🔱┃sentinel

[waxen nymph]

Not a 4

REJOICE SENTINELS !!!!

There was another exemple

[clever hazel]

117% huh

[waxen nymph]

Over 100% nothing is supposed to happen

[alpine canopy]

Ahhh okay, much more logical

putting 17% conversion on an affix seemed kinda pointless lol

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[alpine canopy]

I think I heard it displaying over 100% on the stuff that's capped at 100% was fixed, but after the images were taken for the trailer

[scenic gyro]

following the ailment stack logic i would expect that to be a multiplier above 100%

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, good reason to make sure it's fixed to not display over 100%

[clever hazel]

What skills are people thinking of using for time rot focused builds in season 2?

I'm very interested in DoT builds but extremely unfamiliar with Void Knight outside of.. Volatile Reversal 🙃

[pliant kestrel]

I'm in wait for patch notes mode at the moment, would be excited to try a time rot build if there's support but still need so much more information about it!

[scenic gyro]

definitely revisiting ravaging aura for that

[daring lion]

Damn those mods look stronk

So does that mod mean if I have 250% bleed chance, only 117 becomes ignite?

So I'm -117 bleed and +117 ignite chance?

[little oyster]

I’m pretty sure that just means that 100% of your bleed becomes ignite no matter how much you have and the extra 17% isn’t meant to be there.

[waxen nymph]

It will probably get cleaned up and stop at 100%

[tawdry fulcrum]

is this a good shield

[scenic gyro]

depends on your build and gameplay pace, the ward you get from it is pretty chunky, but dunno if its fun staying out of combat to reapply it while farming

[tawdry fulcrum]

its my first playthrough on hc so it may be nice

[scenic gyro]

worth a try ^^ if you going in a slower pace anyways

[scenic gyro]

btw, dont use this if you use ward on your build, its just extra for hp builds

having no ward regen when you build ward is suicide

[alpine canopy]

Hard to say until we get the patch notes, but hammer throw / smite are possibly good clear options. Shield rush has tons of multipliers, so it'll be a good option. Dev orb might have a really high multiplier with the "combine all orbs into one" node, which would probably mostly be usable for bossing. No clue how VR will be for it, but it and/or anomaly might have some synergy with it.

[winter copper]

https://youtu.be/v-z0ikzK1Pw?si=uZoyWr7XINcqd--r&t=109

this fight is totally fair 🤡

MADGEEEE

[turbid dome]

Rip from standing in the soup

[winter copper]

i got oneshoted by orb the red one didnt even go off

and the orb randomly spawns

[turbid dome]

Oh

🫂

[winter copper]

with no indicators

[turbid dome]

Yeah fat harby still needs some polish

[winter copper]

yep unlinke fem harbi it doesnt have ANY voice indicators or visual on some attacks

his voice lines are literally moans

and im not even sure if he moans when u hit him or when he does smth

i mean i get that this boss was probably never tested on 2k+ cor with ehg

but ffs

[winter copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yeddZtYCws&feature=youtu.be

ok gaspar done was much easier

[edgy aspen]

Hm. I think he still announces any attack he copies from a boss. Not his own though, true.

[winter copper]

ye the orb is his own generic attack

[woeful storm]

Back when i show them the reverse scaling bug with 10k shade

Mike answer the fact that something can get to 10k corruption IS the problem

Not the bug itself

😂

Same principle here ig

[winter copper]

well here it also affects players who are undergeared etc its a mechanic with 0 outplay and no indicators

so a newbie with no dot mitigation can easily snap to it on 300 cor for example

[woeful storm]

"The fact that you can get to 300 with 0 dot mitigation is the problem"

[winter copper]

[woeful storm]

They're hard nerfing dot tho so still same principle

No need to fix bugs if noone can replicate it

:5head

[winter copper]

overall fem harbinger looks like 100%completed fight and fat harbi is so undercooked

[polar spire]

idk what fem harbinger is, but it sounds hot im in

[winter copper]

she is hot my fav boss

[polar spire]

oh its an actual thing, i thought you made a slip on a word lol

[winter copper]

well there are 2 harbingers

fat and female one

lol

[polar spire]

i'll take the misha one jkjkjk

[winter copper]

chonky doesnt even talk but im assuming its a dude

[tribal basin]

Fat Harbis Void Beam should be in an Actual half circle in front of him every one in a certain distance from him so 1 orb 3m , 2nd orb 6m and so on

[waxen nymph]

👀 Fire Aura RoS

[fair hollow]

Im hoping there are some more dmg scalers behind the shield rf nodes 🙏

In 1.2

Gimme block chance as added flat dmg and maybe part of increased armor% as more multipliers or smth

[waxen nymph]

Block Effect as More Dmg

That's would be really nice

[analog steppe]

Block effect would be such a crazy scalar given how large the numbers get that the conversion ratio would have to be very small

[waxen nymph]

Yup, not 1:1 ^^

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it is. I think the "official" terms are agile harbinger and brute harbinger or something like that.

[alpine canopy]

There is one currently, though it's not huge. Didn't look like any additional nodes were on the tree there.

[fair hollow]

Yeah the 4/4 for 60% is not gonna be enough

[alpine canopy]

Not on its own, we'll see. I will try to make it work in S2 if I get around to it, already have a planner. The real question will be how many we can overlap.

[upbeat horizon]

I have no clue what I am doing I started a character for the season and got to monoliths. I wanted some practice before the new season I am going to, I guess, look into a endgame paladin guide. I was following the maxroll paladin leveling guide. Are the maxroll endgame paladin builds above still good? I really like their guide format but am willing to follow whatever. For someone who has no clue would one of these work or should I do something else? Im not a huge fan so far of javelin since you have to aim perfectly.

[alpine canopy]

I'll bet that the hammer ones are good. I'd probably recommend bleed.

[scenic gyro]

if you found smth that looks fun for you whats stopping you from just trying it

[upbeat horizon]

I guess I don't really know how hard it is to change builds when you dont know what it takes/what to do. If its easy then that will be great otherwise I dont want to mess my choice up 😛

[scenic gyro]

dont worry about it, you can literally change anything at any given point

[alpine canopy]

No worries about messing stuff up, just take your time and read the stuff you allocate, and you'll be good to go

[upbeat horizon]

sounds good thanks everyone

[river sierra]

Hey never done any ailment builds and had a question, when ailment chance is converted (i.e. ignite->electrify "from all sources") does this mean for smite, since its from all sources, does "melee ignite chance" apply?

or does it have to be general ignite / spell ignite

[scenic gyro]

any one time you would apply ignite it turns into electrify guess i misunderstood

[junior wren]

I changed my paladin build few weeks ago.
I went from caster to melee, all I did was swap my weapons and gloves for different ones and then spent some gold to respec my passives, and I was basically good to go. I had no trouble jumping back into endgame clearing right away

however
if your build happens to need some more care, like farm skill points back to 20+, it's no problem, you can go clear non-empowered monolith at any time 👍

the process was relatively quick and painless

[junior wren]

it has to be general or spell ignite yes. Melee ignite will not apply to smite.

[junior wren]

you were correct 😄 any time ignite applies to smite, it turns into electrify 😄

[river sierra]

yea i was a lil confused with ur response serfax so i was trying to search if this has been asked b4

thanks for the help though, figured that would be kinda busted

seems like if we can stack these bleed->ignite champ affixes, might just be worth going full bleed

[junior wren]

I actually wouldn't mind it, ignite could use some help. Compared to bleed, ignite is like the unwanted child 😄

[river sierra]

maybe node reworks in pally will be less specific with ignite chances, 1/2 of them seem melee only

[waxen nymph]

From all sources > apply to gear, passives, the skill tree and if you have a buff that gives chance too. But it needs to be applicable for the skill Melee with Melee, Spell With Spell and generic with everything

[waxen nymph]

Conversion above 100% do nothing
150% conversion doesn't give you 1.5x chance at the end

[junior wren]

we've seen spoiler for the melee ignite node at the end of pally tree, and it's still a melee ignite node, but at least it's not conditional "after you cast a spell" anymore, and it buffs ignite damage when you activate Holy Aura

[river sierra]

ah rip, i saw that 114% screen shot so figured if it went above 100 then it would

[junior wren]

well, conversion doesn't, but ignite chance does go above 100

[waxen nymph]

It will probably get trimmed out when the patch goes live

[junior wren]

so you can stack 500% bleed chance and convert it to 500% ignite chance

[river sierra]

where does diminishing returns come in with ailment stacks?

if at all

[waxen nymph]

Glad we won't have to use Maehlin Hubris. Even though I love them

[junior wren]

I don't know 😄 the stacks go up to 999 and then it shows 999+, which would indicate it can go higher

[waxen nymph]

It does go higher, it's just visual

[junior wren]

I've never tried if the dps keeps going up

[waxen nymph]

Technically there is none, 100% ailment chance always gives you 1 extra stack.
Dmg wise you still want as much as possible because we don't have access to enough chance% to really want to not use it. I hope I am clear

[scenic gyro]

guess i found my ravaging aura body armor

[turbid dome]

[winter copper]

all maxroll guides are tested on 1k cor and good

[alpine canopy]

And if you're expecting that to work with the electrify conversion, it won't btw. Conversion only happens once.

