🔱┃sentinel

[waxen nymph]

I started farming a bit on my FG

Just droped that

Its a sign

[alpine canopy]

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

🙏

[alpine canopy]

Missed the ignite mod 🥲
But got the T6 at least

[waxen nymph]

Bleed and HP
2/3 I am happy

[turbid dome]

[harsh nova]

just give hammers fire tag please 🪕

[alpine canopy]

I really hope we get a way to make lightning hammers a thing

[turbid dome]

elemental nova hammers, you throw a fire one, then a cold one, then a lightning one, then back to fire

[autumn knot]

hey so I'm lv 64 as a hammerdin now and was wondering how exactly Volatile Reversal plays into the kit. I notice a lot of people have it specialized but the maxroll guide says to only specialize once you have the Salt the Wounds gloves.

Is it predominantly used as a get out of jail free card? Or am I supposed to kinda spam it on cd to apply debuffs on enemies (or maybe only for boss fights)? I know what the ability does, but am having a hard time figuring out the flow of it

[turbid dome]

you can use it as a panic button to heal but the real reason its required is the harby of dust node, that much of a more dmg multiplier is just hard to pass up. Also if your using salt the wounds I'm going to assume a dot build so even more dmg

so your thought is right, make everything take a ton of extra damage

[autumn knot]

I see. Yeah I've seen some people spec into this as well which removes the panic button aspect of the skill and turns it fully into a debuff skill

I think personally I'm a bit too scared to do that for HC lol

appreciate the reassurance on my understanding of the skill though. felt kinda weird having it just sit in my hotbar unused for the most part while I'm just blasting through regular monos

[turbid dome]

warning: it is a rite of passage that your gonna hit VR and jump back into an enemies attack and die

[autumn knot]

hahaha

[feral island]

Personally don't recommend using VR on HC toons

The jump back requires practice...on softcore

[turbid dome]

yea

[feral island]

A random bolt or pool or AOE cast you ran out of but suddenly TP back in means you're always playing with the past in mind. It's very tiring

[turbid dome]

tbh an option that shows an echo of you where your gonna go back to would be nice for practice

[dry basalt]

hammer throw "enra tech" nodes, did it made the throw to do default throw when i take spiral and vortex?

[autumn knot]

Ekko ult 😛

[feral island]

Like echo from league of legends

[turbid dome]

yes, replace the next on the spiral node with the text from enra tech

do the same with the other ones

so like with enra tech, this is +80% more hit dmg, half extra projectiles, +4 mana cost

[dry basalt]

did i get the enra bonus for spiral too when i take the orbit node?

[turbid dome]

your hammers wouldn't be spiraling so that node would do nothing expect increase mana cost

your hammer spiral can't orbit you if they aren't orbiting in the first place

[dry basalt]

i mean did i get the 80% hit and 4% crit chance both from enra with spiral and orbit node

or only the crit

[turbid dome]

oh I'm dumb

yes you get both

I forgot the orbit had a part on enra tech

if you get spiral, chain and orbit you get all the stuff from enra tech

[dry basalt]

cool thanks, wonder if it can be viable big bonkers with that

[autumn knot]

speaking of HC, do people still just rush the right side timelines and go empowered asap? and do people blast corruption levels too or kinda just hover low corruption until their build is put together then push to 300+ for Aberroth?

[turbid dome]

I normally go left side then right side then empy of corpse then 90s monos

I like the extra padding so a single mistep vs lagon isn't instant death

[autumn knot]

yeah I was thinking the same. just follow the level curve

im in no rush anyway

[turbid dome]

also if your worried about lagon, specing into rebuke + brave the elements lets you face tank most of his stuff without worrying

80% dr + 60% dr = a lot of dr

[autumn knot]

rebuke might be a nice replacement for volatile reversal if I decide on it

just sit in nuke attacks and channel it lol

[small veldt]

DR is multiplicative, not addadtive

[autumn knot]

think I'll be fine by the time I get to monolith lagon though. only thing I hate about lagon's fight is when you bring along a harbinger in that tiny ass arena

[turbid dome]

I was meaning the + there as it gives 80% dr and 60% dr

getting 140% dr would be silly

[autumn knot]

oh btw should I be overcapping all my res to 100%? I noticed the legion skeleton things can apply "mark on death" or something that does -25% all res. Or is there anything else I need to account for?

[turbid dome]

some stuff like poison inherently lowers your poison res per stack, I don't think theres an echo modifier/enemy that shreds your resistances

so the first 30 poison stacks reduces poison res by a flat -2%

[autumn knot]

oh I actually never knew that

[turbid dome]

a read over of the aliments page will probably help, tho there are a lot of them

there are also a lot of them

[autumn knot]

with the bleed hammerdin build, since I'm scaling physical damage and smite does fire, is smite mostly there to just debuff via blind + give me more atk spd? smite does provide some extra damage, but it likely doesn't account for much of my overall damage right?

[waxen nymph]

Smite is a big part of your Dmg because despite being Fire it can apply Bleed

And the node Sacrifice (250% More Dmg) applies to Bleed applied by Smite too

[turbid dome]

more hits = more bleed applications = more dmg for bleedy pally

[small veldt]

And you can negate the health cost fully right?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[autumn knot]

I did not know about either of those @waxen nymph that's neat

so it's less so about the on-hit fire damage and more so about the fact that it provides another instance of a "hit"

pretty cool

[turbid dome]

unlike poe, any hit can apply any aliment inherently, assuming the hit has something giving it a %chance to inflict the aliment

see draven's funny 5 dot forge guard build

[waxen nymph]

When a node says XXXX deals More Dmg and doesnt specify anything else, it applies to everything from the Skill
The Main Skill, every subskills, any ailments applied by the Skill and/or Subskills

[autumn knot]

kinda like that system

[turbid dome]

so if you have a global 100% bleed chance, litterally any hit you do will inflict 1 bleed

[autumn knot]

crazy

[turbid dome]

and since all aliments have their own base dmg, you could be using a skill that does 1 dmg a hit and still apply big damage bleeds

[waxen nymph]

And going above 100% give you a chance to apply another one

[turbid dome]

tho as vlad said you want %More multipliers from the skills tree since that applies to the aliments

oh yeah 150% bleed chance = 1 gauranteed bleed, 50% chance for a second bleed

[autumn knot]

lol wtf

that's really cool

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/aikatsu-food-aikatsu-stars-anime-food-food-meal-gif-23837249

[turbid dome]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/ailment_mechanics

[autumn knot]

aliments

[turbid dome]

le tools and the in game game guide have a page about ailemnts

[turbid dome]

I haven't had lunch yet sue me

[waxen nymph]

Just had Hot Dogs for dinner

[turbid dome]

vlad is an american confirmed

🌭

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/kravatie-kravate-viva-kravatie-french-cat-gif-25816617

[alpine canopy]

Technically there are enemy mods for every (or most) flavors of shred that can show up on magic/rare enemies

it's completely forgettable tho

[turbid dome]

thats what I was thinking but I wasn't 100% sure

[autumn knot]

yeah noticed some cold enemy apply cold shred on me but couldn't see how much % it removed before it wore off

the immortal legion's -25% is kind of a big deal though

[alpine canopy]

Shred is 2% per stack, up to 20% at 10 stacks

[turbid dome]

which due to how last epoch does its math, going from 75% to 65% res is only 10% more damage

[alpine canopy]

The M4D echo mod is not all that serious, it's kinda like a 25% more damage mod - compared to the other modifiers it's a bit strong-ish, but also just having slightly over cap on the important resists like phys is already enough to be fine

[turbid dome]

unlike poe where going from like 80% to 70% is like 50% more dmg taken

[autumn knot]

that's good to know. I'm traumatized from not having capped res xD

[turbid dome]

its cause enemies get up to 75% res pen based on area level ( +1% res pen per area level)

[autumn knot]

"Oh no I got inflicted by Flammability? gets 1 shot instantly"

[turbid dome]

so with capped res your at effectively 0% res

[autumn knot]

I see. Honestly I quite like the balance of LE with what I've played so far

just finished my first SC playthrough and got Aberroth. HC seems so much more viable here than in PoE

I currently have 2 level 95+ characters in poe's HCSSF but my god the amount of random 1 shots there...

