🔱┃sentinel

[south zephyr]

Wait NVM just scale block chance and get 300% more Vengeance damage by overcapping Endurance like crazy

[quiet hearth]

up to 150% pen if you've stood still for like 2s on jav

[quiet hearth]

how?

do you mean phys res?

[south zephyr]

Face of the mountain

[quiet hearth]

oh that right

you got this too

[south zephyr]

And also overcap phys for blade paladin

Yep

Combined you can probably get a lot of More on bleed

Probably run Valdyr

Unless I'm forgetting a better relic

[alpine canopy]

Looking pretty solid, obviously always can refine more with some spreadsheet or whatever but that's good enough to start trying out in the field imo

[quiet hearth]

maybe a jacked forgotten sent relic but outside of that

salt the wound gloves since you can get some decent crit multi in FG

[sonic wasp]

i wonder if this converts to void with the void node.

[quiet hearth]

Salt the wound, that only counts regular multi and not specific ones like throwing right?

[south zephyr]

Yeah

At least I think so

[alpine canopy]

Right, generic only - and since it's additive with blade paladin it's probably not worthwhile to even consider

blade paladin and all the bleed pen affixes on gear, too

[quiet hearth]

I mean, just means your hits aren't completely anemic becuase you can get a lot of multi

[alpine canopy]

Salt the wound converts your crit multi, so you'll only have a very tiny amount left

[quiet hearth]

fml that's right

[alpine canopy]

wing guards are an option, though - and you could slap on that singularity idol to benefit your hits a bit then since you won't be able to crit from the gloves

[little shadow]

awsome looks like i know what im playing then hahaha

[alpine canopy]

I hope it works out well!

[quiet hearth]

could slap in a core of the mountain for more endurance

actually, core of the mountain might go well in the goofy stun/petrify nonsense I mentioned the other day

[lyric lintel]

I think, you consider Phalanx just for the memes in that case) Not sure if it's possible to scale this bunch of nonsense, but anyways)

[lilac sparrow]

Maybe in next seasons phalanx won't be a meme anymore

[warm jolt]

how would one go about leveling hit-based erasing strike VK?

not super familiar with sentinel leveling

[lilac sparrow]

What I do

Play mg

[coral dawn]

what are some other skills I should look at for a forge strike build? So far I have forge strike, symbols and maybe shield throw or volatile reversal for haste. Was trying to look for a more consistent source of haste as well but im not familiar with sentinel

[lilac sparrow]

But two bumblebee

Play monos asap

Level up fast

Playing warpath with two bumble bees is my go for fast leveling

[south zephyr]

Hmmm ring of shields still seems kinda ehhhh

Like symbols seems way better at a glance

[lilac sparrow]

Symbols is better now

Automatic casting already

[coral dawn]

shields seem alright for health on shield death

[south zephyr]

Oh hmmm yeah that's a fair bit of healing with summon on block

More consistent

[coral dawn]

and then you could also get some health on block but might not be needed with how much healing shields will do

or at least seems like they will do

[south zephyr]

Trying to decide my last skill on Vengeance Shield Throw Javelin build

[coral dawn]

feel like doing no CD forge strike could be good as well but then I would need rive or something for mana generation

[dim narwhal]

is erasing strike fast for mapping?

[south zephyr]

Can be

Clears packs quick

[dim narwhal]

faster than spin to won?

trying to decide between them

[quiet hearth]

does increaed dmg in a skill tree also apply to dots they inflict?

[alpine canopy]

Use void cleave to guarantee crits, spec vengeance or rive with the mana gain passive to help for bosses

[south zephyr]

I think just More

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, as long as the damage modifier is applicable to the DOT, so like more melee damage doesn't help ignite

but simply more damage does

[south zephyr]

I stand corrected

[quiet hearth]

right, right, and that logic extends to items yeah?

[south zephyr]

Yep

Increased elemental damage affects ignite

For example

[quiet hearth]

I'm just making sure I remember all this right, I havent looked at anything in like 4m now and I dont remember a freakin thing

[alpine canopy]

Stats on items yes, skills procced by items won't get any modifiers from the things that proc them

[hidden nebula]

did ehg do any changes to forgemaster minion build?, seemed like it was an after thought for them, was hoping for cool forged weapon and manifest combo build viable for endgame

[alpine canopy]

unless it's a weird one, like the axes on vortex pennant are actually subskills of warpath

[quiet hearth]

Phalanx bleed vengeance, proccing the javalins and iron blades could lead to some pretty hefty bleed stacking

[south zephyr]

Flayers + Valdyrs? For shield+relic

[inland quarry]

giving shield rush a void tag is crazy good

[quiet hearth]

that's where Im at right now

comparing it to face of the mountain since the spear gives more multi for block chance, and face gives flat block for endurance

[south zephyr]

Depends how many places you can afford endurance

[quiet hearth]

got that new belt that gives up to 20% just on it's own

I also wanna try potion man with that potion crit belt

[strong plume]

Minion Build?

[native galleon]

For a noob player do I go Ignite Paladin or Void Knight for Warpath. No real goals just want to spin and see the endgame

[hexed sky]

id start ignite pally since it's easier to gear.

[ripe cargo]

no mana cost

biggestr part

no volatile reversal microm anagmenet bs

[river sierra]

~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALqXeX2Q

Alright spent alotta time on this one could use some feedback
Multistrike Smite Electrify. ~4-5 smites on hit, mana negated from foot of mountain, block procs 4-5 smites on block every 1 sec. 4400% increased lightning over time damage, healing hands on hit for sustain

Should be pretty tanky, full endurance threshold for hp pool. high block, decent dodge

[dusk marlin]

spin we must

[lyric lintel]

I think, I got general idea for my build finally 🙂 Ideas to be tanky, to have MA tanky and shield throw on retaliation) Maybe will swap multistrike and forgestrike to something else if forgestrike will start generating too many forged weapons and hinder the healing of MA. EHP definitely looks good. The only small thing, I will need to kill uber Abberoth 😄 https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApD37MKA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (63) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,786, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 280.38, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 34%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 62 Str / 17 Dex / 17 Int / 7 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 52% / 87% / 50% / 32% / 69% / 49%
▸ EHP: 56,903 / 40,711 / 50,075 / 61,948 / 56,903 / 47,240 / 39,742

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 907
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,160)
▸ Block Chance: 91%, Mitigation: 68% (4,400)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (25)
• Shield Throw (27)
• Forge Strike (27)
• Symbols of Hope (25)
• Manifest Armor (23)

Used unique items:

• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Sword Catcher
• Titan Heart
• Orian's Eye
• Blood of the Exile
• Phantom Grip
• Shattered Worlds

[lyric lintel]

Couldn't resist not to put this crazy relic into the build, it's too good)

[river sierra]

i wouldnt depend on it tho lol, we dont know how tough uber gonna be

[inland quarry]

i thought fissure only procced if you cast smite yourself?

[lyric lintel]

Yeah I know, anyways this planner more like a general direction for me. Don't even have 60% endurance here) It will be my try of checking out power of visualisation 😄 Like in this books about success 🙂

[covert phoenix]

Hum

Looking toward a giga combo erasing strike

like you recover mana with vengence, and every 2,5s you do an erasing strike with 4 echos, buffed with 45% and 20% more damage from vengeance, 80% more damage from abyssal echoes, the additional echo from reversal

and with 75 base mana cost for 37,5% base crit chance and 150% increase aoe

with 20 mana recovered per vengeance, you need 5 AS to recover enough mana

[bitter lintel]

Me too. Lotta moving parts multipliers

[alpine canopy]

You should drop electrify chance for more damage, and since you're negating all mana cost with foot of the mtn, you can grab the multi-hit node no issues to look something like this

[lyric lintel]

I'm not sure about all 3 points into Vengeful node in Multistrike, also I'm still not sure about how the math works, but I thought if Smite is our main source of damage (even if it's DoT from electrify), we want to get Sacrifice node, because it boosts your dot's. The only concern I guess will be a sustain)

[alpine canopy]

You can squeeze some extra damage out of HH if you want by getting the node for more damage but less cast speed (since cast speed doesn't matter anyway), and also get some more out of divine bolts with one point in that on HH and put a passive or several into divine bolt

[clever hazel]

Just a heads up RE: high mana cost smite + multistrike + foot of the mountain -- you should really test this offline or something before committing to the idea; I tried it myself and it felt awful IMO

the mana cost reduction from Foot of the Mountain is not going to be active most of the time, becuase well.. you aren't a tree, you move all the time

and the end result is you're basically permanently out of mana

[alpine canopy]

You might also be losing dps by disabling crits since you do have decent crit chance and are stacking multi, but I'm not sure without doing the math

[clever hazel]

multistrike smite is a lot more reasonable if you have a wand or staff equipped to reduce your smite cost to 0 all the time

[alpine canopy]

Burn the mana

I ran multismite electrify in 1.1 with the multi-hitting node no problem, no wand, no foot of the mountain

only reason you need it now imo is bladestorm

[clever hazel]

yeah, that's the context I'm talking about lol

obviously if you don't have bladestorm it doesn't really matter

[alpine canopy]

Bladestorm isn't going to be active unless you're on single target, where you can focus more on staying still

it'll obviously be a little odd getting used to, but it doesn't seem unreasonable since you can easily take mana dips

[narrow valley]

was this cannot gain more than 1 every 4 seconds line there on the previous patch?

does this apply to void essence from all sources, or just from this passive?

[dusk marlin]

you don't even need this passive to gain from other sources, do you?

