🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

90% (90 vit) poison res at 10 stacks = 70% poison res

its extra but most of the time you can grab a random poison res affix to boost it up that bit more

[lilac sparrow]

Is there any way VK

Can cleanse ailment?

[turbid dome]

belt affix on potion chug?

[lilac sparrow]

That sounds cope

Ughhh 😣😩

[turbid dome]

thats what I normally try to grab

but its also on potion chug and requires me to notice it so thats why i just heavily overcap my poison res

[lilac sparrow]

Any recommendations for idol

[turbid dome]

the ones that give flat vitality

[lilac sparrow]

What two affixes

[turbid dome]

if your using a high cdr skill get the inspiration on void spell kill idols

[lilac sparrow]

Vitality and?

Hmm I don't need cdr

My skills are low cd

[turbid dome]

For the 4x1

7 vitality + shared void dmg/resistances (if needed)/ armor%/timerot on hit (if you need timerots to trigger stuff)

for the 2x1

3 Vitality + shared void dmg/resistances (if needed)

the 4x1 has some other things like chance to slow on void spell hit and armor shred on hit chance

[lilac sparrow]

Whats the purpose of slow?

Is it actually good?

[turbid dome]

I mean it slows things so melee dudes take longer to get in range to hit you

but some stuff triggers off of slows like abyssals echos making erasing strike do more damage and anything that relied on ignite from smite now relies on slow when void converted

its not great and usually not worth the idol slot

[lilac sparrow]

Yeah I don't use abyssal echo and erasing strike so I'll skip on that

In return

I use smite spam from warpath and void cleave

[turbid dome]

Understandable

[rigid hill]

smite spam's fun, no doubt

[lilac sparrow]

Yeah dps is strong along with ravage aura

[tardy mirage]

oof so need 110 more than cap

wait no

85? ye 85

honestly im lazy so i just get to 100 and then if anything else happens it happens

[turbid dome]

now granted with how dots currently work, your gonna be dead before you get 30 poison stacks on you even with super overcapped res

[tardy mirage]

true

the one poison stack that ticks for half your health

xD

[turbid dome]

[autumn knot]

finally one showed up in nemesis

so tempted to greed reroll affixes for the 26% health, but this is probably better to just rune of creation. rest of the affixes are pretty maxed too

[tardy mirage]

lol

[autumn knot]

it only took me til lv 99 to get a good helmet. I've been dumping all my favor into body armour and helm prophecies too

[river raptor]

For a 2h void cleave build, how many stacks of multistrike can I get as max? Am at 4 and can't see any more nodes and only know of the 1h sword for more..

Or not even on the sword, nvm

[tardy mirage]

4

[river raptor]

Thanks 🙂

[tardy mirage]

4 stacks and like double sword

[river raptor]

Mostly wanting the stacks to make void cleave stronk

[tardy mirage]

ic

then ye 4

[river raptor]

BTW, with the axe node for multi, do you get 2 stacka each cast and the mana+hp regen from passive twice?

[tardy mirage]

id have to look

hmmm is there a multistrike build that uses multistrike as your damage and not just to trigger smite/FW

[waxen nymph]

Not that I know of

Because for dmg Rive is always the better choice

[tardy mirage]

ic

sad

[tardy mirage]

you get 2 attacks frrom the main cast so i guess anything that happens from that main cast happens twice

[waxen nymph]

The Axe node?

Oh yeah got it

Not it still count as 1 Use /Cast

[tardy mirage]

f

[river raptor]

So only 1x stacks?

Rip

[quiet hearth]

#rivesuperiority

has anyone ever fooled around with the rive explosions?

[tardy mirage]

rive explosions?

you mean the thing with holy aura?

[quiet hearth]

Rive has a node to make things explode when the 3rd hit kills them

[tardy mirage]

oh lel

[quiet hearth]

funny thing the builder says it scales with Int

[tardy mirage]

ngl i kinda hate chars that scale on things they dont actually own natively

cough cough warlock and dex for the harvest thing

theres no dex anywhere on accolyte so it feels entirely out of place ... and ye gear exists but like

same for the balista thing with int on rogue

[turbid dome]

lol it does say it scales with int

[quiet hearth]

in game?

[turbid dome]

letools I'm at work rn

[tardy mirage]

ill check

yes fireburst has an int tag

@quiet hearth

fire spell area int

[quiet hearth]

I just looked wow XD

Cleaver solution time I guess

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

I mean, Ive been wondering about a LL ward sent

[tardy mirage]

i mean

it used to exist with HH

[quiet hearth]

too bad that is wasted on paladin xD

[tardy mirage]

they actively shafted that idea pretty sure lel

[quiet hearth]

the ward part of HH is still bugged yeah?

[tardy mirage]

idk

i just know it got hit with a big nerf in 1.1

[waxen nymph]

That's a tooltip error/shenanigan
It inherit Attribute scaling from its main skill (Rive here)

[quiet hearth]

Right, I thought that is what it was meant to do but you know, weirdness

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

Honestly I dont think it'd be that bad, for that specific playstyle since you want some Int for ward anyway

[tardy mirage]

you probably dont want to use cleaver solutions tho cuz dmg

[quiet hearth]

That's what nemmy is for

[tardy mirage]

lol

[waxen nymph]

Imo the problem is they are a Spell and Rive is a Melee Attack. So you would need maybe a Fire Burst / Smite Palarus setup to be able to use them

[quiet hearth]

You read my mind

[waxen nymph]

Or a bleed build

[turbid dome]

couldn't you melee attack with a staff for fire burst rive

[quiet hearth]

I mean it has a pretty decent amount of flat dmg, comparable to most axe bases

[waxen nymph]

Also you could use Smite Execute for more Meme Power

[quiet hearth]

Just be like, I dare you to get to low hp near me

rive has taht 15% execute as well

[waxen nymph]

Smite has an Kill Threshold and an Explosion on Death

[quiet hearth]

Right, Im including all that too

Rives only happens on the 3rd strike

[turbid dome]

mmm jaspers searing pride first burst rive sentinel time

[quiet hearth]

Nope, LL paladin Cleaver and Palarus time

[turbid dome]

flame drinker gaming

[quiet hearth]

fissure also can execute xD

but even I wont use that

[waxen nymph]

That's what I meant by Smite has a KT

[quiet hearth]

I was thinking of the smite explodes people

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

should just DW palarus and stack str honestly

[tardy mirage]

owo

das mine

[quiet hearth]

this is some all of us have sword energy

https://tenor.com/view/amirlotan-aladdin-disney-idiot-we-all-got-swords-gif-18520126

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

What I love is the sword is almost better on werebear spell builds than sent builds

[gusty abyss]

doubt

[quiet hearth]

DW palarus bear is nutty because of double str to spells

[gusty abyss]

1M favor in, its home again 🙂

[autumn knot]

wow nice!

Finally did it y'all! First try ezpz 😉 thanks for the help/guidance from everyone here especially @chilly peak

[gusty abyss]

It has to compete against my current slam, the proc of 36% vs 46% is about a 4.5% damage loss, which is about the expected gain from slamming armor shred on the 4 LP.

As much as it hurts, I think I have to go another mil of favor xD

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

What can I say? I in no way contributed.

[glass oracle]

Is Woe worth investing in? or just get 4 points into it to unlock Singular Purpose and move on?

[waxen nymph]

A bit more context please

[turbid dome]

its good for mapping, lacks a lot for fighting bosses

personally I go for the time rot chance node to get to singular purpose, but thats because I love erasing strike's 100% more vs 12 time rot node

[glass oracle]

I am having fun with a Warpath+Smite combo atm, Smite is converted to Void and scales wit Vit. So it is mainly a melee, void build

[turbid dome]

how often are things dying to the warpath?

[glass oracle]

Not exactly sure. Smite does have higher dmg at the moment, but I am missing some dmg nodes in Warpath

[turbid dome]

Woe is probably better than the timerot on melee hit chance

but your not gonna get a ton out of it until your warpath dmg is higher

[glass oracle]

I see. thx

[autumn knot]

Gearing up for Aberroth in HC now... do I need Eternal Gauntlets? Does he do much DoT? Or should I just switch over to Salt the Wounds for more damage?

Also I feel like an Orian's Sun Seal is almost mandatory for this fight. Thoughts?

[lilac sparrow]

I just invested 4 points here to unlock the next node that gives 100% void dmg at maximum

[lilac sparrow]

Yes I love warpath too it gives flat 50 spell DMG while spinning and spams smite

@turbid dome what do you think of Null Armor?

