🔱┃sentinel

[cobalt blade]

but you gotta release within 1 sec for momentum no?

after initial 2s

[alpine canopy]

No

The 1s is how long you have to use VC after releasing (though actually it's 2s if the buff icon isn't lying)

[cobalt blade]

ahh got it

i mixed up the interaction

[turbid dome]

alright nemysus time

[cobalt blade]

thats alot of "pimples"

yea VC momentum and warslash seem fun

[alpine canopy]

That's a number of staves that is greater than 2

[turbid dome]

thanks to the power of captialism and people listing them for like nothing

[alpine canopy]

[cobalt blade]

you can build staves cage around you

like ring of shields

[bleak wren]

anybody tried to build a "ranged" forge strike ? with the Eagle Strike node

[junior wren]

I mean, it's still forge strike, right? 😄

you still need another skill, for damage if FS is on cooldown, or for mana replenishment, if you're spamming FS.
If your goal is fighting at a distance, you'd have to pair it with another ranged skill like Javelin or Smite, so that means splitting your damage between melee+throwing or melee+spell

[waxen nymph]

Someone did it a while ago with Javelin as a bleed build

She was saying it was doing quite alright

She had reached 1k corruption but from the old system (in 0.9)

So it should be performing quite alright nowadays at 500-700 probably

[bleak wren]

yeah looking at the skill cd , i will need to take the no cooldown node

or find a way to sustain the mana cost

[waxen nymph]

👀

[junior wren]

for no cooldown, smite is probably your only option for mana sustain

[bleak wren]

might feel weird having to alternate javelin / forge strike all the time

[bleak wren]

y was thinking about smite

or maybe a melee generator like multistrike / vengeance

so thats i only need to stack melee attack speed

and it doesnt need to hit something to generate mana

[waxen nymph]

It's a 2 buttons build

Javelin also gives 60% More Dmg to FG

[junior wren]

yeah but then it's kinda pointless to invest 5 points into eagle strike

[junior wren]

that would mean your dps goes close to zero whenever you run out of mana 🤔

[bleak wren]

yeah that's the problem

[junior wren]

perry the pig recently showcased two melee FS builds using Rive and Vengeance as mana generator

[bleak wren]

could be used to do a oneshot ranged FS build ? 🤔

i was thinking about spamming FS at range but seems like it's not really sustainable

[junior wren]

it is sustainable at range with smite

[bleak wren]

need to see how it feels ingame

iirc smite doesnt have good cast rate without cast speed affixes

[junior wren]

sentinel has passive with 30% attack and cast speed, add the buff from Smite passive that adds 20% attack and cast speed, frenzy another 20% attack and cast speed, 70% cast speed without any cast speed items sounds good

[waxen nymph]

How do you get Frenzy?

[bleak wren]

was about to ask that

[junior wren]

nihilis or experimental boots affix

[bleak wren]

evade doesnt count as traversal right ?

[waxen nymph]

No

[junior wren]

nope

[waxen nymph]

Meh

[bleak wren]

nihilis why not

but the experimental boots is meh

[junior wren]

I guess there's also sword catcher, but you need to parry a hit and win the lottery 😄

[bleak wren]

no easy frenzy for sentinel

[junior wren]

curious, why is experimental frenzy meh?

[bleak wren]

it's 2,5 seconds of frenzy at T5 after using a traversal

[waxen nymph]

Cause you need a traversal imo
And we don't have Shift

[bleak wren]

and most traversal are on a 6 second cd

[junior wren]

Lunge is 4 seconds

[bleak wren]

y but need a target

[junior wren]

void cleave also 4s

[waxen nymph]

And now you are locked into a 2h sword/axe and it cost a skill slot

I agree with Trydaan (maybe I am wrong) but expe Frenzy doesn't feel good in Sentinel

[bleak wren]

maybe with shield rush when it doesnt have a cd

but then its not really a traversal since you got back to the original position

[junior wren]

I'm sure you will find more important skill slot uses for a forge strike / smite hybrid.

😉

for the rest, lets see..

• sword/axe is a requirement for the blademaster passive, so that fits the bill
• using 2handed for a forge strike build doesn't sound like a problem
• not sure why traversals on 6s cooldown are a problem in the first place since Valiant Charge passive exists
• also not sure why Lunge targeting enemies is a problem. The idea is to proc Frenzy before we start attacking something, so it also fits the bill. If you were using traversal in a different way, (ie. avoiding boss skills), then I'd think you won't be using it on cooldown to proc a Frenzy buff

[bleak wren]

i need to look in a planner how much cdr i can get for a traversal

mainly for reducing the "no frenzy" time

the traversal isnt a problem in itself, it more about the low duration of frenzy on the experimental affix

and i agree with the last point too, i can use lunge to proc frenzy and i still have evade to avoid dangerous skills

[junior wren]

rings 2x10%, belt t5 20%, boots t5 20%, Valiant Charge 30%, we're up to 90% CDR

Shield Rush could work too, but it has higher mana cost (22-50)

Lunge and VC on the other hand also have their own CDR passives, and also charges

[cobalt blade]

ooo but that DW dmg is abit low

[waxen nymph]

Wicked!!

[gusty abyss]

Now to get an idol to slam into it 😄

[cobalt blade]

Vladdddddd

idol slamming

[gusty abyss]

lol, relic

(:

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

i legit thought you meant a good rolled throwing-proc-smite idol

Engiiiiiiiii

[gusty abyss]

Imagine that, throne of ambition with 2lp, slamming a smite idol on there

[turbid dome]

wiiiiicccccckkkkkkkeeeeeddddddd

I neeeeed moooorreee

[cobalt blade]

healthy void wizard!

[waxen nymph]

Can't wait to slam 2'idols and not get any of the affixes I want

[turbid dome]

you gotta put two idols in for 1 slam

[waxen nymph]

We need Idols fusion (take a Prefix from one and a suffix from the other)
And also Idols "absorption" so you merge 2 of the same affixes to get a higher roll

[tardy mirage]

owo

[turbid dome]

yay idol absorption means more consistent inspriation buff for vk wizard

[waxen nymph]

Ofc that's spread over a 3 dungeons chain. And you can only do one of the 2 and one time

And there is a 33% chance to destroy all the components

[gusty abyss]

still powerfull

[turbid dome]

anything for more vitality

[gusty abyss]

plenty of high rolled smite idols, plenty of high rolled life idols.

[quiet hearth]

who tagged me? I have an alert but no tagged post

[cobalt blade]

probably my reply many many hours ago

whoops

[plush gorge]

Hello, does anyone know if attack speed helps warpath apply more ailment stacks or is it a set ammount?

[cobalt blade]

atk spd do help warpath apply more ailment stack

[plush gorge]

thank you thank you 🤝

[waxen nymph]

Increased Attack Speed applies at twice the Value for Warpath

[plush gorge]

damn 2x value aight

[quiet hearth]

WP go brrr

However even with that, you cant out pace a fast melee attack proccing HH

I honestly think HH needs to be pally exclusive, move sigils to it's place and then put judgement in the place sigils used to be

[turbid dome]

Plz no that’s my wizard vk movement skill

[quiet hearth]

Use VC or lunge you dirty voidling

[turbid dome]

I can’t use VC

and ew lunge

[quiet hearth]

problem solved

Lunge is great I have zero idea why people hate it so much

[turbid dome]

I don’t want to wear paranoia

[quiet hearth]

Then dont?