[spring pollen]

Just saw the teaser on forgeuard holding 2H and now we know the downside. What do you guys think overall? Seems like the downside is not bad at all

[waxen nymph]

I am a bit disappointed, especially because we loose Haste MS

[scenic gyro]

not enough info to realisticly judge yet, they say it's very carefuly balanced so we'll see how it turns out

[analog steppe]

I think the node looks good from the perspective of 1H+Shield -> 2H+Shield but not from 2H+empty -> 2H+Shield

[alpine canopy]

It's a pretty steep downside damagewise and hits minions a lot more than I was expecting, so you'll have to carefully consider whether it's worth using for your specific build. We'll have to see how it shakes out with all the other passive tree changes.

[analog steppe]

It’s not going to make someone who was already using a 2H want to add a shield to their build, but it’s great value improvement from a 1Her

[waxen nymph]

Loosing MS and AS is a lot of Less Fun% imo

[alpine canopy]

2h generally doesn't give that massive of a dps increase over 1h, you'll have to be careful not to lose dps tbh

[scenic gyro]

isnt that hurting spear builds, since they mentioned the "spartan" playstyle alot

spears arent known for big bonk styles, more like alot of poky poky

but oh well

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the attacks that don't scale with speed definitely don't feel very spear themed, in general

Obviously the new vengeance spear is going to benefit plenty from having a shield though

[uneven gorge]

Isn't renegade's will going to be better though?

[alpine canopy]

Not sure, but they are different enough imo

[spring pollen]

Yeah, I guess we will have to wait and see. They said they made adjustments across the board for different skills/passive/items.

[robust lake]

Patchnotes wen

[analog steppe]

Not for a while lol

[alpine canopy]

Right, a big factor is what nodes have as bonuses for 2h vs 1h, too

[scenic gyro]

im gonna cheat on my beloved sentinel with a mage until season 2, i know im not playing anything else afterwards

[turbid dome]

gasp

[scenic gyro]

i know, i apologize

[turbid dome]

Void wizard is right there

[scenic gyro]

i knoooooooow 😭

[turbid dome]

Then again vk (wizard or otherwise) is gonna go hard with the forgotten knight shield in 1.2

Also ward is getting nerfed again

So fair enough go play mage

[scenic gyro]

im not gonna abuse ward if i can help it
just want to cover the screen in meteors 😄 sounds fun enough

[turbid dome]

If you want extra fun use the lightning meteor set with that

• star dust node

[spring pollen]

can you build holy trail as purely fire? I see it is split fire/lightning?

Is there a reason to focus one over the other?

[waxen nymph]

You cant really focus on one type

You would need like Flat Spell Fire

That's not very common

[spring pollen]

Oh so its better to go for flat generic spell damage and increased general/elem DoT?

[scenic gyro]

flat dmg is generally always a huge boost to your dmg because everything scales with that, your passive, % increases from gear/skills etc.

it's not very accesible so you want to take that when you can

[waxen nymph]

You could make it triple element with Pyre of Affliction Unique 2h Axe + Shield

Fire Necrotic Lightning 👀👀💀💀

[scenic gyro]

in 3 weeks* 😭 😭 😭

[elder frost]

dont the build lose too much by not going paladin?

[scenic gyro]

depends on the new pala tree? you cant rly say until patch

until then its a fun idea

[elder frost]

because the 2h shield is locked on forge guard

[spring pollen]

What does the paladin tree contribute that forgeguard would miss out on? Im going to open planner and look

[robust lake]

There are kinda few sources of flat damage compared to %increase all over the game

[scenic gyro]

but yea, fg is probably not meant for spell scaling

[waxen nymph]

More Flat Spell on the second half

Generic Inc Dmg

[robust lake]

It's such a bummer that there's so many sources of %Chance to apply Bleed on Melee Hit and not just on Hit... melee part ruins all my plans :<

[elder frost]

and if you are going full dot scaling you are probably double dipping with consacreted ground right?

maybe the word is not double dipping

[scenic gyro]

well its meant to be a melee class
all melee weapons have +melee dmg as well ^^

[waxen nymph]

Shame there is no Spell Flat on the new Vengeance Spear 👀👀

[scenic gyro]

surpisingly, i know

spell flat on sent is very hard, on warpath smite i got a single roll on sword and thats it

[elder frost]

anyone has knowledge if its possible to do a "void trail" vk build?

[robust lake]

Hammers don't count as melee hit right?

[scenic gyro]

nah throwing attack

[robust lake]

figures

[spring pollen]

Might be better trying a crit javelin build then on FG.......... never tried before.

[spring pollen]

Are you going that path?

[waxen nymph]

That my starter yeah

Phys Crit Jav FG

Sierpin + Siège Barrage

[spring pollen]

Oh nice. I was going to try a 1H spear+shield crit vengeance/javelin type setup if i can get the new unique

[spring pollen]

what is sierpin?

[waxen nymph]

There is no 1h Spear

[waxen nymph]

Sierpin Fractal, the splitting Unique Spear from Exiled Mages

[spring pollen]

I mean spear using the FG passive to hold in 1H

Oh nice that spear looks great. I never really looked into javelin before so many of these uniques i kinda forgot about lol

[waxen nymph]

I feel like maybe there is a full "counter" 'build somewhere

[scenic gyro]

you mean like reflect/trigger on getting hit?

[waxen nymph]

Vengeance Spear for Javelin on Riposte + Siegon for Shield Throw on Block

You spam Vengeance

[robust lake]

Unironically Phalanx might be the go to lol

[scenic gyro]

i always struggle with single target in those trigger scenarios, im not waiting to get slapped by abby to trigger block

[robust lake]

I really hope uber abby is overtuned and takes ~50 median attempts to kill xD

[elder frost]

i wonder how it will feel to just lunge around next patch with the auto javelin

[turbid dome]

As long as it’s not bs killing me let’s go

[alpine canopy]

Heal effect converts to flat damage on holy trail, which also synergizes well with judgment and HH

[robust lake]

probably not tho, hc guys (couple dozen of them that gonna play) will nuke EHG with the QQ

[alpine canopy]

So that is probably the main reason you'd go pally over FG, plus with all that flat available all over, no benefit to going 2h+shield

[scenic gyro]

i dont think ehg easily bend the knee to such complaints or dots would have been nerfed a year ago

[junior wren]

not really. The problem is that trail gets scaling from this node. And this is also adaptive spell damage, so even if you stack void spell damage sources, this adaptive source will still be half lightning, half fire.

[robust lake]

dots can be cleansed by built-in passives and 4+ potion slots, a boss that one shots your well-cooked build is kinda different I feel xD

[junior wren]

yes, you can use both, but there are some caveats.. javelin is thrown while judgement is melee, it's a different attack speed modifier. It'll be cooldown so in theory it isn't that big of a deal, but Judgement attack animation is one of the slowest skills on Sentinel and I personally found it annoying 😄
the other is that you would have to stay in melee range despite being a javelin build

maybe if you can find enough global speed bonuses it's not so bad

[spring pollen]

Does attack speed affect javelin throwing? Or is there a specific "throw attack speed" stat?

[robust lake]

There's both xD And I'm always confused about it aswell after not playing LE for a while

[alpine canopy]

Yes, both. As long as it's not bow or melee attack speed.

[junior wren]

for example the Blademaster passive gives both and specifies nothing

but affix on weapons specifies it's just melee attack speed

[rancid lantern]

after seeing some teasers, definitely making some time rot VK next patch

just not sure whats the best applicator

Smite should be the best single target cause of the 250% more and 20% attack/cast speed buff?

[spring pollen]

wait so both "attack speed" and "throwing attack speed" would contribute to javelin?

