🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

vitality is damage + defense

[harsh nova]

a t7 vit is worth almost 400 hp in my build

[turbid dome]

they specificly nerfed ward builds and ward is still too strong

[turbid dome]

with or without % increase

[harsh nova]

after increase

you get 10 hp per vit?

[turbid dome]

6

+2 from vk

[compact trout]

8

[turbid dome]

+2 from apostates

[harsh nova]

so yeah, it scales extremely well considering you can basically disreguard damage on rings

[turbid dome]

note: apostates is stinky and stops you from using volitile reversal so its bad

[harsh nova]

the flat that you gain allows you to gain defense elsewhere

[turbid dome]

wait

does VR just reset your hp despite apostates

I only ever put the two together on a build that didn't change its hp from apostates

also ignoring that apostates also turns off leech for 4 seconds when you use a spell

[harsh nova]

🐒 please no

for that smite build surely

[turbid dome]

You could maybe cook something with the weaver rings + smite + apostates but no if your doing that just use devotion

[supple iris]

Do you have to spam click through dialogue or can you X out and have it work?

[turbid dome]

Good question

[compact trout]

Why tho

[harsh nova]

for the rifts

[compact trout]

It ain't no spell...

Ooooh then where spell tag

[harsh nova]

It's on the void beam spell that gets cast if u hover over the node

[supple iris]

You have to spam click through dialogue, figured, but... You know

[compact trout]

So without beams that does nothing?

[harsh nova]

yer

[turbid dome]

Void rifts that erasing strike inherently makes are a sub skill

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it casts void rift on kill

[compact trout]

I'm having a hard time undrestanding what part of erasing strike is hit and what parts is rift

[turbid dome]

Erasing strike inherently casts it for you on kill

[compact trout]

Oh

Now it's clear thanks

[turbid dome]

It makes a void rift whenever you kill something with the bonk

[alpine canopy]

Rifts are hits, too

[turbid dome]

That too

[supple iris]

My wife just happens to be leaving for a conference on Thursday... I want to take a few days off work and go hard ont he reset 😉

[compact trout]

So wait vitality just get's me 1% more for every 3 points

[alpine canopy]

they are just a small circle area spell void damage pop, helps mop things up a bit but not a super big deal

[compact trout]

Ain't no way im slaming t7 Vit versus t7 %life on my body then

[supple iris]

How many skillpoints does rive need to start feeling better than unspecced hammer throw? ;P

[turbid dome]

3 vit gives 1% more melee void damage, 24 max health, 3% poison res, 3% necrotic res and scaling for a lot of void knight skills

It helps that poison res is one you want to overcap

24 vit would give, 8% more melee void dmg, 192 max health, 24% poison res, 24% necrotic res

[supple iris]

Does ES + VC want tons of vit too? Along with mana?

[turbid dome]

If your bringing rive it doesn’t need a ton of mana, but it’s a Gen and spend sort of play style

[supple iris]

I mean late game... I know you eventually want like 1k mana

[turbid dome]

Vitality helps because making the void rifts from erasing strike do a lot of damage means one bonk and a lot of stuff dies (on top of everything else vitality gives)

[turbid dome]

I thought you were meaning early, late game 100% stack mana for world splitter

[compact trout]

But they have 75% added damage effectives(

[turbid dome]

Yes

[compact trout]

I feel like t5 vit + t7 %life is better than t7 vit + t5 %life, still

For erasing strike at least

[turbid dome]

To be honest I don’t bother with slamming a chest plate most of the time for vk

[compact trout]

Why?

[turbid dome]

None of the uniques really call out to me as being great for it

Beyond like the new one that gives dr with overcapped res

But good luck getting that with a lot of lp

[compact trout]

I thought the same but titan heart with 2lp is like one - two prophecies

[turbid dome]

God not titan heart

Yes I want to die even faster to dot

[compact trout]

What do you mean 15% less damage taken will help you with dots alot more than what...35 regen per second?

[turbid dome]

While Lagon’s empowered hp regen blessing is a thing, I’m not tossing my regen

[compact trout]

But Lagon has mana(

[turbid dome]

I’d rather turn my base like 20 hp regen into 180 hp regen, than get 90 mana

[supple iris]

Does MG want to vendor gear for gold? Is it worth?

[compact trout]

Double t7 %life on your body armour with 15% less damage takin, just imagine

[turbid dome]

If it would work with one handers, sure

[compact trout]

Yeah...for that we will need to kill aberroth couple hundred times

[turbid dome]

[compact trout]

Cool chest, i always remember smough form darksouls when i look at it

[turbid dome]

Facts

Honestly the fat harbringers too for thinking of smough

[compact trout]

True

[compact trout]

No way, maybe some uniques at the start if you are not lazy, most items cost like...40 gold

My idols are 3g

[supple iris]

What's the best way to farm gold? Besides actually getting stuff to sell? Just farm as normal?

[turbid dome]

Farm as normal

You can sell extra uniques + set items

[compact trout]

Keys

[turbid dome]

But most gear other than those sell for sub 200 gold

[supple iris]

I should probably look up an MG guide haha

[turbid dome]

Build enabling idols sell for a lot early cycle

People will pay a premium because farming idols is owie

[supple iris]

Oh yeah, I need to find or make a more buld agnostic filter than I normally do for that very reason...

[compact trout]

Even good hp + hp idols are decent money but you will get very low rep for them

For rep i think best option is cheap unique with high lp or something like that

[supple iris]

What's the general order for rive nodes? Do you want to giga charge the third strike? Take the bottom right nodes minus the one that skips 3?

Or do like left side ignite or bleed stuff?

[turbid dome]

I normally go for weapon specialist, the node that doubles echo chance and scrap metal/foe reaver

Idk if the node is actually called for reaver but it doubles the dmg stats from your weapon

With that you can still get the big 3rd hit crit

[supple iris]

Do you put all 5 points into the dmg bonus that is tripled for echoes or do you branch into the atk spd side first? Or go brutality and skip the crit and armor shred stuff?

[turbid dome]

Tripled for echos is nice, crits better tho imo

Tho you should be able to grab both, eventually

[supple iris]

Well yeah, I just want to have a general idea for order of operations so I don't have to keep referring to a guide or something

[turbid dome]

I'd go for double echo chance -> foe reaver + scrap metal -> crit

[harsh nova]

we're doing null ports now?

would love to get one of these in 2lp for sure

[supple iris]

Seems like a good option to me, for sure.

[harsh nova]

like he said just hard to find the spot for over res instead of just stacking hp otherwise

and running champs

[supple iris]

Yeah

[harsh nova]

this is the rive tree for full crit

ripples and brutality by far ur 2 best nodes, ripples gives all hits damage so is better value

[supple iris]

Oh sweet, ty for that!

[harsh nova]

attack speed is actually huge value as well, because you need to look at ur overall change in attack speed, depending on build. if ur only rocking 25% and u add another 24% u basically double ur damage

and if ur looking for a gen and spend build, def want it

[hollow seal]

how can i cast void cleave while channeling warpath? i saw this guy do it this cycle without interruptionand i'm unsure how it's possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOTlZWKZ1o

jk solved it

[harsh nova]

it just does it

[hollow seal]

nah

it doesnt

u need hat weapon for it to

thank u thought, i figured it out

[harsh nova]

have u made it a movement skill

[hollow seal]

yeah it still stops u from channeling sadly :/ (without this weapon, sigh sucks)

[mental knot]

Stops channeling warpath regardless of nodes in the tree, need the 1H wep to make it not interrupt warpath channeling

[cobalt blade]

Wow no one talks about Worldsplitter for Warpath

Am i playing a build that is so 10,000 years old that no one go for it

[turbid dome]

🤔

actually no critchance

[cobalt blade]

Engiiiiiii!