[narrow valley]

yeah, doesn't say limit before patch, but it also doesn't have gain on boss hit.

so I guess it's just from this passive, to make you need at least another source of void essence

[river sierra]

sacrifice node increases dot dmg????

i thought it would be hit only

[river sierra]

yea wing guards are a maybe for sure, just worked well with the dodge + atk speed

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sure it's just for that passive, all the skills that grant essences don't say a trigger limit, and also it wouldn't even be possible to get 3 stacks if it was global

[river sierra]

u think w/ foot of the mountain the mana would be fine?

i originally was gonna go judgement + delieverance buff but that probably wouldnt have even been enough

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, as long as you are okay with the playstyle, it will be a little wonky on bosses that you can't facetank, but probably not too bad

(and if it doesn't feel good, you can always unspec it, it's mainly just for poppin clears)

[lyric lintel]

This is my current interpretation of what I saw here and in other places. From what I understand, your skill damage adds some scaling to the dot it produces. As I said, still not sure about it. DoT are a little bit too hard for me to understand

[river sierra]

well alotta the defence comes from it too

yea ive never done DoT or sentinel so not sure about a lotta stuff

[alpine canopy]

I can confirm that sacrifice does apply to DOTs you apply with smite

[river sierra]

does the -15% hp not nuke u though lol

[alpine canopy]

You fill out the node behind it that eliminates the health cost

you can leave it 4/5 if you're feeling dangerous since the smites will still heal it back, but imo safer to just have 5/5

[tired sorrel]

i wonder if the damage for void fissure via smite is going to be compelling

[lyric lintel]

Even with that info, I still don't get some things when you start thinking about minions:) For example, my MA, when it puts DoT's, which stats he applies? (I mean will it be mine DoT in character sheet or kind of his own)?

[uneven gorge]

Or run low life ward and completely ignore it 💪

[worn garden]

hmm poison warpath might still be good

[river sierra]

is wand basically the only way around foot?

aurelis isnt 100% needed in the build tbh

im full endurance threshold though at 1 stack so i should be pretty tanky

[covert phoenix]

hum

20M dps erasing strike

not bad

[worn garden]

yeah the 20million dps builds on maxroll

[covert phoenix]

? It's my build

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPpPb8vo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,025, Regen: 1,719.86/s
▸ Mana: 329.24, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 143%, Regen: 604/s
▸ Attributes: 40 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 57 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 69% / 69% / 62% / 78% / 99% / 73%
▸ EHP: 8,112 / 7,981 / 7,981 / 10,765 / 9,297 / 7,066 / 6,927

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 711
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,901)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Vengeance (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Falcon Fists
• Vessel of Strife

[cobalt blade]

More dmg to bosses and rares is in which damage bucket? Looking at Apostate's Santuary

[river sierra]

is LL a thing on sentinel? i get u can stack hp pretty high but where are u getting retention/decay thresh/ward/s

[covert phoenix]

it's not D4, when something says more, it's multiplicative with everything else

[alpine canopy]

It'll be the MA's stats for any skills the MA is the source of, and those skills will pass on all their stats to ailments they apply that they got from the MA similarly to how your skills work

[worn garden]

it's crazy that there's at least 9 different sentinel builds now that do 20million dps

[covert phoenix]

well, this one does 60M erasing strike every 3s 😄

[alpine canopy]

D4 character building 😵‍💫

[clever hazel]

sceptres can get flat spell skill cost reduction (affix), wand and staff (implicit, spell skills), relics (implicit, melee skills), foot of the mountain (everything).. I don't think anything else exists that would be relevant

[covert phoenix]

i'm triggered every time I see someone mention "bucket"

[wicked monolith]

How does disintegrating aura look next patch? Do the vk buffs outweigh losing VR?

[vernal frigate]

how are you estimating your dps? tried building my own variant last night and I had to transfer it all to maxroll just to see a tooltip number for ES but not an actual dps number :(

[covert phoenix]

Spreadsheet

[vernal frigate]

ahh nice

[covert phoenix]

for instance, mu dot EQ looks like this:

[vernal frigate]

your build is so interesting though, havent seen this variant with abyssal echoes yet

[covert phoenix]

first column is the sheet figures

second column are the corrected values with the stats not in the sheet

so I just have to report the sheet figures in order to quickly compare multiple setups

[vernal frigate]

vengeance enjoyer 🤝

im strongly of the opinion that veng is better than symbols of hope for ES builds

[alpine canopy]

is it an opinion if it's a fact?

[vernal frigate]

😆

[covert phoenix]

(downgraded to 20M once you are not in "maxed" setup anymore)

I really like world splitter giving 37.5% base crit haha

crit caped with 100% increased crit chance

[vernal frigate]

yeah its so nice, hope you are able to get a perf roll one early 🙏

i am running a shadow beacon variant and thirsty for crit

[noble zenith]

you reach 100% crit?

[covert phoenix]

yes

[noble zenith]

how lol

[vernal frigate]

anomaly + inc crit chance from their other stuff no?

[noble zenith]

( i never played VK )

[covert phoenix]

5% base, 5% mortal cleave, 3% prophet onslaugh, then you bump erasing strike mana cost to 75 with hastened cataclysm, and this line is giving you 37.5% base crit

total, 5 + 5 + 3 + 37.5 = 50.5% base crit chance, and with 100% increased you are at 100%

[noble zenith]

that nice numbers

[vernal frigate]

ooh i didnt check your anomaly tree, man theres so many ways to build now

[covert phoenix]

the manacost is horrendous, tho. One use of erasing strike costs 255 mana

[vernal frigate]

holy

[covert phoenix]

that's why you use vengeance with the +mana on chest

with the void essences, you sustain one use every 3s

[vernal frigate]

prob gonna be a smooth uberroth

[noble zenith]

i wish i could delete the 2 lastline from this item

[unreal monolith]

any good skills for leveling? hammer or rive? I will do a vengeance FG later.

find alternative skill before I get Phalanx spear.

[copper venture]

i am leveling hammers, respecing at 43 to dual wield erasing strike. obviously the end goal is the big boy axe erasing strike.

hoping the buffs to hammers makes it more bearable to play. not a fan of hammers for whatever reason

[polar spire]

Both are considered the best

So choose one or the other

I feel hammers takes a hit longer to pickup, rive starts good if you find a semidecent 2h with a flat damage roll early and run Foe Cleaver

[unreal monolith]

I will test rive today thanks

[slim spire]

Hammers really need throwing damage stuff to feel good, and those are relatively rare. May be just rng tho

[polar spire]

Bleed hammer spiral prob works better, but again, takes longer to get going

In the early campaign, hammer picks up around the act 1 boss, rive picks up way sooner

[unreal monolith]

Yeah that's I consider not hammer

[polar spire]

I was watching steelmages lil last epoch guide, and early on he had issues with an exiled mage, rive wouldnt have difficulties with that

[slim spire]

I probably will just level up with vengeance tho, beelining for the fw nodes. Probably a bad idea idk 🤣

[unreal monolith]

Vengeance is melee hammer is throw

[supple ibex]

do you guys do bonk with rive while leveling in S2? or is HH still the play?

[polar spire]

Why not both

[slim spire]

Hh is autocast

On melee hits

[supple ibex]

I want a rive build but the more builds i look at and then look at maxroll taking HH and maxing it a traversal > Void cleave and using sigils kinda confuses me

my adhd medicated brain is slowly dying

xD

[polar spire]

You can literally play rive as the sole, only skill, try that and mess around from there

[slim spire]

I wholly recommend you just build w/e you want and only look at guides if you got stuck

[polar spire]

Ive played rive only as a test for the skill back around 1.0

[slim spire]

Campaign is easy enough

Unless somehow champions change that

[polar spire]

Unless you get an exiled mage stupid early, apparently

Lmao

[supple ibex]

lol

[polar spire]

Watching steelmage struggle was great

[slim spire]

Nah you just skip those early on, loot is not worth it

[polar spire]

Do we get our first tombs/cemetaries in campaign or only monos? Do we know?

Needa know if im doing mono's the moment i get to end of time or not

[lilac grove]

Are hammer builds any good? How are they for leveling?

[mortal rapids]

Spiral hammer is the best leveling spec

[vernal frigate]

btw is this your own spreadsheet? trying to find a straightforward one to calc my own damage

[crimson rover]

you fellas think attunement stacking may become a thing in the new patch

[clever hazel]

I'm at about 10.66m boss DPS with electrify javelin in my calcs (with average gear, not maxxed); might have missed some multipliers somewhere though

also I'm like 99% certain hybrid hit+dot is trash for electrify javelin lol, even with scaling crit multi now

hits are ~7.8% of my total 🤣

level as paladin and then respec to void knight around level 60 imo, if you're going VK

respec costs are dirt cheap

terek's guide on maxroll or some sort of hammer throw build

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/paladin-leveling-guide

[quiet hearth]

that guide is just, use Rive and HH and be done with it

[hidden dock]

Nah if you're not VKing from level 1, you're a coward

[quiet hearth]

vk leveling isnt bad I dont know why it gets so much hate

[hallow knoll]

yeah there's no reason to scale both, it's inefficient when you can just focus entirely on electrify

[clever hazel]

I mean I have no idea if VK levelling is bad or not lol

he just asked me and I've only ever gone paladin, so 😂

all I can say is Rive+HH works

[quiet hearth]

Rive alwys works, I dont care what weirdness you tack onto it, it's going to work

[clever hazel]

got it, scaling poison and frostbite as rive (you can't stop me)

[quiet hearth]

Already did it, it works

It's not top tier, butthat one node in rive justcarries anything with a 2h

[hidden dock]

I just use Erasing Bonk

to level

no thoughts needed, just bonk

[quiet hearth]

wall of nothing and the new crit potion belt actually might roll pretty well with eachother

[alpine canopy]

Anyone mess around with theorycrafting divine flare? Looks potentially interesting, can get 5 sigils back in about 3s which gives it 500% more dmg, 300 area (assuming it's % inc?) and 200% repeat chance if it hits a rare/boss

[supple ibex]

are you leveling with rive? if so do u have a planner or just what skills u plan on using?