[alpine canopy]

The amount of random 1-shots out of nowhere here is definitely much lower

[small veldt]

LE does ability vs build complexity great

[autumn knot]

even with all the defensive layers

[small veldt]

Not to hard to pick up since nearly all skills are useable

[turbid dome]

tbh dots are a bigger threat than a lot of 1 shotty stuff

[small veldt]

But enough variety to have a high build diversity

[autumn knot]

that's what I've noticed too

[turbid dome]

theres a reason most sentinel builds use leonine helmet + champion regalia + eternal gauntlets

even tho armor being worse vs non-phys still applies to non-phys dots with the % of armor applies to dots effect

[autumn knot]

the armor applied to dot implicit I presume?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[autumn knot]

makes sense

[turbid dome]

the one real defensive layer sentinel gets support for is armor

[autumn knot]

I'm also just really enjoying playing HC without having to rely on a logout macro xD

[turbid dome]

facts

[autumn knot]

and also the overall visibility of what's going on and what to dodge

[turbid dome]

the fact that poe balances around said macro makes me not want to do hc in poe

[autumn knot]

like it's pretty clear when a boss is about to do a slam

[turbid dome]

the evade mechanic also just makes me happy

[autumn knot]

and it's also clear when you're in the middle of a giant pack of mobs eating 50 arrows at once

but in poe, it's not clear when you've been mapping at T16 juiced maps and then outta nowhere the 1 enemy alive on the map somehow 1 shots you

[turbid dome]

yup

poe2 looks like its gonna be a lot better with visual clarity tho

I do wonder if EHG is planning on adding a directional block mechanic to LE

[autumn knot]

I also like how easy it is to gear considering all the hp/res that's built into the class

[turbid dome]

ye theres a LOT of power from levels in LE

[autumn knot]

ye I played a blastrain marksman build for softcore, lv 96 now.. the eHP of my lv 67 hammerdin is like almost on par with that character's already lol

[small veldt]

So correct me on this

Smite with 5/5 attonement makes it free?

And it can trigger off indirect uses

[autumn knot]

yeah

[small veldt]

That's huge

[turbid dome]

yeah, 0 mana cost 0 health cost

now granted most of the time you don't need 5/5 points in it given your gonna have healing and leech

[autumn knot]

you'll need the relic to proc them indirectly though, but yeah it basically makes it cost nothing

which also allows you to scale the damage of the previous node to +250%

[small veldt]

Warpath

[autumn knot]

ah

[small veldt]

Can trigger smite

[autumn knot]

that too

[small veldt]

And i'm doing a smite warpath paladin atm

[autumn knot]

that build always seemed fun

[turbid dome]

warpath's trigger smite + vortex relic for throwing axes while channel warpath + idols that cast smite on throwing hit

lots of smites

[small veldt]

It's so much fun lol

I'm still figuring it out but

[turbid dome]

spin2win

[small veldt]

And it autoplays, just spin and everything else casts itself

[autumn knot]

any value to this affix on hammerdin?

[waxen nymph]

You keep the Mana Cost

Sacrifice or Attonement dont remove or decrease the Mana Cost

[autumn knot]

reminds me of poe's cyclone coc builds. I like how LE manages to capture indirect skill casting through the skill trees. they simplified poe's system while keeping a lot of the interactions

[small veldt]

Yep

Also smite gets an execute mechanic

Tho, it adds +10 mana

[waxen nymph]

Its not good

It cost a lot of pts

[small veldt]

True, and it's 9%

[turbid dome]

smite has a base cost of 0 mana tho

assuming you don't increase it with like fissure

[autumn knot]

mine has base 3

[waxen nymph]

No

Base is 3

[turbid dome]

nvm I am dumb

[waxen nymph]

No, hungry

[small veldt]

Spreading flames good?

[waxen nymph]

Meh

For an Ignite Build why not

[turbid dome]

I'm too used to the scepter affix that reduces mana cost

mmm spellslingers

[waxen nymph]

Or Wand

[turbid dome]

that too

or staff if your feeling a lil wizardy

[waxen nymph]

I will be a DW Wizard, does that work ?

[turbid dome]

as long as the offhand weapon is a sword

call that the gandalf strat

[small veldt]

Okay, warrior's fury is fun

Gotta really work around it tho

[waxen nymph]

Forgotten Knight or Palarus

[turbid dome]

Are you gonna have enough stats with palarus to beat 50 spell dmg

[waxen nymph]

Probably not

True

I dont plan on Dual Attribute Stacking

[turbid dome]

tbh scorn sceptre + forgotten sword would be a good combo

[small veldt]

Yeah

[turbid dome]

or just wand + forgotten sword

[small veldt]

What's forgotten sword?

[waxen nymph]

Either that or Mad Ladle

[waxen nymph]

Xd

[turbid dome]

Jinx

Got em

[waxen nymph]

Writing a fake report about Engi on the Mod Discord to get him perma ban

I wish the 3 set bonus and 2 set bonus were swapped

[turbid dome]

Op

[gusty abyss]

Just slam t7 spelldamage? xD

[turbid dome]

Slam that on either

[gusty abyss]

on a set item?

[turbid dome]

sorry premonitions of the future

[small veldt]

Warpath shrine with warrior's fury

It's wild

[turbid dome]

Yes

[feral island]

This looks like that other mobile game with a revolving sword

Vampire survivor

[small veldt]

Yus

[small veldt]

I you offset resistances and get 30% more, is reckless spin worth?

Or let me rephrase

If i have 105% elemental resistances, and i grab reckless spin, does that put my resistances to 75%

[turbid dome]

yes reckless is just a flat -30% elemental resistance while spinning

[small veldt]

This gives me ideas

Cheers for confirming

[cobalt blade]

Warrior's fury

[quiet hearth]

I hate that the belt drains too much mana to really be worth it, as does the node

[cobalt blade]

The belt drains so fast, i am spinning 40-50% the size, making it weak.

Without the belt, i am draining way too slow to recover full mana with VR

Warrior's fury......

[lilac sparrow]

I want to apply as Aberroth's Abyssal knight but idk how a good void knight build looks like

Any good suggestion

[cobalt blade]

Do you guys prioritize vit or mana?

[desert lodge]

vita

[lilac sparrow]

Vitamins

[cobalt blade]

Gotta stay healthy from necrotic and poison. I see

In the case of manaststacking ES, vitamin still more important yea?

Or you guys have like a threshold? Say get 800 mana then focus vit

[waxen nymph]

I think it depends on how much echoes you want to sustain

I believe 800 mana allow you to sustain 1 echo with World Splitter

[cobalt blade]

Putting up the ideal planner and i still have zero slot to put in vit

My attributes are less than 20

[turbid dome]

You can only put vit on helmet boots and chest plate so either make space there or be a sad vitality-less vk

[cobalt blade]

Sad vitality-less vk it is

[autumn knot]

my 78 hammerdin ripped to T2 julra ;_;

thought since I was doing lv 90 monos no problem that a lv 80 dungeon wouldn't be so bad. purple beam + something else killed me lol

[autumn knot]

2 levels away from big power spikes. oh well, we go again with same build

[small veldt]

I'm toying with so many ideas for it atm

[cobalt blade]

Enjoy and

[small veldt]

Yep! I know there's no way to make it mana positive at 5/5, but i'm going to try to make it sustainable long enough to just delete screens

[cobalt blade]

I am not sure but i am on t7 reduced cost helm and ancient reversal (+2s rewind). I always recover 25% less every loop

Highly sus that reduced cost is a trap

[small veldt]

I might have mathed wrong tbh

With mana cost reductions you can get -19

This forum post is from 2023 , so not sure how accurate it is

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/reduced-channeling-cost-interaction/54986/2

But someone did the maths then

[cobalt blade]

Yep, seen that but still sad to see your spin getting smaller and smaller every loop cuz of mana recovery. However, bosses die in 2nd or 3rd loop. At least in my case in 700-800c

Warrior's Fury is a trap

[small veldt]

It's a fun trap tho

[cobalt blade]

Much love-hate relationship

While ES enjoyer bonk bosses to oblivion

[small veldt]

Spin2win is the ultimate shut your brain off build

[cobalt blade]

Me when i have 🥔 brain

[small veldt]

Yep

I have three chars i play atm, upheaval BM which is fairly active and requires active work to stay alive, Cold totem shaman which is also fairly active but kinda self-playing and now my Warpath paladin which is complete brain off mode

[broken dust]

I keep resisting warpath builds out of principle, but each time I hit a wall at fairly low corruption I get ever closer. Maybe I should just try one, just to see!

[small veldt]

Warpath is just one of those things you do out of pure enjoyement

Guilty pleasure!

