🔱┃sentinel

[tardy mirage]

block chance and effectiveness is halved owo

[turbid dome]

plz no half block chance

[tardy mirage]

ok movement speed halved then

you are encumbered owo

[turbid dome]

half block effectiveness cause its duct taped to your hands and can't wear gloves

actually alternative bases to camp regalia and leo helmet that have implicit block chance would be cool

[tardy mirage]

lol

[full oasis]

looks intresting

[junior wren]

apparently the node is bugged, so you can build dodge 👍

[real parcel]

Hello everyone, I really like the warpath skill and hardcore mode, but I'm dying on it in hardcore, do you have any tips pls?

[junior wren]

this might sound silly, but you should stop dying

[real parcel]

Is there someone who plays hc on this skill, are the simple guides of this skill different from hc?

[junior wren]

as for general tips, always respect the trio of survivability: damage reduction, sustain and max health

[real parcel]

"damage reduction" is this some kind of separate parameter that may drop on the items?

[junior wren]

it refers to your build's ability to reduce incoming damage, it isn't a specific affix

that being said

there are specific affixes that do reduce incoming damage

this should be a decent list https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=less damage taken&in_description=1&exact_match=0

[turbid dome]

dang

[full oasis]

@alpine canopy the build is fun and pretty strong

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVG8anOQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (27) / Void Knight (81) / Forge Guard (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,863, Regen: 37/s
▸ Mana: 207.79, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 6 Dex / 8 Int / 6 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 184% / 124% / 152% / 91% / 83% / 68%
▸ EHP: 6,513 / 6,513 / 6,513 / 8,861 / 6,513 / 6,513 / 6,087

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 699
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,661)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (23)
• Abyssal Echoes (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Smite (20)
• Warpath (20)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Darkstride
• Siphon of Anguish
• Font of the Erased

[alpine canopy]

Glad to hear! 😁

[waxen nymph]

YO!!

[quiet hearth]

not a max roll, clearly vendor trash

[copper walrus]

I'd rock it

[desert lodge]

my citadel boots

[south ledge]

I built a similar but different crit smite focussed version with aberroths command and it's also pretty strong.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWp5za0B

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 93

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (85)

General:

▸ Health: 2,797, Regen: 34.24/s
▸ Mana: 156.97, Regen: 17.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 60%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 15 Dex / 15 Int / 25 Att / 83 Vit
▸ Resistances: 124% / 75% / 117% / 111% / 130% / 161% / 132%
▸ EHP: 5,372 / 5,372 / 5,372 / 6,451 / 5,588 / 5,588 / 5,372

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 112%, Threshold: 600
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,144)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Smite (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Volatile Reversal (22)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Aberroth's Command
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Foot of the Mountain
• Flames of Midnight
• Anchor of Oblivion

[south ledge]

In that state easily clears 350 Corr + bosses

And I have become a flames of midnight enjoyer. Swiftness, spirit step and penetration makes this one really good imo.

[turbid dome]

flames of midnight is a great ring

[waxen nymph]

Might try it on my Void Caster
Boss drop?

[turbid dome]

harby of ash (spirits of fire) and abberoth

I used it with a friend who was playing acolyte and it was fun just having an on demand teleport skill

[south ledge]

Yeah you can even teleport through some.walls and obstacles

[waxen nymph]

Do we know what happen if you have Flame and Crab Ring?

[turbid dome]

I'd wager you get one of them

[alpine canopy]

I think they said crab is highest priority

Haven't tried it myself though

[waxen nymph]

If I am lucky and get one tonight, Ill try

[warped night]

the most cancerous harb lol

[turbid dome]

eh I think the lagon one is more annoying

at least harby of ash is nice enough to fight us in a circle instead of a line

[warped night]

at this point I default turn off all of the skinny harbs

just doesn't feel like a fair fight whatsoever

[turbid dome]

the skinny harbies feel so much better on a ranged character

then again like everything feels better on a ranged character

[warped night]

they feel okay but the hardly telegraphed charge that does a ton of damage and has basically guaranteed stun makes that fight super frustrating

[tardy mirage]

shhhhhh

[turbid dome]

real

[alpine canopy]

It's Treason, then

[waxen nymph]

Well crafting went wrong Shattered

[turbid dome]

Wait dang those are plates gauntlets

[waxen nymph]

Need that base to be Endu Cap

Without the Blessing

Didnt know the Echo of a World Vendor could give Exalteds !

[waxen nymph]

Crab takes over

[turbid dome]

neither did I

[alpine canopy]

I believe that is caused by the CF rank 11 bonus

[alpine canopy]

Science!

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-tryhard-gif-21406103

Me fighing Spirit of Fire Shamans and Harbi

[turbid dome]

bad vlad, don't murder shamans their just doing their shaman stuff

[waxen nymph]

I need that Flat Armor Blessing

I can face tank most of the fight at 275C

Pretty proud

[tardy mirage]

yep

[waxen nymph]

1/2

[turbid dome]

yay shock chance

[waxen nymph]

Its an ailment !

And its Stun Chance too ^^

[waxen nymph]

Thats a very sad me going to bed tonight
That 1/2 Slam was the only remotely successful Slam tonight, out of 8

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-sad-cry-smile-im-fine-gif-14251203

[turbid dome]

such is life at the end of time

[cobalt blade]

Da pain

[autumn knot]

So after some playing on Echo Warpath VK... man the build is surprisingly slow and low in damage and low in survivability. Bleed Hammerdin's easier to gear and outperforms it by every single margin

[autumn knot]

you'd think with a 2LP Apathy's Maw, a pretty well rolled Nihilis, a Null Portent, 2LP carcinization, 2LP siphon of anguish, darkstride... build would be op

damage is less than that of a fully rare bleed hammerdin lol

[cobalt blade]

Nihilis and Null Portent.. i dont have those yet

[quiet hearth]

crab should always be your highest priority

[quiet hearth]

If the crab had a cleave ability it would honestly be pretty good, right now it's just decent single target

[paper kiln]

idk what my next build would be any tips for sentinel

[waxen nymph]

Have you played Rive VK?

[paper kiln]

no

[waxen nymph]

There you go 😇

[paper kiln]

thx

[autumn knot]

Rive VK does seem a lot more viable than Warpath from what I’ve seen

You’d think that thematically, warpath’s spin2win would just melt everything like butter but man oh man the damage is underwhelming

Rive clears faster and bosses extremely quickly too

[turbid dome]

rive 👍

[autumn knot]

Speaking of Rive, why are Ocearon and Quicksilver Coil BiS rings? Seems strange

also since the build uses peak of the mountain, is there any sustain?

bouta make a rive toon rn

[ember zephyr]

Hey all, fairly fresh Last Epoch player looking for some feedback on my Void Knight build! I am really enjoying this game but finding it hard to clear 150+ corruption, is there a way I can improve my build or is a big overhaul needed? (this is my first character/build) https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owzXxepB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (48) / Paladin (29)

General:

▸ Health: 1,200, Regen: 21.23/s
▸ Mana: 211.98, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 43 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 221% / 198% / 136% / 89% / 100% / 175% / 120%
▸ EHP: 1,792 / 1,792 / 1,792 / 2,075 / 1,792 / 1,792 / 1,792

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 240
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,738)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (24)
• Smite (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Humming Bee
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Soulfire
• Transient Rest

[chilly peak]

At least I can say Warpath works very well with Pally

[autumn knot]

Would it be like a dual wield build utilizing like a 3 or 4 LP Palarus and focusing on using warpath to do smite damage?

[chilly peak]

For example, that is the version I played

[turbid dome]

ocearon is just a super solid ring, great for defense + damage

[chilly peak]

But I heard doting is also viable and I guess could be an option too

[turbid dome]

chill = they hit you slower

less dmg taken = 👍

generic more dmg per shock = damage

[autumn knot]

That's fair. But since Rive does melee and flat void damage, why not like a siphon of anguish?

[turbid dome]

siphon's biggest benefit is doom chance, I'm assuming that your gonna have doom chance on something else

leech -> covered by being a void knight

leech rate -> not a huge amount

a little move speed is nice

doom chance = up to 16% more melee dmg

I'd personally use maw + chains for all my doom needs

[autumn knot]

I see

[turbid dome]

plus then if you slam a T7 melee void dmg onto maw, with rive you effectively have T28 melee void dmg

[autumn knot]

I'm just going off of my familiarity with the warpath vk build that does use siphon on top of maw + chains

[turbid dome]

fair

like siphon's aren't bad and its a lot easier getting a good legendary slam of them due to them being stupidly common

more more ring just provides a very nice combo of defenses and damage

[autumn knot]

yeah I have leftover maws, null portents, nihilis (and can likely farm more assuming I don't die) that I'm trying to make use of lol

siphons are stupidly common

have so many 2LPs of them

[turbid dome]

ye

find all your exalted axes with T7 melee void and start slamming them into maws

[autumn knot]

is anchor BiS too?

like why not code of erased sentinel for example

[turbid dome]

achor is really good IF you have no other endurance boosting %

code of erased is honestly just a giga strong relic

like a code of erased with ok-ish weavered stuff is goated

[autumn knot]

yeah hard part is getting the right weaver stuff lol

[turbid dome]

anchor does boost tf outa your armor if your build is low on strength

[autumn knot]

kinda crazy seeing how the rive build doesn't require + melee crit chance on the weapon

but I understand why

peak of the mountain + focused strike apparently is enough for 100% crit

[turbid dome]

oh yeah rive also lets you leech with peak

[autumn knot]

that's kinda neat

I assume due to focused strike, you leech off hits 1 and 2

but not 3?