[alpine canopy]

I wish the void conversion didn't eat up 7 points or I'd try it on VK

[quiet hearth]

no plan, just pick up a 2h, click the 2h node on the left and get the melee HH conversion, that's the end of the guide

[quiet hearth]

void conversion for divine flare?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, but I'm sticking to fire since the tree is spread too thin

[quiet hearth]

divine flare, the node in symbols of hope?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's getting a rework in S2

I feel like if we can scale it to 1-shot packs, the 3s cooldown won't feel too bad

[quiet hearth]

I've heard zero about that and it's not in the builder either

or I havent seen it in the builder rather

Oh it's on the left I see it now

[alpine canopy]

It's the bottom/right side of the SoH tree

[quiet hearth]

The conversion node is in the upper left?

like I know where divine flare is I was looking for the conversion node

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, behind two 3-point connections 😔

ahh okay

[quiet hearth]

Im on like 4hrs sleep, bare with me here

yeah if you want to do void you have to forgo all the other juicy nodes

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it seems mandatory to get both +1 max symbols, and generally pretty good to get the 1 symbol refund on activation

[quiet hearth]

you're only gonna get +1 symbol as far as I can tell

for the void version

[alpine canopy]

I ended up needing two +2 Orian rings and a +2 SoH relic to get the minimum points just to get the nodes that felt needed

[alpine canopy]

Agreed, that seems to be the only way, it hurts, but maybe it's okay since you'll be using it more often

[quiet hearth]

I mean, the void one does give you +15% per symbol,

[alpine canopy]

Could roll it with omnividence or shadow beacon maybe for more levels lol

[quiet hearth]

I mean, using to two rings and the right relic you can hit plus two but that is a STEEP cost

[bitter lintel]

so playing a VK currently to practice..... is there a way to have the zero cooldown erasing strike without the extra mana echo auto cast ?

[alpine canopy]

I wonder if it's possible at all to reach the 5th symbol

with all the +levels possible

[quiet hearth]

It is but you need a perfect roll on both rings and a code relic

you technically can lose one lvl and still get them

I just dont know the benefit of going void

[slim spire]

Any way to spam 0-cd Forge Strike with current patch?

[quiet hearth]

can the divine flare echo?

[alpine canopy]

Level 33 gets me everything I want... only costs 6 arms and 4 legs

[alpine canopy]

I'm actually not sure how that would work

If it can echo, then the play is definitely using VR to guarantee the echo

[quiet hearth]

I mean, it is a spell, it is void

I mean with waves of light you always have it on a boss

[alpine canopy]

The question is, does it fizzle out when it echoes since you only have 0-1 symbols?

[quiet hearth]

I can only imagine it snapshots

[alpine canopy]

or does it work like the recasts

and can it also recast

[quiet hearth]

howd you get to lvl 33

[alpine canopy]

I had to use 2 +2 orian rings, +2 shadow beacon, +2 nihilis, and code of the erased or shattered worlds with +4 SoH.... pretty unreasonable to get easily lol

[quiet hearth]

yeah it is

So it boils down to how much boom we get for that

I think dropping 1 symbol is worth saving the points until the endest of end game hoenstly

the bottom left 1 is 6pts saved and you're not losing THAT much

[robust lake]

perma uptime on 5 symbols is already massive, after this season we gonna get nuked I feel 🫣

[quiet hearth]

yeah, gives you 575% dmg for 5 symbols, which is great for just by itself, now if it can echo

[robust lake]

EHG gotta give us a pinnacle uber unique next season that allocates one random skill tree completely

[alpine canopy]

I agree, especially if echoing works fully, thanks to guaranteed echo on VR - that actually more than makes up for losing the 5th symbol

I'll definitely test that out when S2 comes since I'm starting VK, might be fun

[slim spire]

Why random? Deterministic baby

[robust lake]

that'd be op

[slim spire]

Don't worry we gonna get superchamps after this 🤣

[robust lake]

frfr if super arena champs are weaker than sirus-empowered guys from back in atlas poe I'll be disappointed

[slim spire]

Ehg is going to put prenerf archnemesis into the game someday. And people are going to applaud them for it 💯

[robust lake]

le vision

[quiet hearth]

I think fire is a lot easier, but if they do echo then void has a much higher ceiling

[slim spire]

LeVision. Tbf tho it's a power fantasy game, as long as they powercreep both players & mobs at pretty much the same rate, I'm perfectly fine with that

[alpine canopy]

Yeah totally agreed. Though if the echoing works, I think even 4-symbols echoing void flares are better than the 5-symbols fire flares

[slim spire]

So nobody knows? Rip

[alpine canopy]

You need a ton of mana recovery or reset your mana with VR, I haven't messed with that one personally, but I think I've heard of people doing it

[slim spire]

Yeah I'm wondering if anyone managed to do it without VR

[umbral breach]

Damn paladin crit multi node is huge for dot electrify. Cant decide what to focus on. Smite with sacrifice or javelin (dot build).
If I trigger smite with sacrifice i always pay life price right? With idols (trigger smite on throw) we dont spend mana.

[quiet hearth]

hey toast what is the node you were talking about for 100% echo?

[hallow knoll]

last time I played the build I think this is how it worked yea, I pretty much only spec Sacrifice when I have a Bleeding Heart

[grave prairie]

hey folks, obviously we aren't in season 2 quite yet (very hyped for it) and looking/planning some stuff for the game and launch. I am looking at build guides people are making already ahead of time and I like the idea of some of them but sturuggling to find something I like.

Judgement paladin looks great but I worry about farming with it since the only videos i could find for it made it seem like it was a bit slow.

Javelins looks fun even though I am normally a melee player but I worry about scaling it into late game (wanting to go for Aberroth clear at the very least this time around)

And Forged Weapons FG lsounds really fun as I really like playing Melee and Minion builds, but I'm worried about farming with that as well.

Do you guys think it would be better to play something that can just focus on farming well first to then giga gear up a character to take on the challenging content or am I just trying to be too sweaty and taking the fun out of the upcoming season trying to plan and max ahead of time?

[quiet hearth]

Do what you want honestly, almost anything can take you into empowered and farm

but from personal experience, Judgement isnt slow

I actually hadnt thought about judgement with the changes

[brave prism]

Hey guys, question about the line "cannot be used without a target" on Smite, how does this work when playing on a controller? does it have auto aim or is the skill just unusable?

[quiet hearth]

you'll autoaim

it can be a little jank, but supposedly they made improvements to controller

[alpine canopy]

Reclaimed action in VR (and worth noting, the node that makes VR non-traversal and halves its cooldown lowers range to 6m max, which is still far enough to proc this)

I mathed it out also, oddly enough for sustained DPS, between 3, 4, and 5 symbol pops, 4 symbols is the lowest DPS one for rares/bosses lol

[turbid dome]

As a bonus they updated a lot of skills gamepad/controller targeting so the game should feel even better for you

I might give controller another shot this season

[alpine canopy]

2 symbols takes far too much CDR to be possible, but it would out-DPS 5 symbol pops if you could actually do it immediately when you get your 2nd symbol
5 symbols barely out-DPSs 3 symbols, and 4 symbols isn't really very far behind anyway, so I think getting the 5th symbol is really not super important (unless we are able to make use of the guaranteed echo, that would be too hard to do in a 3 symbol time span)

[brave prism]

that sounds good, i remember hating using aerial assault with the current auto aim

[turbid dome]

That was pain to try out

[junior wren]

There's various Judgement builds, for example Aura https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRv6_Fa4O5o, if you fix the defenses a little bit is that fast enough for you? 🙂

There are Aberroth kill videos with Javelin, so no need to worry about that.

And Forged Weapons FG can farm pretty fast too

[turbid dome]

Rebuke only abberoth kill let’s go

[grave prairie]

yea the worry i had for Jav was it's defneses but tbh i feel like I just should try to use my brain a bit to fix problems i might un into on that build

[junior wren]

that's the spirit! 😄

[grave prairie]

hell yeah

[turbid dome]

I think spear and shield jav fg will be good

[junior wren]

and there's always holy trail which is compatible with shield paladin

[grave prairie]

might end up playing all of them but on different characters tbh, or just have th Javelin and FG build because I REALLY wanted to play Jav for a long time but it was hard to make it great before

[turbid dome]

Good thing you can mastery respec now to try both on one dude

[grave prairie]

right? 😄

[junior wren]

true 😄

[turbid dome]

[junior wren]

Engi new profile pic, you're a vaal orb now? 😄

[turbid dome]

Free hat is free hat

[umbral breach]

Thanks

[umbral breach]

Paladin one handed + shield also viable with javelin

Could do 2x one hand sword

[junior wren]

thing is, Spears give extra damage to javelin

[umbral breach]

Yes, and depends how you build javelin dot or not dot

[little temple]

Im also gonna play javelin without a spear probably

[umbral breach]

What weapon will you use? I was thinking early on rainbow edge and later probably weavers gift

@little temple

[junior wren]

blasphemy! Javelineer with no pointy stick!

[marble topaz]

There are a lot of good build options with the sentinel rework, but ultimately there are two factors that can’t be ignored: 1) Spinning is winning. 2) Void is cool. Therefore, warpath VK is the only sensible option.

[junior wren]

hmm, when I think of cool factor that can't be ignored, I think of the Paladin Uther from warcraft

[dim narwhal]

erasure strike is gonna be the meta for sure

[junior wren]

I think meta will be the new electrify stuff. Lightning javelins and smiters

oh and time rotters

[dim narwhal]

but erasing strike requires world splitter to work right i think

maxroll already has the guides out

interestingly enough both builds have very similar gear

[junior wren]

I don't think it requires it, it just fits the skill quite a bit

[sharp ibex]

I wanna go Forge Guard Crit Phalanx once I get the items. It's probably not good but i like the feeling of Forge Strike spear doing a big crit

[covert phoenix]

... didn't you just say the same thing three times?

