yh ill try that blessing ontop of bleeding heart
#🔱┃sentinel
junior wren
leech is small percent over 3s, but he'll be hitting multiple times in 1s
turbid dome
I think it’s a dark sun blessing
silent holly
rip to my void res lol
turbid dome
leech is small percent over 3s, but he'll be hitting multiple times in 1s
Each hit creates its own instance of leech healing over 3s
junior wren
you think stacking will cover it?
turbid dome
In a void the heal cost gets smaller each cast
Given its % current health not %max health
Simply spec into the reduced health cost node until your damage gets high enough to where the spell leech blessing covers all the healing needs
junior wren
alright then
silent holly
yh ill find the balance, because atm im struggling more with dealing dmg than i am surviving
other than poison stacks nothing is killing me so far
and i have dogshit exalted gear on
and hardly any legendaries
turbid dome
Basically if your a health build and have leech, simply do more damage if your dying to stuff that isn’t a one shot
turbid dome
Leech is inherently overpowered compared to every other health restoration source cause it scales from your dmg
silent holly
yh leech is my fav easily
ive got melee leech on sword, spell leech in blessing and overall leech in amulet
if that cant cover the dmg from sac then ill just switch back to hit dmg against ign
silent holly
i had to replace an endurance threshold affix with a void res but thats alr
yh i got 1 point in it just to be safe atm
if it gets bad ill put another and another
turbid dome
Endurance threshold is bad for an affix
turbid dome
%is great
turbid dome
Cause if a hit knocks you under your endurance threshold, your endurance % applies to the portion of the hit that goes under the threshold
turbid dome
Think of it as one shot protection if you have 60% endurance and default endurance threshold
silent holly
yh i think i have 60%
i get 30 just for channelling
just making up the rest in bits and pieces
silent holly
alright then
you could be completely right, ill try it and post results here, sorry if i came across as rude lol
junior wren
no worries, your replies were not rude
silent holly
aight cool
i assume sac would be infinitely better in a ward based build
since ur not stacking or relying on health nearly as much
turbid dome
Low life ward, yeah
silent holly
i always find the idea of ward on sentinel weird tho
turbid dome
But that got balanced out with the ward formula rework
silent holly
yh
turbid dome
It still works but your at a reasonable amount of ward
silent holly
yh, probably just an aesthetics thing, ward feels alot more magicky to me
turbid dome
i always find the idea of ward on sentinel weird tho
Chuckles behind my apostate’s sanctuary
silent holly
lmao, you do you
as long as you enjoy it lol
its probably arguably more effective for survivability anyway
junior wren
void knights and their VIT boost 
junior wren
Low life ward, yeah
I'd say low life is pretty weird on a sentinel
junior wren
i assume sac would be infinitely better in a ward based build
there are other ways to solve sac. There's that passive you're already using that reduces health cost. It goes up to 100%.
There's https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgrATCxA
turbid dome
I'd say low life is pretty weird on a sentinel
silent holly
Yh I could get +level of smite
To stack atonement way harder
What do u get that on?
junior wren
on relic and some unique weapons
junior wren
<:gregory:1302067497620475987>
exsang really sucks, 700 armor exalted or 32 armor and low life 🚷
and without it, you'll barely get more than you invested
turbid dome
exsang really sucks, 700 armor exalted or 32 armor and low life 🚷
yeah it was only good when ward was turbo busted, now its just sorta busted
junior wren
no, low life is good for int characters
junior wren
just not for the armor stacker
junior wren
luckily, regen ward works great, HH works great too
waxen nymph
Is the HH Ward gain any good ?
turbid dome
Isn’t that’s the thing that’s bugged, like it says per 10% healing effectiveness but is actually per 100%
waxen nymph
I think I saw someone mentionning it
junior wren
HH has like 5 ward gain mechanics, only one of them is bugged
if you main HH, it's good. If you smite proc HH, it's good. If you stack healing effectiveness, it's good.
I'm gonna try HH ward proc with multistrike (ie. none of the three things I described as good) and see how good it is, I assume it's gonna be weak/not enough
but who knows when I'll get to playing my FG again 😄
but FG is gonna have some attunement, it'll be between 200-400 healing eff which is a lot less than my smite build
I assume any ward is better than wasted healing though 🤔
wise crow
Is bleed paladin a good starter? I kinda wanna play something that's not sorc or necro LOL
waxen nymph
Yes, very strong
Hammer Smite is very popular
If you are playing offline or dont mind weird stuff happening or using a macro but shhhhhh Shield Rush is also really strong
wise crow
What is a hammer smite? Is it nova hammerdin?
Sorry its my first time playing senti LOL
waxen nymph
No worries, always happy to rescue a lost soul that have been playing smth else than the real deal > Sentinel
Hammer Throw spiral + Orbit with Cast on Throwing Hit Idols
waxen nymph
Oh its the lightning thor hammer spinny thingy
Yeah Lightning is good for Bleed
waxen nymph
for FG, what's a good build?
Forged Weapons are decent enough
Shield Rush (still has some sync server issues)
Manifest Armor is really good
Oo Anyone did Shield Rush World Splitter before ?
Well, the aoe is really nice but Shield Rush is so laggy
junior wren
Bleed Shield rush is good too
another good FG is Siege Barrage Javelin, both hit and DoT versions
alpine canopy
Oo Anyone did Shield Rush World Splitter before ?
I definitely thought about it, but after they made it a non-traversal (no more ward from experimental boots), I lost the willpower to attempt dealing with the lagginess 😂
feral umbra
Any builds that use javalin as the main source of damage without smite?
turbid dome
Wouldn’t that just be a regular throwing build but with a spear as your weapon?
alpine canopy
Any builds that use javalin as the main source of damage without smite?
Technically holy trail. Otherwise I don't think so. You can certainly try just rolling straight siege barrage as throwing crit, if you want.
feral umbra
Thank ya kindly! I’ll look into these paths as right now my spear throwing is lacking a certain oomph
waxen nymph
Oo
!!!
Just got an idea for Sigeon Reprisal
What if you use Warpath and never hard cast ST
You dont need to suffer from the Dmg penalty inside ST
Hum ... Not sure I want RoS now that I think about it
Otherwise I wont be able to block and procc the STs
junior wren
so you traded 1 ST once every 2 seconds (at worst) for 25% chance to proc ST when something hits you and you block. How does Warpath come into that? Just for the Block Chance?
junior wren
you won't even get to bosses. 46 mana cost per ST
waxen nymph
I assume its going to be free
junior wren
no 😄
junior wren
Nope, I haven't tried proccing Shield Throw. But I am proccing Healing Hands and it isn't free. Neither is Static Orb
waxen nymph
But Smite is free with the idols for exemple
junior wren
I'm pretty sure it isn't
waxen nymph
Smite is
junior wren
https://youtu.be/FabDZGfzBEI?t=41 so he starts spinning, his mana stays at 239/240. As soon as smites start to rain down, mana starts moving down.
waxen nymph
"This Consume Smite's Mana Cost
Also use Holy Aura
From Palarus I am not sure
But from the idols I know without the shadow of a doubt its free
Also I just tested the shield + ST and its free
junior wren
interesting, so not all procs are the same in terms of mana cost
waxen nymph
Trying to upload a video
...
Hard to see ST inside the pack but you can see the stack of Phys and Fire Shred
I wonder if ST cast this way benefit from the More Dmg per Mana Cost
junior wren
Logically it didn't cost mana so I would say no, but who knows 😄
waxen nymph
junior wren
I'm not a fan of retaliation builds. Having to take damage to deal damage doesn't sound very efficient, and as you said bossing is gonna be a problem
alpine canopy
I wonder if ST cast this way benefit from the More Dmg per Mana Cost
Procs never benefit from that stat, even if they do consume mana since it counts actual mana spent to directly cast (once it procs it does pass down to subskills and ailments like normal, though).
