🔱┃sentinel

[cobalt blade]

I am thinking of playing bombing zombie next cycle or when i am done with this bleed warpath

What ring is that?

explosive tail slam

[turbid dome]

But back to sentinel I think an abomination style of skill for forge guard would be cool, build a giant mecha minion out of your animated guardian, shields and forged weapons

[alpine canopy]

Yes, Consecrated Ground is a subskill of Judgment, so it gets all stats that Judgment has on it, such as the stats it gets from attributes

[blazing grotto]

i'm originally a paladin lol

[chilly peak]

[blazing grotto]

i'm a traildin mixed with an auradin

a dot master of sorts

[cobalt blade]

Reminds me of Baldur's Gate 3 at the forge. The boss there

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[cobalt blade]

Ah i see this alot but never read lol

[cobalt blade]

Ayy Volin

[cobalt blade]

sounds like something from D2

[turbid dome]

Tbh a ring/relic that would constantly summon forged weapons would be cool, like how the sun forged set works (but that’s a set so it’s stinky)

But disables other ways to make forged weapons

[blazing grotto]

well yeah i was an auradin (or tesladin) there

[alpine canopy]

Yes, extremely easy to do. You can channel abom for as long as you want with one of those rings on (I've done over an hour lol)

[blazing grotto]

walking around killing things is fun

[turbid dome]

Yeah my last necro was true offline mode so I never found one of those rings

[cobalt blade]

so its stinky

[turbid dome]

It’s a set

It needs minions but buffs you

It wants you to use smelters wrath

It’s no longer the best bases for sentinel

[alpine canopy]

I was thinking about one where MA is able to summon them somehow, could be nice

[turbid dome]

Summon a forged weapon when you hit your animated guardian would be cool and play into the fire void cleave thing

[alpine canopy]

I also just wish the weapons got the avalanche elemental treatment, i.e. when you summon one at your max it just refreshes the duration and health of the oldest one

[turbid dome]

Tbh a node that removes the cap for forged weapons would be funny

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

Rip u

[cobalt blade]

I remember you can summon weapons in BG3

[alpine canopy]

Love this node

[cobalt blade]

that first prefix!

i should empower it and see if i can get it higher tier for more

Do you try to reach 100% on block chance?

[turbid dome]

Yes

That’s what bastion of honor is good for, 100% block chance with minimal block chance investment

[cobalt blade]

i can reach 84% with warpath channeling 20% and sigil 15%

thinking if i should put t7 %block chance on shield

[turbid dome]

You can get block chance on rings and idols too

[cobalt blade]

yea, those are in planner already

[turbid dome]

Ah

[cobalt blade]

49% + 20% WP channel + 15% sigil

[turbid dome]

Blessing?

[cobalt blade]

yup

but thats assuming i get max roll at 8%

[turbid dome]

<- can’t read

[cobalt blade]

so maybe i would say ~100% block chance

with maybe 3.5k - 4k block eff

[turbid dome]

A fatty block chance affix on shield would be good

[cobalt blade]

or i should try 84% block chance with 5k+ block eff, swapping the t7 block chance to block eff on shield

[cobalt blade]

yea the 84% block chance is without T7 block chance on shield

[turbid dome]

I’d personally cap block chance over not capped with better effectiveness

[cobalt blade]

this is from my planner, i havent acquire them yet

[cobalt blade]

wokay 👌🏻

[turbid dome]

Just think of it like 90% crit avoidance

Ok -> ok -> ok -> random burst of damage -> dead

[cobalt blade]

haha yea

or crit chance

yellow > yellow > yellow > white > yellow

[turbid dome]

Yea

[blazing grotto]

it's only better if you can cap, if you cant cap BE would be a more solid option

[turbid dome]

Well yeah

I’d be worried if a shield using sentinel build had no way to cap block

[cobalt blade]

i will most of the time activate the conditional 20% WP channel block chance, only the conditional sigil 15% have to upkeep

[blazing grotto]

not really, a paladin may do it more easily but other kinds of sentinels may want to prioritize other things

[cobalt blade]

technically with the slab, you dont have to get block eff yea?

u just stack block chance

[turbid dome]

Yeah but it’s hard stacking block chance with the slab

[cobalt blade]

and then dies to Dots :>

[turbid dome]

Dies to dots is everything

[cobalt blade]

I lief in rebuke!

[blazing grotto]

dots are evil

they end sentences and they also end lives !

[cobalt blade]

but you also need armor mitigating dot for that to work

[turbid dome]

Tbh I hope the next cycle switches up how dots work

Even like a bandaid thing that gives a bunch of hp regen while your affected by a dot

[blazing grotto]

yeah but dot damage is usually weaker than hits so you dont need as much though focusing on it is nice

[turbid dome]

? Dots are like the most dangerous thing in the game right now

[blazing grotto]

i mean, holy aura is enough to cleanse it, and there's always the belts

[turbid dome]

Not every dot is cleansable

[blazing grotto]

they're dangerous but you can deal with them better as a sentinel

not every dot maybe but a good number of them

[alpine canopy]

The ones that can't be cleansed you can move out of

[turbid dome]

I’m thinking more of the pinnacle fight

[turbid dome]

Fair

[umbral osprey]

sorry,I didn't mean it but it went too far 🤣 🤣🤣🤣

[quiet hearth]

welcome to the club

I love how we have people losing their gourds yesterday and not one peep. The nanosecond a cheat gets talked about Vlad comes in like a wrecking ball.

[chilly peak]

💯

[quiet hearth]

I need a mod for my mod now

[turbid dome]

My friend cyborg exists but I don’t wana make him do his job

Me when the game drops a nice item for a different build

Time to level another character

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

Side thought, why do arpgs rarely if ever have a pants slot

[blazing grotto]

because "body armour" usually covers everything

also what the heck would you expect pants to be able to do ? lol

[turbid dome]

But then I can’t make the Reynauld drip

[cobalt blade]

pants

[blazing grotto]

sorry but you cant cosplay LMSH

[turbid dome]

But I guess in last epoch pants would just split body armor into two parts

Thought of it more because dark and darker has a pants slot and I never really thought about arpgs not having pants as a slot

[blazing grotto]

nothing is stopping them from making "body armour" that is just a pair of pants tbh

[turbid dome]

👀

[waxen nymph]

D3 has a pants slot

[blazing grotto]

yep

[waxen nymph]

D4 too no?

[blazing grotto]

but we dont talk about trashy arpgs here

[turbid dome]

Ngl I thought the pants in d4 were belts

[waxen nymph]

I guess it just a question of how many item slots you want to give to the player

[blazing grotto]

didnt grim dawn have something like belt parts that looked like pants also ?

or am i remembering wrong ? stopped playing a couple years back

[cobalt blade]

hidden weapon at wrist

[blazing grotto]

cant be hidden if yoiu're only wearing a shirt

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

I guess last epoch wise they could remake belts as pants, hold more potions because of pockets

Would also make the jungle queens chaps of holding better

[blazing grotto]

fashion, the bane of assassins

[blazing grotto]

actually that one belt that has a dozen potions isnt much different

[turbid dome]

The jungle queens cargo shorts of holding

[chilly peak]

Templar looking like

[turbid dome]

Marauder looking like

[quiet hearth]

historically inaccurate, no codpiece

[turbid dome]

1540 has one

[cobalt blade]

uhh...

[quiet hearth]

syphilis mostly

[cobalt blade]

looks inappropriate... @waxen nymph .. remove?

[turbid dome]

Why can’t we ever have historical male armor in video games

[quiet hearth]

the funniest part about you asking him to remove it is to think that Vlad does their job here and doesnt just lurk

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

Imagine making the mods do their job

That’s rude

[cobalt blade]

I can actually remove it myself.. not sure whats the degree of obscenity can be shown.. welp to be safe, best to remove first :V

> >

[quiet hearth]

I mean, it really isnt for one, and two, Vlad posted miley half naked on a wrecking ball, Im sure you're fine

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-john-travolta-what-gif-5114829

[alpine canopy]

A gif with Travolta, not even covering his ears!? Incoming perma ban

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

I would be happy to remove you entirely Wicked if you want 😉

[cobalt blade]

Nohhhhh

It was King Henry's Codpiece

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-tom-and-jerry-cat-gif-15002626

[alpine canopy]

A finger on the monkey's paw curls... Vlad does their job, bans you

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

See ya'

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/nsync-bye-bye-bye-justin-timber-lake-dance-90s-gif-6030673

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

....seeing that 90s in that file line...

