🔱┃sentinel

[alpine canopy]

I think it was a bad design decision, personally

[wooden mountain]

in MG that giga loot would trickle down

it would devalue non-uber'd Exalted stuff

[marsh belfry]

or let it drop from normal at a lower rate

[warped night]

if there weren't any viable alternatives to both the gloves and relic I would agree, but that's not the case

[alpine canopy]

and that's part of the problem, it makes MG and CoF very different for people and fosters elitism and that "meta or worthless" mentality

[wooden mountain]

uber gear just doesn't exist for most CoF players

[pine egret]

Sweet thanks! Will switch my hunt from high LP Maw to high WW Needle then 😄 I do have a Needle with T3 Crit multi and T4 Attack speed but don't know if that's better to use than my current T7 Melee Void and T5 Armour shred on hit Maw.

Gonna need to get some more mana sustain if switching at least

[marsh belfry]

If u ask in chat nowadays u find someone who carries you alot of time

atleast I try to help people often

[alpine canopy]

As you said, they are basically always BiS where they fit

[warped night]

I mean, that's kind of a "them" problem? maybe try out something non-meta for once. try enjoying the game for what it is. maybe try rolling a homebrew build. don't force the game to balance around the specific min/max obsessed people at the detriment of both build diversity and rewarding challenges

[alpine canopy]

It's a community issue, not an individual person thing

[warped night]

as I would hope something to be from the hardest boss the game has to offer. imagine if he dropped something that was almost never good. the challenge would feel pretty pointless, no?

[alpine canopy]

The challenge is the point, along with races and whatever

[wooden mountain]

which build scales electrify smite & triggered healing hands the hardest? I have a suspicion that it may be multistrike but I'm not sure

[warped night]

PoE brainrot strikes again lol

[waxen nymph]

Is the fact that you beat the hardest content of the game not enough? That's a lot of bragging rights

[warped night]

I couldn't care less about bragging rights

I'm just here to make cool builds man

[wooden mountain]

I'm guessing that javelin is the best electrify skill though

[chilly peak]

I have a very bad rolled Apathys with T7 crit and a very low T6 Melee Void roll. It is the around same damage for me with a T7 attack speed Needle.

I still go both ways, trying to hunt the perfect Axe for a more speedy setup and in the meanwhile I spam Follys to see if I'm lucky some day

[waxen nymph]

Multistrike + Smite is close

Or at least very good

Not sure wich one is the best

[wooden mountain]

I want vengeance +phalanx +javelin +throwing smite idols +healing hands to be a real build but phalanx just sucks

[warped night]

bruh same. I tried it and it was just shit

let me hit myself to proc riposte please

[wooden mountain]

you expect your mana to tank as it rains javelins everywhere

but actually you get f all javelins and your damage output is so uneven

[warped night]

yup

and bosses were extra awful

[wooden mountain]

if you go javelins & smite idols you don't get the triggered healing hands

which I really want

direct cast smite with triggered HH actually feels pretty nice imo

[warped night]

I was doing bleed so I wasn't super concerne with that, but damn it was so bad when javs weren't going

[alpine canopy]

You do get that with MS+smite, though

[warped night]

I have yet to get vengeance to do reasonable damage

which I guess is fine given its defensive utility

but it's not for me

[alpine canopy]

I don't know if direct cast smite will get decent single target, but yeah I can see clear feeling nice

[wooden mountain]

yes, but for reasons I can't really articulate I really dislike the feel of multistrike, just something about the timing and range/aoe of the direct attack feels terrible to me

[warped night]

it's a little clunky, yeah

[alpine canopy]

That's fair to not like using a point blank melee

[wooden mountain]

and for all the cool shit that's happening on the screen your inputs are just run over and bonk stuff with multistrike

[warped night]

it's not just a MS problem imo. some melee skills just feel really bad or the targeting is super clunky. both MS and vengeance have that issue, but rive is spared thanks to the AoE nature and vacuum

[alpine canopy]

I enjoy it, but also I enjoyed a Jelkhor's melee build which is pretty similar in practice

[warped night]

really any of the melee skills that are single target with little AoE feel pretty clunky to use

need some better auto target snapping, not anything to buff them, but just to make the usage smoother

[alpine canopy]

MS and vengeance are both point blank melees like that, so I think we're saying the same thing

[wooden mountain]

are there any sentinel skills which make good use of the searing touch staff

[warped night]

lol probably

[wooden mountain]

staff aspd scaling is horrid, but the scaling is unbound IF you can attack fast enough somehow

[warped night]

jasper?

[wooden mountain]

yeah

[warped night]

earthquake was pretty good with it

[waxen nymph]

Rive

You can go 1.2 rive for giga AS

[warped night]

shame there's not full fire conversion though

[waxen nymph]

You also get Flat Dmg for HH

[waxen nymph]

🙏 S3

[alpine canopy]

Soon™️

[warped night]

I'd still probably end up using sword catcher lol. I really do like that axe

I feel like jaspers might be good on a melee falconer too since it's got that fire pen passive node for staves

it'll obviously not be your typical op falconer

maybe a first-strike-only cinder strike build, use birds aren't real with no slotted falcon

it is a shame though that FG can't do staff and shield

at least as far as that weapon is concerned

[simple reef]

just found datamined boots from the next uber actually

on letools

what do yall think

1.3 good?

[warped night]

lol is that what you've been up to this whole time

[simple reef]

yep.

[turbid dome]

ah yes immune to damage

truly a balanced stat

[simple reef]

it says immune to Damage but maybe you can get hit by damage still?

[wooden mountain]

you cannot be Hit
you take 300% more DOT

Would be such a rippy item

there are so many very dangerous DOTs but obviously most incoming damage isn't DOT

[simple reef]

that's a good idea to balance out the boots

[wooden mountain]

don't forget to add a cleanse every 0.1s

or perhaps Core of the Mountain has 500% increased cooldown recovery speed

[simple reef]

good set bonus for the mountain items

[turbid dome]

I'm more concerned about the +10% swagger

0.o

thats busted

[simple reef]

are these balanced yet?

[alpine canopy]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[turbid dome]

add in "Destroys items you walk over"

cause you trample stuff

[simple reef]

finally, rune of shattering QoL

[silk wasp]

Only falconer can clear btw

[waxen nymph]

I just noticed the lpl and where you get it from

😂

[marsh belfry]

Another one

Why farm timeline if u can farm normal abby

[halcyon granite]

need more swagger maybe

[astral crater]

2 lp but its a 0.4 😭

[marsh belfry]

its fine I will use them later to try and slam somthing on them if it hits I can reroll

[warped night]

love the reroll mechanic. shame I threw away some bricked high LPs from pre-1. 2, but wcyd

[opaque steeple]

anyone able to tell me if "reduced channel cost" drops on all helms? or only exalted? havnt seen one

[alpine canopy]

On any sentinel helm, not just exalted. It is rare, though.

[turbid dome]

I wonder if we can ever get class specific affixes on not class specific gear

like the relics that are all class

[alpine canopy]

You cannot

[turbid dome]

yea

I was wondering if that will ever be a possibility

[astral crater]

got a pretty damn good 2 lp

i can barely get him below 80 with my ahh gear, hopefully I can slam my 2 lp ws well

i can't find any good double t7's

eh fair point, i'm using ekkidrasil for extra survivabhility

That might be the easy stuff though, getting both t7's on the ws is the toughest part

And i really dont want to brick the 2 lp as its also 0.5

[alpine canopy]

Ah, probably also no. Or if they let you craft them, it would lock it to that class anyway like legos

idk why they even have the generic relics, their implicits are almost entirely junk and it feels intentional

[opaque steeple]

thank you! i set it on my loot filter and started thinking i set it up wrong haha

[opaque steeple]

would that be "channel cost" under sentinal for loot filter?

[alpine canopy]

That sounds right 😁

[viral python]

Hey guys, I was hoping to get some advice. I really don't understand why most judgement paladins use transcriber graver sword. can someone pls explain thansk a lot

[opaque steeple]

not bad for my first one ive rolled XD

[gleaming pine]

no expert but from what i can see, the ele pen. then it being a sword can benefit from attack speed passive from sentinel tree, and can roll flat +spell damage. because its generator spender, the attack speed is the most important thing

[viral python]

i see thank you

[viral python]

hey guys I watched rax video on judgement paladin and I think he got the null portent description wrong, it says 1% damage res per 2% elemental res over cap. doesn't that mean i just need 40% in ANY element? not 40% EVERY element

[simple reef]

nope he is right and you are wrong

this should be clear enough

[alpine canopy]

Granted, probably not many people care about poison res, so you don't need to overcap that (or even cap it really, lol)

[forest kelp]

Two common causes of my death are, first poison and second fire damage, to the point where I had to slam a belt with cleanse instead of damage for my VK

[forest kelp]

Is there a way for my dumb Manifest Armor to follow the target I'm attacking?

[forest kelp]

4 times, im won

[astral crater]

can't you command it with a or smth

or is it way too stupid

[forest kelp]

I'm too lazy to command it

I don't really like using macros

[waxen nymph]

There is a move command minion key

[astral crater]

why is shade of orobyss throwing a damn hollow purple at me

[forest kelp]

used rune of chaos 4 times, cant find % health :((

[waxen nymph]

Well, aren't you trying to kill it?