(Edit: apparently this one is different and does work!)
quiet hearth
I'm not a fan of retaliation builds. Having to take damage to deal damage doesn'...
Grim Dawn pretty much fixed this issue
waxen nymph
Procs never benefit from that stat, even if they do consume mana since it counts...
Will see ^^ but that going to be hard to test
junior wren
seeing Father Toast's edit, we might wanna start collecting the test results somewhere 👀
restive plinth
Holy shit the paladin smiter is a beast compated to werebear druid. Clears so fast and tanky af. It is busted
waxen nymph
Selfcast Smite ?
waxen nymph
So Smite + HH I guess ?
waxen nymph
What Werebear build were you playing ? Because it has some super strong setup
restive plinth
I just started monolith at lvl 65 and had a swipe physical werebear with maelstrom for frenzy and buffs
Worked fine but smite pally seems 10x better
But still lvl 50 with pally so will see
Easy to get full resistances and go defensive and the damage seems to just come out from nowhere even with basic gear
I am surprised
Roam around with shield rush like fast&furious. Crazy
waxen nymph
Thats Sentinel (especially Paladin) for you
First layers of defenses are really easy to get
But top end tankiness is weak
But before 300-500C I dont think you will feel it
restive plinth
I see. I guess that is a common problem for melee though?
waxen nymph
Thats more of a Sentinel problem
restive plinth
Why?
waxen nymph
It lacks %Less Dmg Taken or other sources of Defense
restive plinth
I see
waxen nymph
Res, Crit Mitigation, Hp, Armor are what Sentinel is good at
But everyone can do it
Block is also Sentinel special but not every build can use a shield
Maybe you need a 2h or DW
restive plinth
This smiter goes shiled i think
End build like 54% block chance and 59% less dmg on block
Only thing i find annoying is to keep up sigils every 10 sec
restive plinth
Yes low mana build
junior wren
I don't know about the sentinel tankiness problem. It seems to me most builds are just ignoring armor
and if you think about it, multiple sources of % less dmg taken have diminishing returns. The higher your highest DR% goes, the less impact you see from the other sources
let's say you take 1000 damage and you have 70% DR, and another 15% DR. Formula is damage * (1 - damage reduction %) = result.
1000 * 0.3 = 300 or 700 dmg prevented. Then the next layer is 300 * 0.85 = 255, or 45 damage prevented.
If you only had the 15% DR layer, it would be 1000 * 0.85 = 850 or 150 damage prevented.
Recently I watched a video from Dr3ad where he comments on how his build (Smelter's Wrath) was chosen for the Eterra Monthly devblog. He mentioned how Sentinel "has just gone through a very large amount of defensive nerfs", but he mentioned armor from sigils removal, which I had to search for and turns out it was a change from 1,5 years ago (and not every Sentinel uses Sigils anyway), and finally he mentioned health, but afaik there was no health passive nerf so idk what he meant. AFAIK the only recent nerf was the removal of Hammer and Anvil stance, which was a DR% source, and the diminishing return I explained above, so, why is tankiness a problem really? 😄
waxen nymph
But to get to that 70% DR from Armor you need to sell a kidney and 1/3 of your liver, whereas other classes goes to similar lvl of tankiness for cheaper
junior wren
I really wonder what makes you think so
I added T5 armor/crit reduction and T7 % increased armor to these two items, combined it with armor blessings, and I'm up to 69%
normally I would have some STR, other gear pieces, some flat armor from passives, you can have armor idols too
Other classes... Mage doesn't go to 70% this easily.
waxen nymph
Mages can deflect dmg to their mana, can generate more ward than you will have hp
And still get a decent amount of Armor if they wanted to
junior wren
Rogues have Glancing Blow support which is only 35% DR. Dodge support is good too, but that's avoidance.
Primalists idk, I haven't looked into that class much
junior wren
Mages can deflect dmg to their mana, can generate more ward than you will have ...
I can do that too on Sentinel 😄
and how many % of mages use mana before health affixes?
some Sorcerers do. Not all of them. Runemasters and Spellblades? Way less than Sorcerers do.
junior wren
And still get a decent amount of Armor if they wanted to
Afaik mages go for 1000 flat armor bonus from flame ward, which is a temporary bonus while Flame Ward is active, that's 3-4 seconds. I don't usually see them run 3 charges flame ward, so that isn't sustainable.
Teleport has 250 armor, that one is sustainable, but if you look at LETools, only 33% spellblade builds use teleport, and only 16% RM builds use teleport 🤷♂️
but I'd say most don't go for armor
I started as a mage, and switched to sentinel in 1.1, and in my opinion Sentinel is way more tanky than mage
sometimes I get the feeling that there are these "accepted truths" that don't really have a lot of substance to them
waxen nymph
I added T5 `armor/crit reduction` and T7 `% increased armor` to these two items,...
But where is you %Health ?
Because now you dont have room to put it in
You are missing on 2 big gear slots for %Health
junior wren
normally I would have some STR, other gear pieces, some flat armor from passives...
I mentioned normally having other sources of armor. So, in an actual build planner and not a test with 2 items, I can have both % Armor and % Health
or I can generate more Ward than I will have hp 😄
smite build was discussed earlier so for example here's Aaron's smite build https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbMRzd6A
crude matrixBOT
chilly peak
I think Vlad doesn' want to say that Semtinels have paper armor, you can get a decent level of tankiness ofc.
The thing is, that other classes usually have the same, but more options for other stuff (better Ward gen, direct DR and what not)
Please correct me if I see that wrong, good Sir ^^
turbid dome
Imo sentinel mainly feels squishy vs dots, which isn’t helped by dots being terrifying rn
Or for non phys dots to be defended by a percent of a percent
vernal scroll
Is there a manifest armor Forge guard build where you don't need to swap armor everytime ?
waxen nymph
Swapping Gear is due to an abuse of an intended mechanic > Snapshotting
Hopefully it get fixed soon and you wont feel like you have to do that
Also you dont really need to do that
alpine canopy
Will see ^^ but that going to be hard to test
True... I wonder is there an easy to proc throwing attack to test instead of proc shield throw? I'm thinking the easiest is throwing axe, but maybe there's a better one I'm not thinking of?
alpine canopy
@waxen nymph I have verified that Mike's quick code look was accurate, crushing blows does truly just look at the tooltip mana cost, not actual mana spent. 5/5 points in crushing blows gives 11% more damage to axe throw with a 22 mana cost tooltip (cost boosted with shield breaker 6/6).
waxen nymph
Noice
junior wren
what would happen, if you spec smite into Fissure, Aftershock and Descend (+35) and then proc it with throwing skills
turbid dome
doesnt fissure increase fissure mana cost and not smite mana cost
junior wren
you're right
and i just realized fissure listed mana cost is 25, but the passive in Smite says "fissure costs 10 mana" 
turbid dome
its +10... but it doesn't cost 35 mana right?
turbid dome
subskill moment
alpine canopy
what would happen, if you spec smite into Fissure, Aftershock and Descend (+35) ...
Crushing blows only applies to melee and throwing skills unless it's bugged, so it will never affect smite
turbid dome
that too
junior wren
rip spellforgeguard
alpine canopy
Time to scour Sentinel for silly interactions nonetheless
Maybe I should also check if the damage is passed down to and/or procs on subskills
junior wren
Alignment + snapshotting on channeled skills + channeled healing hands?
turbid dome
🤔
junior wren
not sure if it works that way though. Compared to actual channeled skills like disintegrate, this one just looks as if it keeps casting healing hands
turbid dome
how does it work with channeled fireball?
junior wren
doesn't proc divine bolts, so it's handled as one direct cast though, i tested that
alpine canopy
Channeled HH does snapshot
inland quarry
I think I'm going to do a disintegrating hammer build next season. no uniques required, and all the mods it requires are extremely cheap and unwanted.
i did one on FC and it was as powerful as a fully kitted erasing strike world splitter VK. and it could've been stronger because i only had shitty gear on.
didn't feel like farming for good gear, but i could buy it with the market faction next season.
waxen nymph
junior wren
that's new
turbid dome
👀
alpine canopy
"physical chance" 
Hopefully this is a sign of more vengeance changes incoming! Either way, seems like that may be a buff to my flame burst pally already, neat!