[turbid dome]

cause it forces hits 1 + 2 to never crit -> you can leech that

[turbid dome]

yeah

[autumn knot]

seems pretty good

[turbid dome]

it is

also don't forget to stack up to like 90 vitality

[autumn knot]

I'm excited to make use of my gear again doing a build that isn't gruelingly slow

[turbid dome]

cause each vitality grants 8 max hp, 1% necrotic res, 1% poison res, 0.33% more melee void dmg, +1 flat melee void dmg

[autumn knot]

yeah love vitality stat

[turbid dome]

and if the build is using a void spell, +2 dmg to that

vitality addicts unite

[autumn knot]

esp since I play HC too

vitality is just so good lol

[turbid dome]

yee

its wild getting +200 flat void dmg on my spells for being a healthy lad

[autumn knot]

omg the foe cleaver node is insane too lol

[turbid dome]

yeah

thats how you get T28 flat melee void dmg

maw comes with basically a T7 -> slam a T7 on -> double them

for max foe cleaver value slam a T7 flat melee void dmg and a T7 increased void dmg

[autumn knot]

praying that my 2LP Maw hits T7 flat melee later lol

[turbid dome]

I think foe cleaver also makes maw have 200% doom chance on hit?

I forget if it affects all aliments or just regular affix aliments

the only thing to watch out for is how fast your leech rate is

just uh 100% grab scrap metal

[autumn knot]

loving the build so much more already

[turbid dome]

yeah...

out of the 3 actually melee melee skills, rive is the~~ usable~~ one with the best feeling to it

oh yeah

also 80% echo chance with rive

so you can make big use of the void knight armor

[autumn knot]

that's nuts

though tbh I have every single unique ready to slot in when my character's of level, so it won't matter much

as a cycle starter, seems amazing tho

[turbid dome]

rive + void cleave + erasing strike is my go to cycle starter

it works on horrible gear

and can scale well or rebuild to something else later

[autumn knot]

I actually noticed bleed hammerdin working really well on horrible gear too

tankiness and damage from it is also kinda insane

chucking out hammers can be annoying at times bc the overall flow of the playstyle comes to a stop, but it clears well too

haven't tried void cleave or ES yet

but I've seen late game ES just straight melt everything

also every Rive build I see, they're attacking like 100 attacks a second. where does the attack speed come from?

[turbid dome]

the top right thing in base sentinel

80% echo chance (since every attack is really 1.8 attacks)

attack speed on gloves

[turbid dome]

rive is great to use to get to world splitter + infinite es spam

[autumn knot]

I do have a bunch of worldsplitters too lol

don't people dual wield using an aberroth's command though?

[turbid dome]

I think thats for a warpath build?

idk I'm not a huge fan of command

[autumn knot]

oh hm

[turbid dome]

thats a better question for draven imo

[autumn knot]

nvm think ur right

world splitter stats do seem great for ES

[turbid dome]

world splitter lets you get to 100% crit chance -> get void essence on crit with es -> use void well for mana -> infinitely smack thing with ES

[autumn knot]

bonking with ES does seem kinda fun haha. maybe ill try that next

[turbid dome]

This is the stupid thing world splitter + ES turns into ( its against the pinnacle boss)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9MXqbF7JXI

[autumn knot]

I've seen it melt abby in like 20 seconds lol

40* I guess ^ lol

kinda nice to have an abby farmer

[turbid dome]

bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk

[autumn knot]

what exactly bypasses ES's cooldown?

oh it's in the tree.. derp

[paper kiln]

man i need to try that build

[turbid dome]

just remember the mana consumed in the node before it does not count as a mana cost

so if you need more mana cost for crit chance with world splitter, grab the +mana cost node up in the crit corner of ES's tree

[turbid dome]

its very fun

[paper kiln]

i bet

i may need to do a beacon build

https://gyazo.com/206b38b6e4c9f42085d334e42436e224

[autumn knot]

that's a pretty nice slam item

[paper kiln]

yeah

[autumn knot]

might wanna RoC it just in case the slam fails

[paper kiln]

will to that for sure, now i need to find a beacon that is good

[autumn knot]

oh right don't people use beacon for ES too instead of world splitter?

[paper kiln]

yeah

i see i have one 2 LP but only with 1 to void skill

[autumn knot]

first time using void cleave and compared to lunge and shield rush, void cleave is sooooooooooooo satisfying 😮

[paper kiln]

it is for sure!

[turbid dome]

Don’t forget your darkstrides

For like +50 move speed

[autumn knot]

yeah ofc ^-^

I need one with slammed movespeed on it though. been really unlucky with finding my darkstrides

these are my generic twink boots :B

[turbid dome]

dang if only that was vitality instead of crit avoid

[autumn knot]

haha yeah

oh well. I'm lv 19 and switched to darkstride anyway

[turbid dome]

gotta go fast

[autumn knot]

might just go on my other character and farm for more gear lol

like getting a darkstride with 30% movespeed and a dreamthorn with T7 flat void

[turbid dome]

a dreamthorn with T7 flat void will carry you all the way through empowered monos

[autumn knot]

lol yeah

[turbid dome]

plus since your using a sword you can grab the fat CDR node for erasing strike

[tardy mirage]

new rive passive/passives ... rive 3rd attack triggers the same manifest armour effect as hitting it with shield throw ... and scrap buff is shared to manifest armour alongside you

[spare gale]

teaser from stream today

[turbid dome]

T E L E P O R T

[turbid dome]

so bassically void wizard money gang time

[waxen nymph]

Second Combo ??

[turbid dome]

they are cooking with the VR rework

[alpine canopy]

Hmmm interesting

[gusty abyss]

Another teaser

[alpine canopy]

Might be pretty neat if they let you do a combo to save a position and then recall to it

[worn garden]

HYPE I NEED TO WATCH ASAP

[turbid dome]

VOID

VOID CONVERSION

THE VOID CONVERSION IS REAAAAAALLL

[alpine canopy]

Oh that's just absolutely busted

[waxen nymph]

Holy poggers

[turbid dome]

Busted for everything but bleed rive vk

[waxen nymph]

That kinda kills Bleed Rive Vk

[turbid dome]

Rip 80% echo bleed rive

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, but also bleed is more fun on other skills anyway imo

[worn garden]

I was tweedling my thumbs at work missing insane next patch spoilers 😆 🤣

[waxen nymph]

Can we dream of a Fire Conversion?

[turbid dome]

Illegal

[alpine canopy]

It would be totally useless, but really cool if 3rd strike of a fire rive made a fire tornado lol

[turbid dome]

🤔

[alpine canopy]

I'd settle for proccing a legit fire spell though

Probably a holy one, since FG fire is usually attacks

[ember zephyr]

would this be the right channel to ask for build tips / feedback with Void knight? My first character is falling short on some endgame content

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[ember zephyr]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owzXxepB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (48) / Paladin (29)

General:

▸ Health: 1,200, Regen: 21.23/s
▸ Mana: 211.98, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 43 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 221% / 198% / 136% / 89% / 100% / 175% / 120%
▸ EHP: 1,792 / 1,792 / 1,792 / 2,075 / 1,792 / 1,792 / 1,792

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 240
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,738)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (24)
• Smite (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Humming Bee
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Soulfire
• Transient Rest

[ember zephyr]

I am playing Healing hands with Smite on melee proc. Seems like solid damage, but lacks any survivability

[turbid dome]

how much ward can it sustain?

[scenic gyro]

-get more armor ( forgeguard passive battle hardened is a good fix for now instead of relentless in sentinel ( 9points for 45% inc dmg is terrible))
-dont use health leech blessing with that helmet when your primary defense is generating ward/heal from healing hands
-generally look at your blessings, you are overcapping fire res for example by alot, you could have flat armor instead

[ember zephyr]

I currently don't have a good way to generate ward, hummingbee and 3/3 Synthesis of Light in Healing Hands.

[turbid dome]

get gauntlets with %missing health gained as ward

it makes healing hands give you just ward and no healing

[ember zephyr]

This is great, thank you! I am new at this game and this is my first character. So I appreciate the feed back

[turbid dome]

the other idea is buff your max hp a lot

the avg build should have like 2k max life at a minimum/entering monos, but count your avg ward in that amount

ideally have more like 3k to 4k

[scenic gyro]

play around with different ward generating items as engi suggested and if that doesnt feel good to you go the other route and invest in a hp build with endurance and leech
you are already stacking alot of healign effectiveness so healing hands shouldnt feel too bad when it comes to sustain

[ember zephyr]

Cheers guys, I appreciate that! Really enjoying this game, thanks!

[turbid dome]

oh also the non unique items that have %current health lose per second + %missing health gained as ward is an experimental affix, so murder the imprisoned mages till one drops

[scenic gyro]

and if you dont adjust your resistances on gear since you are overcapping so much you can get rid of the all res blessing as well and get crit avoidance
you want either 100% crit chance avoidance or high % of critical dmg reduction

[turbid dome]

yeah crit avoid is probs the play given your using peak

given you can't use leo hat + peak

[quiet hearth]

they're gonna burn it

[scenic gyro]

thank f*** for that, hope its completely undertuned and dead on arrival
disease of a skill

[alpine canopy]

I just hope VR is fun to play and no longer a must use debuff skill for all DOT builds and most other builds

[warped night]

I also hope that the inevitable damage loss across all sentinel builds is compensated for

though I really only ever use it on bosses

[scenic gyro]

i think sentinel will be pretty hot with 1.2 overall
we already got pretty strong builds without vr and those will benefit completely from the vr-vompensation buffs

if they dont start gutting everything else*

[hushed knoll]

for forgeguard passives, specifically the iron reflex node, does the conversion from dodge to armor negate my dodge chance? or is the added armor just a bonus?