[desert lodge]

i'm trying real hard to make my forge strike dude work

despite how powerful the animation for forge strike looks, it doesn't do great damage

[elder nebula]

Does armor shred influence bleed damage in any way?

[waxen nymph]

No

Armor only mitigate hits (because mobs cant have the Armor DoT affix)

[turbid dome]

yet

evil laugh

[waxen nymph]

My Void Wizard is on

I just specced into DOrb and Smite

It is on, baby !

[turbid dome]

Yay

Spec into time wave anomaly

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-26559654

[alpine canopy]

Well, on the plus side, if they ever did add that, it would just buff DOT builds since no enemies have armor

[cobalt blade]

I see warpath

[turbid dome]

Dang

[cobalt blade]

🥲

if only the flat void is higher

[cobalt blade]

[waxen nymph]

Damn !

[feral horizon]

niiiice gz, I'm currently farming for one of those too to then miss the slam ofc

[turbid dome]

whatcha slammin

[cobalt blade]

already slammed a good 2LP last time.. dont think i will slam the 3LP. Probably gonna sit in my legacy stash and rot till i do another bleed build in the future

heck..

[feral horizon]

finally got a ring that pushed me to 100% block wohoo 🙂
bleed hammerdin

[waxen nymph]

GG

@cobalt blade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLE1nFfjIGA

[viscid adder]

I'm running à stats stacker vk, multistrike/erasing strike (smite & beam procs)
Using axe to have Intel equal to str, it is running ultra strong (and is crazy satisfying gameplay) for the moment. Do you see any reason it wouldnt work high corru ?

Basically im focussing on str, void dmg and crit

[waxen nymph]

What do you do with the Int ?

Imo the problem you will have is, you are not stacking Vit. So you are not going to have any Flat Spell Dmg

[cobalt blade]

I will murder abby... one day

[viscid adder]

Int is for spell dmg nah ?

[weary wren]

press alt on a skill to see its scaling

VK spells scale off vitality

[waxen nymph]

Look at the tag and the scaling of the skill

VK tends to scale Spell Dmg with Vitality

?

Why the laughing emoji ?

[viscid adder]

Cause i am laughing about me

[digital surge]

why am i playing ES when i could be spinning to win

[waxen nymph]

Be careful, Wander's Build are very Optimised

And tend to lean a lot on dmg

[misty thistle]

I'm really struggling on empowered monoliths, damage seems absolutely trash and no idea how to scale it

Is warpath really that weak on beginner monoliths?

[waxen nymph]

What you can do to get your Dmg going before getting a Apathy with Flat Crit is DW an Axe and a Sword

But be careful DW come with you taking More Dmg

[misty thistle]

Nah... I just watched a video of Dalkora doing 100s easily with 12k Warpath dps on sheet, mine is nearly 30k lol. Should I get rid of Void cleave for Sigils of hope?

[waxen nymph]

You are playing Void Warpath ?

[misty thistle]

yeah

[waxen nymph]

I am not a fan of interupting my Channel

[misty thistle]

You prefer sigils ?

[waxen nymph]

Every time you interupt you reset the timer to spawn an echo

So yes I prefer Sigils

[misty thistle]

ok lets try that, and ill try to get an apathy with flat crit or void damage

[waxen nymph]

Again, before you get that try DW (if you are not in HC)

[misty thistle]

I was hearing that, think I could be ok at 2200 life?

[waxen nymph]

Does it have Flat Crit on it ?

2.2k should be enough for Early Empowered yes

Are you near cap Res ?
Do you have any Crit Mitigation ?

[misty thistle]

Needs work

[waxen nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Fatdgib5w
Is that the one you were looking at ?

[misty thistle]

I was using void cleave but thats the one i was gonna change to

Before I start respeccing, think thats fine??

I mean, I know Dalkora from Diablo and hes usually very solid with his builds

[waxen nymph]

Not a fan of some of his passives choices

But I like Hp and not dying

[misty thistle]

Do you have your own guide, or someone you usually follow?

[waxen nymph]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide

[misty thistle]

I never use rebuke, i dont like it, so this looks good

Whoaaaaa

sigil of hope is impossible to use lol

@waxen nymph Sigil seems VERY strong, but is draining my mana at an absolutely stupid pace. Its only level 10 though right now so that could be it lol

nvm. One 100 empowered monolith and its 17 haha

Ok i understand how it works now. But still running into mana issues getting 4 stacks

[feral horizon]

the node that gives 6% chance on kill to gain a stack is nice, you don't have to spend mana all that much unless it's single target
"last wish" is the name of the node

[misty thistle]

Yeah i had anomoly on auto cast

What a bloody difference lol

like a different build now

[tardy mirage]

i dont use rebuke but im fine with it ... wish the duration of the buff was longer tho ... same problem i have with flame rush

[misty thistle]

Im having wayyyyy more success after switching with Pvts ideas

still using an apathys maw with no flat crit so thats something i need to look at soon

[tardy mirage]

flame rush is worse tho to be fair cuz if your holding the skill your actually moving so you almost never get to actually use the channeling buffs

[autumn knot]

So with Volatile Reversal, if I had lower HP 2 seconds ago, would I lose HP upon casting it? And if I take this node, would I still lose HP or would it just not affect HP at all?

[cobalt blade]

Wander have 3x my atk spd . 120+ vs my 40+. Wander uses falcon fist for atk spd and have Blademaster in Sentinel tree. Also this VK WP char is MG

And wander's armor is near 8k

[cobalt blade]

Yes, you will lose hp if you were lower 2s before

Also yes, hp is not affected if you take the node

Also wander utilize rive for mana regain, even had mana gain using rive affix on helm

Wander dont stack mana and dont use World Splitter. Its cool to see Warrior's Fury with another build variation. @waxen nymph thanks for the link but it is still a trap warpath variant

[tardy mirage]

not effect at all

[autumn knot]

yeah I guess the terminology of "restores" confused me on whether that meant your HP is reverted or it gives you positive amounts of HP if it was higher prior

I kinda like that node then. I hardly ever use it for a heal and I feel like it's easy to accidentally go back to a lower HP value

[cobalt blade]

Yea. I remember Nacho use it differently though

If someone found a build that uses the node to not restore mana but gain 300% cooldown recovery. Let me know

[autumn knot]

hammerdin uses it that way

which is the build I'm running right now. you pretty much just use volatile reversal for the debuffs

[cobalt blade]

You dont use alot of mana with hammerdin?

[autumn knot]

definitely don't need volatile for any mana regen, that's for sure

but naw not really. with throwing mana reduction, the hammers only cost 3 mana

which is easily regen-able

then occasionally you shield rush for 50 mana

[cobalt blade]

I see

[autumn knot]

sigils are auto-cast from the sigil node off of kills

don't really find myself focusing too much on mana when I'm playing this build for the entirety of the leveling/endgame experience

the only small period of time where I do have mana problems is in the early levels when I spec into extra hammers per throw + spiraling hammers and I don't have any -mana for throwing yet

[cobalt blade]

Dont find this reliable enough, i have to manually cast a few stacks despite using orian's sun seal ring

[autumn knot]

true, the auto-cast happens more so while mapping and blasting through mobs

and it's more for a bonus on top of everything else rather than a reliance upon having at least 4 active at once

[cobalt blade]

Additive dmg. Same with holy aura

[autumn knot]

true, but in practice I don't end up relying on it too much until I have to manually cast it at times for bossing

and even with that, you don't spam all 4 at once. can just add another one as the previous is about to expire

[tardy mirage]

i mean it cuts the cooldown to like 4 seconds ... so anything that doesnt chug mana itll work

[tardy mirage]

you can if your stuck manually casting sigils

[cobalt blade]

4s... ancient reversal 4s too... prolly can upkeep the atk spd and ms buff with tiny bit of extra cooldown affix

But mana 🥲

[tardy mirage]

lol

harbinger of dust and timerift have a 4 second duration so it falls in line

delete desyncronous charge

[quasi totem]

Generally, how does crit vs flat damage hold up for Forged Weapons?

[oak ferry]

have you ever had this happen? lol

[humble wraith]

Hello, does any1 know if the fire pen with a sceptre in warpath's "cyclone of war" is global and works with smite?

