🔱┃sentinel

[clever hazel]

idk why this matters so much to you lol, there's literally no evidence supporting either theory currently

just arguing for no reason

[noble zenith]

we just need to wait until we can test it

[analog steppe]

I just think there’s no point in continuing to question it for another week when it’s clear they aren’t answering the question

[clever hazel]

if it works the way I want it to I'll have frenzy, if not once I get enough cooldown recovery speed I'll probably drop frenzy and take immutable past so I can zoom through echoes faster

[grand bear]

The what 👀

[clever hazel]

not really a deal breaker

[clever hazel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AOwRgzEA

[grand bear]

Ah.

On potion use. We also have a new belt that just resets VR cd

[clever hazel]

yep

kinda annoying for my build though because it has 4-25 int on it

severely messes up attribute balancing for Ucenui's Sphere; might be worth using with Shattered Worlds if I ever get a decent one of those

[jade copper]

Would rive + HH be enough for rares/bosses? I'm still kinda torn since javelin is fun but FG rive with 2h + shield kinda is tempting for giga durability

[analog steppe]

Rive HH was strong enough dps back in 1.0

Only real nerfs to it from then was on ward generation

[rancid lantern]

Can consumption subskills work on negative mana?

[clever hazel]

in my experience no

[rancid lantern]

Like, if I cast a 0 mana smite and it has a 10 mana consume fissure

at 0 mana

or less

will fissures work?

[clever hazel]

I'm like 90% certain it won't, they did change how Fissure works pretty drastically for season 2 though

[gusty abyss]

I doubt you can create infinite negative mana with it

[clever hazel]

Bladestorm on Multistrike "consumes" mana to strike additional times, and it has alt text that specifically says the effect only works while you have positive mana

[noble zenith]

@clever hazel can i have your opinion on the smite skill tree, you took 3 pts into wandering bolt but dont you think with this build, aoe damage wont be an issue ? because we can also just take holy fire to increase ignite chance

[clever hazel]

I'd rather have more AoE, DoT builds in particular don't kill things instantly, so hitting more targets per cast is important IMO

[noble zenith]

fair enough, i think i will test both and see how it feel

[clever hazel]

if you're curious, 3 points in Holy Fire only adds ~2.24% more single target DPS to the build

[noble zenith]

Okay might be a bit low then, better make that aoe clear smoother

[clever hazel]

if you're fighting 7 targets, taking wandering bolts is 12.88% more DPS

which actually makes me think I should probably go for exalted javelin ranks over smite ranks on my relic tbh, will need to think about it later

[noble zenith]

also this is giga bait right?

our direct hit are going to be a low part of our dmg

like not worth putting more points into it

[clever hazel]

I did the math, it's not really bait no

I allocated points in javelin in exactly the optimal order for maximum DPS

[noble zenith]

compared to attack speed?

[junior wren]

more lightning damage boosts electrify too

[noble zenith]

isnt it only for the javelin hit?

[jade copper]

No

[junior wren]

it says Lightning Hit +16 flat, but above that it says Lightning Damage, that's % more

[jade copper]

Flat is for javelin hit only

[clever hazel]

Holy Spears and Mighty Delivery are almost identical in terms of real DPS increase, and Purifying Lightning is slightly higher than either

[bleak yew]

Can I use Spirit step while spinning?

[clever hazel]

if you look at the skill progression slider for javelin in my build planner, the order I allocate points in those nodes results in the maximum DPS at each step

[river raptor]

Why can't ehg cast volatile reversal and make it Thursday?

[noble zenith]

i assume its for the direct hit from javelin, and my electrify dmg are still the same even if i put more points into it

idk

[junior wren]

Like I said 👆

[clever hazel]

skill modifiers will not change your electrify damage in the offensive tab breakdown on LEtools

it's showing you electrify for literally anything, not a specific skill

[junior wren]

yeah, if you're looking at LETools, it doesn't show modifiers from the applying skill. Because it doesn't know which skill you are using to apply Electrify.

[noble zenith]

okay thanks, i just have trouble with the wording, this one for ex is much more clear

guess i'm just stupid sometimes

[junior wren]

well, one applies to all lightning damage dealt by javelin, and this one applies penetration only with electrify from javelin

[clever hazel]

you can trust, I did the math: https://pastebin.com/DSzSyTm5

[analog steppe]

The key is to remember that “more damage” with no other qualifiers affects everything that the skill does including sub skills and ailments

[clever hazel]

example output:
(7238547.793703124, 587244.8140505624, 2521223.821851966, 320064.62591174396, 10667081.055517396)
(that's javelin electrify DPS, javelin hit DPS, smite electrify DPS, smite hit DPS, full DPS

[junior wren]

7 mil electrify

[robust lake]

per stack?

[junior wren]

😄

[clever hazel]

that's the DPS if you're just standing there throwing javelins 24/7, watching the bosses HP go down

[junior wren]

how many stacks is that?

[robust lake]

thats what I do mhm before pressing VR twice on purple circle slam

[arctic tartan]

You got a planner for that? Trying to collect some options. I keep opening planners and then not save them anywhere

[south zephyr]

Man Abberoth is no joke

[clever hazel]

linked it earlier

[noble zenith]

ty, this is very helpful

[junior wren]

are you sure weapon speed is applied to a throwing skill?

[noble zenith]

then between holy spear and the atk speed, its just a matter of preference?

[clever hazel]

if you mean the 0.94x thing from the spear, not entirely no

but I figure it can't hurt to underestimate my DPS by ~6%

[junior wren]

true

[arctic tartan]

Thanks

[clever hazel]

no, it's literally math

which I did to figure out the correct order to allocate points 🙂

[noble zenith]

yeah but i mean, its almost the same dps you said

[clever hazel]

allocating points in the correct order vs the wrong order will result in like a ~0.5% DPS difference at different breakpoints, roughly

[junior wren]

I wonder if smite beats javelin in electrify DPS

[clever hazel]

very marginal but I already had everything setup so I figured I might as well make sure the skill tree progression slider does things correctly

and it doesn't, at least not in my build

7.23m vs 2.52m

a pure smite self-cast build, or something like dread's fissure lightning dot idea, no clue

[junior wren]

that doesn't seem right.

[clever hazel]

javelin scales with attack speed and has more multipliers, smite is capped to 5/second with the throwing idol effect limiter

[robust lake]

u can make ur javelin a standart that spams smite too mhm

[clever hazel]

1 javelin throw hits 6 times and deals 100% more DoT, 10% more, 12% more, with +125% electrify chance, and 60% lightning penetration
1 smite cast hits 1 time and deals 250% more, with +50% electrify chance, 75% lightning penetration, and 75% electrify duration

[junior wren]

🤔

yeah that seems to be correct

[robust lake]

u can make smite pseudo-fork with lunge and some other obscure methods/gear

[junior wren]

that would be a dps loss, since only one javelin would hit

so in order to beat javelin, smite would need more hits per second

[robust lake]

yeh thats not for jav-focused builds rather self-cast smiters and alike

[junior wren]

but selfcast smiters will also do between 4-5 smites per second

so it's pretty close to the proc variant

the only difference is double-cast

[clever hazel]

I mean there's lots of ways they could make smite stronger in throw builds, but I don't think EHG wants to do that lol

it's already very strong

[robust lake]

battle standard=>righteous descent spams smite pretty okay I'd say, that was my first build in LE I took over 2k cor tbf

[junior wren]

battle standard is 0.75s iirc

[robust lake]

first and last 💀 hopefully this season breaks the streak

[junior wren]

it's extra dps for sure, but only 1.3 smites per second

how many smites can warpathers do?

[robust lake]

crapload, with palarus and new belt even more

[clever hazel]

battle standard javelin was something like 15% more DPS from what I remember, for a self-cast smite build; depending on your cast speed it's higher or lower in relative terms

pretty good IMO considering it's also a movement skill with surprise initiative

[robust lake]

good thing about standard its like a totem xD u can just focus on dodging while it dishes out dmg and heals u

[gusty abyss]

~6.6, +6 with new belt so long as you can sustain potions

[clever hazel]

the fact that Orian's Descent has +4-25 int on it is so strange IMO

[junior wren]

Another option, Multistrike. That's 4 armaments + some extras if you have the idols, so let's say 5. Bladestorm can apply them to single target.
+1 guaranteed smite on boss from Aurelis.
+3 per second from Palarus.

• new belt

Unless I made a mistake, that's 9 smites?

9+

so until you run out of mana, seems even better than warpath smite

[gusty abyss]

carefull, warpath smite gets 50 spell damage, 75% pen and 10% base crit

stun immunity and always moving as well ofc

[junior wren]

no worries, we're doing electrify

[gusty abyss]

yeah, then I don't think warpath should be your choice

[junior wren]

well it seemed to beat just casting smite

[clever hazel]

self-casting smite is almost certainly going to revolve around fissure now

since EHG fixed like 10 different bugs with it, plus fissure benefits from the lightning dot crit multi scaling thing paladin gained

[junior wren]

yeah, but there's some skill point pressure if you want both electrify + fissure

[clever hazel]

oh and I just realized I forgot to factor in the new paladin mastery thing LOL

15% more damage

[junior wren]

oh, even moar dps 😄

[clever hazel]

I guess I'll add that, and probably remove the 0.94x weapon speed thing since I'm pretty sure it doesn't affec throwing after searching around

[junior wren]

I used Triboelectra, +4 smite affix and Sentinel Core, and I still want at least one more point to fix sacrifice

seems like Nihilis is a must have

[mossy glacier]

@clever hazel would you level with this electrify javelin build you linked? What do you recommend?

