.5 million DPS. Biggest downside is my health went from 4,600 to 3,600….. and I use butchers crown so I’m constantly fighting the dropping health. Don’t think it’s uber viable just from a lack of health perspective. Only other thing I can try is going nihilis and continually evading for frenzy but I’d also lose 100% frenzy effect on the helmet

Actually uber might be viable, in the very first damage phase I get a whole health be and half his ward gone, then quickly knock the ward and next health chunk down to spawn the first harbinger. I think I just need to time my evades a bit better, damage is definitely there though

[warped helm]

if you dont have much frenzy effect or none at all its not worth evading for frenzy

atleast for me it wasnt

[feral hatch]

I use sword catcher so all I care about is frenzy effect

I have just shy of 300% frenzy effect

I still have some health I can add here and there. My boots have T7 frenzy effect so I could add more vitality OR health to my 2LP boots.

My shatterworlds has 14 dexterity on it so I can maybe get one with strength for damage and armor, crit multi, can I roll health on a relic?

I probably need to farm a 2LP shattered belt (can’t remember the name off the top of my head)

[warped night]

Yeah I actually swapped to that in a tweaked version of the planner

[haughty geyser]

Is there a maximum of armor to shred? I wonder how worth it would be to stack more armor shred for my rive build

[silk wasp]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

[haughty geyser]

I guess, I'll balance armor shred and fire pen then

[feral hatch]

So based on the tubklab armor shred graph, is 100 stacks about the goal?

Or maybe like 80?

[waxen nymph]

There is no max, but after 100 stacks the benefits fall a lot > its not worth going over 100

[warped night]

40 is minimum

for non-phys

[feral hatch]

I’ve been messing with this and my rive build, I didn’t have any shred anywhere so I took 2 points in 1st and 2nd strike shred chance but I think a T5 roll on gloves is plenty

[warped night]

and really stop pushing for it at 60

[peak zodiac]

if you’re playing a sentinel you can often also seal shred effect if you’re using an exalted base

which helps reduce the burden of potentially needing a 2nd shred affix on slower hitting builds

[feral hatch]

I’m also trying to do the math in my head which more damage nodes is best for Rive. I know that 3rd strike has double the added damage effectiveness vs strike 1 and 2 so it seems like the generic more damage node and the 3rd strike more damage nodes are the best value?

So if I move points from 3nd strike damage to 3rd damage that should be more value right?

And I’m also curious if there’s anyway to make the 1,2,1,2,3 version do more damage than traditional 1,2,3,1,2,3

[peak zodiac]

rive has so many good generic damage nodes that usually if you’re not running something like sword catcher you almost never run out of good things to take without having to spec into specific strikes much

[warped night]

even with sword catcher you still don't run out 😔 rive is blessed

1,2,1,2,3 probably can out dps but you're going to be pretty hard pressed to get the points necessary to make that happen

you'd want to max out both flurry and iron reach to get the most out of it

[warped night]

this would be worth a try. needs sword catcher, T7 rive chest, +2 ammy, +1 relic

[feral hatch]

I have all of the above. +2 amulet +4 chest +1 relic +6 sword catcher (got super lucky with T7 flat void T7 % void damage for bonkers damage)

I think only way to squeeze more points is to run the primordial gloves that would give +2 more points

But immortal vice is really good, and I’m running butchers crown for permanent frenzy and effect already

See I think taking points out of 2nd strike and putting into 3rd strike might be more damage since the 3rd strike gets 200% added damage effectiveness. Is that right?

I’ve got a good idea of my boss dummy kill time so I’ll mess with points and time again and see what’s the most DPS

[warped night]

I just swapped over to essentially that setup and I'm pretty happy with the DPS

definitely a DPS upgrade over my last setup, not quite as tanky though

crit is a little difficult though

but there's still some spots where I can get that

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kidpid/character/ThereWillBeBlood

ideally I'd like to be able to hit that 90 vit breakpoint w/o needing every idol slot dedicated to it so I could slot in some judicator idols

[feral hatch]

Yeah I was wondering about attack speed, I feel like for Rive specifically the % increased void damage is king bc rive doubles it so I’ve got like 900% void damage

I’ll link in a second

[warped night]

yeah it likely is, but I missed that double T7 slam and I'm out of Sword Catcher's and exalted fodder so wcyd lol

[feral hatch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

Yeah I hear ya, I got lucky on my sword catcher but missed many apathy maw slams

[waxen nymph]

Empty planner

[feral hatch]

My bad! Never posted a build before

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe2m0eaB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,569, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 171.2, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 25 Dex / 11 Int / 16 Att / 91 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 49% / 55% / 48% / 56% / 128% / 119%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 945
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (100)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,414)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 2%

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Rive / Anomaly / Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope

[feral hatch]

This work?

