🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

The most general use case is probs a wand caster who off screen kills everything

As to prevent one shots

[quiet hearth]

MAybe a smiter

Maybe we will get 1H spears eventually

[turbid dome]

It could be a base sentinel passive:

spears are now 1 handed weapons for you

30% less stats from your spear

Or whatever number makes having a twohander be a one hander balanced

[quiet hearth]

No less stats from spears, just more dmg taken like anything else

Either than or give Javalin some mutators that allow you to chunk other weapons in place of spears

[waxen nymph]

Please, no more "Inc Dmg Taken"

[quiet hearth]

All of it, blood for the blood god

Like let's be real, you could double the dmg taken nodes and still not really notice it in the vast majority of cases with a proper build. If anything we need less damage dealt on some of these things.

[quiet hearth]

Oh, what if maces innately gave frailty like axes give bleed? That would give them a neat little niche I think.

[turbid dome]

Implicit armor shred chance would be cool

[turbid dome]

It would be the best choice 100% of the time if you could use a two handed weapon and a shield

[quiet hearth]

Considering how meh javalin is right now? not really

[turbid dome]

You can use skills that aren’t javelin with a spear

[tardy mirage]

we dont talk about those kek

also puncture without a bow just feels wrong cuz of how short the projectile goes

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Still dont think it's that big of a deal honestly so long as there is a penalty, I just dont think stat reduction is the way to go. Honestly we need a dedicated throwing spear that is 1H

[alpine canopy]

You can't, both those are mastery-exclusive skills for different masteries

I would really like 1H spears tbh. Just need some gimmick other than making it all melee-locked implicits to differentiate them from daggers.

[turbid dome]

Darn

10000% necrotic res from death seal continues to not do anything

[alpine canopy]

Yeah... also it is kinda rough since it's only for a single death seal, so like a few seconds tops

though for what it's worth, you can snapshot death seal on to some silly things, like ghostflame

[turbid dome]

The thought was since fissure lasts a while (and I assume snapshots) you death seal -> fissure with like 10000% more dmg

Dead boss

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it does calculate its stats only when you create the fissure

I tried death seal on a low life ghostflame build once, it was funny, ghostflame just deals such little damage though that even with all the snapshotting it felt really meh

[turbid dome]

Death seal is such a fun but weird ability

Tbh a death steal style of ability for vk would be fun

[tardy mirage]

meh

[quiet hearth]

Nah, give that to the Paladin, call it Walk By Faith or something

[warped night]

interesting that melee subskills still count as direct usages for eye of reen, so forge strike's detonating ground still gives stacks

[tardy mirage]

more things related to volatile reversal/anomaly tho owo

[leaden crater]

Does the passive skill that adds void damage to spells (and turns smite to a void spell) do it to non void spells?

It has different enough wording to make me think lmao

Because I was wanting to do a healing hands melee build that casts the holy bolts from the skill

And was considering a few void knight passives to add to it

[alpine canopy]

I agree, let them take part of the void inside themselves and uses it to devastate their foes even at the cost of their own life!

(shameless copy + paste from the VK class description)

[alpine canopy]

Yes, that +2 void damage per point applies to all your spells and attacks (similarly for the follow-on nodes, added damage applies regardless of skill type as long as it's matching spell-spell, melee-melee, etc.)

[cobalt blade]

Ability that cost health because you are not void class. Or have a secondary resource bar whr if you overuse void abilities and you go mad

Much like "overheat" for rumble in lol

[alpine canopy]

Have void well apply some beefy dooms to you if you don't have the void essences to spend

[cobalt blade]

Or shyvana but shy turns into a dragon

Literally changing it to stand down or I die

[leaden crater]

thanks

[leaden crater]

I kinda wanna use shadow beacon on a paladin lol

[turbid dome]

But like why

[leaden crater]

I KNOW

The stats I guess,

[glad pebble]

To the Void knights if any!! are you guys running 2 hand or SS

Also im getting smacked when it comes to early maps ... any tips?

[turbid dome]

2hander (world splitter)

import your character into LE tools and share the build in here so I can offer suggestions

lastepochtools main page -> build planner -> import -> enter account + character

[glad pebble]

Ty

[autumn knot]

not bad?

rerolled affix ranges 4 times for block chance :c

[turbid dome]

thats really good

[autumn knot]

it was almost a god roll ;_;

[turbid dome]

hey, 59% block chance from the shield alone is godly

[tardy mirage]

owo

[turbid dome]

that plus block effectiveness, DR on block and health

[autumn knot]

my ocd hurts tho ;_; not 26% block chance and not 10% reduced dmg lol

but yeah it is really freakin good

esp with an extra sealed relevant mod too

[turbid dome]

[vague trench]

Got my first 3 LP, with decent rolls too, now to just get a good exalted to slam onto it and pray 🙏

[tardy mirage]

gl

[tardy mirage]

i just thought of something xD ... let foe cleaver apply to forged weapons spawned through rive

its the one that doubles the 2h weapon stats

and your forced to path through the forged weapons passive to even grab it so it would make sense

to be fair doesnt have to be rive but tech like that would be kinda cool somewhere where you get to chose between mob mentality forge weapons or fewer but stronger ones

and dont say the set

[vague trench]

Hmm... It's decent, but not amazing

[alpine canopy]

Would be nice if forged weapons had a stat multiplier you could invest in like MA has for all its innate slots

[tardy mirage]

ye

[turbid dome]

forged weapons need their own tree

[alpine canopy]

That's how it used to be, actually

[tardy mirage]

sad gib

[turbid dome]

*forged weapons need their own tree... again

[alpine canopy]

I like it better this way thematically, if they can just fix the jank-ness of it it would be quite nice

If they somehow overhauled smelter's wrath and put MA inside of it and it turned out with some neat combo things, I'd be happy with that, too

might not be easy to do right, but they managed some weird hybrids decently on falconer, maybe they can do it here, too

(of course falconer might also just be acceptable since its numbers are quite a bit higher than they should be)

[warped night]

I think forge weapons would be a lot cooler if they got the storm bolt treatment

add nodes to the sent & fg skills to interact with forge weapons in cool ways

plus I hate minions so if they could be changed to non-minions that would be cool 😁

[quiet hearth]

I finally figured out what those freaking spiky golems are doing, they summon this red rock that stabs you and also seems to inflict a dot

[turbid dome]

Dang

[wild sedge]

anyway to reduce mana cost from the eraser strike's echo?

[waxen nymph]

No because it's Mana Consumed and not Mana Cost

[wild sedge]

sad :< they hefty cost...

[tardy mirage]

nuuuuuu minion hater spotted

more shared stats on forge guard would be nice too

like what they do for shaman

shared crit and dmg and attack speed ... things like that ... where when your building your minions your also building yourself to fight with them

rn the only thing really shared is a middling ammount of ailment chance

[viscid adder]

How would be à torch of the pontifex with T7 added dot dmg for a minions forged guard ?

I m hc ssf and got this ^^

[tardy mirage]

dont know exactly how this would work ... and i know manifest armour can already copy your weapon
BUT
It would be funny if manifest armour could consume a forged weapon and "equip" it xD

ye lots of random ideas for forge guard ... theres just so much wasted potential

some minion and nonminion ideas

[turbid dome]

give forge guard a mech suit transformation

also give the mech suit its own voice lines

"Stand down or die."

