🔱┃sentinel

[sullen jolt]

so basically rive netter then shield bash?

[turbid dome]

Real

[waxen nymph]

netter?

[turbid dome]

Shield bash lets you dual wield shields, that’s just cool

[waxen nymph]

Better?

[sullen jolt]

better

[polar spire]

I've gotten to 80 SSF with rive without taking a mastery and not spending any passive points while also not using any other abilities except rive. though a dreamthorn did drop early. Rive is JUST that good

[waxen nymph]

Event Horizon is way better

Its not even funny

[turbid dome]

While true

Dual shields gaming

[iron basin]

Rive is the more consistent melee build between it and Bash

[turbid dome]

[sullen jolt]

so between rive and shield bash - whats tankier? whats more dps?

[waxen nymph]

Imo Rive is more Dps but SB is tanky AF

[iron basin]

yeah true, but Rive still gets very tanky

[waxen nymph]

MaxBlock + full block effect with Majasa Shield

[sullen jolt]

so shield bash it is then

[waxen nymph]

Stonk

Its less fast slower

[iron basin]

this is why we play forge guard and get both builds

[polar spire]

you can make shield bash hit like a truck regardless, rive just feels better to play

[turbid dome]

Attack speed working goes brrr

[waxen nymph]

Ill have to try Multi-Smite next season

[polar spire]

remember the good ol days when people would say "they'll never let us swap masteries"

[waxen nymph]

I have passed it

[polar spire]

pepperidge farms remembers

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[turbid dome]

Swap masteries nah

The blessing respec merchant is the real goat

[iron basin]

tbf they did say they wouldn't allow it for a long while

[polar spire]

i straight up went full petty and looked up 5 year old comments from people saying they wouldnt add that in, and then replied that they did

anyone i argued with about it in the past

[turbid dome]

🐟

[polar spire]

"they should"
"but they never will"
5 years later
HEY GUESS WHAT HOE

[turbid dome]

[iron basin]

i've gotten into more LE arguments on reddit than I'd care to admit

I need to find some good sources of CDR

are there any generically useful uniques for that?

[turbid dome]

Been there, tried that

Couldn’t get main skill anomaly under 5 ish seconds of cooldown

If you hard focus it you cap out at like 120% cooldown recovery speed

[iron basin]

I'm trying it with CD bone curse and CD FS

[turbid dome]

Ah

[iron basin]

FS you can get 100% on the tree

Bone Curse you're stuck at 6s

[mental flare]

nice

[turbid dome]

[iron basin]

chad, i've been on the grim dawn train between seasons

it made me want to play shield throw this season

[turbid dome]

I’ve been on that stoneshard

[polar spire]

i go back to it every now n then to play the D2 Reign of Terror mod for it with friends

[turbid dome]

[iron basin]

I really like Grimarillion

[waxen nymph]

Pure gold

[iron basin]

it scratches my theory crafter itch real gud

[polar spire]

Chronicon does that for me more than poe and LE do

4 png's, thats definitely gonna be the mr beast scam isnt it

oh its a drake version this time cool

@waxen nymph get to work

[sharp osprey]

I have a rough idea of a rive build Idea I wanted to make. But not sure what mods or gear would be important for it.
Anyone have anysuggestions?

Thinking of doing FG

[waxen nymph]

I would not use Event Horizon for Rive

AS is way to good

[sharp osprey]

what would you use event horizon with?

[waxen nymph]

Shield Bash or Shield Charge

Skills with no Attack Speed Scaling

Since it will reduce it

Channeled HH maybe

[uneven gorge]

Use Event Horizon with the unspecable basic attack

[iron basin]

use it with Forge Strike if you want to see the world's slowest slam

it could actually be decent with SW since it doesn't care about AS either

you lose sunforged affixes that way tho

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah

Its really good on Smelter

Way better than Sunforged

[iron basin]

but my skill points

[waxen nymph]

I know

But that Sunforged Hammer .... 💀

[iron basin]

just rip the affix shards and stick it on a good mace

[waxen nymph]

Still worse than Event

[iron basin]

it's hard to beat that multi from event horizon

[sharp osprey]

I'm looking forward to sunforged with that one new primal ring.

[iron basin]

TRU

[waxen nymph]

Melee Pen + More Dmg per Dilation + More Dmg to Slowed

Yup

[iron basin]

probably do a bash beforehand to get your ignites for the more multi in SW

especially since it doesn't care about the AS drop

or is that only with Sunforged set? I can't remember now

[silk wasp]

Sunforged only gives skill levels and extra weapons

[iron basin]

one of the affixes itself gives more SW and FS damage per ignite/forged weapon iirc

it's flat fire melee per weapon

[silk wasp]

Yeah, flat fire and ignite chance per weapon

[iron basin]

the SW tree has 15% more hit damage per ignite on the target

i guess you really only need the 2piece for the skill points anyway

SW just wants all the skill points it can get to reach every multi

[silk wasp]

SW and FS are really point hungry

[warped night]

shield rush event horizon is pretty fun

[polar spire]

FS is only point hungry if you're trying to build it as both minions and something else

I've also never felt SW was point hungry, ive honestly had more times where i had left over points and just threw them into random nodes

[iron basin]

FS is pretty point hungry when you're grabbing every melee bonus. maybe if you leave out the detonating ground, but that's a lot of free damage

[polar spire]

but at the same time, its really not that hard to get 30/20+ on both of those skills

[polar spire]

i've only really played bleed forge strike and crit forge strike, but i guess?

[iron basin]

yeah I was playing a crit forge strike build. the ground inherits all the melee benefits from FS so it's hard to pass up imo

[polar spire]

i think you can get up to 40/20 FS now

[iron basin]

you can definitely get really close

double phantom grip, logi's hunger/nihilis, +4 chest, +1 relic

probably more I'm forgetting

[polar spire]

THE PARRY AXE weeeeeee

+6

[iron basin]

+3 from the set

sword catcher?

[polar spire]

yea! 😄

[iron basin]

oh yeah that does give +6

[warped night]

+8 with double naal's tooth
+2 from pale ox
+4 T7 FS
+4 with double phantom grip
+1 relic

[iron basin]

neck slot can be +2 from nihilis

[warped night]

yeah, meant to add that, thanks

[iron basin]

just going for raw skill points, sunforged set gives +3 with chest and helm over pale ox +2

and I don't think there's a unique helm that would give any +skill to FS

[warped night]

You lose 1 from ring though

If you go full set

[iron basin]

you don't need the full set if you're just looking for skill points

just the helm and body

[warped night]

true, but practically if you're giving up pale ox you may as well

Though I guess you could do T8 FS if you do 2 pc set

[forest kelp]

need more FP to reroll 🥹

[forest kelp]

Go far

[forest kelp]

got it

[spring yew]

Seriously what are those illegal items ?

[forest kelp]

It a collectible? EHG has legalized it

[astral crater]

What the judgement pally player is seeing after being forced to carry a 4 player uber with a facetank build

[forest kelp]

@spring yew It works pretty well at 2k2, I'm looking for a great Leonine 3x7 to upgrade other items, boss fights are still quite slow but I'm almost immortal https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkXxpZQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 7,097, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 198.4, Regen: 11.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 46 Str / 32 Dex / 32 Int / 37 Att / 136 Vit
▸ Resistances: 132% / 110% / 112% / 81% / 97% / 185% / 185%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 1,746
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (150)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,124)

Used skills:

Devouring Orb / Abyssal Echoes / Anomaly / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope

[spring yew]

Ye at that corruption single target gonna drop. To improve it you would need to invest into CDR on Belt/Boots get more Dev Orbs out for more hits. Since the rest of your stats are very high already it's the only boost to the single target you can get.
Glad the build is doing fantastic though. I had a blast with it , even though i got bit unlucky with the bigger upgrades i wanted.

[zenith hinge]

@forest kelp what is that staff build you just posted

[forest kelp]

https://youtu.be/Tq2zINCcTQ8?si=UxbXjM7s8WEipH6x

[forest kelp]

Chill build form @spring yew

[zenith hinge]

Hahah "its pretty much a walking simulator" love that

I remember watching @spring yew do a shield throw earlier this season and commenting on it

[spring yew]

Oh ye we gonna make that again in the future. It was very good , but i wanna make it even better.

