🔱┃sentinel

[waxen nymph]

First Spirals, then chain after the 1st hit

[chilly peak]

🥹

[quiet hearth]

lmao

Hammers go BrrrrWEEEE

[waxen nymph]

Let me try to record it real quick

[chilly peak]

So more hits...more hits = more bleed...
... damn you see me staring that tree for a while now 😄

[turbid dome]

Be me, wishing time rot didn’t cap

[waxen nymph]

Might take a while to upload

[quiet hearth]

Time rot caps?

[waxen nymph]

12

[brittle grove]

i heard no cap timerot?

[turbid dome]

Pretty

[quiet hearth]

that is jank af

[chilly peak]

It is beautiful, but that saves me time - I see the problem, this isn't working well with dots

[turbid dome]

@waxen nymph what happens if you hit a single target with nothing to chain too

Does it just do the normal spiral

[quiet hearth]

Did you notice the chain goes back to the original target?

[waxen nymph]

Let me check but my guess the hammer just stop

[quiet hearth]

It's a triple double

[waxen nymph]

No its doesnt

[brittle grove]

btw, has someone found a shieldbash built yet that isnt slow as fridge? i still wanna test that main hand shield

[quiet hearth]

I saw the extra numbers and thought it did, but you are right it doesnt flash twice

[waxen nymph]

Spiral then hit and disappear

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

It is weird, they are a lot of extra number, you are right

Oo

[quiet hearth]

they are small, you have some dots somewhere?

[waxen nymph]

No, I am naked

I am some shred chance

I went and hit another dummy and I got 1 number

A small one like 50

And the "double" hits does 50 ish too

[quiet hearth]

well that is weird

[waxen nymph]

Free double Dmg Oo

[quiet hearth]

It really is a triple double xD

Wait, what happens if you have the double dmg nodes then?

[turbid dome]

Does the random extra hit also apply bleed

[chilly peak]

two dummys to chain to probably?

[quiet hearth]

man lvs of hammer throw are hard to come by

[quiet hearth]

is the dbl dmg just hitting twice? O.o

[waxen nymph]

Maybe

Its probably the hit box of the hammer collides once when it arrives to the target and a second time when it leaves for the chain

[quiet hearth]

that would make sense

[chilly peak]

🤔

[quiet hearth]

parting gift hammers

[chilly peak]

If only parsing dmg was possible. That would change a ton about bleed pally

[waxen nymph]

Yes

Just test on the 3 dummys with roughly 100% Bleed

[quiet hearth]

So, +5 is the max unless you want to get into using weird things like falcon chest and rogue boots

[turbid dome]

How are you using rogue armor on sentinel

Tell me your secrets

[waxen nymph]

Dummy 1-2 got 2 Bleeds, Dummy 3 got 1

[chilly peak]

Ooooffff

Nice to know! 🥳

[quiet hearth]

It's not a rogue specific, just has rogue affixes

[turbid dome]

I thought the falconer body armor was a rogue base

[quiet hearth]

Is it? *it is >.<

So only +3, bleh

and the boots arent compelling enough outside of that to be worth it I think

[turbid dome]

Elecoe’s is rouge only ;-;

Thornslinger with a good slam?

[quiet hearth]

thornslinger and a relic, that's it

[turbid dome]

That’s +5 no? 1 from slinger 4 from t7 slam

[chilly peak]

Would even be a nice one for a bleeder, but hard to fit it in for me atm

[waxen nymph]

Omnis or Nihilis

For another +1 or +2

[turbid dome]

Oh yeah those dudes

[quiet hearth]

Right, but that is a t7 slam, and omnis is a myth Im pretty sure

[chilly peak]

So 5 on relic +1 belt, +1 amulett - you should be able to come along with 27 ^^

[waxen nymph]

Erased Sentinel Relic for +1 and pray for another +4

Oh ! too slow

[quiet hearth]

yeah like that is gonna happen xD

So realistically Thornslinger and +3 from a decent relic

[turbid dome]

Isn’t hammer throw a dex skill

[quiet hearth]

It scales with St AND Dex

So really it turns into can VK brute force enough echoes to catch up with FG crit

[turbid dome]

Traitor’s tongue for +2

Don’t care about the actual dagger stats given this is a throwing build

[chilly peak]

I'm already on it. I just cut attack speed and one point in weightened hammers for the start. Now going for a Valdyrs slam 😄

[quiet hearth]

I wish I could set what the lvl of affixes were in letools

TT also could have 2 LP

[waxen nymph]

And thats a lot of Crit Multi !

[quiet hearth]

is there a decent sword we could DW?

[waxen nymph]

Biggest problem, its not an Axe or a Sword for Blademaster

Katana for more Crit Multi
Cavalry Sword for Evade

[turbid dome]

Traitors tongue main hand, symbol of demise in the offhand?

[quiet hearth]

? we get gladiator which is only for swords

[waxen nymph]

Gladiator ?

[turbid dome]

Traitors goes in your main hand

[quiet hearth]

rainbow edge give

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah

[turbid dome]

Symbol of demise is a catalyst that gives up to 200% bleed chance

[quiet hearth]

nah this is direct damage not bleed

Rainbow edge can give 75% crit multi

[waxen nymph]

I believe its Volin thats doing Bleed

[turbid dome]

Oh I thought we were bleeding

[quiet hearth]

easy two lp, which a reasonable chance for 3

[chilly peak]

I don't see me giving up block yet 😄

[waxen nymph]

But you need to generate Ward first

[turbid dome]

It generates a decent amount of ward but ye

[chilly peak]

t7 shield will bring me finally to 100%

[quiet hearth]

So yeah, a rainbow edge with crit multi from LP can hit over 100 global multi

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

rainbow edge BIS slot offhand for throwing build, what a time to be alive

And it gives shock and chill chance, so more dmg and safety, dont think it beats a shield

Maybe use a close call to get an obscene amount of armor on block?

No wait, the shield throw shield, we're scaling throwing stats

[turbid dome]

I thought of that shield but it gives shield throw levels not throwing skills levels and I got sad

[quiet hearth]

but it would be free shield throws

And whenever it goes it gives 100% armor and 100% throwing damage

But Im sorry Engi, I have failed you with this build

[turbid dome]

Not even for abyssal endurance?

[quiet hearth]

not a single point lol

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I guess I could take points out of paladin, not getting much out of it aside from hp and pen

I just dont think the extra resists and void dmg beat out 16% pen and HP

[turbid dome]

Abyssal gives life and 2 resistances

My thought would be get the opener pen in Paladin then dump the rest into abyssal

With abyssal you should be at capped phys resistance without any items for it

[quiet hearth]

I lose 128 flat HP, necrotic res, and 57% healing eff

[turbid dome]

Darn

[quiet hearth]

yeah the pally nodes go hard on life

[turbid dome]

But does opening an affix slot due to capping physical res mean more life over all

[quiet hearth]

I mean, I get 25% fire and phys just for being a FG

Im at 40/330 crit/multi with just the dagger, rings, belt and relic

[turbid dome]

FG is 35% so 10 points into abyssal is capped phys res by itself

[quiet hearth]

But that is 10pts, and I lose out on the dex into crit chance

[turbid dome]

Or you can do battle hardened but I like the life over armor when hit

[turbid dome]

Darn

[quiet hearth]

that alone pretty much reads, build dex, cap crit

[turbid dome]

Evasion fg time

[quiet hearth]

I still think a VK doing this would do really well though. With good gear enough echos might equal out

Nope, it all gets turned into armor with iron reflexes

[turbid dome]

Crit vk could work with it using a flat crit chance dagger or axe base

[quiet hearth]

MAybe, but it's gonna be a lot harder to get to crit cap

[turbid dome]

Yeah but void corruption let’s you spend more on getting the crit chance and still have good crit multi

Ima do a planner on my lunch break in like 5 mins

[quiet hearth]

alternatively I could drop the shield and use a spear

[turbid dome]

Is there no way to convert hammer throw to void

Did the lil void symbol lie to me again

[quiet hearth]

No void conversion, just flat added void

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

and not even a lot

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget +100 void throwing damage

[quiet hearth]

I like how I can cap reduced dmg from crits with just the hat because of the throwing node. It's such a weird place to add that. That should be somewhere else

It's like 16

[turbid dome]

Man I wish abborths command worked with hammer throw da

[quiet hearth]

ikr

[turbid dome]

I throw the hammer

[quiet hearth]

I was like where tf is that in hammer

[turbid dome]

Void cleave gaming

[quiet hearth]

One day, I will be able to read

...would that stack?