[little temple]

insane single target dps doesnt necessarily mean excellent boss killer 😄

[vernal frigate]

[little temple]

glass canon with 0% movement speed on the dummy wont be doing too good vs uber abby

[arctic tartan]

When I last played Erasing Strike I beelined the harbinger for worldsplitter and managed to become just powerful enough to farm it without having a worldsplitter.

[little temple]

and im nitpicking here, but technically there could be a build that just does a bazillion flat damage without any scaling from gear. So that would be an excellent boss killer but wouldnt scale from gear

[twin folio]

why settle with one spear on vengence use if you can rain death in melee with Siege Barrage

[covert phoenix]

yeah, about that... The same guide doesn't have have a traversal and has "average tankiness", which is content maker speak for "we forgot about the def layers so we pumped armor and max life"

[little temple]

a classic

[junior wren]

which one?

[vale ravine]

HH is a traversal skill

[covert phoenix]

right, mb

[little temple]

but to be fair I kinda struggle to make my time rot VK tanky too. All I can do is 3k health, 5k armor, 2k dodge rating and 60% endurance. I feel so naked without a shield

[vale ravine]

and tbf 50k EHP is imo average tankyness in last epoch when you can have 100-200k lol

[covert phoenix]

you can make regen vessel fairly easily in erasing strike

[little temple]

yeah im sitting at 22kish right now for hits

[sharp ibex]

You make a great point

[vale ravine]

well okay, let's separate. you can have amazing sustain, but will be one shot after a certain corruption level which is way lower than what other top builds can achieve (tho prob you dont wanna go that high anyway but well)

[covert phoenix]

regen vessel is both sustain and EHP tho

[vale ravine]

what's the theoretical max EHP you got on that

[sharp ibex]

And because you're auto casting Javelin thanks to Phalanx you can take strategic patience for 60% more damage for almost no downside because the attack speed doesn't matter

[covert phoenix]

50K EHP one shot vs physical

[vale ravine]

ye so the affixes you put into hp egen could have been HP instead, and you end up at the same place. I got to around 50-55 as well with zero regen and T5 health affixes (no red rings, abby stuff)

[covert phoenix]

I don't think the guide has 50K ehp tho

[twin folio]

yes, I thought about Lunge with the spear nodes on the right > ENGAGE (first Javelin Barrage thrown from Lunge) > Vengeance > Riposte twice (top right node iirc) > death from above

you can also go DEX stacking and use the shield which auto-casts Shield throw on block and gain HP this way... 🤔 possibilities

[covert phoenix]

I would like to see a letool reaching 50K ehp physical with just some armor and T5 life

[little temple]

well we already had a 12k life VK planner posted in here, thats not too far off already 😄

[covert phoenix]

I mean, if you are going full hp idols and life absolutely everwhere, then maybe

[vale ravine]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeNaVq2B
k I mispoke a little bit, one of my hbyrid health is T7 lol. tbh you can go higher i just didnt want to sac all damage

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (88) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 5,284, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 478.7, Regen: 12.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 81 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 57 Vit
▸ Resistances: 105% / 73% / 83% / 74% / 76% / 73% / 73%
▸ EHP: 23,177 / 22,981 / 23,177 / 40,023 / 26,337 / 19,624 / 19,624

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 1,347
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,666)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Mortal Cleave, Void Aegis, Void Essence (3/3)

Used skills:

• Anomaly (20)
• Erasing Strike (24)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Titan Heart
• Siphon of Anguish
• Siphon of Anguish
• Shattered Chains
• Darkstride

[junior wren]

don't tell him about endurance

[covert phoenix]

...is that double T7 enchanted idols?

[sharp ibex]

Oooo I never thought about that. I was thinking of using Shield Bash and Shield Rush to blow up packs with crit

Might be overkill tho

[vale ravine]

no. quadruple kek

but ye

[covert phoenix]

and multiple exalted gear

ok, we weren't talking about the same level of gear in the end

[vale ravine]

i mean i dont know how you build make but i personally plan out the vision, then scale it back on the fly

[clever hazel]

agent000zero described double t7 enchanted affixes as "exceptionally giga ultra super rare" so good luck with that 🤣

[vale ravine]

i do also have literally no fancy DR or abby stuff, so point stands, you can get to 50k+ EHP via multiple ways

[covert phoenix]

LP3 darkstrike and shattered chain, LP 2 world splitter. That's not remotely a realistic gear

[clever hazel]

and looking at physical EHP specifically will kinda warp your perspective on EHP

that mostly just comes down to armor

[little temple]

what do you mean, they fit niceley to my 3lp red rings

[clever hazel]

people aren't getting 50K ehp trivially vs other damage types, and that's usually what you die to

that and DoT

[vale ravine]

i mean, i had them in previous seasons. just play a lot

also i didnt say my planner is realistic and easily achievable, i said possible 😄

[little temple]

dot will be hard nerfed in season 2 though, so we need to wait and see how thats gonna feel

[covert phoenix]

quintuple T7 is also possible

[clever hazel]

I'm pretty sure DoT is still going to be terrifying lol

[little temple]

absolutely, but maybe not as stupid as currently

we also have many new sources of armor applies to dot

[clever hazel]

that new shield is kinda busted IMO

[hallow knoll]

DoT is still gonna suck, it just won't insta gib you as much

[clever hazel]

applying block eff to dots

[covert phoenix]

that's also why I like regen build: They make dots kinda irrelevant to begin with

[little temple]

everyday I wish I could go 2h+shield on VK a little more

[vale ravine]

i would love to see your setup too tho if you wanna share

[sharp ibex]

Love getting a 4LP Hammer of Lorent early into the season.

[covert phoenix]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEk6XvgA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,025, Regen: 1,719.86/s
▸ Mana: 329.24, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 143%, Regen: 604/s
▸ Attributes: 40 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 57 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 69% / 69% / 62% / 78% / 99% / 73%
▸ EHP: 8,112 / 7,981 / 7,981 / 10,765 / 9,297 / 7,066 / 6,927

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 711
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,901)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Vengeance (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Falcon Fists
• Vessel of Strife

[covert phoenix]

(the EHP is obviously missing the ward and vengeance)

[clever hazel]

it doesn't have to be, configure your conditions and set a ward value (edit: and setup your buffs lol)

[vale ravine]

eww, vengeance

[covert phoenix]

vengeance is -40% damage taken and 74% more erasing strike damage

and sustain the mana

the idea is about a surcharged erasing strike every 3s for 60-70M per press

[polar spire]

I think theres a ward calc you can do so you can set your default resting ward, would help a lot with showing the ehp

[covert phoenix]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AvM48p7o the build has 4K ward top

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,025, Regen: 1,719.86/s
▸ Mana: 329.24, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 143%, Regen: 604/s
▸ Attributes: 40 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 57 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 69% / 69% / 62% / 78% / 99% / 73%
▸ EHP: 17,856 / 17,569 / 17,569 / 23,696 / 20,464 / 15,553 / 15,248

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 711
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,901)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Vengeance (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Falcon Fists
• Vessel of Strife

[covert phoenix]

30K/0.6 (from vengeance) = 50K

[polar spire]

Nvm? Is tunklab gone?

I very rarely used it, but i know it had ward calc

[arctic tartan]

Do you get enough Time Rot stacks that fast? I'm seeing like ~160% chance on vengeance

[radiant vortex]

ward decay threshold of 0

[arctic tartan]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/

[hallow knoll]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward is what you're looking for

[polar spire]

Oh lol its just incorporated into the site now

Idk why googling it didnt bring it up for me

[vale ravine]

ye i mean I get the idea im just personally not a fan of conditional defenses and the playstyle, but dont doubt it can be effective
I get sustain from HH instead and just love VC lol

[hallow knoll]

yeah idk, it didn't pop up on google for me either

[covert phoenix]

get abyssal tendrill if it's not enough

and yes, you are supposed to hit 10 times with vengeance + echo, so even 160% should be fine

[vale ravine]

where are you getting void shred from

[covert phoenix]

anomaly

and the damage calculation

off to work now, so good day everyone

[vale ravine]

anyway, I think the mroll build is decent. the only thing i dont get is why they put symbol into every melee VK build

[waxen nymph]

Symbol of Hope ?

[vale ravine]

ye

[waxen nymph]

Flat Dmg + Increase Dmg + DR on demand

Would be my guess

[robust lake]

I'll regret not rolling ES off the bat huh, these numbers are stupid compared to my hammerdin xdd 500k dps gang unite

[vale ravine]

i mean i see the upside, i just never it see it worth vs the opportunity cost but maybe that's just me

[fringe fog]

Hello guys somebody can link me good leveling guide to sentinel into void kinght ?

[vale ravine]

his numbers are not vs level 100 tho take that into account, but ye ES is big dam

[waxen nymph]

Go check Maxroll

[waxen nymph]

Yes this is dummy number
On Empowered Mobs you need to divide by 10 roughly

[vale ravine]

i saved x0.13 in my damage calc sheet but i dont remember the source anymore lol

[radiant vortex]

There really isn't a sentinel build that won't benefit from having Symbol of hope

It does a bit too much for how easy to slap it in is

[fringe fog]

yes but sentinel into paladin , we can reset the mastery class ?

[clever hazel]

karv did say "void knight buffs were too strong" at the start of the last stream, wasn't clear what exactly he meant by that though because he got cut off by mike 🤣

[waxen nymph]

In S2 yes

[fringe fog]

nice and how ?

[little temple]

probably because you can get to 10 million time rot dps

[waxen nymph]

Talk to the Respect Lady

[clever hazel]

I got electrify javelin to 10.66m DPS, probably not as comfy as just applying 12 time rots and chilling though

[vernal frigate]

how are you calculating your dps? 🙏

your own spreadsheet or is there one you can share?