[rancid lantern]

Yes, Edd

void cleave would normally be the obvious pick but you kinda wanna keep the set bonus

[robust lake]

Throwing attack speed is super niche and mostly found on rings and gloves.

[spring pollen]

ah ok ty

[junior wren]

javelin might be better. its damage bonus is lower, but with siege barrage you can hit 5 times

plus it's quite compatible with other ailments like bleed

[rancid lantern]

even with the cooldown?

[little crystal]

Timerot chance seems like it will be rare for spells. Currently most sources are melee.

[junior wren]

siege barrage has no cooldown

[rancid lantern]

You wouldn't use the 250% more/2% per att?

[spring pollen]

what is commonly used to offset the javelin mana cost? Just mana regen%?

[junior wren]

well, if you used battle standard, you only get 1 application every 6 seconds

[rancid lantern]

Ring affixes and mana cost on jav tree

[rancid lantern]

Well if you can get 12 applications in one go, that might be worth it as a single target killer, no?

if your priority's timerot, anyway

[junior wren]

how do you get 12 applications in one go?

[spring pollen]

Ty! I missed that node.

[rancid lantern]

not sure if siege barrage prioritizes the same target

i havent played javelin

[junior wren]

if you take battle standard, you only throw one javelin again

battle standard removes the siege barrage bonus 🙂

[rancid lantern]

ah dam

[junior wren]

so you would have to stack 1200% time rot chance

very unlikely 😄

theoretically, you could rely on Echo

[rancid lantern]

but you cant guarantee that

ye

[junior wren]

another option would be to stack cooldown like crazy

[rancid lantern]

well in that case you deal with 100% more and 20% more/20% AS, which is not as good as Smite

i think it might be more compelling

to do Smite

and battle standard casting said smite

[junior wren]

there's 60% more in strategic patience aswell

AS doesn't matter if it's on cooldown anyway 😄

[rancid lantern]

mm

[junior wren]

you'll be happy to get 300% time rot, so you need at least 4 hits, so yeah smite is better

[rancid lantern]

the opportunity cost of throwing affixes is a pain too

im getting greedy now im wondering if you could combine electrify smite and time rot VK...

[junior wren]

sure you could

but electrify wants you stacking ignite

[rancid lantern]

yeah

too much opportunity cost

HMm

[junior wren]

if only they fixed lunge so it doesn't need distance to deal damage, it would be ideal applicator. It even has void conversion with bleed -> time rot

[rancid lantern]

itd be annoying to max distance lunge every time

[junior wren]

exactly

[rancid lantern]

and

with javelin being a buff

you can do HH too

depending on divine bolt more multis, that too might be an option

[junior wren]

that's even lower than javelin

you might aswell apply it with multistrike then 😄

[rancid lantern]

well

now that i see you can make thicc time rot via attunement stacking via javelin

[junior wren]

you can't be a paladin remember, that passive is surely going to be VK only

where was that image

[rancid lantern]

Mmmh

[robust lake]

Paranoia helmet viable

[junior wren]

you mean lunging through targets? that won't work, the damage bonus is on "final hit"

[rancid lantern]

I guess youre right.

[junior wren]

you could lunge back and forth

[robust lake]

sadge

[rancid lantern]

so its self-cast smite (attunement stack) + Jav casting smites?

not too bad honestly

[supple ibex]

Anyone know if we're going to be able to look at the skill tree before the launch of season 2?

I get worried when idk wtf im doing

[junior wren]

if you're going the caster route, we still don't know how Devouring Orb is gonna factor into it

supposedly it's going to have some time rot too

[rancid lantern]

As DO is concerned, plopping void rift might be a big deal

[spring pollen]

what about javelin+siege barrage and using smite on throw hit idols to stack time rot quickly?

[junior wren]

jav + siege barrage was the first recommendation from me 😛

minus the throw idols

[vivid talon]

we've gotten them early in past updates so probably

[junior wren]

DO looks great on paper, because it already has built-in void pen

[rancid lantern]

Its better for clear than smite but i think you can do better for clear

[junior wren]

if it gets any good time rot related % more bonuses, it would be what you're looking for

[rancid lantern]

Void rifts gain bonuses from multiple trees?

[junior wren]

i don't think so, the passives don't say "void rifts from devouring orb", but I'd guess it only applies to void rifts from that skill where you got the passive

[rancid lantern]

like Disintegration from Volatile Reversal + Rifts of Destruction from Erasing?

[junior wren]

try searching, maybe someone asked that question already

[rancid lantern]

think not, VR specifies VR's rifts

[alpine canopy]

No

Rift is always a true subskill, so it benefits from the parent skill spec only (if there is one)

Also keep in mind when looking for skills to apply that "more melee damage" and conditional on enemy state modifiers won't apply to time rot

Smite and hammer throw have similar modifiers, so hammerdin will be good clear. Shield rush has probably the biggest modifier we have currently and does multi-hit which is nice. Dorb might be able to get really big numbers with the new "combine all orbs" node, but not sure. VR might have some cool stuff, but we don't know much about it yet afaik

[vivid talon]

shield rush is still currently unplayable in online mode btw so have to hope that's actually fixed unless you play offline

[lone flicker]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/nsantos06/character/VoidKnightS

[robust lake]

Ya you'll need T6-7 ring suffixes or an exalted shield with maxblock / slammed Face of the Mountain to take it further.

For Face you'll have to build around Endurance though so thats a stretch if you don't have stuff prepared for it in CoF.

[lone flicker]

im feeling it has not enough defenses to get through 500c

even with leech

[little crystal]

Why do you not take timelost vitality? as a DoT build you want as much VR uptime as possible

[robust lake]

Difference between 64 and even 84% is palpable. My pala looks like this. You're missing a bunch from passives. Check them out.

[waxen nymph]

You have no Crit Mitigation

Get a Leonine Helmet

[robust lake]

ye no crit avoidance at 500 is wild 💀

[little crystal]

Or could just boost the blind passive and rely on blind

[robust lake]

its probably the cause for most of your deaths lol

[waxen nymph]

True blind is nice but a random off screen crit can happen

And Leo is still better armor

[lone flicker]

block effectiveness wont increase block chance, right?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[robust lake]

effectiveness affects the dr amount yea

[waxen nymph]

Why do you not take the 250% More Dmg inside Smite ?

[lone flicker]

where is this

[waxen nymph]

Sacrifice

[lone flicker]

which nodes i should drop

[robust lake]

those gloves u got are lit 👀

[waxen nymph]

I would drop the left side

[robust lake]

Pretty sure the Throwing damage leech node only affects initial hammer throw damage and not the bleed from which u get most of the recovery. I'd rather take Grand Thirst of the Sun for leech rate

blessings wise

[waxen nymph]

Also in Abyssal Echo you could take Nether Coating for the AS

[rancid lantern]

A very interesting angle we came up with

would be to use Javelin

for Time rot

battlestandard would be absolutely busted if all you care about is just a few applications

[robust lake]

standard+smite madness 👀

[waxen nymph]

Battle Standard as a hit applicator ?

[rancid lantern]

aye

[rancid lantern]

The auto-smite might be overkill if you already cast smite

might as well use the more multi

[robust lake]

no such thing as bigger damuge

[rancid lantern]

well, for timerot it matters

you want 12 biggest hits possible

or a bit less depending on your chance

[robust lake]

I haven't touched vk stuff since like 0.8 so I'll be 👀

[waxen nymph]

Eeewww 🤮

[rancid lantern]

250% more and 2% per attunement?

on top of 20% more and 60% more? cmon

and 100% more dot?

that's disgustingly good

[waxen nymph]

But the zone is so small

[robust lake]

attunement synergizes with world splitter too 👀

[rancid lantern]

it doesnt matter, you'd just use that for single target

[rancid lantern]

would be using sword+shield here for the time rot set

[robust lake]

mhmh

[rancid lantern]

Suppose you have 200% time rot chance. You just want 6 big hits.

what's the biggest amount of more multis you can pump into that

[lone flicker]

what is the easiest way to get crit avoid

[rancid lantern]

The very first boss drops woven flesh pretty often

[waxen nymph]

Also the Att scaling is only for the Aura of the Standard

[rancid lantern]

"Increased admage per attunement" ?

well, that's still neat, no?

