old news. You can get dungeons uniques outside of dungeons now
#🔱┃sentinel
junior wren
gusty abyss
Between rune, prophecies and now weaver tree, getting any unique non lp is really just a matter of playing the game
junior wren
going back to sentinel stuff, does anyone have a consecration aura spreadsheet handy? I'm curious how much DPS is it now with the buff to consecration aura
polar spire
going back to sentinel stuff, does anyone have a consecration aura spreadsheet h...
before the buff and after the nerfs, i remember people getting up to 300k dps on pure aura builds
so i guess higher than that now?
viral onyx
🫡
queen glade
Idk man COF looks so juicy now with the LP masher web
solid pike
i have a question my friends:
1st: If my elecrify does 435 base damage does the lightning dot stat which is 889%, Does it that increase the dot damage or am i reading it wrong and it is 435 dmg based on that 889% lightning dmg dot?
2nd: Am i understanding this right?
Divine fury splits into 8 spears if fully maxed, If i do two points so it creates 4 spears and use Siege barrage which throws 4 javelins, do i then get 4 spears every javelin so 16 in total?
robust lake
if 435 is base then 889% of that is 3867, splits are dex dependant
if we're talkin about sierpin
junior wren
i have a question my friends:
1st: If my elecrify does 435 base damage does t...
44 base damage * (1 + 8.89) = 435,16
ionic spade
^
junior wren
pretty sure we saw the answer to 2) in the EHG videos
polar spire
ya know i just realized
solid pike
pretty sure we saw the answer to 2) in the EHG videos
Really, i missed it, which one was it?
ionic spade
though you will also need to calculate lightning pen which can be very confusing
polar spire
symbol costs 45 mana, +50% from shield, and i take 250% of that mana cost as self damage when it it auto casts
i guess the ring manages some of that
solid pike
though you will also need to calculate lightning pen which can be very confusing
ah it already is, First time making a build to play with 🙂
robust lake
the better it gonna feel when it all comes together :)
mellow willow
can't wait for all the hc judgement paladins trying to outregen the uber aberoth
solid pike
the better it gonna feel when it all comes together :)
lets hope so!
swift sorrel
symbol costs 45 mana, +50% from shield, and i take 250% of that mana cost as sel...
Symbol only costs 30 though, I think you're counting the shield twice
polar spire
Symbol only costs 30 though, I think you're counting the shield twice
wait a second, did dammitt fix le tools to auto apply my shield to spells!?
solid pike
Can a DOT crit?
junior wren
Really, i missed it, which one was it?
ionic spade
no dot's cant crit
solid pike
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwFHzzz6zBE&t=3287s>
ty
polar spire
well he did for symbols at least
solid pike
no dot's cant crit
ty!
swift sorrel
I was calcing, with max rolls on all the symbol gain stuff I'm getting to 1 every 0.7 seconds
eager carbon
imagine critting this
little temple
well he did for symbols at least
Doesnt Symbols have a giant CD now?
swift sorrel
Divine Flare + Orian's Ring is 80% reduced cooldown twice
junior wren
oh no, another gamer jebaited by witchfire
arctic tartan
Hol up. Is the ring 20-30% or 70-80% cd?
arctic tartan
I am not sure how to interpret "consuming cd/mana"
swift sorrel
Hol up. Is the ring 20-30% or 70-80% cd?
The cooldown is 70-80, but the gain rate is 20-40
swift sorrel
Wait, I read that wrong: since it "consumes" 80% of the cooldown, that's 80% of the seconds of cooldown
arctic tartan
Okay, that's what I initially thought too
junior wren
decent FG builds include:
Forged weapons minion build
Manifest Armor + Shield Throw minion build
Shield Throw spam build
Siege Barrage Javelin build
Bleed Hammer Throw build
Forge Strike spam build (generator/spender gameplay)
and probably many others
@cold dock
ripe cargo
Do we have any idea how avatar of the spire and ricochet interact?
swift sorrel
Which leaves the cooldown at about 0.08 seconds
Way below the symbol gain rate
Wait no
I'm dumb
arctic tartan
You start with 18s. You get 80% reduced from tree. 30% on top from ring. 50% increased recovery rate from tree.
arctic tartan
that 18 * 0.2 * 0.7 * 1/1.5 ?
swift sorrel
Oh, forgot about recovery rate
valid orchid
If I'm playing void knight with the "attack have chance to echo"-mechanic, and I have a buff that gives me something for the next attack only, say added melee damage, when I do a melee attack, and that echoes, does the echo benefit from that buff? Or the echo is treated as a completely independent attack?
arctic tartan
1.62s baseline CD before gear?
swift sorrel
You start with 18s. You get 80% reduced from tree. 30% on top from ring. 50% inc...
Where are you getting the 30 from ring?
arctic tartan
70% "consumed" cooldown ends up being 30% cooldown reduction. I think.
swift sorrel
Yes, so it should be *0.3, not 0.7, right?
rancid lantern
so i'm cooking a judgement build. Is unarmed judgement the way to go or is that cooked
hard to say how it compares to just running a weapon
arctic tartan
Fixed the phrasing for how I interpreted it
robust lake
unarmed HoJ is an old build, Amadora is cookin' something wild but its all theory until thursday anyway xD
junior wren
that 18 * 0.2 * 0.7 * 1/1.5 ?
that's not how cooldown math works
ionic spade
hit based judgement, was unarmed, but the aoe dot uses weapon
arctic tartan
How does it work?
swift sorrel
Fixed the phrasing for how I interpreted it
But why? If we ignore the tree, "consuming" 80% of the 18 second cooldown should be 14.4 seconds consumed
junior wren
or wait, you said cooldown reduction. does the tree actually say "reduced"
arctic tartan
The consuming phrasing on the ring leaves me entirely baffled. From what I can see it's the only time this phrasing is used and I have no idea if it means that the skill ends up with 70% or 30% cd.
junior wren
I checked, flare says reduced, so you were correct it's 18 * 0.2. The ring doesn't say reduced, but it says it "consumes" 70% of the normal cooldown, so that should mean 3.6 * 0.7, so your math was actually right
arctic tartan
Like if we just look at the sentence regarding mana we have a clear "consumed 70% of its mana cost". That makes sense.
junior wren
i think that makes flare a new potential BONK skill
arctic tartan
Which results in a 30% mana cost reduction. If we assume that the roll scales linearly the lower it is (70% being the best roll), then we get the 30% cdr.
arctic tartan
That'd be 1.32s final CD with both 20% rolls
But how do we get big added fire damage to spells to make use if the 350% damage effectiveness?
swift sorrel
i think that makes flare a new potential BONK skill
Flare doesn't inherit stats from other attacks, does it?
gusty abyss
I dont think you will want cdrs for flare
polar spire
how much poison resist do you want above cap again?
gusty abyss
I think you will want a lot of hits to get enough symbols
junior wren
that 18 * 0.2 * 0.7 * 1/1.5 ?
as for the final part of the math, it should be 2.52 / (1 + 0.5) because that part is "increased cooldown recovery speed". But I can't seem to find the source, curiously neither game guide nor maxroll have cooldown speed or I'm blind 🤔
arctic tartan
That's just the same as I wrote but condensed
junior wren
Flare doesn't inherit stats from other attacks, does it?
no most attacks don't affect other attacks
arctic tartan
18 * 0.2 * 0.7 * 1/1.5 = 2.52 * 1/1.5 = 2.52 / (1 + 0.5)
polar spire
i hate what im doing right now, find me skills and items that gain damage with overcapped/uncapped resists, i cant remember them all
junior wren
18 * 0.2 * 0.7 * 1/1.5 = 2.52 * 1/1.5 = 2.52 / (1 + 0.5)
yes, I already said your math was correct 🙂 I just wanted to finish the line of thought and then I couldn't find the source.
arctic tartan
As for the math I figured "100% cooldown recovery speed" means you cast twice as much and extrapolated from there
swift sorrel
i hate what im doing right now, find me skills and items that gain damage with o...