[forest kelp]

Yes, he was also the one who introduced me to shield throw 🤣

[zenith hinge]

Haha I managed this effort with it this season, excuse the start it lagged and then half asleep positioning during the fight "lol derp go other side" https://youtu.be/9Wi_0gtmTmc

but i was pretty proud considering and I tested with FG but this build was just straight up stronger, sucks how bad the AI on manifest is during echos though hope they fix it to run in front to attack and not behind lol

[forest kelp]

Same build

[zenith hinge]

cindersong and manifest pally?

damn, i thought everyone was FG this season with those yucky, clunky ring of shields

man those things rage me lol

[spring yew]

for many builds paladin is more dmg , FG is more tanky

[zenith hinge]

everyone says FG is more tanky but I never die on pally lol, FG needs a lot of dps love I reckon lol

I wish they would make shield throw pierce enemy and rebound off terrain like in poe1 though that would add so much

[forest kelp]

Yeah, hard to die with pally

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkGYwEbQ badluck with craft and hard to find small idol

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (30) / Paladin (58)

General:

▸ Health: 4,285, Regen: 287.96/s
▸ Mana: 200.34, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 116%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 59 Str / 33 Dex / 58 Int / 47 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 146% / 114% / 114% / 97% / 113% / 147% / 109%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 1,202
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (154)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,775)
▸ Block Chance: 103%, Mitigation: 65% (3,828)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Shield Throw / Smite / Manifest Armor / Holy Aura / Symbols of Hope

[zenith hinge]

I was considering that belt til I bricked about 4 x lp3s haha

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWgD6G4Q

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (65)

General:

▸ Health: 2,771, Regen: 105.16/s
▸ Mana: 132.26, Regen: 10.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 19 Dex / 8 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 187% / 88% / 88% / 51% / 83% / 74% / 46%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 82%, Threshold: 893
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,313)
▸ Block Chance: 101%, Mitigation: 39% (1,135)

Used skills:

Manifest Armor / Volatile Reversal / Shield Throw / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[zenith hinge]

I played with the sceptre and tested with cinder it added a buttload more dps for me so ended up using it even though it looked like I was straight out of harry potter

also you have inspired me to crab up this season

[forest kelp]

I also tested it and a few other weapon, but I found it easier to get a 4lp sceptre

[forest kelp]

Finding this belt 3lp is easier than crawling into a wine cellar 🫂

[candid raft]

How do you even brick a 3lp. At most you are gonna mis out on 1 mod right?

[timber hare]

Im wonderin if that dino relic could work with sentinel coz of high attunement and all. Massive crit multiplier for the dino, if it crits often.

[waxen nymph]

But the Dino doesn't have a skill tree

[winter copper]

for buffing

[waxen nymph]

They seem to want to scale the dino

For MA, t-rex sound good
But for FW 💀

Temp minions playing around a cooldown you have no control over sound not really nice

[forest kelp]

bad day

failed too much

[fair hollow]

Having the rex is gonna block you from using the buff amulet since its gonna alternate between your rex and MA

[waxen nymph]

All hail the MA king

[winter copper]

I dont think amulet was every that good, best you could put on it is crit multi and you get easily 500+ multi already on ma

Trex sounds way better with some att atacking

[fair hollow]

Even with 100 attunement thats only gonna give MA 20% crit multi,

The flat spell dmg it gives is nice for spell MA but we dont know the roar uptime yet.

The extra more dmg from uncapped endurance could be decent.

But all in all i think using the relic slot for defenses is gonna be better, especially now with snapshotting gone

[winter copper]

yes more dmg opop

hmm for defenses? like vessel?

[fair hollow]

Its also a primordial unique so then we cant use t8 anywhere

Yeah could be vessel for example

[winter copper]

t8 bleed pen would go hard for sure

[fair hollow]

Yeah some stats are gonna be crazy at t8 and then multiplied with 3.4x for MA

We are getting minion ai update info in 2 hours btw

[winter copper]

or 1200 dmg reflected to attackers

on body armor

[forest kelp]

Shield Throw t8

[silent storm]

gonna assume the very basic stats like attributes are getting that big 100% while ones like +skills get only a 50%

that meteor was +6

curious about how champ affixes will scale, we've already seen the primalist one doubling companions, and I'm gonna assume the rogue one goes the same, but other ones aren't increasing entities like that

[winter copper]

also thats not true, amulet always prioritizes miniosn that are specced skill , trex has no tree so itll be always on MA

[fair hollow]

hmm i did not know that, that solves that part then

[winter copper]

well currently it workslike that on primalist

how itll work on release kekw

its ehg...

[iron basin]

tbh I didn't know it worked like that. I've also only ever used it in solo companion builds so I never had the opportunity to check

[peak zodiac]

increased area stacking smelters wrath with new spear

instant charge time smelters wrath, the time has come

[uneven gorge]

Rive season start?

[sudden sigil]

two-hander i sleep

[analog steppe]

that spear is gonna be so broken, anyone who has done the math on it can tell

what it will require is insanely hard to get gear, but its definitely gonna be great

[silk wasp]

The moment I saw I'd need to gamble on not bricking exalts with runes of removal it vanished from my mind entirely

[analog steppe]

tbf i think you could probably still oneshot uber abberoth with the spear and no exalted mods on other items at all

assuming you get a LP2 one with T7/T7

[sudden sigil]

the worst part is going to be || showing exalted spears on your filter||

[sharp osprey]

Trying out event horizon shield bash. I need some mana sustain tho.

[mental flare]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

😭

[silk wasp]

You didn't want t2 fire damage?

[alpine canopy]

Hey, that's a 1 LP reroll right there

[mental flare]

let's go gambling

[iron basin]

definitely not me looking for lethal concentration fodder

[mental flare]

god shield bash AS is so a$$

[sharp osprey]

what do you hate about it?

[mental flare]

too slow attack speed

[cerulean sorrel]

Felt that, 20+ Ravenous Void bricked

[mental flare]

damn

i have 2 lp1 of those

already slammed of course

never saw an lp2

[cerulean sorrel]

Me too pal

Lp ravenous void for me is myth

[fiery talon]

Question: if I want Big Damage off rebuke, do I just have to sacrifice melee damage? Is there any way I can have a bit of both?

[turbid dome]

Like have rebuke do big damage?

[fiery talon]

yeah

[fiery talon]

as big of damage as possible

[turbid dome]

It’s a physical spell that from tree can have

• 60% more damage
• +15 flat void damage

So if you really want to scale it you’d need to scale spell damage

And the real scaling is the 20 flat phys each time your hit while channeling it

[fiery talon]

Yeah. I tried scepters for a while cuz they have both melee and spell damage but it was only decent damage with a staff

[turbid dome]

However keep in mind a lot of enemies don’t really hit you

[fiery talon]

Is the 20 flat phys damage added to the 'base' damage, and thus scale with damage modifiers?

or is it just 20 damage per hit added to the 'final' damage

[turbid dome]

Yea additional flat is always added to base damage

So your flat with it would be

40 + added spell damage + (20 * hitNum)

[fiery talon]

Ok cool. So it can scale, that's good to know

[turbid dome]

Yeah it can, just understand it struggles vs big single enemies

[fiery talon]

Right now I've got a build that works pretty well which basically uses orian's sun seal and endurance stuff to make holy symbol burst when my hp goes under endurance threshold, and rebuke is my tank button. It's good, it kills stuff, but my damage is maybe a little lackluster outside of the holy symbol damage, and I'm trying to decide if I have to boost my vengeance damage for more consistency or just go all in on spell damage and make rebuke/holy symbol do their work

[turbid dome]

Oh if your interested in using spells on that I’d recommend multistrike over rebuke

In terms of damage

[fiery talon]

hmm I guess, I mean it's probably 'better', but rebuke is fun for me

[turbid dome]

Rebuke is still great as a not die button

[turbid dome]

That’s fair

[fiery talon]

I'm not really aiming for 'meta' just 'fun' yaknow?

