🔱┃sentinel

[fast grotto]

thank you!

[gusty abyss]

!

[quiet hearth]

why? it served no purpose or reason in a game where you can change everything else whenever you want/need to

[waxen nymph]

I like the idea of making a Forge Guard / Paladin or a Vk

Now it feels less unique

But I am glad for everyone else

[turbid dome]

yoooo

[waxen nymph]

I know it was really requested

[quiet hearth]

It was an arbitrary wall to increase play time, nothing more. You can literally still just play it the same way and it's like nothing has changed.

[waxen nymph]

Agree to disagree

[quiet hearth]

It just adds an option, but sure

[turbid dome]

I agree that it helped make characters more unique to each other when you couldn't mastery swap

but in terms of quality of life and as someone who is busy with college + work I like the mastery swap

mastery swap 👍

[quiet hearth]

You can just choose not to use it and play the same, and we still dont know what it takes to unlock that option. For all we know you gotta beat the new uber to do it

Which would be kinda funny ngl

[turbid dome]

ye

or if theres some sort of downside to it

[quiet hearth]

I doubt it sees a downside, there's no reason for it to have one, but definitely for me who likes to do dumb things, it makes limit testing so much easier.

I'm really curious though about which skill changes stick, and which ones dont work.

[fast grotto]

Also really love it

I've never heard a good argument to make decisions like these final, or not giving people respecs

[quiet hearth]

Right, at the end of the day it's just an opinion, at the end of the day we should be arguing over something important, like why Soul Feast was given to Warlock without a replacement.

[gusty abyss]

Or how high that champion affix smite on throw can go

And if it can go on something other than mace

Like sceptre

That would free up so many idol slots

[quiet hearth]

I missed that one, but yeah, that would be great. We really need that idol rework.

[gusty abyss]

And, ofcourse, if CoF gets a proper boost to champion drops

otherwise it is like nemesis weapons, to rare to be achievable

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, nem weapons being rare, on top of them needing to be in hand to upgrade was not a good idea, which is a shame becuase it's a neat system. Also, I NEED more info on those set shards

[gusty abyss]

I guess that redemption rune could help out with the nemesis weapons. Maybe CoF gets those runes on prophecies?

[waxen nymph]

Crimson Smite looks dope

[gusty abyss]

Feels more in line with phys, like for a bleed stacking buils

[crimson crystal]

I keep seeing people say volatile reversal adds 180% damage but I don't see how?

[waxen nymph]

Thats 90% Inc Dmg taken per hit, and usually you hit twice

[crimson crystal]

isn't that 30% more on hit and 60% more over time?

[waxen nymph]

No since its Increased ,that are additive with each other

[woeful storm]

how can it be counted twice to go from 90 to 180 tho?

[waxen nymph]

And the 1st one is not on Hit, its generic Dmg

[waxen nymph]

Because you create 2 rfits with VR and hit twice applying the debuff twice

[woeful storm]

"enemies hit by" doesnt sound like it will apply twice to me

have anyone actually test this

[waxen nymph]

Yes, and it has been confirmed by devs too

[woeful storm]

doesnt anyone think that's weird

[waxen nymph]

🤷‍♂️

It is what it is but now its gone in a month

[woeful storm]

as it should i guess

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[woeful storm]

i'm pretty sure there are few spamming skills in the game that has a "enemies hit by this take more damage" node on their trees

[waxen nymph]

Thoses nodes are the reason 99.99% of Sentinel take VR

[woeful storm]

according to the logic above that would lead to infinite more damage stack

[waxen nymph]

This has a duration

4 Sec

You cant stack it infinitely

[woeful storm]

yeah but the logic i mean

[turbid dome]

if you had enough CDR yea

[alpine canopy]

The 2.8x damage multiplier that will assuredly be removed in S2 is the reason I am worried for all sentinel DOT builds... but we will see what they do to compensate

[winter copper]

kekw they added smite on weapons which nobody needed to after idols rework

the bleed conversion affix looks really good tho

[grim pagoda]

Are the changes to sentinel out?

[turbid dome]

a bunch of the teased nodes are pinned in this chat

patchnotes are coming like 5 days before the update

[grim pagoda]

tyvm ❤️

the updates in 5 days O.o

oh shit, 1 month 5 days QQ

[turbid dome]

no the patch notes are releasing 5 days before the update, so in like 25 days

[winter copper]

5?

try 2

😏

[turbid dome]

anyways I see pearls of the swine in the compiled image and it gives vitality so thats going on my vk

[grim pagoda]

Hope they made void orbs crazier, that build is hella fun af

[turbid dome]

auto cast dorbs gaming

[grim pagoda]

Autobomber ❤️

[turbid dome]

I mean autocast would super help using it dorbs for the passive buffs from it

c:<

[grim pagoda]

OMG ABYSAL RUSH IS AUTOCASTING

mwahahha

no more numlock f

[turbid dome]

ye

[alpine canopy]

Think they'll drop patch notes on a sunday? Nah, 1 day (edit: I'm blind, day too long, ye 2 days)

(but maybe if we're really nice we'll get them friday the week before, so 5 days)

[polar spire]

lol didnt even realize the trailer dropped and am just now watching it

sentinel rework see's sentinel wielding a 2h mace and shield

time to run that one 2h sword that gives crit stuff based on mana, and then the shield that inreases mana costs by 50%

i love how the sentinel rework in the trailer shows off the weapon that sends all the orbs to wherever you use the one skill, and then no one ever actually used that for its intended effect

oooo a weapon with chance to electrify on hit and chance to cast smite is very big

thats a nice champion affix

[polar spire]

oh interesting, they're allowing mastery respecialization? I remember seeing SO MANY PEOPLE clown on people that they would never add that. I need to go back and find those people so i can clown on them.

[turbid dome]

in the defense of people in the past -> EHG was 100% against it until now

[turbid dome]

you mean worldsplitter the axe?

[polar spire]

yes and yes

[polar spire]

they were also against titans grip/monkey wrench

and now sentinel gets to be D3 crusader

as a wow fury warrior main for many years, this makes me very happy

[turbid dome]

ye

[polar spire]

i had at one time wanted to buy the $1000 pack to see if i could get an item with titans grip, and got denied before i could even buy the pack saying i'd be the 4th person asking for such a thing

AND LOOK AT IT NOW

SENTINEL GONNA GETIT

i think the person who denied me was also that one skull pfp guy that left the project

i mean he was just reiterating what the team felt at that time, but it still amuses me

[turbid dome]

🤔

who?

[polar spire]

I cant remember his name, for all i know he's prob still in here and just not in a staff position

i wanna say it started with an S, if we look at old forum posts from 2-3+ years ago, you'd most likely see his name

[alpine canopy]

sarno?

[polar spire]

maybe? his last post is from 2021 it looks like, so probably

it was nothing against him, i just thought it'd be funny if he saw the latest trailer and how the devs went back on like 2 things

[alpine canopy]

Yeah lol

It's not the first time they've pivoted

[polar spire]

i love the name that immortal supporter changed their name to

[alpine canopy]

But it is one of the more surprising ones

[alpine canopy]

😂 reminds me of when jerle kept getting pinged here

[polar spire]

yup, also feels weird to see vlad as a mod

[alpine canopy]

All that responsibility

[turbid dome]

vlad is our lad

[alpine canopy]

If I had to choose between responsibility and a bean burrito, I'd take the burrito every time

[turbid dome]

wise words

[waxen nymph]

I am 99% in the trailer, when Sentinel uses Erasing Strike, he also makes a little dash forward

[fair hollow]

Sentinel rework + champion affixes, im gonna have a blast with manifest armor 🥳

[past nest]

Isn’t the only viable manifest armor build spamming shield throw

I feel like that thing does no damage otherwise

[fair hollow]

No spell MA is viable aswell

Just doesnt feel as good til you have some specific gear stats

2 hand + shield is gonna be bonkers aswell

Big dmg upgrade while keeping survivability

[waxen nymph]

You are the guy that made a video about Spell MA right ?

[fair hollow]

I did not make a video

Atleast not on youtube

[waxen nymph]

Hum...

[fair hollow]

I do have 2.5k hours in like manifest armor alone

[waxen nymph]

xD

[fair hollow]

Dread has a video from my build from years ago

But thats not the spell version

This is the spell version from 1.0 release a year ago, still unoptimized gear but it shows gameplay look feel

[waxen nymph]

What is the Retaliation Fire thing ?