[turbid dome]

Good question

[quiet hearth]

Imagine if it does, boots and the extra charge and you just shink 4 times and throw a guided missle at someone

[turbid dome]

That would be funny

As a side effect of going for void throwing damage I get void spell damage so smite on throwing hit time

[stuck delta]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/rive-void-knight-guide is this guide good to use?

[quiet hearth]

I see Rive and VK, I genuinely dont think it can be wrong

[turbid dome]

Yeah that’s a solid guide to follow, just understand rive vk doesn’t get super tanky until you get the legendaries for it

[quiet hearth]

.....I just had a thought

[stuck delta]

Ok ty

[quiet hearth]

Rive VK echoing with the ruby fang set

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

sighs another meme build on the pile

So, if I have the node Rive deals more damage, that applies to dots it applies as well right?

[turbid dome]

[stuck delta]

Do you have any other good build that isn't based on legendaries

[quiet hearth]

Just play that with normal items until you get those

[turbid dome]

^

[quiet hearth]

Rive is strong enough to carry you through most of the game

Engi, does the added damage for an axe get double by that rive node?

[turbid dome]

For reaver is just the affixes ok your weapon

[quiet hearth]

That's what I thought but I wasnt sure

[turbid dome]

or does it count implict....

[quiet hearth]

...is penetration a damage stat?

[turbid dome]

"stats on that weapon that directly add damage, increase damage, or add a chance to apply an ailment on hit"

does not double pen

[quiet hearth]

but it's a damage stat, it increases damage

[turbid dome]

to my knowledge it is directly referring to the %increased damage affixes and add melee damage affixes

[quiet hearth]

lame, can you imagine doubling the pen on the bonk hammer?

[turbid dome]

That’s exactly why it doesn’t double it

[quiet hearth]

Who cares? You're swinging like, once every 3s

[turbid dome]

Not on the bonk hammer just a decent pen affix gets stupid very quickly

[quiet hearth]

Shhh

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

But the bonk hammer still has like 120 something base damage

[turbid dome]

Prismatic gaze time

Apathy’s maw with double T7 melee void damage, increased void damage and void pen

Before getting doubled

So 4 T7 melee void damages worth of flat dmg, unethical levels of increase and pen

[quiet hearth]

I mean, the hammer gets 72% pen, which is just hilarious

[turbid dome]

Yeah

But no flat other than it’s implicit

[quiet hearth]

Which is still higher than most other weapons base AND it gets up to 150% more damage, which is just wild

[turbid dome]

Ye

But for rive the less attack speed kills it

[quiet hearth]

Not really, rive has fast AS as is. I've toyed with it a bit, it doesnt feel bad at all

I could see a paladin stacking attunement for that flat fire damage

[turbid dome]

I’d rather way more flat + way more attack speed for rive, especially with echos

[quiet hearth]

Oh yeah for echoes more chances to echo is key, but if Im just gonna stand here and beat you with a slab of concrete I dont need to be that fast

if only we could give rive the fire tag

[turbid dome]

Just add a ton of melee fire damage to it

[quiet hearth]

No, for the ruby fang thing, it gives poison chance to fire skills

[turbid dome]

Oh right that

[quiet hearth]

So it works on HH but not Rive, which is silly

[turbid dome]

I thought you were meaning for big hammer

[quiet hearth]

Nah, big hammer is all about stacking flat, but I somehow never thought about abusing echoes for stacking dots

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Dont judge me

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

it's also weird that making Rive summon FW doesnt give it the minion tag

[turbid dome]

Rive hates getting tags

[quiet hearth]

So weird to think Im axing the third strike on rive

[turbid dome]

Sword swing go swoosh

[quiet hearth]

Hard to pass up 150% ignite chance

[turbid dome]

Through the power of prismatic gaze I can cap throwing hammer crit chance

[quiet hearth]

lel

[turbid dome]

As a side effect smite is crit capped and I also just kinda end up with decent smite damage

[quiet hearth]

Wait, how are you gaining the shards?

[alpine canopy]

Yes it does

[turbid dome]

I’m not using the shards, the helmet just gives +4 flat crit chance

[alpine canopy]

No

[quiet hearth]

ah ok

[turbid dome]

Huzzah

[quiet hearth]

I mean I knew it counted the implicit

now to see if I can overcome this

[alpine canopy]

The biggest issue on that hammer is the move speed, there are quite a few melee attacks that don't scale with attack speed which do fine as long as you don't need to move at all lol

[quiet hearth]

You can just evade and lose the stacks

[waxen nymph]

This is really sad

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, loses the damage too

[waxen nymph]

And poorly worded

[quiet hearth]

We knew that Vlad

I mean you just slap things again, not that big of a deal really

[waxen nymph]

I was still convinced since it did not say on use that it was some kind of bug

[alpine canopy]

but will they fix it is the question

[quiet hearth]

The wording is garbo for real

[alpine canopy]

because I don't think they made that change to nerf anything other than SD

[waxen nymph]

A bit to HH too

Oh btw Father, since we are here in the right channel

[alpine canopy]

fair, I guess procced HH shouldn't work with it even if they do fix, so we're safe

[alpine canopy]

👀

[waxen nymph]

Maybe ... Hope is not lost

[alpine canopy]

Would be nice, can't let diamond matrons have all the fun

I want a sky laser, too

[quiet hearth]

this is after allocating passives xD

[turbid dome]

Less damage is a lot

[quiet hearth]

that is AS

[turbid dome]

*less attack speed is a lot

[quiet hearth]

you are NOT wrong

[turbid dome]

I did a typo

[quiet hearth]

you did, how dare you

[turbid dome]

Need more void

[quiet hearth]

I wonder if I should do non-crit and use wing guards for that AS since I have so much flat and pen

[turbid dome]

If your doing a hit based build not having crit is trolling

[quiet hearth]

Not if Im swinging once per quarter

[turbid dome]

Hmmm

[quiet hearth]

eh, it's only 10% less AS on rare gloves, so not really a point

[turbid dome]

@quiet hearth heres my probably bad quick attempt at vk hammer throwing https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QndjLVEo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (67) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,640, Regen: 122.4/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 44 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 90% / 87% / 82% / 89% / 86% / 101%
▸ EHP: 11,643 / 11,643 / 11,643 / 14,494 / 10,770 / 10,770 / 10,770

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 528
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,540)
▸ Block Chance: 95%, Mitigation: 57% (2,767)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (22)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Smite (20)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Prismatic Gaze
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss

[quiet hearth]

This might be a good build for food of the mountain

[turbid dome]

Mmm mountain food

[quiet hearth]

Oh no, the sulorons, get 1LP and slam t7 movement speed on them xD

that is with the boots and two silver rings xD

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Slower than molassas in winter, but by gods when I get there

I actually think the Retribution passive would be great for this build, something punches you when you have 10 stacks and just gets auto gibbed

[turbid dome]

Yes

[quiet hearth]

Because it will still inherit all the goodness and doesnt care about AS

actually I wonder if vengeance wouldn't be better

nah, still too slow

[turbid dome]

Auto bomber event horizon, stack it to ten and walk through the echo with retribution killing everything

[quiet hearth]

And gods help any rare you have to actually swing at

[turbid dome]

Thoughts on the ramshackle hammer throw vk (it is currently ignoring the concept of mana)

[quiet hearth]

What is mana? Cant hear you, oh no

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget 0 cost when out of mana node

[quiet hearth]

do you not have minus cost on rings?