[little temple]

good ol spreadsheet probably

[clever hazel]

very crude python script

[vernal frigate]

oooh nice

i have been looking for the past two days for something, im surprised its this hard to come across one

[arctic tartan]

Anyone got a nice Time Rot build I can copy? 👀 A friend made one but I need some comparisions

[radiant vortex]

dps is based on vibes

we divine it from the bones

[vernal frigate]

think theres one on maxroll? one sec

[vernal frigate]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/time-rot-void-knight-guide

[radiant vortex]

look to the east on the dawn of the launch day and count the birds

[arctic tartan]

Did they fix that one since they pushed it initially? I do not believe in the 8-orb idea the slightest

[vernal frigate]

no idea ive never looked into that specific buiild :(, it says it was last updated on the 12th

wait wtf they are time travelling

[clever hazel]

they have the epoch!

quick, get 'em

[little temple]

1h+shield voidknight.. blasphemy!

[vernal frigate]

indeed.....

[waxen nymph]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QJ99y2rduTlkAMW-1_yIzDBf1tRTnCszFxA7SoiHgSk/edit?usp=sharing

This one is for Hit Only

[radiant vortex]

crafted versions of the void knight set go hard

[waxen nymph]

And is a bit old

I usually do my own excel tbh

[little temple]

vlad, erasing strike specifically says "void beams created by erasing strike"

so probably no

[arctic tartan]

Yeah the more I look at the maxroll guide the more sceptical I am. Especially since I wanna play on controller and having my regular clear relying on sometimes casting orb on an orb and most of the time not sounds tedious as hell

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, I am grasping for air there ^^

[vernal frigate]

yeah i was looking at that one, was the 3rd one i saw and i think i gave up but will try again lol

[vale ravine]

Excel gang

[little temple]

I for sure would test it myself anyway, I never trust a tooltip description

[vale ravine]

lol

[trail mural]

Hey guys! I want to play as a pala/vk in the s2.
Judgement vs erasing strike.
Which feels smoother?

[robust lake]

excel is cheating, true essence lies in notepad

[waxen nymph]

Have to wait for s2 ^^

[little temple]

man just get the gear and count the seconds you need to kill the dummy, ez

[waxen nymph]

Not like this could be my Season Starter 💀

Void Fissure + Void Beams

[little temple]

probably looks really cool but then underperforms. Sounds like a build I would enjoy

[vale ravine]

in the meantime i convinced myself symbols is actually nto that bad lol

comes out to 20%ish more damage so comparable to an abyssal echo, plus the other stuff

[little temple]

symbols is absolutely op with a shield, the block chance alone is worth the whole skill imo

[vale ravine]

oh ye i jsut didnt get it specifically for a 2H void melee build but it is still great for it, just makes the VK tree kinda strapped

uhhh i take it back, 0/8 void blades that's a nono. 0/5 dark maw, 0/8 doom knight, void pen not maxed, yeesh

[little temple]

vk has too many good skills now, I could use like 7 skill slots

[jade copper]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEkwbO9A would this work for cycle start? I feel like idols could be better planned and I'm kinda doubious about body armour and relic

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (63) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,264, Regen: 79.2/s
▸ Mana: 199.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 103 Str / 11 Dex / 3 Int / 8 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 79% / 83% / 93% / 96% / 72% / 74%
▸ EHP: 20,640 / 23,993 / 20,640 / 39,266 / 21,727 / 20,039 / 20,436

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,007
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,475)
▸ Block Chance: 77%, Mitigation: 53% (2,302)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Rive (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Ring Of Shields (22)

Used unique items:

• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Clotho's Needle
• Siphon of Anguish
• Anchor of Oblivion

[sharp ibex]

Ive figured im just throwing ring of shields into my build because i want another defensive layer but i have literally no idea what nodes to take on it, they all seem so unappealing

But for the sake of aesthetic I need to take ring of shields

[mellow willow]

with Nova and 9 projectiles, is it 1.9 more dmg multiplier and 1.9 attack speed multiplier?

[slim spire]

Just take at least the duration nodes & numlock cast it. It gets annoying quick recasting it all the time

[sharp ibex]

Aight bet

[sharp ibex]

I would assume so

[arctic tartan]

WEll 1.8 if you have a total of 9 projectiles

Since it's per extra projectile

[sharp ibex]

Oh true

Sneaky

[mellow willow]

cause volca said its 3x multiplier on bosses, so he assumed doubled projectiles from nova doesnt work

cause then it would be 1.4 * 1.4 * 1.5 = 2.94 multiplier

instead of 1.8 * 1.8 * 1.5 = 4.86

[clever hazel]

that's not an assumption, the alt text specifically says modifiers that double or halve extra projectiles don't do anything for ricochet

[mellow willow]

kk

ye crit javelin siege barrage + unique spear seems to have at least 4x damage of crit hammer throws

from more multipliers alone its at least 3x, assuming u dont use ricochet on hammers

also way more base throwing damage due to spear

[twin folio]

extra block chance is kinda neat, +duration too I guess (bottom left and right?)

[sharp ibex]

The block chance is nice but it's only 4 seconds after casting, which doesn't seem super nice

[robust lake]

I don't think I've seen a single exalted DR% on block in my ~600hrs of sentineling

[sharp ibex]

Considering ring of shields has an 18 sec cool-down

I'm probs wrong

[heady pumice]

What main abilities are good on forge guard? Can you play with something like warpath or should you lean into the abilities that spawn the weapon minions? Like rive/multistrike?

[sharp ibex]

Both are good. What would you WANT to do?

[robust lake]

there's going to be 30 flavors of forge guards in 1.2 idk where to begin even xdd

[heady pumice]

I kinda want to test the new forge guard passive and build arround the new 2h/shield. I like fast clearing builds but i dont really like minions so thats where i am at

[sharp ibex]

You might wanna try out Phalanx when it comes out then, that's what I'm doing

[heady pumice]

What is that?

[sharp ibex]

New 2H unique spear that scales Vengeance damage off of Block Chance and auto casts Javelin when you Riposte

[arctic tartan]

Minions are not The Main Thing™️ so you don't have to use them to play Forge Guard

[sharp ibex]

Me personally I'm gonna go full Crit with it but others were theorying Bleed builds and some other stuff

[coral dawn]

is crit forge strike a thing? Because I may look into that for my start

[sharp ibex]

But yeah to more directly answer your question you can pretty easily make any of the melee skills your 'main skill' and have everything else supplement it

[coral dawn]

either that or default to a beastmaster

[sharp ibex]

I'm thinking of it. Might put it into the Phalanx Build

[heady pumice]

Can you pick paladin and still use 2h/shield?

[coral dawn]

if I play forge strike I want my main damage to be when I slap an enemy with forge strike itself but not sure if I can pull it off in ssf

[sharp ibex]

Nah, the 2H + Shield stuff is right at edge of forge guard tree

[woven temple]

why wouldn't you though? It's not like you can't use cof in ssf

[coral dawn]

I just have not played many sentinels let alone a forge guard

[heady pumice]

Awesome good to know. Have been looking for that info

[coral dawn]

I love CoF though

[sharp ibex]

I made a shoddy version of it with the Stun > DoT damage node once

Just spammed forge strike and stun lock enemies and apply ignite

It kinda sucked ass because I didn't gear properly

[coral dawn]

Was planning to scale it a bit with the sunforged affixes set but going singular craft kind of makes that less valuable

[sharp ibex]

Could be fun

I still can't decide my starter ahhh

Everything i wanna do is with the new uniques and kinda NEEDS them to function

[arctic tartan]

There is no way to force a Riposte right? It'll always depend on an enemy actually hitting you after you vengeanced?

[coral dawn]

but the sunforged scales off of more forged weapons being active so can't go that path fully anyway

Yeah I was looking at heartseeker helmet earlier

and scaling that with oil coatings

but need the helmet to convert heartseeker to a throw skill

[sharp ibex]

AFAIK yes

You just need to get hit :p

[arctic tartan]

I am very good at that tbh

[sharp ibex]

Me Too :D

[arctic tartan]

It's the surviving all those hits that's a bit more of a struggle

[twin folio]

just don't get hit 🤣

[robust lake]

😂

[sharp ibex]

Well hopefully with Vengeance DR and Shield Block and some other bs you can take a lot more hits

[arctic tartan]

Yeah. Still. If your main damage comes from the Javelins you are kinda screwed in some encounters. If it comes from vengeance then the javelins are just a gimmick?

That said I haven't looked too deply into the entire idea. Just looked at Phalanx now that you mentioned it

[sharp ibex]

Ideally it's both really. Phalanx let's you get more damage on Vengeance per block, which is solid, and the javelin stuff is extra dps that just goes off automatically when you're hit

[coral dawn]

I really hope this sunforged set affix idea is going to work. I am planning to level with as close to forge strike as possible so i dont have to do any respecing or skill swapping

[sharp ibex]

I do that too

[coral dawn]

so if this doesnt feel good for progressing I am probably going to jump over to beastmaster

[radiant vortex]

You can 'easily' get 100% block chance and if the more dmg scales above the cap you can meme it quite high

[coral dawn]

still think beastmaster is the only mastery that "forces" me to invest as many points as possible into the beastmaster t ree

[sharp ibex]

Oh hell yeah

[coral dawn]

and i still dont know if that is a W beastmaster design or an L beastmaster design

[sharp ibex]

I have no idea either

[jade copper]

VK is kinda also like that

[coral dawn]

yea

since you get like crit multi out of it

[obsidian tide]

hmmm, why ont using the slab at this point ?

