Armor only mitigates Hit Dmg
So armor Shred only amplify hit dmg
#š±āsentinel
waxen nymph
No, Forged Weapons are triggered by Vengeance but depends on the Forge Strike tree. Nothing in Vengeance will give them more dmg
steady yew
Armor only mitigates Hit Dmg
So armor Shred only amplify hit dmg
alright so yeah make no sence running this better running light pen
waxen nymph
But you are not using a fire skill aren't you?
Not Directly using one
The only thing you use is Multistrike
And now that you point it out. I don't understand why you choose that belt either š
steady yew
that proc smite and there always be a ignite on the target
steady yew
And now that you point it out. I don't understand why you choose that belt eithe...
now me neither
make no sence really thought it was on skill use you ignite yourself
and not on fire skill
waxen nymph
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steady yew
Orian descent it will be then
waxen nymph
Brew Master is a good defensive belt
waxen nymph
Elecoe has crit multi, low lpl and a lot of heal per potion
steady yew
would have to test it when i get the different part but i guess i would have to sacrifce something to get mana back
steady yew
Elecoe has crit multi, low lpl and a lot of heal per potion
both would be quite easy to get
waxen nymph
And now you get a real relic
steady yew
hmm would have to figure it out
no clue what to insert beside the water orb one
Ucenui's Sphere
waxen nymph
both would be quite easy to get
You get 10 mana per Multistrike + you get get mana regen on symbols + Holy Aura
steady yew
You get 10 mana per Multistrike + you get get mana regen on symbols + Holy Aura
will it be enough with the amount of smite per second i would cast ^^
waxen nymph
no clue what to insert beside the water orb one
Heart of Ukheiros is a lot of hp and Str (armor)
You will be low mana for sure
But as long as you can use your traversal skill when you need it not an issue imo
fast atlas
for anyone who killed uber on ES do you know your health/armor from when you did it? I think I need slightly more and maybe a bit more damage but just checking
steady yew
Heart of Ukheiros is a lot of hp and Str (armor)
i thought about it but missing the passive is meh
waxen nymph
i thought about it but missing the passive is meh
20%'inc hp on a slot that normally can't have it is meh?
I thought you were afraid for your survivability
steady yew
20%'inc hp on a slot that normally can't have it is meh?
I thought you were afra...
i'am but not sure about the trade off
waxen nymph
Against what?
steady yew
dunno xD or Ucenui's Sphere
supple cloak
would this be OK for VK warpath until I get a shattered worlds?
waxen nymph
Ucenui is at best smth like 300% Inc Dmg
supple cloak
or this
waxen nymph
dunno xD or Ucenui's Sphere
Ucenui is at best smth like 300% Inc Dmg. You already have 1500%
I would consider 20% hp
You could use a WW relic too
steady yew
yeah would have to see i need to get the gear now
dense tendon
or this
1 lp anchor is 2 in 7 with a >100% drop rate on cof, get one and slam mana on it
well actually it's 100% at 760 corruption but close enough
steady yew
for anyone who killed uber on ES do you know your health/armor from when you did...
getting os with this slam or frontal https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Alkaladur/character/Alkaladin
harsh nova
That is how pen works at its simplest form
Because thats how all multiplier buckets work
You gain x% more of all ur current stats
If i do 10% MORE then all of my buckets have increased by 10%
thorny spoke
It depends how much you already have.
harsh nova
Which means its 10% of ue total flat, 10% of ur increased damage, and 10% of ur multi damage buckets
It doesnt
Pen has no diminishing returns
15% is always 15% of ur other stats
thorny spoke
14% pen being worth 200 crit multi depends how much of each you have.
harsh nova
You gain all of ur buckets of damage not just crit multi
thorny spoke
Is more than 14% pen
harsh nova
No shit captain, i used a general example and ur taking it as literal as jesus himself
thorny spoke
You gain all of ur buckets of damage not just crit multi
This principle applies to every separate damage bucket.
harsh nova
Thanks captain
Thats what i said already
You gain x% damage of all ur buckets of damage
thorny spoke
No shit captain, i used a general example and ur taking it as literal as jesus h...
Okay I can only go by what you said.
harsh nova
Flat increased and crit multi all gain 14% more. This is nearly what a 200 crit multi affix would do for erasing strike
thorny spoke
But yeah, penetration is literally just another damage bucket, expressed a diff way. Like any other bucket.
And like every bucket in the game, the value it represents in terms of % damage gain, it depends on how much you already have in said bucket.
Penetration isn't special in this regard, it just interacts slightly differently cuz you have to factor shred too
young lynx
few lucky crits and abberoth died before switching phase, somehow
harsh nova
you can straight skip his shields and stuff if you hit at the right tick
thorny spoke
Flat increased and crit multi all gain 14% more. This is nearly what a 200 crit ...
Lieutenant, for 200 crit multi to equate to 14% damage, you'd have to already have 1300% crit multi.
young lynx
shields supposed to exist to slow down high dps builds, to keep power between builds closer
harsh nova
like holy crap dude, i've over explained this 6x and ur tripling over the same stuff.
if you wanted to equate pen to a single affix yes 14% would be nearly the same as a 200% crit multi gain for ES
thorny spoke
I quoted what you're saying. Idk how you can gas light me
harsh nova
25% dps gain vs 14% in 3 buckets
thorny spoke
Why do you think void pen is three buckets.
harsh nova
you completely ignored the entire conversation that included that
NO CRAP CAPTAIN THAT'S WHAT I SAID
THREE TIMES NOW
literally the message you initially responded to and two additional times now
thorny spoke
I don't think you understand what you're talking about.
I'll let the blind lead the blind.
harsh nova
pen affects all buckets of damage like holy crap
thorny spoke
pen affects all buckets of damage like holy crap
Every bucket. Holy crap lieutenant
thorny spoke
Yes then we agree
harsh nova
this was in the original conversation that you didn't care to read either
and ive restated it 6x now
thorny spoke
Explain how 14% pen is 200 crit multi. We're waiting for your math lieutenant
Don't make me demote you
thorny spoke
Grade 3 arithmetic
harsh nova
read. the. messages.
thorny spoke
You reduced how many times you said it? A sec ago it was 6x
harsh nova
14% gain in all buckets of damage is actually greater than what a 200% crit multi affix would do
thorny spoke
š¤£
thorny spoke
14% gain in all buckets of damage is actually *greater* than what a 200% crit mu...
Who's dumber than a bag of rocks now.
ARPG math eludes you
harsh nova
yeah cuz going from a 25% increase in a single bucket vs 14% across ALL buckets, including skill trees, is better
you are so far from reality it's hilarious
pen would dip on all your more multipliers from passive trees, skill trees, and items
the value of pen is infinitely higher than crit multi would ever be
thorny spoke
I'm trying to explain the math to you and you're just insulting me lol. Like I'd said I'll let the blind lead the blind.
Have a good day. Effectively making the community dumber with this.
harsh nova
yes u are
steady yew
Yikes
Even me got it
That means a lot
The value of 1 pen is higher than 1 in any other type of element beside some skill scaling or build interaction falconer I see you š
Since 1 pen =+1 in every value in the dmg calculation
steady yew
yeah cuz going from a 25% increase in a single bucket vs 14% across ALL buckets,...