[turbid dome]

wickeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

[cobalt blade]

Maybe it's just me playing a weird ol combo that less peepo wants it

[turbid dome]

fair

[cobalt blade]

Or maybe like draven always said, my warpath variant needs a rework... copium

Should i try a 2LP Apathy at this rate

But i cant go t7 flat void dmg still, it gotta be a t7 crit chance

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Reason why i went and try dot build, no fixation with crit and alot more affix room unless i go salt the wound

Feels odd with my VK when the build is so unpopular lol

[alpine canopy]

I think the issue is really that it's not a combo, world splitter doesn't really have any synergy with warpath

Yes apathy would probably be better unless you have some insane slammed world splitter with T7 flat crit on it

[cobalt blade]

I only use it for warrior's fury. Other variants of warpath normally wouldnt spend any mana

[cobalt blade]

I am thinking of finding another 2LP woldsplitter to replace mine. I should prolly get the t5 flat void instead of my existing armor shred

[turbid dome]

mana cost per second from warrior's fury isn't a mana cost

in the sense of what world splitter wants

[cobalt blade]

Not sure how much that will improve dps but getting another 2LP world splitter and getting thru eternity cache is a pain

[cobalt blade]

Yea, mainly worldsplitter for the mana, mana regen, and crit multi per 10 max mana

[turbid dome]

I'd say just slam manafused onto an apathy's maw

[cobalt blade]

^ vs the insanely high flat void from apathy but losing the crit multi 🤔

[turbid dome]

if you just want the crit multi I think you'd be better off with just a crit multi affix slam

on an apathy's

[cobalt blade]

Cant have too many affix. 2lp apathy with t7 crit is already a must

[turbid dome]

get that base crit and get that crit multi = ez

[cobalt blade]

World splitter got them as bonus

Lmao

Crit multi over flat void?

[turbid dome]

world splitter is giving you +0.5% crit chance, Ima not count that as a thing

[alpine canopy]

You still need T7 crit on your world splitter to crit reasonably

[turbid dome]

unless your like giga juicing erasing strike's cost, yeah

[alpine canopy]

Alternatively, you could get an odachi or sun beak

But apathy is so strong if you're void

[turbid dome]

thats the power of a free T7 melee void dmg

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, to be clear I mean specifically for warpath

[turbid dome]

ye

[cobalt blade]

My current weapon

I should really reslam it or do a 2lp apathy

[turbid dome]

that on a 2lp apthy would be a lot better imo

[cobalt blade]

Mana, mana regen, crit multi and flat void fighting for my attention

Cri

[alpine canopy]

The thing is, you can get a sizeable chunk of crit multi from the VK tree. You are sorely lacking in flat damage at this point, and not many places to get that aside from the weapon slot.

[turbid dome]

^^^

[dry basalt]

Is there hidden tech somewhere that i didnt realize? 30 manacost es give 15 + 5 base + 9 on es tree, 29 base crit just need some decent % crit elsewhere?

[turbid dome]

There’s a node that gives extra mana cost next to the flat crit node

+15 mana cost per point so that’s 7.5 flat crit per point (up to 3 points)

With this amount of flat crit you then just cap with a little bit of crit chance on other gear

[dry basalt]

Oh ok he/she mean for warpath my bad, all cool

[cobalt blade]

So solely on total base flat void (conversion of adaptive damage taken into account), apathy have roughly 30-40 more than worldsplitter. On the other hand, my current mana is around 550, that translate into 55% crit multi if i use worldsplitter

I am skewed towards world splitter for the additional benefit of mana and mana regen

Comfiness factor i guess

Prolly will reslam a 2LP worldsplitter with T7 crit chance and t5 flat void

How important is the 100% doom chance from apathy

Essentially 18% extra melee dmg taken by enemies at 4 stacks

But i am also using shattered chain and 1 siphon too, so there is already chance to apply doom but warpath status ailment application is abit

[harsh nova]

doom only gets better as your other buckets get bigger because it's in it's own bucket. for instance if you have 400 cd and 1000 increase damage ur literally giving urself 80 crit damage and 200 increase damage

for this a lot of people will say it's required yes

a big difference however is how much ehp you can actually get on a shattered chains, without a 2lp with 2 ehp affixes on it you can really be missing a lot of health compared to an exalted and have to balance more ehp elsewhere anyways and losing you near the same amount of damage as not running doom. so for that reason it's not required but just strong

[cobalt blade]

Yea i am still using exalted belt until i get a 2lp chain

[harsh nova]

to get a 2 affix chains is like 150 shade kills, it's basically unrealistic

1.35% chance to get a 2lp and 1/6 to hit the slam, so even worse

[blazing grotto]

there's also the nemesis route though

if you manage to drop a good chains

[harsh nova]

lpl 70 it's super not common from nemesis

i managed a 2lp chains on my first one this cycle, and the 4 after i bricked

[blazing grotto]

i meant egg not the random one though

but yeah it's so easy to brick stuff in there (and while slamming)

[harsh nova]

i just think people put too much strain on actually having a 2lp chains, when you could do fine without it

like if you get a better ehp belt u can go more damage on ring ect it ends up being fine

[blazing grotto]

i think only one of my chars actually uses the chains anyway so i live stress free for sure

[harsh nova]

yeah i won't be running it on my forge guard

[robust lake]

while uncommon nemesis is the most feasible way - got a 2LP Null Portent that way, took a bunch of them though (around 30 iirc, my rng in games is horrendous)

[blazing grotto]

what i hated most was throwing dozens of sun seals at him

istg i'm cursed with that item when it comes to making a legendary

[turbid dome]

wait nemi can get boss drops on it without the egg?

[blazing grotto]

no i was saying to slam through egg

with a 0LP

but i think veritas was mistaken about what we were saying

well, what I was saying at least

[turbid dome]

oohhh I see

for some reason I read it as you could get it to show up or use the egg

[blazing grotto]

i do find it annoying however that boss drops are frequently 1LP

[turbid dome]

and then I got confused cause its a boss drop

[blazing grotto]

this just bricks items pretty much

[turbid dome]

it feels weird wanting 0lp over 1lp

[blazing grotto]

idk if all boss drops are completely exclusive, but checking the loot table might surprise one with a "Random Drop chance"

[robust lake]

with how you can force eggs through neme spawns it's the most addicting and legit way of getting high level unique LP stuff rn

with decent luck you can get 2 eggs per minute

[blazing grotto]

yep

[turbid dome]

I'd be surprised if a boss drop wasn't exclusive

[blazing grotto]

but then again font forget it's only efficient for fast clearers

some people try to 100% all maps

and take hours to reach that point

[turbid dome]

there will always be fast and slow builds

and fast and slow playstyles

[blazing grotto]

yeah that too

[turbid dome]

most things in argps will only be turbo efficient for fast clearers

[blazing grotto]

my completionist OCD kinda screams at me all the time when i dont try to clear a map

[turbid dome]

🫂

thats why I like having the echo objective thing, makes my brain go and I"m done here

[robust lake]

yeh thank lord, no sustain no brain just click and blast

[blazing grotto]

i mean we could have had an option to just enter and come out anytime we want, as long as we "purified" enough

without a need for a boss objective

since the normal mobs also drop most of the items

[turbid dome]

isn't that kinda the ambush echos

just kill stuff -> kill slightly bigger thing -> leave

[blazing grotto]

yeah thats what i meant

such echoes are fine

but the ones where you have to look at 3 corners of the map to find stuff, and hope for a nemesis/mage on the way ... pain

not to mention some dont have straight corridors

[turbid dome]

yeah

I think its rotting fortress? I love that echo because its one big line (imperial era Wengari Fortress)

I hope next cycle includes something for arena echos

like after you finish it a random thing pops up (nemi, exiled mage, a cache, etc.). Also have the option of fighting a single more difficult wave (scaled to have 20% more corruption than your current corruption) to get a second one

[blazing grotto]

isnt that the one they removed ?

[turbid dome]

no I def got it a lot this cycle

[blazing grotto]

for the next one i mean

[turbid dome]

no idea

plz no take my rotting fortress away

even tho I've died on it in hardcore like 10 times

[blazing grotto]

they said it in a recent patch that they're removing a map (or 2) because it doesnt suit the content or something anymore

[turbid dome]

dang

rotting fortress did have like 3 spots for extra content

and was one massive chokepoint so it was easy for a mega blob of enemies to build up

[blazing grotto]

that might be it

but it's weird i always assumed it was the map that you arrive in after fighting with yulia, right before meeting heorot

when you return to the past

[turbid dome]

wait in the campaign?

[blazing grotto]

yeah

but removed in echoes ofc

[turbid dome]

thats solarium -> solarium ascent -> mourning grove(where heorot is)

I think

[blazing grotto]

yeah but it's technically a wengari camp too

i love clearing that map because its really short, easy (maybe too much of both) and efficient

[turbid dome]

?

There’s no wengari till you go past herobora

It’s a mix of ice elements vs solarium forces

[blazing grotto]

arent the wengari part of the solarium forces though ?