I need more life!!!!

So on sheet DPS swapping 1 point from iron reach to brutality increase my DPS

[haughty geyser]

how good is armor pen? I'm looking for a good suffix on my two swords to slam. It's gonna be armor pen, ignite chance or fire pen

[feral hatch]

@warped night is your only heal on the build the 4% melee leech? Since you aren’t running healing hands, I assumed I had to run healing hands

[warped night]

mostly, and time and faith

damage and speed are so high that it's never been a problem

[waxen nymph]

Its 85% More Dmg for phys

60 ish for non phys

So pretty big

[warped night]

4% of of 300k (conservative hit damage estimate) is 12k. healing hands will never get close to that

and I don't even have that much hp

if there was a way to convert healing hands to void it'd be a different story

[feral hatch]

Yeah it would slap then

[gray salmon]

who is following or has a really high corruption void spinny blade warpath build? Considering looking into making my paladin into warpath mg and buying the gear 😄

[feral hatch]

I think the maxroll version is pretty decent. I played it last season when clothos sword was king, but if you can get a decent purple axe (can’t remember the name but it has a butt ton of mana) then it can slap hard

T8 channel cost reduction on helmet and stack a bunch of mana

Babblingbike also made a different version recently and he pushed to like 1100 corruption or something so you could look at that

I’ve thought of making it with my sword catcher butcher crown combo

@warped night ahh I see you use abyssal echoes instead of anomaly. So I crit cap with anomaly but you get the 20% attack speed and 20% more damage hmmmmmm I wonder which is better

[warped night]

AE is overall better if you can cap crit otherwise. More damage, armor shred, blinds, buffs VC if you use it, and is completely passive when used with VC

Anomaly is great too though

VK is spoiled for choice on skills, so there's a good number of options to fit your gear & preferences

[feral hatch]

Yeah crit cap is hard! I’m rocking a phantom grip and I still struggle.

[haughty geyser]

what do you mean with 85%? I have a slamsword with 12% phys pen on it

[waxen nymph]

Phys Pen =/= Armor Pen

Phys Pen goes against Phys Res

Armor Shred goes against Armor (that mitigate all kind of hits)

And what I meant by 85% is this

[feral hatch]

@warped night can I ask how you farmed the vitality melee damage idols? I have only one of those, that would help my build a good bit I think

[waxen nymph]

Armor Caps at 85% Dmg reduction for Phys hits

almost 60% for non phys

So armor shred makes that reduction goes négative

And make the mob take more dmg

[warped night]

I've been running various idol prophecies for a while now. I'm specifically looking for some huge idols for my beastmaster, but I always grab humble weaver idol and large idol prophecies when I don't see huge ones

The humble weaver idols are so good on so many builds that I figured it would be a good idea to "passively" farm them

[haughty geyser]

So you mean armor shred with armor pen. @waxen nymph But how good is phys pen? I could slap 12% as suffic on my sword but I have no idea how much that does

[feral hatch]

Ok thanks are there weaver idol prophecies specifically? I’ve never done idol prophecies before so I’m not sure

[warped night]

yeah there are

[feral hatch]

Ok cool! Prophecies are badass but they are so slow and boring to select

[warped night]

there's one for each type of weaver idol specifically

[feral hatch]

I filled up a whole mess of generic rune ones and took me like half and hour

But I got like 35 havoc runes in five minutes which was nice

[warped night]

yeah lol they're a huge chore to keep. at this point I usually have 200k favor at any given moment because I cba to keep grabbing prophecies

[feral hatch]

