🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

Tho the full sentinel update is next cycle

also vk now loves vitality even more

[wary vessel]

ahh nice

[quiet hearth]

Sadly even with the buff I'd still say pally and VK are better overall. FG has some really good stuff but a lot of really meh stuff

[tardy mirage]

FG getting carried by bugs rn sadge

[tranquil nimbus]

a lot of the really good Forge Guard stuff is also in the first half of the tree, so you don't need to specialize in Forge Guard to get the benefit. I'm currently running a Paladin with almost half my points in Forge Guard

[tardy mirage]

i just stole the bleed and block kek

[tranquil nimbus]

I'm running Manifest Armor so I have something to heal, so I also took armor shred and armor and other nodes in FG

[tardy mirage]

pretty much the only thing good about FG is that phantom grip massively bugged in our favor

im scared if it worked as intend forge weapons will suck like they did in 1.0 cuz nothing else changed

forge weapons need their own entire tree lowkey xD

where do you even put those extra 4 points from forge strike? theres like barely even enough for the 20 point minion setup xD

everything else is like the actual skill ...the hammer/anvil that falls

[quiet hearth]

Not really FG even without the bugs is still really good, just it's unique skills dont really pull their weight. Though Bleed FS is pretty funny

[chilly peak]

FG seem to perform really nice in arena tho, or?
Only mobile currently, but iirc last 1p Sentinel ladder was led by a FG and current 1p all class ladder is led by a FG (both SC). Iirc both around 1,5k waves, which is quite a lot

[tardy mirage]

bug and 1 shot weapon

neither of which are FG lel

[south ledge]

does fresh from the forge passive work for the forged weapons?

[tardy mirage]

no

[alpine canopy]

The throwing stuff on FG is super solid

[turbid dome]

⚒️

[warped night]

boss stunlocking is fun https://i.imgur.com/azLbbLf.mp4

I doubt I'll be able to keep this up as I push corr, but it's fun while it lasts

[heavy ore]

So I'm doing something stupid but kinda fun. I decided to go FG instead of VK this time but still ran with dreamthorn because I somehow always get one.

Wound up with phantom grip, arboreal circuit, and darkstride too. So it was forge strike, void cleave, manifest armor. Real fun but not survivable.

Just swapped over from void cleave to smite because I got Palarus' Sacred Light. So basically now I'm a one man dubstep (forge strike drop) rave with my own lightshow (autocast smite spam) and backup dancers (forged weapons). Add in an experimental glove that gains me ward for missing health and I'm in this really weird survivability window. Especially if I run a chest that does like half of all incoming damage in reflect.

[sleek pebble]

Sorry to respond to an old message but yes. Its named after my real life lizard named Pig

[turbid dome]

You can’t say that and not send a photo of pig

🦎

[sleek pebble]

(~~pet ~~ pig tax)

[turbid dome]

Give that lil dude some berries

[weak yoke]

That description made me smile 😂

[heavy ore]

gets better. Turns out I didn't even properly select the smite node in multistrike. That was just Palarus doing its thing. Now that I've got that node activated it's crazy

[turbid dome]

[south ledge]

man forged weapons got really strong, but FG survivability.....

damage is good but the survivability just makes it hard

[tardy mirage]

still massively bugged

[waxen nymph]

How do you sustain?
Imo this is the hardest part

[tardy mirage]

prob healing hands procced off of multistrike?

[waxen nymph]

Regen with the Set Helmet is good too

[tardy mirage]

if only you didnt need the weapon to get the extra forged weapons from the set

[waxen nymph]

The regen from the helmet is really nice

[toxic light]

So i kinda just lucked into this for a future void knight probably erasing strike xD. Outside of Void melee damage T7 what would you guys reccomend trying to get on it from the exalt?

[south ledge]

yeah to stay alive is the hardest

[turbid dome]

if your going for 100% crit chance perma es spam, I'd sad flat crit chance

[south ledge]

im using healing hands for movement and recovery

[toxic light]

yeah probably infinite mana shenanigans with 100% crit

[turbid dome]

Basically yeah since you got max roll on the flat crit per mana cost, flat void dmg + flat melee crit would be great

Would barely need any %increased crit chance so you can spend those slots on other stuff (like mana)

Granted I’d weigh flat crit over flat melee void given if something doesn’t die in one bonk you have a lot more bonks ready to go

[south ledge]

@waxen nymph https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3MXblRQ current setup, still many things to improve

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (66) / Paladin (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,469, Regen: 38.23/s
▸ Mana: 281.5, Regen: 16.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 60 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 124% / 78% / 145% / 79% / 73% / 72%
▸ EHP: 5,170 / 5,170 / 5,170 / 6,658 / 5,170 / 5,068 / 5,019

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 563
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (29)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (2,881)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 0% (0)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (27)
• Manifest Armor (27)
• Void Cleave (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Healing Hands (21)

Used unique items:

• Swaddling of the Erased
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[turbid dome]

Manafused on is also an angle, but given you can get mana on most gear it is a little wasteful to get it on your weapon

[waxen nymph]

Imo either you do Manifest Armor, or you do Forged Weapons

[south ledge]

@waxen nymph probably true. But what to replace it with? I'm thinking about sigils of hope or multistrike to spawn weapons faster

or vengeance for survivability

[toxic light]

I guess a Crit % on weapon would save me 57 required crit %

[waxen nymph]

If you are going FW Multistrike, it will give you a lot of sustain since you will be proccing HH a lot more

You also don't have any crit Mitigation

I dont know what kind of content you are running but this is a bad idea

[turbid dome]

the strength of flat mlee crit is you don't need as much mana cost

so its easier to go infinite

[south ledge]

I'm at 250 corruption right now @waxen nymph

[waxen nymph]

Then you definitely need to start looking into it

Try Multistrike

[toxic light]

that was with 15+ on mana cost but yeah kinda comes down to what would be worth getting on other items

[south ledge]

respecced already

let's see

thanks

[toxic light]

less mana overall ofc, but side bonus of more mana cost i guess is the increased area

[turbid dome]

ah

don't forget to calc in avatar of regret (if you have it)

[toxic light]

yeah the 10% increase from avatar was accounted for

But yeah its not like i "have it" yet im just kinda just thinking ahead since i first need to level a voidknight. Its still a lvl 1 sentinel on my char select :P

[turbid dome]

lol

level with warpath for a brainless + easy fun time

I reccomend a dreamthorn if you got one

[waxen nymph]

Smite lvl with Palarus is also super good

[toxic light]

I just started thinking about it cause i just randomly happend to get that 2 lp world splitter out of nowhere.. Like it was my 2nd drop of that unique xD But yeah brainless levling sounds nice once i get around to it

Currently having a good time on my Crulety Doom brand necromancer atm and getting that properly geard, void knight probably next after especially if i can get a good slam on that world splitter

[leaden crater]

Aberroth’s Command is wild

Though void cleaving with just your mind is kinda disappointing

[hollow tulip]

does palarus's sacred light stack with the perk points in the warpath skill tree or does it get in the way of it

[turbid dome]

what like the cast smite while warpathing node?

[alpine canopy]

It does not interact in any way

so in other words, it stacks

[cobalt blade]

I wish I can be brainless with warrior's fury

[turbid dome]

just get more mana regen ez

[cobalt blade]

I am 2x sentinel'a base mana regen and its not enough

[waxen nymph]

Do you have the mana gain with a 2h node?

[cobalt blade]

Dark Nexus? Nope. Very skill points taxing

[waxen nymph]

Thought so

Btw
Wiiiickeeeddd!!!

How are you doing on this fine morning? (on my side of the planet at least)

[tranquil nimbus]

so... I'm testing the interaction between smite and healing hands...

the Hand of Aurelus node in the Healing Hands tree lets you trigger healing hands whenever you cast smite.
The Divine Catalyst node casts divine bolts whenever you cast healing hands and heal.
The Sacrifice node in the Smite tree consumes health to empower smite.
I can get smite to consistently lower my health so there's something to heal, and I can get healing hands to consistently trigger on smite to heal me (with caveats), but I can't seem to get divine bolts to consistently trigger on healing hands healing me.