[turbid dome]

This thing?

very good if you can fill out your resistances to get the DR

[lilac sparrow]

@turbid dome yeah all my res are more than cap for some reason

[turbid dome]

exalted affixes?

[lilac sparrow]

Nah not really

It's more of extras

[chilly peak]

First gz to the 100!

Not 100% sure what is hit and what DoT in that fight, but I can remember a few things that I would assume to be a DoT.

While Oracle amulet or Eternal gauntlets are always nice to have, I never had a fight where I thought that this one piece was game changer alone.

You did the fights quite a few times in SC before?

I'm a fan of Sun Seal in some builds, tho it is mathematical non sense most of the time. In the end Orians skips the animation (nice to have), cuts little mana cost (nice to have) and gives you a not too important skill point.
Still I loved Orians, cause that evenly distributed mana cost + the never-care-factor, did not only help me when lacking kills, but also made sure I never forgot my defense buff in hectic situations

[autumn knot]

Thanks! I think salt the wounds isn’t going to do too much. I have enough damage as is I think. Plus my eternal gauntlets are pretty BiS rn so it’s probably not worth the trade off.

I’ve done the fight in SC on a blastrain marksman so the fight’s a bit different. Squishier, more damage, blink ability. I’ll practice more in SC before attempting the fight in HC

As for Orian’s, I was mostly just wondering how essential it was to have 4 sigils up at all times. There’s no way I’m manually casting it while fighting Aberroth lol

But at the same time, I lose out on some other good stats replacing either of my rings

Trying to farm a 2LP Orian’s rn just so I at least have some options

[chilly peak]

Also did not try Abby yet. Still building up the rooster to see which chars I want to use for Abby/corr push and which for Arena.
Tho sadly just playing Arena with myself so far 😦

[chilly peak]

Speaking of options, guess Red Ring is none, because of lacking stats, right?

And on the Sigils: I think it sums up for 4 sigils, didn't want to miss that out

[cobalt blade]

It took me... oh wait i havent got it. I am still looking for my perfect crafted t7 reduced cost since 5ever

[autumn knot]

I surprisingly haven’t had a single red ring drop yet

[autumn knot]

Yeah that’s a tough one. Had several T7 reduced costs drop and have always failed to craft something usable out of them

My body piece is still really bad even after all this time

[cobalt blade]

"Several"... very ouch. I guess desire sensor just hates me. But cant be help cuz I need it on a Leonie helm cough blood

[autumn knot]

Aberroth scares me haha. Even after practicing in SC, I think I’m gonna die in HC but I’ll likely attempt it soon

[autumn knot]

I’ve bricked so many T7 body armours and helms too. Every time I try to rune of removal, it aimbot snipes my exalted affix 🙃

After all those drops and crafting attempts, it took a nemesis having the base item to empower for me to finally get something decent lol

First leonine in the nemesis too after like 3 dead hammerdins and a lv 100 one

Wish there was a “/played” command that tells me how many hours I’ve put on a character

[chilly peak]

My current main is a over 100k ehp monster and should be able to beat him easily. And I'm still scared 🙂

[chilly peak]

Not a single random drop in all my hours. Only farmed them via prophecies so far

[gusty abyss]

@turbid dome 🫣

[turbid dome]

watcha gonna slam onto it

[gusty abyss]

I think it is going to be a stash trophy

[waxen nymph]

T3 Minion Flat Spell, T3 Shock

[gusty abyss]

if you gonna slam a rare 2lp like this, at least make sure its 4 usable stats xD

[turbid dome]

increased void dmg + increased spell dmg would be my two picks for wizard vk

[gusty abyss]

I do really wanna go void caster again at some point though. But I am just to captured with trying to max out warpath smites. Since I shattered my 40k crits goal really early on, smashed 50k and now even beat 60k. I think I want to go for a stupid number like 100k.

[turbid dome]

given you lack so much increased from other sources

[gusty abyss]

I could cheat and use VR worst case ^^

[turbid dome]

the real trophy is getting omnividence to drop in the first place

then hitting the 1.35% chance for 2lp

[gusty abyss]

Its my 3rd this cycle, other 2 where 1lp

[turbid dome]

can I borrow your luck

[gusty abyss]

I might have missed some though, I dont really highlight them (just 2lp for lvl 60+)

[turbid dome]

but the funny eyeball stick

which I also hope omnividence gets a visual update at some point, its a lil goofy looking rn

[gusty abyss]

Best I can do is offer to play together, maybe obsidian resonance doesnt take to long? 😛

[turbid dome]

🤔 honestly no idea

[gusty abyss]

From my experience it is like 1 per 8 golden, it takes quite a bit sadly

[turbid dome]

back to buying all the omnividences on the market again

I kinda hope vk wizard doesn't become popular so I can keep buying omnividences

[gusty abyss]

Doom pulse void wizard's belt of 131% crit multi

I do really wanna try that some day on VK

[turbid dome]

its fun

but wizard vk gets fire + void spell...

having one spell that isn't smite or echos convert to cold/lightning would make it so much better

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, fire void and lightning smite, which sadly we would want to be our filler void spell

[turbid dome]

having a lightning convert for abyssal orb would be cool

or cold

A node for abyssal orb that makes its pulse pull things towards it (mini black hole) then a node off of that which converts it to cold and gives it frostbite chance

[gusty abyss]

group em up, pulse em down

[turbid dome]

Would also help shadow beacon

[waxen nymph]

Cold is not thematically appropriate for Sentinel

[turbid dome]

Chill of the void gaming

But also theme wise half of sentinels story is rebelling against his home

Why wouldn’t he pick up a few tricks from his new friends

[waxen nymph]

I would definitely see that as a new mastery for Sentinel

Something like Cold Steel theme

[turbid dome]

The Apostate -> A Sentinel has learned to not rely on the powers or teachings from the gods and instead enhances their own willpower with the teachings of their friends. Focus on Physical damage and a sprinkle of skills from the campaign allies (a cold skill from learning Heroboran stuff, a lightning skill from Harton, etc.)

give it some funny node that provides a powerful buff for the downside of you can't use idols

[unborn slate]

@waxen nymph this is my build 🙂 The gloves arent correct yet (affixes might be same or similar tho) and other than that the exalted ring is going to be changed and overall look for t5 sub affixes on all gear which doesnt have it yet
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO529y3A
The sceptre ill replace too but thats damage stuff only

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (11) / Paladin (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,363, Regen: 32.81/s
▸ Mana: 367.02, Regen: 10.74/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 66 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 133% / 104% / 136% / 83% / 82% / 96% / 107%
▸ EHP: 6,110 / 6,110 / 6,110 / 8,059 / 6,110 / 6,110 / 6,110

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 52%, Threshold: 790
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (29)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,216)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Warpath (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Culnivar's Claim
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Devotion
• Stormcarved Testament

[unborn slate]

I feel like my Endurance Threshhold is way too low to not die immediately but idk how to adress that without giving up too much damage affixes

or the unique items im using... they are basically essential

[turbid dome]

how is your max hit so low with 3k hp

[unborn slate]

max hit? Sry im not really into the super technical stuff 😅

[turbid dome]

max hit = the biggest single hit/bunch of hits at once you can take and survive

LE tools displays it as your EHP vs one-shot

[unborn slate]

ahhh ok ty

[turbid dome]

does this have any ward generation?

[unborn slate]

well idk but id assume thats why i die so fast

not any worth mentioning

[turbid dome]

your defense is very low

health pool is solid but you seemingly lack extra sources of Damage Reduction while also not having a ton of armor

[unborn slate]

They gloves with Armor mitigation for DoT are what im going for right now

I might be able to get more Armor with Blessings but other than that idk

[turbid dome]

oh wait

[unborn slate]

I thought roughly 60% Armor mitigation is decent

[turbid dome]

get 5 points in this (Base sentinel tree)

10% damage reduction is very good for sentinel (even if its conditional)

[unborn slate]

that seems to be an easy change, will do that ty

[turbid dome]

I normally aim for 70%

[unborn slate]

is going for Endurance + Endurance Threshhold even worth for me? I could drop these affixes for sth else

[turbid dome]

every % of DR you have makes the next 1% stronger

[turbid dome]

Getting Endurance % to full is good, flat endurance threshold is very mid

cause of how endurance works

consider a high endurance % and the base threshold as oneshot protection

[unborn slate]

so I could go for Health as suffix on my 2nd ring instead?

probably drop the %movespeed belt for the Armor belt too

id rather be 4-8% slower than die all the time

[alpine canopy]

yeah, since you get base endurance threshold equal to 20% of your max health, scaling health keeps your endurance relevant without needing actual threshold on any gear

[turbid dome]

I also personally just grab an anchor of oblivion to cover all my endurance problems

plus anchor also gives a nice increase to your armor

unless theres a reason you really want the totem relic

[unborn slate]

hm might have to see if my damage is still decent with dropping the relic

its good mana, attunement and pen

all 3 of these work well with the build

[turbid dome]

anchor's main strength is that you don't need endurance on any other gear

[turbid dome]

I see

[unborn slate]

Ill still try and see if it works

[turbid dome]

with the build you sent, setting it to max rolls, LE Tools says your armor DR goes from 56 to 64 by swapping in a anchor

this also is thinking about the other affixes you could swap out

so the question is, is that worth loosing the damage?