Notably, no mention of iron blades on there... interesting
junior wren
probably means "physical resistance shred chance"
I'm more interested in the "from all sources" part
right now the only source for physical shred is the blessing
alpine canopy
probably means "physical resistance shred chance"
Yeah for sure it does, I just thought this little typo was funny
alpine canopy
right now the only source for physical shred is the blessing
Vengeance has phys res shred in its spec currently
junior wren
oh yeah, I meant as a source outside of vengeance that could be converted with that new node
alpine canopy
although it's the opposite way from how this works, it gets fire res shred and there's a node that does nothing other than convert it to phys shred (so, I'd guess that side of the tree is getting changed, doubt they'd have both of these)
junior wren
yeah, I know it had its uses, but it was weird that you'd get a fire shred on a physical skill, and then you'd have to spend extra points to make it physical again
alpine canopy
oh yeah, I meant as a source outside of vengeance that could be converted with t...
Ah, it's just a standard wording which is how most modern conversions work - current vengeance shred conversion isn't compatible with the blessing shred, also covers any future things they may decide to add
junior wren
mmmm, future things 👀
here's hoping that Vengeance gets some nice flexibility for non-physical builds. Maybe a lightning conversion? 😏
alpine canopy
Lightning seems very unlikely, but I wouldn't turn it down lol
junior wren
when I hear the word Vengeance, I think of lightning
Thinking about it from the damage types of masteries, physical is primarily FG, fire is both FG and Pally, lightning is Pally and VK is void. We have Void melee attacks, Fire melee attacks, Physical melee attacks, but we have no lightning melee attacks.
turbid dome
I'm still hoping theres more support for pure phys sentinel
alpine canopy
Thinking about it from the damage types of masteries, physical is primarily FG, ...
All the masteries have phys as one of their mains, but it is kinda meh on all of them currently
Would be nice to get a lightning melee, not sure if we ever will though since lightning is pretty limited. We do have MS and HH that both can have some melee with a slight lightning flavor
turbid dome
I mean current rive would work-ish for melee lightning
alpine canopy
I mean current rive would work-ish for melee lightning
Why is that? You mean just from its generic stuff like foe cleaver?
crude matrixBOT
autumn knot
Think I’m done with LE for this cycle. Too many bugs and tired of my Forgotten Knights reputation being reset
I have 600mbps download and upload speed and the rest of my internet was fine but then LE’s connection froze and I exited client immediately but it couldn’t close for like 3 minutes 🙃
Appreciate all the interactions I’ve had here. Love the Sentinel community 😄
Cya next cycle lol
turbid dome
Why is that? You mean just from its generic stuff like foe cleaver?
yeah
junior wren
🇫
slow plaza
maybe one day they will bug fix them
waxen nymph
What are the bugs?
waxen nymph
@cobalt blade
turbid dome
Weird to proc + hard to scale dmg, I’m excited for what else they do to iron blades
junior wren
Oh wait that’s 80% on both smacks and riposte smacks???
previously up to 20% on hit and up to 80% on riposte, but it cost 11 points to max out 😄
Now it costs attunement which is questionable. Is vengeance gonna scale with ATN now? But four times higher chance on hit is definitely an upgrade. And the 2 point cost.
junior wren
Never used Vengeance and Riposte, not sure how iron blade looks like
https://youtu.be/o7MKa1siKfg?t=550 it's a flying sword
alpine canopy
Ooooh, you're telling me I don't need to spend half of the skill points in vengeance on it, and I'll also get like doubled chance? 👀
Since I only use iron blade on fire burst, I'm already getting a lot of attunement, so that's like free
(Oh, and in my planner I already hit 40 attunement, so I cap it out perfectly since I probably want the range anyway)
alpine canopy
previously up to 20% on hit and up to 80% on riposte, but it cost 11 points to m...
I think the 50% on riposte is "on use", so it wouldn't add to the 30% "on hit"
austere coral
I like this new Iron Blade node, but I have personal problem with Vengeance - last time I used it was last time I played HC, its short range made me miss enemy by a milimeter and dying to HH not proccing. If I played Rive back then, that wouldn't happen
desert lodge
i have HH not proc on Rive too. my character seems to start swinging before they're actually in range so i have to inch forward as i swing
upbeat walrus
Im doing WP ignite, just kinda having some fun.... but my question is im lvl 87 and not new but im new back to the game after a long break.... im struggling with getting 1 shot or really just kinda weak def wise... but my stats seem decent and i got 1815 hp... so can someone help me go over my build and tell me where i can improve?
waxen nymph
Im doing WP ignite, just kinda having some fun.... but my question is im lvl 87 ...
Import your character there and copy the link here
But 1.8k hp is super low
Also are you in Empowered?
Do you have some crit Mitigation?
Some Endurance?
upbeat walrus
crude matrixBOT
upbeat walrus
im doing empowered yes
warped night
low armor for a sentinel as well
upbeat walrus
106 is where im at currently
waxen nymph
Too much res
upbeat walrus
where should i focus my attention first?
warped night
new belt
aim for exalted %health or hybrid health
get the % armor blessing from age of winter
% health on chest would help too
upbeat walrus
so is +hp not good ? cause i have that on both
warped night
typically %hp will get you more hp than just +hp, but ideally you want both
exalteded % hp & flat hp is what I usually aim for on helm and chest
upbeat walrus
low armor, too much res, new belt and armor with %hp or hybrid hp, get % armor blessing age of winter
thanks guys
ill try to focus on this
warped night
another place where you can get health somwhat easily would be your idols. you could go for "vigorous stout idol of health"
like this
upbeat walrus
on avg, how much hp should i look for? 3k? 4k?
I have all my idols with % to warpath really
warped night
3k+ is what I aim for
upbeat walrus
i have 2 of those idols you linked, but is it worth trading out the warpath %
warped night
probably, but give it a shot and see if you can manage without it
no harm in testing
warped night
that second one is good. max out the %hp and add fire damage and ignite duration as the prefix
warped night
yuge
turbid dome
🤔
vague trench
i dont have any builds that would use the double +3, but its still neat to see
full oasis
anyone here who has a spare Sanctum Key for me(i mean to open one) i lost my last cause of Disconection
sudden pilot
hello, do we know if the ignite stacks are consumed after the 3rd rive attack has landed or before
sudden pilot
mostly asking cause i'm curious if the 3rd hit is affected by this or not (depending on when the consuming happens)
sudden pilot
so the consuming is the last thing that happens
thanks!
that might be a fun build then hitting hard then getting the buff
waxen nymph
You know the buff stacks right ?
sudden pilot
yup, just wanted to know if the 45% multiplier from enemy being ignited is applied to the 3rd hit
sick lintel
@waxen nymph right ive found it, how do i share it with you?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2dlzn9B maybe this works
crude matrixBOT
cobalt blade
Oof am on mobile while in underground train, line is bad to see
I see you took the dual wield node but using a 2 hander?