Is this for the endurance threshold Paladin node?
polar spire
Is this for the endurance threshold Paladin node?
yes lmao
also, im very tempted to chuck gaspar's on a scepter, just for the giggles
junior wren
chuck on null portent for %DR
polar spire
im using urzil's for super mana regen
robust lake
@polar spire Crest of Unity, Dragorath's Claw, Malatros, Torkrefin uhh
polar spire
torks is phys
robust lake
🫣 its progressing...
polar spire
so im cranking threshold up to like 80% of max health
austere lily
Quick question with my build planning so far. Does the "lingering memory" node of Anomaly work on yourself once the bubble runs out of duration and the effects lingers on your character for 2 extra seconds? (for 7 seconds total up from 5 seconds base?)
eager carbon
yes
eager carbon
you don't need it though, with some cdr investment you can keep it up on demand
austere lily
yeah, just planning around the early game and expecting mana issues
trying to see how to go around it
eager carbon
you have void essences with void well you should be fine
austere lily
I was not speccing into or thinking about that as an early mana solution 🤔 I'll have to think on that, cheers m8
eager carbon
its 2 points
there are several ways of gaining them now, not limited to just the vk tree
DOrb has them, VR, ES
junior wren
I wish I had them on Paladin 😄
austere lily
would the 2 points sustain the mana requirements with just a 12% on kill and 4% boss hit. I guess I could generate them with volatile reversal as well
gusty abyss
Hey, at least we now get them on hit for every VK, instead of just ES
arctic tartan
Nah, you want other sources of them
austere lily
DOrb has them, VR, ES
I forgot about the Dorb node
arctic tartan
Well, depending on how fast you go through your mana
eager carbon
yes, void well is very good since it sets your mana to 30% of max, not adding mana based on that percent
with 200-300 mana you will most likely always have enough mana to generate 3 again
and sentinel already has 102 mana at lvl 100 with no items and passives
arctic tartan
Looking at you, ES, eating through 90 (ish) mana with one cast
austere lily
awsesome, think you just helped me solve my mid game mana generation without much thought investment 👍
cheers kresh
polar spire
aight my brain fizzled out trying to set this up
robust lake
mine was stir fried since yesterday
eager carbon
yes but ES will cover half/full screen and it generates essences on each kill since you are most likely crit capped or use the void cleave node
with ES you are always on max essences
robust lake
and u reset cds if u finish things off with Lunge
and Paranoia got lpt reduced so akshually farmable 2lp now 
eager carbon
what lunge my man, you use void cleave to traverse
polar spire
wait a second
robust lake
lunge to execute 15% things, reset echos and traverse 🧠
robust lake
not again lolol
polar spire
righteous shield rush
waxen nymph
its desync time
Nah its been fixed 🤞
polar spire
Nah its been fixed 🤞
shut
robust lake
the copium tanker is leaking xdd
eager carbon
you are melee, 15% execute works at 10m, thats 2.5 the range of bastion and "nearby"
what nonsense are you talking about
polar spire
technically, if you have a logitech g502 and make a mouse macro to spam a skill at around 400ms, you can remove half the desync, thats worked the best for me
hallow knoll
I did that too with my g502, felt mostly fine
robust lake
with 90%+ ms popping at 10m distance is not that bad
polar spire
i can run spell HH on shield rush
radiant vortex
well, the vengenance is hittin now, just on paper it might play like molasses but the concepts down
robust lake
with ward bars gone from mages and nems its prolly irrelevant tho yh
polar spire
well, the vengenance is hittin now, just on paper it might play like molasses bu...
did you know that the iron blade in vengeance counts as a melee hit/attack, and if you run the 2h sword Volcanus, the magma shards can proc off the iron blades?
radiant vortex
with ward bars gone from mages and nems its prolly irrelevant tho yh
are you gonna stack mages in echoes, lizards everywhere or champions in arena
thats the question
gusty abyss
champions on mages? 😄
radiant vortex
did you know that the iron blade in vengeance counts as a melee hit/attack, and ...
I did not, luckily can't dual wield two 2h yet
polar spire
im gonna put random shade of orobyss spawns in my mono's to scare my friends shitless
robust lake
yh I got a tree for super arenas and champs and stuff 👍
radiant vortex
arenas being made quicker AND we get to remove 2 waves?
polar spire
yh I got a tree for super arenas and champs and stuff 👍
im making a stupid arena javelin build right now
radiant vortex
Lookin GIGA
gusty abyss
arena is not a reward type
radiant vortex
im making a stupid arena javelin build right now
debatin if my triggered javelin should be lightnin chainin or fire trailin
or why not both >_>
robust lake
do cemeteries and tombs work like vaal side zones in poe or something? hows that gonna work in arenas 🤔
polar spire
im doing something very stupid with "king of the hill" arena javelin
robust lake
😡 ehg we need to talk
polar spire
radiant vortex
but they're making arenas kind of juicy af
hallow knoll
arenas look crazy good now
scenic gyro
what does a juiced arena do
hallow knoll
I was gonna remove them but then they made them seem insane now
radiant vortex
im doing something very stupid with "king of the hill" arena javelin
so just endurance stackin to the moon n back lmao
3 year duration kills in one tic tho
polar spire
so just endurance stackin to the moon n back lmao
those boots are how i achieve 180k ehp on rogue
robust lake
bleed duration is out of the cracker this season, that node takes it way over the top, even with 450 bleeds per tick nothings gonna live long enough
spiral sedge
Anyone thinking about a str stacking forge guard with the besr set? Or seen anything similar?
polar spire
bleed duration is out of the cracker this season, that node takes it way over th...
if i can squeeze in abyssal echoes, then i can pop the bleeds if a boss gets too close to me
robust lake
Cleaver solution is ur friend, sort by that thing and ull find many interesting stuffs :D
tradeoff is having 487% bleed chance with maxxed cracked setup
radiant vortex
do you get both with these or only one
polar spire
do you get both with these or only one
thats on forge, im doing this on paladin
radiant vortex
yeah I'm askin cos I'm on forge
robust lake
xdd
polar spire
cant do mountain boots with iron reflexes, unless you just do 4/5
radiant vortex
okay shame :(
polar spire
ooooo wait i can cook mountain helm into this and make it crit/bleed hybrid
oh shit its all uniques
radiant vortex
ama gonna sit inside the mountain for a week
emerges fully kitted out and onetaps uber ab
eager carbon
don't switch ideas now
polar spire
screw that
eager carbon
finish the divine flare
jade copper
Anyone got Rive FG build I could tak a look at?
polar spire
im technically running this sorta kinda righteous fire? lmao
its just not a mobile righteous fire
i have threshold at like 85% of my health, so if anything does lower me down, i'll shoot back up into 100%
radiant vortex
stand still things die why need to move
obsidian tide
Landing a crit doesn't change damage from ailments, right ?
obsidian tide
like paladin's more damage per 2 crit multiplier, but this one specifically doesn't actually need to crit either
polar spire
like paladin's more damage per 2 crit multiplier, but this one specifically does...
yea i made a build on that
obsidian tide
so I can stack crit multi without caring to crit
polar spire
think its at like 3700% lightning dot damage
little temple
cant do mountain boots with iron reflexes, unless you just do 4/5
You can. Boots win over passive
polar spire
You can. Boots win over passive
if that were the case it'd win against rogues glancing change
which it does
doesnt*
little temple
I use both on my FG javelin build right now
little temple
It gives armor while running and endurance while standing still
Well just give it a try, its super easy to test for you
little temple
One is conversion the other is 100% less dodge
radiant vortex
like paladin's more damage per 2 crit multiplier, but this one specifically does...
it was the same on torment for warlock yeah
radiant vortex
You can. Boots win over passive
oh damn dex stack FG lets go
crude matrixBOT
radiant vortex
good ol volatile
little temple
It covers all your life with endurance
radiant vortex
how does sierpin work with divine fury
polar spire
It covers all your life with endurance
yup, one of my favorite items to use back when i did health regen shattered lance werebear and face tanked T4 julra
just eat her nukes for breakfast
dont need to shift timelines
waxen nymph
how does sierpin work with divine fury
You mean with Siège Barrage?
polar spire
sierpin has a cooked in physical based divine fury
unless you're trying to divine fury it for even MORE forking
timid fable
I could use some feedback on how I plan to make my Forge Guard at the start of the season. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKlvaXvQ
crude matrixBOT
radiant vortex
yeah I'm wonderin if you could have both going or does only one trigger
waxen nymph
You can have both
little temple
sierpin has a cooked in physical based divine fury
No pierce though
waxen nymph
But meh
radiant vortex
I assume it works with barrage as stated: just more aoe
polar spire
No pierce though
neither pierces
little temple
it does
polar spire
honestly if sierpin and divine fury work together, that'd be quite the screen clusterfuck
timid fable
I could use some feedback on how I plan to make my Forge Guard at the start of t...
