🔱┃sentinel

[orchid juniper]

turns out they do benefit from multipliers on the applying skill, as long as they are worded as general more multipliers and do not specifically limit it to the hit damage

[analog steppe]

yeah more multis in skills work as long as they are more damage or more ailment damage

hit, melee, dot, etc. wont work

[noble zenith]

I'm having a little question, anyone know why i dont see my 50% lightning damage from the firestorm node, but i see them when i check fire dmg ? probably just a bug?

[alpine canopy]

In case you are asking about attributes specifically, yes, if applicable (% increased damage works, +void spell damage does not)

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's a new addition to holy aura, so prob just not hooked up in LE Tools yet

[noble zenith]

yeah exactly what i though, thanks you !

[orchid juniper]

tangent on the whole time rot build, I just re-discovered the Blademaster node on the base sentinel passive tree
Its been several patches since I even considered investing past the bare minimum in the base tree lmao but 30% attack and cast speed might actually be worth the 10 passive points of investment?

[last ember]

i forget if i asked before but whats the best paladin build?

[noble zenith]

cant answer you sorry

[analog steppe]

we are in theory craft land, there is no best build

[bold horizon]

to much shit changed to actually be able to answer that before the patch lol

[last ember]

ah right

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's great

[analog steppe]

considering that it improves the smallest of the 3 mores by a decent amount

yeah probably worth

[pearl geyser]

you guys think smite hammer throw time rot would work?

i really like smite procs

[analog steppe]

i think smite time rot by itself would work, its got good mores

[last ember]

what about just for leveling one while we theory craft the endgame 😛

[analog steppe]

im not sure if you would want to commit idol space to make it work on hammers tho

[pearl geyser]

5 smites per second tho

[analog steppe]

sure but timerot doesnt need mass applications

12 stack limit

its not like bleed which keeps going up

[pearl geyser]

that is true

[analog steppe]

you just need enough application to kill things

and a healthy more multi vehicle

[pearl geyser]

well, you still need to hit 12 times in the duration of time rot

you w/e with your chance

[analog steppe]

you can easily get the applications to 4-5 stacks per hit then you only need to hit 3 times

[pearl geyser]

maybe only need two idols then

[analog steppe]

the problem is that 2x2 idols dont get the good timerot affixes on either the pre/suf or the enchanteds

[pearl geyser]

oh which ones do?

[analog steppe]

3x1s and 1x3s and 4x1s

i was doing 4 3x1s and 2 1x3s

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, definitely

[slim spire]

Lucerne is a good idea, but tbf during the current patch people are pretty much using Apathy's Maw with FW and not going max crit. Ofc we don't have the potential +3 FW ye during current patch

[alpine canopy]

Hammer throw applies better TRs than smite

[pearl geyser]

really?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, at least as long as the double damage proc still applies to TR

[pearl geyser]

oh i figured that would not but thats probably poebrain

[slim spire]

Anyway I'm going the opposite route. I'm going to try my best to max defense, block aka survivability while I shit out FW like crazy through vengeance

[analog steppe]

hits only on that one

at least from how its worded to me?

did people take that node for bleed hammers?

[pearl geyser]

where does the bleed chance come from on bleed hammers?

[analog steppe]

gear

passives

hammers obviously have a really good more multi on them

so you can get some beefy time rots with them, though you will have to live with only ~180% application

thats probably fine enough?

[pearl geyser]

yeah with a ton of hammers out i think thats probably sufficient

[analog steppe]

i think it will work, but it won't be the best applicator

yeah bleed hammerdins don't use the double damage node (since its hit only)

[alpine canopy]

People said it does in the past, but I just went in to test to be sure and yeah, if it ever did work for DOT, it does not anymore

[hybrid chasm]

does smite from whirlwind work or is it too slow

[alpine canopy]

Too slow on its own, but you can combine it with other ways to proc it

[hybrid chasm]

ah

[winter copper]

you need to go vk , take palarus and solve mana with orbs+void well if u want 100% block

[analog steppe]

idk i just dont think i see a world in which timerot hammers is better than bleed hammers

[alpine canopy]

Just a very different build, but with the double damage confirmed to not work, that does kinda kill the dream

[analog steppe]

is it very different? i think i would build the hammer skill the exact same way

you just hit all the more multis you can

[robust lake]

u can scale hit hammers pretty well with all the throwing dmg available+going crit and crit multi I guess

[slim spire]

Does damage from Iron Blade scale with Attunement?

[alpine canopy]

It does drop off a bit

Hammer throw is still not the worst, but it's no longer as close to other skills, like jav is a better applier

Jav is better than smite also

[winter copper]

it can tust, this tree is giga time rots

[pearl geyser]

but smite has crimson smite skin and looks dope

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, chaining is a thing now maybe

[winter copper]

yepp with 10 proj chaining

[alpine canopy]

You only throw 1 hammer and only get credit for +4 projectiles converted to damage and speed

the nova node is a dead node mostly for TR

[winter copper]

this hammer version is only 20% weaker than best setup which is 8 consumed orbs

[winter copper]

wdym?

[winter copper]

oh nvm then its garbage

reeee

40% weaker than orb

[analog steppe]

i was going dorb basketball a month ago and am still going dorb basketball lol

[alpine canopy]

But dorb is just a bossing thing, and it looks annoying af

[winter copper]

its not just bossing, its also one of the best mappers

[analog steppe]

i wouldnt call it just a bossing thing, it looked fine in videos we saw of it

[winter copper]

the 8 orb consume has aoe of literally the whole screen

im not even exxagarating

[analog steppe]

also while 8 is the absolute best sweet spot

anywhere from 5-11 is still great

[winter copper]

yep but 8 more aoe

😏

[analog steppe]

for sure

[alpine canopy]

I haven't seen any videos of it, so I'll take your word for it - still ain't gonna catch me using it

[analog steppe]

just saying for mapping you might get away with 5,6,7

[winter copper]

ye and if you kill one mob you have half screen void rifts procs that apply fully juicied up timerot

easy offscreen clear

[analog steppe]

we the harlem globetrotters this patch

[winter copper]

i think erasing strike is better clear personally but orb rot, es and new fury warpath are all SSS tier for mapping

[pearl geyser]

i want hammers and explosions, think ill just do it

very likely classic lightning style better

[alpine canopy]

Shield rush is still an option, too

It's the highest multi that isn't dorb combo afaik

[pearl geyser]

that sounds terrible tho

[winter copper]

its not bugged anymore

they fixed it

so not terrible at all

[alpine canopy]

I know they say it's fixed, but how fixed?