Is that it?
harsh nova
depends what skill ur using and such, this case it's erasing strike and other options for midnight ring and if the pen is actually worth, which goes up to 17%
for ES there's no other viable options even close because of the void pen
and if you had less than a max build your damage bucket changes can impact which has higher value
for instance if you had 200 crit multi still ur kinda boned on pen
pen needs other stats to work
thorny spoke
They think that pen should be calculated as multiple buckets because it affects multiple buckets. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a bucket is and how the buckets interact with each other.
dense tendon
why is resistance more than one bucket what
thorny spoke
It is true that pen interacts with other buckets, but that's not untrue of any other bucket lmaom
harsh nova
yes but no, resistance is an additive bucket which you are ignoring
alpine canopy
Yeah, each bucket is completely independent of all other buckets. That's why it costs so much to get my house repainted.
analog steppe
penetration does have diminishing returns (just like increased, just like crit multiplier) because its not a new more bucket each time like other more effects
dense tendon
no man that's just linear returns
analog steppe
that being said, penetration is really strong because its often the smallest bucket
harsh nova
15% pen will always be 15% pen, your overall damage change will have diminishing returns tho yes, going from 15 -> 30% is still going to be a 100% increase compared to a different upgrade
cunning dew
Is nacho spouting nonsense again
analog steppe
one item that says 20% penetration and one skill node that says 50% penetration leads to a 1.7x multiplier on damage, not a 1.8x multiplier
harsh nova
defense has actual diminishing returns
analog steppe
if that was 20% more and 50% more you would get 1.8x
so yes it is a bit different, and we use the term diminishing returns to refer to that
harsh nova
none of the damage stats reduce in value in comparison to themselves which is what i was refering to with pen
like defense does
analog steppe
The more penetration you have the less valuable the next 10% will be
dense tendon
you gotta stop using the term to refer to that cause that's not what it means then
harsh nova
yes your overall damage change will always have diminishing returns on an existing bucket
it is what it means, there's just 2 different types of diminishing returns you can have, your overall change or single stat
thorny spoke
Is nacho spouting nonsense again
Yeah they're very aggressive about it too.
cunning dew
Tried to tell me a build I was playing was bugged to do 10x damage
thorny spoke
that being said, penetration is really strong because its often the smallest buc...
Yup while this is true, it also offers smaller amounts compared to say % increased void damage.
But that was right.
What you said.
thorny spoke
Tried to tell me a build I was playing was bugged to do 10x damage
Did they call you dumb and say they repeated something they never said 3x?
cunning dew
I just didnāt respond
analog steppe
Yes increased is the big bucket usually, adding 300% increased can be worth less than adding 20% pen in certain builds
harsh nova
Did they call you dumb and say they repeated something they never said 3x?
literally sent pictures bud
ur adorbale
here you go again
me saying that exact thing, 3x
analog steppe
If the ā10xā is going back to that quicksand bug we worked out yesterday that at most itās a 15% damage boost
And probably not even that much in real conditions
cunning dew
Yeah I read your analysis it seems pretty well done
dense tendon
why do you say that penetration affects all buckets but crit multi doesnt
thorny spoke
I ain't looking at pics you linked wtf. I don't know you and you're hostile and angry. And confidently wrong. Lol
harsh nova
why do you say that penetration affects all buckets but crit multi doesnt
in response to his message
pen doesn't just increase you change in crit multi for overall damage change
you would consider your total damage buckets
alpine canopy
The whole point of buckets is so you can compare relative total increases without considering any other buckets
harsh nova
okay but going from 0% -> 1% is an infinite increase
but it's actually not
it's a 1% increase of all ur other damage buckets
alpine canopy
It's not an infinite increase
hybrid turtle
alpine canopy
it's 1x multiplier to a 1.01x multiplier
harsh nova
you can't multiply by 0
thorny spoke
why do you say that penetration affects all buckets but crit multi doesnt
That's what I'm wondering lol. This person does not understand but guns blazing when you try to help them.
dense tendon
let's say i have 100% crit chance and no ailment chance, 0 penetration, 200% crit mult
is 10% penetration or 25% mult better?
alpine canopy
there's no multiplication by 0
analog steppe
You never need to multiply by 0, itās always off a base of 1
thorny spoke
This person doesn't understand. You're squeezing blood from a rock.
harsh nova
going from 0%, and adding 10% pen, would give you a overall change % of what
thorny spoke
The whole point of buckets is so you can compare relative total increases withou...
Bingo!
harsh nova
because that's how you would compare an independent bucket without others
thorny spoke
Thank you sensible and intelligent people for showing up
alpine canopy
an actual 0x multiplier when you're talking about resistances would mean an enemy somehow has a total resistance of 100%
dense tendon
bro what
harsh nova
and your % change of that bucket from 0 is what
dense tendon
it's a 10% increase cause enemies have 0 resists
thorny spoke
Nacho, put the megaphone down, and pick up a notepad and pen.
harsh nova
the only way to actually understand the value of your first gain in a bucket is by comparing your other buckets to it's value
simple shadow
let's say i have 100% crit chance and no ailment chance, 0 penetration, 200% cri...
25% mult will be a 1/8 increase to the multiplier of damage dealt or 12.5% more and 10% pen will change the monster's resistance from 75% to 65%, so the enemy will take 25%->35% of your total damage, or 40% more damage dealt to that monster ( i thought monsters gained 1% per area level, this is wrong so actually it would be 10% more taken with 10% pen)
alpine canopy
going from 0%, and adding 10% pen, would give you a overall change % of what
0% pen is 1x damage. 10% pen is 1.1x damage. That's 10% more total damage. You don't need to compare anything else at all.
harsh nova
your overall change for the bucket is what
which is what you would compare to other stats to see which is higher value in dps
alpine canopy
10%, see above
harsh nova
no, going from 1% -> 2% is a 100% overall change in that bucket
so going from 0% -> 10% isn't 10%
alpine canopy
no, going from 1% -> 2% is a 100% overall change in that bucket
No
alpine canopy
You're misunderstanding the point of buckets
gilded sphinx
what in the grade 6 math fail is this LOL holy shit you are so wrong this is embarassing bro stop
thorny spoke
That's what I've been saying lmao.
harsh nova
going from 100 -> 200 is a 100% increase in that bucket's damage
going from 1 -> 2% is the same thing, for that bucket
alpine canopy
The whole point is convert each multiplicative stat into its effective DPS multiplier so that you can compare changes without looking at anything that you don't need to.
simple shadow
dude going from 0% to 10% is not a % change for that bucket cause it started at 0
vapid badge
I like to take out my anger when I fail uber abberoth by killing base abberoth
alpine canopy
Same can be done for EHP buckets.
gilded sphinx
literally has no concept of how multiplicative vs additive scaling works
harsh nova
That's what im saying is that you need to compare the damage change for all' stats for your first gain in a bucket
alpine canopy
That's what im saying is that you need to compare the damage change for *all'* s...