Feels like self defense to me

[astral crater]

Fair point

[ruby tulip]

I'm using an auto bomber type devouring orb VK, at level 90, when's the right time to switch to ES?

[waxen nymph]

It kinda depends on how strong you want it to be from the get go

Its a viable option even without gear

But then you probably want World Splitter

[forest kelp]

I'm looking at how to use Google Sheets to create a crit calculation table for myself 🫡

19% base crit and 406% increased, so far after swap helmet

[ruby tulip]

I got a 1LP World Splitter, just looking for a T7 Void Melee Damage to slam on it. Any other gear I should be looking for? My orobyss rings are at... + Void damage%. My Harton anchor is waiting. Ah, I don't have enough + strength gear (since my current gear are all speccd for +vit)

[astral crater]

Titan heart is amazing for estrike especially if you get +4 to estrike and mana on it with 2 lp

Tho either at t7 is fine by itself I think

Well if you use ws that is

[astral crater]

Please nemesis stop bricking my stuff 4 nihilises in a row completely bricked I just want 1 lp for now

[waxen nymph]

96,14

[chilly peak]

4 bricks is quite what you need to expect, if you are MG even a few more 😦

Crossing fingers for the next try.

If you have my luck, then all good rolls will brick and you will get LP on the very medium rolled ones 🙂

[wooden mountain]

I know that intellectually having 100% crit and 95% crit are different and the DPS difference is real but really anything above 95% feels like 100%

[waxen nymph]

I wouldn't know, I only play Hit with Singularity

[forest kelp]

No, I've already reached +100%

[waxen nymph]

19% Flat and 406% gives 96.14%'Crit

[forest kelp]

Something wrong in my sheet just 77

[waxen nymph]

Ah! You said 406 increased

So I did 406/100>+1

[ruby tulip]

I've got a titan heart with a +4 Erasing Strike just waiting to be equipped.

[waxen nymph]

Ah I see, you meant "already added" not "reached"

[ruby tulip]

Oh, what's the trick for this btw? Just... Keep trying and trying and trying? I used to store 0 LP equipment so I can try to use them with nemesis, but I figure just farming 1LP is easier than storing 0LP. (Well, not including end game stuff of course. Harbinger gear, nihilis etc.)

[waxen nymph]

There is no trick

[ruby tulip]

So just farm a lot and keep trying. Got it. In that case, what's the idea with getting the Orobyss node in the Weaver Tree? you get it, and when you kill a shade of orobyss node, the map doesn't reset, the corruption doesn't go up?

[forest kelp]

Those two nodes are written very clearly, and you don’t necessarily have to add them when they’re not needed. The process of respec points and adding them again happens very quickly

[ruby tulip]

i was asking if I understood it correctly, but thanks Kuden.

[civic knot]

guys which one would be better? for a warpath build

[turbid dome]

Parry chance is great because warpath with that as it already gets a good amount of parry

Personally I would keep rolling them until I get one with flat melee void damage

But between the two the parry chance one as it makes up for less flat damage with big defense

[chilly peak]

Just to throw that in: For now an Apathys Maw with a t7 melee crit slam would probably outperform both of that needles by a lot.
For the needle I would aim for melee attack speed and melee void damage

[turbid dome]

Yea

[chilly peak]

Needle is probably the chase item for WP VK, but it is insanely hard to get with a good roll. I go both ways, run as much Follys as I can, but also try to work towards a well roled 7/7 Axe, cause I can work towards the latter, while I just need rng on my side for the Needle, which may never happen in the worst case

[turbid dome]

One of the few points where MG 100% wins (assuming you have a lot of money)

Just buy a well rolled one for a kings ransom

[chilly peak]

True

But imagine how good it will taste if I get a nice one - after a medium 3 digit amount of Follys 😛

[turbid dome]

[chilly peak]

And if not, the Axe makes a great speedy setup with Darkstride, which can still decently do 1k+ stuff 🤷‍♂️

[turbid dome]

Plus apathy’s doesn’t need to spend a ring slot on siphon for doom chance

Just ez double red ring it

[chilly peak]

I'm currently on Siphon for Leech and Flames for dmg - not yet very deep into the build. You say looking at Red Rings is worth and the leech from passives enough?

[chilly peak]

Quick poll: How much mana to start with a second point into Warriors Fury, fellow travellers?

[forest kelp]

Does the shield-bearer node of the skill manifest armor affect block chance and block effectiveness? What about all resistances?

[pseudo parcel]

[waxen nymph]

Iwant to say yes to all

[forest kelp]

Health gain on block too?

[waxen nymph]

I feel like this is pretty simple stats

[steep egret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owe7md5Q

my build; still upgrading things. does 700c comfortably.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (17) / Forge Guard (57) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,371, Regen: 58.71/s
▸ Mana: 302.49, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 140 Str / 14 Dex / 14 Int / 19 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 140% / 73% / 108% / 115% / 115% / 91% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 875
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (78)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (9,820)
▸ Block Chance: 66%, Mitigation: 72% (5,224)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 2%

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Ring Of Shields / Shield Bash / Devouring Orb / Symbols of Hope

[astral crater]

I mean i can reroll base starts using the bricked ones most of the time

[marsh belfry]

If I wanted to farm titan hearts and suloron / darkstride should I just take boot prophecies and rune chest pieces or also take unique chestpiece prophecies

caus If I look online Titan heart is like 1/14

I have 1k and I dont really need red ring

[forest kelp]

Is there any limit to swap mastery?

[waxen nymph]

Your golds

Which I assume for you is not an issue

[turbid dome]

It’s rarer to get lp with those runes

Tho you could dump them into nemesis

[pine egret]

Anyone else not getting block chance converted to parry with Clotho's Needle? Or the conversation, if it happens, at least not showing up in the stats page

[turbid dome]

Sanity check are you using a shield with the needle (using the fg node)

If not then it probably just doesn’t update on the character page?

The character page lies a lot

[waxen nymph]

Real question
Would you rather have 100% Block chance with 60% Block Effect or 75% Parry Chance ?

[turbid dome]

🤔

The block cause it’s consistent

[forest kelp]

I like 100% block with 75% drop damage

[turbid dome]

[astral crater]

dear god how much mana does estrike need

i'm at 1.1k and i still run out at times

[marsh belfry]

how much points do u have in timeloop

how much mana do you have and do u have some atack speed affix somwhere that u might not really need yet

[halcyon granite]

1 for maps 2 for bossing around 1.7k mana

[marsh belfry]

Not me Goblin

[steep egret]

any way to increase attack speed of shield bash?

[waxen nymph]

Only the node inside the tree

[steep egret]

ah thank you

[astral crater]

2 in time loop and 1.1k mana

[marsh belfry]

U could lower it to 1 and see how that plays out

Maybe its alot smoother \

[astral crater]

how much does that decrease the dps tho, cause i'm trying to set up for my first abby kill

uber abby*

[marsh belfry]

it might decrease your dps but easier to refill your mana in time

Id say test it maybe its better sustained dmg and leech\

Caus if you run out of mana and the refill isnt of cooldown u dont leech either\

[astral crater]

yea

[marsh belfry]

gl! and gn

[astral crater]

well i got 54% attack speed total just for the gloves so that might be the issue

yea only one point works out so much better and doesn't seem like dps got decreased TOO much

[civic pier]

anyone know if healing hand's, unbroken prayer passive (turns it into a channel) works with Cleric's hammer (melee hits trigger healing hands)

[waxen nymph]

If you turn HH into a channeled melee attack, you get 1 procc of HH per channel of HH with Cleric Hammer

[pine egret]

No shield or course 😄 Is that even possible considering the Needle is a 2-Handed?

[turbid dome]

forge guard has a node to use a 2hander + shield

[civic pier]

so it means there is no difference? cause 1 hit of the melee that triggers the healing hand, only gets 1 proc of the channel?

[pine egret]

Oh I did not know that - Never looked much into the FG tree. Thanks for letting me know - Im VK though ☺️

[waxen nymph]

I am not sure I understand what you mean

When you use a channeled skill you get one procc per use, so as long as you dont release and break the channel you cannot procc it another time

[halcyon granite]

1100 mana is low tho i think better low dps until get mana up

[civic pier]

ahh i see, thanks

[astral crater]

Guh

[astral crater]

Btw is it worth selling my only 2 lp ws? Im incredibly broke

can't find or buy anything worth slamming onto it yet

[halcyon granite]

ohh thats why only 1.1k mana

[astral crater]

Wait you put mana on the ws? I thought i needed crit multiplier and melee void damage on it

[halcyon granite]

nono ofc crit mult + void dmg or att speed + void dmg for maps... i said bc youre mg enjoyer

[astral crater]

ah yea

should i swap to cof to grind for it?

[halcyon granite]

depends what is the goal you have in the game.. if its minmax then cof if not then stay mg but this build 1lp gear is pretty easy to do on mg, imagine on cof

[astral crater]

Well then imma sell my ws and get myself some better gear and then go into co

cof

[halcyon granite]

cant wear mg gear while on cof

[astral crater]

💔

oh be so fr half of my good gear is mg

[cursive compass]

Between sword catcher and clotho needle

Which is best for VK??