They need to rework that system, there’s no reason to make us waste that much time selecting

[warped night]

which is why I've mainly switched to just grabbing a bunch of prophecies of things that I might need in one spot so I don't have to spend hours rerolling

😉 #feedback message

[feral hatch]

I farmed a bunch of frenzy effect idols for primalist to use with sword catcher but they literally do nothing

[warped night]

I have a sneaking suspicion that none of the "while you have frenzy" actually work

I know for a fact that none of them show up on your character sheet

[feral hatch]

Yeah the sword catcher +60 flat is supposed to scale with frenzy effect and I assume it works bc I hit so dang hard, can’t imagine I’d hit that hard without all that extra flat

[warped night]

would be pretty funny if it wasn't working though

[feral hatch]

But the weaver enchant frenzy effect doesn’t show any attack speed or melee damage boost on sheet damage

[warped night]

damage would skyrocket

[feral hatch]

I would love that!

I tested the prinalsit idols on the dummy taking them on and off using various ways of getting frenzy and taking off all my passive points and using basic attack and with no idols vs 6 frenzy effect/melee damage idols I hit for the exact same amount of damage so I’m pretty sure that is broken. And a few people have said the belt that scales off strength doesn’t work but I haven’t tested that

Shattered worlds. Butchers crown and sword catcher does work for the attack speed portion for sure

[warped night]

oh yeah, the actual attack speed works, but I'm not sure if any of the other added effects do

[waxen nymph]

If you play a Phys build, phys pen is good. 12%'Pen is 12% More Dmg

[haughty geyser]

that sounds crazy tbh

imma try it

[austere frost]

This mine works well enough for farming ,more hp is needed to avoid rift beast one shots but apart from that easily 1k to 2k corr build, if you ever had a axe with t7 melee crit and t7 mana you spin for days never run out of mana less dps though .https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8gy6p6o

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,297, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,514.08, Regen: 10.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 67 Str / 18 Dex / 13 Int / 18 Att / 53 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 166% / 80% / 83% / 82% / 83% / 83%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 1,296
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,904)

Used skills:

Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope / Warpath / Abyssal Echoes / Anomaly

[waxen nymph]

Weren't you playing Fire Rive?

[warped night]

fire rive isn't real 😔

[haughty geyser]

its the holy lawnmower. so my rive is still physical

I thing my dmg is about 50% physical with rive and 50% fire with healing hands

hard to tell tho

[austere frost]

Yo I always had a doubt of the increased damage that a skill gets example from streng stacking right lest say skill is void and I get physical flat damage does the increase damage from the stat stacking affect the physical flat as well?

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah 😅💀

[warped night]

yes

[waxen nymph]

Not sure I would invest in Phys pen then

You could go with Axe Throw Passive and the passive in FG that apply Phys And Fire Shred on Throwing Hit

Shred is another form of Pen

[haughty geyser]

that's pretty far away from what I've done so far. Might try it if I get desperate with uber ab

[austere frost]

Healing hands dont do much damage nowadays rive doing the big part for you I am sure

[haughty geyser]

it does more dps in the tooltip at least

[austere frost]

It would be nice if they gave it more modifiers on the tree and get rid of the attack/cast speed nerf on the other more modifier it has

[haughty geyser]

I should cast one healing hands with every melee hit. So it should be a little over 50% of my dps

[gray salmon]

will check it out later ty

[feral hatch]

You saying healing hands is 50% of your damage? If so I don’t think that is correct bc there are no more damage modifiers, you can really only scale the flat damage of healing hands with your weapons and then with healing effectiveness. But even if you get loads of flat, with no more multipliers it will never do damage close to Rive. It’s definitely added damage though

[warped night]

There's 60%+ more from buff skill levels and 48% more from virtue of patience

40% more from throne, 20% & 16% from doom

Potentially 20% from AE, potentially 20% from Vengeance (ik he's using Rive)

Pally mastery passive, 5% from FG if you have a mace

Could also get 5% from the electrify passive

It's not unreasonable for it to be doing a decent amount of damage on a pally

[uneven gorge]

The biggest problem is split scaling. You can get HH to do decent damage, it's just going to be worse than a full focus on phys or void

[peak zodiac]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[warped night]

On my melee pally I do judgement spam w/ vengeance + HH as auxiliary damage and utility

Judgement is the star of the show, but HH is no slouch either

[feral hatch]

Oops, you knew way more more multipliers than me!