"Why do you always say that?"

[tardy mirage]

YUS

[tardy mirage]

idk about that far but suuuuure xD

[turbid dome]

I want titan fall 3

[tardy mirage]

lol

oh also ... a passive on manifest armour that allows it to redirect like 10-20% of your damage taken to it instead

[turbid dome]

impossible

sentinel doesn't get consistent DR like that if its not armor or block

[tardy mirage]

would be funny if it went both ways

[turbid dome]

now your talking

[tardy mirage]

if manifest armour takes dmg you take 20% of it ... but if you take dmg directly it takes 20% instead xD

also it taunts so youll just bleed through 20% of the dmg kek

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it'll just chill there tanking boss one shots lol... granted it only takes 1/4 of the damage from those usually, still will probably hurt a lot

[tardy mirage]

xD

[minor rune]

fire warpath paladin vs warpath vk? are they more or less the same power?

[quiet hearth]

wow, literally right at the end of the event

[chilly peak]

You plenty time to play around with it until 1.2 hits 🙂

[leaden crater]

Is Multistrike Smite worth it on a shadow beacon build? It wave clears a lot but when it comes to bosses I feel hard casting smite works better

Or should I go Healing Hands holy bolt and use devouring orb instead of smite

[waxen nymph]

You probably want a Palarus and probably the other sword (can't remember the name just now) if you are doing MS + Smite

[alpine canopy]

Aurelis is the other sword

[waxen nymph]

Thx!

[bleak wren]

"X damage taken as physical", are theses affixes usefull on helmet or body armor ?

[turbid dome]

IMO other than poison taken as physical, no

Basically the portion you convert to physical damage gets full armor effectiveness

Which does apply to dots if you have armor applying to dots

I like poison taken as phys because poison stacks inherently reduce your resistances so converting part of it to physical dmg, one ignores your reduced resistance and two makes armor applies to dot better for it

But even then you could put levels to a skill in that affix slot

Or vitality and get health + resistances

[bleak wren]

i'm playing a self cast smite paladin atm so there isnt that many interessing affixes in that slot

[turbid dome]

Also side note about the amulet Orian’s Eye: since it converts all void to fire dmg it does let you ignore needing any void resistance

[bleak wren]

maybe level of healing / increased shred effect

[turbid dome]

Are you doing bleed smite or spell hit

[bleak wren]

spell hit

[turbid dome]

But if you really have nothing else to throw in there they don’t hurt

[bleak wren]

that amulet is crazy wow

[turbid dome]

It’s very strong

Tho also before you try, the void that gets converted to fire dmg can’t then be converted to phys

It’s stuck as fire

[bleak wren]

good to know

i guess i'll just stick to healing hand level & strength on the helmet for now

[turbid dome]

I’d recommend vitality

It’s health and resistances in a prefix slot

But if you also have like no strength, getting some increased armor from it will probably help more

[bleak wren]

it gives necro and poison resist ? never noticed that

pretty good deal

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[bleak wren]

but strength give good spell damage since i'm using Palarus

lots of choice to make

[turbid dome]

Oh fair

[bleak wren]

i guess the priority should be more health then getting armor applying to dots

[turbid dome]

dots are very spooky rn

[bleak wren]

yeah, learned that when i entered empowered mono yesterday

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

Imo you will want Mana/Attunement and use a Devotion at some point

[turbid dome]

oh true

[bleak wren]

Even with fire smite ?

Seems like it is for a different builds

[waxen nymph]

Flat Spell is super valuable

Also a ton of Cast Speed

[bleak wren]

True

That's why i'm thinking of stacking strenght instead of attunement for Palarus spell damage bonus

And paladin get a ton of increased damage

[autumn knot]

Damn... just slammed a 2LP Blood of the Exile and it missed T7 Movespeed and the T5 Reduced Crit ;_;

[warped night]

a 2lp classic

my favorite is when a 3lp misses the t7

[turbid dome]

[warped night]

I could really do without my useless forged weapons aggroing everything

[turbid dome]

I mean their weapons

whatelse are they gonna do but insta aggro on everything

[warped night]

I want a node in forge strike that disables forge weapons in exchange for a big damage buff

or a scrap metal node

if scrap metal boosted both rive and forge strike's damage that would be dope

[tardy mirage]

move the passive right before scrap metal over to forge strike and then do that

[autumn knot]

Definitely had that happen before too. Feelsbad

[autumn knot]

Hey @chilly peak since the imperial uprising enemies are gone now, would you recommend going above 200 corruption for leveling to 100 in HC?

Feel like monolith farming is pretty safe without them

[chilly peak]

Defenitely Char depending

[autumn knot]

Gotcha. Right now I have a lv 95 hammerdin and a 89 torment warlock

Both doing 200c with event mobs pretty reliably

Maybe I’ll play around with 250-300 and then regret my actions later 😅

[chilly peak]

As said before, farmed my way to 100 two times even below 200c (and lost the first at 170c where I farmed w/o problems before).

It is dependent to so many factors I won't make an absolute call on this 🙂

[lilac sparrow]

Which is better between increases in fire dmg and ignite duration vs increased in armor shredd effect for my warpath build?

[bleak wren]

depend on how much increased damage you already have

and how much shred armor stack you can sustain

[turbid dome]

If it’s a pure dot/ignite build you don’t need armor shred

[turbid dome]

Ironblades change idea:

The ironblades base damage scale with both flat melee and flat throwing damage

[waxen nymph]

No, that's only for Rogue Shadow Dagger. You know with auto Crit, 340% Added Dmg Effectiveness

[turbid dome]

[autumn knot]

tfw you try to Rune of Removal the Mana... and then it removes your T7 % Health instead 🙃

[turbid dome]

throw it on the ground and pretend you never picked it up

ez

[quiet hearth]

Shatter it out of spite

[turbid dome]

true

[autumn knot]

I threw it on the ground and walked back and forth over it a few times

[turbid dome]

[heady helm]

will the echowarpath endgame loot filter be viable for leveling?

i just started

i know endgame and leveling is different but i cant find a echo warpath leveling loot filter

[turbid dome]

if its hiding low level bases your probs gonna have some trouble leveling

[autumn knot]

Maxroll guides always have leveling parts of their loot filter

[turbid dome]

oh is this a maxroll guide

[autumn knot]

And on the guide itself, it shows what to take at certain levels

[turbid dome]

I was gonna say grab heavy'z filter

[heady helm]

it just said endgame i didnt see levling except a basic sentinel levling guide and ingame the community said echo warpath can also be used as leveling

[autumn knot]

What's "it"

[turbid dome]

to be fair leveling is basically highest level base with flat void damage on it and health + resistances on armor

[autumn knot]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide#loot-filter-header

Just do the first one

maxroll loot filters always include parts for leveling

[turbid dome]

like if you have a dreamthorn in your stash thats really all you need weapon wise for leveling a vk

[heady helm]

nah this is a fresh start

so just import the whole string?