[noble zenith]

it might be even more than 15% ? because of " (multiplicative with other modifiers) "

[clever hazel]

I'm just going rive + healing hands until I have decent throwing mana cost rings

[noble zenith]

nah i'm stupid

[clever hazel]

(8855670.173147438, 826203.4750870947, 2899407.3951297607, 423285.4677682813, 13004566.511132576)

there we go, 13m DPS

[junior wren]

not bad

[clever hazel]

damn, fissure smite is skill point hungry LOL

27 points and still not enough

pretty sure heartseeker is the same, so many good points

[junior wren]

well just fissure doesn't need the 5 pts in electrify pen

so 23 pts

[robust lake]

tbh thats about how meaningful choice should look like, not if u dont play x skill ure in a trashcan

[green crane]

hey guys, i'm new and want to learn a bit b4 1.2 launch... any suggest build for me to play until friday?

[hallow garnet]

really debating on play pld or another sentinel mastery. is there any version of hammers thats good that isnt just the aoe around yourself?

[junior wren]

melee or ranged?

[green crane]

anyone

[hallow garnet]

look at the planner and see what interests you. we cant read your mind

[junior wren]

Alright, then try Forge Strike + Rive Forge Guard

[green crane]

i know that, i ask a suggest, for me to search... there have a lot and some not very beginner friendly

[junior wren]

it looks something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZyuCylFSl8

[hallow garnet]

can also look up beginner builds on youtube.

see if any tickle you

[junior wren]

it's quite beginner friendly, simply charge into monsters and smack them. Attacking heals you, and it's pretty durable. Can be played with shield or 2h, and you get some minion helpers

[green crane]

huum

[junior wren]

you can later specialize either into dealing damage yourself, or dealing damage with the minions

[green crane]

okey dokey

[junior wren]

I should probably say that it might seem a bit slow at the very start, since melee builds often depend on your weapons

it'll get better once you get your healing hands

[robust lake]

🫣 this cruel man tellin lil bro to play FG pre-1.2

if he does patchday will feel so good tho 🤔

[leaden kestrel]

Is fg getting buffed to paladin level in 1.2?

[robust lake]

that has to be seen on friday hehe

[south zephyr]

Mostly getting one very cool passive and better minion survivability

[leaden kestrel]

Also is healing hands the only skill allowing facetanking as a melee right now? Rive, vengeance or multistrike can't?

[robust lake]

rebuke, dr node on vengeance

symbols abuse with et

[junior wren]

you can facetank with any skill as long as you have enough DR%

[mortal rapids]

judgement can facetank aberroth mechanics

if you got enough max health

[junior wren]

wdym cruel

[robust lake]

he cant respec before patch 🫣

[junior wren]

like, there's HP regen, always has been. It's getting giga buffed next patch. Use it and you can tank with anything 😄

[junior wren]

why would he respec

[uneven gorge]

There's like 5 skills that can heal a bajillion health per second if you build for it. Like even void knight has abyssal echos

[robust lake]

forg guard 🫡

[junior wren]

you saw I posted a video from 500c right? FG is good.

[robust lake]

lemme have a look

watchin

[junior wren]

that one isn't even full power

[robust lake]

how many circles of hell have you walked through to get to that gear hehe holy t7 life slammed titans

[mellow willow]

wtf is that

[robust lake]

that is what you need to qq about next xD

[junior wren]

new best in slot relic 😄

[mellow willow]

im not raging about it, cause all builds can equally use that, unlike the shield that forces certain archetype xd

[junior wren]

not my build

[robust lake]

psst dont tell him rogues can use shields too

and like... all other classes too

[junior wren]

but considering next patch you get to pick a slam, T7 titans should be pretty easy

[robust lake]

hell yeee that guaranteed goodness gonna make farming early blessings better

[dense spindle]

sorry, i'm late to the party, care to elaborate?

[robust lake]

You can guarantee one line when slamming your gear at Julra come 1.2

[analog steppe]

That’s what we call the endgame pinnacle boss drop lol

[dense spindle]

ah, didn't make the correlation with blessing, thanks

[dense spindle]

that's only at t2 julra or higher iirc

[mortal rapids]

falconers with max glancing blow and 50+% block and over 50% dodge is fun stuff

[robust lake]

ah, its just more power to get to Rank 8 Knights faster and farm out proper blessings %s

[junior wren]

correct. T2 julra izi pizi

[naive dock]

Autobombers... assemble!

[robust lake]

BALLS

[junior wren]

quick, hide that picture or someone will come and say you can't have 8 balls

[dense spindle]

there are 2 schools of thought when it comes to t3 or higher julra
either never touched it and bought the items from MG
or
easiest stuff ever

[uneven gorge]

Dorb

[fickle juniper]

alright gamers... smite or erasing strike for autodorber?

[robust lake]

If my builds cant facetank T4 Julra explosion they get trashed and rerolled.

[naive dock]

Smite

[robust lake]

I wanna try both but startin with hammers

[dense spindle]

smite most likely, it's also a spell so easier to scale

[hallow knoll]

def smite

[jade copper]

Anyone looked at iron blades?

[naive dock]

but strike itself is also fun

[dense spindle]

true but i wouldn't put my eggs in too many baskets when it comes to scaling as you'd need to also scale melee damage for strike

[naive dock]

yeah, I mean it's great but not for full auto

[junior wren]

Tier 2 is like non-empowered monoliths. You'll delete her in seconds.

[dense spindle]

i know, i haven't touched t4 julra yet as i had no reason to so far (didn't play too much) but the others got deleted quite fast

[fickle juniper]

is smite gonna be decent for bosses?

[junior wren]

that's okay everyone plays with their own pace 😛 then I'll rephrase it, I usually delete her in seconds at Tier 2 😄

[fair hollow]

Who needs 8 fake balls when you can have bob with 2 real ones

[analog steppe]

If you know her fights mechanics she’s really simple

[dense spindle]

how's the spell MA going? you've piqued my interest a few days ago 😄

[analog steppe]

Lots of people just ignore the fight by getting so much dps to not see the mechanics but just learn them and you’ll be able to do her much earlier

[fair hollow]

Going great planner made, expect video coming tmrow or day after

[junior wren]

yeah it's not difficult, just press D at the right time, then stand outside of the laser.

[dense spindle]

is that precise time jump thing still a thing? so that she doesn't spawn that dot?

[junior wren]

and if you're very squishy.. well, fix your squishiness 😄

[fickle juniper]

guaranteed LP1 my favorite change ever. gonna be so nice to craft budget gear

[spring pollen]

If you time jump back right after she does the explosion then she does not summon the void pools

[junior wren]

if you kill her before the explosion then she doesn't do the explosion

[spring pollen]

That too

[hallow knoll]

yea the change makes 1LP uniques actually good

[dense spindle]

:kekw: watch my level 70 something trying to get the 1LP guaranteed slam do enough damage to cheese t3 or higher julra

[hallow knoll]

It was always frustrating getting a rare unique with 1LP and then you just know it's gonna be bricked

[fickle juniper]

yeah it's just... so much better now

[dense spindle]

on paper, they're all banger changes but i guess we don't know exact numbers for imprinting and how it actually works 100%

sentinel players, if you take Searing Light on HH but not Seraph Blade, does HH still heal?

[junior wren]

yes

[cold sun]

I've seen this '1LP' thing mentioned a few times, can someone explain what I missed?

[dense spindle]

doing t2 julra or higher allows you to select 1 affix to be 100% transfered onto a unique with legendary potential
basically 1LP is guaranteed to hit what you want

[cold sun]

Ah, that's what people mean, gotcha
thanks

I thought people meant a guaranteed 1lp drop or something

[radiant vortex]

wasn't it t3 or higher <_<

[hallow knoll]

no, t2

[radiant vortex]

Oh we're gonna *blast * thru monos then

[dense spindle]

with my average rng, this doesn't help that much kekw

i play ailments for once and drop a 3lp peak first try

[radiant vortex]

Ppl are gonna powerspike hard with this anyway

[dense spindle]

i just hope i won't go for too long dry on omnividence 1LP and siphon 1LP

[nimble wren]

"Hi guys, my question is basically: if I take Shield Throw + Molten shield, does it make sense to pick up the passives Siege Captain +X PHYSICAL throw attack damage (Forge Guard tree), or does the conversion not affect those passives and I'm just wasting them?"

[hallow knoll]

shouldn't take long for me to get a 1LP Turani hopefully

[hidden dock]

"Base physical damage is converted" should tell you all you need to know

[eager carbon]

molten shield is only for base

the phys from siege captain will be added as phys

[nimble wren]

but if I pick this generic dmg its converted right?

[eager carbon]

yes

[nimble wren]

thank you

[eager carbon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/damage_conversion

[nimble wren]

Its a bit confusing becouse its says Converts base physical damage, with siege captain you add flat physical damage to base...

[eager carbon]

base skill damage type

[junior wren]

base always refers to the damage of the skill itself. Anything you add later is added damage

but it's also often referred to as "flat", "adaptive" and "flat <type>", so I can see how it can be confusing.
Technically speaking, "flat" = "adaptive" = base and that gets converted, and "flat <type>" doesn't.

[naive dock]

set affixes looking CRAZY

[elfin warren]

Is selfcasting Devouring Orb worth it? Maxroll has a build with selfcast but all I see elsewhere is the autobomber versionm

Don't know yet what I want to play but it will be VK. Either Rive, Smite or Time Rot/Devouring Orb

[slim spire]

guys can someone explain how "ring of shields drawing threat" work? If you're in melee range for example, does enemies randomly attack the shields instead of you, or it's purely only for ranged attacks?

[naive dock]

my guess it's not worth it anymore, better to automate it.
Also I'd like to recommend Erasing Strike skill. (without orbs)

[hidden dock]

I mean it's worth it

but only if you're going to be doing a build based around it

so probably some way to spam volatile reversal

[strong plume]

Another weight question:

4.5% MORE Damage + 5.5% Crit Multi

vs

+20 Flat Damage

[hidden dock]

depends

at low levels absolutely teh bottom

[urban hull]

Do multiple instances of "Holy Trail" in the Javelin skill tree add up?

