🔱┃sentinel

[quiet hearth]

Are bees and the crab the only non class summons we get?

[cursive rose]

having like 130 of them out with the new boots and you can just make walls

pack a corridor with bees

[quiet hearth]

what boots?

[cursive rose]

Stealth

gives smoke bomb boost and minions taunt priority over you

[quiet hearth]

Oh I thought you were saying there were boots that gave more bees

[cursive rose]

no they just make them target the bees more

tons of ice minion bees is like a nontraditional defensive layer that works out cool

[warped helm]

no way they finally reduced lightmages range after all this time, did not see that coming

[quiet hearth]

I dont think they did? if they did it was like 1 pixel

[warped helm]

Osprix Lightmage
Holy Meteor attack range reduced by 60%.

[quiet hearth]

and it's still off screening

[warped helm]

yeah and nothing about the other overtuned range monsters (range wise)

[cursive rose]

Yep it dont work

👍 no double convertys

[quiet hearth]

I dont mind the range so much as the damage and how often they can spam it

like anything that can hurt me through rebuke that isnt a boss is just wrong

[warped helm]

yeah offscreen range plus too much damage is a silly combination

[quiet hearth]

Random chicken wielding the finger of god itself

[turbid dome]

Me seeing my health bar move when an elemental attack hits me through 80 dr and 60% dr

[pallid roost]

Yes, it’s an issue with the design and I would like to see it fixed, this is my way of bringing attention to it

[winter copper]

one day praige

[pallid roost]

Also yes, there are many bugs present such as neverlate passive in the Runemaster tree not functioning as intended and just applying permanently.

[winter copper]

ngl they really need to do smth with arena, mike already said several times that arena and arena echo changes are long due but i dont believe we will see any any time soon

[turbid dome]

Give arena echos a mega explosion of loot at the end

[pallid roost]

Separate from that, it was not a bug with ungodly amounts of ward, what used to be 40-50k or even millions, I can’t really get past 10k in my highest bursts

[quiet hearth]

I mean, end game changes take time, and I would rather see masteries and skills get an overhaul before monos

[winter copper]

they need to give that to arena of champions, and leave endless arena without too much rewards, but still add some, for example one random mono reward every 15 waves would be nice

[sterile latch]

Putting nemesis in arena would be a good start (after u clear it at the rate of avg mono rate)

[turbid dome]

I won’t lie I did arena once like 2-3 years ago and haven’t touched it since

[pallid roost]

I am working on a sentinel planner now but I don’t know anywhere near as much about it.

What are some good ways to make ward without using current hp ward conversion??

I noticed that the weaver boots now have a 1 sec cd. I was relying on that before the change to support my ward gen.

Any other good ideas?

[sterile latch]

God those stupid ember chicken mages end more of my runs than everything else combined with meteors

[turbid dome]

Wall of nothing with a bunch of endurance threshold?

[sterile latch]

I'm testing twisted heart + healing hands. It doesn't say healing hands converts to fire but that's what happens with one of the oldest classes I guess

[quiet hearth]

Lagon, the god of storms eyeballs you. I lived dude, random angry chicken. smolders as a full round action

[pallid roost]

I’m wanting to get ward on hit/crit w warpath

[turbid dome]

Angry chicken wants revenge on you eating kfc

[sterile latch]

Fully automatic meteor cannons

[quiet hearth]

I worked at KFC, there would be many vengeance

[winter copper]

well the best way is stack 7k+ hp and use twisted heart but the only good build that can do is electify HH/smite which lacks damage,

low life affix HH still works and can get 7k ward, ethical ward nodes(synthesis of light) are still bugged and dont do anything, unless they stealth fixed them recently.

But overall ward is just worse than stacking 7-8k hp imo

[sterile latch]

Gl dunno how tbh

[pallid roost]

Hmmm, cool class the reverse time ability vks have where u backtrack is so cool. I’ll think about it some more.

Looking at soulgsmblers fallacy and those wars on crit rings

[winter copper]

time reversal is op on arena

[winter copper]

do u know how exactly soulfire fallacy works? do we need to stack 200% crit chance to cap with it?

[pallid roost]

Yes

[winter copper]

hmm ye that would be really hard on sent

[pallid roost]

I used it in the beta on my sorc

[winter copper]

some smite dw setup can reach that but besides that i doubt

[pallid roost]

I’m think dualwield warpath with the divine bolts to get a lot of triggers

They look like they got no internal cd on the bolts

Maybe it’s not possible, I’m drawing it up right now tho.

The new ward formula is so damn well implemented

No matter wat I did I couldn’t reach trivializing amounts

[winter copper]

ngl for arena u would be better scrapping ward and going 1h+shield 100% block chance imo, thats really strong build with firestarter torch+devotion amulet dps is pretty big

[pallid roost]

It is 100-% block chance dual wield

It has to satisfy most of these things on paper before I would even consider trying to live in the arena past 1000 waves u kno

[winter copper]

wait 100% block and dw? 🧐

[pallid roost]

Yes

[pale rivet]

the shield bash sfx change it's pretty dope tbh

[mighty cedar]

I think shield throws utility is often overlooked for its dmg (and then compared to other dps it falls hard) but, giving x armor bounce, giving x health on bounce, stealing x armor on bounce

[sterile latch]

I been playing elden ring so blocking without a shield is legit but 100% might be hard

Friends got me into it but I'm loyal to last epoch I swear

[quiet hearth]

this cycle has been fun, but I have to go complain about another arpg for awhile

[turbid dome]

Poe?

[quiet hearth]

Ye, well, when Im not at work at least, LE is slow and chill enough I can play it at work

[pallid roost]

The idea is to max it wherever possible with still dual wielding bc I need to use specific weapons to scale the dmg how I want it. Maybe not 100% but it’s gonna end up pretty high

[mighty cedar]

Oh that’s okay senpai’s we just gona roll past my constructive talk about shield throw I see how it is

[olive saffron]

game trying to make me bonk before PoE

[turbid dome]

Why use shield throw for that when I can use sigils + healing hands + anomaly

[mighty cedar]

I feel like there is a meme here “look what they have to do to achiev a fraction of my power”

[wise rune]

How bad is smelters wrath

I saw a clip of someone oneshotting t4 julra with it but the clear seems insanely bad

[turbid dome]

That only works if shield throw gives more stuff than those three

[winter latch]

Is this talent working? I don't see stacks appear nor do I see the fire explosions happen

[wise rune]

Stacks don't show up but it works

[turbid dome]

Stealing armor is good, but I’d rather get some increased armor shred effect and just shred their armor. Sentinel doesn’t struggle with getting a lot of armor so the steal part (while cool) isn’t terribly useful

[winter latch]

Ah, that's a tad annoying but at least it works

[mighty cedar]

Isn’t steak akin to shred?

[turbid dome]

It steals 20 50 armor

Steal is similar but I’d rather inflict like 30+ stacks of armor shred (-100 armor each) and have a decent amount of increased armor shred effect so their armor just goes super down

[pallid roost]

@winter copper ok warpath used to count as direct attack crits for the purpose of reens ire, it doesn’t seem to anymore, so back to the drawing board.

At one point I was having 150+ stacks of 5% crit multi

[winter copper]

yep they gutted reen

in 1,1

[turbid dome]

Rip reen

[quiet hearth]

They should have just made it a chance to gain a stack and it would have been fine

[mighty cedar]

but why can't you do both? and you are subtracting from single target 100 armor per attack (2 hits)

[turbid dome]

you can do both, that was comparing the steal effect vs the armor shred effect

[mighty cedar]

No I understand what you mean, im asking why can't you also just have 30+ armor shred stacks in my example? shield throw is capabale of that

on top of stealing. (I am not sayingyou are wronmg by any means btw)

[cursive rose]

is spreading flames effecting by normal damage things

and is it applied via firestarter with the skill or just the weapon

[mighty cedar]

Stealing armor is exclusive to shjield throw in the whole game

[cursive rose]

like if I take bellows on forge strike that converts stun to damage over time

[turbid dome]

because I was comparing both effects in isolation under the thought is it worth going 1 hander + shield on a non throwing focus build for this effect. Having armor shred on both was suppose to be a given

I dont think its worth it to lock your build into weapon + shield and a skill specialization for -50 armor, a defense boost (your own armor) and some healing when armor shred covers the first, sentinel doesn't struggle with high armor in the first place and healing hands exists.

If your already speced into throwing and not using shield throw for damage 100% go for it as a more supportive skill

[mighty cedar]

all very good points, more of a is the juice worth the squeeze type dealyea?

[turbid dome]

yeah. if it scaled with the armor shred effect affix I'd be a lot more inclined to include it on a not throwing build

[mighty cedar]

i am in full agreeance that its isolated to throwing builds

[turbid dome]

I am also probably a bit baised due to enjoying 2 handed melee more than one handed melee

[mighty cedar]

you can use shield throw with a 2h you dont have to have a shield

ironicaly

[turbid dome]

I know but I dont have the skill slots for it

[mighty cedar]

oh haha yea, my other question would be mathamtically, what is the impact of say... -100 armor and if shred vs stealing armor is the same mathamtically

[turbid dome]

most enemies have 0 armor, so shred or yoinking their armor just puts them negative instantly

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

on trunklab set it to shred to look at the damage bonus for it

armor yoinking is half of it per stack so I guess cut the ratio in half? thats probably not how armor worths

[mighty cedar]

i shall ask the devs then

also this makes echo's very scary whoever, can an echo steal armor? surely it wont work like that

[turbid dome]

an echo counts as you, so I think yes

only thing an echo can't do is echo

[mighty cedar]

that even more steal then hahaha

[alpine canopy]

The only real benefit of stealing armor is you get extra armor from it, its value is really low compared to armor shred which you can stack up to the point of serious diminishing returns pretty easily

[mighty cedar]

I jsut want shield throw to be better T.T

[turbid dome]

facts

[winter copper]

we all want it, except ehg team 😏

[turbid dome]

I want sentinel to have better defensive layer options

[mighty cedar]

honestly either 2 changed would make it isntnatly viable, remove the "you are not considered an ally for bounces" or remove the bounces are cut in hald

[winter copper]

well at least melee was super buffed now since you can kill 10x more shades and get all those maws/chains/rings

for builds that used those

[alpine canopy]

I imagine the super close shades have abysmal drop rates

[sterile latch]

You have more faith in the devs than I do

[mighty cedar]

god these just droped... and the ghame is telling me to use shiedl throw for damage haah

Wait sealed affixes can be t6!?