[waxen nymph]

Yes it is

[waxen nymph]

Usually you want AS and Flat Crit for your prefixes. Your base weapon should have enough Flat

[cobalt blade]

Vladddddd

[obsidian valve]

is there any build for VK to begin with CoF player guys ? im following rive void knight on maxroll but got one shot/ range shot too many times while mapping

[south ledge]

Just play what's enjoyable to you. I lvld my VK with erasing strike. But I was also struggling a bit to survive

Looking forward to level up my Foreguard with this. Time to revisit forged weapons minion build 🙂

[obsidian valve]

yeah i know but somehow im too squishy in 100 cor, any tips for farming as a cof sentinel bro ? i've just jumped into it for no more than 24h .

[south ledge]

Try to increase your health stat, and max out your resistances at 75%

voidknight has great health leech

[obsidian valve]

please wait a sec, i will link the char, man i really need lots of tip for this

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALYj6akQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 83

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (61) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,884, Regen: 31.72/s
▸ Mana: 283.42, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 18 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 112% / 67% / 106% / 63% / 120% / 93% / 125%
▸ EHP: 2,891 / 2,677 / 2,891 / 2,922 / 2,891 / 2,891 / 2,891

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 377
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,292)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 50%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (25)
• Void Cleave (23)
• Anomaly (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Healing Hands (21)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Apathy's Maw
• Darkstride
• Font of the Erased
• Font of the Erased
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[dry basalt]

You didnt leech because that helm disable it

i had the same mistake back then, i use peak with t7 vit and t7 health for my vk, wasted glorious item slam

[obsidian valve]

goddang, i will try again after changing it

[weary wren]

U could also make healing hands your traversal skill and loose void cleave and take sigils of hope for more surivivability

[obsidian valve]

i will try every ways, thank you guys for these advices.

[gusty abyss]

Ow yeah, now to get a good exalted relic 😄

[desert lodge]

i ran minion vengeance forge guard for a while, then switched to rive scrap metal when i hit empowered monos

[gusty abyss]

So in a world where +4 smite, damage while channeling and resist while channeling could exist, is this one good enough?

[feral horizon]

crafting the right one, do i go for phys pen or stun chance?
bleed hammerdin

[waxen nymph]

Why would you want Stun Chance ?

[feral horizon]

why not?

[waxen nymph]

You dont hit hard, so you wont Stun anything

[feral horizon]

ooh it works like that huh, darn

phys pen it is then

[feral horizon]

i guess blind or slow could be argued have a benefit, but yes phys pen is probably better

[waxen nymph]

Chill, Slow, Blind (you already have Blind in your passive I guess you are a Paladin, and in Smite)

[feral horizon]

i now realized phys pen with bleed is also a stat on the chest, so does normal(shared) phys pen not work for bleed? just hits? i always think bleed is based on the hit, but bleed is a fixed number right? just scaled with other multipliers.
now i can't decide what suffix i want ._.

[waxen nymph]

Phys Pen work for every thing phys

Bleed is Phys

It works

[feral horizon]

ok i'll go for that.

[waxen nymph]

Bleed deals a fixed amount of Dmg and gets multiplied by relevant Inc Dmg and More Dmg

Like the More Dmg in your Skill tree

[feral horizon]

well, it ate all my forging potential anyway, semi bricked 😦
t4 phy dmg and t4 bleed chance, and can't reroll implicit

[waxen nymph]

Oh no

Did you manage to craft phys pen?

[feral horizon]

well that was guaranteed since it was an open suffix, got is t2 on a crit i think

I think my old(equipped) one is still better for bleed

[waxen nymph]

Yeah definitely

[old oriole]

how good is damage penetration, fire pen specifically. Should i get as much of it as i can or is like 10-20% fine

[waxen nymph]

Fire Pen is a More Dmg

So if you have 10% Fire Pen you deal 10% More Dmg

It's good if you can grab it

[autumn knot]

hell yeah my shield at lv 77

spent the last 24 forging potential rolling affixes for 12% block chance lol

was really hoping I had 1 craft left to RoC it

[old oriole]

good to know ty!

[waxen nymph]

It's a beauty congrats

[turbid dome]

that there is a beefy dude shield

congrats!

[autumn knot]

^-^ honestly im loving this build so far. I'm lv 77 and my eHP has already surpassed my lv 97 blastrain marksman in softcore that was pushing 400+ corruption. And even there, I was barely dying. Would mostly die to missteps or likely getting marked for death and not realizing it (didn't know to overcap res to counter this before)

feeling pretty good so far

[turbid dome]

sentinel + shield + ranged attack = tanky

melee + sentinel + no shield = owie

tbh tho the biggest fear with marked for death is if your using null potent as your chest armor

[autumn knot]

^ I can see that

[turbid dome]

loosing a chunk of DR ;-;

unless you seriously overcap

[autumn knot]

and yeah on my marksman I think I just capped everything at 75% thinking that was good enough until I was mapping on my hammerdin with my character sheet open noticing all my res dropping for some reason lol

[turbid dome]

[autumn knot]

appreciate the build suggestion from the beginning. got high hopes for this HC journey

[desert lodge]

i sit all my res around 75 so when marked for death comes up i have to be extra careful

before i knew it was a modifier i was getting crushed by spells thinking what the hell happened

[autumn knot]

can also use skills/potion that cleanse all negative ailments (I thiiiink this removes mark for death?)

but either way they'd probably just reapply it instantly plus you'd have to be super on top of it

[desert lodge]

yeah exactly, you basically go through the whole echo with it

[autumn knot]

Playing HC rn and I almost just had a heart attack bc my screen went dark and a pop up happened... lost connection to server lmao

[digital surge]

anyone got a good void VK Warpath build??

[elder nebula]

Hammer throw hits do not count as melee hits, right?

[waxen nymph]

No, Throwing

[elder nebula]

I would say maxroll guide is quite good.

[digital surge]

im missing a helm that gives 15 mana on rive hit. this thing drains mana like a mofo

[turbid dome]

Already got time and faith?

[elder nebula]

There are nodes on warpath that reduces the mana cost, get it to 8 mana cost per second

And it will be basically free

[turbid dome]

Reckless spin ❤️

[small veldt]

Yus

[elder nebula]

Would this unique be really good for a bleed hammerdin or still an exalted axe ould be best?

[turbid dome]

hammer throw bleed gets

+13% bleed chance (implicit)

149% increased phs dmg

health gain on kill

15% increased bleed duration

Its ok? but a solid exalted axe would would win out imo

[elder nebula]

But what about the last line of text? I can double the bleed speed with a shield bash, wouldn't that be really good?

[alpine canopy]

Not great unless unless you're constantly hitting trash mobs with melee attacks

like that axe might be nice on a vortex pennant build, but a very good exalt would probably be better

[turbid dome]

basically what toast said, the real strength is when your hitting a melee attack like 2 or 3 times a second

makes the bleeds go faaaast

[elder nebula]

Ok, I was thinking making 300-400 bleeds go twice as fast in combination with this node from volatile reversal would make killing bosses easier

[alpine canopy]

Maybe slightly, doubling their speed doesn't increase their total damage at all though

and if all you want is a bleed pop, you could pick up abyssal echoes to do it

[tardy mirage]

the axe because you can get an extra stack of bleed per hit from the base

[tardy mirage]

time to be gigga sweaty and weapon swap kek

[turbid dome]

begone weapon swap, thou shall only appear in poe2 with the auto swap based on skill use mechanics

[tardy mirage]

lol

[tardy mirage]

least the tree will change with it

[turbid dome]

erm only skill book skill points

🤔 a warpath tree for a 2hander for pure mana gain and then a 1 hander tree for doing dmg

[tardy mirage]

nah

its not tied to skill books ... its just a set ammount of points that can be different

like 10 or so

[turbid dome]

one of their teasers said it was the skill points from the skill books

[tardy mirage]

owo ic well gg

[obsidian valve]

EHG really need to do something with this

[turbid dome]

one can hope

excess leech turns into ward

[obsidian valve]

playing a void knight as a glass canon, sigh...

[turbid dome]

tbh until your embracing a specific combo or two its more a glass battering ram

[obsidian valve]

but still glass

hope our axe boy will get some love in 1.2, i really enjoy the echo effect tbh

[turbid dome]

let me get to over 100% echo chance

Me Myself and I shall win the day

[tardy mirage]

best defense is a good offense kek

ye its weird

echo chance caps at like 40%

unless you have a passive in a skill to double it

[turbid dome]

hey look another reason to use rive

[tardy mirage]

lol

well if you remove the 3rd attack rive actually feels kinda good

like a better dancing strike

i mean dancing strike has all the buffs on it ofc ... but like actually playing it feels kinda meh

[cobalt blade]

eww dodge rating.. that FP tho

The FG wearing this helm is gonna do a very fat roll dodge

[feral horizon]

best way to finish this?
goal is block/block/all res/-dmg taken on block

seal endurance for a 50% rune of removal?