[naive dock]

+20

[hidden dock]

2000 flat

(somehow)

then +20 would be worse

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[hidden dock]

that said +20 of your damage type (or adaptive) should almost always beat out 4.5 more+crit multi

[strong plume]

150 flat Baseline

+20 would make it 170 flat

or 150 flat with 4.5% More damage + 5.5% crit multi (100% Crit Rate)

[hidden dock]

well, how much more of 150 is 20?

[acoustic wharf]

Hi there, small question on Healing Hands: There is no way to make Font of Salvation work with Homeward to self heal ? https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/healing_hands/tree

[hidden dock]

and how much crit multi do you already have?

[strong plume]

459% Crit Multi

[hidden dock]

...

which are you asking if increasing your crit multi such a small amount matters

anyways

[strong plume]

Yes...weighing glove affixes. It's either +20 Flat or 4.5% MORE + 5.5% Crit Multi on 100% Crit chance

[hidden dock]

you're looking at 13.3% more vs 4.5% more and like 1% more (multiplicative with that 4.5% more)

[strong plume]

So, it's close and you are asking why I am asking to confirm.

[tribal basin]

The tldr is , everything Flat damage is added before conversions and % increases

[hidden dock]

my bad, mistyped

(the 7% was for anotehr thing, should probably slow down the alt tabbing)

[junior wren]

nope, it's a party play node

[hidden dock]

but yeah it's blantantly better to get +20 more

until like... what, +400 flat?

[acoustic wharf]

Thanks!

[hidden dock]

(and even then given how high your crit multi, napkin math says that 5.5% multi is probably like 1% more)

(so 4.5%*1.01=like 4.54 lol)

(even at +400 it'd be better)

[strong plume]

Gotcha

I sacrificed some EHP for a considerable jump in damage

RIP 50K EHP 😦

[slim spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bja4EWWQ

can someone explain why I only get +4 on Vengeance, even though I have Sword Catcher (+6 melee)? Bonus for Forge Strike seems fine OTOH

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (80) / Paladin (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,462, Regen: 45/s
▸ Mana: 150.65, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 18%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 1 Dex / 9 Int / 17 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 39% / 39% / 90% / 0% / 7% / 7%
▸ EHP: 3,399 / 2,524 / 2,524 / 3,786 / 1,962 / 2,043 / 2,043

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 496
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,131)
▸ Block Chance: 47%, Mitigation: 45% (1,610)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Vengeance (24)
• Forge Strike (30)
• Healing Hands (24)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Void Cleave (24)

Used unique items:

• Sword Catcher
• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Falcon Fists
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Countenance of Majasa
• Death Rattle
• Advent of the Erased

[elfin warren]

I'm not talking about orbiting Devouring Orb for autobomber playstyle btw

[junior wren]

average vs. max

[slim spire]

which setting do I change to get max?

ok found it, haha thanks

[tribal basin]

Easy Napkin Math : do 400 +200% ( 1200 )
and then 420 +200% (1260)
and also 400 +220% (1280)

20% increased is better even before 400

[slim spire]

btw do you have any suggestions for bis equipment for the rest of my empty slots?

[hidden dock]

...not 20%, flat 20

so it'd be 400+20=420 (or in other words, a 5% more)

vs 400x1.04x1.01

(or in his case 150+20 vs 150x1.04x1.01)

[junior wren]

you going for a Forged Weapon build? You need 40 Attunement to max out the chance to spawn FWs from Vengeance

to stay in the theme of uniques everywhere, Decayed Skull as helmet, because your armor is very low

and the new bremaster belt for HP and endurance

Code of an Erased Sentinel for relic

[silver orbit]

if anyone wanna review my 1.2 Multistrike build i will be happy for any criticisms
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1Vym4VQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (18)

General:

▸ Health: 3,078, Regen: 378.16/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 162% / 98% / 96% / 75% / 90% / 90% / 94%
▸ EHP: 11,881 / 11,881 / 11,881 / 17,662 / 12,507 / 11,881 / 11,881

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 1,169
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,080)
▸ Block Chance: 74%, Mitigation: 51% (2,166)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (24)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

None

[slim spire]

perfect sense

can I just like add attunment through lp slams?

or it's too much of a waste?

[robust lake]

40 attunement is a T7 prefix on body armor and like one T7 on ring, should be manageable

[slim spire]

ok that's nice thanks

[robust lake]

or like both rings and some other third slot with a T5 or something

bod armor, relic and helmet slams are super important so yh

first days in mg are a bliss xdd everyone selling stuff for 0 gold favor only ezpz login

[queen glade]

Did they mention somewhere how expensive it is to mastery swap? I'm considering just leveling as a paladin coz holy aura broken but then swapping to VK later, but can't find any info on it 😮

Maybe overlooking it lol

[sly fern]

@queen glade
Players can now pay to respec their mastery in the End of Time. This can be done by talking to Chronomancer Lerinne, the same NPC used to respec passive points.
Respeccing your mastery will also reset all of your passive points.
The cost to respec your mastery scales from 100g at level 1, up to 1,000,000g at level 100 and is combined with the price for respeccing all allocated passive points.
Level: 1, Cost: 100g
Level: 10, Cost: 1,000g
Level: 20, Cost: 5,000g
Level: 30, Cost: 10,000g
Level: 40, Cost: 15,000g
Level: 50, Cost: 30,000g
Level: 60, Cost: 50,000g
Level: 70, Cost: 100,000g
Level: 90, Cost: 600,000g
Level: 100, Cost: 1,000,000g

Im not sure is this what youj need

[lilac sparrow]

for DOT vk build what idols stats should i aim for

[queen glade]

Oh thats not so bad, I think? Howmuch gold are we expected to have around lvl 50 😮

[hallow knoll]

ridiculously cheap honestly

[eager carbon]

more than 30k for sure

[sly fern]

im at level 13 just now and i have like 5k

so pretty sure

more than enough

[sly fern]

Damage over time i guess

and void damge*

Im trying to make a warpath time rot build but my the damage scaling part is a bit weird.

[lilac sparrow]

yeah that's my aim too

warpath with aberroth command

[hidden dock]

the only expesnive ones are the 70+

do you know how many stash tabs those could be?

[robust lake]

200

never counted the total price but according to le devs something about 190m gold

[lilac sparrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4E030jo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 5,158, Regen: 93.8/s
▸ Mana: 145.51, Regen: 11.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 61 Vit
▸ Resistances: 28% / 0% / 0% / 40% / 68% / 61% / 61%
▸ EHP: 8,705 / 8,209 / 8,209 / 8,468 / 11,210 / 7,996 / 7,996

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,032
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,156)
▸ Block Chance: 46%, Mitigation: 20% (250)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Void Cleave (20)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Locket of the Forgotten Knight
• Defiance of the Forgotten Knight
• Atrophy

[lilac sparrow]

anything else i should add?

[robust lake]

yoo right theres now health+regen hybrid

holy regen out of the wazoo

how realistic is double exalted hybrid health and regen health

[eager carbon]

time rot on chest/helm

[lavish crescent]

Made a multi strike smiter build. This is the aspirational version but should work switching out uniques with solid rares/low lp legendaries

Should be practically invincible with healing and mitigation, with crazy movement due to potion drinking resetting volatile reversal and doing millions of dps a second with electrify stacks hitting pretty much the whole screen.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2Gn3W0Q

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (73)

General:

▸ Health: 4,082, Regen: 167.64/s
▸ Mana: 404.27, Regen: 16.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 66%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 19 Dex / 33 Int / 100 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 167% / 135% / 165% / 125% / 124% / 83% / 83%
▸ EHP: 33,753 / 33,753 / 33,753 / 45,670 / 34,245 / 27,002 / 27,002

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 92%, Threshold: 1,207
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (332)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,439)
▸ Block Chance: 76%, Mitigation: 64% (3,700)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (23)
• Multistrike (25)
• Holy Aura (23)
• Symbols of Hope (23)
• Smite (29)

Used unique items:

• Nihilis
• Aurelis
• Orian's Descent
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Wing Guards
• Blood of the Exile
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Null Portent
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Countenance of Majasa

[eager carbon]

also no reason to use 2 set items

just seal t1 set on exalteds to get the bonus

[lilac sparrow]

huh how does it work

[eager carbon]

scroll to bottom on affixes

it has the available set ones

[lilac sparrow]

oh that's neat

[eager carbon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bja4pb1Q

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 5,630, Regen: 93.8/s
▸ Mana: 145.51, Regen: 11.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 61 Vit
▸ Resistances: 40% / 12% / 12% / 52% / 80% / 73% / 73%
▸ EHP: 11,055 / 10,371 / 10,371 / 10,962 / 14,147 / 10,541 / 10,541

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,126
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,156)
▸ Block Chance: 46%, Mitigation: 35% (936)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Void Cleave (20)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Atrophy

[halcyon yoke]

in the vengeance tree, would iron blades benefit from the +100% armor shred effect from the tree?
(eviscerating blades working with shattering blade?)

[stable ice]

anyone got a void knight level build for me?

[analog ingot]

If you convert vengance, does it convert iron blade damage as well

[lethal needle]

Is there anywhere I can find a build for a forge guard warpath build where it summons minions? Or a warpath build that has the auto smite cast?

[hexed sky]

Did you check lastepochtools?

[lethal needle]

Can you search for other peoples builds on there? I've only used it to mess around looking at items to be honest

[balmy wing]

for the new volatile reversal, does this skill mean that it removes the traversal back in time part of the skill?