[fair hollow]

Its a inate skill from manifest armor

It triggers every ~300 flat dmg taken

And also scales from spell dmg

[waxen nymph]

Really ? Never seen it mentioned anywhere

[fair hollow]

Yeah almost no info on it

[fair hollow]

I dont think that is accurate it does not aply fire shred

Atleast not in 1.0

[waxen nymph]

??

Weird

[fair hollow]

Aye

[fair hollow]

The new weaver amulet is gonna be busted on this, free crit multi and penetration, 200% hp regen for man armor is amazing since one belt minion hp regen affix is 200 flat regen already.

Ez 2mil dmg per hit

[inland quarry]

i don't get why people use hammer when going bleed. forged weapons do way more bleed and hit a lot faster than hammers.

[waxen nymph]

Because you get to procc Smite

[inland quarry]

forged weapons used to also proc smite with that one sword. but a few patches ago they secretly removed it. kinda sucks that forged weapons 'use your weapons stats' but don't actually use them. they should instead just say 'use attack stats' instead.

[waxen nymph]

They never procced Smite

[inland quarry]

really? i could've sworn it did but maybe that was just my warpath

[waxen nymph]

Was your Warpath

[winter copper]

inb4 manifest armor is unchanged 😦

[spring pollen]

Is there a post/list of all the new items we know about yet? Or are peeps still going frame by frame in the trailer?

[waxen nymph]

https://imgur.com/a/last-epoch-season-2-tombs-of-erased-trailer-screenshots-RfRAvZK

[turbid dome]

I just want the new vitality amulet

[waxen nymph]

Pearls ?

[turbid dome]

yea

[spring pollen]

Amazing thank you!

[fair hollow]

thats fine the new affixes and gear + sentinel rework itself shouldbe sufficient

[turbid dome]

I hope forged weapons and animated armor can inherit the new affixes

[polar spire]

Friends and i all saw mana guide and now i have 2 people that want to focus funnel me mana while i play forge strike 0 cd spammer

So now i just gotta determine if i wanna play critstrike or bleedstrike

If sentinel rework finally gives us a taunt, like bears have, and besides our ma having it, oh sweet god i'll have so much fun with double focus

[alpine canopy]

Would it really help much? Non-staff 2 handers don't generally have a lot of good spell support, but I guess some have some.

[polar spire]

World edge and the increased mana cost shield with 50+ mana cost smelters

[polar spire]

all the apathy maw vk nerds running bulwark of the last abyss with their favorite axe

hell 2 piece vk set with apathy maw

[alpine canopy]

I was asking about spell MA, world splitter and horns was my first thought on 2h+shield too

[gusty abyss]

2h + shield is FG only though

[polar spire]

but yea bulwark giving 70% void and crit multi

woooooweeeeee

[alpine canopy]

Bleed 2h+flayers is my second thought

[polar spire]

thats 1 ive thought about so many times in the past

my tank rogue will love that

no wait

thats rogue

shit

[alpine canopy]

😂

[polar spire]

meh i can still make it work very well on my old bleed forge strike build

[alpine canopy]

I personally would plan for crit on your no cooldown forge strike

[polar spire]

bleed variant lets me take more attack speed, crit variant i dont get as much

[alpine canopy]

Since we're probably losing VR's 2.8x multi and not sure how we'll compensate yet

[polar spire]

but if sentinel doesnt get a taunt and i'll have 2 focus channelers feeding me mana, i may go stun taunt set helm

and then if i go stun taunt set helm, i may as well just go bleed build

now i just need @willow wedge to allow me to equip a 2h and a shield on lastepochtools LMAO

[turbid dome]

Shadow beacon forge guard gaming

Void guard?

[polar spire]

i mean

at that point just go Lament of the Lost Refuge + shield

[alpine canopy]

Patience, apparently we need armor shred on bows too, I've heard reports it was stealth-fixed

[polar spire]

missed opportunity if we arent allowed spear and shield for hoplite/spartan sentinel builds

[alpine canopy]

The new vengeance spear looks like it might be fun for that

[polar spire]

oh no, this and mana guide

[turbid dome]

[worn sluice]

i play very small i now only shield bash but i want trtally other skills bc borring animation haha

92 lvl now

i played max 2 week maybe or 3

[polar spire]

wait huh?

[worn sluice]

i not test all skills that why i play only one build form max rool

[turbid dome]

Erasing strike on void knight is just pure dopamine with the giant smack

I hope smelters wrath gets a visual update in April

[worn sluice]

show build i not know much games good and skill tree works

if i have forge guard cant swap to void? i must make new hero?

[turbid dome]

Currently yes

After the update in April no

[winter copper]

Whats mana guide

[winter copper]

warriors fury deadge now

x.x

[woeful storm]

rip damage 💀

it's a bug tho so it should go

[winter copper]

already wrote a suggestion to bring it back

x.

💀

[woeful storm]

Spent 30mins yesterday to find the sweet spot for it

So that i'd never have to let go off the spinning button

With this fix and the upcoming VR rework i guess it wont be a thing anymore

[polar spire]

amulet that lets mages channel focus while moving, essentially turning them into a far better warpath, lol

or you can channel focus on a buddy as a mana battery while being able to move around

[worn sluice]

wait? if i delete hero tree skill can change to void? or just pernament ?

[turbid dome]

no

you can't swap mastery currently

however in the april update the ability to swap your mastery is going to be added

[worn sluice]

so before after aprill can ?:D

or i missunderstand:D

[alpine canopy]

You must wait until April to change your mastery

but if you don't want to wait, you can make a new character now

[turbid dome]

what toast said

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, what Engi said

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

Side note, do multiple focuses actually stack their buffs?

at least, the ones that are the same

[polar spire]

i would imagine yes, the mana regen stacks

[alpine canopy]

Imagine or tested? If it's like holy aura for example, every individual stat/node is a separate non-stacking buff

[polar spire]

ive played with it before, but that was ages ago

i havent played LE since july last year

idk

[alpine canopy]

fair

[turbid dome]

I think Rune of Redemption is gonna be my new favorite rune

[waxen nymph]

I just had an idea
World Splitter + Horn of Ukheiros Shield Rush

[winter copper]

why world splitter?

for aoe

?

[waxen nymph]

For the free Base Crit

And AoE

[gusty abyss]

You can even solve the mana cost by paying health instead 😄

[alpine canopy]

If they fix shield rush's megajank, I am definitely on board

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[polar spire]

necrotic sentinel with one of the necrotic axes and the spirit plague on hit shield

do it do it do it

[steel moat]

whats the meta build for sentinel atm

[waxen nymph]

Hammer Bleed Paladin Vessel Of Strife is probably the best

Not too far behind you have
Erasing Strike VK

[steel moat]

oh it's still hammerdin bleed

[runic path]

Im playing erasing strike VK and its a lot of fun - FWIW

[worn garden]

There's several. My personal favorites are holy trail javelin and judgement

[alpine canopy]

This sounds so insane that it might be fun

[winter copper]

any palarus warpathers here? do wp echoes proc palarus?

[alpine canopy]

They should, but I can test it to be sure if you want

[winter copper]

no worries gonna test myself soon need to test other thingies too

[gusty abyss]

Yes, echo's can proc palarus, they can also proc vortex pennant, and those axes can also proc smite when you have smite idols.

They count as you, so they also count towards the proc limits

[polar spire]

I still remember the guy that found that when the relic first dropped

Was hilarious

Everyone was trying to determine the best mastery for vortex pennant and that guy was like HOLY CRAP TRY VOID ECHOES

now that channels are different in that you can regen mana during them, i cant wait to have a mana battery mage fueling me mana so i can take the 20 cost per sec node that gives massive aoe and damage gains

[gusty abyss]

Well, VK gets a lot of value trough echoes, sure. But that is really just for bosses. During mono's its just always a screen behind.

Paladin on the other hand gets a good quantity of generic damage, boosting proc rate. Both have merrit

[quiet hearth]

so I just saw this and I cannot wait to make a terrible build around it

[steel moat]

what's new with ES VK?