The glove could use a change, the avarice doesnt do much at your level other than the elemental resistance but you can get them elsewhere
sick lintel
I see you took the dual wield node but using a 2 hander?
are you talking about blademaster?
cobalt blade
No.. atk spd on blademaster for warpath is godsend
junior wren
he didn't take the dw node
cobalt blade
The node is gladiator
junior wren
I see you have only 4 skills selected, got any ideas what you want as 5th?
cobalt blade
Ahh my bad.. prolly tapped it on my mobile
I would personally take off temporal corruption and void blades and put the points into eternal form. Health and vit are dayum
And then add points to doom knight as you level up
sick lintel
I see you have only 4 skills selected, got any ideas what you want as 5th?
5th is sigals of hope
need paladin 15
cobalt blade
Shield rush as your traversal skill?
cobalt blade
I pref void cleave, lunge is great too but you need a target
sick lintel
im quite content with the movement i find it quite fluid
cobalt blade
+30% movespeed when i use warpath
This is normally used to offset the movement penalty while spinning
junior wren
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2dlzn9B maybe this works
You might wanna do some shopping. You teleport to a town (any town really), check the local vendor for rare items, buy anything that looks okay. If they have nothing, teleport to another town.
Amulet is only T10 and bad item base. Look for amulet with % Attack Speed, or % Resistance if you have survivability issues.
Relic could be better too. Dread Banner is a relic with implicit % increased Void Damage
I would replace your unique Belt for literally anything else. Look for % Void Damage and Health affixes.
Replace Gloves too. Look for % Attack Speed, Armor Shred, Health.
Weapon might be harder to replace, but you want Void instead of Fire damage, and you can also have % Attack Speed.
If you play the Merchants guild faction, you may be able to find cheap rare and exalted gear in the Bazaar too
sick lintel
You might wanna do some shopping. You teleport to a town (any town really), chec...
yh, alot of the stuff i need (sword a big dmg boost) is level 77 plus
plus i have a loot filter looking for all this just not had any luck dropped
boots im looking for darkstriders
waxen nymph
A few pts in Cyclone of War would help with Base Crit
cobalt blade
You will need crit mitigation when you reach empowered mono, you can get some crit avoidance from one of the blessing
waxen nymph
Also your Weapon is not super sexy
Your prefixes are wasted
cobalt blade
Super sexy 
waxen nymph
Not like you Wicked 
sick lintel
Also your Weapon is not super sexy
Your prefixes are wasted
its the best thing ive had drop for me recently 😢 luck is not on my side with gear in this game
cobalt blade
Its okay.. i knew my twap wp is not sexy at all
sick lintel
when im 77 imma buy a dark hollow blade from vendor
junior wren
👀
cobalt blade
Damn my line so bad i cant see that attachment
waxen nymph
when im 77 imma buy a dark hollow blade from vendor
Never, I think the bases they can sell stop at lvl 50 or so
Donjt waste your time with the Vendor/Gamblor
sick lintel
Never, I think the bases they can sell stop at lvl 50 or so
sorry when i say vendor i mean the guild trading thing
junior wren
bazaar
sick lintel
auction house or what its called here
waxen nymph
OH!
junior wren
well since you have bazaar, you can buy uniques. https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsGYEYE4g
waxen nymph
Honestly a nice Odachi if you take Cyclone of War is also super powerful
cobalt blade
Base crit chance is dayum
junior wren
buy a merophage, shatter your old sword (or buy another to shatter with nice stats) and boom instant upgrade
sick lintel
im going down the maw route end game
need to learn crafting tho cause apparently i need to make it legendary so
junior wren
I have a forge guard, currently lower level than you are. My upgrade path is The Last Laugh unique sword into Leviathan unique Sword into Exalted Odachi 😄
sick lintel
yh theres alot that im still lost on like upgrading uniques, sealed affixes, t20 gear and how to change prefixes/suffixes
junior wren
actually Leviathan is there mostly because I happend to get it from Rune of Ascendance 😄
you can save legendaries for later, you need to be able to clear T3 dungeon to get legendary Maw
sick lintel
okay this is gonna sound dumb but theres dungeons?
sick lintel
yeah i assumed they were for chests 😆
junior wren
nope, they are for dungeons 🙂 and if you die in the dungeon, you lose the key
sick lintel
how hard are dungeons?
junior wren
there are 4 difficulty levels, first one starts around level 30-50. but you need at least the third level, which is harder than empowered monolith
so better to prepare yellow gear first
cobalt blade
I reach home and i can see attachment now RAWRR
sick lintel
okay, so can i take prefixes and suffixes off gear?
junior wren
By sealing for example. Basically you're crafting + using Glyph of despair and that gives a chance to seal. Sealing can fail, so you can only seal Tier 1-2 affixes to have good chances.
sick lintel
okay i might have to turn to youtube to learn this
cobalt blade
okay, so can i take prefixes and suffixes off gear?
It depends on your luck with the Forging Potential consumption. Rune of removal can randomly remove any of the 4 affixes but the FP cost is rather high unless your glyph of hope proc
junior wren
Another way is rune of removal, but that randomly removes an affix, so basically 1:4 chance you break your good item.
And finally glyph of chaos, which randomly selects a different affix. Very unreliable
sick lintel
okay that makes sense
so my helmet for example what should i do to it, keep, upgrade, bin?
junior wren
your helmet stats are okay, but base is weak
there are helmets with 300+ armor and other bonuses, so you want to upgrade to those and find similarly good stats
cobalt blade
Info from Perry the Pig in regards to sealing affix
junior wren
T5 is guaranteed if you use Rune of Research on an experimental 😉
tacit zealot
yes let me just fit VZ summon on potion on a paladin hahaha
might be good to look out for squidy
cobalt blade
Yea, normally Sentinels would want to use the Leonine Greathelm or Terror Crown
unless you picked a unique
sick lintel
yeah endgame guide im following says greathelm
sick lintel
yh that one
junior wren
yes let me just fit VZ summon on potion on a paladin hahaha
my go-to experimentals are usually Armor vs. DoT / HP to Ward on gloves and Ward Threshold on Belt
cobalt blade
that is dayum amount of armor and crit mitigation
tacit zealot
interesting......not followed a guide that suggests a non exalted skill level
sick lintel
idk if maxroll is the best but ive used them for a longtime so trust it
tacit zealot
far from it imo
sick lintel
junior wren
some guides are good, some are outdated and some are outright bad 😄
tacit zealot
they are great for diablo guides but other games they lack
sick lintel
urmmm okay then, any LE ones recommended?
tacit zealot
i havent followed a guide for a long time i get my enjoyment of making a build as i go along based on items i have/get
LEtools
cobalt blade
i take it as maxroll to reach 300c no problemo, but not all is high corruption viable, rather outdated
junior wren
you can probably trust them with class guides, since they actually play the builds they write about
tacit zealot
you can also build plan, see every item, see where they drop
yeah ignore my opinion on maxroll haha i just personally dont like them compared to something like LEtools
sick lintel
LE tools had no warpath endgame builds
junior wren
tacit zealot
very handy for seeing how to get more levels to a skill though and what other skills use it
sick lintel
wtf
sick lintel
press X to doubt https://www.lastepochtools.com/builds/filter/skill=warpath&lang...
mine showed 6 lmao wtf
cobalt blade
uhh
tacit zealot
junior wren
filters 🙂
cobalt blade
69
sick lintel
lemmie check out that top one then
junior wren
that top one is dual wield and requires loot from pinnacle boss though
cobalt blade
yea, it is not a cheap build
tacit zealot
yeah my ss was from "builds" not build guides
and i just clicked vk only for filters
just showing that 2 shown up on first page XD
sick lintel
hmm okay
junior wren
oh i see, he was in "build guides" section 😄
tacit zealot
#options
junior wren
yeah, "build guides" only has up-to-date paladin guides
tacit zealot
best tab on the site though hahaha
cobalt blade
LETools superiority... dont shoot me
tacit zealot
i second this motion... change my mind
sick lintel
so the wander build isnt viable then?