@warped night man I’m so glad you explained the idol prophecy to me, I’ve fixed a ton of my resistance AND added more crit with these humble and small weaver idols

[warped night]

💯 happy to help

[feral hatch]

I am now crit capped!

I need more health now I’m at 3,700 and in the uber fight I die to 4,100 damage often.

You take down Uberroth with your Rive yet?

[warped night]

My rive has been taking down uberroth since 1.2

I was using a bit of a safer setup before, but this new one is still plenty capable, and faster, but isn't quite as easy

[feral hatch]

Oh dang now I feel like a weakling! I’m committed now to killing him with Rive, thanks for the motivation

[haughty geyser]

So the tooltip dps is about 15% higher on healing hands than on rive. You mean that some multipliers don't get counted in there?

[warped night]

he was saying that there aren't many "% more damage" modifiers in the HH skill tree compared to the Rive skill tree

but as I pointed out there are some, and some external ones as well to take advantage of

[haughty geyser]

But the tooltip should be more or less accurate, right? I assume that it takes everything into account that depends on my character, i.e. everything except debuffs on the enemy I'm attacking

[warped night]

ehhh

it's almost never an accurate representation of actual dps

[uneven gorge]

Tooltip is notoriously nonsense

[haughty geyser]

[alpine canopy]

Notably, the HH tooltip does not account for how often you proc it with some other skill. It will assume you are pressing and holding the HH hotkey.

[haughty geyser]

ofc

[alpine canopy]

Not sure if there are any other big issues with its calculation - sometimes tooltip has trouble with certain conditional damage effects.

[uneven gorge]

I saw screenshots of shatterstrike getting like 14 billions tooltip dps lol

[alpine canopy]

Shatter strike is one of the few skills where tooltip dps is decently accurate

[warped night]

honestly it seems like rive's second strike does roughly the same damage as the third strike when you max out iron reach

but I feel like that really shouldn't be the case if sword catcher's melee damage with frenzy was actually working, since I should be getting roughly 225 extra flat damage calculated into the third strike compared to the second

though I suppose 100% more would be somewhat equivalent to a doubling of the base ADE

[feral hatch]

Oh does it accurately account for the 2 extra casts if you take that node?

[alpine canopy]

Nope, but that and the overlapping double hit are both simple to calc

[alpine canopy]

Only difference between those two things is the 100% more damage also affects the base damage of the skill; for rive that's entirely negligible since its base is 2. (For most skills though, it's entirely identical, since double added dmg eff skills typically have double the base damage.)

Of course, there are other nodes that affect only one or the other strike

[feral hatch]

Yeah I know that when I add points to Rive that only effect 1 of the 3 strikes it makes the DPS go up, but also depending what strike is next on your skill bar effects the DPS shown

[loud quest]

Need more ES VKs.

Everyone is WP

[safe forum]

looking for ppl to play with im tryna experience late game stuff

[loud quest]

Sure, man. Not sure how late you're lookin' at. Casual or borderline autist?

[gray salmon]

t7 Melee crit strike chance is that and t7mana and regen?

[austere frost]

Yeah that was my main weapon until I got the attack speed melee crit combo ,you run out of mana sometimes unless you use a t8 channel helm .

[gray salmon]

can easily buy that Melee crit strike chance and t7 mana for 800k on MG lol or duo t7 melee attack, melee crit for 1.2mil

[austere frost]

I am cof though grind everything since the beginning 👍

[gray salmon]

haha fairs :D, yeah that ring u got momentum ring, i can get T7 strength, t7 Crit strike chance and t5 health for 1mil (lp3 ring will cost me 4mil)

[austere frost]

Gold seems easy to get nowadays so shouldn't be that bad

[gray salmon]

yeah , urm

shame we dont need block chance lol

t7 void damage, t7 strength, t6 cold resistance, t6 block for 6mil lol

and t3 angiush 900k-1mil lol

[feral hatch]

I’ve never played merchants guild before, but I thought good item used to go for like 1 billion gold, is that not the case anymore? Are items priced much more reasonable now?