[turbid dome]

No their a third party

[blazing grotto]

really ? i always thought they were of the same group

the lore even indicates a joint assault on two fronts or something at some point

[turbid dome]

I think the only time their allies to any humans is in the blood ice and frost timeline where the humans and wengari team up to fight the immortal empire

[turbid dome]

I always read that as the wengari are attacking because the heroborans are already being attacked

I could 100% be wrong tho

I just also don’t see the wengari surviving solarium’s wrath

[blazing grotto]

well i could too, but i went through the lore the first time i played the game

true

[turbid dome]

Only lore thing I want to be confirmed is if the player takes a snipping of the friendly dryad

Gib tree friend

[blazing grotto]

cosmetic pet hah

like a personal groot

[turbid dome]

My brain was thinking to have her show up in the end of time and in the post echos room

And say random words of encouragement

Sorta like the new POE pet/follower who trash talks you

[blazing grotto]

i was honestly hoping to find more past characters in the EOT

[turbid dome]

Yeah

I suppose once the campaign is finished we’ll get more

[blazing grotto]

like in an event we werent part of, they managed to use the epoch to send the last remnants there

i kinda liked the story behind harbingers with our forgotten knight

[turbid dome]

Ye

Nice explanation as to why she’s a grumpy fella

[blazing grotto]

however i really thought she would have been someone we knew "a long time ago", like the leader of the rebel camp in imperial era or the female leader in first town

[blazing grotto]

grumpy ? she's a tsundere lmao

i wasnt sure if she was but that story with the squire was funny

[turbid dome]

One can be both grumpy and tsundere

I wonder if we’ll get a farming mini game cycle with the friendly dryad

[alpine canopy]

You can do that btw

Sadly it doesn't make it a permanent addition to EoT, would be cool though if it did

[turbid dome]

yeah you get one at the end of lightless

The dryad's voice actor is super goated too

[turbid dome]

actually an EoT npc for beating each dungeon on the hardest difficulty would be cool

[alpine canopy]

Have you grown the spriggan? It's pretty hard to do in online mode sadly, but I think PerryThePig made a video of it

Saves a lot of effort lol

[turbid dome]

this sounds like bait

I thought there wasn't anything past talking to the Spriggan friend

[alpine canopy]

Nope, you can grow it in EoT. Takes like a mana regen shrine or some other weird stuff. It doesn't work well in online mode though

It's one of the most obscure easter eggs that we know of I think

[turbid dome]

ah

got a youtube link? google is not helpful with it (its all spriggan form builds)

[alpine canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0Bwe2tzKM

[waxen nymph]

@barren lark Moving it here because to not spam the dev channel

I did try it. It's very hard to scale because its a Spell and it kinda sucks

[supple iris]

If leveling Rive/ES hybrid, what are the key nodes I want to aim for firs tin ES?

[turbid dome]

Early on the extra flat void dmg is nice

the heal on kill/hitting things node is good

More dmg vs 12 time rot is good

Crit multi is great once you get the guaranteed crit from void cleave

[barren lark]

Okay sadge

Was cooking something as a warpath forge guard trying to cast as many spells as possible. I'm perfectly fine with it being a spell, I'm not fine with it being cast by the minion heh

[alpine canopy]

Ooh, warpath is getting a buff, kinda

Small change, but should make clearing noticeably better

[compact trout]

For 2h - for sure, probably won't be noticeable dual wield (if it's even played by anyone)

How does dual wield works by the way? Attacks alternate between main and off hand?

[turbid dome]

treat dual wield as one big weapon expect if your using a skill that has explicit duel wield effects

[supple iris]

For VC + ES do you guys prefer the variant with healing hands + sigils + anomaly or something different?

[turbid dome]

VC + ES + Healing hands + Volatile Reversal + Rive

[compact trout]

Oooh so stats from two weapons combine? Even base atack speed?

[turbid dome]

unless these patch notes change/rework VR, its a huge dmg increase

[turbid dome]

unsure about base attack speed, but everything else is added together

weapons are stat sticks for your skills

google says it should be the average of your two weapons for attack speed

but otherwise treat it like you have a twohanded weapon

[supple iris]

What aobut when you can get to infinite bonk spam?

[alpine canopy]

It'll probably still be noticeable, you'll kinda get a double hit for your first tick on an enemy

[turbid dome]

Erasing strike + healing hands + volatile reversal + whatever you want

given you have 100% uptime on erasing strike you don't really need much else

[supple iris]

Haha, fair enough. How early do you try to pick up healing hands in the leveling process?

[turbid dome]

around the time you get back to the divine era, I put 5 points into the paladin passive that gives attunement + ele res

since you have time and faith with rive for leveling you don't need it that early

also keep in mind time and faith just happens, you don't need to hit something to proc it

[compact trout]

It's not that bad then, but considering 2h affixes are twice as powerful as 1h...i dunno probably an option if you like some 1h unique, like Aurelis

I can run sword + anything, right? Or was it only sword + sword

[turbid dome]

sentinel can only put swords in the offhand

so anything main hand, sword offhand

[compact trout]

Cool, thank you

[turbid dome]

for this, yes but also keep in mind a higher base attack speed (compared to a twohander) is very strong too

[compact trout]

Agree but tbh i thought difference in base AS between 2h and 1h is higher tbh

Maybe i want to try Ladle + Aurelis...

[turbid dome]

0.18 base attack speed is big

[compact trout]

Is Ladle considered decent unique or a meme? It looks cool, but base kinda sucks

[turbid dome]

alchemist or mad alchemist

[compact trout]

Everyone running with wrongwarp but sentinel can't use it much

[compact trout]

Mad of course ahaha

[turbid dome]

mad alchemist used to be amazing for a devouring orb build but then mad alchemist got a cap on how many more dmg stacks it could get

so its ok now I think? I dont see many people using it

[alpine canopy]

They only have 83% higher stats

[turbid dome]

that too

[compact trout]

I have lp3 one sitting in my stash, sounds like if don't miss a slam completely it should be better than decent dragonhorn wand

[supple iris]

I totally didn't notice I already have VC unlocked, should I spec that before or after healing hands?

[turbid dome]

in VC + ES you need both VC and ES speced asap

VC gives your next ES a 100% crit chance

[supple iris]

Yes, i have those two speced, but should 3rd be VC, healing hands, or VR?

Oh wait, durr, I have Rive + ES, not VC

[turbid dome]

get that void cleave

[supple iris]

Gotcha

[turbid dome]

you want both obliterator in the bottom left (hit something -> next erasing strike with in 4 seconds is a crit) and then gravity's edge which makes it a movement skill

[supple iris]

That I did know

[turbid dome]

then I normally go for the node that makes VC do time rot on hit

so its easier to get the 100% more dmg for erasing strike vs enemies with 12 time rot stacks

[compact trout]

For smite with dual wield i probably want to go VK, right? My first thought was paladin but there are a lot of passives that require shield and tbh stacking attunement on a sentinel that takes more damage because of dual wield doesn't sound like a great idea to me, with VK i can change Smite scaling to Vit and stack it instead, get huge and die to two hits and not one

[turbid dome]

you can't void cleave if your not using a twohanded sword or a twohanded axe

I believe the smite swords are both one handed

[compact trout]

I made a typo VK, not VC

[turbid dome]

ah

I think paladin is still better for smite? plus the palarus sword is a thing so you'd probs want to be using two of those

[supple iris]

Nah, one in off hand and a wand or sceptre

Two gives a higher proc chance, but not more procs per second cap, so it doesnh't really help much

Better to stack +spell dmg

[turbid dome]

I like the thought of two Palarus cause then you get a ton of armor from your strength but I get your point

[compact trout]

I was leaning more to this one + wand it main hand, wording on palarus sounds like it will do nothing for single target but i might be wrong

[supple iris]

I mean, you absolutely can dual wield them, but I like the dmg scaling from a wand or a well slammed Culver's

[turbid dome]

palarus is more to help clear imo, the multi casting smite helps a lot

but strength stacking is always funny to hit the armor cap

[supple iris]

What I did on mine for clear was use the throw proc smite idols with the axe chance relic.

and the throw chance paladin passive node

Absolutely wipes echoes, but the ST dmg is ... meh

[fair hollow]

more patch notes with no increased area bugfix MA 🙃

[compact trout]

Need to think about this more, now that i think about it more - void smite with electrify sound counterintuitive but i don't even know how DoT works in this game tbh

[supple iris]

Also means storm totem and tornado are still gonna be ridonkulous haha

[compact trout]

Will % lightning damage scale Electrify?