[tranquil nimbus]

anyone have insight into this, with as popular as healing hands and smite are, I feel like I'm probably replicating the work someone else has already done

[gusty abyss]

You have to manually cast healing hands, triggered wont proc it

[tranquil nimbus]

that's the odd thing, when I manually cast healing hands, it does nothing because I'm not missing health, but my next cast of smite triggers healing hands and triggers divine bolts, as long as I've alternated casting healing hands

I'm not wearing gear that consumes hp to generate ward, so that's not a variable, I literally can't trigger divine bolts on the dummy just casting healing hands

but if I alternate healing hands and smite, smite will proc divine bolts, but not every cast

just alternating

[cobalt blade]

Vladdddddddd . Your morning is my 2pm . Me gud, doing okay at work. Wish i can Erasing Strike the time away. Its abit slow

[gusty abyss]

It used to be that only the left most dummy works as a proper enemy. Not sure if they ever updated it.

[tranquil nimbus]

hadn't considered problems with the dummies themselves

thanks, I'll retest

same result, smite will divine bolts through healing hands on health consumption if alternated with casting healing hands

not sure it's worth anything more than a 'huh' as I have no intention of trying to alternate every cast

[gusty abyss]

Which makes perfect sense, as triggered healing hands can't as it specifies direct usage.

[tranquil nimbus]

no, it'd make perfect sense if the healing hands was causing the divine bolts on the healing hands cast... what's happening is

direct cast healing hands -> no divine bolts
direct cast smite -> trigger healing hands, trigger divine bolts

[gusty abyss]

I cant see that happening myself, only the 20% chance on melee hit passive procs it when healing hands is converted to melee.

[tranquil nimbus]

I respecced several times to try different setups... it works with homeward (cast on self if not on ally)

and it works with conversion to melee

it also works without homeward or conversion to melee if you're close enough to be healed by the healing hands aoe

now to test with palarus

[tranquil nimbus]

so i tried specced with both the melee healing hands node and the channelled healing hands node at the same time so I could get data on per cast/attack

if I just hold down the button and channel 4 healing hands melee attacks a second, you're right, you only get the divine bolt procs from the passives on the paladin tree

but if I alternate casting smite and attacking with healing hands, I can consistently proc divine bolts with every healing hands attack

I dont know how to use the information, because holding down both buttons just gets stuck on casting one or the other, not both alternating

::shrugs::

[waxen nymph]

@tranquil nimbus sorry I am a bit lazy and don't want to read your whole convo. What is it you are trying to do with Smite HH and Divine Bolts?

[alpine canopy]

The HOT from your direct cast HH might often heal you between the time when sacrifice removes some of your health and when the procced HH overwrites it. If a HOT tick happens within that small window, then your directly casted HH will have then healed you and apparently procs the divine bolts.

(Lingering warmth doesn't say how often it ticks, so safe to assume it heals every 0.25s)

[autumn knot]

😮

[quiet hearth]

When is the event over again?

[autumn knot]

is that when the cycle ends too and 1.2 comes?

or do the imperial legion enemies just go away

[autumn knot]

Gotta find a T7 block chance, craft a good enough shield with it, then slam and pray lol

[quiet hearth]

1.2 is next year iirc, so just the event I think

[autumn knot]

ah I see

I wouldn't mind it being the same minus those enemies. They don't feel rewarding enough and instead they're just dangerous and cause frame drops

[turbid dome]

tbh once the event is over Im probs just gonna wait till next cycle

[autumn knot]

I feel that bc it's basically just 1.1 again at that point. Personally imma keep going bc I started this game toward the end of 1.1. And I've also got hardcore goals I'm still chasing ;_;

[quiet hearth]

I just found that squirrel helm so that is what Im gonna be doing, Ive been looking forever

[turbid dome]

Fair

[turbid dome]

Have fun 🐿️

[quiet hearth]

I have been hunting for that thing since it's release and havent seen it.

[turbid dome]

its extremely fun

[quiet hearth]

Mostly doing it out of spite as I normally do not like minion builds

[turbid dome]

we need an item that lets you summon combat Groles

[quiet hearth]

That's what summon crab should have been

[waxen nymph]

Damn! I am getting slapped

Empowered is though on my VK

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/pvtvlad/character/voidcaster

[rancid lantern]

Question

[turbid dome]

answer

[waxen nymph]

I got the question in my dm

[waxen nymph]

Lets pray

🎃🎃🎃

Where is my t7 Spell Crit and t5 Cast Speed ?

[alpine canopy]

💀

[waxen nymph]

Well thats an extra ailment

Silverlining

[alpine canopy]

Better than a 0 LP ladle

[waxen nymph]

Sure is

I thought I had Survivability issues

Turns out I was killing myslef with Smite

Now that I play a Spell VK I miss the old Mad Laddle

[alpine canopy]

Ooh, sneaky smite

definitely has gotten me, too, probably more than once lol

[hollow tulip]

yay thats what i wanted to know ty

[cobalt blade]

Gratz... I slammed like 6 to get what i want. Good luck!

[autumn knot]

Yeah I'm scared I'm gonna farm for a T7 block chance T5 block effectiveness and then get the other two poopy suffixes

block chance is essential

slammed like 3 other LP1s and failed to get T6 block chance on it

[chilly peak]

The reason why I never got a T7 shield in 1.1
Bricked around a dozen Flayers 🥲

[autumn knot]

I'd be happy with a solid T6 block chance, T5 other 3 stats Ironglass Shield too tbh

but even then those are rare to come by

usually run out of forging potential by then

[chilly peak]

Yes, a really good exalt is rare sometimes

[autumn knot]

or they come with like T5 dumb affixes

I lost a good shield before on an old HC character lol

[chilly peak]

Btw, whats your lvl, hows things going?

[autumn knot]

Good. I think I've lost 3 characters so far, a lv 76, 83, and 93

currently lv 86

[chilly peak]

rip

[autumn knot]

first one died to a T2 julra that I just sat in the stupid beams bc I mismanaged volatile reversal & the time warp switch button

then I died to Lagon bc I thought I was safe bringing him down to 0% HP in phase 1

but he was still immune phase and beamed me

then 93... died to a pack of ramping gorgons at 250 corruption where I touched a poison nado for literally 1 second

dropped from 3700 HP, aurora's popped, then the ward AND health part of it dropped to 0 all within 1 second

[cobalt blade]

This is my flayer now. Pretty happy with it because all the innate rolls were at the higher end

[autumn knot]

not bad honestly. anything below T6 block chance feels sketch to me though

[chilly peak]

Yeah just remove VR in Sanctum! (as HC player)

[autumn knot]

though I'm sure the damage you get from running a flayers is insane

I haven't had the chance to try the shield yet bc I can't swap to it until I get a decent slam

[cobalt blade]

Didnt get t7 block chance cuz i am at ~93% block chance with conditional block chance

[chilly peak]

It is! But also it is not needed

[autumn knot]

it was my first time playing with the skill, so I kinda just brain farted honestly. Haven't had an issue with the ability since

[chilly peak]

It is bugged in that Boss-fight, glad I learned in SC

[autumn knot]

I tried a torment warlock for a bit too, but I love the progression of bleed hammerdin

just feels nice

torment warlock goes online a lot sooner though

[autumn knot]

Yeah it's really weird if you switch time periods then VR

[cobalt blade]

You get stuck at some corner with pool

[autumn knot]

bc it wants to put you 2 (or more) seconds back in time into the previous timeline lol

yeah I learned that the hard way on that first character in HC

[cobalt blade]

Ouch..

[autumn knot]

it's all good though

on my 4th bleed hammerdin now. managed to reach 250 corruption and lv 93

already lv 86. it's going aite

every new run gets better

y'all some HC masochists too?

[chilly peak]

Yeah was the same start for me. And still lost 2 chars this season already, one 100 and a lvl 82.

[autumn knot]

ooooof not the lv 100 ;_;

at least you made it there

[chilly peak]

Rank 5 leveling ^^

[autumn knot]

damn sick

I'm not experienced in this game enough to be racing haha

[chilly peak]

Now preping 2 chars for Arena, almost there

[autumn knot]

I still haven't run a single arena

seems like it's there mostly for a score/ranking?

feel like empowered monos is the true end game

[chilly peak]

yes, just show off

[autumn knot]

rewards any good?

