🔱┃sentinel

[past zealot]

well dont Need but its quite good

[vivid talon]

I'm more interested in electrify selfcast smite than devotion selfcast smite right now

[past zealot]

void fissure and void beams looks silly but probably bait

without the lightning dot mod from paladin fissure seems pretty useless for the other dmg types

[hallow knoll]

I mean I always used devotion in my electrify smite builds anyway

[vivid talon]

yeah I guess

[past zealot]

devotion is good even on builds that arent smite for the double lightning pen

[vivid talon]

would be nice to give it a miss though honestly

[harsh nova]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy8V5aYB be my season start plan for now

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 3,099, Regen: 108.9/s
▸ Mana: 204.74, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 55%, Regen: 33/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 67 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 61% / 86% / 41% / 41% / 88% / 128%
▸ EHP: 6,288 / 7,167 / 7,640 / 7,736 / 7,571 / 7,710 / 7,710

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 688
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,961)
▸ Block Chance: 65%, Mitigation: 44% (1,596)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy, Void Essence (1/3)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (22)
• Smite (22)
• Devouring Orb (22)
• Shield Rush (22)
• Abyssal Echoes (22)

Used unique items:

• Countenance of Majasa
• Nihilis
• Phantom Grip
• Immortal Vise
• Darkstride
• Vessel of Strife
• Phantom Grip

[hallow knoll]

more cast speed = more electrify stacks so ye

[harsh nova]

still need to adjust the tree a bit and whatnot didn't min/ max to the gills

[hallow knoll]

and ofc lightning pen is always good to have

however I agree it'd be nice to not need it, the devotion playstyle is bad

[past zealot]

vessel of strife for the void spell stats is one of the funniest things ever

[cobalt blade]

Again. Go away Nacho

[past zealot]

i forgot that was even on the item

[harsh nova]

hey hey buddy

you get to deal with my booty for another season 🪕

[harsh nova]

hopefully the ward is worth it

see how it plays out

dunno how overtuned for crit i am either cba doing math 🥹

cross that bridge when we get there

+6% base crit in multi strike tree is insane

like wtf

[hallow knoll]

I'm pretty interested in trying Vessel of Strife eventually but Titan Heart is too stronk paired with Bleeding Heart for Javelin builds

[harsh nova]

1h might actually be viable for vk finally

if we can effectively build crit

there's so much crit multi in vk love it

😂

[hallow knoll]

Naturally they'd give VK more base crit than Paladin

They just want Paladin to be the electrify mastery

[clever hazel]

weak, my electrify paladin has more crit multi than you

[hallow knoll]

almost twins

[harsh nova]

skill trees give sooooooooooooo much more also it's crazy

+100% on 1 node like bruh

[hallow knoll]

honestly I might need to spec into more defense because my electrify dps is pretty insane if I did the math right

[harsh nova]

defense is always the most limiting factor of a build

if they can't kill you your dps is just qol at that point

regen is going to actually be insane this patch

[hallow knoll]

well for a 2h build my EHP looks fine, 19k for phys hits and 10-12k for other hits

[harsh nova]

chip damage won't feel so bad thankfully

[hallow knoll]

the main weakness is dot damage since it remains to be seen if dots will be scary or not with the nerfs

[harsh nova]

dots aren't scary if you can regen through them

[clever hazel]

I'm at ~12m DPS after calculating everything, ~29K EHP vs phys one-shots, ~18K vs elemental, ~11.5K vs DoTs

[harsh nova]

until i see how much stable ward ill make won't know my ehp

[hallow knoll]

the electrify ticks are gonna be dumb

[clever hazel]

could get more damage if I used static shell instead of titan heart, bit less tanky though

[harsh nova]

with all the extra layers of mitigation we have titan heart went way up in value

mitigation the one stat that increases in value the more you invest instead of diminishing

[clever hazel]

oh also using grips of the blood mage for 25% less hit damage taken, not calculated anywhere

immortal vise would be better but I'm not holding my breath on uber abberoth chase loot

[harsh nova]

going from 0-> 15% mit is 15% gain but going from 70-> 85% is literally doubling your ehp

so glad we actually have some layers to play with finally

[clever hazel]

I mean.. sure, but none of your defensive sources scale additively lol

[harsh nova]

ur base starting damage after resist is already 25%

[clever hazel]

getting 10% more EHP is just as hard regardless of where you are on the curve

[harsh nova]

not true

[hallow knoll]

I'm trying to not put gear on my planner that will take too long to acquire tbh, the grips of the blood mage sound insane

[clever hazel]

and no it isn't monsters have 75% penetration lol

[silk cedar]

Yeah it's all multiplicative so you would need 50% mit to go from 70% to 85% total mit

[harsh nova]

mitigation becomes easier you get the more you invest because of the perceived damage you are taking decreases by large % with every layer

[clever hazel]

like if you had an item that gave 50% less damage taken, it's always going to double your EHP, no matter what any of your other DR sources are

[harsh nova]

if it was multiplicitive sure, which it isn't so it depends on where it comes in the process of mitigation

[clever hazel]

it literally is multiplicative, what are you talking about lol

[harsh nova]

sorry meant additive 😂

[clever hazel]

there aren't any sources that work in a different way

armor has a curve I guess, but that's just psuedo-multiplicative

[silk cedar]

Different sources of mitigation are all multiplicative with eachother

[harsh nova]

increase damage for instance is a diminishing return curve because your pool of base increase damage impacts it, mitigation is the opposite where your remaining pool of damage you are taking is what you are weighting against

so you continue to increase in value as you invest

[clever hazel]

you should really give specific examples because I feel like you're fundamentally misunderstanding how damage reduction works and idk how to explain it generically

[analog steppe]

there are no additive sources of mitigation, you always get the same amount regardless of how much you have

[harsh nova]

the next 15% is higher value than the previous 15% of mitigation

[analog steppe]

absolutely wrong

[harsh nova]

going from 80-> 85% mitigation is less value than going from 85 -> 90%

[clever hazel]

this, there are no sources of 15% dr that work the way you just described

[harsh nova]

because your perceived damage goes from 20-15% vs 15-> 10%

[analog steppe]

nothing in the game works that way

[harsh nova]

so you gain 25% mitigation vs 33%

the next 5% would be 100%

going from 90 -> 95% mitigation would double your ehp

[clever hazel]

if you have 15% DR, and add another source of 15% DR, you're now taking x * 0.85 * 0.85 damage

[silk cedar]

Yes but you need 33% dr to do that instead of 25% dr

[harsh nova]

and then going form 95 -> 97.5% would double your ehp again

so as you invest, the % of return gets higher and higher

[clever hazel]

...

[harsh nova]

this is how mitigation curve works in any game

[analog steppe]

you are just saying numbers without understanding anything

[harsh nova]

not at all

[silk cedar]

In order to go from 95% total mitigation to 97.5% you would need another 50% dr

[harsh nova]

correct

[analog steppe]

therefore that 50% is the same value as a 50% at any other point in the curve

[harsh nova]

compared to increase damage it's still increase value to your last % of mitigation

[clever hazel]

you're describing multiplicative DR as if it gets stronger the more of it you have which is complete nonsense

[harsh nova]

not a decreased value

it is because of perceived damage returns 😂

this is how max res works in every game homie

damage mitigation follows the same curve

[silk cedar]

So where is the extra value? That 50% dr always cuts the damage in half.

Max res is different because it's additive

[analog steppe]

Max Res in PoE is Additive, nothing in LE is Additive

[clever hazel]

a character with 50% DR adding another source of 50% DR goes to 75% DR
a character with 95% DR adding a source of 50% DR goes to 97.5% DR
both characters have gained the exact same amount of EHP, neither character is gaining "more perceived value" from anything here

[analog steppe]

even Resists in LE are not Additive effectively due to the monster penetration

[harsh nova]

damage mitigation goes through each layer at a time still, you mitigation 15% of 100% then you mitigate the next 10% of the remaining 85%

starting at base 90 instead of 75 doesn't change this

your mitigation would then apply after your max res

but going from 75 -> 90 max res is almost a 400% swing in ehp

because of the reduced percieved damage

[analog steppe]

You cannot do this in LE so stop using it as an example

[silk cedar]

If you ignore penetration yeah, and you can't do that in LE

[clever hazel]

sure, and that's not a stat that exists in this game so idk what your point is

[harsh nova]

it doesn't change starting at 75 or 90

[clever hazel]

and yeah, even if it did exist, mobs have 75% penetration

[harsh nova]

your percieved damage is still base 25%

and then your mitigation goes through that

[clever hazel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/resistances

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/penetrations

[analog steppe]

You clearly fundamentally do not understand resistance in LE

[sullen jolt]

warpath will be okk for an old noob with skill issues - to take somewhat to the endgae? I also like paladin a lot /hammers, javelin/ but wanted to go ww this time - on what sublass?

[clever hazel]

"Enemies gain 1% penetration per area level, capped at 75% in areas level 75 and above. Overcapping resistances above 75% does not help mitigating this penetration."

[harsh nova]

so if you have 15% of 25% and then 15% of the remaining 85% from the mitigation

[silk cedar]

The entire premise of going from 75 to 90 being better than 0 to 15 is because you are ADDING 15% on top of existing mitigation. Multiplicative DR does not work that way

[clever hazel]

There is literally no context in LE where resistances are making you take 25% damage

[harsh nova]

yeah so if ur res doesn't matter then you have 100% base start the math still doesn't change from the core

your are again just moving the start %

doesn't change how mitigation works even in the slightest

you will still continue to get increase returns

[clever hazel]

and going from 75% to 90% max resistance, if that was a thing in LE (it isn't) would not give you 400% EHP or whatever, because again, mobs have 75% penetration baseline

you would be going from 0% less damage taken to 15% less damage taken, if you somehow gained +15% max res in LE

[harsh nova]

perceived damage taken is the number you are all ignoring

[clever hazel]

we're not ignoring anything, you're just trying to apply path of exile nonsense or something to this game when it's completely wrong here

[harsh nova]

the amount of perceived damage you are currently taking and how much the next layer of mitigation will affect that will show your change in ehp swing

this isn't path of exile bullshit

literally reached 1100c with rive last patch

i know exactly what i'm talking about you can just drop that shit

[clever hazel]

Ok, so just to clarify, you do understand that monsters have 75% penetration right
and that means if they deal X damage base, and you have 75% resistance, you take X damage, not 0.25 * X, right?