[turbid dome]

Then I can’t use lunge to go through attacks

During boss fights

[quiet hearth]

You 100% can

[turbid dome]

If the boss so happens to be on the other side of the attack, yes

[quiet hearth]

It's called getting good

[turbid dome]

Congrats I still need a target on the other side of the attack

[quiet hearth]

No, you can just target the boss, the invuln doesnt care where you are

[turbid dome]

Again, for the attacks where targeting the boss works it works (like I said)

[quiet hearth]

As long as you are in the animation, it doesnt matter if you hit them or not

[turbid dome]

Yes

I know that

[quiet hearth]

Then where is the issue Engi?

[turbid dome]

I’ll use elder gasper as an example, I want to dodge through his rotating tri beam so I can keep hitting him during that attack

I lunge to him I’m gonna take damage right after lunge ends

[quiet hearth]

Or just..move, you still have legs

or whatever the void equivalent is

[turbid dome]

If my build has 200% move speed then sure I can lunge in and then back off before I get smacked

[quiet hearth]

You dont need that much ms to just, move left or right, it was easy before and it's super easy now with the dodge button.

But I generally dont use traversals, I use lunge because I can refill my entire hp orb in a single stab

[turbid dome]

For this example I’m not talking about running around in a circle to avoid the lasers all together, I’m talking about staying in one spot and dodging through the beams so I can stand there and keep dps-ing the boss

[quiet hearth]

It's such a small window the dps 'loss' is barely noticeable in anything I've played.

[turbid dome]

Yes I understand it’s easy to out run the beams

[quiet hearth]

The only thing that Ive found that lunge isnt great for is dragon corpse and it's world wide aoe

[turbid dome]

Just use your legs

But yes HH dash there helps

Or VC dash

[quiet hearth]

I do most of the time, that and the roll, it's still too big

So Ive resorted to perfectly timing my lunge or running like a coward depending on the build

[turbid dome]

Shrimply don’t play melee

Or honestly bring base rebuke

[quiet hearth]

I live and die like a man (only because we have gender locked classes in 2024)

I always bring rebuke, it's too good, and even then. I just want like a 10% reduction in aoe for it honestly, just enough you don't need 50% MS to get away from it in time.

[turbid dome]

Side though: make it a first pop with a ring around corpse dude that then expands to get bigger

So melee has an easier time not exploding to it

[quiet hearth]

Right, like it grows to that size would work too

But EHG is like 0/4 against getting that freaking dragon to work right xD

[turbid dome]

Man I’m just happy the AOE indicator is mostly correct

[quiet hearth]

ikr

Just so we're clear EHG, I love you and your game, it's wonderful, but sometimes you guys make me wonder

[turbid dome]

New rebuke node

-you count as channeling rebuke while evading

-can only have 1 evade charge

[quiet hearth]

Remember when you could push emp and the circle would still stay in the same spot

[turbid dome]

I remember

[quiet hearth]

now THAT was a bad time to play melee

[turbid dome]

Old Lagon fight

[quiet hearth]

I never had issues really, sure he hit hard but it wasnt that bad

[turbid dome]

I had a lot of times were melee skills just wouldn’t connect

But def not as bad as emp

[quiet hearth]

I didnt have that many times that occured thankfully, just with WP, which I feel could be a WP issue because the base aoe is tiny

I hate lagon more now than ever, less dmg but fml the stuns

[turbid dome]

Captains ring 👍

[quiet hearth]

Proper stun thresholds would be better

[turbid dome]

Void knight armor 👍

That one node in base sentinel 👍

[quiet hearth]

I used to like the sound that played when stun, now I need to learn how to remove it from the game files

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

glass trashcan knockover.mp4

[turbid dome]

Nah

[alpine canopy]

Just don't get stunned

[turbid dome]

metal_pipe_landing.mp3

[cobalt blade]

^ that will have more echo-ish sound follow up

[turbid dome]

It gets louder each time your stunned within 10 seconds

[quiet hearth]

who hurt you?

[cobalt blade]

I dont get it :O. I say that cuz metal's gonna echo 😆

[quiet hearth]

a sound that gets louder and louder each time? that would suck xD

[turbid dome]

Just don’t get stunned

Ez

[quiet hearth]

[tardy mirage]

get the gloves xD

[turbid dome]

Illegal

[quiet hearth]

gloves?

[tardy mirage]

ye theres a pair of gloves that removes needing a target to use lunge (isnt it on the tree too?)

was kinda joking tho

[quiet hearth]

it's a helm

[tardy mirage]

oh fudge nvm

gg

[quiet hearth]

I was so confused I started looking for an item like when did I miss this

[tardy mirage]

ye i just knew it was an item lel ... thought it was a glove or boot tho

[cobalt blade]

literal paranoai?

[tardy mirage]

cuz that would fit with a lunge owo

[turbid dome]

Void stuff affects the mind -> paranoia goes on your head, ez

[cobalt blade]

dont let Engi get into your head! use Rebuke

[turbid dome]

Tho I guess technically it doesn’t actually remove the can only lunge to enemies, it makes sentinel think there’s enemies everywhere

Still sane, traveler?

[tardy mirage]

speaking of rebuke buff ... allow rebuke to use riposte and use venganece tree xD

[turbid dome]

Hmmm

[tardy mirage]

retaliation build

xD

[turbid dome]

Can’t be worse than rebukes current offensive stuff

[quiet hearth]

the base sent retaliation node is actaully pretty good

[tardy mirage]

ye but like

no tree to do fancy stuff with owo

[quiet hearth]

It's great for trash

[turbid dome]

Add an iron blades number of nodes to rebuke that buff retaliation

[tardy mirage]

actually maybe thats the answer

instead of giving it to rebuke give it to retribution

like how divine bolt is scaled by healing hands sort of

[turbid dome]

Give me a node that says all your future strikes are considered to be from anomaly

[tardy mirage]

yes but you get a penalty owo

[turbid dome]

Bro what penalty can you even add to future strike

It has 3 nodes

[quiet hearth]

less dmg

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[quiet hearth]

I didnt say it was a good one

[turbid dome]

How much less dmg

[tardy mirage]

95% owo

[quiet hearth]

that's just rude

It really doesn't need anything as a downside as hard as it is to scale

[tardy mirage]

thats not rude thats dissentigrate xD

[turbid dome]

to be fair 95% less dmg is still ok-ish

given anomaly gives its future strikes 400% pen

[quiet hearth]

Engi out here scratching orobyss to death

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[turbid dome]

small price to pay for 400% pen

[tardy mirage]

putting wearbear to shame with those scratches

[quiet hearth]

The void personified taken down by some absolute madlad void corrupted knight with a spoon

[tardy mirage]

if he dont got a pot on his head you probably fine xD

[turbid dome]

that youtube video about a horribly slow murder by someone getting smacked by a spoon for 10 years

[waxen nymph]

Overall it's dividing Future Strike Dmg by 4 (if I am correct)

60x (1+400)x(1-95%)
60x 5 x 0.05

[turbid dome]

darn

[waxen nymph]

I pray we get some Future Strike support in 1.2

[turbid dome]

I wana use a void dot that doesn't have a stack cap

[quiet hearth]

honestly removing it would solve a lot

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[turbid dome]

whats it in that sentence

[waxen nymph]

Either it gets more love, or it need to go away

[turbid dome]

ah

fair

[quiet hearth]

maybe I should do a ward sent

just get LE out of my system before next month, because I got two games I wanna play that release

[turbid dome]

poe2?