[turbid dome]

I do

This just adds a little bit of mana cost

[alpine canopy]

There are totally options for attacks that don't scale with attack speed, then you don't need to worry about that at all

[quiet hearth]

"little bit"

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Im aware toast, but Im using Rive

[turbid dome]

Wait I could just hard cast smite to get my mana back

Hell yeah we gaining and spending

[quiet hearth]

Smite as a mana gen, what a world

I think the main issue with chain, is that it's not enough chains to compensate for not using the spiral

[turbid dome]

I’m not using either technically

[quiet hearth]

I see

[alpine canopy]

but why? feels like wrong shape peg for other shape hole

[quiet hearth]

Because I can, look at the name

[turbid dome]

double damage stats go bonk

[alpine canopy]

I feel sometimes like you use a totally different dictionary from me lol

[turbid dome]

Fr?

[quiet hearth]

Comment was kinda mid yo

[turbid dome]

Facts

[alpine canopy]

I hope you guys aren't planning on the more damage stat getting doubled

[turbid dome]

Nah the flat feeding into it

[quiet hearth]

Guys? First of all, how dare you assume I'd drag Engi into this insanity with me.

[turbid dome]

Jokes on you I’m already insane, so double insanity makes me sane again

[quiet hearth]

only if insanity is a negative number

[turbid dome]

Void or something idk it works

[brittle grove]

nah, it gets you a visit to the house with the white cushions on the walls and floors

[quiet hearth]

FROM THE WINDOWS, TO THE WALLS, IMMA BOUNCE RIGHT OFF THEM ALL

[quiet hearth]

[brittle grove]

so, can someone level a forgeguard for me, i hate leveling and not being able to respecialize mastery

[quiet hearth]

I have one leveled whats up?

[brittle grove]

nah i NEED one

[quiet hearth]

steam family share and 50 bucks then /jk (dont ban me)

[turbid dome]

Rive fixes this

[quiet hearth]

It really do man

[brittle grove]

iirc (just to end the meme here) you cant share games with additional login requirements

[quiet hearth]

Im aware

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

[quiet hearth]

literally as fast as we get boys

[turbid dome]

Is there anything in this game that gives more attack speed

[quiet hearth]

very little as it turns out

I guess I get to sort of double up with HH

I also cannot get crit chance to save my life here

[turbid dome]

Slam flat melee crit chance on it

[quiet hearth]

gets me to 39% with a t5 lol

It's also not including the flat crit from the rive tree

So with a t7 and that I should be getting to around 80% at least

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I try not to use those though, I tend to be realistic with my gear choices unless it's something I know no one uses

wow, not even AS on idols

[quiet hearth]

nemmy being weird

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

This could be great, wish me luck

[brittle grove]

mana regen, called it now

[quiet hearth]

you lied

[brittle grove]

i'm ok with that nonetheless

[quiet hearth]

will have to see how hard it empowered

[turbid dome]

crab

[quiet hearth]

Thats another one I gotta do, because buff crab has some serious numbers

so uh, this happened

[turbid dome]

I love perma haste with those

[quiet hearth]

30% cdr, I wonder what I should use that for

[turbid dome]

The node that turns javelin into a banner thing

[quiet hearth]

final result

[turbid dome]

🦀

[quiet hearth]

yo nemmy putting in work today

I see we still have infinite loading screen issues

[pallid roost]

Is abberoth's command still bugged w voidcleave on VK ( CANNOT ECHO)

IK echo say's "Excludes movement abilities and anomaly" however, voidcleave overwrites this - BUT making it instant with the scepter seems to undo this so it actually CANNOT echo w the sceptre, i was trying to cook up somethin cool w it

like am i doing something that's screwing this up from echoing????

[turbid dome]

Based on what someone was saying earlier it appears to be bugged

[pallid roost]

damn, lame

[quiet hearth]

time for that werebear build I guess

[queen valley]

anyone got valdyr's chalice or blood of the exile? cant seem to get them to dorp

[twilit valley]

Many drop with COF

[queen valley]

im merchants guild 🥲

[waxen nymph]

Just buy them then ^^

[queen valley]

1 rank off it hahah, so slow to go up, but grinding away

got my health up to 1.75k now so should help a bit with survivability

3 more levels and can wear my helm that reduces crits by 75%

[waxen nymph]

What are you playing?

[queen valley]

bleed paly

[waxen nymph]

Hammer Smite Bleed Paladin?

[queen valley]

yeah

just trying to get it online a bit, damage is good, but get 1 tapped a lot haha, trying to build defenses up. all resists are capped. health was only 1.1k before, so added another 600hp

[chilly peak]

You have some Endurance? That is really important as HP build imo

[queen valley]

20% endurance 350 threshhold

36 block chance 34% effectiveness.
2.2k armor

[chilly peak]

Getting those up will make you a ton more tanky

[queen valley]

yeah just scouring the market now. everything is stupid expensive xD

[queen valley]

actually those stats were without buffs

48% block chance
700 > 30% block effectiveness
2158 > 39% armor
35% endurance
650 threshhold
max resists

[queen valley]

What will end up doing more damage.
Increase physical damage
or Physical penetration with bleed?

[heavy nymph]

Hey folks. I need your hivemind to solve situation. Currently im running erasing strike, doing great, love build. Have no major problems with dps and tankiness and 750c. For now my chest piece is this and i wonder if 3lp null potent will be an upgrade or not since i lose a quite noticable amout of armor:

This is my current stats:

[chilly peak]

Usually the penetration, at least if you got some "increased" elsewhere, what should be the case

[queen valley]

sweet thats what i went with. only had enough to get T1 on it though xD hard to find them affixes

[chilly peak]

Btw did you see my PM yesterday?

[queen valley]

i didnt no, ill check now

[stuck delta]

How to unlock void cleave?

[dawn notch]

hi, does anyone know if Judgement pious offering increase the damage of consecrated aura?

[queen valley]

sorted my stuff now my hp stays full almost always xD

[waxen nymph]

Reach a certain lvl I believe

[waxen nymph]

Yes

Technically its a More Dmg not Increased Dmg

[dawn notch]

consecrated aura is affected by damage of judgement?

[waxen nymph]

Yes, Conc Aura being a Subskill of Judgement everything that affect one affect the other (when applicable)

So any node that says "Jydgment Deals More Dmg" work with the Aura

If it says "Deals More Melee Dmg" doesnt work with the Aura because its a Spell

[cobalt blade]

Unlocked as Sentinel lv19, must use 2h-axe or sword or it will grey out unless you use Aberroth's Command unique

[dawn notch]

thanks

[waxen nymph]

I hope I was clear ❤️

[grizzled arrow]

@waxen nymph where is the link to the yt vid on last epoctools i dont see it

think i saw other builds but they had the yt icon to clikc in the top riught but not seeing it

[dawn notch]

when sigil of hope is at max number, and i cast it to replace the existing one, does this action consider as consuming the sigil of hope stack?

[grizzled arrow]

had to go back to all builds and search for it there sorry for the ping

[waxen nymph]

Its okay I dont mind pings, but I am not sure what video you are referring to ?

OH!! I got you

The FW video we were discussing yesterday

[grizzled arrow]

yeah i had to go up a fair bit as i could not find the yt vid on my histroy

when i pinged you i wondered how you saw the video of it so i could see what im doing wrong

[waxen nymph]

If you use the search fonction from discord you can make it super easy

in: #🔱┃sentinel has: video

or link maybe

[grizzled arrow]

i looked at the builds on LETOOLS and just looked up fg that used maw

[waxen nymph]

in: 🔱┃sentinel has: link

[grizzled arrow]

i dont get whats going on its not linking to anything

are you asking for the link to the vido or trying to link the video for me to find it?