[turbid dome]

it should have both a string and a file download version

[autumn knot]

Yes

it'll automatically copy to your clipboard

and when you go to import in game

it'll automatically paste

[heady helm]

alrighty just having bad rng in beginning XD

barley going through the burning forest and ever since i applied the loot filter ive had no drops XD

[autumn knot]

and if you look in-game in the filter for its settings, you should see at the bottom where it has some leveling filter portions

like certain settings that only apply to lv 35 or below or lv 85 and below or something like that

[autumn knot]

It is as Engi said though. Just get a weapon with flat void damage and/or craft it. Then defenses are just health and resist and that's pretty much it

[heady helm]

found it, itsays recolor leveling campaign gear (35)

thank yall!

one last questuon it doesnt matter what order it is on the loot filter right?

[autumn knot]

It does

The ones at the top override the ones at the bottom

The ones at the bottom continue filtering what wasn't filtered from the stuff at the top

[heady helm]

copy so put the leveling on top

[autumn knot]

I mean, it should be fine the way it is

[heady helm]

alrighty just having bad rng atm XD

[autumn knot]

Most of what's above it is probably stuff like "hide unusable items (like wands and staffs and bows etc)"

or "recolor items with good affixes"

the problem with putting the leveling thing all the way at the top is that it'll likely also show you items with health and resistances... that's only useable for other classes

or it'll show you flat void damage but it's on a wand or something

[turbid dome]

I mean if this is a cycle start you want to see that stuff for shattering

[autumn knot]

just keep playing. items will drop

[turbid dome]

at least early on

[autumn knot]

and you can easily craft what you need too

[heady helm]

such a nice community i came to the right ARPG

[autumn knot]

the power requirement for getting through the leveling phase is honestly kinda low, so don't worry about having to get too much good stuff going early on

[turbid dome]

yea

[autumn knot]

that's why there's even another filter for level 80 called "early monolith"

it's usually past that point where you care more about the gear that drops for you

[turbid dome]

when leveling a vk earlier this cycle I realized after finishing the first mono I still had a level like 30 base item on

which was my weapon

don't do that

but also leveling with warpath wise, dump your first 5 points into the flat void dmg node right next to the start

flat dmg = king

[autumn knot]

I had a similar experience except it was for my bleed hammerdin and I had a T6 phys stat on my lv 18 base weapon

couldn't find anything to replace it for a long time

[turbid dome]

ok throwing/aliment build are a lil cheating for that

[autumn knot]

:B

(shhh)

[turbid dome]

[heady helm]

first boss nothing XD lmfao rngeesus

so void spiral engi?

[turbid dome]

I think so yeah

[autumn knot]

If you're ever really concerned that your loot filter's hiding stuff you might wanna see, just hold down "X" and you can manually look over what's on the ground

[turbid dome]

I rarely read the node names

[heady helm]

instead of unchained?

[turbid dome]

oh wait right mana cost

you probs want both early on

[heady helm]

yeah because idont have any void damage yet

[turbid dome]

? void spiral adds flat void dmg to it

so like with 10 physical damage from your weapon and 10 void dmg from void spiral the hit has 20 base damage

[heady helm]

alright ty

[autumn knot]

Holy I almost just lost my lv 95 character in HC

[turbid dome]

nemisus?

big rock zombie guys?

dots?

[autumn knot]

Shield Rushed across what looked like even terrain... then my character model got stuck underneath the map. I couldn't portal out. Was taking a ton of damage from enemies, my Aurora's popped, and I managed to log out in time

[turbid dome]

STRESS

make sure to bug report the part you got stuck in

[autumn knot]

I managed to clip it. It was me being on top of a hill shield rushing down a slope

thought I was smart to Volatile Reversal it too but nope

[chilly peak]

jeez, glad you could escape

[autumn knot]

same. spooky stuff

[chilly peak]

Aurora

[autumn knot]

yeah just posted it in https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1219269022802251837

[autumn knot]

For reals... that's actually the first time it popped this entire playthrough

[chilly peak]

You have your backup up, you should really go for the 100 soon

I'm commited to your story here since a while, I want a happy end now 🙂

[autumn knot]

Yeah sat at 95 for a while to take a break from this build and was working on a second character

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owzlMWXB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (8) / Paladin (60)

General:

▸ Health: 3,270, Regen: 37.06/s
▸ Mana: 189.7, Regen: 9.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 131%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 12 Dex / 23 Int / 0 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 112% / 134% / 106% / 131% / 100% / 119%
▸ EHP: 11,932 / 11,932 / 11,932 / 19,178 / 11,932 / 11,932 / 14,033

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 654
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,495)
▸ Block Chance: 66%, Mitigation: 49% (1,920)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Smite (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Flayer's Pride
• Blood of the Exile
• Aurora's Time Glass
• Valdyr's Chalice

[autumn knot]

I have some pretty decent gear. Ideally I'd want to replace my body piece and helm for something better

everything else I'm happy enough with

[chilly peak]

I know well, it is more fun to play a backup while you can, not because you must

[autumn knot]

my total life pool's kinda low. I'm thinking of removing one of the large idols for a double HP stout

[autumn knot]

Made the swap. Better eHP now. Don't really need that much bleed duration anyway

What I really need is a good body piece with T6 or T7 % HP lol

[chilly peak]

I would do it much more defensively in some terms, but thats a damn sweet char.

Coming back to your earlier question, I would not raise the corruption further in your case. You don't have a too crazy ehp and you know how things can go, after farming safe for a long time, suddenly you overlook something, a bad stun happens or a missclick happens and you're in big trouble.

[autumn knot]

Yeah I'd feel more comfortable doing 250-300 if I had closer to 4000 HP

[chilly peak]

ehp is the thing to look at, but I guess you are aware of that, and yes, 4k HP would contribute great to that

[autumn knot]

Yeah, agreed. I could swap out for this:

which tbh is prob smarter

[chilly peak]

I'd also always aim for 60% Endurance. It is a nice insurance with a decent HP

[autumn knot]

but also from other HC game experience, killing enemies faster is also another layer of defense lol

[chilly peak]

true that

[chilly peak]

Just wonder, what would your ehp look like with this one. (should try with an HP chest later again)

[autumn knot]

true. with 4 sigils I get 47% endurance but it's still pretty low

[autumn knot]

with my current set up, it only gives me an extra like 400 ehp across the board

[chilly peak]

Ok, thats not worth compared to Flayers damage

[autumn knot]

Yeah. The fact that my flayers has T7 block chance makes it pretty comparable to a good ironglass (still salty it hit T5 void res instead of T5 block eff tho lol)

[turbid dome]

Imo max hit is a lot more important than ehp

[autumn knot]

I mean.. there's EHP for max-hit

[turbid dome]

Yeah ehp vs one shot is max hit

[autumn knot]

or did you mean max hit vs other forms of ehp

or like raw HP stat lol

HP stat itself never paints the right picture anyway

[turbid dome]

Max hit > other ehp stats

Because max hit shows how much damage a pack can do in a second to murder you

And if your max hit/one shot is high, your ehp is high as well

[autumn knot]