No you don't, and the entire reson people use the "bucket" concept is because it avoids that
simple shadow
That's what im saying is that you need to compare the damage change for *all'* s...
you the only person i seen saying anything about a bucket starting at 0% increase to your overall damage dealt
gilded sphinx
because it makes no sense
alpine canopy
If you have 0% penetration, are you dealing 0 damage?
harsh nova
alpine canopy
because that's how you are describing 0% penetration
harsh nova
if you aren't considering ANY other buckets how can you say it's a 10% dps increase
gilded sphinx
because each bucket is MULTIPLICATIVE
harsh nova
you aren't using any other buckets to get your change for this number
alpine canopy
if you aren't considering ANY other buckets how can you say it's a 10% dps incre...
Because all buckets are multiplicative
gilded sphinx
jessssus christ
harsh nova
GOING FROM 1-2 IS DOUBLING
alpine canopy
What?
harsh nova
literally you doubled that bucket
gilded sphinx
WTF DOES THAT EVEN MEAN
harsh nova
going from 1% -> 2% is a 100% increase in THAT bucket
thorny spoke
What?
harsh nova
you doubled the value of THAT bucket
alpine canopy
Your bucket is not "1%"
thorny spoke
102% / 101%
dense tendon
you dont even need to know anything else other than what resistance the enemy has to tell how much damage penetration will give you
thorny spoke
Not 2% / 1%
harsh nova
it doesn't matter what numbers you pick bro, going from 200 -> 250 is a 25% increase in that bucket
you gained 25% more in that independent bucket
going from 1% -> 2% is a 100% increase
simple shadow
you gained 25% more in that independent bucket
ok what's your point
alpine canopy
it doesn't matter what numbers you pick bro, going from 200 -> 250 is a 25% incr...
What matters is using the correct understanding of what a stat does for you
simple shadow
going from 1% -> 2% is a 100% increase
true
thorny spoke
Pls nacho, if you are going to be this wrong, don't also simultaneously be this condescending, insulting, and aggressive to people trying to help you and trying to prevent you from making this community dumber with bad info and fail math.
gilded sphinx
no it is not, it would be written as 1.01 to 1.02
harsh nova
okay so if you go from 0% to 10% what is the change in THAT bucket
because it isn't 10%
thorny spoke
okay so if you go from 0% to 10% what is the change in THAT bucket
110 / 100
harsh nova
10% is your change for ALL buckets
simple shadow
because it isn't 10%
numerically it is
harsh nova
not THAT bucket
alpine canopy
okay so if you go from 0% to 10% what is the change in THAT bucket
For penetration, it would be 10%
harsh nova
that's your overall change to all buckets
thorny spoke
10% is your change for ALL buckets
No it is the change for that bucket only.
alpine canopy
You need to understand mechanically what a stat does for you
spice portal
bruh there no way, how do you do uber abby when he hits 10k
dense tendon
what did he hit you with
harsh nova
so you agree that going from 200 -> 250 is a 25% increase but going from 1 -> 10% would be a 1000% increase
not 10%
gilded sphinx
what are you trying to say? that going from 10 pen to 20 pen doubles your overall damage? i cant follow
alpine canopy
okay so if you go from 0% to 10% what is the change in THAT bucket
Tell me, what effect does 0% penetration have on your damage?
thorny spoke
so you agree that going from 200 -> 250 is a 25% increase but going from 1 -> 10...
Nobody agrees with this.
harsh nova
they did actually
thorny spoke
Except you
thorny spoke
Nacho can you stop, and also apologize to everyone?
simple shadow
Nobody agrees with this.
no what hes saying is true mathematically, its the way he's interpreting what that actually means for your damage dealt that is wrong
gilded sphinx
OH NO PLEASE NEVER SAY ANYTHING NICE TO US
you have a fundamental misunderstanding of damage calculations
its okay, but maybe stop being defensive
thorny spoke
you wanna keep making comments ill never say anything nice to you
You started off calling us dumb as a bag of rocks. I have as much faith in your manners as I do in your arithmetic.
gilded sphinx
here comes a gem
alpine canopy
So each "more" multiplier is its own bucket. What you're telling me is that if I allocate a node that says "You deal 1% more damage", I have no way of telling what effect that has on my total DPS because that bucket is changing from 0% to 1%.
harsh nova
if all buckets are multiplicitve a 25% increase in a independent bucket as a 25% increase across all buckets, going from 1% pen to 2% pen doesn't double your damage, it doubles the effect of that bucket which was 1% of total stats before
gilded sphinx
he's trying to say that going from 1-2% more damage is the same as 100% increased from what im gathering?
harsh nova
no
alpine canopy
if all buckets are multiplicitve a 25% increase in a independent bucket as a 25%...
Buckets do not affect other buckets
simple shadow
he's trying to say that going from 1-2% more damage is the same as 100% increase...
no hes saying that going from 1 to 2 is an increase of 100% for that bucket
gilded sphinx
okay, so what are you trying to imply by that?
simple shadow
he wont say
harsh nova
that going from 0% to 10% isn't a 10% increase to THAT bucket
that is an overall change
gilded sphinx
that going from 0% to 10% isn't a 10% increase to THAT bucket
okay, so what are you trying to imply by that?
harsh nova
not an independent bucket change
gilded sphinx
that is a literal meaningless statement?
harsh nova
gilded sphinx
??????
alpine canopy
Hey, I agree with that
harsh nova
this is what i was talking to toast about im glad none of you could follow along
harsh nova
ya'll are making stuff up at this point to argue over nothing
hybrid turtle
EvoEH, you're the judgement aura guy, right?
gilded sphinx
yes
harsh nova
when what i said is in fact right about % change to a bucket
simple shadow
when what i said is in fact right about % change to a bucket
yes
hybrid turtle
I found some gloves with t7 attunement and t7 hybrid health and easy to craft prefix. What should I craft there?
simple shadow
whats confusing to us is what you're trying to say
harsh nova
and going from 0% to 10% in a bucket isn't a 10% change to that independent bucket
gilded sphinx
mana
hybrid turtle
Aight
alpine canopy
when what i said is in fact right about % change to a bucket
You are baselining your buckets in a way that is inconsistent with their functionality
simple shadow
and going from 0% to 10% in a bucket isn't a 10% change to that independent buck...
because and percent of 0 is still 0?
harsh nova
because and percent of 0 is still 0?
yes
dense tendon
ok 14% penetration is a bigger change to the penetration bucket than 200% crit mult is to the crit mult bucket
and?
hybrid turtle
God bloody damnit
harsh nova
your FIRST 10% pen is worth 10% of your total stats, so every 10% of pen after that is worth the same amount becuase pen isn't a diminishing return bucket like armor is
hybrid turtle
I hate rune of removal, it reeeeally needs to have its upper cost capped at like 15
25 is too much
gilded sphinx
okay okay maybe i can parse the matrix
alpine canopy
If you're looking at a stat like "increased damage" or "penetration" or "more damage", you need to look at the bucket as its effect on your DPS, not the raw stat number
simple shadow
your FIRST 10% pen is worth 10% of your total stats, so every 10% of pen after t...
that's not true
gilded sphinx
in order for a stat to be worth more than 14% pen, it has to amount to a total of more than 14% of the total bucket?
simple shadow
if you go from 10% pen to 20% pen, your damage dealt goes from 110->120 which is less than a 10% increase
gilded sphinx
if thats what youre trying to say, holy shit that was hard
harsh nova
if you take 100 * 10 * 20 you have 2000 if you take 100 * 20 * 20* you have 4000
thorny spoke
in order for a stat to be worth more than 14% pen, it has to amount to a total o...