[cobalt blade]

Lol i guess the assumption was right

[junior wren]

yes, it negates your dodge chance. "Convert" always means that X becomes Y, thefore you no longer have X.

but I read Iron Reflexes is currently bugged and the conversion doesn't happen.

[junior wren]

• Synthesis of Light is bugged, you get ward "per 100% healing eff" instead of "per 10% healing eff" like it says. I would remove points from it.
• Put 2 points into Cleric's Hammer. Whenever you attack, it procs a secondary Healing Hands attack which also heals you, and right now you only have 50% chance for it to happen, so we want it to happen 100% of the time.
• Remove 1 point from Divine Bolts, 2 points from Prayer of the Fallen, that gives you 4 unspent pts, put them into Urgent Healing. This will boost the amount of healing you get. (from 600-800 to 1500-2000)

• I second Engi's suggestion to find Gauntlets with x% Missing Health gained as Ward per second. But you don't need to farm Exiled Mages, use a Glyph of Insight to craft it into any gloves. This converts the healing numbers listed above into Ward (thanks to Divine Barrier passive in Healing Hands tree). Your HP will still be healed by Smite procs, and by Divine Bolts and Smite hits when they don't crit.
  Ideally look for gloves with high armor too, for example something like this:

Some good options for blessing changes

• the spell leech blessing could be replaced with crit chance blessing OR crit multi blessing OR health blessing
• fire resistance blessing could be replaced with fire shred blessing (more damage option) OR with flat armor blessing (more survivability)
• ward threshold blessing could be replaced with health regen blessing (makes use of your sigils regen bonus and replaces HP healing when you switch HH into ward generation)

Resistances usually are good enough at 75%, if you find a similar amulet with different base item, like x% melee attack speed, % increased critical chance or x% less damage over time taken, switch to it. You have high frailty chance on your Palarus, so this affix can also be replaced. Something like this:

Belt also provides extra resistances, and could be swapped for an armor option. I would swap the %CDR for HP. An experimental ward threshold affix can also be crafted on belts (but it's more annoying than for gloves). It's not mandatory, armor and health are the important bonuses:

One final note, Healing Hands gets % more damage for every level of specialized buff skills (= skills that have the Buff tag). The only buff skills Sentinel has are Holy Aura, Healing Hands, Sigils of Hope and Javelin (specced into Battle Standard).
So if you want 20% more damage to your primary attack, you would have to replace Anomaly with Javelin. Javelin will cast extra Smites for you, give you a little extra % increased damage, and you can Dash to it, giving you a second pseudo-movement skill.

You can also try to farm for Core of an Erased Sentinel (relic). The unique https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwFgjATAnFQ will help with Armor and survivability, but finding one that rolls the correct affixes won't be easy.
The reasoning is that your Soulfire relic only provides some chance to ignite and 60% increased fire damage after kill. More spell damage is kinda wasted, because your primary attack is melee.

okay I think that's enough for now 😄 all changes I mentioned applied to your planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYW4xz3Q

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (48) / Paladin (29)

General:

▸ Health: 1,715, Regen: 120.02/s
▸ Mana: 203.98, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 43 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 78% / 78% / 89% / 104% / 83% / 87%
▸ EHP: 3,177 / 3,177 / 3,177 / 4,369 / 3,177 / 3,177 / 3,177

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 343
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,667)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (25)
• Smite (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)
• Javelin (21)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Humming Bee
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Transient Rest

[junior wren]

forgot to add ward https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qn14ZZ8A

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (48) / Paladin (29)

General:

▸ Health: 1,715, Regen: 120.02/s
▸ Mana: 203.98, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 43 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 78% / 78% / 89% / 104% / 83% / 87%
▸ EHP: 9,951 / 9,951 / 9,951 / 13,686 / 9,951 / 9,951 / 9,951

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 343
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,667)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (25)
• Smite (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)
• Javelin (21)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Humming Bee
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Transient Rest

[ember zephyr]

Wow, good morning! Haha this is incredible! I was able to get a 20% fire shred blessing last night to replace the fire res. Working to replace the elemental res next, followed by the spell leech. Javelin gives some sweet bonuses I will check out, and some points changed in healing hands!
Question though, how are you able to get the experimental affixes applied to an item? I haven’t been able to find any purple quality experimental items that I can slam.

[scenic gyro]

glyph of insight

[junior wren]

it can be any gloves of any quality, you only need them to have at least one prefix, and then you upgrade that prefix using glyph of insight

this handy tool will tell you which one you get https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/insight so you can upgrade affixes until it says you get the correct one

I'm leveling my forgeguard rn and I just got disconnected twice when entering welryn outskirts. I also saw the character screen of moxjet2002

[ember zephyr]

This community is extremely helpful, thank you guys!!!

[turbid dome]

I need to re-read up on glyph of insights

I'm too used to beating up every exiled mage I see half the time I end up not needing to use a glyph

[junior wren]

I also beat them up 😄 but I think not once have I got gloves with 3 good affixes from the mages

[turbid dome]

real

simply spec into exiled mages on your timelines passive tree

[turbid dome]

actually continuing that joke thought, it would be interesting to change some of the blessings now that we can respec blessings to stuff like

• Exiled Mages drop 50%->100% more experimental items (50% is a chance for a second, 100% guarantees 2)

• Exiled mages are 30%-60% more common

• Nemisus gains has a 50% -> 100% chance to have an additional item slot (5 items total)

• Harbringers gain 30%-60% more health and damage, but also drop 30%-60% more items

• Idol reward echos drop 50%-100% more idols

Basically instead of having the help you farm stuff blessings be kinda generic, get more of x, instead have them target the mechanics already in the game and more blessings can be added whenever new mechanics are implemented to the endgame

[junior wren]

yeah, instead of silly shard blessings, having blessings for nemesis and exiled mage prisons would be nice

neat

i have 0 points in paladin tree, ring still works 😄

[turbid dome]

ye

it should work in the same way as the meteor on crit belt works even if your not a sorc

[junior wren]

does x% Missing Health gained as Ward per second work on forged weapons? 🤔 if not, I could add ward to the build

[turbid dome]

I'd assume that counts as an affix they can't take? you could see if animated armor copies exsangious's effect

but also wouldn't the forged weapons have horrible ward retention

[junior wren]

it's for the PC, not for the minions 😄

healing hands ward gen

[turbid dome]

ah

I dont think the minions get ward from that or loose hp

[waxen nymph]

Doesn't work

[earnest wharf]

Guys im playing as paladin. Warpath smite build. Build using volatile reversal. But i dont get the point of it. İt doesnt restore my healt. It is not a movemnt speed it doesnt give me immunity. Only doing debuff enemys but it doesnt make sesne because cooldown is 13 sec. Why do i need this skill ?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNLn2Y5Q

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (26) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (10) / Paladin (72)

General:

▸ Health: 1,743, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 220.11, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 139 Str / 21 Dex / 13 Int / 11 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 124% / 92% / 92% / 62% / 68% / 54% / 28%
▸ EHP: 6,785 / 6,785 / 6,785 / 11,093 / 6,341 / 5,607 / 4,616

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 69%, Threshold: 537
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (84)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 74% (7,886)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Smite (24)
• Warpath (24)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Wrongwarp
• Wings of Argentus
• Blood of the Exile
• Vortex Pennant
• Logi's Hunger
• Flames of Midnight
• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal

This build has a guide:

Spin And Smite - Holy Fire Paladin Version 2.0 - Smite/Warpath/Holy Aura - LE Build Guide. by Fbel

[earnest wharf]

This is the buid im using

Also whats with wrongwarp what does it do in this build ?

[waxen nymph]

This cd will be way shorter than 13 sec once you get lvlinto it

Also the Debuff is 60% More Dmg so if you deal 100 Dmg, once you press VR you deal 160Dmg
Also it can stack if you have enough cdr

[junior wren]

it does restore health, but if you spec it into not restoring health, then it wont 😄

also the movement speed buff is for 2 seconds

[tardy mirage]

freeing an exiled mage spawns more than 1 mage owo

[turbid dome]

call it cell mates and send it to production

[tardy mirage]

xD

[junior wren]

Well, this minion build was very smooth sailing. Zero deaths and as long as I didn't forget to use VC on the swords, the dps was awesome

T7 sealed Erasing Strike affix 😄

[tardy mirage]

tempted to play it oof ... havnt used manifest armour much

[junior wren]

manifest armor was there just to fill up an empty skill slot basically

[tardy mirage]

HH owo

[junior wren]

this is the setup, HH replaced Warpath

[tardy mirage]

oh lol

volatile reversal then

[turbid dome]

[desert lodge]

was using Lunge as my traversal skill, then realized Healing Hands could be a traversal skill, heal me on attack and deal additional damage. geez what an uprade

[turbid dome]

ye

and you don't need a hat to ground target HH

[desert lodge]

lunge could use some buffs because wow what a pointless skill compared to HH

[tardy mirage]

shield charge tree needs an overhaul

if your using it as a movement skill there is litterally no value in ever using its tree

the utility there is sooooo bad

[alpine canopy]

I use unspecced lunge pretty often, it's good

and specced works well in some builds

[warped night]

they're both really great traversal skills unspecced though which is nice. especially when you're specced into a skill that doesn't need to be on your bar

[turbid dome]

its nice, but a I find it lacking a lot of the time

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, all sentinel traversals have a downside (we'll see if that remains true after the VR changes lol)

I think it's a good design considering sentinel has a lot of traversal options (compared to, say, rogue where shift just needs to be great because you don't have a choice as MM or BD)

[desert lodge]

how do you even use a skill that's not on your bar

[alpine canopy]

proc it with another skill

[turbid dome]

true

[turbid dome]

my guess is VR is gonna have a hella long cooldown if you turn it into a teleport

[alpine canopy]

Usually when you convert things to traversals, they make sure you can have a reasonable cooldown on them

[turbid dome]

I mean VR will have a base cooldown + in the image

tho I'd wager the no healing/no mana from it big CDR nodes will stay?