[winter copper]

welll TECHNICALLY there is warslash fury....but u know... hahahah 😅

[winter copper]

not stuck anymore while spamming

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, I always block that out of my memory every time I'm reminded of its existence

lol

[winter copper]

i think liz tested it since they still have that guide and said it ok, mike also said its good besides few cases where u spam it close to the wall in parrallel direction

^ on the topic of rush

[alpine canopy]

Well that is very promising

[pearl geyser]

just not sure i want to be using shield rush while avoiding boss mechanics

[winter copper]

its actually really good for that cause you can hold it for longer and move and then teleport back instantly whenever u need

easy against pizza attacks

and similar bs

[pearl geyser]

thats one of the reasons i like hammers 🙂

[winter copper]

wdym?

hammers dont teleport

[pearl geyser]

oh i just mean avoiding mechanics

they hit from pretty far away and are fairly persistent

[alpine canopy]

I will miss being able to VR to undo the shield rush undo

[winter copper]

new vr is TRASH

🤮

worst change of the season

and they were hyping it up so much

no instant cast no refund, 5 hour teleport animation

x.x

[alpine canopy]

I might try using it, but yeah it's not nearly exciting enough compared to all the other things drawing my attention

[analog steppe]

Did you really enjoy having so much of sentinels power budget locked in old VR though

[ripe cargo]

dot will

[winter copper]

also half tree is completely useless besides orb buffs

[winter copper]

i was using it mainly not as debuff but as mobility

[ripe cargo]

ailments scale with dot damage so they scale with dot multis

[winter copper]

idk as 6 years old user of old vr its sad to see the new variation

if they made it instant cast then would be great

or maybe add a node to make it instant with some downsides

[ripe cargo]

the new variation is very good

you don't have to click the recast

[lilac sparrow]

I'll buy a VR only if they make it similar to sword art online

[ripe cargo]

its just a safety net

[lilac sparrow]

Or Shangri la frontier

[ripe cargo]

the old version encouraged hit and run

new version encourages staying in the fight as long as you can because you know you alwyas have an out

[winter copper]

old version was instant cast you literally could press it any time on reaction

[ripe cargo]

yeah

so is new versions second part

you just have to know when your getting into danger

[winter copper]

ye so u need to precast it and then not press the 2nd skill which makes it even longer cd

[ripe cargo]

wlel it's a traversal skill you wouldn't have had now

[ripe cargo]

also if it works anything like dancing strikes the cooldown recovers whiel the second cast is still up

[winter copper]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/volatile_reversal_return actualy hold up

its not even instant

the 2nd either

well that makes it even worse

[ripe cargo]

the melee attack is at return

your already safe

[hybrid chasm]

are most people going void next season

[winter copper]

what are you talking abt?

both parts of VR are not instant cast, at least according to LE tools

[ripe cargo]

you teleport back

you attack

the initial teleport back is instant

we've seen it

[winter copper]

no its not according to database

[ripe cargo]

Dude

[analog steppe]

Don’t be a slave to the database, we have footage to watch

[winter copper]

its just has lower cast time

[ripe cargo]

trasnplant also isn't instant on last epoch tools.

[winter copper]

footage of guy pressing button of 2nd return while not doing anything? the point of instant tag is that you can use ability while using another ability

[ripe cargo]

you press the button

your gone

and than the delay starts at your locatiojn

and than you attack

[winter copper]

not if you are in animation of another skill

[ripe cargo]

and than you have to finish attack time

[robust lake]

HUH

[winter copper]

for example erasing strike has long animation you cant interrupt it unless you use instant cast

[ripe cargo]

right

[winter copper]

which u could previously

[ripe cargo]

but your already gone

[winter copper]

now u cant

[ripe cargo]

your already away

it doesn't mattedr anymore

your safe

as long as your not shit at the game and didn't take the monsters back to your origianl lolcation

[winter copper]

i dont understand your point, im saying that a reactionary feature that allowed more room for mistake is gone and your reply is play better, how is that relevant to skill losing objectively good mechanic

[ripe cargo]

its instant to get a way

delay at the location

[analog steppe]

Very hard to convince me it’s “objectively good mechanic”, I personally liked it but that’s still subjective

[winter copper]

it cant be instant if its not an instant tag, omg. Here an example you stand in front of boss press erasing strike but boss started using ability. with new vr you can not cancel erasing strike animation and teleport back, only after you finished using erasing strike animation

[ripe cargo]

it's not instnat

theres two parts

you press the button

you move

you attack

the attack is not instant

the move is

watch any video of the skill

[winter copper]

rewatched karv showcase he doesnt show tooltip so im not sure why you are saying that move has instant tag

also saying move is instant but attack isnt is starnge cause letools pools data directly from the game and has only 2 skills related to vr not 3

1 for 1st combo and 2nd for 2nd combo, those are the skills that u press on your bar and have same icon as on karv stream

neither of those skills have instant tag

the showcase shows that port back is almost instant but that wasnt my point, if it doesnt have a tag no matter how fast it is you cant use it while using another ability

[worn garden]

it's a new era of vr

[winter copper]

💀

more like era of dorbs

[robust lake]

balls to everyone

4 days 💀

[worn garden]

hey if u time it right, you can do 170% more damage with vr!

[analog steppe]

hehe

[ripe cargo]

this is actually crazy good for time rot builds, but i'm not sure how difficult it is to pull off

[worn garden]

like what is up with taking immutable past+temportal dilation i dont get it

skill is all over the place, and lacks synergy

[alpine canopy]

btw, what multiplier are you using to calculate that? I decided to finally actually calculate 8-combo dorb and it's lower than shield rush

[analog steppe]

the guy who made the build said there was a bug where the stuff was still working with the immutable past node taken

[alpine canopy]

7.49 for 8-dorbs vs 19.01 for shield rush

[analog steppe]

how are you getting shield rush that high?

[worn garden]

shield rush is a very clunky skill though

[analog steppe]

im only getting 6.3

[analog steppe]

stretched time is hit only

[alpine canopy]

Only considering the "echoed" hit that has 3.25x

[winter copper]

8 orbs is 9x0.52x1.6(dot node)x1.4(pen)=10.4 total

[alpine canopy]

Oh, it does say hit damage now

I don't remember that part

[urban phoenix]

Thats fair, i'm not sure how the Lucerne would compare to Apathy's maw. Probably depends on how much multi you can get for minions.

The extra 3 FW should be 5% more damage better than the doom stacks though.

[alpine canopy]

I guess shield rush was pre-nerfed then, otherwise stretched time would make shield rush by far the best

[alpine canopy]

Ah, I see, I don't count the pen for my calcs since that's additive with other stuff

[winter copper]

i found one that is better than dorb tho

if u dare to play it hahaha

[alpine canopy]

Without stretched time, 8 dorbs is just 19% more damage than shield rush

[winter copper]

javelin with battle standart node so only 1 javelin, with vr u can garantee echo

[worn garden]

got my sentinel build ready to go. this will be my #3 build I play towards the mid, to end of the patch.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqZOxKNB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (15) / Forge Guard (54) / Paladin (14)

General:

▸ Health: 3,093, Regen: 31.4/s
▸ Mana: 132.73, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 62%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 31 Str / 11 Dex / 11 Int / 9 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 78% / 113% / 75% / 72% / 77% / 87%
▸ EHP: 15,017 / 14,716 / 14,716 / 20,288 / 15,040 / 14,716 / 14,716

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 736
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (212)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,239)
▸ Block Chance: 77%, Mitigation: 58% (2,830)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing, DoT

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (20)
• Manifest Armor (28)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Ring Of Shields (24)

Used unique items:

• Blood of the Exile
• Bloodkeeper's Nest
• Wing Guards
• Phantom Grip
• Doublet of Onos Tull
• Aurora's Time Glass
• Countenance of Majasa
• Phantom Grip

[winter copper]

so as long as u can stack 6 tr on 1 javelin hit u good

KEKW

[robust lake]

stop using Majasa, we'll get it nerfed D:

[worn garden]

no

its safe till 1.3!

[robust lake]

unless we make it perma petrify bosses

[alpine canopy]

Fair, I don't know if 600% TR chance is possible though to make solid use of that though lol

[worn garden]

lets not do that 😦

[alpine canopy]

but as an extra TR source just on the side, it's not too bad

assuming the banner multi applies to TR

[worn garden]

tbh trhough.. I think 4 man party with same shield could perma pet bosses

[robust lake]

nobody will know, we'll not stream it 🫣

[analog steppe]

at 0.8% per second?