[turbid dome]

I gotcha there

One day I will make anomaly a main damage skill

[fiery talon]

Like I like having vengeance and rebuke, but it feels like I can't really split my damage and have both. Which is a shame bc I feel like having those as my core skills is really what I want

the holy symbol thing ended up taking over the idea of this build, I mean it is 'retaliation' damage in a sense, since I need to be brought under my threshold to trigger

but idk

[turbid dome]

Imo using rebuke for damage isn’t the play (keep it as the beefy boi I can’t die button) and instead investing your weapon into melee would work better

Split builds between spell and melee (investing damage in both) tend to be hard and require a way to scale both with the same stat

Ie: void knight stacking vitality or paladin getting like 60 spell damage for holding a shield

The classic multistrike smite build doesn’t actually invest into melee damage, multistrike functions as a smite delivery system

[fiery talon]

yeah. Rn it's a paladin obviously but I dunno where I'll go with it. Honestly considering a respec but that'd need a lot of new gear

[turbid dome]

That’s always an ow

You could look at the judgement paladin builds

Tho that’s like meta for tankiest boi

[fiery talon]

I'm still basically a newb, I took a break for a while but I wanted to see if I could make a specifically retaliation focused build feel good

My thing is my rebukes and also my vengeance counters just don't really deal a lot of damage, I gotta sit there for a long while just to kill a proper champion mob

And there's virtually no risk of me dying cuz I'm basically immortal lol but it's just kind of a drag

[turbid dome]

Ya know last epoch tools?

[fiery talon]

yeah

[turbid dome]

Import your lad into there and I can take a look

[fiery talon]

aight lemme see how to do it again

been a while

[turbid dome]

Build planner (top bar) -> import (left side) -> follow instructions on screen

[fiery talon]

would my account name just be my steam name?

[turbid dome]

Hit H in game

It’s the name on the friends screen

[fiery talon]

ah thanks

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3NExXEB I just changed from a staff to this sword and shield but yeah

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 71

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Paladin (58)

General:

▸ Health: 1,398, Regen: 73.57/s
▸ Mana: 232.63, Regen: 10.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 29 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 143% / 71% / 130% / 80% / 70% / 65% / 29%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 79%, Threshold: 894
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (150)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,393)
▸ Block Chance: 25%, Mitigation: 33% (606)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 53%

Used skills:

Vengeance / Rebuke / Holy Aura / Symbols of Hope / Lunge

[fiery talon]

this is basically the build

[turbid dome]

how often are you triggering the ironblades?

[fiery talon]

pretty much constantly if I'm hitting stuff

they happen pretty often

[turbid dome]

solid

keep in mind those guys do melee physical damage when it comes to scaling

[fiery talon]

I like them but I think I gotta invest in a good melee weapon to make them yaknow actually hurt

yeah

See my thing is I'm basically hyperfixated on "hurt me more, I'll hurt you back" kind of playstyles

so rebuke sounds on paper exactly like my thing but the feedback from it just doesn't feel good enough

It definitely feels more like a mitigation skill with extremely weak damage tacked on

which is fine I guess

I just you know

want to ramp my damage more based on the damage I'm taking

[turbid dome]

thats kinda sadly rebuke how its balanced

like its aliment path on the right is just aggressively bad

tho also given your using a sword, 5 points into forgeguard on this node is a good look

[fiery talon]

Hmm vengeance already attacks pretty quick and I think with the nodes I get 3? or even more counters, so I'm never feeling like I'm not getting counters from it

The problem is the damage per hit/counter is just not very good

Maybe I've specced for too much defense and not enough offense in the rest of my gear?

[turbid dome]

sorta yes sorta no

Like you’re defensive, but only kinda and same damage wise

[fiery talon]

Yeah I think my defenses are a little all over the place

[turbid dome]

your shield really isn't doing much for you and it might be better to just go for a twohander currently

[fiery talon]

29% poison resist lol vs 143% fire resist

[turbid dome]

you have no block investment other than the shield

[fiery talon]

Oh the shield is purely bc of it's healing effectiveness, I got that paladin node that convers healing effectiveness to fire pen

makes the holy symbol crunch mobs

[turbid dome]

ah but if your using symbols of hope for damage/main skilling it then you want spell damage and not a sword

you could swap to a wand/scepter and use smite instead of vengeance and aim for a beefy battlemage style of character

currently I think your just trying to scale too many different vectors

[fiery talon]

yeah that's why I felt like the symbol of hope thing kind of took over my build

yeah

Like it's neat, and it's strong, but it just doesn't feel that good to play

[turbid dome]

if you want to focus melee with shield we can retool symbols for that.. but then your not gonna have the kaboom

[fiery talon]

I'd love actually if I could have like. idk. Fully specced into counters and reflect damage, with a 2 handed weapon preferrably an axe

That's my ideal

(I just like axes 😄 )

[turbid dome]

tbh axes are a void knight's best friend

and VK does a great melee and spell build

but VK is very much a offense over defense kinda game plan

[fiery talon]

Yeah I tried VK originally but you're right that it's more offense focused

[turbid dome]

relying on just a shit ton of vitality for a big thicc boi life pool

[fiery talon]

I even tried forge guard but that's just like a weird minion build

[turbid dome]

you may want to look at forge guard given theres a node there to use a twohander + shield

[turbid dome]

forge boi doesn't need to use minions

[fiery talon]

hmm

[turbid dome]

tho if you got a shield ring of shields is only kinda a minion

plus while its not great, smelters wrath might fit your playstyle as you stand there and charge it up for a few seconds then have a big kaboom

[pseudo parcel]

Shield Bash and Shield Charge represent

[fiery talon]

Yeah it feels like I can't just have a straightforward vengeance+rebuke core build. It's sort of a shame they're general sentinel skills cuz I think that meant the devs didn't put as much 'oomph' in them vs the specialization skillsets

[turbid dome]

You can use those as core, you just gotta have a plan for damage as their both slanted towards defense

[fiery talon]

as far as I know there's also not a lot of affixes that benefit this kind of build

hm yeah

well I wonder if I could do maybe fg with vengeance/rebuke and a LOT of reflect on my gear?

[turbid dome]

So like judgement paladin uses vengeance to build defense while the aura version of judgement sits on you and hurts stuff

[fiery talon]

And just face tank stuff?

[turbid dome]

Tbh if you want face tank it’s judgement paladin

[fiery talon]

does reflect work on like aoe and projectiles or is it melee only?

[turbid dome]

Forge guard can work but he’s kinda weak as he wasn’t really updated in the sentinel rework

He was updated before then but the mastery is still kinda all over the place focus wise

[fiery talon]

I see

[turbid dome]

Only on hits

Melee/ranged hits

Maybe AOE hits?

So like if an enemy attacks by throwing an AOE dot zone at you, that’s not a hit

If it shoots a spear of ice at you that’s a hit

[fiery talon]

ok so 'hits' not 'dots'

[turbid dome]

Yeah

Just some attacks look like a hit but it’s not a hit

[fiery talon]

so don't stand in the fire but if it's a big explosion that = hit?