[silk cedar]

50% multiplicative DR is ALWAYS worth 100% more ehp no matter what your other sources of DR are

Doubling your ehp is worth more ehp in absolute terms if you have higher ehp to begin with. But it is not increasing returns in terms of getting more % reduction

[harsh nova]

damage mitigation curve is the same no matter if you start at 0 or at 90

[clever hazel]

you've said at least 3 times now that you're "taking 25% damage after resistances" which is completely wrong

[harsh nova]

"if"

like cmon bro

it's literally just an example like you asked for

you want to split hairs like a child cmon now

start at 0 then it doesn't change anything

[clever hazel]

I asked for examples because I wanted a real example, not made up nonsense lol

list the items you're comparing and the DR sources

[harsh nova]

that's how curves work for damage mitigation you look at your % change in perceived damage

this is true for any game

literally any mitigation curve system

[clever hazel]

yes, and my perceived damage taken always goes down by half when I equip a 50% DR item

it doesn't matter where you are on the "curve"

[harsh nova]

yes and going from 80 -> 60% mitigation is more value than going from 100 -> 80%, no matter how you got there

[clever hazel]

the only time there is a curve is with armor, because it has steep diminishing returns

[silk cedar]

Yes but it also REQUIRES MORE MITIGATION

[harsh nova]

yep it does

[clever hazel]

which makes the entire distinction meaningless

[harsh nova]

unlike increase damage which is a far faster diminishing return pool

[wheat light]

Block/Dodge "mitigation" doesn't diminish at least

[silk cedar]

So 10% mitigation on a passive or piece of gear is the exact same % damage reduction no matter how much mitigation you already have

So there is no increasing returns

[harsh nova]

there are no diminishing returns it's continues to scale value

[short viper]

i feel like this is just another diminishing returns mishap, everything technically has diminishing returns, armor is different because it also has a soft cap. this discussion happened at least once a week last time i was active

[clever hazel]

just as a reminder, your original point was:

with all the extra layers of mitigation we have titan heart went way up in value
which I have to emphasize is complete nonsense
titan heart's 15% less damage taken always increases your EHP by the exact same relative amount, it does not become weaker or stronger at any point on this "curve"

[harsh nova]

it does because there are breakpoints of damage 1 shots in the game

once you reach the point the rest doesn't matter

[clever hazel]

idk what your point even is now

[silk cedar]

Okay, what's the breakpoint?

[dusty briar]

just kiss already

[harsh nova]

once we have uber aberoth numbers we'll know

[wheat light]

What flavor of electrify you going lothrik

[gloomy jasper]

Seconded

[clever hazel]

15% less damage taken means 15% less damage taken, meaning you can push corruption higher, it is not additive with anything so the value never changes

additive maximum resistances are an example of a stat that DOES become stronger the more of it you have

[harsh nova]

unlike all the other stats you can scale in the game you have diminishing returns massively, mitigation continues to give you value every layer you add by the expected amount, changing 1% crit multi doesn't help like 15% damage mitigation

[wheat light]

Which is why I like LE resistance over poe

Also I'm pretty sure this nacho guy is being obtuse/pedantic just to argue

[clever hazel]

javelin + smite paladin, tu'rani's bident

[wheat light]

Noice

I wonder how high I'll be able to stack electrify

Gonna have to get lucky with all the electrify duration idol enchants

[clever hazel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2GenRDQ is my planner, and I've calculated basically everything except that lol

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (25) / Paladin (63)

General:

▸ Health: 5,521, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 215.61, Regen: 12.7/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 46 Str / 15 Dex / 21 Int / 19 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 76% / 122% / 74% / 78% / 79% / 72%
▸ EHP: 18,278 / 18,278 / 18,278 / 29,946 / 19,240 / 18,278 / 17,745

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,248
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,370)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Swiftness, Tu'rani's Thunder (10), Divine Essence (3/3), Frenzy, Haste, Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (4/4,Passive), Water Orb (9/9)

Used skills:

• Smite (24)
• Javelin (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Tu'rani's Bident
• Grasp of the Blood Mage
• Orian's Descent
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Bleeding Heart
• Ucenui's Sphere
• Razorfall

[clever hazel]

some of the items I have equipped in that planner are unreasonable, just have the stats there for reference

[wheat light]

Yeah I'm going multi strike/HH variant

[mossy glacier]

How does smite fit into the javelin rotation? Is it auto-casted?

[hallow knoll]

from idols yeah

[clever hazel]

idols yep

[mossy glacier]

Nice. Thinking either multi strike smite or javelin smite

[wheat light]

With max attack speed rolls I think I can get like 15 smites per second. Not counting smite belt

[mossy glacier]

Both seem fun

[clever hazel]

I tried multistrike smite offline like a week ago, seemed decent

[gusty bronze]

for shield throw does each ricochet apply ignite?

[hallow knoll]

I'm gonna be trying both but javelin smite will be my starter

[clever hazel]

not really a huge fan of melee though, annoying needing to run up to every pack of mobs

[wheat light]

It's gonna get carried by blade master

[hallow knoll]

the multistrike changes seem pretty good though

[mossy glacier]

Can you level with the javelin smite? I imagine it will be difficult to get those idols as a starter

[wheat light]

Well the healing hands prolif node is insane for clear

[clever hazel]

I'm just going to level with rive + healing hands

giga damage + effectively immortal

[wheat light]

This is the way

[hallow knoll]

you don't need the smite idols for the build to be great imo, you just really need - mana cost to throwing attacks on rings

[wheat light]

Swap once you get a few good items

[real patrol]

its too bad they never removed the attack speed penalty on seraph blade

no reason to have that penalty at all

[hallow knoll]

it's definitely not something you'd play from the start

[clever hazel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olGkKXqB is the other build I've been considering, I have absolutely no clue how much damage it does though

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (85)

General:

▸ Health: 1,327, Regen: 67.23/s
▸ Mana: 271.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 39/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 4 Dex / 4 Int / 73 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 245% / 103% / 113% / 107% / 133% / 98% / 93%
▸ EHP: 30,586 / 30,586 / 30,586 / 44,858 / 32,196 / 30,586 / 30,586

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 653
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,927)
▸ Block Chance: 76%, Mitigation: 40% (1,290)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Immolator's Oblation (20/20), Divine Essence (3/3), Frenzy, Haste, Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (24)
• Javelin (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Dark Shroud of Cinders
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Countenance of Majasa
• Hand of Judgement
• Immolator's Oblation
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Ashes of Mortality
• Ashes of Mortality
• Soulfire
• Throne of Ambition

[clever hazel]

damn that bot is ruthless

[wheat light]

I'm hoping I get an early aurelis or light so I can maybe do some of the campaign as multi strike

Honestly with wasd melee should feel better

(i hope)

[hallow knoll]

I don't mind melee when you have good aoe clear, the smite stuff with multistrike should feel good

[dusty briar]

I was also looking at javalin pali for s2, my only concern is getting the 3-4 adorned rahyeh idols
are we getting a better way to target farm idols other than the mono passive (and MG)?
or is there already a decent way? (I haven't played since very start of s1)

[wheat light]

Also having just ok clear is fine if you have giga boss dmg plus being unkillable

Check the weaver tree

[hallow knoll]

will probably be easy to get idols if you spec into the loot lizards in the weaver tree tbh

[wheat light]

Maybe champions can drop a ton of idols too?

[robust lake]

they be spawning lizards so for sure

[wheat light]

Honestly champions sound better since you actually have to fight them vs lizards just running

[clever hazel]

tbh smite idols aren't that hard to get, it just feels that way early on when you have none of them and don't have your blessings yet

[robust lake]

cries in bleed duration and dot large idols

[peak hollow]

I'm gonna play atk speed erasing strike machine gun VK

[gloomy jasper]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbDwRZDo

first attempt multi strike smite HH electrify, never been good at the itemization part haha

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Paladin (78)

General:

▸ Health: 1,627, Regen: 218.99/s
▸ Mana: 168.98, Regen: 11.17/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 63% / 93% / 20% / 20% / 42% / 31%
▸ EHP: 2,539 / 2,539 / 2,844 / 2,010 / 1,931 / 2,138 / 1,975

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 779
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (172)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 12% (326)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (4/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (23)
• Smite (23)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Holy Aura (21)
• Healing Hands (21)

Used unique items:

• Aurelis
• Weaver's Gift
• Wing Guards
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[wheat light]

Honestly it's probably better to go shield. The gain absurd ehp without losing too much dmg

Especially with the new majasa shield being farmable

[gloomy jasper]

It was a thought as well yeah, probably mock that up as well

[wheat light]

Melee ailment builds need a ton of defense

[hallow knoll]

melee in general tbh

[clever hazel]

it's crazy to me that majasa shield got added to the game as-is lol

best possible base, easy to get LP on, and godly unique stats

[wheat light]

Yeah shield users eating good

Honestly one of the reasons that pushing me to CoF

Just gotta accept I'll never get a 4lp aurelis

[clever hazel]

1 in 146K is pretty bad odds 🤣

[heady pumice]

Am i the only who thinks the sentinel leveling guide on like maxroll is lack luster? like leaning into that javelin holy trail for leveling

[clever hazel]

holy trail is ok combined with lunge - pilum assault, I'm not really a fan of it mechanically though

[heady pumice]

Like I leaned right into forge strike pretty early and and after like level 25 you start one shotting literally everything with a decent area attack and keep spawning minions that kills alot of stuff while moving around

if you go forge guard

[dusty briar]

I did a test speedrun with rive, which the maxroll guide uses but eventually switches out
it worked pretty well, and that's pre buff
I got lucky with decent drops but I cleared to monos with just rive spam + lunge

pretty set on pali but I do wanna try buffed forge guard now lol

[amber solstice]

After POE2 you can level naked here and still finish. I would play whatever you want/feel like for leveling

[mystic isle]

Am I the only one that thinks Majassa shield is bait? Good luck getting LP3-4. LP1-2 just worse than exalted, LP-3 even arguably worse imo

[hallow knoll]

I don't think it's bait but I don't really think it's as busted as people are claiming

[heady pumice]

Sure, I just found it weird that they lean into an ability with a small clear radius. I guess maybe they just ignore monsters and just rush bosses which the ability is absolutely fine for. but I still leveled way faster just going into forge strike and instead of trying to get damage over time and healing effectiveness on every piece of gear

[amber solstice]

depends what is leveling for you

until 70/80

or clearing campaign

[analog haven]

What is LP1-4?