[alpine canopy]

as a pally, you can get a big chunk of endurance on holy aura, makes it pretty easy to cap without an anchor

[turbid dome]

true

[unborn slate]

Damage is already not that great but Im thinking something like this might work https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Apzv7pRB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (11) / Paladin (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,900, Regen: 32.81/s
▸ Mana: 309.98, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 76 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 126% / 100% / 106% / 78% / 78% / 77% / 101%
▸ EHP: 10,689 / 10,689 / 10,689 / 18,586 / 10,689 / 10,689 / 10,689

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 84%, Threshold: 898
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,615)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Warpath (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Culnivar's Claim
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Devotion
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Palarus's Sacred Light

[turbid dome]

the other thing is that you are very very overcapped on a lot of resistances

set to actual using your ingame stats

[unborn slate]

the elemental resistances drop when channeling warpath

-30%

and I think that doesnt get calculated into it even when active in LE tools

[turbid dome]

oh true

but even then your at 100% fire res, and 100% lightning res, you may be able to get some exalted resistance affixes to open up a slot or two

[unborn slate]

thats just passives, etc. + the implicit on the amulet

no affixes for them

[turbid dome]

tho also granted duel wielding will always cook your defense a bit

[turbid dome]

ah

darn

[alpine canopy]

paladin life

[turbid dome]

🤔 could we get some block in here using the warpath node

or is that still foolish if your not using a shield

[alpine canopy]

this probably, you won't have enough block effect or chance

[unborn slate]

idk but I figured block without shield isnt great

[turbid dome]

true

[unborn slate]

I might look into using a shield too

but the sceptre works so great with the build haha

[turbid dome]

going sword + shield would make you a lot tankier

gotta get the go to ironglass shield with exalted block chance

[unborn slate]

it would open up new passives nodes that work with shield and might make up for the damage loss

[turbid dome]

let me make a quick planner for it with a shield

[unborn slate]

Ah I would have to find a different source of leech if I give up the scepter I think

It had lightning damage leech trait

[chilly peak]

Any specific reason you did choose to go lightning?

I didn't catch everything, but VanillaMan struggles a bit with above build I guess?

[unborn slate]

I just wanted to try a new build and found some items that synergized decently

[unborn slate]

Exactly

[chilly peak]

But you use two fire skills and convert one to lightning, not sure if that makes sense

[unborn slate]

If you mean Warpath: it’s not supposed to deal damage just help with smite proccs

[chilly peak]

Would play that skill set full fire, for full synergy

[turbid dome]

@unborn slate This is my quick and dirty pivot to shield + sword for your build, anyone else please take a look at it and make sure I'm not making a dumb mistake

Important Notes:

• This has more block chance than needed on your gear, you only need to hit 80% block chance while not using warpath

• The shield is very good and will take some time to get

• You become much much tankier without sacrificing that much damage because paladin gets spell damage while using a shield nodes

• Spell leech is acquired through the blessing for spell leech

• Do note that the defenses picture is with it set to max rolls

• there are open idol slots, do with them what you want

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDWljMJA

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (79)

General:

▸ Health: 3,177, Regen: 38.6/s
▸ Mana: 300.06, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 72 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 130% / 92% / 110% / 94% / 94% / 84% / 81%
▸ EHP: 18,734 / 18,734 / 18,734 / 31,729 / 18,734 / 18,734 / 18,734

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 84%, Threshold: 705
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,218)
▸ Block Chance: 84%, Mitigation: 61% (3,061)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Warpath (22)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Devotion
• Anchor of Oblivion

[unborn slate]

I’ll try that out thanks a lot! Really appreciate the help

[turbid dome]

you also don't need full points into the less cost while warpathing as you regen 10 mana second, as long as your smite + warpath cost per second is less than 10 your good to go

but don't make it like 0.2 mana positive per second as you want to use your other skills

oh wait theres suppose to be a spellblade slam on the sword (flat spell dmg)

granted more strength is probably a good idea given your using palarus

[unborn slate]

Strength might be better overall true

[chilly peak]

I'm not a fan of sqeezing in a shield, in a build that is already so far from a good offense.
I feel some classical damage reduction would do a better job.

Btw if it is Smite-focused, why no Vortex Pennant?

[turbid dome]

good point

vortex pendent + make 2 of the 2x2 idols have chance to smite on throwing hit prefix

I knew I was missing something

[chilly peak]

• I'd never combine Orians with Devotion.

If it shall be Devotion, cut Orians imo

[unborn slate]

Ahh I’ve never thought of using the relic that way but makes sense

[chilly peak]

Also take the passive for axe throws on top and you have some nice additional Smite proccs

[turbid dome]

embracing full spell with a scptre like this might make more sense

still the same warpath at them but make the smites hurt a lot more

with vortex + smite on throwing attack hit idols

[unborn slate]

Btw why not combine the ring and amulet?

[cobalt blade]

Anchor kills when the slow procs

[unborn slate]

What’s the anti synergy there

[turbid dome]

ring needs you at above 70% mana to auto cast, devotion wants you to be at low mana

[chilly peak]

You want to spend mana asap. Orians is a tool to save mana and use mana most economic

[cobalt blade]

If only my build isn't so contradicting on mana

copium

[turbid dome]

basically mana dump -> warpath through the echo with you staying mostly low on mana

[unborn slate]

Ahh ok makes sense yes

A lot to change it seems 😂

[turbid dome]

tis the fate of reworking a build

[cobalt blade]

fix my mana and warrior's fury issue, Engi

fix it

[turbid dome]

unspec warrior's fury

theres no fixing that node's mana problem

[unborn slate]

So which would be better now? The sceptre build or using a shield

[turbid dome]

you can stay duel wield, go palarus + shield or sceptre + shield or some other combo you want to try

[cobalt blade]

what a fix

[turbid dome]

if it had some cap like 20% of your mana pool per second I'd try something silly

there would be some way to mana 3 void essences -> 30% mana work with that, probably (probably not)

[chilly peak]

Full fire, double wield 😛

[cobalt blade]

I need to staph playing things that ramp but burst instead

[junior wren]

it seems the primary dmg source is smite, but in the shield planner you lowered his spelldmg significantly?

[turbid dome]

1. shield planner is suppose to have flat spell slammed onto the sword

2. swapping from 2 weapons to a weapon + shield will lower your damage, taking the spell damage while holding a shield nodes is suppose to offset that, mostly

3. nothing that happens while spinning is ever shown in LE Tools, sadly

4. that link doesn't have it set up to use vortex pendent + smite on throwing attack to up the damage as well

[chilly peak]

4. check spinning in the planner 🙂

[turbid dome]

how long has the toggle warpath been there for

[cobalt blade]

^ i remember it calculates for passives and skill nodes but not any affix "... while channeling"

[junior wren]

I meant Culnivar's. It provides lightning spell dmg from the unique, plus it also had an affix for lightning spell dmg 🙂

[turbid dome]

oh wait no thats not applying the warpath while spinning nodes

[chilly peak]

At least it takes DR into account (Argentus chest)

[turbid dome]

swapping the sword for Culnivar could work

especially given this build isn't really making use of the strength -> spell dmg affix

something like this would work I think

[junior wren]

yes, even with a T7 spelldmg affix the scepter provides higher flat

[turbid dome]

ye

plus then that keeps the ez mana dump

[chilly peak]

No checks

while channeling

And why did the numbers drop so much, that char was +24k ehp iirc...🤔

[turbid dome]

🤔 I'm toggling it now and I see no difference

ima just assume my instance of letools is cursed

[chilly peak]

Yeah seems to work only for Argentus it seems

[turbid dome]

dang

and holy aura I guess

warpath's buff skills thing doesn't update with its nodes

[chilly peak]

That is what I meant with "check Warpath"

[turbid dome]

yeah I had that checked too + tried checking + unchecking it

[chilly peak]

Ah ok 😦

[turbid dome]

it ok, computers are weird

[junior wren]

yeah warpath doesn't work in planner. but any effects "while channeling" do if you check that "is channeling"

[alpine canopy]

yeah, skill trees are only implemented for the skills that have DPS calcs, just some mage skills last I checked

though holy aura is special lol

[chilly peak]

Really sad is you can't get your Sigils in the math in LEtools, I mean that is quite something that adds up

[junior wren]

it's per skill basis. for example Rebuke shows up under Buffs like Warpath, but if you check it, you get the DR calculation

but only if you specialize into Rebuke 😄

[turbid dome]

Rebuke is the goat of being used but not being specced

[junior wren]

and there are various bugs too. For example, +2 STR/point in Forge Guard applies the STR bonus to your total STR in the planner, but you don't get any % increased armor from this STR node 😄

[turbid dome]

LE-Tools is the goat, tho while I would love every skill having a dmg calculator... I feel the pain of coding that

especially when we have the training dummies to smack

[chilly peak]

I just see: "Is moving" is a standard check, so that covered Argentus already. So something changed for me, but I'm not sure what it is, that changes something when I check "Is channeling" ...