[turbid dome]

In general, yes

[fiery talon]

ok

how can you get vengeance to work with judgement? or did you mean you use vengeance while standing in consecrated ground to facetank

Oh I see with the pious offering section

interesting idea... I wonder if counters count as vengeance hits for the purpose of regenerating mana

that could be interesting

And I wouldn't need to drastically rework my build to include this since I'm already fire/healing effectiveness specced

[turbid dome]

There’s a separate skill called riposte that’s triggered when you riposte

[fiery talon]

Oh ok so it doesn't count

this number scares me a little lol

[turbid dome]

Never trust tooltip dps

Go hit the target dummies at champions gate

[fiery talon]

this is just base damage without any nodes picked, don't even have the skill slotted yet

yeah

it's just wayyy higher than anything else I've got

I guess I could replace holy aura with this then

[turbid dome]

Oh holy aura is normally a must keep

[fiery talon]

Or lunge

Yeah holy aura is a huge buff for me I'm realizing

hmm

[turbid dome]

Sadly none of your skills are cooldown-less trigger skills

cooldownless triggered skills don’t need to be on your bar

So you could put unspeced lunge onto your bar

[sudden sigil]

tbh holy aura kinda lost some value with the new paladin nodes, i dont even take it on some builds anymore

[turbid dome]

Fair

Still funny to me how much raw resistances paladin gets from tree + holy aura

Vs rogue who gets like 30 poison res and that’s it

[sudden sigil]

yeah i go to make a bladedancer build and where do i get res 😔

[fiery talon]

Oh hmm I could make vengeance fire type damage and have it shred fire resist

That might actually see a pretty significant boost in my damage

[turbid dome]

Well the first mistake there is making a bladedancer (joking)

[turbid dome]

Shred is very good to have

That’s the other part of what makes VK strong, everything is void damage

[sudden sigil]

normally wouldnt
but had to fool around with every melee type now that vessel + shattered lance is possible

[turbid dome]

And it scales off of the same stuff

[turbid dome]

Honestly good look build wise

[sudden sigil]

and then they revealed the dot goes through ward lich node and i was sold to try that

that and more cold support sounds promising

[turbid dome]

Oh yeah the dot bypasses your ward is such a goated defense node

Keep ward for max hit where it’s better and use life vs dot where you can just leech to counter the dot

[fiery talon]

Ok I think what I'll do is replace lunge with judgement, respect vengeance to fire type and shred, and respec rebuke into that right side with armor shred and the fire dot aura thing

Maybe that'll be more rewarding

[turbid dome]

I’d add look at the far left node for rebuke

The speed boost upon leaving rebuke can be very helpful

And I think there’s one over there that lets you keep rebukes defenses for a second after ending the channeling

[pseudo parcel]

Rebuke tree is ass, I tried it

[fiery talon]

I have that sand yes is pretty good

[turbid dome]

Correct but if Punkin wants to try to make it work, more power to them

[fiery talon]

Yeah I'm pretty disappointed cuz I really wanted rebuke to be my core skill

[turbid dome]

Tho rebuke the elements is very funny vs Lagon

[turbid dome]

Sadly too much of rebuke’s power is in the innate 80% damage reduction it comes with

[fiery talon]

I wish they'd add a unique or something that improved rebuke in some way

yeah

[turbid dome]

There’s aspotates sanctuary

[fiery talon]

wazzat

[turbid dome]

You generate a shit ton of ward per second while channeling rebuke to become very tanky

Buuuutt casting a spell does a big chunk of current hp damage and disables leech for 4 seconds

Keep in mind rebuke is a spell

[fiery talon]

:crywhy:

[turbid dome]

So if you rebuke you gotta full channel it

[turbid dome]

Cause ez like 8k+ ward

[fiery talon]

Well being more tanky isn't really the issue I'm having

[turbid dome]

Yea

[fiery talon]

I just want rebuke to do BIG NUMBER but sadly, alas

[turbid dome]

Sadly that’s just not in the cards

Tho if you don’t think about it too hard smelters wrath does that

You get a defense boost while channeling it

And then big smack

warning it is still clunky af

[fiery talon]

Isn't that the big huge slow aoe attack it has?

or is that like 'anvil crush' or whatever

[turbid dome]

Smelters wrath is charge up a cone that you do a big slam in

Forge strike is drop a giant anvil in front of you

Forge strike does have a minion focused section but you don’t need to have it do minion stuff

Like you can make it be a very good aliment applying skill

[fiery talon]

I see

[turbid dome]

Tbh ima summon @quiet hearth for he has made many a wacky build and might know a path to make your idea work better

And I think I remember a retaliate build of some kind being worked on by him

[fiery talon]

Oh that'd be wonderful. If he pops in he has permission to ping the hell out of me

[iron basin]

i've done a rebuke reflect build that would one shot bosses like Rahyeh with their own attacks

[fiery talon]

hm this might be a nice scepter to use for this build

[iron basin]

it was absolutely garbage for clearing monoliths but the bossing was funny

[fiery talon]

How'd you manage to get it's damage high enough?

[iron basin]

Thornshell and Ring of Shields

you stack attunement and armor to scale the absolute hell out of your reflect as well as having % reflect on your shield specifically

ring of shields inherits the stats on your shield, so when you have a bunch of them out at once, they all reflect the same damage. you can reflect more damage than the enemy did if it hits all the shields at once

[turbid dome]

That’s the sauce I forgot about

[iron basin]

it's not very good, but it is funny watching bosses like Rahyeh that have big slams just delete themselves

trying to clear echoes is actual pain because you don't do any direct damage. LE really needs something that adds reflect to your attacks

I would say shield throw is an obvious candidate for a node that does it, but vengeance could be interesting too

[fiery talon]

I'd adore it if vengeance/riposte got that as a node/selection of nodes

dream come true

[silk wasp]

Sigeon's reprisal scales Shield Throw off your thorns

But obviously it conflicts with thornshell

[iron basin]

it scales off the thorns on the shield itself

it's basically just another source of flat throwing damage, which you get in spades already

[silk wasp]

It's all damage reflect

But yes, it just converts the reflect into flat throwing

[iron basin]

you know I had this exact conversation last season with my friend and I made the same mistake then

maybe I'll try a sigeon's build again this season since we have weaver idols that have flat reflect on them now

[silk wasp]

Yeah you can get some fat reflect going it's just still kinda bad because stuff in LE doesn't ever want to hit you

I had the same issue building phalanx. When I could trigger the effect it was good, but it didn't happen enough to be worth anything

[iron basin]

It's basically just another way to get more flat throwing so you can free up affix slots elsewhere

I actually think the real problem with sigeon shield throw is all the block stats you're giving up by not having majasa's countenence or a similar juicy shield

that's a lot of scaling that you're missing. you need a bunch of extra flat to make up for it

[fiery talon]

got some good rolls on this shield

for me this is pretty nice

just a chunk of stats I like

the healing effectiveness especially will just flat out increase all my damage too

[iron basin]

judgement?

[fiery talon]

good lord this judgement skill destroys shit

that and the healing effectiveness converted to fire pen node

[silk wasp]

Yeah

[iron basin]

i wonder if you can make a good CD shield throw now. I haven't tried playing it since the rework

[turbid dome]

Cooldown makes it difficult

[iron basin]

for sure

you'd probably need to alternate shield throw and a barrage javelin or something

previously shield throw has been absolute ass in single target without something like the explosions because it couldn't hit a single target more than once easily. the CD+self ricochet might make it doable

[silk wasp]

It's a decent enough support skill with frailty, phys pen, phys shred, and frenzy

[iron basin]

yeah but I wanna nuke things with it

[fiery talon]

ok yeah this was worth respeccing for

so basically I'm gonna make my vengeance and rebuke into shredders and mana regenerators and holy symbol/judgement will be my damage buttons

I can live with that

If I can figure out a way to make rebuke beefy I'd love that still but this is working enough for me

[iron basin]

HP is for nerds that can't kill things

[quiet hearth]

I was told there would be memes

[turbid dome]

Punkin wants to make a retaliate sentinel

And has tried doing it with rebuke for damage

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, you stack attunement to the moon with Thornshield and that is basically the build, the new reflect affixes and idols do add a decent amount you're just gonna be slow AF

It is wild to watch those towers in monos blow themselves up from across the map though

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Top end now you can get like 30k reflects

[iron basin]

the new reflect idols actually really efficient flat throwing damage for shield throw using sigeon's reprisal

they're on average 10 flat damage per small idol slot. that's kind of insane

[turbid dome]

Yee

[iron basin]

i tried a void shield throw build either in 1.0 or 1.1 with the large idol that fully converts it to void

it can be echoed like most things. the sounds it made were incredibly satisfying. thunk thunk thunk thunk thunk

[turbid dome]

🔥

[fiery talon]

damn that does sound fun

[iron basin]

it's fun but it wasn't very good in my experience. this was also before the sentinel rework so we've gotten a lot of new tools. could be good now, i haven't tried

[turbid dome]

Big

We get +1 all from beating chapter 9 and chapter 10

Fear me with +2 vitality for completing the campaign

[dense tendon]

damn we can now make leonines with glyphs of envy

[turbid dome]

[iron basin]

glyph of envy change is huge

champion regalia gang

[turbid dome]

The increase your effectiveness of idols primordial unique + all vitality idols = oh yeah we hitting 400 vitality

[iron basin]

is that legal

[turbid dome]

What are they gonna do arrest me?