cobalt blade
it is but uhh... you need alot of specific affixes
sick lintel
as in not viable cause i need to kill bosses for loot
tacit zealot
just dont expect to get the gear/stats they show in a small amount of time either lol
cobalt blade
the rive mana gain on helm etc
junior wren
yeah, not viable for you right now
sick lintel
okay ill keep following maxroll then and use that as a target for endgame
junior wren
it burns mana real fast and then refills it back, and it can only use Void Cleave thanks to a specific item that drops from endgame bosses
you can actually tell how difficult a build is by the amount of icons
actually a nice feature of LEtools
the more unique icons you see, the more likely a build needs specific gear
sick lintel
ah okay
tacit zealot
if you go into "builds" then scroll down so you see void knight on the right then click it theres another build 3rd option thats for leveling
junior wren
and flat melee
tacit zealot
junior wren
in 2024 you can say like women to bear
cobalt blade
oh yea there is endurance implicit as well
tacit zealot
still 24 guides for vk and wp selected
sick lintel
damn okay ill change it up when im back online then later
tacit zealot
it might turn out you prefer the layout or feel of the maxroll guide but with more options to look through you can also see what other items/stat rolls can be viable till you get the items you need
cobalt blade
which? where
junior wren
this one
cobalt blade
dreamthorn is okay for leveling no?
junior wren
yeah but the planner is lvl 100
cobalt blade
OOF
sick lintel
so levelling builds are used to level 100?
tacit zealot
dreamthorn in the planner?
yeah also code of the erased like those are easy to get but not when its asking for specific stats lol
junior wren
so levelling builds are used to level 100?
some are, yes
sick lintel
damn okay, i was playing like other arpgs where level to like 50 and then swap
cobalt blade
if u are lucky with nemysus with a good maw, you can change straight away 
junior wren
most builds you can play as soon as you learn the main skill
warpath is viable from 0 to max
junior wren
on pally i leveled with warpath, then swapped into healing hands around lvl 30
tacit zealot
yall do a leveling build into engame? i just do my engame thoughts all throughout (providing i have gear to do it) if not i get as close as i can
sick lintel
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3waw5ko okay so this one, should i use it until i get either a good maw or level 90
crude matrixBOT
cobalt blade
you will definitely get lotsa exalted and not use yellow items by that time
tacit zealot
make sure to look on le tools items (press and hold z so you can hover the items stat sheet/scroll down to see where to farm)
just in case you dont find one by the time you get to here in empowereds
sick lintel
can i just buy one?
tacit zealot
oh you're on MG
sick lintel
yeah
sick lintel
i thought this one would be better
tacit zealot
nah its not but yes you can buy them
junior wren
I mean, i told him earlier to buy a merophage and shatter his current weapon for instant upgrade 🤷♂️
tacit zealot
neither is better its all down to personal preference
sick lintel
I mean, i told him earlier to buy a merophage and shatter his current weapon for...
this one?
junior wren
yup
sick lintel
so i shatter my odachi and it gains all the stats?
tacit zealot
normally im always trade but cof makes it fun to hunt your own items
waxen nymph
It gains between 1 shard (so like a t1 of one stat) to everything
sick lintel
normally im always trade but cof makes it fun to hunt your own items
i wouldve picked it but i play such a variaty that i would rather grind gold and buy items that i dont get lucky with
tacit zealot
you need to have that sword equip before you dismantle though
sick lintel
ill check the price on both and see which i prefer
tacit zealot
i wouldve picked it but i play such a variaty that i would rather grind gold and...
im so far from knowing anything about MG i dont even understand how people can grind the millions it needs, my longest run i got no more than 13m gold in cof
junior wren
or you could also buy a Maw right now, it's lvl 65
sick lintel
ill check prices
tacit zealot
ill check the price on both and see which i prefer
the mero was suggested as a stepping stone till you get maw
junior wren
you have to sort by Low to High, and I'm sure there will be 0 gold cost
tacit zealot
how do yall farm billions of gold?
tacit zealot
i seriously dont understand how people get that type of money in this game ive only ever played cof though
i have 6m in legacy
junior wren
I don't like grinding
cobalt blade
billions huh? not sure are remnants of the gold dupe
tacit zealot
i dont mind it if its easy and not a lot of steps
why arent things costing billions no more?
junior wren
you bet there are remnants of gold dupe. items that cost billions
tacit zealot
like naturally i mean?
cobalt blade
i only have like 44 - 48mils playing COF since 1.0
tacit zealot
whats the general price range of things on mg
tacit zealot
but like 100m+ 500m+??
junior wren
+4 to skill usually hundreds of millions yes
t7 affixes in general varies a lot
t7 hp regen dirt cheap, but t7 healing efficiency also costs millions 😄
tacit zealot
so yeah even so hundreds of millions........how unless you know how to flip the market
damn id be a billionaire if i could sell my pally stuff hahaha
pretty much the only class i play (well none since ward nerf)
junior wren
I was tempted to sell my +4 healing hands helmet, i would have raked in 100mil 😄
tacit zealot
i miss my 80k ward instakill div bolts pally lol
i stupidly deleted my best char thinking id never go on legacy
cobalt blade
Beeg Ouch
tacit zealot
to then go on legacy to mess about and find out im missing my op HH helm
junior wren
It's still awesomesauce. It got a little dangerous when I approached 300c, so I incorporated regen and Vessel and now it's smooth again
tacit zealot
then figuring out i deleted it XD
junior wren
my gear is trash and I'm reaching 6k Ward 😄
tacit zealot
ive not fully regeared everything still rocking the old judgement aura build for some of my gear so im only capping out at 119 cast speed whereas i was pushing 200 before because i dont have my 4lp helm or ladle haha
junior wren
oof, judgement aura and cast speed
tacit zealot
nooooo
i had a legacy pally that was doing judgement aura
then i switched some gear to test how badly the ward nerf hit
tacit zealot
but since missing most of my BIS gear from main char i deleted i dont have all the cast speed
i wasnt doing the channel last time though
i was manually casing hh and they was doing the divine bolts
isnt the channel capped?
junior wren
yeah, but the channeling simulates 4 casts/sec so you can test high cast speed ward gain
obv. divine bolts won't work, but ward gen does
tacit zealot
what does 4 casts per sec translate into %
junior wren
someting like 172%?
junior wren
yeah pretty close
sick lintel
either of you MG?
junior wren
yup I am MG
tacit zealot
nope hate it
sick lintel
yup I am MG
can i only rank up from selling or buying too?
tacit zealot
i dont really ive just never tried it lol
junior wren
can i only rank up from selling or buying too?
you rank up by killing monsters primarily
tacit zealot
1 favor is 1 rep iirc?
sick lintel
you rank up by killing monsters primarily
ah okay coolio
junior wren
spending favor works too of course, but majority comes from killing
waxen nymph
what does 4 casts per sec translate into %
Do you have this ?
junior wren
and later on exalted and legendary gear costs thousands of favor, so you wanna save up that favor
sick lintel
yeah
waxen nymph
Do you have this ?