Clotho needle also converts all block to parry chance

Sword catcher has flat +6 skills

And up to 13% parry chance

[astral crater]

welp selling my 2lp ws, its a 0.5 too

nvm i'm not joining cof yet, reseting the favor is way too much of a price rn

[forest kelp]

You can create another character and play both faction; lvling is now very fast

[cursive compass]

if you use clotho needle with block chance converted to parry

do you benefit from forge guard block ring of shield proc?

[forest kelp]

I'm not sure about creating a new character and joining MG to maintain favor and faction rank for you, then switching the faction of the old character

[forest kelp]

At that time, no block change on you

And that passive only activates when you block damage

[alpine canopy]

You can't block unless you find some way to get block chance back (which I don't think exists on FG)

[paper forum]

I got some bad luck as a judgment paladin with this relic, where do I reroll this piece? internet said woven something or the other :/

[astral crater]

fair point i guess

[paper forum]

Also, which shield would you use as a judgment paladin? I like the one I have now 😮

[astral crater]

dear god i swear i can do uberroth but the rubberbanding screws me over a ton

[dense tendon]

can you get glancing blow chance on fg

[gleaming pine]

you can only reroll the values within their tiers, so you can improve that +1 jav16% dmg to +1 jav17% dmg, but you can't make it something else (numbers in theory, you woudn't actually do this yet). you first need to use up all of the weavers will (14), which you can do by using a few rune of weaving, or by using the item and wait for to level up (not recommended)

[dense tendon]

well doesnt seem like you can equip corsair set anyway
you cant block with clotho's on as sentinel (as far as i can tell)

[paper forum]

Aw, thanks spicorr. Hate those affixes

Maybe I keep for javelin build

[gleaming pine]

yeah so its just pure luck on those, just try again. but you keep the failed ones coz they may come in handy for the next step (rerolling a really good item you found to make it better)

keep anything that rolled 18+ weavers even if its trash

i think recommended shield for judgement is majasa one

[paper forum]

Last question for the night, should I use soulfire instead as a judgement paladin?

40% chance to ignite, ignite damage is 276, fire dmg is 443% with fire dmg pen being 44%

[astral crater]

1000 - 7 is 993

[gleaming pine]

a 1lp soulfire with nothing slammed in it isn't doing that much for you compared to the code. if it had +4 judgement in it, would be different story. but you probably wouldnt waste a +4 judgement exalt on that

[astral crater]

993 - 7 is 986

[paper forum]

ty

[alpine canopy]

This was the only thing I could think of to get block chance back after converting, too, and the helm is rogue only, so not available.
Technically speaking, you can block with Clotho's on FG by equipping any shield, since that disables the block conversion.

[astral crater]

dude i can get abby to about 60% almost every time but then i just get overwhelmed with the void puddles and frality stacks, i gotta get the belt that clears it

2.7 hp and 0 crit resistance might not be the best

[dense tendon]

damn they just slapped on "while not wielding a shield" on clotho's huh

[turbid dome]

yup

[forest kelp]

[astral crater]

What should i be looking for in a shattered worlds in terms of base stats?

[turbid dome]

Frenzy is ok

all stats is pretty good

Flat crit is amazing or useless based on if your crit capped already (also amazing if it lets you drop other crit chance and stay capped)

Damage reduction is amazing

[astral crater]

aight thanks im gonna buy one now

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget capitalism!

[astral crater]

True... just sold my 2 lp ws cause i was too broke and too unlucky to afford any decent things to slam on it

[turbid dome]

Oof

[astral crater]

wait whats the max crit chance before capping?

[astral crater]

ok so sorry but last question, whats more important: 1% extra of crit or a few percent of damage reduction

eh abby one shots me with the main attacks either way so crit is the way to go ig

[forest kelp]

If you sold it at a high price, that's not bad at all

[astral crater]

sold what?

[forest kelp]

WS

[astral crater]

Yea i sold it for max amount possible, 1.5 bil (1.75 bil paid by someone)

[turbid dome]

If your meaning his flail slam thing, yeah your meant to dodge that

[forest kelp]

I don't farm uber much, but I got 4 WS 2lp in 2 months, so it's not that rare unless you have an extremely good roll

[astral crater]

i get one shot by triple flail, the single flail slam, the slam where there is burning ground in front of him

the rest i can usually tank

unless i forget to watch my frality stacks and stop leeching hp

[turbid dome]

I always like having a belt with the cleanse aliments on potion chugg affix

Makes those annoying stacks go away

[alpine canopy]

Technically, there is no cap. But most builds get no benefit from going above 100%, so that is commonly referred to as the crit cap.

[astral crater]

It was worth it I took my dps from 700k tops I think to 1.1 mil

i think playing vk gave me brain damage i went to the temporal sanctrum, beat the boss, and left without slamming mana on my shattered worlds

Tho i guess that was for the best as it was 118 and now 120 mana

[astral crater]

I'm cooked

[simple reef]

but you're CoF

right?

MG doesn't drop shit

it's like 6 times less boss drops (and im being kind here) so 4 WS on CoF is basically none on MG

[astral crater]

yeah fr i've done an actual insane amount of black sun timeline harbingers and only 1 2lp

i've had like maybe 70 collapsing horizons and i dont even know how many the usual way

and got almost nothing

[forest kelp]

My memories of MG are quite distant; those were the times of gold bug waves, and I farmed for over a week and traded, but couldn’t buy the items I wanted to equip my FG character

[karmic moon]

Can somebody explain to me why Transcriber's Graver is so popular for Judgement builds? It seems like a decent wand or scepter with 3x the base spell damage would be vastly superior to the 24% elemental penetration you can get from this thing, no?

[waxen nymph]

It's all about attack speed

1. Its a sword with very fast attack rate
2. It's a sword so you can slam attack speed on it
3. It's a relevant Spell text on it > Ele pen and Flat spell

More attack speed means more Vengeance for more mana so more judgement for more dmg

[karmic moon]

Can't you also slam extra attack speed and + spell damage on scepters? Graver has like 20% extra attack speed, granted, but I'm still not seeing how that + penetration makes up for half the base damage

less than half even

[waxen nymph]

You don't need the Flat Dmg from the sceptre because you already have so much
Immolator Oblation belt and also the most important you get Flat Spell per Healing Effectiveness

And since HE also gives Fire Pen you really want to stack it

[karmic moon]

ah okay I see, so after factoring in +spell from other sources (IE: oblation belt) that lowered base spell damage from the graver is a small enough proportion of the total base damage that the 24% penetration and attack speed end up making up for it?

[waxen nymph]

Big time

[karmic moon]

cool, thanks for explaining

[waxen nymph]

Also more as means more Conc Ground at the same time

If you get 33% more Grounds but they are like 10% less strong

You still deal more dmg overall

These are imaginary numbers

Just to give an exemple

[karmic moon]

Oh weird, I'm also seeing that wands and scepters actually can't roll flat spell damage, only +%, while swords can roll extra flat spell damage. I guess that also closes the gap significantly.

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, that would be because Wand and Sceptre already comes with a good chunk of it

[karmic moon]

I'll see you in 2037 when I finally get T7 attack speed and +spell damage on an LP2 Graver 😭

[waxen nymph]

Sword having Flat Spell is imo for the Spellblade fantasy

Btw the Flat Spell affix on sword is called "Spellblade"

[karmic moon]

This seems close to slam ready. Not sure if I should spend my remaining FP trying to havoc the T7 off of minion damage and onto one of the speed/damage mods, pump fire penetration so it has a higher chance of being usable if the slam misses, call it quites and "rune of creation" it early, or something else that I'm not seeing... hmmmm

I guess if I pumped fire penetration more I could even just use it as is without slamming into a Graver at all since it's got mostly the same stats, lol

[waxen nymph]

Hard choice here

I personally would try Havoc

Not sure if it's the best

But it clearly has the highest pay off if it lands

T7 AS would be pog champ

[karmic moon]

Oooh, this other one is perhaps even more promising. I think should just mirror it as is and try to slam twice, yeah? Trying to havoc swap the T7 from spell to attack speed is an option, but it's got a crazy low chance of hitting right and leaving enough FP to mirror it.

[waxen nymph]

First one is better if you get Fire pen

[karmic moon]

Well, these are probably going into an LP2 graver since I don't have an LP3 yet. Should I wait for an LP3 you think, just to improve the odds?

[chilly peak]

Iirc 7 attack speed and 5 spell dmg was better for me then 6/6

But really not a pro here, just tested the build very short

[karmic moon]

attack speed + spell damage + fire penetration would be oustanding

ooof, tried to havoc the first one but it used all the FP and left me with T6 speed and T1 spell damage. RIP

[waxen nymph]

Oof

[karmic moon]

cloned the 2nd one for now and will try slamming when I get some more gravers. Maybe if I'm lucky my imprint will drop more good candidates by the time I get an LP3

but with two attempts I have a 56% chance of getting something usable on a T2 here unless I'm mistaken.

[wooden mountain]

is this for multistrike-smite?

oh judgement?