Yeah. I feel like EHP for max hit is always easy to scale. Like it scales naturally, but I have to go out of my way a bit to make sure EHP vs DoT is a thing

in terms of build progression at least. But I agree the actual stat of EHP vs max hit is likely the most important one

[turbid dome]

Well written

Ehp vs dot is gonna be skewed in the current cycle just because of how deadly dots are rn

[autumn knot]

question about endurance: does it only affect when you take a fresh instance of damage below the endurance threshold? or does it mitigate damage from what's above the threshold too?

to clarify, here's an example

I have 1000 HP, endurance threshold at 300 with 50% endurance

if I take 1000 worth of dmg, do I die

[turbid dome]

So if a hit would put you under the endurance threshold, your endurance applies to the damage under the threshold

[autumn knot]

or do I take 700 damage + 300 * whatever endurance mitigation (say 50%)

[turbid dome]

This is why having max endurance % with default endurance threshold is used a lot

[autumn knot]

oic so in this example, I would take 700 + 150

[autumn knot]

with 4 sigils I'm sitting at 1007 threshold and 47% endurance. I should probably pump up those numbers lol

[turbid dome]

Found it in the game guide

[autumn knot]

Ooh sick

Thank you

[turbid dome]

Np

[autumn knot]

First time I got a Champion Regalia in the Nemesis menu... and it produced this piece of garbo lmao

[turbid dome]

I mean it’s not bad

Yolo removal the two prefixes

[autumn knot]

phys pen with bleed is the only relevant stat

lightning res is redundant with the blessing

[turbid dome]

Wait right your a dot build

[autumn knot]

oh well, time to drop it on the floor and walk over it a few times

[turbid dome]

Switch the blessing

Go to the blessing respec person

[autumn knot]

nothing else fits in that blessing slot well for this build

[turbid dome]

Which timeline is it

[autumn knot]

ending the storm

lightning res blessing is BiS

[turbid dome]

Health regen blessing

That takes you from base regen to like 180 regen

[autumn knot]

I guess. I have better body pieces than whatever that can turn into anyway

health regen kinda redundant when I have a Valdyr's

[turbid dome]

Also ward per second + ward threshold blessing is solid too

Helps for max hit and dots

Just pretend the ward decay threshold is +max health

[autumn knot]

That I can actually get behind depending on how much ward it caps at

[turbid dome]

It’s 260 cap I think

So with how ward works and that this build probs has like 4% ward retention, it’s like 350 extra health

Actually

To the calculator

[autumn knot]

that's not bad. I'll consider that if I ever overcap super hard on lightning res

kinda like that idea tbh

[turbid dome]

Oh wait no

The ward decay is with the ward on potion use

Ward per second is by itself

Still tho 42 ward per second with 4% retention is about 200 stable ward

But that 42 per second is also assisting vs dots

I have used that one and the ward on kill + ward decay threshold blessing from dark sun to boost my max hit

[autumn knot]

I like the +69 (nice) flat health I'm getting from black sun tho

[turbid dome]

That’s fair

But ward decay threshold is basically +200 hp

Assuming you have any consistent ward regen

[autumn knot]

that's good to know

[turbid dome]

“Basically” in that meaning, you can’t leech to refill it

Which leech is the biggest reason to mostly stack hp

[turbid dome]

Oh wait

I completely forgot about endurance only affecting hp too

[autumn knot]

these are so hard to craft with the right affixes ;_;

just had 3 decent ones drop from prophecies. bricked all of them xD

[turbid dome]

That’s how it bee

[rustic edge]

Hello all Sentinels, Anyone have a Hammer build guild to help out a return player leveling up in Nemesis ? Soemthing might give me a bit of info on what to be looking for, passives to build on and skills to be running ? Thanks in advance

Sorry forgot to mention Paladin Mastery

[turbid dome]

Bleed hammerdin is still strong af

I don’t have a guide on hand but I’m assuming maxroll does

Or look on letools for one

@rustic edge ^

[rustic edge]

Ill take a peek around there , See if i can find something to refrence off of as i level and have fun mostly. TY!

[turbid dome]

Someone in here is doing a bleed hammerdin rn

[rustic edge]

Ive just been away for a bit . Last time i played i was in the 80s having a good time. Getting good at the game. Learning but now im kinda like ...uhhhh where to start again lol

If someone has info and tosses something up for leveling bleed hammerdin be appreciated . Thanks Engi for the help thus far

[turbid dome]

The only change in the game now is there’s a pinnacle boss and loot lizards

Oh and forge guard is on par with the rest of sentinel

[rustic edge]

Ive seen the lizards. I t ook em as loot goblins from Diablo and the Spirits from POE

[turbid dome]

Yea

Makes getting build enabling idols (like smite on throwing attack hit for more bleed stacks) a lot easier from the idol lizards

The big sentinel update is next cycle in 2025

[tardy mirage]

downdate

[waxen nymph]

Sentinel update

remove the More Dmg from VR
Buff Falconer

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

lol

nah falconer will get nerfed too dont worry

no fun allowed

[autumn knot]

@rustic edge https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/bleed-hammerdin-paladin-guide

See also: https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/harbingers-of-ruin-event/latest/softcore-1p/level/all/skill=hammer_throw&class=paladin

^ more build variety there

Helps you get an idea what items/stats people prioritize

I'm running the Bleed Hammerdin build right now too but in Hardcore so my build is a bit more defensive than the maxroll guide suggests

[tardy mirage]

leveling feels rough on my fake ocd

im not really ocd but sometimes i really feel like i am ... like wanting to follow trees to the letter xD

[autumn knot]

I suffer from the same problem lol

but also sometimes I intentionally make different choices depending on the gear I have at the time

[tardy mirage]

poe habbits bleeding in

im also really bad at transitioning between builds

which is why i dont like doing the super fast leveling builds xD

and then swapping over

[turbid dome]

at least respecing is easy in LE

[tardy mirage]

i mean its fine if its something low level like using punture until you get rain of arrows in rogue
but if its a super big change like leveling idk rive and then swapping to devouring orb it really feels wrong

[autumn knot]

I'm not as big of a fan of "level like this then when you reach lv 50, respec like this"

[tardy mirage]

YE same

[autumn knot]

I had a similar issue of doing blast rain marksman on my first character

[turbid dome]

sadly if you dont get the skill till level 50 what else can ya do

[autumn knot]

bc you need to respec into the ability to have enough points for the whole build to work lol

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

(:

[tardy mirage]

least at lvl 50 you got like 8 points to work with

and it levels to like 14 really fast

from what i remember most of the like major passives are like 5 or 6 points off of start

in most skills

[turbid dome]

tbh the biggest thing for doing something like rive -> Dorb is gear

[tardy mirage]

ye major gear swap

going from attacks to spells

but honestly outside of that it just feels bad not being able to level as what your gonna play later xD

with obvious exceptions like not having access to the skill

lel

[turbid dome]

me wanting to use anomaly as a main skill for wizard vk -> levels with rive

[tardy mirage]

yeeeeee oof

thats not even mentioning if it requires any uniques that have super high level reqs lel

[turbid dome]

or are just unreasonably rare for what it is

omni ;-;

[tardy mirage]

why cant i play golem at like lvl 30 and just spec into skele skill for the minion count until i can get the tree

[turbid dome]

why is this goober so rare

[tardy mirage]

LOL

true

[turbid dome]

its not even that good

[tardy mirage]

i mean

it would be pretty good if you got it at like 50

[tardy mirage]

ik

sadge

[turbid dome]

like it for caster vk can't be made better by adding more flat damage cause wizard vk already gets like 200 flat dmg from vitality

[tardy mirage]

isnt that only for smite?