[alpine canopy]

We don't know what all else is changing in VR

[turbid dome]

ye

[alpine canopy]

but at least if they are consistent, it'll be reasonable or the active cooldown reduction thing will make it reasonable

[turbid dome]

yeah

[alpine canopy]

like, here's some examples of other utility skill conversions to traversals where the cooldown was too long for them to be reasonable traversal skills:

but counting on them being consistent isn't always a safe bet 😂

[tardy mirage]

i mean ye thats a really good thing ... but it would be better if there was a good tree to go along with it too owo

[tough belfry]

i have a question guys but not sure where to ask it 😦

is about this place, the game crashes when i press the wall

[alpine canopy]

It's a bug, use the in game bug report tool

there's nothing to do in that room for now, aside from the chests

[turbid dome]

also lore I guess

[tough belfry]

Oh ok. Got it. Thanks a lot guys

[turbid dome]

have fun!

tho since your playing a mage, ask any build/skill related questions in the mage chat https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/480944508478160906

[autumn knot]

Man I’m having a blast with Rive so far. Build reminds me a lot of Boneshatter from PoE.

I’m lv 73 now with a T6 flat void slammed Apathy’s Maw and it slaps. Also think I’m gonna opt for an aurora’s as the BiS amulet considering I’m in HC.

[turbid dome]

aurora's + time flux = just try to kill me

[autumn knot]

Haha true

Void cleave is also insanely satisfying of a skill

Very fast cast timing, traversal length is good, can “blink” over walls and corners, 3 charges, low cd, and does a good amount of aoe damage too. Pretty much doubles as a map clearing tool too

[finite sage]

Are the gloves that buff Judgement unarmed a good item?

[turbid dome]

it can be good, weirdly enough the CDR on it doesnt need you to be unarmed

if you super attunement stack you will have hella flat damage for judgement

[finite sage]

I'll probably try out a build around it

[turbid dome]

I believe you can do unarmed + shield with it

so eat up those flat spell dmg with a shield paladin nodes

[autumn knot]

thoughts on the "stun chance" blessing option? I feel like I'd rather take lightning resist always

also I know rive isn't fully converted to void damage (yet), but how good is it to take "shred phys on hit"? And similarly "shred void on hit" vs "crit multi" blessings?

[turbid dome]

crit multi is more dmg so thats always good

for vk rive, phys is only the implict/generic dmg on your weapon

shred void on hit should be better give you have a maw with a T7 and T6 flat melee void dmg affixes (that are being doubled with rive)

if you dont have any void shred, take the void shred blessing

[autumn knot]

yeah the difference in crit multi blessing makes up not too much in terms of tooltip dps

where else would I be getting void shred?

using this for now until I find a good enough T7 flat void to slam on my 2LP one

would you say this build does like 1/3rd phys damage 2/3rd void or what? I feel like the phys portion of the damage I'm doing is pretty small in comparison to void to the point where it's likely not even worth investing a blessing into

[turbid dome]

anomaly/time bubble

[turbid dome]

base dmg wise yeah but given your gonna have way more increased void dmg and more void dmg, it ends up being more like 1/4 or 1/5 phys and the rest void

also thats a stupidly nice maw roll wise

[autumn knot]

yeah it is a stupidly nice roll haha

[turbid dome]

like leech is over 1.56 seconds, lots of melee void and doom duration

[autumn knot]

too bad it only came with 1LP, so I slapped on an okay-ish slam base

[autumn knot]

Yeah figured as much.

[autumn knot]

True, I forget about this. I wonder then if it'd be better to get melee atk spd or void % as the next stat

like say I could do T7 flat melee void + T5 atk spd or T5 void %

bc im noticing I get okayish atk spd from various sources like the tree, affix on gloves, anomaly's time bubble, VR's warped time, aurora's

[turbid dome]

%void also gets doubled for rive

[autumn knot]

yeah that's what makes it kinda enticing

T5 void % doubled would be like 350% increased void whereas T5 atk spd gives like 90% atk spd

the thought of just slicing at the speed of light seems fun though 😂

[alpine canopy]

Attack speed doesn't get doubled, only damage stats and ailment stats

[turbid dome]

go for attack speed as a 3rd stat on the slam, since its not doubled

for a 2lp maw go for exalted melee attack speed on your gloves

[autumn knot]

ohhhhhhh that makes sense and also makes my decisions easier lol

[earnest wharf]

is there anyone else who plays warpath smite ?

[autumn knot]

I played regular echo warpath voidknight and it was horrible. I think warpath smite has a lot of viability to it though

[finite sage]

I got this sword that makes Smite cast extra times during warpath and has general buffs to smite

currently running fire warpath and smite and obliterating low level areas like a lawnmower

is it just an early game thing or does it scale well?

[warped night]

I think it's highly underrated tbh. I've found stun to be a super important defensive layer for my forge guard. helps me quite a bit in taking less damage from crowds of enemies and can potentially stunlock certain bosses if you manage to push your stun high enough

[autumn knot]

Hmm I see. I'll consider it. Do you invest more than just the blessing into stun chance?

[warped night]

somewhat, but not in a way that I'm doing anything unconventional

a bit extra from the passive tree, some intentional investment in my forge strike tree, and some bonus investment in my rive tree

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kidpid/character/Dingus

otherwise I focus on damage mostly, as you need a good combination of both damage on stun chance to be able to reliably stun

if you notice that your build is already stunning mobs a halfway decent amount then there's a good chance that investing a bit more into stun would go a pretty long way

[autumn knot]

yeah if I end up with lightning res built into my build, I'll prob swap over to stun chance

[warped night]

yeah, it's primarily a luxury. at the end of the day you're still going to get hit so res is more important

[chilly peak]

It's a nice endgame build

[autumn knot]

ya know, despite my rive tooltip dps reaching 150k at lv 80, it's surprisingly underwhelming of a build. damage is still less than bleed hammerdin and the survivability is god awful

[alpine canopy]

Rive needs a good bit of investment to reach bleed levels, bleed you can roll over stuff with almost no investment

[autumn knot]

clear is fast-ish, but it suffers being a melee character so the clear is always gonna be a bit meh

the crazy thing is bleed hammerdin also just clears faster than rive with void cleave lol

you'd think that maybe bleed builds specialize better at the ramping single target at the cost of fast clear

but nope. my experimentations with pretty good hand me down gear on other builds just sadly doesn't compare

[junior wren]

suffers from what exactly?

[autumn knot]

limited range = slower clear speed

and less aoe

[junior wren]

do bleed hammers have unlimited range?

[autumn knot]

ah right the literal rebuttal of limited vs unlimited

u got me

[junior wren]

ah right, the usual melee = bad without explanation what is actually bad about it

[autumn knot]

yeah I just made a blanket statement and didn't elaborate whatsoever

[junior wren]

no, you answered my first question, but then instead of answering my second question, you thought I'm going for the "gotcha"

[autumn knot]

ok you want a real answer?

[junior wren]

indeed

[autumn knot]

rive attacks in a cone, hence limited range

vortex of hammers = longer range and orbits circularly around the character

hence longer range

furthermore, those hammers are still active while the hammerdin build moves around the map so you're attacking on the go

whereas rive has to stop by enemies and manually click them down then move again

not to mention DoT = you tag enemies for a short window, move on, and they die behind you

instead of being a hit-based build like rive vk where you manually have to click until they die

also I had an almost max rolled apathy's maw with a T6 flat void slam on a lv 80 character and I'm comparing results in general map clearing + bossing dps

the dps window for rive vk is low for a multitude of reasons too. and melee in general will always suffer in the range aspect. that variable alone doesn't make all melee bad

and specifically I'm measuring them on hardcore SAF viability too, not softcore trade where you just go full dps and face tank stuff and push 1000 corruption bc you have giga juiced gear

like yeah I'm sure at its height, the build can prob aberroth in 40 seconds or something, but that's not the point of my argument

I'm just saying that after playing bleed hammerdin and successfully farming some goodies along the way, it's a little disappointing how much weaker some of the other sentinel builds feel

[junior wren]

So, the weakness has to do with the ability to clear while moving.
And the AoE size is smaller.
But it has nothing to do with melee. Because for example Fireball would have the same issues when compared to spinning hammers.

[junior wren]

afaik third strike strikes in a circle around the character

[autumn knot]

That is one of the reasons among many that together contribute to a slower and clunkier clear

I played Blastrain Marksman before where it’s ranged but also has to stop to manually shoot. And it’s hit-based too. But the damage, aoe, and range are all excellent which results in a strong clear

[fluid gulch]

question folks - i heard of a super tanky judgement build, but i searched and saw big one hit judgement builds as well. would love to hear from folks which is generally better for aberroth?