[waxen nymph]

That's for when you are in the Aura

[waxen nymph]

Leonine Helmet

[turbid dome]

Leonine helmet so go for reduced bonus dmg taken from crits instead of crit avoid

Leo helmet + armor/reduced bonus crit dmg taken affix is all you need

[rancid lantern]

That's later. I think its woven flesh -> Ring + blessing -> Leonine

[waxen nymph]

They already are at 500c

[rancid lantern]

oh okay

i assumed too much from "easiest" i guess :p

[turbid dome]

I normally just deal with random crit deaths until I get a Leo hat

[robust lake]

he's got a pretty decent hat, swapping to mediocre leonine gonna hurt 💀

[lone flicker]

i got one leonine good

[waxen nymph]

440 extra Armor is juicy

[turbid dome]

whats the current hat

[turbid dome]

also yeah the sheer armor given by leo hat is insane

[turbid dome]

thats a very nice leo hat

well not like a super nice one

[lone flicker]

current hat was this one

[turbid dome]

what does the leo hat push your armor DR to?

[waxen nymph]

Also I have a bad feeling
The time Rot node says More Dmg per Time Rot chance on Void Skill
I am scared they are going to make Void Skill only Chance to apply time

[clever hazel]

they are definitely adding affixes for it like the new electrify for lightning skills on helm/chest

[lone flicker]

2.5 to 5k armour

[rancid lantern]

Well, then its probably a braindead Devouring Orb

[clever hazel]

I'm 90% certain they said this during one of the streams

[rancid lantern]

cause i dont really think self-cast Void smite's good

[lone flicker]

the ring I'm wearing, two of this

[turbid dome]

ok yeah that makes up for the less hp

[rancid lantern]

though that would be strange.

[lone flicker]

and I got those

[rancid lantern]

It would make it an exception among ailments, no?

[turbid dome]

you can echo and double cast (smite node) smite with void smite

[lone flicker]

block goes 66 to 72

[turbid dome]

but this time rot build doesn't really care for lots of hits

[rancid lantern]

^

[lone flicker]

6 mana cost on hammer throw

[robust lake]

get better block blessing, thats another 3%

[rancid lantern]

so im thinking javelin battlestandard and im trying to find like 5 more thicc hits

[turbid dome]

if we're already stacking time rot to 12, maybe an erasing strike build could work for it

[waxen nymph]

To not really
Look at mage
They have a lot of Ignite on Fire hit and Frostbite on cold hit
Sentinel is getting Electrify on Lightning Hit
I wouldn't be surprised we get time Rot on Void hit

Also... Void Shield Throw

[turbid dome]

cause like final hour can get us all the time rot chance we need (assuming its not changed)

[rancid lantern]

@waxen nymph Rot Grip does not specify void

[robust lake]

Gotta farm up idols for that 💀 or where did we have the conversion on

[turbid dome]

conversion for what

[lone flicker]

anything more that I should look to

[rancid lantern]

Chance like this doesn't matter unless you gonna play around anomaly ailment reset

[robust lake]

throwing stuff

[waxen nymph]

Do you have a screenshot easy access ?

[turbid dome]

I know shield throw to void is on an idol

[robust lake]

yee

[turbid dome]

I think I'm missing something about this line

[rancid lantern]

if you do the ailments deal damage faster, the 12 time rot stacks is less important cause they'd expire quick so you can reapply them again asap

[turbid dome]

oh I was thinking for the bleed -> time rot chance, not the dmg vs 12

[rancid lantern]

guess its void smite then

[lone flicker]

how do I update my character on le tools?

[turbid dome]

re import it

[lone flicker]

its not working though

i change my helmet

[turbid dome]

hmm

[rancid lantern]

i think you gotta log out for it to save server side, no?

[turbid dome]

oh maybe

[lone flicker]

log out the game, you mean?

[rancid lantern]

ye

just the character should be fine

[lone flicker]

need to get new rings

[turbid dome]

does +1 slow stacks on hit = 100% slow chance for the purpose of rot grip

[waxen nymph]

I want to say no

[turbid dome]

ima go ask Mike

[waxen nymph]

Also we don't know about the new VR but it might get good stuff for TR

[rancid lantern]

DOubtful

if precedents

taught me anything

[turbid dome]

might as well ask

[rancid lantern]

(shock chance/chill chance scaling via runemaster)

only global chance counts

i think he said it on podcast too

"Chance to slow on void hit" Is the only one I'm not sure of

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/suffixes/AEwBg7EA

if this works, this is effectively better than time rot chance for DPS

[turbid dome]

it is slow chance thats applied by a void skill

[rancid lantern]

its neat you can use time rot chance/slow chance kinda interchangably

as they drop on same idols

ah, nevermind, its actually equal benefit

as you can get up to 200% slow and up to 100% time rot

chance on idols

and time rot % counts double for grip

[turbid dome]

once you have enough time rot chance to acutally apply the aliment yeah

[rancid lantern]

Viper Tail might be a worthy lp3

[rancid lantern]

i'm not too concerned.

[turbid dome]

fair

[rancid lantern]

as long as you get at least 100% on hit you're fine

[turbid dome]

assuming your using a skill that hits quickly yea

or doesn't have charges

[alpine canopy]

Yes, but do you have any source of this that applies to void skills in general?

Pretty sure none exists

[alpine canopy]

Slow chance will be better if you don't need more application chance, since TR chance is easier to get (at least currently)

[lone flicker]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/nsantos06/character/VoidKnightS my character now, after a few updates

[analog steppe]

Chance to Slow on Hit should count globally for that passive right? in addition to Chance to Slow With Void Skills

I wonder if that includes the Chance to Slow on Hit affix that can go on melee weapons

[alpine canopy]

Yes, both generic slow chance and slow chance for void skills will work

[analog steppe]

seems like those have equal potential value on idols

60% slow on void hit
30% time rot on hit

both available on the suffix of 3x1 and 4x1 idols

so it would be good to stack them til those multipliers are equal overall

[lone flicker]

@waxen nymph @turbid dome

[turbid dome]

does rot grip not count skill specific slow chance?

[analog steppe]

has to be global

[turbid dome]

beans

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, you basically will just want whichever you have less of. Which will likely be slow, but it'll depend

[alpine canopy]

Nope

[waxen nymph]

Looks sweet

[rancid lantern]

I think ideally, TR% is better cause then you can concentrate 12 stacks in fewer, meatier hits

[waxen nymph]

Next step imo would be changing the Belt

The Throwing Leech Blessing dont work on Bleed Applied by Hammer Throw btw @lone flicker

[lone flicker]

lmao I cant kill heorot

this cold damage when hes moving always kill me

[waxen nymph]

Black Sun Blessing coul be > Hp, Leech Rate or Crit Multi (for the gloves conversion)

[lone flicker]

and the belt

[waxen nymph]

2 ways to go about it imo
Thorn Slinger Unique with lp

Praetorian Belt for extra Armor

How is your Mana situation ?

Because Flat Throwing could be replaced by Mana Regen

Btw Smite Crit Multi doesnt work for the Gloves Conversion

Only Global Crit Multi

[lone flicker]

3 mana cost

what i should look on lp for belt?

[waxen nymph]

Hp,Hp, Phys Dmg

[lone flicker]

anything more

[waxen nymph]

Well thats already a 3lp belt

[alpine canopy]

Ideally you will get enough TR chance to do that without losing your slow chance

You can get a lot of TR chance in some cases too just by having a conversion from something else. It won't count toward the multiplier this way, but would let you get your stacks in fewer hits

[winter copper]

cleanse, everything else is secondary

[waxen nymph]

Maybe Shield Rush Forge Guard with Torkegin + Flayers Pride could be a thing

Did they change smth to Shield Rush ?

I tried it a bit, and did not fall through the maps; didnt get stuck. Nothing

[vivid talon]

last I tried it was fine for mobility but still broke if you spammed it for damage, you had to time your presses

[waxen nymph]

@winter copper I need your guidance
Jasper + Shield +Shield Rush
Stonks or Bonks ?

[winter copper]

cant use jasper+sheild

sadly

[lone flicker]

they should give some love to sentinel movement skills

[winter copper]

would be insane

q.q

but tbf that build doesnt even need shield u can get around 50% block chance from RoS buff and sigils and passives

so its pretty beefy already

[waxen nymph]

Shoot, forgot about that

[scenic gyro]

so many dreams shattered pre 2.0
alot of people trying to get set legendaries, cant blame em

[waxen nymph]

Thats the time rot we need to make it viable

[scenic gyro]

imagine you could yoink stats from enemies like armor on shield throw

[waxen nymph]

Is she talking about the auto cast walking node ?