[worn garden]

I dont have friends like that so I'll never know 🙂

[winter copper]

hmm am i cooked or warslash+fury 5 sec channel is like 10x more than all of them

[analog steppe]

idk how you would get perma petrify

[winter copper]

so thats why you are minion player gotchu

[alpine canopy]

Follow it up with anomaly and hope it instantly kills whatever you're fighting lol

[worn garden]

perma enough to stagger perhaps at 30%

[winter copper]

the issue is that you cant mana stack AND get time rot body/helm affixes AND get reduced channeling affix all at the same time

[worn garden]

idk karv said it was too op and then everyone stopped him and judd was like "we will nerf 1.3" k? and karv was like dang I have to wait to get this bad boy nerfed 🙂

[alpine canopy]

True, but how much mana/regen do we really need to survive just 5s?

[robust lake]

boss petrify is like ~0.8% chance it gotta hit rly fast for it to happen, we'll have to see if there are unintended interactions in actual live client first 🫣

[analog steppe]

bosses really dont hit us that much

[worn garden]

rebuke ftw?

[analog steppe]

gonna have to rely on the passive per second part

[worn garden]

rebuke+symbols immortal and stack hits? hmm

[winter copper]

1k mana for void well cycle without helm affix

only 531 with t7 helm

hmm lemme cook

🤔

[alpine canopy]

I'm not thinking about trying to sustain, so 300ish mana? Just as a boss killing combo

[eager carbon]

Let her cook

[winter copper]

well the issue is that with warslash aslo needs to apply 12 full time rots and i dont think we can echo it, iirc only warpath echoes not warslash

[eager carbon]

That is correct

But they removed the echoed warpath warslash interaction

[winter copper]

das fine

[alpine canopy]

Right, and warslash can get a good amount of TR chance through bleed/ignite conversion, but that takes investment still

[winter copper]

do we know if war slash inherits bad ailment multiplier?

on le tools its separate subskill

[eager carbon]

Thats what Im thinking

I can't quite remember though

[urban phoenix]

Whats the most important stat for FW?

[alpine canopy]

I'm not sure, that would definitely make it hard to hit 12

[urban phoenix]

i seem to remember there being some kind of attack speed multiplier or something?

am i wrong?

[alpine canopy]

You need several things, flat damage, increased damage, attunement, attack speed, and probably some other thing

[urban phoenix]

my brain is probably just playing tricks on me, but i vaguely remember a conversation where the Lightforge node was multiplicative, and it has like an internal 1.2x attack speed multiplier or something.

probably just tired

[alpine canopy]

I'm not sure, but you have plenty of points in forge strike to get all the nodes that buff FW DPS

[urban phoenix]

Oh for sure.

I got the impression that attack speed was priority #1 or something.

probably not the case though

[alpine canopy]

It's no more valuable than any other stat aside from generally being harder to stack, kinda like pen

and since you can get a lot of flat on them with void cleave, you probably would prioritize attack speed on your weapon affixes

but also melee crit chance

or appropriate flavor ailment chance if you're not going crit

[urban phoenix]

Good to know, thanks XD. Maybe it was something to do with my morditas build where there weren't any other reasonable ways to scale the frostbite damage except from attack speed on the gloves.

losing it in my old age

[alpine canopy]

That totally makes sense, looking for a slam on shackles yeah attack speed is probably the best by far

[eager carbon]

I dig some in ask the devs, some answers are from.. 2021.. and Mike says (unsure) it does inherit it

[winter copper]

hmm i think its fine, even with this worst case scenario

mana is solvabale

just need to solve other things kekw

[quiet hearth]

oh man, going over the other classes finally and that flame whip change is nice

[turbid dome]

Real

[quiet hearth]

like so many good things, and then FG and Lich sitting here like stepchildren on christmas

[robust lake]

frick why do we have 50 points in weaver tree and not 55 q_q meaningful choices need to be made huh

[quiet hearth]

I havent even looked at the weaver tree

[turbid dome]

Come on down to THE SUUUUPPPPEEERRRRRR ARENA

[quiet hearth]

nah Im good

[turbid dome]

Or remove arenas

[quiet hearth]

now THAT

[junior plank]

u guys think judgment will finally become viable in season 2? I just want a build where i punch really hard lol

[turbid dome]

I’m tempted to not instantly remove arenas because they’ve been buffed

But also going straight for the funny shade node

[robust lake]

unironically arenas are going to be the juice it seems, all the champion fluff should feel amazing

[quiet hearth]

champions spawn with ridiculous mods, this is a buff

[turbid dome]

Probably

Not really a judgement guy but it’s gonna have something

[robust lake]

cant wait to get offscreened by some frenzied champ

[turbid dome]

Just have 10k hp

E

Z

[robust lake]

thats the goal yea

[quiet hearth]

HP is for low skill

[robust lake]

begone falconer fiend

[quiet hearth]

We have 5k EHP and live like MEN

and die like roaches

[robust lake]

enter arena => take 2 steps => get swarmed => press respawn button

[turbid dome]

But this looks funny

[quiet hearth]

We cant all play the best class in the game and just build HP engi

[turbid dome]

Sounds like you need more vitality in your diet

Also 40% more dmg from vitality

[quiet hearth]

sound like I have to actually build multiple stats

[turbid dome]

SAD > MAD

[quiet hearth]

I gotta have vit, str, att, hell even dex

[robust lake]

all attribute prefix when

[turbid dome]

oh shit

I forgot that on this silly health build

[quiet hearth]

hah

[turbid dome]

🍞

[quiet hearth]

is this BASE crit?

[robust lake]

ye

[quiet hearth]

fml man, FG got robbed this patch

[ripe cargo]

No he didn't

[robust lake]

was it xdd there's couple build perspectives that look juicy

[quiet hearth]

He got one new node, VK and Pally got huge gains this patch

[ripe cargo]

forge gaurd is already good at his job

[turbid dome]

Don’t forget FG got a rework last patch

[ripe cargo]

making the others bad at his job

fixes vk

[turbid dome]

Granted that was a year ago

[ripe cargo]

fixes pali

and fixes forge gaurd

[robust lake]

my hammerdin only got smol bleed duration and a little health bump :D nothing else changed, well add idols I guess

[quiet hearth]

Yeah no, what FG has doesnt remotely compare anymore. The last update barely brought him to par with the base level of the game much less now.

[robust lake]

vk gonna be absurd, hafta see falconer-level or not still but yh hard to compare

[turbid dome]

FG gets bonus points cause his minions were taking like double the damage they were suppose to from a lot of big attacks

But my hope is the new reworked skills give FG a boost

[quiet hearth]

I mean, we'll see if that's enough, not saying he's bad but he didn't get anything comparable to the other masteries

[turbid dome]

Titan grip 👍

[ripe cargo]

Fg is the only one that can do anything physical now

The other two lost all their physical damage increases

So if a build is physical it's automaticly a forge guard.

if a build is throwing hit damage it's automaticly a forge guard,

and if a build is forged weapons its a forge guard.

[quiet hearth]

FG doesnt get near the increases, and you can go throwing with the others too, it's not that hard to crit cap.

[turbid dome]

Doesn’t pally still have their bleed stuff

[ripe cargo]

you can't

like you just can't

The others hit throwing got nuked

[winter copper]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/as3jl07s#2 ok im somewhat finished 1st setup, assuming 0.6 multiplier applies to warslahs then we get only 2.7 stacks of GIGA rot. And from my calculations with 10 stacks from just fury and 2 stacks from fury+slash its 50% more dmg than dorb setup, maybe im cooked and missed smth

[ripe cargo]

You can go smite caster throwing with both.

[quiet hearth]

what magical thing are you saying got nuked?

[ripe cargo]

Crit lightning spears.