[turbid dome]

Ah yes 1990, 34 years ago

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/man-with-a-plan-matt-leblanc-adam-burns-ive-been-diagnosed-with-excessive-oldness-old-gif-13847138

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-im-dead-tom-and-jerry-gif-19855601

[waxen nymph]

Ooch

Smelter Wrath fixed, back to being absolutely terrible

[cobalt blade]

this? dont know whats that but okie

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

Before the fix you would get 15% More dmg Per Ignite on the target, no cap

[cobalt blade]

thats insane

[waxen nymph]

So let's imagine you have a bunch of FW with ignite chance hitting Abby

[cursive rose]

nice time to test my smelter

[turbid dome]

An actual use for sun forged set

[cursive rose]

i used sunforge for a bit its not bad if you build around it

cant void slash tho so minions arent gunna be as strong as they can and you cant get as easy shred

[turbid dome]

Yea

I can’t wait for the set rework

[lost python]

Forge Guard trash again? 🤣

[waxen nymph]

I think it got a few decent additions for 1.1, but Smelter Wrath needs a full face-lift

[jovial oasis]

So I haven't played VK since release 1.0 when void beams weren't working on erasing strike, so I went for a build focused on warpath/orb: if I want to focus on erasing strike instead, what do you recommend going with it? I honestly dislike anomaly and volatile reversal (though maybe I can be swayed), but I know void cleave can make strike autocrit, and I'm currently using lunge/rive for mobility and manaless clear (still leveling). Any other suggestions?

[harsh nova]

really digging abyssal echos past couple days

since you can auto cast on cleave

[jovial oasis]

Does it provide more setup, or is it actually decent for damage? Also does the cleave cast cost mana or no, because I know some nodes are inconsistent in that regard lol

[harsh nova]

20% increase attack speed, and armor shred mainly and yes mana

the IAS is really nice for some burst damage, lots of situations you can get at least 1 extra strike in

[jovial oasis]

oh I see it says that on the node

[harsh nova]

i've seen armor shred as high as 60-80 with echos, in combination with other stuff it's such a big dps boost

[jovial oasis]

Hmm, does the node that makes echoes slow and then cause erasing strike & cleave to deal more damage proc from the cleave's cast of echoes?

[harsh nova]

should, does it say cast or directly cast

[jovial oasis]

after casting abyssal echoes, your next erasing strike and void cleave deal more damage (multiplicative...) to slowed enemies.

[harsh nova]

yeah so casting off effects is fine

[jovial oasis]

will the cleave that casts the echo benefit from that node, though? or nah

[harsh nova]

anything that needs to be used specifically for an effect should say directly cast

[jovial oasis]

dunno how chaining abilities work in this aside from some runemaster stuff

[harsh nova]

it will be your next cleave, which is every cleave after the first when u spawn into an area

[jovial oasis]

darn, because there's no slow except from the echo

[harsh nova]

lots of ways to get slow

erasing strike has it in tree iirc

the erasing strike tree also isn't reliant on extra skill points affixes for 90% damage unlike rive, so you can flex around a bit and get some utility out of the tree as well, for instance i run 4 points into move speed and the connecting node could easily move those to slow ect

[turbid dome]

Nacho is on point

[harsh nova]

[jovial oasis]

ah, behind the time loop one for extra echoes

Gotta delve into how mana restoration works so that is actually usable 😶

[harsh nova]

void essence and the negative mana passive nodes

[turbid dome]

^

[hollow hound]

Nacho, any chance you could share your build? Im running the sigils and HH for movement atm but want to see if yours is more fun to play

[harsh nova]

i don't have a planner for my erasing strike atm

[turbid dome]

Mana stacking world splitter es?

[harsh nova]

yepper

the weird part about erasing strike is you actually need to scale str and crit chance

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[harsh nova]

you stack those and mana, win the game

[turbid dome]

Isn’t it 400 max mana to infinite sustain with 1 guaranteed echo

[brazen kestrel]

Is Void Knight a good choice for a beginner ? i'm so sorry

[turbid dome]

No worries here, it is solid and fairly straight forward if you want to play melee

[harsh nova]

you need to crit, mana amount is irrelevant except to scale crit multi

[brazen kestrel]

Kinda lost on where to find a good build ngl

[harsh nova]

bosses will be the only issue, and if u don't keep critting you stall, otherwise you always generate essence from killing trash mobs

[turbid dome]

Nah 400 max mana so you can swing es 3 times to get the void essences back with the 100% void essence on crit -> get mana back -> repeat

[blazing grotto]

maybe look on LET, there are plenty of guides with video support

[jovial oasis]

Bring back written guides 😢

[harsh nova]

i have 800 and stall

[quiet hearth]

That's how bad smelters is, something that broken and it still wasnt playable xD

[turbid dome]

Dang

[blazing grotto]

written guides dont show you how a class plays out kek

[harsh nova]

it's all about the crit chance i promise

[turbid dome]

Just cap your crit chance

[jovial oasis]

lots of video ones don't do a good job either

[harsh nova]

and you need to crit cap without a peak

[jovial oasis]

they're also just infinitely worse at going to for specific content as well, since you either have to pause or rewind etc, can't ctrl+f, and so on

[turbid dome]

It’s hard to go wrong with rive on vk

[brazen kestrel]

What's LET ?

[turbid dome]

LET = last epoch tools, great website

[brazen kestrel]

Ohhh

[jovial oasis]

does cleave making erasing autocrit not help for the mana stuff

or is erasing too mana heavy for that to work

[turbid dome]

If your removing the cooldown of erasing strike you don’t want to have to cleave

Cleave is still nice for applying void shred

[blazing grotto]

ez, just go world splitter

[turbid dome]

Nacho please tell me the flat crit on your world splitter is a max roll

[jovial oasis]

oh

what if you arent removing the cd
does the echo node still make sense or no

[turbid dome]

If you can sustain the mana I guess? The guaranteed crit only applies to your erasing strike and not the echo-ed erasing strike

[harsh nova]

am on splitter

[harsh nova]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7RyYl6Q this is barebones what i'm using for erasing strike

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 2,539, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 726.34, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 58 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 24% / 16% / 16% / 56% / 64% / 41% / 41%
▸ EHP: 3,826 / 3,633 / 3,633 / 8,169 / 5,204 / 4,311 / 4,311

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 508
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,312)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Erasing Strike (20)

Used unique items:

• Shattered Chains
• World Splitter
• Darkstride

[harsh nova]

fill res with empty stat slots and blessings if needed, depending on what you find

[turbid dome]

Only thing I would add is getting a world splitter that rolled 0.5 for the flat crit is critical

[harsh nova]

it's not really that crazy, the difference per point is only 3% crit rate

[turbid dome]

It’s flat crit

[harsh nova]

base albeit

i wouldn't be upset if i had a 0.4 that had a good flat damage roll on the base

[turbid dome]

0.5 all the way

[jovial oasis]

So, 100% crit on erasing strike through modifiers means the echos also crit, which means you get oodles of void essence for mana, yeah? I assume that's why cleave falls off

[harsh nova]

yerp

[turbid dome]

math time 1 sec

[harsh nova]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPxdN23o @hollow hound this is where im at with the rive build also

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (88) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 5,144, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 120.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 10 Att / 67 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 96% / 106% / 91% / 79% / 106% / 106%
▸ EHP: 13,185 / 13,185 / 13,185 / 16,541 / 13,185 / 13,185 / 13,185

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,099
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,759)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (25)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Volatile Reversal (23)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Shattered Chains
• Darkstride
• Omnis
• Siphon of Anguish
• Siphon of Anguish
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Apathy's Maw
• Peak of the Mountain

[jovial oasis]

What do anomaly and reversal contribute, specifically? Still don't really understand 'em

[turbid dome]

anomaly is a big buff button for you, reversal makes enemies hit by its void rifts take extra damage (more multiplier)

[harsh nova]

anomaly gives void shred, base crit, and other time bubble effects, reversal is your oh no button when u take a huge hit, because it will take you to full hp instantly

you also get atkspd off reversal

[turbid dome]

quick math, with a properly specced erasing strike, a 0.3 flat crit per 1 mana cost splitter is 22.5 flat crit, whereas a 0.5 falt crit per 1 mana cost splitter is 37.5 flat crit

not counting base crit or the flat crit from tree

[harsh nova]

0.3 x 30 = 9 0.5 x 30 = 15 base

it's a 6 base crit difference in min / max

[turbid dome]

you increase the cost of erasing strike through hastened cataclysm

this tree makes it cost 75

[harsh nova]

haven't seen many taking that path, probably for upfront cost

[turbid dome]

since hastened cataclysm increases its mana cost it works with world splitter, the gauranteed echo cost does not because its consumed mana

it makes it much easier to cap your crit for infinite bonk

if your build can't cap crit with a base crit of 5 + 37.5 + 9 idk what to say

[harsh nova]

thankfully once u get enough mana u really onlly need like 90%, it's pretty easy to reach critical mass

[turbid dome]

this does require a lot more mana to sustain it (like 1400 max) but that also means a lot of crit multi

[harsh nova]

pushing void damage in idols seems like the play also, finding hard to get enough in subs with all the mana

[turbid dome]

a manafused slam on world splitter is what you want, ideally T7

[harsh nova]

the dps difference from flat melee is crazy big, the crit multi isn't really worth

build already puts out so much crit multi

[turbid dome]

ok ideally both flat melee and mana

[harsh nova]

im an attack speed nerd myself

animation lock so annoying with strike imo

[turbid dome]

Yeah having 100% crit chance means you can erasing strike as fast as possible forever

[turbid dome]

Get the inevitable boots

Their built for erasing strike spam

[harsh nova]

the elder husk boots right

for bossing just the str alone from those feel so good, just like strides for echos

[turbid dome]

From the harbinger after that fight yeah

Or aboreth

[harsh nova]

need abby gear to farm abby you say

[turbid dome]

[harsh nova]

actually hoping to pick up a seed to use for erasing strike

[turbid dome]

True

[quiet hearth]

I hate how I almost have all the pieces to play warlock, it's like Im being taunted

[blazing grotto]

meanwhile my good rolled WS is crying

nemesis did me dirty by giving it only 1LP

[harsh nova]

it took me 12 WS to get a flat damage roll 😢

been trying to farm a 2lp for about 50 kills now

[sullen jolt]

guys, I am running shiedl bash atm; healing hand - shall I take the right hand side OR left hand side of the tree? this fire dmg and dmg to void and undead is that good?