The idea is to do as much phys damage as possible and stack as much ignite as possible to do more phys pen.
little temple
Divine fury javelins pierce
timid fable
And then I decided to aim for an Obsidian Axe because it has an implicit increased phys damage, so I can roll flat damage and attack speed, and benefit from the node that doubles increased, flat, and ailment chance.
little temple
Oh, I misread this on sierpens
radiant vortex
hmmm javelin is so neat but end of the day I think I'm better off with some good ol forge strikin
polar spire
why not both
little temple
Im going VK javelin
polar spire
vk javelin sierpin divine fury?
just cluster the screen
lag the game out
play in a group
crash everyones pc's
god sierpin divine fury just sounds like the new lightning spear on huntress in poe2
radiant vortex
why not both
I mean Iron blade can trigger it <_<
polar spire
I mean Iron blade can trigger it <_<
im confused now
radiant vortex
vengeabnce spear -> iron blade -> triggers forged weapon
radiant vortex
yeah and I meant to say trigger forge weapon
cos I kind of wanna go do some proper AW shenanigans
hallow knoll
divine fury + siege barrage reminds me of lightning spear with volt ngl
the mana sustain is gonna be annoying though
polar spire
sierpin + divine fury + irritating my group by filling their screen = profit?
radiant vortex
insane lp on this
wanton sky
Any1 know what 2hander would be good for ignite Shield Throw with Manifest Armor (Ignite shield & Manifest Inspiration with Eruption of Coals to stack shitload of ignites)?
plain ruin
Im a bit confused by the timerot guide on maxroll. Devouring orb itself does not hit and doesnt apply time rot right? And the all consuming node, consuming other orbs for more dmg, doesnt work on time rot either?
gusty abyss
dorb has an initial hit
stray plinth
crude matrixBOT
radiant vortex
not even full 1x1 for fire pen
plain ruin
dorb has an initial hit
isnt the hit the void rift? where can you see dorb has a intial hit, or do you mean initial void rift
lilac sparrow
I'm going to build aberroth dual wielding again
stray plinth
Sentinel notes overall are insane
lilac sparrow
Nah the other half of vk passive is garbage sh*t before
eager carbon
The all consume node triggers a hit which will apply the time rot
little temple
Time rot will be nerfed in season 3, so enjoy it while its hot
gusty abyss
isnt the hit the void rift? where can you see dorb has a intial hit, or do you ...
Right in this picture, initial hit and a DoT component
lilac sparrow
Why it will be nerfed tho
eager carbon
The idea is to have a huge mutiplier on the hit
lilac sparrow
I thought it's buffed
little temple
Yeah its buffed for season 2 and its so op that season 3 will nerf it
plain ruin
i get the idea, but 1) hit dmg doesnt scale the ailment, 2) i dont see where its stated it does an intial hit
eager carbon
There are plenty of other broken things that time rot covers only a fraction of
little temple
Haven't been nerfed yet lmfao 😆😂
Fair enough 😂
gusty abyss
i get the idea, but 1) hit dmg doesnt scale the ailment, 2) i dont see where its...
More damage from the tree applies to any ailments applied by it
lilac sparrow
So we will all play warpath again?
polar spire
So we will all play warpath again?
god no
plain ruin
void dot + void hit right?
eager carbon
yeah definitely look at falconer..
hallow knoll
VK Warpath is gonna be nuts but I don't think I'll play it at the beginning of the season
plain ruin
More damage from the tree applies to any ailments applied by it
ah I didnt know that multipliers also applied to ailments that way. Is that a general thing?
little temple
yeah definitely look at falconer..
Is that with the new unique?
gusty abyss
ah I didnt know that multipliers also applied to ailments that way. Is that a ge...
Has to be "more damage", not "More hit damage".
plain ruin
makes sense
eager carbon
time rot op right
gusty abyss
Depends, if you have a lot of more damage from a skill
plain ruin
still not sure where the initial hit is coming from, they added the dot component this patch. So you need to trigger a hit as well right
ah its this
little temple
Depends, if you have a lot of more damage from a skill
Yep. And sentinel has some really juicy more multipliers on skills
gusty abyss
Warriors fury, embrace the generator spender xD
little temple
Yeah that sounds way too tedious for me
eager carbon
sometimes i think you have no idea what you are doing and just snip random nodes thinking its good somehow
polar spire
this is actually one ive contemplated for about 2 years now
scenic gyro
@gusty abyss wouldn't the potion spam from smite belt cancel your overleech gloves, even if those worked with channeling
polar spire
sometimes i think you have no idea what you are doing and just snip random nodes...
but thats also part of the fun
cause then im getting others to think as well
but of course i have no idea what im doing, thats how i get half my builds
the other half are jak
jank*
eager carbon
yes sitting for 2+ seconds to channel an attack with 600% damage effectiveness to cast 5 non-shotgunning axes that deal 10% of what the channeling attack while stacking an absolutely useless attribute on a specific is SO MUCH FUN
polar spire
yes sitting for 2+ seconds to channel an attack with 600% damage effectiveness t...
shrug im the queen of jank for a reason
been doing this for like the last 5 years lol
just spammin out jank builds and ideas
polar spire
yes sitting for 2+ seconds to channel an attack with 600% damage effectiveness t...
also its less than 2s, 2s is the max, it doesnt let you go over
uneven gorge
yes sitting for 2+ seconds to channel an attack with 600% damage effectiveness t...
God forbid someone tries to be creative 
eager carbon
thin line between creativity and delusion
polar spire
i make jank builds or ideas, people look at them, maybe they like them, maybe they dont, maybe they see something i used that is compatible with their own builds they didnt think about before. im just throwing stuff out there and people can template off it how they see fit
little temple
this is actually one ive contemplated for about 2 years now
I just wished it was pure more damage and not just hit damage
polar spire
I just wished it was pure more damage and not just hit damage
the dots would go crazy
polar spire
we literally have a guy name theorycrafter typing, he prob has more delusion than i do
you need some delusion to make builds
little temple
So you do 40 ignites and then 12 from the area over 6 seconds
eager carbon
rancid lantern
So guys, I need to confirm something.
With new Multistrike's Bladestorm node and replacing Swords with Smites, do Multstrike echoes which trigger Smite cost mana?
usually echoes don't seem to cost mana, but in this case, it sounds like your echoes trigger smite, which cost full mana.
@waxen nymph Any clue?
lilac sparrow
what is the base damage for time rot
polar spire
i hate how time just zooms by while buildcrafting
i thought only like 20 minutes passed by, but its been an hour and a half
analog tide
theorycrafting a 2h+shield forge guard warpath build for 1.2. I only see VK and pally suggested when people ask about warpath builds. Is FG not as good as those two?
little temple
Most important is a very high more multiplier on the skill you use for it. Since its capped at 12 stacks. So you dont benefit from attack speed and stuff
lilac sparrow
pretty sure FG uses that fire cone skill than warpath
analog tide
is there any reason you cant do a fg warpath build with max block?
lilac sparrow
smelter's wrath
little temple
Time rot doesnt work for FG since you lack rotgrip
lilac sparrow
nah he probably just want to build warpath with fg
at that point paladin would do better
analog tide
i was thinking warpath, symbols, smite, manifest armor and lunge
warpath with a big 2hander and high block shield and the minion
wise rune
99% of forge guard warpath builds use warpath as a way to summon forged weapons
analog tide
ya but im the only one suggesting FG so I feel like im an idiot
polar spire
have you guys opened up the weaver tree in lastepochtools and taken a look at that yet?
lilac sparrow
have you guys opened up the weaver tree in lastepochtools and taken a look at th...
feels like looking at POE skill tree so just one opening and i stop till i play the new season to understand
polar spire
feels like looking at POE skill tree so just one opening and i stop till i play ...
i can see that, but it also helps to know what you want
bottom right is all loot lizards, and loot lizards can accompany champions, top left and bottom left is all champion stuff, so more loot lizards weeeeee
lilac sparrow
i play mg so idk what to take
maybe more chances for exalt drop or unique with LP?
polar spire
1 node makes it so if you open a exiled mage prison, a champion will spawn to help you fight it, but now i wonder, if a loot lizard accompanies it, is the loot lizard allied with me to? lmao
teal tinsel
Hey yall! just wanted to pop in and ask before s2 for forge guard are minion build on him still good?
been dying for a good smith summoner and last epoch had one of the best version of it out there
polar spire
i wouldnt call it great, but good sure
paladin handles manifest armor better still
and forged weapons are just decent still
lilac sparrow
hmm pretty sure forge weapons and manifest armor uses player stats
polar spire
you know what, i dont think ehg knows themselves
lilac sparrow
than minion build
teal tinsel
lmfao
wise rune
Forge guard has some good builds with the shield skills
teal tinsel
hows shield bash then?
wise rune
You can get pretty crazy damage with shield bash and shield throw
teal tinsel
yeah haha i love shield usin too and i remember the shield you can use in your first slot
polar spire
i can see shield bash being good if you remove the cd and run 2h + shield on it
maybe like a high crit multi 2h sword or spear + bulwark of the abyss
lilac sparrow
is it just me or forgotten knight set looks strong now
it gives 50% void penetration to time rot
polar spire
to be fair, the forgotten knight amulet was always good and run on a fair chunk of vk builds as is
lilac sparrow
now which to choose
teal tinsel
wtf hahaha why is forge guard 1 change for this season but both paladin and void knight got a big ass list
lilac sparrow
between sword or shield
polar spire
wtf hahaha why is forge guard 1 change for this season but both paladin and void...
because forge guard got its change earlier
lilac sparrow
i could dual wield sword + aberroth command or just shield
severe silo
im using all 3 pieces and plan on set crafting them later
teal tinsel
oh it did? gota check out the changes then
polar spire
yea i think forge guard got its initial rework when healing hand got added in?