Paladin can do hybrid critn ow

but forge guard will be better at straight throwing damage crit by default now

[quiet hearth]

They barely get even that niche, again, Im not saying they are bad, but they certainly didn't get the attention VK or pally did, and their current passive tree is definitely lacking in comparison to them

[ripe cargo]

no he very firmly has that niche

dex adding base crit to throwing is insane

That ones on lock

[turbid dome]

One day I’ll learn how ring of shields works

[eager carbon]

you cast, they spin, you die, they die

[obsidian tide]

speaking of that, does the 20% more mana cost from spiked bombardment (next to Siege Barrage in javelin) apply before or after the flat mana cost reduction from the skill or rings

[quiet hearth]

IT's good, far from insane though, again, people were crit capping other throwing builds or getting close without forge guard. the other classes get generic crit and crit multi from their passives

[eager carbon]

it applies to total, then the -

(9+10) +40% - X

[ripe cargo]

Actually now i'm genuinely curious

I wonder if void warpath is just going to become forgeguard warpath for hit

the reaosn to play vk for warpath got deleted

[obsidian tide]

even the -9 from the skill itself (excellent balance) ? Sadface

[ripe cargo]

the 200 % increased damage just form having a 2h*

Yeah forgeguard is actually best for hit warpath.

you equip a spear

[quiet hearth]

The answer is Rive, it's always rive

[polar spire]

always rive

[little temple]

No its first flat reduction then multipliers

[quiet hearth]

wasnt there some changes to hammers?

[eager carbon]

embrace the void, let the purple wizard flow through you

[little temple]

So when you go to 0 with rings and nodes it stays at 0 even with 100% increased mana cost

[polar spire]

though bladestorm multistrike lookin pretty delicious

[eager carbon]

well 100% of 0 is 0

[little temple]

Yes, but game mechanics dont always work like that

[ripe cargo]

yeah forge guard is hands down the best for hit warpath

its not even close

[little temple]

Is that without the more hit damage per time rot? Isnt that like 60% more damage per point in the tree?

[obsidian tide]

and the extra damage from echoes when it comes to bosses

[ripe cargo]

that node cost you like 5 points to get to

[little temple]

And turns wp into void, yeah I get the problem now

[quiet hearth]

I think ignite pally is gonna be dumb, that fire shred per 2 STR is a LOT

that's what, 400% fire shred at 100 str?

[ripe cargo]

You do have to play warslash if you want to go forge guard

which means people will say spin to win is dead

because they actualy have to engage with the nodes designed to make it do damage

[polar spire]

wait what, you dont have to do anything

idk whats going on here, i just see someone saying you HAVE to take a node

[ripe cargo]

were talking about solo warpath forge guard

if you want to do single target you have to take warslash

[eager carbon]

you can always play eternal eclipse FG and never rely on warslash

limiting yourself just to warpath for damage is bollocks

[alpine canopy]

Hmm only 2ish stacks? I bet a bit of bleed and/or ignite investment would be worthwhile to get some extra stacks, like dropping the void pen suffix for one. There's also the option of using black blade, but that's probably no good.

[polar spire]

its funny, when i first came to last epoch all i cared about was spin to win and warpath, but i havent touched the skill once in the last 3ish years

[ripe cargo]

Youd be suprised waht people who play this game do

[alpine canopy]

Mainly to the chain part of the tree, looks like it might be usable now

[polar spire]

i feel like i'd rather just take Warrior's Fury

[eager carbon]

after 5 years? im not really surprised at all

[ripe cargo]

If i were to make a genuine warpath build

I'd use a 2h sword and multistrike

[polar spire]

i dont think the games hard enough to warrant that

unless you're trying to make warpath push 1500+

[polar spire]

the new bladestorm node does look delicious

im prob going to rock it

multistrike/forgestrike is a fave

[quiet hearth]

Yeah Im gonna have to redo my weird dot build since MS now can stack that single target better

[real patrol]

Anyone know how this works?

[polar spire]

it prob just gives an extra sword that lasts as long as you have the duration for swords set to

or gives it 1 hit

either way its massive

especially if you run Hack and Slash

[quiet hearth]

chaining stun hammers might be pretty silly now ngl

[polar spire]

i run Hack and Slash on every multistrike build if i can help it

[quiet hearth]

just a casual 290% more multi vs stunned targets

[polar spire]

ima be honest, sentinels gonna be eating good

especially if you group with a primalist

which i'll be doing

[real patrol]

Chain Hammers maybe decent?

[quiet hearth]

overall definitely, like Im really nitpicking on my complaints, this patch is really good and shows the effort.

[polar spire]

primalist summon spriggan giving +8% base crit, and you with symbols of hope giving +100% increased crit

everyone running around with 23% crit

[ripe cargo]

Yeah there was just a bunch of people hating on forgeguard, Forgetting Pali/CVk got pushed entirely out of his territory of hit based throwing, phys melee, and fire hit melee.

[polar spire]

oh yea im a forge guard main

at heart

[quiet hearth]

There...there was no forgetting, and pally has support for phys/fire

[polar spire]

love paladin too

hate vk with a passion

ive played vk twice, and both times i made it entirely fire based and echoed

[quiet hearth]

We have engi, they love VK enough we could all hate it and it'd balance out

[real patrol]

Devs love VK, half the items in the game have void on them

[ripe cargo]

Pali struggles with hits that arent hybrid

not the damage type

[polar spire]

ngl i love the void spear for mages, i use that spear on other builds just for its raw power

[quiet hearth]

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree my dude/dudette

[alpine canopy]

Shred caps at 10 stacks

[ripe cargo]

I really don't like forge guards identity problems

[polar spire]

i still love the paly crit multi that can't crit build i made LOL

[ripe cargo]

class just feelsl ike it has random minion shit

on top of being the main hit class

of sentinel

[polar spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNVZbqyo
crit multi that can't crit

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (9) / Paladin (64)

General:

▸ Health: 3,072, Regen: 82.32/s
▸ Mana: 108.66, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 89% / 85% / 72% / 76% / 71% / 82%
▸ EHP: 6,784 / 7,191 / 7,191 / 9,844 / 7,569 / 6,914 / 7,191

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 764
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (172)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,489)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy, Haste, Holy Aura (Passive), Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Multistrike (28)
• Smite (28)
• Healing Hands (24)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Aurelis
• Aurelis
• Wing Guards
• Bleeding Heart

[polar spire]

kek

[quiet hearth]

i always forget that

[polar spire]

yea forged weapons i dont think ehg will ever be able to make feel good

unless they allow them to also proc weapon procs

hell paladin plays manifest armor better than forgeguard does

[ripe cargo]

they need to just scale with playe damage

It's ok if some minions don't use minion stats

[polar spire]

even then

forged weapons just dont feel right for some reason

[ripe cargo]

yeah they're more of a accessory like falcon in player builds if they scale with player damage

which considering forge guard is anything but minion focused would make sense at this point

[shadow cove]

At least they get reforged sunforged, right? right? 🥹

[polar spire]

paladin just runs minion stuff better than forgeguard

[alpine canopy]

FWs obliterate things while leveling, and then drop off hard

[eager carbon]

MA should have been what Falcon is honestly

[polar spire]

like i'd rather just run the warpath exploit that hasnt been fixed for 4+ years if im forced to play warpath forge guard

[ripe cargo]

yeah its like they had a rework planned in the tree

and just didn't do it

[waxen nymph]

?

[alpine canopy]

I think they just didn't touch FG much because last patch was its primary rework

[polar spire]

vlad chimes in

vlad you already know what it is

ive talked about it like 20 times

over the years

[waxen nymph]

Oh do I?