If no you need 172%
tacit zealot
Do you have this ?
yeah on both builds
i had t7 cast speed everywhere i could hahah
vr for the cast speed and auto cast holy aura for more lol
ward was my only def layer i had lol iirc i had around 1k-1.3k hp, no endurance or block (using cata for implicit crit)
thats why its failing now not really the cast speed
waxen nymph
So you need 300% ish to get to 4/sec
waxen nymph
Better go with the channeled node then no ?
junior wren
it's a bit unclear in the description, but that -% cast speed is less, so the more cast speed you have, the more cast speed it takes away
waxen nymph
Its in the Alt Text
tacit zealot
its not a build im playing was just making conversation about it, cant even remember how it lead to me mentioning it XD
huh it scales with your max cast speed?
interesting
junior wren
yeah, it's not flat -16%, it's a multiplier
tacit zealot
i thought it had its own base cast speed which it modifies that
waxen nymph
yeah, it's not flat -16%, it's a multiplier
32% for 2 pts
I feel like the Channeled node is better if you take Virtue of Patience, because now instead of investing heavily in CS you can go from more Crit Stats, no ?
junior wren
it does say it stacks multiplicatively in the alt description yeah, but that's exactly what's wrong with it. There should be the keyword less. And I hate that the wording is inconsistent between various skills and passives. For example Void Knight's final talent Avatar of Regret says "Reduced Attack Speed" .
tacit zealot
the extra healing eff back when the ward wasnt nerfed was worth the less cast speed though i did try it out and i gained more ward overall with this node than without
junior wren
and he also used divine bolts, right?
junior wren
so you can't do channeled
waxen nymph
it does say it stacks multiplicatively in the alt description yeah, but that's e...
Because thats substracted to Inc AS not a Division
tacit zealot
this isnt a talk about a current build im playing. i took this build all the way past 1k corruption before ward nerf
waxen nymph
Its not the same type of "Reduction"
Sure Virtue of Patience should say "HH has Less Cast Speed"
But Avatar is a Reduced AS not a Less AS
So thats good
junior wren
ah great, bad example
okay, then Hammer Throw - Disintegrating Aura. That one says "less"
I'm okay with
increased - reduced
more - less
but it has to be consistent
tacit zealot
so does it affect global attack speed or just manual casts?
junior wren
Another bad exemple says Less and its Multiplicative
that's a good example no?
waxen nymph
Or do you mean the bottom part
waxen nymph
that's a good example no?
Less is always multiplicative
Reduced is always additive
tacit zealot
since you can take the smite node for example would that still reduce your global cast speed still?
waxen nymph
You havent provided an exemple where it says Less and its Additive, or Otherwise
junior wren
Maybe we got lost in the examples 😄
What I meant, is that Healing Hands description does not contain the word "less" to describe its multiplicative reduction of Cast Speed. And I wanted to show an example of a skill that does say less.
waxen nymph
Maybe we got lost in the examples 😄
What I meant, is that Healing Hands descrip...
This one I agree with you, you shouldnt have to go to the Alt Text
waxen nymph
since you can take the smite node for example would that still reduce your globa...
Thats node in Smite is just for Smite
Virtue of Patience is just for HH
junior wren
since you can take the smite node for example would that still reduce your globa...
no it wouldn't. You can cast Smite at full speed, and it procs healing hands at full speed
tacit zealot
so yeah only manually casting
junior wren
only if you directly cast healing hands, it's slower
tacit zealot
does it affect the channel to be less ticks?
sick lintel
question, is maw > both the suggested swords
tacit zealot
so just any itteration of singular casts?
waxen nymph
Well, you will start the channel 32% Slower
junior wren
question, is maw > both the suggested swords
yes
tacit zealot
question, is maw > both the suggested swords
both suggested? it was merophage for a stepping stone to upgrade what you have now and maw is for the final build it suggests in the guide
i didnt see another one suggested
sick lintel
cool ty both
junior wren
the other suggested sword was the hollow blade
sick lintel
dreamthorn
tacit zealot
oh so not doing the dreamthorn
sick lintel
tacit zealot
crude matrixBOT
tacit zealot
this was the guide they was looking to follow
junior wren
it had more flat and void pen, but maw beats that with its huge +100 flat melee/+90-120 flat void
sick lintel
yeah it was dreamthorn, merophage or maw
tacit zealot
ahh
junior wren
oh okay. we were discussing hollow blade prior to finding that leveling guide
sick lintel
yeah i was told uniques might be better for levlling
waxen nymph
yeah it was dreamthorn, merophage or maw
Unless you get a good nemesis on Dreamthorn, Merophage will be better quickly
junior wren
people often play Circle of Fortune, so it's not so easy to find the uniques
but Bazaar player only needs to click a few buttons 😄
sick lintel
Unless you get a good nemesis on Dreamthorn, Merophage will be better quickly
but maw will beat that yh?
so i might aswell just buy a maw
waxen nymph
Yeah ,
tacit zealot
people often play Circle of Fortune, so it's not so easy to find the uniques
i get your point but i dont think ive ever had a unique i struggled to farm for on cof only with 4lp XD
sick lintel
as a start should i just get a 0LP or should i find a cheap LP one
tacit zealot
depends on the stats and if you have anything good to put into it
junior wren
i get your point but i dont think ive ever had a unique i struggled to farm for ...
to be more specific, how many times have you equipped a unique item at exactly it's required level?
For example Maw has required lvl 65, so I do this thing where I hit lvl 65, go to stash and equip the unique.
that's the power of bazaar
tacit zealot
to be more specific, how many times have you equipped a unique item at exactly i...
i usually use runes for things like that or as im pushing corruption i use prophecies. i cant answer a definitive number but honestly cant remember a single time were levels was an issue (unless started a brand new char)
junior wren
or only in game
only in the game
tacit zealot
providing i also have the required area to farm it
sick lintel
damn ok
tacit zealot
might just be my play style and i did say i get you. everyones experience is different so i may have just had luck on my side or no build with super high requirement or a boss drop specific
besides peak of the mountain but i also got a 4lp from a bugged run
junior wren
i usually use runes for things like that or as im pushing corruption i use proph...
yeah, that's the thing, when I'm on my second character, it's no longer an issue, I already have prophecies and stash of farmed gear. But when I'm on the first one, CoF I had to get a lucky drop. In MG, I just teleport to town and buy a huge upgrade
tacit zealot
im turned off my MG because i cant fathom how yall are getting even a few hundred thousand to buy things somewhat early into a brand new char/stash
especially when some things might not be on the market at that point (if you're a day 1 blaster)
i started 1.0 with 80 hours i came out of it with just shy of 500 but only had around 16m in cof, i did 1-2 of that vault dungeon and got most of my stash tabs before the cost change
junior wren
to be perfectly clear, I don't buy things that cost few hundred thousand 😄
tacit zealot
i dunno the prices since i saw people posting things for billions
ignored MG ever since
tacit zealot
then use that to farm your own?
junior wren
maybe when I'm getting close to 300c, then I start actually spending gold on gear upgrades
but my point was about the leveling phase, where I teleport to town and grab an instant upgrade for 0 gold in the form of a unique item.
I would eventually get it with CoF too, but I'd have to spend way more time until I get one.
tacit zealot
just spam rune prophecies when you get out of the campaign (usually at the end of heobora when i have all idols and passives)
junior wren
I know. I played CoF too
tacit zealot
i go observatory (with someones gracious tp) buy a bunch of rune prophecies to get some ROA then i spam gear and tend to get what i need
junior wren
You buy a rune prophecy, go farm the prophecy, get RoA and roll for uniques, yes.