[fallow python]

is it much more difficult to just level with hammer nova as forge guard, rather than doing rive? I don't really like melee in this game too much

[weak lava]

Heya, anyone got a decent loot filter for a void knight world splitter erase strike build?

[waxen nymph]

Lvling with Hammer Spiral/Orbit is probably one of the best lvling.
I even recommend going bleed at first

[waxen nymph]

Add Block Effect
Seal Endurance
That's what I would do

[fallow python]

thanks, I will try my luck with nova though I think.

[cobalt blade]

😭

[waxen nymph]

Time to play Smite Devotion

Or World Splitter Forge Strike/Smelter Wrath

[feral horizon]

yea i'll either do that(or seal first so the block effect doesn't crit the endurance to t3 and fail the seal)
OR
seal->removal->add all res AND health.
a bit risky but bigger payout.
I have now completely filled my prophecies with exalted shield so i might get another t7 block also.

I think i might play it safe and not use the removal, then gamble big on my next t7 block shield i get instead.
all res would solve a lot of problems atm.
I think I might be able to switch one of my two gold rings for something else, which open up a whole lot of other rings that rolled well.

[waxen nymph]

Having 4 affixes on an Exalted improve the odd of succeding the seal

[waxen nymph]

Rarity: Exalted Item w/ 3 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 0.945
Tier: 2 chance: 0.6210001
Tier: 3 chance: 0.3105
Tier: 4 chance: 0.135

Rarity: Exalted Item w/ 4 Affixes
Tier: 1 chance: 1.05
Tier: 2 chance: 0.69
Tier: 3 chance: 0.345
Tier: 4 chance: 0.15

@pallid fog I just saw you post in #1210286616766062632

Just so you know 1.2 will come with a major rework/revamp/rebalance on Sentinel

[cobalt blade]

warpath

I think EHG thinks warpath is quite stronk atm tho

[feral horizon]

wait what? seal chance changes depending on how many other affixes there is??
the more you know... 1400h in...

[cobalt blade]

the tier u are sealing

not total tiers

[waxen nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVJn1CWcM0Y&

[feral horizon]

but he said "with 4 affixes" and "with 3 affixes" and the numbers are slightly different

[cobalt blade]

EHG definitely gonna change Time Bubble into actual Anomaly

[cobalt blade]

owh sorry, i always go 4 affixes exalted but doesnt seem alot of difference between 3 or 4 affixes

i guess u can seal first at 3 affixes before adding the forth for tiny bit of extra success chance

[waxen nymph]

Adding the 4th affix increase the chance of success

[cobalt blade]

whoops i see wrongly

[feral horizon]

i got all res to t4 and decided i wanted to reroll all affixes with 1 forging potential left and i got 26% block chance 🙂

[cobalt blade]

trying not to die to skelie packs

weeeeeeee 2LP at first empower, doubt anything gonna happen at 2nd empower

is it worth taking out 10 points from VK passive to get Blademaster in Sentinel passive 🤔

30% atk spd vs 10% crit multi and whatever i de-node in VK

[waxen nymph]

I am a huge fan of Blademaster

[cobalt blade]

10 points

to Slytherin

[waxen nymph]

What is your ign, Wicked ?

[cobalt blade]

getwicked76

[waxen nymph]

Spintobleed ?

[cobalt blade]

wing

mebbe take out future mind

still pain to lose 10% crit multi

[waxen nymph]

But you got plenty right ?

From your max mana

[cobalt blade]

~530 atm

but every 10 mana also = 1% crit multi from worldsplitter

decision decision decision

[waxen nymph]

I would remove Dread and 2 pts in Future Mind

This is just my opinion

[cobalt blade]

🤔

thats a decent trade

[waxen nymph]

Dont forget, Warpath double the AS scaling

[cobalt blade]

Yes

atk spd on warpath can feel ALOT different

[waxen nymph]

So its effectively 60% AS

Why SpintoWing ??

[cobalt blade]

hmm?

[waxen nymph]

Why that name ?

[cobalt blade]

its actually SpingtoWing

[waxen nymph]

Oo didnt realise

[cobalt blade]

just added the g at both end for

[waxen nymph]

xD

[cobalt blade]

and sounds a little lazy

[waxen nymph]

Time to hit regular monos with my SpellVK

[cobalt blade]

🫡

[waxen nymph]

It was suprising smooth during campaign

Dmg was decent

[cobalt blade]

oof sounds way better than my bleed WP

[waxen nymph]

🤬🤬

Why cant we get Vitality on the Grand Idol but we can on Ornate

[cobalt blade]

Wonder if Idol crafting can do anything about that

[grim fog]

how easy is it 2 build a Void spell Sentinel?

[waxen nymph]

I am doing it rn

So far in regular monos, doing great

[feral umbra]

Dumb question but is there any way to be able to have a spear and shield at the same time?

[cobalt blade]

finally 🥹

[waxen nymph]

No

[feral umbra]

sad spear noises

Thanks for the info though! Now I can just focus on pinning people to walls with javelin

[feral horizon]

Any tips for next upgrade?

I'll probably try to get gloves with block instead of void resist, i have 73% without the gloves.
The hunt for 3LP relic and boots continue...
Better idols.
Better relic slam.
Chest with more health and better implicit.
Ring without lightning resist(dead stats atm.)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYJynV2A

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (8) / Forge Guard (8) / Paladin (67)

General:

▸ Health: 3,283, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 223.83, Regen: 10.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 85 Str / 12 Dex / 10 Int / 1 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 78% / 104% / 91% / 112% / 99% / 88%
▸ EHP: 22,062 / 22,062 / 22,062 / 44,779 / 22,062 / 22,062 / 22,062

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 69%, Threshold: 681
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (10,075)
▸ Block Chance: 87%, Mitigation: 61% (3,156)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Smite (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Blood of the Exile
• Valdyr's Chalice

[cobalt blade]

i think my bleed WP is pretty much completed

[grim fog]

I just have 0 clue wich way to go other than Void smite with healing hands for Lvling

[waxen nymph]

DOrb is nice

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/pvtvlad/character/voidcaster

This is what I am doing rn

Feels good so far

Just oblitarated Lagon

[grim fog]

I remember 1.0 Rive+Healin Hands

[waxen nymph]

Yeah... HH was busted though

[elder nebula]

Is this base actually better for bleed hammerdin? To me the wengari axe looks better, it only has 34% less chance to bleed on hit but it can have 16% bleed duration, wouldn't that stat be better?

[tardy mirage]

shiny

[tardy mirage]

yes

your gonna get your bleed duration from uniques/legendaries and idols

so the tiny bit from that does almost nothing

vs an entire extra stack of bleed per hit

for max rolled dragon bone axe

they definately both work tho so like if you manage to get wengari axe with the better stats just use it

waaait

[tardy mirage]

NO nvm

itwengari axe wont work

check a look at the bleed chance effect

wengari axe is limited to melee hits

so it would litterally only be the duration

[elder nebula]

Ahhhh, true. I didn't notice it yet. Thanks!

[tardy mirage]

same

[crude tapir]

guys, do i play VK spin2win or nah? never actually played sentinel

[tardy mirage]

nah

its bugged rn

[weary wren]

they fixed it on the last patch

[quasi totem]

Would a 1h/shield forged weapon build work as weapon damage only or would it need bleed and/or ignite due to lower base weapon damage?

[tardy mirage]

nice

[crude tapir]

so thats a yes? 😄

[weary wren]

yeah its easy and pretty strong

[alpine canopy]

I'd probably always go 2h or DW on forged weapon personally, but if you want to go 1h then yeah ailments sound the most promising.

[weary wren]

I think there is nothing on a shield that will boost the forged weapon build, 2H is way better

[quasi totem]

I mostly want to play with the auto-cast ring of shields 😛

[alpine canopy]

RoS does have some slight ignite synergy iirc

[tranquil nimbus]

so..... i have a bunch of manifest armor questions. I've done some searching already, but I'd appreciate any light yall can shed.