[junior wren]

most judgement builds are "tanky" thanks to the innate healing, but if you can actually take a hit from big boss abilities depends on your gear and the rest of your spec

[autumn knot]

It does, and the second strike can suck enemies in as well. Still feelsbad though. I was hoping that with pretty strong items, like Apathy’s Maw with T6 flat void, peak of the mountain, shattered chains, null portent, darkstride, anchor… that the build would just do more damage and feel like I’m blasting harder

[fluid gulch]

i need to find that vid again. someone shared it once where the person tanks most of aberroth's skills other than the big purple one that has huge dot on the ground

all good, i'll find it and spec into it to test i suppose!

[autumn knot]

Usually Aberroth only kills players with the slam move or his 2-parter cone blast in the final phase. Most of the rest of his moves are pretty tankable

[fluid gulch]

not for squishy casters that i've been playing up to date 🙂

[autumn knot]

That’s fair lol

[junior wren]

this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAjCVjchUV8

[fluid gulch]

oh yes thats the one!

[river raptor]

For a smite proccing build, should I go vk + rive or multistrike?

Or if I just want to go pure phys with sent, is there any good (non minion) build for that? Heard rive can work?

[junior wren]

thats the https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/consecrated-ground-stacking-paladin

[crude matrix]

Consecrated Ground Stacking Paladin Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class

Sentinel / Paladin

Used skills

• Judgement
• Vengeance
• Holy Aura
• Healing Hands
• Volatile Reversal

Used unique items

• Transcriber's Graver
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Wing Guards
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Soulfire
• Snowblind
• Throne of Ambition

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Arena / Melee / DoT

Created by TheBrewery · Aug 7, 2024, 12:15 AM

[fluid gulch]

yeah i remembered wrong. was more consecrated ground than judgement, which is just one of teh skills

[junior wren]

his armor could be better, but otherwise he is pretty tanky. His main shtick however is standing in the consecrated ground

that's where the healing comes from. If you walk out of the circle, you die

[fluid gulch]

yeah i remember reading that bit. basically if he's not fighting, he'll die very easily

and it seems like a slow mono clear too

but very safe

[junior wren]

so going back to our discussion. I had a look at VK hammerdin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyODid0kduQ
and VK rive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ59AobjAzA
and it seems it's neither slower nor clunkier than the hammerdin.

[river raptor]

Vk rive seems fun to use. If the axe would just drop 👀

[turbid dome]

If it’s an apathy’s maw you want, don’t worry. You’ll end up with 500 of them

[river raptor]

Can it drop when killing the shade to catch corr levels up with other timelines?

Killed 8 or 9 and nothing

Got world splitter way before maw 😂

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[alpine canopy]

I don't think it will drop from the Shade right next to the center. Or if it can, it would be exceptionally rare.

[alpine canopy]

For all Shade-only drops, you want to fight the farthest Shade you can reasonably get to.

[river raptor]

Thanks 🙂

Got a decent void damage weapon as it is atm, so trying out the rive stuff. Think I'm lacking some crit chance as rive doesn't always crit on third hit. But it's fun so far

[turbid dome]

if your going for the only crit on third hit rive, swap your helmet for a Peak of the mountain @river raptor

since your first two hits never crit you leech from those

[river raptor]

Gotcha, will lose my 100% crit avoidance though 😭

[turbid dome]

🤔 true leo hat is strong

wait crit avoid

[river raptor]

Crit resist? Reduced crit damage, forgot the different versions haha

[turbid dome]

ah

yeah if you use peak, combo-ing it with citadel boots + 2 affixes is the way to go imo (for crit defense)

[river raptor]

Gotcha! Will see if I can scrounge up some crit changes to get to 100%

[turbid dome]

if you haven't already, swap your rings for copper rings with a crit chance affix on them

but also for reduced bonus dmg from crits, basically any armor can get it on it, but if I remember the rolls correctly your gonna need a T6 to cap it with just 1 affix + boots

[waxen nymph]

From boots you need t7

[turbid dome]

ye

I was thinking armor in general

like a T7 body armor is like 90% reduced

[waxen nymph]

From Body Armor a T6 is fine

[turbid dome]

dang

I thought that the T6 capped at 50% for most armor and not 45%

thats a little dirty

[river raptor]

Rings cap my res 😭😭 or one does, other is the void ring 👀 will see what I can work with. Atm I can use an axe with 80ish void damage exalted and +9% melee crit

Instead of my 110 and 150 increased void baradiche

[autumn knot]

Don’t you lose out on Darkstride though?

If you get 1 crit avoid affix + blessing, you also reach 100% crit avoid

[turbid dome]

Yeah I made that suggestion as a relatively cheap/easy way to cap crit and keep crit defense capped

Given it’s a sentinel I assume 99% of people are using Leo hat + one reduced bonus crit dmg affix

Boots + 1 more affix would be an easier swap out imo

[autumn knot]

Yeah that’s usually the move. But for special cases like rive vk where you’re recommended to use peak of the mountain, the maxroll guide recommends 1 crit avoid affix + crit avoid blessing = 100% avoid

Requires a bit of blessing farming though. And I think it’s from reign of dragons too which means you can’t take the + all res

[turbid dome]

If it is from reign of dragons that why I never go that route

All res blessing ❤️

[autumn knot]

Rive uses so many legendaries that it feels a bit bad slotting in something like citadel boots or leonine over the BiS uniques

[turbid dome]

You slot in citadels until you can cap crit without peak

[autumn knot]

Though between the two, I feel like I’d rather go leonine and just not do the 3rd crit thing

[turbid dome]

The idea with 3rd crit is that you can cap your crit way more easily with peak but still leech stuff

[river raptor]

Not sure if it's worth going hard on the rive build. I like it a lot, but its clearing speed is like 1/3rd of my erasing strike/vc build 😦

[autumn knot]

True. Bc otherwise you’d prob need a % melee crit chance slam on weapon too

[turbid dome]

Flat melee crit imo but yeah

Which then means with a maw your only doubling one slammed on affix with rive

[autumn knot]

That’s how I felt running it recently. Had all the goodies the build needed. Clear speed and bossing felt subpar

[turbid dome]

Such is life of a walk up to them and melee attack build

And despite this

Rive is still way ahead of multi strike and vengeance

[river raptor]

Yeah, erasing strike just erased mobs and bossing with world splitter was real fun and fast

Was thinking of going for a new char/build though but can't decide on what... Full phys would be fun, but EQ primalist didn't feel great 😦

[turbid dome]

Full phys rive vk used to be a thing

[autumn knot]

How are the defenses on Erasing Strike’s build? Never really looked into the build before but its offensive performance seems like what I was expecting out of echo warpath and rive vk

[quiet hearth]

your defense is nothing being alive to hurt you

[river raptor]

And when they are one hit leeches you to max

[quiet hearth]

yeah, leech is a bit OP at the moment because number big

They are gonna have to put in some sort of limiting factor on it at some point

[turbid dome]

once again, leech is a vaguely balanced version of lifesteal that still ends up being extremely strong

[quiet hearth]

lmao, leech is not remotely balanced xD

[turbid dome]

yeah

[quiet hearth]

But it's like that just, mechanically, I dont think I've played a game that got it 100% ever. And honestly it's more of an issue about ES dealing millions of dmg at once that can be leeched

[turbid dome]

in a game where you deal millions of damage, combo-ed with a tiny life pool (compared to the damage) any healing based on the damage you do is going to be very hard to balance

I only find stuff like lifesteal/leech balanced in MOBAs (like leauge of legends)

[alpine canopy]

If they nerf leech, they will need to buff life in general

life's whole thing is that you sacrifice some EHP in favor of great and easy sustain compared to ward

[tardy mirage]

life would need massive buffs for that to be even decent

[turbid dome]

Correct

I believe life builds would be healthier (and much easier to balance) if the game didn’t have to be balanced around a life build healing to full every second

Because leech is how a game ends up in poe1’s situation of the monsters, to be threatening, need to one shot (or effectively one shot) the player or else by the time the monster attacks again the player is at full hp again

[desert lodge]

as long as one shots are fairly telegraphed and mixed in with weaker attacks i don't see anything wrong with them

[gusty abyss]

Yep, thats me at 1k corruption. 2600 hp, not crit reduction capped, not resist capped. Good armor and leech. Either I get 1 shot by somehing avoidable, or it doesnt matter.

[desert lodge]

i'm running a lot of leech on my healing hands rive FG and yeah, if something doesn't kill me completely within .3 seconds i can't die

[turbid dome]

That’s basically my thought just in LE terms

Should a basic enemy be a threat to a well built character at a reasonable corruption level for their build? No

Should the only threat to them be one shots? Also no

There’s a middle ground in here somewhere I think would be more enjoyable to play in, but leech being based on the damage the player does, really just outshines any other way to heal

[desert lodge]

the idea with weaker attacks would be to overwhelm the player's ability to heal with many attacks, but leech and especially healing hands is so strong that never happens

[turbid dome]

Yeah

Nor will the swarm of weaker attacking enemies ever live long enough to do much too

[desert lodge]

on a side note, Healing Hands is absolutely bonkers. it's a traversal skill, an extremely powerful healing skill and an attack. switching from shield throw to healing hands boosted my character hugely

[turbid dome]

Healing hands is insanely strong

But healing hands does take up a skill spec slot

Whereas leech takes up a passive point or an affix slot

[desert lodge]

yeah, not really comparable

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it definitely would be "healthier" for the game

[turbid dome]

the pun was intended

[tardy mirage]

the problem is 9 times out of 10 bs mechanics are not related to sustain

remove the op leech and they will still have random one shots that you cant see coming or overtuned mobs that arent fun to deal with

poe 3.15 ptsd

[turbid dome]

imo not really,

BS is common because mechanics should have some way to substantially hinder the player, as different mechanics should mechanically feel very different from each other. Ultimatium is a good example of this because its opt in and you get to pick what hinders you. Necropolis is a bad example of this because its not opt in. Delve is another example of an enjoyable hindrance. Hindering players in ways that aren't just "you are weaker" allows for more engaging gameplay, that feels different to play and engage with.