[harsh nova]

right side so it procs on melee attacks and u don't have to direct cast

[harsh nova]

👍

[sullen jolt]

this is from a maxroll guide I found - I dotn get this whole dmg focus /fire/ on it. Neither do I get the node cloud voyager....i dotn ahve any allies.....

[turbid dome]

You are your own ally

I might have that wrong

[harsh nova]

voyager kinda whack for sure, the bottom right node is the melee proc node u want tho

[turbid dome]

Ok for cloud voyager it’s an ally other than yourself, yeah no why is the build saying grab that if you have nothing to trigger that

[waxen nymph]

No Ring of Shields?

[sullen jolt]

Im gona take RoS

[waxen nymph]

Pretty you want to be running RoS

Then there are your allies

[sullen jolt]

and thje racial stuff - dmg to Void and dmg to Undead? worth it...and thsi whole fire dmg?

[waxen nymph]

The most important lines on thoses nodes imo are the less dmg taken

[turbid dome]

yeah

[sullen jolt]

okk

[quiet hearth]

I think Im running out of meme builds

[harsh nova]

saw a cool ES + rive build with one of these

[quiet hearth]

Hey engi, what's a typical amount of % void dmg you usally wind up with, like literally flat void % not melee or spell %

[turbid dome]

%increased void dmg? For melee like 400-600%

[quiet hearth]

I said not specific to melee. Im trying to see how much ignite pen I can get out of VC

[turbid dome]

400% without much investment, most of it comes from your weapon + the don’t use a shield node in vk tree

[quiet hearth]

Not as much as I thought, though I guess that's still an easy 30% pen with ignite. So use aberroths while warpathing and the paladin nodes, that's around 100%

[turbid dome]

gib minute to look at tree

[harsh nova]

which shield node?

[harsh nova]

ah yeah

[turbid dome]

this quick and scuffed build puts you at this (no weapons)

[quiet hearth]

So 300% is a pretty easy target then

Gives us around 90ish pen with ignite for VC

[turbid dome]

then add a twohander

[quiet hearth]

Cant, gotta use abberoths

[turbid dome]

slam %increased void onto abberoths and be sad then

[quiet hearth]

xD

[turbid dome]

wait are you using a shield

[blazing grotto]

you're just locking yourself out of options if you pick aberroth

[quiet hearth]

I need you to read my name carefully

[blazing grotto]

dont be ridiculous he has a scepter so he has to

[quiet hearth]

I could totally DW a sword in my offhand

[blazing grotto]

shhh

[turbid dome]

given 100% of that void damage gives 40% reduced block chance and 40% reduced block effectiveness, I'd say grab an opulent catalyst instead of a shield

[blazing grotto]

just use the bulwark i'm telling you

wreck that apocalypse

[turbid dome]

true

[quiet hearth]

Then it turns into how many ignites can we get at once with this set up

[blazing grotto]

not a lot

[quiet hearth]

I mean, I have 100% pen

[blazing grotto]

just a few hundred

[quiet hearth]

The VC ones are the ones that will matter, I think I can squeeze 10 per swing out of them without losing pen

[turbid dome]

There’s probably a catalyst for ignite stuff

[quiet hearth]

...I dont remember picking this up, just sitting in my stash

[turbid dome]

You literally sent an image of this and said time to play a werebear

[quiet hearth]

I literally do not remember, Im beginning to think I had a stroke at some point

[turbid dome]

#🔱┃sentinel message

[quiet hearth]

I believe you, I just genuinely do not remember xD

[turbid dome]

[blazing grotto]

you must have had a werebear moment

and that is why you have no recollection of it. It wasnt the human you that did it

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

To be honest me linking them previous message was to make myself not feel insane

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-insane-stewie-family-guy-finals-gif-5655336

[turbid dome]

[harsh nova]

dropping AE for ES tho 🍿

this was a good decision

[turbid dome]

I mean ones a spell, ones both a spell and a melee attack

[jovial oasis]

What's AE
oh right lmao

[harsh nova]

abyssal echos

[jovial oasis]

So assuming I'm using cleave to cast AE and also guarantee crits on ES, is it theoretically possible to pump the void lasers to be enough damage that they're actually useful?

[alpine canopy]

Eeehhh unlikely. Also important to note that the lasers can't crit because they're DOTs

[cobalt blade]

Wowzer big discussion here while i was ded

Sadly nothing applies to my build

[cobalt blade]

As much as I use worldsplitter

[cobalt blade]

I haz risen from bonk hammer!

[jovial oasis]

I know they can't crit, was just meaning to get ES crits for essences. Lasers are so cool though 😢

[alpine canopy]

Then go for it, some insane folks here will probably even help brainstorm because lasers are cool

[cobalt blade]

What laser

[harsh nova]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-laser-eyes-angry-cat-cyclops-nara-gif-26030753

[blazing grotto]

neat random drop by a scorpion

my judgement paladin likes this

[cobalt blade]

The only laser-like thingy i know of is stygian coal . We have laser in Sent?

[blazing grotto]

shield rush beam ?

[harsh nova]

smite beams?

[cobalt blade]

Me take a look later

I am being an ancient Sent playing WWF (Warrior's Fury Warpath)

And know nuthin else

[harsh nova]

gets 2lp WS -> 0.3 crit

[jovial oasis]

erasing strike void beams

[haughty canopy]

Void lasers useful? Good one

[jovial oasis]

😢

[turbid dome]

[modern light]

i require

[cobalt blade]

Pain... but useable for my warpath cuz any of those mana cost lines doesnt matter

Thats alot of scaling tag for a dot

Only way to proc it is shield rush?

[turbid dome]

Erasing strike should have void beams

[cobalt blade]

Then LEtools is not updated? The source is only shield rush over there

[jovial oasis]

its from a node

void pyre or ravenous void, both do it

[cobalt blade]

Wait a min there are 2 void beam pages in LETools.. wat

[jovial oasis]

well the erasing strike ones didnt work for years or some nonsense, up until one of the recent patches lol

[cobalt blade]

One via shield rush, one via ES

[turbid dome]

theres 4

[cobalt blade]

Why are they not under 1 page?

ES got 2

[turbid dome]

one is attached to the end of your shield, one is fired at random enemies when you kill enough stuff with ES, one is summoned on an elite/boss enemy

[cobalt blade]

Legacy page?

[turbid dome]

they have different targeting

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

all the 4 different targeting types

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gun-gif-26207908

But but could hab put into one page with different skill nodes proc'ing it

They have same scaling, tags and dmg no?

[turbid dome]

my guess is the different targeting is done by just having different sub skills of the same name

[cobalt blade]

Subskills complexity

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sure damage conversions are often done the same way, we just don't see it. These ones just happen to all be different with the potential for distinct tooltips. I don't remember if they all have visible tooltips tho lol

[gleaming pine]

with sigils of hope, empowering sigils and 4 sigils active, is that 100% multiplicative damage?

[alpine canopy]

No, sigils gives additive damage

[cobalt blade]

Yea i compared all 4 pages of void beam, they have exact same scalling, tags and dmg. 3 with same general description, 1 with cast 4 beams, travel at random. Description differs when hovered over on nodes like Engi said for different targeting. Heh those who knew about them should be fine

But those who dont (like me) gets confused finding the correct void beam page for the right skills LUL

[modern light]

if im farming for something in monoliths. is there a way to make specific rewards appear? i saw a monolith to reroll unclaimed rewards

[harsh nova]

nope

[alpine canopy]

Them being different doesn't really matter too much, being a subskill matters more (so the ones in ES scale with nodes on ES spec)

[gleaming pine]

ty

[turbid dome]

Other than making sure your in the right timeline (for example the last ruin will have nodes that give unique or set relic items), no

[modern light]

i figured. thanks

[jovial oasis]

for erasing strike and void essence shenanigans, do I need to put 5 pts into the passive "Essence of the End" for the % chance for essence on kill? Or does the guaranteed crit erasing strike sustain essence (and thus mana) generation by itself

also not sure if the (forced) echos of erasing strike would generate essences from the erasing strike node or not

[hazy schooner]

sentinel is so much fun

[cobalt blade]

Define your fun

[hazy schooner]

tanky, decent damage but not 1shot everything like sorc static orb

[cobalt blade]

Technically we have big bonk mana stacking Erasing Strike but I didnt play it

[hazy schooner]

I am not playing it neither.