[turbid dome]

I want to use it with forgemasters might and become BEEF

[worn garden]

lol.... so that was spoiled haha

[turbid dome]

its been spoiled for a bit

[worn garden]

Wonder what "use" javelin means

[turbid dome]

vlad pinned all the sentinel spoilers in here

[worn garden]

But what's after "less" 😂

[turbid dome]

less soup consumed per can of soup

[worn garden]

Wonder if the new weapon can proc javelins siege barrage

[turbid dome]

I'd assume so

[polar spire]

what the f^ck

is it time to bring back mana on vengeance affix?

because iron blade also procced it

we were doing a lot of stupid shit with that back then

oh you dirty dog

[turbid dome]

yes iron blades might actually be used

[polar spire]

i cant remember why we were using mana on vengeance affix, but i remember it was for something really stupid

i wanna say the 100 fire damage belt, but im not sure

[turbid dome]

🤔

[turbid dome]

that sounds like something goofy to do

[winter copper]

it was used on sigil dps build lmfao

[runic path]

I'm new so Im just erasing striking with echoes and obliterating things while running as fast as possible + 3 uses of void cleave. Tons of fun I think imma make a sentinel for the new patch and do something similar - the fire changes look crazy.

[polar spire]

well, when vengeance, riposte, and iron blade all procced the mana gain

[polar spire]

naaa i think it was something stupider than that

maybe that was an actual use case for it, but i swear it was something dumber

that chest affix is gonna be golden again for just mana dumping fat javelins and smites

now the real question is

@waxen nymph is smite fissure fixed yet

LOL

[turbid dome]

it will never ever be fixed

never ever c:<

[quiet hearth]

engi playing non-vk? what is going on?

[turbid dome]

Void damage spell forge guard of course

[quiet hearth]

there it is

im going through the spoilers and Im not seeing full fire convert for voild cleave

[turbid dome]

thats already in the game

[quiet hearth]

it doesnt convert the aura

[turbid dome]

ooohhh

idk

[quiet hearth]

that's on me

[turbid dome]

converts normally doesn't convert subskills right?

[quiet hearth]

Not sure, I just know it really needs to be an option when we have frost wall doing it's magic out here with 3 separate conversions

[turbid dome]

and a node to let you use it with a 2handed hammer

instead of a cleave you dash forward and do a hammer smash

[quiet hearth]

I dont even think you need to have it do that, but it would be a nice touch

the multistrike change is gonna be amazing for my triple dot nonsense, if the patch doesnt mess other things up

[robust lake]

void ball bonker is the future, convert now or suffer the consequences

[polar spire]

Kinda wanna just say screw it and play fire abyssal echoes paladin again

Nothing more fun than facetanking boss mechanics while healing 5000 a second in an aoe

[runic path]

Go on…

[polar spire]

thats it

its abyssal echoes spammer

[alpine canopy]

Often times yeah, but not always

[alpine canopy]

It needs a buff, I think it sounded like it works fine? but Vlad would know better

[waxen nymph]

If you mean, does it benefit from Sacrifice and other sources of Flat Dmg specific to Smite (like Devotion), yes its fixed

[waxen nymph]

That's very inconsistent in the game

[hushed pecan]

Hi guys, were the Sentinel changes for season 2 published

[solar mural]

check pinned messages

thx vlad later 😛

[winter copper]

red smite mtx will be the best one in s2

if only they also have red dev orbbbb

[river sierra]

.

[alpine canopy]

I bet simple recolors are relatively quick for them to make, so they may try to get a decent number of them out... we'll see

[waxen nymph]

I want Holy Orb

[rapid stone]

man

cant wait man

im going to play void spin to win

then paladin hammer throw

and forge guard something

i love sentinel

[balmy seal]

Paladin feels pretty good to me. First time leveling one and it’s so fun.

[turbid dome]

I just want my skill icons to match the conversions

[queen abyss]

lol

[polar spire]

I cant believe its not butter

[turbid dome]

Correct I’m not butter

[fair hollow]

Gimme void manifest armor MTX and il buy it instantly

[fair hollow]

https://sora.com/g/gen_01jne03taefestx097kv1g2pyn something like this 😅

[alpine canopy]

Not yet

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

🧈

[waxen nymph]

I'll butter you up, my sweet Engi 👉👈🥵

[alpine canopy]

[turbid dome]

[urban phoenix]

Excited to rehash my forged weapon spinny dude with a two hander and a shield XD.

Hopefully its viable.

[turbid dome]

If it doesn’t start off as viable this chat can sure as hell make it viable

[alpine canopy]

idk, forged weapon spinny dude gotta roll aberroth's command or bust imo

[urban phoenix]

Why that?

[alpine canopy]

Lets you use void cleave without interrupting warpath

[turbid dome]

And fire void cleave buffs your minions if you smack them

[urban phoenix]

mm

[turbid dome]

But maybe stopping the spin is ok when considering the forged weapons themselves are a lot better stat wise

[alpine canopy]

If we get a better way to maintain forged weapons passively, I would be happier interrupting warpath, but the summon time is so slow

[urban phoenix]

I was thinking Morditas' Reach and Frostbite Shackles for crazy frostbite stacking.

[alpine canopy]

you'd probably want to watch very carefully to use VC right after one spawns

[urban phoenix]

66% increased frostbite duration. 780% chance to apply frostbite

[turbid dome]

Is the summon forged weapons when hit from sun forged armor set a set bonus or just on one of the armors

[alpine canopy]

Well that wouldn't even really benefit from VC, so you wouldn't need to worry about interrupting warpath with it then - is this viable now?

[alpine canopy]

It's the chest armor

[urban phoenix]

I mean, the damage is there rn, just wasn't tanky without a shield imo.

so it depends what the penalties are for going 2h + shield

and whether forged weapons are getting reworked

[waxen nymph]

What kind of content are you doing?

[urban phoenix]

Been a minute since i played it tbh.

can't play it anymore because its in legacy and all my CoF gear is not equippable.

[turbid dome]

Gotta level your cod in legacy

[alpine canopy]

You just need to merge your stash

because faction stuff is all technically in your stash somehow

[urban phoenix]

XD

Ill have to look into that.

Does the idea seem reasonable to you guys?

[alpine canopy]

I've never really looked into it, it all depends on how much scaling you're able to get for your FWs outside of the spear and gloves

[keen radish]

your faction rank should get inherited into legacy when you merge stash

ah nvm they already told you lul

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, they have a "guide" that shows how to do the merge: https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1260279433772662854

Hopefully they eventually just make it obvious that you need to do that in game

[turbid dome]

Add a tutorial popup when you open legacy for the first time after a cycle has ended

Ez

[urban phoenix]

Looks like you get around 700 frostbite stacks without melee atk speed crafted frostbite shackles/morditas. I guess other scaling would just be minion damage on other pieces of gear.

[turbid dome]

That’s solid

[urban phoenix]

Getting like a t7 attack speed on the gloves would make it go crazy too.

[turbid dome]

Does the stats from gloves affix on phantom grip stack with two of them

[urban phoenix]

Yeah

[turbid dome]

Swag

[alpine canopy]

You can get even bigger attack speed slammed on the spear, too, unless you were already factoring that in

I wish ele DOT could roll on spears lol

[waxen nymph]

I still don't know why it doesn't

An hybrid Cold Pen would be real good too

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, considering spears have multiple things dedicated to ele DOT in terms of uniques and skills using frostbite, electrify, and ignite

it's kinda weird, just like daggers not having hybrid lightning pen despite them being a primarily rogue weapon, which definitely has multiple lightning melee skills

[turbid dome]

I used a dagger on void wizard until I got a scorned scepter

[waxen nymph]

👀

[turbid dome]

[polar spire]

@marble quest boop

No reason, just wanted to boop

[turbid dome]

Inb4 ave appears

[alpine canopy]

👀

[keen radish]

Don't do that xd

[alpine canopy]

She's gonna give out a negative drop rate boost 😅

[polar spire]

but i havent booped ave in ages

[polar spire]

good

[urban phoenix]

Yeah absolutely, i think the real question is if theres any hit based two handers that will outperform the frostbite damage.

[alpine canopy]

Not sure. There's also bleed and ignite support available, so those may be able to compete.

[polar spire]

mordita's rive goes brrr

1000% frostbite

[alpine canopy]

I'd look into multistrike bladestorm for S2

[urban phoenix]

Salt the wound gloves might be neat for bleed if the crit multi as phys pen with bleed works on forged weapons. I feel like its unlikely though.

Could get 100% of crit multi as bleed penetration if so.