[junior wren]

I would guess most of the work is already done, you're just taking the numbers from the planner and using math

and math is always the same

[turbid dome]

true

[alpine canopy]

or is it? 👀

[junior wren]

there are some special cases, like "lightning spell critical" which aren't shown, but those could already be calculated on the backend

[junior wren]

Dammit said his project is closed source, so nobody knows but him

[chilly peak]

Ok, what is it, that influences EHP, when I check "Is channeling"? I can't find it
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omzb0OnA

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (66)

General:

▸ Health: 4,740, Regen: 27.65/s
▸ Mana: 237.47, Regen: 11.78/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 99 Str / 24 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 118% / 74% / 76% / 108% / 101% / 108%
▸ EHP: 17,182 / 17,182 / 17,051 / 27,162 / 17,182 / 17,182 / 17,182

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,020
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (114)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,442)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (27)
• Smite (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Wings of Argentus
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Foot of the Mountain
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Vortex Pennant

[turbid dome]

if(spell.hastag(lightning) { add(spellLightningCritChance)}

ez

[junior wren]

blessing

armor while channeling 😄

[chilly peak]

Good catch Mister!

[turbid dome]

oh wait Psojed said it already

[tardy mirage]

owo

[junior wren]

we can share the prize 😏

are you making some kind of tanky boi?

[chilly peak]

Thanks. After all that convo about the topic I wanted to know what's happening there now.
I was always under the assumption, that the difference is Argentus. But thinking about it, that number was too low and did not affect dots, could have seen that earlier ^^

[chilly peak]

me?

[junior wren]

yup

[turbid dome]

bro is duel wielding with a red ring, this is more a BIS-ed boi

[chilly peak]

Nah, that is my 1.1 main. I was just looking for that planner thing, as it came up in the convo about VanillaMans WP/Smiter

[junior wren]

yeah, but his % increased dmg is way down

I saw the STR stack and argentus and thought it's a tanky boi

[chilly peak]

Both, that guy is tanky and could deal enough dmg for my purposes 😄

[junior wren]

fair enough 🤘

[turbid dome]

bro has a lil bit of DR

[chilly peak]

I wanted to win the ladder and I won it (just Palas) ^^ So he did a good job I guess

[junior wren]

I'm surprised how many people like warpath

[chilly peak]

Why surprised tho?

It is just a better-Whirlwind, isn't it? 😄

[junior wren]

I would think spin to win was so common people would avoid it 😄

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

[chilly peak]

It is a very nice farming build, and *feels * really awesome

[alpine canopy]

it's a little weaker in this game compared to some, but it's mechanically just really solid and a lot of people enjoy it

[quiet hearth]

Something something dont like passive gameplay

[alpine canopy]

dealing damage while moving pretty much always feels good

[junior wren]

that's right

surprised nobody runs the "righteous fire" aka. judgement aura for damage while moving

[turbid dome]

I think its a legal requirement to have a spin2win ability in any ARPG

[chilly peak]

I feel there's a difference between passive and passive. WP was one of the more active one button builds to me at least.

[turbid dome]

that doesn't stack tho right?

[quiet hearth]

So Im nobody, how are you?

[tardy mirage]

yus

[tardy mirage]

nah i got an even more active one ... thorn totem

[junior wren]

oh hi, I didn't know we had one

[junior wren]

it deals pretty good damage even without stacks no? Should be enough for farming

[turbid dome]

fair enough

[quiet hearth]

I ran a weird judgement and ravenous aura build at one point

[turbid dome]

never used it so idk I only see what draven talks about with it

[tardy mirage]

owo judgement

[junior wren]

one aura eats your soul, the other restores it hehe

[quiet hearth]

One day we will get a proper fire conversion for the aura and it will be amazing

I say that knowing full well they will make it a cold aura or some weirdness long before that

[turbid dome]

rav aura + judge aura gives me half angel/half demon first OC vibes

[tardy mirage]

lowkey they should let pilgramige connect to surprise innitiative on javelin

[junior wren]

right? you can make some great backstory for your character

[chilly peak]

Played half a dozen Palas, but never touched Judgement once, really should look at that 🙂

[turbid dome]

bro went for the buff pally package

healing hands, sigils, aura

[chilly peak]

Idk 🤷‍♂️ it is just.. I don't really feel VK and FG... so Paladin it is for me ^^

[junior wren]

I mean, Paladins can Void Cleave too 😏

[quiet hearth]

They can indeed, and that VC ignite is no joke

[turbid dome]

ye

[tardy mirage]

it cool but annoying

[quiet hearth]

How is it annoying?

[tardy mirage]

mostly just how late you get it so transitioning

also needing to keep track of when to use volatile reversal to recover your mana

[quiet hearth]

Oh that is 100% valid on the late part, I also just dont use reversal so that doesnt effect me

[junior wren]

yeah, I prefer recovering mana with rive or smite

[tardy mirage]

well you only use reversal if you use that passive that eats all your mana and gives alot of dmg

basically becomes mana stacker

[quiet hearth]

I just typically dont play builds that spend tons of mana

[tardy mirage]

but with less benefit than sorc kek

[chilly peak]

Seems then, that is no problem to me. I don't care too much about leveling and I don't plan to ever use VR to restore my mana 😄

[junior wren]

mana stacker reversal would be the aura build we mentioned earlier

[tardy mirage]

when you got like 400 mana youll regret it kek

[tardy mirage]

true

[chilly peak]

I see, that would be indeed a different Pala to those I played ^^ Should come back to that one day

[junior wren]

it's very chill

you pop judgement once per 5-7 seconds, reverse back to full mana, and then you just run around and everything dies 😄

[tardy mirage]

ye

[chilly peak]

Seems like a worse-warpath from the description 😄

[quiet hearth]

Or you skip that, run VC and just alternative using judgement or VC

[tardy mirage]

guess you would level as holy trail cuz you would already be a spell build

[junior wren]

you can level warpath or otherwise no problem

[tardy mirage]

and i think judgement build even uses that as a support

[quiet hearth]

I was using it to cast abyssal and strip armor off of things

[chilly peak]

Leveling a sentinel is so easy, worst case you can easily go WP or Hammer for leveling - smooth even w/o any gear

[tardy mirage]

toss jav for 60% judgement boost + use judgment + reversal

[junior wren]

yeah it is a support for that

but more buttons 😄

[tardy mirage]

true

6th spec so you can spec lunge to toss jav owo

[quiet hearth]

Just us FS with the detonating node

[tardy mirage]

btw do you use shield rush or lunge to move

[junior wren]

I prefer Lunge

[tardy mirage]

ic

[junior wren]

I use it to Lunge onto stuff that's not yet on my screen 😄

[tardy mirage]

lol i like rush better

cuz on straight paths you kinda just go forever

absolutely HATE the rush tree tho

its sooo bad

[quiet hearth]

ah, a person of culture

[junior wren]

yeah the infinite rush is great, buuuut Lunge ❤️

[quiet hearth]

I prefer the speed but also the fact I can heal like 60% of my orb in an instant

[junior wren]

and if you spec into it, Lunge Charges, Lunge Smite procs, Lunge Frenzy on kill, invulnerability, very nice options there

[tardy mirage]

lunge jav

lunge 2 charge jav

[alpine canopy]

it is / has been pretty popular

[junior wren]

man lunge jav is you throw a javelin, then lunge, and you arrive before your javelin hits the enemy

[tardy mirage]

ye im appreciating lunge a bit more ... it actually has a good tree unlike shield rush

please rework shield rush tree 1.2 please ehg

[alpine canopy]

even unspecced lunge is still nice

[tardy mirage]

litterally the only good utility passive on that tree is the mana cost reduction

[alpine canopy]

nothing beats VC traversal though if your build can use it

[tardy mirage]

also screw desyncronous charge ... much rather use volatile reversal if i want to rubberband myself

matter of fact i do that alot

xD

[junior wren]

oof

[alpine canopy]

VR lets you re-sync after de-sync charge to use it like another traversal lol

[quiet hearth]

VC being the best is entirely a matter of opinion

[alpine canopy]

of course, unless we wanted to define best for what

[tardy mirage]

SR the best movement skill in the game while having the WORST tree in the game

lel

[quiet hearth]

SR?