lilac sparrow
yeah fg is best at clearing aberroth this current season
gusty abyss
1.1 was a bunch of FG changes
little temple
it gives 50% void penetration to time rot
But 1h sword kinda Ruins it imo
lilac sparrow
smelter's wrath is very strong
polar spire
but again, i dont think ehg even knows what they're doing with forge guard
i love the mastery to death, but its so weird
lilac sparrow
But 1h sword kinda Ruins it imo
i am kinda attracted to free haste
guess the shield for more time rot then?
teal tinsel
ill need to check it out and make out a build for s2 looking like shield bashin or throwin is gona be it
thanks yall
wise rune
Forge guard still got quite a few significant skill buffs even though the passives didn't change much
little temple
but again, i dont think ehg even knows what they're doing with forge guard
Their smelters wrath changes were good though! Not enough to make the skill well rounded but good enough to make it playable
hidden dock
what's the best way to play the manifest armor now then?
polar spire
ill need to check it out and make out a build for s2 looking like shield bashin ...
if you run a high phys/dex throw build and shield throw + xithara amulet, shield throw has a nice node on its bottom right that heals a fat chunk based on dex on each ricochet
paired with sig shield for auto shield throws and run javelin
polar spire
what's the best way to play the manifest armor now then?
paladin, as its been since 1.1
lilac sparrow
guys think its good to give points to the leeching passive stats
hidden dock
more meant on the skill tree/what to focus on it
wise rune
This build for shield throw seems crazy strong https://youtu.be/U0qbUnB6-Do?si=3yqcZD9QRHvZb3UX
polar spire
you can still do shield throw manifest armor bleed or crit build, but paladin manifest armor is far tankier with more damage
polar spire
more meant on the skill tree/what to focus on it
wrouk is cooking up a planner/video and will post in #🎥┃video-shoutout when he finishes making it
hidden dock
I cooked up a (cursed) one for forge
polar spire
hey cursed is half the fun
hidden dock
pretty sure it dies but otoh I gave all my power to my armor
polar spire
half my 350+ builds over the last 5 years are cursed af
hidden dock
and isn't that what's REALLY about
polar spire
my goal with every build is to at least make it 500c viable
wise rune
New idols let you stack a crazy amount of damage reflected to attackers and with the unique shield that turns into like 300+ flat damage for shield throw
polar spire
because 500c is the real endgame, 1000c adds some bonuses, and anything past that is just personal challenge
tardy thistle
Reflect loooooks super fun, idk how I wanna build it though. Thematically I'd prefer too be a Paladin but idk
south zephyr
Ooooh Phalanx Sigeons
noble zenith
I have another question since i'm trying to polish the build, isnt it just better to put T7 increased lightning damage / damage over time ( 384% ) on weapon, over crit multi? since 160% crit multi will add 80% lightning dot dmg over time, obviously, our javelins hit can crit but most of our damage with this build will come from electrify
polar spire
Reflect loooooks super fun, idk how I wanna build it though. Thematically I'd pr...
i think last time i saw someone sorta make reflect work, was something on primalist as spriggan form
i think it was spam self casting thorn shield
no wait
it was group play, 1 sentinel with the shield throw unique, and a spriggan form player spamming them with thorn shield to give them crazy flat damage reflect for the shield uniques mod
spriggan player all cast speed just stacking thorn shields
wise rune
This is a 1 slot idol now
warm fog
Hi guys, possible to build paladin warpath smite in 1.2 ? Or too bad ?
polar spire
gusty abyss
This is a 1 slot idol now
I wonder how rare it is to get double weaver affix and then get good rolls
polar spire
Hi guys, possible to build paladin warpath smite in 1.2 ? Or too bad ?
sure its possible, i dont see why it wouldnt be
always been a decently good build
lots of ways to go about it
noble zenith
Hi guys, possible to build paladin warpath smite in 1.2 ? Or too bad ?
it was already possible and good, so its probably even better now, this is what i mostly played in 1.1
wise rune
How many stacks of thorn shield can you get with someone spamming it on you
gusty abyss
Warpath smite got some buffs, new smite belt, better holybolts
polar spire
got a new belt for it
wise rune
Wow even more smites
gusty abyss
That belt is basically 6 smites in 1 second on demand
tardy thistle
Hi guys, possible to build paladin warpath smite in 1.2 ? Or too bad ?
Already a viable build, catching a lot of buffs. Should be great IMO
gusty abyss
Kinda cool though, might want +potion slots or potion find now
obsidian thicket
I have not looked, how is forge guard minions after the buffs ?
Do you still have the forged weapons constantly dying ?
hidden dock
*paladin minions
they just put them on forgegaurd because paladin is saving that last skill slot for something special
obsidian thicket
Ahh I see sorry
But is it any good ?
I know general issue was forged weapon would keep dying and clear was bad
polar spire
they're still great.... until you get to mono's
slim spire
1 node makes it so if you open a exiled mage prison, a champion will spawn to he...
I'm pretty sure that it's going to be a free for all. So you get a free champion with your exiled wizard, pretty much
polar spire
I'm pretty sure that it's going to be a free for all. So you get a free champion...
i get the champion, he hates the exiled wizard, he hates me too, but he hates the exiled wizard more
the loot lizard that spawns with the champion is just puzzled with its existence
slim spire
I know general issue was forged weapon would keep dying and clear was bad
Nah forged weapons are fine, I managed to get to harbingers with some huge misconceptions in my build
Like I thought they scale with strength (attunement), and they get all my melee stuff (weapons + minion only)
obsidian thicket
Nah forged weapons are fine, I managed to get to harbingers with some huge misco...
I'm more thinking full minion build.
Ring of shield + manifest armour + forged weapons. Maybe some symbols of hope for defence
Add in javalin banner for a buff
polar spire
I'm more thinking full minion build.
Ring of shield + manifest armour + forged...
have you seen top left void cleave?
obsidian thicket
have you seen top left void cleave?
No
wise rune
You can void cleave your forged weapons to buff them
obsidian thicket
Ahh it would allow for ignite minion stuff
polar spire
but its also just really high flat damage
slim spire
I'm more thinking full minion build.
Ring of shield + manifest armour + forged...
Ok firstly you at least understand the concept of forged weapons generators?
polar spire
pair that with a Phantom Grip ring + Falcon Fist gloves
obsidian thicket
Ok firstly you at least understand the concept of forged weapons generators?
I get that you need to use forged strike to spawn them
slim spire
pair that with a Phantom Grip ring + Falcon Fist gloves
Is there really no better gloves than that? I always felt like I'm using a small % of it
polar spire
or vengeance, warpath, multistrike, rive
slim spire
I get that you need to use forged strike to spawn them
No, that's the most inefficient way
robust lake
📣 AMADORA HOWS THE RF COOKMENT
polar spire
Is there really no better gloves than that? I always felt like I'm using a small...
good melee fire and attack speed, and crazy easy to get 3/4 lp on, and phantom ring will make your weapons take all the stats from the gloves
dense spindle
anything cool cooking?
obsidian thicket
No, that's the most inefficient way
Ahh I thought you had to use the skill to spawn them....
polar spire
<:heavybreathing:570777048696619048> 📣 AMADORA HOWS THE RF COOKMENT
my brain fizzled out and i gave up on it, its super doable with an immobile build, not so much a mobile one
unless you wanna stop every 5s with mountain boots lol
robust lake
the skill is in overcoming the odds to spawn the actual thing, we only get 15% from 3 pts invested into the lizzid
polar spire
could just do that
slim spire
Ahh I thought you had to use the skill to spawn them....
You need to go through the skills listed by amadora above & search them for forged weapons
polar spire
stop every now and then and 2nd rive suck everything on screen onto you
slim spire
You still need forged strike skill to passively buff your fw
In 1.2 you will also get an additional Vengeance as generator
robust lake
4 days 
obsidian thicket
You need to go through the skills listed by amadora above & search them for forg...
Ahh I can spin to win and spawn weapons
slim spire
Ahh I can spin to win and spawn weapons
Indeed, this the most common method
Arguably the slowest, but you can prep them all in advance
polar spire
forged weps scale with attune, vengeance iron blade can spawn forged weps, vengeance iron blade gets increased chance to proc based off attune, it all works
warpath for clearing, vengeance for bossing
obsidian thicket
Ahh makes sense
slim spire
forged weps scale with attune, vengeance iron blade can spawn forged weps, venge...
Iron blade damage itself doesn't scale with attune right?
obsidian thicket
So does my minion forged guard work ?
- spawner
- void cleave - buffer
- manifest armour
- ring of shield
- symbols of hope
polar spire
naaa, but if you want 100% iron blade on every vengeance and riposte you want high attune
dense spindle
just learned about merophage, wouldn't it be basically a goated budget weapon for attack VK?
rancid lantern
just learned about merophage, wouldn't it be basically a goated budget weapon fo...
it's a lot harder than you think to get good affixes on that thing
slim spire
So does my minion forged guard work ?