[alpine canopy]

I'm not sure if it does, I think I heard maehlin's bleed to ignite conversion works though

[abstract yoke]

i'm sure it's been asked before so forgive me for asking again, but when they say sentinel is being reworked what do they mean exactly... or does no one know yet?

[worn garden]

Check out the pinned section for this channel.

[turbid dome]

their updating sentinel to not be the least tanky class at high build investment + remove sentinel's reliance on volitiale reversal to do big damage

[quiet hearth]

To be fair, that remains to be seen

[clever hazel]

Burning Armor on Manifest Armor grants the skill a Fire tag; does that mean everything the Manifest Guardian does (melee attack, whirlwind, etc) is now considered a Fire skill, since it's always dealing some amount of Fire damage?

[alpine canopy]

Well, they're definitely removing the dependence on VR debuffs... whether or not sentinel is still good after will be the question

[alpine canopy]

Not sure if it changes the minion skill tags themselves. For what interaction?

[turbid dome]

true

[clever hazel]

Calamity: "Chance to Ignite on Hit with Fire Skills"

[alpine canopy]

Ah, well I'm not sure. I would suspect it does not work, but someone would have to test it I think. Should work (95% sure) on its skills that are normally fire, like forgebreath.

[urban phoenix]

Does not work with forged weapons.

Would have been cool if it did though.

[clever hazel]

I was specifically thinking of Manifest Armor, since it directly gains the stats from your helmet; is there an equivalent thing for Forged Weapons?

[urban phoenix]

Oh true

Yeah lemme check that

[urban phoenix]

Does not seem to work either way. I suspect that the manifest armour's attack is just a default attack and not a "skill" technically.

[alpine canopy]

All attacks are skills

Forge breath is a fire skill, for example. Its default melee attack is just melee, phys, area.

[urban phoenix]

So why wouldn't this work then?

the minion does have a fire tag

[alpine canopy]

It's not about the minion's tags, it's the tags on the skill your minion uses

[urban phoenix]

Gotcha.

[alpine canopy]

So like forge breath has the fire tag - unless the affix is janky and doesn't work on you minions, then it should definitely work for forge breath

[urban phoenix]

That seems to be the ticket.

works with forge breath

[fair hollow]

Should also work for the fire nova retaliation skill of manifest armor

[waxen nymph]

I still can't believe that skill isn't mentioned anywhere

[polar spire]

I still can't believe its not butter

[marble quest]

I have been booped? ME?? Booped?!* How dareth you?!

😅 Hello Amadora!

[polar spire]

hai haiiiii

[marble quest]

boop

[woven temple]

the what skill?!

[polar spire]

Its like that uhhh mage fire ward skill without the fire ward

Honestly i wouldnt be surprised if its a straight copy of it

[fair hollow]

Haha yeah, and its been there a long time

[waxen nymph]

I wonder if Warpath + Lucerne can be good as a FG next patch

[gusty abyss]

Well, I might have seen it wrong, but I think warpath can trigger forgestrike if channeled long enough

[waxen nymph]

Wait what?

In the trailer?

[gusty abyss]

Yes

Channeling warpath, a forge strike drops before a manual forge strike is cast

also the character is not looking at that location

[waxen nymph]

Do you have a time stamp roughly?

Went through the trailer and didn't see

[gusty abyss]

1:11

play at slow speed, makes it more obvious

[waxen nymph]

Hum... I was at x0. 25

[gusty abyss]

ok i looked at it again

[waxen nymph]

I see a Crimson Smite with Explosion on death

[gusty abyss]

its mtx smite I think

[waxen nymph]

Then a Forge Strike

[gusty abyss]

I did see it wrong then 😄

[waxen nymph]

Sadge

It would have been cool

Proc FS with a sceptre while Warpath

[alpine canopy]

That's the crit mace, right? I guess it depends on the 2h + shield downside (unless you weren't planning on using that)

[waxen nymph]

I was

And yes

[urban phoenix]

Set items can't get LP right?

[waxen nymph]

No they can't

But smth is coming

For them

[urban phoenix]

Mmm

Could be neat with rewarding craft, depending on what they add.

I think max forged weapons would be 15?

iirc

I'm assuming none of the forged weapons would gain the scaling dmg from the set.

[woven temple]

it looks like you'll be able to transplant the set effects onto regular items but it's not clear what is going to be done with the unique set bases, if anything

[gusty abyss]

I expect a green affix to capture the most unique part of the set pieces themselves. That then has tiers like any other affix. That gets crafted the usual way we craft affixes.

I would expect the presence of a set affix to make that piece count towards to set. I would also expect only 1 set affix to be allowed per item.

[waxen nymph]

And make that item un eligible for Lp crafting too

[gusty abyss]

That, or make it so you can transfer the affix, it just won't count towards the set. Wait and see I think.

[alpine canopy]

If you mean the 'per forged weapon' stuff, right since all your forged weapons have 0 forged weapons of their own

[wicked monolith]

Did they ever fix seraph blade not proccing volcanus?

[waxen nymph]

Didnt know it was a thing

[turbid dome]

need a node that makes one big forged weapon that then produces more forged weapons

[wicked monolith]

I guess maybe it isn't? Just saw a few posts from around a year ago saying that was the case. I'll have to test it when I get home

[alpine canopy]

I want my MA to do it

Just have it do some sort of throwing animation, fire explosion and summon a weapon on impact

[winter copper]

why is it lucerne what are these hax

[alpine canopy]

Didn't even notice that, uhh, interesting

[turbid dome]

dat crit chance

[urban phoenix]

I wonder if it is locked to the specific base type of item, like if the set piece is a one handed weapon, could you put it on a two hand spear for instance.

If that is what they are doing.

[winter copper]

they are putting on only rare items, so if you use forge strike/wrath or ignite build sunforged hammer will still be better

[waxen nymph]

Imo you will need a 2h Mace to apply the Shard for the Sun Forged Hammer

[winter copper]

that would be logical otherwise some sets would be opop like vilatria or shattered

just put all shards on rings/gloves

gg

or belt/gloves/boots

tho they might have not considered that and we will get an unbalanced mess like a year ago

[waxen nymph]

Shattered of Strife 🔥

[winter copper]

or craft all 3 set shards on 1 item

🙂

[waxen nymph]

Btw Misha I meant to ask you
Are you sure the bugfix to Warrior Fury will make it not work on echoes ?

[winter copper]

i mean thats what they wrote

or do u mean they will putout the bugfix that wont work

hahahaha

or do u think this implies that warriors fury will not apply to things like warslash?

[waxen nymph]

They said on Direct Cast
I believe echoes are considered Direct Cast

[winter copper]

well i always thought the same

but what are they even talking about then????

if not echoes

[waxen nymph]

My guess is Warpath Shrine

[winter copper]

ooh, has anyone tested that lmfao

so u saying with shrine and specced fury ull spin endlessly draining mana

[waxen nymph]

Yup

@cobalt blade can testify

Also saw a clip from wander in Dread discord I believe

[winter copper]

na i didnt kno

[urban phoenix]

Yeah shattered lance was the one I was looking at specifically.

[winter copper]

well its hard to say anything now cause there is 50/50 chance that ehg will make it more balnced/fair or say hehe haha lets put shards to all items and see what happens

[alpine canopy]

Ehh, I think chances are pretty low that they let you cross item type lines or let you put set bonuses on uniques. But we'll see.