[mystic isle]

Legendary Potential. Number of affixes you can put on a unique item

[analog haven]

Oh I see, thanks

Gotta read up on end game crafting

[heady pumice]

up to 70

so campaign included

[gusty bronze]

uh, Does lava burst scale with att or str/dex?

[amber solstice]

since campaign you just run through

and are done in 2 hours

so you dont need some screenwide big ass aoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxi5Km09zPo

[arctic tartan]

You can check such things on lastepochtools.com.
The tags tell you what lava burst scales off: Fire damage (that is fire damage, added fire damage to spells, spell fire damage, but not melee fire damage), Spell damage, Area and Attunement

[gusty bronze]

got it ty, just feels strange its attunement, since its from ST. Though I guess it makes sense since the Smite is also on attunement.

working on a lava burst build with the new idols

[slim spire]

What's the best build to break this multistrike node? Smite want spell damage, ignite doesn't want melee, anything else?

[arctic tartan]

Is there a way to break this? Like ... If you run multistrike for its damage you take this for 90% more?

(+ a bit of bleed chance)

[slim spire]

I mean is there an archetype specific for that?

[arctic tartan]

A multistrike attack build? No idea, but I'd assume you could somehow build into that.

[gloomy jasper]

There’s the armor stack node as well for like 100% more w/ enough armor

[polar spire]

its a bit different offline because of the bladestorm node, but i also didnt realize that the current bladestorm + the node right before smite, lets you smack the air in front of an enemy to smite it lol, so essentially the new bladestorm is just that but you can actually smack the enemy

[gloomy jasper]

AFAIK new blade storm can multi hit on one target as well

[polar spire]

yup, new bladestorm actually lets you HIT the enemy, old one you couldnt hit them, but you could hit the air in front of them to hit them

these 2 together = smacking the air in front of enemies and it builds stacks, funny enough

the new one, you can just smack the enemy

[gloomy jasper]

I misspoke, it is my understanding that new blade storm can hit the same target like 2,3,4 time depending on your number of stacks and whatnot, but old multistrike could only hit a target once from either the main strike or one of the extras, unless I’m misunderstanding something (not unlikely)

[polar spire]

no no, you're right, new bladestorm lets you focus all the blades/smites on your main target, as long as other enemies arent nearby

new bladestorm

its basically just built in aurelis

in a way

[slim spire]

This too. Goddamn there are so much MORE for max stack multiattack

[waxen nymph]

That's not how it works

[strong plume]

I'm not going to make a build/planner for this, BUT, if anyone wants something to "cook" here's another Shield Throw idea I am having:

Ward Stacker Shield Throw Paladin:

Cleaver + Bastion of Honour (Stack STR get INT ward retention)
Holy Aura + Symbols of Hope Ward Conversion

Strength is also a large portion of our damage as we over-cap Strength and Bastion of Honour converts our 180+ STR into 180+% Block Chance for Shield Throws "Hit" More Damage multiplier

Then you can focus your passives on other areas to get more EHP and Damage.

Holy Aura's Ward Gained on Block + RoS can net us a nice Ward return, as well.

Probably use:

Ring of Shields

Healing Hands (Traversal)

Symbols of Hope

Holy Aura

Shield Throw

You could also pickup Razorfall to supplement the +2 throwing skill points we lose from not taking the ST shield if needed the Passive Points.

[slim spire]

And I don't think bladestorm consume the stacks

[arctic tartan]

What did I get wrong?

[waxen nymph]

I know but that's irrelevant because that's not how the game work
Lava Burst is a subskill. Let's take Shield Throw and Lava Burst as example for the general rule.
When you use Shield Throw, it will look at your stats and the skill tree to generate a bunch of stats applicable to Shield Throw.
When the Shield hit and trigger Lava Burst, Lava Burst won't look at you. But it will look at the pool of stats generated by Shield Throw. Shield Throw isn't generating anything with Att. But it's generating Inc Dmg with Str/Dex. So Lava Burst is getting Inc Dmg from them and not Att.

[gloomy jasper]

Axe node doubles the hits for slower attack speed as well

[arctic tartan]

Ooohhhh. TIL

[polar spire]

self curse sentinel ward gen

[arctic tartan]

@gusty bronze Ignore my previous reply, this is the correct reply

[gusty bronze]

all good, was just confused lol

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, it's not properly explain tbh
The whole subskill thing is a bit obscure.

[gusty bronze]

yeah and fissure from smite scales from attunement which does make sense

[arctic tartan]

But Forged Weapons from Forge Strike are different again because while Forge Strike triggers Forged Weapon, minions do not act like a subskill and do look at your stats?

[waxen nymph]

Well, if Smite scale from Attunement yes

[gusty bronze]

minons have their own specific stats tho

[waxen nymph]

If Smite scale from Vit (Void), Fissure too

Also Inc Smite Dmg idols, and Devotion amulet give their bonus to Fissures

[gusty bronze]

wait really?

[waxen nymph]

Everything Smite does that is applicable to Fissure, Fissure will do it

[gusty bronze]

does that include crit/multi? i.e. ST crit->LB crit?

[waxen nymph]

The Sacrifice node for 250% More Dmg > juicy Fissure

[waxen nymph]

Fissure is a Dot, so it can't crit

Because it can't hit

[gusty bronze]

what about shield throw/lava burst? so i increase ST crit->more lava burst crit?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[gusty bronze]

wtf

lol

thats amazing

[waxen nymph]

Like this affix

[gusty bronze]

yeah exactly, ugh amazing.

i was trying to figure out how to scale LB lol

[waxen nymph]

You need to imagine it like this

Lava Burst will look at what Shield Throw does, and try to do the same

Base Crit in the Tree? Let me yoink that

More Hit Dmg per Block Chance? Mine

Crit Multi per Block Effect? Mine

Inc Crit Chance from that body armor you have? Steal it

[gusty bronze]

this is fantastic ty. Actually makes everything a lot simpler lol.

[waxen nymph]

75% More Fire Dmg? I do Fire Dmg too

[urban phoenix]

What would you guys use your rune of ascendances on for leveling with vengeance/FW?

[slim spire]

Ok nvm I think I've found the main issue with the build

[urban phoenix]

Leaning like... one hand mace for a 3/5 chance of something useable.

[waxen nymph]

Only thing that DOES NOT WORK is More Dmg that need a condition on the enemy. Like More Dmg to Ignited enemies.

[slim spire]

You just don't have enough points for everything

[slim spire]

Rings, coz I got both Phantom Grips from that

[gusty bronze]

appreciate the inside info, tysm. I was having to tweak my build to pick up attunment lol

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, was worried about that XD such a low chance.

but probably still the right play i guess.

[elfin warren]

Use it for anything you need for your final build after leveling. Campagin/leveling is fast enough

[waxen nymph]

Also this is Specific to Throwing Skill, so Lava Burst wont get it
Just so we are clear

[gusty bronze]

dope ty.

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, i guess i could push for my one build enabling set item, but its probably going to be relatively easy to farm to be fair.

[cosmic mist]

For fg do you think it's better to go forged weapons or mono armour?

[slim spire]

Forged weapons

[neon tusk]

guys, can someone recommend me a few builds for paladin / void knight ggoing into 2.0

[analog haven]

Warpath

[neon tusk]

is the single target good with warpath

[analog haven]

I believe so, you can check maxroll for some guides

[slim spire]

What's your build like?

[urban phoenix]

The throw spam ignite stacker i posted the other day, with sunforged hammer.

[slim spire]

Ok I'll search for it

[urban phoenix]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olG4rZGB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (56) / Paladin (31)

General:

▸ Health: 2,907, Regen: 240.9/s
▸ Mana: 202.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 59 Str / 11 Dex / 7 Int / 41 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 133% / 106% / 110% / 95% / 117% / 109% / 87%
▸ EHP: 7,723 / 7,491 / 7,491 / 9,814 / 7,885 / 7,491 / 7,491

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 870
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,668)
▸ Block Chance: 68%, Mitigation: 29% (635)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (23)
• Vengeance (25)
• Smite (21)
• Forge Strike (23)
• Symbols of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• Ravager's Dart
• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Maehlin's Hubris
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[urban phoenix]

Gonna try just playing rive until i have enough attunement to swap to vengeance, and level with FW.

[slim spire]

Thanks! Have you done practice runs with it in current patch?

[summer latch]

Glad I seen this. Was just looking at Fissure and some of the Smite nodes and couldn't figure out what nodes Fissure would actually scale with.
Another thing that didn't help was reading a Reddit post that said Fissure did scale off Blinding Flash but then I read something else that said it didn't scale off of Conflagration which confused me lol.

But Fissure will change it's scaling from Attunement to Vit from the Renouncement passive?