[supple iris]

Yes

[compact trout]

But not % spell damage, right?

[supple iris]

Not sure, you can hold alt on an electrify node and get the tags I think?

[turbid dome]

electrify is an aliment right?

[supple iris]

Oh hmmm, it doesn't show. Yeah, I think it counts as not melee or spell, it's specifically dot

I think anything that goes under their healthbar is an ailment, pretty sure.

[turbid dome]

biggest thing for smite is getting all the sacrifice node for 250% more aliment dmg

read through this page if your new to aliments:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/ailment_mechanics

[supple iris]

Does lightning smite want to build into electrify? Maybe that's where my ST dmg is lacking

[turbid dome]

dots are pretty strong

[compact trout]

I will, thank you

[turbid dome]

if your already scaling lightning damage and not doing crit it wouldn't hurt

[supple iris]

Am doing crit though

[turbid dome]

ah

[compact trout]

So, Electrify itself has only DoT tag - that means it will not scale with % lightning damage?

[supple iris]

Was trying to do a one-button wonder WP build, but am not very happy with the dmg or the survivability. Partly it's a gearing issue, but... Feels bad to grind out gear on it

[alpine canopy]

If you're using aurelis yes, and maybe if you're using tu'rani

[alpine canopy]

It deals lightning damage, so it scales with lightning modifiers

[compact trout]

Cool, so stuff that increases lightning damage, but not flat since it isn't spell nor attack, damage over time modifiers, stat scaling for skill that will apply electrify and it's skill tree, i think i got it

% elemental should work too i think since lightning is an element

[alpine canopy]

Right

[turbid dome]

if there was something that was like +flat dmg to damage over time I'd guess it would apply to it, don't think thats a thing tho

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, and important to note that if you want to scale electrify, you don't want to convert smite to void - taking the thing that makes smite scale with vit effectively removes smite's attribute scaling for electrify and the void convert takes priority over the lightning convert, so it makes it hard to stack electrify chance

[turbid dome]

plus doesn't paladin get way more lightning dmg support in the 2nd half of the tree

[compact trout]

I wonder how attribute scaling for DoT works exactly, like let's say i have 40 vit and my smite gets 40 flat void from it, that means that electrify will deal 44 lightning and 40 void as base damage?

[alpine canopy]

Spell and attack DOTs usually have an added damage effectiveness, so they get flat added damage

[compact trout]

Oh i guess Toast answered that

[turbid dome]

oh wait does the skill that applies the aliment use its flat scaling on the aliment

I should go re-read the page I linked

[alpine canopy]

No, effectiveness of added damage is specific to each skill and ailment and can't be inherited

electrify and other generic DOTs like it don't have added damage effectiveness, so they get no benefit from added damage

but DOTs like spirit plague get added damage

[turbid dome]

ah

[compact trout]

Can you elaborate please, Smite by default gets 4% increased damage per attunement and that works for Electrify because % increased damage works for DoT, but with VK passive Smite gets 1 SPELL damage per vit and that does not work for Electrify because it's not a spell, i got that right?

[alpine canopy]

That is correct

[compact trout]

Sadge, no vitality stacking for me then, thank you

[turbid dome]

imagine if time rot got flat spell scaling

[alpine canopy]

That might make it viable

[turbid dome]

[compact trout]

Is there decent void dot builds anyway? Easy access to void leech in VK tree and leech rate form anomaly with void dot sounds strong

[turbid dome]

abyssal echos I think

time rot caps at 12, future strike has negative support, doom is weird too

abyssal echos can slap

does devoring orb have a dot effect

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, ravenous aura for clear and abyssal echoes for single target works pretty well

[alpine canopy]

No

[turbid dome]

darn

[lunar hazel]

This ravaging aura / disintegrating aura guide shows aberroth kill, seems ok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyODid0kduQ

A traditional one would be using Abyssal Echoes' Decay damage and hitting it rapidly with something like melee hit, devouring orbs or maybe smite. Always watch out in devouring orbs + abyssal echoes builds which one it's using as damage and which one as support.

[turbid dome]

does warpath work for hitting it rapidly

or is warpath weird with that too

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[lunar hazel]

Warpath works for hitting abyssal decay, that's why warpath has that node that casts abyssal echoes for you. You can also cast more echoes with Void Cleaves potentially.

Warpath doesn't inherently attack any faster than Vengeance for example but it's fine. You could get more hits from triggering smites.

[alpine canopy]

that's actually how I do it in by build, I sit in warpath all the time and proc AE with VC

[compact trout]

That looks cool, that scepter is basically was made for it, forgot about it

[turbid dome]

welp now I want to do a pure void warpath build with auto cast smite to spin2win

[alpine canopy]

Warpath hits twice as fast as vengeance

[turbid dome]

plus with the new mini cycle changes to warpath it will be extra nice

oh wait I'm guessing echo hits also trigger abyssal echos

[alpine canopy]

yeah, any hit works

[lunar hazel]

They both have 1.467 base attack speed though? Vengeance also has attack speed node.

[waxen nymph]

Hammer Throw Disintegrating Aura

[alpine canopy]

warpath innately hits at twice its attack rate

[lunar hazel]

You're correct. I couldn't actually find that in lastepochtools builder, only in the game. 🙏

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, unfortunately skill alt text isn't scraped by LE Tools, apparently it's stored very weirdly compared to other text

[turbid dome]

[lunar hazel]

And on the other hand game doesn't show stat like base attack/cast speed of the skill. 🤷‍♂️

[quiet hearth]

well they got me, gonna be here for that free mtx

[turbid dome]

free mtx?

[turbid dome]

I just wana see a skills crit chance without doing math

[quiet hearth]

For the cycle event

[turbid dome]

did I just not look at that part of the announcement

[cobalt blade]

uhh Toast talking bout this

but does it mean... muh spin gonna hit rahyeh while moving in and out or around the bird's aoe?

[turbid dome]

oh this box

[alpine canopy]

It means you'll more consistently hit at your full hit rate if you're weaving in and out of range, and you'll usually get a double hit in to enemies you initially move into while clearing

[turbid dome]

idk time to cycle start vk warpath with abyssal echos and auto casting smite

[alpine canopy]

yeah, I'm starting warpath for the cycle just to try the one skill that got changed 😂

[cobalt blade]

still cant visualize it.. sumthing to do with the spin animation?

[alpine canopy]

I was originally going to go full meme and run HH with the anti-undead node for the skeleton killing, but warpath it is

[turbid dome]

warpath used to tick every x seconds and does damage to everything in the zone, so something could enter the zone right after a tick and vibe there not taking dmg until the next tick

now warpath stabs them when they enter the zone but you can't dance them in and out of the zone to do damage faster

so no more akward hits from an enemy that dies in one stab from warpath because they entered the zone at a funny time

[alpine canopy]

What Engi said, so while clearing enemies will take damage from you "last" tick immediately when they enter range and then get hit by your next tick, where before this patch enemies will only be hit by the next tick

[cobalt blade]

nth to do with this right

so imagine i have a spinning sawblade around me

it is a constantly sawing and dishing out damage

instead of waiting for it to finish a spin, thus a tick?

[turbid dome]

think of warpath as a zone on the ground that explodes every 5 seconds, if you enter the zone on the previous update, you need to wait till the next explosion before you take damage

now you get hit by an explosion when you enter the zone and then another one when the next every 5 seconds explosion happens

[cobalt blade]

I like this example

[turbid dome]

yay

[lunar hazel]

🎉

[cobalt blade]

Is it gonna change visually how the damage text are displayed? or the ticks

[tardy mirage]

spinning sword/mace/axe xD

[turbid dome]

it does a tick when an enemy enters the zone, then it does the normal thing it did this cycle

so I guess you might see two damage numbers close together

[alpine canopy]

No, a number will still pop up for each hit, just the timing may be different like above

[tardy mirage]

its weird but hey

[cobalt blade]

Okie tenks

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

lol

[alpine canopy]

Hm, now the question is, what flavor of warpath to do

[lunar hazel]

Leviathan Carver warpath

VK of course - you can get double echoes without converting dmg type or ailments. 😉

[warped night]

really feels like everything pally and fg can do - vk can do better (save for the exclusives ofc)

[turbid dome]

paladin and forge guard do not dying better

[warped night]

depends heavily on the build

[turbid dome]

that goes for anything

but in general forge guard and pally get higher max hit

[warped night]

sure, but paladin and fg lack flavor imo

[harsh nova]

forge guard is a fire knight? he does it pretty well

and the whole tree supports armor and shields

[warped night]

I think unless you're doing a minion build then you can usually do it on vk better

like rive, warpath, etc.