[winter copper]

i mean nobody thought they would put 3 skills working multiplicatively with each other on a minion add infinite scaling and many other autorsities with falconer/warlock

😏

[alpine canopy]

Sure, but low chance is still a chance

[winter copper]

50/50 is low

[polar spire]

Shattered lance set will dominate everything

Shattered lance is already one of the sets you can make an absolute disgusting build off of for primalists

If they're letting you put the sets on other gear, oh my lord

You can get like 4000+ health regen on werebears, that'll be gross af

[woven temple]

dont discount the vilatria set if you can just get +1 flat to all lightning spells per int without having to wear two terrible gear pieces

[polar spire]

Yea i was pondering that one as well as the avalanche set

And a good chunk of vk's actually use the void sentinel amulet

So might as well use the full set now + amulet

Well, full set bonus + amulet

And then the forge guard set people typically only ever ran 2/3 so getting the 3rd as a bonus is wonderful

I wonder if set bonus weapons will be locked to same weapon type

If not, i'd totally run forge guard and shattered lance, since the helm has flat health regen per summoned weapon

And then dual wield it up

So actual forge guard set helm, not the bonus, but then everything else is the bonuses

And then as a dual wield speed hitter, tacking on hh and keeping minions up with that

[waxen nymph]

Can't wait to do Shattered Lance x Last Bear

[polar spire]

I am a little sad its bonuses only

I'd love to be able to copy last bear helm onto anything and be able to tank on any class by stun taunting

[waxen nymph]

Last Bear + Vessel 👀

[polar spire]

Yea 1.2's shaping up to be very nice

Now all we need is another gold exploit to ruin it on launch LOL

[waxen nymph]

Dont care. CoF

[alpine canopy]

I'm holding all hype on set builds until they release the dev blog on it. But if shattered lance even starts to look spicy I will probably do another one of those. Lol

[polar spire]

No its actually good, cause the .5 seasons halfway through could have big content drops as well in their attempts to get players back in

[alpine canopy]

If only they'd fix swarmblade

[polar spire]

So if you burn out a month in but an exploit happens, boom new content drop again

[fair hollow]

Think ill be going cof aswell this time at launch

[polar spire]

Like that skeleton event

[polar spire]

No rank 1 pal MA?

[fair hollow]

Took whole of aprill off from work so enough time

Il be pushing

[polar spire]

I just loved how all the builds were HH primary builds, and then there was wrouk, #1 with spell MA paladin

[fair hollow]

😁

too bad no staff + shield tho 😛

[polar spire]

Im still waiting for every class to get a unique weapon type other classes cant use, or for everyone to be able to use bows

[fair hollow]

moment sentinels can use bows i want a skill node to turn MA into an archer

[polar spire]

I mean if players can pressure the devs to give us mastery respeccing when they had a firm stance against it, as well as essentially titans grip/d3 crusader, anything is possible

[alpine canopy]

Primalist is more likely to get bows than other classes... but the problem is they need animations

And also stuff they can actually do with the bows lol

[polar spire]

Just add bow tag to skills

Pull a reverse detonating strike

Or whatever it was called

A bow that benefits from melee, go full circle

[woven temple]

this or the hypothetical bow primalist will be positioned just like spellblade - completely isolated from the rest of the class that has no synergy with bow builds

[wicked monolith]

Lol tornado dragon song werebear

[humble wraith]

Hello

Lf opinions

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Brl5vdZA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,711, Regen: 102.96/s
▸ Mana: 125.62, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 93 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 135% / 108% / 68% / 80% / 77% / 68% / 60%
▸ EHP: 19,052 / 19,052 / 17,806 / 33,335 / 19,052 / 17,806 / 16,567

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 542
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (372)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,918)
▸ Block Chance: 80%, Mitigation: 60% (3,140)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Haste

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (31)
• Sigils Of Hope (26)
• Shield Rush (22)
• Volatile Reversal (22)
• Ring Of Shields (22)

Used unique items:

• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Monument of Protection
• Nihilis
• Li'raka's Claws
• Razorfall
• Throne of Ambition

[winter copper]

today mike inderectly confirmed that its not shrines but echoes too, so big rip

[cobalt blade]

What did i miss 👀

[turbid dome]

trailer

[turbid dome]

on what

the build in general?

[alpine canopy]

I think a loot lizard ran through here earlier, too

[humble wraith]

y

[uneven gorge]

Seems ight, but I'd take the points out of osprixbane and put them into liquid iron. The points into infinite bulwark will give you a little bit more armour when you need it and don't have ambition stacks

[waxen nymph]

I don't see Warpath on your character

Also why Shield Rush?

HH traversal with cd reduced on minions heals + Shield = HH almost always up

[humble wraith]

Lul, didn't read WP part, thanks!

[austere coral]

I actually had issues with that working last time I tried it, but that was like a year ago, so I think I should try it again
My theory was that shields weren't healed, cuz they were always full hp, but not 100% sure

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, if something/someone isn't damaged, you can't heal them

[austere coral]

Hmm, can you make shields lose life over time in some way?

[alpine canopy]

Technically yes (wraith staff), but idk of a good way currently.

[austere coral]

What about Bulwark of the Last Abyss? IIRC shields benefit from stats on our shield

[alpine canopy]

They do - it's unlikely that one works, but worth a try

[fair hollow]

apparently they did add some info of it when holding alt on the skill in game now, they also added a cooldown 🥲 (or fixed the cooldown not working?) in 1.1.

[waxen nymph]

??

I am so confused ^^

[fair hollow]

so am i and i have atleast 2.5k hours with the skill 🤣

never was in the patch notes as far as i am aware

[waxen nymph]

Closest thing I saw

[alpine canopy]

Skill alt text isn't in LE Tools or TunkLab because it's apparently not simple to pull it automatically, which makes it harder

[waxen nymph]

What's Blast Forge?

[alpine canopy]

I think it's a node in MA

[fair hollow]

yeah

[delicate elk]

I love my void knight smite on hit

Just dropping inky darkness everywhere

[slow plaza]

that kinda sucks, one of my favorite versions of the skill was abusing the no CD on this

[fair hollow]

yeah

[worn garden]

ohh no! it got the bear treatment.

[spring pollen]

Anything special to do for shield bash build other than stack block eff to the moon?

[wicked monolith]

just made a sentinel for the first time last week, i think nova hammers might be my favorite build ive played so far

[polar spire]

run extremely high cdr with 3 others also doing the same and proceed to stunlock every boss in the game

you used to be able to do that with 2 people

[stark rune]

j

[waxen nymph]

k?

[tame rain]

can someone share me a lastest update for Throwing axe build ?

currently im lv 30 , the most dps i can created is 1600+ with sentinal + forceguard

with prefix & affix i should aim for , beside throwing dmg + crit melee dmg

[marble quest]

Iirc, that change was made to address the Shrine/Mana issue after a Forum thread was raised specifically to ask about instances in game where this happened as not all of them were intentional 🙂

[waxen nymph]

Throwing Axe from Smelter Wrath??
Don't do that to yourself

[waxen nymph]

Yup, but that would be a shame that echoes suffer from that bug fix

[marble quest]

I'm checking on that

Abyssal Echoes to be clear? Remember, played Sentinel for the first time yesterday 😅

[gusty abyss]

VK has chance for skills to echo. Warpath has a node that enables it for warpath. A warpath echo is a void copy of a sentinal that cast warpath for 2seconds.

[marble quest]

Right, I knew it was utilising the Warriors Fury node in Warpath, I just wanted to make sure I was getting the Echo interaction correct when asking the team as there are 'Abyssal Tempest' and 'Echo Knight' nodes in Warpath, and the Abyssal Echoes skill in the Void Knight Mastery too

I didn't check the Passives though

[gusty abyss]

It's one of the mastery passives

[alpine canopy]

Low key, this is one of the builds I am considering starting as for S2

[hallow herald]

any1 know if the divine bolts,healing hands paladin build is still viable or will be, havent played it since the rebalance to Ward, whnever that was

[junior wren]

yes, it is still viable in 1.1.
It will very likely get buffed in 1.2, thanks to one of the spoilers from livestreams (ignore the first line of text, that's the old text)

[winter copper]

ya the issue is that already like 3 people played Fury node alltogether, since the mana sustain is hell with it and forces you to use rive or volatile reversal and also invest on gear etc. But from what mike implied it seems bugfix will disable fury for echoes too, which would be a huge downside of the skill variation that wasnt that good in the first place and people didnt play it. Previously with Fury node the echoes that u spawn were also growin in size for 2 sec before dissapearing(overall it was 100% more dmg for echoes, so quite significant)

[solemn harbor]

I don't even know if I'll be playing the first day of the patch... Because I'm going to be reading on our updates... But man am I really hopeful that we'll get a generic damage buff for everything, and VR gets thrown into the trash can so we stop relying on it.