[waxen nymph]

None, I was telling next time you are looking for smth you can use that fonction in discord to search easily

[grizzled arrow]

ah

due to the axe i was using my dps is basicly the same so now i need to egg the maw then see what i get and if lp2 slam it

yeah from the sounds of it he does not at the time at least know about the bug you where right

[cobalt blade]

Ping Vlad

[waxen nymph]

Imo its not a game breaking super abusable bug (not like the one in Smelter Wrath). It can give you a nice boost of power if you build around it, but nothing extraordinary

[cobalt blade]

I think I am abit burned out farming for the Leonine reduced cost

[chilly peak]

Farming Leos for 3 chars atm 🥵

[cobalt blade]

Whats the affix

[chilly peak]

2 share HP, one phys penetration preferably (worst case I'd go with the double phys/bleed,but only if it is else perfect)

[twilit valley]

Feeling down , after 50 runs got 2 lp2 world splitters with 0.5 crit and missed both slams

[chilly peak]

Worst case I'd also take %HP on all three 😄

[cobalt blade]

Wowzer..

I think i will slow down abit, farmed 3 days, spent million of favor, got it but crafting wasnt ideal (Forging potential ran out)

[chilly peak]

Good thing is that I have ok'ish ones for all chars. Can only improve here

[cobalt blade]

Ayy 👏

[cobalt blade]

I was lucky enough to slam the one 2lp world splitter i had and it succeed

But every thing else 2LP like titan heart, darkstride, orian sun seal takes about 8th slam on average

[chilly peak]

Funny was, that I realized yesterday, that my Bleeder has not a single t7 affix yet. But already performs very nice and can facetank most bosses on 600c.

Powercreep is only a thing, if we let it happen ^^

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olg46aqB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (8) / Paladin (64)

General:

▸ Health: 3,225, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 170.51, Regen: 8.81/s
▸ Ward Retention: 90%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 12 Dex / 12 Int / 1 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 101% / 132% / 74% / 85% / 78% / 131%
▸ EHP: 16,755 / 16,755 / 16,755 / 25,576 / 16,755 / 16,755 / 16,755

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 669
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,156)
▸ Block Chance: 82%, Mitigation: 60% (3,046)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Smite (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Salt the Wound
• Blood of the Exile
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Aurora's Time Glass
• Valdyr's Chalice

[cobalt blade]

Salt the Wound!

[chilly peak]

Sure thing

[cobalt blade]

The defensive stats looking so nice

Though I dont know much about pally and their skills

[chilly peak]

Nothing fancy or new here, you throw Hammers that proc a ton of Bleed stacks.
Awful Echo farmer (imo), but a very solid boss killer, if you are not used to one-shot them with Static or such things 😄

[cobalt blade]

One of those hammerdin huh

Throwing dmg and bleed dot scale?

[chilly peak]

nope

Thats why I avoid that stat

[cobalt blade]

Yea no thowing dmg

[chilly peak]

You want Phys dmg, Penetration and Bleed stuff (dot and inreased duration)

[chilly peak]

Btw EHP is even higher actually cause of the Sigils^^

[cobalt blade]

Endu Threshold per sigil?

[chilly peak]

More the 12% Block, but yes, that also

[cobalt blade]

Ahh.... i have not played any class with block. Didnt look into those nodes

[chilly peak]

Tons of DR 🤷‍♂️

[cobalt blade]

I have only 25%

Thinking if null portent > titan heart

[dawn notch]

anyone know if the damage of consecrated ground from Judgement can be increased by other amplifier when it is on duration? or it only take the damage of judgement during cast?

let's say i have path of heaven from warpath which give me +50 spell damage when spinning, I use warpath after judgement, does my consecrated ground damage increased by path of heaven spell damage?

[waxen nymph]

No the dmg snapshot for the who'd duration.

So Warpath after is useless

Only thing I can think of is applying debuffs to the mobs like Fire Shred or using Volatile Reversal

[dawn notch]

yeah, i just tested it in the arena after respec, im trying to make a walking sim paladin, but it always need to add some more button pressing to make use of all skills

like javelin -> judgement, or some melee skill to trigger the Damage healing hands while consecrated ground is on-going

i also find it weird that healing hand's passive Cleric's Hammer, it says cast healing hands on melee hits but apparently it only cast on melee cast, my warpath hitting enemy does not cast healing hands at all

[waxen nymph]

It's because Cleric Hammer says "when you use...." and 1 channel of Warpath is 1 use

[dawn notch]

it is so fun to make builds on last epoch, but not everything really works together

[turbid dome]

Man i really wish rebuke had a node that made it a toggle and you could walk around like the juggernaut in COD

with less dr of course

[quiet hearth]

No, full DR but you deal less damage

[turbid dome]

Good heavens

[waxen nymph]

Less MS Oo

[turbid dome]

Are you Quin @quiet hearth

[quiet hearth]

I am genuinely insulted

[turbid dome]

You just suggested the most Quin zdps thing ever

[quiet hearth]

See, my meme builds actually work is the thing, that and Im not a terrible human being

[turbid dome]

Quin’s a horrible person?

I only know him from the zdps meme

[quiet hearth]

I do not like him, and Imma leave it at that

[turbid dome]

Fair enough, I’m sorry for comparing you to a person that was worse than the meme version that I knew

[quiet hearth]

I was kidding, dont worry about it, about the insulted part not the not liking part

[turbid dome]

[turbid dome]

[fickle tulip]

The pain of keep failing T4 julra trying to slam Worldsplitter is real

[quiet hearth]

I dont even remember the last time I tried that boss

[turbid dome]

I like slamming random things to see what happens

Haven’t had any dungeon dc problems so idk if I’m lucky

[quiet hearth]

Im more of a deterministic kinda person.

[fickle tulip]

It's the one where If you volatile reversal at the wrong time, the space-time continuum gets fxked up and you end up in a random place on the boss arena, taking unavoidable dot damage and dies with nothing you can do🥲

[quiet hearth]

We call that poor design

[turbid dome]

Time magic, in a place covered in time magic does wacky stuff

My recommendation is waiting to vr until you have been in your current time for at least 4 seconds to avoid and time magic shenanigans

[cobalt blade]

Yesh.. happened to me

[fickle tulip]

If all else fails I'mma respec my marksman to trap and detonate arrow just for slamming lol, at least I can still shift through the closed gates

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Vlad would say.. skill issue

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, that bug is pretty annoying

[cobalt blade]

Vlad!

[turbid dome]

I consider it a feature given time magic fun times

[cobalt blade]

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/im-watching-stalking-lurking-watching-peek-gif-7914122

[turbid dome]

Me playing shield rush without a shield

Beans it didn’t loop

[quiet hearth]

I was just thinking that XD

[fickle tulip]

Exactly, I'm too bad so I need good gear, but I don't have good gears to beat the boss to slam good gear. Help me out here XD

[quiet hearth]

have you ever been told you need to play spellblade?

[fickle tulip]

I have a flamereave spellblade at 350 now actually

Flame Surge casting flame reave, actually quite fun

[quiet hearth]

an attempt was made

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

[brittle grove]

[chilly peak]

[midnight lichen]

hello there fellow sentinels...i need help i am currently running this build here https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner](https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olgnazJB)/ but i keep getting oneshot sometimes... iam currently trying to get ready for the harbingers but as the mobs keep getting stronger it seems that I in fact do not...any tips of how I can improve my defenses? and yes i know my resistances are not maxxed yet

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 84

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Forge Guard (57) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,657, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 149.86, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 68%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 21 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 97% / 114% / 66% / 64% / 102% / 111%
▸ EHP: 2,589 / 2,899 / 2,899 / 2,930 / 2,605 / 2,899 / 2,899

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 25%, Threshold: 332
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (939)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (20)
• Multistrike (21)
• Forge Strike (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Void Cleave (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Titan Heart
• Blood of the Exile
• Phantom Grip
• Arboreal Circuit
• Throne of Ambition

[quiet hearth]

You have low armor and no crit avoid/ reduced crit dmg

[midnight lichen]

is crit avoid realy that important?