[analog ingot]

yes

[wise rune]

yes

[hexed sky]

Yes. At the top there is a “Builds” tab that lets you see builds from this and past patch builds.

[balmy wing]

oh hell yeah

[wise rune]

theres also a node that makes it go forward a second time

[balmy wing]

i was gonna use void cleave for a traversal skill but didnt realize it requires a 2h weapon so i need a new one now

and i think my options are that or lunge

[lethal needle]

Thanks @hexed sky I'll have a look

[wise rune]

VR probably nicer to use since it doesnt require a target

[balmy wing]

thats what i was thinking yeah

[lethal needle]

Ok so there are no forge guard warpath builds posted since July 24. Guess I'm treading new waters

[eager carbon]

it won't change much on the 17th

[quasi forum]

Oh, nice 🙂

[eager carbon]

they reworked FG previous patch and its getting little to nothing in terms of nodes

[quasi forum]

Ooooh, that looks like fun

[fallow meadow]

Hi there. New to LE. I am wondering about the sentinel leveling guide on maxroll. Maybe someone can quickly explain. They are saying I should go into paladin mastery but then when I google if I can respec the mastery into the void knight it says I cannot since it is permanent. Am I missing something?

[lavish crescent]

they are adding it this new patch

[analog ingot]

Without seeing the guide I'm assuming it's talking about going into the paladin skill tree, but not selecting paladin as your mastery or vis versa

[fallow meadow]

Oh.. Is there any paladin leveling guide? Or Void one for this patch?

[lavish crescent]

i read maxrolls and it seems really good

[fallow meadow]

It says once I unlock paladin mastery I should pick holy aura and symbols of hope afterwards

[lavish crescent]

though really you prob could do it with any skill just might take slightly longer

hammer with the spin + javelin with holy trail crushes the campaign and early echoes

[fallow meadow]

Got you. Thanks!

[quiet hearth]

#rivesuperiority

[lavish crescent]

just be on the lookout for items with -throwing mana cost, will make you never run out of mana when casting hammers

rive is also awesome

[turbid dome]

Rive gang rive gang

[quiet hearth]

void rive is gonna be bonkers this season

[wheat light]

Which vk warpath flavor is best for 1k corruption currently? Is the smite on proc sword good for that?

[little temple]

Can abyssal echoes echo when it was triggered by void cleave or VR?

[turbid dome]

No triggered things don’t echo

[little temple]

Thats so sad, thanks

[turbid dome]

It would get very stupid very quickly with warpath triggered 5 bajillion things

[little temple]

Kinda kills the whole thing with the triggers since AE has that fat 150 more multiplier for echoes

[turbid dome]

Well

Direct cast it

[little temple]

I dont want to, i want to keep spinning

I got the sceptre for the instant casts of void cleave to trigger more AEs while spinning

Now if they only could echo

[south zephyr]

I mean the one bright side is that apparently dOrb will echo with autocast

Something to do with not technically being triggered/procced

[wheat light]

Damn looks solid.

[quiet hearth]

with the new extra echo chance for AE, Ive been wondering about no CD ones speccing into the free recasts

[south zephyr]

Although sadly that probably means that you can't use Apostates safely

[quiet hearth]

ignite vk is such a weird idea to me

[radiant vortex]

why not also divine bolts

[quiet hearth]

if only dorb had an ignite conversion

[radiant vortex]

also am I missing something with the incs to crit but using wing guards

[south zephyr]

If there's Electrify based scaling Crit multi concerts to lightning pen

[lavish crescent]

i think it could be good but honestly, im pretty sure this build will obliterate packs already, rather spend the points in more defense/boss dmg

every time healing procs (each swing with multistrike) if there is 2 or more enemies in range, it will double electrify stacks every swing

which will delete anything

[radiant vortex]

but more smites more bolts more dings more dopamine

[little temple]

Thats so unfair

[lavish crescent]

divine bolts doesn't proc smite

[radiant vortex]

more pings more dopamine

[lavish crescent]

it def would look cool haha

[radiant vortex]

I have no wish to see the game

[lavish crescent]

i think this build will be pretty flashy

really love the aesthetic of hundreds of lightning bolts falling everywhere

smite will also be shooting out bolts each time it hits too

[south zephyr]

I couldn't believe it either tbh but someone tracked down released footage showing it echo while moving

[radiant vortex]

yeah it's cool, mostly memeing

• you're overcappin endurance tho could go for armour on that blessing

I can't decide wtf i'm doing with phalanx if anything

[tired sorrel]

i can see why they changed Fissure to only on direct cast. Multistrike makes this kinda effortless

[little temple]

Well its pretty much a "retaliate every hit with a javelin" which sounds kinda insane

[south zephyr]

100% block chance, Sigeons reprisal, stack survivability, throwing damage and just never die I guess?

Probably a real slow boss killer

But you may literally be able to face tank Abby

Probably not Uber Abby

That or scale bleed

Dumb question but does damage reflect trigger leech?

[south zephyr]

If it works with siege barrage that might get really funny

Especially against multihit attacks

Drop 100 Javelins in 3 seconds

[quiet hearth]

that...that is actually a good point

some fight in the shade stuff right there

[south zephyr]

Need really good attack speed though

Since it only retaliates when you can riposte

And you can only get 3 stacks of Riposte at once

[quiet hearth]

wouldn't be that hard to get more AS

[south zephyr]

Also definitely need time and faith for Mana regen

[quiet hearth]

if you're using a skill that can activate time and faith, you use it, that's just a given

[little temple]

You could throw in a little dodge if you cant keep the repostes up

[south zephyr]

True

[quiet hearth]

i still cant believe that didnt get nerfed

[turbid dome]

Beyond it sentinel really lacks a lot of mana support on the passive tree

[sly fern]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8dlLkVA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,086, Regen: 67/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 68% / 36% / 36% / 32% / 64% / 19% / 19%
▸ EHP: 8,371 / 7,521 / 7,521 / 7,425 / 9,361 / 5,062 / 5,062

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 932
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,960)
▸ Block Chance: 26%, Mitigation: 29% (625)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, DoT, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Swiftness, Haste, Void Essence (1/3), Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (24)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Devouring Orb (24)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Wings of Argentus
• Atrophy
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Siphon of Anguish
• Shattered Chains
• Flames of Midnight
• Darkstride

[sly fern]

Im trying to make this build where i scale both warpath and time rot dmg

any recommendation

[bold mulch]

Its possible to do a lightning forge guard? With smite and javelin?

[covert phoenix]

don't try to scale both warpatch and time rot dmg

[bold mulch]

I cant do a spear +. Shield paladin so FG is the way to go

[covert phoenix]

also, temper your expectations, because triple T7 is not happening

[sly fern]

yeah

i should have jz remove time rot then

[quiet hearth]

I mean you dont need triple 7s for it to work

[covert phoenix]

I mean, yes, but his build has terrible dps even with the triple T7, so...

[sly fern]

We can check using last epoch planner?

[lofty marsh]

would warpath VK be able to push 1000+ corruption comfortably? might swap to erasing strike at a later point if warpath feels weak pushing that high. Trying to decide between this and torment warlock

[sly fern]

I mean they just rework sentinel

so i guess it give it some kind of advantage, so pushing 1000+ shoulnd be hard

[quiet hearth]

define terrible

[covert phoenix]

Time rot with 0% cast speed, 140% time rot chance, a skill with trash more multiplier as applicator

warpath with 5% crit chance and like 70 melee flat

terrible.

[lofty marsh]

cool cool, guess i might have to rely on ol' reliable dice roll to decide

[quiet hearth]

thanks for the zero actual info

[covert phoenix]

I'm not sure what you are looking for?

maybe you think I should do a spreadsheet simulating his dps?

[lofty marsh]

does erasing strike feel clunky to use? or does it like get enough attack speed to feel not super slow?

i'm usually a melee zoom zoomer with decent surivability in poe

[vale ravine]

if you are coming off of the poe2 slam experience it is going to feel buttery smooth

[lofty marsh]

i'm coming off the poe1 strike experience

but i was a slam enjoyer in d4

[vale ravine]

ok then it's not gonna be LS/MS levels, but with a reasonable levels of investment it becomes spammable, not that terrible really

your limiting factor will be mana not atk speed

[quiet hearth]

I assumed you had since you said it was terrible, like Im pretty sure it's enough to do basic emp monos

[sly fern]

Time rot also scale with attack speed, just so you know

[covert phoenix]

not if your cast speed is 0%

[covert phoenix]

I did TC a few time rot builds, I do have an idea what are the key points of such a build

and they are missing here

[sly fern]

the new passive dmg, make time rot scale with attack speed tho

maybe im wrong

[covert phoenix]

no it doesn't, read it again

[south zephyr]

Cast, Throwing, Melee, lowest of the 3

So you need to scale all 3 or you get nada

[lofty marsh]

cool, might go with warpath early on and swap later on. feels like i have more use of a sentinel in terms of build variety

[covert phoenix]

I mean, sure, if your bar is that low, everything is fine

[south zephyr]

WP offers very little to TimeRot based dOrb which is itself ehhhhh

It gives you what, some move speed and block chance?

[covert phoenix]

I mean, you could theoretically do a warrior fury timerot build, theoretically?

[sly fern]

yeah , just want to have this cool idea where both of them scale

[covert phoenix]

but it's not going to be good

[sly fern]

bt yeah its fine

will try others

[analog steppe]

If you live in magical christmasland with infinite mana maybe lol

[covert phoenix]

i'm not trashing you, just saying the build is not going to work

[sly fern]

i have enough back up build which is more realistic , lightning javelin pala

[sly fern]

all good

[vale ravine]

could do a Rive build with ES for levelling, it's almost the same build gearing passive and skill wise as the "spammable ES" build so the transition is smooth. Rive is super strong on its own, generates mana for you to dump with ES, and once you get Worldsplitter and 500-700 mana you just switch it over with a couple of skill changes

[analog steppe]

Usually in LE you have to pick one thing to scale

[covert phoenix]

stack 1000 mana, use warpath, end it, then use time reversal!