[quiet hearth]

that and luma land

[turbid dome]

luma land?

[tardy mirage]

lol not allowed

[quiet hearth]

harvest moon, stardew valley kinda thing

[tardy mirage]

commit to LE for lyfe

[quiet hearth]

I have over 1k hours, Ive given my due

[tardy mirage]

dang not 1k yet

905 so far

[turbid dome]

ah

[quiet hearth]

The demo did me dirty, ended after 5 in game days without warning I was so mad after base building

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

But it was so good I GOTTA play the full version

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

round 2 nemisus

[tardy mirage]

op

[turbid dome]

I have like 7 more for nemisus

[tardy mirage]

lets see how good it rolls

[quiet hearth]

I wonder how much bleed I can inflict on myself with that one paladin node

[alpine canopy]

Just by yourself, 0

[turbid dome]

this can def be a lot worse

[quiet hearth]

definitely

[tardy mirage]

lol

[autumn knot]

@chilly peak just realized I can swap my blessing of flat armor to % endurance

I only miss out on like 3% armor (going from 70% to 67%) but then my endurance is permanently capped now. big eHP difference.
6218 armor (70%) --> 5606 armor (67%) but endurance gets me like 600 extra EHP across the board

if I ever get some endurance stats I'll switch the blessing back

[turbid dome]

the abyssal anchor relic is solid for capping your endurance %

*Anchor of Oblivion

[quiet hearth]

what are the numbers on that explosion?

[quiet hearth]

cant crit XD

[turbid dome]

yeah

but also 500% added dmg effectiveness and +2 dmg per vitality

[quiet hearth]

why? it's on a 4s cd, you cant abuse it

[turbid dome]

cause 500 base damage that can crit would be a lil silly without it being tied to a skill spec

tho sadly you can't turn it into gain haste instead of self slowing with this thing

[quiet hearth]

it's on a 4s CD that needs you to get your buttox literally handed to you to go off

[turbid dome]

if it could crit there wouldn't be anything left standing after the first trigger

but also given void knight has the best ability to scale it, hitting a crit on it would basically instantly regen hp to full from leech

and combo-ed with anchor caps your endurance % to give a large one shot protection to your build

[quiet hearth]

That is kinda the point for something that is meant to kill things when you get low, also, they could easily fix that by having a debuff that slows leech

[turbid dome]

fair point on the leech

[quiet hearth]

Thats the only way that I've ever been able to think to keep any leech and make it 'fair', put in a rare mod that messes with it on some mobs

[turbid dome]

see that whats POE does with map mods and rare mob modifiers

and its more feels bad than anything else

leech is a vaguely balanced version of direct life steal but its still too busted in general

the main ways I've seen to weaken leech is to make enemies that you can't hit sometimes, have some rare enemies be leech immune, or just reduce the power of leech in an area

all of these are done in POE and all are feels bad given their all basically a "no your build just can't fight this thing" sign

not from engaging or difficult gameplay but just a "haha I'm immune to that thing"

is there a formula change solution? idk, imo any heal that is based on the damage you do its going to scale stupidly well in an arpg

[quiet hearth]

They feel bad because they entirely brick you, instead of slowing you down. Grim Dawn does a good job of this, where finding one is definitely going to slow your roll but doesnt entirely disable you.

Im not saying immunity, just less leech rate or something, it should never be game breaking but it would make you pay attention for a few moments when it happens.

I should rive with the eclipse hammer

[turbid dome]

I know poe is a completely different beast, but even when its like 40% less healing from leech its still feels bad

[quiet hearth]

That's the only way you're gonna balance it unless you make healing just not worth taking, or give pots

[turbid dome]

if each enemy faction got an anti healing enemy that was very distinict and noticable I'd enjoy fighting that

[quiet hearth]

Oh yeah, any effect should be very obvious, maybe the affix would make them glow a very specific color or something

[turbid dome]

like the Malacite enemies in ror2

[quiet hearth]

I hate what the expansion did to that game

[turbid dome]

storm or v o i d

[quiet hearth]

storm

[turbid dome]

fair

[quiet hearth]

I dont get sending things out of house like that and not keeping tabs on it

[turbid dome]

I was hyped for it -> saw someone say they had two seperate time clocks in the code

have not grabbed it yet

[quiet hearth]

It was hilariously broken on release, I think they got that fixed though

[turbid dome]

yea

[tardy mirage]

gross

[quiet hearth]

it's really not

people just are too used to being overpowered

[turbid dome]

leech now restores ward instead of health

[quiet hearth]

more ward for sent would be nice

[turbid dome]

huh

w h a t

I love them

[quiet hearth]

it's great

Knew you would the first time I saw them

[turbid dome]

lol

also round 3 with an omni in nemi time

[turbid dome]

):

[quiet hearth]

I mean, shock is a more dmg multi

Oh wait nvm, Im dumb

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

listen, been a long day

[turbid dome]

all good

[quiet hearth]

I mean, technically it is, just not the way you want it to be

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

Yeah... I wonder how it would be if it was flat values instead of % based

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if I can get enough mana regen to outpace using flame reave

[waxen nymph]

Where is your Ocearon

[quiet hearth]

...I just had a thought

[turbid dome]

in a can of void energy drink

[quiet hearth]

What would that even taste like?

[waxen nymph]

Despair

And Nothingness

[quiet hearth]

Ah, so like capitalism

[quiet hearth]

I personally think it would be that terrible purple 'grape' flavor medicines have and wtf blue raspberry is supposed to be.

[turbid dome]

here ya go

[humble wraith]

Shadow Beacon > World Splitter

[tardy mirage]

hmmm

355% crit chance to cap the 3rd hit of rive? am i wrong?

11 x 4.55 is a little over 50 ... then 2x on 3rd hit

midroll peak + anomaly

[cobalt blade]

a can of Engi can contain Toast, i see

[cobalt blade]

my to egg list

[turbid dome]

needs more omni

[turbid dome]

🤔

[quiet hearth]

I once again need to ask who let engi have posting privilege

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

cant contain the void itself

[cobalt blade]

oof it is so well-rolled

tenks nemysus

[chilly peak]

Noice!

[buoyant wyvern]

just curious getting back into LE do yous think Paladin or Voidnight warpath would be stronger? kinda just want to spin2win

[cobalt blade]

There are many variants. First of all, Hit or DoT build?

[buoyant wyvern]

Probs hit

[cobalt blade]

void echo warpath is the standard go-to for HIT. I personally play Warrior's Fury variant

[frigid wren]

I've seen a wp vk do abberoth, I think it's better for raw dmg. With pala you can go Smite wp tho which is pretty cool.

[cobalt blade]

pally can also play with the fire warpath variant too, pally have more fire support

holy aura from pally is essentially free stat boost

[chilly peak]

And those can clear Abby too ^^

[prisma pier]

Got a build planner for that?

[cobalt blade]

Sorry, dont have one. I didn't play with fire variant

[prisma pier]

No worries, will search for one when at home

[cobalt blade]

I remember there are alot of uniques that support fire when I was researching for a bleed warpath alt

and pally have alot of fire node passives

[chilly peak]

If you are fine with the planer alone you can have a look at the first pally in 1.1 in 1player arena, that is a Warpath fire Smite

Tho not sure if I wear farming or arena equip, or even a wild mix ^^

[prisma pier]

I’ll check it out

How much corr were you comfortably farming at? And is it cof or mg geared? ( not at pc atm, at work )

[chilly peak]

CoF. Actually not sure about corr, the 'sudden' reset crashed my original 1.1 plans and I had not time to push the char to the limits. It was either 1k or 1,2k that I ran actually with that Pally.
But I'm sure that I never hit the ceiling.