[cobalt blade]

Whachu playing for Sent?

[hazy schooner]

Judgement stacking, it's damn tanky and great damge

facetanking everything at 200c +

[cobalt blade]

Ooo i saw one recent build in LETool for consecrated ground

[cobalt blade]

Yea, if only javelin can be used as melee.. nemmy

[blazing grotto]

nothing is stopping you from using melee attacks even if you have javelin though

on the other hand thats my best trident kek

[cobalt blade]

I mean nemmy empowered it with T7 melee area skills.. if only we can use javelin to sweep or strike instead of throw

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sick honestly. Not suitable for a crit build, but strong for electrify.

[blazing grotto]

yup thats what im gonna try for

[barren spire]

Do you guys think my gear is enough to fight aberoth?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oypkVeOB

[alpine canopy]

I didn't look at the build at all because I'm on mobile, but I believe in you

[brazen bronze]

Anybody running a shield throw manifest armor FG? Been thinking of making one but don’t know how it scales with needing shield damage/throwing damage while also scaling manifest armor damage

[alpine canopy]

I'm not running one, but the common way to do it is not scaling your throwing damage at all, just throwing speed and manifest armor's bleeds.

[harsh nova]

build feelin good, 700 corrupt atm

[harsh nova]

if u can tank the multi directional slam that abby does then ur fine

[barren spire]

I just had a guy from my D4 guild to come in on his sorc and literally one shot it. I'm done for this cycle. Next time I will pick a better build

[harsh nova]

yeah static orb is the most powerful build in the game

most builds do the fight in 4-5 mins

[alpine canopy]

it's one of those ones you can count on being nerfed, pretty sure EHG isn't a big fan of 1-shotting the pinnacle boss being a permanent thing

[harsh nova]

yeah even compared to other sorc builds the static orb build is a good chunk ahead

[cobalt blade]

Whr da fun if everyone just 1 shots. In b4 you see Engi smiles with his spiralling void eyes and bosses just poof

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Engi! Emoji reaction seems allowed now

[turbid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gimme-that-gif-3302967658968126593

Darn

[hazy schooner]

I tried that sorc static orb and didnt like it, not fun at all.

[cobalt blade]

Probably need expensive gearing? My friend tried it and says being a sitting duck for mana to regen or stand there focusing

[hazy schooner]

it's OP af even with low gear. Point is everything died once you touch them

which feels like you are not playing the gaem at all

[gleaming pine]

you cant one shot abby on a static orb sorc with trash gear.

[hazy schooner]

I didnt even get to empowered mono

[twilit valley]

Static orb is fun but needs a nerf , after 3 days of gearing I kill aberrotb in 20 seconds . I’m enjoying the drops for my world splitter build

[ivory sky]

well wasnt planning on playing shield bash but might as well give it a try, whats ideal to slam on this?

[twilit valley]

Very nice - I tried hard for a lp3 but never got one - enjoy

[sullen jolt]

I have automated Healing hand and use it as movement skill; and want to go for heal now - what would be the best nodes from the red area?

[barren spire]

I mean, it works very well, comapred to my build that is useless AF

[hazy schooner]

it's OP

[twilit valley]

Never had a lp2 drop before

[waxen nymph]

Melee Crit is the most important
Crit Multi, Mana/Regen Mana,Armor Shred, Flat Melee Phys are all good option

[turbid dome]

Nice armor for it too (I’d recommend life slams)

[marble quest]

Baby steps 😅

[turbid dome]

the power to react already makes it a 10/10 change

[marble quest]

How else would everyone get to enjoy our new emote, the Egg of the Fowogotten?

[turbid dome]

big facts

[chilly peak]

Not everyone. I refuse to enjoy anything that contains owo or uwu ^^

[turbid dome]

can we get an Eff of the Fowogotten sticker?

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

actually about sentinel message, I've been trying to get an Omni for the last week and a half and where is it circle of fortune, gimmie it. I wana do wizard vk

[quiet hearth]

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Engi has acquired too much power, they must be stopped

[turbid dome]

I need a wizard hat on the vk symbol

if only I had basic photo shop skills

[quiet hearth]

I dont even think Ive seen that staff

[alpine canopy]

Good news then, this only contains owo 😁

[turbid dome]

I still want it even if the new celestial doom staff is probably better

I want the og void staff

[quiet hearth]

oh yeah, that was part of one of my meme builds

[turbid dome]

even if I can only trigger celestial doom off of void, its still a big fatty void spell that gets triggered

oh wait i could convert healing hands to fire

[quiet hearth]

isnt it fire by default?

[alpine canopy]

No, you have to make it deal damage to get the fire tag

[turbid dome]

oh wait abysall echos can be made fire

which also makes it heal

[quiet hearth]

Yes it can

[turbid dome]

why does abysall echos have a node that makes it sorta a healing hands

[quiet hearth]

Because it's old AF?

And with the echo nodes it's a LOT of healing

[turbid dome]

we wizard vk now and also since all my gear is generically good void damage once I get the staff I only have to switch my weapon

[quiet hearth]

You could get HH for fire, abyssal for void, and smite for lightning

[turbid dome]

smite is getting the void treatment

I have like 100 vitality and thats gonna be my main damage skill

[quiet hearth]

I just meant in general, I already knew you werent gonna do it.

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Too deep in the void

[turbid dome]

void gang void gang

<- wishes he went with merchants guild to just buy an omni

[quiet hearth]

...how do we NOT have CoF and MG stickers?

[turbid dome]

good question

[quiet hearth]

Come on EHG, give us a praying hands CoF sticker, and a money bag MG sticker

[turbid dome]

🙏 💰

[quiet hearth]

I mean honestly they could just rip the icons they already have in game

[turbid dome]

true

[alpine canopy]

EHG stealing EHG assets?

[quiet hearth]

..did they remove phys resist shards? I somehow dont have a SINGLE one

[alpine canopy]

No

[turbid dome]

go shatter some gear my dude

[alpine canopy]

If you're trying to craft on a catalyst, phys res won't show up

[quiet hearth]

That's it then, which is just dumb

[alpine canopy]

It's "thematic"

[turbid dome]

lol

something something slap an opulent catalyst on any build for a free 1k stable ward

[quiet hearth]

a what?

[turbid dome]

*opulent focus

the one that gives a ton of ward per second, intelligence and ward retention

[quiet hearth]

for some reason I was thinking like an actual catalyst like poe

[turbid dome]

lol, my brain just calls it opulent catalyst and never its actual name

I also don't really get why theres a ton of void spell support uniques, but none of them actually let you use your passive tree to scale said spell anymore (like the void volcanic orb thing)

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, lots of things in the game like that honestly

[cobalt blade]

Copium... i got six LP3 Tempest Maw but zero LP 3 Taste of blood.. what is this desire censor

[turbid dome]

like Lament of the lost refuge is cool, and gives a ton of flat dmg but litterally nothing in any mage passive tree works well with void dmg

its also a spear so rip anything that makes you want to have a staff

it also wants you to use melee attacks, but spell blade really wants to use swords instead of a spear

[turbid dome]

bro likes potions

[quiet hearth]

shame we cant put mana on potion use on there

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I look forward when they go back and fully integrate all the little things they have right now.

[turbid dome]

ye

[quiet hearth]

It feels like they are really keeping their cards close to their chest on things, which I cant blame them. Seeing how people react to the smallest issues. Gods I still think of how cruddy people were over launch.

[turbid dome]

big true, I hope the devs get to finish cooking

[quiet hearth]

I think they will, but part of me cant help but think that the timeline for things got bumped up when POE2 was announced. It really feels like they sped up a lot after that announcement.

[turbid dome]

I mean yeah, I can't lie I'm gonna play the hell out of POE2, melee looks sick af in it

[quiet hearth]

And now GD expantion too? But competition is good, makes you be better to stand out, but I will most likely disappear when the GD thing hits, I love that game.

[marble quest]

https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1211748630072131604

[turbid dome]

GD?

grim dawn

[quiet hearth]

Who is this first person to tag me? and why does the channel say unknown? xD

[turbid dome]

click on it, its the discord suggestions channel

[sullen jolt]

guys, is 23% increased leech rate any good? my shield bash FG uses it as a defensive layer? a blessing...or 37% void res

[quiet hearth]

Says unknown on my screen, I aint clicking that sketchy thing but Ive already planned on going there with it sooner or later today

[turbid dome]

leech happens over 3 seconds, If I'm remebering correctly leech rate makes you heal the same total amount, over a shorter time. 23% is good, but if your not capped on void res, cap your void res

[quiet hearth]

I wanna see more leech rate stuff, it's a good mechanic

[turbid dome]

I remembered correctly about leech rate

leech rate is another thing that makes apathy's maw so good

[marble quest]

I shared it, I'm the CM, hi!