[chilly peak]

Almost not existing

[autumn knot]

nice 😄

btw on your journey to lv 100, what's the highest corruption you pushed?

I hear some people stop at around 200

and set up the mods to give extra XP and just run the same echo

[chilly peak]

*Beacon

[autumn knot]

^ ye

[chilly peak]

Run usually around 220-250.
Made 260-270 max for rank8 Forgotten Knights

[autumn knot]

yeah I like rank 8

9/10 don't really matter to me

that's good to know so I have some frame of reference

I was afraid that like... lvs 98-100 would be so insanely grindy that you'd need corruption 400 or something to make it worthwhile

dunno how the balance feels in terms of grindiness for XP

[chilly peak]

99 -> 100 was like 3-4h, not ran too fast (170c Broken Hills Beacon from a friend)

[autumn knot]

that's actually not too bad

[chilly peak]

Need to work a bit now. Leave a ping for questions.
Don't rip 🙏

[turbid dome]

Have a good time at work

[cobalt blade]

Engiiiiiiiii

Event ending. You gonna meepo away till 1.2? Meepo to whr?

[autumn knot]

Thanks! It's 11 PM for me here in US-West. Going to bed haha. I'll rip tomorrow 😉

[turbid dome]

Poe2 mostly

[autumn knot]

Nov 15 right?

Big day

[cobalt blade]

Everyone have access? I thought restricted

[autumn knot]

isn't it Early Access? Which means anyone can join?

rather than like a closed beta

[cobalt blade]

Idk.. some say buy to play

[turbid dome]

The early access is buy to play it

[cobalt blade]

When it is fully released then f2p

[turbid dome]

Granted it’s buy an mtx package

and get an early access code

Like they did with poe1

[glad pebble]

Any multi strike users here ?!

[waxen nymph]

It's good to summon Weapons

Or Smite

[waxen nymph]

88 Vitality ! 2 More and I reach the 90 Threshold

Also running around Perma Haste with 103% MS is so good

[cobalt blade]

Go faz and go healthy!

[unique vessel]

what build?

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

Ima guess that’s a wizard vk

[azure musk]

Yeah, i am

[unique vessel]

whats that?

[waxen nymph]

Dorb +Smite

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/pvtvlad/character/voidcaster

90 Vit doubles the bonus from Dorb giving 20% Global More Dmg

[turbid dome]

on top of giving your spells an unethical amount of flat damage

[waxen nymph]

I just swapped my regular wand for a Mad Ladle, and with all the flat I have my dmg went up considerabely

[unique vessel]

wow i didnt know such a build existed and worked. Is it doing fine on higher corruption? Bossdmg?

[waxen nymph]

I just reached Empowered

And I can see the weaknesses coming

Its fun and super fast so far though

[turbid dome]

it used to be a lot stronger before the mad ladle nerf

[waxen nymph]

I have put a pt into Void Aegis, after we talked about Engi

I have to admit I did felt a difference

For 1pt its really effective

[turbid dome]

ye

we love effects that get more consistent the more mobs there are

[waxen nymph]

Hum... No Spell Crit/Vitality or All Attribute craftable on Ring

Annoying

[turbid dome]

coral rings ❤️

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[unique vessel]

red rings? 😅

[waxen nymph]

Those big end game chase items are too "expensives" for me

I dont play enough or push enough or even try to get one

Currently I amrunning an Exalted Coral Ring and Orian

For the Exalted I am debating between Phantom Grip for the Base Crit or Crab Ring

[turbid dome]

Crab ring has the biggest upside in the world

🦀

[waxen nymph]

Yeah but I cant roll anymore

I have became addicted to it

[unique vessel]

yeah evade is so good on a lot of builds

[turbid dome]

true

[waxen nymph]

Remember that beauty ?

Just reached lvl 85 and crafting didnt go as well as planned

[chilly peak]

Ouch

Well known story tho

[waxen nymph]

Still a very nice piece

But that t1 hp .... 😢

[turbid dome]

;-;

it had so much forging potentinal

[harsh nova]

fbm

i used 50 fp on a single stat once

[turbid dome]

sadly yeah

I wish a random craft wouldn't sometimes just eat like 20+ forging potentinal

its just super feels bad

[waxen nymph]

I wish we could hit our DOrb to procc the Void Rifts

[turbid dome]

gimmie a silly ring that makes a DOrbs last forever (can have a max of 3 at once) and they float after me

or let VK steal black hole from sorc, I promise I can be trusted with that

[waxen nymph]

float after me ? Wdym ?

[turbid dome]

like turn the DOrbs into pseudo minions

[waxen nymph]

Oh!

Because the can already float around you

[turbid dome]

yeah, my brain was thinking just float after you, not the orbiting node

so like a conga line of you and the orbs

[waxen nymph]

xD

[turbid dome]

mostly cause I think wizard vk would really appreciate a few more projectiles to shoot

probs tack something on like the orbs drain mana per second, making them end if you fall under x% mana

[heavy ore]

Yknow I keep wanting to like multistrike, especially pulling mad smite shenanigans, but rive is just that much better at everything. It does way more damage, out-heals even smite spam, and doesn't care if you're fighting one big bad or a horde.

[glad pebble]

What's endgame like with multi?

[heavy ore]

Then again maybe it's my own fault for mixing the sunforged and forgotten sets

[waxen nymph]

Probably yes xD

Do you mind Sharing you profile ?

You got me very curious

[turbid dome]

Rive go brrr

I shudder to imagine how sentinel would play without rive

[warped night]

it would be bonk knight, warpath, and smite mostly

man, fg still feels so frail

the passive rework did so little to actually make it tanky unless you're using a shield

[turbid dome]

Even on bonk and warpath, rive is great as a filler till you fix your mana

[turbid dome]

Correct

Sadly

[warped night]

why are they so afraid of making fg durable

like okay, idea: threshold bonus in the capstone that gives 1 endurance threshold per 20 armor rating or something

also maybe add armor applies at 100% effectiveness to all damage types to the mastery bonus

just like, something

the avatar of war bonus is just straight bad

it's also crazy to me that I have 81% armor damage reduction yet I still see my health melt away to random hits from trash mobs. it just feels like it's not working properly

[heavy ore]

Tell me about it. I went with forge weapons->ward, multistrike->smite, and Palarus and it was still not enough. The really pathetic thing is just rive by itself is still better at keeping up HP and mana.

[turbid dome]

Cause a lot of things don’t do physical damage so you really have like 50% dr from armor

Or 55% ? I can’t do math in my head that well

Plus dots are very spooky

[turbid dome]

That’s like the one benefit of converting damage to physical but we get like no where near enough

Spending a helmet/body armor prefix on converting a single dmg type to phys hurts

poison to phys is a good convert, entirely to help deal with dot

[warped night]

there really should be some all damage converted to physical somewhere in the tree

it would also be cool if forge strike got different bonuses based on the weapon type you're using like the master of arms passive

[waxen nymph]

Imo the affixes should be Elemental Dmg to Phys and Mystical? Dmg (Necro, Void and Poison) to Phys

Having it for every Res is so bad

[alpine canopy]

Even if it was "% of non-phys damage taken as phys" it would be a hard sell for me tbh
(well, maybe not that hard of a sell lol)

[waxen nymph]

And so expensive

[warped night]

yeah the amount of trade-off required to get those affixes would mean you're taking more hits anyways because you do so much less damage

[waxen nymph]

I love the idea but I am not sure it has a place in LE (right now?)

[turbid dome]

you could call necro/void/poison torpidity resistances

[chilly peak]

Mystical is a nice term for that, I should keep that in mind

[turbid dome]

given all 3 have a vitality theme

poison directly affects the body, necrotic directly affects the soul, void directly affects the mind

[waxen nymph]

Doesn't know that Word

[turbid dome]

torpidity. noun. a state of motor and mental inactivity with a partial suspension of sensibility

[chilly peak]

Are you native speaker, Engi?

[turbid dome]

of english? yeah

now granted I was in speech therapy for like 14 years

[chilly peak]

I see
Hum, what is speech theraphy?

[turbid dome]

I was born with messed up vocal cords so I had trouble learning to speak

so like a physical inability to pronounce an s

[chilly peak]

Ah understand, yeah makes kinda sense. But ofc it doesn't affect your written English.