Thinking about it, I think it was the Hammerdin on 1k, so it must have been 1,2k with warpath.
Had two and a half mains in 1.1 ^^

[tardy mirage]

now get the LP cooking xD

[prisma pier]

I’ll try it out, been juggeling between a few characters ever since I started with LE. Always some spin2win build I can chill out with, but it havent been top-tier and abit slow on the bosskill

[chilly peak]

Yeah, the direct hit version is awesome in farming and only ok'ish in bossing.

[turbid dome]

always fun trying to time the warpath echo right ontop of the boss

wait do the echos inherit the warrior's fury (or whatever its called node)

the one that makes it do a lot more damage + aoe but stupidly jacks up the cost the longer you spin

[alpine canopy]

no idea, but if it works like warslash does, it probably ramps up from 0 to 2 seconds bonuses over the echo's existence

and then you run out of mana

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

Yes but the echo start from 0 duration

Not your current duration

[tardy mirage]

how do you max flamedrinker effect on rive

[turbid dome]

Darn

[waxen nymph]

You need to consume 20 stack of Ignites

So either get Ignite Chance somewhere, a Bardiche + Maehlin

[turbid dome]

It’s also just ignites you inflict so no silly forge weapons

[waxen nymph]

Really?

[tardy mirage]

ye but getting 20 stacks with 2 hits so you can consume them on the 3rd?

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah it says "you inflicted"

[turbid dome]

I believe flame drinker says only ignites you inflict

Yeah

Good for co-op

Can’t troll an ignite build

[tardy mirage]

yep the skill litterally says it doesnt work with minion/ally ignites if you press alt xD

[waxen nymph]

It lasts for a bit so you can do 3/3/consume repeat

[tardy mirage]

ic

[waxen nymph]

With enough AS and Echoes

It's pretty easy

[tardy mirage]

thought it all had to be done in 1 set of 3 hits

lol

[turbid dome]

You could inflict a bunch of ignites with a different skill then flamedrinker

[tardy mirage]

true

[alpine canopy]

No, each ignite gives you an individual stack

[tardy mirage]

ic ic

ye

[alpine canopy]

also, I think any ignites applied by the third strike should be applied after the consume? which would then be available to be consumed on the next one

but not sure on that, been a while since I tried it lol

[turbid dome]

no idea

easy test tho, have 100% ignite chance for each hit -> hit a dummy 3 times -> look at flamedrinker stacks

[humble wraith]

F this s, I'll make a eletrifying javelin paladin!

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

electrify is fun, also looks cool

[tardy mirage]

too bad it ehg hates it sadge

[alpine canopy]

they don't hate it, it's pretty new but still has gotten quite a bit of support since it became a thing

[tardy mirage]

the only global source of electrify chance is the passive that gives it when javelin is on cooldown ... and i think one unique smite sword

other than that it comes entirely from skills specifically designed for it

[alpine canopy]

yeah, basically you only have a few skill options

smite, jav, HH, and multi

[tardy mirage]

ye oof

where my electrify flame reave owo

[alpine canopy]

heh well electrify is for whatever reason tied to "holy lightning" not regular lightning

[tardy mirage]

lol

[alpine canopy]

so probably won't see much use outside sentinel unless they make a non-holy version of it

[tardy mirage]

true oof

electrify damned and frostbite

frostbite has sooo much support tho its basically in the same place as bleed/ignite/poison lel

[alpine canopy]

kinda, it's in a weird niche like it has mandatory boots that then also dictate a lot of your building and skill/class options

[tardy mirage]

true still mostly class locked

wonder why those 3 are like that when ignite poison and bleed can be for everyone

[alpine canopy]

thematics, I guess

[tardy mirage]

also why void has no infinite stacking ailment lel

[alpine canopy]

not all classes support all of those either

[alpine canopy]

well, there's future strike.... lol

[tardy mirage]

eeeeeeeeeh i mean i guess

ill accept it

lel

[alpine canopy]

maybe it'll become better in the future, would be thematic

[tardy mirage]

TRUUUUUE

is there any way to get it right now other than the one void knight passive?

[alpine canopy]

just anomaly and that one sentinel relic base

[tardy mirage]

oh ye anomaly ... with its 400% pen

xD

[alpine canopy]

and super long cooldown 😔

[tardy mirage]

tie it to the time bubble lowkey and then have it apply to all future strike sources xD

probably wont happen tho

its just one of those abandoned secondary debuffs

[alpine canopy]

yeah, for now at least

[tardy mirage]

ye

oh actually

another skill that would fit for it ... void cleave

xD

too bad tho

[turbid dome]

Gimmie something to convert time rot chance to future strike chance

Ez

[tardy mirage]

time rot to future strike while anomaly is on cd

like javelin has electrify/ignite chance

[alpine canopy]

random related thing, might be interesting if time rot could be scaled with spell damage

[tardy mirage]

sure

soon as aura of decay gets spell tag owo

[alpine canopy]

if they gave it a spell DOT aura that would be nice

[tardy mirage]

waiting for main dps AoD xD

[quiet hearth]

hae you heard of future strike?

[tardy mirage]

yes rn owo

[quiet hearth]

I would love for AoD to be able to be a main dps skill, but good luck on that, we cant even get full conversions on half our stuff

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

I get wanting to avoid passive gameplay to a degree but umm, certain builds are one shotting screens, lemme have my poison pools plz

[turbid dome]

Illegal

[alpine canopy]

someday™️

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

i mean to be fair even RF in poe isnt really passive

you still use fire trap during bosses and rares

and in LE our fire trap is probably spirit plague i would think

since it gives big DoT and poison dmg buffs

[alpine canopy]

yeah, and there are fully passive builds viable currently in LE

most just aren't popular atm

[waxen nymph]

Judgement Aura?

[tardy mirage]

most of them dont really push very far tho

[alpine canopy]

Certain minion builds and warpath are the viable ones I can think of atm

[tardy mirage]

minions crumble like paper sometimes

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, afk kinda builds generally can't do that since pushing far means playing very carefully

[tardy mirage]

warpath i think you just outsustain everything until they die

xD

warpath is the true RF of LE

[alpine canopy]

pretty much, you can clear echoes without even pressing a single button that way if you want lol

not even click to move

[tardy mirage]

3 year run times owo

[quiet hearth]

Not counting minion builds, what are they?

[alpine canopy]

mainly warpath then if you exclude minions, maybe there are others that are viable or semi-viable if you invest or really want to make them work like ghostflame or some shaman or VK autobomber build

[quiet hearth]

So WP, ghostflame, and maybe autobomber if it still even works, so no, we really dont have options

[alpine canopy]

Well, we have options, whether you like them or not is up to you

[quiet hearth]

I didnt say anything about liking, no we dont really have options, there is no real diversity in that playstyle in the game right now.

[alpine canopy]

That's your opinion, I know we've had this discussion before and it led nowhere, so we can agree to disagree

[quiet hearth]

[tardy mirage]

lol

[misty parcel]

Does anyone have a pure DoT build for Void Knight that they've managed to make work? It doesn't have to be giga high corruption oriented more so for fun

[waxen nymph]

Warpath Bleed with Vortex Pennant

[misty parcel]

I'm guessing it wouldn't work with time rot or Abyssal echoes being casted?