- spawner
- void cleave - buffer
- mani...
Like I said you need Forged Strike as well
polar spire
just learned about merophage, wouldn't it be basically a goated budget weapon fo...
i honestly think merophage is amazing, but everyone i talk to about it considers it trash lol
dense spindle
it's a lot harder than you think to get good affixes on that thing
doesn't it just get the stats of the shattered weapon? or it gets them based on the amount of shards you get?
obsidian thicket
To passively buff the FW
Hmm it seems like alot of buttons then to keep them up and fully buffed.
rancid lantern
doesn't it just get the stats of the shattered weapon? or it gets them based on ...
the latter. so it can get absolutely nothing off a godlike weapon
dense spindle
damn... dreams shattered
slim spire
Hmm it seems like alot of buttons then to keep them up and fully buffed.
Not really, they are all passives
Check out Forged Strike tree
And search for fw
obsidian thicket
Not really, they are all passives
Don't you need to use your spawner and then void cleave to hit them and give them buffs ?
polar spire
i wanna see someone make the shrapnel/fire burst node on forged weapons work
i wanna just spam out forged weapons like rats that charge into the enemy and explode
slim spire
Don't you need to use your spawner and then void cleave to hit them and give the...
Only for bosses tbh
Clearing they are good enough without cleave
Plus it's just bothersome to keep the buffs up since they're all over the place
obsidian thicket
Clearing they are good enough without cleave
Really the thing I always hear is how terrible clear speed is with forge guard minions.
polar spire
Plus it's just bothersome to keep the buffs up since they're all over the place
if you run jav for buffs, you can run the dash to banner, and then take minions travel with you affix on b- honestly nvm
limpid kernel
Do you guys think that Rifts of Decay from Erasing Strike will give Time Rot 400% more damage through the new passive Rot Grip?
slim spire
i wanna just spam out forged weapons like rats that charge into the enemy and ex...
I believe vengeance can do it, but it's probably copium of multiple ripostes triggering in less than a sec
gusty abyss
Do you guys think that Rifts of Decay from Erasing Strike will give Time Rot 400...
No, time rot chance from skills is not considered
polar spire
I believe vengeance can do it, but it's probably copium of multiple ripostes tri...
i miss the old imperial watchers and riposte
the skulls with tentacles
dense spindle
no, and it would have been 800% if it worked like that
polar spire
they used to fire a machine gun of bolts at you and it was so much fun to watch you spam riposte
slim spire
Really the thing I always hear is how terrible clear speed is with forge guard m...
Nah they're fine, when you got 12-15 of them they just steamroll everything
1 thing about them tho is snapshotting doesn't really work
Since they're not permanent minions
polar spire
I believe vengeance can do it, but it's probably copium of multiple ripostes tri...
if you're running +2 ripostes, it isnt copium at all
obsidian thicket
Nah they're fine, when you got 12-15 of them they just steamroll everything
Really I thought you got like 5
polar spire
im contemplating running sierpin and divine fury and lagging out my game
slim spire
if you're running +2 ripostes, it isnt copium at all
Ya I know, I just don't really understand the riposte mechanic tbh. Like is there unriposteable attacks etc, especially by bosses
slim spire
Really I thought you got like 5
12 without set, 15 with
polar spire
as long as you're getting ready to riposte it doesnt matter
you can riposte ranged hits too
and spell hits
slim spire
you can riposte ranged hits too
But riposte itself is melee right?
obsidian thicket
12 without set, 15 with
Is there loads of extra forged weapons on passive tree or something?
polar spire
But riposte itself is melee right?
yea
you can hit an enemy, and then back off, and if a ranged hit hits you within 2s, you'll riposte
it might not hit them, but you'll still get the DR + iron blade
slim spire
Is there loads of extra forged weapons on passive tree or something?
Yes, some in passives, some in fs skill
strong plume
Alright Guys - Finally Done Cooking - Here's what I've made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFS0b5ymKaI
slim spire
you can hit an enemy, and then back off, and if a ranged hit hits you within 2s,...
Ok this is very interesting
polar spire
oooo riposte has area tag, so you can make it bigger too
VK has a early node that gives +25% area size with 5 point investment
slim spire
oooo riposte has area tag, so you can make it bigger too
Hell even vengeance has an area tag lol
slim spire
pair that with a Phantom Grip ring + Falcon Fist gloves
Hey does falcon fist + phantom grip(s) mean the +melee damage got doubled? Since they get the gloves, hence the "you" effect as well
dense spindle
Hey does falcon fist + phantom grip(s) mean the +melee damage got doubled? Since...
yes, should
mental echo
hmm do i just start java pala
south zephyr
Vengeance, Jav, Shield Throw, HH, Symbols is gonna be my start I think. Sig+Phalanx
dense spindle
hmm do i just start java pala
i wouldn't really start with java if this is your first time but python or idk
sorry, couldn't skip the opportunity for a bad joke
mental echo
xD
south zephyr
I wonder if a properly built FG can face tank Uberroth
cursive rose
Ehh
south zephyr
Capped block chance, capped Armor, lots of less damage on vengeance
dense spindle
i'm expecting by the end of 1st month to be a build out there that trivializes uberroth
cursive rose
Hopefully they fix stuff like that in lieu of all the other updates pslly and void got
slim spire
I wonder if a properly built FG can face tank Uberroth
My dream
dense spindle
and the most likely contender for that could be a shield bash FG imo, won't be fast but might be able to facetank all of it
slim spire
and the most likely contender for that could be a shield bash FG imo, won't be f...
Eh I would say FW FG is possible as well, especially if you do ward shenanigans
dense spindle
probably but ward got quite a nerf, we'll have to see
bitter lintel
Anyone got a link to 1.2 erasing strike build? Or know a lot about skill scaling I can pick brain? I never did void before and only lvl 70 paladin in 1.0
slim spire
probably but ward got quite a nerf, we'll have to see
No I mean there's something someone here has theorycrafted regarding the ward generation from fw, plus the new unique armor, plus "if gain ward" gear, but I cannot recall the exact cooking atm
south zephyr
I think Vengeance Less damage + capped block and armor + Healing Hands w/ damage Immunity might do it tbh
slim spire
Bis for fw build
south zephyr
Yeah actually, huhhh with enough + Vengeance you . might be able to afford that as a secondary layer
You don't need FS to get the vengeance FW nodes and 24% less damage is a lot
Gives up a lot of armor though hmmmm
gusty abyss
Bis for fw build
Even just forge strike, if you dont scale the weapons, you can still use them to soak damage
Its also still a strength minion skill, so should grant the + levels
south zephyr
Yeah I think there's a 'minion' FG that uses minions for nothing but damage soak that'll be really powerful
Just scale yourself as hard as you can and the minions act as living shields/damage sponges
And also damage boosters with Sun forged
slim spire
That's true
cursive rose
Sun forge set changes will be fun
south zephyr
Still want a node that lets you use a different skill to shoot the forged weapons like a shotgun
cursive rose
Bis for fw build
that might end up on my bee master rogue
shrugging off 30% dmg to a bee
south zephyr
It's like BiS tank chest for anything with disposable minions
cursive rose
that thing has like 999+ bees
cursive rose
you can still make them dot for you
they come from bombs but yee yee
I hope you can still get a nice forgemirror man to crank damage for you until a certain mono
wanton sky
What would be a good 2hander for FW fire/ignite build? I was looking but nothing is decent really....
Mabye some bleed to ignite stuff so 2h axe ?
radiant vortex
craft sunforged on a big ass stick I guess
mental echo
hmm javelin or erasint strike
radiant vortex
the only question I have remaining about phalanx is if the more dmg scales above block cap <_<
south zephyr
It should
little temple
Bis for fw build
Thats probably really good for all FG builds with a shield since you autospawn Ring of shields minions
rancid lantern
Do you guys think that Rifts of Decay from Erasing Strike will give Time Rot 400...
No
south zephyr
Yeah doesn't scale with skill nodes unless they grant global chance
south zephyr
Thats probably really good for all FG builds with a shield since you autospawn R...
Which is going to be a lot of them given the 2H + Shield
little temple
And its an easy 2lp too
south zephyr
Pray for skill level and health %
cold dock
Does FG have anything that could get close to screen wide aoe?
south zephyr
casual 180% more dmg incoming
How are you getting 200% Block chance?
little temple
Pray for skill level and health %
You only need to pray for the second affix in season 2 
south zephyr
You only need to pray for the second affix in season 2 <:GigaChad:89832041097684...
You have no idea how hard it is to not try slamming stuff right now
little temple
Does FG have anything that could get close to screen wide aoe?