[coral dawn]

not sure what I will play if I go beastmaster though so im just going to pray forge strike progression feels good

[obsidian tide]

I wonder how you get your block chance this high

[radiant vortex]

cos this meme comes from face of the mountain + endurance stackin

[sharp ibex]

Yeah I'm still not sure if i wanna maximise block chance for the meme or take the new Medusa shield thing for the dot reduction

[radiant vortex]

majasa is gonna go hard

randomly stun enemies that look at you / hit you, dot reduction, good effectiveness And it's on Ironglass

[sharp ibex]

Mhm

I'm more than likely taking that shield with the Phalanx build

[radiant vortex]

It's also thematic

https://tenor.com/view/leonidas-fate-shield-spear-ignite-gif-14597706701472871579

[sharp ibex]

I've always wanted to play a man with a big spear and a big shield poking enemies while never buckling under immense pressure

Pretty sweet power fantasy

Thank You EHG i love Phalanx ❤️

[radiant vortex]

I keep flip floppin on do I go for generatin forged weapons or not

[sharp ibex]

I was thinking about that too

At one point i was thinking of taking the node that makes them generate ward

Just for another defensive layer

But decided against it because the crit forge strike node halves ur forged weapon capacity

And I'm taking that no matter what

[radiant vortex]

I have no intention of using forge strike with this <_< if I'm going this hard into stackin vengeance that better clear shit

[sharp ibex]

I'm just taking forge strike as a single target option

Just mega damage i can slam down on the occasional rare

[radiant vortex]

if you could trigger forge strike itself it'd be cool

trigger the spear version, trigger javelin, just rainin spears left n right

hmmm... there's a world where one could spam vengeance with phalanx, use it to trigger divine bolts and javelins when hit that leave holy trail, both scalin from healing effectiveness >_>

and cos iron blades are also melee hits you can just have quite a lot of triggers for divine bolt

[quasi forum]

Are there any Warpath builds aside from the Echo Void Knight one? I'd imagine Warpath would work well with Forge Knight's summons but I'm not sure

[radiant vortex]

it does

multistrike, veng, warpath, hardcast forge strike all work for forge weapons

[waxen nymph]

He confirmed it to me in dm

Beams get More Dmg from Smite

[wise rune]

world splitter smelters wrath with horns of uhkeiros seems like it could be interesting

[elfin warren]

Is there any updated Electrify Javelin or Smite build out there? Haven't seen one so far

[urban hull]

There’s also the ignite version where you stack both ignite and bleed chance that gets converted to ignite as well

[heady pumice]

What is a good healthpool to aim for? 5k?

Im not super experienced in end game gear and how much you should have of each stat. (Experimenting with the character builder atm)

[radiant vortex]

Kind of raises as you go up in corruption, 5k ehp is a good goal

[little temple]

thats really sick, nice

[radiant vortex]

What you generally want is a good chunk of base hp / ward which then scales as long as you've remembered to..

• cap your resists, over by +25% if you can
• be immune to crit (either avoid or dmg negation)
• have recovery (leech, regen, ward/s, etc.)
• stack multiple sources of dmg negation/reduction (endurance, block, parry, dodge, taken as / overtime & so forth)

@heady pumice So just experiment and have fun

[mellow willow]

thoughts that this shield needs a nerf before it even came out?
block was already too strong, and now only weakness which is no dot mitigation is gone
with 4k block effectiveness which is easy to get, its 42% free dot mitigation

on top of that this shield has legendary potential of 40, so super ez to get 2 or 3 lp

like 90% of HC builds will just go block with this shield

at least anyone who seriously wants to complete a race

[rancid lantern]

Tbf most builds dont even cap their res

[radiant vortex]

I honestly don't know why, its not like its hard

[rancid lantern]

greed

:p

[radiant vortex]

your class usually gives you 1-2 res capped for basically free, you can blessing several, so many items with implicit providing half the required

[grand bear]

Pearls of the swine amulet is also pretty nice for res (also an amulet with vitality!)

[rancid lantern]

well tbf sentinel kinda caps most of its res for free, all of them if youre paladin

[radiant vortex]

pearls is disgustingly good stats

[grand bear]

100% plan on using it on void knight

[radiant vortex]

lp of 58 on a bone amulet

might use it on most builds >_>

just free stats at that point with the ridiculous all res, inc dmg, vitality and all attri

[grand bear]

Brewmaster belt on VK should also be nice

[robust lake]

we have 17% on Champion Regalia, 24% on Eternal gauntlets already, so 41% armor applying to dot mitigation with perfect rolls (gl getting those on a decent item lol), and now 35% of block effectiveness as if blocked (in case of having 4k BE its 1400 of however its gonna get calculated) its not as op as it looks honestly

shield says nothing about armor too, dont think we had similar affixes on items until now

[radiant vortex]

with the freedom to choose 1 mod there are so many overtuned uniques in the game that at 1lp alone will outcompete the base exalt you slammed it from

Let alone 2lps

[robust lake]

this shield slaps cuz its on perfect block base and has a free T5 BE thats about it :D nice shield yeah

[mellow willow]

it calculates completely in different way from armor. If you have 5k armor, which is is like 57% mitigation from phys and less t han 40% from non phys, then u take 40% of the percentage, which is like less than 16% for phys and 10% for non phys.

this shield with 4k block effectiveness, is way better even if you had 100% armor applying to dot mitigation

[radiant vortex]

the free stunnin is gonna be funny as well

[mellow willow]

this shield is beyond broken

only weakness of block is now gone

[robust lake]

idk how it works honestly, what if it just absorbs 35% of dot dmg, then its just a wasted line xD

[mellow willow]

and on hardcore any serious racer will just have to go with this to compete

[grand bear]

Also they nerfed dot damage from enemies

[mellow willow]

you take your block effectiveness, like 4k, multiply by 35%, so 1400, which is straight up 42% dr, and apply this to dot

its op

[waxen nymph]

Misread

[mellow willow]

it doesnt even stand close in power to armor applying to dot mitigation

i straight up go forge guard instead of paladin for javelin, just to have spear + shield

the shield is that worth to lose like 40%+ of dps

[robust lake]

we know yet can we put two identical woven echoes into weaver tree?

if not farming this shield is going to be a major pain in the rear, even with its low lpt

[woven temple]

tbh this shield is kinda dumb but maybe dot mitigation will be less important with the overall nerfs to dots. Then again, EHG are known for producing extremely dumb uniques, so that's nothing new

its not as if they were in a hurry to nerf cleaver or wrongwarp or something

[mellow willow]

Would be funny if this shield dropped only on hc only from uber aberoth

Then i would justify thay so broken item exists

[slim spire]

I wonder if this weap is stronger than apathy's maw for forged weapons build

[robust lake]

uber abby gloves is just straight up 30% blanket dr too this ssn gonna be fun

[woven temple]

lol no its a confirmed drop from echo majasa

also listed at 100% on le tools

[mellow willow]

Ye idk

[slim spire]

I cannot recall offhand if there's a way to enable frenzy in forged guard tree

[mellow willow]

Ok then im forge guard crot javelin

[robust lake]

ye its a big bad tomb drop

[heady pumice]

Thanks for the answer! Whats a decent "chunk" of hp and ward? This is what im currently working on. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q92VaZXB

[mellow willow]

X5 dmg of nova hammers

[waxen nymph]

I believe Psojed made the math. In the end Apathy wins
But its still really good

[woven temple]

crotch javelin? bro..

[slim spire]

Cool, thanks

[noble zenith]

Not yet atm

[woven temple]

he ate a dog at this after all

[slim spire]

Pardon?

[waxen nymph]

???

Is that a expression that doesnt translate too well ?

[woven temple]

psojed is "псоед" transliterated, aka dog eater. To eat a dog at something is an idiom meaning "to be an expert" at that thing

[slim spire]

Oh wow

[waxen nymph]

Oh !

[mellow willow]

i asked for shield nerfs and got 3 facepalms in general

[woven temple]

I guess that idiom does not translate directly to English after all

[mellow willow]

idk, its opposite of poe2, like making giga op archetypes is bad as well

[waxen nymph]

Why did you leave #🔱┃sentinel in the first place 😏

[slim spire]

That's good to know lol, I won't get offended

[waxen nymph]

😄

[mellow willow]

zero build diversity in hc, everyone running with majasa shield

to win 5k$

[hallow knoll]

the power creep is looking pretty insane ngl

[woven temple]

lol what else did you expect, next time you could ask on reddit or in the in-game chat

[robust lake]

all prizes gonna be claimed on day 2 tops

[woven temple]

but yeah I agree dumb uniques that don't pass the five seconds test are a staple of this game

[robust lake]

ppl just gonna practice in legacy ezpz

[mellow willow]

so where do i ask for obviously needed nerf to the op as fk item

[woven temple]

and most often they are not addressed at all

[mellow willow]

ask devs

[woven temple]

yea ask devs and they'll tell you, "lol bro we are the ones who made it as is, what do you expect?"

well in less direct terms of course

[robust lake]

if uber abby hits half as hard as normal one rn dot mitigation is least of ur concerns xD

other than that this shield gives 600 block efficiency over a good rolled Ironglass exalted

[slim spire]

I want to go the MG channel to ask about MG stuff, but that channel is a desolate wasteland

[mellow willow]

well it has 40 effective lvl for LP

[slim spire]

So I ask here, why do you guys think mg got the tax nerf?

[mellow willow]

so u can as well see 4lp shields here

ok maybe not 4

but 3 for sure

[waxen nymph]

Will pick up a lot when season start

[hallow knoll]

3LP is very doable

[elfin warren]

Probably going to play Smite VK. What's the best way to level? Only ever did Falcon & Spellblade leveling

[woven temple]

yea and I think you can just buy the majasa echo indefinitely from the vendor so the supply will not be short

[waxen nymph]

Personally Bleed Hammer

[woven temple]

lemme check

[mellow willow]

lol

[robust lake]

ask Olvrin how many times he killed Lagon before he got 4LP Coral Aegis, u'll need around the same amount of Majasa tombs to get a chance at this one

[woven temple]

yea lol you can

[mellow willow]

i don't care i will spam ask devs when they are present to nerf this shield xd

[woven temple]

Can be bought Yes (4000 gold, requires faction rank 10)

[mellow willow]

xdd

[elfin warren]

Until I unlock Void Smite or all the way through campaign?