[turbid dome]

smite gets 1 flat per vitality

all the other vk spells and subskill spells get 2 flat per vitality

[tardy mirage]

oh ic

[turbid dome]

they dont get a % increased from stat

[tardy mirage]

thought all the other skills were the generic 4% increased

[turbid dome]

thats most

but like erasing strike is % increase for the melee smack from strength

and 2 flat spell dmg per vitality for the spell part

[tardy mirage]

OOOOH another big oof ... take leveling a starter build to an extreme ... I HATE leveling a build that doesnt even fit the archetype of the mastery i chose. WHY would i want to play rive VK when its so out of tune with VK that it feels like playing pally

[turbid dome]

? rive fits fk

[tardy mirage]

not the maxroll leveling for rive vk kek

[turbid dome]

well yeah its a leveling verison of rive

[tardy mirage]

ye i meant that tho

[turbid dome]

something like this from their not leveling rive is what you would want

[tardy mirage]

like leveling with a generic build from a different mastery

[tardy mirage]

ye ik

lol

but like if im playing VK for example i wanna have the flashy echos xD

and stuff

[turbid dome]

80% echo chance go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[quiet hearth]

#rivesuperiority

[tardy mirage]

i like rive btw

[turbid dome]

rive is everywhere more so cause the other two auto attack esc skills are booty cheeks

[tardy mirage]

xD

[turbid dome]

yes let me use iron blades

said actually no one ever

[quiet hearth]

You could literally put rive into anyones kit and it would still be one of the best options

[tardy mirage]

i mean theres also the "level everything as hammer throw" that we used to have kek

[turbid dome]

we still have that

[tardy mirage]

ye ive done it

but now rive is the new like poster child

[turbid dome]

cause rive can use time and faith

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

How time and faith got through QA is beyond me, and even without TaF it's still stupidly strong

[turbid dome]

it made it through cause they know the sentinel rework is coming later

they wanted something for base sentinel with the forge guard buff this past cycle

[tardy mirage]

i mean the only other way to generate mana without being VK with void essences or volatile reversal is getting affixes for vengence and stuff

and its not like rogue doesnt have this same passive more or less xD

[quiet hearth]

The rogues is flat Im pretty sure

[tardy mirage]

ye it is

[turbid dome]

the rogue passive doesnt heal 10% of missing hp every swing

[quiet hearth]

^

[tardy mirage]

true

[quiet hearth]

I abused that with MS procing FS, it was so hard to die

[tardy mirage]

i usually focus on the mana cuz the health bit is irrelivant once you start getting leech sources

well not irrelivant but like

you could swap one for the other

[turbid dome]

the 10% of missing healed goes hard

[quiet hearth]

Yeah it do

[turbid dome]

its a ton of healing when you need it

[tardy mirage]

lowkey rogues is stronger early on because its flat ... but when you have 1k+ health getting back 100 will be better than getting back the 56 from draining arrow + sapping strikes xD

[quiet hearth]

I'ts not really low key

[turbid dome]

its only stronger for like the first 2 levels you can reach it

[tardy mirage]

nah

[turbid dome]

don't forget sentinel has a fat health regen and vitality node at lvl 1

[tardy mirage]

true

[tardy mirage]

nah those things can carry until easily into the late 30-40s

lel

[turbid dome]

Time and faith starts carrying at when it’s at 3 points in it then keeps working hard till you quit the cycle

[tardy mirage]

LOL

[quiet hearth]

Basically that yeah

[tardy mirage]

ig thats one way to look at it kek

[turbid dome]

Like yes the flat heal is strong early

But time and faith is just on another level

[tardy mirage]

ye

[quiet hearth]

I still need to build out RF dual scaling with Rogue and Spellblade but rogue gameplay feels terrible to me

[tardy mirage]

ic ic

[quiet hearth]

I imagine VK still wins out just because Rive double echo chance is dumb for dots

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

Dots and crit

And uhh

Doubling weapon stats

So basically like 3.8 times stats

[quiet hearth]

Not for my nonsense, though I did use it to make an ele dot build with that ice spear

[turbid dome]

Or whatever x2 and x1.8 combined come out to

[tardy mirage]

do we have void damage infinite dot?

[turbid dome]

chuckles in apathy’s maw with an effect lvl 28 melee void dmg

[tardy mirage]

like damned/ignite and stuff

[turbid dome]

Uhhh

Future strike?

[quiet hearth]

[turbid dome]

Every other void dot has a cap

Even lacerate

[tardy mirage]

ye thats what i meant

sad

[quiet hearth]

I forgot about lacerate just adding a free dot

[turbid dome]

melee dmg dot gaming

[tardy mirage]

honestly most of the void dots are more or less there to scale the hit of something else kek

[turbid dome]

but only 1 stack max

future strike can get 400% pen from anomaly

and its still never used

cause the two sources of it are anomaly and spending 10 points on passive tree for 100% chance on hit

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

oh wait and dread banner

its a cool idea for a dot that acts like a delayed hit

but bro has less support than electrify

[quiet hearth]

Future strike should just store all damage you deal over X time then explode

[turbid dome]

plz no its the one void dot that doesnt have a cap

[tardy mirage]

lowkey unironically think electrify gets screwed over so you cant have 2 ele dot effects with easy access kek

[turbid dome]

makes logical sense

[tardy mirage]

ye they dont want us double dipping the relic/ring/belt affix for ele damage over time xD

like most of the time when you see frostbite its bundled with a conversion too so it sidesteps that

[turbid dome]

that didn't stop draven with his quad dot build

[tardy mirage]

true lel

still sad to see it happen lel

[quiet hearth]

I think I got up to 7 actually

[tardy mirage]

ok no excuse then ... they just hate electrify kek

[quiet hearth]

You know what they hate? Lich, so much they gave it's skill to someone else who didnt need it

[turbid dome]

gets a ton of low life ward support -> biggest most flashy skill turns off ward

also game just jumpscared me by telling me to make a new cycle character

thought all my dudes were gone

back to making vk wizard work

[quiet hearth]

I still havent tried bleed pally

[turbid dome]

dang

I do like that wizard vk is basically a weird totem build from poe

[quiet hearth]

wat

[turbid dome]

totem poe build: spawn stationary dudes who use your stats to attack

wizard vk support turret Dorb and spam one spot void rift

[quiet hearth]

I know how poe works with totems xD

Ive never touched dorb outside of once years ago, felt terrible

[turbid dome]

I go for the max duration hollow orb so I can get 3-6 out and they just shoot stuff

honestly something that grants extra max charges to Dorb would be swell

[quiet hearth]

Make a node that makes it a pet

[waxen nymph]

??