Ima just walk away from the

[forest kelp]

ES mega nerf

[mortal escarp]

not really

just need t8 mana rolls and t8 void dmg rolls

[quiet hearth]

YES void knight nerfs

[mortal escarp]

yeah nerfed but not mega nerfed

[vernal frigate]

you cant slam t8s on worldsplitter/legendaries for ES

[mortal escarp]

unlike umbral blades lol

[quiet hearth]

listen after all theyve gotten I'll take what I can get

[turbid dome]

Ib4 Ruby fang set nerf

[mortal escarp]

true but i think you can still get t8 mana rolls no?

[forest kelp]

Void well cd4s

[mortal escarp]

im planning to build a necromancer next league anyways lol

[turbid dome]

You can get 1 T8 affix

Across all your equipped gear

[forest kelp]

Timeloop 3 point

[turbid dome]

And that locks you out of a primordial unique

[mortal escarp]

so just get more mana to cover that 1 extra second

[turbid dome]

Or just swing slightly less

[mortal escarp]

yeah

[turbid dome]

That’s such tame nerf

[mortal escarp]

at least its didnt get nerfed like umbral blades

[turbid dome]

20% less on shattered continuity (es) is also such not a problem given the skills damage is still meant for a skill with a cooldown

[mortal escarp]

true

[turbid dome]

Basically tho you probably don’t want blade master in base sentinel now

[mortal escarp]

maybe

[turbid dome]

Or maybe only a few points

Need to see how 4s cd on void well shakes out mana wise

[mortal escarp]

if you swing less it shouldnt be a problem

[turbid dome]

Yea

[vale ravine]

It's gonna be fine just dont slam atk speed

[mortal escarp]

just grab that one node for extra free echos but decreases attack speed

[turbid dome]

Just gotta figure out how much less

[forest kelp]

No more free cleanse form smite

[turbid dome]

Oh true avatar of regret

[modest palm]

its not looking good not gonna lie

[mortal escarp]

yeah

[vale ravine]

I personally expected nuke, this is kinda workable

[mortal escarp]

avatar of regret should be able to even out the 4scd some what

[turbid dome]

I see nothing stopping me from doing vitality stacking rive vk so huzzah

[vale ravine]

Ye the vk passive tree going virtually untouched is big

[mortal escarp]

i see nothing preventing me from one shotting uber with my primalist as well

[silk wasp]

I expected 6s on void well so 4 is best case scenario really

[forest kelp]

Always use it

[turbid dome]

And ES is nerfed but also like bro is still solid

At the worst only do 1 guaranteed echo and invest points differently to support that

Build will still work

And at the best it’s a slight damage nerf

[modest palm]

thing is cooldown is the one thing we dont build on vk, so its a nerf that stings

[vernal frigate]

Added a new prefix for daggers, one handed axes, and two handed axes, which grants additional melee and necrotic spell damage.

new way to brick your crafting

[mortal escarp]

doesnt sting that much imo

[vernal frigate]

Aberroth’s Frailty now also grants 50% reduced healing effectiveness per stack.

ooo

how it shouldve been

[mortal escarp]

"abberoth and uber abberoth deals 1000% increased damage against paladin per stack of abberoth's Frailty"

[vernal frigate]

Flames of Midnight grants +7-11% fire, necrotic, and void penetration (from 11-17%).

😭 !!!

pen down on idols too

[silk wasp]

Oof just saw the world splitter nerf too

[vernal frigate]

omg i havent got to it yet

[mortal escarp]

does legacy items exist?

[vernal frigate]

HOLY

thats huge you cant crit cap as easily now

[silk wasp]

Oh hey they fixed the iron form bug on ring of shields

[upbeat scarab]

judgment Paladin will be viable?

[vernal frigate]

yea probs but you cant afk uberroth anymore

gotta do mechanics and stand outside of lasers/pools

[mortal escarp]

nice

[upbeat scarab]

Won't it be that build tank anymore?

[turbid dome]

LETS GOO

[tribal basin]

Minions will no longer sometimes run back and forth between a potential target and the summoner.
This is huge for FW

[turbid dome]

The +5 vitality idols only had the life regen nerfed

Not me vitality

[wide haven]

Are we back boys?

[upbeat scarab]

Won't it be that build tank anymore?

[wide haven]

Is this a nerf to Erasing strike

Shattered Continuity now also grants Erasing Strike 20% less damage.

[vernal frigate]

yes to both of you

[frigid zenith]

oof voidwell nerf is pretty pain

[upbeat scarab]

ok thanks for the answers

[frigid zenith]

oh rip javarot

[flint inlet]

They went hard at time rot VK:(

BBC/javalin/vipertail nerfed

[vernal frigate]

87.5% crit chance for erasing strike now with the changed crit per mana on worldsplitter (pre-shattered worlds, using the same tree as 1.2)
(5 base + 5 mortal cleave + 6 erasing strike tree + 9 world splitter (0.3 x 30)) * (100% + 50% vk passives + 120% from anomaly + 80% symbols) = 25 * 3.5 = 87.5%

so you now need some crit on idols or rings (48% increased crit chance total) to hit 100%

[mental flare]

new woven echoes let's goooo

[tribal basin]

The “of Bulwark” Sentinel idol affix grants +176-380 block effectiveness on adorned idols (from 176-475), +124-268 block effectiveness on large idols (from 124-335), and +185-400 block effectiveness on huge idols (from 185-500).
They nerfed Shield Crush

[flint inlet]

Es nerfs seem more reasonable

[turbid dome]

Yea

[flint inlet]

was time rot VK really that OP to catch these nerfs...it was very glass cannon, Uber aberroth specific type of build

[turbid dome]

The banner spear one? Yeah

[flint inlet]

yeah...that build just lost 300% damage boost from battle standard...

[mental flare]

NO WAY THEY NERFED A FU#$ WW ITEM

RIP Clotho

[forest kelp]

Flames of Midnight grants +7-11% fire, necrotic, and void penetration (from 11-17%)

[flint inlet]

They also nerfed scissor of atropos....I don't see how that was an OP item

[mental flare]

AND MY MAJASA NOOOOOOOOOOOO

😭

Brewmaster’s Buckle too

no way

my build in shambles

[forest kelp]

Orian’s Descent grants +4-20 intelligence (from 4-25). It now has an effective level for legendary potential of 65 (from 40).

I have 10+ 3lp

[mental flare]

this is retroactive right? no legacy items and such i guess

[vernal frigate]

"existing items can be updated with a divine orb" wait a minute

yeah i think its retroactive

[forest kelp]

World Splitter grants +0.2-0.3% critical strike chance for melee attacks per 1 mana cost (from 0.3-0.5% per 1).

🥶

[mental flare]

ES and Judgement on the ground (?

[vernal frigate]

nerfed for sure but not completely dead i dont think

i wonder if they will tease some more uniques until release

🙏

[silk wasp]

There were 3 in the overview video

[vernal frigate]

oh thanks ill check that out, thought it was just reading over the notes

[frigid zenith]

aaaand no mention of devouring orb bug being fixed in the patch notes

sigh

[mental flare]

long af update, love it

[vernal frigate]

woah the new primordial helmet

[mental flare]

damn they are blasting the ask the dev channel

[vernal frigate]

hahaha

[forest kelp]

Available affix tier counts are 1-5 (1T, 2T, 3T, 4T, 5T).
For example:
T6+ or 1T6+ matches any exalted item (at least 1 affix is tier 6 or higher).
2T7 matches double T7 exalted items (at least 2 affixes are tier 7).
3T6+&T7 matches triple exalted items where at least 1 affix is T7 (e.g. T7/T7/T7 or T7/T6/T6 would both match).