[polar spire]

i wonder if a "Forge Reaper" is a thing

[gusty bronze]

people are sleeping on ignite/spell damage FG builds

[urban phoenix]

Hard to get a real idea, beyond just like, when you'll have enough attunement to swap, etc.

since vengeance FW is quite new.

can probably get enough attunment by like, lvl 25-30 ish

[robust lake]

👀 wheres the phantom ring

[gusty bronze]

void guard might also be a thing, etc

[slim spire]

True true

[analog haven]

Question, if a skill changes the dmg from phys to void, can I still increase phys dmg or do I need to have increased void dmg on gear?

Apocalypse whirl in warpath for example

[gusty bronze]

immolators is really good for FG since they have high fire res and take less fire dmg

[polar spire]

if you have any source of flat phys, and %phys, those both still apply, its mainly for modifiers to void, and + void skills

[urban phoenix]

Thats why i'm curious about the runes of ascendance, i feel like both of these would be quite good after making the swap.

and arek's bones is alright at 60 too

[slim spire]

For me roa is rare enough at the start that I want to make each one count

But yeah they're pretty ok weapons

[urban phoenix]

Chance to get a reasonable ring is loooow

[analog haven]

Hmm alright so during campaign I can still just stack phys dmg on gear and it'll increase dmg of warpath?

[urban phoenix]

the other option is just going for a sunforged right away

[mortal rapids]

is marked for death a curse?

[polar spire]

yes

[polar spire]

yes

[mortal rapids]

ah yeah i see the curse tag now

[slim spire]

You mean me getting 2 phantom rings in less than 10 tries are just lucky?? Lol ya I guess it is.

[urban phoenix]

i got super lucky with my phantom rings last time too, but they both dropped.

[mortal rapids]

so regen stack vessel paladin and stack strength for int

now the question is what do you do for dmg

[robust lake]

stare at the boss menacingly until it faints from your capybaras cuteness

[slim spire]

I'm going MG this time, so I believe it's easy enough to get good cheap uniques / exalts / rares while I farm the endgame

[urban phoenix]

That's fair, i just don't have patience for MG, plus, gonna need a decent chunk of sunforged for the rare craft, and CoF is too good for that.

[slim spire]

Probably just going for sunforged tbh

[slim spire]

Ya true, well beggars can't be choosers, I just buy 1 full set for cheap and then go farm gold

[urban phoenix]

True.

[slim spire]

Btw what's your smite synergy? I can't find it in your letools, I may be blind ofc

[urban phoenix]

Like what's casting it?

just idols

[slim spire]

Ahhh

No wonder I can't find it

[urban phoenix]

kinda the big reason i'm leveling straight FW off the start

gonna take a hot minute to get those

[neon tusk]

for warpath what archetype is better void, bleed or ignite

[urban phoenix]

probably void, but you could probably get away with anything really.

i'm certain there will be some cool sunforged builds using warpath popping up

[sullen jolt]

i would like to know too - as I think I will go void,,,,,

[neon tusk]

i think time rot is just better because u can convert both ignite and bleed into time rot

[urban phoenix]

Can convert all the ignite that sunforged hammer gives you into time rot, insta 12 stacks essentially.

[neon tusk]

so a lot more ailment stacking

[neon tusk]

yep, and this node

[urban phoenix]

plus the node a few after that is generic more dmg per time rot.

[neon tusk]

thanks, this clears things up for me

[urban phoenix]

i'm sure theres better ways to do it

and haven't seen anyone make a build with that interaction yet

but it certainly sounds neat

[neon tusk]

im starting void knight and maybe respec to forge guard in late endgame to try out ailment stacking

[sullen jolt]

for a noob with skill issues this void knight with warpath will be fine? or better go paladin with javellin? can I do some endgame on warpath?

[waxen nymph]

Yeah should be fine

[sullen jolt]

survivability?

clear speed vs single target?

all just fine?

[mortal rapids]

you can do warpath in many different ways , it's very powerful

[cosmic mist]

Did the change wings of argentus at all?

Or is it still the same shadow of its former glory?

[mortal rapids]

can be a trigger build , autombomber build , straight melee warpath crit or dot

[scenic gyro]

its a very strong item, wdym

[cosmic mist]

Yeah but it used to be like 3x + as good as it is now

[mortal rapids]

bleed warpath/devouring orb looking like a fun time

[sullen jolt]

I think I will go VOID

[hallow knoll]

still nerfed yeah

[sullen jolt]

what do u suggest for a noob?

[hallow knoll]

Titan Heart is superior for sure

[mortal rapids]

void knight will be just fine , probably has the highest damage potential of the 3 masteries

paladin is better if you scale it to bleed or ignite

[sullen jolt]

paladin can be tankier? so for a noob all three options safe? bleed is easy to scale?

[cosmic mist]

Is shrapnel on the forged weapon tree reduced duration or less duration?

Ik it sounds the same but it matter for how it interacts with phantom grip

[waxen nymph]

Less

[cosmic mist]

F

[waxen nymph]

Hum actually its unclear but I believe its Less

Reduced is pretty rare

[slim spire]

It's too strong to be reduced anyway

Especially with the latest buff

[spare horizon]

does spirit step interrupt warpath

[dense briar]

Is warpath a viable levelling skill or should I just follow max-rolls Sentinel levelling guide and swap later?

[hidden sparrow]

Hey. Planning to start the new season with a Smite Paladin, and I have two theory-crafted candidates. (Idols is just to see my options in both of these)

1. Self cast Fire-based Smite with the addition of Battle standard javelin for extra smites: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALqmLrzQ

2. Melee Divine electrify smiter using Multistrike: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYMa67lo

Which one do you guys think are the most viable for Aberroth and beyond?

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (35) / Paladin (78)

General:

▸ Health: 2,844, Regen: 128.8/s
▸ Mana: 692.88, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 1 Dex / 15 Int / 67 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 135% / 91% / 83% / 75% / 101% / 123% / 85%
▸ EHP: 10,610 / 10,610 / 10,610 / 14,669 / 10,610 / 10,610 / 10,610

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,048
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,840)
▸ Block Chance: 60%, Mitigation: 40% (1,261)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (1/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Smite (24)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Javelin (20)

Used unique items:

• Devotion
• Ashes of Orchirian
• Ashes of Mortality
• Orian's Descent

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Paladin (77)

General:

▸ Health: 2,519, Regen: 40.7/s
▸ Mana: 191.51, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 34%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 58 Str / 3 Dex / 17 Int / 3 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 70% / 106% / 89% / 83% / 76% / 74%
▸ EHP: 11,171 / 10,639 / 11,171 / 23,080 / 11,759 / 11,171 / 11,061

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 555
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,194)
▸ Block Chance: 78%, Mitigation: 46% (1,732)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (1/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (21)
• Smite (25)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Holy Aura (21)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Devotion
• Bastion of Honour
• Orian's Descent
• Stormtide
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Oceareon

[shell wedge]

mail crusher is such a big investment of points, I'd rather just go block chance

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKlKPVZQ
edited your selfcast smite tree a bit

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (89)

General:

▸ Health: 2,844, Regen: 138/s
▸ Mana: 687.61, Regen: 12.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 1 Dex / 15 Int / 70 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 119% / 91% / 83% / 75% / 85% / 127% / 89%
▸ EHP: 11,074 / 11,074 / 11,074 / 15,005 / 11,074 / 11,074 / 11,074

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,050
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,616)
▸ Block Chance: 71%, Mitigation: 40% (1,291)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (1/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Smite (24)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Javelin (20)

Used unique items:

• Devotion
• Ashes of Orchirian
• Ashes of Mortality
• Orian's Descent

[shell wedge]

more block, more sustain

[hidden sparrow]

Yeah, some tweaks will be done underway as well of course. Have you played any of these playstyles?

[shell wedge]

nah, my first time sentinelling will be this new season

Void Knight dOrb dot build

[hidden sparrow]

Nice

[shell wedge]

If you go any of the 4 skills time and faith work on, it is just unmatched in sustain

it completely negates the self damage from sacrifice talent on smite tree

[novel spoke]

do you have a build ?

[shell wedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApDy8JeA
gear is slightly unrealistic

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (87) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (3)

General:

▸ Health: 3,351, Regen: 67.2/s
▸ Mana: 201.51, Regen: 14.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 3 Att / 117 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 71% / 71% / 90% / 81% / 137% / 137%
▸ EHP: 16,455 / 16,455 / 16,455 / 24,155 / 19,015 / 14,451 / 14,451

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 670
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,501)
▸ Block Chance: 72%, Mitigation: 59% (2,963)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Inspiration, Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Devouring Orb (25)
• Anomaly (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)

Used unique items:

• Siphon of Anguish
• Brewmaster's Buckle
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Atrophy

[shell wedge]

missing like 6% block

[heady pumice]

what is flame aura, volcanic orb, glyph of dominion and flame rush?

this item confuses me haha

[shell wedge]

mage spells

[heady pumice]

why is this weapon in a paladin build if thats the case?

[shell wedge]

no clue, depends on the build, but I have no idea

every build can get fire aura, but idk about the rest

[heady pumice]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/judgement-paladin-guide

this guide. I dont understand where he gets the source of these spells

[woven temple]

fast attack speed and ele pen, also low lpl. I guess you found it in something like a judgment build - you dont need a weapon to scale consecrated ground

yea looks like it

[shell wedge]

ye

[heady pumice]

So its only used for the attack speed and elemental resistance pen?