[chilly peak]

They were speaking about Judgement

[wooden mountain]

right

[waxen nymph]

Side note @karmic moon
You are absolutely correct for Judgement Aura
Where you want 1 "Aura" (it's just a Conc Ground following you) but the strongest Aura possible

Since you can have only one

[forest kelp]

Look at the picture and guess the weapon 👌

[dense tendon]

brb tiger is on fire

[waxen nymph]

Bhuldar Wrath

[wooden mountain]

unspecced EQ has what 600% damage effectiveness and a few aftershocks. Is that worth it?

[forest kelp]

I’m just testing it with 32str and 350+ shred, but forgemaster’s might is too damn awesome

[waxen nymph]

2 handers look too small imo

Like the hammer head is quite small

[forest kelp]

Yup, very small

[waxen nymph]

Bardiche looks ok

But for exemple Apathy Maw

Looks ridiculous

[wooden mountain]

they look small by videogame standards I guess

but generally speaking videogame 2h axes/mauls/polearms have shafts that are too short and heads that are too big

[cursive compass]

why most rive VKs are dead compared to time rot VKs

I wont die

[maiden rivet]

Does Hammer's Disintegrating Aura work like a stacking debuff? It's not the same as time rot?

[waxen nymph]

Its completely different

Its a AoE around your hammers

That deals Void Throw Damage over Time

[frigid zenith]

does it stack with multiple hammers?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[scenic gyro]

@waxen nymph got aberoth down with phy warpath, made some adjustments, its quite fun

[forest kelp]

thinking about void shield throw with the idol convert🫡

[wooden mountain]

void cleave & hammer auras are just much much worse than time rot in this patch

afaict

[dense tendon]

what would void cleave add to this void dot hammer build

[wooden mountain]

voidfused throw 5/5 +100 void throwing damage to next throwing attack after void cleave

but I was actually referring to void cleave's ravaging aura which does void spell DOT damage around you after you hit something with void cleave as another scalable void DOT subskill that VK might be interested in, both of them seem basically inferior to time rot rn

[maiden rivet]

How is the Devouring Sphere played? Like is it a set and forget bomb

[waxen nymph]

Mine ?

[forest kelp]

damn it, only 11 pen

[wooden mountain]

It's mostly used with the mode where it orbits you and autocasts while you move, chiefly for the void essences, void shred & global void damage buffs on the top right of the tree

[scenic gyro]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bg87LGdo

thats my current char, not sure how your build looks
using forge strike and warslash for single target
my gear is absolutely horrible but it was enough for aberoth

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (20) / Forge Guard (53) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,226, Regen: 158.3/s
▸ Mana: 144.63, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 49 Str / 6 Dex / 6 Int / 6 Att / 37 Vit
▸ Resistances: 97% / 30% / 30% / 129% / 85% / 95% / 120%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 765
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,044)

Used skills:

Warpath / Lunge / Symbols of Hope / Forge Strike / Healing Hands

[cursive compass]

VK is only weak to poison and necrotic enemies right?

From all the damage reduction modifiers, those are the least reduced

[turbid dome]

Kinda

Tho you basically get capped poison and necrotic res for free

[cursive compass]

Also what are frenzy sources for vk

Apart of shattered world and experimental

And apart of Volatile Reversal

Tried the swordcatcher build but without the frenzy effect uptime from a nihilis or what I mentioned, it’s meme

[marsh belfry]

What a satisfying number

[simple reef]

what's so special about 31?

[shadow kelp]

rive is such a boring skill

[forest kelp]

Is there anything that converts javelin damage to void damage?

[alpine canopy]

No. But having flat melee void on your spear does add void damage to jav.

[shadow kelp]

forgemaster is the best?

[dense tendon]

best at what

[pseudo parcel]

mastering the forge

[cursive compass]

THICC VIGOR

isnt vk the only mastery u can reach like 12k life

[turbid dome]

Vk can reach like 15k life and still be a viable build damage wise

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqyWjwYQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (90)

General:

▸ Health: 14,996, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 156.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 28 Dex / 28 Int / 28 Att / 154 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 66% / 111% / 142% / 116% / 216% / 190%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 4,731
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (152)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,936)

Used skills:

Rive

[turbid dome]

443 flat melee void on rive before considering the foe cleaver node

[cursive compass]

GIGA HARDCORE VIABLE

[turbid dome]

just gotta farm up the totally reasonable all max roll gear

[cursive compass]

My main issue with being melee and not using foot of the mountain is that I usually melee while moving for devo orbs

[marsh belfry]

Any reason why Vitality isnt part of the swapable stats 😭

[simple reef]

there are reasons yeah

the main reason for swappable stats was to be able to get stats that normally cannot roll on class items (like strength on a mage piece)

vitality is always available for any class

[marsh belfry]

ah i see

[forest kelp]

3lp? 🙏

[simple reef]

only 3?

[forest kelp]

Only 3

And 3lp but in other item

[forest kelp]

After swap to a 3x7 ring, I gained an additional 1.6k armor and no longer fear the electric shocks from Nemesis

[cursive compass]

volatile reversal is not so bad after all

the frenzy proc is good for swordcatcher

kinda funny foe cleaver doesnt double up the +6 skills from sword catcher

it should imho

my most confident secure opinion

[waxen nymph]

Thats because you clearly cant read 😄

[cursive compass]

This also doesn’t include attack speed right? Just flat damage

[waxen nymph]

Does Attack Speed add dmg, increase dmg or add a chance to apply ailment ?

Spoiler : no

[cursive compass]

Ty

[warped night]

I used VR frenzy until I realized I could just get frenzy from void cleave traversal with the experimental frenzy on boots

and the boots affix is buffing the frenzy too

[cursive compass]

Sorry it’s that the wording is literally

And my question was yeah silly

[waxen nymph]

I am teasing you

[slow plaza]

you can take the blessing, and swap between them at will so yeah its a fine choice until you get better gear @tardy marsh

[simple reef]

gz

just slam it

it'll probably fail anyway

and if it doesn't then the amulet probably doesnt have good rolls anyway so it'll have to be rerolled

at which point you might as well try to slam other ones

i mean if your nihilis actually has good rolls then wait for 77

if it's got bad rolls just slam it and if it bricks it'll be reroll fodder for the next one

[simple reef]

it's pretty average

i'd just slam the t6

[astral crater]

Got uberroth to half, i swear i am so close

[hexed wind]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJPVdN3o made a modified version of maxrolls judgment paladin. smite/multistrike with judgment aura damage over time. im not very good at this so if anyone knows a node gear or passive i should take to get my damage up i'd appreciate it

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 81

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (54)

General:

▸ Health: 1,683, Regen: 86.65/s
▸ Mana: 163.19, Regen: 9.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 37 Str / 11 Dex / 11 Int / 23 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 207% / 42% / 87% / 79% / 59% / 164% / 73%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 690
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (212)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,354)
▸ Block Chance: 60%, Mitigation: 48% (1,623)

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Smite / Judgement / Symbols of Hope / Multistrike

[turbid dome]

holy and its all postives

[forest kelp]

Building a void shield throw is giving me a headache with passives... there are too many great choices, and I don’t have enough points

[turbid dome]

[astral crater]

yummers

[forest kelp]

Will molten toss from shield throw still work if we use an idol that converts shield throw to void damage?

[unborn cypress]

What exalt did you imprint?

[waxen nymph]

Yes, it will work. It will give you more fire dmg

Imo Void is the "worst" element for ST

Fire is the best because of Molten Toss
Then Phys because you can use Armor Shred at full value

If you are going VK I would still go Phys

It can echo even phys

[pseudo parcel]

[forest kelp]

[waxen nymph]

Maybe I have missed smth

If only Lava Burst would convert to Void

🙏🙏

[orchid mirage]

is this better than 2x mana+hp idols?

for es vk

[forest kelp]

For damage maybe

[orchid mirage]

I got 4 of them nearly max, but i dont really feel the dmg

Shouldn;t it shyrocket from the flat melee dmg + the % melee dmg in synergy with shattered chains?

[forest kelp]

They will perform better if you already have a high amount of health and mana

[orchid mirage]

I'll test around on dummies, thx

[forest kelp]

If you notice, it's similar to the melee damage on weapon implicits; it applies to all skills with the melee tag

[hybrid dagger]

Guys can Item with sealed affix get duplicated by Lost Caches?

For example

[maiden rivet]

How does Fallen from Grace interact with Lagon Order for the Smite conversion? If I took both the convert Smite to Lightning and Void nodes?

[forest kelp]

Can

You can also imprint 3xt7 with one affixes being sealed if they are not all prefixes or suffixes

[forest kelp]

The gloves make me burn out my 592 mana 3 seconds faster, which sometimes causes me to stutter, but it so awesome that I still haven't found a replacement with both mana and shred

[wooden mountain]

the void conversion overwrites the electric conversion but you can get the electric bolts for multi-target

[waxen nymph]

Arent they converted to Void now ?

[scenic gyro]

@waxen nymph hows your uberoth going today

[waxen nymph]

80%+1%

[scenic gyro]

progress !

[waxen nymph]

I am starting to get into the rhythm

[scenic gyro]

yea thats great

[waxen nymph]

I am not sure my character is ready though

[scenic gyro]

its honestly just a skill check, even if you think you are not there yet, if you can get it to 80 youc an get it to 0

the biggest thing that helped me progress and make it more consistent is movement of the boss and knowing where you want to be in each phase, after figuring that out it was just muscle memory

[waxen nymph]

Too many balls...

