🔱┃sentinel

[polar spire]

sine doom does 400 a tick, stacks 4 times, and you can get 1500% inc stun, so thats 1500% inc doom damage

[tired sorrel]

i think im going to play a void forge guard. i wonder how misguided my attempt will be.

[polar spire]

if you do ailment forge strike you're fine

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if I can get enough mana to stack all dots and abuse no cd FS

[cobalt blade]

I prioritize arena echoes nodes in weaver tree cuz i am playing smelter's wrath

[tired sorrel]

i was thinking of trying to get the shield spell damage in the Paladin passive tree and use Ravaging Aura with a two hander

[polar spire]

and you get to irritate vk players by showing them this

[cobalt blade]

Its so stunnin

[quiet hearth]

the day they give me a fire conversion for that aura I will never play anything else

[polar spire]

thats 200% increased dot for forge strike per 2x2 idol lol

and then 25% per 1x1

[quiet hearth]

or let void cleave use maces so I can use bhuldars wrath and VC/EQ someone into oblivion

[polar spire]

those idols can also all run void over time or void damage instead of phys

[quiet hearth]

Like, do you even rally need the no cd, it's a 2s cd without it

[short viper]

50% elemental taken as void + ravenous void (less void damage taken on top of the other DR) is going to pop off like crazy

[lone flicker]

gonna start with javelin, one handed and block

[quiet hearth]

Mark my works, Vengeance VK is gonna be facetanking so much

[polar spire]

grab the orian rings and symbols of hope, its time for RIGHTEOUS VOID

[vernal frigate]

yep so many insane DR nodes on VK

vengeance and symbols of hope too

less damage taken from nearby enemies

etc

[tired sorrel]

Void Aegis passive too

[quiet hearth]

just casually ignoring like...at least 40% of all incoming damage

[vernal frigate]

yeah..

[wheat light]

I still think pally can get tankier

[vernal frigate]

and anchor so strong, insta cap endurance %

[quiet hearth]

I dont think so, at least not in terms of just raw mitigation, their recovery is absolutely insane though

[vernal frigate]

yeah

[wheat light]

I don't think vk can get max block tho

[short viper]

that's what titan heart is for

[wheat light]

Yeah but then you can't wear Uber chest

[vernal frigate]

uber chest?

[quiet hearth]

VK wont need max block with that level of mitigation, but it's nice to see each one having their niche...well, not FG strangely enough

[short viper]

FG will be able to get 2h rive bonuses while wielding a shield

[wheat light]

The 20% dr based on over capped res chest

[vernal frigate]

ooh null portent

[short viper]

it might be the best out of the 3 lol

[vernal frigate]

thats just from regular abby doe

[quiet hearth]

I dont think so, but 1h2h Rive is gonna be funny that is for sure

[short viper]

sentinel is not really a first day aberroth farmer, you will have plenty of time to appreciate both

[wheat light]

If I get lucky with uniques maybe. Not going MG

[quiet hearth]

Now I do think someone is gonna do something stupid with that potion crit belt and hybrid hp

[polar spire]

time to run phalanx and face of the mountain

jkjk

[quiet hearth]

I legit think bleed vengeance with that is gonna be solid too

[polar spire]

naaaa torkrefin + face bleed vengeance

[vernal frigate]

no more fraily needed on gloves on VK is so good 😩

thanks to Woe

[tired sorrel]

woe is good

[lilac sparrow]

What's so good about anchor

Ain't dread banner better

[grave prairie]

gonna be a blast playing multistrike FG and Crit Javelin FG/Paladin!

[vernal frigate]

got every stat a VK needs pretty much

and insta caps Endurance

[lilac sparrow]

It's free future strike now that future strike isn't a passive anymore

[polar spire]

if you play lightning jav, you can hybrid crit/dot extremely well

on paladin

[grave prairie]

I'll take a look, I was working off the Maxroll Jav build but might take it into the build planner and swap some stuff around, main thing I was worried about was being tanky on Paladin Jav, thus the option to go Forge Guard for a little less damage, but then I also thought about Fire Jav on Forge Guard

triky decisions tbh

[polar spire]

the 5 point bonus enables super hybrid crit/dot lightning jav

[quiet hearth]

once I get into the season a bit, I fully plan to see how many dots I can stack on forge strike abusing that stun-dot dmg node

[grave prairie]

HUGE HOLY MOLY

[polar spire]

if you run multistrike fiery justice, the forge strike on every 4th armament stack, isnt counted towards the cooldown, so you can weave in a free on cooldown forge strike during it at any point

[quiet hearth]

That is the plan, I used it with ruby fang last season to surprising effect and all the new nodes really help

[turbid dome]

I wana see the triple dot threat become a BIG build

[quiet hearth]

with the time rot changes I might be able to make it 5x now

[turbid dome]

rip future strike

[quiet hearth]

it died so time rot could live

[turbid dome]

it never got to live

[polar spire]

T7 inc stun suffix on weapon, T7 inc stun suffix on gloves, inc stun 2x2 and 1x1 prefix idols, Somnia helm if you want the inc stun there

[quiet hearth]

shhh, let it rest in peace now

[polar spire]

melee stun doesnt count towards it of course, sadly

[turbid dome]

never!

[polar spire]

dont worry guys, future strike still lives

theres dread banner relic as well

righteous void

[quiet hearth]

Im tinkering with a phys MS//FS hybrid health FG right now, I think I might be onto something

these have promising synergy

[turbid dome]

🤔

[quiet hearth]

press potion button, receive like 500 hp/ward

[turbid dome]

big potion drinker

[polar spire]

big chungus potion chugga

[quiet hearth]

Then you use wall of nothing to get a lot of ward ret from stacking endurance

[polar spire]

dont forget to include your free shield bash health potions!

[turbid dome]

if only you could have the beer belt for only beers dropping

[polar spire]

why doesnt a beer hat exist

like

actually

[quiet hearth]

MTX when

now what shield to use

[polar spire]

potion beer hat where all potions become beer

which already exists for the beer part

need a hat unique

beer hat unique with huge potion bonuses but you're permanently inflicted with blind

[grave prairie]

playing around with the build planner and I'm worried about where i should take the 5 points from on the maxroll build to get that Judgement of the Storm Talen, Taking points off of Covenant of Domination is gonna lose me 40% increased Lightning and Physical Damage to enable Judgment of the Storm.
That, or I can take out 5 points in Weapon Master in FG tree to get Judgment, but then I lose 5 Strength (eh) and 5% crit strike chance

[polar spire]

40% increased is nothing

thats like a t3 affix on a random piece of gear

[grave prairie]

yeah thats what i was thinking, but i wanted reassurance since it not a "more" modifier but an "increased" modifier

[polar spire]

if it were 40% more that'd be a whole nother story

[grave prairie]

Prob would be a lot scarier if it was a "more"

yeaaaaa

[quiet hearth]

How many evade charges can we get?

[polar spire]

3 if i remember right

dunno if any evade uniques give more or not

idk i never evade in the game, forget it exists 99% of the time

[quiet hearth]

because I wanna also do glacier dodge build

[polar spire]

someone needs to run the crab minion evade unique

[quiet hearth]

I tried, the minion doesnt have aoe

[polar spire]

even though it has area tag?

[quiet hearth]

yeah, he jut slaps one thing at a time

[grave prairie]

one more question i had. what are my other okay choices for movement unspecced on Sentinel, as I really don't like Lunge but am not sure what else to use

[quiet hearth]

HH, VC, Shield rush

You got options

[polar spire]

HH doesnt count

they said unspecced

[quiet hearth]

oh Im blind

[polar spire]

i spec smite teleport on almost every build since it can cross gaps and walls

[turbid dome]

Neither does void cleave

even tho vc is the best movement skill

[quiet hearth]

Wait...there was a cast static orb on evade wand?