Random one shots will always happen, thats just inherent to playing an ARPG, however my point with one shots is entering a situation/game state where the game has to be balanced around introducing things that will one shot the player, or else content is not a threat to the player. This to me is a bad/unenjoyable game state and leech causes that game state to occur.

[turbid dome]

I don't wana think about 3.15, those memories can stay locked away

[desert lodge]

health potions by themselves aren't very useful because if i attack for half a second, i'm at full health. a better use for health potions would be having a higher health pool and less leech

i only use pots when i'm losing health and not near an enemy to leech off of

[turbid dome]

tbh I usually only use potions for the remove aliments belt thing

like a belt affix that increases your number of potions + potions removal aliments, but potions don't heal would be like turbo bis to me

[autumn knot]

Was 3.15 Lake of Kalandra?

[turbid dome]

expedition

[autumn knot]

Ah. Expedition ain’t bad

[turbid dome]

the mechanic isn't bad now

[autumn knot]

Was it bad upon release?

[turbid dome]

but If i'm remembering my nightmares correctly the mechanic was a lot worse then + they reworked a lot of the campaign that leauge and most people had to farm up to clear mud flats

[autumn knot]

I only really dislike the bosses from expedition, but the rest of the mechanic is fun and good

That’s hilarious lol

[turbid dome]

those Rhoas are no joke

whenever infinite delve comes back as a mini challenge league I get reminded of that with the bone rhoa nodes

[desert lodge]

some good slams

actually 1 is weaver's will and the other was empowered by a nemesis

[turbid dome]

I'd be worried if you managed to slam a weavers item

[autumn knot]

Mud flats always has been and always will be the most dangerous zone in PoE xD

[quiet hearth]

weavers on set pieces when

[turbid dome]

How much weavers is the question

A higher weaver cap on sets that provide less powerful bonuses for wearing the set?

[quiet hearth]

No, dont reduce anything

Weaves is already a gamble, and sets are underpowered, I think adding weavers is a godo start

[turbid dome]

fair enough

[autumn knot]

Or we can go the D3 route and make a set bonus give +5000% extra damage! ^-^

but only for my favorite build and nothing else pls

[turbid dome]

[desert lodge]

not even an exaggeration. if you played a whirlwind barb, there was 1 set that you chose as your gear because it had +3000% whirlwind damage

D3 was a mobile game put on PC and major consoles

[turbid dome]

I'm pretty sure thats the exact type of set thing EHG wants to avoid

[autumn knot]

tfw you get excited because you finally dropped a 2LP unique... and then it misses both affixes you wanted to slam on it (T7 Health + T5 Endurance %)

[desert lodge]

i feel your pain, i've been trying to get a 2lp bloodgeon to drop at all

it's taking forever and i'm worried i'll just brick it and have to farm all over again

[autumn knot]

such is the endgame grind of LE

sippin' that good depresso

[desert lodge]

i don't mind it, it's night and day from PoE, where you hit a point where ONLY perfectly crafted gear will allow you to continue

which means you need to learn how to game the market to make enormous amounts of currency

[autumn knot]

true. I play HCSSF in both

the grind feels kinda similar, but I do get more excited about high LP drop items here than I do with whatever drops in PoE once you're past a certain point

[desert lodge]

i just like that i have a clear goal to becoming powerful. it's a grind but i know what i need to do. with PoE the answer is grind currency for an entire month to craft 1 piece of gear

unless you game the market where you can become heinously wealthy easily

just a busted system

[alpine canopy]

Set items will not be getting WW

I wonder when they will finally do the set rework, I think they've already said it's not coming in 1.2 sadly

[turbid dome]

you could argue that the weaver will items are already a set, its just the set bonus is +1 potion for each weaver will set item

[turbid dome]

Basically

[alpine canopy]

I do like a few of the set items, I'm just biding my time

[turbid dome]

A lot of the set items have really cool ideas

[alpine canopy]

when the set rework hits, I'm sure they'll release a few new sets, too

[turbid dome]

But they just lack the power to actually be useful

Yeah

[alpine canopy]

especially since they've been intentionally not making new set items until the rework

[turbid dome]

Still, I think the best designed set is the lightning meteor one

Good power level, doesn’t take half your slots, allows for scaling a skill in a different way

[alpine canopy]

Shattered lance is probably my favorite, same reasons

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[alpine canopy]

also scaling your damage by scaling recovery makes neurons activate

[turbid dome]

Pebbles set is BIS for getting stash tabs early cycle

Or an early idol buy

I wish the forgotten knight set was better

[alpine canopy]

If time rot ever becomes useful, it's there waiting... the sword on its own is pretty nice, though

[turbid dome]

true

[tardy mirage]

wouldnt work because potions are flat health ... not based on your hp

[tardy mirage]

wish i could

[turbid dome]

🫂

[cobalt blade]

Will the teleport VR reposition us to the edge of the arena in julra or screw with our shifting

[waxen nymph]

It will tp outside of the dungeon

[chilly peak]

I'd bet on "kill out of nowhere" still

[turbid dome]

Lore accurate buggy time magic area

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gun-gif-26207908

[turbid dome]

also its Wicccckkkkeeeeedddd

also as a prediction, Time bubble is going to become its own buff skill after the sentinel rework/update and anomaly is going to get a new branch focused around time lock

[cobalt blade]

mebbe remove time bubble altogether

room for new branch hmmm

[waxen nymph]

Anomaly rework

[turbid dome]

hey now, keep the 400% pen for future strikes applied by anomaly

[tardy mirage]

no bad

[turbid dome]

Probably a question I should know the answer too, if anomaly has “future strikes applied by anomaly have 400% void pen” would that apply to time wave as it’s a sub skill on anomaly

oh wait I think this node also has a typo of "Future attack"

[alpine canopy]

Yes, assuming time wave is a true subskill of anomaly

[turbid dome]

fear me and my 5 stacks of future strike per anomaly assuming its a true subskill

[alpine canopy]

The power of future strike!

(maybe)

[turbid dome]

I mean apply 5 aliment stacks a skill use isn't bad

until you consider its anomaly and still has like a 8 second cooldown

and while future strike has 60 base dmg which is a lot for an aliment it is delayed 3 seconds

and said delay I think has anti-synergy with anomaly's other main dot node

I should test how the reset aliment duration thing works with future strike

tbh it would be interesting playing with a bunch of "Reset future strike duration" things and have future strike last 6 seconds, with it doing all its damage at 3 seconds

so you want to keep applying stacks while reseting all the stacks in the 2nd half of future strikes duration

[cobalt blade]

mebbe Future Focus from VR will insta proc future strike

[turbid dome]

🤔

[cobalt blade]

but teleporting and procing it feels weird

[turbid dome]

keep reseting duration on future strikes -> no damage dealt yet -> detonate all future strike statcks with a damage bonus for each stack on the enemy?

bonus points of each future strike stack visually creates an echo that punches the enemy

[alpine canopy]

Increasing its duration should be a multiplicative damage modifier like any other ailment, but I have no idea how it works in reality since I just haven't bothered

It might end up doing some weird thing where it "ticks" every 3s, so like if you make it last 4.5s it would do a full tick at 3s and then a half tick at 4.5s

[turbid dome]

yeah

[alpine canopy]

just a wild guess, hopefully it's one of those lol

[turbid dome]

I assumed that if you reset the duration it would go

initial application -> reset at 2 seconds -> wait 3 more seconds -> damage

then again I don't think it would be possible to reset the duration of future strike from anomaly with anomaly

🤔 I assume that resetting the duration of future strike applied by say rive, wouldn't make it count as being applied by anomaly then

[turbid dome]

wait but would this count as increasing the duration?

[alpine canopy]

Right, it wouldn't

[alpine canopy]

functionally, yes

[turbid dome]

ah right cause if were looking at an ignite, it ticks for up to, twice as long, but for future strike I'm gonna test it later (gut still says it just delays the same amount of damage)

🤔 I kinda wana make a dot vk now that uses cycle of decay + quicksand to "detonate" a pile of dots on a boss

@quiet hearth can you make that goofy 3 dot build on a void knight

[quiet hearth]

I started to

I got bored before I got very far though

[turbid dome]

Darn

[alpine canopy]

I just tested it for funzies, looks like the reality is that duration is just a pure negative for future strike lol

no extra damage whatsoever

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

Oh, also time wave is not a subskill, so it doesn't get any future strike effect modifiers

in case you thought future strike support couldn't get any worse 😂

[turbid dome]

[sly magnet]

does anyone know if Healing Hands spec'd as traversal triggers Patient Doom (VK passive)? PD specifies it doesn't work for movement skills, but HH with Rahyeh's Chariot adds only traversal tag, not movement also. Not sure if there is spaghetti tags going on here that would mess up my plan by having HH consume PD accidently.