[polar spire]

its not like a massive gamebreaking exploit

[waxen nymph]

Good morning sentinel enjoyers

[polar spire]

and no one ever runs the nodes

so prob why its never been fixed

[real patrol]

I was expecting base sentinel nodes to get looked at honestly, suprised we only got a nerf

[polar spire]

this doesnt work the way it says

they'll generate ward even if you're on the complete other side of the map

[ripe cargo]

yeah i mean during that its like they just didn't have any clue waht to do with MA/FW yet so they didn't touch them

while reworking the rest of the class

[polar spire]

they give you like a 400 damage ward shield, if you take a 399 damage hit, you'll instantly shoot back up to 400 in less than a 10th of a second

they give you a super juiced ward shield

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, weird how we still probably all spec sent tree like 90% the same for every build

[ripe cargo]

I think the idea is like they still do decent damage if you use a wepaon like leviathan carver

[polar spire]

i'd rather the forged weapons dont do anything and instead just supply me a super juiced shield

that shield allows forge guard warpath to instantly enter mono's the moment you get to end of time at 25

[real patrol]

I have never once clicked on a top node on the sentinel tree, they just seem 100% useless

[quiet hearth]

You can make a funny build with the eclipse hammer with them

[polar spire]

nothing hits hard enough to break a super juiced 400 ward

and if anything does, it INSTANTLY jumps back up to 400

[eager carbon]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[polar spire]

its like taking -400 from every hit

but because no one EVER runs the ward gen on forge strike, because everyone always wants to make forged weapons work

its never been fixed

because no one ever plays it

but if you do play it

its gigabroken defensive

[quiet hearth]

Hmm, what 2h would be worth using for a hammer throw build with that 2h node now in fg

zweihander for the phys pen and uh

[polar spire]

torkrefin

[quiet hearth]

if I was bleeding sure

[polar spire]

but honestly if you're every going to play torkrefin, you may as well just go vengeance

too bad they didnt let us run 2h + catalyst

you know what

[waxen nymph]

Leviathan Carver

[quiet hearth]

that or mechrophage I think

[polar spire]

bleed warpath forgeguard with the minions constantly generating ward might actually be stupid fun

[strong plume]

Is there anyone here who is incredibly good at understanding the damage formulas of LE? I need help trying to weigh two items against each other that are rather complex.

[waxen nymph]

Merophage is generically goid yeah

[quiet hearth]

the carver though is pretty much inferior to a zweihander crafted right sadly

[alpine canopy]

I would run some kind of spear I think?

[quiet hearth]

they actually dont add a lot, but that's what I get for doing something goofy

[waxen nymph]

Shoot

[strong plume]

Send me a DM it's too much to type out here it'll flood this channel

[quiet hearth]

either that or a mace for more stun chance

lol, use the titan femur for the 32 str

[waxen nymph]

I can't, I need to add you as friend and you don't accept friend invite
Also it's fine to post here

[alpine canopy]

Bo's anarchy isn't too bad maybe

[quiet hearth]

cant use that and a shield sadly

[alpine canopy]

Oh, I wouldn't recommend using the 2h+shield for throwing skills

Unless jav maybe

[quiet hearth]

nope, chaning stun hammers

[strong plume]

Try now, sorry i get tired of bots spamming me friend requests in larger Discords.

[alpine canopy]

I think you'll just lose damage that way

Over a 1h

[waxen nymph]

Wait until I do Bleed Shield Throw with Torkfin

Cd version aswell

[alpine canopy]

That might be okay

[quiet hearth]

Im tinkering with it right now, I mean, I have 290% more dmg vs stunned and like...more stun chance than a taser

I guess the question is what shield would make it worth the time

hah, could use the shield throw shield

[waxen nymph]

The new Majasa shield

It gives petrify

[quiet hearth]

the, excuse me can you not build

[quiet hearth]

get some freeze chance in here somewhere for good measure

[alpine canopy]

They did clarify that petrify doesn't count as stun, kinda misleading text imo

[quiet hearth]

misleading? that is flat out wrong then

[alpine canopy]

Fair lol

[polar spire]

remember when anomaly froze enemies in place?

[waxen nymph]

Really?

[polar spire]

turns out that actually counted as a freeze

cause it didnt work against freeze immune enemies

LOL

[quiet hearth]

oops

[polar spire]

back when you could anomaly bosses to lock em for a few sec

you couldnt lockdown heorot

hes freeze immune

[quiet hearth]

hey,stun chance on idols I might actually have a use for now

[polar spire]

forge strike bleed would like a word with you

[quiet hearth]

did it without them, just because I needed other stats from my idols with what I was doing

[polar spire]

high stun chance doom strike is WAY more fun than you'd think

doom does SO MUCH DAMAGE

you can get to something like 1500% increased stun chance

which also provides crap tons of survivability

[vernal frigate]

wanted to get everyones opinions on vengeance vs symbols of hope for a damage reduction utility skill on an Erasing Strike build especially with the new changes:

vengeance just seems overall better. 3 ripostes which make you take 18% less damage on a hit within 2 secs
50% inc armour for 2 seconds
26% less damage taken for 2 seconds
next erasing strike is +45% more damage
Must use it every 2 seconds.

symbols of hope on activation:
takes 8 seconds to get max symbols
80% increased crit chance
100% increased damage dealt
60% increased void damage
+12 void damage
for 3 seconds, then you have to wait 8 more seconds:
400 ward
300 endurance
20% less damage taken

i guess you trade damage for tankiness?

[swift sorrel]

Was going back through messages, isn't the issue with fire shred that it caps out rather early and isn't that effective on bosses?

[quiet hearth]

If I had one genuine complaint, it's that the leonine greathelm somehow made it passed the nerfbat again

[swift sorrel]

LE Tools says max 10 stacks and 60% less effective

[quiet hearth]

someone already brought that up, and yes, I have been up for 27hrs now so bare with me here lol

[swift sorrel]

Ah sorry, I missed that

[quiet hearth]

it's all good

[swift sorrel]

Has anyone been theorycrafting hit based Shield Throw here? The small idiols can give some pretty crazy base dmg, but I'm unsure if there's enough scaling for it besides that

[quiet hearth]

368% stun chance with throwing

[mellow willow]

visual bug? Shouldn't be 90 added?
Cause 100 * 50% (spear) * 1.8 (effectiveness)

[quiet hearth]

this is may not be scaling into end game but nothing will ever move again

[polar spire]

im cooking up something and bringing back taste of blood

[swift sorrel]

With the new shield?

[quiet hearth]

No, I'm memeing right now, using the shield throw on block shield with a stun chance 2h becuase FG

That being said, because the +lvls are on different slots, you can add a LOT of levels to both

[polar spire]

what if the petrify shield is based on enemies looking at the shield and not you so if you throw the shield into a room and duck behind cover, it petrifies everything in the room

[swift sorrel]

Yeah, I'm getting to 28 with perfect rolls

[quiet hearth]

the petrify shield likely is the best bet just because 20% STOP IT is really good

Also, I want lighting hammers

[swift sorrel]

Sadly, the petrify shield removes your flat dmg scaling

And +3 levels

[quiet hearth]

I mean, the shield throw is just for fun here, chaining stun hammers are the name of the game

[swift sorrel]

"Nobody move" - the build

[quiet hearth]

get some freeze in there and yeah basically. petrified, stunned, or frozen

[swift sorrel]

And do you want to talk about the DPS, or shall we just ignore that until it goes away?

[quiet hearth]

I mean, you're still crit hammers, you're dps is gonna be at least tolerable

But I build around fun, if I wannt push abby or something I can pick any of the meta builds and go do it. But for simple farming? should be fine

[ripe cargo]

yeah hit throwing attacks just got so much better

[urban phoenix]

Looks kinda funny XD

What weapon would you use?

[quiet hearth]

I might just go Rive/HH ignite honestly

[polar spire]

taste of blood im looking at right now

with atrophy gloves and blood of the exile boots, you just zoom through and everything gets slowed while chasing you bleeding out

the only problem with this playstyle

is the sheer amount of drops that'll be waaaaaay behind you

[urban phoenix]

Yeah for sure.