[polar spire]

too bad static orb just got nerfed

well, the mana portion on it did

prob works fine for us

[quiet hearth]

Im just here to meme, if I wanna kill ubers I'll just copy whatever broken thing people are using

[polar spire]

thats essentially my schtick

i mean im making a numlock autocast rive toilet that pulls everything on screen into you, while popping Oblivion Wave and Divine Flare everytime you hit endurance threshold

arena build

[turbid dome]

Time to go make anomaly a main damage skill again

[polar spire]

weird way to spell smite

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I wonder how evade glacier targets things

[turbid dome]

Doesn’t any triggered thing get shot at the nearest target

[quiet hearth]

it says along it's path, but we all know it's gonna be weird

[turbid dome]

Ah

[polar spire]

i feel like stuff like heartseeker helm and sig shield just really makes you wanna make afk builds

oh hey thats neat

[quiet hearth]

Yeah it is

[polar spire]

with the fact some builds can immediately enter mono's the moment they hit end of time, getting early access to factions gonna be awsome

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, it's building to, you play the long game once, then dont have to do it again unless you want to, which is the perfect balance imo

[polar spire]

i hear when you do the dungeon skips, the bosses will always reward idol slots and passive points

[turbid dome]

Yeah (believe it’s a quest from the guy outside each dungeon)

Not all the points but it’s not hard to do a couple of quests on your way through to finish them up

[quiet hearth]

oh no, it's almost 1am, well I've messed up

[turbid dome]

I’m half asleep in bed how dare you

[waxen nymph]

Probably my starter
Void Beam + Void Fissure

[quiet hearth]

Vengeance HH all dot is looking pretty nice ngl

[hybrid turtle]

Am simple man, will just do bleedy spinny hammerdinny

[quiet hearth]

I thought about ignite hammers since pally gets so much early ignite

[hybrid turtle]

Suppose one could start as ignite and transition later, depending on drops

[radiant vortex]

Hmm? <_<

[dense spindle]

I’ll try my luck leveling with vk rive 2h bleed and ignite, rushing the 2h dots forge guard passive

[radiant vortex]

Drop the build

I'm gettin torn between so many paths

[dense spindle]

Don’t have one, it’s a leveling build, i’ll just wing it

[rigid dragon]

so no void knight

[polar spire]

i have always hated void knight, its not my cup of tea

i dont like any of its abilities, unless i swap them to fire

[subtle heron]

I didn't like VK is season 1 but I suspect devouring orb auto cast to be fun for the VK in season 2.

Though Paladin is still my favorite mastery for sentinel.

[turbid dome]

While entirely valid

😭

But vk

[dense spindle]

To each their own, don’t forget that one of the best ways to enjoy a game is playing whatever class/spec/build you enjoy

[turbid dome]

Ye

[visual lagoon]

guys what build would be better for endgame + abberoth? warpath / lightning smite / erasing strikes? idk what to pick

[radiant vortex]

hmmm

[dense spindle]

Warpath or erasing most likely

[radiant vortex]

Forge Strike

[dense spindle]

Had to double check you said forge strike

Couldn’t believe what i’m seeing kekw

[radiant vortex]

I'm considering some deep memes here

[visual lagoon]

lightning fissure smite paladin wont be op with the new changes?

[waxen nymph]

Not op but it look strong

[dense spindle]

In theory it is strong, in practice we’ll have to find out

[polar spire]

just abberath or will you try for uber as well?

[dense spindle]

As there’s not much precedence of a smite fissure build to compare and “mentally adjust” the power level using the new changes

[polar spire]

i feel like vengeance/es could handle aberath

[visual lagoon]

i want to try uber aswell

[balmy mountain]

Do you guys think forged weapons will be able to do uber aberoth / high corruption 500+?

[junior wren]

they can do high corruption today, so yes

[waxen nymph]

I am sure Divine Flare will be able to do Ubberoth

[languid wind]

Do nodes like this impact your forged weapons? Or just exactly what's on your weapon stats itself?

[junior wren]

just weapon stats

[languid wind]

tyvm ❤️ Does anyone do hybrid where you're also doing damage and your forged weapons also do? Or is it really about leaning into 1 of the options? (Hybrid player & minion dmg typiucally realy hard in ARPGs right)

[amber solstice]

Can you recommend a VK leveling guide ?

[balmy mountain]

What version can do high corruption right now? Crit? Cant find any builds with forged weapons that push high corruption

[junior wren]

you're sort of a hybrid by default, since you need damage stats so your minions get damage stats too 😄

[junior wren]

are there versions? AFAIK crit is mandatory in hit builds

[heady pumice]

Is there an ability that im overlooking that fits in this build? (Ignore Abyssal echoes)

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Brd3qw5A

[radiant vortex]

borked link

[junior wren]

I clicked on Aaron's video. Did he just nerf his smite build? 🤔 he had a wand and now he's using the new weaver's will sword with DoT Penetration.

The sword is great for electrify for sure, but his version is supposed to be a hit build 😄

[heady pumice]

Haha i forgot .com fixed now

[hallow knoll]

yeah the sword makes no sense in his build ngl

[arctic tartan]

Uhm. Is this supposed to be a forged weapon build that isn't skilling Forged Strike?

[junior wren]

Also good luck getting those affixes 😄

[gusty abyss]

If he was DoT based with fissure, I could see it

But crit? o-O

[hallow knoll]

also is there a reliable way to dump mana for devotion now? the sigils change actually hurts selfcast crit smite

[arctic tartan]

I've been warned about aaron in the past. Supposedly mostly a game tourist who releases videos with a high mismatch of confidence vs knowledge

[hallow knoll]

I guess Judgement

I would stay away from his builds for the most part

[radiant vortex]

going for a warpath build with forgemaster is a choice

[dense spindle]

can someone please explain to me how this actually works?

does MA receive all of the affixes on the weapon that i use?

[heady pumice]

Are you talking about mine? Im not decided between warpath or forge strike yet. Both summon forged weapons anyway so i thought it would be fine-ish?

[junior wren]

I see his builds as mostly pretty good

some mistakes here and there

[radiant vortex]

no point to go for summon forged weapons nodes if you're not speccin the skill at all

[dense spindle]

i believe forge strike also offers some forged weapons buffs / passives other than just summoning

[arctic tartan]

Yeah that was about yours. There a TON of buffs to all forged weapons in the forged strike tree.

[junior wren]

shield rush too

[heady pumice]

So i just swap abyssal echoes with forge strike and get a bunch of passives? And use warpath for clearing and forge strike for ST? Or would that be counter intiuative. I could use healing hands with forge strike though

[radiant vortex]

also using uhkeiros but not getting crushing blows?

[arctic tartan]

I haven't looked too deep into your planner after I didn't understand it the first time. If you are scaling your minions you don't particularly need a single target skill, since your minions will do all the damage anyway

[heady pumice]

Yeah i played to like level 70 yesterday with forge strike in one sitting

And they were doing mad damage

[radiant vortex]

using forge strike to trigger weapons is.. hit and miss for ppl

you'll need to get the no cd node if you wanna use it at all

[heady pumice]

But i used multi strike aswelll

To proc weapons for sure. But i didnt wibe with that ability

[radiant vortex]

warpath is good cos you can just spin and they spawn and theres' no real effort required

[heady pumice]

Yeah thats why i was going to try to swap multi strike for warpath in 2.0

[arctic tartan]

Sorry I can't exactly understand your build plan. If you want your minions to hurt more you need to invest into minion stats.

[radiant vortex]

this build is pmuch split between self attack and minions and you'd need to decide which you wanna do <_<

[arctic tartan]

Wrouk! Where is MA guide?

[fair hollow]

Yes all generic stats fron weapons will affect MA, unique effects like volcanus magnus shards on hit will not work

[fair hollow]

On its way 😅 im not used to making videos yet

[radiant vortex]

you can use the forged weapons just to buff your melee fire dmg sure, that's legit as well

but at that point I don't understand why your warpath isn't specced into fire

[dense spindle]

is the unique effects not applying part only for weapon or all equipment slots that can be transfered to MA?
asking cause rule of the simoon would seem cool on MA i guess

[radiant vortex]

I believe its all

[junior wren]

😄

[fair hollow]

all

[dense spindle]

womph womph no fun allowed T_T

[fair hollow]

would cause too many broken interactions

hard to balance it then

[dense spindle]

yea... 150% chance to cast stationary tornadoes that shred fire res or smth like that

[fair hollow]

funny enough the life's journey shield stat line that gives spirit plague on hit does work, propably cus its coded as a generic ailment

not that you can scale its dmg enough sadly

[heady pumice]

I have no idea how minions scale

[junior wren]

minion damage

[arctic tartan]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/minions

[dense spindle]

minions scale off minion stats, like minion damage, minion penetration, pretty much everything that starts with "minion"
except a few cases when they can scale off regular stuff like gloves with phantom grip, MA that literally receives a copy of some of your equipment pieces, etc

[arctic tartan]

If you just pick more "increased physical damage" that will do nothing for your minions

[junior wren]

*unless it's on the weapon and you're a forged weapons build

[heady pumice]

They dont scale at all with other stats? Like increased physical damage etc?