[turbid dome]

Haven’t tested that specifically but I’d assume it does

Wouldn’t be that hard to test with the target dummies tho

[sly magnet]

yeah just theorycrafting at work so can't test

[turbid dome]

Ah give me a few to go turn on my pc and I can check

[turbid dome]

the patient doom buff didn't go away when I converted healing hands to a melee attack (with the chariot node)

[sly magnet]

ty for testing

[alpine canopy]

I got pulled away for a sec, but finished the last thing I wanted to test. It also seems that the ailment speed on return doesn't work on the future strikes applied by anomaly and time wave. Not sure if this changes if you take immediacy, but also I don't really care since it's already so scuffed lol

[turbid dome]

future strike is so scuffed

[tardy mirage]

didnt someone already say no last time we talked about future strike?

[turbid dome]

no idea

[quiet hearth]

For a dmg type all about taking over things slowly, it's DoT doesnt work very well.

[tardy mirage]

when the sentinel class that has nothing to do with dots has better dot support

bleed pally

[quiet hearth]

I mean, pally has support for like three different dots

[woeful tapir]

hey guys, if I take weapon master passive and dual wield mace+sword do I get both passives?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[woeful tapir]

ty

[quiet hearth]

It's wild mace has a 120% dmg node and it still isnt enough xD

[waxen nymph]

Because Inc Dmg kinda suck

Well you can get so much elsewhere

[warped night]

doom star + eye of reen served me well until I got my slammed naal's tooth

[autumn knot]

How come for Rive VK build, it's recommended to use Quicksilver Coil over something like crab ring?

also why does the echo warpath build use both apathy's maw and siphon of anguish when rive build doesn't use siphon?

[warped night]

recommended by who?

[turbid dome]

If I had to guess, attack speed?

[tardy mirage]

ye attack speed

[cobalt blade]

Apathy for the darn high void melee and can use void cleave i guess. Also more doom duration and chance is great since warpath can only apply ailment effectively at 60%

Not sure about siphon for rive build, never played rive

Quicksilver coil on my bleed warpath is quite dayum

And its 3LP

[autumn knot]

maxroll guides but also leaderboards which is also heavily influenced by people following maxroll guides

both rive and warpath are pretty similar builds in terms of gear

so I was kinda wondering why one adds on the extra siphon whereas the other omits it

apathy's maw is ofc BiS

main difference in gear are the rings: Rive uses Oceareon + Quicksilver Coil vs Warpath uses Carcinization + Siphon of Anguish

[cobalt blade]

I use sun seal and anguish for my twap VK warpath 👀

Crab ring for vitality mebbe

[autumn knot]

think crab ring for warpath works bc it gives more movespeed for warpath shenanigans

whereas movespeed is less necessary on rive bc u have void cleave everywhere

[alpine canopy]

I'd guess for a couple of reasons. Mainly it has move speed, but also it is really generally easy to get a well slammed one and its stats are just generically good. Like more leech and leech rate is great for recovery.

You can probably get a good siphon or two just while farming up your maw

[autumn knot]

oh yeah I'm loaded with 2LP Siphons

just tryna theorycraft the BiS options for my current build is all

BiS that isn't red ring xD

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, just try to aim for a siphon with a high move speed roll and you should be good to go. Leech rate or ele res may be the next best stat depending on your other gear

[autumn knot]

isn't siphon kinda overkill considering you get the same (but much stronger) stats on apathy's maw? + voidknight gets built in leech from that one node in passive tree

[alpine canopy]

ele res kinda convenient for canceling WP's reduction

[autumn knot]

it's like 6% melee and 6% void leech

[autumn knot]

that's probably another reason siphon is used more on warpath than rive

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, I forgot how much leech rate maw can have on it... I guess if you have a good roll on leech rate for maw, it's less important to get rate on siphon and maybe prefer more void/melee leech

[alpine canopy]

Nah, it's mainly for the move speed - not a lot of ways to get more speed on rings

I think the ele res and good recovery stats are just bonus on top

[autumn knot]

True, I forget it gives movespeed. It's kinda just squeezed in the middle of the rest of the same stats that apathy's maw gives lol

You're right though. That's a really good point

[turbid dome]

Maw is 100% increased leech rate

You really don’t need more than that given it halves leech time per 100% rate

[alpine canopy]

50-100%, so if you got a bad roll then 30% extra leech rate will be nice

[autumn knot]

yeah that's fair. knowing the context behind why certain builds prefer certain items helps me understand how the builds work better, so thanks for that y'all

[turbid dome]

Ye

[turbid dome]

Don’t forget you kinda just end up with a lot of siphons by just raising your timeline corruption. So a generally good ring (for vk) that you will just end up getting a good slam on fairly easily makes siphon always a solid choice for vk

I normally equip the first siphon I get immediately, then take points out of the leech on vk’s tree

[autumn knot]

Yeah I'm aware of that and I have a ton of 2LP Siphons already. Think it's still a bit overkill for what I got going on rn though

likely better BiS for Rive. Makes sense why Warpath VK uses it though due to extra movespeed

[turbid dome]

Ye

[autumn knot]

passives-wise, I wouldn't remove the leech nodes off Rive either

[turbid dome]

Rive also has the exalted coral rings angle if you really want more vitality

[autumn knot]

bc the alternative for that is putting points into flat void

but since rive gets doubled off weapon, the amount you get from tree is kinda small

for warpath, those extra points removed from the leech node could be beneficial elsewhere for sure though (if you're running a siphon)

[turbid dome]

That’s a solid analysis

[wooden bay]

Is physical crit javelin build viable rn?

[waxen nymph]

Haven't tried it but probably meh

[split quartz]

Hi Guys, new to sentinel, and have a question about Shield throw. It scales with Dex+ Str, it is worth scalling Att for Eruption (lava burst) ? Thx

[desert lodge]

sentinel needs javazon skills. forked lightning jav

[alpine canopy]

Your best bet would be siege barrage, but if you want to play crit it would probably be better as lightning. Otherwise, bleed is pretty decent.

[waxen nymph]

I know what the tooltip says but Lava Burst inherit %Inc Dmg from Shield Throw and so only get %Inc Dmg from Str and Dex

Not Att

[split quartz]

I hoped that it would be that case, thank you Vlad.

[silent holly]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrzyL7yB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (12) / Paladin (80)

General:

▸ Health: 3,492, Regen: 37.2/s
▸ Mana: 306.91, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 26 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 122% / 84% / 84% / 88% / 113% / 106% / 77%
▸ EHP: 10,293 / 10,293 / 10,293 / 18,975 / 10,293 / 10,293 / 10,293

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 925
▸ Armor Mitigation: 74% (7,842)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (23)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)
• Holy Aura (21)
• Healing Hands (23)
• Smite (21)

Used unique items:

• Eye of Reen
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Wings of Argentus
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Throne of Ambition

[silent holly]

any little changes you think i can make

this build has been doing pretty well so far for a homebrew, just wondering if im missing some stupid obvious stuff that could push it further

mana hasnt been an issue at all even without vr

[turbid dome]

no suggestions or super obvious stuff

but wow that code is unethical

@silent holly what corruption is this build going at?

[silent holly]

im still doing low corr getting the empowered blessings

i have no idea if it will still be viable when i start pushing corruption but im not very close to the projected idea of the build

yhh the code is super ambitious it wont be half as good but ill farm them till the day i die

[turbid dome]

ohh thats the plan

[silent holly]

yhh

havent reached that yet

[turbid dome]

you may want to think about using Orian's Eye for the amulet

or time glass

[silent holly]

good idea

would i also want to take "fire converted to phys" just to increase armours effect on fire and void dmg taken?

or is that not too big a deal

[turbid dome]

you can't convert stuff twice

[silent holly]

good to know

[turbid dome]

but also converting to phys is more for avoiding pen and having full armor effectiveness, imo out of all the convert to phys stuff, poison is the best (in general)

due to poison being big dot + each poison stack lowers your poison res (first 30 stacks, 2% per stack)

[silent holly]

so it might be worth replacing fire dmg and ign duration on body armour to poison convert to phys?

considering im getting tons of fire and ign everywhere else

[turbid dome]

very much a depends, aliment duration is strong

especially for dealing with bosses

[silent holly]

i am having alot of trouble with poison atm tbf

rotsteel nemesis is one of the few enemies i have to tryhard

[turbid dome]

overcap your poison res

[silent holly]

true

[turbid dome]

is way easier and less costly and effective at stopping the poision -2% res per stack

[silent holly]

yh normally like 10 stacks destroys me

ill try get over 100 then

[turbid dome]

you also don't need to overcap it by 60% (to stop 30 stacks) as if 30 stacks are on you, your dead anyways

[silent holly]

alr

ill overcap to like 100-110

[turbid dome]

also do you know how to experimental affix craft

getting eternal gauntlets with the armor applies to dots affix will help a lot

[silent holly]

yep

i realise now i can seal that

[turbid dome]

ye

if you get lucky with a good base + affixes, nemisus can throw a T7 sealed affix your way

[silent holly]

yh ive left them all at t4 rn but obvs getting higher would be amazing

i always check rares on neme

might replace sealed health on gloves with the experimental, and then instead of health take like a t5 pois res

[turbid dome]

just watch out for your max hit when removing health

[silent holly]

yh gonna have to change around and experiment quite alot just for the one affix lol

[turbid dome]

[silent holly]

ty for the help!!

[bitter hamlet]

Do you guys think Fissure from Smite is ever worth it in an Ignite Hammerthrow Build with Smite on Throwing?
Just seems kinda hard to scale with it's low damage Effectivness or rather not worth it for having to manage the Mana Cost🤔

[turbid dome]

I've personally tried fissure a lot but it never feels great to use

early on its a lot of extra mana spent, and later on its damage isn't great

[silent holly]

yh it takes kiting enemies into it to make it fully worth it, decent for tanky enemies and bosses but doesnt help much w clear speed

[turbid dome]

actually, is your build doing ignite dot?