[woven temple]

more or less yes

1.2 base attack speed is as good as it gets

[mortal rapids]

1.24* 🙂

[woven temple]

could use an exalt with good rolls instead

[mortal rapids]

nagasa

[woven temple]

but this is easy to get at high LP

which is "free" pen

[shell wedge]

that shield is still silly

it should be much higher potential

40 potential on the strongest shield in the game

is silly

countenance of majasa and slam a t7 block effectiveness on it for free, very defensive

[polar spire]

i have just crafted the weirdest judgement build you will ever see https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0a946KB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (28) / Paladin (65)

General:

▸ Health: 3,194, Regen: 60.75/s
▸ Mana: 1,695.14, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 1 Dex / 15 Int / 81 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 105% / 95% / 125% / 76% / 74% / 72% / 83%
▸ EHP: 16,500 / 16,500 / 16,500 / 20,680 / 16,336 / 16,019 / 16,500

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 917
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,748)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy, Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Lunge (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Smite (24)
• Judgement (20)

Used unique items:

• Devotion
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Hand of Judgement
• Stormcarved Testament

[polar spire]

in reality

its a smite electrify build

[robust lake]

[polar spire]

but it uses judgement to eat all of your mana for devotion, as well as sucking all the enemies in for your smites

[maiden palm]

Seems like everyone is going smite electrify

In some iteration.

[hallow knoll]

electrify is just really strong rn and smite is one of the strongest skills to use for that

[polar spire]

but because it has a mana pool of 1700, and stays at super low mana at all times thanks to 0 judgement mana cost and it just consuming mana, you should sit at around 6000+ ward at all times

[shell wedge]

with cdr on boots and belt, even just t5, you've got a judgement every 1.5? seconds

[polar spire]

just about, yea, prob closer to 1.7

[shell wedge]

which is definitely good enough to just zoom and suck

[polar spire]

trading out a health affix on belt for cdr should bring it down to 1.5

to be fair, the health isnt needed

[shell wedge]

% health is more valuable than flat health anyways if it's just on one piece

[polar spire]

with double lunge, all your cdr, and refilling lunge cd on melee hit (because even though judgement doesnt deal damage here, it still "hits", you get insane ward off the boot experimental affix)

judgement loses its hit damage, and loses its aura

its literally just a screen wide vacuum + smite caster

and eats your mana

LMAO

ive always wondered if i could do anything weird to judgement like that

that new electrify paladin passive helps it tons

[shell wedge]

I mean it looks like it all would work very nicely

you numlock judgement and holy aura, and just press lunge

zipping across the map

oh right you can't numlock judgement

[sudden radish]

Just hold lunge and judgment down, with lunge being to the left

You will lunge whenever you mouse over a target, while judgment keeps getting used on cool-down

There is skill priority based on what order on the skill bar
The one to the left will always have priority

[radiant vortex]

most of amas links need a warning - something like
Cursed Content, open at your own peril

[polar spire]

honestly this build gets so much on defensives, i may need to rearrange some passive points into more damage

if i remove my fg passives, and instead go vk, i can grab sorrow and steel for more judgement vacuum size

and since judgement counts as a melee and a spell

i can take Chaotic Reverb too, for more area size

ooooo

[shell wedge]

void corruption isn't a bad idea either

80% crit

55% increase area

[polar spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q92Ggp5B
alrighty, moved some passive tree points around

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (28) / Paladin (65)

General:

▸ Health: 2,687, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 1,653.12, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 1 Dex / 15 Int / 70 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 86% / 116% / 76% / 94% / 76% / 78%
▸ EHP: 13,335 / 13,335 / 13,335 / 16,401 / 14,037 / 13,335 / 13,335

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 29%, Threshold: 686
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,917)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy, Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Lunge (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Smite (24)
• Judgement (20)

Used unique items:

• Devotion
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Hand of Judgement
• Stormcarved Testament

[shell wedge]

114k? smite damage without electrify

720 base smite damage with the wand

at 2k mana

it's even higher with sacrifice

[rigid dragon]

so is Maxroll good for build guides? or stick to that Allies build or someone named Dr3adful

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/allie---void-knight-devouring-orb-autobomber

[crude matrix]

Allie's Void Knight Devouring Orb Autobomber Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class

Sentinel / Void Knight

Used skills

• Devouring Orb
• Smite
• Anomaly
• Volatile Reversal
• Symbols of Hope

Used unique items

• Code of an Erased Sentinel

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Season Starter / Beginner / SSF / Melee

Created by Allie · Feb 15, 2024, 11:48 PM

[rigid dragon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides?filter[build_guide_type][filters][0][taxonomy]=taxonomies.build_guide_type&filter[build_guide_type][filters][0][value]=archive&filter[build_guide_type][filters][0][operation]=!%3D&filter[build_guide_type][filters][1][taxonomy]=taxonomies.build_guide_type&filter[build_guide_type][filters][1][value]= &filter[build_guide_type][filters][1][operation]=NOT EXISTS&filter[classes][taxonomy]=taxonomies.classes&filter[classes][value]=sentinel&filter[classes][filters][0][taxonomy]=taxonomies.classes&filter[classes][filters][0][value]=void-knight&filter[misc][taxonomy]=taxonomies.misc&filter[misc][value]=endgame

[ionic inlet]

Dr3adful every time of the week imo, has more hours in the game than any other human being

[mortal rapids]

dreadful will give the best bang for your buck on a build that works

[jade copper]

Maxroll is also solid since most builds are made by long time players

[pallid agate]

I'm also gonna say Dr3adful does great builds

[sharp ibex]

that man is putting out a video every day its crazy

what a grinder

and no AI thumbnails either he's a real one for that

[clever hazel]

I hate how much content on youtube is just AI nonsense

I found some channel the other day that would have been interesting to me, but I realized after about 20 seconds that no, they aren't just using AI art (which is annoying) but literally the entire channel is AI

AI art for AI-written stories told by an AI narrator, uploaded on an "impossible for humans" schedule

when I found it they had 782 videos uploaded in 649 days, 2 days later they're up to 791; every video is like 40 minutes long

[rigid dragon]

what sthis mean

[sharp ibex]

oh my goodness

thats crazy

[sharp ibex]

a lot of last epoch channels have these super tacky ai generated thumbnails of the build they feature

like one was a beastmaster aspect of the shark centred build which had this... really bad humanoid shark thing with two axes

just looked terrible

just strikes me as low effort

[clever hazel]

it is low effort, pretty much by definition

[rigid dragon]

can you show me what you mean sorry im unsure how a thumbnail can be bad?

[ionic inlet]

Stuff like this (Heartseeker)

[rigid dragon]

Also so Dr3adful

[rigid dragon]

oh so that person holding the bow is an ai generated one

[rigid dragon]

ok i get it now yeh those videos i ignore

[sharp ibex]

nah he always uses concept art from the game or occasionally draws a goofy one

[heady pumice]

this chest feels like its going to be pretty decent on forge guard next patch?

15% flat damage reduction feels alot

combined with their other 15% flat source from passives

[radiant vortex]

nah you'll just use ox for 24% dr (redirection)

[heady pumice]

ox?

will the shields survive that damage consistantly?

[radiant vortex]

theres enough of em and you can just reup em

fw, manifest armour & rings all are minions that can be damaged if you use any that chest is busted af

[jade copper]

And then majority of comments are also ai bots

[sharp ibex]

I might put this in on my Phalanx fg. i got no minions so it'll be nice

[heady pumice]

never noticed that it also have %hp

[sharp ibex]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApDj53eA
Do the skill and passives look good here, im a total amateur. don't mind the incomplete items/idols

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,259, Regen: 54/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 39% / 39% / 35% / 32% / 4% / 4%
▸ EHP: 2,632 / 1,896 / 1,896 / 2,025 / 1,804 / 1,508 / 1,508

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 502
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,082)
▸ Block Chance: 59%, Mitigation: 47% (1,790)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Vengeance (22)
• Javelin (20)
• Shield Rush (20)
• Shield Bash (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Countenance of Majasa
• Phalanx

[polar spire]

Just run eterra's path boots and let the vines take all the damage

[jade copper]

Just use ring of shields with 50% chance to cast on block

[radiant vortex]

lmao what a tech

[radiant vortex]

this seem okay to you? :D

[polar spire]

Pact severance, ox armor, eterra's path

[sharp ibex]

it doesn't even have to be on your bar for that node to work, right? you can just make it summon the base minion

[jade copper]

Should work but specing into gives you block eff and block chance

[sharp ibex]

true

for my FG i really wanna run Shield Rush + Shield Bash for the big boom into packs

even though it probably isn't very great

[jade copper]

I kinda wanted to do rive FG but I'll probably start with rive VK to test new stuff

[sharp ibex]

wonder if i COULD take ring of shields instead of SoH

sounds fun

and solid

[left meadow]

how atrocious will farming World Splitter be? wondering if i should just stick with either warpath or judgement if its too rough

[jade copper]

I'll take maxroll guide but I do wonder if I can replace DOrb with maybe erasing strike

[heady pumice]

Is symbol of hope getting changed?

[jade copper]

It's autocast now

[heady pumice]

so auto cast every 2 second?

[ionic inlet]

What are you trying to stack? (Melee AS, crit, crit multi, throwing dmg?)
Probably ring of shields instead of shield bash, maybe lunge instead and it also shooting out the javelins

[slim spire]

Read up

[sharp ibex]

I was just going for crit really, didn't think about the other stats. Anything you'd suggest?

And yeah I was originally on Lunge for the extra Javelin proc + cull, but the Shield stuff is just aesthetically pleasing to me haha. If im being serious though, Lunge + RoS is def better

[ionic inlet]

Might want mana on chest from vengeance and/or throwing mana cost. (Also maybe crushing blows is giga important?)

I would say as much attack speed as humanly possible, flat throwing damage, most likely crit + multi

[sharp ibex]

Sounds good

so a lineup like this

seems super solid to me

[ionic inlet]

Yeah that looks better imo

[sharp ibex]

Cool, cheers dude. Is flat throwing super necessary, considering Javelin still scales 50% of the flat melee damage?

Oh wait

its only the damage FROM thje spear

i see that now

[ionic inlet]

That's only for the spear it self, you would want attack speed on the weapon for this

[sharp ibex]

so no other flat works

So if I got 2LP Phalanx, i'd want, what, Crit and Attack speed?