[junior wren]

*or unless it's on helmet/bodyarmor/gloves/boots and you're a manifest armor build

[heady pumice]

Aah okay good to know

[junior wren]

basically exceptions apply

[arctic tartan]

The "gimmick" for Forged Weapons is that they use your weapon stats. So anything that you have there can be considered a minion stat (outside of unique modifiers)

[heady pumice]

Can you even build a forge knight and ignore the forged weapons?

[arctic tartan]

Yeah. They are well supported but not mandatory

[junior wren]

sure

[dense spindle]

yea

[arctic tartan]

Like Time Rot for VK

[heady pumice]

What abilties do you usually build around if we assume you want to be a self hitting forge knight?

[radiant vortex]

Forge Strike itself is a good selfhit ability

[dense spindle]

shield bash, smelter's wrath, shield charge, etc

[radiant vortex]

I think your builds solid and you can use the summoned guys to boost your fire dmg you'd just need to convert warpath to fire and fix your dmg scalin mods on a lot of items

[heady pumice]

So i lean into fire more? And minion damage instead of personal increases?

[radiant vortex]

you decide which yo uwant

either you keep all the 2h hit crit stuff and use the summoned weapons to boost your fire hit via (change the phys dmg off btw)

or you swap off the self hit stuff and get more attributes / nodes that scale the minions

[junior wren]

there's no Forge Knight btw., I'm assuming you're talking about Forge Guard as a class. For hitting you can either play Rive or Multistrike builds. If you want to hit with Forge Strike, you can too, but you probably need a spender + generator combo. That means you need one ability to give you mana back.

[gusty abyss]

Or a couple mana regen affixes together with jav reduced cost node?

[heady pumice]

Yeah forge guard my bad!

[radiant vortex]

Vengeance all the way bbyyyy

Phalanx gonna go hard af #trustmebro

[junior wren]

right, those are just the most used builds. You can make a hitting build with many other skills too, like Skyqula and FinnBear mentioned

[radiant vortex]

I'm unironically considerin a javelin healin effect build to fill the screen with holy ground to melt ppls faces <_<

[heady pumice]

Yeah i will look around more and see what i end up with thanks for the input

The tooltip dps helped me alot when i did my test run yesterday with forge strike. I managed to get like 50k crits in like a 12 hour session and i was never even close to dying. But i assume the game picks up when you start going into corruption

Which i havent done yet

[junior wren]

I started telling people that until you kill your first Harbinger, you're playing the tutorial 😄

[heady pumice]

Yeah thats kinda how it feels 😅

[junior wren]

but who knows, maybe the difficulty will go up with the new champions

but it probably won't

[lilac sparrow]

Ain't fire dot FG really good

[heady pumice]

No idea! Does that mean ignite stacking?

[lilac sparrow]

Yeah they use smelter for it

[little temple]

Ignite smelters wrath will probably be really strong but really clunky to play

[radiant vortex]

hmmm, warpath forged weapons fire dmg is lookin kinda juicy ngl <_>

[heady pumice]

How does that ability work? Can you move while using it?

[little temple]

Nope. Its facetank for 2 seconds

[dense spindle]

nope, you sit and channel then release

[heady pumice]

[lilac sparrow]

You are going to use shield along with it so you have survival

[dense spindle]

dots would like to have a word unless you use the new op op shield

[radiant vortex]

15 cap for forged weapons right?

[little temple]

Dots are nerfed though

[heady pumice]

2 second channel sounds like a nice way to die

[radiant vortex]

6 base, +3 from set, +4 from skill, +2 from tree

[dense spindle]

iirc from patch notes they are pretty much the same just that they receive only half the increase from corruption
it's just a matter of time and corruption until they are 1 frame death again

[little temple]

Yeah and 15% less damage I think

[dense spindle]

pretty sure this is going to be mandatory to push extremely high corruption as a shield/block build

[radiant vortex]

build dependant

the mods nice but we have a lot of ways to mitigate dots and the change to dots is highest for corruption scalin

however if delayed dmg is counted as DoT and thus affected by mods like that

[little temple]

And you can get quite a lot of armor applies to dot

[little temple]

Its not

[radiant vortex]

then its not effective immortality shame D:

[little temple]

The gloves state its not dot on the item

[radiant vortex]

you can probably use majasa with some armour applies to dots to have more hp regen than 99% of enemy dots anyway

these can't be a random drop tho right

[junior wren]

lots of new bonuses to DoT mitigation too, in pally and VK tree

[radiant vortex]

like ok you can potentially self hit for a lot but still

[radiant vortex]

4% spell base crit and spell leech with dmg delay from rares / bosses is insanity

[waxen nymph]

Mana reflected to you is kinda scary

[dense spindle]

just outleech it

[radiant vortex]

so many free things to use, so many where the dmg is a lot less than whatever leech you're gettin

[junior wren]

imagine using it on pious offering judgement builds

[little temple]

But irrelevant for ward builds since it cant kill you

[waxen nymph]

Its Spent not consumed ^^

[junior wren]

that's incorrect, not all ward builds play low life

[radiant vortex]

if your dmg is less than 250x your mana cost then you deserve to go down to 1 hp from it

[polar spire]

quin's cryin right now

wtf

[radiant vortex]

heck it might be a strat for you as well

self forcing to low hp

[junior wren]

oh. Hmm, then same idea but change the build to judgement spam builds 😄

wait those gloves are good, base spell crit item 👀

[radiant vortex]

Thats what I'm saying

[cobalt blade]

How do you get a total of +4 from skill?

[dense spindle]

for which skill?

[cobalt blade]

Forged Weapon summoning

[dense spindle]

well forged weapons passive in forge strike

[radiant vortex]

is there a way to disable the hotkeys on the planner site

hate that random keys open menus

[junior wren]

unplug the keyboard

[radiant vortex]

[polar spire]

its using the same keys as ingame

LOL

[dense spindle]

give me an example to try something
nvm, it's not an onKeyDown event

[radiant vortex]

s opens skills menu

[radiant vortex]

you don't wanna know what my personal bindings look like

[cobalt blade]

Oh right i miscalculate

[radiant vortex]

I use an orbweaver while gamin, I can never tell anyone wtf opens what >_>

[polar spire]

i have it in my key registry that my caps lock and shift are swapped, i use caps lock to sprint in games

[arctic tartan]

Ailment duration is a more multiplier for the total damage of a dot right? LIke if Time Rot does 60 damage over 3 seconds (20 dps) then 50% increased duration will make it 90 damage over 4.5?

[dense spindle]

yes, otherwise there would be little to no point in taking duration

[radiant vortex]

cursed

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[arctic tartan]

I'm just slightly wondering why letools doesn't factor duration into the total damage calculation for a dot

But then it states the duration immediately under 🤔

[radiant vortex]

tools can't do any math

[polar spire]

because everyone actually lied

i dunno ask dammitt

[dense spindle]

doing damage calcs in planners is a monumental amount of work, especially for arpgs

[junior wren]

because it says base

[radiant vortex]

path of buildin is actually quite impressive

esp with its recommended features

[junior wren]

they've been buildin it for a while

[radiant vortex]

And considering how much stuff ggg obfuscates for no apparent reason >_>

[dense spindle]

and quite a few contributors and some of them are very specialised in calculating damage/stats for a niche like minions or traps etc

[arctic tartan]

It's just shoving a couple of numbers around. How hard can it be? /s

[junior wren]

LE dps calculator when?

[languid wind]

Rive's "Scrap Metal" node (turning forged weapons into a buff instead) doesn't count as forged weapons for the set that gives extra dmg per forged weapon, right?

[radiant vortex]

I'd assume so

[arctic tartan]

Lemme vibe code one. How hard can it be.

[dense spindle]

scrap metal is scrap metal
forged weapon is forged weapon
it doesn't count for sure

[languid wind]

Okay great thanks

[vernal frigate]

yeah ive seen some stupid ehp numbers already on pally builds

[radiant vortex]

ask chatgpt to make it /s

[arctic tartan]

Isn't that what vibe coding is?