[scenic gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-ball-ball-gif-12915413

[waxen nymph]

What a masterclass that movie

[scenic gyro]

the good old days

[forest kelp]

21/08

[scenic gyro]

hype

actual 4 months cadence

[pseudo parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/last-epoch-path-of-exile-login-logout-gif-13985223747091878972

[maiden rivet]

My Void Knight runs out of mana quickly. Any skills to recover mana? Trying to use Autocast Devouring Orb with 2 extra charges

[scenic gyro]

i think if you build enough mana, void well works pretty good

[pine egret]

Mana upkeep seems to be the biggest battle for the void knight

[dense tendon]

why would you go for the extra charges

[austere coral]

Shield Throw with Throwing Arm - if there's only me and 1 enemy, will shield keep ricocheting between us 2 until runs out of ricochets? Or will it only hit each of us once?

[pine egret]

I'm curious if anyone has made the Warrior's Fury node work with expanding size and increasing DMG at the cost of more mana?
Like how much mana and regen would be needed for it to actually last a decent amount of time

[dense tendon]

the meta version of warpath is warriors fury vk with void well yeah

[warped night]

don't have mana upkeep issues with rive 😉

[signal moss]

Hi folks. Healing hands not working with warpath is that a bug or by desing? lol

[astral crater]

@bold orbit

[bold orbit]

-% armor 🥀

[silent storm]

In the grand scheme of things it's not as bad as it could be but yeah could be better

[bold orbit]

it's time to farm nihilis for a lil bit

[astral crater]

Only 1% tho

[astral crater]

Not doing that till i get the vk up

[bold orbit]

true but 1% in games like these legit means the difference between being able to potion or not

[astral crater]

I need the most luck i got

Well i found a leonine in my stash

but it seems kinda eh, still t7 108 mana tho

[scenic gyro]

doesnt proc with channels, it only procs once when you start the skill

[maiden rivet]

I like filling the screen with projectiles

[forest kelp]

I saw many people adding 3 points to Possessed Nemesis, but I'm still not sure if it's good or not?

[strong ledge]

Are all builds viable in endgame?

[winter copper]

define viable

all can finish campaign

after that no

[strong ledge]

Thanks,
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/time-rot-void-knight-guide Is this build considered meta?

[astral crater]

Not sure but from the looks of it I think it should work well as long as you get the gear

[astral crater]

I mean technically you can kill regular abby with almost any build but for uber you'd really want something meta

[glad scaffold]

This is okay for mapping

There are better for that purpose tho

[winter copper]

yes heavy meta can do any content

[strong ledge]

thanks y'all!

[haughty canopy]

Should I ascend for paladrus?

[waxen nymph]

It pretty common

I would imprint it and sword prophecies

Should get one with lp in no time

[haughty canopy]

t7 melee atk speed?

lol

[forest kelp]

Does equipping a spear with affixes for % increased physical damage and flat melee physical damage also benefit from 50% conversion to throwing damage when using a Javelin?

[ashen hatch]

does % Damage over time work also for judgement paladin?

[pseudo parcel]

yes

[waxen nymph]

The 50% conversion is for the Flat Dmg only

%Inc Dmg is generic so it applies normally

[forest kelp]

Does shred armor work as well for throwing damage as it does for melee?

[simple reef]

armor shred works for any hit damage regardless of the type

the only difference you'll find is element

physical damage benefits more than other elements

[forest kelp]

Just sacrificed 7 WS 2lp, now looking for a dual T7 max roll

[simple reef]

gl

[thin schooner]

My Sentinel's corruption pushing is pretty nice

(I didn't even do that on purpose but I'm keeping it there)

[strong ledge]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/judgement-paladin-guide Is this build endgame viable? I'm looking for a chill build to play while i listen to podcast

[dense tendon]

it's viable and it's chill but it might be so chill that you fall asleep playing it

[simple reef]

slam mathematics and sims

probably +4 void cleave

but it'll just depend on your stats so 🤷‍♀️

[gilded venture]

hi im new at sentinel, currently playing VK warpath, can warpath defeat uberroth? :p

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[haughty canopy]

all about the addons lol

[forest kelp]

Erasing Strike with 140ms and 208as, I often use him to farm with rhythmic bonks to the beat of the music

[haughty canopy]

easier to start a pally for new season though

[forest kelp]

Sure, facetank everything

[haughty canopy]

gotta start somewhere lol

[warped night]

I vote for rive

[strong ledge]

I get a huge dopamine hit facetanking

[astral holly]

kinda fun upgrading these

[unborn cypress]

Ok what do I slam into this? For ES VK. T7 Mana and what else should I go for?

[forest kelp]

Deafening? mana and void cleave t7

[unborn cypress]

Yes

Oh I don't use Void Cleave in my build

It's ES, Anomaly, Devouring Orb, Symbols, and Healing Hands

[forest kelp]

If you use Void Cleave, you gain +4 levels; otherwise, 150% increased melee damage is also better than crit multiplier

[unborn cypress]

Really... I've been playing it all wrong 😦

[forest kelp]

It's not a mandatory choice; pick the affixes you like... if you don't like them anymore, we'll just find another SW 2lp

[strong ledge]

i've started completely ignoring mobs and just rushing bosses lol

[forest kelp]

On my run with Void Cleave, it's a pile of dead mobs

[strong ledge]

should i run monoliths that are higher than my level to xp farm?

[forest kelp]

Not much, look increased exp in info

[strong ledge]

kk

[hazy glacier]

don't talk my t7 mana/t7 critmulti bad! 😄

[forest kelp]

It’s still a great relic that can be used with many builds, just not optimized for a specific one

[hazy glacier]

police! he keeps doing it! 😄

😛

[chilly peak]

🚓

[chilly peak]

Ask me, would the same logic apply to VK WP?
I mean it is also a build that hasn't too much increases yet, would an inreased melee or void dmg here also be better as Crit Multi (as second affix)

[forest kelp]

It depends on your build, but it’s an easy choice if you have a high crit change

Warpath has many variants, but if I had to choose, increased damage while channeling is applies to all of them

[chilly peak]

I have no clue about ES builds tbh. Just assumed there is some similarity, cause of the mana stacking

Yeah WP comes with capped crit for me in this case

[forest kelp]

If you combine it with Smite, "increased damage while channeling" also applies to it and to damage over time as well

[chilly peak]

No, just WP and Echoes, but yeah, I know the dmg while channelling scaling from previous fire WP builds

So the first question for me was just the general one: Can increases here compete with multiplier, as the mana stackers don't have as much increases as other classes.

At least that was why I assumed that this is why you suggested an increased over multiplier for ES

[forest kelp]

Except for some builds with nodes that apply to crit multiplier, you only seek it out when other affixes are already abundant, as the damage it provides will be lower due to diminishing returns

[waxen nymph]

Inc Dmg while Channeling is not Inc Dmg for Channeling skills

It's a global Inc dmg

While you channel, everything you do has Inc Dmg

[chilly peak]

Yes I know. Still it does the same job for some builds, right

[waxen nymph]

Oh sorry, I guess I misunderstood your sentence

[forest kelp]

It’s like when you apply 44 stacks of shred armor, you gain an additional 60% more damage, but with 88 stacks, you only get 75%. When something is too abundant, it diminishes, so people often build to increase damage from multiple sources

[chilly peak]

All good. Let's try to sort it out.
I do Melee-Void-Dmg on my WP VK, plus Echoes ofc. In my understanding it does not make a difference (at least not much of a difference) if you now choose "Increased Melee", "Increased Void" or "Increased while Channelling"

That's why I was speaking of "Increased" (whatever) vs. "Crit Multiplier". If that makes sense to you 😄

I know that subskills like Smite are buffed by "Increased while Channeling", but if you are straight a melee, it does not make a difference to me

Btw, is proccing Smites as VK WP a thing? Never seen that and only know that one from Fire WP builds

[forest kelp]

There is a node for Smite on the VK tree

[waxen nymph]

Pretty sure that's what Skyqula did this season

And was cruising 1k+

[chilly peak]

I know that one, but I'm unsure which Skill you could even drop from a standard VK-WP.

I mean 1k is pretty comfortable for that build anyway. Iirc we went straight through to 1k-something after going to empowered very early 🙂

[waxen nymph]

Iirc they were using Anomaly Time Wave for clear 😅

[chilly peak]

Usually I watch at a few builds for some inspiration and then start on my own, and can't remember only one using Smite on VK, that's why I'm a little surprised.