And Engi is right, it takes you to the Discord Suggestions channel. The '#unknown' thing is a Discord bug, though it fixes itself after you click the link 😊

[turbid dome]

since its a forum setup, links to those channels only appear if its appearing in your side bar, which they go away rather quickly if you dont open them like every 5 minutes

[quiet hearth]

🪤 But no I looked up the name in the channel, I was just being silly about who you were. I just dont click imbedded discord stuff like that unless I 100% know is all. Also hi!

[turbid dome]

[marble quest]

You'd be surprised how often people don't realise who I am and what I do here 😅

That's a good plan tbf, I shared it cause I didn't want to forget about the sticker suggestions, though we have more emote slots than we have sticker slots iirc

[quiet hearth]

I manage my own little discord, I can only imagine how bad it can be in here xD. Im just surprised it wasnt already a thing was all.

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

Well tbf, that's why it gives so much flat. You can thank the community for making it what it is, that was the one that people voted for lol

[turbid dome]

dang

did I like completely miss when that happened

[alpine canopy]

Maybe? It was in 2022, here's the final wrap-up post: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/community-designed-unique-reveal/48908/1

[turbid dome]

I did miss it, I wasn't on the discord or the forums when I started playing

[quiet hearth]

I somehow missed the discord until like.. .7 version, despite owning the game for awhile before that

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I gotta get a new controller, this stick drift is unreal

[turbid dome]

story of my life until I got a pro controller

[quiet hearth]

I actually found one better for like 40 bucks

[turbid dome]

nice

[quiet hearth]

even has hall effect sticks

Gamesir 7 SE, since you're looking

[turbid dome]

ima keep my generic Nintendo switch pro controller that steam disguises as an xbox controller so games work with it

when I gave d4 a shot I launched battle net as a non steam game so it would carry over and work in d4

[quiet hearth]

That's what Ive been using but it's dying faster than I thought it would.

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Gonna be a good run for games over the next year or so honestly. LE pumping out stuff, GD exp, and now MHWilds. I got too much studying to do for all this xD

[turbid dome]

MONSTER HUNTER WIIILLLLLLDDDSSSSSS

[quiet hearth]

Watch everyone content drop and I'll have to rotate which game Im memebuilding in

[turbid dome]

ror2 dlc next week

[quiet hearth]

ror?

[turbid dome]

risk of rain

[quiet hearth]

fudge xD

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

leech works on dots too right?

[turbid dome]

if its a specific type like fire leech on a fire dot, yeah (or just generic leech)

if it says melee leech no

[quiet hearth]

what about lichs just leech?

[turbid dome]

let me double check the wording

mastery bonus should work

survival of the cruel.. I dont think so? unless the dot counts as a spell

soul maw should work, ageless asetitic wont

spirit leech in warlock would also work

[turbid dome]

are you cooking a reaper form lich?

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, I need something I can just cruise around in, my tendonitis in my arm is getting bad so I need a good easy controller build

So Im debating mobile ghostflame vs flame burst paladin

So just builds I havent really played mostly

[turbid dome]

abomination build 👍

[alpine canopy]

Melee leech works for melee DOT (which is a relatively rare damage type)

[turbid dome]

what dots count as melee dot? future strike?

[alpine canopy]

No, future strike is just a void DOT. Rive's laceration, locust swarm, and EQ aftershocks (if you take the DOT conversion and don't take the spell conversion) are the main ones I can think of

[turbid dome]

that makes sense

[alpine canopy]

Throwing DOT I think only exists on hammer throw's disintegrating aura 😂

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Im not big on minion builds tbh

[turbid dome]

Darn

Grim harvest reaper gaming

[quiet hearth]

I might do FB just because I have almost all the gear

[turbid dome]

FB?

[quiet hearth]

Flame Burst

[turbid dome]

ah

[quiet hearth]

DW palarus, stack att, still have decent warpath dmg while blowing things up and smites raining down

[turbid dome]

let me corrupt palarus to make it spell dmg based on vitality

[alpine canopy]

Face Book of course

[quiet hearth]

but I have 2 palarus with ike 25 life in hit, so that is helping push me lol

[quiet hearth]

lol almost a min roll and still better than 90% of idols Ive ever seen

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Next cycle needs to do two things, rebalance idols, and give lich it's 4th skill back xD

[turbid dome]

I'm still angry that hungering soul was just yoinked to warlock

[quiet hearth]

it wasnt?

[turbid dome]

*soul feast

not hungering soul

[quiet hearth]

yeah it was weird, and as a 2nd tier skill too

imagine something like smite now paladin only xD

[turbid dome]

there was some auto cast thing I used with it on my lich before warlock was added

[quiet hearth]

They really need to just hard code no autocasting and then just give more uniques and nodes that enable the functionality at a cost.

[turbid dome]

ok but like bone curse as an aura around me + harvest triggering a bunch of stuff on cursed enemies + soul feast constantly yoinking ward to me + reaper form going wacky + grim harvest being grim harvest

it was a fun build

[quiet hearth]

I forgot warpath can give global crit with a sword

[turbid dome]

Ye

[quiet hearth]

I should snag that instead of the block, I head so much from all these freaking smites

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Though I probs should just convert everything to void instead because the dmg from these swords is adaptive xD

So that would be 100 melee flat void dmg converted, then that one node would give 50% extra void melee dmg if Im rememberin the chain of things right

[ancient junco]

Are there any multi-strike smiter out there is taking blade storm good for keeping mana low with bladed focus from Multi-strike and time and focus from sentinel passives?

[quiet hearth]

time and faith will not outpace bladestorms mana drain

[ancient junco]

I get that and will it allow for 4 stacks at least?

[quiet hearth]

no, stacked blade storm is 48 mana a swing, time and faith is only 10

[ancient junco]

don't care about mana cost just wondering if keep my mana low even in a boss fight because of devotion

[quiet hearth]

Again no. The mana cost of blade storm will drain you to zero, because time and faith is not enough to reach an equilibrium. You'd need to invest in some regen to hit that low floating point.

[strong cairn]

just lost 87 vk to game crash

[quiet hearth]

lost?

[strong cairn]

hc

[quiet hearth]

I mean, thems the breaks of hc really.

[blazing grotto]

Crashes are always a risk, shame that it happened to you mid battle. Then again it was only 85.

[quiet hearth]

Yeah it does suck, but only 85? that is still an investment of time, and the wall to 100 is REAL now.

[strong cairn]

:C

[vocal wasp]

How was it again - will the lightning bolts from Smite be converted to Void if you take the Temporal Corruption node inside Void Knight tree?

[strong cairn]

the extra bolts are still lightning but the main oen is void

[vocal wasp]

Right, thanks!

[blazing grotto]

I didn't say you didnt invest time but honestly 85 is really quick to reach especially when you know the game and go through it again.

[jovial oasis]

The main issue is that the loss was not due to a misplay and instead the fault of the game

[quiet hearth]

the time to reach 85 is entirely based on the person, not everyone rides a rocket to 85

Only it might be a hardware crash, not a game crash, or another software that caused the game to crash. And all of that isa risk you take when you play HC

[turbid dome]

crashing and sorta crummy wifi is why i dont do hard core

[harsh nova]

playing hardcore online is a nightmare in most games

[ancient junco]

For users of smite how do you all prefer to cast the skill by directly using it or by multi-strike/hammer throw?

[turbid dome]

I like direct for wizard vk, the double cast node it’s a separate doubling from echoing

[turbid dome]

so with some cast speed it gets a lil silly

[ancient junco]

Okay would you like a different play style look for vk players where we focus on fissure aspect of smite and dot of time rot as well stacking it over the place. for those prefer using hammer throw maybe they need to spec into void hammer skill nods This is just an idea

[turbid dome]

if you want to do throwing with it you can use aberoth's command to get some spell damage and use void cleave for void cleave's +100 throwing dmg on your next throwing attack node (which should affect hammer throwing ravenging aura)

procing smite using the idols, tho those idols are capped at 10 casts per 2 seconds I think

[ancient junco]

Yes I get that it is an idea were the two types of smite builds could be further differentiated each other in style regardless of how you used smite casting, hammer, or multi-strike variants

[turbid dome]

honestly I'd try the hit crit version of hammer + smite first before a void dot one

time rot caps at 12 stacks on one enemy so its hard to do a pure dot build with it

if you wanted to do dot with it I'd say do ignite but thats better on paladin than void knight

[ancient junco]

heh I see your point and agree

[twilit valley]

Bleed Hammerdin and smite cast idols , I use smite for healing only not for damage . Can fly thru 1k+ corruption monos

[gleaming pine]

void dot hammer throw is pretty good for monos, i did 1100 corruption pretty comfy. but the boss killing speed is not the greatest

(maybe i've been spoiled by static orb)

[turbid dome]

static orb spoiled you

[cobalt blade]

[gleaming pine]

i think i read on one of iva markovas videos, he said that the boss ward shield was only being damaged by one hammer at a time (bugged?), which is why it sucks for boss

[gleaming pine]

ill make a video of 1100 mono and boss clear, see if you guys think if the boss kill speed is acceptable or not. ok course comparing it to 2 second static orb kill isn't fair, but ive lost the whole perception of what's meant to be good. also the taking into consideration the above mentioned bug

at work though, heres my toon . gear is decent. one blessing and pally tree is wrong coz i was trying something and forgot to change back https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/spicorr/character/spicorrvk

[harsh nova]

what's up with this 6m void cleave build? any knowers?