I buy the final item at step 1.
tacit zealot
i expect i have hit walls but nothing memorable
i normally go trade in every other game because its easier
i just find COF the right amount of grind/reward
especially when you can use the lenses to increase drop amounts
although the pack of loot lizards is still the best lootsplosion XD
tacit zealot
only had it once where i was able to kill them all in one area the rest have scarpered before i could get them all
oh i know that all too well hahaha i have like 2-3 tabs for each item type (helm, 1h, 2h offhand, relic, catalyst etc etc)
i got too carried away thinking it would all be useful
ive used like 1% of them hahahah
junior wren
yeah, same
But I'm glad I did, my sorc build got nerfed, and thanks to random exalted stuff I was able to transition it into a meteor sorc
tacit zealot
oo a shiny exalted +3 to devouring orb......never done VK outside of trying smite/hh lol
yeah its really really great for any alts i wanna try in legacy but i rarely play legacy......hell ive not really played 1.1 much havent even bothered trying harbringers because the div bolts pally didnt feel the same
how do the new shorter dungeons feel now?
i despise dungeons because they was just a time sink
junior wren
I didn't even notice them being shorter
but I also haven't been playing lately due to irl
tacit zealot
i thought they removed some portion of the size and opened up more lanes so there wasnt as much blocking paths
junior wren
guess we'll have to ask some dungeon runner 🏃♂️
tacit zealot
they all feel the exact same with a reskin
ive done julra a lot and soulfire because i needed those but was the worst grind ever especially for soulfire trying to get a 3lp belt
or better
thats been the most frustating because cof didnt do anything for improving dungeon boss drops
this was before the change to the COF path
i so regret deleting my main char though XD
i doubt i could have continued at 1k+ corruption though haha
tacit zealot
ive never been a legacy person even d3 days i would only do seasons
i dont have the toon to need to do that no more ahhahaha
junior wren
sick lintel
the only issue i have atm
is whoever added the lizards didnt factor in my adhd
ill be running through like yup imma smash this out then suddenly LIZARD MUST CHASED THE LIZARD
tacit zealot
then ig everyone must have ADHD then hahaha
waxen nymph
I need to hurry a try my Fire Rive build before the change to Sentinel
junior wren
sick lintel
to play an arpg i feel like you have to have a sprinkling 
tacit zealot
which one specifically? i thought rive was only getting a void node
tacit zealot
to play an arpg i feel like you have to have a sprinkling <:lizard_Iggy:1290432...
"oo piece of candy" comes to mind lol
waxen nymph
which one specifically? i thought rive was only getting a void node
Well they are giving Rive a Void Conversion and Vengeance a Fire Conversion
So I assume this
Will disappear
junior wren
which means I should also probably test my Dex Javelin/Rive Physical Weapon Swapping Forge Guard idea
which was basically using Sierpin Javelin to clear monos and Dex Sword Rive with Forge Strike to clear bosses
waxen nymph
We could go Dex Rive with Morninfrost for extra Flat too
sick lintel
is woven flesh a good end game item?
junior wren
I would say no
sick lintel
is it better then my current?
waxen nymph
If you are using a 2h you probably want a Titan Heart
sick lintel
yeah im aiming for
titans Heart
Shattered chains
code of erased sentinal
darkstride
Maw
waxen nymph
which was basically using Sierpin Javelin to clear monos and Dex Sword Rive with...
Is it not going to be weird trying to scale both Melee and Throwing Dmg ?
junior wren
Is it not going to be weird trying to scale both Melee and Throwing Dmg ?
I went for DEX + STR build, since both stats scale javelin, but yes, rive is basically weaker than a full melee build version
but now that you suggested morningfrost, i wonder if javelin could have decent dps on bosses
waxen nymph
That last line just gave me an emotional roller coaster
Imagine if MorningFrost gave 1.5 Flat per Dex
junior wren
would be nice
and now that we have cold flat damage from boots... it has to be a sword to get the flat bonus per dex from Weapon Specialist. How about Alluvion?
I could also grab Foe Cleaver, and Alluvion has 90 adaptive + up to 62 cold melee + up to 62 lightning melee
If I get T7 physical melee affix on it, that's a theoretical (90+62+62+119)*2=666 base damage + let's say 100 dex, that's 100 cold from boots, and 100 physical from Weapon Specialist
sick lintel
what do guides mean when it says hunt for t20 gear?
junior wren
that's an item with 4 affixes that are all at Tier 5
sick lintel
is that the best you can get?
junior wren
4 affixes * tier 5 = t20
no, exalted items go to tier 7, so you can have T22, or even higher
sick lintel
ah okay
junior wren
t20 basically refers to best yellow items
sick lintel
exalted are purple gear yh?
sick lintel
so whats the deal with legendaries then?
like can i choose what stats it gains when it becomes legendary
junior wren
legendaries are unique + exalted item smashed together
waxen nymph
like can i choose what stats it gains when it becomes legendary
No , rng
junior wren
you cannot choose, it's randomly selected, and you need to do a dungeon where you can combine the items
sick lintel
or is it per LP?
junior wren
it's per LP. 1LP means it will choose 1 affix from the exalted item you provide at random
sick lintel
so you basically want 4 lp uniques in order to minimise rng
sick lintel
sounds easy enough just grinding
junior wren
you will never find 4LP for most uniques 😄
sick lintel
i was hoping you wernt gonna say that
waxen nymph
You can read the odds here in a way you can understand
LETools has them as a %age and its a bit hard to apprehend imo
sick lintel
so if i farmed 2.5 million of these i would maybe get 1 with 4lp
waxen nymph
Yes Sir !
waxen nymph
Thats why usually you will plan for 1lp and hope for 2 for this one (if you play alot plan for 2 and hope for 3)
sick lintel
once legendary can you choose not to make it and keep it unique if you dont get the stat?
waxen nymph
Nope once you press seal the cache its over ^^
sick lintel
so to get the Legendary i want im gonna need multiple LP maws with multiple t7 exalted items to try it over and over
junior wren
going back to t20, this item is technically a T20 item aswell, but it's also an exalted item and probably a bit more valuable than a rare T20
waxen nymph
so to get the Legendary i want im gonna need multiple LP maws with multiple t7 e...
Yes
sick lintel
thats intence
waxen nymph
so if i farmed 2.5 million of these i would maybe get 1 with 4lp <:omegalul:5707...
This is one of the hardest unique to get lp from iirc
sick lintel
jheeze okay
waxen nymph
Lp on uniques is strong but to balance it, its rare
So sometime a good Exalted is better because you can actually do it
sick lintel
can you take 3/4 affixes off an exhaulted to guarentee it? or is that not worth
waxen nymph
It has to have 4 Unsealed Affix to be able to slam it
junior wren
no getting rid of RNGesus
waxen nymph
Also the Sealed affix cannot be transfered
sick lintel
so to sum this up, i need to get lucky with an LP on a unique, then i need to get lucky withthe exalted being the stat i want, then i need to get lucky again when slamming it to get it to transfer the right affixes, am i missing anything?
waxen nymph
Nope
You can get the unique without lp and put it into a nemesis
And pray to get lp or the affixes you want
sick lintel
so i can put stuff into the nemesis?
waxen nymph
At some point you will see an Egg in the nemesis choices
You can
- leave it and you will get a Random (non boss exclusive) Unique
- swap it for a Non lp Unique
turbid dome
At some point you will see an Egg in the nemesis choices
don't forget about the revenge weapons
sick lintel
don't forget about the revenge weapons
revenge weapons?
waxen nymph
Some special bases you can only find from Nemesis
sick lintel
are these level based or nemesis kill based?
waxen nymph
turbid dome
are these level based or nemesis kill based?
I’d assume they have a minimum level but their always rare af
Basically they all come with a sorta weird implicit effect
Ie: the scepter comes with basically no flat spell damage but does come with up to 9 flat spell crit chance
turbid dome
Does that evade cdr transfer to like summon crab
waxen nymph
Does that evade cdr transfer to like summon crab
Most likely
junior wren
well, the dex javelin turns out to be incredibly stupid. You have three affixes on rings you want, throwing damage, throwing speed and dexterity
waxen nymph
Dont forget some Crit Chance maybe
junior wren
crude matrixBOT
junior wren
and the sword for switch is currently this
thanks to STR and DEX, javelin has somewhere close to 700% increased dmg
and thanks to t7 %increased melee affix, rive would be around 900% increased dmg
waxen nymph
I would get rid of Holy Spears (or go 1/5) and grab Mighty Delivery
More Dmg and Speed
junior wren
yeah that's probably better
waxen nymph
It still bothers me to try to deal Melee and Throwing Dmg
junior wren
it was an attempt to use the dex scaling in Rive 😄
turbid dome
waxen nymph
Not saying its bad, but it just rubs me in the wrong way
turbid dome
I still think the best use case for dex stacking rive is to be ok with lower damage, but become way tankier with a decent evasion rating
junior wren
but yeah it's very stupid otherwise. If I want to use the current weapon specialist, I'd say going for Fire from Attunement with Bhuldar's would be much better. You would use untalented Lunge to proc fire Earthquake 😄
junior wren
that has STR and ATN scaling (just like forge strike, wink wink), and is a melee attack, so I could go full send STR and it'll be much better 😄
waxen nymph
but yeah it's very stupid otherwise. If I want to use the current weapon special...