I wonder how many stacks of demise you could get.

[polar spire]

well the chance has a limit

the duration doesnt have a limit

so it depends on how much ward i can get up to

forged weapons generating ward with no other ward generation, will keep you at 400 nigh permanently, if you take a 399 hit, you'll shoot back up to 400 in a 10th of a second

[urban phoenix]

Hmm, i wonder if theres any other str stacking stuff where you could make use of cleaver solution for the int/str stack.

Decent chunk of ward retention

[polar spire]

cleaver solution could honestly be better here

and the +1 all skills is nice

[urban phoenix]

certainly for bosses

if you can crank the demise stacks

[quiet hearth]

I want more items like cleaver solution

[polar spire]

it doesnt help that im using xithara's as well

forged weapons ward gen is insanely fast

so it'd work really well with this catalyst

[quiet hearth]

if I'm doing my math right, Im at 15 ignite stacks per swing of rive

[polar spire]

play my jaspers searing pride rive and escalate that

i never actually played it myself, but a buddy took it up to 2500c in the first season

or whichever season was HH

i mean HH was broken though

[quiet hearth]

using a exalted birdice to abuse the bleed to ignite gloves

[polar spire]

ok but like warpath bleed with xithara's + symbols of hope casually healing 20% of max health is nuts?

[urban phoenix]

Shame, i don't see like any other useful str or int scaling stuff.

[polar spire]

this'll totally be fun to farm for

[gusty abyss]

And its healing, with just the 10 points in valor, you already have 50% increased healing, so 30%

[quiet hearth]

So, all in, each swing I think Im at 30 stacks of ignite, now I just need some AS

[robust lake]

CAUGHT none of them are T7 I swear

[urban phoenix]

could do this as well

[polar spire]

oh i took that just for the endurance as a "just in case" but i think this might actually be a 0 endurance build LOL

[quiet hearth]

I wanna usethat for the gooft all dot build now that time rot has some good support

[polar spire]

also i dont think healing effect applies to things like that

[polar spire]

only thing good here is the slow and pen

and im already running slow

cleaver solution may be the best just for more ward

which means more bleed chance and duration

[quiet hearth]

what other things do we have like this in the game?

[urban phoenix]

I think you'd hit max bleed chance pretty easily without cleaver to be fair

[robust lake]

Red Ring, Oceareon

[polar spire]

yea its looking like 260 ward gets you max bleed chance on the catalyst

[robust lake]

reduced dmg taken on block suffix on shields

[quiet hearth]

do two red rings stack?

[robust lake]

yes

[urban phoenix]

But yeah, you'd absolutely need a more chonky way of getting bleed %

beyond just the catalyst

[quiet hearth]

wanna combine that with the new pally node that gives endurance threshold for stacking res

but this math is for a version of me that has slept

[robust lake]

my pally is at like 1480 ET 59% endurance with zero investment into it apart from some passives and Aurora

[quiet hearth]

yeah, it's wild how much you can get for almost nothing

[polar spire]

ok but like shield throw as a pre-emptive buffer and self heal before entering a room while warpathing is nice when you're running xithara's???

like straight up the shield throw rework makes me wanna run its unique shield

on warpath, like make its own build

cause holy

[strong plume]

Can anyone confirm that Blademaster on the Paladin Tree is Global Attack Speed? (As in it also effects Throwing Speed?) The planner when i add and remove does change throwing speed. And it reads as Global Attack speed. But I want to be sure.

[robust lake]

throwing speed is its own thing still I think, so gl rolling gloves and ring prefixes xdd

[polar spire]

you mean base sentinel talents? yes its global

long as you're running a sword or axe, thats speed for throwing

so you can run the eagle wing for crit

[strong plume]

Ty

[quiet hearth]

yo, more reflect dmg, time to bust out the thornshield

[slim spire]

Sorry for the necro, but reason attack speed is no 1 except possibly warpath build is because you need to generate your FW asap. They are not perma like most minions, and not 1 click cast like others. This is especially important in boss fights where they tend to get totally wiped.

Ok I'm back to reading from the top

[urban phoenix]

Ah yeah, good call.

[spark monolith]

I can't wait for my FW build to come online. It is gonna be pretty strong with the updates

[polar spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6gze90Q
alright, this is from me screwing around with Symbol of Demise

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (50) / Paladin (22)

General:

▸ Health: 1,925, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 175/s
▸ Attributes: 38 Str / 21 Dex / 38 Int / 8 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 75% / 75% / 75% / 72% / 167% / 80%
▸ EHP: 5,928 / 5,928 / 5,928 / 12,249 / 6,058 / 5,928 / 5,928

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 662
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (84)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,199)
▸ Block Chance: 24%, Mitigation: 36% (1,048)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Demise (100), Rallying Block (10/10), Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive), Warpath

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (23)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Warpath (27)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Ring Of Shields (21)

Used unique items:

• Atrophy
• Symbol of Demise
• Cleaver Solution
• Blood of the Exile
• Xithara's Conundrum
• Vortex Pennant
• Thorn Slinger
• Boneclamor Barbute

[spark monolith]

already clears 940 corruption in some MG gear, so the concept works

[quiet hearth]

does WP not get the DoT tag if you take one of the DoT nodes?

[polar spire]

nope

[quiet hearth]

that's lame

[waxen nymph]

Yes it is

[polar spire]

does this count as you "using" shield throw?

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if they fixed Bolster to actually apply the endurance threshold now

[slim spire]

You got a letools my man?

[eager carbon]

send help

[polar spire]

just dont get hit

the build should get up to around the same amount in ward

of course its also eating it all every 3s

[spark monolith]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALqXbaWQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 3,426, Regen: 2,582.4/s
▸ Mana: 279.45, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 55%, Regen: 783/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 39 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 92% / 96% / 86% / 98% / 61% / 66%
▸ EHP: 12,050 / 11,809 / 11,809 / 21,071 / 12,430 / 10,358 / 10,834

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 812
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,421)
▸ Block Chance: 71%, Mitigation: 32% (785)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (3/3,Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (24)
• Forge Strike (26)
• Manifest Armor (26)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Shield Throw (22)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Hand of Judgement
• Vessel of Strife
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Sigeon's Reprisal

[spark monolith]

not fully cooked but 90% there

[slim spire]

Nice, thanks a lot man

[vernal frigate]

does anyone know if theres a dps/damage hit section on lastepochtools? cant find it

like how much damage the player does on a hit

[radiant vortex]

how much pen do you want? Yes.

[eager carbon]

peak gameplay

[vernal frigate]

real

[robust lake]

mhm just like my 999x

[quiet hearth]

huh, smelters can get like, 30 ignite stacks in like 1s now, neat

[radiant vortex]

Can we not get 100% block chance >_>

[vernal frigate]

where do you see this!!?

[robust lake]

we can, its actually better now on pallies, can skip 1 ring slot and still be capped

[lethal cove]

https://youtu.be/f15UiTEq7DU?si=V9WstD-Jpw--wnZw

not something you start on

but. spin

[robust lake]

maxroll/letools, ingame ui shows bleeds too :D

[vernal frigate]

tyty erasing strike isnt supported atm it seems :(

on letools

[radiant vortex]

max stack on cradle required to go 100% block

is that right?

[slim spire]

Omg I've been playing for so long, I just realized you can actually block without a shield

[robust lake]

I'm at 100% with Medusas

given thats T7 maxrolled block slammed onto it

[slim spire]

Or the effectiveness will suck?

Is effectiveness an all or nothing stat?