[tardy mirage]

owo

just pulsing orb pet

is this terraria

xD

[turbid dome]

thats behind a node that reduces the duration by 40%

[tardy mirage]

ye thats rough

[turbid dome]

oh wait and a node that reduces it by 20% per point

and you need 3 points to reach patient hunger

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

EHG loves their point taxes

[tardy mirage]

so it basically has no duration by then

[turbid dome]

yeah its to use the orb explodes on time out node better

given its behind it

basicially make it a bomb you throw at things

[tardy mirage]

yeeee oof ... still waiting for more hammer throw projectiles without losing them returning

[quiet hearth]

That one isnt too bad just because you can get so many extra imo

[waxen nymph]

Do you use Shadow Beacon and ER to replace them?

[tardy mirage]

but i like the return xD

[turbid dome]

nah this is full wizard vk

[tardy mirage]

maybe it could be like that alt gem for spectral throw

in poe

[turbid dome]

this is my anomaly is a main skill attempt

[waxen nymph]

Time Wave?

[turbid dome]

yes

[tardy mirage]

doesnt anomaly have a horrible cooldown tho?

[turbid dome]

yes

[waxen nymph]

🤮🤮

[turbid dome]

thats why I'm using both void rift and Dorb as turrets while I smite during anomaly's cooldown

[waxen nymph]

I would rather try Rebuke as a main Spell

[turbid dome]

ok now thats completely throwing

[quiet hearth]

did that, not worth it

[tardy mirage]

ic

[waxen nymph]

So is Time Wave/Anomaly imo

[tardy mirage]

hey people did it with focus sooo

[turbid dome]

it can never be throwing

[quiet hearth]

Focus actually has offensive scaling though

[tardy mirage]

true

i mean rebuke does too its just bad

[quiet hearth]

It doesn't, it has technical scaling you cant stuff enough into it. Trust me I tried.

[tardy mirage]

ye oof

[turbid dome]

mmm 1 ingnite stack per second to nearby enemies while channeling rebuke

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

dont forget the spreading flames

[tardy mirage]

hey at least that will carry you till lvl 15 kek

[quiet hearth]

Rebuke will carry you to lvl 100 kicking and screaming because 80% dmg reduction base

[turbid dome]

can you even reach those nodes before lvl 15

[tardy mirage]

ye

lvl 15 is like lvl 5 or 6 on the skill itself

can grab spreading flames or ignite by skill lvl 2

[turbid dome]

;-; why doesn't this give cast speeeeeed

[tardy mirage]

true

like half of VK is spells kek

[turbid dome]

also whatever this node is smoking I want some

[tardy mirage]

i love it but where would it even be useful

[turbid dome]

when an enemy would apply slow

[tardy mirage]

ye where tho

[turbid dome]

great question

[tardy mirage]

imagine alot of inverted debuffs

like bleed giving regen

[turbid dome]

there is this funny node

[quiet hearth]

Tons of enemies actually apply slow, it's just so easy to get movement speed

[tardy mirage]

oh ye that ones fun

[turbid dome]

now the damage to blinded is at least ok cause decay can just inflict blinded

but also nether breach

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

this node is so much fun

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

damn I got trista stuck in a lol loop

[tardy mirage]

berry true

[autumn knot]

volatile reversal'd the "lol"

[tardy mirage]

loL

[autumn knot]

Lol

[quiet hearth]

[tardy mirage]

budget blood of the exile

[autumn knot]

does that fulfill a similar role as BotE for a different build?

idk much other than bleed hammerdin

[tardy mirage]

i mean no

[autumn knot]

and isn't that BiS for some void build

[tardy mirage]

but ye kinda

[autumn knot]

like echo warpath

[tardy mirage]

ye

or the bonk build

i think just melee void dmg builds in general lel

[turbid dome]

given you can slam a T7 melee void dmg onto an apathay's maw it makes you go F A S T

[tardy mirage]

if you max roll the movement speed it has like 2% speed more than blood of the exile kek

lol ye

[autumn knot]

I do have a 2LP Apathy's Maw just sitting in my inventory

[turbid dome]

especially fun if your using rive, you effectively get T28 melee void dmg

for giga fun slam an increased void dmg affix on it too

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

oh god not more lol

[quiet hearth]

I dont remember the last time I crafted something on with LP honestly, I just dont like running that dungeon

[tardy mirage]

ic ic

[autumn knot]

what are the BiS slams for Apathy's Maw?

gonna set up a loot filter for just 2H Axes with T7

and slam it for funsies

[tardy mirage]

flat void

void pen

[turbid dome]

if you want max rive funnie, flat void and increased void dmg

cause rive doubles both of those

[tardy mirage]

true

[autumn knot]

Rive seems good for bossing, kinda ass for mapping?

[tardy mirage]

202 flat void dmg kek

[turbid dome]

rive is solid for mapping given it has a yoink node

[tardy mirage]

sucky sucky

[turbid dome]

but like its still a short ranged melee skill

[autumn knot]

think I'd have more fun doing a warpath build anyway

[tardy mirage]

same thing tho '

[autumn knot]

plus I think I have all the uniques necessary for the warpath vk build

[tardy mirage]

your typical hit based 2h weapon stats

[turbid dome]

its a good thing the same slams work for that too

[autumn knot]

see some people put flat melee crit chance too

[tardy mirage]

true

[autumn knot]

so that it increases the base crit pretty high

in fact, it seems like that's the BiS slam

[tardy mirage]

100% leech rate pog too

[turbid dome]

how rare is a prismatic shrine

I don't think I've seen one b4

[quiet hearth]

I saw ONE, and the boost was insane

[turbid dome]

zoomed through 2 echos with this thing

which is nice for being lvl 61 with gear from lvl 30

chronomancer aura for vk when

[tardy mirage]

probably rare ... got it like 8-10 times total

[autumn knot]

yeah they're pretty rare

[alpine canopy]

Because VK isn't a caster

at least, not intended to be...

[turbid dome]

I disagree, wizard vk for life

[quiet hearth]

VK is obviously meant to be able to cast spells, just, their spells kinda suck

[turbid dome]

bro gets 4 spells and VR which is technically a spell

[quiet hearth]

as attack spells at least

[tardy mirage]

like half of vk is spells tho lel

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, but notice that they are all support spells

[tardy mirage]

fair

[turbid dome]

technically each vk skill is at least half a spell

[turbid dome]

given how I'm using anomaly I disagree

[tardy mirage]

devouring orb too

i think

[quiet hearth]

They have attack options built into most of them, you 100% dont have to use them for support, just the support parts over shadow the dmg parts

[turbid dome]

turret dorb, turret echos, burst anomaly and void smite ❤️

[alpine canopy]

I really don't think you're using it as Orobyss intended tbf

[quiet hearth]

Doesnt he use it to kill us?

[alpine canopy]

He doesn't use it

[turbid dome]

if it wasn't meant to kill why does it do damage

checkmate forge guards

[quiet hearth]

Exactly

[alpine canopy]

heh

[tardy mirage]

LOL

forgeguard catching strays xD

[quiet hearth]

Put that right next to if it didnt want to die, it shouldnt drop loot.