[forest kelp]

I'm planning to build a VK Javelin but realized it only uses physical damage and can't utilize Void Cleave with a spear

[waxen nymph]

I saw
Smite Fissure vk
Multi-Smite vk
Warpath Smite

Pretty sure Hammer Smite is still a thing

[chilly peak]

If we are speaking about Pally doing WP and Hammer Smite, that is common ground for me. But never seen as VK yet.
Sounds nice tho. More Sentinel stuff to explore in the future 😄

[waxen nymph]

No, no, talking about vk

[chilly peak]

Yeah, nice. Only seen direct smite casters there

[hazy glacier]

I have a pala wp smiter, it is kinda fun, but vk goes harder

[chilly peak]

Yeah I'm still surprised you don't come along this build more often, it falls off quite strong after 1k, but until then it is really nice

And I believe strongly that still most players play below 1k ^^

[forest kelp]

If don't use a shield, no one builds Javelin for FG, but if you do build with a shield, the damage is terrible🫡

[hazy glacier]

any chance a vk autobomber who farms 2k+ is present?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9WZDwPo
not sure where to go from here, tried to go 2lp nihilis and shattered worlds, but both my 1lp are very close to max rolled, doubt I will find anything comparable with 2lp.
thought about getting experimental frenzy on boots instead of vita, but too chicken to try it since I haven't found any comparable boots

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (85) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,660, Regen: 140.4/s
▸ Mana: 200.49, Regen: 15.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 78 Str / 18 Dex / 18 Int / 23 Att / 62 Vit
▸ Resistances: 122% / 98% / 98% / 78% / 102% / 116% / 116%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 891
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (178)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,252)
▸ Block Chance: 106%, Mitigation: 55% (2,484)

Used skills:

Hammer Throw / Anomaly / Devouring Orb / Volatile Reversal / Abyssal Echoes

[leaden yoke]

is there another farming method that beat Folly/Cemetery/Trove combo?

[forest kelp]

https://youtu.be/qYyn2QmdvTU?si=G6IBd0gIi3TYfN9G

Those are choices for farming needs; your combo isn't optimized

[little lodge]

I'm preparing for attempting uberroth as an ESVK, mostly following the Maxroll guide. As a newcomer to LE, I want to overgear a little bit to make my life easier, and I have a couple questions about gear choices:

1. I have a few 2LP Sulorons lying around. What do I slam in addition to T7 movespeed? I was thinking T6/T7 hybrid HP, but I also saw some builds with vitality.
2. How mandatory is ailment cleanse on the belt? Wondering if I should be prioritizing getting 2LP chains, or this is more of a luxury item.

[proper holly]

Question about manifest armor:
If there is 100% minion damage on gloves for example.
The armor should benefits from the stats once like every other minion.
Does it benefit twice with the manifest armor passive ? And then an other 240% from skill tree?
In one case it is 100% increase and the other 440%.

I think it is only 100% because it should apply to manifest armor's minion but I am not sure.

[viscid widget]

Ailment cleanse can come from any source as long as you have one.

[waxen nymph]

It's only 100%
If MA could summon minions they would benefit from 240%'Inc Dmg

[flint inlet]

@little lodge if you are learning the fight use darkstrides

[little lodge]

Thanks! I’m using them for mapping already, so that’s going to be easy. Same question remains - hybrid hp or vitality alongside movespeed?

[flint inlet]

T7 movespeed is a must...I dunno about other

personally I use vitality...and cleanse belt...but UA is more about learning the fight than small things here and there

[forest kelp]

Cleanse is just to kill him faster; in some phases, dealing damage quickly also makes killing Uberroth easier. If you have 10 stacks of frailty from him, killing him will truly be a skill issue

[warped night]

it also helps cleanse the immobilize from the roots if you end up being hit by them

[dense tendon]

the guy that made this video made another one saying reweaving is better than shrine temple
for what it's worth i dont think it's a massive improvement but still

[forest kelp]

My combo is still Folly+Cemetery+4 Troves; I only use them for farming with a few friends, and it’s multi-purpose

[dense tendon]

well why did you link the false temple video then

[forest kelp]

It's just a basic guide on choices

[forest kelp]

Troves are only good when you play co-op; if you play solo, they’re really bad

[scenic gyro]

says who

[flint inlet]

how else are you supposed to proc the imprint besides trove?

trove may be bad for memory ember but has lots of caches to proc imprint...unless I read that node wrong

[forest kelp]

If you play co-op, Troves can help you trigger imprints more often; if you play solo, it’s really bad

[flint inlet]

but even if you don't play coop...what is the option for imprint?

[forest kelp]

I’ll run normal echo and use a different imprint slot; Troves are expensive

[flint inlet]

how does coop help with trove imprint slot? is it just that you have more troves/ember?

[forest kelp]

Having more amber is obvious, but what’s important is that when one person in the party activates the imprint mechanism, the others also get to share it

The most obvious thing is that when you drop woven echoes, everyone in the party gets them too

[dense tendon]

are you saying that each guy can open every trove seperately

[forest kelp]

When someone opens lost caches and you’re there, if they activate the imprint mechanism, you get to share it too

[dense tendon]

why does that matter

just click the trove yourself?

[flint inlet]

I see...so each trove is potentially 4 imprint procs rather than 1

[forest kelp]

It’s just a matter of cost and efficiency

[flint inlet]

is that why some folks say imprints are broken...considering I haven't had an exact proc for a month now!

and I do umclaimed trove quite often but never in a group

so it's good only in group

[harsh pike]

Most people play solo. I think the imprint proc rate could be buffed for solo. That said, I hit most of my double t7 slams playing solo including immortal vise and shattered worlds.

Can’t really expect to compete with group players

[forest kelp]

i need axe T_T

[dire lantern]

Anyone have or can send me a Link to a good Sentinel Loot Filter? Currently playing channeling Healing Hands and would appreciate it if anyone has one or something. Thank you.

[bleak roost]

I heard there was a bleed javelin build that can do high-ish corruption. Is there a planner anywhere?

[waxen nymph]

Except from dred talking about it, I havent seen it

But I imagine it very similar to Bleed Hammer

You just take Sierpin to do Siege Barrage + Split

[bleak roost]

You're always everywhere helping me haha
Thanks, I'll see how I can set it up

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-inevitable-marvel-avengers-endgame-gif-14599588

[bleak roost]

I asked in his server, he replied that he'll upload the build video in the future

[slow plaza]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owe6x7MQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (52) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,798, Regen: 81.06/s
▸ Mana: 97.48, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 37 Str / 37 Dex / 28 Int / 0 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 76% / 72% / 46% / 103% / 39% / 8%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 710
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (207)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,226)
▸ Block Chance: 47%, Mitigation: 41% (1,276)

Used skills:

Abyssal Echoes / Javelin / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Smite

[slow plaza]

this is what I ended up with at the end of the run

its not min maxed, its just what I ended the character with

its an ingame snapshot of when I was done

I swapped to a Sierpins with t7 bleed chance for clear, and I used the 2h axe for single target

[waxen nymph]

Time and Faith??
Did you forget to respec it?

[dense tendon]

why is healing hands in

[viscid widget]

Healing hands is the traversal skill

[placid gust]

Hello there

I have some doubts regarding Blade of Darkness for Vengeance

Anything I have that increases PHYSICAL damage will be ignored for Vengeance, right?

But everything I have that increases BLEED chance will still be useful but for TIME ROT instead, right?

[gleaming pine]

can you use harby weapon as an imprint?

[turbid dome]

the base damage of your weapon does, If you have +melee physical damage from somewhere, that wont convert and will still scale with physical damage stuff

all sources of bleed chance will convert to timerot chance, other bleed stats (like more damage with bleed, physical pen with bleed, etc.) will not convert

[haughty canopy]

just received the best gift from a nemesia... t7 void pen on a dreamthorn

lol

but its on the low range... 35% pen

but with the base 40& comes to 75% void pen

does foe cleaver double that?

[turbid dome]

foe cleaver is just added flat damage, increased damage and aliment chance

[haughty canopy]

i see

[forest kelp]

so sad

[forest kelp]

Missed T6 physical damage, today is another unlucky day

[forest kelp]

Only the Void Bolt created from the Terminal Void Bolt node will be replaced, while the Incipient Void Bolt will not when we have the Hollow Cascade node, right?

[placid gust]

Wait, so do you mean that the base damage of the weapon still counts for void but anything that says to add melee physical (like passives and affixes) will just be lost?

[waxen nymph]

Sound about right

[alpine canopy]

No, if you get added melee physical, then you end up doing void damage and a little phys damage. Increases to phys apply to that little phys part.

[placid gust]

But since the skill won't have the Physical tag anymore, it won't scale

The weapon base damage will get scaling

But with the damage from the skill being now Void, I guess it isn't worth it to level anything that raises Phys?

[placid gust]

is there any synergy between Time Rot, Void Essence and Void Rift?

[forest kelp]

It looks nice, but I don’t know if it’s a good choice for my Javelin build

[turbid dome]

Ok let’s say that based on all your stats/gear/passives/etc. you end up with

• Using a skill with the Void, Melee and Strength tags
• 80 flat void damage
• 10 flat physical damage

Generic increased/more damage, such as a skill tree node that just says do 10% more damage with this skill, affects both the void and physical damage. The increased damage from strength is generic.

Anything that increases/grants more void damage will only affect the void damage

Anything that increases/grants more melee damage will affect both the void and physical damage

Anything that increases grants more physical damage only affects the physical damage

In general, yeah it’s the best to focus on a single damage type

also more generic affixes like %increased melee damage tend to have smaller numbers than more specific affixes like %increased void damage

[hidden nebula]

does the node fresh from the forge penetrait the bleed from forge strike or just the initial hit?

[waxen nymph]

Fresh From the Forge ?