[harsh nova]

those are universal skills

[warped night]

yeah well most of sent's primary damage skills are universal

[turbid dome]

forge guard is not just a fire knight, he's a blacksmith knight

[harsh nova]

and yes void knight is the highest damage output just from the 1 point that gives u 80 cd 😆 but the other trees give much more defensive things than void knight

[gusty abyss]

VK might not have direct support for fire, both there is nothing stopping a VK going fire either. Echoes will work all the same.

[turbid dome]

defensive stuff on vk's tree = Eternal Form, Time Flux, Abyssal Endurance, The Leech Node

basically everything else is damage or mana sustain

[warped night]

idk I think the choice between vk and fg/pally shouldn't be "do I want to do <insert skill here> with more damage or tankier" it should be "do I want to do x build, or y build"

[turbid dome]

^

[warped night]

that's my biggest issue with it

[harsh nova]

ur never going to have a rive build in all 3 specs that are equal

and that makes picking a spec less meaningful

[warped night]

that's not what I'm saying though

[harsh nova]

you want to do rive in any tree that was what u said

[turbid dome]

that is a fair point, but if your not leaning into what makes the specs unique, why got them? like why go a forge guard if your not planning on using the special forge guard stuff

[harsh nova]

if u want to make a rive paladin you have no support

[warped night]

that is not what I said at all

[harsh nova]

you did

[turbid dome]

void knights special thing works for a lot of builds, so it makes sense that its generically good

[harsh nova]

if you want to play rive you best build is in void knights

[warped night]

x and y are different variables, signifying different builds entirely

okay here's my point:

• most of sent's primary damage skills are universal
• pally and fg's exclusive skills are mostly bad or uninteresting
• this leads us to choose the same sets of skills, and the mastery choice boils down to "do I want to do these skills with more damage or more survival"
• this is bad class design imo

[harsh nova]

that's not true at all tho

[warped night]

it is

[harsh nova]

the other trees have more defensive capabilities is the point and support for different types of damage

[turbid dome]

1. every class works like that with non mastery skills

2. this is an opinion

[warped night]

at the end of the day rive is rive

[harsh nova]

just because one is the best for damage doesn't make the others worse

[turbid dome]

forge guard and pally skills slap

just look at draven's giga pen forge guard creation

[harsh nova]

forge strike huge damage

[turbid dome]

the minions are cool + strong

[gusty abyss]

Anyone gets healing hands and sigils though, dunno pally could really use a killer 4th ability ^^

[turbid dome]

judgement on pally is fun af

[harsh nova]

pally is the least diverse spec of all the sentinels

[turbid dome]

yeah

[harsh nova]

im running a forge guard with zero void skills in it right now and it's performing just fine, even using a spear

[warped night]

not saying those specs are bad but unless you're running judgement or minions then vk can do it better

and even then vk manifest armor can compete

[harsh nova]

it can't play forge strike 😆

[warped night]

well obv

[harsh nova]

forge guard also has much more crit support within the tree itself and gains more from things like armor shred for physical builds

[turbid dome]

strength -> crit multi node?

[harsh nova]

ill reach the same corruption on forge guard as i did on my rive knight guaranteed

[turbid dome]

forge guard is great for strength stacking

[blazing grotto]

Judgement aura on pal is fun though

[warped night]

never argued that they weren't fun

[harsh nova]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BE5jaMMB here's my forge guard atm

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (29) / Forge Guard (63) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,396, Regen: 138.63/s
▸ Mana: 134.59, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 15 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 219% / 108% / 109% / 127% / 106% / 64% / 77%
▸ EHP: 7,899 / 7,613 / 7,613 / 10,471 / 7,523 / 5,693 / 6,383

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 679
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,382)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 26%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (22)
• Rive (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Lunge (20)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Null Portent
• Plague Dragon's Tongue
• Stymied Fate
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Phantom Grip

[blazing grotto]

I meant it's not the best but it's worth playing

[harsh nova]

something will always be the best is the thing

just because one spec has more damage nodes in the tree giving the most damage output doesn't mean the other ones can't specilize in other things for builds that want support in that way, void knight in concept is literally a zerg knight that smashes damage.

[warped night]

my argument is that if vk can do the same thing as pally and fg then it is the best at that thing in the current state. I don't think there's enough builds unique to fg and pally

[harsh nova]

that's because people just look for big damage numbers

there's hardly any content being made on the game or class either

for the entire 1.1 cycle so far you only find like 3 builds and then smelters wrath bug

[turbid dome]

void knight barfs out damage

people who want to see big numbers go it, this doesn't mean the other specs are worthless because they do 20% less damage

[warped night]

never said they were worthless just said vk was better at it

[gusty abyss]

Treshhold passives could do alot for Pally

[turbid dome]

unless your pushing corruption that damage doesn't matter, but even then the other specs end up better because they have way more not die stuff

[harsh nova]

vk does damage better

not other things

that's the point

the spec is literally designed to be the biggest damage dealer of the class

[warped night]

I mean in arpgs doing more damage is kinda the whole point

[turbid dome]

void knight does damage better, paladin does sustain better, forge guard does taking less damage better

[warped night]

you can't stall your enemies

[blazing grotto]

....or you could say pal is doing the same thing as vk.

[harsh nova]

you absolutely can with bleed paladin lol

[turbid dome]

can't do damage if you insta die

[warped night]

yeah but vk isn't insta dying

[harsh nova]

these games are determined by survivbility until you reach a critical mass

[turbid dome]

void knight also does have a skill that literally stalls

[blazing grotto]

Hmmm it can be

[warped night]

sure and so can a fg if you don't build it right

[harsh nova]

saying if u don't x y or z is the weakest arguement u could have

[turbid dome]

equal investment and builder skill, a forge guard will be tankier than a void knight and a void knight will do more damage

[harsh nova]

like no shot if u put the wrong stats on something it doesn't work

that's like saying the sky is blue

[turbid dome]

pally will do something I haven't built a pally in a while

[harsh nova]

no shot pally isn't the target of most of the sentinel work

would like to see mor elemental support for pally

[turbid dome]

pally is generic af rn, but still has interesting ways to build it

[harsh nova]

make lightning pally go brr

[warped night]

yeah it's boring as hell

[turbid dome]

I said generic not boring

[warped night]

I'm saying it's boring

[harsh nova]

fine i cycle start paladin 👀

judgement pew

[turbid dome]

Have fun using the pile of uniques for pally

[harsh nova]

there's only 69

[turbid dome]

More than forge guard

[harsh nova]

actually really liking this on the FG

but the ranges on it so wide

25-47 atkspd

might swap to a more fire based build and push ignite damage a bit, puts up so much with the phys rive tree

[warped night]

could try sword catcher too

[turbid dome]

Always funny seeing a unique built for one thing being awesome for something completely different

[warped night]

*cough* jasper's *cough*

[turbid dome]

[harsh nova]

yeah i just hope to find a 2lp

[warped night]

I haven't found one either 😔

tbh I don't find many of them at all, but I'm not actively looking for 2h axes

[harsh nova]

and then the skill range actually makes such a big difference, like hitting 35% atkspd isn't so bad but hitting +3 skills hurts

i didn't run prophecies for them so i never saw any

this node is bonkers in FG btw

there is so much crit support in FG i love it

[warped night]

the fg passive tree rework was really nice. I hope the skills get some love too

[harsh nova]

haven't taken a look at smelters since the nerf

[warped night]

I cannot stand that skill lmao

I wish they'd delete it and do something else

[harsh nova]

channel skills just so bad

...in a fast pace game

rebuke at least makes sense

[tardy mirage]

should add that to tooltip hunt

per point of stength ... but the actual thing says per 2

[warped night]

there's a few typos and inaccurate tooltips in the new fg passives iirc

[harsh nova]

it is 1 crit multi per 2 str btw

but yeah ill post it 😆

[turbid dome]

wasn't it orignally 1 crit multi per 1 strength then got nerfed before release

[quiet hearth]

Yep

Also I know Im late but RIVE SUPERIORITY

[warped night]

that would have been a bit crazy tbh

[quiet hearth]

Not really, look how much VK gets for a single point

[warped night]

yeah but as people continuously pointed out to me before fg gets much more survival than vk so it balances out 😉

[quiet hearth]