Not necessarily true but this is the gist of how it works.
Depends on enemy resistances.
gilded sphinx
i dont think it does with LE res calcs?
alpine canopy
There is no logical reason to compare the literal number of your stats together if they aren't using the same units
harsh nova
if you want to quantify your first gain in a stat you should be
simple shadow
if you take 100 * 10 * 20 you have 2000 if you take 100 * 20 * 20* you have 4000
that is not a representation of the in-game interaction between increased damage, crit multi, and penetration
alpine canopy
if you want to quantify your first gain in a stat you should be
No, because then you could never understand any "more" or "less" multipliers because they are all their own stat
gilded sphinx
that is not a representation of the in-game interaction between increased damage...
also this, 20 pen would not be a 20x multiplier, it would be 1.2x
simple shadow
also this, 20 pen would not be a 20x multiplier, it would be 1.2x
yeah exactly
gilded sphinx
good lord
simple shadow
when your pen stat doubles as you go from 10% to 20% penetration, the multiplier to your damage dealt, when your penetration stat increases by 100% from a 1.1x multiplier to a 1.2x multiplier, does not double
alpine canopy
The whole concept of buckets is reframing each multiplicative stat into its own overall DPS multiplier. It effectively lets you look at each independently from all others, as if it were a %more/less multiplier.
0% penetration is not a 0 x DPS multiplier
hybrid turtle
God damn Glyph of Nope
gilded sphinx
was this guy dying on a hill thinking that each 10 pen was a 10x multiplier?
simple shadow
The whole concept of buckets is reframing each multiplicative stat into its own ...
yeah its a great way to compartmentalize the many varied modifiers
harsh nova
was this guy dying on a hill thinking that each 10 pen was a 10x multiplier?
never said that
gilded sphinx
your calcs did
harsh nova
resistance is a bucket that gives 1% more damage per 1% ignore resistance....
simple shadow
the bucket for increased damage, when you have NO sources of INC damage, is a 1.00x multipler to your dps, the same goes for any other bucket when you have no modifiers to them
gilded sphinx
please continue?
alpine canopy
resistance is a bucket that gives 1% more damage per 1% ignore resistance....
Correct. So if you have nothing in that stat, what is the overall DPS multiplier you would expect to see from penetration?
simple shadow
penetration has diminishing returns btw
harsh nova
it doesn't like armor
simple shadow
the scaling is different
but they both have diminishing returns
your first 10% penetration gives a larger boost to your overall dps than your second 10%, if you have 20%
harsh nova
yes but going from 2k armor to 4k armor isn't a double in defense
simple shadow
and going from 10% penetration to a 20% isnt a double in dps
harsh nova
didn't say it was, said that buckets effectiveness is doubled
gilded sphinx
1 res is 1% more dam
dense tendon
i havent looked at the armor formula but these games generally have linear ehp gains
gilded sphinx
didn't say it was, said that buckets effectiveness is doubled
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
harsh nova
that you have a 100% increase in that bucket...
gilded sphinx
again
what in the world are you trying to imply by that
in context of damage calculations
simple shadow
no not in last epoch
im just saying mathematically, with 0% pen you deal 1x damage, with 10% pen you deal 1.1x damage, with 20% you deal 1.2x damage, going from 1x to 1.1x is 10% more , going from 1.1x to 1.2x is about 9.1% more
gilded sphinx
if youre just making an observation that 20 is double 10, huray
???
how are you trying to apply that knowledge into le
alpine canopy
resistance is a bucket that gives 1% more damage per 1% ignore resistance....
Back to this. If you have 0% resistance reduction/penetration, what effect does that have on your DPS?
gilded sphinx
im just saying mathematically, with 0% pen you deal 1x damage, with 10% pen you...
yes fair if you look at it that way myb
harsh nova
Back to this. If you have 0% resistance reduction/penetration, what effect does...
1.00x
gilded sphinx
and now what is 10 pen
queen jungle
Reduction and penetration always confused the hell out of me ā I feel like they should have one or the other, not both
harsh nova
opposite sides of the same coin?
reduction is for incoming damage, penetration is for outgoing
alpine canopy
1.00x
That way you can always just look at relative increases/reductions to that value, and in the end damage calculation that number is multiplied to your overall damage, so you know the total effect on your DPS without having to know any other stats
simple shadow
but you can reduce enemy resistance as well as penetrate it
gilded sphinx
reduction can be mitigated by overcap, pen cannot is the difference there
alpine canopy
We're just looking at combined resistance reduction/penetration as the final actual resistance the enemy has being one bucket
gilded sphinx
i dont know if reduction applies before pen in LE? id assume so?
reduction and pen should be separate
harsh nova
there's no limit to ignoring enemy resistance that i know of
simple shadow
i think so because reduction are a debuff, right?
harsh nova
so wouldn't matter which comes first
alpine canopy
Resistance reductions/additions are applied, then resist cap is applied, then pen. But overall it just calculates to a single damage multiplier.
gilded sphinx
yes it would matter
alpine canopy
The "what is the enemy's effective resistance" bucket
simple shadow
and what value is that with 0pen and 0reduction
harsh nova
just dumps you out a value after both and you can have unlimited ignore resist unlike poe that doesn't let you put enemies in negative
harsh nova
not in poe2
alpine canopy
you can put enemies into negative in poe
iirc PoE2 you can't
simple shadow
poe2 L
gilded sphinx
poe2 irrelevant trash imp
hybrid turtle
Time to farm 3 LP Majasas again
simple shadow
daamn that shield is hot
harsh nova
attempt #34
gilded sphinx
Time to farm 3 LP Majasas again
holy huge
hybrid turtle
Courtesy of nemesis, as is tradition
gilded sphinx
seal necro pen go for DR block?
hybrid turtle
Already sealed affix
dense tendon
can we at least chaos it
spice portal
what did he hit you with
gonna try again, will tell you right away
hybrid turtle
can we at least chaos it
Sorry, I'm gonna keep the current FP for imprinting
fallow juniper
I've been too greedy and should have duplicated it but still a good one š
hybrid turtle
Maybe I'll make one later with %dr on block
spice portal
what did he hit you with
oblique hinge
ur suppose to avoid that lol. some builds can tank it tho
oblique hinge
you got it!
spice portal
pfff as if lol
hybrid turtle
Still waiting for nemesis to make me a multi exalt spear
So I can imprint that and go for something worthy of my 3 LP fractal tree
oblique hinge
pfff as if lol
Takes some practice depending on ur build. but if u got the dps to get him to last phase u can problay do it
spice portal
nah its like the first two seconds
hybrid turtle
Uh don't tank his big boi slams
spice portal
its the AOE from these slams that kills me
vapid badge
Anyone getting a weird collision bug with Abyssal Orbs from Devouring Orb? I swear they block me and I am just running in place
hybrid turtle
His timeshattering slam is a big aoe that slooowly moves outwards
spice portal
oh, I honestly thought they go allthe way across the map, ill try
dense tendon
i have had invisible walls in the troves map but idk if it's related to the orbs
spice portal
ok I made it further !