[junior wren]

oh my god, imagine if scrap counted you can go to like 50 stacks no? 😄

[dense spindle]

the result will be anything with more than 3 multipliers deals 20dps at most kekw

[radiant vortex]

you''re not playing pally if you're not already rockin stupid ehp

[dense spindle]

partially

[vernal frigate]

babblingbike's bleed hammer build for example

[radiant vortex]

what is this, a ss for ants?

[dense spindle]

no, but a really good screenshot to hide the ehp vs dots kekw

[lilac sparrow]

Yes

[vernal frigate]

best i could get

sec ill link the buildplanner

[radiant vortex]

whys the img so damn tiny

[junior wren]

my 1.1 tanky boi

[vernal frigate]

WTF

[polar spire]

ctrl + scroll wheel, zooms btw

[dense spindle]

disgusting, link pls

[polar spire]

and then its just rebuke

[clever hazel]

builds with giga EHP vs hits but bad vs dots and/or bad max hit taken crack me up

[vernal frigate]

yeah it was a ss from his video

[junior wren]

With Rebuke 😄

[polar spire]

giga ehp but quin zdps

[vernal frigate]

true

[clever hazel]

"look at all this effort I put in to surviving tiny hits! look at it!"

[radiant vortex]

whys void cleave only 30% cdr within the skill :L

[vernal frigate]

and i was reading some of the new ailments and ailment changes, i never knew these existed

max stacks: unlimited

anyone know how these are applied?

[clever hazel]

getting hit by avoidable mechanics generally

couldn't tell you the exact ones

[vernal frigate]

yeah i assumed that, im lookin now for the actual attacks

[safe oasis]

the shield throw void conversion idol doesn't impact lava burst right?

[clever hazel]

it should in season 2 I think

IIRC patch notes said something about EHG making conversions apply consistently to subskills

[safe oasis]

ahk

[vernal frigate]

kinda vague due to our lack of info but just for discussion sake, in what ways do you all think uber abberoth is made as difficult as it is?

[junior wren]

It's only a planner that I made for fun, but honestly, it should perform pretty okay given it's a judgement build.

[vernal frigate]

they did mention theres new mechanics and stuff

but i hope its not just numerical stuff or things you can afk tank with the most tanky classes

[clever hazel]

inb4 it's just turbo twinned abberoth

[vernal frigate]

like failable mechanics

[clever hazel]

"dodge this"

[vernal frigate]

😆

im getting ptsd, i can hear that voice line in my head

is that from the female harby?

[polar spire]

"think fast chucklenuts"

[woven temple]

nah its certainly going to have a secret mythic phase where it transforms into a paladin with a set of completely new skills and mechanics

[polar spire]

i want poe2's rogue exiles in last epoch

[scenic gyro]

you mean champions?

[polar spire]

i wanna get jumped like the shade of orobyss ambush node in the weaver tree

[polar spire]

naaa, pvp but its pve

imagine joining someones public lobby and they dont tell you they have the shade of orobyss jumps you in maps modifier, and you run off on your own and get jumped

[rancid lantern]

Ravaging Aura still isnt much of a thing even with the Aberroths Command, right?

[dense spindle]

"hey, can you please help me with my map?"
"sure, any bad mods?"
"nah"
the mods:
-40% max res, you deal 6% damage, monsters literally get tickled, your armor is reversed

[polar spire]

your bones crinkle when you walk

[rancid lantern]

Hey that's just IRL map mod

[scenic gyro]

it might work with the time rot changes now but was very underperforming in 1.1

[rancid lantern]

why would timerot changes affect ravaging aura

i dont see the connection

[scenic gyro]

more dot dmg?

[polar spire]

huh?

[rancid lantern]

But thats timerot, not ravaging aura

[polar spire]

im so tired i cant understand if i dont understand or if you dont understand

[dense spindle]

hell yea, dorb autobomber is so good but i'm actually doing 95% of my damage with erasing strike, literally that's how it sounds like

[scenic gyro]

yea i know ^^ but you can apply timerot on top, im not saying that time rot scales ravging aura

[rancid lantern]

Yeah so... that's, respectfully, unrelated lol

[scenic gyro]

if it makes the build work ?

[rancid lantern]

Oh you mean the more multi per time rot kind of modifiers like the set would affect ravaging aura. Eh, if it affects all of the builds, it kinda cancels out

[dense spindle]

i mean you can slap ravaging aura on any half decent build that can accomodate it and it would work but that doesn't mean ravaging aura pulls its weight

[rancid lantern]

🫵

so im cooking a void smite fissure build with beams

[dense spindle]

drop the beams and it might be better kekw

[polar spire]

just make sure you dont drop the beans too

[vernal frigate]

Asked a few hrs ago but wasnt able to get many answers. Anyone know if you need devouring orb on your ability bar for it to autocast itself (or any other similar skill) with the Abyssal Rush node? If not then we could swap it out for Rebuke on our ability bars (for ES build)

[rancid lantern]

I dunno i think beams will be fine

[gusty abyss]

Beams are also counted as a sub skill for smite, dont drop them

[rancid lantern]

Anyway im running aberroths command on this build and I noticed I prefer to have... literally anything else than ravaging aura lol

as void dots go

[polar spire]

the autocast node is new, so we dont know, but ehg wants you to have stuff like that on your bar so ima go out ona limb and say yes

[dense spindle]

you don't usually need to have a skill on the bar if that skill is triggered by another or by a node in the skill itself but since this is a new node nobody knows for sure

[vernal frigate]

ah fair enough ty both 🙏

hopefully

[gusty abyss]

You do for it to have a consumable cooldown, and off cooldown to proc it

[vernal frigate]

😭 noo

[dense spindle]

huh fair point, guess i've never played builds that trigger skills that have a cd yet

[vernal frigate]

yeah me too

[gusty abyss]

Wording matters here

healing hands with a cooldown as movement skill can be procced just fine

But that does not state that it needs to be off cooldown

[vernal frigate]

🤯

ok fingers crossed then

i love iframe abuse in games (not in your typical sense like dodge rolling), like a random skill that makes you immune to damage for 0.2s etc

so rebuke (not true iframe but 80% DR is crazy and its for 8 seconds), and healing hands immunity while travelling

smoke bomb on rogue

[polar spire]

fury leap making you invincible mid leap, using it on werebear, getting the cd down to 1.5/2s

[vernal frigate]

wtffff

never played primalist

[gusty abyss]

Mike also confirmed it here

[vernal frigate]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ty i appreciate it

if the mana essence node on dorb is good enough i might spec out of it on erasing strike on crits

the video showcase was insane, there was like 6 circling the player

[gusty abyss]

That is what maxroll is doing

[vernal frigate]

oh very nice

[gusty abyss]

auto dorb is basically void essence, more void damage and void res shred

[vernal frigate]

ah they still have 1 point in it

are the void essence the same tho? cos the one on ES says itgives 15% inc void dmg and melee damage, but this one on dorb is just the bonuses from the essence itself

[waxen nymph]

I guess they havent updated the tooltip here

[vernal frigate]

ah sweet

[gusty abyss]

So I think outdated tooltip

[vernal frigate]

oh nice so the new one is still better anyway

i think?

9% more vs 60% inc

[gusty abyss]

should be, at high enough increased

[scenic gyro]

does le tools calculate red rings into ehp
i know tunk is better for that, just curious

[gusty abyss]

it does now, under damage taken

[scenic gyro]

hmmmmm i got a setup with and without redrings, both show same numbers in defense tab

[scenic gyro]

ah got it ty ❤️

i think i decided on att stacking, its more ehp and should be heaps more dmg

how convinced are you about the potion find affix on belt?
i dropped it for hp cause its gonna be useless for bossing right

[clever hazel]

bosses drop potions when hit, I assume that chance gets scaled same as all other potion sources

[radiant vortex]

I don't recall if its 1:1 but it does scale it

[small veldt]

They usually drop them at certain breakpoints

Usually ever 25 or 33%

[radiant vortex]

no it's a chance just from hittin

[mellow willow]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/rl8q60l3
FG javelin

[radiant vortex]

ew maxroll

[mellow willow]

ye i know

remaking to LEtools

[scenic gyro]

ty !