OH WAI---

[vital horizon]

quick question, the new champion affixes has: Chance to cast Smite on hit with throwing attacks (up to 10 times per 2 seconds), if I put that on my weapon, but my idol also has Chance to cast Smite on hit with throwing attacks (up to 10 times per 2 seconds), does that make it so smite can trigger twice? do the %chance get added or multiplied together? Can it now trigger 20 times per two seconds? do they fuction completely individually from each other?

[south zephyr]

Just get 1200% Time Rot Chance, easy

This is a joke

[analog steppe]

My assumption is they are the same stat and will scale like having multiple of that idol did

[sly fern]

How about this, ignore all the t7 im jz lazy https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7ZbJNOQ

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (26) / Paladin (64)

General:

▸ Health: 3,111, Regen: 214.5/s
▸ Mana: 122.63, Regen: 15.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 139% / 107% / 137% / 100% / 60% / 87% / 7%
▸ EHP: 8,028 / 8,028 / 8,028 / 11,645 / 7,349 / 8,028 / 4,779

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,010
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (152)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,803)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 9% (60)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 68%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Active), Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Orian's Sun Seal
• Tu'rani's Bident

[vital horizon]

I'm new here, how did having two of that idol function?

[analog steppe]

Just additive% to trigger the effect

[vital horizon]

got it, thanks

[south zephyr]

Yeah doesn't increase the limit

[rapid kayak]

Hey guys, I'm super excited for season 2! I was wondering if you know of any builds that use two-handed weapons( It's been difficult to find one with the new 1h weavers), i've exclusively played rive paladin and EQ beastmaster (im the melee guy)

[turbid dome]

Rive void knight

Get that apathy’s maw and just smack stuff

[verbal nova]

Question: which skills contain more multipliers that affect time rot damage?

[robust lake]

Volatile Reversal for one

[analog steppe]

You want to look for “more damage” “more damage over time” or “more ailment damage” only

[little temple]

Warpath has 60% ailment efficiency right?

[analog steppe]

If it specifies hit then it won’t work for time rot scaling

[covert phoenix]

most of them, but the amount and the clunkiness associated wildly vary

[quiet hearth]

Hmm, Im at 5 casts of ae per cas with the echoing, with a 55% echo chance, so with 300% ignite puts me around 20 per cast on average

If you have AE set to echo in the tree, and it VK echoes, does it also do the in tree echoing?

[silk moon]

Will we have any "RF" paladin this season??

[quiet hearth]

ravaging aura and judgement are as close as you are getting

[south zephyr]

I made a disgusting hammer of lorent twink gear so I may make my VK in legacy

119 Void, 50% Area, 200% Melee damage, 19% void pen

[fluid sparrow]

And Judgement Aura got a bit of QoL this seaosn, lil bit less cd and the longer duration... 😄 implicitly meaning that you can try to regain that 25% mana again

[turbid dome]

Isn’t dorb getting an AOE dot around it

That plus auto cast + orbiting would kinda be RF

[fluid sparrow]

And wasn't there a new unique that did something similar?

with the witchfire

Unsure if it can scale well ofc

[silk moon]

I played good RF judgment aura time ago but Volatil Reversal was horrible for HC

[fluid sparrow]

But surely had a quite big radius, 10 meters

[quiet hearth]

that one node now gives 100% duration and dot dmg is wild

[fluid sparrow]

Well VR won't fit into that build like it usedto anyway. 😛

[river sierra]

is low life popular on sentinel? finding it hard to get much ward retention / decay thresh

[fluid sparrow]

The 100% dot ... unsure if that is a full buff with the mana changes, but surely nice welcome. But like I said, duration and no extra CD is nice Quality of Life

[quiet hearth]

likely a little lower

I could try that double aura thing again, judgement aura and ravaging aura

[fluid sparrow]

but technically speaking, the Pious changes are abou the same as they used to be right? (aside from the way how to regain mana)
Before with 100 mana: 50% more dmg (100% of 100 = 100; 100 * 0.5%)
After with 100 mana: 50% more dmg (25% of 100 = 25; 25 * 2%)
right?

[lofty marsh]

i will probably do warpath for cruising through monos until i swap

[quiet hearth]

pally WP ignite I think will be super smooth

[turbid dome]

Pally is now the ignite guy always on sentinel

[quiet hearth]

I dont think always but definitely for melee, Im cooking a vk abyssal echoes ignite thing right now

[turbid dome]

[verbal nova]

As long as it doesn't say hit, will it apply to time rot granted by passives/gear? I wasn't sure if the ailment needed to be specifically granted by a point in the skill tree.

[analog steppe]

As long as it doesn’t say “hit, melee, etc any conditional that isn’t damage over time or ailment”

[quiet hearth]

hey engi, in the a echo tree you get repeats, if a VK echoes that, will it also do the repeats?

[shadow cove]

Ugh it's 10am and I'm already out-peopled for the day

[turbid dome]

Going off of how the double cast node in smite works I would assume so

[quiet hearth]

if my math is right Im getting 24 ignite stacks per single AE cast, which aint bad in and of itself

[turbid dome]

Echoing it acts as if you used it twice

So if abyssal echos itself repeats then yeah

The screaming rift node or whatever it’s called in the upper right, correct?

[quiet hearth]

so, assuming averages, that puts me at 30 stacks of ignite per cast if I include echoes and yes, that one

[wise rune]

Sentinel is primarily a health based class so outside of situations with completely broken or bugged ward generation like we saw with healing hands a while back it's rare to see low life on sentinel

[turbid dome]

Yeah that should work given you basically put down two screaming rifts when it echos

[quiet hearth]

Now I just gotta solve the mana issues

[turbid dome]

Unsure if there’s something weird because it’s technically a sub skill I think

[turbid dome]

Smite + time and faith for more ignites

[quiet hearth]

cant, self casting these choes

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

you know I have to do something stupid to have fun

[turbid dome]

Void essences on passive tree + idols gaming

Mana stack

[snow wing]

guys i just want to know how many % of damage you need for good dps like what is the average to clear corruption 300/400

[turbid dome]

In general I do

• as much flat dmg as possible
• aim for 1000% increased damage for my main skill
• stack as many more multipliers as possible
• if hit build get crit

But for an accurate number we would need to talk about a specific skill

[snow wing]

getting 1000% mean u wont have good def no ?

[shell wedge]

1000% increased is very achievable without anything suffering

[radiant vortex]

That's 1000% total from many sources not just on gear mod

[turbid dome]

For increased damage? No

Increased includes passive tree and gear

[radiant vortex]

You should be getting can get like 500+ from just setting up your tree and skill <_<

[turbid dome]

Most builds have a way to scale defense and damage with the same stat

[snow wing]

can i show you the build im trying to make ?

[turbid dome]

Import it into LE tools and link it here yeah

[knotty plover]

anyone ever play that skill point in forge strike that makes your forge weapons lives shorter but allows them to explode on expiration? Kinda sounds like it could be fun to play around with

[snow wing]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdj4pnOo

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (19) / Paladin (74)

General:

▸ Health: 2,274, Regen: 168.48/s
▸ Mana: 300.61, Regen: 11.55/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 62 Str / 6 Dex / 6 Int / 53 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 118% / 43% / 83% / 103% / 65% / 105% / 84%
▸ EHP: 9,089 / 6,886 / 9,089 / 13,656 / 8,263 / 9,089 / 9,089

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 460
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,804)
▸ Block Chance: 55%, Mitigation: 57% (2,775)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (1/3,Passive)

Used skills:

• Vengeance (27)
• Holy Aura (21)
• Healing Hands (23)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Shield Rush (21)

Used unique items:

• Rahyeh's Light
• Renegade's Will
• Wings of Argentus
• Azurral's Fury
• Yulia's Path
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Logi's Hunger
• Immortal Vise

[turbid dome]

I tried that but then it got weird sustaining weapons

[snow wing]

dont mind the items

[turbid dome]

Am not the best FG builder tho

[snow wing]

was just afin around

[knotty plover]

Yea, it might just work better if the node made the weapons not last for a shorter while but just explode when in range

[turbid dome]

ok whats the plan here cause this build plan is all over the place

but this does have like 700% increased melee fire damage

[shell wedge]

without any good item setups

one item has modifers so ye it's very achievable

[snow wing]

it does more then that cuz healing hands scale with healing effect

[shell wedge]

But what is your goal with the build?

[turbid dome]

^

[snow wing]

using vengeance and procing healing hands with vengeance and ripost 😄

[turbid dome]

ok first things first, base sentinel tree changes

you want 5/5 in armored combatant and time and faith

you only care for the block chance from the shield line there and ageis of renewal is not worth it when your spam procing time and faith

block effectiveness wise its very inefficient per point on stalwart

idk if retribution is worth it or not? never really used it, I think draven used it

[snow wing]

its worth it

sometimes it proc healing hands dunno if its bugged cuz its not supposed to proc healing hands 😄

it did last time i plyd last epoch on launch

[turbid dome]

fair enough

[shell wedge]

base retribution damage is 2, so you need a lot of flat to make that scaleable

with effectiveness at 100%

[snow wing]

not using it for dmg 😄

only to proc

[turbid dome]

your points in the FG tree also aren't really worth it as they seem to be aiming for more block effectiveness so we can pull those out for use else where leaving you with this

get the block chance, 5 strength and 5% more dmg with your mace

this does mean you can stick 5 points into abyssal endurance in the VK tree for 5% less void and physical damage taken

[snow wing]

hmmmmm interesting im gonna change it

[turbid dome]

or if you want more defense, you can do this with 15 points as the 5 pointer there gives %Increased max health

which is the only source of it on sentinel that isn't in the second half of a tree

which would be 34% increased health if you do 12 points in reverence of duality on the palladin tree instead of your current 10

since were not grabbing block effectiveness on tree, you'd want idols like this

you can use 4 of these at once

so that + your shields block effectiveness is more than enough block effectiveness imo

[snow wing]

what about block chance

[turbid dome]

we are grabbing that

[snow wing]

max cap is rly high 100%

[turbid dome]

yeah but also you can get block chance affixes

[indigo hound]

Hey, not following all the updates etc but used to play sentinel HC last season a coule of weeks. What are a good starter build? Still healing hands?