EHG said in ask devs that minions count as allies. I asked in ask community if manifest armor have ward, and someone said no. Is this all sources of ward? Will ward from healing hands to allies not work? or is this just ward generated from items

[alpine canopy]

Minions can have ward, I don't think there's any way to see it though. Notably, the missing health gained as ward affix doesn't function when given to minions

[tranquil nimbus]

so... I'd have to test by seeing how many hits it takes to kill the manifest armor in some semi controlled experiment

rough

I know the manifest armor doesnt count as its own minion, can it generate minions? like keepers gloves

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, or just giving them ward and making sure their health doesn't go down when they take damage (at least to verify that they are gaining ward)

[alpine canopy]

No, it cannot proc any skills from items, such as the swarm of bees skill on keeper's gloves

[tranquil nimbus]

any skills? so no fire aura or smite or whatever

ok

[alpine canopy]

Right

Another big thing is minions can't have attributes, so like they don't get the 4% armor from strength or health from vit

[tranquil nimbus]

manifest armor can have a forge breath. for player characters CDR doesnt work for skills not on the skill bar

does cdr work for manifest armor at all?

my guess is not because while the nodes specify a cooldown, the skill data rip from letools doesnt have a cooldown on the skills themselves... but maybe we're lucky/

[alpine canopy]

It should work for them

Also worth noting that you can remove forgebreath's cooldown

[turbid dome]

Hmm 🤔

[tranquil nimbus]

but it could let it taunt or whirlwind or charge more often?

I guess of those the one I'd care most about is taunt, followed by charge

is manifest armor affected by endurance

and stats the manipulate endurance

[turbid dome]

thats a good question

[tranquil nimbus]

🙂

[turbid dome]

I believe they can inherit endurance

given thats a more standard stat

[alpine canopy]

It should yes, barring bugs

[alpine canopy]

Minions are definitely capable of having endurance, I'm not sure if they have any base edurance or endurance threshold though

[tardy mirage]

does smite life cost happen if smite gets triggered? cuz bleeding heart looks like the same effect and it doesnt add bleeds to you

least with idols

[turbid dome]

bleeding heart says when you cast, triggering a spell does not count as casting a spell

[tardy mirage]

ye but how about the smite passive

the one that eats your health

[turbid dome]

it should consume your health no matter how you cast/trigger smite

[tardy mirage]

ic

ok ye smite shrine scary with that passive

[turbid dome]

get like any leech

[tardy mirage]

trie

true

[desert lodge]

does the sentinal evade ever automatically cue up another evade in the opposiite direction for anyone else? it has gotten me killed so many times

i will evade away from an attack and automatically evade right back into it

[tardy mirage]

make sure you arent double tapping it

[desert lodge]

i'm not.

[tardy mirage]

make double sure

[desert lodge]

i would evade in the same direction if that were the case. i evade backwards into attacks

[tardy mirage]

never happened to me ever but i keep hearing it

[alpine canopy]

Are you playing offline? I think I've heard recently people having issues with this

[desert lodge]

yes, offline

[tardy mirage]

ok that explains why i never see it ... but idk how lel

usually the bugs are the other way around

cuz of connection issues

[alpine canopy]

Seems to be an offline bug, unfortunately. Obviously a pretty bad one.

[tardy mirage]

ye thats bad

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, usually that kind of bug happens on online and not offline, very odd that it's reversed lol

[tardy mirage]

wonder if the abomanation bug still exists in offline

ye lol

[alpine canopy]

btw, this is one of those fuzzy lines - "cast" could mean anything, basically (really needs a cleanup)

[tardy mirage]

ye its weird

cuz we already have a term for you having to cast a skill for something to apply

direct casting

[turbid dome]

correct

[alpine canopy]

The funny part is, you cast attacks, too

obviously unrelated to cast speed

[turbid dome]

[leaden crater]

How good is Paladus for a void knight void smite on hit build?

[alpine canopy]

It's good, I wouldn't use it as the only source of smites though due to the 3/sec cap

[cobalt blade]

Never thought it would reach the day whr my unique gear progressions for 2 chars be completed. Whats left are getting the perfect perfect non-unique exalted (correct base type with perfect t7 and t5s) and murder Abby

This cycle will be complete for me after that

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Engiiiiiiiiiii

[tardy mirage]

lol

[feral horizon]

i've had that happen in online 3-4 times, so really not that often.
might be some connection catchup or something.
i have very stable internet so im not sure

[leaden crater]

What are other sources of smite?

Not at home rn so can’t check lol

[iron ore]

Javelin, warpath, judgement, lunge, multistrike, that's all I can think of

[cobalt blade]

There is also this that goes with Vortex Pennant

[waxen nymph]

That goes with any Throwing Attack > Javelin, Hammer, Shield Throw

[leaden crater]

Ooo

Thanks all

[waxen nymph]

And also you can self cast it

[leaden crater]

I could do multistrike and use a Shadow* Beacon when I get there as well 🤔

I like being this half caster anti-cleric

still gonna slot healing hands lol

[leaden crater]

Does the multistrike node that gives echoes more swords give more smites if slotted with the smite node too?

[weary wren]

Yes

https://youtu.be/NfmP27MjNYE

Dreadful made a build with multistrike echo smite

[leaden crater]

👀

[leaden crater]

I’ll do that for a while then try my hands at a shadow beacon variant

[carmine hinge]

i've been trying some warpath build recently and noticed that Healing hands with Seraph blade and Cleric's hammer only procs with the first hit of warpath. Is it a bug or it will only proc with warpath's first hit?

[cobalt blade]

Intended. Same for Eye of Reen. They only proc on direct cast. Channeling doesnt count

[carmine hinge]

got it, thanks!

[leaden crater]

Spam click warpath

Ez

[cobalt blade]

Well it works cuz they adjusted warpath to hit immediately whoever comes into the zone

[magic panther]

Its an intentional change. Made me repurpose a few builds.

[chilly peak]

I mean, just imagine HH would proc on WP hits. 🙂 Just speaking out loud already says this must be intentional

[magic panther]

yeah, it led to some broken interactions

[chilly peak]

WP-Smite is one of the strongest Pally builds around. It would just be OP to add HH interactions on proc ^^

[cobalt blade]

Speenz and healz, you spinz while putting your handz tgt

[kind crown]

Questions to the pros here: how do Forge Weapons scale off equipped weapons when dualwielding? They add stats from both weapons?

[waxen nymph]

Add both

[solid siren]

Was there any big forge changes in the past year? I have played on release only and it was VERY slow clearing game

[waxen nymph]

It got a bit of love

Just a tiny bit

[solid siren]

So not enough to be on par with paladin or runemaster?

[waxen nymph]

It got a bit tankier, but still has quite low dmg in the passive tree

Its close to Paladin but Runemaster is another beast

[kind crown]

i can maintain around 250 stacks of ignite on a boss just with forged weapons

let's hope that is enough

need Fiery Dragon Shoes

[turbid dome]

basically forge guard is close to being on par with the rest of sentinel

[waxen nymph]

Forged Weapons wont benefit from the Ignite Pen from the boots btw

[kind crown]

Yeah, good point

[turbid dome]

are there gloves that give ignite pen

[kind crown]

Maehlin's Hubris but only for damage, not pen

Burning Avarice actually could do the trick

[turbid dome]

burning averice doesn't seem like a bad option

would def up the not die of your forged weapons

[waxen nymph]

Hum... Burning Avarice gives 19% Pen so 19% More Dmg

I feel like Maehlin Hubris still wins

[turbid dome]

but also minion leech

or does hubris also give leech

[waxen nymph]

No leech on Hubris

[turbid dome]

tbh biggest negative to burning is that its a soul gamba unique

[waxen nymph]

But converted the bleed chance from a Bardiche will end up in way more Dmg than 19% or even 38% More Dmg

[turbid dome]

true

[waxen nymph]

And you can always resummon your weapons

[turbid dome]

also true

[kind crown]

100% of Bleed Chance Converted to Ignite Chance means that the bleed chance from the Smelter's Might node also transform to ignite?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[kind crown]

yeah then it's way better imo

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, the passives and converting a Bardiche with T5 bleed is going to be stronk

[kind crown]

i use 2x Eye of Reen

[waxen nymph]

For Ignite??