[olive saffron]

yes, nemesis can give t6/7 sealed affixes

[sterile latch]

I'm gonna kick aberroth's ass now that it's easy to get to him

dang abby can throw hands

[tardy mirage]

TIL negative channeling costs removes the innability to regen mana while channeling

[turbid dome]

You can regen mana while channeling by default now

[tardy mirage]

well im using warpath and with -10 i cant

but -12 i can

the channel cost is 10

[turbid dome]

Warpath costs 18 per second

You regen 8 per second base stats

[tardy mirage]

OH

im dum did not see that

[turbid dome]

They changed it, last cycle you couldn’t regen mana while channeling, now you can but they cost more at a base line

[tardy mirage]

ye ic

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

xD

[mighty cedar]

oh wow..... that rolled very well

[tardy mirage]

lol

[shrewd river]

Hi folks, I've just tryind shield rush build from maxroll, and feels like completely bugged talent which should teleport character back to rush start point. Instead character is stack in place in movement animation and unable to move. Is this only me or it is common problem?

[winter copper]

it gets stuck only if you mash your button too fast

dont click like crazy and it wont get stuck

[shrewd river]

Yeah, but that's kinda the whole point of the build - to spam the skill for max dot application.

[winter copper]

you can spam it with interval of 0.24 sec without being stuck, which is enough, but ye its a bugged skill

[shrewd river]

Oh, well, that's weird frequency, lol.
It feels pretty sad to level the character only to discover that hammer build is bugged due to mana cost talent and rush build is also bugged.
Bash build is so boring to play =\

[winter copper]

hammers are fixed with todays patch allegedly

i played shield rsuh to 800 cor, killed abberoth without any issues

the abby fight was annoying sometimes tho

[gleaming pine]

what was fixed/wrong with it?

[shrewd river]

In my case talent which allows to cast hammer mana cost free was not working with negative mana.

[twilit valley]

How they fix

[alpine canopy]

Apparently all the "free when out of mana" effects were bugged, including hammer throw's. Should all be fixed now though.

[unborn cypress]

Around how much HP should I have at 300 corruption?

[twilit valley]

What build - more the better

[unborn cypress]

Forge Guardian Smelters Wrath

[twilit valley]

Ahh no idea but 2-3k I’m guessing for 300 corruption

[unborn cypress]

Ok that might explain it as I have 1.9

Trying to figure out why I'm getting slaughtered by nemesis's with max resists, 80% armor, crit avoidance, 190 health regen, and dot mitigation

[mighty cedar]

never seen this wand beforfe but it looks dope

[twilit valley]

How can you check if bastion of honor block chance is working with strength during. Fight . When I try to look doesn’t show it going up . Want to calculate my blood k chance with my strength during a fight

[winter copper]

umm you just need to add 2 numbers: str and block chance from your char sheet

[twilit valley]

Yeah I just want to see it’s click chance in game ?

Doesn’t it show the scaling in game during a fight ?

[winter copper]

no u cant see it in game

[mighty cedar]

lol are these good?

[twilit valley]

Ok that kinda sucks but it works if 70 str that’s 70% block chance if enemy within 4 metre

[winter copper]

i dont mean sounds rude, but its literally adding 2 numbers to know the result 😅 even a kid can do that

[twilit valley]

Yeah I know .. I’m a crypto millionaire so I know numbers . But I’m just asking if it definitely works and not glitched in game

[winter copper]

you take your base block chance that is displayed on your character sheet and then add your strength to it

it works

[twilit valley]

Oh bro yeah I got ya - need to know if works thanks for info on adding str and base

[winter copper]

yes

[twilit valley]

Cheers

Also don’t worry nothing offends me ..

I’m noob at this game .. even after 1500 hrs

[winter copper]

it was displaying before, but it wass causing bugs and make skills do more damage, so they fixed it

[twilit valley]

Ok cool .. just needed to know if works in game without bugs cause I want to use it

Just weird seeing base around 36% but blocking most things

[twilit valley]

Just had a wall of nothing drop .. any good ?

Going to try it - looks nice

Looked it up - low drop rate

[pallid roost]

Volatile reversal interrupts channeling for a split second right ?

No known way around it is there ?

[turbid dome]

I believe so

[alpine canopy]

It shouldn't, it's instant

[turbid dome]

darn I'm incorrect

[winged pulsar]

It does. I’ve volatile reversaled while warpath and was stunned

Might just be a warpath thing tho. Idk

[pearl warren]

hey guys, bear with me, brand new player here. level 58, been pretty much cruising through the game so far, only died here and there to random stuff because of not dodging stuff due to rubberbanding and skill issuing. i didnt really struggle with any enemies or bosses until i got to the last one before you start the echoes, died to that one maybe 5-10 times. now im on my 4th echo and getting killed almost immediately just from the number of enemies. now that i cant rely on avoiding damage by just dodging, i want to tweak my build. is it okay if i post a link to my build on last epoch tools, and some people can tell me how i can easily tweak it to survive better?

[pallid roost]

I found couple big potential sentinel bugs tho so far

[pearl warren]

playing a hammer throw VK

[cedar rune]

Vk doesn't have as much throw support as pal and fg iirc

[worthy rampart]

Anyone notice Manifest Armor is casting forgebreathe at maximum/out of distance from enemies?

[pearl warren]

kinda too late for me to change, plus i really like the VK hammer throw playstyle, the time warping stuff is real fun, and i just love how hammer throw looks and feels

im not looking to be on the leaderboard or anything i just want to get as far as i can

[cedar rune]

Hmm, echo stuff usually goes with rive, not unsalvageable but you may need better gear, what is your movement skill?

[pearl warren]

im not using one, should i be? i can probably ditch javelin toss for shield bash or something but then i wouldnt have a good way to proc smite on a bunch of enemies at once

[cedar rune]

I tried javelin vk for a while before bailing out so I know that feel

[pearl warren]

right now damage isnt really my issue, its survivability

but i imagine i might run into damage issues soon

[cedar rune]

Traversal skill is useful for getting out of sticky situations. Recommend shield charge over lunge

[pearl warren]

yeah i tried both and definitely preferred shield charge

[cedar rune]

Lunge works when you get paranoia, may misremember or spell l, nit at my PC for le tools

[pearl warren]

its just heavy on the mana at first so i didnt fully spec into it, plus i wasnt sure if every good build needed a traversal skill

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWPJ60LB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 58

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (47) / Forge Guard (1) / Paladin (1)

General:

▸ Health: 750, Regen: 15.43/s
▸ Mana: 175.93, Regen: 9.19/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 1 Dex / 13 Int / 3 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 53% / 48% / 29% / 26% / 31% / 37% / 22%
▸ EHP: 1,036 / 1,012 / 859 / 921 / 885 / 918 / 816

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 27%, Threshold: 150
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (42)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (559)
▸ Block Chance: 23%, Mitigation: 40% (857)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Hammer Throw (21)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Javelin (21)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• The Kestrel
• Cradle of the Erased
• Advent of the Erased
• Font of the Erased
• Bleeding Heart

[pearl warren]

heres what i currently have

i was thinking i should probably max resists first and foremost

[tribal basin]

Yo Casey , How are you doing bud

[pearl warren]

oh hey lak

[pallid roost]

Would overriding soliloquy to get more than 1 max sigil with 75 fire/void res scale any other sentinel abilities or stats ?

[austere frost]

@pearl warren you just need to adjust your passives and you will be ok ,some are over the place on not so Great places.

[pearl warren]

should i just go to the forge to do that? i dont know much about crafting yet, got through most of the game only crafting a few times

[austere frost]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bj7Wq7vo I would personally go for something like this which you can adjust later on to your liking of course

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 58

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (72) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,275, Regen: 17.36/s
▸ Mana: 175.93, Regen: 8.87/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 1 Dex / 13 Int / 8 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 63% / 44% / 50% / 63% / 53% / 38%
▸ EHP: 2,674 / 2,387 / 1,978 / 2,336 / 2,376 / 2,188 / 1,883

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 255
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (42)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (775)
▸ Block Chance: 26%, Mitigation: 43% (978)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Hammer Throw (21)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Javelin (21)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• The Kestrel
• Cradle of the Erased
• Advent of the Erased
• Font of the Erased
• Bleeding Heart

[noble zenith]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZqr7kPQ how can i improve my effective health pool , i'm just at 6500 some people have 10k+ wtf

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (17) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (57)

General:

▸ Health: 2,589, Regen: 22.16/s
▸ Mana: 135.83, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 88 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 3 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 142% / 116% / 176% / 125% / 90% / 98% / 78%
▸ EHP: 6,482 / 6,482 / 6,482 / 12,205 / 6,482 / 6,482 / 6,482

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 518
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (12)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,066)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Warpath (23)
• Smite (23)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Sunwreath
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Bleeding Heart
• Vortex Pennant
• Throne of Ambition

[cedar rune]

I'd say sacrifice one of your active skills to spec Shield Charge in for the time being until you get better survivability gear, remove SHield Charge once you're comfortable with your survivability. My last VK had Abyssal Echoes cast on Void Cleave so that freed up a slot for an unspecialized Lunge/Shield Charge

In my experience Reversal gets a bit janky as an escape tool
Edit: Kestrel felt very greedy to use on my Throwing Rogue getting clipped usually meant death. Recommend weighing pros and cons of having +1 to dex skills vs a good purple if you're using Kest for just the +1 skill level

[uneven junco]

hello i have decided to switch over to sentinel, I just wanted to ask what solo people use more? paladin or Void knight?