[gusty abyss]

I have no idea how good potion find will be, but since we do a lot of hits per second, we can cycle them quick

[dense spindle]

there has to be an internal cd or condition on potion drops from bosses

[gusty abyss]

Now imagine teaming up with a potion generating rogue >.>

[scenic gyro]

infinite dps

[vernal frigate]

is it too early to start making loot filters

[umbral pagoda]

FG better then Paladin for Javelin ?

[hallow knoll]

if you want to be tanky yea

[scenic gyro]

nah you can generate it already, game wont recognize it though

[vernal frigate]

ah nice

[gusty abyss]

I think this depends on what you are doing, electrify jav will be better on paladin, for example

[radiant vortex]

if you want a shield you go FG pmuch

[hallow knoll]

was about to say yea pally is better for beeg electrify ticks

[umbral pagoda]

im gona try Bleed Hammerdin Paladin as starter build hope will be good

[hallow knoll]

bleed hammerdin is goated yeah

[mellow willow]

well paladin is like x2 damage, but for spear + shield u have to go FG

[radiant vortex]

I like the shield throw & lunge** on bars, no 5th skill, then specialized those are replaced by smite / ring: still no 5th skill

least put some points into lunge so you can trigger javelins off of it or somethin I dunno

[visual lagoon]

Warpath good build for controller? im thinking of chilling on the tv with geforce now sometimes

[hallow knoll]

the numbers for electrify with javelin look pretty great so I'm excited to get that up and running next patch

[clever hazel]

I wish we could specialize more skills tbh, it kinda sucks going "I can't specialize in any more skills and I have an empty slot on my skill bar.. guess I'll put rebuke there.. so exciting.."

[junior wren]

Updated my tanky boi to 1.2

[hallow knoll]

yeah warpath is good on controller

[radiant vortex]

only one 4lp red ring right

don't want it to be unachievable

[mellow willow]

for javelin, paladin is: 15% more damage from paladin ascendancy, like 20% more from holy aura, and no ~28% penalty using FG 2h + shield mastery
but shield is like x4 EHP to hits and x2 to dots

[junior wren]

actually both my rings are exalted

[radiant vortex]

oh so just triple t7s okay I gotcha

that'll be easy

[junior wren]

zero triple t7

[hallow knoll]

I couldn't imagine having that much EHP my builds are always fairly glass cannon

[radiant vortex]

I have no idea what I'd do on sentinel to be glass cannon

[junior wren]

forget to add armor

[radiant vortex]

Like you just stumble into maxed res and recovery <_<

[radiant vortex]

But some of those nodes add dmg too!

[clever hazel]

you have to set reasonable limits on your EHP expectations IMO unless you want to use a shield on literally every build you ever play

[junior wren]

you'd be surprised how many ppl "forget" to get tanky 😄

[hallow knoll]

Tu'rani instead of a shield

[small veldt]

A lot of people forget that basic tankiness comes from resists tbh

[radiant vortex]

It's to the point I scoff at almost any build that has rebuke in it

[hallow knoll]

but well, my EHP numbers on my planner are decent for not having a shield imo

[radiant vortex]

Cos why would you ever need to press that

[hallow knoll]

19k phys and 12k everything else

[mellow willow]

with new shield, justifying not using a shield is getting harder and harder, whats why i would really like to see it getting nerfed before patch

[junior wren]

oh wait I can add Rebuke again

[clever hazel]

Do they? I see the exact opposite happen with new players, they go "why am I dying my resists are capped" and you look at their build, 1.2K health, no ward, no armor, no dodge, no block, and no recovery

[junior wren]

with Rebuke

[vernal frigate]

[radiant vortex]

my witchfire lock would still 1 tic you

pvp when

[hallow knoll]

I mean the most important thing is making sure enemies can't crit you, so many people forget that then wonder why they get one tapped in empowered monoliths

[junior wren]

it wouldn't, I have regen too 😄

[vernal frigate]

yeah i notice more and more people not putting more importance into base items too

[gusty abyss]

Rebuk face tank with sigeons and reflect? xD

[radiant vortex]

the 1 tic is more than your max

[clever hazel]

I'm pretty sure any PvP in this game would immediately come with "players take 99% less damage from other players"

[small veldt]

Oh yeah, there's an opposite to it as well ofc, they don't get the other layers of defenses and solely focus on resists alone

[clever hazel]

and ailment builds would probably be awful in PvP because everyone would just spam cleanse

[hallow knoll]

I always focus on health, recovery and crit avoidance/reduced bonus damage taken before capping resists

[junior wren]

usually games have some kind of dmg reduction in pvp, so no I don't think you would

[timid fable]

Does Sentinel have a good melee starter build?

[radiant vortex]

this doesn't have pvp

[junior wren]

I know

[vernal frigate]

yeah bleed hammers

[hallow knoll]

they want to add pvp

[radiant vortex]

so its just a jab about how i'd kill you hypothetically

[small veldt]

Spin2win

[radiant vortex]

I will call the guys at death battle they'll agree with me /s

[obtuse rock]

"Melee"

[hallow knoll]

so we'll eventually see it in the game

[junior wren]

I also know that. But if it had one, it would have to have PVP DR 😉 because every duel would be oneshot

[hallow knoll]

Rive

[radiant vortex]

I honestly don't care for arpg pvp at all

there'd also be pvp healing etc reductions

[hallow knoll]

Rive with Foe Cleaver is pretty low effort to get good damage on

[timid fable]

Is this the VK Rive? Or can it be with any mastery?

[radiant vortex]

generally you'll have to nerf player power so much for any skill expression to come thru

[dense spindle]

can be anything with varying degrees of success

[hallow knoll]

Probably good with any mastery, I mostly play VK and Paladin but it's always been great either way

[radiant vortex]

Now, btw, whats' the fattest source of CDR I can get on gear

[junior wren]

you know what, that ehp wasn't even my final form. I realized I only have 2000 Ward entered in the calculation 😄

[timid fable]

I was actually wondering if I could do forge guard since the 2H SnB sounds tanky

[clever hazel]

32%+32% from t7 on belt and boots, 10%+10% from opal rings, 12% from ascetic gloves; idk if there are other sources, maybe uniques

[junior wren]

I'm tempted to make the tanky boi real and then go test things 😄

[mellow willow]

javelin

[small veldt]

I sort of want to give FK a go with the what looks buffed forged weapons

[vernal frigate]

forge knight

[gusty abyss]

Sentinel also has augury helm for 10%

[hallow knoll]

I might actually try FG for the first time this patch, the 2h + shield sounds like a fun power fantasy for sure

[radiant vortex]

cheers, that'll do

[timid fable]

Rive looks tempting on FG because of the forged weapons node on it.

[radiant vortex]

why do we not have any unique opal rings

[dense spindle]

imo just do forge strike and call it a day, every other skill that summons forged weapons is a lot worse imo

unless you meant the scrap metal node

[timid fable]

I meant the scrap metal node

[small veldt]

Forged weapons being able to be 2h does look like it could be good tho

[rapid slate]

someone help me out here. If I am going Rive + HH, do I focus on STR and levels of Rive or levels of HH

im trying to set up a loot filter

[radiant vortex]

106% inc cooldown recovery is slightly excessive

[polar spire]

why not both

hh is on helm, rive is on chest

[radiant vortex]

does free up points on skill tree tho

[rapid slate]

Gotcha!

[dense spindle]

and sigil is on relic and it could really use a few extra points for 5th sigil / more bonuses

[polar spire]

letools has a loot filter button that makes a loot filter based on what you setup for the build that you can paste ingame

[fair hollow]

symbol auto generating is gonna feel so good

[rapid slate]

yeah I am using that. Just wanted to double check. ty!