[waxen nymph]

3 questions
-Why go Smite Crit?
-Have you tried the Double Dmg node ? It use to work with Disintegrating Aura
-Why Ravaging Aura? Its a Spell and you are mainly doing Throwing Dmg. You could get +100 Flat Throwing inside VC instead

[waxen nymph]

Which one?

[gleaming pine]

smite crit, i think that's coz there's nothing else good to get. I was following iva markova's build. the flat throwing +100 is only for 1 throw though isn't it?

double dmg node, not sure about this one? where is it?

[turbid dome]

The double smite on direct cast chance

[gleaming pine]

Oh, I never cast smite, it's not even on my bar.. Just on idol

[turbid dome]

its more for void knight echoing it cause its separate double from echos

[waxen nymph]

I know the description mentions hits

But it use to work

[turbid dome]

thanks nemisus

[jovial oasis]

Dodge rating, bis armor now

[gleaming pine]

if zealots conviction works, that'd be pretty cool. i actually have 3 points unused because of +3 hammer from relic which i didnt reassign, so points could go there. normally the points would got attack speed

[unborn cypress]

Any Paladin pros in the house?

[turbid dome]

whats the quetsion

also I forget this is a thing

why is it behind a 300% cooldown recovery speed node

[unborn cypress]

I've got healing hand setup to always cast when I use smite, and it's also setup as a melee attack. My question is does this work with the Sword of Rahyeh passive?

[turbid dome]

this triggers on directly casting a spell, so cast smite triggers it, since your triggering healing hands on smite, the healing hands wont proc ity

if you've converted it to a melee attack it no longer counts as a spell so using healing hands directly wont proc it because its not a spell anymore

converted to melee it looses the spell tag

[alpine canopy]

Yeah it works

[unborn cypress]

I still dont understand. Smite will count as the spell being casting the last 4 seconds and then Healing Hands will count as the melee attack to ignite enemies correct?

So essentially it would all proc with one cast of Smite?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the smite procs the buff before HH goes, so the HH will always have extra ignite chance

[unborn cypress]

Awesome!!!

Anything else that goes good with this combo?

[alpine canopy]

Palarus sword imo

[unborn cypress]

Nice I'll check it out. I'm currently running hands of judgment

[alpine canopy]

It procs smites on secondary targets on direct smite cast, as well as smites on melee hit

[unborn cypress]

Wait . That's like an endless chain then?

Smite casts healing hands (which is now a melee attack) which would then cast smite again and so forth?

[alpine canopy]

Nah, nothing pops off of procced smites, only direct smite

[unborn cypress]

Ohhh lol too good to be true

[turbid dome]

wack

[cobalt blade]

Hax

Blinding light seems to apply blind pretty easily with warpath so far. Wonder if there is any alternative helm to Leo ignoring the fact that things not in melee range are still gonna crit me

[unborn cypress]

What's a good shield that goes with this?

[alpine canopy]

Might depend on the flavor of smite you want. Cradle always works on everything, that rahyeh shield is good on fire, probably some other options around, too. Or another palarus lol

[unborn cypress]

Oh yeah didnt think of that

[turbid dome]

use two palarus swords to get double flat scaling

[sullen jolt]

morning, anyone have a lootfilkter for shield bash maybe?

[modern light]

So if multistrike is set up to smite, if an idol gives you more swords, does it give more smite?

I've got a smiting paladin with that sword that smites alot. I'm using vengeance though because I have like 4 relics that give extra damage to smite and vengeance.

What gear and idols do you guys recommend?

[waxen nymph]

Yes, but be careful extra swords can't hit the initial target

[blazing grotto]

because if the buff lasted too long it wouldnt be balanced ?

[junior wren]

things in melee range ain't gonna crit either

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

why cant nemmy love me this much?

[quiet hearth]

Because EHG loves to point tax us. And the trees are very old and not up to the new standards that Runemaster and Warlock have set.

[harsh nova]

I like it there cuz when ur in melee range ur num locking reversal and it helps you with close attacks

Having it other places makes it no penalty to take all that base dodge

[quiet hearth]

They need to just rework any skill that relies on num locking

[harsh nova]

Not at all lol. Reversal is one of the most unique abilities and you dont num lock 24/7 lol just when ur bursting damage

[turbid dome]

thats moreso my point, if a skill wants you to numlock it (even if not all the time) I think the skill shouldn't be designed that way

[harsh nova]

Theres next to nothing you actually just hold down the whole time u play vk

Unlike shaman ect

[turbid dome]

timebubble (:

[quiet hearth]

Well, considering that goes against their anti-passive gameplay for one, and for two, if the best way to play the ability is to find ways to bypass getting RSI, something is wrong.

[harsh nova]

Ur not num locking it cuz its a 10 second cooldown

Casting off cooldown nowhere near the same as num locking a 1 second cooldown

[turbid dome]

yes and no, numlocking it basically turns it into enchant weapon with the auto use node

but overall you dont want skills that are done like that because then you end up with skills that need to be balanced around 100% uptime buffs

[quiet hearth]

oh engi, speaking of too many games coming out from yesterday, gunfire reborn is getting a new dlc in a few months too lol.

[turbid dome]

yay!

[orchid hazel]

"Summon Forged Weapon
Summons a Forged Weapon which lasts for 20 seconds and is affected by the stats and attack rate of your weapon. You can control up to 6 Forged Weapons at once.
Forged Weapons have 220 based health."

When it says stats, does that mean every mods on the weapon? implicits only? explicits only?

[turbid dome]

it gets implicts and every non-complicated affix on it

so like an affix for flat fire damage, yes

something like event horizions stacking system, no

[harsh nova]

Having cooldowns is part of combat management, removing those and requiring people to num lock abilities because they dont have a choice is what makes it toxic. Having mechanics to maintain uptime on buffs is fine.

If u could cast time bubble at any time u wouldnt let off the key

Because it has a cooldown you dont have to and arent num locking it

[quiet hearth]

They are bypassing the inherent balancing of the skill, which is bad, also I wanna see FW Event Horizon, that would be so funny to watch when they turn into the axes xD

[orchid hazel]

so definitely not unique effects?

[quiet hearth]

correct

[turbid dome]

Being able to ignore the cooldown because of duration increases/reducing the cooldown so you just have to hit a button every x seconds to upkeep it isn't a good upkeep in my mind

I would rather a buff skill that can reach that point instead by designed by turning it into a toggle aura style of thing like bone curse's aura around you that drains mana, give it a different kind of upkeep for 100% uptime rather than hit a button every x seconds

[orchid hazel]

What do you guys mean when you say "Event Horizon"?

[turbid dome]

big hammer

[harsh nova]

This is lazy gameplay and doesnt require enough out the player. U would literally hold right click and walk

[quiet hearth]

I still need to try to use that with Vengeance

Lazy gameplay, literally how a few skills are designed riiiight

[turbid dome]

how is having a different cost for 100% uptime that isn't hit a button every x seconds lazy gameplay?

constant mana drain to upkeep the skill requires build considerations

[harsh nova]

"Make it an aura"

[turbid dome]

imo hitting a button every 10 seconds for a buff is lazier then having to build around a mana drain upkeep, especially given last epoch's dislike of mana regen

[turbid dome]

yes an aura that you need to upkeep with build considerations

[harsh nova]

Thats making gameplay less interactive lol

Build and press right click

[turbid dome]

Nacho your not winning an interactive gameplay award when the version your arguing for its hit a button for something that auto casts on yourself and sticks to you

[quiet hearth]

No, it's giving the player options, especially those who might NEED to click less for whatever reason. It's only an issue if you HAVE to take it, which you dont. You can just press the button when you need the buff.

[orchid hazel]

the thing is... they can't really slow down an arpg by adding button presses for upkeep. It'll look like a lazy design

they would have to make it souls like, and slow down mob encounters

[quiet hearth]

No, this is not a souls like game, and does not need to be. You dont want slow mob encounters in an arpg, it feels terrible.

[harsh nova]

Theres builds like warpath in every clasa already for people with handicaps that cant do high apm

[turbid dome]

using POE as an example, the devs removed the ancestor totem buffs this past league because every melee build needing to hit a button every 8 seconds for buffs was not an enjoyable upkeep (these buffs accounted for 50% of every melee builds total damage)

[orchid hazel]

exactly, and I think this is one of LE's cons. It's got a little bit of an Identity crisis

[quiet hearth]

It really doesnt

[harsh nova]

Only using 1 ability is stupid asf like most other arpgs

The gameplay is super linear and stale

[quiet hearth]

Only there are tons of builds that use only one active skill, in tons of games. Some people like not having to micromanage a ton of skills when they play. They are options.