Uh, not really lol

[harsh nova]

this node is very disproportional in damage, but it's fine for a damage spec

and yes. forge guard has way more defensive support.

it's not even close

can't forget this one

[quiet hearth]

lmao most of those nodes are terrible

[harsh nova]

if ur not using a shield sure

[quiet hearth]

even with shield

[harsh nova]

it's an armor stacking class and the most deadly things in the game are dots which u need to stack armor to mitigate

[quiet hearth]

Whatever you say Nacho, you have your opinion I have mine, is what it is

[warped night]

smh where were you an hour ago

[quiet hearth]

at work mostly

[turbid dome]

nacho please dont tell me your taking the wacky +10 armor node for anything but block chance

[harsh nova]

nah u want the block chance so u don't need rolls on gear

[turbid dome]

ok good

[harsh nova]

maybe i try ignite hammers 🚩

[turbid dome]

why wouldnt ignite hammers work

[harsh nova]

should work fine

[turbid dome]

then why the red flag

[harsh nova]

more of a lightbulb 😆

[quiet hearth]

Im not sure if I tried that or not at some point

[turbid dome]

I am extremely confused as to why your using a red flag for a light bulb but you do you

[harsh nova]

probably half cooked anyways

[turbid dome]

those are the bestest

[quiet hearth]

Void dmg converted to fire when

[turbid dome]

Illegal

[compact trout]

I want void minions

[harsh nova]

void manifest node when 🫣

[turbid dome]

Forge guard gets a mech when

[harsh nova]

😆

[turbid dome]

Void knight gets actual pain for gain mechanics when

[quiet hearth]

Paladin gets super holy man mode when

[compact trout]

Turns potions in to wine on pickup

[harsh nova]

yeah i wanna just turn into a holy mech myself

jacked up paladin

[warped night]

replace smelter's warth with a mech pls

[turbid dome]

Yes

Pros: it’s a giant mech

[warped night]

honestly that would be dope

[turbid dome]

Cons: you have a giant hitbox

[warped night]

could be similar to a druid form

has options to juice up minions and/or forge strike

[turbid dome]

I was imaging like a druid form but instead there’s nodes where you slot in a different sentinel skill so you can use it in mech mode

[harsh nova]

rainbow edge ignite hammers

[turbid dome]

If you run out of hp in mech mode, sentinel bails out as the mech explodes and the mech skill becomes a weak melee attack. Hit the exploded mech enough times to fix it and jump back in

[turbid dome]

Good heavens!

[harsh nova]

to the builder!

[turbid dome]

Good luck

[compact trout]

You need to pay gold for repairs, if don't have enough they take your gear and you go to jail since mech was company property

Hope EHG will add that to the game i think it fits perfectly /s

[turbid dome]

Damn even in the end of time I still gotta listen to my managers bs

[harsh nova]

alright, it might be time to use 4lp kestrel

[turbid dome]

dang

[harsh nova]

one thing that is upsetting about forge guard is the move speed, pick my man out the dirt please

[turbid dome]

nah he thicc af

[warped night]

use t7 move speed suloron's or blood of the exile like I do lol

gotta go fast

[quiet hearth]

I sometimes dont even have MS on my boots

[turbid dome]

mood

[harsh nova]

even with blood of the exiles ill only have 75 movespeed atm 😭

my void knight was moving at 130, darkstrides busted tho

[warped night]

darkstrike vk is a helluva drug

makes 75 movespeed feel slow

[harsh nova]

🏃‍♂️

[turbid dome]

live fast, die young

void gang

[harsh nova]

if we go ignite hammers and prioritize fire damage smite might actually do something also 👀

not having salt the wound hurts for ignite

[turbid dome]

get cast smite on throwing attack hit idols -> get sacrifice -> get ignite chance -> moar ignites per hammer throw

[harsh nova]

build lookin kinda nice so far gotta finish relic amulet then skills

[turbid dome]

👀

[harsh nova]

the ignite rate is comparable or better than bleed hammers, it's just the pen im concerned about

but we can use flames of midnight and the dragon boots

[turbid dome]

other than the pally node, is there other fire pen to grab on tree

use an event horizon just never do a melee swing

[harsh nova]

😆

lets just dual wield instead of shield

fook it

[turbid dome]

[harsh nova]

shred fire res applies to ignite doesn't it

[turbid dome]

ignite does fire damage so yes

[harsh nova]

sometimes it's the simple things yaknow 😆

[turbid dome]

shred is just lowering their fire res, I'd be worried if it didn't work

[turbid dome]

big mood

[harsh nova]

this should cap out so fast

[alpine canopy]

yeah, even just the silly axe proc in the sentinel tree works fine for that

[harsh nova]

so is this saying you cap at 1 stack or each attack gives 1 stack

[alpine canopy]

each hit gives 1 stack of each, res shreds cap at 10 stackss

[harsh nova]

that's how i read it just making sure 😆

[harsh nova]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A85J8RnQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (61) / Paladin (22)

General:

▸ Health: 3,526, Regen: 123.84/s
▸ Mana: 100.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 41 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 0 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 280% / 64% / 64% / 77% / 65% / 104% / 114%
▸ EHP: 10,191 / 9,181 / 9,181 / 16,620 / 9,265 / 10,191 / 10,191

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 705
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,861)
▸ Block Chance: 49%, Mitigation: 39% (1,225)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Lunge (20)
• Smite (20)

Used unique items:

• Burning Avarice
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Ashes of Mortality
• Flames of Midnight
• Rainbow Edge
• Rahyeh's Light

[harsh nova]

she's done as a start, need to figure out where the block fits in better

how do i build it in offline 😆

[warped night]

if you use maehlin's gloves you can use a bardiche or dragonbone axe and convert that to ignite. can also get more value out of the smelter's might passive. then you can also make use of the "bleed chance while wieldinng an axe" prefixes on helm and chest

[harsh nova]

really interested how adding in chill and shock helps the echo clears cuz u get the ailments even without scaling damage

imagine just perma stunned cuz all the shock

[warped night]

won't work without increasing your stun chance a lot more

plus stunning is reliant on big damage hits, which is difficult to do on a DoT build

[harsh nova]

yeah there's just a hundred hits

even if u could get up to 10% chance to stun could do some work 😆

[warped night]

the only builds I have that can reliably stun are my bonk vk and my lightning chakram bd

[harsh nova]

it actually adds a ton of damage having chill and shock also cuz universal damage

last column

[warped night]

chill and shock don't deal damage

you're maybe thinking of frostbite and electrify?

[harsh nova]

yer

[warped night]

while chill and shock do provide some nice utility I can almost guarantee that they're not worth giving up all of the extra ignite

[harsh nova]

chance or pen, hard to say until i play the build to any capacity

cuz it's missing a ton of pen compared to bleed

[warped night]

that's true, but in that case a firestarter's torch is probably better than the rainbow edge

[harsh nova]

nah i have 1500% DoT already and like 600% chance to ignite, ignite chance should be much better value than just increase damage

pen or ignite is a much different situation

cuz it's only got like... 60 pen?

[warped night]

firestarter's isn't increased, it's 26-42 more

[turbid dome]

how does the ignite work out vs bleed, with bleed having higher damage but a 3 second duration and ignite having a litle less damage but with a 2.5 second duration

[harsh nova]

legit no idea, i'd build it in offline if it was easy to do

[turbid dome]

I'd be tempted to cheat in a character or two for offline mode and test it out

[harsh nova]

that's the idea 😆

rather test a few characters that way while servers down and see if i wanna push for something

[turbid dome]

40 dmg over 2.5 seconds or 53 dmg over 3 seconds 🤔

[warped night]

bleed is almost always going to be stronger due to the sheer number of uniques it has at its disposal

[harsh nova]

salt the wound alone is hard to compete with

[warped night]

blood of the exile, salt the wound, chalice, flayer's pride

plus sent has huge pen w/ bleed prefixes on helm and chest

[harsh nova]

smite is going to backup a good bit of damage for this, hopefully

[warped night]

and bleed duration there as well

thing is, smite is just as good for bleed 😄

[harsh nova]

yeah but u can scale the base damage

[warped night]

the base damage doesn't really matter when you're scaling DoT though

[harsh nova]

it's not meant to double, but a 10-20% dps increase just from smites is significant

[turbid dome]