[turbid dome]

hammer throw is always the go to

[snow wing]

warpath echo

[shell wedge]

You slap a block chance on your shield, and you're almost at 100%

[radiant vortex]

shield, rings, gloves, blessing

[shell wedge]

with no other mods

[turbid dome]

yea

[snow wing]

@turbid dome so is it viable my build ?

could work ?

[turbid dome]

yeah your just gonna need to do some fine tuning on the paladin tree, which I'm looking at rn

[snow wing]

high corruption

cuz lower corruption ez i did it wtih half of that build last year

[shell wedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJYX8ZxA
When I started I was going very unrealistic mods, now I've toned it down a bit

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (90) / Forge Guard (3)

General:

▸ Health: 3,527, Regen: 67.2/s
▸ Mana: 201.51, Regen: 14.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 3 Att / 120 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 71% / 71% / 90% / 81% / 140% / 140%
▸ EHP: 16,556 / 16,556 / 16,556 / 24,304 / 19,132 / 14,540 / 14,540

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 705
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,501)
▸ Block Chance: 69%, Mitigation: 58% (2,813)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Inspiration, Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Devouring Orb (25)
• Anomaly (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)

Used unique items:

• Siphon of Anguish
• Brewmaster's Buckle
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Atrophy

[orchid flint]

I wonder if when you turn heartseeker into a throwing attack and it recurves it has a chance to proc smite with the idols

[indigo hound]

Warpath looks fun, its like whirlwind yes? Used to spam ww barb in diablo 2 😛

[shell wedge]

it is like whirlwind yes

[hallow knoll]

yes it's the spin to win of last epoch

[wise rune]

You can pair it with other items like the palarus sword and the new belt to get even more procs, so rather than being your main way of casting smite it's just an extra source for a build that already gets lots of smites on hit

[celest ember]

Please disable ping when replying to me.

[snow wing]

but smite wont do enough dmg cuz u wont get the smite tree

[celest ember]

Is that node worth 4 points though?

4 points for 1 Smite per second seems like a lot.

[turbid dome]

you stack it with vortex pendant and smite on throwing attack idols

so you spin at things and trigger a bunch of smites

[shell wedge]

Spin to dorb to proc time rot, good stuff

I need 9% block chance

[coral dawn]

might just be that i just got forge strike but so far it feels a bit on the weak side

[silk crystal]

Question for other sentinel enjoyers what are some good ways of getting mana back now that reversal has been changed?

[shell wedge]

as a void knight, essence of the end and void well

[coral dawn]

you could use the sentinel passive for mana on hit with rive/vengeance

[shell wedge]

or that

[coral dawn]

works with rive, vengeance, smite and multistrike

[wise rune]

wouldnt work because rogue can't equip those idols, should work with the new champion affix though if throwing heartseeker loses the bow requirement

but like others have said it would still be bad

[turbid dome]

time and faith works great if your using one of the 4 skills that procs it

[south zephyr]

50% missing health heal is nuts

Is it Thursday yet?

[coral dawn]

yes 🙂

[celest ember]

You could use all these things without 4 points for one more Smite per second though, so the question is again whether it's worth the 4 points.

I'd be kind of starved on points for Warpath, so probably not?

[quiet hearth]

I should invest in some mana spent gained as ward stuff because Im gonna be absolutely dunking on my mana pool

[quasi totem]

Has anybody tried using Blast Forge in Manifest Armor? Wondering if it's any good or if I should just stick to regular ignite on melee attacks for it

[celest ember]

The build I have in mind is spin2win Warpath, Devouring Orb, Symbols of Hope, Anomaly. No idea about the fifth slot.

[shell wedge]

abyssal echoes is a nice lil more multi damage

crumbling is very nice

[turbid dome]

heres a quick redo of it, I removed a lot of the uniques just to show that it works with your defenses covered without them. Def play around it with a lot to figure out what will work for you

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNVPqZ7o

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (15) / Forge Guard (8) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 2,571, Regen: 185.23/s
▸ Mana: 263.51, Regen: 11.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 58 Str / 6 Dex / 6 Int / 56 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 80% / 80% / 97% / 71% / 111% / 76%
▸ EHP: 15,505 / 15,505 / 15,505 / 29,153 / 15,693 / 15,505 / 15,505

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 611
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,267)
▸ Block Chance: 97%, Mitigation: 60% (3,037)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (1/3,Passive)

Used skills:

• Vengeance (25)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Shield Rush (20)

Used unique items:

• Renegade's Will
• Logi's Hunger

[turbid dome]

but in conclusion beefy

with a lot of open slots so you can shuffle the rings + hat off of triple T7s and into something more realistic

[celest ember]

I won't be building into DoT though. So if I use Abyssal Echoes, I'd have to take the node that makes it into a hit.

[silk crystal]

Thanks for the info I found the same options was curious if there was anything more people have thought of

[shell wedge]

hit dorb interesting

[south zephyr]

Hit dOrb can combine with void smite for synergistic scaling

[snow wing]

yeah i will thank you very much ❤️

[shell wedge]

I'm going full dot. time rot, doom, dorb and abyssal echos

[turbid dome]

Also that plan was having it set to max, so show it’s possible, it probably defaulted to average when you opened it

I also didn’t touch the skills

[shadow cove]

I just don't wanna play syndra with placing dorbs then eating them all for a big hit. Brain want turn off

[shell wedge]

I just spin and they appear and degen everything

[real patrol]

the new max dmg for hammer is so stupid, are we really tossing a single non returning hammer?

[shell wedge]

Warpath is essentially just an additional 20% block chance

[turbid dome]

And flat crit if your triggering stuff

[solemn leaf]

Sup y'all is yruns penance any good?

[shell wedge]

My build will be played with 2 buttons, hold warpath and click reversal

[shadow cove]

Oh ill have them while spinning but def not going all in on that. Doesnt feel there'd enough ways to scale the TR damage while scaling warpath

I just see it as icing on my spinny cake

[turbid dome]

Isn’t that the leveling sword that converts mana strike and leap to cold

[solemn leaf]

Yeap

[turbid dome]

I don’t think anyone’s done a full sentinel build with it

Cold is a distinct hole in sentinels tool kit

[solemn leaf]

So best keep in the vault for now, right?

[turbid dome]

Probably

Unless toast drops some knowledge rn

[alpine canopy]

For sent yeah, for primalist it's a maybe since it's the only way to convert fury leap (and maul) to cold

[solemn leaf]

Thanks guys

[turbid dome]

Wait it converts maul too?

H u h

[quiet hearth]

Im looking at all this ignite stuff and my brain keeps telling me to just go play black hole

[turbid dome]

The big S U C C

[quiet hearth]

Not if you go the ignite route, removes that

But binary star just looks so freakin cool

[glossy ridge]

How much is this build "unrealistic" ? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oz5Lz8eB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (65) / Paladin (28)

General:

▸ Health: 3,462, Regen: 237.44/s
▸ Mana: 188.51, Regen: 15.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 59 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 134% / 105% / 103% / 131% / 78% / 93% / 93%
▸ EHP: 12,794 / 12,794 / 12,794 / 21,213 / 12,794 / 12,794 / 12,794

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 978
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (306)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,096)
▸ Block Chance: 64%, Mitigation: 34% (875)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 60%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Symbols of Hope (1/3,Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Smite (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Forge Strike (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)

Used unique items:

• Sierpin's Fractal Tree
• Bleeding Heart

[turbid dome]

Real

[coral dawn]

0 cd forge strike seems like the way to go so far

[quiet hearth]

for mana reasons Ive always preferred proccing via AS multistrike

[turbid dome]

I'm gonna say a lot of it, quad T7 exalted items are very very very rare

[copper thistle]

they basically dont exist

[turbid dome]

yea

[glossy ridge]

well never need to be maxed...

[turbid dome]

imo make the plan using triple T5 affixes and one T6 or T7

[quiet hearth]

just assume t5s and that's a pretty good standard imo

[turbid dome]

thats a lot more consistent to get

also swap that body armor for champion regalia

[wise rune]

whats the best skill to use to regen mana and create forged weapons as fast as possible

[glossy ridge]

will need shift a few items then because 3k HP for ranger char should be minimum if i dont run dodge build

[turbid dome]

probably multi strike with time and faith (base sentinel tree node)

[quiet hearth]

either that or rive

[turbid dome]

I've never liked rive for forge weapon generation

always felt weird

[quiet hearth]

Give me a rebuke line on the tree that removes dmg in exchange for hella boosting my regen stats

[turbid dome]

Rebuke deals no damage (does it really do any?)

100% more health and mana regen

[quiet hearth]

It actually can do a pretty respectable amount if you get hit alot

[turbid dome]

Fair

[quiet hearth]

Like mage gets focus so why not?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, but only if you grab the node that makes fury leap's tree apply to it

[turbid dome]

I forget that’s a node

But neat that it works like that

[alpine canopy]

That node also makes cooldown reduction specific to fury leap apply to maul, too, it's kinda odd

[silk wasp]

With Divine Catalyst, does taking Seraph Blade make Divine Bolt scale with Melee Damage?