[waxen nymph]

If you go Sigeon Reprisal, you can throw Shield Throw on Block and Jav on Riposte

[ionic inlet]

Attack speed and depends, probably melee damage or something else useful like crit multi

[waxen nymph]

Just saying

[sharp ibex]

ok cool this is great info thanks

[sharp ibex]

This is also

great info

🤔

[waxen nymph]

The full Retaliation Build

[ionic inlet]

He would already jav on riposte doe

[jade copper]

That actually looks fun

[harsh nova]

only issue with maxroll is they only produce guides for builds they did specifically

[sharp ibex]

yeah but BOTh goin off at once

pog

[ionic inlet]

8000 spears flying across the screens from your autoattacks? Yeah looks very fun

[sharp ibex]

mhm

im excited

[harsh nova]

hope ur ready for shield rush meta

@waxen nymph

[waxen nymph]

I have got too many ideas before Shield Rush

[sharp ibex]

I am assuming these two work together as Im assuming

[hallow knoll]

I'm not really fond of maxroll builds myself but they're pretty good for beginners to start with tbh

[ionic inlet]

Void beam smite shield rush brrr new meta?

[waxen nymph]

Also I am scared it will be clunky and buggy still

[jade copper]

Maybe it's worth to try this setup with bleed

[harsh nova]

autobomb dev orb + shield rush

[waxen nymph]

But you cant scale thoses Beams

[harsh nova]

don't need to really

[hallow knoll]

If shield rush actually works I'm 100% making a shield rush build this season

[harsh nova]

+8% base crit ☠️

also void scaling

[ionic inlet]

Mana problems? No worries, I got smite 😏

[harsh nova]

yeah im just gonna rock multistrike smite for single target

[ionic inlet]

Then you gotta scale attack speed rather than cast speed, dunno about that

[slim spire]

Build?

[harsh nova]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqZNx13B this is my season start plan, not min maxed by any means just a few affixes around

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (88) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,450, Regen: 224.12/s
▸ Mana: 216.54, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 55%, Regen: 67/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 67 Vit
▸ Resistances: 48% / 88% / 113% / 53% / 53% / 100% / 140%
▸ EHP: 7,755 / 8,639 / 8,639 / 9,161 / 8,965 / 8,312 / 8,312

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 883
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,961)
▸ Block Chance: 60%, Mitigation: 43% (1,511)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical, Fire / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy, Void Essence (1/3)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (22)
• Smite (22)
• Devouring Orb (22)
• Shield Rush (22)
• Healing Hands (22)

Used unique items:

• Nihilis
• Phantom Grip
• Immortal Vise
• Darkstride
• Vessel of Strife
• Phantom Grip

[slim spire]

Thanks!

[harsh nova]

it's not a manual cast smite build, it's an autobomb build @ionic inlet

could run a sceptre instead of sword and manual cast

or wand

but then multistrike whack

[slim spire]

What's the aspirational weapons?

[waxen nymph]

What is that?

[harsh nova]

not sure yet

[ionic inlet]

What are thoooose 👟

[harsh nova]

looked at a few options

darkstrides bae

just my start boots might swap them later, easy to get in 3lp

[slim spire]

Oh I thought the smite sword is a must have

[harsh nova]

nah

[slim spire]

Or the aurelius

[harsh nova]

not like they are trash

just don't have to run them

both easy to get in 3+ lp also

[dreamy gate]

getting a guaranteed slam will make an aurelius so much easier to run in the early/middle late game

I had so many 3lp failed slams last season

[ionic inlet]

Shield throw spell damage that also triggers smite has me hyped, just hard to gear around I suppose

[harsh nova]

just gonna use vit scaling for smite call it a day

swap to a sceptre instead of sword if i want more flat

depends on how good the dev orb shotgunning can be

[north topaz]

Anyone building divine fury javelin

[ionic inlet]

I figured you'd scale void beams only (Haven't looked)

[harsh nova]

for autobombing you wanna scale the collisons i'd imagine

hard to say before i play with it

[ionic inlet]

Yes there's some concepts around for it to be triggered by vengeance

Tbf I don't know what void skills do now, hate reading them xD

[fossil musk]

im interested into it if u wanna talk about it

the javazon d2 but idk if it scales

[ionic inlet]

Nice Eca

[waxen nymph]

Dragon Bone Axe is probably the best weapon

Crit Multi, %Dmg, Bleed, Ignite

[ionic inlet]

Would scale very well, would have mana issues and most likely some sort of mana generator skill such as spam smite to get your mana back

[north topaz]

Yeah that's what I wanted, unfortunately I don't have solid information on how to make a build

[fossil musk]

sentinel is the easiest way to build

[waxen nymph]

No you can make Jav really cheap, and Smite Idols don't cost mana

[fossil musk]

there are less things complicated than others

[waxen nymph]

Unless you take the extra Lightning Blast

[north topaz]

I see

[fossil musk]

feels weird to cast smite to get back mana tho 😦

[waxen nymph]

Go check Pinching Loaf on yt

[north topaz]

Will do

[waxen nymph]

You don't get mana back with Smite Idols

It's only for Direct Cast

[slim spire]

Btw how do you sustain mana with bladestorm + full cost smite?

[harsh nova]

it's not full cost smite

has all the reduction nodes

on the smite tree

[ionic inlet]

Normally yes but I'd imagine you want to take Siege Barrage and maybe the other node underneath, then every point you want or might need in divine fury depending on how it feels would cost extra

[slim spire]

So this work too for procced smite?

[harsh nova]

also that's just a rough draft i really haven't gone through and maxed it to the gills

[harsh nova]

should

doesn't say direct cast smite on it

[slim spire]

Interesting

[harsh nova]

just take the planner with a grain of salt will be making lots of changes as i actually play the build

[slim spire]

Btw in what way is vk smite better than pala smite?

[harsh nova]

probably not

but uh

[slim spire]

🤣

[harsh nova]

i wanna play dev orb more than smite

smite can kick buckets if i have to

[waxen nymph]

I am at 8.4 mana per cast

Nothing crazy

A bit of mana regen and you are good to go

[harsh nova]

also dis

[ionic inlet]

t7 mana cost or?

[shell wedge]

I suggest getting 3 block node in paladin and forge guard

[waxen nymph]

T1

But only 2 split spears

I don't think you need more anyway

[harsh nova]

for smite builds i don't really see mana being an issue

it's your other skills that are going to cook ur pool

[ionic inlet]

Well this too?

[harsh nova]

javelin yep

[jade copper]

Wouldn't it split for every jav in barrage?

[harsh nova]

there's like, jackshit for mana leech in this game also right 🙈

[hallow knoll]

get - mana for throwing attacks on your rings and some mana regen and you're good

no mana leech

[harsh nova]

yeah thought it was just regen

[hallow knoll]

for some reason they want mana to be painful

[harsh nova]

and - cost

[ionic inlet]

Yeah getting mana is hard besides regen

Or spam potions or something

[quiet hearth]

I wish fiery chasm wasnt just on the initial burst

[hallow knoll]

probably my least favorite design choice of theirs now tbh

[ionic inlet]

Same

[harsh nova]

playing flask piano isn't fun either

[hallow knoll]

lots of skills that would be awesome with better mana management

[ionic inlet]

Wellll you have 1 flask xD

[harsh nova]

yeah that's why tho

also another advantage of vk

no mana issues

void essence go brr

[shell wedge]

3s cd on it

very sadge

[harsh nova]

3s is more than enough

[shell wedge]

but should be manageable

[harsh nova]

you get an entire bar back so

[quiet hearth]

VR getting mana on crit and void essences opens a lot of doors for mana regen

[shell wedge]

idk if it's enough for my dOrb build

[harsh nova]

dev orb gonna be a chunky cost on a 2s cooldown

[fossil musk]

yes im going divine fury just tested on my paladin 100 its so fun

[harsh nova]

hopefully essence just autos it easily

[ionic inlet]

Concept: potions dropped like candy (for example shield bash makes potions drop node) use a potion - full mana, javelin costs 60 mana/cast and gets 30 more dmg from forge guard node.
You have like 6 spears and 48 spears that fork

[hallow knoll]

my mana management is gonna be annoying to solve since I'm putting 2 points into divine fury for beeg aoe clear

worth it tho

[harsh nova]

any mana gained on traversal skills atm?

[shell wedge]

I'm past 2s, I'm at like 1s

[ionic inlet]

Maybe on void but didn't find anything new for lunge etc so no

[harsh nova]

the new haste affix for swords looks 🔥

[shell wedge]

202% cdr for dOrb with inspiration

[harsh nova]

yeah but you have max stacks until collison right?

[shell wedge]

no collison, I'm full dot

[harsh nova]

ah gotcha

[shell wedge]

since the orb degen stack

I'm warpathing and generating like 10+ orbs

[harsh nova]

sounds fun

[shell wedge]

warpath is mostly for 20% block

and free abyssal echoes

[south zephyr]

Finally a use case for omnividence

[harsh nova]

hopefully omni comes around

[smoky pulsar]

Pally Vengeance with a 2H sword, stacking ignites. All bleed chance applies to ignite... the forge guard has a nice node that gives 70% ignite and 70% bleed chance, doubled with a 2H weapon.

[harsh nova]

i theory crafted a forge guard ignite hammer last cycle just needed a bit more support

was pretty fire

[quiet hearth]

I was talking about ignite hammers the other day, they look like they can reall go this season with the early ignites from pally

[smoky pulsar]

I am going to pair it up with HH, which will also ignite

[shell wedge]

omnividence, I could alter my build to work around it, maybe. It would take a lot of altering

[harsh nova]

early on especially scaling fire damage for smite with it super nice

makes mapping pretty quick

[quiet hearth]

I also think that chain stun hammers could be a build with the changes

[harsh nova]

stun locking looks like it has a lot more support now

[delicate summit]

can new Symbols of Hope or Ring of Shields be 'usable' off the skill bar? i like Lunge as a movement skill but i dont like any of the passives

[fossil musk]

70% of hc players gonna be sentinel xD

[harsh nova]

the new idols really have me thinking about what to do

not sure if i want offense or defense on them

might just go balls to walls on idols

[quiet hearth]

gonna be a lot easier to fit either into your build, more flexibility is always good

[harsh nova]

yeah that's what im saying the options are so deep now its hard to say

like you can get double crit idols now wtf

[quiet hearth]

isthere anything outside the tree that gives extra proj for hammers?