[elder frost]

that would be awesome 😄

[winter copper]

yes

[waxen nymph]

Cant wait for thoses damn patch notes

So we can have updated planner

[winter copper]

also i dont think its discussed much, but it seems we will be getting some mana sustain on orbs, was rewatching karvs leaks and noticed this thing https://www.twitch.tv/ghazzytv/clip/CaringPatientDelicataCurseLit-cv4M34Jja4511-Rw

look at his mana

[waxen nymph]

There was Mana Regen in the tree before

But thats a lot of mana

[winter copper]

no look it bumps up

thats not mana regen

unless its kinda server lag but i never seen such lags

it also could be VR node

cause he gained mana around the time he telported

[elder frost]

so, from what i saw in slow motion, its on the instant he presses D

does that skill has refund or something rn?

[winter copper]

not afaik

[elder frost]

actually, its not even speced, so its not from that skill tree

[winter copper]

🧐

u mean vr?

[analog steppe]

I mean it sends you back in time

[elder frost]

D was a red shield, i think its hield charge

[analog steppe]

On the second part of the combo

[winter copper]

but he didnt use 2nd combo

he just teleported

[elder frost]

vr also dont have specs on nodes that we havent seen tho

[winter copper]

so its orbs probably

[analog steppe]

Are you sure with that? I know at one point he specs out of the second combo part

[elder frost]

im seeing the video misha sent

[winter copper]

ya i think the clip is after he specced into that

[analog steppe]

But before then he is showing off the teleport forwards, then combo back to the location

[waxen nymph]

https://youtu.be/JwFHzzz6zBE?si=v1D91oLIy2cyPdrN&t=3362

I went to the begnning of the Sentinel Section

Unspecced VR is free

Looks like there is either a refund mecanic or he has a metric ton of Regen

[winter copper]

well we see his normal regen

[waxen nymph]

https://youtu.be/JwFHzzz6zBE?si=v1D91oLIy2cyPdrN&t=3362

Made a clip

Oh I see what you mean

[winter copper]

🧐

[waxen nymph]

When he tp the mana go boop

Did not notice until now

[winter copper]

Ya but i think at that point we saw what tree for vr he used

Gonna check again at home

[waxen nymph]

We see is

There is nothing about Mana

Btw Future Strike Icon for the VR combo

[winter copper]

Lol ya

Hopefully we get notes soon reee

[elder frost]

ill assume its something on the tree that gives mana on traversal =d

[waxen nymph]

Its when he press Shield Rush it looks like

[elder frost]

he didnt press shield rush

both are traversal

[waxen nymph]

True !

[elder frost]

i assumed it was shield rush first also lmao

[waxen nymph]

There is a tick on one dummy for 30k with Time Rot I assume

Quite funny

[elder frost]

those were the nodes allocated on the clip for VR

[waxen nymph]

Later he shows the Lightning Javelins and drain a lot of Mana

He uses VR but the mana doesnt boop up

[elder frost]

btw, vlad i have a question about the shield rush node, because on slow motion, pretty sure he used, but theres no charge for it

on the YT video it would be 56:41

[waxen nymph]

I think you get Mana back per DOrb consumed, or when a Dorb end

[elder frost]

it has to be shield charge

could other people check also

the time is too perfect there to not be shield charge

[waxen nymph]

When he uses VR, it put Shield Rush on CD too, and "use" the charge

I guess you cant have a Charge and be on CD at the same time

It happens again at 1.01.26

[analog steppe]

It could definitely be related to dorbs expiring from the jump forwards in time

[waxen nymph]

They are not expiring from the jump

But from being consumed by another cast

[elder frost]

damn, im getting way too hyped, need to tone down =d

[alpine canopy]

Would be fun if we got some "while spinning" node on the orbit path like we have for RoS. I did notice a new node branching off the node that's changing into the autocast node.

Node node node

[waxen nymph]

I want some answers 😬

[winter copper]

He showed base mana cost is 6 or smth didnt he

[waxen nymph]

Who are theses guys

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[winter copper]

This one is moved base crit

[waxen nymph]

True, didnt recognise it

[winter copper]

Same for your pic top right ciclr

Is ricochet node

[waxen nymph]

Surely, might be just extra ricochet since the shape changed ?

[winter copper]

Idk im not hyped much abt shield throw

It needs 200% more dmg to be competirve with hammers

[waxen nymph]

I feel like a Cooldown version with Shield Bash would be cool

[winter copper]

Monka

[waxen nymph]

Can you get the More Dmg per Charge if you remove the CD ?

In Shield Bash ?

[winter copper]

I hate that even with delay we wont get patchnotes early

._.

I think it clarifies on alt twxt

That its useless

Shield bash will be good dps regardless

It already is

[waxen nymph]

Have to open the game

[waxen nymph]

That because you play a good build 😈

Bleed Shield Bash+ Throw CD Torkefin + Slayer

[winter copper]

...

Overcooked chef

[waxen nymph]

Trust

[waxen nymph]

Doesnt say on the tooltip

Doesnt work though

Alright 1.30am time for bed

Good night

[waxen nymph]

6 freaking second cd on Shield Throw though

[alpine canopy]

It better do giga big damage to justify that cooldown 😅

[waxen nymph]

Comes with 100% More Dmg
Behind that node there is 4 extra bounces, can bounce off you, 80% Phys Pen and a node I don't know what he does (looks like Lunge with 2pts)

[spring pollen]

what could you realistically reduce the cooldown to with CDR affixes you think?

[turbid dome]

from just suffixes (no implicits)

T7 Increased cooldown recovery speed suffixes on boots and belt
32% each ->64% total

sentinel could then add the Augury Helm for another 10% increased cooldown recovery speed

and Ascetic Gloves for another 12%

2 Opal rings for 10% increased cooldown recovery speed each for 20%

that should be it without a specific unique for it

[spring pollen]

Ok cool. And the formula is CD/(1+CDR%) right? so 6sec/(1+64%+20%) (assuming just rings, belt, boots) would be 3.26sec for shield throw

[turbid dome]

just note that every 100% increased cooldown recovery speed halves your cooldown

so an 8 second cooldown becomes 4 with 100%, at 200% its a 2 second cooldown, 300% its a 1 second cooldown

[turbid dome]

that seems roughly correct

tho note any nodes on the tree itself are considered innate to the skill, equipment stats are added afterwards

[spring pollen]

Ah ok cool

[turbid dome]

so like with 100% increased cooldown recovery speed from items and -1 seconds to the cooldown from a skill tree its

8 - 1 = 7 seconds, then 7 is cut in half to 3.5 seconds of cooldown

[spring pollen]

Ok great!

[winter copper]

I did it, F this harbinger 😤

[turbid dome]

[winter copper]

i found counterplay to stupid oneshotting void orbs

you save 2 charges of rebuke and spam erasing strike with overleech from ravaging aura, when he spawns orbs you channel 2 rebukes in a row and keep leeching from es echoes

[rustic mortar]

Making a rice void knight and is pretty fun lol

[winter copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2HvgJCZdRc

frenzied harbi down, orbs no longer an issue

[robust lake]

5k corruption next goal

[winter copper]

i can do 3k if i get titan heart i think

but real push next season, just chill practice now

[robust lake]

haven't seen chonkier ppl than myself in ages ure like 225 hp above me

tips fedora

[winter copper]

well real tankiness is rebuke abuse+overleech from rav aura

gear is whatever

[robust lake]

I friggin hate rebuke. I'm a block boi

[winter copper]

block flops on this harbi from 1 void orb

no dot mitigation

but tbf only erasing strike and manifest armro can abuse rebuke to full extend

[robust lake]

my max was like 2128 cor or something but yh it gets hairy sometimes :s

[winter copper]

were u killing harbis too ?