[lilac sparrow]

Is warpath better as dot for fire build?

[tardy mirage]

dot for fire?

its usually just a trigger for smite/flame burst which are spells so the warpath does no dmg

or hit based cuz echos

[quiet hearth]

you can do fire dot, perfect servicable

[alpine canopy]

Kinda yes, you end up doing some hit damage coincidentally, but I did one focusing on rav aura and abyssal echoes a little while ago

[quiet hearth]

Ruby Fang set Rive

[tardy mirage]

not saying it doesnt exist ... just meant those are the main 2 ways ive seen ... other than using it as a vehicle for forge weapons lel

[quiet hearth]

I wasnt saying it either?

[tardy mirage]

ye sorry

lol

[lilac sparrow]

Where do I get my sustain

[lilac sparrow]

Is it possible to dual wield as void knight?

[cobalt blade]

Sentinel base tree allows you to wield sword and i think thats the only option

[tardy mirage]

you make your warpath cost 0

or well

you make it lower than your regen

which is basically the same as what used to be 0 ... -10 mana

[tardy mirage]

only sword? primalist get sword and axe owo

[cobalt blade]

yea its sadge.. not sure if EHG is gonna do anything about it in incoming Sentinel changes

[tardy mirage]

why only specific weapons at all sadge

[warped night]

imo sent should get axe or mace in offhand as well

[turbid dome]

We could use the axe shield twice in that case

Op

[lilac sparrow]

You cannot dual wield immediately on sentinel it feels cringe using a damnable shield

[quiet hearth]

give me maces in the off hand

You cant dw on any class immediately so that's kind of moot

[tardy mirage]

least your not spellblade

cant dual wield till the middle of the mastery tree xD

[alpine canopy]

Acolyte crying rn

[quiet hearth]

Umm, base mage gets DW with 10 pts, sent gets his with 20 so

I want more melee options for Acolyte so bad

[alpine canopy]

No, base mage can't DW. You need to be spellblade mastery with 25 points in spellblade

[tardy mirage]

base mage doesnt get it unless you go spell blade

and its past the chain

[quiet hearth]

I was looking at the wrong freaking thing, dont mind me, I havent slept yet

[tardy mirage]

rip no dual wield even tho lich sometimes looks like it

[alpine canopy]

Give lich offhand axe or dagger option past its chain

[tardy mirage]

sceptre and mace to make it different

[quiet hearth]

I think it should just be something you do, and sceptre and mace belong in sent imo

[tardy mirage]

true

[alpine canopy]

maybe offhand dagger is op for a spell class though

[tardy mirage]

wands for sure

so wands and something else

[alpine canopy]

I don't think wands/sceptres/maces will ever be allowed as offhands

[tardy mirage]

f

weak

[quiet hearth]

listen, we gotta get maces usable as main hands first, slow your roll

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[alpine canopy]

too true

[tardy mirage]

first we gotta make people remember they exist

maces for stun stuff? idk thats what poe did

[quiet hearth]

like it seems like they want maces to be just the big silly number things, but then they give them things like 5% more dmg that costs you 5 pts

Stun is so easy to get though

[tardy mirage]

make it harder unless shield bash or mace

[quiet hearth]

maybe give maces just flat adaptive pen

[tardy mirage]

i mean alot of stun locking right now feels weird xD

like hammer throw owo

[quiet hearth]

hammer throw could use the javalin treatment, where 1h maces apply some dmg to them

[tardy mirage]

honestly peak

[tardy mirage]

to be fair one mace is actually good on hammer throw owo

2 even

cuz both of them give increased phys

xD

as a base

the hammer and something else later

[quiet hearth]

Hammer of lorent now applies it's bonus dmg to hammer throw

[tardy mirage]

default stun should be less common but investing into any stun source should be alot stronger lel

[quiet hearth]

I would like to see that, it would make the stun stuff in FG a LOT better

[tardy mirage]

lol

[tardy mirage]

true hammer throw not getting more stats from hammers owo

[quiet hearth]

I mean stun is really good defensively, but same as frailty, the nodes are weak because it's super east to get those stats as suffixes. though that is also because suffixes are kinda meh on weapons right now.

[tardy mirage]

why stun when you could double suffix slow and chill

[quiet hearth]

because stun means they dont move at all

it's effectively as good as freeze if you have enough chance to stun

cant move cant hurt you and what not

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

also, where are my 1h sickles for Acolyte EHG?

[tardy mirage]

1h spear

[quiet hearth]

Functionally yes, but we're talking fashion here, far more important

[tardy mirage]

lol

reaper form clones your 1h weapon while active and disables your catalyst owo

[quiet hearth]

I wish reaper form just worked like Exsanguinous

[tardy mirage]

nah cuz death seal

[quiet hearth]

death seal needs to go as a skill, they literally cant balance around it lol

[alpine canopy]

There's the sickle base type, but I'm guessing you want a cosmetic

transmog hopefully will help whenever we get that if they don't add some skins before that

[tardy mirage]

burn

[quiet hearth]

I mean, mechanically it's very problematic, I'd rather them axe the skill and be able to rework something to make lich on par than fight the skill is all.

[tardy mirage]

not the best or funnest skill in the game but reeeeeeeee nu delete

[quiet hearth]

Listen, they already robbed lich for it's pocket money (soul feast) and gave it to the new kid (warlock)

[tardy mirage]

it fits the low life identity that lich was going for

[tardy mirage]

true

why couldnt lich or rogue get poison overload

owo

[quiet hearth]

I mean technically lich can

[tardy mirage]

lol true but still

aura of decay tho uwu

[quiet hearth]

But its from an older time and needs an update, and they've said that. We still got a long road ahead

You want a fun time? take the armor shred node xD

[tardy mirage]

lol

lowkey death seal should be the skill you get the second you get lich xD

fits it alot better than reaper form owo

unless they change lich entire identity death seal is exactly as it should be designed owo

[alpine canopy]

Nah, reaper form has to be it imo, it's too perfect thematically. I'd rather they totally overhaul death seal so it's not a required skill with insane damage multipliers.

[tardy mirage]

nah death seal is litterally an extention of the mastery bonus lel

like they do the same thing xD

but extra

alot of life manip

[turbid dome]

Mmm yes let me removal all my own ward for temporary bonuses

On a class that’s passives heavily encourage low life ward

[quiet hearth]

grim ward gaming

[turbid dome]

If only you could get fissure and death seal at the same time

More dmg from uncapped necrotic res goes brrr

[tardy mirage]

its encouraging enedurance not ward

[alpine canopy]

Theme is almost all that matters, and lich is about cheating death - they could easily rename reaper form to "lich form" and it would fit (but they probably didn't do that to avoid confusion)

[tardy mirage]

lel

[turbid dome]

Give lich more forms

[tardy mirage]

its the low life ... life build xD

[turbid dome]

Or use the like 50 int lich tree gives for low life ward build

And said int nodes also reduce your passive hp regen so low life ward items are even better

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I like that death seal open the ability to go low life without ward, but it needs to be maintainable or something

[tardy mirage]

true

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[alpine canopy]

it's just not fun to use atm, at least not for me lol

[turbid dome]

If you could make it like a toggle esc thing like decay aura sure

[tardy mirage]

make it like holy aura owo

[turbid dome]