I guess Ill have to learn mech now, unlike regular abby
harsh nova
7.5k from triple flail š± ouch
dense tendon
do you just have 6100 hp
spice portal
I onlt have 3.5k hp, im not sure I will be able to do uber for another while
harsh nova
without red rings pretty sure flail cooks me š
spice portal
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOmePGJA
should I put my red rings ? I can try that
crude matrixBOT
dense tendon
why does the overkill damage text bug out here
ye i dont think you can play the game with ravenous and no cleanse
vapid badge
quiet hearth
by the power of moonwalk
vapid badge
yeah I submitted it. soft fix has been leaving the game but it just reappears sometimes
and makes me lose the echo sadly
hybrid turtle
i have had invisible walls in the troves map but idk if it's related to the orbs
It's not, have had that too and I'm a phys javadin
harsh nova
haven't seen that one yet
vapid badge
I had it happen to me during uber abberoth and I just got too mad to do it again
vapid badge
gonna see if the issue is WASD movement and just try mouse movement
hybrid turtle
Oh jesus yeah you're way too squishy for the triple flail attack
If you can tank that, then you're good on uberroth
spice portal
how can I improve ?
hybrid turtle
Tooons of things that need improving
hybrid turtle
Yeah that belt is not having a good time
harsh nova
like im bad at the game but bruh
hybrid turtle
Your flames of midnight also does nothing for you as it is besides pen, get a new one and slam
Your chest also needs replacing
Isn't hard to farm a new 2 LP titans heart
It's common both in drop rate and 2 LP chance, relatively
harsh nova
doesn't uberroth do a bunch of physical
hybrid turtle
Truth be told, Ammarath, ES VK is a very gear heavy build
You NEED a certain level of gear before it becomes that monstrous powerhouse you see in build guide vides
harsh nova
the woes of critical mass builds
hybrid turtle
Yeah, it's very much a critical mass build
silk wasp
This math ain't mathing. 45 Str should be 180% increased Armor. LE Tools only showing 116%
Ah, I just found the issue
silk wasp
@willow wedge Strength granted to characters from Master of Arms in the FG tree isn't applying to armor
dense tendon
is that a set affix on the helmet
silk wasp
It is, but it's not related
turbid dome
<@349260203134418946> Strength granted to characters from Master of Arms in the ...
huh
vapid badge
Ah, I just found the issue
what's the armor roll on your nihilis?
spice portal
lol omg what a roast, I get it guys ill git gud
silk wasp
It's a planner. None of this is my actual gear
hybrid turtle
lol omg what a roast, I get it guys ill git gud
Nah man, we ain't roasting you as much as your RNG, lol
spice portal
lol, kk back to farming i go
harsh nova
idk lol, best of the ones nemesis gave me
reliable to get a 1lp, probably wouldn't even take an hour
turbid dome
harsh nova
he has been friggen santa this season ima marry that boy
spice portal
I have 1lp, I'm not sure I have whatever need to go on it
spice portal
I was told hybrid last time :/
harsh nova
just plug it in LE planner see which gives you higher
you can import ur current build makes it super quick
spice portal
huh ok
turbid dome
if your madly stacking vitality I think % is always better
dense tendon
i think it's just vk that gets so much flat from the tree
harsh nova
for me it's not even close but im vit stacking so i wasn't sure if i was just getting way too much flat from that
harsh nova
yeah for 1lp other stats don't matter, if hybrid is better you could try and seal the other health and havoc over
turbid dome
just plug it in LE planner see which gives you higher
if you have 3000 max health before %increased, %increased is hella better than hybrid
assuming max roll T6 of both affixes on belt
hell even at 2k max health (before %increased) just straight %increased is better
spice portal
yeah idk how to plug a new belt in LE, imma just gonna smash 26% hp
dense tendon
i think you can assume t7 at this point
turbid dome
yeah I'm putting it into desmos
alpine canopy
if you have 3000 max health before %increased, %increased is hella better than h...
Yeah, for peeps stacking vit, %inc is probably going to be usually better than hybrid
dense tendon
though getting max rolled hybrid is kinda painful
willow wedge
<@349260203134418946> Strength granted to characters from Master of Arms in the ...
Yeah, conditional stat order is sometimes wonky. I'll look into that.
spice portal
whats next ?
silk wasp
Thanks
potent finch
hey y'all! i have a question regarding the Palarus sword (the one that has chance to smite on hit): it says that it can be casted up to 3 times per second, does dual wielding two up that limit to 6? or just ups the chance only?
dense tendon
that's the old belt
turbid dome
Yeah, for peeps stacking vit, %inc is probably going to be usually better than h...
yeah I'm just curious where the cut off point of %increased being better is
spice portal
that's the old belt
shit sorry
turbid dome
hey y'all! i have a question regarding the Palarus sword (the one that has chanc...
ups the chance, not the cap
spice portal
turbid dome
the dmg per 2 stat does stack fully
potent finch
ups the chance, not the cap
darn okay, whats a good way to calculate attacks-per-sec, (ideally finding out the break point for 6 attcks per sec)?
spice portal
flame of midnight - strength and flat hp ?
turbid dome
darn okay, whats a good way to calculate attacks-per-sec, (ideally finding out t...
great question, not sure
hybrid turtle
flame of midnight - strength and flat hp ?
Yes
gilded sphinx
Shit someone beat me to it
Sub 1 judgement aura video posted
Newborn making it hard to minmax
dense tendon
where is it
gilded sphinx
Lol it's actually the one from the ladder you found Duke
spice portal
sweet š
and thanks guys !
silk wasp
darn okay, whats a good way to calculate attacks-per-sec, (ideally finding out t...
Multiply your weapon's attack rate, your attack's base speed, and your attack speed modifier together. That should get you your attacks per second
spice portal
@hybrid turtle whats wrong with the chest ?
what can I do better ?
hybrid turtle
Well, t7 ES and t6-7 % health
harsh nova
havocs are the play
hybrid turtle
Yeah havocs
spice portal
its such a rare drop, I only got blues and yellows with that affix
and 1 t6
oh hell yeah I have one t7
harsh nova
you just put a high FP chest in with at least 1 t7 on it and then you just roll around until you find something you can use havoc to move over the t7
hybrid turtle
I want an item that gives me the ability that the fire lizards in the vault have
It'd be nerfed so fast if players could use it
gilded sphinx
spice portal
this acceptable you think ?
spice portal
k
gilded sphinx
faster than i even thought possible crazy kill
silk wasp
I want an item that gives me the ability that the fire lizards in the vault have
Those lizards have full t7 Ele DoT slams
gilded sphinx
you guys should watch that link. that's a clean ass fast kill
dense tendon
isnt that normal abberoth
gilded sphinx
no
harsh nova
frozen just said it is š
dense tendon
what's the timestamp for uber
gilded sphinx
actually maybe that is normal 1 moment
he has an uber kill maybe i posted wrong vbideo
that one
no he has a better kill one moment
wheres that video gone
spice portal
I falied the titan, need to farm more exalts
harsh nova
frozen has a clip of a sub 20 second duo kill with a paladin he's trying to figure out atm
he solos a duo uberroth
but it's from the carry POV
infinite negative mana ā ļø
gilded sphinx
yo they might have taken the video down already
dense tendon
he takes 4 stacks of the curse then the fight goes on for another 4 minutes nice
spice portal
wtf
silk wasp
lmao
hybrid turtle
Wait, does he use the smite is free node but with something that makes things take mana on the side?