[south zephyr]

I wouldn't, shield is a ton of survivability and omnividence isn't actually very good

[harsh nova]

we have way more mitigation tools i don't think shield is gonna be required

[shell wedge]

I'm just playing around with the idea of an omnividence build now

my regular vk build is already done

[harsh nova]

i was already able to do 1k corruption with no shield

[quiet hearth]

wait, what would happen if you took the richocet AND the avatar of the spire nodes?

[harsh nova]

and just a titan heart

"just" 😂

[warm jolt]

how do you think this works with

you just get both spears and lightning spears?

[quiet hearth]

no, your spears used by the weapon trigger are lightning spears now

[elfin warren]

Anyone of you guys cooked a Multistrike Electrify or VK build?

[hallow knoll]

I'm not stressing a shield for my build at least for the beginning of the patch, Titan Heart + Bleeding Heart + lots of health, armor and capped endurance are enough imo

I think the ignite and bleed node in FG is a bit too powerful to ignore

[slim spire]

Can someone eli5 why electrify is now broken?

[quiet hearth]

would Ricochet override spire here?

Nope, I just went to the patch notes and it doesnt, which is fine because thatwould have been bonkers xD

[hallow knoll]

from the paladin passive tree you get increased duration for electrify + more lightning penetration than before + lightning shred chance without needing to take the blessing + you can now get a big more multiplier by scaling crit multi

[quiet hearth]

I dont think it's broken, but it's gonna be strong that is for sure

[hallow knoll]

in my current javelin planner I'm getting 129% more damage for electrify from that node

[slim spire]

I appreciate your explanation, thanks a lot

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[hallow knoll]

I don't think it's broken, there are definitely builds that do more damage but it's a lot better than it was before

[waxen nymph]

It was included

[hallow knoll]

I'm more happy about being able to use siege barrage and divine fury together tbh

the clear should be so much better

[waxen nymph]

Yup

Siège Barrage and Sierpin looks really sweet too

[quiet hearth]

is the crit from weapon master global with a spear?

[ionic inlet]

A bit of a meme but could use this maybe for Sigil burst or high mana cost javelin = more dmg multiplier 😂

[jade copper]

Where is my Titan's Grip/Giant's Blood so I can dual wield spears

[ionic inlet]

Shield bash grants a potion, block and you cast sigil every 3 seconds for the boom

[waxen nymph]

Yes

Global Flat Crit

[quiet hearth]

iron blade doesnt pierce right?

[ionic inlet]

Anyone messed around with Symbols of Hope - Divine flare?
I don't get the cooldown and gain rate, gain rate higher than cooldown I can't use it or?
Also does the dmg scale of healing effectiveness?

[shell wedge]

with omnividence hitting 258% cdr for dOrb is possible, you can go further but then you end up with a big duration issue

[timid fable]

Question: If I convert Healing Hands into a melee attack, can I still proc it from another Melee hit if I invest points into Cleric's Hammer?

[quiet hearth]

yes

[timid fable]

Pog

[elfin warren]

Why Shield Rush? Wouldn't Anamoly or 10 more points in Paladin and then Symbols of Hope be better?

[shell wedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGj52XYQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 2,523, Regen: 67.2/s
▸ Mana: 209.36, Regen: 10.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 11 Dex / 11 Int / 11 Att / 104 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / 45% / 5% / 25% / 54% / 109% / 149%
▸ EHP: 3,977 / 4,407 / 3,977 / 4,119 / 5,162 / 4,747 / 4,747

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 23%, Threshold: 505
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,591)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Inspiration, Void Essence (3/3)

Used skills:

• Devouring Orb (28)
• Anomaly (24)
• Volatile Reversal (23)
• Abyssal Echoes (24)
• Warpath (23)

Used unique items:

• Omnividence
• Shattered Worlds
• Atrophy
• Nihilis

[shell wedge]

idk what this is, but it is something

attack speed scales time rot, that's why we have attack speed

[elfin warren]

attack speed scales time rot?

Like, naturally?

[quiet hearth]

more attacks per second, more stack of time rot, or any dot really

[shell wedge]

No, passive in void knight tree

[unreal monolith]

can vengeance do damage enough as main deal not dot? I made phalanx physical vengeance build.

[elfin warren]

If you are referring to "Rot Grip", it scales only with the lowest of the three

[shell wedge]

Is it just the one

[elfin warren]

So if you have 100% attackspeed but only 20% incr. throwing speed, it takes throwing speed

Does it work this way?

Or can it take 0% as a value aswell?

[shell wedge]

Not sure

Why is throw speed in the mix, ruins every possible scaleable route

If it can take 0% as a value

[analog steppe]

Throw speed is a part of generic attack speed, and both rings can roll throwing speed lines

[shell wedge]

then the only way to naturally scale it, is via frenzy

because it gives all combat speeds

[waxen nymph]

I think you get a few bounces
Let me check in game really quick

[analog steppe]

Frenzy is good for it, but again not the “only way”

[shell wedge]

It is, you need all of the speeds to scale it

attack speed, cast speed and throw speed

since it takes whatever is lowest

[analog steppe]

and? There are passives and gear slots for it

[shell wedge]

any individual investment in any speed is a waste of a affix

[analog steppe]

Not true at all

[little temple]

just play black blade and enjoy this node

[ionic inlet]

@waxen nymph Have you memed around with this?

[analog steppe]

I’ve made planners for the build and investing in both individual throwing speed (rings) and cast speed (gloves/relic) are worth it

[waxen nymph]

It looks good

[shell wedge]

they do nothing by themselves, throw speed doesn't do anything without cast speed and attack speed, in this particular function

[waxen nymph]

It has real potential

[analog steppe]

The more multiplier is worth using gear slots to achieve

[shell wedge]

frenzy and time bubble is a 40% more multi atleast

[analog steppe]

Nothing else you could put into those prefix slots would be more impactful

[tight sage]

Just when I thought I would make my first non-sentinel they decide to bring huge QoL improvements with reversal and symbols lol. Guess I'm rolling the same class again 😄

[ionic inlet]

From what I understand I could gain 1 symbol every 0.7 seconds - or 0.14 seconds. Kind of unclear. (With some gain rate and cooldown recovery speed)
I went with formula Cooldown /1 + cooldownstuff

[analog steppe]

When you make a statement like this you need to back it up with examples of what affixes you would instead put in their places

[waxen nymph]

@quiet hearth It pierces and go in a straight line for about 6 metres
That tooltip is from 1.1. It gets better in 1.2

[jaunty skiff]

Hey guys I was thinking of going bleed Javelin for my first character.. does anyone know if it's still viable?

[waxen nymph]

CDR is for the active part that has a 18sec base CD
Gain rate is to get Sigils Up faster (base speed is 1 every 2 sec)

You get 100% More Dmg per Symbol > Max 5
You can generate 5 symbols every 3-4 sec I believe with Idols and some stuff in the tree

[quiet hearth]

I always forget about blessings and idols when Im working on a build

[ionic inlet]

Ah so it's 18 x 80% = 3.6
So you can use it(explode) every 3.6 seconds?

[waxen nymph]

Sound about right

You will want to wait for 5 symbols anyway

It looks great as Hit or Ailment

[shell wedge]

1 throw speed on ring, melee attack speed on gloves and cast speed on staff, nets us an even score of 88% more multi, which is more valuable than what I had there before. You were right, I thought I would have to invest a lot more into it.

[ionic inlet]

Didn't count the 50% increased cooldown doe, planner doesn't seem to count it either x)

[waxen nymph]

500% More Dmg is sweet

[elfin warren]

Anyone has a Electrify Multistrike build?

[ionic inlet]

Do you know if symbol gain rate is the same formula as cooldown? (cd/1 + increased cd)

[waxen nymph]

80% Reduced CD here and then you can get CDRS on gear (thats applied after)

I want to say yes

[ionic inlet]

Lemme crunch some numbers then

[waxen nymph]

Otherwise this would be really op

[ionic inlet]

yep

Wait crap, it doesn't say increased

[waxen nymph]

80% from 2 Orian Ring + 45% in tree + 56% from 2 idosl

181% Rate

[ionic inlet]

so base would be 1.1 instead of 2

[waxen nymph]

Base speed is 2

[ionic inlet]

then add the increased stuff

[waxen nymph]

Nah I think they are all additive

0.7 sec per symbols

[ionic inlet]

But there's a difference between something being increasedgain rate and in this example gain rate no?

[waxen nymph]

You get 5 Symbols every 5 sec or 5 symbols starting at 1 in 2.8 sec

[ionic inlet]

Otherwise it would just say increased gain rate on the tree

[waxen nymph]

99% sure its additive

But I agree it should be worder with increased too

Symbols every 0.7 sec is already massive

[quiet hearth]

man my ehp is garbo

[ionic inlet]

Kind of made it to spam it every second but yeah Idk

[serene saffron]

anyone going to be playing paladin?

[ionic inlet]

I would take that stat with a grain of salt

[scenic gyro]

im sure many will ^^ eventhough vk is the flavor of this patch and fg 😄

[ionic inlet]

There's some other site to calculate it better from what I heard, never really googled it or anything

[scenic gyro]

tunklab

[quiet hearth]

Nah, Im just comparing it to what I had with the same build, it's lost a ton because of the idol changes

[ionic inlet]

^ sounds about right

[serene saffron]

yeah keep seeing vk being pushed

might try it

[quiet hearth]

lol, tunklab says it's even lower xD

[uneven gorge]

It's useful as long as you know where it goes wrong. For example if you're using foot of the mountain, it calculates as if you have both your dodge and endurance

[quiet hearth]

Im barely hitting 6k

[ionic inlet]

You're calculating your damage or?