[robust lake]

and lagon can be accessed by just pressing 4x envys

[woven temple]

at least envies are not literally infinite

[south ledge]

Certainly not the best but I will lvl up VK with erasing strike and the reworked volatile reversal

[woven temple]

gotta farm them first

[mellow willow]

btw made some calculations with more multipliers for nova hammers vs javelin.
assuming 6 projectiles hits, more multipliers together with added effectiveness for javelin, is 67x with optimal tree.
for hammer throw its 16x

and on top of that, javelin can benefit from added flat throwing damage from spear

[south ledge]

And I will definitely give a try for voidmage, new devouring orb looks really fun 😄

[woven temple]

67x, sounds balanced

[mellow willow]

im going bleed hammers for lvling -> nova crit hammers -> respec to javelin forge guard at like 100

[robust lake]

So many builds, so little time. ©

[waxen nymph]

@little temple About Beams

[cold dock]

maxroll says timerot should be very strong, but do we know that math to be actually true?

doesnt sound like it will scale up

[slim spire]

Do you have a letools link for this mythical java build?

[mellow willow]

im maxroll hater, but volca actually makes good builds
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/c174p0ze#2

take this, and swap to forge guard and add new op shield

[slim spire]

Nice, thanks!

[little temple]

well now I see a working beam build

[mellow willow]

but for non HC just stay paladin

its x2 dmg

[waxen nymph]

I know right

I think I found my starter

[robust lake]

volca is a nice guy, glad he's still with us

[mellow willow]

classic reaction

[robust lake]

They've kinda already said they gonna let it be unless there will be abuse case scenarios so yh 🤷‍♂️

until 1.3 that is

[crude yew]

Which shield is this? The Medusa one?

[robust lake]

next ssn its 100% nerfed to either different base or half of current dot%

ye

[crude yew]

Where is that reaction from?

[mellow willow]

i did it on ask devs

[crude yew]

I didn’t even know that people go nuts about that shield already

[mellow willow]

cause it is warranted to go nuts

if we take HC race seriously

and we don't wanna see block sentinel on 100%% of race participants

[slim spire]

Wdym by limiting build diversity? You'll have at least 3 classes then - void knight, paladin & forged guard

[mellow willow]

it also limits sentinel by forcing it to go shield every time

[hallow knoll]

I don't really take hardcore seriously but a lot of people do and this is one of the rare cases where they should definitely nerf something

[shell wedge]

you lose a lot of more multi for time rot if you take that shield tho very sad

[robust lake]

block is only good until you have enough hp to soak the unblocked damage, sentinels are like 3rd on the power ladder rn xd

100% block doesnt save u from normal abby, let that soak in

[mellow willow]

well before with low hp pool and high block, at least you died to dots, so there was downside

now there is no more downsides

[crude yew]

In 1.2 sentinels look pretty good. Who do you see above at the moment?

[robust lake]

rogues, primalists

the classic 🦅 & 🌪️ duo yk

wl is up there too if ure a gamer I guess

[cold dock]

your actually making me curious. wonder if HC timerot could cut the 3pc from set shield and run that instead with jsut 2pc

[slim spire]

Tbh if we start balancing around the 1%, it's not a bad thing. But it's going to be a slippery slope

[mellow willow]

but this shield will be even more accessible on softcore

its just broken not just for 1%

[robust lake]

we don't even know how accessible it is, what if that Tomb drops like Red Ring does rn xD

[mellow willow]

.

very accessible

[robust lake]

Tomb and Brink are the only two wovens that give 2 passive points instead of 1, which leads me to believe its going to be somewhat rare

[slim spire]

Faction Rank 10 is not an early game thing, but idk really

[mellow willow]

why afraid of nerfs tho

[robust lake]

poe2 ptsd

[mellow willow]

like if you have item that makes archetypes that can't use it just bad in comparison, nerf it hard

especially if its not yet in game

[slim spire]

People generally hate nerfs, not saying that it's warranted ofc

[slim spire]

Sure, theoretically. But we don't know yet if it works like that in practice

[mellow willow]

there isnt a lot of room for interpretation

[slim spire]

Who knows, maybe there's some resistance, immunity, cooldown, etc etc

[mellow willow]

its not even in the game, now its best time to nerf it

[junior wren]

I've been discovered 😄

[junior wren]

@slim spire I did the math, but I didn't account for having Frenzy uptime. If you can somehow keep Frenzy active, it would beat Apathy

and new VR gives Frenzy

[robust lake]

1 second of it

[junior wren]

3 seconds, you can extend the combo

BUT, another thing to account for is DOOM. Err... I mean, Doom, the ailment

[robust lake]

kinda glad the combo stayed, very useful to dot up that dragon mf then hop out of his aoe real quick

[slim spire]

Oh that's pretty cool. Can you have parry & block at the same time?

[crude yew]

Honest question as I haven’t looked too deeply into new uniques yet: are we absolutely certain that it’s so broken without having seen it perform in game?

[junior wren]

yeah you can, they don't limit each other

[clever hazel]

that's kinda funny tbh

[robust lake]

😏 offline testers will tell you on 17th

[clever hazel]

it makes sense from a game design perspective but doesn't make sense at all in a "how would that actually work" sense

block AND parry the same attack! (parrying still counts as being hit and doesn't negate damage over time, so with that majasa shield you could parry an attack and then further reduce the damage with block effectiveness)

[robust lake]

I sincerely hope uber abby oneshots anything below 200k ehp so ppl have a reason to whine

[slim spire]

That's so nice

[mellow willow]

yes. there isn't really a room for interpretation. so like u have 4k block effectiveness (very easy to get), 35% of this is 1400. so u have 42% dot mitigation.
Also this item has 40 effective level for LP, so 3 LP shields will be quite common

[slim spire]

Why wouldn't it not make sense? You have 2 hands right 🤣

[junior wren]

it makes perfect sense. Parry goes first. If you parry, damage = 0, done.
If Parry fails (you couldn't reposition your weapon to deflect the blow fast enough), you try to deflect it with your shield.

[slim spire]

Oh yeah what psojed said

[robust lake]

it cant be common unless those 2 woven echos out of 8 boss ones drop like eyes currently do rn

[mellow willow]

also best base with 35% block chance and l ike 1k+ block effectiveness before even any LP, with added bonus of petrify

[slim spire]

Articulates it better than me

[clever hazel]

nah, I mean the two mechanics can just straight up overlap, because parried hits still count as being hit

[slim spire]

Imagine it as blocking with shield and parrying with sword at the same time then

[robust lake]

petrify is just cosmetic too, how often are you going to proc 0.8% petrify on 1minute boss fights?

[clever hazel]

even though the hit deals 0 damage, you can still be affected by ailments and stuff, which can be reduced by block effectiveness (with the new majasa shield), which implies you're somehow blocking and parrying simultaneously

[junior wren]

no, you keep thinking of "blocking and parrying at the same time", but those two things don't happen at the same time

There's an order of things

[crude yew]

Sounds good to me. Fair and balanced

[junior wren]

Okay. Let's say a cursed sword hits you. You parry the blow, but making contact makes the evil curse spread to you.
But thanks to your magical shield, the effect of the curse is weaker than it would normally be.

[clever hazel]

layers of defense, like an onion

[junior wren]

applying this scenario to my explanation, you Parried the blow, so Block didn't happen. Order of things - checks out.
And the ailment reduction happens afterwards 🙂

If the attack isn't a HIT, you can't parry it, so you can imagine it as standing in a void pool, and your magic shield again does its magic 😄

[robust lake]

u tellin me we can facetank frosty spires now

like all three of them, while not running 5k regen per second build

[junior wren]

Afaik you could do it before too

[robust lake]

are they even a dot, they might be hit, idk too rusty

[junior wren]

but there's way more DPS bois than tanky bois on youtube, so there's probably no video of it

[junior wren]

is it named wengari spire?

[robust lake]

yeeah

[junior wren]

yeah that's a dot

[clever hazel]

spires are changing pretty significantly aren't they

[junior wren]

no more bombardment

[robust lake]

[clever hazel]

no more off-screen nonsense, new guardian mob near them

[junior wren]

they only start firing once you engage the guardian iirc

[robust lake]

might actually try hc if thats the case, they were the reason #1 havent touched it in years lol

[junior wren]

but what about uber Abby

[robust lake]

I'll live vicariously through global chat announcements lmao aint burying my pally after all the grind

[junior wren]

hehe

[robust lake]

maybe gonna level a second one to try it out with another set of gear we'll see

[mellow willow]

i tried hc yesterday. got crash, finished campaign, and 1 hour later i realised i lost HC tag during that crash

[robust lake]

huh

[safe oasis]

hmmm, wondering if there's a decent way to do ring of shields ricochet lava burst in 1.2

[robust lake]

well yeh playing hc on first weekend gonna be big scare gaming

[junior wren]

yesterday I went online for like 10 minutes to test some Judgement things, then later the same day I wanted to try something else, and LE said its data was corrupted and tried to boot me into full offline and getting stuck in the process

[waxen nymph]

But you cant have scorpion on Sentinel Cook

[junior wren]

had to manually go delete a 500MB file and redownload it to play 😄

[safe oasis]

rofl

just cos i can't eat it doesn't mean i can't cook

[robust lake]

holup what were u eatin' if ur scorpi still there and kickin

[waxen nymph]

But yes

ST Lava Burst and RoS looks really nice

Ignite seems way better now

[lilac sparrow]

is apotrophy gloves good for dot build?

[junior wren]

yes, penetration is good

[lilac sparrow]

along with forgotten knight set right?

i plan to use shield and amulet

[junior wren]

yeah the setbonus is also good

[slim spire]

How does set bonus work in 1.2? Do you get some random affixes with them?