[polar spire]

im prob going to activate mine around 50 or so

i typically dont even use a filter till maps

[vernal frigate]

pick it all up

[hallow knoll]

I use mine once I finish getting all the passives and idol slots and then jump to maps

[dense spindle]

more like pick nothing but have no fear that the monsters stopped dropping items

[polar spire]

poe2 be like

[radiant vortex]

I only filter off class stuff initially

[hallow knoll]

although I do use a general loot filter that hides gear with low value affixes but that's it

[polar spire]

poe2: ruthless
last epoch: every rare is a destiny loot cave

[hallow knoll]

I'm honestly quite happy with the change to move most of the loot drops to magic and rare enemies

[dense spindle]

usually i merge a few different loot filters into 1 once i reach monos
CoF: merge a few of the loot filters from builds that i might play in the future
MG: merge current build filter with MG filter

this is the best and easiest way i've found to create a better filter with minimal effort

[vernal frigate]

the 1 thing i dislike, is some monos you have like 2-3 rares every screen, and others you have maybe 1 every 2-3 screens

havent played since 1.0 though

or whenever abberoth came out

but just a minor thing

[ripe cargo]

I bring cursed knowledge with me

Wouold you like to hear this wunholy truth?

are you ready for hte most cursed of knowledge

[polar spire]

no

shuts door

[ripe cargo]

noooooooooo

[radiant vortex]

do I actually even care about the dot dmgs... am I just makin a massive crit void cleave

[ripe cargo]

I will bestow it anyways.

[polar spire]

i knew it

[ripe cargo]

Hammer throw is the best time rot applicator

it's not even close

[radiant vortex]

banned

[ripe cargo]

not even remotely close

[dense spindle]

so? it's capped to 12 stacks, does it even matter?

[ripe cargo]

That's precisely why it matters

Hammer throw does the most more damage

[polar spire]

more than shield rush?

[radiant vortex]

I got a hammer for ya

such heresy will not be tolerated

[ripe cargo]

Doesn't shield rush have a cooldown?

[polar spire]

it can be removed

you can use shield rush 3-4 times a second, and each use hits 3 times

and it has loads of more modifiers

you can couple on HH for 4hits per use

[waxen nymph]

One of the biggest More Dmg has been changed to More Hit Dmg

[vernal frigate]

has any1 here actually used any of the dungeons for the modifiers (like farming more exalted helms, dungeon boss drops a horde of idols) etc?

[ripe cargo]

yeah wshield rush mods are all hit

[vernal frigate]

or are they like not even worth considering

[ripe cargo]

and hamer throw is just actually disgusting

[radiant vortex]

shame double is only for hits =P

[polar spire]

yes, and letools homepage tracks them

[analog steppe]

We looked at hammer throw and it ended up being less mores than orb

[vernal frigate]

so youve personally gone and farmed when its a good day (like a slot of gear you needed was on rotation)?

[dense spindle]

that's why the knowledge was cursed, it was bait all along 😦

[ripe cargo]

it's already 550% damage before chance to deal double d amage.

very little can compare

but you need a very high time rot chance for it to work

[polar spire]

yes

[vernal frigate]

ooh nice

i hope with the dungeon changes they are funner to run too

something in patch notes about layout and less dead ends etc

[radiant vortex]

double dmg is only for hits tho

isn't it?

[polar spire]

wait till you do temporal and use volatile rift

[ripe cargo]

i thought that was poe

i thought last epoch double damage was just double damage

let me read the ndoe

[hallow knoll]

it's for hits

[ripe cargo]

yeah it reads hits

so 550

[radiant vortex]

also where you gettin 550

[ripe cargo]

still respectable

1.51.51.75*1.4

[radiant vortex]

that hurts to look at

[ripe cargo]

im not including the mana nodes here because whatever

[radiant vortex]

use x instead of *

[slim spire]

Guys I'm levelling hammerdin for the 1st time now, and I have 2 questions:

1. Is hammerdin dead?
2. Is your weapon purely a stat stick?

[radiant vortex]

1. are you?
2. maybe.. 🤫

[polar spire]

use eagle wing 1h axe

[ripe cargo]

hammerdin is very dead.

[gusty abyss]

Maybe I am missing something, but isnt warpaths warriors fury a more multiplier? Isnt warslash a more multiplier?

[ripe cargo]

there is very few reasons to not play hammers forgeguard now

since hammers have very few ailment modifiers compared to hit

[polar spire]

yes and yes

and if anything achieves higher dot damage, its warpath's warriors fury depending on your mana

[ripe cargo]

You can play voidadin

void hammer loves the things

[polar spire]

if you can hold a 5/5 warriors fury for 6 seconds, you already have more, more damage than hammer throw

[hallow knoll]

void well is gonna make warrior's fury warpath nuts

[ripe cargo]

yeah warpath is actually a great spender

people just hate playing it that way for some reason

[analog steppe]

Warpath stuff works but the mana situation is big oof

[radiant vortex]

cos it feels clunky af

[polar spire]

and we dont have vr anymore

you'll have to hire 3 mana battery mages to channel focus you

get the wallet out

[ripe cargo]

the trick is to be ok with a downtiem

[gusty abyss]

there is a downtime anyway on anomaly

[slim spire]

are you lying to me? 😦 I equip a 2h and my tooltip dps went up massively

[vernal frigate]

bigger weapon does more damage

[ripe cargo]

also void reifts from erasing strike benifit from erasing strike tree right?

[polar spire]

you throw bigger weapon

unga bunga

[waxen nymph]

@turbid dome Look what they did to our boy

[polar spire]

now go play smelters wrath axe volley hit build with 100 dex and enjoy 1000% more hit damage multi on axe volley

[ripe cargo]

void rifts the trigger spell

[polar spire]

idc about void rifts, i was just replying to the last thing you said instead of pinging

[ripe cargo]

oh oop

@polar spire I present you my project build btw

I hate this shit so much

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYMGERgo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,830, Regen: 27/s
▸ Mana: 132.51, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 47% / 15% / 15% / 40% / 72% / 19% / 19%
▸ EHP: 2,628 / 2,428 / 2,428 / 2,028 / 3,261 / 1,636 / 1,636

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 555
▸ Armor Mitigation: 6% (127)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (21)
• Devouring Orb (21)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Vengeance (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[ripe cargo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNVm2mRo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,870, Regen: 27/s
▸ Mana: 140.51, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 10 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 15% / 15% / 40% / 72% / 23% / 23%
▸ EHP: 5,010 / 4,185 / 4,185 / 4,540 / 5,620 / 2,894 / 2,894

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 582
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,356)
▸ Block Chance: 46%, Mitigation: 20% (250)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (21)
• Devouring Orb (21)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Vengeance (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Blade of the Forgotten Knight
• Defiance of the Forgotten Knight
• Locket of the Forgotten Knight

[ripe cargo]

to take the cursed bullshit a bit deeper

[waxen nymph]

2 hander only

[ripe cargo]

awww

[gusty abyss]

2h still beats forgotten set though, as it also doubles Obliteration

[ripe cargo]

=forgotten knight set is jsut better for time rot

like it just is what it is on that one

[gusty abyss]

1.6 from 2h mace and 2 instead of 1.5, how is forgotten better?

[ripe cargo]

15% attack and cast speed

50% more

immedioatly negating the 50% form non maces

[gusty abyss]

50% pen is not 50% more, you will have more sources of pen

[ripe cargo]

3% more

that's 36% more but you also have to factor in oppturnity cost

you will not

this is time rot

resist is scary for you

although you have to travel down

you can get the 50% damage node instead of the 100 from maces

bringing you up to 150 vs 200 again which if you add 150^ .1.36

your back to 204

but even ignoring pen

the extra time rot chance wil be huge.

as well as having 170% increased damage while you use the shield, and sword

and oh yeah

time rot chance

which even full build is roughlly 30% more

Your not getting 130% pen to get that 50% pen down to 20 now are we?

We haven't even gotten to what happens when you shatter the set.

Forgotten knight set and set affixes are just unbeatable for time rot.

[gusty abyss]

Maybe, gotta math it out. But more more multies is generally stronger than increasing existing multies.

[ripe cargo]

You have any suggestions what to cut to get a movement skill in hte build btw.

It's v ery awkward

[gusty abyss]

hah, no

[slim spire]

can someone eli5 why it's hammerdin, and not hammerknight or hammerguard?

what's the exact skill synergy

[terse harness]

Similar to hammerdin from diablo 2

Hammer paladin

[slim spire]

I mean, that's just the origin right

[dense spindle]

not sure if there's some previous context to your question but
paladin has a lot of free resistances, good passives for dots and hammer throw is good at dealing multiple hits and applying dots

[slim spire]

why isn't forge guard or void knight make better hammer throwers?