When you see daily the same names you (at least I do) sometimes think where the people might be from.

English and US peeps sometimes drop a rare word or term, so you can guess they might be natives 🙂

[turbid dome]

oh I've practiced + grown out of it by now in my life (the problem was vocal cords were too big for younger me)

I wont lie, I don't think I've used torpidity in a regular conversation but I love throwing in fancier words whenever I can

side note: I love how we have the 3 elements, physical, and then body/mind/soul as the other 3 dmg types

its so clean

[autumn knot]

never really considered that. pretty cool

[autumn knot]

New word unlocked:

[turbid dome]

cool words are fun, like gruntled

[autumn knot]

big word make brain go boom

[turbid dome]

cause its the opposite of disgruntled

[autumn knot]

my favorite part about disgruntled

is the prefix

no one ever uses gruntled lmao

[turbid dome]

ye

tho I hope i'm going to be gruntled about the sentinel update next cycle

[autumn knot]

should start a gruntled movement

[waxen nymph]

If Sentinel is not nearly as broken as Sorc is for 1.1, I am going to throw a massive tantrum

[tardy mirage]

sadly sentinel gonna be gutted

[turbid dome]

sentinel now has an affix that raises their resistance cap

monkeys paw curls, to a single resistance

[tardy mirage]

owo

[autumn knot]

resistance cap increase doesn't seem nearly as potent in this game compared to poe tho

or rather, resistances in general

[turbid dome]

or like phys resistance cap is just higher for sentinel so converting stuff to physical is more impactful

[tardy mirage]

warlock ... mark for death is inverted on you when you have any other curse on you

[autumn knot]

I'd like that as a thematic design

reminds me of PoE RF builds converting other forms of damage taken to fire

we do kinda have that system in LE already but idk if that stat is impactful enough to warrant replacing a different affix for it

[turbid dome]

my thought: each class gets 15 points to raise their resistance cap, so like mage gets 5 in fire/cold/lightning (80% cap each), sentinel gets all 15 in physical, primalist gets 10 in cold, 5 in physical, acolyte gets 10 in necrotic, 5 in poison, rogue gets 10 in poision, 5 phys?

[turbid dome]

the only benefit for converting to phys is having better armor effectiveness

so like if you convert 33% of a 100 dmg fire hit to phys, congrats that 33 dmg which is now phys is affected by armor at 100% effectiveness

*with the added boost if you have 100% conversion then you don't need that resistance anymore

[quiet hearth]

void obviously warps the body too though

[autumn knot]

just slammed my LP2 flayers

ill take it

would've preferred either of the other two mods

but T7 block chance hit. not gonna complain lol

[turbid dome]

I view it as cause and effect tho, you lose hope -> void gets into your head -> void corrupts you. See the elder panian fight from the campaign, dude was mentally messed up by the void before getting fully corrupted into a husk

[autumn knot]

yeah I think that'd be a cool system to bring out the characteristics of each class a bit more

[quiet hearth]

The void ate more people than it corrupted

[chilly peak]

What's your block rate with that Flayers?

[quiet hearth]

I also just cant get behind the time vault affix slams, not saying it's bad I just dont like having to fish for two items then fish for a good smash.

[autumn knot]

this is my trade off for the flayers rn

69% block chance rn (nice) with 2924 effectiveness

with flayers.. it becomes..

68% 2005 block

[turbid dome]

it does get boring when you line up like 10 slams then just have to run it

the new dungeon shrine helps a lot tho

[autumn knot]

I lose out on like 10% block effectiveness value and I miss out on the "10% reduced dmg taken on block" affix

[quiet hearth]

lol, rng, within rng, within rng

[autumn knot]

but ofc flayers has some defensive physical stats too

[warped night]

the shrine that creates a portal to the end? I've only seen it once and it didn't work when I hit it

[chilly peak]

Ah ok, in that case a nice dmg plus without loosing too much defense. But still probably not the Block rate I would want to have with that build usually.

You can cap with a T7 Block chance Ironglass quite "easy"

[turbid dome]

just like how its a % of a % of a % when dealing with a non-phys dot

[tardy mirage]

basically just more power to armour

[turbid dome]

? I see them a ton :c

[autumn knot]

yeah finding a T7 block chance ironglass is gonna take me a while. plus, I'd have to craft the rest of its stats well too ;_;

does this mean I can remove those points from Smite tree?

[chilly peak]

Yeah, I told you my story. Had such a good T6-Block Ironglass, that I could never overcome that

[turbid dome]

does the smite node say health cost or health consumed

[autumn knot]

if it works the way I think it does, I can take 4 or even 5 points out of that and put it somewhere else

[quiet hearth]

imo we need something in the middle, like melting down trash uniques that can enhance an item into getting lp or targeting affixes, but keep it from rolling the best tiers of things. You want big numba? Gotta gamba, otherwise here's 80% of that power

[warped night]

that interaction was bugged in that past. wouldn't be surprised if it still is

[chilly peak]

I never came to testing Flayers in deep. Only checked the damage, put it on my purchasing list and failed a dozen slams.
Ended the season with that T6 Ironglas 🙃

[turbid dome]

and the sac node itself says consumed

[autumn knot]

oh

[turbid dome]

honestly no idea I'd say go and test it

atonement does say health cost

[chilly peak]

Test it carefully at the dummy

It can't kill you there

[autumn knot]

NOPE doesn't work

[turbid dome]

tis a sad day when the science groles learn a terrible truth

[autumn knot]

man, if my flayers hit block effectiveness I 100% would've switched to it

but idk if just the block chance is enough ;_;

im shpooked

[warped night]

are you doing bleed hammer smite?

[autumn knot]

ye

[turbid dome]

I'd rather cap bock over not capped block with higher block DR

gotta avoid the POE block problem

[chilly peak]

Problem is that he plays HC. THere I'd rate Block chance over Block effect usually

[turbid dome]

I was saying capped block chance > bigger block effect

[warped night]

I would rate block chance over block effect in both HC and SC

[autumn knot]

same

[chilly peak]

Missread 🤦‍♂️

[turbid dome]

all good

just wait till I do that later

[waxen nymph]

It doesnt
This is Hp Consumed not Hp Cost despite what the second node says

99% sure it wont work

[turbid dome]

we did a science and it didn't work

[waxen nymph]

Alright

[turbid dome]

the science groles mourn on this day

[waxen nymph]

But yeah
Cost =/= Consumed
And also poor wording

[autumn knot]

after my testing, I forgot to remove the smite idols, went into a map, and almost killed myself on accident lol

[turbid dome]

that woulda been a tragic slip

[autumn knot]

yeup lol

[warped night]

I just realized, but manifest armor with the increased effects from boots paired with suloron's step would absolute nuke its phys res wouldn't it

[tardy mirage]

instant death to sneeze

ye -75 x 3.4

[warped night]

pretty funny

yuge crit multi though

[tardy mirage]

true

now give forge guard a passive that you and the armour share damage taken

xD

then you can croak with it lel

[autumn knot]

Any tips on how to use a Glyph of Insight to get a good % armor --> dot mitigation affix on gloves?

the tooltip says there are ways to manipulate a certain mod type and tier

[tardy mirage]

use a calculator

[autumn knot]

o

google time

[tardy mirage]

ye idk what but there is one somewhere for that

[autumn knot]

"Total affix tiers - affix count = 2, Armor/DOT" on gloves

sick

[warped night]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/insight

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, pretty sure this is or has been used in some MA builds, but bleed is probably better and doesn't suffer that phys res penalty

[autumn knot]

oh that's better

I can only glyph of insight a T5 experimental mod if it crit succeeds?

[alpine canopy]

I thought T5 experimentals were more locked behind having a sealed affix, but idk since I never bother with insights lol

[autumn knot]

was messing around with the calculator and it seems like you'd need a very high amount of total affix tiers (specifically three T7s + a T2 sealed affix) to guarantee a T5 experimental upon glyph of insight use

[turbid dome]

seems fairly easy given how nemisus works

[autumn knot]

true, lemme just go do a nemesis and get my god tier BiS eternal gauntlets 😂

[turbid dome]

I mean if I'm huntin' for a specific thing from nemi (like a scorned scepter) I just murder him to see 4 new things each time

then empower once it hits the thing I want

[autumn knot]

I just banish if it's bad

it's still pretty rare to get good bases to appear though

[turbid dome]

given its not boosted its like 3 seconds to murder the nemisus to death

do i grab the stuff? not really no

[sturdy kettle]

why i alwasy get rank 5 drop guys? xD

also still 3 prefixes 🙂

[waxen nymph]

Thats 3 suffixes

[sturdy kettle]

ah yeah, my bad

I met so many 3 pre/suf drop

[waxen nymph]

Did you get it from the Echoes reward ?