Set shards*

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/set-affixes

Set shards are predetermined

[queen glade]

What doesnt quite make sense to me is do you only need one affix then, for the complete set effect?

[hidden dock]

and sadly most of the real fun/intersting effect (or just hte +levels) are not allowed

no

you need all of them

each set gives a different affix for each slot

[jade copper]

Anyone got siege barrage + divine fury javelin build?

[lilac sparrow]

not all

[hidden dock]

and you need all slots using the affix shards (or the og set piece)

[lilac sparrow]

minimum is 2 pieces

depends on what you aim for

[hidden dock]

He said "complete"

[clever hazel]

Are you looking for electrify or hit based / dex stacking?

[bleak bone]

which one would work better? (only difference is weapon)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3p9KzyA
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbD4349o

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (15) / Forge Guard (46) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,486, Regen: 39/s
▸ Mana: 211.13, Regen: 15.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 44 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 74% / 101% / 80% / 105% / 65% / 109%
▸ EHP: 10,623 / 10,517 / 10,623 / 20,356 / 11,182 / 9,657 / 10,623

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 52%, Threshold: 624
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,607)
▸ Block Chance: 53%, Mitigation: 46% (1,731)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (3/3,Passive), Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Smite (20)
• Devouring Orb (20)
• Forge Strike (27)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Vortex Pennant

[lilac sparrow]

then its all

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (15) / Forge Guard (46) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,486, Regen: 39/s
▸ Mana: 211.13, Regen: 15.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 44 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 74% / 101% / 80% / 105% / 65% / 109%
▸ EHP: 10,623 / 10,517 / 10,623 / 20,356 / 11,182 / 9,657 / 10,623

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 52%, Threshold: 624
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,607)
▸ Block Chance: 53%, Mitigation: 46% (1,731)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (3/3,Passive), Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Smite (20)
• Devouring Orb (20)
• Forge Strike (27)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Vortex Pennant

[jade copper]

Not sure which one tbh

[clever hazel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2GenRDQ (updated) is my current Electrify Javelin build. IDK why I asked that; I don't have a planner for the other one, lol.

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (25) / Paladin (63)

General:

▸ Health: 5,521, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 197.69, Regen: 12.7/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 54 Str / 15 Dex / 11 Int / 11 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 116% / 122% / 74% / 78% / 79% / 94%
▸ EHP: 18,521 / 18,521 / 18,521 / 30,857 / 19,496 / 18,521 / 18,521

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,248
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,590)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Swiftness, Tu'rani's Thunder (10), Divine Essence (3/3), Frenzy, Haste, Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (4/4,Passive), Water Orb (9/9)

Used skills:

• Smite (24)
• Javelin (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Tu'rani's Bident
• Grasp of the Blood Mage
• Elecoe's Innovation
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Bleeding Heart
• Ucenui's Sphere
• Razorfall

[clever hazel]

should do ~10.66m DPS if my math is correct

[queen glade]

Ah weird, I'm seeing all these planners where they just use 1 part.. and then in the slots it requires use items that can't have that affix so it's a bit confusing lol.

Thanks tho

[robust lake]

I see 🦀 I 🦀

[jade copper]

Void bolts are for bosses? Or do they have enought range for javelin

[noble zenith]

you just have nothing more interesting to take in volatile reversile i believe

[clever hazel]

Void Bolts from VR will hit tons of mobs while clearing and they make enemies take 15% increased Damage over Time via Time Rifts

debuff lasts 12 seconds

[noble zenith]

mostly for the debuff

[clever hazel]

you also get some mana back from void bolts with Voidstep Siphon

[jade copper]

Maybe 2 less points in dot dmg amp duration for longer frenzy

[clever hazel]

you can't increase the frenzy duration at all

it has a fixed duration based on your ability to travel back in time

[jade copper]

So temporal dilation should work

[clever hazel]

and you don't want to increase that ability to travel back in time because it's your movement skill lol, you want to travel forwards

[jade copper]

Ah true

Wait

[noble zenith]

i wonder if its that worth it

[jade copper]

But douesn't cd start with first cast?

[noble zenith]

i took it too in my planner but idk

[clever hazel]

yes, and you get enough cooldown recovery speed for it to come off cooldown in under 3 seconds

[jade copper]

Right

[clever hazel]

which is faster than the baseline travel back in time recast mechanic

so increasing that travel back in time window will either do nothing, or be actively detrimental depending on how EHG implemented it

[jade copper]

I wonder if anchored timeline is worth

But it may create mana problems

[lilac sparrow]

looks good with multiple bolts node and you play spell void caster

[noble zenith]

will it work ?

[clever hazel]

if you take immutable past you lose frenzy from VR

it's an option sure

[noble zenith]

well, we're talking about of javelin electrify, so the voidbolt wont make that much dmg, that why i believe its not worth taking

[noble zenith]

yeah that the big issue

but since we have a lot of recovery speed for movement, that might be really smooth tho

[clever hazel]

I just took returning corruption for the return void bolts because it doesn't significantly increase the mana cost, maybe triggers voidstep siphon again, and is a very very tiny DPS increase

[grand bear]

Was planning on using it at least

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6gzYq0Q

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,787, Regen: 81.2/s
▸ Mana: 311.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 10 Att / 88 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 88% / 88% / 82% / 73% / 130% / 104%
▸ EHP: 15,182 / 15,182 / 15,182 / 25,297 / 17,104 / 13,259 / 13,259

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,572
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,526)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, DoT, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Void Essence (3/3), Symbols of Hope (4/4,Passive)

Used skills:

• Abyssal Echoes (22)
• Devouring Orb (26)
• Volatile Reversal (23)
• Symbols of Hope (22)
• Anomaly (22)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Omnividence
• Brewmaster's Buckle

[clever hazel]

if you drop it I'd put another point in dissipation for the slow probably

[jade copper]

I'd take second forward jump rather than this

But didn't run how much cd it would have

[noble zenith]

yeah but the thing is its just the volatile reversale hit that slow, not the void bolt?

[grand bear]

I think you get slightly faster rates not doing second jump

[clever hazel]

idk, maybe? not really sure how the subskill would work here

[grand bear]

Was getting just shy of a 1 second cd

[noble zenith]

the second jump require 4 pts in it and increase quite a lot the cd, but you keep frenzy buff, need to test both tbh

[jade copper]

No frenzy buff

[noble zenith]

ah no

mb

[jade copper]

It shouldn't work

[noble zenith]

you lose frenzy for both

i think the best will just to have a 3sec cd volatile and keep the frenzy buff

i'm sad we cant use this gloves

[jade copper]

I wonder if decreasing cd reduces recast time

[robust lake]

sheesh lp on them is so rare :( they might contend with eternals now with Majasa shield

[noble zenith]

since its 3sec in the tooltip i'm pretty sure its fix

[noble zenith]

yeah but LP2 is decent enough ( atleast for my build ) since they had all the stats i needed, fuk this passives

[jade copper]

Tbh I'd say we'll ned to wait for recast timer to finish before we can cast as in it will come of cd in bacground

[clever hazel]

I asked in the dev channel and never got an answer, probably too annoying / requires too much setup for devs to quickly test and see what happens if the cooldown is shorter than the base recast time

[noble zenith]

what happen if we have 100% recovery speed?

since its possible

[clever hazel]

100% recovery speed is half cooldown

[noble zenith]

then for volatile it should be perfect no? since that mean the cd would be 3sec

[clever hazel]

yeah, but you can get significantly faster cooldown resets than that lol

like >130% cooldown recovery speed is possible, plus the experimental belt affix that subtracts from the cooldown in flat chunks

[noble zenith]

yeah but even without having any affix on items we can have 100%

[clever hazel]

idk how you'd manage that

there's 30% from a passive and 20% from the VR skill tree

[noble zenith]

this but, well

[clever hazel]

that's not cooldown recovery speed

[noble zenith]

will nerf quite a bit our volatile

[clever hazel]

it's just a straight 50% less cooldown multiplier

[noble zenith]

oh mb

cant read

[clever hazel]

and I guess they had to test ultra fast cooldown VR because of that node, right lol

it probably does squish the recast window down

would be ridiculous if it didn't when you can hit a 2.5sec VR cooldown on a naked character just via the skill tree

[jade copper]

I bet that's why we have removed second cast node

[analog steppe]

Idk what seems so difficult to understand, the most likely result is the recast window staying up for the full 3 seconds regardless of the cooldown time

[jade copper]

If there is no recast then we can easily cast VR on cd

[clever hazel]

it's a completely new effect (cooldown recovering while recast is available) and there's absolutely no reason to assume one implementation is more likely than the other

[cloud relic]

any good warpath build ready for s2?

[hidden dock]

Yes

[clever hazel]

all the other combo skills I'm aware of don't start recovering their cooldown until after you use the "recast" / finish the combo, so there's nothing to compare against atm

[noble zenith]

in my opinion it will be a fix 3sec too but i really hope its not

[analog steppe]

You have to assume something until either testing or dev knowledge, and it’s fair to assume the simplest implementation until such a time

[noble zenith]

being able to have a 1.5/2sec volatile and spam it might be fun, being locked in a 3sec recast isnt

[clever hazel]

I think the skill coming off cooldown and you being able to teleport further ahead in time immediately sounds simpler than the alternative

from a "how would I implement this if I was making my own game" perspective

[jade copper]

It's better to asume worst case for this idea so flat 3s recast

[analog steppe]

But how it’s implemented in game is known for other recasts without the early cooldown start

It literally replaces your skill on the bar with the recast skill

[clever hazel]

yes, and those skills literally don't start their cooldown until you finish using the combo, meaning you can't directly translate information like that

you might as well be trying to compare game mechanics across games

[analog steppe]

The original skill can go off cooldown during this time but the recast is still sitting on your bar until either A) you cast it or B) it times out

At least that’s the interpretation I’ll be sticking with until knowledge otherwise comes out