A low life no ward build would be cool

Death seal (and honestly a lot of things) have a high cost to use and build around but the pay off isn’t there

[quiet hearth]

I can feel the memes rising

[alpine canopy]

also we can't even put death seal on numlock 😂

[quiet hearth]

Numlock is a thing that needs to be removed

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

imagine if detonating arrow wasnt locked to marksman xD ... and you could scale both the dex from falconer as well as detonating arrow tree

[turbid dome]

Give skills the thing enchant weapon has

Toggle it to be auto used

[tardy mirage]

ye holy aura has it too

oh wait

[quiet hearth]

Death seal, do you want to be half dead all the time on CD? take this node

[tardy mirage]

auto use

nvm

[tardy mirage]

what if it gained half of its effect while on cooldown

[turbid dome]

Like all of its effects are based on how much life and ward you seal with it

[quiet hearth]

^

[tardy mirage]

ye so when its on cooldown its just u being defensive

[turbid dome]

The skill by itself is seal a bunch of life and then after some time it explodes for a big dmg wave

[tardy mirage]

not exactly

it also has the damage reduction baked in

[quiet hearth]

this is what I want smelters to be like honestly

[tardy mirage]

half of the life you seal

[turbid dome]

yes

[tardy mirage]

the thing that ennables low life but not ward life build

[turbid dome]

I seal 50% of my health and get 25% extra DR

so now I have 1.5k life

25% DR isn't gonna stop much when I'm that squishy from my life

[tardy mirage]

least on paper

[tardy mirage]

ye but now your probably also inside your endurance window

[turbid dome]

which would activate anyways on the hit that puts me into said endurance window

[tardy mirage]

but now you focus entirely on it instead of passively

[turbid dome]

ok I equip like one item to cap my endurance %

[tardy mirage]

idk im copeing kek

[turbid dome]

like I understand the theory/idea behind the DR there

but playing sentinel a lot I also know a ton of DR is no substitute for a fatty life/ward pool

see me using rebuke against empowered lagon at 500 corruption with like 2k max life

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[turbid dome]

that was Lagon's reaction

[quiet hearth]

Rebuke gaming

[tardy mirage]

retaliation gaming when

[turbid dome]

retaliation is good for clearing some trash mobs

[quiet hearth]

maybe that's it, give death seal some DR based on ward consumed.

[turbid dome]

you get armor + necrotic res based on ward consumed (with a node)

but the armor has a cap of like 1000 I think

no cap on the necrotic res tho

[tardy mirage]

how about remove losing ward but ward retention takes a massive penalty

[alpine canopy]

never

[turbid dome]

hmm

[tardy mirage]

so like you can still use it but instead of 10-20k ward it will be like 1-2k or even less xD

[quiet hearth]

yes, either it needs to be baked into the skill for it to work that way, or it's an over sight and an abuse case.

[turbid dome]

I don't want balance around macros like in POE

[alpine canopy]

I disagree, but baking things into the skill is okay

[turbid dome]

I know numlock isn't a macro but its a similar idea

[quiet hearth]

I mean, they've said so themselves so xD

[tardy mirage]

wish it was baked in ... like i hate needing to hold one finger on anomaly just so i can press time bubble off cooldown

[quiet hearth]

It's an easy enough fix to add a node or chain to enable that style of gameplay

[turbid dome]

or put it on an idol

[tardy mirage]

gross

[turbid dome]

I'd be down for more unique idols that come with stuff like that

[tardy mirage]

not malestrom 2.0

[alpine canopy]

They've said if numlock is the only a way a skill is ever used, then it's a design problem, which I agree with. They've also said they will never remove it.

[tardy mirage]

x% chance to cast malestrom on idol pain

[alpine canopy]

Or really, no intention of removing it

[turbid dome]

% chance to cast smite when you hit with a throwing attack

% chance to replace your wraith with a fire wraith

etc.

[quiet hearth]

Because they are afraid of the backlash Id imagine, but mechanically it is a problem and it would better to cut out the problem than to build around it.

[tardy mirage]

the ones that you actually have control over triggering are fine

but uggg that malestrom one ... rather just ignore it and trigger malestrom on hit from wearbear/swipe/warcry/malestrom tree

annoys me

[turbid dome]

I was meaning one like "If you have timebubble specced in anomaly, cast anomaly every x seconds. Anomaly costs +15 mana"

[alpine canopy]

The problem only exists in the skill design, trying to fight macros is a losing battle and also not good for people who need them to be able to play the game (or to play the game without a lot of pain)

[tardy mirage]

long as its guarunteed

[turbid dome]

not you have x% chance to cast time bubble every second

[tardy mirage]

or it has a trigger you control

[turbid dome]

yeah

[tardy mirage]

ye oof good then

[turbid dome]

the idea of an idol like that is spec it in for automation of a sort, giving up what a different idol(s) would grant

if it was inconsistent it fails at its job

[tardy mirage]

i mean id rather it just exist on the skill like enchant weapon but its better than nothing

[turbid dome]

adding it in as a skill tree node causes a lot of balance changes

given tree spot + point cost to reach

[tardy mirage]

true oof

but both is good tho owo

[turbid dome]

ye

having both as options would be cool

[tardy mirage]

tree and idol xD

remove tree when you get idol

nice upgrade

altho it takes like 12 points right now just to set up time bubble and get its cooldown low enough to have 100% uptime

and thats without any buffs

[quiet hearth]

I think a LOT of things will change when the skill glyph update hits, IF it hits

[tardy mirage]

scary

[turbid dome]

biggest thing I want

skill icon on my bar changes color if I convert the skill

ie: smite turns purple with void smite

[tardy mirage]

only color?

[quiet hearth]

^

[tardy mirage]

owo

[turbid dome]

the smite attack itself already turns purple

[alpine canopy]

Same, I was really hoping they'd do this when they released RM, given the class mechanic

[tardy mirage]

but ye i agree

[tardy mirage]

runic invocation looking like itself for 40 itterations kek

[alpine canopy]

yeh that too lol, but mainly like the element of the skill you use matters for your rune generation, and then they made all the skills convertible to any element (or in some cases, any element combo)

[tardy mirage]

ye that base skill

ele nova should change its icon based on the conversion xD

forged weapons getting more specialized support please

[turbid dome]

a hat for forge guard, call it commander's helm

your forged weapons orbit you, smacking anyone who gets close

[tardy mirage]

also hammer throw/forged weapons/shield throw copy the visuals of the weapon you wear

[turbid dome]

hammer throw/javelin now unequip your weapon and you need to go pick the weapon back up off the ground

[tardy mirage]

lol

oh ye and uh

javelin

bannerman ... you should be able to use the dash multiple times per cast

i mean you always dash to the banner so it shouldnt be too op

[turbid dome]

actually

a heavy throwing skill that you can pick it back up to reset the cooldown would be cool

[tardy mirage]

i mean

thats kinda shield throw

[turbid dome]

more so I throw a giant oversized axe at them

like a throwing erasing strike

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

walk into where you throw it to "Pick it back up" and get the cooldown reset

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

not the lol loop D:

[tardy mirage]

xD

[alpine canopy]

lol

[autumn knot]

wow what a base drop

Sealed armour, put on reduced crit, upgraded everything, rerolled affixes/implicit... sad no 20% block but decent shield otherwise

[split gulch]

This shield is called NO TOUCHING

[quiet hearth]

Engi, what were we talking about earlier when I mentioned I felt another meme build coming? something about LL and ward but I cant find the mssage

[lilac sparrow]

I want to know if ravaging aura is affected by flat void stats

[tardy mirage]

LL no ward owo

[turbid dome]

flat spell damage helps it

would rav aura be busted if it got the classic +2 flat dmg per vitality

[quiet hearth]

you doubt my memes

[tardy mirage]

lol

[lilac sparrow]

This also applies to abyssal echo right?