[silent holly]

hmm its something ive been experimenting with

atm im focusing on melee fire hit dmg

[turbid dome]

ah

[silent holly]

but im stacking up to 150 ign without speccing it

makes me wonder whether its worth going harder into it

[turbid dome]

sacrifice is basically a must take if your using smite for damage (hit or dot)

the 250% more applies to dots smite inflicts

[silent holly]

ig i spec out of conflagration and immolate to spec it?

[turbid dome]

if smite is applies a ton of ignites, yeah

[bitter hamlet]

Mine is an Ignite Build with fissures as an added Bonus since it scales with a lot of the same things, but yeah the Fissures don't really feel worth it since I have to use some Mana regen gear which could give more damage to my Ignites instead (which deal the main dmg anyways)

[turbid dome]

just make sure you have leech to counteract sacrifice

[turbid dome]

mana regen is the hardest thing to build in this game

[silent holly]

yh i got t6 melee leech on my palarus, wondering if there is a unique that leeches elemental dot tho

i might have to spec atonement a decent amount

[turbid dome]

averice and Its soul fire version

tome

bleeding heart

[silent holly]

yikes

gloves might be the only option

[bitter hamlet]

Well it works perfectly fine with 2 Pieces with T7 Mana regen but it's just not worth with Fissures low dmg sadly

[silent holly]

i could go bleeding heart maybe, but then that means no time glass or orian eye

[turbid dome]

there is a spell leech blessing

[bitter hamlet]

Kinda sucks, the Idea of Fissure as a Subskill is so cool, really want to use it

[silent holly]

i do mostly melee fire tho atm

i convert hh to melee, smite is my only spell dmg rlly

[turbid dome]

ah

[silent holly]

would sacrifice cause it to do enough dmg to make up for the health?

idk

[turbid dome]

sac is % current health lost

so its not gonna kill you

but also if you want to go more on smite, grab the vortex relic + smite on throwing attack hit idols

[silent holly]

im casting smite often enough i think, i got a 3lp palarus with max smite on melee hit

im using it more as just an extra bit of dmg whenever it procs

[turbid dome]

🤔

[silent holly]

i might spec 3 in sac and then 2 in atone

id rather spec melee fire because of wings of argentus, it gives hh 2 points for converting it

[turbid dome]

true

[silent holly]

oh and warpath is casting smite alot too

might spec 5 into molten path instead tho

[turbid dome]

the idea with vortex is simply have more smites

so you hit a critical mass of smites hitting everything around you

[silent holly]

yh but do i wanna give up the amazing code implicits

[turbid dome]

true

[silent holly]

and id have to rejig all my idols

[turbid dome]

code with like mid slams on it is still great

[silent holly]

yh i struggle to find other relics for sent that would be worth it

i might try a bleeding heart for a while, easy enough to get 3lp, i think i have one or two sat in the stash

hopefully that will counter sac

[turbid dome]

+1 all, armor, armor applies to dots, mana support

I'd use it a good amount even if it came with 0 WW

[silent holly]

yh the miti for dot is really nice

and flat armour

hard to find that elsewhere

[turbid dome]

ye

[silent holly]

and you get the gambling dopamine of rolling them

its a win win

does "bleed when casting spell" apply to indirect spell casts?

cos if so smite is gonna stack bleed like nobodies business

[bitter hamlet]

it doesn't, doing the same thing

[silent holly]

sweet

might spec out of regen on stuff like sigils tho

if it tanks it there isnt much point

oh actually im barely specced into regen

like 1 node

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxzYOX6A

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (12) / Paladin (80)

General:

▸ Health: 3,298, Regen: 26.04/s
▸ Mana: 326.75, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 34 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 122% / 84% / 84% / 88% / 113% / 106% / 115%
▸ EHP: 9,637 / 9,637 / 9,637 / 17,472 / 9,637 / 9,637 / 9,637

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 887
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,532)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (23)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)
• Holy Aura (21)
• Healing Hands (23)
• Smite (21)

Used unique items:

• Eye of Reen
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Wings of Argentus
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Bleeding Heart
• Throne of Ambition

[silent holly]

made all the changes

[bitter hamlet]

Wait since when does Healing Hands continously proc of Warpath?

[silent holly]

it procs of melee hit no?

[bitter hamlet]

only the first hit of warpath tho

[silent holly]

omd

no way

[bitter hamlet]

doesn't work with channel

[silent holly]

shit

oh no

what to i replace it with lmao

[bitter hamlet]

Unless that was changed but I'm sure I'd have seen that. But you should see the Particles from HH only on the first hit of WP instead of always with another melee attack

[silent holly]

yh tbf i havent felt like its been doing much of anything

[bitter hamlet]

could use Javelin with the standart as a traversal skill that casts a few more smites

[silent holly]

its hard to see the particles with warpath fire spinning

yh might just have to spec a movement skill

that sucks so bad tho smh

or vortex pennant hammer throw??

[bitter hamlet]

Vortex pennand throws an axe, not a Hammer from Hammer Throw so it does not work with the Skilltree

[silent holly]

rip

movement skill it is then lmao

might spec lunge maybe for the fire dmg

[bitter hamlet]

I'm kinda feeling Jav bc of the Smite Casts over time but you could just try both out I guess 😄

[silent holly]

yh ill check out jave ive never actually looked at its tree b4

i assume its battle standard?

you spec it to cast smite and tp to it?

[turbid dome]

Wait I thought you were using HH for just the invul dash

[silent holly]

oo not a bad idea actually

nah i was proccing it off of warpath lol

[turbid dome]

Oh

[bitter hamlet]

yes, the smite node is a bit later down that line

[turbid dome]

Yeah no that only works for the first hit

[silent holly]

aight

ill try healing hands as traversal cos i get +2 from wings of argentus

as long as i keep it melee

[turbid dome]

It’s solid for boss fights just invuln through the bosses attack

[silent holly]

yh im looking at it and it seems good

i assume i take 2 points out of clerics hammer and put them into rayehs chariot and sun shroud

[turbid dome]

Which one is sun shroud

[silent holly]

immune while moving

[turbid dome]

Oh yeah 100%

[silent holly]

alr cool

sucks i cant spam proc it off warpath but ill live lol

[turbid dome]

[silent holly]

makes the playstyle more active at least

[turbid dome]

Lunge needs 5 points for invulnerability

And 4 of those points do nothing

HH tho

[silent holly]

yikes

yh hh seems to be the way to go

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[silent holly]

itll scale with my fire dmg and melee stuff as well

and heal me when i use it

[turbid dome]

I can’t wait for the sentinel rework

[silent holly]

im excited for it but nervous

[turbid dome]

Yee

Rive is getting a full void conversion

[silent holly]

dont wanna have to redo my entire build and change loads of stuff around

[turbid dome]

[silent holly]

ooo

i love rive

but its only phys

[bitter hamlet]

yeah I'm really excited about that too, Sentinel is by far my fav class atm

or rather I started with it and kinda got stuck trying out loads of stuff and always coming back to it with new Ideas instead of trying the other classes except mage lol

[junior wren]

Smite heals too

[turbid dome]

This was a teaser

[silent holly]

yh but smite isnt cast on myself a majority of the time

it isnt reliable sustain

[bitter hamlet]

that looks sick

[silent holly]

doubles echo chance is kinda crazt

crazy

[bitter hamlet]

It's prob gonna replace the Vit scaling node tho right? Would be Op otherwise.

[turbid dome]

Idk

[junior wren]

it is

[turbid dome]

There are a couple of other teasers that got posted in here too, namely about VR

[silent holly]

smite hasnt been hitting me too often

[turbid dome]

But VR is getting a full rework, so see one or two nodes doesn’t say much

[silent holly]

yh i hate vr atm

feels so terrible to use

[turbid dome]

Is this something I’m too void gang to realize

[silent holly]

if i stand inside the enemy smites heal works fine, but it makes it harder to move. id rather have the damage reduction while moving from wings and then find other ways of sustain

using smite as a little bonus heal whenever it does hit me

ive specced smite entirely into dmg rather than healing stuff

[junior wren]

the link above has smite specced into buffs, and it even takes away your hp

[silent holly]

yeah

i want to spec it harder into dmg

id rather find other sources of sustain because it hasnt felt consistent when im using it

my survivability hasnt been much of an issue so far luckily, i just wanna push my damage forther

further

[junior wren]

let's just say it's not very smart idea to stack HP and have a skill that eats ~500 HP up to three times a second or more

[silent holly]

so i shouldnt stack hp?

it seems like the best way to increase its damage

as long as my sustain is good enough it wont be a problem

[junior wren]

no, your smite shouldn't eat your only ehp source

[silent holly]

so where do i spec it then

i had it on spreading flames and hit dmg on ignited

but i was told to try sac

[turbid dome]

If you want damage from smite it feels wrong to me to not have sacrifice

[silent holly]

yh as long as im not dying id rather have a huge dmg buff at the cost of some hp i can easily get back as quick as im using it

isnt spending health to deal dmg like half of the acolyte

[turbid dome]

Sorta lich

[junior wren]

I'm pretty sure you'll die when you're casting a skill that costs 500 HP on a HP build. But if you think it wont be a problem, then try it out and see 🙂

[turbid dome]

I’m still in the camp of grab the spell leech blessing so when smite hits stuff it heals off its % current health cost