[quiet hearth]

Yes, you have to have max crit avoid or reduced dmg taken from crits at higher monos

[midnight lichen]

ok thx i will try getting that up then

[quiet hearth]

Your base HP and armor are low too

[waxen nymph]

You dont need more Res to handle 300C, but you need more Armor, Hp, Endurance and Critigation

[quiet hearth]

critigation, Im stealing that

[waxen nymph]

Oh wait !

It was not intended but its indeed pretty nice ^^

Btw Vergil, why Peak of the Mountain ?? 👀

[quiet hearth]

using MS to proc FS, you spend a lot of time standing still

wait no, Im thinking the boots, yeah odd helm choice

[waxen nymph]

I think I know why

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-hurry-impatient-gif-22696825

[waxen nymph]

I believe they are abusing the Phantom Grip bug

[quiet hearth]

bug?

[waxen nymph]

Where instead of only your Gloves stats applying to your FW, you get stats from your whole gear

So now you Helmet gives 200% Increased Crit to your FW

[quiet hearth]

lel

[midnight lichen]

i didnt even know that was a thing lol

looked up a build and that man was rocking this combo now i know why ^^

[quiet hearth]

not the worst thing nemmy has given me

[turbid dome]

could def be worse

oh wait the endurance applies to mana hat

[quiet hearth]

was hoping for something a bit more exciting

[brittle grove]

it's 0.4% flat crit and only 34% max mana, trash rolls anyways

[quiet hearth]

'trash' xD

[brittle grove]

yes, trash
if the flat crit roll isnt 0.5% that world splitter is useless

[quiet hearth]

dear diary, TIL not perfect=trash

[brittle grove]

for the flat crit roll on that item? yeah actually is, the rest is debatable , but not the crit roll

[quiet hearth]

Not even close, I hate that mentality, oh no, it's not 100% better vendor it

[brittle grove]

it's just down to the insanity of that mod and how impactful it is for mana stacking

[quiet hearth]

oh no, ive lost 8% power on my item, whatever shall I do

[brittle grove]

more like 50% + but w/e floats your goat

[quiet hearth]

Floats your boat, the goats float themselves

[turbid dome]

isn't a boat suppose to be boyant by itself, which is somewhat vital to floating

[quiet hearth]

Maybe,but the goats definitely float better, or else they couldnt pull that chariot

[turbid dome]

true

[mortal rapids]

Do things like bleed duration get inherited?

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[twilit valley]

@brittle grove hey sorry to ask , are you 100% sure you can’t hit 100% crit without a .5 or melee crit chance on weapon .. some YouTube builds have shown to hit 100% with a .4 and no melee crit on weapon

Also I did your build and ended up changing it to seed of ekkidrasil and anchor of oblivion and getting way more damage now and doing 1000 corruption quickly

What’s the link to find a player build

This is my current build , still need some upgrades but doing 1000 corruption easily

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kikubear/character/wigsplitter

Also I wonder if a 2lp Null Portent would be better than a titan heart . You would get 20% less damage taken instead of 15 with titan heart . I’m still a noob but I want to try it out of if I ever find a 2lp

Btw still a noob and playing around , sorry for all the questions .

[gleaming pine]

its potentially better, but you have to consider you need 40 all resist above the resist cap to make use of it, which is quite a lot. probably wouldn't bother, but it gives one hander setups an option to have

[twilit valley]

You sure all res 40 more and not a combination of 40 from any res

Ahh maybe your right

[torpid shard]

i am 100% CR with a 0.4 weapon

requires a bit of overcommitment on crit chance % on gear / blessing, etc

but, better than not critting

[twilit valley]

Yeah he I think he was saying .4 is useless ? Cause you can’t teach 100

But I’m sure you can with what I’ve seen on other builds

[torpid shard]

definitely can, my character has no T7 crits and a 0.4 weapon and is still critcapped

[twilit valley]

You get from erasing strike mode and anomaly ?

[torpid shard]

outside of anomoly, and im not specced in crit vuln

[twilit valley]

Ok cool

So it’s possible with .4 just easier with .5

[torpid shard]

i should actually unspec the crit nodes in anomoly now

yeah absolutely

[twilit valley]

Yep

[quiet hearth]

yo

[gleaming pine]

not all .4s and .5s are created equal btw

[cobalt blade]

[gleaming pine]

you could get a .44 which rounds down to .4 and a .450 which rounds up to .5

you cant tell how good your .4 one is unless you look in lastepochtools though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xjW_sRvT6A

[cobalt blade]

Mine is 0.43 so rounded off to 0.4

But doesnt matter since its not working for warpath anyway

[gleaming pine]

yeah, so that's pretty good in terms of a .4

just goes to show a 0.4 isn't insta trash, and a 0.5 isn't insta good, they could be almost the same

[cobalt blade]

I think lopo meant to say its vital because they dont go t7 melee crit chance on weapon

And they spec their ES nodes to have very high mana cost, so the 0.1 difference can be huge to translate into crit chance?

[gleaming pine]

but it's not .1, it's possibly 0.01

the game will use the accurate decimal number for calculations, not the number that it rounded down or up to

[cobalt blade]

Heh then peepo may wish to check their LETools profile like you said

[gleaming pine]

yeah, aint no one got time for that though 😛

[hazy schooner]

is the consecrated ground stacking build fun to play?

[cobalt blade]

Is dot watpath viable?

Knowing that ailment only have 60% chance to apply

I am thinking wings guard cuz i really wanna play dot build next cycle

@alpine canopy you made a bleed warpath yea? How is it?

[torpid shard]

ya, my "0.4" is actually 0.39

[cobalt blade]

[torpid shard]

either way I think its only a difference of 40% increased crit chance required from gear/blessings from between 0.4 and 0.5 for ES

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's good. Mind you, it applies bleed from more than just warpath. It procs axes with vortex pennant and procs smite on melee and throwing hits with palarus and idols.

[alpine canopy]

I think they might have finally fixed this at some point to use the actual displayed values on affixes. But not 100% sure.

[cobalt blade]

Ayy, I will look into it. Normally, its either bleed or ignite right? Also, is aoe increase on warpath significant? Say from idol

[gleaming pine]

Curious now, that's an ask the devs type question

[cobalt blade]

I know mana regen do.. others not sure

[gleaming pine]

Last time I manually calculated my crit chance, only the accurate decimals gave me the right number to match the last epoch tools final number. Unless that's wrong too

[turbid dome]

I wish so much that we could see a skills crit chance in game somewhere

Not just having the calc done for us with the skills boost to base crit is annoying

[chilly peak]

This!

[torpid shard]

i desperately want a Path of Building 😦

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, bleed or ignite - I wanted to throw axes, so that synergized with bleed more and I went that way.
Area increases are okay, not like ground breaking or anything since warpath's base area is kinda small.

[cobalt blade]

Engi!

[cobalt blade]

Yas!

[cobalt blade]

Just looked thru LEtools, there is only like 1 node for bleed. So i guess i can invest skillpoints into aoe increase rather than from other sources. I am more inclined to go bleed too

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, iirc I largely put points into lowering channel cost and block

Outside of the obvious bleed and move speed nodes

[chilly peak]

I can't compare both, but I know that Warpath-throw-Smite with Palarus also works quite nice non-dot based.

Probably better for clear and worse for bosses I strongly assume

[cobalt blade]

Ahh block chance... non 2handed?

[cobalt blade]

So Wing Guards and Foot of the Mountain synergize well but not for warpath

[cobalt blade]

Oh pally have alot of fire support 🤔. Guess i should start looking at pally as a whole

[jolly fjord]

deym

[twilit valley]

Who you running away from

[tribal basin]

Sad that worldsplitter doesn't work with the area+ mana+ node in Warpath

[cobalt blade]

Yesh but i use it regardless

[tribal basin]

6 seconds are 420 mana and 600% increased area , imagine it would work

[cobalt blade]

Yesh, thought about it before 1.1 is released but also got confirmation it wont work back then

[tribal basin]

Yeah .. would've been also dope af with judgement if it would work

[twilit valley]

Feels good being able to to t4 Julra now in 5 seconds with worldsplitter

I used to beg someone to carry me !