[winter copper]

patchnotes usually available 2+ days before patch date

so plenty of time to theorycraft

😏

[solemn harbor]

Yeah but that requires me to have a room temp IQ and remember to read them when they're posted instead of day of launch. lol

[vivid talon]

they've pretty much indicated that that is going to happen

don't know exactly how the compensation is coming but yeah

[waxen nymph]

Tears and blood

[solemn harbor]

I'm so excited for not having to make multiple Sentinels to try out different builds... Just level one and gather all the different gear sets/types that I want to swap between builds. lol

[vivid talon]

I'm still going to refuse to respec my mastery but I understand that I'm the weirdo here

[winter copper]

ill probably play only 1 build in s2 but we will se

[waxen nymph]

Thats make 2'of us

[vivid talon]

yeah that's a point

dunno how many I'll want to play either

hopefully there's lot of sentinel stuff to experiment with though

I'm so excited for this rework but that also is setting me up for disappointment

[solemn harbor]

I normally play at least three characters before I get bored and wander away for a few months. Paladin, Mage, and then Rogue. And that's only because I don't want to level up the base classes again to try out builds that interest me, but are other Masteries. lol

[waxen nymph]

I just had an idea, and got disappointed right after
I was thinking how nice Spine of Malatros + Shield could be for Judgement. But the 2h + Shield node is FG exclusive

[solemn harbor]

That has always annoyed me. I feel like 2H/Shield should be base Sentinel because it plays into our power aesthetic, ya know?

[vivid talon]

on the other hand, more reasons to use forge guard are nice

though I hope this rework will include making the forge guard tree not miserable, which will help a lot

[real patrol]

Still a weird decision, you g out uniques like the new spear one designed almost exclusively for forge guard only

[winter copper]

if they killl VR mana refund then judgment is as good as dead

no amount of buffs will save it L

[cobalt blade]

Did i see discussion bout warrior's fury, the less satisfying echo fury and mana problem? 👀

https://imgur.com/a/cCDOHPV

[alpine canopy]

I mean technically they could buff it to get all the same damage without consuming the mana and it would be exactly where it is now, but better

[winter copper]

ye that got bugfixed and also disabled for wp echoes so fury is huge L now

[cobalt blade]

Big OOF, guess my one and only one VK is scuffed. He is already vitless and now this 🪦. At this rate, he is turning to rust

[winter copper]

we will see maybe their bugfix didnt work, which wouldnt be the 1st case for EHG, but yee sucks

this was mikes answer

i like how he also said generally to avoid direct confirmation

😡

[cobalt blade]

Gotta pull out the code :V

[winter copper]

also lmfao u are literally 3rd person besides me and dread who even tried to play warriors fury

despairgeee

[cobalt blade]

Sadgeeee

#🔱┃sentinel message does this have anything to do to confirm echoes are direct/indirect cast again?

[alpine canopy]

Can't give wrong answers if you always qualify them

[alpine canopy]

No, but to decode Mike's answer, I think it's basically:
Echoes are not direct casts
But maybe the node still works for them

[winter copper]

warpath is old noodle code so there is no point comparing it to any other skill in the game, it will not work the same

[gusty abyss]

Search for wander on YouTube, he has like a sub 40s abbaroth kill + build guide on it

[winter copper]

4th pog

[junior wren]

I'll use it to change my second Sorcerer into RM, but I also understand not using it. Having 1 character for each mastery just seems the natural way things should be 😄

[woven temple]

inb4 "generic damage buff" is like 5% more on all skills

[woven temple]

I mean it's a balance between the annoyance of leveling a new char vs the annoyance of constantly respecing

although the blessings collection made it a lot less annoying

[scenic gyro]

melee classes rejoice

[woven temple]

aint bad but its an uber abe drop, it should measure up to that

[scenic gyro]

but finaly smth worth replacing ravenous void with

[winter copper]

on melee ya

[spring pollen]

That dev chat got me so pumped lol. So much good stuff coming

[scenic gyro]

we need an updated database asap

[uneven gorge]

Not super unique, but big number buffs is nice. Good alternative to flacon fists. Tho I imagine getting lp will be nigh impossible

[scenic gyro]

probably on par with abberoth amulet when it comes to lpl

hopefully* 😄

[alpine canopy]

They intentionally make the ultra-unobtainable kind of items more generic, generally defense-oriented, and not build-enabling

[uneven gorge]

Ye it would suck to lock a build behind a mega rare drop. Though you can still make a universally applicable unique more unique. Idm either way tho ^^

[turbid dome]

which database is that?

[scenic gyro]

the lastepochtools one, i know its not gonna happen until patchnotes are out earliest but one can dream

all those new affixes and stuff

[turbid dome]

o:

YOUR THE LAST EPOCH TOOLS PERSON

YOU ARE A SAINT

[alpine canopy]

tbf, this one is pretty unique for LE, nothing in game converts a portion of hit damage taken to DOT

[scenic gyro]

huh

im not involved in that mate, im just a user 😄

[turbid dome]

but you still help with the site right?

[scenic gyro]

i definitely boost their traffic, thats for sure

but no 😄

[turbid dome]

still a saint

anyone who helps out LEtools is a saint in my book, I love that site

[uneven gorge]

Well, not directly into a dot. It's just delayed. Still, I'm fine with it. There'll be loads of new toys to play with 💙

[turbid dome]

I also wonder if they just showed it on a max roll eternal gaunlet implicit or if eternal guantlets got their range buffed

[alpine canopy]

Yeah you're probably right technically, we can call it "damage over a duration"

[scenic gyro]

that dot mitigation makes me feel all kinda ways, just recently found the right items to slap some on and it makes such a huge difference

[turbid dome]

ye

[alpine canopy]

Yeah DOTs hurt when you're used to taking like half damage or less due to armor

[scenic gyro]

on second thought, those gloves are pretty insane no? we get 30%dr on top of endurance? its probably multiplicative, but still

so you are not hard preassured into stacking insane amounts of health

[turbid dome]

they are insane

worthy drops from an uber boss

that thankfully aren't like a build enabling unique

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, kinda unreliable though

[scenic gyro]

isnt it the contrary , its only in effect when you actually need it

unless you get onshot nuked out of the orbit

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, not active on 1-shots is mainly it

[turbid dome]

big fat dmg attack -> endurance thresholds save you -> extra not die activates

[alpine canopy]

maybe some niche cases aside from that, like it won't activate on pure DOT damage

[turbid dome]

yeah pure dots still hurts

but those are gonna hurt a lot anyways

[alpine canopy]

yeah, the gloves do very little to protect you from DOTs in general, just the armor applies to DOT implicit

[scenic gyro]

slapping some experimental amor-> dot on those bad boys would go hard

[alpine canopy]

and that endurance boost will help when active, of course

[turbid dome]

to be fair, how many gloves protect from dots (other than the eternal gauntlet implicit)

other than like generic max hp

[alpine canopy]

RV

[turbid dome]

oh wait right

[alpine canopy]

which is kinda the main competitor

[scenic gyro]

the new gloves say "reduced" dmg, rv is less dmg with stacks

but if you work with alot of leech it might still be higher ehp

[turbid dome]

if the delayed damage counts as a DOT for the armor applies to dot stuff then they are super nice

[scenic gyro]

thats a good question for mike

that would be huge

[turbid dome]

to the ask the devs chat!

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the new gloves don't really technically have any effect on 1-shot ehp (outside the simple armor and health and whatever), but they give you the ability to turn excess recovery into hit DR by having it eat up the delayed hit damage, and the 30% endurance boost gives a good bit of burst EHP

[scenic gyro]

in my head there is no scenario outside of uber aberoth or few thousand corruption where you dont turn immortal with those gloves and high leech

[alpine canopy]

With any half decent build, yeah they are very strong

Name checks out

[scenic gyro]

true, didnt notice 😄

awwwww, no double dipping in dr with those gloves

nice try though

[turbid dome]

I mean fair their still insane

[scenic gyro]

ye

[alpine canopy]

Probably a benefit tbf, if it split the incoming damage before mitigation we'd be hurting more lol

[scenic gyro]

yea turning a "normal" hit into dot and getting nuked by it xD

[alpine canopy]

If Mike is right, then the delayed damage isn't even affected by endurance nor the DR to endurance health

[scenic gyro]

so we would get more damage on our health from the hit but as a trade off we have more time to mitigate it

if that dmg were to go into endurance threshold initially

[turbid dome]

they feel like deaths dance in LoL

love that item

[alpine canopy]

Feels odd

[turbid dome]

why odd?