[hidden nebula]

on the forgeguard tree

[waxen nymph]

Oh the passive

[hidden nebula]

sorry yes

[waxen nymph]

No worries

With how its worded it should apply to Bleed too

[hidden nebula]

great thanks man

[waxen nymph]

It doesnt mention Hits anywhere

[hidden nebula]

coll ty

cool

[hallow herald]

Anyone playing FG shieldbash?

[winter copper]

Only noobs still play sent

[strong ledge]

As a noob I can confirm.

[karmic moon]

If I use Cleric's hammer to trigger healing hands on melee hit, it says it casts it "around the target". If I also pick the "Homeward" node to make all heals that don't target an ally center around me instead, will these indirect casts from Cleric's hammer be cast around me instead of the target I hit?

I can't visually see where it's happening, so I'm not sure when I try to test it

[forest kelp]

I farmed for two months and got over 700m gold, not sure what to do with it. Just tried burning 200m in Lightless Arbor, and the result wasn’t bad—got a total of 2000+ Havoc and Redemption runes combined

[waxen nymph]

It should be around you, but since it was around your Melee target there isn't a huge difference anyway

[forest kelp]

Now I don’t have to hunt for runes until I burn through them all. By then, I’ll probably have earned over 200m gold again

[karmic moon]

2000 havoc runes!? Damn I should try that

I'm in SAF though, so 700m gold is a lot...

[forest kelp]

Havoc+Redemption

Thanks to the lizards, I can farm 100m gold per week with CoF. Many diligent guys can even put up more Nemesis items on the market

[unborn cypress]

How do lizards translate to gold in CoF?

[forest kelp]

There are a few nodes in the Weaver tree that spawn more lizards and the items they carry

[forest kelp]

When I converted my dodge rating into armor and wore mountain boots, they got stolen and converted into endurance threshold

[wooden mountain]

are you losing or gaining EHP from that though? endurance is pretty strong

[forest kelp]

Probably lost more since my armor was already pretty high

[cursive compass]

Can a Duel Wield Rive setup do more damage than a Two-handed set up?

Silly question but I wanted to ask

[alpine canopy]

It's possible maybe, foe cleaver is really strong though

[turbid dome]

wont say no, but as toast said foe cleaver is very very strong

I would look to see what onehanded uniques you could use to give you an edge over stuff like apathy's maw

[forest kelp]

Don't like rive

[warped night]

I ran a DW Rive FG for a while, and it did nowhere near the damage of my 2H Rive VK. Not directly comparable, but still

It was very good at generating mana to spam forge strike though

Was using eye of reen and naal's tooth

[turbid dome]

well thats too damn bad

tho I do hope rive gets rebalanced, it hinges too much on a few nodes imo

[forest kelp]

wish it two-hand weapon not only axe 🥹

I’ll be more confident when building Javelin Smite; I’ve bought the cosmic mtx for it

[unborn cypress]

Are they still tagged with "cannot be traded?"

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[unborn cypress]

That's what I thought. How does one make 100m per week off loot lizards in CoF then? What am I missing here?

[winter copper]

You dont, someone is trolling you

[alpine canopy]

No clue really

[unborn cypress]

Ah ok, the sarcasm was lost on me 😆 . That's what I get for just seeing part of the conversation.

[steep egret]

Any other tanky builds like shield bash forge guard? Doing 1 more sentinel build before s3

I don't normally follow guides but I've been staring at the skills screen for a hour now trying to come up with something. Maybe rive looks good

[forest kelp]

It comes from many sources; if subtract the items I sold from MG, the pure gold I farmed would be over 300m since the start of the season

[forest kelp]

Missed 4 times before completing, the rings with better base rolls are already go far

[forest kelp]

the best ww weapon I've ever rolled

[waxen nymph]

Rive VK go brrrr

[gleaming pine]

I'm constantly running out of money and I only have 160 tabs on cof, must be doing it wrong

[forest kelp]

Maybe my playtime is just longer 🦎

[silent storm]

And I got happy with my 1k

🇫

[pseudo parcel]

damn bro you're blasting fulltime + overtime

[forest kelp]

Over 30% of that time is just afk; I work from home

[forest kelp]

the general idol type has its advantages; I can imprint all the idols for the class, but the problem for me is that my sample has too low FP 😭

[waxen nymph]

This is a relic

Not an idol 🤓

[forest kelp]

Oh, right, I've a cold, and struggling with meds

[forest kelp]

Musk's AI seems pretty dumb when translating my language without DeepSearch; I might need to find something else 🤨

[bleak roost]

@waxen nymph with Dread's build, this thing is a fearsome boss-blaster.

[waxen nymph]

It's fun for big number but I am not a'fan of poping bleeds, or Ailment at all tbh

Unless you get more dmg from it

It cut your leech instantly

[bleak roost]

unlucky 😦
Still, Dread's build did Aberroth with only a couple of days of farming stuff in CoF. Can push higher DPS easily tbh

[warped night]

bleed pop with demise is pretty fun

[bleak roost]

6.6mil blitzkrieg bleed pop

so that was about 270k DPS on the boss dummy, the pop was exactly 600 stacks

however, I would require the boss to sit there and do nothing for a good 3-4 seconds to build those stacks, so realistically, the DPS is much lower

was a cool experiment tho

[waxen nymph]

You even got 120 stacks of Armor Shred for extra dmg

😏

[bleak roost]

and 3 stacks of slow because we be snailin'!

[waxen nymph]

Where do you get the Shred from?

[bleak roost]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdX8k5kQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 97

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (53) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,213, Regen: 167.37/s
▸ Mana: 119.89, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 59 Str / 36 Dex / 26 Int / 1 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 59% / 76% / 102% / 102% / 49% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 889
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (144)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,521)
▸ Block Chance: 48%, Mitigation: 42% (1,371)

Used skills:

Javelin / Abyssal Echoes / Smite / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope

[bleak roost]

le gloves

[waxen nymph]

You know it doesn't work for bleed?

And pop is not a hit

It just accelerate the bleed dmg to deal all the dmg instantly

[warped night]

is that a pop of a single hit or many hits?

I think I managed a 30m pop on the dummy on my demise pally at one point

or maybe it was 50m idr

[forest kelp]

I usually don't like to directly cast spell skills but prefer a more indirect approach

[warped night]

I don't mind it. really depends on the rotation and how clunky an individual skill feels

I'm not a fan of piano builds though

[strong ledge]

new player here

Im at level 90 monoliths, what are my options for farming for specefic gear?

[waxen nymph]

CoF ?

If yes then Prophecies

[karmic moon]

Speaking of prophecies, anybody know where I can reliably find siege golems? I was thinking the imperial monoliths might have an increased chance, but all I seem to find are posessed golems instead.

[alpine canopy]

They are a divine era Solarum themed enemy, so not generally Imperial ones. The TunkLab bestiary has a list of the timelines they can naturally spawn in: https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/SiegeGolem

[strong ledge]

yeah

[forest kelp]

Another

[bleak roost]

now I do 😛

[bleak roost]

it's expending all bleed stacks to inflict all their dmg instantly

[forest kelp]

9 tier again 😄

[pseudo parcel]

[warped night]

yeah I get that, but were those bleed stacks you applied with one hit or many?

[waxen nymph]

Many

They are playing Jav + Smite

[forest kelp]

Void damage javelinnnnnnn

Need something convert it

[bleak roost]

He*

[waxen nymph]

💪

Duly noted

[bleak roost]

although I'm not sure if smite is applying bleed

oh nvm, it's Bleed on Hit so it does

[waxen nymph]

Yup

And if you have Sacrifice

That's 250% More Dmg for bleeds from Smite too

[wooden mountain]

When LET says Smite has a base speed of 1.467 casts per second per second is the cast speed calculation as simple as 200% cast speed = (1.467)(3) = 4.401 casts per second?

sacrifice being the only node in smite that scales ailment damage is pretty disappointing tbh

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[alpine canopy]

Ignite and electrify both have extra scaling nodes. But smite's main thing is you can proc a ton on them on top of doing other things, and sacrifice on its own is much better than most nodes.

[warped night]

250% more is kinda insane for one node

[forest kelp]

250% is indeed big, but it needs nearly 10 points

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, smite has a bigger multiplier than many skills are capable of

[wooden mountain]

I guess that's true about ignite and electrify but as a direct cast skill it kind of pales in comparison to hammer throw for generic ailment scaling

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, direct cast has very little benefits over indirect

[wooden mountain]

auto targeting, the HH on smite nodes, devotion cast speed, palarus multi target are all at least moderately attractive but yeah I tend to agree

I find hammer throw has a somewhat finicky hit box at times

but it's unbeatable for spammable generic more multipliers

[waxen nymph]

Can get away with 8 imo

[forest kelp]

The damage doesn't seem promising; I see many people using it to stack ailments rather than as the main damage skill

[waxen nymph]

Talking about Smite?

Crit Hit is really good

[forest kelp]

max roll so far

[karmic moon]

<@&1161418687471956101>

ty

[forest kelp]

damn it, wanna cry

[karmic moon]

lemme guess, you're on a crit build? 😛

[forest kelp]

I don't have anything to equip for the spear, and Yoshok's Reach is too ugly

[forest kelp]

Omg, FG Javelin 46ms

🥶

[forest kelp]

FG Javelin build farms too slowly, even though my item are already strong enough... now I understand why hardly anyone plays it

[winter copper]

Just shield rush to objectives its not slow

[hard pebble]

🫃

[split gulch]

T7 melee crit chance feels so good I almost don't care about the other rolls

[shadow kelp]

anyone online

what is a better skill than manifest armour for forgegaurd

[alpine canopy]

Better for what purpose?