[orchid hazel]

I mean look at the affix auto loot

or lack of... they were trying to slow down arpg and made game designs around it

[turbid dome]

to be fair, orignally you grabbed the shards one at a time

[quiet hearth]

That....that is certainly a take to have

[harsh nova]

Lol poe does the exact same thing. They want you to feel the loot thats why they make you id all of it

[turbid dome]

tbh every time I look a poe2 stuff I get more hyped for it

[orchid hazel]

but POE is so much older than LE

[quiet hearth]

And Diablo is older than all of them, yet we still have that influence today

[turbid dome]

poe2 is a completely new game (:

[harsh nova]

Doesnt matter. They update the game monthy. Mechanics arent limited in poe only graphics

[turbid dome]

poe2 might just be an arpg that is good for melee (before reaching the 1 shot everything stage of a build)

[quiet hearth]

The one shot thing only happens because people think spending more than 10s fighting something is bad. Player power is absolutely obscene and most of the time you can play anything and beat anything in these sorts of games if you just slow down and take a few minutes.

[harsh nova]

Meanwhile shades have unavoidable melee attacks, you can literally stand behind them and they will u Punch you still

Shades harder than any boss in the game for melee its insane

[quiet hearth]

I wish they werent so stingy with warpath base area

[alpine canopy]

If warpath could reach anywhere near locust swarm area it would be 👀

[quiet hearth]

I dont think it needs to be THAT big, but it feel it needs a bit more area by default, or at least better scaling for it, I mean look at locust swarm lol

[waxen nymph]

And if Warpath could be fully converted to Cold it would be even better 😜

[quiet hearth]

I would love to see a cold mastery for sent honestly

[alpine canopy]

[quiet hearth]

now vlad has me scheming about a cold based sent

[alpine canopy]

Sent can use shattered lance fairly well, despite having no cold skills

or dex stacking bane of winter

[quiet hearth]

I still gotta get around to playing regenbear at some point

I wish shroud of obscuirity wasnt acy only

[cobalt blade]

Should %physical dmg and %dmg over time be equal or doesnt matter if either one is higher for bleed scalling?

[alpine canopy]

It doesn't matter, they are added together for bleeds

[cobalt blade]

tfw glyph of hope doesnt love you

[quiet hearth]

no glyphs love you, it's all a lie

I could write a power ballad about all the times glyph of hope has let me down.

[quiet hearth]

y'all ever switch builds, wonder why the wrong items are showing and realize you forgot to change your filter?

[alpine canopy]

I used to, but I switched over to just using 1 filter for everything now

[quiet hearth]

Im not quite there yet, but I kept seeing DOT gear and Im like wtf is going on, then I remembered I can actually read

[turbid dome]

[cursive rose]

when you have 10000 alts

you just leave the filter with little rules

although once you get high enough with merchant everyhting is junk compared to what you can seek out

[quiet hearth]

Do not speak to me about alts, I dont have a problem you do. No matter what my therapist says.

[cursive rose]

yeeeeeaaaa

i made 3 sents this season

i should get back to working on trying to make the event horizon work

but its just so bad compared to other builds but I like the memes

[quiet hearth]

I am convinced Rive is the answer, because, well Rive

[cursive rose]

it would help pulling them to you

im doing HH because it ignores the attack speed reduction but its still not great

kinda clunky channeling it

[quiet hearth]

I honestly think a Vengeance focused build, taking all the little auto hit back things is the way to go since you're moving approx the speed of smell

[cursive rose]

can do the HH ring of buddies build to always dash but its still pretty slow

[quiet hearth]

You can get enough MS that its not terrible, but the key is to not worry about having max stacks all the time

[alpine canopy]

Shield bash also ignores attack speed, as do a few other skills

[cursive rose]

lets see how bad they nerfed smelters

[quiet hearth]

Smelters was nerfed at the design table

[cursive rose]

I was reallly liking it but it was bugged

they fixed the good bug but not the bolster haha

[quiet hearth]

I just think mechanically it's not viable with the current state of the game.

Though even just making it so you could move a little bit during it would do wonders.

[turbid dome]

Tbh the inevitable boots should give you the dr while channeling smelters wrath

That might make it not death to stand still

[cursive rose]

you are supposed to get that

[quiet hearth]

Right, but I could also just use ES and do the same thing

[cursive rose]

the node is just bugged and doesnt give you endur it should

[quiet hearth]

Even with the end, it wouldn't be enough, that node should just be a fat less dmg taken node imo

[cursive rose]

more armor and more endur would make standing less lethal without the endur your missing another damage reduciton layer that is designed to be there

[harsh nova]

is why i hate anchor

it punishes you heavily for getting hit into endurance

[turbid dome]

Sentinel has like 2 sources for getting endurance that isn’t from gear

If sentinel is suppose to use endurance can we get something for %max hp gained as endurance threshold

[quiet hearth]

and they arent even that good

[harsh nova]

seed gives the mana endurance?

but that's only if ur running a mana stacker, which there's 1 in the whole class lol

[alpine canopy]

Holy aura also, for pally of course

[quiet hearth]

And sent gets a surprisngly small amount of block eff from it's node given the focus

[jovial oasis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1ezhwhr/psa_subskills_inherit_the_attribute_scaling_of/

Does subskills in this context mean things like void lasers

[alpine canopy]

Yes, void lasers are subskills. That post is not exactly correct though, they didn't remove any scaling tags from tooltips (many just have missing or incorrect tags).

[jovial oasis]

Was just wondering because some subskills are cool. I want to make lasers work by themselves but it seems a no go, and I'm always saddened by the weakness of some of the more interesting seeming ideas lol

[quiet hearth]

Will the subskills of vengeance echo?

[alpine canopy]

The lasers on shield rush move too fast I think for them to do much, and the ones on ES only proc on kills with the melee hit, except for the "on boss/rare hit" one. So it might be usable against a stationary boss only, otherwise it's just mechanically not viable.

[jovial oasis]

ES ones, and that's what I mean by weak

[alpine canopy]

No, not sure it technically even has any subskills

[quiet hearth]

It does with the iron dagger thing

[alpine canopy]

Iron blade is not a subskill

[quiet hearth]

How? It's literally a skill in a skill

[alpine canopy]

Your echoes should be able to proc most things that the main vengeance hit can proc

[alpine canopy]

Just the way it's implemented, it doesn't inherit stats from vengeance

[quiet hearth]

I dont need it to inherit stats, I just wonder if it echoes

[alpine canopy]

i.e. it has no attribute scaling and doesn't get any of the multipliers on the tree

[quiet hearth]

which the fact it doesnt inhert anything is just bizarre

[alpine canopy]

Procs can't echo

but like, if your vengeance echoes, it should still be able to proc things like this:

unless the description is just wrong of course lol

[quiet hearth]

who knows, gods know I dont xD

So the only thing I can see that doesnt scale with AS is Shield Bash

Engi, you tried using Eclipse hammer for ES yet?

[waxen nymph]

Channel HH too

[quiet hearth]

Eh, I dont like how that feels, but it would work

[alpine canopy]

Smelter's wrath effectively doesn't scale with attack speed unless you take the thing that makes it apply to your crit chance. Also, pretty much anything with a cooldown isn't majorly affected by it.

not sure on shield rush

[quiet hearth]

True, but then you are using smelters and have a whole other set of issues and SR does

[waxen nymph]

Oof shield Rush with less ms 😵

[alpine canopy]

Still faster than channeling HH

[quiet hearth]

lol, now I kinda wanna see what a less AS and MS SR looks like

[waxen nymph]

Also SR online is... Janky to be nice

[quiet hearth]

CAnt be anyworse than rampage

[waxen nymph]

Same same

[alpine canopy]

It is because it encourages you to spam start/stop the rush, otherwise it's identical

[waxen nymph]

If you click too fast you get stuck

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if you go negative if you get bonus damage xD

[alpine canopy]

Good quesion, that would actually be funny

[waxen nymph]

That would be pretty sweet indeed

[quiet hearth]

Do you only hit once during shield rush, or is it periodic like rampage?

[alpine canopy]

During the charge, you do hit enemies you touch like rampage. Not sure if you can multi-hit on a single enemy with that by going super slow.