[turbid dome]

the forge guard bit was uncalled for I'll be honest

[quiet hearth]

It's ok, he's got thick skin

[alpine canopy]

If forge guard didn't want to take hits, it should have picked a different mastery bonus

[tardy mirage]

hey he didnt ask for that he was born with it

[turbid dome]

well actually no

[quiet hearth]

Give FG offensive scaling for building armor as a passive

[turbid dome]

our characters explicitly steal their mastery knowledge from some other traveler

[tardy mirage]

wait were the bad guys? owo

[alpine canopy]

Well technically, it's themself

[quiet hearth]

technically WE are the other traveller, so technically speaking we're LARPING

[alpine canopy]

a lot of themselves

[tardy mirage]

least in poe we mug a dead dude

xD

[turbid dome]

no elder gasper in the end of time has been there for a while and collected knowledge from other travelers (which are alt timeline us) that he then gives to us

[tardy mirage]

op

[quiet hearth]

He says they are different versions of us from other timelines

[turbid dome]

it used to be more explict and had us do a mini zone and talk to a shade of us from a different timeline to get the mastery

[quiet hearth]

Gods I hated that

[tardy mirage]

nah dude just saying that so you dont feel guilty

xD

[alpine canopy]

mmm not quite knowledge

[quiet hearth]

I erase entire timelines of enemies for loot, I do not feel guilt

[turbid dome]

thats why he warns you about the shades overwhelming you

[turbid dome]

evil void knowledge moment

[tardy mirage]

i miss the 0.9 act 1 where most of what happened was just accidental lel

[quiet hearth]

plot twist, we are urobyss

[tardy mirage]

just chasing this dude then accidently end up in ruined era xD

[alpine canopy]

he literally channels a bunch of alternate versions of you that didn't work out so well so you can absorb their power (like what that Gaspar did to all the other Gaspars)

[turbid dome]

true

[quiet hearth]

It's a funny way to say, he took all the scrubs that died and never came back to the game and is hoping we dont suck as bad

[tardy mirage]

dude got more faith than i do kek

[alpine canopy]

Apparently it works, of the minority of people that make it to mastery, a good number of those apparently end up completing the campaign and some monos

[turbid dome]

cause they want to see their cool lvl 40 or 50 ability

[quiet hearth]

Peer pressured into saving the world

[turbid dome]

but not really

yet

[alpine canopy]

What if it's real? Each time you level an alt character you just killed a bunch of totally innocent casuals

👀

[quiet hearth]

They should of thought of that before they got health bars

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

yo when did engi get meme rights?

[turbid dome]

I need that with a terror crown

[turbid dome]

don't make me go find a real stinker

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

nvm found another prismatic shrine

[quiet hearth]

You will never find my secret builds engi

[turbid dome]

I'm using anomaly as a main damage skill

I don't need your secrect builds

[quiet hearth]

I didnt even have an attack skill

[turbid dome]

retaliate gaming

[quiet hearth]

Negative

[turbid dome]

retribution gaming

[quiet hearth]

negative

[turbid dome]

rebuke gaming

[quiet hearth]

that is a spell

[turbid dome]

hmmm

[quiet hearth]

but it wasnt even sent xD

[turbid dome]

minion gaming

[quiet hearth]

Honestly I dont know if I could even make it again, it was way back in like .7

[autumn knot]

tfw 31 exalted body armours drop from a boss kill and none of them are what I need lol

[quiet hearth]

One day they will give Primalist a fire melee attack and I will never play another build

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

erm fire earthquake hammer 💅

[quiet hearth]

EQ costs too much mana

[turbid dome]

sorry is that something I'm too void knight to understand

[quiet hearth]

pretty much

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Also you dont need the hammer, EQ has a built in conversion

[turbid dome]

dang

[alpine canopy]

But it is still a fire melee attack, and EQ is definitely a great skill

[quiet hearth]

not when Im trying to spam dots xD

[turbid dome]

with the axe and shield set that need a fire melee attack right

[quiet hearth]

yep

[alpine canopy]

it is not good for applying ailments, but it can technically do a lot of DOT damage

[quiet hearth]

Right, and the point is to scale that stupid set

I also want them to rework stormbolt not be terrible

[tardy mirage]

wait stormbolt terrible? owo

[quiet hearth]

need more ways to generate the bolt stacks imo

[tardy mirage]

i mean you kinda just bypass the bolt stacks by getting extra sources of bolts

alongside the stacks

[quiet hearth]

which are few and far between, and you need stacks to combo with certain skills

[tardy mirage]

if you mean the tempest strike passive?

[quiet hearth]

Leap Attack, EQ

[tardy mirage]

o

ye nvm

[turbid dome]

the stuff egg applies to a unique is based on corruption right

[quiet hearth]

I think so?

[tardy mirage]

didnt think so but guess so

[alpine canopy]

You ever try that with cinder strike?

[turbid dome]

any idea toast?

[alpine canopy]

No, egg is the same everywhere

[turbid dome]

huzzah

omni egg time

here goes nothing

[quiet hearth]

Ive never seen an omni, I refuse to believe it's real

ENjoy your t1 minion dmg on that

[turbid dome]

nah we hitting bis

[alpine canopy]

owoBIS

[quiet hearth]

[turbid dome]

we need a new emote for that

wooo more than 90 vitality

10% MOAR DAMAGE TIME

[tardy mirage]

lol

[turbid dome]

man I love vk

[quiet hearth]

We need an item that converts ravaging aura to fire, or just you know, let the fire conversion node do it

[turbid dome]

as long as I can convert healing hands into a void dmg spell

[quiet hearth]

Hh needs zero buffs but that would be a good unique idea

[turbid dome]

*just the fire dmg spell part of it

this thing

[quiet hearth]

Could take away the electrify part and make it void, future strike maybe? XD

[turbid dome]

tbh all future strike needs to be viable is have this give like 20% per point

or a node in the second have of vk that converts something else to future strike chance

[quiet hearth]

Yeah 10pts is too steep

[turbid dome]

like bleed chance -> future strike chance

its the only infinite stacking void dot and this node is its only generic source

granted the other source is anomaly

its very silly

[quiet hearth]

If we ever get the skill glyph system there is a LOT of space there for fun stuff

[turbid dome]

true

[alpine canopy]

Future strike could be better than all the other ailments and it might still be mid

[turbid dome]

node in the back of vk, your chance to slow is converted to future strike chance for all skills

given a number of void stuff gets inherent slow chance

[alpine canopy]

It is a really neat concept that I wish maybe was used a bit more, but 3s is too long imo

[turbid dome]

quicksand gaming

or make cycle of decay make all future strikes be considered from anomaly so they all get the 400% pen

[quiet hearth]

Most of all sent needs proper phys support

[turbid dome]

rive gaming

[quiet hearth]

Not really on that one, or wp

That's how bad phys is for sent right now a 50% pen node can't carry it

[turbid dome]

rive can make any damage type work

[alpine canopy]

imo the double echo chance for rive gotta go

[turbid dome]

fair

but ):

[tardy mirage]

nuuu

[turbid dome]

as long as I get something that kills me but rapidly increases echo chance

[alpine canopy]