Nice

[uneven gorge]

nerfed already

[vernal frigate]

holy

[dense tendon]

Changed the WASD controls for Warpath so that if no movement buttons are pressed the Warpath is stationary.
didnt they intentionally change this earlier

[pseudo parcel]

Cleansing Light now has a trigger limit of 3 times per 10 seconds (previously had no limit).

So I gotta do Uberroth mechanics now, huh

[mental flare]

that was quick lmao

[pseudo parcel]

Urgent Inquisition grants +50 mana cost (from 40) and now also grants 50% less healing from Consecrated Ground (previously had no effect on healing).

Ripge

[loud quest]

ES VK will be fine. Cool down reduction will be needed to compensate since shattered continuity may not be worth taking (does that affect echoes?). Three points in hastened cataclysm will help, but oh gawd, the nerf to void well makes mana economy harder

Running echoes will remain a breeze, but Uber fights just got a lot longer.

[pseudo parcel]

Yeah, VK enjoyers continue eating good

I gotta do the math on Judgement but I'm certain I might need another build for HC this time

[loud quest]

Not as good. Imagine having to put forth thought with mana economy. Sounds hard.

[mental flare]

me: they should make this game a little harder
me when they actually make the game harder: unfair 😡 !

[loud quest]

Also, these new primal and t8 items will be insane

[pseudo parcel]

Idol effectiveness sounds amazing

[loud quest]

Was hoping to see some sorcerer love. ES VK still the working class do-all tho.

[pseudo parcel]

I was looking at Sorc right now

I love the giga Glacier build but hoped for some buffs or love in general

[loud quest]

I want more with lightning meteor. Think the T8 helmet may actually the ticket now that I think about it.

[forest kelp]

0:16am cant sleep

[pseudo parcel]

The “of Bulwark” Sentinel idol affix grants +176-380 block effectiveness on adorned idols (from 176-475), +124-268 block effectiveness on large idols (from 124-335), and +185-400 block effectiveness on huge idols (from 185-500).

Oh yes, rip indeed

[loud quest]

Imagine that vilatria affix in T8.

Wrong channel tho, sorry lol

[pseudo parcel]

Aberroth’s Frailty now also grants 50% reduced healing effectiveness per stack.

I actually have to get good now

[loud quest]

My judgy buddy was right. Nerf hammer.

[mental flare]

eurasia detected

[pseudo parcel]

K. Time to giga invest in Shield Bash FG then. Can't get hit by Frailty when the boss is stunned

[loud quest]

Can Uber even be reliably stunned?

[pseudo parcel]

Not as much as normal but it is quite frequently

I ripped a Shield Bash FG to him this season and got him to 12%

It's certainly doable

[mental flare]

link

[loud quest]

Even thumping Uber with 2 mil crits and some stunning, still only stunned him once without shrine buffs. Never tried with stacking stun affixes, but I'd lose too much mana / dps

[pseudo parcel]

I might go Shield Charge for farming and respec into Bash for bossing

Tough decisions

LE, exams and PoE 2 a week later

[hollow echo]

so did they nerf VK erasing strike

[loud quest]

Aye. VK and pally knew it was coming tho.

[pseudo parcel]

rip my schedule

[loud quest]

How bad are timerot vks hit?

[forest kelp]

🫂

[pseudo parcel]

@turbid dome

[loud quest]

More damaging is the void well nerf, imo

[gusty abyss]

Mark of rot nerfed some more 😄

[turbid dome]

[quasi forum]

Void Well nerf -- Ok, slightly unfortunate, but that's why the -mana cost passive on Warpath exists 🙂

[wanton iris]

with the nerfs to slowdown the ES players how bad it will affact us, the poor and lazy spin2win players?

[pseudo parcel]

Looks fine to me

[lunar marten]

the more i think about it, the less its "great", t8s get sealed meaning you cant put t8 affixs in uniques with LP.

idk maybe im missing something

[loud quest]

I think you get one t8 item or one primordial item, but not one of each. Like, if I could seal t8 mana affix 240 on a leonine great helm, that's pretty hawt

Or even t8 mana on arcane visage, again pretty great

[lunar marten]

yea that works if your not using that slot w/ a unqiue. I feel alot of builds are all equipped with unique and have 2-3lps. so its a pretty big oppurtunity cost. like does a t8 affix merrit a unique with 2-3 additional affixs.

[loud quest]

My mage build uses vilatria, so that's exactly what I'm doing for my mage. Still on the fence when i do vk

[modest palm]

hope the primordial buff compensates the nerfs

what item should we go for primordial with warpath?

clothos?

[unborn cypress]

Any thoughts on new gear or build for forge guard forged weapons builds new season?

[loud quest]

VK mana economy goes to hell with void well nerf and more importance with hastened cataclysm to compensate for splitter nerf.

[iron basin]

you can't have older uniques be primordial. primordial uniques are their own thing, and primordial exalted items have a sealed T8 affix that can't be put on an item with LP

[modest palm]

i misread then

to be fair i didnt read the patch notes yet

[latent ferry]

yknow, I did wonder why my 600% fire res paladin felt like it wasn't doing much damage...

I guess I can go back to recommending this build lmao

[loud quest]

So I could see myself swapping ekk for a t8 leonine, provided the end-game-gearing doesn't necessitate that fancy new true sight glass in lieu of nihilis

[wanton iris]

void well nerfed? oh gosh and i thought sustaining a warpath without mult t7 mana was a nightmare before

[vernal frigate]

is this for ES?

[loud quest]

Void well CD went from 3 to 4

[vernal frigate]

i think nihilis will still be way better than the new glass thingy

[loud quest]

And it's unaffected by cool down reduction affixes

Depends, kerbin. You make a build with 140% crit rate, 40% of your crits provide 3x damage

In the grand scheme of things, that's ungodly

[unborn cypress]

World splitter nerfed too

[wanton iris]

spin2win mana sustain was really really really bad without mult t7 mana affixes and now we get hit with another sustain nerf

[vernal frigate]

true but you lose up to 12% increased mana, lose +2 all skills, lose frenzy,

among other things

[loud quest]

World splitter nerf isn't end of world. Just annoying.

[vernal frigate]

yea

[unborn cypress]

All the little annoying nerfs add up

[loud quest]

Yah, I know kerbin. Needs a lot of vetting. Losing resistance is huge, but not worried about frenzy anymore.

My thought is to compensate with slow mega hits vs fast, mana consuming hits / echoes.

I guess we keep all our shit in legacy mode, so won't take long to figure out.

[balmy mountain]

Any forged weapon enjoyers?

[mental flare]

a last ride before the majasa and belt nerf 😭

[iron basin]

Thornshell time baby

[vernal frigate]

wtff where did you see that

i checked the video

[iron basin]

someone linked it in rogue chat

[vernal frigate]

lmao what the

wow i just checked theres like 3-4 in there

[forest kelp]

Shield throw

[iron basin]

yeah sigeons with it could be sick as well

[turbid dome]

This thing + peak of the mountain + rive vk

[vernal frigate]

wtf

[iron basin]

you know that's a good chunk more damage

[vernal frigate]

they are all on the maxroll planner

[turbid dome]

Someone on reddit basically said double damage

Which is funny when rive have an 80% echo chance

And your echos can crit

[mental flare]

disgusting, i love it

[turbid dome]

Or is the one that apparently boosts your idols better because vitality

[mental flare]

swordcatcher love frenzy

[turbid dome]

Is LE tools not updated

[gusty abyss]

can only have 1 idol per type though

[vernal frigate]

doesnt seem like it

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/

gocrazy

wild

[turbid dome]

[vernal frigate]

yeah that one was shown in the overview video, pretty much a kintsugi from poe with more stuff

very nice

[mental flare]

strength stackers eating good this season

[iron basin]

jesus christ that's a lot of ward

[still plinth]

Uh, why is VK completely untouched?

[mental flare]

all of these looks broken af

we sure these are real?