[robust lake]

ya

[winter copper]

or just mono boss+orobyss

noice

[robust lake]

champ regalia with 40% void taken as phys does wonders :D

[winter copper]

next season easy on vk with dot nerf+new passive

[robust lake]

can swap in orian too but thats overkill

[chilly peak]

There's tons of boss abilities that would stop me with most chars before 2k 😄
Fat harbis void orb would not be among those ^^

[robust lake]

cant wait to farm up good auroras and proper exalts again xD

[winter copper]

idk it was the only ability that kills me on fat harbi, the orbs completely random if 2 spawns on u, its onetap

tho a lot of times i died to just 1 orb idk why tbh

[robust lake]

ye they hurt

they start ticking before animation, or that might've just been my ping lmao

[chilly peak]

Ye they hurt, but usually you can guesstimate when he makes them.
I would have hold back by Orobyss earlier usually ^^

[robust lake]

just spawn him until easy combo roflmao

[winter copper]

ya but guessing doesnt really help cause the placement completely random on arena, its not a big chance but its always there

[robust lake]

gotta love how they spawn if ure close to a wall or any other terrain - literally just clusterfk bam dead

[winter copper]

with rebuke i can precast it when he casts it and then roll out and surive on leech

next one is frenzied lagon

kekekeke

done all others

[robust lake]

[winter copper]

🙂

[robust lake]

that bish gonna do her purple slice like every 2 seconds

[winter copper]

purple is fine, fire not fine

😰

[robust lake]

you got it :)

#balib

[winter copper]

i hate that arena

[little crystal]

That attack is maybe bugged, it always hits twice

[potent remnant]

guys, do we have any leaks about sentinel changes?

[waxen nymph]

Check the pinned comment

Most of them are there

[potent remnant]

ah thats all of them?

[waxen nymph]

~https://youtu.be/JwFHzzz6zBE?si=lk79LGBQh3R17iN5&t=3294

Here there are more from the podcast

[potent remnant]

ok thank you very much!

[umbral breach]

@waxen nymph What do you think about sentinel "Axe throw" passive for crit phys javelin. We can hit multiple times so 1 point would be enough to get 1 extra projectile with 1 sec cooldown (more armor shred?)

[waxen nymph]

Not bad if you dont have extra passives pts

Or try to reach Blademaster (if not using a Spear)

But 1 Hit per Second with any More Dmg on it > Meh

[alpine canopy]

It's free hits for 1 passive, imo it's more valuable on builds that aren't already mainly throwing attacks or ones that use smite idols

It can kinda fling out to far away packs and proc a bunch of smites and reproc itself sometimes, which is fun

[waxen nymph]

@alpine canopy Sorry for the ping
I am not sure what Mike means but Keen Outlook does nothing with Siege Barrage

[waxen nymph]

@cerulean sorrel @gusty abyss

Sorry it was a Q not a G

[cerulean sorrel]

Ahh

[waxen nymph]

Skyqula would you mind showing you Warpath Smite Build

[cerulean sorrel]

I am intrigued

[scenic gyro]

if you want to get an idea how it could look
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omnvgryA

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (35) / Forge Guard (10) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 2,714, Regen: 45.2/s
▸ Mana: 242.43, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 15 Att / 28 Vit
▸ Resistances: 168% / 123% / 107% / 95% / 110% / 98% / 98%
▸ EHP: 5,899 / 5,899 / 5,618 / 6,406 / 6,567 / 5,517 / 5,302

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 613
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,398)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (26)
• Javelin (22)
• Smite (25)
• Holy Aura (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Null Portent
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Ravenous Void
• Oceareon
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Omnis
• Vortex Pennant

[cerulean sorrel]

Is the 3 times per second per sword if you dual wielded?

Or would both swords share the same limitation?

[scenic gyro]

internal cooldowns are shared, you cant have more than 3 per second

but with 2 swords you would have up to 92% chance to proc it, the chance to trigger adds up

but there is really no point to that if you are already capping out on the procs

[cerulean sorrel]

Yeah

That's sad but understandable XD

[gusty abyss]

Profile: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/skyqula/character/Smite

In action: https://imgur.com/a/j5YSvsS

Also check out my voidwinter char for the void version

[cerulean sorrel]

Thank you

[river sierra]

Is the new lightning node working with siege barrage bait?

Feel like u would be fine with smite idols for clear

[alpine canopy]

If you're running any build that can use lightning smite (lightning crit, electrify, bleed, maybe void), you don't need splitting - though it will probably still make the clear smoother if you can fit it in.
On other builds, you'll need it to have decent clear imo.

[noble zenith]

why not both?

[alpine canopy]

Only reasons you might not want both are: it costs a lot of skill points, costs mana, and requires lightning conversion. Alternatively, locked to using the exiled mage spear.

[muted cloud]

Yoho,

VK is also getting some changes, right? If so, how much +-corruption is doable with some above-average geared VK warpath?

[waxen nymph]

We dont know how big the changes are going to be, Passives trees might be completely differents
Dont know how much extra Dmg Effect Warpath is getting aswell

Really hard to say

[muted cloud]

Fair I think I might still give it another try, Ive only lvled VK wp till like lv73, cleared few normal monos and kinda left it there... But in 1.2 I'd like to try pushing it into some higher corruption and also try how much area of effect I can get to make wp as big as possible

[noble zenith]

Ok thanks for the answer

[turbid dome]

From what we’ve seen so far, vk can be significantly tankier

[torn ice]

How high corruption do you get with those two builds?

[gusty abyss]

I focus on speed farming, not pushing. But generally doing ~ 1k-1.2k C with paladin. Havent quite solved defense on the void version, I think it was doing 600C, lacking defense, not offense.

[torn ice]

pretty nice, may I ask why Logi's hunter is on the paladin?

[gusty abyss]

Leech, base crit

Not a whole lot of leech options, could grab blessing but it is not quite as strong

Could also grab bleeding heart and aim for 3LP I guess.

But then you dont get the base crit

[torn ice]

i see thanks, could I make a fresh character on cof or do i need some pre uniques to follow that build?

[gusty abyss]

I always start my chars out how I want to play them. RoA palarus early and this build is good to go from start to finish.

I would take javalin into battle standard and smite untill you have vortex pennant with 2-3 smite idols though.

[torn ice]

Nice thanks

[gusty abyss]

Oh, and remember to grab those quest reward gloves (Avarice) early for your leech

[muted cloud]

Yea this looks super sweat... could combo it with Ravenous Void maybe?

[scenic gyro]

should stack ye

[torn ice]

ah ye good idea

[turbid dome]

And forgotten knights shield

[scenic gyro]

thats kinda absurd dmg reduction no? if you manage to cap block

but im sure they have changed forgotten knight considering that passive

aint no way they leave it like that

aberoth as vk gonna be a piece of cake

[halcyon yoke]

have you seen the block effectiveness on that shield?
you could get one with 2500, like uhkeiros, instead of 200-300, which would have a similar effect but on everything, not just void damage (and converted elemental)

[scenic gyro]

🤷‍♂️ everything is reworked/revised so cant rly say how it ends up being after patch, but worth keeping an eye on

[halcyon yoke]

ofc, point is, this isnt something that is "omg that's way too OP" if you compare to what's in the game right now

[gusty abyss]

2050 block effectiveness is 50% reduction, to get that again you need 6550. VK shield isn't bad, especially as a starter honestly

[scenic gyro]

there is no point comparing a post patch passive with pre patch items guys ^^ just the added reduction with that passive sounded funny

[alpine canopy]

They've shown us the full FK set already

[analog steppe]

The fun part is going to be reforging the set shield onto a shield with actually decent block effectiveness

[alpine canopy]

It's not much different

[scenic gyro]

when where

[halcyon yoke]

we have 0 clue if we'll get the affix "-50% void damage taken on block" as a set affix

[analog steppe]

He had the set items equipped during the ghazzy interview gameplay segment

[alpine canopy]

In the latest video with Karv, I posted a summary of the changes above somewhere

[gusty abyss]

I don't expect the void reduction on block to transfer, honestly

[noble zenith]

quick question about future electrify javelin build, do you think we will still play Tu'ranis spear ( that convert javelin to lightning ) since we will take divine throw that already convert javelin to lightning ?

[alpine canopy]

iirc the change to the shield was just gave it higher block chance

[analog steppe]

Why not? I would expect most set items to transfer their actually unique lines rather than the random parts

[scenic gyro]

naaah thats not gonna happen

[analog steppe]

Like the whole point of set reforging is to make set items used right…

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, like the timerot lines?

[scenic gyro]

yea but not with the most op stat, they have specific hybrid stats for set forging

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, hopefully they transfer some time rot stuff

[analog steppe]

My guess is that it would come along with the void reduction line and a time rot chance line, obviously we don’t know for sure but that’s what makes the most sense to me

We know it will be a hybrid affix line with 2 things on it

[halcyon yoke]

@scenic gyro #🔱┃sentinel message

nice nerf

(this is maximum rolls)

[alpine canopy]

Thanks!