[cedar rune]

Pal is very popular regardless of solo or coop

[arctic basin]

bleed hammerdin is a lot of fun with really good surv

[uneven junco]

ohh i see, whos the more aoe based one tho? i kinda like going around collecting enemies and killing them with one button press

[cedar rune]

Go with which looks more appealing, you like grape juice and funny time shenanigans or "i buff myself and slap/throw things"

[arctic basin]

VK probably has more play styles to fit that

[uneven junco]

hmm thats the thing, kinda weird analogy but i was a sol/void titan when i played d2 and they both look appealing, eh ig it wouldnt hurt to have 2 accounts lol

[cedar rune]

Both have AOE, VK has Void Cleave, Erasing Strike, same access to Sent AOE Lunge and Shield Charge, Paladin has whatsaitconsecrate but leans more on Sent stuff for AOE(hammers, Jav)

[uneven junco]

ahh i see. paladin has gold lightning right?

[arctic basin]

Smite yeah

[cedar rune]

Smite? Sent has that so VK can also use Smite

[arctic basin]

with idols you can cast a ton of them when throwing hammers

[uneven junco]

ohhhh is the hammerdin more like 1 hammer throw or spam throw?

[cedar rune]

Paladin has more innate bonuses, VK can convert it to void iirc but has Abyssal Echoes as a sort of alternative

[arctic basin]

spam, I run around with dozens circling me procing bleeds and throwing smites.

[cedar rune]

Hammers can orbit, chain, go back and forth, spam
Most will go with orbit/spiral

[uneven junco]

ahh, when i tried out the 3 orbs with pal a while ago i auto attacked, is that a normal thing?

[cedar rune]

ah Vengeance, that's different it auto-counters on parry

[uneven junco]

ah no not vengeance, sigils of hope

[arctic basin]

its a good support skill, but you'll want a main attack

[cedar rune]

Sigils yeah that has some autocast

[arctic basin]

jav can pump too once you get positioning down

[uneven junco]

ohhh i see, ig ill try paladin and vk if i dont like it, whats 1 hr to a lifetime of pain. Thanks!

[uneven junco]

one last question, the paladin has the whole press button walk around and enemies die shtick with is hammers right?

[tribal basin]

Even without Hammers as an Aura , thats Judgement

[uneven junco]

ahh i see thanks!

[wooden adder]

i have lvl 71 forge guard warpath forged weapons build it's extremely boring to play i would like to respec it to something else is there any somewhat decent builds? not shield bash have one already ty

[pearl warren]

how does VK convert hammer to void?

[tired jackal]

I think idol

[night lintel]

Fire warpath converts bleed to ignite chance, does that include bleed chance from weapons or just bleed chance from the passive tree?

[worthy rampart]

says from all sources, so everything via warpath can't bleed/will only ignite.

[unkempt linden]

Did they make forge guard good yet? xD

[light magnet]

forge guard seems decent enuf now

[haughty canopy]

hmm shield bash build... pally or fg

[noble zenith]

bleed chance from everything i guess, btw wich version of the warpath build you are playing ? i suggest you to play warpath smite with smite proc on throw, its insane and for me, the best version

[grim fog]

Well lucky me 2% off to a perfect roll

[mighty cedar]

Grats

[turbid dome]

Nice idol

[arctic basin]

my dang smite chance idols are all rolling like crap

[turbid dome]

Just keep farming them, luck will be on your side eventually

I hope

[brittle grove]

@turbid dome how does 561% crit multi on ES sound to you 👀 ?

[turbid dome]

Like a lot of crit multi

[brittle grove]

i dont know if i'm crit capped (too lazy to calculate) but should be, ES tooltip dps is at 210k currently 👀

[turbid dome]

👀

[tribal basin]

They are always 1 or 2% off , i trashed a lot of them ...

[tribal basin]

i think the tooltip also calcualtes it with Timerot and Doom in it and also how many times you can cast it per second

[vast elm]

FG minion build is legit 👌 the weapons are a lot stronger and manifest armour is a beast now, his whirlwind is amazing when you really build into it, and the new minion ring just makes the forged weapons so good

[vast elm]

Some tooltips are weird where they will calculate the dot dps as well, and some won’t, but I believe ES does

[tribal basin]

Yes , because the Rings are bugged 👍

[vast elm]

Ahh ok what’s the bug with them? Just so I can adjust my build, I don’t like using bugs. Even without them the manifest armour is a beast haha

[tribal basin]

Well you would have to play a complete other build or dont use the Phantomgrasps at all since they get All the stats from all your equip slots and not just the Gloves .

[sterile latch]

I beat Abby with the bugged rings

The weapons are so tanky

[tribal basin]

i still need to do more tests since i believe Manifest Armor can also be the cause of the Bug since it has " Transfer Stats to Minion " by itself

[vast elm]

Ahhh yep, makes a lottt of sense now haha

[tribal basin]

Copy pasted Code

[vast elm]

Manifest armour gets body, gloves, boots and helm by default correct? And then you can boost them and also give it your weapon and shield

Or does it get your amulets and belt and stuff?

[sterile latch]

Copy pasted from julra's gloves

[tribal basin]

Mhmm , and if the code was just copy pasted to the Phantomgrasp ring then it makes much sense and we might have to kick butt for programmers being lazy ... again

[sterile latch]

Abby keel https://youtu.be/QGqkYKNCuhs?feature=shared

[vast elm]

The code having a random % range might require it to be different, whereas julra and manifest armour get set numbers

[sterile latch]

I don't mind copy pasting but maybe understand what's being copy pasted. Also the bug made fg fun

[tribal basin]

Yeah , and if you get Julras gloves with 2 or 3 LP and got some sick nasty slams on them it can go wild

[vast elm]

But yeah I get what you’re saying, I haven’t played my FG for a week or so but it makes sense, he was far stronger than he should have been

The ring + Julras just stacks the effects x4 if you have 2 100% rings right?

[tribal basin]

maybe even x8

[vast elm]

Nah you’d need another x2 multi after that

[sterile latch]

D4 changed minions to scale off 100% of your stats ( not 200%) and it made necro maybe 4th place after some holy bolts potion bugfix/nerfs

[vast elm]

But yeah I get what you’re saying. Defs needs some work. Working on my lightning wolf BM anyway, got a 4LP howl of the west wind im desperate to slam lol

[sterile latch]

Feel like the gloves would just be x3 but who knows

[wise rune]

still 1 empower left this is pretty nice

[sterile latch]

And lp2 julras gloves are about the rarest thing known to man. Unicorn blood has a higher drop rate than 1/562

[tribal basin]

But you know what the sad thing is ? Even with the Bug , they are simply just "Average" when you compare them to the siliiness of stuff like Bleed Falconer or Mana Stacker Sorc

[vast elm]

Yea I haven’t touched sorc or falc yet haha

Not this cycle anyway. I’ll get through them all eventually

[sterile latch]

Hard to say just how average they are considering none of the people writing build guides know about the bug. Maxroll doesn't even have a guide for forged weapons, only considers them good for leveling

[vast elm]

I was tempted to make a guide with him once I slammed my Logi’s but I’m not gonna make a build based around a big bug like that so I gotta change him up a bit haha

[tribal basin]

Warpath Void Version with a Dreamthorn and Darkstrides are better for leveling imo

[sterile latch]

Guides are missing about 3x the tankiness on the weapons, tons on self, and about 200% crit dmg, overcapped by about 100% crit chance

[tribal basin]

Crit chance because 50 Str+

[sterile latch]

And not focused on the right affixes on the right slots, half their passive don't work on the weapons

[tribal basin]

whoever made that craproll guide needs to be spanked

[sterile latch]

The closest guide I saw to good on last epoch tools ran an exalted weapon with flat/flat/minion flat/minion flat since it at least had 2 rings (many don't) and wasn't overcapped on crit. No one just bothered to ask "huh why am I always critting at level 60?"

[tribal basin]

Double Flat Minion is doing more than some %damages , Crit is more constant damage but has lower Min and Max Damage

[sterile latch]

You just can't get flat anywhere else whereas the crit multi from am/relic/uniques is doubled

[tribal basin]

Im working on a Spreadsheet to see what combinations are the actual most useful ones damage wise

[tribal basin]

yes the crit multi is doubled because of the stated reasons

The Bug

[sterile latch]

And you shouldn't ever target minion dmg if u know about the bug

Since melee dmg gets doubled

[tribal basin]

as well as Fire damage once you took the node in FS

[sterile latch]

Nah they'll still inherit other dmg from passive or your weapon and I think the minions stay physical dmg but can't be sure

[tribal basin]

And thats why im doing the Spreadsheet , so we all have the Data tested in an empirical manner

[winter latch]

What's a good Manifest Armour orientated build? What are the stats I should look out for
And what uniques should I use

[mighty cedar]

I wonder if buzz saw shield throw MA got a buff

[sterile latch]

I started a spreadsheet on my YouTube video of the bug. Don't think anyone requested access

[pearl wedge]

Hey Why my shield bash is not attacking faster with melee attack speed ?