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Engi!

[turbid dome]

Wicked!

[cobalt blade]

[alpine canopy]

Right, I use palarus and flayer's pride

because it's a great shield for bleed, and may as well do it - the alternative is dragonbone axe main hand and palarus offhand

[turbid dome]

[south ledge]

Damn that's right what I'm looking for

[turbid dome]

May the desire sensor bless you with a drop

And then give you 5 more of them once you finally get one because that’s how drops work

[south ledge]

😄

[cobalt blade]

the indirect Smite cast by Palarus scale with whatever you spec in Smite?

[chilly peak]

ye

[cobalt blade]

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, specializable skills always use their specs no matter how you cast them

[cobalt blade]

Forgot I did that with warcry and maelstorm last cycle :P

[quiet hearth]

Man what a roll

[turbid dome]

Forge guard gaming?

[quiet hearth]

Get another one of these and go full attunement stacking

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

the frailty isnt a bad thing either

[turbid dome]

Inflicting frail is a great bonus defensive layer

[quiet hearth]

it stacks like...3 times I think?

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[quiet hearth]

oh wow, that is 18% less

[turbid dome]

Something that gives increases frail effect would be strong

[quiet hearth]

is there even anything like that?

[turbid dome]

To my knowledge no

Maybe I just need to cram frail into every sentinel build

[tawny mauve]

Spell damage would be better.

[quiet hearth]

Not if I wanted to slap people

[turbid dome]

Heavily armored + frail + void ageis + overcap chest plate should be enough dr

[quiet hearth]

I think increased effect of frailty would be great for Sent honestly, gives him something no one else has

[turbid dome]

Just would have to be careful with how much of it you could stack up

[cobalt blade]

this from Taste of Blood... you would still want to invest in bleed duration yea?

[quiet hearth]

Yes, because more duration=more damage

[turbid dome]

Yes because it halves the bleed duration when you hit them

You don’t want the bleeds to only last like half a second

[cobalt blade]

Despite half, you still want to invest in it else bleed too short 🤔

[quiet hearth]

I used that for bleed FS, I had enough pen they died before their duration ran out xD

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, duration is even better on taste of blood, because it lets you actually use up more of that duration when clearing than you normally wouldd

[turbid dome]

It’s the same total damage, just faster so you would get a full 10 second bleed of damage in like 2 seconds

Vs a 4 second bleed in like 1 second

[cobalt blade]

I was wondering, isn't it the same in total dmg with or without that passive

[cobalt blade]

this is the answer

so the point is enemies bled out faster so you wont have to wait?

[turbid dome]

So if you hit them with a bleed for 10 seconds it does say 100 dmg over the full duration

With this if you hit them a second time it’s now 100 dmg over 5 seconds (roughly)

Yeah they bleed out faster

[alpine canopy]

Yep, basically gives you improved clear speed

[cobalt blade]

kill threshold never work on dot right?

or warpath hit still do the work?

[turbid dome]

Kill threshold normally says what it works with

[alpine canopy]

No sentinel kill thresholds work on DOTs (acolyte has some that do)

[turbid dome]

So a melee kill threshold would work with warpath’s hit but not the bleed

[cobalt blade]

I guess thats fine

[turbid dome]

Your gonna be hitting anything that needs the kill threshold constantly anyways to keep applying bleed

[cobalt blade]

Hmm... Taste of Blood looks really dayum but I cant use Battlemaster's Blade node

[turbid dome]

Battle master?

[turbid dome]

Ah

[cobalt blade]

If i am going DW, Undisputed and Taste of Blood seems decent

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

9% more damage taken ☠️

[turbid dome]

No salt the wound?

[cobalt blade]

either that or wing guards

[waxen nymph]

Vortex Pennant .

?

And you cant DW Axe btw

[tawny mauve]

Laughs in Smite + Healing Hands.

[turbid dome]

Oh true axe throw for more bleed

[quiet hearth]

9% more is nothing

[cobalt blade]

ouch i forgot... only did once DW last cycle and i forgot everything

[turbid dome]

Rainbow edge offhand for salt the wound pen

[quiet hearth]

Rainbow edge being used at all is wild

[turbid dome]

75% crit multi is great

37.5% physical pen from it when you don’t need to care about it’s lower base damage is even better

It’s also a reasonable chance for 3 or 4 lp

[alpine canopy]

Flayer's pride

It gives more than that in bleed pen already as well as bleed chance, plus it's a shield so you block instead of taking more damage

[turbid dome]

Fair, I forget that shields are a thing

[cobalt blade]

🫂 same, never my first choice but flayer's pride is looking really handsome

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

Seemingly the best choice and synergy if going DW, yea

Usually 2h is my first choice but that Taste of Blood passive is , can consider going with flayer's pride but Vortex Penant as relic will be wasted

dilemma dilemma...

[waxen nymph]

I mean you are just wasting 1 Line of it

[cobalt blade]

🥲

[quiet hearth]

behold my tripolar item

[alpine canopy]

I use vortex pennant on my sword + shield build, the biggest thing on it is the axe throwing

[turbid dome]

Ignoring the ignite that works great with ice flask

[quiet hearth]

I mean, the poison dmg does nothing for ice flask

[turbid dome]

🤷‍♂️

[quiet hearth]

could be worse, it could be WW that gave me t7 stun chance

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

Forge Strike DoT go BRRRR

[quiet hearth]

if only 20% pen from gloves wasnt more damage xD

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

For FS, does the stun chance thing just mean normal stun chance, or does that include melee stun too?

[turbid dome]

I’d assume all the stun that affects FS

[quiet hearth]

Im not 100% honestly, because it seems like one of those very specific things. Because two t5 stun affixes is a LOT of dmg

[cobalt blade]

This will affect dot damage dealt by Warpath yea? assuming i use 2h or DW

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

I read that Str do too.. Its nice that attribute affects dot but its weird at the same time

[waxen nymph]

Bleed applied by Warpath are still Warpath

[turbid dome]

Mr. Bleed D Warpath is not the same as Mr. Bleed D Rive

[cobalt blade]

It is like Warpath is just the medium to apply bleed. Getting strength means harder swing = bleed harder 🤔

Looking at Life's Journey, Face of the Mountain, and Bastion of Honour as contender to Flayer's Pride... That 13 int from Flayer me

[turbid dome]

[cobalt blade]

I mean yea, warriors have to be smart but cant resist having 0 int and just unga bunga

[quiet hearth]

Rive best boi

[cobalt blade]

[quiet hearth]

then dont finish the story because then you have 1

[waxen nymph]

Its because Bleed is also a Acolyte Dmg

[cobalt blade]

I knew someone's gonna say this

[quiet hearth]

it's so weird that the cold flask off hand doesnt convert stuff in the tree

[cursive rose]

What do you mean

It doesn't make Ice pools or whatever but it converts poison

[quiet hearth]

it does convert the pools funny enough, but like the poison shred ect, which is weird because other items DO do that

where's my consistancy EHG?! (just kidding love you guys)

[cursive rose]

Oh yea it was the shred that doesn't

[quiet hearth]

I know there is a sent skill that has that issue but Im blanking on which item does it

[cursive rose]

I mean the throw fg doesn't convert to void shred on throw if you convert shield throw to void either does it?

[cobalt blade]

First time going with a build using a shield, do you actually need hybrid block chance and effectiveness?

[quiet hearth]

You dont, but it helps

[cobalt blade]

👌🏻

[quiet hearth]

I just realized Im dumb....Ive been looking for a fire skill to use for the ruby fang set.....warpath...I could be using WARPATH

🤡

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

like, it has everything, fire tag, ignite chance, more block chance

[cobalt blade]

warpath

[quiet hearth]

I dont understand, how I can think up all these complex things, and then somehow be unable to read.

oh maybe SB with no cd?