[robust lake]

thats stupid gear tho, realistically gonna be like 4k armor and ~52% mitigation for a while

[radiant vortex]

can you hover the chance so I see where you got it

so I see what I'm missing

[radiant vortex]

oh shield wall ofc

[final lantern]

what build is this?

[radiant vortex]

not on paladin tho D:

[strong plume]

Looking at something you all are posting about - since you keep talking about WP shield throw lol, if you have 5 ricochets and it can bounce off you can it bounce off you more than once or do you only get 1 ricochet per unit hit. So max it will swing back once on the enemy?

Or will it go through all 5

[slim spire]

Noob question but can someone explain how much damage exactly am I getting from Molten Blades + Scorching Path? I don't really understand the skill except I know it add a ton of damage

[radiant vortex]

I am overcappin when ripostin but still so close to passively havin 100%

[robust lake]

ya on non palas reaching 90% is perfectly fine

[polar spire]

shoulda seen when i ran endurance shield with phalanx earlier

got up to 170% block chance and like 280% endurance

LMAO

[robust lake]

I already know how Karv gonna nerf Majasas next season xD its not staying on Ironglass base

[radiant vortex]

I don't understand / know how tho

[radiant vortex]

Yeah, so many of the new uniques are so low lpl as well its insane

[robust lake]

most of them aren't global so that kinda makes sense, to drop Majasa you will first need to drop woven tomb then clear it

[radiant vortex]

oooh I forgot about face of the mountain

[robust lake]

and its like 1 in 7 itself

[radiant vortex]

I was so excited for no dot dmg shield

okay I can totes cap this shit out on like day 2-3

[robust lake]

Pinchi🍞 uploaded a vid on shield throw already too with his thoughts so check that out see how you allign xD

[spark monolith]

187.5 flat fire and 375% ignite chance, aka 150 base ignite damage

[strong plume]

Can you link it

[radiant vortex]

Eh I'll look at full other builds once I run into a wall

it's more fun to screw around first

[slim spire]

Thanks!

[robust lake]

~youtube.com/watch?v=U0qbUnB6-Do

[radiant vortex]

just seems alright...

[robust lake]

this kinda killed face of the mountain for me xD having two slots available for endurance cripples it alot

automated symbols are a direct heal to my orians seal ptsd that thing made me anxious

[polar spire]

Im thinking of shield throw with its frenzy gain and sword catcher

[polar spire]

Thats threshold though

Who the hell actually runs threshold

[radiant vortex]

overcappin with symbols as well tho so

options are there

[robust lake]

holup endurance% actually stayed? ima stuped

[polar spire]

Unless you're intentionally playing a low health wonder

[radiant vortex]

wasn't threshold changed as well tho

[robust lake]

[polar spire]

It should still be 20% of max health

Unless thats been changed

[robust lake]

ok face stays as a placeholder until proper ironglass then

[polar spire]

Even then i'd just tack on lots of dex and dodge and play mountain boots

Boom 3000 threshold

[strong plume]

Seems alright

[polar spire]

Go play arena javelin with mountain boots and hold your ground

[robust lake]

never played it myself, might try when gear is there this ssn, let me innn

[polar spire]

Might actually be an idea to play forge guard javelin + shield throw shield and run lots of dex and dodge with mountain boots and play Arena King of the Hill

[robust lake]

and u get pseudo thorns on top

[polar spire]

Just sit there with like 3000 health and 3000 threshold

[robust lake]

🤔

[polar spire]

Oooo maybe tack on lunge with missing health heal so if anything does chunk through 60% DR, you can just immediately heal to max

[robust lake]

this node is giga sussy

[radiant vortex]

hasn't, btw hate searchin patch notes :D

I was misrememberin

[polar spire]

I made a stupid bossing build in the past that ran a 8k health sentinel with lunge missing health heal + lunge missing health heal idols, and you'd get down to 10%, lunge, instantly heal to max

[slim spire]

There's a cd

[robust lake]

16 sec or how long was it

[radiant vortex]

18 base

[robust lake]

fair enough, healing 20% every 2 seconds would've been wild

[radiant vortex]

I mean with divine flare you can reduce cd by 80%

[robust lake]

😏 surely its working as intended

[radiant vortex]

like there's a legit case for a flare spam symbol build

[polar spire]

Just run missing health lunge and heal 0-99% every 2s

[radiant vortex]

recast on direct cast, gain on kill / boss hit, regain 1 on activation is guaranteed

[polar spire]

i actually enjoyed running hit n run divine flare shield rush before, i wonder what its like now

[robust lake]

is it monday yet

[polar spire]

you made divine flare instant cast, and popped it while shield rushing

hit n run build

[robust lake]

stampede and shield rush is so volatile doe, unless they fixed them completely and it feels like you dont stumble and fall every time u press them nah aint no way ima touch them

[polar spire]

i see its no longer instant cast

can't shield rush it

[radiant vortex]

yeah dunno howd it feel on clear but could be a funny bosser

just stand there spammin it on CD

[polar spire]

dam

taking divine flare still doesnt give it fire tag

[radiant vortex]

6% of hp to ward, 20% healed, guarantee 1 returned on cast, 40% chance to double cast per consumed, 10% chance to gain one on hit with it

[robust lake]

spec into Rebuke leftmost passives too for giga tank wot my armor just went from 10k to 18k

[polar spire]

too bad it doesnt get a fire tag, i'd run Spine of Malatros if it did

though Spine of Malatros is still a wonderful judgement sword

[robust lake]

ඞ

[radiant vortex]

might be the balance for it yeah <_<

flares the fire spell, symbol tho grantin + to fire isn't

okay so I have over 100% block chance with phalanx, now what do I do for actual dmg >_>

[polar spire]

now you add in more damage for hits and ailments

because that gives more damage to vengeance, so any ailments vengeance applies, also gets that

so you could run fire vengeance, get frenzy off that, and go to town

[radiant vortex]

or I just drop the spear and go do some forge weapon nonsense >_>

oh what fun to be had

[polar spire]

i wonder if this would make someone feel sick or not

[radiant vortex]

I am already sick and the sharp inhale I took did give me a coughin fit

so yeah it did

[robust lake]

🤣

[polar spire]

LOL

theres a reason for that stun chance i swear!

[radiant vortex]

sure there is

[robust lake]

to prevent them stony bois stoning u mhm

[radiant vortex]

god being able to choose one mod is gonna make gearing such a breeeeeze

and being able to skip to boss

[arctic tartan]

It is such a good change for early endgame

[radiant vortex]

I don't even care about the rest just those 2 changes make the entire endgame like 10x better

[robust lake]

it had to be fg 🫣 oh nyo

[arctic tartan]

Oooohh. Is it 1 to 1?

[polar spire]

yes

[radiant vortex]

okay thats actually hillarious

[polar spire]

1500% stun chance = 1500% increased dot damage

its one of my favorite build

[radiant vortex]

oh shit forgeguard can use maw with a shield

[polar spire]

as a pure bleed build, you can pop 10 mill with abyssal echoes

[polar spire]

yea so then you go flayers pride if bleed, or bulwark of the abyss if crit

[radiant vortex]

or you go timerot with forgotten set

[polar spire]

or set shield

[robust lake]

why do we even theorycraft ailments when Erasing gonna bonk for 50mil per slam

[radiant vortex]

shhhh

we're hidin the fact we're one tappin

[polar spire]

@ judd

[radiant vortex]

so no nerfs

[robust lake]

CAUGHT

!vanish

[arctic tartan]

Someone please explain the crazy that happened to ES. Ran it last year and it was pretty okay

[radiant vortex]

oh god damn it now I wanna throw this spear away and just go doomin

why so many fun things to be done with 2h + shield

[stable ice]

are u gonna level as paladin?