[jaunty helm]

tried killin Abby with Shield Bash FG last night and it wasn't hard but I gave up after about 20 minutes of low dps lolol

[tribal basin]

Shbong , Shbong , Shbong

[winter copper]

because you forgot to read the line in tooltip that states "does not scale with the attack speed"

[tribal basin]

As far as i can tell , Abby has around 30 Mil HP

[jaunty helm]

yeah, unfortunately gonna reroll back to forged weapons

[jaunty helm]

or... just play POE now

[vast elm]

ok you're not gonna believe what just happened lol

[sterile latch]

I'm happy for u 😡 good job

[vast elm]

honestly, ive never even seen a 2LP ring or helm from her lol

[sterile latch]

Nice photoshop. We all know 2lp julra's don't exist

[jaunty helm]

CoF definitely helped you there right

[vast elm]

oh big time

[sterile latch]

Yeah cof way more likely to get 2lp julras

[vast elm]

loving cof this cycle, its been a pain to get a certain item but im getting heaps of other goods

[jaunty helm]

It's decent. I think the Nemesis stuff should show up more often in monos though.

[vast elm]

damn what do i slam on them

[jaunty helm]

Harbies should drop their uniques a bit more often too

[tribal basin]

They do , on higher corruption , up to 22% chance

[jaunty helm]

yeah I just feel that's a bit low. also would like to see the new bases in Nemesis much more often

[vast elm]

oh man im getting their drops constantly right now, its been a wild night

[worthy rampart]

Why on god's green earth, would anyone go those julra gloves over the ring?

[jaunty helm]

They stack

[worthy rampart]

gloves don't really have anything but resistances doe

[jaunty helm]

til you slam them with stuff?

then you get some crazy interactions with the rings

tbh yeah I dunno, seems marginal

[worthy rampart]

kinda really expensive for resistances on minions, vs rings and a real pair of gloves. Unless the whole point is to make them tanky? Seem kinda meh for 5 spell power - granted forgebreath scales at 300%, but oofers.

[tribal basin]

yeah , you use both because of obvious reasons

[jaunty helm]

Anyone running a shield bash build that isn't zdps?

[vast elm]

yeah you'd use both, stack the gloves x4 to your forged weapons. i think id only really care if i got t7 melee attack speed

[vast elm]

its on the list of my echo VK builds

[sterile latch]

T5 crit to go along with it frees up other slots

[jaunty helm]

oh VK.. hrm, yeah I don't wanna reroll from FG

[vast elm]

thats true, and i think i do actually need that

[vast elm]

oh you can totally do it as FG, i just like VK echo shield bash haha

[jaunty helm]

my tooltip is like 90k in monos

feels good for those, but bossing is a chore

[cursive rose]

I tinkered to hard and now i dont even know what my forgeman is up too

[jaunty helm]

lol

[cursive rose]

that set actually do be working tho

[jaunty helm]

Sunforged?

[cursive rose]

yea i think i one shot a 300 corruption boss

[jaunty helm]

lol yeah it's actually not a bad set

[cursive rose]

just tinkering with stuff

need them swords tho

[worthy rampart]

that ruby fang is super dope for clearing campaign and early monos too

[cursive rose]

im trying to make a Bellows build

but i just dont know if it will be worth it but it should be easy to get to stack stun chance and dmg over time double dipping stats

I just dont know about dot builds, you can look them up and see someone complaining they are OP with someone complaining they are underwhelming right underneath it haha

[worthy rampart]

what is bellows?

[cursive rose]

Skillnode on Forge strike that converts all alignments done with forgestrike to also scale dot dmg with stun chance

pretty easy to stack stun

[worthy rampart]

oh derp

[cursive rose]

I went from 5k static ward to 300 heath and ward and now im back to 1200 health still but still converting heal to ward on HH my guys a mess right now but its still working

[waxen nymph]

Bardiche with Bleed chance, and exalted Stun Chance is you best bet

[winter copper]

mediocre build with offline gear you will reach 130k ticks on bosses at most

[sterile latch]

Man a lot of us went over to PoE judging by channel activity yesterday

[turbid dome]

Hey now, Poe buffed melee by removing annoying upkeep skills and buffing the damage skills

looks at VR

But also like LE needs like 2 or 3 more endgame things

[feral burrow]

Anyone knows what is the recommended % of armor? with forge guard i am able to go close to 100% - not sure if it makes sense

[turbid dome]

% increased armor? % of armor applies to dots? Armor damage reduction?

Like which % of armor are you asking about

[feral burrow]

on the character sheet there is armor and a % to the right

additional defense

[turbid dome]

That’s your damage reduction from armor, it’s the listed % against physical hits and 70% effective against non physical hits

It caps at 85%, most builds on sentinel can reach 70-75% easily

[feral burrow]

i am not seeing anywhere else armor% in the character sheet but maybe i am blind

[feral burrow]

Ok thanks

[turbid dome]

The other things are affixes to increase your armor or make it apply to damage over time

[feral burrow]

Then more than 85% does not make sense i see

[turbid dome]

Yeah*

*if the listed thing is 85% you may not be at 85% damage reduction from non physical hits

But going from 75 -> 85 for just physical hits is already a LOT of armor

[brittle grove]

🙏

[turbid dome]

👀

[primal wedge]

wow its even pretty nicely rolled

[brittle grove]

now i just need a t7 strength relic and some luck

[primal wedge]

cant wait to see that bad boy with frailty and cold resist

[turbid dome]

Nah cold res and dex

[brittle grove]

cold resist would actually be usefull cause i'm undercapped as frick on that xdd

[turbid dome]

[primal wedge]

he's a dodge sentinel

so these actually both work for him, goodluck on the slam

[brittle grove]

dont judge me, rng only gives me poison resistance on everything since i slammed the last couple of uniques

[turbid dome]

Rng Jesus giveth and taketh

[brittle grove]

so far he took my will to play LE, but aint got nother better atm

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

all dem uniques be bricking man

[turbid dome]

Dang it even bricked your grole

[brittle grove]

see, fricking GGG bricking everything

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

dont tomglare me, rather tell me what you think of my current idea to make VK more tanky since i aint seeing titan hearts
i was thinking anchor of oblivion + the inevitable (the new ES boots) since i still cant kill abbaroth 😐

[tribal basin]

For some reason my stuff is always undercapped on Void Res so i just try to dodge everything Void related
Cant be bothered to fix my res

[brittle grove]

i mean a bit of undercap on resi is fine, it's not as insane as in PoE.
but i run around with 3k+ HP, crit immunity amd the important resis capped (phys/void/necro) and yet, if abbaroth even looks at me my VK falls over 😐

[turbid dome]

That was at you claiming GGG is bricking your stuff in LE

[brittle grove]

ggg always at fault for frick ~~happening ~~ going wrong in any arpg

[turbid dome]

Vaal it no balls

[noble zenith]

lol must be annoying vs harbringers

[turbid dome]

Get orins eye and convert all that void to fire

[brittle grove]

last time i played PoE like a year ago or so, chris wolcen vaaled the EU servers again , as he does on a daily basis. and it lost me an 8/9 house of mirrors in my horti. havent gone back since and never will

[turbid dome]

[tribal basin]

Yes , but that way you actually learn mechanics as well

" ... was killed by a Void Fan of Harbinger of Hatred , Overkill Damage 2813 "
Just git gud bro

[mighty cedar]

@turbid dome you know that indent that is for jav and electrify?

[turbid dome]

Not off the top of my head but there’s like 8 unique spears in the game, look it up on LE tools

[waxen nymph]

Turanis Bident

[turbid dome]

that sounds correct

[mighty cedar]

No I know it, I wanted to get your op on what to scale for it, do ykh go throw or do you go smite or do you go dot

[turbid dome]

absolutely no idea

[alpine canopy]

Yes

That's the cheeky way of saying, you use jav with smite on hit and spec them all into electrify

[mighty cedar]

so you roll for DoT dmg? or i supose all the "increased" and "moire" apply to the electrify those things apply

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, you focus on scaling the electrify and that scales with the applicable 'more' multis on the skill trees

granted, I haven't played this since the change to smite idols, I'm not sure how that affects the build overall

[mighty cedar]

so my gear I would want to just focus on Increas to lightning dmg and not flat throw or flat spell?

[alpine canopy]

Right - lightning, throwing speed, -cost for throwing, and attributes

[mighty cedar]

makes sense makes sense./... Inc DoT feels like a trap of a pre/sufix then haha

[alpine canopy]

Sadly, jav and smite just generally don't scale with almost anything similar, electrify and bleed are the primary options. They don't even share any attribute scaling

[mighty cedar]

Yea that makes sense.... i mainly am interested for this specific passiv e

[alpine canopy]

Inc DOT works fine, too, lightning is just nicer since it'll scale your hits somewhat, which don't deal totally 0 damage

oh yeah, crit won't help at all for electrify, but if you really want to use that passive you'll have to go hit-based instead

[mighty cedar]

its jsut SO TEMPTING lol thats LOADED

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, and worth noting that both jav and smite convert all your ignite chance to electrify, so that's another thing you want a lot of. Jav also converts your bleed chance to electrify, but smite won't.

[turbid dome]

yay toast knows how to do this build

[mighty cedar]

uea it pairs really nicelu with this

[alpine canopy]

It was a fun build, I'm pretty sure the bleed version is stronger because sent has great bleed support, but electrify looks way cooler lol

[mighty cedar]

exactly this haah, that is why I am running shield throw smite atm

[grim fog]

Im cursed by getting really good rolls on stuff I dont have build... im a make a voidknight I guess

[fallen onyx]

Is this build good or not https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/g9a70o73#2 ?

[shell forge]

can someone explain Anomaly from Void knight to me?
what the hell does "sending enemies into the future" do?
and whats the idea of this skill?

[turbid dome]

you yeet them into the future so you dont have to fight them now and can fight other things

normally people go to the bottom right and use it as a buff yourself button

[bleak breach]

porpl bubl

[turbid dome]

basically

[bleak breach]

how hard is 100% uptime on that

i think it's like 3-4 seconds of downtime with the length increase and recovery speed nodes

[shell forge]

thanks!