Smelters wrath with the circle node is kinda big
cold dock
Aesthetically I like FG but I feel like it's clear would always be meh
south zephyr
Well I mean you probably do
south zephyr
Aesthetically I like FG but I feel like it's clear would always be meh
I think Phalanx Sigeons clear should be awesome tbh
little temple
You have no idea how hard it is to not try slamming stuff right now
I have like 10 uniques and exalted laying around for season 2, I know it very well
radiant vortex
How are you getting 200% Block chance?
stackin with face you can meme it quite high
south zephyr
stackin with face you can meme it quite high
Ahhh, always forget that exists
radiant vortex
I did too
crimson jackal
Hi everyone o/
I haven't played since 1.0.
Started with a VK, but it felt scuffed after seeing necros and warlocks etc being both tankier and doing 100x more dmg. Then played a hammerdin to 98 (bleed I think), was decent, but slow. Then a Runemaster to 100 and that shit as broken.
Want to give the game a new try now with the release of 1.2 and I'm wondering. Do they still hate warpath or is it good now? (the patch notes doesnt tell me much since im not up to date).
I always loved spin to win, but in 1.0 it felt like spin to lose.
south zephyr
Hi everyone o/
I haven't played since 1.0.
Started with a VK, but it felt scuff...
WP can be insane with the right setup but it's best as a scaler/enabler I think. Specifically for smite
10% Global Crit and 75% Pen goes hard
crimson jackal
Hmm, so basically you would use warpath to cast smite "on hit" or apply dots etc, but not relying on the dmg from warpath itself?
south zephyr
That build is from one of the locals and goes very hard
Largely, although VK echo WP is probably still pretty darn good
Needs some itemization ofc
There may be some meme Warriors Fury World Splitter stuff somewhere, maybe
In case you want to WP a whole screen and then OOM in 5 seconds
crimson jackal
Hmm ok, ty for the clarification and ideas. I will look closer into it when I have a bit more time (cant remember a lot of the skills/mechanics/nodes). But basically enabling dmg with another skill and/or DoT by using warpath should be high corruption viable with the right gear in 1.2 then?
crimson jackal
Aight, ty 🙂
mental echo
man i hate melee lvling
analog steppe
You don’t have to level melee with sentinel
Hammers or holy trail are both strong levelers
radiant vortex
Ahhh, always forget that exists
like so D:
kindred cypress
Is anyone else planning to play rive VK? I'm between that and erasing strike but haven't decided how long to stick with a leveling build. Paladin will be so comfy I might be level 97 before I start switching
south zephyr
Rive VK will likely be insane
radiant vortex
you'd also have like +36% while preparing to riposte so 277 capped for ~216%-252% more dmg with vengeance
white cosmos
In the VK passive tree, does "Rot ripples" spread 1 stack of timerot or all that were present on the killed target?
kindred cypress
Rive VK will likely be insane
Yeah I think it will be quite nutty. Rive was always surprisingly fun for me
south zephyr
Rive + HH + some kind of traversal (maybe just HH) is basically a complete build lol
The 2H scaling node is just busted
kindred cypress
Get an apathys maw and your free 1lp slam
south zephyr
Also gigahype for Healing Hands finally being useful for paladin WP
rapid slate
Rive + HH + some kind of traversal (maybe just HH) is basically a complete build...
This is my plan
gusty abyss
Nice QoL those divine bolts, should clear out smaller enemies so all the smites go into bigger enemies
south zephyr
Yep plus I can slap some electrify on for basically free and since it scales with Crit Multi it'll be a nice little 10% damage boost or so
junior wren
Also gigahype for Healing Hands finally being useful for paladin WP
huh?
south zephyr
HH now provides a lot of tree based scaling to Divine Bolts from the pally passive tree
gusty abyss
gusty abyss
100% chance for bolt on melee hit with 3 projectiles
south zephyr
Twice a second
junior wren
that was always there afaik
gusty abyss
no, was 20% on melee hit with no extra projectiles
south zephyr
closer to 3 actually
Wait really thought it was capped to 2 procs per second?
And no HH scaling
Which is the huge part
south zephyr
Since HH actually has a lot of more in it
junior wren
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing someone with bolts firing off while spinning, but it doesn't seem that useful. You probably aren't stacking much % healing to get a big boost from HH tree.
junior wren
that's what I'm saying. You won't have scaling on warpath proccing bolts, because you aren't investing a lot into % healing.
junior wren
well, why do you put the 1 point into Healing Hands in divine bolts? 🙂
south zephyr
Because it makes healing hands damage scaling nodes apply to all divine bolts?
junior wren
exactly
south zephyr
Most of those nodes have nothing to do with healing effectiveness
In fact I don't think any do
gusty abyss
junior wren
the primary reason you put a point in there is so that you get flat damage for divine bolts
gusty abyss
But we already get a lot of flat from warpath and str scaling
junior wren
str scaling?
gusty abyss
palarus
junior wren
that's like +40
south zephyr
Yeah and then there's a couple of More nodes down below than tally up to like 30% and 48% and you can tag on electrify since you've got free points and also this is a 5th skill on a build that really only needed 4
It's basically a free upgrade
Also 60% more from tree
gusty abyss
I have no illusions here, divine bolts is not the primary damage source. But it will be solid for clearing small mobs and an extra source of hits for armor shred.
south zephyr
I mean this isn't game breaking it's just a solid improvement
junior wren
Yeah you're not wrong, guess I just don't see the excitement in having 3 weaker extra spell hits
south zephyr
6 per second that deal probably ~1/3 of the usual smite procs
I'm guessing 15-20% more damage roughly
junior wren
I'm just too used to firing off 10 bolts at around 4 times per second 😄
quasi totem
I wonder just how far you could push a healing effectiveness paladin with that healings hands damage channel? Just walk around as warpath laser since you could have smite, aura, healing hands, symbols all basically automated 😛
and all giving you more healing effeciveness
obsidian tide
I wonder just how far you could push a healing effectiveness paladin with that h...
do you mean you can channel HH while channeling warpath ?
junior wren
no, you can't channel two skills at the same time
quasi totem
It seems like Unbroken Prayer is automatic, isnt it? Or did I read it wrong
junior wren
"Healing hands becomes a chaneled ability" where does it say automatic?
quasi totem
Oh, it was saying it casts 4 times a second regardless of cast speed. Not sure why I thought that meant it just went out automatically lol
little temple
no, you can't channel two skills at the same time
You could in the past though as mage
south zephyr
Uniques don't get retroacively updated do they
little temple
And since then I always try to bug out channel spells on every class, but no luck so far
south zephyr
Just found a 3 LP storm Breaker 😭
drowsy wigeon
Anyone know if Divine bolt and healing hands will work the same in season 2
south zephyr
Basically yeah
Will add a lot of spell hits with okay scaling options
Bolt got a big buff with the HH update actually
Although it's proc capped but more reliable
quasi totem
Anybody happen to know if Path of Fire in the warpath tree increases duration of all ignites or only its own?
dense spindle
only the ones aplied by the skill as far as i know
junior wren
Anyone know if Divine bolt and healing hands will work the same in season 2
yes, it got buffed
junior wren
Anybody happen to know if Path of Fire in the warpath tree increases duration of...
it says "while spinning" so all ignites but you need to be spinning
quasi totem
I will always be spinning 😛 if it's a global 20% increase to ignites I think I'll use it
radiant vortex
tooltip does need clarification tho
junior wren
we already know the spell damage works on other skills like smite, right? Guess what it says. "While spinning".
radiant vortex
I can see it being just for warpath but that'd make no sense cos it then it'd not apply to the fire trail
dense spindle
I can see it being just for warpath but that'd make no sense cos it then it'd no...
would as fire trail is a subskill of warpath so the warpath tree aplies to it
same for fissure in smite as far as i know
radiant vortex
yeah but that says while spinning you have additioinal then it shows the value
that node doesn't actually mention the ignite duration at all but just has the value in it
junior wren
"While performing Warpath, you have these buffs: +20% ignite duration, +50 spell damage, +30% movement speed, 75% Fire Penetration, etc."
think of it that way 👆
radiant vortex
I understand how you're supposed to think about it
That's not the issue, the issue is the tooltip doesn't actually say that
junior wren
it does
radiant vortex
which is an inconsistency and caused the earlier confusion
junior wren
the tooltip doesn't care what spell you are looking at as a player. The tooltip only cares about if you are spinning or not.
If spinning = true, then add buff to buff list.
or smth like that, I don't know the LE code 😛
obsidian thicket
What are the go to forged weapon spawners ?
Is it just whatever you like ?
radiant vortex
? Forge Strike
dense spindle
What are the go to forged weapon spawners ?
Is it just whatever you like ?
forge strike
warpath
multistrike
whatever else is there, pick your poison i guess but forge strike is more geared towards minion playstyle if you ask me
quasi totem
Warpath ❤️ but I am a tiny bit biased
junior wren
yeah personal preference. Some people like warpath, some like Multistrike. NEW you can use Vengeance to spawn them
obsidian thicket
Yeah I did think warpath was just passive spawning
quasi totem
I do wish I could fit Winds of Justice in but it's too tight if you want forged weapons
obsidian thicket
Also does the 30% ms boost from warpath actually offset the speed down from using it ?