[waxen nymph]

Thats weird, is it sealed ?

[sturdy kettle]

yeah, also harginer drop too

2570 corr

No seal. Only Nemesis drop seal

[waxen nymph]

So weird, this is a bug

[sturdy kettle]

there alwasy have 5th & 6th slot

[sturdy kettle]

yeah i know

i feel weird why not meeting any other rank

[waxen nymph]

What the hell

Offline ?

[sturdy kettle]

yeah, i'm testing this offline

[tardy mirage]

dats alotta damage

[waxen nymph]

Do you have thoses weird drops in Online too ?

[tardy mirage]

i think so

not sure but i vaguely remember something like that

and thinking it was weird

[sturdy kettle]

that's tier 6 drop

[tardy mirage]

lol

[waxen nymph]

Do you have thoses weird drops in Online too ?

[sturdy kettle]

this is "legal" drop

[sturdy kettle]

um, sometimes.
That's why i'm wondering right now

[sturdy kettle]

you don't have any problem??

[tardy mirage]

lol

[waxen nymph]

Nope never

[tardy mirage]

and you said 2000+ corru?

[sturdy kettle]

yeah, just only 2500+

[tardy mirage]

ic ic

[sturdy kettle]

tons of 3 pre/suf

but never pass 4+

[south ledge]

what the hell is that 😄

[autumn knot]

oh yeah tooltips have been bugging out a bit due to recent changes regarding rounding of values

[turbid dome]

yay funny triple suffix/prefix is back

[south ledge]

Ah so 53% should be the definite max

[tardy mirage]

magic owo

[turbid dome]

nope illegal straight to time jail

[sturdy kettle]

nemesis

and....

now this is truly something called: "WTF"

not any prefixes are SEAL

[autumn knot]

lol extra stats for free

maybe that's the game's way of rewarding you for going above 2500c

😛

[sturdy kettle]

I've a test this morning

the drop in 1000corr is totally not any different with 100k+ corr

T6+t7 still rare as always

but this happened

[turbid dome]

100k+ corruption?

true offline shenanigans?

[sturdy kettle]

and never drop any 3 Purple Affixes

[sturdy kettle]

well, just edit your save. Easy

[turbid dome]

behold the legendary exalted T35 item

[sturdy kettle]

nah, not gonna happen

as I said... 1000 corr & 100k+ corr

NOT ANY DIFFERENT

although the droprate is 100k+ %

RNG is somehow not working on that rate

[turbid dome]

I mean when is a build without perfect edited gear going to make it past like 3k corruption

does it really matter that its not that big of a difference at 100k+ corruption

[sturdy kettle]

even 1500 is hard for normal gears

Full T7 is still 1 hit at 1k5, except Sentinnel with huge armor

[turbid dome]

nah at that point its giga ward or nothing

[sturdy kettle]

if facing the boss with perfect dodge, you can still able to defeat it xD

but before that, at least dying more than 10 times

[turbid dome]

or I guess the zero hp rogue stuff where your defense is killing everything off screen

[chilly peak]

Some HP builds should be able to stand tho, some crazy gear needed ofc

[unique vessel]

Does Focused strike from Rive make the base crit chance double? or does it double your total crit (so capped when you have 50% crit on paper)?

[turbid dome]

that should be 100% more crit chance, so if you have 25% crit chance after flat * increased then its 25 * 2 = 50% crit chance

[unique vessel]

ok thanks

[turbid dome]

true, more so tho that it takes way less powerful gear to get the huge ward numbers than it does for hp

[sturdy kettle]

another 53% 😐

[turbid dome]

wont lie, I normally use that node with peak of the mountain so I almost never have to actually worry about crit chance

[sturdy kettle]

ah. guys

I think i've found out why i drop 3 pre/suf 😣

[turbid dome]

[sturdy kettle]

My plugins auto-loot items made the drop system broke

😂

well gotta fix that

[quiet hearth]

[solemn field]

can anyone please help with a t4 julra?

[idle thunder]

@sturdy kettle bro,how can you get to 6k hp,can i take a look of your build planner?

[autumn knot]

oh wow an actual good egg result

[chilly peak]

Some offline shenanigans. Imagine you could draw your gear ^^

[cobalt blade]

@waxen nymph vladdddd... do you play any other classes than Armor dud and Nature man?

[autumn knot]

bingo

[chilly peak]

wow, very nice!

[autumn knot]

yeah build's coming together pretty nicely so far

[cobalt blade]

Ooo stun avoidance

[autumn knot]

my slams have been good to me this run. but the rest of my gear needs some extra optimization lol

[chilly peak]

He is mainly out for a huge flat HP roll I guess

[autumn knot]

nah I could've slammed a regular T7 health

but the hybrid with stun avoidance is ideal

was really lucky I hit it

[chilly peak]

Yeah, just 95% HP but something useful on top, makes alwys sense to slam the hybrid imo

[autumn knot]

speaking of health, I'm on the lookout for a T6 or T7 % HP on my body piece & belt. they both have flat life which results in a lot less life overall

[cobalt blade]

Ooo flat health t7 is 142 - 187

[cobalt blade]

Belt have hybrid hp which is dayum

[autumn knot]

I mean yeah that'd be actually ideal but I'm on the lookout for just the regular %

[chilly peak]

Have both!

[autumn knot]

^^

problem is I find the affix but just on the wrong base

or it's on the right base but then it's packed with useless affixes or it comes with no affixes so I run out of forging potential xD

[cobalt blade]

Arent you gonna use thorn slinger?

[autumn knot]

I use thorn slinger to level with

but rn I run this for the resistances. too much value to ignore

[cobalt blade]

Time to farm a 3LP

[chilly peak]

Hard to replace probably ^^

[autumn knot]

I'd still use a spidersilk over an LP4 thorn slinger

all I really need is a % health or hybrid health T6/T7 spidersilk belt

and I'd just craft the rest and be good to go lol

buuut I'm at 225c lv 90 right now. I'll get it soon

CoF rank 12 too

[cobalt blade]

Thats a very nice defensive belt

[autumn knot]

I'm just scared I'm gonna die xD

225c is when I died last time at lv 93 lol

traumatized

[cobalt blade]

Oh yea you are on HC, volin too

[chilly peak]

Probably take it a bit slower until you feel more confident. I farmed 2x lvl100 on less corr (went up to 250 for the blessing, then farmed just below 200 to grind stuff and levels)

[autumn knot]

yeah tbh I don't really need rank 8 for the blessings thing

got pretty decent blessings as is

[chilly peak]

Sad there is absolutely no ladder competition 😦

I lead the ranks with such a low run since 2 weeks now

[cobalt blade]

How HC ladder even work

Highest corr?

[chilly peak]

Same as SC

[autumn knot]

Yeah I think I'm gonna farm at around 200c until I get the rest of my pieces in order

[chilly peak]

The more waves the higher you are

[autumn knot]

my overall eHP is still significantly less than my previous character that had 3800 health

[cobalt blade]

That is Arena yea?

[chilly peak]

How much non-phys EHP ypu have?

[cobalt blade]

I thought there is a ladder for HC with highest corr or something

But all the competitor is gonna be like a zhp balista or something

[chilly peak]

Nah everything is same, just with a single life

[autumn knot]

previous character (lv 93) on the left & current one (lv 90) on the right

it's similar enough but I'm spooked lol

missing a ton of potential extra life & the experimental mod on gloves

and the implicits on my gloves are a super low roll too

[chilly peak]

Yeah DoT-mitigation/general DR doesn't look too good. But overall not too bad, Sigil adds even a bit more.
Guess you use Valdyrs relic? Should be ok for ~200, but you need to focus on high-hitters like Covenant of Dominion and such

[autumn knot]

Yeah got a Valdyrs that I slammed 150 life on

Haven’t found a LP2 Valdyrs yet

Ideally, I’d want an LP2 orian ring too but I haven’t had luck with that either

The idea of more sigil uptime seems great if I’m able to fit it in

Think I’m gonna farm a couple more blessings then grind 200c fall of the outcasts for loot, levels, and flayers

Hear it’s the safest timeline anyway

[chilly peak]

You should give Beacon farm a try, even more in HC!