[quiet hearth]

Even if you don't, if you have a lot of stacks it's gonna hit super hard

yeah it doesnt hit more if you are slower sadly

So if you just spam click no CD shield rush you can ignore the attack speed issue

[alpine canopy]

Then you do likely run into the jank Vlad mentioned, but otherwise potentially will have good damage

[quiet hearth]

Oh it's jank AF

However, when you have 10 stacks, the Counter Attack passive node actually deals decent dmg to trash mobs

Also you can evade out of getting stuck so it's not as bad as it was

[turbid dome]

I don’t think I’ve ever used vengeance

[quiet hearth]

I actually could see a VK doing this nonsense with echoes

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I know I want that leech right now as much as Im spamming lol

[turbid dome]

Mmm leech

Does the retribution attack from base sentinel always do physical dmg

[quiet hearth]

yep

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I mean it still inherits al your other mods, and you're only using it for trash anyway

[turbid dome]

I want some stupid thing that converts a skill to void damage if you have more added void damage than it’s base dmg type

[quiet hearth]

Im honestly not sure that it's even worth it given how big the area is

but it is funny to watch a completely passive skill deal like 3k non crits

[blazing grotto]

what would be the point if the void damage is added to your attack

[turbid dome]

To convert your weapons base damage to void

[blazing grotto]

either a skill is converted to a type or you get it to scale with the spell/melee type

[blazing grotto]

if your skill deals spell or melee damage and you have a spell or melee stat on your weapon it gets added anyway, it doesnt matter what element it is

[turbid dome]

It matters so you don’t need to scale both physical and void damage

[blazing grotto]

sure you dont scale both but that's your skill's issue, not a stat issue

[turbid dome]

Yeah it’s an idea for a way to convert it that isn’t just a convert it from the skills tree that you need to build around with the idea of corrupting it into a void skill

[blazing grotto]

it's like saying "i want to play a cold paladin build so i'd like all my skills to be converted to cold"

[turbid dome]

Honestly a cold convert for Paladin stuff would be cool

[quiet hearth]

ONly no, it would be like, I wand this cold dmg to convert to fire so it would scale with my paladin nodes

Paladin of Hereot ftw

[blazing grotto]

no it's the other way around, he wants the skill to convert to an element based on his weapon's damage type

[turbid dome]

Given we litterally side with hereot during the story, yes

[turbid dome]

I want the physical damage of the skill to become the main dmg type I’m stacking because sentinel lacks a real physical damage focus

[blazing grotto]

yup that's the same thing

[quiet hearth]

Which is really weird honestly

[turbid dome]

But I’m also kinda bored of items/passives that just say convert the skill so I thought of a slightly different way to convert it

Which I think is thematic given the void corruption theme of the game

Tie it to a passive at the end of the void knight tree

Build enough flat void to have more than the base phys from your weapon -> now it’s a void skill

[quiet hearth]

I mean, the main dmg of weapons is already adaptive, just not the extra affixes

[blazing grotto]

well if you look at TQ, they have an "elemental conversion" for damage, where your damage gets converted into a % split between fire/ice/lightning as it hits an enemy (and it's freakin' op)

[turbid dome]

TQ?

[quiet hearth]

titan quest

[blazing grotto]

titan quest

[turbid dome]

Ah

I should play titan quest more

[quiet hearth]

good news, we're getting another one xD

[turbid dome]

Yeee

[quiet hearth]

eventually no release date iirc

[alpine canopy]

GD is already TQ2 kinda, and it's really good, you can even play melee

[quiet hearth]

even play melee...what does that even mean?

[turbid dome]

As much as I enjoyed grim dawn, I could never get into it fully

[quiet hearth]

Why? Like legit.

[turbid dome]

Probably the combo of my crappy eye sight and the graphics

[alpine canopy]

Referencing this from earlier

[turbid dome]

Ye

[quiet hearth]

I mean, you can play melee now, nothing is stopping you?

[turbid dome]

You can play anything, a melee friendly, hell an arpg where melee is better than ranged would be a shock

Again ignoring once a build reaches the point of one shotting everything

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I hope TQ2 is basically just the modernized systems of GD, but the great setting/etc. of TQ

[turbid dome]

I’d love that

[quiet hearth]

I mean, you cant really have that just because of reality. Its always gonna be safer to kill something from way over there

[turbid dome]

Not even that, more so mechanics that don’t punish melee extremely more than ranged

[quiet hearth]

I mean, GD is currently the modern version of itself. Theyve been updating so much.

[alpine canopy]

Not always true, they can also make ranged weak enough that it's worth the risk of melee

[quiet hearth]

That is bad design, you dont weaken something (unless its actually broken), you buff the other thing. But true engi the floor is lava is real these days.

[alpine canopy]

Right, so we want that, but without the superdark everything that's mostly way overused in ARPGs

[quiet hearth]

But what didnt you like about GD engi, Im genuinely curious.

[blazing grotto]

no because at some point you're just buffing everything and it becomes the same grind in endgame for everything

[alpine canopy]

These are exactly the same thing though

[quiet hearth]

No? that isn't how balance works, not everything needs to be equal just viable. And no it is not.

[blazing grotto]

it's like saying "yeah we buffed X and Y class so that they can also farm 1500+ corruption, enjoy guys"

[turbid dome]

Like the most melee friendly screen wide attack in LE is the shades triple ring attack, the inner ring is so small you can just stand in it and ignore the outer two and dodge away when the inner ring explodes

[blazing grotto]

....and then what ? what's next ? it becomes redundant

[turbid dome]

The building was fun, the combat was fun, the graphics really just did me end, which is weird because graphics normally don’t cook a game for me

(Diablo 2, Lunacid, etc.)

[blazing grotto]

d3 was pretty boring to most endgame people who were chasing for just that one extra stat point every 50 hours of gameplay on the same item or slightly better item

[quiet hearth]

You dont have to make everything a 10, not everything needs to be perfect and that's impossible. It needs to operate within a certain range. So anything under 5/10 needs help, something that is a 7/10 is fine, even if it isnt as strong as a 10/10

[alpine canopy]

Yes that is how balance works

[quiet hearth]

They did do a graphics update, but I get that

We'll agree to disagree Toast

[turbid dome]

Something is just off with grim dawn for how it’s graphics get seen by my crappy eyes

Gives me hella headaches

[blazing grotto]

well not really, that would be saying a tank should be able to clear every content as easily/quickly as a dps class

[turbid dome]

Are we talking glass cannon vs zdps tank?

[alpine canopy]

Huh? I never mentioned anything related to that

[blazing grotto]

you kinda did with your answer

[turbid dome]

Like yeah a tank shouldn’t clear anywhere as fast as a pure dmg build, the tank also shouldn’t only survive 8 seconds longer than the glass cannon

[alpine canopy]

I said, in a theoretical scenario, if ranged classes give you everything, there's no benefit to melee

[quiet hearth]

You cant do that though because it's so vague, but I feel we're going down a rabbit hole that doesn't belong in sent chat.

[turbid dome]

True, don’t make me go on my leech shouldn’t exist in an arpg rant again

[alpine canopy]

In what part exactly? I'm really not sure where the disconnect is. Melee vs. ranged is not tank vs. DPS

[blazing grotto]

he said not everything needs to be equal just viable, you agreed by saying that this is how balance works, but 2 builds cant be equally viable

[quiet hearth]

That one is a take Engi, but I could definite see the argument it should be more part of a theme rather than a base.

[blazing grotto]

if a build is considered viable even though it is clearing the content 10x slower than another then i'm sorry that can't be true

[turbid dome]

Leech inherently forces an arpg to enter the one shots are the only threat because you can full heal instantly

Given how much damage a build reaches

[alpine canopy]

Oh, sorry. I was responding to them saying adjusting the relative power levels of classes isn't balancing

[quiet hearth]

I'd say that one shots have become a crutch, and that anti leech mechanics should be instated to shut those kinds of builds down instead of punishing everyone.

[turbid dome]

I’d much rather play an arpg with massively inflated player hp but much slower regen, I believe this would make boss fights a lot more interesting to play

[quiet hearth]

But again, I feel we're getting away from the channel topics

[blazing grotto]

i mean i have no issues with one shot builds if they have been built specifically and well for that sole mission

but not everyone likes to do it

[turbid dome]

Enemies one shotting you because if they don’t their damage means nothing because you instantly full heal

Not you one shotting all the enemies

[blazing grotto]

some like to play archetypes or with a specific attack mode

[blazing grotto]

yeah but it's kind of a paradox at that point

[turbid dome]

True

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, leech is kinda OP and puts that issue into play

so is healing in some cases

[turbid dome]

Hp regen stacking shattered lance is silly for the same reason

Things have to one shot you

Or the damage doesn’t matter

[quiet hearth]

Or things could have a tag that cuts your healing in half

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, at least that typically comes at the cost of stacking health, which balances it a little

[quiet hearth]

If the table has one leg longer than the other, you adjust the leg, not punch through the table.

[turbid dome]

Grievous wounds would be a bandaid fix that would feel bad to run into randomly and die to

[quiet hearth]

I disagree, getting one shot feels so much worse because there is no feedback. Having a debuff that decreases your leech/regen and could potentially be cleansed is far better.

[turbid dome]

Fair point

[quiet hearth]

Not turn off, just reduce. If you're riding that fine of a line to be a glass cannon, that is kinda well, a glass cannon issue xD

[turbid dome]

My mind instantly jumped to all the mods maps can have in PoE that just say hey your build can’t do it

[alpine canopy]

I'd be happy if they nerfed health recovery across the board (to still be better than ward generation) and then buffed max health so getting one-shot on a health build gets a lot harder

[turbid dome]

Halving health healing, doubling max health could be interesting

But then low life ward goes silly

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the health to ward things would of course be reduced in line with the changes