[ruby tulip]

Is Smelter's Wrath FG still good/enjoyable? Does it do damage like Erasing Strike?

[warped night]

Is Smelter's Wrath FG still good/enjoyable?
I hate smelter's wrath so I'll abstain from that question
Does it do damage like Erasing Strike?
no, very few things do

[winter copper]

why the heck did u use word still there lmfao

it never did

[ruby tulip]

Oh. I watched a Dread video. It was... 1.1.7 I think.

It was pretty interesting enough. Melted bosses enough to be amusing.

[winter copper]

normal builds kill uber in 4 min, wrath does in 15+

kekw

[ruby tulip]

That's why I mentioned it was 1.1.7. it was before Uber.

It was funny enough that charging a full wrath could deal decent damage to regular aberroth

So the answer is "no" Smelter's Wrath FG is not fun?

[winter copper]

it 3 shots normal one

[ruby tulip]

Oh nice. If it can still do this, I might try it out.

[winter copper]

u need to play event horizon

[winter copper]

it was buffed almost 2ce, still trash compared to any current decent build imo, good favor farmer tho

[ruby tulip]

Event horizon? The stupid hammer from Emperor of Corpses? I thought World Splitter was the thing.

[ruby tulip]

Favor...? Weaver favor?

[winter copper]

no, cof favor

[ruby tulip]

I want to switch my FG from Warpath to something. Just trying to see if Wrath is it. Or if I need to wait until level 100

[ruby tulip]

Huh. Okay thanks.

[winter copper]

ok ye warpath is even worse than tat if u are fg

[alpine canopy]

That used a bug which has since been patched out

[winter copper]

yep infinite dmg bug

[forest kelp]

again

i won

[simple reef]

gg too bad it's a shred idol

i had this happen once on a t8 and it rolled 6/2 lol so that was troll

[forest kelp]

Yup, I have a great amulet, so this idol will stay in the stash. This is the third time with 9 point WW. I’ve seen 8 point ones quite a bit, but they’re harder to roll than 7 point

[simple reef]

i mean

they are most definitely not harder to roll

probably just confirmation bias due to lower sample size

[forest kelp]

I mean, if you only have 7 weaver points, rolling a tier 7 affix that you need is easier than with 8 weaver points

[simple reef]

yes i understood

that is not correct

the way that WW and WT work is that every time you use up a point there is an x% chance that it upgrades an existing affix and a y% chance that it adds a new affix (if available)

where x is something like 70% and y is like 30%, i don't remember the exact numbers but adding an affix is infrequent in comparison to upgrading

so there is absolutely zero reason that a 7 WT idol would yield better results than 8 WT

if you have experienced better results it's most likely due to a low sample size or confirmation bias or both

another way to think of it is that there is zero difference between a 7 WT idol, and an 8 WT idol with 1 leftover WT (besides that the leftover WT can potentially redeem your enchants if you ended up at 6/1)

[forest kelp]

In most cases, when I get 8 points, there's already an affix higher than tier 2, which is why I say it's harder to roll tier 7

[simple reef]

and that differs from 7 WT how?

[forest kelp]

I come across 7WT more often, and I can choose the starting affix

[simple reef]

so that is literally sample size and confirmation bias

it's easier to get a useful 7 WT because you get say 100 of them for three 8 WT, and on those 100 you can choose to ignore the 90 that bricked and on the leftover 10 that rolled a good affix you probably get a couple to t7

i mean yes if that is what you mean then you are correct it is way easier to get a useful 7 WT because they are plentiful

but at equal amounts of 7 and 8 WT, the 8s are easier to roll

[forest kelp]

Yes, I'm talking about rolling the tier 7 affix that I need

[simple reef]

yeah this was just poorly worded

so we had to clarify

[forest kelp]

I'm just looking at what I get: in a week, I come across 8WT about 10 times or so, but it's hard to roll a T7, let alone the specific T7 affix I need

[simple reef]

it's easier to roll 100 times for a 10% chance to hit than to roll 10 times for a 15% chance

but 15% is still more than 10%

[marsh belfry]

Anyone got a rough idea what to use on mapping / bossing , im thinking on bossing with Sulorons the 1LP might be better and for mapping the 2LP

[forest kelp]

pray for me 🙏

[wooden mountain]

health is shit, cold res is the new meta

[forest kelp]

Depression for 30 min

[forest kelp]

Just got a 9WT idol for 4 time

[forest kelp]

Depression x3 💀

[pseudo parcel]

[maiden rivet]

Javelin Divine Fury is there any point in adding more than one point. The skill that creates extra lightning spears

[waxen nymph]

Sorry can your try to rephrase

Epoint?

[silk wasp]

one point

[waxen nymph]

On what?

[silk wasp]

Divine Fury, I assume

[alpine canopy]

Putting more points in gets you more split spears for more area coverage

[maiden rivet]

Oh, ok. More for clearing mobs

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

[forest kelp]

Now, the only thing missing is the function to inherit enchanted affixes and an item that can replace any sacrificial item for rerolling, obtained from, for example, a 4LP item 😆

[dull escarp]

is there an easy loot filter i can use for a void knight that i dont have to set up? just looking for an avaerage one that plugs and plays please

[turbid dome]

Look up Heavy’z casual filter

That’s the most plug and play

You just fill out the affixes you want on the “add affixes here thing”

[dull escarp]

got it in...ned to change a few things but it works....thanks Engi i appreciate it

[turbid dome]

No problemo, happy gaming!

[waxen ibex]

Playing a Hand of Judgement build ATM, have a few questions.

Should I be building up the Consecrated Ground part of the skill at all, considering Hand of Judgement only adds attack damage?

Do Consecrated Grounds stack on top of each other? Do Consecrated Auras stack?

There's are some nice crit nodes on the Judgement tree, and those are what I've been building to, but I'm concerned that it would be difficult to build crit without a weapon. Can I get a reasonable crit rate without a weapon?

[alpine canopy]

Up to you which part of the skill you want to build. Those gloves are really intended for scaling the melee part, but you can ise them for the spell part instead.

Consecrated ground stacks. Making it an aura disables stacking.

You're right it isn't easy to build crit, but it's possible to build. I think people tend to want close to 100% crit chance for slow hitters like judgment, idk how easy that is.

[waxen ibex]

Thanks for reply

I guessed as much, but wanted to confirm.

I don't think I can reasonably get more than 50% crit rate, so I'll think about moving away from that direction

[waxen nymph]

You can use Shield Bash to get a'lot of Base Crit

[waxen ibex]

That's an idea, having to alternate between the two moves will be a pain though. I'll see about it

[maiden rivet]

How do the "% chance to Smite with Throwing Attacks" stack? Is it additive (25 + 25 +25 + 25 = 100) or multiplicative

[wooden mountain]

additive, you'll never get more than one smite per hit with any number of idols and I can't think of any builds that want or need all four assuming you have good rolls

you can get multiple smites per skill usage if they hit multiple times (which is exactly what you use the idols for)

[haughty canopy]

One 25% idol is sufficient

It's per hit chance

[waxen nymph]

It is not

To reach the cap of 10 Smite per 2'sec

For clearing maybe, but for bossing absolutely not

[forest kelp]

10 smite per 2sec for all source?

[waxen nymph]

Well unless you are using Smite as a support skill

[waxen nymph]

Just from the idols

It's weird, it doesn't show in game

But it shows in Letools

Same with Aftershock idols

There is a cap of 10 per 2 sec

[forest kelp]

Julra still hasn’t forgiven me, 30% armor experimentals 🫡

[haughty canopy]

My statement was for generic hammer clearing..

[hard pebble]

shield bash let's goooo

[turbid dome]

🎉

[waxen nymph]

🛡️

[turbid dome]

Different Vlad pfp jumpscare

[forest kelp]

Troves 4min?

[hallow herald]

@hard pebble can you show planner

[hard pebble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrRvzJyB nothing special. The second Somnia helmet for bosses

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (16) / Forge Guard (61) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,650, Regen: 69.19/s
▸ Mana: 182.04, Regen: 12.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 196 Str / 12 Dex / 12 Int / 17 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 118% / 99% / 51% / 79% / 88% / 52% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 964
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (13,691)
▸ Block Chance: 65%, Mitigation: 73% (5,683)

Used skills:

Ring Of Shields / Shield Bash / Symbols of Hope / Healing Hands / Devouring Orb

[hard pebble]

The helmet is full of garbage unfortunately

[warped night]

event horizon with shield bash or rush is fun

I'm doing shield rush on my FG

[hard pebble]

It's also a very interesting build.

[warped night]

yeah, it's pretty silly

couldn't really use ring of shields though since it burned through too much mana

[hallow herald]

How to get to 100% block

[warped night]

there's and extra 30% not shown from using shield bash and ring of shields casting

and then 10% from haste if they've got it

[forest kelp]

Dann it, Shieldstorm max 50%

[warped night]

yeah, all the block chance scaling nodes on shield bash are capped

otherwise you'd see more people using bastion or face of the mountain