Nothing I do all day long, but something dat gives me a nice boost when I want

[waxen nymph]

A little bit of old magic man

[cobalt blade]

Damn.. I am not gonna see you in the emo girl chat huh

[waxen nymph]

Very unlikely

[autumn knot]

I assume I just run a beacon node then portal out when it’s at 90%?

[sturdy kettle]

thaere are seomething i dont understaend

whaet is One-Shot?
EHP???

???????

[autumn knot]

EHP is “effective hp” so for example if you have 1000 hp but you take 50% reduced physical damage, then your physical effective hp is 2000

One shot means about how much damage you can withstand from one instance of damage. The regular EHP I assume just calculates around how much damage you can receive from multiple instances of damage

Likely your regular EHP differs from the “one-shot” EHP because Endurance exists in this game

[sturdy kettle]

hmm

still dun't understand

English is too hard zzz

[autumn knot]

So if you have 1000 health and endurance threshold is at 500 and endurance is like 50% mitigation, your effective one shot hp is still 1000, but your overall EHP might be 500 (putting you into the threshold) + another 1000 (due to remaining 500 hp with 50% mitigation)

[sturdy kettle]

alright it's about my defense...

[autumn knot]

To put it simply, “EHP” just approximates your defense capabilities

[sturdy kettle]

in this situation, the higher number, the higher "EHP" effective?

[autumn knot]

Yes

[sturdy kettle]

so in this situation

can you explain?

[autumn knot]

Yeah, you are very tanky against physical damage compared to other forms of damage

And you are equally weak to all forms of damage over time (like bleed and burn)

[sturdy kettle]

don't get why physical dmg highest

[autumn knot]

It’s because of Armor

[sturdy kettle]

the amor, ex: 81% but only affect with Physical

[autumn knot]

Armor is twice as effective for physical damage

It does not affect damage over time, which is why your EHP vs DoT is almost the same for physical, cold, fire, etc

[sturdy kettle]

yeah i know it's not affect DoT

if wear the red ring will increase 10% less damage

"Decrease 10% dmg"

which will make EHP higher 🧐

[waxen nymph]

Don't use the wiki
It's old a'd outdated

Armor applies at 100% for phys dmg and only 70% for non phys dmg

[sturdy kettle]

It is said in the game too

[gusty abyss]

That last line is very misleading. 70% of armors damage reduction applies to non physical. The effective HP gain at high armor values more than doubles the actual effectiveness of armor for phys compared to non phys.

[chilly peak]

You grab 2x 40% Exp buffs like "enrage half health" or "deadly if..." (I prefer enrage half health) and run a beacon node, that you cancel around 50% (mobs stop giving xp arpund that).

Preferably you want either a straight or a small map (I like Broken Hills very much, straight and small).
Maps that are popular are f.e. Ritual Lake, Imperial Warcamp and Willow Marsh

[sturdy kettle]

kinda good

got buggy again 😂

[autumn knot]

Oh lol. Yeah I was already in bed and couldn’t really pull up in-game info. Good to know though

[turbid dome]

Just use LE tools

[autumn knot]

wtf they stop giving xp past a certain point? Never knew lol

That method does seem great if I only care about XP. But as of rn I’m still on the lookout for echo rewards and stability so I can farm flayers

I’ll definitely do that later at some point though

[chilly peak]

Yes, you exchange xp/favor for stabi/loot

[humble wraith]

Guys, does echo from Void Knight works with warpath + palarus?

Like, the warpath from echo gonna proc smite from palarus.

[waxen nymph]

Yes, but you still can't go over the limit

[turbid dome]

probably not given warpath echo is currently bugged

or does palarus work on where the echo is visually

[waxen nymph]

Letools has the whole game guide

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/

[alpine canopy]

It'll work where the echo is hitting, which until they fix it is where you're at

[waxen nymph]

Should be fixed

[turbid dome]

dang I completely missed that

[alpine canopy]

Ooh yay, forgot about that

[autumn knot]

Remember what I was talking about yesterday? Got it 😉

The crafting on this was insane. Didn't nemesis it or drop from Exiled Mage.

Dropped with T1 Strength, T3 Minion Health, T6 Frailty, and empty suffix. I crafted T5 hybrid health, bumped Strength up to T4 so that I could Glyph of Insight the Minion Health into a T2 experimental mod, then finished crafting the Strength and it crit upgraded the experimental mod. Then I Rune of Researched to seal it which I think also crit and upgraded it. Then I got lucky with 9 Forging Potential left and still managed to get a T5 Throwing Atk Spd on it 😮

[quiet hearth]

I feel morally obligated to roll a mage now

[waxen nymph]

Damn!

How much FP did it have?

[autumn knot]

Like a normal amount.. somewhere between 35-40?

wasn't one of those crazy nemesis ones that come with 55+ or anything

can't believe the game let me upgrade affixes as many times as I did lol

[waxen nymph]

I am happy for you but sad for me

I had an amazing helmet base but the crafting procces went not so well

[autumn knot]

I've bricked so many of these too

including ones that started off with T6/T7 flat or hybrid life

this is my 4th bleed hammerdin in HC and this is my first pair of good eternal gauntlets lol

your time will come eventually

[cobalt blade]

👏🏻

[autumn knot]

The only LP2 Blood of the Exile I ever found slammed T7 hybrid health successfully.. then I died like 2 maps after xD

[waxen nymph]

Wiiiickeeeddd!

How are you doing?

[waxen nymph]

Crafting feels really good when it succeed but can also feels pretty cruel

[cobalt blade]

Vladdddddd...... 👋🏻

[autumn knot]

yeah sucks when the base looks like it's promising then it just poops on ya

[cobalt blade]

Whachu gonna do after the event ends

[warped night]

I love the warpath shrine

combined with the rive vacuum it's fantastic

[cobalt blade]

It was very dayum

[warped night]

omg those huge axes are hilarious

[cobalt blade]

🪓

[turbid dome]

noooo mr grole

[autumn knot]

For bleed hammerdin build, why do people run the two mods: Phys Dmg & Bleed Duration + Phys Pen for Bleed on Helm but for the chest piece, they run Phys Pen for Bleed & Chance to Bleed w/ Axe?

You'd think they'd also run the Phys Dmg & Bleed Duration on chest too or is that just too much bleed duration?

Or is there some sort of bleed chance benchmark that's ideal?

[cobalt blade]

Engiiiii!

[cobalt blade]

Hmm not sure. I go phy dmg and bleed duration for both pieces on my bleed warpath cuz i use Taste of Blood. Bleed duration is a top priority for me

[autumn knot]

I mean ideally I'd just put all 3 affixes on both pieces lol

Think I got enough bleed chance that I'd prefer the damage

[turbid dome]

bleed duration is more damage, but getting a ton of it isn't great expect for when fighting bosses imo (as you gotta wait longer)

the bleed chance with an axe on chest plate is a lot for a single affix which is is another really big dmg multiplier (more bleeds per hit)

if your using taste of blood your probs gonna want bleed duration on both

[cobalt blade]

👏🏻

[turbid dome]

quick math going from 3 bleeds a hit to 4 bleeds a hit is 33% more dmg

going from 3 seconds per bleed (3 bleeds) to 4 seconds per bleed -> 9 seconds of bleed to 12 seconds of bleed = 33% more dmg... but it takes an extra second

[warped night]

just get a chest from a nemesis that seals one of the bleed affixes at t5+ ezpz

[turbid dome]

ez nemisus loot

[autumn knot]

I see. I guess for what I'm doing right now, I'd rather just have more bleeds and more damage

[turbid dome]

more aliments is normally what I go for (better clear rate)

but bleed duration is good, but mostly for bosses and rares you can't constantly hit

[autumn knot]

yeah, though the duration comes with phys dmg too which is not bad

I also get duration from flayer and idols

[turbid dome]

100% increased phys dmg shouldn't make or break a build

upping your bleeds per hit tho can

say you hit 4 times a second, going from 300% bleed on hit to like 410% bleed on hit is at least 4 more bleeds a second

throw in a extra bleed every like 2-ish seconds

[autumn knot]

yeah I got 679% bleed chance rn

[quiet hearth]

holy hell did they buff nemys? the blood one literally one shot me

[turbid dome]

?

random modifier moment?

unequipped a gear?