I do wish a lot of the ignite stuff wasn't built around acolyte

[warped night]

yeah but bleed is going to do way more than an additional 10-20%

[harsh nova]

and i don't think it's ever going to be better than bleed that's not the point

[turbid dome]

theres at least something tho if you use hubris

[harsh nova]

i do very much think this build could do high corruption tho

[warped night]

well you seemed to be entertaining switching to bleed so I pulled on that thread

[harsh nova]

nah i don't wanna run bleed

[warped night]

yeah then that's moot

but I still think firestarter or an axe w/ maehlin's is going to get you much stronger ignites

[harsh nova]

would just be fun to run smite hammers

and actually do 5-800c

[warped night]

they killed smite hammers this patch 😔

[turbid dome]

the biggest downside to these gloves is that its not atrophy, but this would help you get a ton of ignite chance

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, firestarter is pretty much BiS for ignite builds that can equip it

[harsh nova]

firestarter so easy to get 4lp in also

[alpine canopy]

it's also the right type for global fire pen while channeling warpath

[harsh nova]

[warped night]

alright, completely different topic, but how dumb do we think event horizon lunge vk would be

[turbid dome]

very I think

[harsh nova]

i don't like the Cd for the build

was thinking a lunge jav build with spear maybe tho

but that was the main issue is just the wait time

[turbid dome]

pros, immune while lunging super slowly, downside its lunge

where is the base damage coming from and how are you going to deal with the cooldown with event horizon stacked up

[harsh nova]

the distance and speed of lunge is super nice, but i don't like it much out of a value skill

[warped night]

actually you don't lunge slowly with dilation. lunge seems to have a set movement speed

[turbid dome]

its also frustating to use for boss fights

[turbid dome]

huh

today I learned that

[warped night]

yeah I was surprised myself when I tried it, but lunge dashed straight to the target at full speed even with 10 stacks

which is why I started cooking lol

[turbid dome]

damage along path node, convert to void, paranoia?

[harsh nova]

i would just bring like rive or something to do something otherwise is how i feel initially

[turbid dome]

just lunge through everything?

[alpine canopy]

I think this proccing smites is the closest we'll get

[harsh nova]

every other node for lunge is extra damage also 😆 i liked it for the frenzy node or whatnot on the bottom

[alpine canopy]

to a real lunge buildd

[turbid dome]

ok ima go cook with a lunge + damage along path + paranoia thought

[warped night]

that's what I was doing lol

[alpine canopy]

I just think lunge itself as a main damage isn't going to feel good because you can't hit a whole pack with it

but if you have it proc smites on arrival and a barrage of javs that proc smite on hit, you can clear a pack for sure

[harsh nova]

btw in the offline files you might need this

[warped night]

I got this far

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bg3pPrdB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (71) / Forge Guard (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,335, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 108.66, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 49% / 17% / 27% / -58% / 49% / 32% / 32%
▸ EHP: 6,279 / 5,007 / 5,346 / 5,042 / 7,135 / 5,533 / 5,533

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 617
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,990)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 86%

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Dilation (10/10)

Used skills:

• Lunge (29)

Used unique items:

• Paranoia
• Titan Heart
• Event Horizon
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Siphon of Anguish
• Shattered Chains
• Suloron's Step
• Ravenous Void
• Nihilis

[harsh nova]

or LP affix slots on that long line

[warped night]

gotta double check that there isn't some weird interaction between paranoia and dilation though

[turbid dome]

my dumb thought is stacking as much cooldown reduction as possible while also using the jungle queen chaps with the experimental affix that does a flat reduction to your traversal skills when you chug a potion

[warped night]

aw hell yeah you still move fast with lunge with 10 stacks of dilation

this might just be dumb enough to work

[turbid dome]

something stupid like this

[warped night]

idk if that'll be necesasry with the cdr from paranoia, the extra charge, the cdr for movement skills passive, and the cdr on anomaly

[turbid dome]

I wana remake flicker strike in last epoch

[quiet hearth]

Best I can do is stacking CD VC

[alpine canopy]

Paranoia has negative CDR

[alpine canopy]

You can do it with black blade, but it doesn't actually move you, just mirages of you lol

[turbid dome]

Hmm

[cobalt blade]

Feels like being called out on my bleed warpath pally. Totally not pally-ish themed build

[warped night]

oh right

rip

[cobalt blade]

We should be able to summon voidlings to fight voidlings!

[harsh nova]

😆

things are already getting weird in offline

[cobalt blade]

It takes baby Engi(s) to kill baby Engi(s)!

[cobalt blade]

Why this reminds me of troll warlord and faceless void from dota

[turbid dome]

beans the black blade of chaos comes from the lagon harby

[alpine canopy]

Game didn't crash, that's progress

[turbid dome]

I like that a hat becomes an axe

[fallen forum]

does "-3 mana cost for melee skill" implicit reduce the channel cost of warpath?

[harsh nova]

😆

[turbid dome]

no, mana cost =/= channel cost @fallen forum

unless i"m being dumb

[harsh nova]

basically ur better off just finding base items and then just adding lp to it in offline

cuz there's no item database

[turbid dome]

nacho am I being dumb

[harsh nova]

they are different

[turbid dome]

ok phew not having a brain drain

[fallen forum]

thank

[turbid dome]

these nodes will reduce its channel cost

reckless spin tends to look scary, but its ele resistance so its pretty easy to get

[harsh nova]

there's the channeling ring also

super nice early on

[turbid dome]

this one?

[harsh nova]

yep

super nice early on just grab that and a couple timeline res and ur chillin

maybe the one relic / amulet with res

[fallen forum]

the mana nodes in warpath tree are really good. sticking to 4 mana per second for now.

was just hoping i could cheese it with implicits but fair enough lol

[turbid dome]

theres a good amount of bases that will give resistances

[harsh nova]

yepper

most of the trees have res early on also

[fallen forum]

-30% is definitely worth it. not a huge deal.

[turbid dome]

yeah yoinking the all ele rez from paladin and abyssal endurance from void knight never feels bad

especially give hh and vr are basically core

[harsh nova]

def missing Vr on my current forge guard

the instant heals from nukes are so nice

[turbid dome]

the void misses you too

[alpine canopy]

Yes, it does

[fallen forum]

o?

[cobalt blade]

Did someone mentioned channel cost

[alpine canopy]

Using a relic with that implicit, you can get warpath down to 0 channel cost (or save a point and leave it at 1 mana per sec)

[turbid dome]

dang I was wrong

thanks for the save toast

then why doesn't the channel cost give crit with world splitte ;-;

[fallen forum]

if thats the case, ill definitely leave it at 1mps

[turbid dome]

or does it and I'm dumb again

[cobalt blade]

It states mana cost

[alpine canopy]

For some reason, -mana cost and mana efficiency effects apply to channel costs, but everything else that references mana cost does not relate to channel cost at all lol

[turbid dome]

fair enough

[cobalt blade]

Sadly

The argument for more reduced cost vs warrior fury to go beyond 5/5 so i can spend the mana faster and VR to recover mana fully

[turbid dome]

dang

I forgot falconeer gets %max health as endurance threshold

[alpine canopy]

I think the silly reason is it's just a result of their implementation - stuff that triggers from mana cost/spent needs the mana spending to be directly linked to the thing to affect that thing, and channel costs are just like mana degen rather than being spent for each attack instance

[turbid dome]

after 5 points in the tree

[turbid dome]

thats makes sense

[alpine canopy]

this comes in 3 stages for me, first I forget about it, then I read it and it's neat, and then I remember the fine print that it's only when not hit recently

[turbid dome]

ye

[cobalt blade]

If ya guys can feel me

Maybe not the best representation but you will get it when u have higher mana pool and see how it interacts with warrior's fury and VR

🥲

[turbid dome]

Warriors fury 6/5?

How you getting an extra point

[warped night]

meme in shambles

[cobalt blade]

More like memeing it to be 6/5 so it drains mana faster but you also want reduced channel cost so you can see the spinz gets stronger, faster, thicker

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Contradicting affixes gaming

[supple iris]

I don't suppose anyone knows where I can find a good loot filter that color codes VK stuff as well as MG useful, more build agnostic stuff?