harsh nova
harsh nova
Wait, does he use the smite is free node but with something that makes things ta...
yes
dense tendon
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ynVKzgEUz/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video...
is all this ward just from HH
harsh nova
when negative smite is free
hybrid turtle
I see
harsh nova
30k ward also
hybrid turtle
Does seem like it takes a while to stack tho
dense tendon
how do you keep losing mana at negative
hybrid turtle
Magic
harsh nova
i was half paying attention
gilded sphinx
is all this ward just from HH
yes HH gives a shit ton of ward
harsh nova
hybrid turtle
Ah so bug
harsh nova
judgement is doing the negative mana part
whatever interaction that is im not familiar
judgement gloves + foot and then judgement casting smite puts you in negative as much as you want
alpine canopy
how do you keep losing mana at negative
bugs
harsh nova
not bugged actually, just makes it faster with the foot
alpine canopy
Any interaction that lets you stack infinite negative mana is a bug / unintended
gilded sphinx
not a bug š wat
harsh nova
smite still costs mana node with judgement always worked like this?
this is old tech from before this patch isn't it
twilit jungle
Whats the least crit you need on a shattered for the VK build?
alpine canopy
probably is if that's all it is
harsh nova
foot for some reason is making smite cost 297 mana or whatever, so you don't have to spend 10 hours stacking it
now that's a bug
alpine canopy
even if it took you 10 hours to stack, it would be a bug
harsh nova
but smite removing the mana with the cast has always functioned like that yes?
dense tendon
i think people reach 100% crit without shattered anyway
twilit jungle
i think people reach 100% crit without shattered anyway
Really? Then a 2-3% base one should suffice then just to be sure
Do people care that much for effect of frenzy
Or do you want frenzy and attributes?
hybrid turtle
Hm what's the best for farming Flames of Midnight?
Normal abby or the 10 harby echo?
vapid badge
Hm what's the best for farming Flames of Midnight?
Just farm the echo that makes you fight the harbringer that already killed the boss in the timeline. Collapsing Horizon Woven Echo in Spirit of Fire timeline with maxed out item rarity modifier(outer edges of timeline)
twilit valley
Hm what's the best for farming Flames of Midnight?
Make it drop in spirits of fire . Then setup 10-30 collapsing horizon echo on map . Kill seconds . Hope for a lp3 or turtle all the lp 1
crude matrixBOT
spice portal
Yay I'm level 100!
hybrid turtle
Ay gz!
mental flare
Yeah was the plan
ey im running a similar build and i have a doubt about sierpin fractal tree. Would be worse to slam any spear with something that is NOT flat physical + % increased physical? i have a spear with crit multi and and % increased physical and i was wondering if that is worse
or maybe if the best combo is flat + crit multi?
tepid night
anyone who's killed Uber ABby, want to come help me kill him? I get so close each time, and I Just want to be set free from my prison of attempts?
hybrid turtle
ey im running a similar build and i have a doubt about sierpin fractal tree. Wou...
Honestly, if you have t7 %phys and t7% multi, that'd probably be better than what I have with just t5 flat
Because the flat on the spear gets halved by javelin before being multiplied by the added damage effectiveness
mental flare
i have this, not phys sadly
hybrid turtle
Probably not for phys fractal then
Wait I just did the math, even t5 multi is better than t5 flat phys
assuming you have around 175 flat throwing from other gear/passives and about 500% multi already
Yeah okay, t7 %phys and t7 %multi will also handily beat t7 %phys and t7 flat phys
And it's not even close
it's like 20% more damage for the one with multi
mental flare
nice one, ok i will praise for that double T7 or just going lightning javelin
zeus time
hybrid turtle
Alright, already had a spear with t7 phys and t6 multi, lol
mental flare
is there any substantial lost of dps if going lightning instead of pure phys?
hybrid turtle
You really want t7 %phys
Imagine you have 1000% damage total, losing nearly 400% of that from t7 %phys is humongous
mental flare
sorry didnt follow, why would i lose 400%?
hybrid turtle
If you don't use a spear with high %
Your spear has flat damage and multi
flat on weapon doesn't scale very strongly on javelin
mental flare
so T7 % dmg > flat dmg in this scenario?
hybrid turtle
Yes, very much so
Since you get so much throwing damage on gear
And that doesn't get penalized
mental flare
is there any useful calculator? like in last epoch tools or smt?
(in general, not for this case, i wonder)
hybrid turtle
Nope
blazing mulch
what about Slows Attackers
copper hawk
How does one combat the "-75% phys resistance" when using sulorons steps? Is it just....getting 150+?
mental flare
yes
copper hawk
Well ok then I'll start hunting
random nest
Which one, guys? Warpath Voidwalker
soft mason
As nice as the extra 35 melee void dmg is... I'd much rather have the crit multi, crit DR, and stun tbh. Stunning a boss and getting them to ignore doing a mechanic is really comfy
void laurel
So whats the strongest VK build atm?
gleaming seal
Do multiple instances of consecrated ground stack their damage?
alpine canopy
Do multiple instances of consecrated ground stack their damage?
Yes
dry basalt
Divine bolt enjoyer, which one do you prefer, cast speed or attack speed?
drowsy wren
Guys does melee damage boost erasure strike damage?
turbid dome
Guys does melee damage boost erasure strike damage?
Yes it boosts the melee part of erasing strike
You should be able to hover over the skill on your skill bar to see its scaling tags
turbid dome
lament star
Which one, guys? Warpath Voidwalker
Id go with first one for the big flat which translates into ms with darkstride
U alrdy get lots of crit multi. Flat is better imo
waxen nymph
what about Slows Attackers
Slow attackers isn't mentioned by the passive node, so it's useless
waxen nymph
Which one, guys? Warpath Voidwalker
Right one, less dmg than left probably, but crit DR free an affix or 2 for more hp
waxen nymph
So whats the strongest VK build atm?
Erasing Strike
fringe barn
Slammed like 150 uniques at turtle and it dropped me to 22 fps. Left the map and opened the chest and it gave me a crap ton of class affix shards...
dawn fulcrum
spark bay
neat crag
farm the nemesis tower
chilly peak
Hey guys, what is the best planner for javelin time rot ? I watch 3 differents planners but it's always with differences with lp item
shy condor
is oceareon better than flame of midnight for erasing strike?
quaint hearth
Void knight brothers, I need your help
I have Clotho Needle, but with low t6 flat void roll, is it still better than well-rolled 1 LP Apathy Maw?
The build Im playing is Rive VK.
coarse hound
is oceareon better than flame of midnight for erasing strike?
no
but it does allow u to use normal evade
oblique hinge
Road to 99k runes to see if theres a cap
hybrid turtle
I'd imagine the cap would be around 65k
quaint hearth
I'd imagine the cap would be around 65k
I don't think they are using UInt16 for runes
Most likely Int32/64
steady yew
Road to 99k runes to see if theres a cap
And I thought me having 1k shatter runes was a lot
steady yew
Divine bolt enjoyer, which one do you prefer, cast speed or attack speed?