I don't think they buffed nemi

[quiet hearth]

Like I know my phys res isnt capped but good lord that was instant

[turbid dome]

area level?

and how badly is this not capped

[quiet hearth]

Im at 68%

I had to have gotten crit is the only thing I can think

[turbid dome]

armor to dot defense? or was it just him hitting you

0 crit defense?

[chilly peak]

All 3 stats are great for bleeding Hammerdin 🤷‍♂️

First you need stacks, so "chance to bleed" on both imo.

I like to split the other and have either on chest or helm As chests roll bigger I liked to have the penetration on the cjest if doable, always felt like the bigger impact to me.

Not sure if that was perfect math, but always felt very good. Tried multiple Chests and Helmets and liked above setup most

[autumn knot]

Yeah was kinda curious about the stat prioritization of how much each of the 3 provide value

seems like people tend to double down on phys pen

then one is the hybrid and other bleed chance

[cobalt blade]

Me 🥔 brain no geddis

[chilly peak]

from the guts: chance to bleed > pen > duration

but probably depending what you have already on other slots

[turbid dome]

unga apply bleed when he smacks T-Rex

unga swings two times really fast

unga practically applies two bleeds each swing set

[turbid dome]

thats my gut thinking too, bleed duration is only closer to the middle if your doing melee bleed

[quiet hearth]

it was instant, I have no clue honestly. I'm not capped but Im like 75% of the way there on everything. Maybe it was the space I was in and several of the blood orbs were stacked

[turbid dome]

wait was this a wengari spire echo

[quiet hearth]

No, not a spire echo either

[turbid dome]

🤔

[cobalt blade]

I know those blood orbs that they drop kinda hits hard and if you stand in between orbs... oof

[turbid dome]

I guess random crit moment

[quiet hearth]

But I havent gotten erased like that in a minute

[autumn knot]

I like that too. Plus I'm mostly focused on mapping anyway

[chilly peak]

I mean your build shines in bossing almost automatically 🙂

[autumn knot]

yeah

it's the mapping that's slower

[cobalt blade]

Nope.. too potato

[turbid dome]

ok now your getting a math formula

hits per seconds * bleeds per hit = bleeds per second

[quiet hearth]

The storm bolt shrine as an attunment pally is so good

[cobalt blade]

Why is that?

[chilly peak]

Cause you need to move more, what cost you stacks

I guess

[turbid dome]

Bleed duration is more damage per bleed but it takes longer (only more dps against bosses and tough rares)

Bleed chance is more dmg now

Pen is more dmg now

Dot builds tend to struggle more with clear

[quiet hearth]

That depends on the dot build

[turbid dome]

Load bearing tend

[autumn knot]

Yeah I definitely struggle with clear more than against bosses

[cobalt blade]

Feels like Taste of Blood fix 1 and 4

[chilly peak]

Btw, it doesn't get much more melee then the Hammer-bleed 🤭

[quiet hearth]

omg, this mono was full of the snakes that make tornadoes and run away and I somehow found three at once that split into mutliples on death

[turbid dome]

Reinforcements on death moment

[quiet hearth]

it crashed my game because my potato could not handle it

But for a few brief moments, I couldnt see a frekkin thing

[turbid dome]

Wait

Does erasing strike stop the reinforcements on death rare modifier

[quiet hearth]

I think so

[cobalt blade]

Do rare poof?

[turbid dome]

Cause it stops the spike bastards spikes on death

[quiet hearth]

pretty sure it stops most on death effects if not all of them

[turbid dome]

Well if they ever add a Detonate Dead enemy ES stocks will go up

see me in poe

[quiet hearth]

I need EHG to understand that we need Gather Storm to feel like the Storm Bolt shrine

[turbid dome]

I need EHG to understand I need lunge to feel like Zealots charge in darktide

[cobalt blade]

Only in Emperor of Corpses i think

[turbid dome]

Complete with a religiously motivated battle cry

I want sentinel to be screaming for a slaughter and hurling insults as he body slams into his foes

[cobalt blade]

Armor dud dont seem that barbaric

[chilly peak]

You mean a stoic "Stand down or die"? 😬

[quiet hearth]

I was gone so long I forgot how many skills just are roads to nowhere

[turbid dome]

“At this rate my armor is going to rust”

[cobalt blade]

"I cannot do that" in a rage

[chilly peak]

Kk, I really liked that one. They should also let you write 1-2 lines for the nature dud ^^

[turbid dome]

I do too

It’s delivery is nice

It did also catch me off guard the first time

[autumn knot]

thoughts on 2 Large Rahyeh Idols vs 1?

think I'm a fan of 1

esp in hc

[turbid dome]

What affixes

[autumn knot]

bleed duration and either phys dot or block eff

[turbid dome]

Wait is that the 2by2 or the 1by4

[chilly peak]

Alternative?

[autumn knot]

1x3

[turbid dome]

Oh

[autumn knot]

alternative is just stout idols probably

for 5% increased life

and res balancing

[turbid dome]

If I’m using a shield I just yoink 4 2by2 block efficiency idols

Idk if that one gets bleed stuff

[autumn knot]

I run two 2x2 for the smite

[turbid dome]

Fair

[autumn knot]

and they both have block eff

[chilly peak]

2x2 and 1x3 have some shared stats here

[autumn knot]

think they can roll phys dot too. not sure

[chilly peak]

If you run Flayers I'd personally choose more defensive Idol suffixes, HP or (rather) Block effect it is

[cobalt blade]

I went with this

[turbid dome]

Counter point: I like how having four of the 2by2s looks visually

[autumn knot]

same, that'd be my favorite

[alpine canopy]

I don't think so, I think it just instantly kills them lol

[turbid dome]

fair enough

I do have like +200 flat void dmg on my void rifts thanks vitality

[tardy mirage]

peak

[glad pebble]

How sexy is paladin?

[turbid dome]

Do you like judgement or hammer throw

Or warpath

[autumn knot]

Health Gain on Block or flat Health blessing?

Feel like with the fact that Valdyrs already "regens" my health, the health on block likely doesn't do much. However I also interpret it to mean "take 22 less damage per block" which might be nice?

[turbid dome]

Health gained on block is nice for mapping

[autumn knot]

yeah the value of the extra flat health I get from blessing doesn't seem too big

[autumn knot]

Makes a lot of sense honestly

[chilly peak]

Team flat HP here. Valdyrs gives a crazy sustain, but you may want some HP pool till it really kicks in.
HP on block is only very good if you struggle with many small hits, Arena comes to my mind, but is that a current problem of you?
What's really dangerous usually is either big hits, or dots, or am I wrong? For both HP is better even if it is a small amount. And small amounts scale to bigger numbers as you grow.

For Arena I'd totally support trying HP on block

[turbid dome]

Volin explained it very well

[autumn knot]

Aye aye captain 🫡

I figured as much with the Valdyrs already fulfilling the role of mitigating little instances of damage

[chilly peak]

Whatever you call little, good Sir 🙂

[turbid dome]

I call it swarm defense

[autumn knot]

Just got rank 8 harby so I can farm blessings a bit more efficiently now

need that high health roll

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

valdyrs sooper goog

lots of healing on kill ... and just enough healing to be relevant on hit

[quiet hearth]

and that was with 70% less dmg from crits

[autumn knot]

😉

[autumn knot]

that's a pretty low damaging one shot 😮

[quiet hearth]

it wasnt a one shot, just out of nowhere an 800 dmg hit even with my crit reduction

[autumn knot]

seems pretty normal

there are some normal non-crits that do thousands of damage

[quiet hearth]

at lvl 60? Not really

[autumn knot]

There are certain boss hits or even regular enemy hits that are telegraphed enough that do a decent amount of damage if they hit

especially more so if your res isn't capped or if you have low armor/block

[quiet hearth]

This was not one of those times, it was just a mook that reached out and touched me violently

[cobalt blade]

Touched

[autumn knot]

🤷

[autumn knot]

where's the rest of that screenshot? what enemy killed you?