[turbid dome]

yes flat spell damage helps abyssal echos... big difference is Abyssal echos gets +2 flat spell dmg per vitality

basically flat spell damage will help anything that is a spell

[alpine canopy]

On top of its other scaling, probs

it gets 4% inc per str and per vit

[turbid dome]

unless its description specifically says it doesn't get scaling from it for whatever reason

[turbid dome]

? is that on a node and not rav aura itself?

LE tools says no scaling from stats

[alpine canopy]

It's from VC

[turbid dome]

oh right

[lilac sparrow]

Thanks

[turbid dome]

no problemo, have fun!

[quiet hearth]

man, I dont even know what skills I would use on this nonsense

I guess go bleed

[turbid dome]

yay bleed

[quiet hearth]

now I just gotta figure out how to deal with all these bleed stacks Im gonna have on myself

[turbid dome]

Exsangious ez

[quiet hearth]

That's too LL, Im using grim ward so uh, not ideal

[turbid dome]

Hmm

A crap ton of life regen

[quiet hearth]

Going with leech since you know, lich

[turbid dome]

Fair

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

Ward on hit from harvest?

[quiet hearth]

cant gain ward with the shield

[turbid dome]

Crud

[quiet hearth]

But leech, stacking endurance,ect

[turbid dome]

Decay aura on for less dmg from dots?

Or is that just poison dots

[quiet hearth]

just poison, not worth the slot imo

Thinking seed hat honestly

use my mana pool that I honestly wont be using as eff hp

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

AND it's a harvest build

[turbid dome]

Yay

Grim harvest scythe! this is a joke

[quiet hearth]

because I am honestly too attached to that int on hit node

...I didnt know this thing existed

[turbid dome]

Grim harvest scythe?

[quiet hearth]

yeah

the meme is changed, ty engi

[turbid dome]

I’m a lil shocked

That’s been the main thing in all my lich builds

[quiet hearth]

I've somehow missed it

[turbid dome]

This is why I have posting privileges @quiet hearth

[quiet hearth]

you bribed someone Im convinced

[quiet hearth]

the armor shred node in AoD is absolute insanity

[humble wraith]

So yeah, javelin eletrify is fun!

[lilac sparrow]

Any void related or dot sword available?

[warped night]

2h or 1h?

[solid siren]

Was wondering, is void beam worth it on erasing strike?

[waxen nymph]

Meh

Unless you plan around them, not really

[solid siren]

I guess "time loop" node on erasing strike is not worth it?

[waxen nymph]

It's super strong once you solve the mana issue

And mandatory to reach the no Cd node

That is also super strong because now you scale AS and not Cdrs

[solid siren]

But each additional strike cost 60 mana... So i need like 1500 mana or what? 🤣🤣

[waxen nymph]

If you want 3 extra echoes that about right

I think 700 is enough for 1

Also it's not Cost, it's Consumed

[solid siren]

Oh,,, ao i can have negative 500?? 😅

[waxen nymph]

Sound hard to achieve but technically possible

[solid siren]

Feeling like i hVe to give up on warpath 🫤🫤

[cobalt blade]

ouch

[chilly peak]

Hey ! Erasing Strike build still available or not ? Thx 🙂

[alpine canopy]

Yes, still good

[waxen nymph]

So you are doing ER and Warpath?!?

[solid siren]

Yes 🤣🤣

[waxen nymph]

Oof

[solid siren]

At least i somewhat did.. but after i got 2nd charge of erasing and lvled that void cleave (with traverse node), seems like warpath fell behind by a lot...

Takes 4-5 hits for warpath to kill mobs, while cleave/er straight up one shots hordes.. warpath doesnt spike up as much as those 2, so im wondering if i should drop it all together...

[waxen nymph]

It's 2 different builds

You either want to invest into Warpath or ER

[solid siren]

I litterally use the same deaththorn or whatever, for both xD no specific gear and i just finished gathering passive points and idol slots, but erasing and void cleave still spikes harder, leaving warpath very far behind

[alpine canopy]

the VC + ES combo feels so nice, it pretty much deletes the whole campaign... just can struggle a bit on bosses until you get all the pieces together, usually I'd use rive for bosses until then

warpath is good, too, just harder to slap together with trash gear imo

[turbid dome]

VC + ES gets a ton of power from the tree so even if you don’t wana play that just slap em on for leveling and watch things get deleted from reality

[tardy mirage]

i like VC ES for the same reason i like shatter strike firebrand xD

[tardy mirage]

takes a long while to get going tho ... you need to hit like 12 skill points to get the assured crit for erasing from void cleave and not much less to set up erasing strike ... not to mention needing to hit like lvl 50 to solve your mana problems with the void essence thing

[alpine canopy]

You don't really need any of those things to get going, but that is the natural progression of it yeah

[tardy mirage]

i mean without the first half it is very very rough

second half you just make due with time and faith till then

[alpine canopy]

nah, no need for auto crit because VC and ES on their own oneshot pretty much any pack in that early of campaign

[tardy mirage]

ye but bosses ... cant really spam the combo

[alpine canopy]

yeah, that's the only struggle really, but campaign bosses don't take up too much of your time overall, so I don't worry about them much

[tardy mirage]

fair

[wet shale]

Try investing into ravaging aura and abyssal decay to help with bosses

Or abyssal decay on vc

[turbid dome]

Yeah you need the points for the guaranteed crit but you really don’t need the guaranteed crit to obliterate stuff before you can reach it anyways

[autumn knot]

I'm so close to 100 but my gosh that is a ton of XP required

[tardy mirage]

lol

[autumn knot]

over a third of all XP I've ever earned is required to go from 99 to 100 lol

[tardy mirage]

hypermaxed

[autumn knot]

this is pain

[autumn knot]

it's gonna take like 3 hours of dedicated beacon farming ;_;

[turbid dome]

runescape mood

[autumn knot]

^^^

[waxen nymph]

🤮

I hate that strat
I really hope it get removed soon

[autumn knot]

It's sadly so efficient though :/

And even then, it's still grindy af

but I agree, it kinda messes with the natural flow of how I would prefer to play the game

[turbid dome]

I want an arena mode that is just I stand in basically one spot and a constant swarm of dudes charges me

if you don't kill them fast enough your computer lags out kind of numbers

[tardy mirage]

i wanna play holy trail but i dont wanna play holy trail cuz its just soo narrow oof

[alpine canopy]

Fingers crossed for 1.2

[alpine canopy]

If you play arena long enough, that's kinda what it eventually becomes 😂

when people were pushing up to and breaking 1k waves a while ago, usually what ended their runs were crashes or d/cs lol

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

fair enough

[solid siren]

Grim dawn crucible 😏😏

[river raptor]

How far is a primarily void cleave focused build able to go? 100-200+corr or less? Love vc + erasing strike playstyle

[waxen nymph]

A YouTuber I follow pushed a Rive/VC (with a big focus on VC) to 700 C but that was in 0.9 or 1.0

So I think you should be able to do 500 now

[cobalt blade]

VC + Warslash sounds pretty pog for that

prolly gotta take some time getting use to time 2s spinning warpath and use VC after that

[lilac sparrow]

Can someone pls give me an idea of what idol is good for spell void knight build

[tardy mirage]

chance to cast smite

[lilac sparrow]

Hmm but I can already do it with warpath

Like on 100%

[tardy mirage]

its extra casts on top of those

[lilac sparrow]

Ok I'll try

Any other affix to aim?