[kind crown]

yes

[waxen nymph]

Oo

400% Ignite Chance

Btw the Phantom Grip ring is kinda bug

[kind crown]

oh?

got 2 of those

[waxen nymph]

It seems to apply stats from all your gear to your FW

Not just gloves

[kind crown]

i noticed yes, cause i applied frailty and the only piece of equipment with frailty on hit was my relic

[waxen nymph]

So it might apply the boots' ignite pen. But not sure, and even if it does it a bug

[kind crown]

Even with bugs the build is C Tier xD

[turbid dome]

no matter how bad the forged weapon build is, phantom grips will always be an ok choice for most builds

flat crit chance for everything ❤️

[kind crown]

idd

[turbid dome]

Same thing with the prismatic gaze hat 🎩

It’s a little goofy

[waxen nymph]

Btw, a Bardiche with T5 Bleed and Ignite is 400% ish + you don't take extra dmg + you can get %Inc Dmg and AS

[kind crown]

and you can use titan heart, trading +9% dmg taken for -15% dmg

Yeah confirmed; frailty on relic applies to FW

[turbid dome]

[kind crown]

ring is bugged

[turbid dome]

ring is super bugged

forge guard isn't anywhere near the best

[kind crown]

so does it work with amulet too? Then you could have extra pen

[turbid dome]

thats sentinel

[turbid dome]

it should

[kind crown]

testing...

[turbid dome]

just to check, your not seeing frail stacks from you hitting stuff

to summon said forged weapons right

[kind crown]

no no

just the weapon

on dummy

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

So, how would you do Phys Crit Warpath?

I feel like VK is the way, you take Warslash and Echoes. Cyclone of War for the Phys Pen and Base Crit (DW Sword and Mace)

[iron ore]

Not FG?

[tardy mirage]

sad died to being afk in hc lel

least put salt the wounds in bank

[turbid dome]

Leviathan carver

[waxen nymph]

Why not, but why would I get for going FG?
Vk has a lot of dmg with echoes

[waxen nymph]

... Too slow?

[tardy mirage]

almost nothing

[iron ore]

Crit, AS and phy pen. Doesn't FG have more?

[waxen nymph]

Well tankiness but no dmg imo

[tardy mirage]

ye nvm im too dumb to play hardcore

[tardy mirage]

ye but youll still fold like paper when it actually matters

[waxen nymph]

It's fine I am a 200c warrior

[tardy mirage]

lol

[iron ore]

Is warslash a cleave?

[alpine canopy]

I agree, except warslash has kinda counter-synergy with echoes

[slow plaza]

uhhhh it does and it doesnt

because it gives you a way of dealing damage without needing attack speed

so in theory you can run like the super hammer and not be affected as much as a normal warpath build

the only problem being your echo creation is based on your MS

[tardy mirage]

you would need to be extremely lucky that echo triggers on the warslash tho

[slow plaza]

?

every single echo created from warpath creates a warslash

[tardy mirage]

wouldnt the echo just be normal warpath?

[slow plaza]

have you not tried it?

[tardy mirage]

no

didnt

[slow plaza]

it still warslash's at the end

one moment

I have footage of it

[tardy mirage]

nice

[alpine canopy]

No way am I ever going to run event horizon on warpath 👀

[tardy mirage]

ye i thought it just wouldnt do it unless it triggered when it happened

[slow plaza]

https://youtu.be/Lb0yPD9AyWI

this video is super outdatd

[alpine canopy]

Oh really, okay that changes things

[slow plaza]

but it gets the point across

yeah its a way of scaling warpath damage without scaling attack speed

it makes stuff like apathy's maw actually good

[tardy mirage]

ic xD

[slow plaza]

that video was pre 1.0 with bad gear, I bet you could hit way harder now

[tardy mirage]

ye prob

[alpine canopy]

Opens the door for leviathan carver, possibly, though only getting half benefit from the global warpath thing is a little unfortunate

there's also plague dragon tongue, then those 5 points could be skipped entirely... maybe higher floor, lower ceiling

[weary wren]

using volatile reversal will trigger the warslash so it works for lazy ppl that want to spam 1 button

[quiet hearth]

With a mace for that sweet sweet phys pen

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[quiet hearth]

Too bad there is really only one base for that

[desert lodge]

i need to mess around with phys pen. haven't tried it, i use a lot of armor shred tho. is phys pen a suffix?

[quiet hearth]

Yep, and is essentially a flat more multi

[waxen nymph]

The Melee Crit Multi one?

You could also go for a lp Renegade Will

[quiet hearth]

Oh I was thinking 2h lucerne for the flat crit

[icy raptor]

Hello, is Multistrike any good to trigger Smite or is Warpath better ?

[quiet hearth]

MS is decent but WP can hit the same target

[icy raptor]

Oh I see, thanks for the answer

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that one for sure. I'd need to do the math on renegade... it's possible that between the multi per VK point and katana or naal's you would have enough crit multi that the extra speed would help a lot.

(not accounting for other affixes)

[leaden crater]

How does this skill set sound for a Shadow Beacon Smiterstriker?

Multistrike, Smite, Erasing Strike, Healing Hands, Devouring Orb

Maybe I could do volatile reversal over devouring orb and just cast regular d orbs iunno yet

[quiet hearth]

I have found four of the judgement gloves playing a VK, Im being mocked

[turbid dome]

[warped night]

damn. I really tried to give multistrike forge strike a fair shake but my build instantly improved by just swapping from multistrike to rive

feelsbad

[turbid dome]

rive moment

[warped night]

feels like EHG forgot any sent skills that aren't named erasing strike, rive, or smite exist

[turbid dome]

palarus is cool, but why another smite one handed sword ;-;

[warped night]

it also blows my mind that there's no way to convert any of rive, multistrike, or vengeance to void or fire

[alpine canopy]

Then you can use one in each hand

[leaden crater]

I found one

[elder nebula]

Does bleed have a cap at 999 stacks on an enemy or is it just that the tooltip can only show until 999 but you are able to stack more bleeds on an enemy?

[chilly peak]

+999 is only the max display

[viral mesa]

Guys anyone play paladin judgement here pls?

[waxen nymph]

Which way are you playing it?

@viral mesa

[marble veldt]

void warpath any good?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[scenic gyro]

I summarized my warpath smiter in a little showcase as a end of season project, maybe someone will have some fun with it before it gets nerfed in 1.2 ^^
https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/1YkeEKdIJ8

[viral mesa]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZj3DWPB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (25) / Paladin (52)

General:

▸ Health: 3,582, Regen: 54.39/s
▸ Mana: 174.23, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 20 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 121% / 104% / 112% / 74% / 64% / 71% / 73%
▸ EHP: 14,211 / 14,211 / 14,211 / 19,028 / 12,745 / 13,599 / 13,865

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 716
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,594)
▸ Block Chance: 90%, Mitigation: 47% (1,817)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Judgement (24)
• Vengeance (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Healing Hands (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Transcriber's Graver
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Wing Guards
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Soulfire
• Snowblind
• Throne of Ambition

[viral mesa]

Like this

[waxen nymph]

Oh! Its the Conc Ground Stacking

I havent played it but I know about it

Do you need help ?

[small veldt]

Smite is very nice with warpath yeah

[chilly peak]

Ye it is a crazy nice build. I was out of time and mood to push beyond 1,1k - so same as you, but almost surprised you could run such levels with that defense.

What was the reason to pick Javelin, guess the buff node? (just had a quick view on mobile)

[scenic gyro]

Extra smites,heals and movement spell, it's quite handy and fun to use

[dry basalt]

Nice, here im struggling on 400c with same build

[chilly peak]

If you need some more/other inspiration. My proud outcome of 1.1 ^^
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B752kPJA

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (66)

General:

▸ Health: 4,736, Regen: 27.65/s
▸ Mana: 236.23, Regen: 11.78/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 99 Str / 24 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 118% / 74% / 76% / 108% / 101% / 108%
▸ EHP: 19,808 / 19,808 / 19,658 / 38,831 / 19,808 / 19,808 / 19,808

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,019
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (114)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,165)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (27)
• Smite (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Wings of Argentus
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Foot of the Mountain
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Vortex Pennant

[chilly peak]

Swadling and FotM are only stat sticks here (Red Ring(s)). Took the one cause the stats fittet halfway and the other cause of the lucky LP drop

[viral mesa]

Yes im on 200c but i die for this mow corruption

[waxen nymph]

You're going to give more detail. Maybe even link your profile/planner so we can have a look at what's going on

[turbid dome]

the quick look to see why your dying a lot is "Do you have crit avoid or reduced bonus dmg from crits capped"

[bitter hamlet]

Do you guys think an Attunement/ Mana stacking Judgement Pala with World Splitter would work?
Like using Judgment to dump all my Mana and regen it with Volatile Reversal/Rive or Vengeance and Mana regen?
I kinda worry it would just end up being Erasing Strike VK but worse but the Idea sounds fun to me.