[dry basalt]

Es enjoyer, how important % doom chance on ring? Ive got 2pcs 3 lp but only 13% chance to doom

[winged cedar]

Hello! I got a question regarding playing skysplitter erasing strike void knight. I want to play it now in the cycle refresh event. I understand that I need to play something else until i can get the item and some crit rings. But whats good to start with before? Is autobomber still supergood or what to go for? Rive seems kinda slow? Just curious whats around

[waxen nymph]

You can play VC + ES with the auto crit node

[lunar hazel]

With high enough mana / low enough cost you can also activate Azurral's Fury for those four seconds before Reversal. 💪

[cobalt blade]

Oh interesting lines

[turbid dome]

doom is always nice to have, but doom shouldn't be a make or break for your build

[supple iris]

Maybe I need to spend the rest of the couple hours before reset setting up a filter, since no one seems to have one for MG... Only the build specific garbage on maxroll or letools 😦

[polar spire]

so a long time ago i made a minor question/joke on that, because warpath spins 1 direction, if you spin around an enemy the opposite direction, will it hit the enemy faster and more often? Everyone said this wasnt the case and I was thinking about it too hard

BUT WITH THE NEW CHANGE TO WARPATH

I WONDER IF THATS THE CASENOW

[turbid dome]

its not

[lunar hazel]

Add devouring orbs that spin around you, then it'll matter. 😄

[turbid dome]

[polar spire]

killjoy

[turbid dome]

[onyx ember]

💪🏿 Bleed hammer💪🏿 + blocks paladin = big HC boy. Prove me wrong.♿

[turbid dome]

sustain ✅

not melee ✅

defensive layers ✅

makes sense to me

[quiet hearth]

still more than we get

[dry basalt]

doesnt matter anymore, i manage to whiffed the t7 for both of them👍

[turbid dome]

🫂

[turbid dome]

Endurance threshold based on armor when

[chilly peak]

🥹

[turbid dome]

forge guard: gets endurance threshold based on armor

void knight: gets endurance threshold based on missing mana

paladin: gets endurance threshold based on... uh... faith?

[chilly peak]

Pala just gets endurance threshold!

[turbid dome]

pally gets reversed endurance threshold because he wants to stay at high health for some things

[chilly peak]

Now we're talking

[turbid dome]

so it protects the top 20% of his health by default

[chilly peak]

We can really work on that one... 🤔

[turbid dome]

add a few things that also proc when falling under your endurance threshold after that reverse endurance threshold node

[chilly peak]

You're playing with my feelings now good Sir 🙂

[turbid dome]

I just drank a pot of coffee

speaks through me

[chilly peak]

Btw, I need to confess 🙂 After 2 Sentinel seasons, I'll cheat on you. Will have a Primalist season next one 🦂

[quiet hearth]

My dude, I made so many alts this cycle

[chilly peak]

😄

Had a few here and there, but mained Pala since I started in 1.0 ^^

[turbid dome]

Pally endurance passive nodes with some more thinking:

Conviction of Man:

Gain 2% of your maximum health as endurance threshold. 5 points maximum.

connects to Divine Barrier

Divine Barrier:

Your endurance threshold now starts at your max health and works it way down. 1 point maximum

connects to Mortal Wrath

Mortal Wrath

While under your endurance threshold, gain increased 1% increased damage per 10 endurance threshold. 1 point maximum

[quiet hearth]

only ones I didnt do are necro and rogue anything

[turbid dome]

sad minion gang noises

[quiet hearth]

Not a minion guy

[turbid dome]

entirely fair

[quiet hearth]

too passive for me, FW work because Im still doing something that whole time

[turbid dome]

I do wish Last epoch had minions like POE's reaper and transfigured holy relic

reaper lets you recast it for it to attack a spot and the holy relics shoot where ever your shooting

You could try a sacrifice build

[quiet hearth]

I got enough RSI than playing those

Im likely gonna do drive by VC again if I can get the sceptre

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Either that dw palarus bear, because that was just stupidly good

[turbid dome]

you need the goofy combo that is the bear set + double shattered lance set

[quiet hearth]

casually regening like half your hp orb per second

[turbid dome]

it makes me wish set items didn't stop being useful so quickly

[quiet hearth]

I think giving them WW would be a good idea

[turbid dome]

thought: don't put the WW directly on the set item, instead its added to the items set bonus, so for example with the forgotten knight's set, it could add affixes to either the 2 set or 3 set bonus

wouldn't want a set item to end up being the most useful by itself and not as at least part of its set

[quiet hearth]

I think straight WW is fine, it's so random anyway, maybe less WW to make it harder

[turbid dome]

power level its probably fine, but I dont want set items to become just a green unique

gotta play around with the set

[quiet hearth]

I mean, that's all sets essentially are. d4's idea of having the affix be unique that gives the good stuff wasnt a bad idea imo.

[weary wren]

Greens should be upgradeable only by nemesis

[quiet hearth]

not no but hell no to that

Wait nvm, I was thinking harbinger, nemmy is ok

[turbid dome]

My point was more I don’t want to see builds using a single set item. To me if you want an effect a set item has on it, you should need to have more than a single part of the set equipped.

For example the sun forged cuirass can generate a forged weapon when your hit, to my knowledge this is a unique effect. Idk what build would want it that bad, but making a system that would allow for set items to be used without most or the rest of the set goes against the spirit of an item set to me

[quiet hearth]

Cound just be a sunforged affix and the more you have of those the more you get

[turbid dome]

are you saying turn the set items into special affixes?

[quiet hearth]

yep, could even have them occupy their own slot like nemmy items

[turbid dome]

hmmm

thats an interesting thought, I'm guessing non-set stuff could also be put into that slot

[quiet hearth]

Either than or sets are unique base types that the implicit is the set bonus and you craft on it as normal

[turbid dome]

🤔

[quiet hearth]

That one already has basis inthe game with the harbinger upgradable items (which it's still BS that you have to have it equipped to upgrade it)

[harsh nova]

the big problem that I see with set gear in general is that they are never end game pieces of gear and people want even the earliest of gear to be viable in at least some form or another, however it's a piece of gear that will always have certain stats which is already super strong in it's own and without being able to slam extra affixes they will never compete with actual legendary slammed items but people don't wanna use "levelling" items

[cerulean sorrel]

Almost never you meant. There is at least 1 good set used in high end build

[turbid dome]

Shout out to the lightning meteor set

[supple iris]

The shatterstrike set gets used for sillies sometimes, but you can't get it until monos

[quiet hearth]

pretty much every set works end game, just not DEEP end game.

The issue is they aren't strong or fun enough to warrant using over uniques most of the time

[supple iris]

Yeah, some of them aren't BAD persay, just not BiS, which for many is the same thing

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, it's a bad trend imo, not everything has to be BiS to be vialble/good.

[supple iris]

Eh, depends on your flavor of fun. Some people's idea of fun IS meta, and... that's OK.

[quiet hearth]

meta is a different discussion, but I think the mindset of only the BiS is the way to play is incredibly toxic.

[cerulean sorrel]

The problem is you can get any item pretty easy in this game (no talking about high lpl with 2-3-4 lp)

[supple iris]

Ehhh... yes and no. Some of the uniques are pretty rare even at 0lp

[turbid dome]

Nemisus also makes rare to even get 1 lp uniques a lot stronger

[supple iris]

Yeah, nemesis is definitely one of the coolest additions to the game.

[cerulean sorrel]

I mean you can get any item you want with 0lp as cof for example in 1 evening , thats the difference with poe for example

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, it's not easy to get any item, some functionally dont exist lol

[turbid dome]

And then feed those 0lp into nemisus

[cerulean sorrel]

We just dont have enough items

[quiet hearth]

You cannot get any item as cof that easy, merchant though

[cerulean sorrel]

Varants to play etc

[supple iris]

False, I grinded red ring as CoF for 80 hours and never saw one.

[turbid dome]

Use void magic and make one evening be 200 hours

Ez

[supple iris]

Oh duh, why didn't I think of that. 5head

[cerulean sorrel]

Well as cursed proved you can get red ring each 2 hours as cof

[turbid dome]

As much as I like palarus, I’m sad we got a second smite one hander sword

[supple iris]

Wtf, under what conditions

[cerulean sorrel]

You just need to farm favor effectively

[supple iris]

Which really just means finding the right balance between high corr and speed. If you don't happen to be running a good echo speed build, it's way harder.

[cerulean sorrel]

Well ye ofc it will be slower but not that much slower

[gusty abyss]

Pretty sure they are finding the best map and then farm the void spawns on reveal objective

doubt that will survive in 1.2

[supple iris]

I mean, I don't know how much favor he spent per 2 hours for that ring, but I spent probably 300k favor without seeing one.

[cerulean sorrel]

They are farming 300k per bout

Hour*

[quiet hearth]

So play perfectly is what it boils down to.