[gusty abyss]

Because it wasnt VK that was overperforming, it was Erasing Strike

[still plinth]

I don't think a 20% dmg nerf is gonna do anything, unless i missed some patches in between release 😂

[turbid dome]

You can only use 1 primordial item at a time

This includes an item with an exalted T8 affix

Only 1

[gusty abyss]

void well increased cd, world splitter reduced crit chance

[iron basin]

am i crazy or does the dex scaling MS on this apply to your base MS

it doesn't say % increased

[turbid dome]

Wouldn’t it say +1 ms per dex if it was flat base?

What’s the wording on darkstrides

[mental flare]

i know, still looks boosted af

not complaining tho

[iron basin]

dark strides has a %

[turbid dome]

👀

[iron basin]

it's either a typo, or base MS

[vernal frigate]

oh...........

[iron basin]

if it's your base MS you gonna ZOOM with that dagger

[vernal frigate]

what the

[turbid dome]

Quick what’s 5 *1.6

[silk wasp]

Well damn we were just talking about thorns and here it is

[vernal frigate]

8

LLOL

[turbid dome]

Yay 8 vit per 1x2 idol

[turbid dome]

Oh good lord

[vernal frigate]

real

[gusty abyss]

So T8 skill affixes for helm, chest and relic? xD

[iron basin]

can't wait to see the +400 skill levels people get on elemental nova now

[silk wasp]

T8 is exclusive with primordial uniques so no

[gusty abyss]

legendary affixes means affixes you slam on uniques

[mental flare]

that's 9% health for each woven stout idol

[gusty abyss]

So your +4 on helm/chest/relic will be +6

[scenic gyro]

Is db updated yet

[silk wasp]

Oh you mean they'll be effectively as strong as a t8

[lunar marten]

if its a primordial affix, what would it be o.O

[dense tendon]

honestly grasp of the blood mage and immortal vise are too good not to use

[mental flare]

you are not leaving ravenous void aside right

[silk wasp]

Ffffffffff wow ok I need to know if/how that works with FWs

[serene bough]

+4 to all skills is a lot

[gusty abyss]

Yeah lvl 44 forgestrike is on the table

[iron basin]

just spec the whole tree

[gusty abyss]

Just about, and it will all have value

[iron basin]

that's a crazy strong defensive neck

you get to ignore three resist types entirely on top of mitigating them with your armor

[gusty abyss]

and phys is twice as strong as non phys

[mental flare]

strength stackers eating good this season x 2

[silk wasp]

Yeah that amulet is cracked

[dense tendon]

were are you getting these

[vernal frigate]

maxroll planner has them all

[lean swift]

wouldnt be that good with sanguine?

[silk wasp]

Bleedsplosion gloves 🤔

[mental flare]

never saw a 23 one

[silk wasp]

🤔

[mental flare]

nerfed version confirmed

[lean swift]

still nice

[gusty abyss]

maxroll has lpl of 55 for it, that means 3 lp is plausible, unless that also got changed ofc

[lean swift]

can't wait for 9 blues + harmony meta

[mental flare]

The LPL is 60.

[lean swift]

btw wont this work with rune of removal with double t6/t7 magic + sealed affix (as it's stil blue) XD?

so u run basicaly 9 blues with t6+ doubles while this stuff is breakng shit

[sullen jolt]

guys, is there something similar to PoE righteous fire walking simulator?

[muted oar]

warpath

[polar spire]

Pact severance axe and the vine summoning boots

[sullen jolt]

viable for endgame?

old noob with skill issues friendly?

[polar spire]

none of that ever will be

LMAO

Warpath is

I've helped setup warpath for a guy that only had 1 finger that worked out of both hands

[sullen jolt]

tbh, I love shields archetypes, so will most prolly go Shield bash Forge Guard and I will level tih the skill xd

shield absh fg okk for endgame?

[polar spire]

Spin to win is your 1 path slop shop

[sullen jolt]

stronger then shield bash?

demg and survi wise?

[polar spire]

shield bash is just slow, and you're old and don't have all the time in the world

[sullen jolt]

lol, this!

[polar spire]

normally I tell people "you have all the time in the world"

[sullen jolt]

xd

[polar spire]

But that doesn't work here

[sullen jolt]

Not that old afetr all 😉 but still

I can spend a few days 😉

[pseudo parcel]

You can go Shield Charge

it's a very fun build

[sullen jolt]

I love low apm builds

preferrably 1 - 2 buttons

[polar spire]

play @fair hollow Paladin Spellcaster Manifest Armor

[sullen jolt]

endgame viable?

[polar spire]

its where you run manifest armor as a flamethrower spellcaster and you just follow it around

[sullen jolt]

endgame viable?

[polar spire]

sentinel's considered the weakest class compared to the rest, and wrouk's held #1 on the leaderboard with it for usually 3 weeks against all the other classes with it

[sullen jolt]

shield bash will be good for endgame? tanky? and this shield charge/ with shield charge do I need another skill or SC can handle all siktuations?

[polar spire]

otherwise he usually maintains sentinel #1 for longer

[polar spire]

you missed out on years ago when people ran stupid cooldown reduction, and used shield bashes guaranteed stun to form groups of shield bash sentinels that would take on the hardest bosses and stunlock them to death

YOU WOULDVE BEEN IN YOUR PRIME

[sullen jolt]

and nowadays? can i t handle endgame ? i dont mind sloer gameplay

zimmer chair not going anywhere without me

[polar spire]

i mean what is endgame for you? ubberoth?

or just spamming maps

endgame by the devs is what, 500c?

im sure you can make shield bash work just fine in endgame, every skill can be made to work fine in endgame

ive made almost all skills work fine in 300c+

[sullen jolt]

so 500c and some engame bosses

ww is tanky and forgiving?

i also need a fast mapper so ww would fit this bill i guess

[pseudo parcel]

It can kill Uberroth, yes

[sharp osprey]

probably more than that, it's pretty tanky.
My shield bash build has capped res, 80+% armor mitigation, 1500 life regen, and almost capped block and it's not even finished.
The only issue it faces is mana sustain.

I'm still working my way up in corruption but I just facetank everything I encounter.

[pseudo parcel]

and permastuns everything else currently in the game

I had my gf checking what's on the TV when playing Shield Bash because the female Harbinger is in a state of constantly moaning when you stun her

That's how good the build is

[sharp osprey]

Last league with shield bash I would just go afk while leaving my shield bash button held down with the shift tab glitch and come back to the boss being dead.

[pseudo parcel]

That checks out

The only downsides for me are slow clear and that it comes online super late

[sharp osprey]

I'm using event horizon now, and yeah I actually dodge roll to get my move speed up lmfao

[pseudo parcel]

I wouldn't make the switch before LP1 Horizon and at least all the legendaries

[sharp osprey]

luckily my first horizon was LP 1

got it on the first try too

[sullen jolt]

SO SHIELD BASH it is then for a strat!

[pseudo parcel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4KLUhcqUHfI&pp=ygUUYmluYXFjIHNoaWVsZCBjaGFyZ2U%3D

There's also this

It should be even better in S3, that one is a bit more flexible

shoutout to my boi @terse hinge

[sharp osprey]

this is my setup rn, but I'm thinking of using the new primal ammy. blossom or whatnot

i gotta get an immortal vise tho

[pseudo parcel]

Yeah the gloves are very good

plus some of the new items look amazing too

[sharp osprey]

👀 placeholder gloves

[pseudo parcel]

They killed Judgement Paladin but we're just building giga tank FGs now

[sullen jolt]

do u think its better then pure shield bsah, i mean stronger tankier quicker etc?

[sudden sigil]

aura version only got a light tap, we still op

[silent storm]

I almost choked reading this

holy mother of roast

[polar spire]

THATS A SMITE HELMET IF IVE EVER SEEN ONE

[tacit zealot]

this kinda looks juicy for ward stacking div bolt caster

[polar spire]

found my bleed forge strike gloves

[silk wasp]

Those look fun

[polar spire]

time to run the poison axe and shield set

[silk wasp]

Ooh yeah

[polar spire]

OH NO they put super crits into the game

ive made some dangerously tanky sent builds that used those convert to phys helm and chest affixes

thats nasty

[gusty abyss]

That attunement staff though

[polar spire]

this with forge guard minions

[silk wasp]

I think the FWs will get replaced too often to really benefit from the roar but idk depends on the cooldown

Maybe on Manifest Armor tho

I'm eyeing the shield for FWs

[tacit zealot]

was gonna start necro but seeing that astral blood chest i may have to do yet another HH div bolts pally seems like getting and sustaining more than 10-12k ward is back

[unborn cypress]

You think we can kill Uber with forged weapons with that now?