[halcyon yoke]

the 2p nerf was announced, and the shield is buffed

[scenic gyro]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[halcyon yoke]

i can see builds using it, but definitely not in the OP category, we have some pretty stupid builds going around ;p

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the set bonus took a minor hit, but we'll definitely get a lot of additional stuff elsewhere

[analog steppe]

There’s no doubt that the set was good with the new timerot passive changes, and that’s the reason for the 2p nerf

[scenic gyro]

if you are block based thats a pretty good item to swap to for void fights

[halcyon yoke]

or elemental

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I think VK is going to be very good at a lot of end game stuff due to how much void damage there is

Weaver type enemies will be a mixed bag though, much less void focus

Still, elemental + physical will probably be the bulk

[scenic gyro]

well with the passive you get ele and with rv phy conversion

into void

[halcyon yoke]

physical conversion is 10-15%

so you get 6-9% DR

[gusty abyss]

phys to void is actually a nerf though

[halcyon yoke]

and with the armor

[gusty abyss]

armour is much stronger for phys

[halcyon yoke]

might not even be good

[scenic gyro]

yeeeeaaaa true

[halcyon yoke]

elemental conversion is like a 30% DR on elemental

if you block

[scenic gyro]

at which % armor would that be worse then, we still get 15% mitigation through rv stacks

[gusty abyss]

Oh, RV is still a defense up, just that the phys to void is not a good thing.

[spring pollen]

Can someone remind me.... block only works on "hits" correct? Do we know if any extra DoT or ailment damage reduction was added for sentinel? I remember that being a weak spot for us.

[halcyon yoke]

they are heavily nerfing dots in 1.2, and sentinel has a lot of "armor works on dot"

[alpine canopy]

Right. Enemy DOT is being reduced globally by about 15%

[halcyon yoke]

and dot corruption scaling reduced by 50%

[spring pollen]

Fantastic, thanks guys

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the corruption thing is huge

[halcyon yoke]

what you might want to know is how much boss stuff is unblockable/undodgeable
but someone who played more recently than me should answer that ;p

[alpine canopy]

Only DOTs are unblockable

But there are a good number of DOTs

[halcyon yoke]

ah, i had a memory some skills went through, but maybe it's only dodge and not block

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, there are some hits that are undodgeable

[halcyon yoke]

remember how parry is? like dodge or block?

[alpine canopy]

It's like block in that nothing avoids it aside from DOT, but it's hard capped at 75%?

[halcyon yoke]

it is, yes

[alpine canopy]

No way to even get close to cap so far, one of the new uniques might get us a little closer

[halcyon yoke]

but i had theorycrafted something some time ago that had 75% parry and 85% dodge
add wall of nothing
3.15% chance to get hit ;p

[spring pollen]

Does parry reduce the incoming hit to 0? Or a %DR?

[halcyon yoke]

0

but it is a hit so you can take ailments/dots from it

[turbid dome]

Parry makes the hit do 0 damage (basically path of exile block)but it’s much rarer, caps at 75% and of the current live patch there’s no way to reach 75% parry chance

[spring pollen]

Ok very cool. So would it potentially be better than block (if it become less rare) because for block we need to stack 2 stats (chance and effectiveness)?

[winter copper]

no

u can get 100% block that makes it better than parry will ever be

[gusty abyss]

Same reason 50% crit damage reduction is better than 50% crit avoidance

[scenic gyro]

also all the block/shield interactions/support in passives

[spring pollen]

Ok very cool. Thanks all.

[noble zenith]

am i the only one that dont understand why Tu'ranis base stats increase Melee dmg while the weapon is related to a throwing skill ?

[gusty abyss]

Javalin scales with melee damage from spears

[halcyon yoke]

depends how you define better
avoidance vs mitigation has always been a huge debate, especially for very high corruption
being able to tank stuff up to a point, then fall over or never take damage until you get randomly one-shot but infinite scaling

[noble zenith]

really? that would explain it, but why in last epoch tool it's not scaling with it ?

[spring pollen]

Its in the skill tooltip text

[noble zenith]

oh ok

thanks you guys @gusty abyss@spring pollen

[scenic gyro]

still odd tbh, they could have item bases with flat throw dmg

[spring pollen]

Yeah its a good point. I wasnt thinking about it from that perspective. Was thinking more from an affix budget point of view. But i understand better now. I have always preferred mitigation over avoidance because im have slow reactions lol so any sudden damage spikes are not good for me 😛

I guess the crit multi implicit wouldnt do anything for javelin too as it specifies Melee 😮

[turbid dome]

I kinda like the current system for it cause it makes you build differently than weapon with biggest damage number

Just get big damage number on rings, belt, amulet, gloves, relic

[scenic gyro]

idk, putting flat throw on everything except weapons feels like a bad bandaid

it's not a niche playstyle, we got alot of throwing stuff in the game

[gusty abyss]

It changes how you look at weapons though

[scenic gyro]

as it should?

[gusty abyss]

You dont care about the flat damage or the melee related affixes. Instead you care about the other implicit stats and things like %increased damage, crit chance/multi.

Basically it adds value to weapons that would otherwise never be considered

[turbid dome]

Yeah

Like I love using those like lvl 40 base daggers with generic flat crit on throwing builds

Better example, for a hammer smite build

[alpine canopy]

But if you can cap parry with that one axe... 25% chance to take damage, 75% chance to heal to full instead 😂
Not reliable against 1 shots but still pretty solid

[scenic gyro]

Javelin is not bound to spear

[hallow herald]

yea nvm

[analog ingot]

I dont suppose they've said if they're going to reveal sential changes before the s2 launch or not, have they?

[analog steppe]

There will be plenty of stuff revealed over the weeks before the launch, patch notes won’t be until a few days before

[analog ingot]

So maybe some of the bigger changes but not the minutiae/numbers/etc

[analog steppe]

We’ve already seen quite a few skill nodes/ passives

[turbid dome]

A lot of the already teased things are pinned in this chat

[analog ingot]

Some cool looking stuff, I am jonsing to make builds for s2 sentinel

I'm hoping for a cool shadow beacon build

[turbid dome]

With the new dorb stuff I bet you can

[waxen nymph]

Also go check Ghazzy yt, he had a podcast with Mike and Karv (2 devs). There is a LOT of juicy stuffs shown for Sentinel

[analog steppe]

I wonder if Shadow Beacon kind of loses its niche with the new Volatile Reversal rework

since the unique effect of teleporting your dorbs somewhere is shared

[turbid dome]

I’m viewing it as I have 2 skills to move my dorbs around with

More consistent dorb movement 👍

[uneven gorge]

Dorb haulage 👍

[turbid dome]

Dorb 👍

[scenic gyro]

sounds alot like yarp

https://tenor.com/view/yarp-hot-fuzz-gif-12386003

[latent ferry]

simlish

[autumn ridge]

Hi guys!! Just got amazing help in previous as general room. And wondered if any could advise help with going melee. Really keen to try it and any help, suggestions would be great. Cheers

[turbid dome]

What mastery and skill are you interested in?

[autumn ridge]

Haven’t started class at all yet mate !

So will be totally from scratch 🙏😀

[turbid dome]

If your thinking about sentinel and void knight,

• Rive
• Erasing Strike
• Void cleave

Is a solid set up that’s fairly easy to combo together

Rive (when comboed with the time and faith node in base sentinel) provides a lot of damage, healing and mana regeneration

Erasing strike is a giant bonk that does a ton of damage

[autumn ridge]

Excellent mate, so it’s great to level with, can clear monos / endgame easily !!? Strong setup ??

[turbid dome]

Void cleave is the best movement skill currently (with a passive tree node to enable it)

It can also make your next erasing strike a guaranteed crit

[turbid dome]

This sorta vk can, it starts to fall off in empowered monos, but it does transition great into infinite erasing strike vk

But it gets there on very crummy gear

[autumn ridge]

Wow matec really appreciate you messaging

[turbid dome]

The absolute strongest leveling build for sentinel is using hammer throw (but that’s not melee)

The biggest thing is to always be upgrading your weapon

Biggest implicit damage and always craft as much flat void damage onto it as possible

[autumn ridge]

Excellent and thanks so much again, really appreciated

[turbid dome]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqZwZZ5B

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (36) / Void Knight (77)

General:

▸ Health: 3,221, Regen: 149.6/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 65 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 76% / 62% / 88% / 110% / 65% / 65%
▸ EHP: 7,592 / 7,971 / 7,054 / 15,305 / 7,971 / 7,247 / 7,247

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 644
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,682)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Erasing Strike (22)
• Rebuke (22)
• Lunge (20)

Used unique items:

• Apathy's Maw
• Darkstride

[turbid dome]

this is my go to plan for leveling on vk

tho in general you will need to swap to volitile reversal (giga damage boost) and triggered on melee hit healing hands (giga not die) for the current patch

[autumn ridge]

Amazing mate band ty! Can you PM me that at all!??