My plan is to DW Palarus and a Mace
waxen nymph
Stack Att to get Flat Fire per 1 Att and Flat Melee per 2 Att
junior wren
I still think the best use case for dex stacking rive is to be ok with lower dam...
yeah that's part of it. And before Vlad suggested Mourningfrost, I was thinking of using Foot of the Mountain to convert dodge into endurance, because javelin gets up to +150% physical and lightning pen, but you need to stand still for it
junior wren
My plan is to DW Palarus and a Mace
yeah, DW would be my next option
waxen nymph
My only problem is the lack of Defensive scaling from Att
junior wren
iron attunement?
turbid dome
forge guard gets the dot defense from attunement
junior wren
i was still thinking of my dex build 
turbid dome
also you could wear Seed of Ekkidrasil and pretend the mana from attunement is helping you a lot there
waxen nymph
True but thats pretty thin dont you think ?
turbid dome
attunement itself is mid, yes
waxen nymph
also you could wear Seed of Ekkidrasil and pretend the mana from attunement is h...
I genuinelly spit my water laughing from this
turbid dome
I genuinelly spit my water laughing from this
letsss goooo
turbid dome
each vitality giving +8 hp, 1% necrotic res, 1% poison res, 0.33% more melee void dmg, +1 melee void dmg is a little bit good
junior wren
and void rive is getting a buff right
junior wren
yep
turbid dome
the biggest thing on this imo is bleed to time rot
junior wren
void conversion for sure
turbid dome
it does kill rive bleed vk but it will make keeping up 12 time rot stacks for erasing strike way easier
junior wren
current VK rive is half physical half void right?
junior wren
it's probably more like 1/4 physical and 3/4 void
flat void from vitality, and flat void as t7 affix on Maw
turbid dome
with a T7 melee void on a maw, you have 101 base phys dmg and 239 base void, but since its rive make that 478 base void and 202 base phys
add like 90 flat void from vitality
its between like a 1/6 and a 1/7th is phys
void conversion will def help earlier into the build tho
junior wren
202 physical and 568 void
turbid dome
wait something seems wrong
turbid dome
202 physical and 568 void
yup I did a mistake there
junior wren
it's extra 200 damage that wasn't getting all your void % bonuses
turbid dome
yeah
junior wren
meanwhile poor fire and physical versions will remain weak 😄
turbid dome
I wonder if foe reaver is going to stay in the game
turbid dome
it's extra 200 damage that wasn't getting all your void % bonuses
but was getting your %melee dmg boosts
this also kills the (imo) main use case of sorrow and steel + Woe
junior wren
why woe?
turbid dome
I'd rather go 4 in rot grip and 4 in singular purpose over 4 in woe and 4 in singular purpose
however I do use final hour on erasing strike like religiously
junior wren
for erasing or VC for sure, but if you go pure rive?
turbid dome
🤔 I guess thats part of it too, if I'm not doing phys rive (which phys vk rive is dead with the new node), I'm going to be doing rive mixed with erasing strike and void cleave
junior wren
but woe gives melee, not phys, so it's still useful to fully void converted rive? 😄
turbid dome
but woe gives melee, not phys, so it's still useful to fully void converted rive...
yes, but I'd rather the time rot because if rive is now pure void, I'm going to be using it with void cleave + erasing strike
moreso, +40% time rot chance there + bleed now being time rots = I can spend less points on void cleaves time rot node and have an easier time upkeeping 12 time rot stacks for es
woe as a node (imo) wants a lot of points in it, but eternal form + the echo package area eats up a lot of passive points already
junior wren
yeah it is point hungry for sure
turbid dome
more points are consumed if I want sigils of despair from pally
if woe was 8 points to max it, with the same numbers as it currently has when maxed out I'd probably use it a lot more
so like 8 points in it gives what it currently gives at 12 points
or give it a threshold effect of some kind
turbid dome
I wonder if vlad played a mana stacker recently
waxen nymph
Kinda
My VK Caster end up stacking a bit of Mana
Like 350-400
To use Devotion properly
waxen nymph
I should probably finish it at some pt
Morning Frost + Shattered Lance Cold Rive
Paladin for the extra Hp Regen
Smite also gives Regen
I wonder if I should go 3rd Strike Rive or just 1.2.1.2
junior wren
I'm assuming the effect from Sierpin won't work if I take the Siege Barrage node
waxen nymph
I'm assuming the effect from Sierpin won't work if I take the Siege Barrage node
Correct
waxen nymph
3rd strike only crit and use a peak
With this ?
turbid dome
With this ?
yeah
waxen nymph
Maybe not, I would rather be able to crit all the time
And Heal myself rather than Leech
turbid dome
spend less on capping crit + you can still use leech with peak
turbid dome
And Heal myself rather than Leech
more healing
waxen nymph
Since Paladin, Att > Inc Healing Effect HH
Will see
Just hit lvl 30 but I have to pick the kid at school now
turbid dome
I've probably said this before but I hate timezones
waxen nymph
Also France use the 24h format
turbid dome
they mess up everything with programming
turbid dome
Also France use the 24h format
ye
waxen nymph
Screw pm
turbid dome
I use both, only to annoy people
waxen nymph
I need to build a 24h clock
turbid dome
so I'll use 5pm with you and 17 o clock to others
maybe I'll go code a 168 hour clock
junior wren
I tried switching from dex rings to flat throwing damage.
Javelin: (206 gear + 2 fresh from the forge + 81 mourningfrost + 8 void + (80+84+119+48)/2 weapon + 30 lightning with javelin) x 1.8 damage effectiveness + 36 base = 922,5 base damage
Rive: (90 + 62 + 62 + 48) x 2 alluvion + 2 fresh from the forge + 69 mourningfrost + 8 void = 603 base damage
you know what, I completely forgot about melee attack speed
turbid dome
thats a lot of flat damage
junior wren
so that rive/javelin wouldn't actually work very well
turbid dome
true
junior wren
but the damage is now a mix of physical, cold and lightning
550 phys, 145 cold, 54 lightning
turbid dome
ow
junior wren
the cold part doesn't really fit. lightning is fine, there's up to 150% physical and lightning pen, but no cold pen
Bane of Winter has elemental pen and even more flat damage for javelin. It also has cold dmg taken conversion to physical, so I could ignore my negative cold resistance
turbid dome
Bane of Winter has elemental pen and even more flat damage for javelin. It also ...
Is bane of winter the harby spear
alpine canopy
Is bane of winter the harby spear
Yes
It's a solid combo with mourningfrost for sure, I did that as a spellblade in the original 1.1 cycle. I'll probably do it on FG later.
sick lintel
okay so cheapest maw i can buy is 200k and 1k favour
or i can get a merophage for 1k favour 0 gold
or a dreamthorn for 860 favour 0 gold
turbid dome
or a dreamthorn for 860 favour 0 gold
Dreamthorn with a melee void dmg slam will carry you till you get a maw to drop
Merrorphage puts a tax on your mental to not shatter a sword, but is solid