[turbid dome]

My guess is items that convert skills are actually just enabling hidden passives on the skills tree

Code wise

[alpine canopy]

It applies to the mutator I think, which is functionally the same thing. It didn't used to work, they updated all the cooldown stuff for fury leap -> maul specifically, so I don't think it's the usual way they do these effects.

[coral dawn]

forged weapons seem to do a bit of damage though

[turbid dome]

Fair

[abstract edge]

if youre stacking attunement anyways, could one use forge strike for generation instead?

[turbid dome]

Unless it got changed there’s a multi strike node that makes you get more forged weapons when you forge strike

[abstract edge]

just thinking about saving a spec slot

[alpine canopy]

No

[silk wasp]

Ok thanks

[copper walrus]

Void knights unite! Just a few more nights!

[analog steppe]

every night leaves an empty void inside until the 17th

[shadow cove]

I just keep doing practices runs

[turbid dome]

I’m studying for an exam

😭

[analog steppe]

rip, if it makes you feel any better I'm grading an exam and its not any more fun

[turbid dome]

Oh what do you teach?

[analog steppe]

math, mostly calculus and pre calculus this year

[turbid dome]

Ah I remember those classes

Vaguely

[analog steppe]

I should make them optimize time rot damage as an assignment

[turbid dome]

Using your students to theory craft?

I love it

[quasi totem]

Has anybody tried out Blast Forge in Manifest Armor?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, people have. I think someone posted a video of spell scaling MA a few days/weeks ago or something like that.

[quasi totem]

Any idea how it compares to just using the +200% ignite on melee node? I've been trying to find info about Blast Forge but apparently it's not too popular since google searching isn't finding me anything

[alpine canopy]

I think it's just a totally different build. Forge breath has a decently large area, so clearing with it might actually be decent compared to normal melee or ailment MA builds.

But single target probably lower due to not having the crazy shield throw thing.

[quiet hearth]

are set suffixes not in the builder yet?

[quasi totem]

I don't do shield throw either way 😛 I'm doing forged weapons ignite, or at least thats the plan, for season start. I'm just torn between leaving the manifest with the +200% ignite chance melee node or the Blast Forge, since the next two nodes remove the cooldown, which would make the melee nodes pointless.

[wise rune]

they are

[quiet hearth]

not seeing the one for the ruby fang set showing for shields

[alpine canopy]

It's a prefix, and won't show up if you have a set item already selected (I've certainly never done that....)

[quasi totem]

If it makes you feel any better I spent a good five minutes trying to figure out why I couldn't find experimental affixes...helps to look at the right spot.

[shadow cove]

Just make sure you're not trying to seal them 😛

[timber berry]

I kinda dont have any idea what to league start with as a sentinel

[quiet hearth]

im talking about on the item screen where you would add it, it's not showing up, is it rare only?

[urban phoenix]

You're trying to add it to a unique?

its rare only, yeah.

[turbid dome]

Set items don’t go on legendaries

[quiet hearth]

oh fml Im on the wrong build tab

[quasi totem]

Yea, since set items are classified as uniques, you can't add them to other uniques. Really fun to think about some of the wacky combos though if you could.

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

right, but I have like three tabs open with different builds and I was on the wrong one

[quasi totem]

Done that way too many times

[winged vale]

Hey guys i need help understanding how to build javelin for holy trail. Does the trail do regular damage or dot damage? Do i need to invest in ignite chance or do i just go for as much healing effectiveness, damage, or damage over time?

Im pairing it with judgement aura

[analog steppe]

damage over time

[forest narwhal]

Do you guys think warpath vk will be able to do bosses and high corr on the new update? idk if its tankiness/dps will be good enough to push high

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[marble oxide]

I found what I ll be starting this league with. Its probably something that will fall of with high corruption but I think I ll really enjoy the playstyle leveling. FG with forged weapons and multismite all doing electrify
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/lm7ks079

[vapid sun]

Hello, are there any other skills besides judgement and holy trail javelin that scale dmg from healing effectiveness?

[marble oxide]

healing hands if you play it for damage

[vapid sun]

i see, thanks. and that affects other divine bolts too. cool

[quiet hearth]

Man, Rive HH ignite pally is gonna be baller

that 5% fire pen per 100 healing eff is a big chunk of pen

[winter copper]

It might be ok, no point playing over judgmet spam

Same aoe less dmg and less tankiness

[quiet hearth]

There is no might, it's Rive HH, that alone carries it, it's not about being better it's about being fun.

[mild stump]

How difficult would I be if I used Warpath as my primary leveling ability? I'm guessing grab the -mana cost node and the +added void damage node.

[quiet hearth]

It'll be fine, not the best but enough

[short viper]

sentinel looks like it'll be competitive again, i'm sure a lot of people here are stoked

[junior wren]

it was always competitive

[scenic gyro]

you'll be fine, you get some juicy nodes with void knight on your way so it will only improve

[mild stump]

YEah, the whole void path other than the added void damage node is locked until I get mastery.

[short viper]

this node alone would be enough to carry void knight

[winter copper]

Competitve where? Not on arena ladder thats for sure

Kekw

On hc/uber yes it will be

[junior wren]

wasn't third place in arena a manifest armor build?

[winter copper]

Still worse than abom and will never be better

As well as all other sent builds

[junior wren]

still beat abom in arena ladder 😄

[short viper]

i'll specify that it'll be competitive for the hearts and minds of the average player at around the same level as other classes

[junior wren]

honestly idk where this dissonance is coming from. We had sentinel builds in tierlists at S-tier and A-tier positions and in top arena rankings, yet somehow it wasn't competitive. Sure

[winter copper]

No?

Both 1.1 and 1.1 reset abom 1st

[short viper]

sentinels on arena ladder have always been a special case

the manifest armor thing is an anomaly

[junior wren]

I guess the 6th place paladin is also an anomaly

[short viper]

yes

there's so many changes going in at the same time now that it's hard to figure where it'll re land

[junior wren]

right, so all the sentinel builds are an anomaly, but all the builds from other classes aren't an anomaly

[junior wren]

and you're right, I was wrong

[winter copper]

If we exclude snapshotting then sent is competitve on arena but with snapshot i dont think so at least if you aim for rank 1

[short viper]

i remember a reddit post from 6 or so years ago about how snapshotting was going to end up being the games biggest balance issue eventually

[winter copper]

S3 copium

Since its also an acolyte patch

At least we know devs are working on it

[short viper]

the patch feels gigantic to me since i quit around when they announced the market reset (not because the reset, i was just burnt out) but i'm sure there's some sore spots from people that have been watching the process

[winter copper]

Snapshot is so good that you actually want to use it on erasing strike in s2 imo. Free doom stacks and 24% damage reduction and whole screen aoe taunt. No reason not to do it

[short viper]

i will probably abuse falconer again for league start but i'm actually pretty stoked about full void rive

[orchid juniper]

so for people on the time rot theory craft train, is it worth investing in hits at all or do we just go all in on rot grip scalars? I'm lookin at, like, the updated build guide on lastepochtools for dOrb autobomber and they're still planning on doing smite spam on bosses, and it totally warps the passive tree around from the pure time rot build I assembled myself

[shadow cove]

Isnt...a big hit a rot grip scaler...

[analog steppe]

i dont think you want to focus on hits at all with TR

[orchid juniper]

as long as you have the more multis on the skill web you can wimp out and have like 0 flat and do the same DoT lmao

[winter copper]

Just grip harder

[analog steppe]

its all about the scalar and the mores

[winter copper]

And you will be enlightened

[orchid juniper]

I'm seeing people still taking stuff like Temporal Corruption (+2 flat void damage per passive point) on the passive tree when I really don't think that adds a meaningful amount to total dps

[analog steppe]

i mean going autobomber in the firstplace isnt good for TR

the orbiting d orb has barely any mores on it

[winter copper]

Yep

Autombomber tr is bad compared to other options

[orchid juniper]

that build is, I think, mostly using dorb to run through echoes destroying chaff and real enemies get Smite spammed

[analog steppe]

smites mores are fine

not amazing but ok

[orchid juniper]

which does look decent? void beams+decent mores+this relatively standard vit stack tree/build

[winter copper]

U can just do the same thing but on dorb tr build, it has full screen aoe all u need is press volatile to carry orb with u

[analog steppe]

to me autobomber TR just sounds like trying to fit a square into a round hole

[winter copper]

Ya tr is supplimentary dmg on autobomber

Nothing more

[winter copper]

Maxroll time rot or warslash fury, anything else is atleast twice less dmg on tr imo

[orchid juniper]

the maxroll guide looks closer aligned to what I'm thinking, but also how often do you really need to use the full 8-10 orbs to actually get the job done lmao

maybe do the full combo on, like, bosses but for maps I'm probably just going to have like 2-4 orbs out at a time

[winter copper]

Only on uber lol and u dont want to have more than 8 its dps loss

[orchid juniper]

doesn't the parabola remain positive through 11? it's just lower marginal benefit

[winter copper]

I bet in 99% of content 4 is more than enough

[orchid juniper]

12 and beyond you're doing strictly less damage

[analog steppe]

the absolute max is 8, around 8 is relatively close within +/- 3 orbs

the difference between 8 and 10 is like <5%

[winter copper]

Afaik all bonuses on that node are additive with itself so on 8 orbs you have 48% less dmg, after 8 you have 54% and so on that makes it worse

[orchid juniper]

sure enough my hand scrawled math is wrong as hell

god it's been too long since I took algebra lmao

[analog steppe]

6 = 92.3%
7 = 97.5%
8 = 100%
9 = 99.5%
10 = 96.2%

outside that range is less than 90%

(numbers scaled based off 8 dorb damage)

[winter copper]

But it does so much dmg that 4 is enough for 1k mons for sure you do however want more than 4 to get full screen aoe but its up to u

[analog steppe]

yeah i mean even 4 is 73% of the maximum which isnt bad if the numbers are high enough

[winter copper]

Tbh in monos you just numlock it and only press vr

Should be chill playstyle

[quiet hearth]

People in here busting out literal math for their builds and Im just like, heh, ignite go sizzle

[gentle cloak]

Does anyone know if Iron Blade does or doesn't scale w/ Vengeance's tree?