[tardy mirage]

shield rush

[alpine canopy]

SR is very situational, personally not a fan of that

[junior wren]

This and our discussion just gave me a build idea. What if you stack lots of CDR and alternate between Holy Trail Javelin and Consecrated Ground Judgement. Javelin has shorter cooldown, so it'll always proc the 60% more dmg on your next Judgement, and you can stack multiple Holy Trails and Grounds in the same spot for boss killing.

[tardy mirage]

sure

lel

[junior wren]

they also both scale with inc healing

[tardy mirage]

no they dont? i dont think judgement does

[quiet hearth]

How is shield rush situational? You press button, you go that way

[junior wren]

judgement the melee attack doesn't, but the DoT does

[tardy mirage]

owo where does it say that

thats pog if true

[alpine canopy]

depends on map geometry

[junior wren]

on the skill itself iirc?

[quiet hearth]

you can say the same thing about any movement skill though

[alpine canopy]

nope

[quiet hearth]

Yes

[tardy mirage]

oh nice

[alpine canopy]

How many other movement skills are completely useless on some tilesets?

[quiet hearth]

most of them XD

[chilly peak]

I feel you're both not wrong 🙂

[alpine canopy]

I mean, saying most skills are useless on some tilesets is just wrong

the only ones that really don't function on some maps as far as I know are shield rush and rampage

(which are basically the same skill)

[quiet hearth]

I didn't say most skills, the topic was movement skills, and Ive gotten stuck with pretty much every single one of them, and all work better on certain tile sets than others.

[chilly peak]

Haha, was just about to get Rampage into this 🙂 And yeah, there is some tiles where you really have troubles, up to so-stuck-you-need-to-relog, true that. But I feel "completely useless" is a little exaggerated, from my experience it is usually just certain things like some bridges and stairs mostly where you struggle.
But Draven is also right, that almost all movement skills have their situational ups and downs, depending on the scenario.

[alpine canopy]

yeah I'm only talking about movement skills, too

yeah, every move skill has pros and cons, like every skill basically

[tardy mirage]

shield rush has alot of cons sadge

[alpine canopy]

but shield rush ranges from letting you move across 90% of an echo in one use to literally canceling as soon as you press the button in others

[tardy mirage]

litterally every movement skill is soooo versatile triggering a bunch of stuff or giving a bunch of buffs

[chilly peak]

Some corners rather let a Teleport through, others the Leap. Some very good movement skills have certain drawbacks like "you need a target" and so on. That is what I meant with my comment, that I feel truth in both of your statements 🙂

[tardy mirage]

then shield rush is just ... move

its really good at "move" but its just "move"

[chilly peak]

SR also has a big pro btw, you can cover a whole map if you just find a straight line. That's not nothing

[tardy mirage]

how many maps is that tho really kek

[alpine canopy]

like 1 or 2 I think, quite a few others that it's good in (but not like takes you across the whole thing)

[chilly peak]

I played together with a 200% MS mage in 1.1 - I swear you, SR is the only Pala movement that can keep track with that at least sometimes 😄

[tardy mirage]

true

[alpine canopy]

it's the few that it either doesn't work in, or each use can only take you like 5m most of the time that make it situational

[chilly peak]

Yup

[alpine canopy]

granted, the echoes where it has been totally broken in are mostly fixed so they aren't so bad, they aren't totally fixed

[quiet hearth]

And my point still stands, different players have different requirements for what skill feels the best to them. Saying something is the best is entirely subjective.

[chilly peak]

I go with that

[alpine canopy]

of course, that's why I started my comments on SR as:
"SR is very situational, personally not a fan of that"

[junior wren]

the main con for SR for me is that it actually eats mana, unlike most other movement skills

[quiet hearth]

Only that is an objective statement on how situational it is, some people might think a skill that grants huge stun chance and -20% dmg red while moving is far from situational

[chilly peak]

Great if you play Smite/Devotion

[junior wren]

if you spec into SR then this problem goes away, and then it's awesome on any open map, and on labyrinth-like places you just walk

[alpine canopy]

it's a loop

[tardy mirage]

problem is like ... if you hit something you stop moving

so very hard to use it

very hard to use the dmg reduction i mean

[quiet hearth]

You don't, unless you let go

You can also take the no CD option and ddos the server with all the repeats

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[quiet hearth]

I did that with the bonk hammer to bypass the AS speed, I was always moving essentially, wonky but strangely effective

[tardy mirage]

ye feels like the tree is more geared to shield rush being a dmg skill than a utility skill

[chilly peak]

What absolutely makes sense from a design perspective, as there is Lunge already as dedicated movement/misc

[tardy mirage]

ye but this started as a movement skill

[quiet hearth]

Lunge with max stacks with the hammer is hilarious to watch

[tardy mirage]

most other damage skills are damage skills converted to a movement skill

[quiet hearth]

lunging at the speed of smell

[tardy mirage]

lol

[paper kiln]

what paladin builds are ppl playing these days?

[quiet hearth]

LL Cleaver solution (dont do it)

[tardy mirage]

hammer throw

[tardy mirage]

all the hardcore players are hitting the ladder with bleed hammer throw

[paper kiln]

i see

[chilly peak]

Sadly not

It is boring there, no one joins the ladder ^^

[tardy mirage]

they were last week kek

[chilly peak]

Not one in the top 10 at least. And I don't consider most of the top10 even as participants 😄

[quiet hearth]

Maybe I'll throw the all dot build and see if I can climb the ladder

[chilly peak]

But theres a few popular Pally builds I'd say. Hammers, WP, Judgement and Smiters come to my mind. And for any of the mentioned there is at least two different more popular builds, or am I wrong

[paper kiln]

or maybe even try FG

[worn garden]

tit's closer to the end of the cycle, so lot of people took a break

it's*

[chilly peak]

Yeah I'm aware. Still it is boring to play a ladder almost alone ^^ I mean until 150 you can basically take **any ** level 100 char

[worn garden]

could always go back to softcore

[chilly peak]

It's my first HC season. Was always a SC player with a few horrible HC casual chars in between. But I really enjoy it and think I will stick to HC now 🙂

Damn, the first 100 in HC - will never forget that feeling!

I always died early endgame before, because I was too greedy and usually I'm not the most skilled player. Was a good training for my concentration

[tardy mirage]

lol

[worn garden]

yessss and now I dont play hc because i'm never focused enough 🙂

[junior wren]

Here's the Javelin / Judgement CDR stacker Paladin idea from earlier https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN8dMeWQ

• no need for throwing / melee attack speed because we are on cooldown
• we stack % inc healing for spelldmg, so Holy Trail and Consecrated Ground both give strong heals, just need to stand in it
  big negative is that this build can't use unique rings and helmet, because we would lose implicit CDR from those items

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (20) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 4,014, Regen: 136.8/s
▸ Mana: 156.87, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 101 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 13 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 107% / 75% / 75% / 74% / 97% / 73% / 68%
▸ EHP: 12,598 / 12,598 / 12,598 / 25,592 / 12,598 / 12,351 / 11,774

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 803
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 78% (10,391)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Divine Essence (1/3), Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (22)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Judgement (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Throne of Ambition

[quiet hearth]

I dont play HC because why would I trust an online service with my life

[chilly peak]

The very first step to get glad in HC is, just accept what ever happens. 🤷‍♂️
Just delete and start over. It feels weird first, but it get's more and more enjoying.