[alpine canopy]

just the endurance bit being calculated into the hit rather than it going damage -> mitigation -> split -> endurance

[scenic gyro]

but wouldnt be the endurance be in the first mitgitation part already

it would be double dipping at that point no

[alpine canopy]

no, endurance is kinda separate since it only applies to parts of damage

[scenic gyro]

yea but lets say your current health is below your endurance threshold and you get a hit which procs the gloves
that hit would be calculated with endurance in mind

[alpine canopy]

I suspect they used to actually do that as an "optimization" and caused mana damage to get affected by endurance in those cases

maybe now they still have that one edge case where they can roll it all up into one DR number, but idk if they actually do that or not

[scenic gyro]

hard to do with so many conditionals

[alpine canopy]

and I just think most people would "expect" the delayed damage to be impacted by endurance

[turbid dome]

endurance applies to dot when

[scenic gyro]

probably, it might be a non-issue if it turns out the gloves are op anyways

[halcyon yoke]

with high recovery / leech, it will be great

[alpine canopy]

They'll be really strong defensively for all builds that have good recovery, I think. Probably a good chase item for those people who like to push corruption/arena.

[turbid dome]

its nice seeing something thats better for life builds rather than a ward build

[halcyon yoke]

technically, it could also make you more vulnerable to one-shots

if you keep getting slow hits for 99% hp but have high recovery
without the gloves, you survive
with them, the dot could kill you when the 2nd hit lands

[turbid dome]

?

wouldn't something that does 99% of your max hp in one hit with the gloves on just kill you if you didn't have the gloves on

[alpine canopy]

If you're not back at full, I would say you don't have high recovery

[turbid dome]

that too

if your not leeching to full constantly your at mid recovery at best

[halcyon yoke]

i guess it depends how it interacts with endurance
how that 30% is calculated
was just pointing out that the dot could push you over the edge if you are yoyoing 100->1->100

[alpine canopy]

Yup okay, it for sure calculates all the damage endurance would have prevented in the initial hit

and then 30% of the final damage is yoinked out, which actually means you are much better off

[halcyon yoke]

oh, ya, mike answered it

looks way better like this

doesnt prevent endurance from triggering

[alpine canopy]

since that means the endurance health (which is 150% more health per health than health) will be the priority to get saved by teh 30% split

257% more when the extra endurance bonus on the gloves is active

[winter copper]

all builds will be now 2x2 2 idols and 4 3x1

[spring pollen]

I missed the part about idols. Did they say there were like weaver idols?

[halcyon yoke]

we'll have to see the new idol affixes first

[halcyon yoke]

all 3-4 spaces idols will have new class-specific 3rd and 4th affixes, weaver-like

and you'll be able to reroll these 3rd/4th if you dont like them

so it should shift some power away towards "big" idols
but we dont have more details on that yet

[turbid dome]

tbh I kinda like that

[spring pollen]

Awesome thanks!

[solemn harbor]

That new Sword seems pretty interesting, the Falchion. Even ignoring the throwing attack part of it. +2 to Melee Attacks, with Vitality, flat Melee, and Attack Speed...

[runic path]

I can’t wait to slam shit harder with some new sentinel builds

[past zealot]

sincerely praying that they dont remove the consume void essences to refund mana node

[runic path]

same - erasing striking things out of existence has been extremely fun

[round reef]

any sentineel build for begginer?

[woven temple]

Plenty of them, what kind of a build do you want?

[round reef]

void k

[waxen nymph]

Erasing Strike, Rive, or Hammer Throw (Void Dot or Void Smite). Maybe Warpath

[spring pollen]

does erasing streike build use void cleave? I find that skill so satisfying lol

[past zealot]

most do just for a movement skill

[winter copper]

no

[alpine canopy]

When starting yes, but eventually you want to optimize VC out of rotation

[spring pollen]

👍

[urban phoenix]

@alpine canopy Question for you, I know your characters strength affects your minions stats, for forged weapons, If your weapon has strength on it, would it double dip? Or are any attributes they have irrelevant?

[alpine canopy]

Minions cannot have attributes (like strength), so they do not benefit from stuff like the increased armor that strength gives or any scaling. Also, might be important to note that forged weapons don't scale with strength at all, only attunement (it's not made clear on the forge strike tooltip).

[runic path]

movement + abyssal echoes

👌

[waxen nymph]

Be careful the tooltip is a bit misleading
We had a big convo about it
Forged Weapons only benefit from attunement

[urban phoenix]

Good to know! thanks guys!

[glossy ridge]

not exactly good builder but still wonder how to make effective build based on this feature..

Probably will be similar to siege barrage but since its not fucused primary on AoE single point vs Bosses it could be worse..
If one would consider paladin then it could support lightning otherwise one would need use unique spear - for example "Tu'rani's
If one would wanna pure fire then probably Forge and probably "Sierpin's" (since forge supports throw and have dexerity bonus..)

But if one would wanna go route (4th picture) then use unique's to support +skills like that one for +4 javeling
(if it's even now possible craft one) then Fire is gone, bleed or physical too so Forge would be useless then you go again route of Paladin and
still probably use Sierpin's for clearing echos but boss fight or make it effective.. idk

But would be probably interesting recreate something which main website have as Ad

[waxen nymph]

If you wait for 1.2 you will be able to use Siege Barrage and the Split

[glossy ridge]

some new unique or changes for sentinel ? Also wouldn't that be too much OP ? Since i think current 3 types of Javelin basically cancel each other for that exact reason

(same its for many similar skills on all classes)

[vernal frigate]

from the pinned images for the rework - anyone know what has been cut off here? "but you have less _ "?

[waxen nymph]

We dont know yet

[vernal frigate]

ok thank you 🙏

[charred phoenix]

I would imagine it being attack speed

[vernal frigate]

yeah was guessing atk or move speed

[vernal frigate]

this node looks so insane

[waxen nymph]

Thats a teaser for 1.2
They removed the line that said it doesnt split if you have Siege Barrage

[waxen nymph]

It does 🔥

[vernal frigate]

im very keen to play an erasing strike build for the upcoming cycle

i gave up playing melee in many arpgs

played 2 ranged builds in LE so far for 1.0 and 1.1

[waxen nymph]

We dont know any balance change for 1.2 but its really good rn

[vernal frigate]

cant wait for patch notes !!

[south ledge]

I will also start the new season with voidknight. I wanna try to build a void mage again, but erasing strike with reversal being like a teleport looks good too.
Hype is real for sure

[past zealot]

bonk !

the funny harbinger hammer is pretty awesome

[waxen nymph]

I like that you erased its body xD

[austere coral]

I'm hoping Lunge's Pilum Assault stays intact in 1.2, I'd love to play Javelin Forge Master and that node is be perfect for me

[past zealot]

yeah aberroth is kinda weird with kill thresholds

[sand wolf]

yo everyone, im kinda newbie. last cycle i played multistrike - smite (not following any build guide), but, as you can imagine, it was quite clanky on singletarget. Also couldnt figure out the main dmg scaling (tried strength stacking with palarus's, crit stacking, filling legendary potential with flat "spell damage" from 1H swords, mix-n-matching different weapons, etc.)

Obviously there's someth i'm missing, so if you played something similar - pls @ me, thanks

[winter copper]

wait for season 2 and play the same thing but with actual single target now

[alpine canopy]

I ran multistrike smite as an electrify build and it worked fairly decently. Dual wielded palarus with aurelis, MS procs smite and melee HH, used jav as a buff (you can make it a smite banner that gives you a big chunk of melee electrify chance while on cooldown), and of course VR to almost triple DPS on bosses.
In Season 2, multistrike might be meta with the change to bladestorm (it'll let your swords all hit your main target).

[winter copper]

also imo f/*ck paladin and go VK only with anomaly double dmg debuf and big vit stacking

[sand wolf]

Im so sorry, what's a "melee HH" and what's a "VR" ?

[sand wolf]

tru

well aside from Season 2, how would one scale damage on triggered smite builds? what's the* cheapest / most sane way

[alpine canopy]

Melee HH = healing hands with the melee conversion (HH has some electrify nodes that make it nice, and it's a free extra proc on every multistrike swing)
VR = volatile reversal, you spec into both of the "damage taken" debuffs and its cooldown reduction, if both the initial and final position void rifts hit the same target, those debuffs stack (total of 2.8x damage multiplier for DOT)

[alpine canopy]

It depends on what you're using to proc smite, I like electrify for multistrike because it synergizes with aurelis. Bleed and crit are also good, just maybe not for multistrike (you'd be more likely to get bleed working than crit I'd guess for multistrike).