[waxen nymph]

Too slow?

[quiet hearth]

WP doesnt trigger HH though, that is a bummer, and you can scale the AS with block chance

[turbid dome]

🔥

[waxen nymph]

Up to 50% no ?

[quiet hearth]

yeah

that would also let me use HH still

I somehow still have HH at lvl 24, despite having no pts in paladin

[quiet hearth]

So AS is NOT an issue, mana on the other hand

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget time and faith

[quiet hearth]

time and faith doesnt apply to shield bash

So I think it could work, but you'd have to invest in mana recovery because good grief

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget excessive mana regen

[quiet hearth]

I dont have the gear for it, so that will have to wait, but WP should work, though I do lose HH

I could toss ignite smite in there

[quiet hearth]

if you converted FS bleed to ignite, would it still inherit the penetration?

[turbid dome]

I don’t believe so, unless you have something that directly states it converts physical pen to fire pen

[quiet hearth]

yeh, pretty sure you're right but Ive been wrong enough to ask

[turbid dome]

True it could be a wacky hidden effect

[waxen nymph]

There is no fire conversion is FS tree right?

[quiet hearth]

sadly correct

wel Im not winning any dps awards but

[quiet hearth]

FS go brrr

ok now, surely we can ban this person

[turbid dome]

go get your 2by2 block effectiveness idols

[quiet hearth]

I dont have any

I think this might be better with an axe just so I can use VC

[quiet hearth]

I dont think melee stun chance is adding to FS dots

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

At least it doesnt feel like it is

[turbid dome]

thats not good

[signal cloak]

Do both the fire and void parts of eternal eclipse go off when you use erasing strike and have healing hands proc on melee hit and have it converted to melee?

[polar spire]

276% dot for fs? nice leveling weapon, mhm mhm

+the 141

FS is also just really safe to play since you're getting dot benefit and just overall stun chance

[polar spire]

it does not, melee stun doesnt count, only pure stun

which isnt really a problem

you can already get fs bleeds in the millions, if melee stun worked too, it'd get nerfed LMAO

[twilit valley]

Good morning all , if I post my hero would someone be kind enough to tell me my critical strike chance since I’m still a noob at this game and can’t work it out .

Then I can know how much to add if I’m short

I will appreciate it , also if you can explain the result if you have time , thanks

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kikubear/character/wigsplitter

[late sierra]

This seems real good for warpath. Any way to regain mana without the 2h node during it, though?

[gleaming pine]

what's your erasing strike mana cost?

[twilit valley]

On my weapon is .5 is that what you mean

Or on the skill is says 33 mana cost

[gleaming pine]

yeah, 33 thanks

(.47 * 33) + 5 + 9 = 29.51 base crit
37.54+45.33+43.19+80 = 206.06 additional crit
206.06 * 0.2951 = 60.80 + 29.51 = 90.31% total crit chance for erasing strike

[twilit valley]

So my world splitter only getting 16.5 crit chance with 33 mana cost I’m guessing . So however many crit I’m short I can use hastened cataclysm to add 15 mana cost and get more . So if I add 30 more mana cost from node I should get another 15% ? And I’ll be over 100 ?

Would that take me over 100 then if I add 2 points to hastened cataclysm to get another 15% . Also if there any point going over 100% of 100 is the cap

[gleaming pine]

if you can make erasing strike cost more, then change that 33 in that equation to whatever erasing strike costs and recalculate

[twilit valley]

Ok thanks for the information

Appreciate it heaps , I’ll do that now and recalculate

[quiet hearth]

Ive never once seen a FS in the millions

[twilit valley]

Ok I added 1 point into the node and mana cost is 49.5 now and i recalculated to 103.298 critical chance now .

Can you check if this is correct

[gleaming pine]

i got 114.05 with 49.5 mana cost

[twilit valley]

Also is there any point going over 100% . Or just stay at 100

[gleaming pine]

nah no point

[twilit valley]

Ok so I can lose some crit chance on items

[twilit valley]

Weird , did what you said and got 103

[gleaming pine]

also with the mana cost that high, does that impact running out of mana though? (i dunno, i haven't played erasing strike before)

[twilit valley]

Oh wait did it wrong , your right

[polar spire]

its the bleeds that do, not the fs itself

[twilit valley]

No it refills to 1/3 of your mana with void essence

[polar spire]

but the bleeds from the fs

[twilit valley]

Basically unlimited mana with 100% crit

[quiet hearth]

Well I knew that

[polar spire]

fs bleed is my all time fave build, capable of abyssal echoes bleed pops around 8-10 mill

[quiet hearth]

Ive never seen a build that reaches remotely that high

[polar spire]

judgement pre-nerf was 10x that

in fact, theres been many builds that have gotten higher than that

[twilit valley]

Yes your right 114 now , I’ll adjust later with items or node , better to stay over 100 until I find the right items

[gleaming pine]

this is my new calc

[polar spire]

you used to be able to get judgement crits up to 60-80 mill

[gleaming pine]

(.47 * 49.5) + 5 + 9 = 37.265 base crit
37.54+45.33+43.19+80 = 206.06 additional crit
206.06 * 0.37265 = 76.788259 + 37.265 = 114.05% total crit chance for erasing strike

[polar spire]

but since its been nerfed twice now, no idea how much anymore

i think judgement favors its aura side over its on hit side nowadays

[quiet hearth]

Shows that they really aren't sure how to scale things properly. Zero reason we should be hitting numbers like that

[twilit valley]

Btw how did you come up with the 206.06 , I understand the rest

[gleaming pine]

i manually added the additional crit chances from lastepochtools

[twilit valley]

Ok thanks

[gleaming pine]

you can mouseover the crit chance field and it gives you a break down

[twilit valley]

Ok ty

Amazing , know I know how to calculate crit chance - thanks will help my build heaps now

Thanks for teaching me

Couldn’t mouse over with iPhone so used computer

[gleaming pine]

np

[waxen nymph]

Don't forget you can now regen mana while Warpathing

[late sierra]

Wait, what

[late sierra]

Since when?

[waxen nymph]

Since 1.1

[late sierra]

They just removed the mana regen block on certain channels?

[waxen nymph]

Yes, but to balance it out they added 8 mana channel cost

To counter your natural mana regen

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, and even with all that channel cost added, it's still possible to reduce it to 0 if you need to (takes some investment of course)

[cobalt blade]

Is there a number for pally's increased dmg based on current health in his passive?

[late sierra]

Good to know! Thank you!

[cobalt blade]

Feels like going VK just to echo bleed/fire warpath is too big of a stretch and fire variant seems to get more overall support in skills/nodes. Bleed support is purely from uniques.

I think with the same bleed unique setup (Taste of Blood, Bleeding Heart, Blood of the Exile, Flayer's Pride, Thorn Slinger, Salt the Wound/Wing Guards), they are better on Primalist build except Vortex Pennant

[late sierra]

I'd hardly call it 'purely' from uniques.

PLD has that +120% bleed on hit chance as well as 49% phys pen with bleed. Not to mention the +75% chance to bleed on hit with axe from Forge Guard

[cobalt blade]

Yea thats fair

[late sierra]

Plus the bonus to area size as sentinel, that I don't think Primalist has. (for specific to this build advantages)\

[cobalt blade]

Overall, i think fire just gets more synergy

[alpine canopy]

Sentinel has insane bleed affixes on helm and body armor

[late sierra]

Fire might! I'm not an Ignite Warpath expert. I just always end up playing Bleed Warpath again

[alpine canopy]

like, way better than any other class has

[cobalt blade]

True, subject to idol and whether you DW/2H

[cobalt blade]

[late sierra]

As an example for the affixes

[cobalt blade]

Ahh these

[late sierra]

Yeah also thos

[cobalt blade]

Dayum... I guess I am not looking deep enough

[alpine canopy]

Absolutely wild affixes, and the hybrid one has extra synergy with vortex

[cobalt blade]

Sadly bleed have no syngergy with any sentinel class passive

[alpine canopy]

(plus, bleed just deals more damage baseline than ignite does)

[cobalt blade]

That is actually the main point i leaned on bleed

[alpine canopy]

Pally has some

[late sierra]

Pally's +phys damage includes bleed

[alpine canopy]

and FG

[cobalt blade]

Yea, I mean the class passive itself like vk vit scaling for more void dmg, pally on fire dmg based on current health, fg on armor %

[alpine canopy]

Pally's class passive is fire, lightning, and physical, so it applies to bleed

[cobalt blade]

Oh right physical

Hmm... me excited again

Thanks peepo

[late sierra]

Of course! And the new cycle really makes it easy to start the unique farm

[cobalt blade]

Alot to discover since I didnt do DOT build b4

[late sierra]

Want any tips/pointers?