And plan a bit for that. I would play most of the time in a scenario, where I know I have time to Alt+F4 if things go wrong. Also I try to find builds that give me at least a second of breathing time, if for example a lag happens. (f.e. high regen or ward per second helps here)

Lol I just found a banned term by accident, from which I had not expected that 🙂

The, I would call it immersion, is so great when you play with literally one life. It is a complete different game in some aspects 🙂

[autumn knot]

Yeah I’m pretty addicted to HC (and SAF) in any game I play now. Gives it kind of a roguelike feel where each character is a “run”. Builds have to be well thought out to cater towards proper defensive layers. It’s a fun challenge being forced to master the game and understand it better. New characters you make tend to outperform the previous and it feels rewarding being able to achieve certain milestones in HC. Also my heart races every time I go do a T4 Julra lol

[turbid dome]

[chilly peak]

Also my heart races every time I go do a T4 Julra lol
This!

And how rewarding it still feels to kill her!

[autumn knot]

I’m mentally preparing myself to lose my lv 100 character today to Aberroth

But if I somehow manage to beat him, then I’ll be able to farm him for Null Portent and Nihilis for other characters’ builds

[turbid dome]

First time fighting him?

[chilly peak]

You don't have a twich account by chance 😄

[autumn knot]

I’ve attempted him like 10+ times in SC but only beat him once on a blastrain marksman. It’s a different play style and I pretty much get 1 shot by random stuff on that character

[autumn knot]

Lmao I do have one but I’m afraid streaming it is gonna f with my FPS

[chilly peak]

I see. Understand, makes sense

[autumn knot]

Playing on lowest settings rn and when I was beacon farming, sometimes activating the beacon would freeze my screen for like 3 seconds

My rig’s decent too. Just ARPG things I guess

[chilly peak]

I mean it is Abberoth. No matter how much def you have, there's always something that can happen

[chilly peak]

Yeah, I would always pre cast some hammers there

[autumn knot]

Yeah I do the same and luckily the big void horrors usually spawn on the second wave too

[autumn knot]

Yeah, but my squishy character doesn’t allow me to learn the fight as well. It dies to random projectiles and less so dying to one shots from the big moves he does

[quiet hearth]

Stop running, stand there and die like softcore intended

I really gotta run the numbers for VK vs FG vs Pally for this ruby fang thing, figuring out the scaling is weird becaue, it's a weird build

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

VK is more dots, FG has FS and weapons, pally has healing=dmg

[turbid dome]

Vk gang

[tardy mirage]

most of those dots are just used to buff your hit dmg

[quiet hearth]

nope, the dots deal the dmg

FS bleed go brr

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

HH is so wild with this, it adds so many dots that not even the poison pen in beastmaster compares

[tardy mirage]

VK dots

[quiet hearth]

VK can get some good ignites, the issue is scaling all the dots at once

I did a rainbow pally with the frostbite spear, that was an interesting one

[gusty abyss]

Time for 70k smites? 😄

[alpine canopy]

VK's DOTs are pretty solid themselves, just not the non-spell void ailments. Like AE on its own does quite a bit of damage, and VR is really good at amping DOT damage.

[tardy mirage]

and then theres future strike which has no support sadge

[autumn knot]

I'm physically shaking lol

almost a god-tier Nihilis... sadly it's only +1 to all skills

[tardy mirage]

F teir kek

[chilly peak]

Gratz on the kill, gg!!!

[tardy mirage]

jk

ye gg

[autumn knot]

vendor trash nihilis amirite

[turbid dome]

Hey if you apply future strike with anomaly it gets like 400% pen

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

That’s it’s only support

Unironically

[gusty abyss]

Last time I tried, it did not work. Something tells me its old skill same naming different skill shenenigans

[autumn knot]

So do I farm Aberroth until I lose my lv 100 character now or..

[turbid dome]

[gusty abyss]

So HC kill? gz!

[autumn knot]

Yup

@chilly peak I clipped the last 1 minute of the fight. Aurora's popped twice during this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhzArVz5-ic

I had a couple missteps for sure

[tardy mirage]

pain

xD

[paper kiln]

gz

[tardy mirage]

just got LE lore dumped and now im hyped

[chilly peak]

Amazing, can small the fear 🙂 and yeah, the dodge was late and aurora may have saved the day.

[autumn knot]

10000%

lol

In that moment I must've blanked on the follow up of that 2-parter move

Welp

Time to go again

Got him again. This time, no aurora pop ^-^

[autumn knot]

5 Aberroth's later, I'm still alive. I think I understand the fight now lol. Gonna take a break before I give myself a heart attack

got 6 null portents, 3 nihilis

Thanks for being a part of this journey everyone lol

[turbid dome]

slap that void worshipping silly billy back into nothingness

[quiet hearth]

Engi, how could you dishonor your own void ppl like that?

[turbid dome]

I'm not a void person, I use the void like a battering ram cause that guy has a pile of loot and I want it

[quiet hearth]

Ah, I see my attempts to spread the one truth have been successful. If it has loot, we can kill it.

[turbid dome]

the ancient truth of the world, if it has stuff I want I can get that stuff with the ancient act known as tactically removing the stuff guardian

[split gulch]

Noob question: I've just discovered the interaction between missing health gained as ward gloves and Healing Hands' Divine Barrier. Seems busted. But I'm confused -- won't I just die with all this missing health? Is the idea that I have to use health leech or something to keep up health?

[tranquil nimbus]

Healing Hands ... heals you

[split gulch]

The tooltip says it no longer heals me if I take Divine Barrier

[waxen nymph]

It's missing Current Hp per second not Max hp
So at some pt it get balanced by Regen. But you will most likely have a source of Heal, Leech.

[split gulch]

oh yeah and I guess Rive heals me too

[waxen nymph]

Also Lingering Warmth (Heal over time) doesn't get change

[tardy mirage]

you cant drop below 1 health

and even if you could the lower your health gets the slower it will tick

[tardy mirage]

time to wear peak and titan lel

[worn garden]

I should do my bleed manifest armor build again, since 0.9 it has gotten a lot better

[waxen nymph]

What has changed?

[tardy mirage]

the new axes probably

[waxen nymph]

??

[cobalt blade]

Big Ouch

[tardy mirage]

woa digging lel

[tardy mirage]

it true tho ... you get so much more for mana stacking a sorc than mana stacking judgement

[cobalt blade]

This is sentinel chat, must dig even if there are 300 new messages

[tardy mirage]

xD

[cobalt blade]

But me no white beard old man playa sadly

[tardy mirage]

lol

[cobalt blade]

Whew Fenix murdered abbies in HC 👏🏻, and I havent seen abby yet, those 3 stashes of eyes are gonna sit there and rot

[autumn knot]

^-^ I'm tempted to use the rest of my harbingers eyes to try and farm for a good Nihilis for my Torment Warlock. I never really thought this through on what to do with all of my Aberroth loot

[worn garden]

access to heasling hands skill tree, this is still just as strong as I remembered, only much stronger now since can heal mananyvery well when needed now lol

we also get more attack speed from forge guard, and more dr

[tardy mirage]

owo

[worn garden]

before i'd go pally because forgeguard had bad passives, now it has better passives for this setup

[tardy mirage]

feels like nothings really changed

for minion passives at least

like you got 1 really weak shared fire dmg passive near the end of the tree but thats it

you get more minion support going pally still

cuz holy aura

[worn garden]

holy aura is not that good now

[tardy mirage]

still better than fg perks

[worn garden]

I only took holy aura ever for attack speed, but you get more without the need of another button press

[tardy mirage]

if i wasnt forced to go FG for forged weapons i wouldnt go FG for forged weapons

but ye party/ally perks for pally far better than minion stuff for fg

[worn garden]

actually it's pretty even but I like having more dr on the fg

either option is fine

atleast it's not like a mastery issue of sorc vs runemaster and such

[tardy mirage]

nah its more like sent vs any other char type of thing ... but inside sent xD

idk i just really hate how little changed about FG

the biggest change was the ring of shields passive which did like nothing if you didnt use them to begin with

[worn garden]

this is also for bleed pop setup, if it was crit then 100% go fg for +90 flat

[tardy mirage]

the one minion bleed passive kek

[worn garden]

i'm just glad this is my only build left I play that hasn't been nerfed, but still being buffed over the years

[tardy mirage]

like they said they were gonna look at it and then they didnt really add anything

oh they did buff self attack stuff

that one funny crit passive lel

add shared crit owo

[tardy mirage]

play twig and string build owo

hail of arrows

[worn garden]

never was a fan of marksmin, falconeer though is mint

[tardy mirage]

marksman weird

its like

nothing nothing hail of arrows ... random explosive trap detonating arrow

maybe its problem is its just old

[worn garden]

You got trap build too

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

also as far as i can tell

explosive trap is the only skill in the game that triggers a skill that is locked to a different mastery

[autumn knot]

Honestly such a weird skill. Marksman was my first character ever and there’s no way I would’ve known to find the blastrain build on my own. So unintuitive

[tardy mirage]

lol

[tardy mirage]

i mean its not supposed to be super out in the open

its a different masteries skill

also i did notice it right away lel

[tardy mirage]

the obvious way to use it is to buff falcon

then you branch out and see what it does with other classes xD

[autumn knot]

Yeah I started as a marksman and never would’ve looked at other classes lol

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

🤔 Every game needs a random card game added to it, how would Last Epoch's card game work?