As in -20% base and then +30% so warpath makes you move 10% faster ?
quasi totem
You still want move speed on your boots, but yea, you can offset it
radiant vortex
or you can crawl like a slug
turbid dome
As in -20% base and then +30% so warpath makes you move 10% faster ?
Warpath should be 20% less
radiant vortex
experience the true weight of your build
quasi totem
Funny enough, forged weapons dont mind the decreased movespeed as much as builds that require you to actually keep hitting with warpath...but it just feels so bad to be crawling
obsidian thicket
Okay I was hoping it would make me faster 😦
Rip the increased, reduced, more, less wording
turbid dome
Okay I was hoping it would make me faster 😦
Rip the increased, reduced, more,...
Shrimply get increased movement speed on more things
fickle juniper
I was considering going erasing strike for 1.2 - is CoF gonna be fine if I reasonably expect to do Uber Aberroth, or am I gonna need to go with MG to be properly geared for that?
obsidian thicket
Yo just run wrongwarp right ?
turbid dome
I was considering going erasing strike for 1.2 - is CoF gonna be fine if I reaso...
Both let you get geared
The choice is in how you want to get said gear
dense spindle
I was considering going erasing strike for 1.2 - is CoF gonna be fine if I reaso...
highly depends on your degree of crafting knowledge, filters and other stuff, they should be both viable
radiant vortex
more/less | inc / reduce
quasi totem
From what I've read about it, CoF gets you better average gear, MG gets you better top end gear once you can afford it. I have no idea how true that is but it seems to be repeated a lot
dense spindle
that seems right, but now with the imprinting i believe the gap will close quite a bit
radiant vortex
law of large numbers, both early and late MG has the better gear cos its literally everyone else farming for you
but it becomes an issue of affording those things
quasi totem
Personally I will stick with CoF because I find it far more fun, so whether or not it's better is irrelevent to me 🙂
dense spindle
while mg is a cool twist on trading, i utterly despise farming what people what and not what i want in order to afford what i want
obsidian thicket
Personally I will stick with CoF because I find it far more fun, so whether or n...
Yeah I'm planning C0F
radiant vortex
COF does very little for you early cos you really need to get those levels up to start seeing benefits but it'll literally crap out stuff we now want to scrap: set items, exalteds, random LP uniques
quasi totem
I'm glad both are options though, and I do think LE pulled off having both quite nicely
dense spindle
COF does very little for you early cos you really need to get those levels up to...
i mean... cof level 1 is literally 35% more items
radiant vortex
yeah but 35% more trash whites is 35% more trash whites
hallow knoll
imo the issue with CoF is you hit the ceiling for a build pretty fast meanwhile MG can more easily get BIS uniques with 2+ LP but both are viable for all the content in the game
dense spindle
umm you just get the same drops as an mg player but 35% more, we all get trash at first, be either you buy it or get it yourself
if you plan on min maxing the living crap out of builds and try 958454 characters, for sure MG is the way
radiant vortex
we have so many target farms already and more coming with tombs I see no issue gettin any chase unique with CoF
CoF is also the one that could literally print red rings, sure that stuffs gettin nerfed but still
hallow knoll
Yeah ofc I say that without including the new stuff coming, it should be a lot easier to get chase items with 2+ LP
radiant vortex
You'll also not need 2+ lp on most chase items anymore
That 'requirement' was so you had a 50/50 chance to hit that one crucial mod
analog steppe
the problem in the past with CoF is it was very hard to get the required exalted pieces to slam into the uniques
radiant vortex
But now that you can guarantee 1 mod just 1lp on so many uniques becomes highly viable
analog steppe
but hopefully the weaver tree imprints help out with that
dense spindle
but hopefully the weaver tree imprints help out with that
pretty sure that's gonna be 1 of the good ways of imprinting
radiant vortex
we also got the crafting stuff that lets you flip exalted and non exalted mods
dense spindle
also the thingy that changes and exalted affix to another random one
radiant vortex
aw shucks that does mean I can't filter out mods that are not exalted <_<
cos there'll be a chance to flip it
fickle juniper
CoF is just more fun tbh, more comfy
quasi totem
Would anybody be willing to look at a very basic Forged Weapon ignite build I'm trying to assemble? I don't even have uniques in it yet (not sure what would help honestly), and I've been trying to avoid guides...but I am likely mucking it up quite nicely 😛 The tankiness seems like it's there though at least.
trim basin
hmm
any opinion on uh
last bear + shattered lance cold swarmblade?
radiant vortex
Would anybody be willing to look at a very basic Forged Weapon ignite build I'm ...
always better to just ask than to ask permission to ask
trim basin
https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/480944533937324046
oops misclicked
hallow knoll
CoF is def way more
radiant vortex
I doubt I can help but just plop it in here and someone interested might
quasi totem
@radiant vortex I didn't want to fill the entire screen with a build popup without checking ^^;;
radiant vortex
why not everyone else does D:
quasi totem
Cause it feels rude and I have anxiety 😄
Wasnt there a trick to make it not full screen?
Yay
radiant vortex
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqZOaqYB
seems okay, my only thought is plannin for maxed tree but no uniques seems backwards <_<
I'd also plan for how the stats function while you only have the set items before you get to craftin them on rares cos we don't know exactly how far along that process is in progress
quasi totem
as far as I know set crafting is fully implenented for S2
radiant vortex
Yeah it is but like how far along in echos will you be until you get to do it
Gotta find and beat that right area and then get the shards
quasi totem
oh. who knows? 😛 i dont plan to use the full set until I can craft it, maybe other than the helmet, the helmet is really good
radiant vortex
This is like neither an end goal nor a day 3 in progress goal kind of build I guess is my point
quasi totem
as far as uniques go...i legit dont even know what i would use. maybe ribbon of blood in one slot. not sure the other forged weapon ring does a whole lot for the build
radiant vortex
so hard to judge anything, seems solid other than that >_>
phantom grip is quite good and quite common
south zephyr
the problem in the past with CoF is it was very hard to get the required exalted...
Rune of havoc trivializes this FYI
radiant vortex
a half decent rolled code of an erased sentinel goes hard on almost any sentinel build
south zephyr
Yeah the decent roll is the problem
quasi totem
Yea, but I can't really plan around a weaver item, its insanely random 😛 I would love one, but I also really need the resists on my relic
south zephyr
Especially if you really want + Skill
radiant vortex
gives a +1 all sentinels already then you can just keep WW rollin for it
not like its a rare item and we get to just slam those badboys in with a rune
south zephyr
Yeah WW runes are hype tbh
quasi totem
I could try phantom grip...would need a different set of gloves though, unless I just want to give my weapons a boat load of hp
radiant vortex
god if only the 2h node let us use offhand catalysts as well as shields there'd be some disgusting minion stuff D:
south zephyr
There's a reason it doesn't lol
radiant vortex
Just get immortal vise ez peezy
quasi totem
yea, totally easy lol
stupid question, does armor shred only work on phys? would it mean anything for ignite or fire damage?
radiant vortex
you want fire pen for ignite
which you can stack a lot on the new 1x1 from weavers
or am I misremembering that >_>
quasi totem
yea, but I would need minion fire pen, right?
radiant vortex
no yeah
quasi totem
oh, well thats interesting
I wonder if ~8% fire pen is better than ~30% increased fire damage in those same 4 spaces
radiant vortex
just have these x 18
icy matrix
dunno about better, but it all factors into the multiplicative equation somewhere
quasi totem
well that just made my idols more messy
shrewd yew
quick question - is abyssal tempest on warpath affected by the abyssal echoes tree? i.e if I spec into abyssal echoes will it apply to the echoes cast by warpath?
radiant vortex
yeah
mossy glacier
Anyone cooking a cool Javelin build with Divine Fury?
radiant vortex
I'm considerin a new path...
terse harness
Question: why all hammer guides use spiraling hammers? Is it so superior compared to other versions?
radiant vortex
not having to aim and just use and run is very good
terse harness
Does non spiral version lack aoe so much
radiant vortex
if memory serves you also get guaranteed double dmg on hit (for no return) ?
terse harness
U get that for norm too
shadow cove
If arpgs have taught me anything, things that orbit you are usually strong
edgy gust
Anyone cooking a cool Javelin build with Divine Fury?