[radiant vortex]

I have no earthly idea, with the availability of respec probably should <_<

[polar spire]

so many choices, so little time

[radiant vortex]

all my plans are currently about minmaxin on forge guard

trying real hard to ignore how busted recurve is lookin or how much they buffed maelstorm stackin

luckily warlock got some nerfs again so I don't feel compelled to destroy all content with no gear

[robust lake]

they've clipped ward again q_q so yh

[fluid sparrow]

Erasing Strike?
Think the main jist is that it will be easier to get 12 stacks of time rot...
And other changes, just read the small portion of erasing strike? Its not a big list...

[radiant vortex]

the scalin from necrotic res as well and some adjustments to skills

[ionic spade]

theres also more consistency with on kill effects incoming

[radiant vortex]

tho for ward the new affixes etc actually look kind of better overall

[stable ice]

erasing strike or warpath??

[radiant vortex]

you're not relying on a semi-gimicky way to generate massive amounts instead you can just raise your base quite well which also helps with retention

[fluid sparrow]

Whichever you like most, have fun! :p

[ionic spade]

also depends on how lazy you want to be

[stable ice]

i guess warpath ir more lazy

i never played both

[fluid sparrow]

And I think I would recommend controller for warpath somehow...

[stable ice]

rlly?

[fluid sparrow]

So your finger does not get stuck.

[stable ice]

i have a controller

[ionic spade]

jam your spin button/key

and go

[fluid sparrow]

I mean its holding a button and move...

It shouts controller :p

[stable ice]

okay i actually will try out controller

is controller right now nicely playble?

[fluid sparrow]

Yes, and even more so next season

[ionic spade]

menuing sucks in current patch

but other than that its fine with most things

[fluid sparrow]

But you can seminglessly switch...
I do inventory management etc on keyboard and actual play with controller

[stable ice]

any of u playing on controller?

ah ok

[fluid sparrow]

Best of both worlds :p

Just try it out, if you don't like it, no harm done, you tried.

[radiant vortex]

very skill dependant if controller feels better or worse

for warpath definetly better

[fluid sparrow]

True but next season they changed a lot about targetting etc on controller

[radiant vortex]

wasd test incomin as well tho

[fluid sparrow]

The vid with the puncture was insane

Before kiting when puncture was clunky... The after vid was kiting AND still able to smoothly do puncture

[slim spire]

You got a build link for that? I wonder what happened if you stack doom from FW & FS

[fluid sparrow]

Based on the skills function the targetting changes they said.

[slim spire]

Because FW does trigger Doom from Apathy's Maw correct?

[arctic tartan]

Doom only goes up to 4 stacks though, right?

[slim spire]

Oh really rip

That sucks, thanks

[fluid sparrow]

Base dmg of 400 though

[robust lake]

yh 4 stacks for doom 12 for time rot

its per 4 seconds so 100/s

[polar spire]

wait a second, isn't Orian's Sun Seal, actually straight up broken if you take divine flare for 80% reduced cd, and the 20% max health heal on activation??? thats like a mini Aurora's Time Glass

wait

is it time to play a low health divine flare build???

[fluid sparrow]

4 x 400= 1600...
12 x 60= 720

In pure basic form :p

[polar spire]

omg its like a righteous fire build

LMAO

[robust lake]

Exsang sentinel login

[polar spire]

just run divine flare, lots of cdr, lots of symbol spawn rate

omg its literally righteous fire

OMG IT IS

[robust lake]

ye im diggin that, gotta need to generate hella symbols tho

[polar spire]

ok brb need to craft

[robust lake]

it probably has ICD tho :/

[gusty abyss]

I guess we know why endurance treshold got removed

[polar spire]

wait a lot of this works with health regen too

is it time to run a 0 defenses, high health, high health regen, righteous fire + shattered lance?

[robust lake]

vessel of strife exsang rf pally 🫣

[gusty abyss]

it must leave you below your endurance treshold, cant have to much ward or it wont proc?

[polar spire]

i was trying to setup a world splitter forge guard with Moenia Mentis shield, but this looks more fun

[queen glade]

I'm curious to see you succeed😂

[polar spire]

i might make it a warpather with aberoths command + sigeons

[robust lake]

😐 I need to stop reading this chat, summer wont be enough for amount of builds I wanna try

[gusty abyss]

Its not instant cast anymore when you take flare though

[swift sorrel]

That's what the ring is for

Triggered abilities (afaik, anyway) bypass cast time

[gusty abyss]

Right, then you must get hit

[polar spire]

wait a second

OH GOD YES

A USE FOR THESE GLOVES

[arctic tartan]

"when damage taken" does not imply that it has to be a hit, hm?

[polar spire]

yea, just damage taken

and thats self damage

[swift sorrel]

Gotta test that

[polar spire]

time for big chunky fissure smites

[gusty abyss]

So we have skill cost, channel cost and consumed cost, which of those will count as Mana spent.

[polar spire]

gimme that self damage baby

gimme those increased mana costs

[grizzled obsidian]

Isn't that ring 20-30% less cd?

[polar spire]

time to judgement

[robust lake]

DIDSOMEONESAYRIGHTEOUSFIRE

[eager carbon]

this is getting better and better

[swift sorrel]

How do you scale Divine Flare though? It doesn't need boss dmg, but enough for clear would be nice

[gusty abyss]

Well, high hit rate would help for high symbol up time

[grizzled obsidian]

Is a 20% heal and whatever it does every 12s or something really worth building around?

[swift sorrel]

Just realized, this will mean perma haste as well

[slim spire]

5 s cd

[polar spire]

needa hop ingame real quick and test something on judgement

[swift sorrel]

Ah, I can't read

[polar spire]

nice, judgement keeps its spell tag even if you get rid of consecrated ground

that means i can pick up quad smites instead

[junior wren]

what

[polar spire]

even more mana being used

[junior wren]

crafting judgement that procs smites? 😄

[polar spire]

yea

for more mana costs

[swift sorrel]

Are we still talking about the same build? I thought you were looking at Shattered Lance

[polar spire]

i dont think pious offering applies to the gloves effect

but urgent inquisition should

deliverance will give more mana regen, and then i can take the smite mana regen node too

oooooo

pious being only 5% current mana is niiiice

im making judgement slam work, but its going on a righteous fire build weeeee

self cast righteous fire

[maiden palm]

What makes it like righteous fire? Just spamming Divine Flare? That's reaching a bit isnt it lol

[junior wren]

pretty sure righteous fire would be consecrated aura

[swift sorrel]

Area dmg + insane regen probably

[maiden palm]

Indeed

[polar spire]

spamming high mana cost skills to intentionally lower you into threshold which procs orian's sun seal to auto cast it and heal you 20%

[ionic spade]

poison aura is rf

[junior wren]

and pretty sure consecrated aura builds had worked for a long time 😄

[viral onyx]

What is the best faction for sentinel , merchant or fortune ?

[polar spire]

that

is

a question

[ionic spade]

general answer is circle

[maiden palm]

Same as any other class

[junior wren]

general answer is merchant

[robust lake]

merchant if u like parsing in wow, cof if you like cozy hc

[polar spire]

general answer is neither

but some would like to believe both

[ionic spade]

except for merchant at start of season

[junior wren]

hehe

[gusty abyss]

general answer is what aligns with your preferred play style

[polar spire]

general answer is how good are you at finding gold exploits?

[junior wren]

level with MG, then switch to circle for endgame farming, just like EHG doesn't want you to

[viral onyx]

I like self found, but there is always a unique that doesnt drop and u can buy it in the bazzar

[ionic spade]

getting unique is easy unless its a dungeon/arena exclusive, but getting stuff with lp was misery prior to harbringers