[turbid dome]

VK loves 💖 vitality as each point gives a ton of stats

[turbid dome]

ye

[autumn ridge]

Just in case I loose thread

[turbid dome]

sent it

also the math for echos is basically %chance to do double damage... but

• the echo can miss
• the echo crits independently of you
• you can get increased echo dmg

but to make life easy I just pretend its %chance to do double damage

[autumn ridge]

Amazing mated really amazing support. Ty!

[rancid lantern]

i wanna check something with you guys regarding ailments

Suppose I have 100% time rot chance with shield rush.

and I use the repeat which does plenty more damage

once i hit 12 times with the second hit before theey expire, do the weaker hits count?

or do 12 strongest time rots apply at any given time?

[clever hazel]

currently the most recently applied ailment "wins" IIRC, not an ideal system for time rot 🤔

so if you applied 12 really really strong time rots, and then immediately applied 12 more really weak ones, your time rot DPS would be 💩

[alpine canopy]

When you apply a new stack of an ailment while it's at max stacks, the oldest one is removed to make room for the new one.

[rancid lantern]

That's a bit of a bummer @clever hazel

Considering Shield Rush

for Time rot

is it 50/50 between its base damage and "final hit"?

or can you make it exclusively "final hit" ?

Basically if you spam shield rush real fast

can you avoid hitting the enemy with the non-final hit portion?

and only hit them with the final hit?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

You just spam click like a degenerate ^^

Quite easy

[clever hazel]

I'm not sure, I've never played Shield Rush as a damaging ability

always found that ping-pong effect too annoying to commit to the idea

same reason I'm immensely glad volatile reversal is getting a redesign, actually

[inland quarry]

you spamclick it and then you freeze-in-place till you die.

even if you manage to get out of it, you will not be able to use shield rush for some odd reason.

[scenic gyro]

sounds like the perfect amount of yank

[inland quarry]

shield rush spam is bugged atm. unplayable.

[waxen nymph]

Tried it 2 days ago was pretty smooth

Played online for 1h or so

[last ember]

What void knight and paladin builds are good right now ?

[turbid dome]

for vk theres a few, the best is probably infinite erasing strike

world splitter (Unique axe) + 100% crit chance + no cooldown erasing strike + void well = infinite mana and smacks

[inland quarry]

i hear its fixed in season 2, but currently I can't kill bosses with shield rush.

he suddenly stops, and even if i roll out of it, he just doesn't attack anymore, and does so once every 5 seconds instead.

and then gets stuck again....

[vivid talon]

I'll believe it's fixed when I see it, was meant to be fixed three times already or something

[alpine canopy]

Shield rush no longer has the ability to instantly recharge - fixed!

[scenic gyro]

i swear, i have 0 stats on my gear and falconer is oneshotting everything in normal monos
the amount of gear and sweat i have to put into sentinel to make stuff work meanwhile every other class .... 👀

[cerulean sorrel]

Falconer just works

[waxen nymph]

Falconer is op

[scenic gyro]

i'd love sentinel to be this unbalanced at least for 1 season

in a positive kinda way

[junior wren]

sentinel doesn't oneshot everything in normal monos?

[scenic gyro]

Without any gear? The difference in power is extremely noticeable

And it's not even close

[muted cloud]

Its not a real class, dont worry about it

[junior wren]

I don't care about the difference in power, we all know falconer is broken OP. But that doesn't change the fact that you can oneshot mobs in normal monos. For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-RkHuksmw0

[crude dune]

yeah erasing strike is clunky, did it ssf hc, void cleave bug just make your char freeze and you can't moove or attack, "dodge" and "crit avoid" mono affixe just ruin the build, Itemization is so hard (aberroth loot)

But it's a VERY fun "melee" build with a lot of aoe late game

+1 should NOT compare falconner and warlock (new classes) with ohter old classes

[junior wren]

if by "void cleave bug" you mean the bug when you aim a skill at an impassable area of the map and your character freezes, then that's not a void cleave specific bug, and you can simply aim better

and afaik you don't need any abberoth loot to run erasing or void cleave

[turbid dome]

Void cleave + erasing strike + rive is 100% viable without worldsplitter

It works great on crappy gear

[crude dune]

i farmed 120h can't get a good weapon (splitter or apathy's), damages was low BUT i was in HC maxing defenses ; didn't do the rive version

[crude dune]

yeah i noticed Traversal / movvement skills just " bug freeze" sometimes

[turbid dome]

rive just fills in while void cleave and erasing strike is on cooldown with good damage + triggering time and faith (base sentinel tree)

tho sentinel is a little bit of a hard sell for HC

[junior wren]

why?

[turbid dome]

comparatively small max hit when considering other class options

[junior wren]

well, which class would you recommend for "maxing defenses" as kiwi put it

[turbid dome]

a ward based class

[junior wren]

Sentinel has ward

[turbid dome]

yes, not anywhere near as much as a sorc can sustain

[crude dune]

I felt Erasing strike was pretty good for HC Life absed, i just miss a bit of damage / skill to kill abberoth and Julra T4 : here my build : https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omO9WrqQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 3,207, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 1,241.35, Regen: 13.18/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 75% / 97% / 72% / 76% / 73% / 73%
▸ EHP: 9,556 / 9,543 / 9,556 / 15,138 / 9,556 / 9,383 / 9,383

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 870
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,868)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)
• Volatile Reversal (22)
• Void Cleave (22)
• Anomaly (22)
• Abyssal Echoes (22)

Used unique items:

• Seed of Ekkidrasil
• World Splitter
• Shattered Chains
• Darkstride
• Oceareon
• Siphon of Anguish
• Nihilis
• Anchor of Oblivion

This build has a guide:

Erasing Strike World Splitter Build Guide & Gameplay | LE 1.1 by wander

[turbid dome]

theres a reason why ward retention from int is gonna be 2% per point next patch instead of the current 4%

[crude dune]

That's true ward is better, but Erasing + Leech +4-5k hp felt enought

[junior wren]

sorry, but Sorc has nowhere near as much defenses as Sentinel. Ward is great for "bigger number better", but when you actually take 1-2 hits it disappears

[turbid dome]

thats how it works

ward has a giant max hit and (most of the time) is harder to sustain

[junior wren]

that's how it works when you're a high Ward glass cannon.

[turbid dome]

life has a smaller max hit and is easier to sustain

[junior wren]

Try doing Ward on a high armor + high block Sentinel 🙂

[crude dune]

Armor and DoT mitig is hard lategame and mandatory

[turbid dome]

I did when healing hands was busted

[turbid dome]

yea thats why enemy dots are being rebalanced in 1.2

[junior wren]

and we're getting some new options iirc

[turbid dome]

yeah after the update sentinel's defense is gonna be a lot more rounded out

[crude dune]

i need of "covenent of dominion" and "ruby slammer" nerf :p

[crude dune]

didn't save my hc char ;'( but divine bolt was busted

[turbid dome]

but ruby slam jam loves singing the space jam theme song

[turbid dome]

🫂

[crude dune]

For a weirdly tanky build, i have a lot of succes with Lich

just don't play aura of decay in hc

[spring pollen]

Question from someone who is never played HC: if you die does your character go to regular or it is lost forever?

[turbid dome]

Lich is basically begging to be a low life ward build with all the int at the cost of hp regen/degen nodes

[turbid dome]

last I played HC it gets booted to legacy

i think?

it was a while ago for me/at the og start of the current season

[waxen nymph]

It goes to Softcore of whatever mode you are playing

[turbid dome]

ah

also hi vlad

[spring pollen]

Awesome thanks guys

[noble zenith]

Do you guys prefer javelin or hammer for leveling?

[turbid dome]

hammer throw is stronger for leveling, but if you like using javelin go use it

neither are gonna fall off

tbh they use mostly the same gear so it wouldn't be hard to try out both

see which you like more

[waxen nymph]

Javelin Holy Trail is good, but Hammer Bleed for lvling is probably the best on any Sentinel

[noble zenith]

yeah like i though hammer still a bit better, i think i will stay with this, thanks guys

[scenic gyro]

found the edge of the lagon arena :^)

[turbid dome]

Hey