[primal wedge]

Its 0 downtime with the self bubble and the 2sec lingering node

Well the bubble goes away for a sec or 2, but you keep the buffs

The 80% you need to get to that node is enough for full uptime you don't even need any other cdr

[mighty cedar]

sooooo i just had to kill some big void fat dude when fighitng a timeline boss (non empowered as I have not unlocked it yet on this char) who ta fudge was he

[turbid dome]

thats a harbringer

[mighty cedar]

jesus he was terifying

[turbid dome]

welcome to the new endgame mechanic

[mighty cedar]

i guess this eye thing is what youy need for the gat e thing?

i did not think that I would run into them in non empowereds

[turbid dome]

the first one shows up on your last non empowered

[mighty cedar]

that can't be true though cause I have 2/3 m,ore to do

[turbid dome]

[mighty cedar]

ill show you 1 sec (in a load screen)

i just fought 1 at the spirits of fire

"report back once you have killed a 3rd harbinger" so I guess its account wide?

cause I did do 1 on my other guy

[turbid dome]

I thought the first one showed up on your final timeline, I guess Im wrong

[mighty cedar]

i did one on my OTHER guy so maybe its account wide?

[turbid dome]

no idea

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, once you've unlocked empowered on one char, you only need to do one of the level 90s to unlock empowered on other chars

within the same stash; the first harbinger fight is what unlocks emp

[mighty cedar]

so will every timeline have one now?

wait a second, I misread what you saoid

[alpine canopy]

Not until you've unlocked the harbinger fight in that timeline, which takes an increasing amount of corruption (see your quest log)

[mighty cedar]

1 90 on a new char unlocks empowered!?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, but only once you've unlocked empowered on another char that shares a stash (aka for alt chars)

[mighty cedar]

ah okay got y ah. that is new, def a ncie QOL

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, between that and the new glyph of envy (which 100% fills the stability bar in one use on normal monos) and the new corruption mechanics, catching up on alts is as fast as your char can handle it now

[sterile latch]

Yeah leveling alts should be wicked fast now

[mighty cedar]

im 80..... so far the fights have been easy but im scaared to do these lvl 90 last ones at 100

[alpine canopy]

Only holdup they still have is you gotta get all the passives and idol slots, but it's not nearly as bad as it was pre-1.1

[sterile latch]

If u die just go agane

[alpine canopy]

The hardest harbingers are just the girls

So like Treason, for example

[mighty cedar]

im, still 1 shotting stuff at the lvl 100 spot so im good I think

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, gotta push up to 300c though for the last harbinger

[mighty cedar]

well that did not roll wel

[twilit valley]

Is abberoth always 1 difficulty solo ? Or does he scale with your corruption

Like if your 300 corruption it 2000 corruption is there a difference in abberoth difficulty

[fallen lance]

what class do you guys recommend for a sentinel dot build?

[twilit valley]

I like paladin bleed hammers

[mighty cedar]

lighting, bleed, fire, void.... need to choose whcih dot you want

[fallen lance]

lets say bleed or ignite

[mighty cedar]

i enjoyed shieldhtorw manifest armor bussaw boleed buiuld

[fallen lance]

found the new conversion gloves that make bleed into ignite.

[mighty cedar]

@waxen nymph how mujch of this would apply to a Manifest Armor?

[shut glen]

Hello guys, do you know if Eye of Reen sword works with manifest armor and forged weapon ?? 🙂

[winter copper]

no they do not get any special stats

[shut glen]

Sad life, i'm looking for a cool one handed sword for forged weapon, any idée ?

[alpine canopy]

He's a set difficulty

[twilit valley]

Thanks for the reply

[alpine canopy]

On the Tu'rani? Just the implicits, frailty, electrify pen, and lightning pen (i.e. mostly useless stats)

[sterile latch]

Apogee

I feel like ailments are the realm of acolyte. It's so easy to get 400% poison pen and 999 stacks of poison and it's still not that good imo

[alpine canopy]

That's just because poison sucks

Everyone but mage can do good bleed builds, sent can do electrify, primalist and mage can do frostbite, something something ignite maybe idk

[sterile latch]

How does bleed and electrify scale past 400 poison pen from poison overload though? With the 150 from poison that's 550 resist pen

[alpine canopy]

By dealing way more base damage to start with, and having good multipliers on skills

[sterile latch]

Iirc people were saying poison scales off the stygian catalyst, not just the nodes too @alpine canopy but good point maybe the scalers are better in the skills for sent

[shut glen]

Why Apogee ? For the flat damage and the more damage ?

[sterile latch]

Yeah for the more dmg. Maybe abby's command for void cleave main hand idk.

Gotta resummon the manifest armor to keep up the second buff tho on apogee.

[shut glen]

Undisputed doesn't work ?

[mighty cedar]

I guess you could technically use an MA to apply electrify on a singel target crazy high stacks

[sterile latch]

Doubt it does but I wouldn't really care if it did as it's just increased dmg

[alpine canopy]

Sure yeah, there are some 'more' multipliers outside of skills, that's just the typical place to get them. Duration is also a big factor, very hard to get poison duration.

[mighty cedar]

i am right in asuming that dots applied by skils have their dmg modified by the skill that applied them correct?

[shut glen]

Ok thanks for the answers, good night every one 🙂

[sterile latch]

Duration matters less at max stacks :/

[sterile latch]

Yeah that's something I learned in this chat

[alpine canopy]

There is no max stacks

[sterile latch]

It doesn't show past 999

[alpine canopy]

duration is basically just another multiplier, like penetration

[mighty cedar]

I wonder if I could beef the MA's dmg up enough for electrify to be worth wehile

[alpine canopy]

(just to be clear, the display doesn't matter, that's why it says 999+)

[sterile latch]

I see. Didn't know that, pretty sure I dropped gear with poison chance before when I reached 999 without it

[alpine canopy]

Bleed is doable, unlikely any other ailments. Though ignite did get a slight buff, still looks way behind bleed based on a quick glance.

[mighty cedar]

are you refering to buzz saw MA?

[alpine canopy]

I'm not familiar with that term, but basically it's just a shield throw build

that happens to have MA do the damage

[mighty cedar]

basically when the shield hitos the MA it does a sweeping atack with no internal CD and it has like 500%+ bleed chance ontop of your stuff too

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that's the MA bleed build for sure. Sentinel has such good bleed scaling on its gear, and MA has that node for 150% more bleed damage

[terse burrow]

I find funny how Paladin is advertised as a support class for 'allies' when this game has literally 0 incentive to party with other people.

[mighty cedar]

but IU dont want bleed T.T i wand to be a special noodle

[mighty cedar]

so duel wielding works with MA`1?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

[haughty canopy]

MP was always an afterthought iirc

i mean arpgs areht conducive to mp usually

[alpine canopy]

Electrify jav + smite was a fun build. There have been a few changes since I played it (smite idol changes, HH, and palarus), but I'm sure some variation of electrify is viable between jav, smite, multistrike, and HH.

Like you might be able to do a direct cast smite + HH with palarus nowadays

Maybe palarus + aurelis + HH multismite is more bearable

[haughty canopy]

hmm worth going ignite for hammers over bleed? doing smite on throw too.. not converting smite to lightning

[terse burrow]

Yeah it wasnt even introduced in this game till like a year or so ago. but still, Its a shame that theres no incentive to play this game with other people outside of loot flexing

no increased xp, no content that encourages group play (i guess Aberroth could be considered that), no multiplayer mechanics that makes it 'easy' to play with others. (in fact, its made harder due to the whole resonance item mechanic),

[haughty canopy]

well they gotta tweak it iguess

[terse burrow]

you can share loot within an instance i guess, thats somethin

but thats it.

[open iris]

The healing hands node Sacred Gift: Does the health globe drop also heal your character? Or only allies?

[turbid dome]

It should heal you, you are your own ally*

*expect for shield throw

[cursive rose]

doesnt look like phalanx on the summon shields is working

or at least the refuse to heal me and give me armor

[waxen nymph]

You cannot be healed if you are full hp

[fallen lance]

So is Paladin superior to Forge Guard for bleed?

[waxen nymph]

Slightly

Bleed Hammer Throw is better on Pala

Bleed Forge Strike is a good Bleed build exclusive to Forge Guard

Bleed Shield Rush is better on Paladin (dont play it online)

[cursive rose]

i wasnt full hp but who knows

oh sorta worked

[grim fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8KF6QdN6w
Would this build still work on 1.1? looks funny magick man

Is PLD Divine bolt Healing hands

[winged pulsar]

It’ll work with about 1/3rd of the damage and 1/6th of the ward

[grim fog]

Looks funny tho

[waxen nymph]

Iva Markova made an update on it, she was at 800-900 Corruption

Can probably push to 1k

[grim fog]

The shield build alrd not doing it for me

I dont die but... I aint doing any damage either LMAO

[winter copper]

another person baited into shield bash without proper gear

[grim fog]

Enemy's just permadodging the Shieldbash 450 Corruption alrd stuck there

[winter copper]

perma dodging?

[grim fog]

Mostly jokling but I feel like it doesnt hit the enemy's

[winter copper]

either you are encountering a bug or constantly picking up dodge modifier on echoes it gives 50% dodge to enemies

[grim fog]

Yea I feel like that, the tooltip says my "DPS" with shieldbash is around 167 K

ANd mind you I havent found a singel base crit for the LP so Im barely critting

[winter copper]

tooltip doesnt matter, but shield bash damage will be miserable wihtout 100+str 80%+crit chance, 100% block chance and 8-12k+ block effect

[grim fog]

Except crit I have all of that

[winter copper]

like i would not reccomend anyone to play that build if you dont have above stats at least

[alpine canopy]

It really only gives them like 12% dodge chance

[grim fog]

I have like... 32% crit

[winter copper]

😱 no wae, thats quite heavy nerf

[alpine canopy]

It hasn't changed in a long time, aside from maybe it scaled with corruption before, and also it could get more stacks

the magic mobs with "of shadows" have about 26% dodge chance when you have a dodge modifier on though, so that kinda sucks lol

[winged pulsar]

And how does it feel when you have all that?