Something that gives a boost to echo chance, while also making echoes consume % current health 👀

[tardy mirage]

nah

[quiet hearth]

Not really, that node is fine imo rives area isn't winning awards exactly

[tardy mirage]

make it increase dmg taken ... cuz if its health you could just undo it with volatile reversal

xD

every echo gives you a 5-10 second debuff that makes you take like 5% more dmg

stacking

[quiet hearth]

Forever it never leaves

Even if you die, punished for your hubris

[turbid dome]

also ranged builds have so much easier boss fights

just damn

[tardy mirage]

gotta say it the other way around

xD

melee has it rough

[turbid dome]

sure here it is 180-ed

bosses have so much easier time killing melee builds

hmm

[quiet hearth]

In all fairness, I havent put together a phys WP yet, so maybe Im judging it too harshly based on the numbers

[turbid dome]

phys rive works cause its rive and you can echo it without making it be void

also levithan carver is silly in the same way apathy's maw is

[quiet hearth]

I wouldnt say it works well though

[turbid dome]

eh

[quiet hearth]

By rive standards

[turbid dome]

it did kinda die with flamedrinker getting a cap

by rive standards

[quiet hearth]

Also, abyssal endurance needs a nerf

[turbid dome]

but why

[quiet hearth]

That right there, it's one of the best defensive nodes in the game xD

Though I'd rather other nodes be brought up to that standard honestly, but I could definitely see the case for it at least being moved deeper into the tree

[turbid dome]

make it give +1 vitality per point and no flat health

[quiet hearth]

No

[turbid dome]

but funnie straight upgrade

[quiet hearth]

oh definitely XD

[turbid dome]

no like literally straight upgrade if your a vk

+1 vit per point and + 4 void res per point 🤔

no phys res

[quiet hearth]

I was just messing around, it's fine, on the stronger end of fine but fine.

I mean pally gets a triple dmg and pen node, and attunement plus ele res right out the gate

[turbid dome]

at least its not bricked

[quiet hearth]

Cyclone of war in WP, all those bonuses are global yeah?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[quiet hearth]

So DW is probobly the best bet, DW mace and sword for pen and crit

[turbid dome]

that eats a lot of points but yeah

[quiet hearth]

I mean, what else am I gonna spend them on in WP?

[turbid dome]

warriror's fury fun tiems

[quiet hearth]

that is such a bad node to me

[turbid dome]

but its fun

with VR for mana sustain

[quiet hearth]

'sustain'

[turbid dome]

Spin for 3. 5 seconds -> go back in time

Blam mana is back

[quiet hearth]

mana is instantly gone again

[turbid dome]

VR again

Ez

[quiet hearth]

not in that time frame

[turbid dome]

Wicked made it work

[quiet hearth]

Function, not work, if Im spinning to win, I dont want to stop to press other buttons

[turbid dome]

Damn the one button strat

It comes for us all

[quiet hearth]

blame the carpal tunnel lol

[turbid dome]

Valid

[quiet hearth]

one day I will wear a belt that isnt spidersilk sash, but not today

[alpine canopy]

Just that it's overbearing and makes it really hard to use rive as anything other than VK

echoes on their own are already really strong

[quiet hearth]

It doesn't at all, it's certainly the best on VK, but Rive slaps even without it

[alpine canopy]

That's the point

[quiet hearth]

And my point is that Rive is still like 8/10 without echoes

I think I might actually be looking at using peak ofthe mountain for this dw thing

[turbid dome]

hey rive is great at that too

[quiet hearth]

Like Rive is so good, you can take out some of it's notes and it still functions, like Rive is still good even without the 2h nonsese or the echoes. It's a good bar that other skills need to be measured up to, for melee at least.

It would need to some serious gear, but I think I can hit 100% crit/560 multi with about 75% phys pen with this

[turbid dome]

rive's biggest thing is the swing hitbox isn't vengance or multi strike

[tardy mirage]

wish multistrike was like rive owo

sideways slash

[quiet hearth]

If you take the area nodes it feels a LOT better in that regard

honestly if MS just had a node that said, one of your extra swords could stab bosses and rares, it'd be fine

[turbid dome]

your extra swords can stab the thing your main attack hits if there are no other things to stab

50% less extra sword stacks

[quiet hearth]

Or just, they deal less dmg against the big guys but functions normally

[turbid dome]

thats probs better

your extra swords can target the thing you hit, if there is nothing left to hit the remaining swords will hit what you hit, but they deal 50% less dmg to the thing you hit

[quiet hearth]

I forgot MS also gets 50% phys pen

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

but MS really just exisits so you dont have to self cast FS right now

[tardy mirage]

when FS still cant 100% weapons in its own tree

[quiet hearth]

Replace scrap metal with the MS node that uses FS

[tardy mirage]

yes im saying you shouldnt need that if you spec into the rate passive for 100%

rn you can only get like 80% on bosses and 40-45% on kill

[turbid dome]

I mean FG could have a passive tree node that doubles forged weapons chance

[quiet hearth]

FG just needs more passive support for minions in general

[alpine canopy]

It goes up to 100% on bosses, but MS is still better of course

[quiet hearth]

I mean, the trade off is FS can hit like a truck

Now we just need smelters to be....anything other than what it is

a good step would be having it be a circle by default

Then impose a big MS penalty so I can at least drag myself out of all these dmging ground effects while still being a murder hobo

[tardy mirage]

60% + 25% base

[quiet hearth]

Actually, the detonating ground in FS would go well in smelters, move that and give smelters something else

[alpine canopy]

It gets the other +15%, too (alt text makes it clear)

[cobalt blade]

ITZA TWAP :V

[turbid dome]

make smelters wrath be a ground stomp that goes from small ring around you -> bigger ring -> erasing strike sized ring -> screen wide damage ring (with a node or something from its tree)

based on charge time

[cobalt blade]

this also says NO to warslash variant

also the spin to Void Cleave variant

actually can you go warslash + empowered void cleave :o

[alpine canopy]

Definitely (not sure if it's good though)

Is probably fun at least, since VC

[cobalt blade]

hmm release within the 3rd second

warslash cap at 5s yea?

[alpine canopy]

Something like that, you can hold WP as long as you want as long as it's over 2s

[cobalt blade]

🤔

yea releasing at 3rd second and you cant cap the 5s benefits

but thats alot more micro managing

for a warpath build

but its nice u can spec VC more offensively than just a traversal skill

[alpine canopy]

Warslash does the most dps released at 2s

[cobalt blade]

in term of frequency vs capped benefit ratio?

[alpine canopy]

Just in terms of, you get the same damage boost every second, but the first two seconds effectively get an extra "100% more" by getting a new warslash

[cobalt blade]

i see

i guess its fine to release at 3s to also proc VC

2 big CLEAVE every 3s

[alpine canopy]

You don't need to release at 3s, you can release at 2s for max dps, or release at 5s for biggest burst, doesn't matter too much

Or release at 10s because you didn't realize the next pack would be so far away 😔

[cobalt blade]

ouch

but gotta release at 2-3s if u wanna proc VC momentum too

wonder how echo looks like

with 2 cleaves

[alpine canopy]

Nah, just any time after 2s