[cobalt blade]

So far what is discussed here had helped alot in term of building

I do the planner for hours when i am really into it lol

[vestal ledge]

Hey everyone. How bad of a skill is Javelin to use as your main dps? I'm getting a hankering to start a lightning javelin paladin but it feels like this is going to be a bad idea

[magic panther]

It's not a bad skill, it just doesnt hold up as well as some of the others.

Its a fun route to go though. I havent heard anyone playing it this cycle, so with the changes, you never know it could be a sleeper hit.

Reminds me of Dark Souls, slinging Lightning Spears everywhere.

[twilit valley]

Massive bug in game - just had my armor disappear from my stash right infront of my eyes

And it was a +4 erasing strike from nemesis with T7 T6 T6 and 2 other mods

[turbid dome]

Reload the game

[twilit valley]

Think it will reappear ?

[turbid dome]

It should be a visual bug

[twilit valley]

Ok thanks I’ll try that now

It’s the best armor I’ve ever gotten

I hope it comes back - has erasing strike - mana - strength - health and increased health

I was going to try it on instead of my titan heart to see what performs better

Then boom it’s gone !!! Reloading game

[turbid dome]

Titan heart is probably better given you get 15% dr with it and a meaty hp roll

But then again levels to es is juice

[twilit valley]

Yeah I just want to test both on bosses at high corruption to see which is better

[turbid dome]

Legendary time

[twilit valley]

Oh my titan heart has +4 erasing strike also on it

[turbid dome]

🥵

[twilit valley]

Nope armor gone - same thing happened to my ring yesterday

This isn’t good -

[turbid dome]

Wtf

You checked where you last had it?

[twilit valley]

Ring was lp4 also

Someone stealing my items ?

[turbid dome]

I mean check the forge, check the merchant buyback page, double check your stash

[twilit valley]

Armor was here gone now

Checked forge

[turbid dome]

If it’s not anywhere fill out a bug report asap

Actually sanity check, hit sort in your inventory

[twilit valley]

I can’t believe it , yeah I’ll do that but kinda sucks to lose this armor . Will take last weeek of season to find similar

[twilit valley]

lol ok but I did a search on erasing and not there

[turbid dome]

[twilit valley]

I wanna cry

[turbid dome]

I don’t blame you

[twilit valley]

Oh man this really sucks -

[turbid dome]

I’d cry if my armor went away

[twilit valley]

+4 erasing and close to perfect roll - +11 str - 50 mana - forget health stat and 12% increased health - 420 armor with end and fire dmg I think

[turbid dome]

[twilit valley]

Good time to take my chow for a walk

Pretend I didn’t get it to start

When nemisis showed armor with +2 I said ok let’s see what it gives with 2 empowered

And wow it was nice — now gone haha

I should of duplicated it - had forge remaining forge potential

Didn’t think .. sad

[cobalt blade]

Only thing i can think of is that Ave mentioned if you put your item into forge and logout.. its gone

Not sure if that is your case

[cobalt blade]

[twilit valley]

I had it forge - then put back in stash and ported to town after nemesis and back in town went to try it on and it was gone

Anyway - lol only curiosity I have if it was going to make my build better - guess I won’t know unless I get a similar item with all the stats

[cobalt blade]

That nemesis is sus...

Sorry for your loss 🫂

[vestal ledge]

do you play any other characters? Might wanna check their stash, inventory, and even nemesis eggs

I had this weird issue where I was certain I had 2 bbcs but couldnt find any trace of where one of them was. After playing for like a week, I went back to an old char and ran around a mono. When I encountered the nemesis thing, I finally realized where the other bbc was

[cobalt blade]

Think it was an exalted, so wont be in egg

Just something prolly happened during the nemesis encounter

Like accidentally dragged the armor around the ui and inventory and dropped somewhere

🤷🏻‍♂️

Maybe accidentally put into stash when you interact with nemesis egg

[twilit valley]

Yes I have another 2 hero’s , I’ll check now

Nah it’s gone , weird cause I was staring at how nice it soo much forging potential. I’ve always wanted nemesis to give me a godly item .. anyway I’ll keep trying for another

[chilly peak]

🫂

[cobalt blade]

Is Holy Aura just free stats?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

Also Fire Burst

[cobalt blade]

So the double stat applies to all the nodes you spec?

[turbid dome]

Yea

[cobalt blade]

hmm 4 secs and no way to increase the duration it seems

do peepo just resolve to autocast?

getting time rifts and harbinger of dust in VR is really skill points taxing

[turbid dome]

I normally used it for pure dmg and activated it for a big rare

[cobalt blade]

Also... Engi! Vlad! 👋

[flat linden]

Does echoes use mana? or is that only erasing strike echoes from time loop?

[waxen nymph]

Echoes from your passives are free, the ones from Timeloop aren't

[flat linden]

Thank you!

[cobalt blade]

uhh.. how does this work

[alpine canopy]

Every time you block, you get a 4s buff that gives +75 armor, can't get more than 10 stacks of the buff (+750 armor)

[cobalt blade]

120 armor per stack at 8/8.. thats 1200 armor.. thats insane

but i guess its less useful against boss

[mortal cobalt]

also is going to be necessarily a little inconsistent depending on your block chance

and unless there's a bunch of little dudes running around won't do much to protect you against one-shots

[cobalt blade]

fair point

[cobalt blade]

yea, thats what I thought would happen against boss

also ranged mob like Sacred Bloom, Lightning elemental, and spires

but in mono, should be quite reliable to get high stack if block chance is high enough

[mortal cobalt]

sure it's probably fine in mono, i just don't value it super high just because like. if i'm not worried about getting hit 10 times in 4 seconds in the first place to get the stacks then it's not super useful in the first place. it's always felt a little bit of a 'win more' passive for me, where it helps in a situation where i already didnt' need much help, but i could be out of my mind, i don't push high corr on sentinel much

[cobalt blade]

I see your point

[turbid dome]

Also if your building a lot of armor already, inconsistent 1k armor doesn’t add much dr

[cobalt blade]

Engi.. in what occasion will you spec into Rebuke?

[turbid dome]

When I don’t want to die to Lagon while grinding that harbirnger

[cobalt blade]

oh gosh

[turbid dome]

80% dr + 60% dr should make Lagon never kill you

[cobalt blade]

you channel till the tidal waves stop?

[turbid dome]

Nah just face tank his big insta kill attacks

The tidal waves should be easy to out leech

And the sweep beam, just rebuke through it

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

It’s fun watching his big circle insta kill only do like 1k dmg

The moon blast attack

[cobalt blade]

can you rebuke soul bomb from emperor of corpse?

[turbid dome]

You can rebuke anything, tho that’s only gonna be 80% dr since it’s necrotic dmg

Not 80% dr + 60% dr

Granted you’ll still have boosted armor during rebuke so that helps

[cobalt blade]

Rebuke poison nemesis in his pool after he dies

[turbid dome]

It works, especially if you have the healing nodes in rebuke

And like 120% poison res

[cobalt blade]

[turbid dome]

Why you

[cobalt blade]

laughs at Rotsteel nemesis

jk

[turbid dome]

I love overcapping poison res