[terse burrow]

welp i uh.. go some lvlin to do

[winter copper]

you can check maxroll guide video, easy 50-70k crits so oneshot pretty much anything that moves

and permastuns bosses on 1k cor

[grim fog]

Best of luck 🙏

[terse burrow]

🙏🏻

[winged pulsar]

Oh you have a max roll guide? Nice. I got a near perfect 3lp axe shield that hit the slam so imma do some arena memes. I’ll check it out.

[alpine canopy]

Looks like time to pop some of those gross arena prophecies lol

[winter copper]

hit the slam on what? cause that build needs double %crit/base crit on weapon, but ye just check maxroll setup, i personally have a better planner with red ring+abberoth body armor for full tankiness but it deals approximately 10-15% less dmg than volcas guide

[winged pulsar]

I am gonna do a peak of mountain setup with some ward memes. My slam hit base crit armor shred and chill. Missed the increased. But with enough work around, peak of mountain can perform just as well as the leonine one.

[winter copper]

ward and peak? 🧐 thats some cooking idk how ull make it work lol

[winged pulsar]

It’s pretty much the same as the end game aberoth leonine setup. I don’t feel like finding another super well rolled axe

[winter copper]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1f4n702i#1 here is my setup, i didnt get to fully gear it but tested offline and pretty op, dont think it can get any tankier

[winged pulsar]

I only ever used lastepochtools. Is there a way to see EHP values on that maxroll planner? On mobile and don’t see anything. Interested to see how it compares to my double red ring, ravenous, sentinels relic version

[winter copper]

wait you found a way to use 2 red rings? the main issue i had with 2 rr is that no matter what i couldnt find a way to sustain mana with them, you need sigil ring to have mana and all sigils uptime

the shield makes sigils impossible to self cast on top of heavy mana cost of bash itself

but ye my setup doesnt have 2 rr and rav void but has 20% dr from body armor 1 red ring and vengeance, plus sent relic/15% armor to dots from passives and another 32% from gloves, so 78% armor to dots in total

[winged pulsar]

Dbl RR won’t work for bosses but should be fine for arena. I somehow managed to get 2 t7 STR red rings and only 1 3lp orians that failed. So im inclined to use dbl RR.

[winter copper]

are u sure? idk i didnt feel comfortable even running monos without sigil ring

i mean you can rely on sigils on kill, but its not 100% uptime for 100% block then

[winged pulsar]

I tested all the mana regen it was fine. Idk how often you use potion to proc belt but I run t5 mana regen and t1 cleanse on potion.

I’m 97 block without sigils ya. Just need 1

[winter copper]

wait im cooked now how do u have 97% block without sigils? what shield do u use

i use horns with t7 BE and t5 reduced block dmg

[winged pulsar]

I’m counting the block % from shield bash and ring of shields.

Since they are perma in arena

I was trying to cook with wall of nothing and vessel of strife etc for ward stuff. It’s pretty damn tough to get it all working together. Aberoth version pretty straight forward

[winter copper]

well my issue with abberoth chest is overcapping all resists but its possible so was fine

[winged pulsar]

Part of me just wants to run the apocalypse shield or lightless arbor shield and take the dps loss but have more quality of life.

[winter copper]

well would be nice if you wont have issues on arena with 2 rr

[haughty canopy]

so rip... hammers smitedin still meta i guess

[winter copper]

wdym? shield bash is mega op, it just also requires mega gear, doing 70-100k crits from 1 hit is stupidly strong

and also bleed hammers is just way stronger than smitedin

[sterile latch]

man I had no idea sigils cost so much mana. The ring casts them for ~75% of the cost every 10s

[winter copper]

too bad ring is bugged with new patch

[pearl warren]

can someone give me advice on my hammer throw VK?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qek0J8Mo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 72

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (47) / Forge Guard (7) / Paladin (1)

General:

▸ Health: 983, Regen: 68.11/s
▸ Mana: 146.28, Regen: 14.66/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 1 Dex / 13 Int / 22 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 98% / 94% / 79% / 44% / 105% / 95%
▸ EHP: 1,481 / 1,481 / 1,481 / 1,591 / 1,123 / 1,481 / 1,481

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 197
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (500)
▸ Block Chance: 26%, Mitigation: 49% (1,540)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Hammer Throw (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Devouring Orb (20)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Cradle of the Erased
• Font of the Erased
• Bleeding Heart

[sterile latch]

Do you guys often wait for stuff to die with bleed builds? I think I can get duration up to 15s with a build I'm cooking and I dunno if I need taste of blood to be able to mob (bossing is whatever I'll wait the 15s to kill abby)

[winter copper]

taste of blood with 2lp is a nice monolith addtion if you have op gear

overall no, things die fast anyways

[winged pulsar]

Vengeance tech is interesting with aberoth since you got mega leech. Didn’t really think about it with healing hands existing.

[winter copper]

also its only for melee builds(shield rush) for hammers taste of blkood is useless sadly, imo they need to change that

[winter copper]

ya also the main reason i need sigil ring for arena, since i take off sigils from the bar and put unspecced lunge, which is amazing on arena, otherwise i need to give up either vengance or volatile or ring of shileds from my cast bar

plus u can swing air to get mana back from passive if no enemies around

[twilit valley]

How they bugged

[winter copper]

just doesnt autocast sometimes

[twilit valley]

Hmm mine always auto - mine always sit at 4 sigils auto

You have to be over 50% mana for them to cast

Maybe your dropping below 50 at times when they need to cast and it resets another 10 seconds

[stray mauve]

I dunno it doesn't seem off, if I'm parked stationary doing nothing the ring is recasting but my 4/4 sigil definitely seems effed up in combat where I usually sustain despite mana expenditures/recovery

I think the behavior of the ring changed from pausing the 10 second countdown to recast if mana cost wasn't above 50% to skipping the recast if the half mana requirement isn't met

[lament star]

why is this so good ?

[junior wren]

Hello fellow Sentinels, I have a question regarding Paladin's Judgement, does the Consecrated Ground snap shot?
For example, if I cast Judgement, then heal myself to gain 70% increased damage and healing (Prayer passive in Paladin), does the existing Consecrated Ground gain damage right away, or do I need to reuse the skill? edit: found my answer here #🔱┃sentinel message

[lament star]

here i go again. doing dumb stuff. healing hand'ed into the aoe with 9% necro res

[grim fog]

Does this node even work if I dont have a shield?

[wise rune]

yes

[hardy jasper]

the world splitter axe and the bundle armor together looks so badass

[sinful pelican]

ok reached 250c on bleed hammerdin, and keep dying to emperor of corpses harbinger... getting 1-shotted... how much more defence do I need to avoid this? what is the order of priority for defensive layers?

[weary iron]

Hi
I have a question around Shield Throw and Ring of Shields, please.
Have you ever had the case where you can no longer cast Shield Throw even when you are at full mana?
I think the game, at one point, does not detect the return of the shield and considers that it is still in the wild.
You have to wait 5 or 6 seconds for the skill to become available again.

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

Click import

And share your planner

So we can have a look

[waxen nymph]

Never hears of that bug
Do you still have a cooldown on your Shield Throw?

[weary iron]

I have the node "Focused Campaign" (cooldown is immediately reset when your shield returns to you).
But i don't have the node "Shield Barrage" (Shield Throw no longer has cooldown).

[uneven junco]

hello does a void hammer knight exist? as well as a rive one. im inclined to use paladin but im a damage guy, i also have 2 legendaries that are fit for a VK lol

[hardy jasper]

Rive build is very popular

the void hammer not sure. I'm sure you can make a decent build around it but not sure how high corruption that can push

It's an interesting item but I still prefer a straight up ES build with worldsplitter and mana stacking

[void onyx]

I am convinced the shattered chains belt doesn't exist. After days of farming shades over 200 I am officially giving up my active search

Time to farm t3 or higher peaks of the mountain

[brittle grove]

my very first red ring, after 400h in release league and about 150 this league i finally have one 🥹

[cursive rose]

little math checky is it worth it to have my manifested forgepokeman be a shred armor machine? ive got a 500% shred armor axe and a 250% effect chest

so wouldnt that be like 3000+% effectiveness per hit

if he doubles my chest's 250% effectiveness or is that one of those tricky stats the armor cant figure out

[sinful pelican]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYlZ3wlB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (9) / Forge Guard (8) / Paladin (57)

General:

▸ Health: 2,020, Regen: 75.54/s
▸ Mana: 225.63, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 92%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 10 Dex / 23 Int / 1 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 166% / 150% / 134% / 71% / 103% / 91% / 140%
▸ EHP: 4,858 / 4,858 / 4,858 / 6,351 / 4,858 / 4,858 / 4,858

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 404
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,490)
▸ Block Chance: 52%, Mitigation: 32% (742)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 33%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Smite (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Flayer's Pride
• Salt the Wound
• Blood of the Exile
• Valdyr's Chalice

[sinful pelican]

just to repeat about build above ... reached 250c on bleed hammerdin, and keep dying to emperor of corpses harbinger... getting 1-shotted... how much more defence do I need to avoid this? what is the order of priority for defensive layers?

[cursive rose]

cap phys and more armor?

something that plumps it up conditionally?

[waxen nymph]

No crit Mitigation and no endurance are your biggest issue

Hp pool is a little bit small but should be sufficient for now

[winged pulsar]

@winter copper I know affix slots are tight, but did you compare running armor shred on like a glove slot or weapon for you FG tanky build?

[winter copper]

i think its useless on shield bash, especially for arena, u hit for 70+k and one shot things, plus you apply 3 shreds by default from skill nodes

[sinful pelican]

wow so I need to max all defences... thanks

[sinful pelican]

by crit mitigation you mean 'Reduced Bonus Damage Taken From Critical Strikes'?