More a fan of melee
steep trail
Road to 99k runes to see if theres a cap
bro, do you have 50 hours days instaid of 24?
damn
harsh nova
??
steady yew
Almost perfect roll too
spice portal
yesterday you guys were super helpful (after an initial roast lol), I smashed armor, ring, and belt
what else can I improve ?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owq4gE7Q
crude matrixBOT
spice portal
perfect thanks !
steep trail
hybrid health is better here
Vita for bossing and move speed for speed clearing
you dont need dmg over time, change this asap
spice portal
š«” thank you very much !
steep trail
this too change it for double mana or some void pen
void pen phys res i think
you're missing a few
happy to help @spice portal
@spice portal try to find an idol with echo dmg and shred armor
you dont have any in ur build atm
gilded sphinx
I've found 5 ravenous void and 9 3lp falcon fists and 0 3lp judgement gloves. Wtf is going on lmao the odds of this are so low
5 4lp gloves in there too
steep trail
where
gilded sphinx
Just 2m prophecy juice
steep trail
how
gilded sphinx
50 2lp judgement gloves that all went 0lp. 3lp gloves are a 1/55. Wild.
spice portal
thanks, gonna save this, its gonna take some time š
steady yew
How do you target red ring been looking for one since the beginning of the season with prophecies and nothing spent about 400k favor on it so far
harsh nova
200k avg for rr is all
arctic loom
is this a sign to switch to time rot build? lol wow. got it from echo reward
vapid badge
Finally hit 100 on my sentinel
steady yew
200k avg for rr is all
Yikes Iām that unlucky then š
vapid badge
I respecced quite a bit but now I'm a Erasing Strike VK trying to learn how to farm Uber Abberoth now
Quite a journey
steady yew
Time to farm for high ehp
vapid badge
I still need to farm exalted rings to slam for LP. Got 3LP siphon of anguish and 2lp flames of midnight but no luck on exalted rings yet
and I used up all my havocs trying to make good rings so far...
š
frigid zenith
First ub finally defeated! A pretty unique trophy:
Ub mah bro if you were going to drop a 1:30k chance item an LP3 vise would've been preferred š
thorny spoke
First ub finally defeated! A pretty unique trophy:
Congrats on uber
thorny spoke
is this a sign to switch to time rot build? lol wow. got it from echo reward
Yeah wow very nice.
inland vault
Hi , what minimum gear to kill Aberroth? With erasing strike
My best its, im dead in 20% of his hp
dense tendon
if you can get him to 20% you can probably kill him by playing it better and not getting terrible beam rng
inland vault
I tried 10 times, never killed him
steady yew
Whatās your gear?
young lynx
Just get more hp charms and make sure you can heal to full in one hit
steep trail
First ub finally defeated! A pretty unique trophy:
i never say 2lp let alone 3
steady yew
Main thing i have 450mana , feel sucks
W8 450 mana and you managed to put him to 20% hp ?
As ES
inland vault
Yea
vapid badge
are you using world splitter or are you using the 2h mace unique
and this is normal abberoth or uber
inland vault
World splitter
frigid zenith
i never say 2lp let alone 3
yeah it's LPL83 š
inland vault
Normal
vapid badge
I think you swapped to world splitter erasing strike too early
steady yew
450 is like 1/3 of an average ES build mana pull
inland vault
Well im lvl 99 , not early at all
vapid badge
if you can get it to 30% though, it genuinely is a skill issue
inland vault
Too late i would say for that lvl
vapid badge
Well im lvl 99 , not early at all
it's early cause you don't have the right gear for it
inland vault
What i need tho
frigid zenith
just some mana slammed on most of your gear would do a ton tbh
vapid badge
t7 mana rolls on helmet, gloves, amulet and relic
dense tendon
oh it's normal abberroth
vapid badge
would get you to 700ish mana which makes the build playable
inland vault
Can't find
vapid badge
1K mana is what you really want
steady yew
oh it's normal abberroth
Yeah was like wtf too
vapid badge
bro if you are getting it to 30% just stop trying to face tank laser with leech cause the frailty stacks make it so you eventually do no damage so no leech
there is no reason you cannot kill normal if you get it that low
oh you said you got it to 20% but my point still stands
I think the orb void puddles also stack frailty if I am not mistaken
frigid zenith
Can't find
farm in my man, or craft
at lv 99 no reason you can't get some T5 mana at least
inland vault
I found mana , just can't find 1lp items
frigid zenith
might even want to use the exalts as is at this point
rather than 0LP gear with no mana
1LP anchor should be easy to target farm
inland vault
Let me setup planer really quick
vapid badge
If you are merchant's guild, you just buy the 1LP items and the t7 mana gear. if you are CoF, you can easily farm 1LP with Nemesis and get t7 mana with weaver imprints and runes of havoc/runes of redemption
inland vault
CoF
vapid badge
yeah I am CoF and just farmed it myself
steady yew
CoF
Get a bunch of prophecies on 1 item until you get it and work your way to good slam
Or 1lp
inland vault
Somebody have good passive tree?
vapid badge
I stood in pool and laser on purpose to show you the frailty stacks on the bottom right. Doing no damage what so ever to normal abberoth. The moment the stacks fall off and I hit them, he dies
don't tank void pool and laser. Only thing I can think of making you lose at final phase
dense tendon
can you remove debuffs by turning immune with hh btw
vapid badge
This is my usual damage on normal abberoth. No sitting in void pools or lasers.
winter copper
can you remove debuffs by turning immune with hh btw
no u cant
inland vault
What's better, % health or just number?
frigid zenith
% usually
turbid dome
So 37% better than 260 health?
Depends on how much flat health you already have
vapid badge
It depends. On VK, there is an argument percent is better since you can get a lot of flat health with Vitality stacking
inland vault
T7 both stats
turbid dome
On body armor?
inland vault
Yea
turbid dome
Go %
turbid dome
It depends. On VK, there is an argument percent is better since you can get a lo...
You only need like 2k-ish flat health for increased to be equal to flat
*assuming same tier and roll on the same slot
But given sentinel and especially VK ends up with a giant pile of flat health by existing
% š
inland vault
Anchor of oblivion good?
inland vault
So i can add mana to anchor?
turbid dome
If your doing erasing strike, I would
inland vault
Okay
Somebody have link for good planer ,where i can copy passive and skills points?
soft mason
For Erasing Strike? Here's my current setup
been playing around with and without Avatar of Regret.
Feeling like i don't really want it, as much as the extra echo chance (and crit chance from higher mana cost? idk about this interaction) is
I think i'd rather have more Void Penetration
Also choosing between three different helms...