[analog steppe]

the formula isnt exactly mind busting lol

[quiet hearth]

I dont even get that far, does it look fun? fornicate it we ball

[gentle cloak]

LETools doesn't mention it but in-game it explicitly says no, and idk if that changed for the upcoming patch

[analog steppe]

maximize x-0.06x^2 isnt a hard problem

[quiet hearth]

Listen, I had to do enough of that in highschool, I'm not doing it in my video game.

[analog steppe]

funny thing is my calculus class today just did basic optimization problems >.< this would be a perfect example problem lol

[quiet hearth]

I find thing, I make thing, I laugh, I cry, I move to the next nonsensical build

I will have to run the numbers on if the new weaver sword will outdo the ruby set

with the mastery changes for respec, I can finally find out if VK beats FG or pally now without hating myself

[obsidian tide]

Question regarding divine bolts. WHat does exactly mean "divine bolts scale from this tree" ? I get the main use is staking heal effectiveness for bane of evil, but are there other nodes that work ? Maybe sources of more damage, or AoE, or heal effectiveness ?
I guess you can't gain ward from divine bolts even with the proper nodes in the HH tree ?

[quiet hearth]

All bolts scall from the HH tree if you have at least one point in the bolt node

[obsidian tide]

yeah i get that, my question is, what scales ? only damage ?

[quiet hearth]

I think they inherit all of it?

[winter copper]

Yes anything damage related

[obsidian tide]

so you can't scale healing effectiveness there, only from tree and items, and then it converts as spell dmg ? Thanks !

[analog ingot]

I wanted to make a build that felt very "immovable object" and used event horizon, is this build stupid or viable? I also have a version that uses manifest armor instead of symbols https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaK4GOzA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (27) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (66) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,315, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 243.61, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 58 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 21 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 72% / 80% / 98% / 95% / 68% / 70%
▸ EHP: 14,787 / 14,356 / 14,787 / 26,204 / 15,565 / 13,820 / 14,083

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 964
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,318)
▸ Block Chance: 56%, Mitigation: 36% (1,000)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (25)
• Healing Hands (23)
• Shield Throw (27)
• Multistrike (25)
• Symbols of Hope (23)

Used unique items:

• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Titan Heart
• Foot of the Mountain
• Event Horizon
• Phantom Grip
• Shattered Worlds
• Siphon of Anguish
• Nihilis

[analog ingot]

How possible is it even to make a build that is tanky enough to not dodge stuff

[turbid dome]

Wana help me do some matrix math

[heady pumice]

is the healing hands on hit passive, only proccing once during warpath?

[gusty abyss]

Correct

[heady pumice]

sad

[analog steppe]

in 1.0 it was easy with crazy ward gen

[gusty abyss]

indeed

[heady pumice]

so there are very few skills that actually synergizes with warpath

[gusty abyss]

Well, healing hands can be a movement ability and its tree can buff divine bolts, especially next patch, thats still a solid option

[vale ravine]

I member when i was like "why do i have only 5-6k ward on my VK Rive with literally no investment whatsoever apart from speccing into melee HH"
Good times

[terse harness]

hmm is Finger of God - Healing Hands Paladin stronger than 1.1? it was so fun build when i tested it

[orchid juniper]

next question, with the dorb spam what's the plan for mana sustain? In my early sort of lvl60-70 planner I've only got like 10 mana per second to work with, which I think means Symbols is off the table (especially now that we'll have to spend mana for em every time instead of generating most on kill for free)

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (18) / Forge Guard (60) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,611, Regen: 99.3/s
▸ Mana: 520.98, Regen: 26.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 58 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 134% / 119% / 79% / 63% / 85% / 92% / 76%
▸ EHP: 7,735 / 7,735 / 7,735 / 11,950 / 8,142 / 7,735 / 7,735

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 933
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,972)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Smelter's Wrath (30)
• Healing Hands (23)
• Void Cleave (23)
• Symbols of Hope (23)
• Forge Strike (30)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Nihilis
• Suloron's Step
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[scenic gyro]

symbols only use mana on active use, they generate passively for free

[waxen nymph]

Sealed t7 Set affixes ?????

[final lantern]

my bad i dont change tier

[quiet hearth]

I completely forgot that vengeance can convert to fire now, oh no...

[orchid juniper]

oh huh that does change matters

[quiet hearth]

yeah that is beeg

[gusty abyss]

I think he is on copium from warlords riches, but technically possible

[final lantern]

nah

i click wrong one

[hallow knoll]

Good change for some builds but I hate it for self cast smite

[final lantern]

i change that

its missclick

[quiet hearth]

I mean nothing wrong with theory crafting the top end, as long as it's understood you will have a hell of a time farming that

[hallow knoll]

idek how you'd dump mana now

[analog steppe]

i dont think its possible

[scenic gyro]

did you map out a good strategy for imprinting
i thought about stuffing sceptre in warlords and legendaries in other slots

[orchid juniper]

though with the investment into blademaster on the base tree it becomes harder to sneak the passives for Symbols without eating into some fairly important passives

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, sceptre for sure, its way to hard to get a good one. Personally, I think I will grab the +level gear from mages, imprint the slots I need exalts on, and them use all favor for unique prophecies

Havoc the +skill gear into exalts, slam those onto uniques

[quiet hearth]

can we get WW on set items this patch?

[gusty abyss]

+attributes is now free, as we can reroll any of 4

[orchid juniper]

when those weaver tree nodes say they interact with Champions are those, like, actually the arena boss champions spawning or is this just, like, a juiced up elite

[gusty abyss]

Lets just say, red ring with +16 of desired attribute should be expected on every CoF build

[gusty abyss]

The new juiced up rares

[scenic gyro]

you think it would make sense to pivot for attunement stacking for smite

i got alot of free prefixes if i think about it

[gusty abyss]

Meh, we got no offensive treshold bonus based on attunement

[umbral pagoda]

im still not sure what should i go Bleed Hammerdin Paladin / Erasing Strike Void Knight / Warpath Void Knight / Devouring Orb Void Knight

[scenic gyro]

yea the tree looks pretty grim

[gusty abyss]

Between the healing and leech, do we need life regen?

So its just the endurance treshold, which is good

[scenic gyro]

nah, no room to build it properly

also no need

[final lantern]

how hard can be drop idols like this ?

[wise rune]

i vote for erasing strike

[analog steppe]

how hard was getting hybrid health idols before

< about that hard

but also only starting from endgame because i think those cant drop earlier

[quiet hearth]

Triple DOT ruby Fang Paladin

[gusty abyss]

I think double weaver will be rarer

[wise rune]

probably harder than hybrid health because its double weaver affixes

[sleek jacinth]

I was theorycrafting a Forge Strike hit build and noticed that when you spec Temper node in lastepoch tools it gives Forge Strike the Fire tag.

That should mean if you equip Logi's Hunger the (+2-+3)% fire critical strike chance should apply to Forge Strike then, right?

[gusty abyss]

Yes, as will the + minion skill level

[sleek jacinth]

interesting, I noticed it applied if you took the Forged by Fire node for the +minion skill level

[gusty abyss]

Forge Strike can get +22 skill levels I think

[alpine canopy]

Very

[south zephyr]

Not that you can do that much more with +22 than +10

[sleek jacinth]

crazy, yeah, my current theorycraft is +14, +22 is a ton, haha

[south zephyr]

Sword Catcher, Sun forged 2 piece, +4 T7, Nihilis, Codex and probably or or two more in forgetting

Oh double Phantom Grip

But yeah +22 is massive overkill

[scenic gyro]

trading 1,1k life for 20% less dmg, worth?

[south zephyr]

Depends on how much life you have left probably

4k->3k sure

[gusty abyss]

I think its only +20 actually, was thinking ravens but that is spell minion

Anyway, the crit, fire side, aoe, no cd and ranged use just about fits with that

[sleek jacinth]

Just another random thing, guessing it is more for dev. Do you think it is a typo that Sunforged Hammer Reforged only goes up to 12 melee fire per forged weapon and the actual set hammer goes up to 25?

when looking at LE tools

[urban phoenix]

probably not

it would be pretty insanely strong if that affix was at full strength on a rare

[quiet hearth]

Is there a reliable way to remove bleeding?

[scenic gyro]

ailment cleanse on belt

[quiet hearth]

yeah that is what I was thinking, wondering if something else was around

[gusty abyss]

Immune to bleed with exsanguinous when low health?

[quiet hearth]

Nah I need to be able to bleed to proc Redemption

[south zephyr]

Holy Aura if you're a pally

[gusty abyss]

smite could cleanse as well

[quiet hearth]

I am, trying to to rely on that too often though

[south zephyr]

Smite rarely has room but true

[quiet hearth]

running smite just for the cleanse would feel terrible I imagine

[gusty abyss]

well, if you take it as a buff skill it fits

But if you take smite for damage, yeah, does not fit

[quiet hearth]

I just dont wanna stop swinging

[south zephyr]

Found terrible but very funny Experimental boots with no move speed and bad affixes except they're T6 haste on traversal plus increased haste effect base. Casual 70% MS on traversal

[gusty abyss]

just solve haste and they beat actual MS

Ubberoth relic will make that combo the one for speed running

[scenic gyro]

now i wanna stack attunement 😦

it only costs health on gear

in my setup at least

[gusty abyss]

I really dont understand why they kept endurance treshold on belt out of all places