[quiet hearth]

no ehp

[ionic inlet]

Ah

[dawn grotto]

how bad/good will be throw hammers? I found some pretty detailed guide from BabblingBike. I kind of want to play sentinel again (I played some forge guard build last cycle) but I always reach some "treshold" where stuff stop to die and I die very often which makes me to leave the game. This time I really want to stick my teeth to it and try to overcome it but I have no clue what build on sentinel will be actually good for fairly inexperience guy. I dont plan to push for aberoth but if I can down some harbringers (which I didnt do with my last FG) it would be nice

[quiet hearth]

Hammers is always pretty solid

[ionic inlet]

Hammer throw is really good, so many ways to build it.

[dawn grotto]

then I just give it shot 🙂

I will play with friend this time so I hope he will carry me if something goes wrong 😄

[ionic inlet]

Just fyi if you were to use Void Cleave (gives +100 flat void dmg on next throwing attack) then cast 1 hammer throw that would spiral you can't go wrong.
It's a skill that has 100 different scenarios, can carry you well

[dawn grotto]

huh I didnt even know there are interactions like this 🙂 this game is so complex 😄

[quiet hearth]

Im tinkering with enras to see exactly how big I can make the one hammer land

Im up to about 500 multi right now lol

[ionic inlet]

I think the most fun thing would make the hammers bounce around and you'd be like Thor, fun stuff

[quiet hearth]

I do plan on doing a stun hammer build, you can get ungodly more multi

[dawn grotto]

I will try hammers in offline today to actually try if I enjoy the playstyle thanks folks for helpful answers 🙂

community here is really great 😉

[quiet hearth]

can hammers orbit and chain?

[ionic inlet]

negative

[quiet hearth]

didnt think so

But yeah, Im up to 250% more hit dmg vs stunned right now

[ionic inlet]

Stunned is so conditional though, dunno about that. Same as freeze, harder to do the more corruption/bosses you face

[quiet hearth]

Not planning on pushing high corruption or really bossing, just monos

[eager carbon]

you won't stun mono bosses either

any boss, actually

[quiet hearth]

Im aware, doesn't change the fact it's still 100% more hit vs non stunned

actually a little more, I forgot the extra prj scaling

[south zephyr]

It's weird you can reliably freeze bosses but can't stun

[eager carbon]

cause the formula is different

and freeze has many multipliers

[south zephyr]

I meant weird as in game design decision vs weird as in I don't understand

[ionic inlet]

For sure gonna have some petrified conditions later 😏

[south zephyr]

Well not on bosses

[eager carbon]

petrifiy is freeze basically

you won't be doing both

[silk cedar]

the issue with stun damage multipliers is that they only do anything when you don't need them

[south zephyr]

I mean they help when you're high corruption on packs

[shell wedge]

0.8% chance to petrify bosses

[ionic inlet]

Agree, useless but people seem to like it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell wedge]

more than no chance

[south zephyr]

They're crazy about the DoT block part mostly

[silk cedar]

it's also really easy to get LP on apparently and you get a large amount of block chance & effectiveness

[shell wedge]

petrify will be unlikely to play an sizeable role in any build

at 4% chance on rare mobs and 0.8% chance on bosses

[eager carbon]

block effect on DoT, giga block % and good effectiviness

also 2lp is not impossible

[terse harness]

Im patiently waiting Wrouk's forge guard video

[eager carbon]

since you can just spam the woven echo

[shell wedge]

even 3lp isn't that bad

[eager carbon]

petrify is the last thing you read on this shield

[quiet hearth]

hell 3lp isnt even that bad, like 1 in 240?

[silk cedar]

1 in 237 pre CoF/corruption for 3lp if lastepochtools is correct
It also says it's 100% drop from that woven echo

[shell wedge]

get a 1lp shield, get a t7 block effectiveness exalted shield and slam that mod on it

[analog steppe]

The only thing I expect them to change on the shield is the lpl, it’s set too low

[shell wedge]

you get instant 2.1-2.5k block effectiveness

[hidden dock]

Which is all you need really

around 2.5k is where dimenishing returns start to hit hard

[slate hatch]

sup chads, anyone cooking Phalanx + shield?

[shell wedge]

it all depends on how fast you can farm memory amber, since you can just buy the woven echo for the shield boss

[unreal monolith]

I made it but not sure how much damage can

[eager carbon]

spam tombs/cemes from woven tree and pop cocoons for amber

ez

[unreal monolith]

you make that?

[slate hatch]

im not the best at making builds, but im trying to cook some Phalanx + Bastion of Honour, im thinking of going crit with Peak of the Mountain and i think Titan Heart will be big value

[unreal monolith]

I made this. but I don't know how much damage vegeance do it

[lofty creek]

not worth.

[unreal monolith]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNVP12yo

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (66) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 4,037, Regen: 1,115.87/s
▸ Mana: 110.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 83 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 73% / 73% / 106% / 84% / 73% / 96%
▸ EHP: 22,911 / 23,585 / 23,585 / 53,435 / 25,323 / 23,585 / 24,057

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 957
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 79% (11,300)
▸ Block Chance: 78%, Mitigation: 47% (1,825)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Rallying Block (10/10), Frenzy, Haste, Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Vengeance (24)
• Javelin (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Shield Bash (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Phalanx
• Countenance of Majasa
• Peak of the Mountain
• Quicksilver Coil

[slate hatch]

hard to tell without actual gameplay

[slate hatch]

can u elaborate

[lofty creek]

Vengeance = melee
Jav = throwing
If you go bleed instead (Jav + Vengeance synergy), it is strictly inferior to bleed hammers even if you take siege barrage

you can try it, it'll work to a point

[slate hatch]

they also both scale with strength and have some decent crit multis

[lofty creek]

most importantly, Jav proc COMPLETELY depends on you being attacked, which means its damage scales as a function of your enemy's attack speed

which is... not something you want.

[slate hatch]

with vengance you can get like 3 repostes per hit no?

[lofty creek]

the Javelin will proc when you actually riposte i.e. when a mob attacks you and you counterattack

[arctic tartan]

No, you get three chances to riposte per vengeance. Each needs an individual attack to trigger

[unreal monolith]

I don't know it's good but anyway try it.

I rather focused vegeance not javelin though.

[ripe blade]

From a quick glance, I would suggest :

• Moving the 1 point in sentinel passive from Relentless to Armour Clad for that 5/5 since you are a melee build
• I'd drop the point in Dark Maw to somewhere else. I don't think that random 5% health leech on kill will do anything significant with your passive healing and on-hit healing. You risk dying to one shot imho. Healing after kill is meh in that scenario.
• I'd change the prophecy blade to a nagasa scimitar since the implicit are useless for MS ignite
• I love your use of judgement as a mana battery to sustain MS extra sword vs single targets + healing. Would drop thre 2/2 Destructive impact since you're not using it for damage but as a buff to yourself. Perhaps pick Holy eruption and Cleansing light for a passive cleanse?
• For MS i'd take 3 points out of Guarding Stance to first max out Path of the Knight (More Damage bucket buffs ignite) and also grab Doctrine of the Anvil for that extra sword stack. Yes it will slow down your ramp up time for Determination a wee bit, but the gain > cost. Your MS will be a tad slower on each swing but you'd go from 3 stacks to 4 stacks. A 33% increase in output at the cost of -12% attack speed. Worth. You can also afford the mana cost since you use Judgement. Lastly, I'd give a spin to Hack n Slash. Same reasonning as Doctrine : Slower attack but this one is straight up doubling your hit portion per MS use. It's basically x2 ignite proc at the cost of a lengthy 1.7 animation. I say give a spin because been locked into place longer, while a strong dps increase, might not be fun to play and possibly annoy you vs boss mechanism.
• Holy aura : Flame burst is not as good as it sounds since the ignite it will apply won't have the potency of those from MS. Those freed points moved to Shelter from the Storm and Firestorm would be better and free up passive points tied to +resistance. I get it if you picked it for levelling purpose, but it won't scale into corruption 🙂
  (part 1/2)

[slate hatch]

i mean i agree that it might not be the strongest build, i just got caught up in stacking block chance for the more dmg for vengance, with stacking strength that scales both veng and jav i got up to 214% block chance

[ionic inlet]

With vengeance you can have Jav cost a lot = free multi from forge guard node and use it every time you lunge anyway

Shouldn't be bad imo

[vernal frigate]

Do these two passives on Symbols of hope stack? eg you get 25% inc damage per symbol AND 15% inc void damage per symbol?

[ripe blade]

part 2/2
Lastly : Volatile reversal only benefit is the 15% dot increase from Time Rift. I would explore other option like Shield Toss for Collosus and other buffs or Abyssal echos for Crumbling + enemy debuffs... Tbh i'd pick a transversal skill though for quality of life, dodging mechanism and moving faster through echoes.
General stuff : you're missing armor shred.

[silk cedar]

Yeah. You also get 6 flat void damage per symbol

[lofty creek]

Lunge is on a 4s CD assuming you have CDR only from passive tree, closer to 3s with some gear investment. Jav proc from Vengeance is locked to how many times you're actually being attacked.
Like I said, it's not worth, the synergies simply aren't there despite what the item may show. Vengeance is great single target with it, but your clear will suck in a lot of situations where you're not actively being attacked quick enough.
It's up to you. It'll still work fine to push, you'll just be slow with clearing.

[vernal frigate]

😩 i really wanted to go vengeance for the DR but that is soo strong........ literally 29% more damage on my build

[slate hatch]

are you saying that if i block a hit it doesnt give me riposte?