[iron plank]

i love devouring orb

[shut ember]

Could you drop veng for lunge or shield rush for mapping? Go back to veng for bossing / until you hit higher corruption where you're pushing and dont need speed?

[dense spindle]

also paladin overall is i'd say one of the most "league starter" friendly subclasses due to how frontloaded it is, simply getting a lot of good stuff from passives and cherry picking a few others from the other classes can almost cap your resistances with 0 items

[slim spire]

ok got it thanks a lot

[terse harness]

paladin mastery gives flat dmg and throw shred chance to hammers which is huge dmg boost

[slim spire]

I see, understood

[dense spindle]

it's not flat, the paladin passive works equally well for any skill, it's just a really good passive as well and having holy aura on top is even more bonuses

[terse harness]

throwing attack dmg and shred

is what i meant

[dense spindle]

ah thought you meant the mastery passive, my bad

[terse harness]

passive yea

[dense spindle]

at first i thought you were talking about this

[slim spire]

wait is that a 1.2 thing? coz it's not there on lvl 20 paladin on my tree

[dense spindle]

yes

[terse harness]

must be then 😄

[slim spire]

for example, if you're talking flat melee, fg have a lot more on their tree

[dense spindle]

anyways i wouldn't bother leveling with hit based hammer throw, i'd go for bleed/ignite or smth and maybe later swap into hit based

[dense spindle]

yea but melee doesn't work for throwing skills

[slim spire]

and vk also can echo as well, plus some flat

[terse harness]

yea melee doesnt work

[slim spire]

sorry I mean flat throwing

all the marked one is for throwing

[strong plume]

Is there any decrease in value going over 100% Penetration or is it always treated as "more" damage even after 100%?

[slim spire]

ok for vk other than echo chance, barely had any

but fg due to shield throw, actualy has quite a lot

[ripe cargo]

maff sad sigils were shitty devouring orbs for the build.

[clever hazel]

there's no cap, you can have as much of that stat as you want and it will continue to increase your damage

[dense spindle]

idk but to me if i were to play hit based hammer throw i'd still go for paladin over any other subclass
force of devotion is really good, both flat throw and armor shred
holy aura gives you a lot of bonuses
a lot of resistances so you have more free suffixes / less of a need for items with resistance implicits
has holy precision which is kind of an insane passive
etc

[strong plume]

As I figured, ty

[ripe cargo]

frenzy when able to jump back and void bolts seem to be better than anything sigils can offer

so volatile reversal is actually the play

[scenic gyro]

3% less dmg taken with double red rings compared to no red rings
that doesnt sound much on paper does it
am i reading it wrong

[ripe cargo]

but omg is this build cool

run around with auto turrets till the opporutinity arrises.

jump in vengeance erasing strike out before your in danger.

[dense spindle]

or just play regular erasing strike and destroy everything before there's even a danger

[slim spire]

ok that does make a lot of sense, I'll digest it a bit thanks

[ripe cargo]

you mean that build that got deleted unless your in uber end game?

youd probably still play like this with that build.

it just wouldn't be dot based

[dense spindle]

idk what's that uber endgame about 1 and 2LP with no red rings and a target farmable weapon, relic and maybe more, can't remember

[ripe cargo]

1.1k mana

[dense spindle]

that's just 3 t7 slams as far as i know

[ripe cargo]

only 3 t7

that also takes away form your other affixes

[terse harness]

2 days to decide what to play and i have like 10 diff sentinel builds in mind what id liek to start with 😦

[dense spindle]

yes, but since mana is damage and more erasing strikes it doesn't matter

[drowsy dagger]

Smite fissures dont really interact with echo or double cast at all does it? Or takes too much cast time to proc all fissures/sec without? 🤔

[ripe cargo]

yeah but i can also just

not do that

and succeed as well

by using gameplay

[shut ember]

Its a good thing we get mastery respecs now 😄 thing im most excited for

[terse harness]

🙂

[waxen nymph]

Give them a number from 1-10 and I will decide for you

[terse harness]

but i dont have any number order for them :<

im too lazy to do that

[waxen nymph]

Thats fine

[dense spindle]

do the numbering then use https://wheelofnames.com/ 5 minutes before

[waxen nymph]

Write them on a list

[shut ember]

I'm just banking on sent being able to absolutely crush all end game bosses

[terse harness]

maybe i do that

[shut ember]

I'm pretty sure it does

[dense spindle]

has potential, pretty sure some weird primalist build with snapshots and a lot of stuff will leave every other build in the dirt when it comes to damage vs bosses

[ripe cargo]

build just got better again

replace anomally with abyssal echoes

[shut ember]

target location cast is neat

I like control

timerot chance and attack speed

i guess we just mana stack the hell out of this build

[gusty abyss]

1000 damage, 9% more from gladiator => 1090 damage
1090 damage, 10% less from red ring => 981 damage
981 damage, 10% less from 2nd red ring => 882.9 damage.

Or 11.71% less.

[slim spire]

Hey @junior wren have you ever made some calculations on which FW is better, ignite or hit based?

[junior wren]

nope I haven't

I would say hit, because you have limited ways to give your minions fire penetration

[waxen nymph]

I think you would go for Bleed and Ignite at the same time, no ?

[junior wren]

Yes, I assume Maehlin conversion won't work on minions

[waxen nymph]

Well, Maehlin work I believe

Let me test

[junior wren]

oh

[radiant vortex]

stout weavers have minion fire pen

x8 ez

[junior wren]

heh, new tech

[waxen nymph]

Work

[gusty abyss]

Also on 1x1

[slim spire]

Oooh that's nice

Fire pen help both right?

Or only hit?

[slim spire]

What is maehlin conversion?

[radiant vortex]

pen helps hit & ignite

[slim spire]

Cool

[slim spire]

Are the blue colors random?

[waxen nymph]

Bleed Chance become Ignite Chance

[ripe cargo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6gm420Q

The build is now fully operational with a single mana regen affix. going off on cooldown.

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (82)

General:

▸ Health: 1,929, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 155.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 0% / 0% / 40% / 72% / 32% / 32%
▸ EHP: 4,713 / 3,908 / 3,908 / 4,676 / 5,400 / 2,956 / 2,956

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 21%, Threshold: 386
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,133)
▸ Block Chance: 46%, Mitigation: 20% (250)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (25)
• Devouring Orb (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Vengeance (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Blade of the Forgotten Knight
• Defiance of the Forgotten Knight
• Locket of the Forgotten Knight

[ripe cargo]

im proud

[radiant vortex]

120% pen for any element from 20 1x1s seems so funny

[verbal nova]

So I noticed last night that lastepochtools shows symbol void damage as flat damage added to time rot. I assume that's incorrect, right? (Edited because my pre-coffee brain typed poeplanner)

[arctic tartan]

poeplanner?!?!?!

[verbal nova]

Eh, sorry... le

Haven't had my coffee yet

[clever hazel]

and yeah, that seems wrong

it does the same thing with ignite and added fire damage from symbols

and it's modifying the actual ignite / time rot damage total, too

[little temple]

Well it says additional fire damage, not spell or attack fire damage

Dot gets fire damage, evade gets fire damage, disconnects get fire damage, everyone gets fire damage!

[clever hazel]

yeah idk, if that works I've certainly never heard about it

[verbal nova]

It would be pretty busted if it added flat...

[arctic tartan]

Are there many sources of non-specific flat?

[clever hazel]

I'm reasonably certain that's just a bug in LEtools and not how the game actually works, made a bug report

non-ailment DoTs can have damage added to them, but everything I've read about ailments says their base damage is fixed and you scale them with "chance to apply ailment" instead

[radiant vortex]

I don't see it changin dmg numbers at a quick try but the buff gains a general +void dmg line when you speck that node <_<

[clever hazel]

even if it did grant that stat, +X void damage should not change the base damage of an ailment

[radiant vortex]

oh it comes from the one prio that gives additional per

that somehow converts it to a general node

[clever hazel]

the one what?