[alpine canopy]

There are two flavors, that reduced bonus damage from crits and crit avoidance. You can do either, they effectively do the same thing at 100%. Never do less than 100% crit avoid, but reduced extra crit you are fine just getting a goodd amount. Grab whichever is easier for your build.

[vernal scroll]

Can a skill proc Melle dmg AND spell dmg ?

[mighty cedar]

YES

[brittle grove]

@turbid dome sealed t6 ES

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

and it immedeatly went to frick, GGG hates me

[winged pulsar]

U had 65 fp. What happened

[sinful pelican]

I thought that the reduced bonus damage was better, but what do I know? so much conflicting advice about that, and really difficult to fit both in without sacrificing something

[waxen nymph]

You don't want both

[brittle grove]

first annul took off 17 fp, first chaos rune another 15 and then not enough fp left to upgrade the neccessary suffixes, ended with t4 hp% and t2 vit

[sinful pelican]

which is better?

[waxen nymph]

The one you have an easier time getting

[alpine canopy]

They are identical if you have either at 100%, and if you have 100% crit avoid then the reduced extra does absolutely nothing. Only technical difference at 100% is crit avoid makes you immune to crits, while reduced extra means you still count as being crit (only matters for fiery dragon boots currently).

[waxen nymph]

As a Paladin crit avoid is quite easy

Passive + Reign of Dragon blessing and you should be capped iirc

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, and any sentinel build that doesn't need a particular helm can use leonine one for like 85% reduced extra, which is already enough on its own generally

[sinful pelican]

ok thanks for the crit advice guys

[waxen nymph]

They are indeed critical

[winged pulsar]

Real men aren’t scared of critical strikes

[alpine canopy]

heh

[brittle grove]

wtfridge is that, what the ever loving fridge

[velvet swallow]

Hello there Sentinels!

It's time for me to take the biggest freaking two-handed weapon I can get and crack demonskulls open using brute force alone.

Now I already have a Paladin and I don't wanna start another, so what I want to know from you is what would be the better alternative of the other two masteries based on what I just wrote, Void Knight or Forge Guard?

It has to be something that works fairly well with a two-handed weapon. I don't care if it's suboptimal in comparison to one-hander + shield or dual wielding. I like the idéa of one massive weapon and smashing the monsters with big damage numbers.

TL;DR Best mastery for using a two handed weapon build, Void Knight or Forge Guard?

[turbid dome]

You can infinite bonk on void knight with world splitter + erasing strike + mana from consuming void essences

[tribal crane]

Counter-argument, you can oneshot aberroth with event horizon and smelters wrath

[brittle grove]

Counter argument. Void knight is bae

[cursive rose]

Does Bolster on smelters wrath not work for endurance i dont see my stats changing in C or is it just not refected in that

[barren spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALveKD1B

So I got new items and I think I should be almost there, however I'm unable to clear anything above 150 corruption...
Shall I use two more smite DMG idols?
Or get getter legendaries?

I really don't know what I'm doing wrong at this point... I have to uncheck the harbinger bosses because it takes me forever to kill one...

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Paladin (69)

General:

▸ Health: 3,136, Regen: 24.21/s
▸ Mana: 220.06, Regen: 8.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 11 Dex / 13 Int / 11 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 104% / 81% / 73% / 67% / 103% / 73%
▸ EHP: 5,464 / 5,607 / 5,607 / 6,819 / 5,194 / 5,607 / 5,497

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 833
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,532)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smite (22)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Javelin (20)
• Healing Hands (23)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Aurelis
• Blood of the Exile
• Bleeding Heart
• Ucenui's Sphere

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

wish me luck, brother, about to slam my 2LP anchor of oblivion

[turbid dome]

may rngjesus bless you

[brittle grove]

🇫

[turbid dome]

D:

[brittle grove]

already bricked a 2lp shattered chains today as well, frick you GGG

[cursive rose]

do you have a build for that lol its so slow

[fallen lance]

anyone got a manifest armor shield throw planner?

[tribal crane]

no, but on youtube theres a guy who 2 shot aberroth without event horizon, so with event horizon i'm sure you're capable of 1shotting him

[waxen nymph]

That build is bugged btw

The node More Dmg per Ignite up to 150% isnt working properly

Its not capping

[worthy marten]

Does someone have a min/max LE tools Shield Bash FG LETools build to share? Want to see where I'm kind of going with mine in comparison.

[civic sinew]

Any feeling on which paladin builds are strongest in 1.1? shield bash? healing hands? hammerdin?

[cinder garnet]

Is the javelins split when hit effect not supposed to work with the holy path node? Huge bummer I can’t light the screen but it also basically kills the node in general.

[pale bramble]

@worthy martenI'm doing one in HC by myself (not min max at all i guess) but i can share it and discuss it if you like (tomorow, i'm going to bed :p)

There is one on maxroll, just in case.

[pale bramble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1MPwNEA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 74

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (45) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,629, Regen: 63.24/s
▸ Mana: 118.37, Regen: 10.79/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 9 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 144% / 88% / 99% / 132% / 71% / 126% / 83%
▸ EHP: 5,584 / 5,584 / 5,584 / 9,566 / 5,378 / 6,641 / 5,584

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 326
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (8)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (5,550)
▸ Block Chance: 48%, Mitigation: 59% (2,457)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Void / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Shield Bash (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Vengeance (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Orian's Sun Seal

[pale bramble]

work in progress

[twilit valley]

Does Abberoth drop any special loot ? Been working on my build and hopefully have him ready to try and beat abberoth in a few days ..

[terse burrow]

man, I feel Void knight needs a lot of love in the buff department

So many cool things it can do, but the synergy to pull off builds is sooo.. awful

[waxen nymph]

It has a few specific uniques

[terse burrow]

I want so bad for Erasing Strike to be this gigabomb on bosses but it just doesnt quite do it. Or i want so bad for Ravaging Aura + DoT's to be a thing but constantly having to void cleave to keep it up is a nuisance. Same with Devouring Orb

Or Erasing Strikes Void beams. Those are awesome, but only on kills? cant use it for bosses

Class desperatly needs some better synergy

[terse burrow]

ah yeah. forgot about that one.

now. find a way to get Ravaging Aura, void beams, and devouring orbs to proc all together and youll be a saint

[waxen nymph]

The new Sceptre give long lasting Rav Aura and instant cast on VC

Could be a start

[terse burrow]

ye, im working towards it atm

[alpine canopy]

Rav aura might be viable this cycle, I haven't pushed it too much because I'm lazy on gearing it, but it works as a "full" spell void DOT kind of thing

with abyssal echoes (and VR debuffs) for single target

[terse burrow]

yeah thats what im trying to go for, a full DoT build

only lvl 62 atm so most of the gear i need isnt unlocked yet

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I leveled using VC traversal + ES, such a great combo

[terse burrow]

lol its so fun, but the synergy of that combo on bosses sucks so badly unfortunately

[alpine canopy]

I really wish we could use VC as a traversal still with that sceptre on, it's just the best feeling traversal in game

[terse burrow]

right now im using Numlock trick to keep Dev Orb up. its fun but still what im doing now sucks for bossing. hope the gear im working towards, as well as leveling, helps with it

[winged pulsar]

No better feeling than numlocking warpath and just spinning around.

[terse burrow]

lol as easy as it sounds i wanted a lil more nuance to the build

[alpine canopy]

The way mine ends up, you can numlock warpath, but you still lunge and manually pop VC or VR

and I guess you could manually do AE, too, if you wanted

no dev orb

[noble zenith]

FINALLYYYYYYYYY

[winged pulsar]

Nice

[terse burrow]

noice

[velvet swallow]

Hey guys!

I'm level 22 with my Void Knight atm and I'm using Erasing Strike and Void Cleave for damage. I hit like a truck but I have to wait for Erasing Strike and Void Cleave to come off cooldown, which feels very slow and is a bit irritating.

I cannot find any other damage ability that uses the element "Void", and I was just wondering if it's supposed to be this way or am I missing something here? Perhaps a skill point in either of the two Void damage abilities that I can't see no matter how hard I look? 😦

[noble zenith]

i lost so much gold but worth itt

[noble zenith]

i probably think its normal, lvl 22 its kinda early so your build wont feel good until maybe lvl 50 60

i never played erasing strike so i dont know how it work to make the cd faster or something like it

[velvet swallow]

Jesus an additional 38 level ish approximitaly before it starts to feel good? I might aswell use another skill instead then until that point because waiting for the CD is not fun. I was thinking maybe Warpath but I'm not sure how well it performs as a Void Knight?

[noble zenith]

i mean, in "general", builds start to feel good at this level yeah, i was not talking specifically about this one ( maybe i'm wrong )

[velvet swallow]

Oh I see

[noble zenith]

but i'm pretty sure its a pretty good build in early game, you should be able to stack adds and just use erasing strike on them, then run etc and just pool the mobs and boom

dont you have something that make is spammable ? because i just saw a video and the dude is just spamming it

[velvet swallow]

Yeah it's definitely a learn to play issue for me then hehe. But just out of curiosity which generally performs better; Erasing Strike/Void Cleave or Warpath as Void Knight? I know you said you didn't knew to much about Erasing Strike cause you don't play it, but overall what do people generally speaking go for?

[noble zenith]

i guess you rush this

[terse burrow]

you will hella eat through mana though

not recommended

[noble zenith]

hmm both are good i think, warpath need probably more investisment, in my opinion

[terse burrow]

Jesus, can the mods PLEASE remove slowmod on the class channels?

[velvet swallow]

I'm not sure how I missed that lol but I don't have much mana at level 22 though, that said, at higher levels it could be really strong

[noble zenith]

lol i just looked at the build and the guy got both of this

its stupid right ? or i am the stupid guy

[velvet swallow]

That seems like a weird combination to pick.

[primal wraith]

hey what you guys think the best forge guard is

ihave a shield bash one and it seems tanky but not much dmg

[noble zenith]

forge strike is good no?