[gusty abyss]

I play the Warrior Shrine card, I win.

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

HH needs to be a behind the line skill, swap it and judgement

[turbid dome]

Move HH behind the line, add a new Lagon themed skill

[tardy mirage]

nah

[quiet hearth]

For balance reasons absolutely it does, as a player I would be so sad to see it happen xD

[turbid dome]

if judgement gets moved before the chain does it get a void convert

[quiet hearth]

Balance? No, player sure

[junior wren]

Preeetty sure it gave 150% minion health and armor back then too. I'd say the biggest change was removal of Anvil Stance

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

rip anvil stance

[tardy mirage]

i guess ignite frost claw killed ignite fireball?

[junior wren]

I think people would see FG a bit differently if there were more build guides on LETools. If you filter for FG class, there's 4 in total, all are from before 1.0 and all are Forged Weapons minion build 😄

[tardy mirage]

moar minions owo

[alpine canopy]

Approximately 0% chance for judgment to move before the chain

[turbid dome]

give forged weapons a convert to those lil orb guys Solarium catapults yeet at you

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it has been unpopular for a long time. It got some really nice changes that help it a lot in 1.1, but it'll take time and probably some more changes before it picks up in popularity

[alpine canopy]

I support this as long as we (or MA) can throw them around

[tardy mirage]

lol

[junior wren]

you got a crab

[tardy mirage]

make it like dark quiver xD ... you can pick them up and hurl them xD

[junior wren]

rock thrower build

[alpine canopy]

I'd play it as long as it's more fun than dark quiver

[tardy mirage]

nuuuu we will make it less fun owo ... have to stand on the minion for 3 seconds to pick it up

xD

[turbid dome]

Siege Weapons:

• Converts your forged weapons to those fire orb guys visual

• When summoned they fall from the sky dealing 20% of their maximum health as fire damage to all nearby enemies (counts as a fire spell, 100 max hp = 20 base fire dmg)

• On death/expiring they explode for 50% of their maximum health as base fire damage (also counts as a fire spell) (does NOT trigger on despawn when summoning new forged weapons)

• +50% forged weapon duration

• no benefit from nodes that transform forged weapons into other weapon types

kaboom bois

[tardy mirage]

the explode already exists

[turbid dome]

moar explode

wait the current explode is based on the minions max health

[tardy mirage]

just remove the explode bit and add more to the one already there

keep the rest

matter of fact you can move the explode passive and make the seige weapon an extension of that

[turbid dome]

🤔 makes sense

[tardy mirage]

xD

[turbid dome]

then again the explosion on the current tree isn't max health based

[tardy mirage]

i did say to buff it but the tech is there

xD

[turbid dome]

true

but the balance idea with what I wrote was a strong explosion but its difficult to trigger it (more hp = more dmg, but harder to have it explode constantly, longer duration so its also harder to explode quickly)

[tardy mirage]

tru

[turbid dome]

🤔 I'm now thinking of more minion converts for forge guard

[tardy mirage]

mhm

bow forge weapons

all melee stats on your weapon converted to bow stats

[turbid dome]

forge guard can now equip bows and quivers, forged weapons require a bow to be equiped

[tardy mirage]

ye but nothing else on sentinel works with bows

[turbid dome]

call it heavy arbalist

[turbid dome]

thats the fun build challenge part

use more generic damage sources for your scaling

[tardy mirage]

better to pull a frost claw and give some melee to bow conversion

[turbid dome]

fair enough

*can now equip bows and quivers, melee stats from your passive tree apply to bows at 60% of their normal rate

or whatever % makes it balanced

[tardy mirage]

lol

[junior wren]

you can still call it forge guard, you're just a ranged guard instead of a melee guard now

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

Okay, but they definitely gotta fix phantom grip before they do something like this lol

[tardy mirage]

fix?

you mean it copying everything?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

[tardy mirage]

nuuu make it official owo

actually nah jk

altho it would be cool if they gave the ring bonus to manifest armour if it had a sword equipped

the real ring bonus

not bugged

[alpine canopy]

Health damage scaling for minions in general can very easily get busted, since attribute scaling already gives them flat health and % damage

[tardy mirage]

true oof

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, honestly wouldn't be op either since it's just added on to the 300% glove stats they already have lol

[tardy mirage]

ye id make it only apply if you also take the sword passive so it stays similar to its current intended idea xD

also another idea ... shrink the range oof

make it like 70-100 instead of 50-100

[tardy mirage]

240

60 per point xD

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I didn't want to actually look up the exact number (so total MA gets up to 340% currently)

[tardy mirage]

would get

[turbid dome]

yes

but also I don't think forge guard has a way to easily have them die or expire super fast?

[alpine canopy]

You can make their duration really short with the spec

I won't think too much about proccing sacrifice since it's pretty limited, but I guess that's technically possible, too

[turbid dome]

🤔

[quiet hearth]

Rive scrap metal node now explodes your FW on the third hit, in addition to it's other bonuses

does the bonuses to fire/light/phys dmg include dots for the paladin passive?

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[quiet hearth]

Thought so, so figure that as 80% increased on average, dont know if that beats out echoes adding a whole other set of dots

[alpine canopy]

Echoes probably way better

[quiet hearth]

I've never paid attention to how Rive echoes, is it the whole combo or just the first swing

[alpine canopy]

Each individual swing of the combo rolls echo chance for itself only

[waxen nymph]

Unless you are lvl 15 and don't have any Inc Dmg, echoes is almost always more dmg than that passive

[quiet hearth]

This is not an early lvl build idea, Im just seeing how much I can stack with one vs the other right now.

FG is surprisngly holding it's own because of all the crit multi being turned to bleed/poison pen with those gloves

You know I completely forgot about fiery dragon shoes for this triple dot thing

[alpine canopy]

VK probably gets more generic crit multi, no?

The only multi FG has is the 1 per 2 str with a 2h thing

[junior wren]

there's another passive at the bottom right, it also gives Pen per 5 STR

[alpine canopy]

Synergizes yeah

Both of those need a lot of strength to be good

[junior wren]

no, I mean the passive gives crit multi

[alpine canopy]

It's not generic crit multi

so it doesn't help with your ailments

[junior wren]

how are you converting crit multi to help ailments?

[waxen nymph]

Salt the Wound
For Bleed and Poison

[junior wren]

had to look it up, I understand now

[tardy mirage]

FG should get shared crit and crit multi passive owo

honestly i want more power to rive and warpath and like ways to actively summon your minions while also fighting alongside them instead of letting them do all the work

power in terms of FW/MA support

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, more shared stats in the passive tree would be welcome for sure

they already share a lot of your gear stats which is a good start, though they don't really share attribute scaling unfortunately

[waxen nymph]

They get %Dmg per Att

Shame it's not per Str

[turbid dome]

cause forge guard loves to stack attunement

gotta make those minions hurt

[tardy mirage]

true oof

[alpine canopy]

I guess rive can get +1 fire per att if you use a mace, and forge strike might actually scale with attunement?