[radiant vortex]

decree of flame

that you need to take to convert to void, thats supposed to just give you more fire dmg per symbol

but its broken for some reason makes it so it also changes it from attack / spells to general

[clever hazel]

symbols of hope just gives additional fire damage to attacks and spells by default, decree of flame is supposed to grant more of that same stat; it looks like something is coded incorrectly there

[radiant vortex]

you can add dmg to dots btw, its just a very rare to have a source for those

[little temple]

Universal flat would be kinda cool though

I only know this for spell dots

[clever hazel]

never said you couldn't, it's ailments that you can't

dr3ad's recent video on fissure involves a ground DoT that gets scaled heavily through flat spell damage

warlocks also have some curse DoT stuff that can gain added curse damage or something, idk I'm not an acolyte player

[radiant vortex]

fissure ground dottin looks good on paper but it plays like donkeybutt imo

[clever hazel]

there isn't really anything specifically preventing EHG from letting added damage work that way for ailments TBH

but it's so unprecedented it's definitely a mistake

[slim spire]

Armor shred doesn't work for dots right?

[clever hazel]

nope

not unless EHG starts giving monsters % of Armor Mitigation also applies to Damage over Time affixes, lol

(and presumably some armor since they basically all have 0 armor)

[little temple]

I thought you can shred to negative?

[keen radish]

you can

[clever hazel]

you can, but giving mobs that stat would make no sense if they didn't also gain positive armor

[cold dock]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ6pZvjB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (65) / Paladin (23)

General:

▸ Health: 3,340, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 89 Dex / 7 Int / 13 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 89% / 103% / 99% / 97% / 94% / 95% / 101%
▸ EHP: 28,672 / 28,672 / 28,672 / 54,068 / 30,181 / 28,672 / 28,672

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 52%, Threshold: 964
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (356)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,318)
▸ Block Chance: 94%, Mitigation: 56% (2,670)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (26)
• Ring Of Shields (23)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Healing Hands (21)

Used unique items:

• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Immortal Vise
• Monument of Protection
• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Shattered Worlds

[little temple]

Oh, thats how you meant it, yeah

[keen radish]

yep, mobs armour doesn't affect the amount of dot damage they take

[cold dock]

anyone see glaring issues with that build?

i think theres like 3 viable neck base items but besides that

looks good to me

[clever hazel]

might want to get some flat health regen to go with all that %inc health regen, lol

[keen radish]

looks fine

[slim spire]

Ok noob q time, can you increase ignite damage with increased fire damage?

[keen radish]

yes

[slim spire]

Ok cool

[radiant vortex]

not enough 1x1s

[slim spire]

So only flat damage & armor shred doesn't work with dots

And crits too

[clever hazel]

something about slamming t6 affixes on uber abberoth loot cracks me up

simultaneously very conservative and very ambitious

[cold dock]

lol

[clever hazel]

"I know I have this LP1 drop from the hardest boss in the game, but the best I can do is a T6 affix"

[radiant vortex]

yeah really should be just slammin t7
once you get that 1lp its free to slam so if you don't have t7s..

[cold dock]

made list with no abberoth and all t6

and when i added them

i just still plugged in t6

[clever hazel]

reminds me of that pawn shop guy offering 5 bucks for everything

[keen radish]

If you're gonna get uber abby gloves you're slamming T7 man lmao

[cold dock]

well ya

im agreeing

[keen radish]

1lp slams are giga easy to do now because of runes of havoc

[radiant vortex]

I mean that's not what makes them giga easy but sure makes it more likely that you can find your mod as a t7

tho how rare is extremely rare for those runes

[cold dock]

those 1x1s are 300 flat lol

[radiant vortex]

being able to just slam any mod on feels way too free

[radiant vortex]

yeah, fit more of em

[little temple]

Also look out for the wording in skill nodes for "more" multiplier. "... hits deal more damage" wont apply to ignites. Only the General "deals more damage"

[floral sand]

Anybody knows if you take the new 2h node in Forge Guard tree could you then equip a sword or axe in the off hand if you take the passive node for that too?

[radiant vortex]

nope

[junior wren]

@slim spire highest pen for FW DoT would be double Weaver's Gift and Atrophy as gloves, FWs can get bleed and ignite from tree + electrify on the weapons itself, with up to 91% pen. Minion Damage scales Phys, Fire and Lightning equally, so no problem there.
Speed, %inc Damage over Time, % Minion damage over time, additional chance to apply Bleed and Ignite, alternatively Fire Pen / Phys Pen are the good affixes.

[radiant vortex]

says you can use the 2h with a shield @floral sand

doesn't say you can equip a 2h + any offhand

[little temple]

You could put a sword in the offhand while putting the shield axe unique in the mainhand though

[radiant vortex]

cos thats not actually a shield

It's a liar

[floral sand]

Ah too bad, thought i was on to something fun.

[strong plume]

Updated my Void Shield Throw Smiter with Variant Options and Talked about the huge Volatile Reversal tech dropped by Mike last night: https://youtu.be/wCeWSi8TFFc

[alpine canopy]

I might theorycraft one when I get off work today just to see what it might look like... still planning on time rot, but I've got a ton of new interactions I want to play around with

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/would-you-like-to-see-it-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-do-you-like-to-see-it-you-want-to-look-at-it-would-you-love-to-see-it-gif-21430797

[little temple]

Would you share your time rot build?

[slim spire]

Nice, thanks a lot. Would have to ignore "flat damage on minions" tho, which there's a lot in skills/passive.

I mean damage is damage

[alpine canopy]

Definitely 👀

[alpine canopy]

I can once I get home in ~9ish hours

Since I have no clue what my login info for LE Tools is lol

[radiant vortex]

madness might be overtaking me <_<

[slim spire]

So athropy is better than maehlin?

[junior wren]

I don't know

[slim spire]

All good my man. Just realized you said highest pen, not highest damage. I guess I'll test it once 1.2 launches

[small veldt]

Is that alchemists ladle?

[cursive compass]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgTALCCsQ

WHAT IS THIS

PERFECT

FOR

SENTINEL

RIVE LETS GOO

[radiant vortex]

Yeah lmao

[small veldt]

One could say, you're cooking!

[scenic gyro]

anyone got the armor shred curve from tunklabs on their hand? cant find it

[waxen nymph]

Did you follow the whole "Void Beams in the passive are in fact a subskill of Smite, and therefore follow the subskills rules " shenanigans ?

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

[scenic gyro]

cheers mate

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that's exactly why I'm interested in taking a new look at it 😁

[waxen nymph]

Well they are a subskill of Smite, and every thing we know about subskills apply for them

[alpine canopy]

And so with that and fissure both being subskills, I figure direct casting smite to make super cool looking void blobs could be very fun and also might deal damage

[gusty abyss]

Might? 300% effectiveness per second on both, it will

[waxen nymph]

~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ6pY32B

[scenic gyro]

no +skills? blasphemy

[waxen nymph]

Well, turn out I dont really need any

Maybe Lvl to DOrb

[scenic gyro]

what a luxury to have, gearing wont be such a hastle then

[radiant vortex]

wait should I make this a smite build instead of hh

nahhh

[alpine canopy]

Ooh a devotion setup, very interesting

The only thing that scares me just a little bit is the 36% dmg eff per second fissure is still the displayed skill in smite. But it's gotta be fixed since they had a couple patch notes about it, right?

What is fissure supposed to be now? 200% or 300%?

[scenic gyro]

how do guys plan to workaround fissures mana cost
when i tried it it drained me pretty quickly

[alpine canopy]

Thanks!

[gusty abyss]

3 fissures per second drains 30 mana and requires 3 smite casts, time and faith should cover that

but if you are playing devotion, you probably want it to drain your mana

If you are VK, the simple answer would be to hover between 0 and 30% with Void Well

[rancid lantern]

hey guys

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, fissure requires direct casting now, so time and faith will always cover you

[rancid lantern]

me and @waxen nymph had a build idea that might be really cool

and im wondering whats the best angle

to get it done

and it is to use reworked Symbols Divine Flare 5 stacks and spam that frequently

[arctic tartan]

Still automated by the low life thing?

[rancid lantern]

nah, self-cast

[waxen nymph]

Also if you cast faster than the cap you just recoup mana

[alpine canopy]

Oh yes, I looked into this also

[rancid lantern]

@alpine canopy i think that it might be an ignite or an electrify angle

as i dont see getting enough flat to make that work

as a spell

while 500% more for ailments is pretty funky

[alpine canopy]

It's actually almost just as much dps to repeatedly pop 3 symbols, but takes some CDR investment

And not too much lower to pop 4 symbols, either

[rancid lantern]

lemme get you acquainted

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q92mgO5B so far im here