Have a Leonine with T7 Mana and like t1/t1/t4 others affixes (health, devouring orb, etc) which I would drop points from Blind in Pally tree and add more HP or Resist... and then Seed (2LP with Mana, but rolled Cold Res instead of %HP or +HP) or the currently equipped Helm (LP3 Decayed Skull with awful armor rolls)
steep trail
@vapid badge can you share ur build ? i want to inspect
soft mason
Somebody have link for good planer ,where i can copy passive and skills points?
also i use 2/3 in Time Loop, but if you dont have a lot of Mana yet, I would drop to 1
vapid badge
<@1025041972894892054> can you share ur build ? i want to inspect
Yeah I just need to figure out how to add my build on lastepochtools
steep trail
soft mason
Characer Profiles: then use account name & Character name
steep trail
acount name
mental flare
glyph of envy do not work on base monoliths?
soft mason
Account name is not your Steam ID. Try logging into Last Epoch webpage to show you what it is
vapid badge
crude matrixBOT
vapid badge
I hope I did it right
I still have not slammed my rings yet
No good exalted rings so far for me
soft mason
Yeah, prophecy farming is kind of a pain, but the best way forward
10x rings per boss kill, nemesis kill, exiled mage, etc
steep trail
its will come, the problem is not having proper idols
soft mason
every couple hundred rings or so, red text
steep trail
theres a lot of missing dmg there
change these asap
you cof or market ? @vapid badge
vapid badge
I am CoF. It is just what I have for now
I know what I need I just don't have the gear for it yet lol
Just farming away
steep trail
okay, good luck ^^
vapid badge
CoF is quite the grind but I love how ssf friendly the crafting system is in Last Epoch
The forging system is good but adding nemesis and woven echoes just made it so much better
turbid dome
Yea
spice portal
Yea
inland vault
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olkkM6GB what i should upgrade next
crude matrixBOT
spice portal
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olkkM6GB what i should upgrade next
as im often in a similar position, Id go for the chest next
vapid badge
No +4 erasing strike on chest?
spice portal
put strength and hp on rings
but i'd do the chest next
inland vault
No +4 erasing strike on chest?
No, never found one
spice portal
put it in your filter, and try to havoc it
inland vault
put strength and hp on rings
but i'd do the chest next
What need with chest ?
vapid badge
No, never found one
You can use any chest with open prefix and any T7, use rune of havoc to swap T7 to erasing strike
spice portal
preferably +4 ES and hp%
inland vault
0 rune of havoc
spice portal
ayy start farming, go get prophecies
vapid badge
Rhyme/Reason/Runes lenses and find generic Runesx22 prophecies that you don't mind doing
spice portal
havoc and redemption are 110% needed for end game
inland vault
Shattered chains good ?
turbid dome
Yes
inland vault
What i need add here
turbid dome
Assuming you have a source of doom chance
inland vault
24% health okay, to belt?
steep trail
get urself echo dmg and void dmg idol, and another one with shred instaid of coid mele dmg
thats a big upgrade
turbid dome
24% health okay, to belt?
Yea
steep trail
@inland vault
inland vault
?
steep trail
get urself echo dmg and void dmg idol, and another one with shred instaid of coi...
^^
steep trail
if you're COF get a ton of ornate idol prophecies
inland vault
I have max weaver 50 points
steep trail
and you will have it really quick
spice portal
check your loot foilter
steep trail
yes, if you never found it, maybe ur filter is removing it
inland vault
My filter very simple
steep trail
at lvl 99 you should have at least 3 dropepd already
spice portal
Yea
spice portal
i
steep trail
turbid dome
Thatās what they look like after enchanting them
steep trail
they should look brown
inland vault
Echo damage and mele void damage
steep trail
yup
turbid dome
Or replace it with 2 +5 vitality idols
steep trail
and another one with shred instaid of void
turbid dome
inland vault
Maybe i found it , but shiet roll , so I've not picked up
soft mason
any roll is better than cold dmg
spice portal
does redemtion works if there are 2 T7 ?
soft mason
just make sure your loot filter emphasizes the items with the right affixes
pick them all up and put in a idol tab
then review em all and see which two are best
inland vault
steep trail
^
inland vault
That's my filter
turbid dome
does redemtion works if there are 2 T7 ?
If thatās the reroll exalted, they both get turned into a random exalted affix
soft mason
idk how tiers work for idols
soft mason
yeah, i dont think they will get recolored or hidden based on that screenshot
just shows every idol ever
spice portal
which you eventually ignore
inland vault
So i need filter for idols as well seems
steep trail
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/0g5ta0n3#2
@inland vault dont overthink it, some ppl already made good filters, like the one i just linked
inland vault
Ok let me see
soft mason
i would hide all,
show small idols with HP, Mana, Void Pen
show other idols with Vitality (2x1 size), Echo dmg, melee void dmg, shred
spice portal
yeah but you should learn to work with it, as it often being fine tuned according to your needs
soft mason
or what MoE said is easy
i started with Raxx's outline, then replaced each setting with what i needed for ES VK & Judg Pala
viscid garnet
+1 Raxx' filter is goated
soft mason
then helps to know how to go back in and refine
inland vault
<@944594590156071023> dont overthink it, some ppl already made good filters, li...
Its said generate loot filter
steep trail
yea
now you paste it in game
it will make one for what the build needs in real time
steep trail
use strict and then upgrade from there
marsh belfry
witch one for ES I know 3LP is pritty rare but im affraid il be less tanky
spice portal
lol moe against rng
marsh belfry
Yeaaaa .. but I dont wanne grind weeks for a perfect exalted
turbid dome
witch one for ES I know 3LP is pritty rare but im affraid il be less tanky
I would wait till I have a hat with multiple exalted affixes to slam
turbid dome
If I see a 3 lp legendary seed with +3 attunement Iām slapping someone
marsh belfry
barren spire
Dupe it or pump hybrid? :3
steep trail
jesus
marsh belfry
What about this vs a good rolled 1LP one
mental flare
hard
turbid dome
Dupe it or pump hybrid? :3
Are ya feeling lucky
barren spire
Are ya feeling lucky
Who knows xD
turbid dome
Who knows xD
Go for the hybrid slam, no balls
marsh belfry
I mean I did 60 normals yesterday in one setting I was presistent xD
steep trail
damn
marsh belfry
3x 2LP Null also
steep trail
^ streamer client confirmed
barren spire
Go for the hybrid slam, no balls
turbid dome
Might as well make it T5
marsh belfry
to bad I cant beat uberoth on my paladin it takes way to long and its way to hard at last phase
turbid dome
Also lol 3 crafts and no fp lost
marsh belfry
did not try on ES yet
barren spire
turbid dome
steep trail
did not try on ES yet
how much time does normal take you?
turbid dome
Truly a tale of inspiration
barren spire
<:Gregory:1328320850675630224>
I need a 3 LP belt now ffs xD
turbid dome
You best be making an offering to Lady Luck
turbid dome
I need a 3 LP belt now ffs xD
Real
marsh belfry
Idk il time it one moment
inland vault
What woven echos good for farm ?
turbid dome
The one that only drops sentinel gear is always good
Its description says āgear for a great sentinelā or something along those lines
I forget the echos name
marsh belfry
how much time does normal take you?
25s
spice portal
interesting, I never tried it, maybe like a random once or twice
steep trail
you can kill him, if you evade enough
turbid dome
Thereās also the false temple Strat to just go crazy farming only false temple
inland vault
The one that only drops sentinel gear is always good
Can't find that echo
marsh belfry
3879HP atm with MS Boots maybe put on T7 hybrid health on another pair?
spice portal
its called beseiged gardens
turbid dome
This one
steep trail
3879HP atm with MS Boots maybe put on T7 hybrid health on another pair?
vita is best
you get hp and more dmg