Overall, I think bleed scaling on hammer throw smites is the easiest to get going currently

[junior wren]

multistrike - smite has a split in terms of multistrike doing melee dmg and smite doing spell dmg, so you focused on spell dmg, but your multistrike on bosses primarily did melee dmg and was weak. Both Palarus and Aurelis give you chance to proc smite from melee attacks, which would help your build on bosses even if you don't go the electrify route.

[junior wren]

the best way to scale smite dmg is from stacking maximum mana and using the Devotion amulet, then it would be dual wielding with two weapons that have +spell dmg on them, then spell crit and crit multiplier

until you find an off-hand sword with spelldmg, using a staff is probably the easiest way to get good numbers

[queen abyss]

currently lvl 87 I didnt build right this time but almost done all the monoliths

[alpine canopy]

btw @turbid dome (and other VK enjoyers), in case you missed it, time rot is being "reworked" in S2. Judd said "it's much more powerful and much more well supported throughout all the trees" in the Friday podcast.

[turbid dome]

holy

and we can do the set crafting stuff

forgotten knight set op

[alpine canopy]

Ooh yes, the time rot set!

Not gonna lie, if time rot looks viable in S2 it'll be very tempting

Can't wait to be havoc crafting T7 set affixes

[turbid dome]

ye

[waxen nymph]

Havoc Crafting?

[alpine canopy]

Using the new rune that shuffles affix tiers (since it will be the only way to get exalted set affixes)

[woven temple]

yea time rot being viable as a primary effect in your build would be nice, also paired with their announced set changes

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah! Not used to the name of the new runes yet

[turbid dome]

I hope it keeps its cap at 12 thing but you get some way to super scale its damage

So it’s not just most other dots but void

[alpine canopy]

Right, like maybe give it +1 void damage per vit

the ailments do need some more flavor to them, in general

[turbid dome]

or maybe, if I dare to think, +2 void dmg per vit

[waxen nymph]

Maybe more since it doesn't have Dmg Effectiveness

[wide ivy]

how does warpath work with worldsplitter? in terms of like channel cost vs mana cost

with regard to this

[waxen nymph]

Channel Cost =/= Mana Cost so no interaction here

[wide ivy]

unlucky

[river raptor]

Felt the same about the mana consuming node on judgement as it doesn't change the tooltip it doesn't work with stuff like the damage from mana cost node in the forge guard tree..

[urban phoenix]

kinda curious about this guy

Might be cool with warpath/forged weapons if you can get enough crit chance for the forged weaps

hopefully the "spiders" mechanic is cool.

[turbid dome]

Correct

Mana cost =\= channel cost =\=mana consumed

[turbid dome]

A lil weird that a minion weapon is a mace and not an axe with one of the minion implicits

[urban phoenix]

Yeah for sure, would have been cool if it was like a Soul Harvester or something.

Would go well with the flat necrotic dmg from phantom grips

Curious whether spiders is an ailment or an actual minion too

[turbid dome]

Tbh that flat necrotic is flavor

[turbid dome]

I hope it’s a minion

For the swarm!

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, would rather it was phys or something

Seriously XD

[turbid dome]

But the loooorrreeee

[alpine canopy]

Seems like it could be both

Like maybe when enemies die, a bunch of spiders pop out. Or a DOT that scales with minion damage would be interesting.

[turbid dome]

Dang broodmother in LE would be wack

[alpine canopy]

And it's the second unique minion mace, quite odd for an item class that gets no love 😂

[turbid dome]

There’s another unique minion mace?

Or do you mean the sun forged set mace

[alpine canopy]

I meant the armor shred one

Didn't actually think about 2h maces existing

Arek's Bones I think

[turbid dome]

That’s a mace?

I thought that was a scepter

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, kinda funny sceptres and maces are so similar

[turbid dome]

I do like what poe2 did with them

You feel that weird similarity in poe1 a lot

[urban phoenix]

Asked Ghazzy to put it in his questions for his interview in a couple days, it's on the list.

[alpine canopy]

Ooh nice, hope we get some spicy spider info then! (We need a Weaver emote in this Discord)

[turbid dome]

Yes

[spring pollen]

What % of players do you estimate will start sentinel this season? 🙂

[halcyon yoke]

depends how interesting it looks after the rework?

[winter copper]

5%

well depends on sorc and falconer changes

maybe more

[vivid talon]

not putting any stock in the rework? 😆

[winter copper]

ok 15% is my limit

lol

cause i know a lot of casuals will be hyped

[vivid talon]

sentinel will be swept forward on a tide of spin2win casuals 👍

[winter copper]

idk abt that hahah

all spin to win andies alreay playing it and judging from 1.1 and 1.0 its around 1% or 0.5%

[halcyon yoke]

there is also a new spin2win coming up for mage, so that will split the crowd

[vivid talon]

more realistically with how the past few masteries have gone sentinel will end up with something giga op

[woven temple]

35%

[woven temple]

5% of falconer mains maybe, but for the average player falconer balance is hardly relevant

[halcyon yoke]

ya, when you see 1% reach 300 corruption, dont think the meta is really defining what's being played
maybe more the builds their favorite content creators is making a video on, and thus here likely a lot of sentinel ones, with a few markman ones

[covert phoenix]

I'm going to have a new year resolution for season 2, I will play blade dancer shuriken + dancing strikes as main skills, let's go off meta!

[urban phoenix]

April 2nd can't come fast enough.

[spring sage]

Hi guys, quick question, since I've been away from the game for over a year. Im planning on playing sentinel because of the class rework, is VK warpath still the fastest leveling / early/mid monolith build when gear is scarce? Just trying to figure out what starter I should be practicing before I respec to my main build in the endgame

[winter copper]

warpath is zdps untill lvl 50 or so

dont think it was ever fastest leveling build

u start with rive(manifest weapons)+holy trail into holy trail+ rive with healing hands or hammers

[junior wren]

I don't know about that, the juicy 50 flat void disagrees.

[winter copper]

50 flat on what

U dont get that early on

And you also need ignite chance for timrot stacks, like past 35 lvl or so its ok

But even then wouldnt call it the best

[fair hollow]

hammers feel good to lvl with

[waxen nymph]

Hammer Throw do be really good to lvl with

[junior wren]

now that I think about it, there's actually some synergy to void warpath, since you can get ignite chance while holy trail is on cooldown 🤔

[waxen nymph]

Bleed is bonk

[winter copper]

thats an awful way to lvl, you need skill lvl8 for that+ (-cost nodes) and wont have any multipliers

like wp is not bad, but no way its fastest

[bold horizon]

its gonna be 100 flat after the patch

COPIUM

[quiet hearth]

Level with Vengeance like the devs intended

[winter copper]

ive done leveling with vengeance HH+holy trail

safe monos on lvl 25

[rancid lantern]

were there any teasers regarding how sentinel will feel like after next patch?

i only caught the dev chat and to summarize, the purpose seems to have been "build diversity"

and I think smoothening the power curve

if I understood that correctly

[alpine canopy]

Nothing about feel as far as I know, but that's pretty subjective so they probably avoid saying that

they've teased quite a few cool and spicy looking changes though

[rancid lantern]

May I have some links

[waxen nymph]

Pinned comments

[rancid lantern]

ah

[waxen nymph]

That's all the nodes we have been teased

[rancid lantern]

They did make it look like vengeance is gods intended skill

[alpine canopy]

Bladestorm on multistrike is quite neat

[rancid lantern]

yeah the swords felt kinda useless before

[waxen nymph]

But Iron Blades!

[rancid lantern]

actual divine bolt scaling

void stuff seems a bit meme but hey finally getting some defenses

i think itll boil down to devouring orb autobomber attempts

so many devouring orb autobombers

neat, so far. ill likely roll around the update, was nice to see you guys again

[inland quarry]

with the set crafting, it's a shame that sentinel can never make use of vilatria's storm crown. will the class requirements also carry over for set crafting?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[serene bough]

you might get to have fun with that some set only have some of the items locked to a class like the Corsair set where only the helm is rouge only i can see bugs happening with that

[winter copper]

make it make sense guys...

no flame to the creator but goddd this is why i dont like random guides

[inland quarry]

i have no idea what ur talking about

anyone know if there will be an improvement to the forgeguard class other than being able to wield 2h + shield? because honestly we just KNOW that will come with a downside, like 50% increased dmg taken or something. they have never liked sentinel so i doubt things are going to change...

[turbid dome]

That’s a fairly standard worldsplitter es spam setup?