[gleaming pine]

s2 had a dupe (imho), anything good sold for gold cap, anything godly didn't sell because it was worth more than gold cap. s3 has had no dupes

[austere frost]

Being cof is a pain in the butt sometimes but there is a sense of well i got it all by myself which you cant buy have ,I am glad the gold prices are better now in MG makes it better to play

[haughty geyser]

How do you slam a t8? you can't slam sealed affixes, right?

[silk wasp]

Correct, you cannot

[feral hatch]

Yeah I don’t think I’ve ever had more than 6 million gold but I’ve always been CoF. I suppose I always end up buying enough stash tabs to float around the 5 million gold.

[feral hatch]

Anyone play a forged weapon build this season?

Does it still slap when it’s min maxed?

[austere frost]

I got rid of most of my single t7 and only keep now double triple exalted,maybe that will help with the potential lag next season 🤣

[haughty geyser]

Holy aura works with snapshotting. So consecrations that are on the ground before I activate holy aura don't get any benefit and all the consecrations I put down during holy aura profit from it for their whole duration, even if holy aura runs out before such a consecration ends. Am I seeing this right?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[feral hatch]

I need to do this with any T6 I have. I used to collect all T6 and T7 pre release since it was more rare to get good gear. I could probably clear out like 30 stash tabs just by crunching all my T6

@warped night I almost solved my crit chance, I’m sitting at 93% without anomaly, a little bit better roll on my blessing and then getting the proper enchant on my idol and I should be at 96-97% and then I can swap to void cleave and abyssal echoes for more damage!

A 5% shattered worlds would solve it immediately, but I only have a 4% at the moment. Are the uber woven echoes only drop? Can’t buy them?

[warped night]

Yeah it's only from Uber, and you need to get the echo from regular aberroth

Pretty rough to get a great shattered worlds for this build. Every roll makes a big difference lol

[feral hatch]

Ooooooooh you get the uber echo from regular aberoth I didn’t know that! I just had a bunch last season and used them all up, makes sense

I guess I should be fighting harbingers to get more aberoth keys

Yeh shattered worlds is a hard drop, last season I’d only get 1 every 4-5 uber kills

[austere frost]

It would be great to farm normal aberroth if we could skip to the fight like in the uber version saves probably 1 min each run

[warped night]

Yeah the first phase is an annoying waste of time after you beat it for the first time

[warped night]

oh right, I the +1 void damage per vit with an axe would be much more significant on the second strike in this case, and since we're trying to hit the 90 vit breakpoint that's probably a good boost

[warped night]

Void cleave can apply stacks of critical vulnerability, 3 per hit, so with even one hit you get an extra 6% crit chance. IMO you're safe to swap now

[feral hatch]

Ahh, ok that makes sense. Is the critical strike chance applied from crit vulnerability base crit or % crit chance?

[warped night]

% crit

well, base

Your crit + crit vuln %

[silk wasp]

It's flat crit that doesn't get multiplied by Increased Crit

[feral hatch]

Ok so I think I have 16% base crit (5 + 5 from VK passive + 4 shattered worlds + 2 phantom grip) and then all my % crit makes it 93%. So if I get 6% crit vulnerable does it add to 99%?

Or does it add to the 16%?

[feral hatch]

Ahh ok thanks, that would crit cap me

[weary sable]

Anybody know the skill and class build where you summon sword to follow and attack?

[waxen nymph]

Forge Strike
Forge Guard

[south ledge]

You can also use other skills to summon forged weapons, but forged weapons always scale off of forge strike.
For example multistrike and warpath.

[waxen nymph]

Vengeance

Probably the best for that, no?

[south ledge]

ah true I forgot they added that

anything I can do with this?

[austere frost]

No sadly

[south ledge]

so far seems utterly useless

[austere frost]

Voidwinter stuff is like the aberroth staff maybe mana stacking would be good but ends being a waste of time

[waxen nymph]

Multismite?

That's 176 Flat Spell

And with spear you get 5% Flat Crit

[south ledge]

don't think it's better than omnividence

but good idea