I want to make one with divine fury and siege barrage, but not great at making builds so we will have to see where it ends up xD hahaha
radiant vortex
just cos others do it that way don't mean you have to, I don't recall it being more than a personal preference thing
terse harness
Yeye i know spiral is qol i just wondered if it affects your clear speed too much
radiant vortex
okay lets start cookin this up
shadow cove
I love the thinking outside the box people are doing with the new crafting stuff. Like the str stacking mage using the craft to swap str onto all his mage gear lol
radiant vortex
oh god the attri swappin I forgot about that
managin exalteds is gettin to be a pain at this rate
shadow cove
Yeah loot filters this season about to get weird
analog steppe
imo loot filters are going to be more simple than ever before
because the new runes make so much more possible
a T7 of some random stat you dont care about... still can havoc it
orchid flint
volatile reversal and erasing strike sound so good together. just teleport every where and erasing strike
noble zenith
Anyone cooking a cool Javelin build with Divine Fury?
i'm doing it
radiant vortex
a T7 of some random stat you dont care about... still can havoc it
I can't just have 4 lines that are the 4 stats I care about anymore where I just raise the tier overtime :(
analog stirrup
Any good weapons in s2 that I can use for a shield throw build?
radiant vortex
the 2 shields that make shield throw work (main hand and scales off reflect)
then just idol reflect to the heavens
analog stirrup
Okay that's what I was planning on using
I wanted a cool sword or hammer though haha 😅
What spec gets the use a two hander on 1 hand?
analog stirrup
join the spider train
What's that
radiant vortex
analog stirrup
Ooo lol
cold glacier
Crushing blows will still affect consecrated ground damage. (yes it did when I tested it in the past)
mossy glacier
i'm doing it
Details?
noble zenith
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaKzRxaA not done yet, but here is the base
crude matrixBOT
fluid sparrow
volatile reversal and erasing strike sound so good together. just teleport every...
Yeah and the guarantueed extra echo on top... :p not to kention technically against single target... You might be able to get 12 stacks of rot without issue.
tacit zealot
best defensive layer to pair with HH div bolts?
analog shadow
question about viability of devouring orb as melee VK, would it be useful? I'interested to go with it along with rive, reversal anomaly and symbols, mostly as a debuff tool, maybe some damage since it also scales off of vitality.
Am I spreading too thin? Also maybe warpath is is better then rive (always on the move)?
mossy glacier
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaKzRxaA not done yet, but here is the ba...
Is Sierpin plus Divine Fury plus Siege viable?
That’s a lot of javelins
radiant vortex
elecoe being so low lp, spider sash And granting the stats it does is just insane
junior wren
best defensive layer to pair with HH div bolts?
armor
junior wren
Is Sierpin plus Divine Fury plus Siege viable?
yes
fluid sparrow
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaKzRxaA not done yet, but here is the ba...
Bit of an awkward base weap? 4lp easy on turani?
cold glacier
Sentinel passives are so good that it's hard to pick the last points 😩
radiant vortex
Bit of an awkward base weap? 4lp easy on turani?
very simple aspirational build planner
fluid sparrow
Aaaargh so much to try, the divine fury + sierpin + siege barage does look cool as well 😛
Why isn't it just 17th of april already... would be so much easier. 😛
noble zenith
Bit of an awkward base weap? 4lp easy on turani?
its unrealistic, just giving idea of best stats to take for LP
alpine canopy
Yeye i know spiral is qol i just wondered if it affects your clear speed too muc...
It's not just QoL, the spiral allows all your extra projectiles to shotgun. So it's clear and single target both in one node.
fluid sparrow
Hence why they buffed the non spirally things a bit right? Or did i miss-read?
alpine canopy
Hence why they buffed the non spirally things a bit right? Or did i miss-read?
The chaining branch was just super bad, and they did rework it to be less bad yeah - might even be able to make a build with it now (chaining hammer is the best hammer setup for time rot for example)
waxen nymph
Is it?
It might be good for Bosses, if you use a setup like Enra Technique
Since this disable your extra hammers and a single one stronk!
You keep it as a flex point for bossing
alpine canopy
Yeah, chain gets ~5.7x multi, orbit/spiral gets ~2.9x, Enra's unfortunately only boosts hit damage
for time rot
fluid sparrow
The chaining branch was just super bad, and they did rework it to be less bad ye...
Oh ok 😄
I have a feeling I will be making too many sentinels in season 2 again. 😛
woven temple
Question: why all hammer guides use spiraling hammers? Is it so superior compare...
aint no rocket science, with spiral each hammer will hit mobs 4-5 times over its duration
alpine canopy
I'm still very likely going to make 3 sentinels
pliant relic
it's not rocket science but without gameplay testing there's no way to know if a spiraling hammer hits like twice or five times
alpine canopy
although I did find that warlock got locust swarm 2.0, so that's going to be my second character if I can get the gear for it 😂
fluid sparrow
😄
noble zenith
Is Sierpin plus Divine Fury plus Siege viable?
if you want to play divine fury, you dont play sierpin since she give physical stats
fluid sparrow
ah right
tacit zealot
can the divine bolts created from healing hands proc these nodes? or does it have to be a direct cast of HH on top of the enemies?
noble zenith
Bit of an awkward base weap? 4lp easy on turani?
i dont see any other option than this weapon
fluid sparrow
if you want to play divine fury, you dont play sierpin since she give physical s...
But the phys pen does get converted no?
nvm
it's shred
that gets converted
noble zenith
yep
alpine canopy
can the divine bolts created from healing hands proc these nodes? or does it hav...
Has to be HH
Mostly those are for the buffs though, the enemy effects don't seem to do much
tacit zealot
so the less void/necrotic still works even if HH itself isnt hitting enemies?
alpine canopy
so the less void/necrotic still works even if HH itself isnt hitting enemies?
Right, that part applies to any ally HH 'hits'
junior wren
it's a buff, so you need to be hitting yourself
supple ibex
Any Warpath enjoyers here going VK and leveling with it?
I like the idea of damaging while moving but I'm kind of stuck on how to really build it
tacit zealot
yeah i use homeward thats why i ask
the actuall HH wont be hitting enemies only the bolts
fluid sparrow
Silly question but HH is Healing Hands right?
supple ibex
First is, I just pop a shield on, shield rush, then putting my 2hander back on. Which i ask doesn't that defeat the purpose of using lunge? would we still spec into it for leveling?
and for our 3rd skill at 20, would we want Void Cleave for the dmg while spinning, or go something like VR. I just feel there aren't much options for us as we would rather want things to buff ourselves no?
If anyone has a planner or hasa build set-up i'd love to see it. otherwise I just honestly might prefer Rive as I feel theres more room for options there.
tacit zealot
yeah
alpine canopy
Then you'll get the good part of those nodes for sure
tacit zealot
done div bolts before in the past when ward was broken and you could generate 100k+ ward if you stacked enough cast speed but now im tryna do armour instead so some old nodes i took are redundant giving me more points to use elsewhere on nodes ive never tried hahaha
little temple
this starts to look nice
alpine canopy
First is, I just pop a shield on, shield rush, then putting my 2hander back on. ...
I don't have a planner, but I strongly recommend not swapping weapons to use your mobility skills - if you want to use shield rush with a 2h, you can spec it and if you can't spare the spec slot, unspecced lunge works pretty well. Rive or bleed hammers are the most commonly recommended leveling things I think.
supple ibex
I don't have a planner, but I strongly recommend not swapping weapons to use you...
are you sure? even if i have it quickly keybound and such? I notice people like Carn do it time totime
but yea that also could just be better is to spec SR at that point
little temple
When I have Eternal Eclipse with its "your next void melee attack" stuff. Will the echo of my next melee attack also have the benefit? It should right?
still plinth
Do you need dOrb on the bar if it has the autocast talent?
fluid sparrow
If one were to go time rot, doesn't it scale well from later on only? What would be a good thing to go through at first, but still do dot, so gear-wise you can leave most things?
little temple
Im pretty sure time rot will have a really nice progression. You can pick up some good multipliers for it early on. From blessings, passive trees, idols
lofty marsh
how does warpath VK perform at 1000+c? my goal for league right now is aberroth and 1000+c. I'm considering the maxroll version, using warrior's fury with devo orb void well tech and big mana pool.
is warrior's fury worth it or better to not go big mana pool?
Would clotho's needle or apathy's maw be better? darkstride or suloron's step?
is it worth swapping to erasing strike when reaching very high corruption?
little temple
oooh, you mean leveling! No clue about that. I only play legacy and have my leveling uniques
fluid sparrow
lvl 5 VK you get volatile reversal which can brign a nice amount of time rot stacks from lvl 7 VR or so?
fluid sparrow
oooh, you mean leveling! No clue about that. I only play legacy and have my leve...
AH ok
spring pollen
Anyone have a guesstimate of how many forge weapons you could have active at a time using just vengeance /iron blade summoning? I’m guessing maybe 10?
junior wren
your maximum amount for sure
alpine canopy
Do you need dOrb on the bar if it has the autocast talent?
Yes
little temple
lvl 5 VK you get volatile reversal which can brign a nice amount of time rot sta...
personally I wouldnt use time rot before rot grip and thats kinda late
alpine canopy
Anyone have a guesstimate of how many forge weapons you could have active at a t...
Whatever your max FWs is
fluid sparrow
personally I wouldnt use time rot before rot grip and thats kinda late
Yeah hence why i was tryign to find something still DOT'y
alpine canopy
40% chance on hit should be pretty effective