[tardy mirage]

i guess stats while channeling?

[alpine canopy]

If you have any trouble with mana, void spell mana efficiency can be nice

[turbid dome]

you can get vitality on idols, which means more flat damage for your spells

the 1x2 Etteran ones (up to +3) and the 1x4 sentinel ones (up to +7)

[waxen nymph]

Vit, the CDR buff (can't remember the name Inspiration ). Hp is always good

If you have a shield Block Effect is always nice

[tardy mirage]

so thats what that is

[solid siren]

Whats the point of "time lock" node on anomaly skill if it doesnt effect bosses?

Found 2 similar erasing builds and they both use it without explanation 🤷

[turbid dome]

really big scary stack of rare enemies -> time lock them -> 2 seconds of they can't do anything

[autumn knot]

What build should I do next after bleed hammerdin? I liked this build a lot due to it being really strong, but I disliked the constant upkeep of casting hammers and also disliked the delayed damage from bleed. Hammerdin’s mapping is kinda slow and annoying too. Lightning javelins seem cool or smite/void warpath? Idk too much about other builds honestly

[tardy mirage]

time lock randomly effects you instead

[autumn knot]

How’s echo voidknight in terms of mapping ease/efficiency and bossing?

And is the survivability bad considering no shield usage?

[tardy mirage]

fast map bonk boss

and worst of the 3 for survivability ... but you do have high hp pool

[autumn knot]

Turn brain off, spin2win, profit

I see. I have a 2LP Apathy’s Maw that I’m trying to make use of

Probably a good change of pace for me to do a build with smoother mapping after submitting myself to the clunkiness of 5 bleed hammerdin characters 😂

[tardy mirage]

lol

[tardy mirage]

yep echo warpath fast ... erasing stronk

[cobalt blade]

Gotta chip in when i see the opportunity. Warrior's fury is a twap

[tardy mirage]

lol

[cobalt blade]

reduced cost is another ultra rare twap

[tardy mirage]

and electrify

need electrify rive content

rn you need like 3 skills just to make it work as a baseline xD

rive + seraphim blade healing hands + javelin with every cooldown passive to give the 120% electrify chance

[cobalt blade]

Oof

[tardy mirage]

yep then you juice rive attack speed

and it probably sucks kek

but its an idea

[cobalt blade]

Swing em rive till your shoulder dislocated

[alpine canopy]

works better with multistrike instead of rive

[tardy mirage]

nu smite not allowed

xD

ye prob

isnt rive faster tho + the succy succy

just dissable 3rd strike and get 40% attack speed xD

[cobalt blade]

I want that 40% atk spd on warpath

[tardy mirage]

hmmm dual weild one of the smite swords for the electrify chance?

[alpine canopy]

yeah, aurelis + palarus

[tardy mirage]

well one of them has the electrify ... the other the smite procs

[alpine canopy]

alternatively, if you do want to go full melee electrify, you can just go dual aurelis and use HH to proc HH 😂

[tardy mirage]

ye but HH takes an attack speed penalty ... a big one

so better to use something else without that penalty to trigger casting it

[alpine canopy]

still 2 HHs per swing vs 1 HH per swing at a lil faster rate

[tardy mirage]

you attack twice as fast

lel

[alpine canopy]

yeah, I guess back to MS lol

[tardy mirage]

lol

[alpine canopy]

the guaranteed smite on hit from aurelis is just really nice, and then the other smites MS throws out + palarus smites pretty much explode packs

[tardy mirage]

rip mana tho

[alpine canopy]

it's not too bad mana wise

been a little while since I ran it, but you get mana back when you use MS so it turns out to be not a huge deal even with the smite hits extra targets thing

[tardy mirage]

ic

[alpine canopy]

I guess it's also not mandatory to replace the MS swords with smites, I think that's the only one that costs mana

[tardy mirage]

not sure

lel

[quiet hearth]

The smite ones dont feel all that great imo

[lilac sparrow]

Rely on dodging with high movement speed for one shot attacks and leech rate for overall face tanking

[quiet hearth]

We dont dodge here, we test fate like the gods intended

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

I want more of those dmg take as idols, just put them on the smaller ones in lesser values so I can combine them with resists. I love taking all my void dmg as phys when I have a ton of armor

[tardy mirage]

i want some non phys ones owo

[quiet hearth]

that too, honestly lessening those and giving some of that to the FG in his tree would be GREAT

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

give forge guard a silly node like "All damage you take is physical, 50% less armor"

[alpine canopy]

Good thing armor shred chance echo mod doesn't scale with corruption anymore

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

terrifying

[alpine canopy]

because when you run into that, a lot of the time converting to phs just makes you take more damage

[tardy mirage]

we need damage taken as poison so i can use it on my lich/warlock kek

[alpine canopy]

Granted. Now AoD provides damage taken as poison instead of poison damage reduction

[tardy mirage]

nuuuuuu

well as long as the reduction passives in the tree are still there

[turbid dome]

nope

[tardy mirage]

sad

[lilac sparrow]

Any tips for spell VK build

Like what affixes would be optimal to search for

[turbid dome]

for what gear?

[misty parcel]

We need a devouring orb on warpath instead of echoes ._.

[tardy mirage]

devouring orb on hammer throw

[autumn knot]

I always dodge out of things that look spooky. Not trying to limit test how much I can tank in HC lol

[lilac sparrow]

@turbid dome uhh any part of gear that isn't relic , amulet or weapons

[lilac sparrow]

I just stop my warpath and use devouring orb whenever it's on cool down

Works well on the node that boost void cleave too

[misty parcel]

But imagine spinning to win and leaving behind explosive void bombs 🤝

[lilac sparrow]

Ah yes thats indeed very good

And op

[turbid dome]

The main things I aim for

Vitality (Helmet, Chestplate Boots) health, resistances, flat damage, you want this 100%

Increased Void Damage/Increased spell damage (Weapon, belt, etc.) You don't get increased damage from your stat so we need extra increased to compensate

Cast Speed vk has basically no innate cast speed support, this is very much needed, assuming your direct casting spells

Generically good affixes here (flat health, %increased health, hybrid health, resistances, etc.)

[lilac sparrow]

On my part I prefer the orbs orbitting and deal dps

Along with my warpath

[lilac sparrow]

Thanks

I also agree with high vitality stats

I'll choose that as my t7 option

[turbid dome]

+8 hp, 1% poison res, 1% necrotic res, +2 spell damage (+1 if smite)

thats a wallop of stats per vitality

[lilac sparrow]

Yeah

Vitality means you don't have to invest on poison and Necro res

[turbid dome]

I'd still try to overcap poison res by a bit given how poison stacks work

For those who don't know, poison reduces your poison resistances, its -2% per stack for the first 30 stacks so it caps at -60% res

a single poison res affix + 90+ vitality will be more than enough tho... also idk if theres an enemy who can inflict 30 stacks on you before the first ones fall off

[lilac sparrow]

I mean I aim to get over 90 vitality

So it's overcap