[lean swift]

Now it’s hard to decide what to play

[polar spire]

HA

uber? with forged weapons? maybe in 10 years when the devs finally decide to actually do something proper about forge guard

[simple reef]

time rot still alive 👍

[silk wasp]

You'd need some way to keep the FWs alive through all the ground BS

[iron basin]

mike said it was ~12s with 12s duration

so effectively permanent uptime on permanent minions

[silk wasp]

Neat

[iron basin]

look, I did about 1/5 of uberoth's life with smelter's wrath. I feel like I made some progress

it'll get there one day :cope:

[mental flare]

how many LP on that ukheiros?

[valid orchid]

I'm playing time rot build with forgotten knight set and smite as the main applicator of time rot.. I'm farming corruption 1000, but seems I'm just lacking something in order to do uberroth.. I'm kinda gotten bored of trying to farm better gear, as it's decently good that I rarely see any upgrades anymore.. Is uberroth doable with this, and any tips, what does it take..?

[sharp osprey]

Just 1.

[mental flare]

fair, i did that dragon over 40 times only twice dropped a lp1 shield

[sharp osprey]

Yeah I would love to get a 2lp version of it.
Im just happy I got t7 block chance on it.

[iron basin]

if you're farming at 1000c, it sounds like you need to learn the uberoth mechanics better

unironically a git-gud moment. probably just need more reps at it

[mental flare]

i think now is the BiS after majasa nerf

[mental flare]

link your build sir

[sharp osprey]

I really need to get a majesa before the nerf drops. I want to experiment with it.

[mental flare]

you have 6 days

woven

[sharp osprey]

Yee i think I can manage it.

[mental flare]

they usually drop LP2

higher block chance + easier 2lp > uhkeiros > new majasa

[valid orchid]

Uh, it's self made, don't have any builder done for it..

[mental flare]

yeah np, i was talking about the lastepochtools thing

[valid orchid]

Yeaah, I know if I have patience to fight for like 20mins I could do it but that seems quite.. annoying

[iron basin]

i mean that's how it goes. it's not meant to be a short or easy fight. the builds that melt it quickly are extremely well tuned

20 minutes is still a long ass time though

[valid orchid]

I set uberroth as a goal for this season and the time is running out 😅 I could switch for some javelin time rot, but just wanna do it with my own build

I can try to create the build in build planner if someone wants to weigh in and give some tips..

[mental flare]

this channel is full of min maxxers tho i'm sure someone can help

don't want to @ them 😆

they are reading i know

[iron basin]

are you playing online? if you are, you can just import the character in LETools

[lean swift]

Javelin rot will be unplayable ?

[valid orchid]

Oh? Great!

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0kwRxKA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 4,628, Regen: 42/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 8 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 144% / 166% / 139% / 111% / 109% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 1,379
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (18)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,726)
▸ Block Chance: 29%, Mitigation: 40% (1,274)

Used skills:

Abyssal Echoes / Smite / Volatile Reversal / Anomaly / Devouring Orb

[austere coral]

I'm thinking of Forged Weapons with these gloves. Anyone knows if conversion mod is affected by % effectiveness on Phantom Grip's "The Stats on your Gloves apply to your Forged Weapons at (64 to 100)% effectiveness" and what happens if I go over 100%?

[polar spire]

oh thats a good point too

[sharp osprey]

Keep in mind that special unique affixes dont get transferred to minions.

[sharp osprey]

Iirc over 100% just increases the stats further.

[polar spire]

yea i guess if that did work

[turbid dome]

probably not unplayable but it looses a giant damage multiplier

[polar spire]

the best play would prob be to run a mordita's, since the weapons would get 500% frostbite into bleed, and then play rive/fw and get 1000% bleed chance on rive

that'd still be really strong though LMAO

even without the forged weps, those gloves on a mordita's would be 1000% bleed chance on rive

LMFAO

YAY ANOTHER REASON TO USE MORDITAS

[turbid dome]

[sharp osprey]

Wouldnt the frostbite to bleed on minions not work because its a unique affix

[polar spire]

im not entirely sure, its usually just attributes and procs that dont work

[turbid dome]

only sometimes

[austere coral]

Ailment conversion doesn't feel special enough to not be transfered. Frankly it's the only reason why I'm considering these, so I can convert Molten Infusion's ignite chance

[turbid dome]

the offical wording is minions wont inherit "complicated" affixes

and attributes

[alpine canopy]

The bleed to ignite conversion on Maehlin's transfers, right?

[fast flume]

Damn, the ES changes 😔 Well, if the build was that broken and I still couldnt beat Uber Aberroth, I think it's fair to say I'm probably never beating Uber Aberroth 😂 😭

[sharp osprey]

I was busy looking at your reply and I stepped on a lego.

Death is near.
Tell my family

[polar spire]

ive only ever had forged weapons proc unique weapon procs once and it was like 4 years ago

and that was forged weapons proccing volcanus magma shards

and then they like ninja patched it

if they let forged weapons do weapon procs

i feel like that would greatly alleviate forged weapons builds

[turbid dome]

EHG let forged weapons inherit every unique affix

[polar spire]

yea what could possibly go wrong

[iron basin]

maybe voidwinter bolt spear could be useable

[polar spire]

i still want a unique that turns forged weapons into mini manifest armors that can use all the armor stats + phantom grip for super gloves

[turbid dome]

funny weaver proc spear c:

[iron basin]

imagine your forged weapons machine gunning cold bolts

[alpine canopy]

It's usable for shatter strike atm, maybe other stuff too

[turbid dome]

imagine if you were dual wielding your forged weapons would be two weapons each c:

[polar spire]

hmmm

[iron basin]

i think that's more a testement to shatter strike being good and not the voidwinter spear being good

[polar spire]

if i focus on mordita's rive with the new gloves, i don't have to go fg anymore

the question now is paladin or vk

time rot turns into bleed too

[turbid dome]

like dualwield just makes each forged weapon into a Doublade

[sharp osprey]

Give forged weapons hands.

[polar spire]

omg thats a pokemon

[alpine canopy]

That's possible, I never got around to testing it with anything else
but tbf, even the voidwinter bolt procs were good enough to clear trash on that setup

[polar spire]

i thought it was a kingdom hearts enemy

[turbid dome]

yes

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

convert that into cyborgs pen nib strike build

[iron basin]

it scales with attunement. I thought about trying a cold bug setup with it

[alpine canopy]

Nah, I like my setup better. Clear feels very smooth thanks to the bolts, and I'm not constantly bleeding to death lol

[turbid dome]

[polar spire]

you guys ever seen a 3lp mordita's? i needa know how rare it is for if i wanna slap 2 or 3 affixes on this mordita's on this theorycraft

[iron basin]

I think most I've ever had was 2 but I also don't farm higher than 500c

[polar spire]

alright i'll prob just run a 2 then

[sharp osprey]

Morditas seems to actually be pretty common for a 3lp.

[alpine canopy]

I thought about avalanche or jav smite, but SS just felt the best thanks to dex stacking synergy

[fair hollow]

I regret not taking time off for s3 now im seeing the minion changes....

[alpine canopy]

It's rough

[polar spire]

yea i know about that part, but i can get a better idea from what players have seen

[polar spire]

say bye bye to spellcaster MA being #1 on the leaderboard

[fair hollow]

Still be season starting with spell MA but recurve abom seems broken too

[iron basin]

homie that's a 0.03% chance. i wouldn't really say it's common considering the reroll

[fair hollow]

Nah il just do it in first 4 days

[sharp osprey]

Means it's very common on MG

[fair hollow]

Spell MA got some big buffs

[iron basin]

maybe, I don't play MG 🤷‍♂️

[polar spire]

dam, too bad they're gloves and i cant run wing guards