[quiet hearth]

that's just what I clipped, it was like 70 overkill, but it was a golem of somekind

[alpine canopy]

The golems are some of the hurty ones

[quiet hearth]

Ive never even noticed them in the past tbh

[alpine canopy]

aren't as well telegraphed as they should be

[cobalt blade]

Profane flesh? The imperial casket? Siege golem?

[autumn knot]

Probably a transfusion casket

those dudes killed my softcore character so many times

[quiet hearth]

It was big black and spikey

[autumn knot]

^^^

[cobalt blade]

Yes thats it

[autumn knot]

Transfusion Casket 100%

yeah pretty normal amounts of damage even for lv 60

[cobalt blade]

Eventho nerfed, they still pack a panwch

[autumn knot]

usually you shouldn't have to worry about crit reduction until empowered monos

other layers of defense should suffice until then

[quiet hearth]

It's just on my gear that I have and passives is all, I didnt build it, but are they one of the event enemies?

[cobalt blade]

Yesh

Prolly gone tmr

[quiet hearth]

That would be why then, I was like, I dont remember anything like this slapping me around this early

[autumn knot]

Yeah makes sense

Those dude along with the imperial skellies hurt

also there's a good chance that since you encountered some imperial event pack that you got hit with a Mark for Death which lowered all res by 25% too

[quiet hearth]

Im overcapped on pretty much everything so that wouldnt do too much

[autumn knot]

ah ok

but yeah those big bois be bonkin

[quiet hearth]

just periodically I guess some event mob is falcon punching me and I dont see it coming

[autumn knot]

yeah they're spoopy

you playing hardcore?

[quiet hearth]

lel no, I do not see the appeal of hardcore in an online enviroment, especially one as laggy and buggy as this one

[autumn knot]

that's good at least

less worry about death

[quiet hearth]

I dont mind dying, I just like to see it coming and not just, be fine and then suddenly being sent to my ancestors

Im just trying to get to 73 so I can use this hat and say I did

[autumn knot]

Well now you know what to look out for a bit more

It's pretty noticeable/telegraphed after you're aware of it

[quiet hearth]

not really, black mob with black effects on black void backgrounds and I still havent SEEN the hit that is blasting me off like team rocket

[alpine canopy]

Nah, I was killed by unearthed spike from caskets a million times before I fixed my build and then they also nerfed it. I still have no idea what that attack looks like.

[autumn knot]

I died to that among many other things during my first softcore character ever

but I've run like 5 total characters in hardcore so far all reaching at least level 80

and I've never even taken half of my HP's worth of damage to them since

so idk

[cobalt blade]

THIS

I only learned this... see bone golem around...speen it faz b4 my screen turns red

[autumn knot]

their attack windups are slow. I just stay on the move and never backtrack

[quiet hearth]

Im using swipe, so Im pretty much just manmoding everything

[alpine canopy]

That particular attack deals about half the damage after its nerf, so it's not as bad as it was. Loyalist packs are definitely dangerous in general though

[quiet hearth]

That is ludacris

[autumn knot]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-ludacris-rollout-my-business-song-vibing-head-spinning-gif-5699622252342033363

[autumn knot]

Yeah I once teleported across a bridge into a pack of them, got hit with a volley of arrows, stunned, then got nuked by a second volley lmao

[autumn knot]

Facetanking is spooky 😮

[quiet hearth]

I like the playstyle of being tanky and just being like, Im gonna start swinging until one of us dies

[cobalt blade]

Me last cycle. Bear maul, bear cry, bear swipe

[quiet hearth]

Werebear is so good it's annoying

[cobalt blade]

And bear ded in emperor of corpses becuz rampage is

[quiet hearth]

I love the rampage lightning build, especially using two Palarus for double str to spells because lol

[cobalt blade]

And all my maelstorm stacks gone cuz i am not hitting

Maelstorm stacks gone = dmg gone

Dayum

[quiet hearth]

Nah, I just built straight crit and ran back and forth like an idiot until I desynced and died.

[cobalt blade]

Oof

Rampage is

It be cool if they can convert lightning swipe to proc chained lightning or something

Swipe wearbear is really just wack anything infront

Not the best in mobbing

[quiet hearth]

I did swipe werebear with DW palarus and tempest strike proccing on swipe and had tornado specced for lighting abusing the global crit swipe and bear can get

When we get the mech suit or the holy super form I hope it has something dumb like Str to spells or Attun to melee build in

[turbid dome]

Doesn’t rive have attunement to some added melee dmg

[warped night]

yeah but you need a mace, so you could offhand palarus and mainhand a doom star or solarum hammer

but then you're passing up eye of reen

and attunement stacking

I guess you could do like a rive + judgement mana generate & dump combo

actually that might be pretty good 🤔

[minor rune]

btw now warpath good? after the "buff"

[chilly peak]

It was good even before the "buff"

[cobalt blade]

I barely feel the "buff" honestly

But its funny that it hits mob a few times at VR arrival

[chilly peak]

I only played it before the buff, and it was a blast already 🙂

[autumn knot]

I’ve yet to do a warpath build but I might roll a warpath voidknight for funsies considering I have like all the necessary gear for it already

It’s crazy how much void gear is handed out in the game (like I know it’s thematic bc the enemies are primarily void enemies bc Orobyss & gang but still)

[turbid dome]

you can also take the void gear angle of "the void mentally corrupts" to explain the logic of a lot of items that convert stuff to void for not void knight

[quiet hearth]

I still say they should change the phys on swords to spears instead.

[turbid dome]

dex -> flat phys dmg to spears, I like it

what stat would swords get then?

[tardy mirage]

hmmm

what about higher base crit for spears

[turbid dome]

don't most spears already have a ton of base crit or crit multi

[tardy mirage]

ye idk i dont use spears kek

crit multi is a dagger thing tho i think

[alpine canopy]

Only diff between spears and daggers is spear crit is melee only, daggers are generic (also rune dagger)

[tardy mirage]

f

i guess the other benefit is getting movement speed from spear mods?

but thats also a base on axes so nvm

[alpine canopy]

There used to be one spear with generic flat crit... 😔

[tardy mirage]

lol

[alpine canopy]

At least the new FG threshold passive for spears gives generic, and more than the old spear base did iirc

[tardy mirage]

lol

kinda a pain relying on a specific mastery tho ... and fg still wont use it xD

only time spears get used is if its a unique with a specific build enabling/supporting effect

[alpine canopy]

That passive is at the very start of FG, so all masteries can get the threshold for just 5 points

But ye spears are in a bad spot

[tardy mirage]

oh ye thats the same passive with the free bleed chance for axes

gg

[alpine canopy]

I still need to actually run that bane of winter FG, maybe I'll get around to it in 1.2 unless something more silly pops up

[tardy mirage]

hope something silly pops up xD

[quiet hearth]

spears dont need higher base crit for one, and two the node is all about adding damage.

As for what swords get, they get nothing, swords already have plenty of support

[tardy mirage]

speaking of rive ... they should move the double 2 hander stats over to something more generic forge guard

like a buff from forge strike/manifest armour xD

[tardy mirage]

swords juiced ... not as much as axes but ye

[quiet hearth]

At least spears aren't maces

[tardy mirage]

true i forgot maces even exist

[quiet hearth]

Like think of how big a deal 50% pen is, and be reminded maces are so bad that the pen in the WP node is one of the WEAKER stats

[tardy mirage]

lol

[quiet hearth]

has anyone here ever tried to make a phys build with a mace?

[viscid adder]

I dropped à pontifex with 168% damage over time added affix, i think i will go for an ignite forge guard ^^

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if anyone has used Grim Oath shield for anything yet

[turbid dome]

Is grim oath the ton of ward out of combat shield

[quiet hearth]

ye

[turbid dome]

I think warlock’s fissure has a node based on uncapped necrotic res

If you can get that and deal seal from lich you can turn that ward into a crap ton of necrotic res

[quiet hearth]

I remember slapping it on my sent awhile back and it was like 3k ward with no investment