[turbid dome]

its def a bigger boom each time you slam with that, tho the mana regen part is worrying

[bitter hamlet]

I was hoping the Deliverance and Holy war Node in the Judgement tree will make it doable but since there will still be a dps downtime I worry about having to spent a lot on defenses since leech won't really work I guess
Edit: Just realized I can just run Healing Hands but still, hoping the dps downtime won't be to much.

[turbid dome]

your dps downtime with that is entirely based on how much mana regen you have

would be a little funny to see you using time and faith + max attack speed rive to regen mana like its focus

[scenic gyro]

I did a similar build ages ago, you can solve your mana and sustain problem with direct cast smite+HH on smite

Takes some investment though

[turbid dome]

smart

[bitter hamlet]

And with world splitter I don't really need to build much if any crit strike chance because of the extreme Mana cost of Judgement so I can use those slots on accessories for mana regen too

[bitter hamlet]

using the mana regen on heal node in the smite tree?

[scenic gyro]

Direct heal and mana gain in the paladin passive tree +mana on smite cast on helmet
If you spend ALL your mana at once regen is nice but won't cut it, you will just sit there and die
Smite+HH solves both those issues

Also the double smite cast on direct cast(smite tree)

[bitter hamlet]

Makse sense, that probably regenerates way more than using Time and faith with rive or vengeance

I forgot that time and Faith also works with smite lol

thats really neat

[turbid dome]

the fact that double smite on direct cast and vk echoing smite are two different doublings is always funny to me

everyone gets a smite

[bitter hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty-smite-jim-carrey-jim-carry-jim-carey-bruce-almighty-gif-5451718

Oh I forgot that gifs don't work but it's the "Smight me allmighty Smiter" from Bruce almighty

[waxen nymph]

I am playing this rn
Its quite funny when everything proccs

[bitter hamlet]

that does actually sound really fun too, might go on the bucket list. What weapon do you use and do you include Devotion?

[waxen nymph]

Me? A wand and the Forgotten Knight Sword

[waxen nymph]

Be careful, the node that consume your mana doesn't count for Mana cost

[bitter hamlet]

Oh, kinda had a feeling that might be the case but good to know. Guess I can't ignore crit chance completly in that build then.

[viral mesa]

anyone can help me do julra4 pls

[jagged palm]

Any good erasing stike build?

[small rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDL7_FvdSog I like this

[turbid dome]

We love quad smite

[orchid hazel]

Hey guys, question about forge weapons. When it says "when a piece of gear stats apply to forge wepaons", does that mean...

• Implicits only?
• implicits + affixes with "minion" (minion damage, etc.)?
• just affixes meant for the player will now also apply to forge weps?

[autumn knot]

in HC, what corruption level do people usually push to that's considered "safe"?

like say I'm trying to get to level 100

feel like going over 300 is not smart

guess I'm kinda wondering if those level 100 guys on HC just keep pushing indefinitely and get there doing like 600c+ or if they tend to go a safer route between 200-300c

This is my current bleed hammerdin build at level 88. Still working on getting the right gear optimization going but I'm afraid to push too high of corruption too fast. Doing 150-ish right now and it's not so bad. Would appreciate some insight 😄
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Ap6DnGRB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 88

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (8) / Paladin (58)

General:

▸ Health: 3,130, Regen: 36.82/s
▸ Mana: 140.98, Regen: 13.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 97%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 12 Dex / 10 Int / 1 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 146% / 96% / 113% / 95% / 95% / 92% / 103%
▸ EHP: 9,869 / 9,869 / 9,869 / 15,048 / 9,869 / 9,869 / 9,869

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 626
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (4,628)
▸ Block Chance: 50%, Mitigation: 49% (1,830)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Smite (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Blood of the Exile
• Aurora's Time Glass
• Valdyr's Chalice

[alpine canopy]

It means all stats on that piece of gear that can be applied to minions are transferred, implicits and everything included. Certain things just don't work or aren't applicable to minions, like attributes, missing health gained as ward, and complicated stuff like skill procs.
Affixes that say minion already apply to them since they are minions (technically, they also gain the stat - for example, "minion damage" gives them "damage" as normal, but their special effect causes them to also gain "minion damage", which doesn't help them at all because they don't summon minions).

[turbid dome]

if you used say that bone scythe (Bone Harvester) that summons skelly vanguards on kill would the forged weapon have a minion?

[orchid hazel]

wait a min... ^ is that one of thosee "certain things that don't work"?

[turbid dome]

probably

[tardy mirage]

dont think so

most unique effects dont yet

[turbid dome]

damn you non inheritable affixes

[tardy mirage]

they said they would look into making them tho in the future

not that one specifically xD

i vaguely remember that from 1.0

[orchid hazel]

Do you guys also know if stats can apply past 100%? let say a node applies stats of item at 70%, AND an item that applies stats at 70% == does that mean that same item will apply stats at 140% towards the minion?

[turbid dome]

given how the animated armor nodes, I'd assume they would stack

[tardy mirage]

they stack

[orchid hazel]

damn

lol got one of these rings to drop and it just got me thinking
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwjMBYA4g0

[tardy mirage]

nothing found

but imma guess you talking about the forged weapons one

rn its bugged so its alot stronger than it should be

[orchid hazel]

aww lane, but yea phantom grip

[tardy mirage]

ye rn it is giving you % of every equip on your char and not just glove

[orchid hazel]

lol that's busted af

[tardy mirage]

ye not intended ... afraid once it gets removed tho it will be irrelivant oof

they already struggled before it got added

but idk

[lilac sparrow]

How to play VK warpath

[quiet hearth]

spin, echo, keep spinning

[alpine canopy]

Nah, summons are skill procs technically, and none of those work on minions

[chilly peak]

I farmed a beacon at around 200

[waxen nymph]

Time to swap ??

[turbid dome]

[tranquil nimbus]

does 'Force of Impact' (armor->damage for manifest armor) scale with %armor increases on the body armor? What about %armor increases elsewhere?

[warped night]

it's just the flat armor on the body itself

[quiet hearth]

I honestly think having FG minion scale with your items innately would be a great take.

[warped night]

manifest armor does innately scale with your armor pieces and forged weapons do scale with your weapons

[quiet hearth]

It doesnt, you have to take nodes, that isnt innately

[alpine canopy]

All FG minions innately scale with certain equipment slots, you don't need nodes for it

[warped night]

The nodes make it scale further with them

[alpine canopy]

Yep, there are nodes on MA to add weapon and shield scaling to it, but innately it's just armor

[quiet hearth]

Right, I mean like really scale, you shouldnt need to take all those nodes to make him operate properly

[tranquil nimbus]

does anyone else feel like we're being trolled by +level to Manifest Armor being a Helm prefix instead of Relic?

[quiet hearth]

Yeah some of those are weird

[warped night]

definitely would make more sense on a relic

although it's not like MA lacks for damage

[quiet hearth]

It kinda does, mostly becuase it's attack skills dont work half the time xD

[turbid dome]

[warped night]

who needs attack skills when you can just bonk it with shield throw lol

[tranquil nimbus]

so.. Virtue of Patience is the node on the Healing Hands tree just before Seraph Blade. It slows your 'cast speed' among other things, but then Seraph Blade converts Healing Hands into a melee attack. Is melee attack Healing Hands affected by cast speed, or attack speed?

sorry, found that one with the search, nvm, it scales with cast speed and it might be a bug

[alpine canopy]

It scales with melee attack speed when it's a melee attack. All the cast speed stuff on the HH tree gets converted to attack speed.

[quiet hearth]

I wish Sent had a fire melee spam that wasnt shield bash, of course if WP worked with HH we wouldnt have this issue.

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

Rive used to convert to Void

The next step was getting a Fire Conversion

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, would love to see Rive getting a fire conversion

I just wanna have a good feeling melee attack to abuse Ruby Fang set with

[warped night]

fire and void conversions for the sent auto attacks when

maybe give one lightning too

[quiet hearth]

No one uses AAs in this game

[turbid dome]

Forged weapons do

[quiet hearth]

Those are things, not people, no matter what the void tells you engi

[heady ginkgo]

Healing hands void knight its a good build to make 3k corrupt on this patch?

tell me

[autumn knot]

for bleed hammerdin in HC, what's everyone's thoughts on using Flayer's Pride shield or Salt the Wound gloves instead of exalt items? Feel like those uniques favor offense over defense

[waxen nymph]

I like Flayers

Not a fan of Salt

You already have a lot of Pen as a Sentinel

[autumn knot]

eternal gauntlets (especially with the experimental affix) seems pretty crucial for survivability against DoT