[quiet hearth]

then you're using a mace and have a whole other set of issues

[alpine canopy]

similar-ish goes for HH

[tardy mirage]

attunement scales the minion ... strength scales the hit pretty sure

[alpine canopy]

aside from that, judgment is the only attunement scaling melee attack, and then you're not an FG

[tardy mirage]

to be fair judgement is the only skill that actually makes sense for kek ... cuz of that one passive that scales on eating your mana

[quiet hearth]

well, the only one in Sent at least

[tardy mirage]

i mean you do get 1% healing effectiveness per attunement if your pally ... but every skill that has healing effectiveness scales in groups of 5%

so you wont get much from it

so it really only synergizes with judgement

cuz every attunement is 1% more dmg
and every 5 attunement is 1 spell dmg

[alpine canopy]

HH gets healing effect per attunement already

[tardy mirage]

oh ye speaking of that

does that effect count as being on the tree?

for that one passive that scales dmg per 20% healing effect

on the tree

[alpine canopy]

no, attribute scaling isn't on the skill tree

[tardy mirage]

sad

[alpine canopy]

but the HH node applies to more than just the skill tree, it should work for the heal effect from attribute scaling

[tardy mirage]

that means you only get like 100-150% healing effect from the tree oof

[tardy mirage]

i mean unless the passive is lying it says from this tree

OOOOH no nvm

[alpine canopy]

I haven't tested it for HH, but judgment's flat spell per healing effect works from the heal effect per attunement it gets also

[tardy mirage]

why did they have to word it like that reeee

like just cut the last part out oof

healing effectiveness

done

oof

[alpine canopy]

it is worded oddly yeah, makes it seem like it might not work for certain things

like the attribute scaling lol

[tardy mirage]

ye oof

that first half implies everything ... but that second half is just like nvm im bipolar and all you can have is this tree

[alpine canopy]

since that's just healing effect for HH, it's not on the skill tree, and it's not your healing effect

[tardy mirage]

and so i kinda accidently just read that last bit kek

cuz it was so specific

[alpine canopy]

I assume it still works though, but I'd test it before relying on it for anything

also we do get generic attunement scaling for melee from palarus, but that's junk for synergy with forged weapons

[tardy mirage]

most uniques dont get coppied tho so what even works

[alpine canopy]

on account of... palarus just gives your forged weapons +22 melee damage (a level 20 sword implicit) and nothing else lol

[tardy mirage]

50% dmg boost kek

but why do that when you could have your 2h with like 20 flat of 2 different dmg types

100 later

[alpine canopy]

yeah, almost any other white weapon would give you better forged weapon dps, much less one with affixes on it lol

[junior wren]

+1 Melee Damage per 2 Attunement

[tardy mirage]

ye but does that get carried over?

cuz alot of uniques dont work

[alpine canopy]

Doesn't matter if that one does or not, minions don't have attunement

[tardy mirage]

and also if it did your minion would copy "1 melee dmg per 2 attunement" but not your 50 attunement

ye

would be great if it did

cough cough crows

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-lumbergh-that-would-be-great-gif-7919962

[turbid dome]

forge guard passive: Forged Fists

• while unarmed forged weapons get +1 dmg per attunement and 1% increased attack speed per dex (this applies to animated armor if you have the node that gives it a copy of your weapon)
• while unarmed you gain +1 dmg per attunement and 1% increased attack speed per dex
• forged weapons look like fists

[river raptor]

Would also be amazing if forge guards got more stuff like the rive node that removes forge weapons and buffs you 👀

[turbid dome]

rive's like one thing its mid at is summoning forged weapons

[river raptor]

I just don't like minions/pets 😂

[turbid dome]

fair enough

Siege Armor: Animated Armor Node

• Using the animated armor skill while your animated armor is alive will instead cause your animated armor to launch a giant bomb at the target location (big dmg on a cooldown)
• Adds a mounted ballistae to the back of the animated armor, like the siege golems do (visual)
• Can only ever have one Animated Armor

[minor rune]

for vk whats the fastest leveling build

i try to follow maxroll's rive, not sure whether thats fast

[turbid dome]

warpath is what I normally do

hammer throw is really good too

[minor rune]

end game is going to be the void hammers smite

but need lvl 65 to wear the aberoth weapon

[turbid dome]

either works for leveling

warpath is probably faster if you have a sweet dreamthorn to use

[split gulch]

Am I missing something or is there a whole section of the Javelin tree designed to be a main spammable attack (the lightning branch), but basically nothing else in the game to support using Javelin that way? Javelin spam works alright as a main attack in the opening acts of the game but once the game gets going there's just nothing that synergizes with it. Feels half baked

There's one lightning javelin unique, and half of the effects are just carbon copies of the things the lightning javelin tree already gives you

[minor rune]

oh yeah i got one and the boots

[turbid dome]

thats spears in general

[split gulch]

I just want one thing out of this game and it's the ability to cosplay Dragonslayer Ornstein 😩

[turbid dome]

There is a dragon slayers spear

[split gulch]

yeah the Deicide Lance is a carbon copy of his spear, now just need the skills to use it with

Just add +Lightning Damage per Attunement with a spear to Rive or Multistrike and call it a day

[junior wren]

wdym nothing that synergizes with it? There are javelin uniques, paladin has lightning passives, there are throwing idols, you can combo it with Lunge and Smite.

[turbid dome]

It has synergies but the variety of synergies is lacking compared to other weapons

[junior wren]

Weapons? He was talking about a skill right?

[turbid dome]

I count jav as inherent to spear so mentally their the same

[junior wren]

I've used javelins in different ways and I have yet to use a spear, so .. yeah

[turbid dome]

Wack

Entirely fair

But wack

[junior wren]

I mean if the idea was to use javelin as a spammable skill, there's lightning and physical variants, and I think both have synergies with other skills.
In general, you could argue that anything that isn't a spammable skill is a synergy, because it doesn't detract from your javelin spam, but instead adds something to it.

[turbid dome]

True

[junior wren]

Wish you could use void cleave with spear 😦

[turbid dome]

Real

[cobalt blade]

I only see one option

[autumn knot]

wow leveling warpath is one of the slowest things I've ever experienced in this game lol

Almost feel like it's worth playing as something else for VK then respeccing into Warpath later

or maybe having the most top notch twink gear might make the experience better

[turbid dome]

?

what kind of warpath are you trying to level with

[autumn knot]

echo warpath

damage is low, movement speed also low. just getting through the campaign takes forever

had darkstride, crab ring, code of an erased sentinel with T7 % void damage, T4 crit chance, T5 all res while channeling. Looted a 2H Axe along the way and kept upgrading Flat Void on it whenever I could

maybe I just need to slam a T6 melee void dmg on an axe and call it a day lol

[tardy mirage]

i mean there is

just dont take the things that give it a cooldown

so none of the right side more or l;ess

all of the left and bottom is free game

[alpine canopy]

Jav is also really strong with the siege barrage node, spamming a rain of spears

just awkward to use, but it gets better single target than regular throwing javs by far

[junior wren]

well yeah, it's 3 javs instead of one

[turbid dome]

Lol

[alpine canopy]

5 when you're fully invested, also the siege barrage javs deal 11% more hit damage

[waxen nymph]

Do they??

[gusty abyss]

So close to 100k smite 😮

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, jav itself is a 180% dmg eff skill, but the falling jav skill is 200% dmg eff. idk why

[waxen nymph]

👀👀

[paper kiln]

what build are u playing?

[zealous tartan]

anything cool added to the game since the harby patch?

[turbid dome]

loot lizards

[waxen nymph]

New funny shrines

[zealous tartan]

i can pick up those at the local truck stop

[quiet hearth]

<@&1161418687471956101> I uh, think we have something here

[turbid dome]

<@&1161418687471956101> halp

[quiet hearth]

[full oasis]

i wanna LP my World Splitter is anyone here who can run a T4 Sanctum with me i lost my last Key thanks to Disconect

[quiet hearth]

I thought they fixed that bug

[full oasis]

nope happened 3 minutes ago

[turbid dome]

[autumn knot]

I RoC'd the exalted item which had T5 Strength and T7 flat Health... slammed twice... and they both came out like this ;_;

any combination of crit chance, strength, or flat health would've been perfectly fine

[turbid dome]

s t u n a v o i d a n c e

[autumn knot]

best stat in game. totally worth an entire affix slot ^-^

[turbid dome]

WAHAT

GREGORY IS IN HD AND HAS A PUMPKIN

[autumn knot]

YOOOO

hype

pog leveling item lol

[turbid dome]

[keen radish]

[autumn knot]

pog leveling item? :B

[turbid dome]

holy smokes

[autumn knot]

my warpath character gonna zoom

hitting all the right slams on twink items... keep failing slams on endgame items lol

such is life

[turbid dome]

[tacit zealot]

would judgement aura's dot tick apply mad alch's ladles spell hit part?

[turbid dome]

dots are not hits

[tacit zealot]

i was unsure if the aura part itself was considered a hit to apply a dot or if its just dot and no hit (besides the initial melee hit to activate it) cinders torch it is then lol

[turbid dome]

it should just be a dot

I'd be suprised if it had a hit connected to it

[alpine canopy]

DOTs are never hits

[gusty abyss]

Smite warpath. Just farming out gear that takes a bit. Like 2 prefixes on logi's hunger, 4lp vortex/palarus, 3lp crab ring/sun seal Etc.

[alpine canopy]

if you spec into that node that makes an explosion when cons ground ends, that explosion hits and can apply on-hit stuff, but consecrated ground itself won't

[tacit zealot]

does this stack with 2 rings or is it similar to the crab ring?