[clever wave]

is it jsut me, or does rive attack faster if you tap the key?

Wheny ou hold it, it seems to go at a slow stready rotation, versus when you tap it, it goes faster?

[primal wraith]

idk this is my frist forge guard i just want the most op one

[noble zenith]

cant tell you then, i just know forge strike is pretty good, but the most op one i have no idea

[winged pulsar]

Shield bash needs insane late game gear to start doing damage. I’d say check out maxroll guides for a better idea of something with less investment.

[primal wraith]

i have the money for the gear just got to get them slam right

[sterile latch]

Bleed forge weapons worked alright in my tests. Can kill Abby just fine but might suffer with survivability if you can't get the right lp gear. Hard to reach block chance cap with flayer's pride, and sword catcher has some issues as well since u need abyssal echoes to consume the bleed when mobbing. But perma haste + super frenzy is cool

[terse burrow]

this additive or multiplicative?

[sterile latch]

increased is all in the same bucket

So it's "additive"

[terse burrow]

ah, so worthless. got it

[sterile latch]

yeah. I guess there's some increased damage taken but those are rare

[primal wraith]

where dp i get a sunbeak at

[digital surge]

anyone using world splitter? thinking of rolling a void knight

[raven socket]

Shield bash build is nice but you gotta have unique and stack block effectiveness with block chance and strength

The attack speed of shieldbash could be a little highier but it’s decent

[waxen nymph]

Such a shame you don't get the More Dmg after Warpath for VC

If you don't stop warptahing

[cold dock]

World splitter. U need no cd
But u crit cap making it cost more

[digital surge]

im building a world splitter void knight. got a 3LP world splitter

[amber solstice]

regarding Axe Throw, does it penetrate multiple enemies and can trigger multiple "on throw attack hit" hits ?

[peak vessel]

it does not

[inner gazelle]

it feels like it takes less investment tbh... cuz the items you gotta farm for solid ES build is insane some of them are really really rare, and most have to be LP2 or you dont get much out of it

[inner gazelle]

is it better than the heart?

[inner gazelle]

this build is supposed to be run with mana stacking world splitter

it works im doing it but its hard to pull off the build, cuz you need a lot of stats for it to even start working

yo guys anyone of you know the best setup for warpath VK cuz im thinking about respecing

[sterile latch]

I think warpath generally just gets used for utility in casting smites while moving or making weapons

[inner gazelle]

well im talking about Voidknight version

[sterile latch]

Yeah I just don't think it does enough dmg to be the main dmg spell

[inner gazelle]

maybe with high crit it could

cuz with erasing strike im really getting frustrated by how you are locked in animations unable to move and also how much it takes to actually make it work a lot of rare uniques etc

[digital surge]

Whats wrong with world aplitter voide cleave / erase strike?

[inner gazelle]

i guess just doesnt fit my playstyle... its also very low survivability cuz you gotta stack so much mana on everything you can prettym uch

[inner gazelle]

thats the main reason i guess and the way erasing strike locks you in the animation, and with the thought that youre supposed to be spamming erasing strike, it makes it feel weird in my opinion often being in a really bad situation where you get locked in the animation only to get oneshot offscreen cuz you couldnt move

lmao

[wise rune]

With VK it does because you can stack echoes of it

[noble zenith]

The heart ?

[sterile latch]

Yeah I guess I'm wrong on this one

[viral dune]

Titan heart

[noble zenith]

Ah, nah my build is dual weapons, cant play this

[digital surge]

Idk. With reduced cd of the skills and a good attack speed roll it feels solid. The dmg tho and AoE is OMG with this world splitter. Such massive crits on erasing strike

[gilded sparrow]

Playing a Void Knight and having trouble with survivability. My resists are maxed out (necrotic is 2% short) have 5k armor and 2k health but getting pasted now that I've hit the level 100 content. What do other VK's use for defense? I have a tendancy to pick classes that die a lot so it could also just be me 🙂

doing Warpath/Erasing Strike and I have Volatile Reversal and Sigils of Hope

[noble zenith]

@gilded sparrowcan you show last epoch tools ? its easier to check

[gilded sparrow]

That makes sense lol. Here it is: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEGgXbjA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (70) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,048, Regen: 59.19/s
▸ Mana: 170.47, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 68%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 70 Str / 17 Dex / 17 Int / 25 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 85% / 98% / 180% / 174% / 73% / 79%
▸ EHP: 4,825 / 5,056 / 4,825 / 7,733 / 4,825 / 4,721 / 4,825

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 477
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,358)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 36%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (23)
• Lunge (21)
• Erasing Strike (23)
• Volatile Reversal (23)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Shadow Beacon
• Vaion's Chariot
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Locket of the Forgotten Knight
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[noble zenith]

@gilded sparrow

you probably take a LOT of damages from crits, also you dont have a lot of hp pool

[gilded sparrow]

That does make sense. last few times I died it was a crit

[noble zenith]

you can compare your builds tankyness to other builds by looking at this

[gilded sparrow]

oh, didn't know that

[noble zenith]

this mean to die by a one shot, you need to take hits like this

for example, people that have a REALLY REALLY huge gear, have numbers near 11K/12K

i have a very decent gears ( lack a bit of hp i have 2900 ), and my effective health pool is 8200 and i'm at corru 600+, so focus on hp and crit avoidance OR reducing crit damage

[gilded sparrow]

Thanks, that's very helpful 🙂

[noble zenith]

dont worry, focus on this stats for now, you will be more tanky and feel free to ask any questions

[fallen onyx]

I wonder how my Rive VK compares to my Frost Swarmblade in terms of damage?

[digital surge]

This. Youre being crit to death

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's such a huge multi that it's really tempting, though... Actually, now that you mention it, I wonder if I can proc it relatively easily while warpath is numlocked by just using VC right after lunge or AE and still get the while channeling bonuses.

Could be really strong, I just gotta get my defenses fixed on that char 😂

[fallen onyx]

are There any shield using build for Sentinel that comparable in damage to Rive VK?

[cosmic mist]

smites cast by multistrike cant benefit from the 0 mana smite node in the smite tree right?

[alpine canopy]

Actually, it's even better than that, just a simple evade works perfectly. According to the buff icon, it's also actually a 2s window rather than 1s like the description says, hopefully that's accurate lol

[lament star]

does phantom grip apply this mod twice ?

[crude dune]

in principle it does, in reality you have to test (so many affixe just dont work / count)

[waxen nymph]

Well, yes.
But it gives your Swords "Minions Dmg", so if they ever spawn minions they will get Dmg

[lament star]

swords can spawn minions ?

[alpine canopy]

No, but if they could, then giving them "minion damage" would help with that

[lament star]

so im confused, does it apply only once to the forged weapons then ?

[alpine canopy]

Technically it applies twice, just not the way you want it to. They only get their damage increased by you wearing the gloves. Applying minion damage to them with phantom grip gives them "minion damage" which is a dead stat for them as they don't summon any minions.

I think all the minions that actually can summon minions are primalist companions

[lament star]

i see ty

[inner gazelle]

nemesis is goated

[waxen nymph]

Pog

[lament star]

mana stacking ES ? ?

[waxen nymph]

World Splitter?

If so then yes

[inner gazelle]

yes sir

[inner gazelle]

now i gotta find god tier boots to slam into this

[lament star]

get those for some ES generation if you dont feel tanky

imagine 2k ES on void cleave

[inner gazelle]

im thinking yo slam pure max health and hybrid health tbh

[lament star]

i mean u do you but void cleave should be used frequently and with missing mana you'll always generate surplus tank

[inner gazelle]

hmmm maybe ill have to do some theory crafting ig

[lament star]

well it's gonna be hard finding t7 ward on missing mana boots tho

[cursive rose]

well i feel dumb for not ever actually reading what molten infusion does, thats insane i wasted my forgesummoner last season not taking 2 handeds

[lament star]

yeah it'\s disgustingly op

on the downside u dont get to shield rush for miles

there is a nice replacement tho. you can ring of shields + healing hands

the latter gets 75% cd recovery on healing allies so if shield is dmged u get another healing hands very quickly

[cursive rose]

yea i was doing that with my smelters build

invulnerable dash smelters triggers hh repeat

[lament star]

is smelter tanky ? reason i never touched it is because it doesnt feel hc viable

[waxen nymph]

Smelter Wrath?

[lament star]

yes

[cursive rose]

it can be

it doubles your armor while charging and has another node that does more armor and endurance

tanky i mean i dont know about HC

[lament star]

ngl what im scared about the most is DoT

my 1st shield bash FG died to lagon's beam

[cursive rose]

i used erased sent double experimental and implicant dot armor mitatgation gloves for like 75 armor applied to DOT

[lament star]

and it had tons of armor/block effectiveness BUT that doesnt naught vs dot

[terse burrow]

thats the thing, i dont think the beam is considered a dot, just an attack that hits at 0.1sec interval

a lot of attacks are like that

[lament star]

I VR'ed into it and maybe VR bugs the dmg taken not sure but i died instantly

wouldve known if i had the dmg on death screen back then

[inner gazelle]

do you think those ones are okay? cuz damn it will be like impossible to get tier 7 ward on treversal

[lament star]

🤷‍♂️ i never slammed a lp3 but i guess its fine

[inner gazelle]

yeah i guess just pray that cd doesnt go through lmao

[lament star]

cd is good tho ?

more void cleave more ward ??

its true that u can get cdr from passive too tho

[wise rune]

You really don't care about CD on world splitter builds

[lament star]

mmm it's always good to have more for void cleave imo. it's your mobility skill after all

[inner gazelle]

well cd is good too just hp would be nice too tho

[lament star]

how much mana do u have ?

[inner gazelle]

1600

lmao 2400 ward on one voidcleave

[lament star]

oh so it's still like 1.2k ward per cleave

[inner gazelle]

if im all low

[lament star]

u sure its one and not 2 ?

[inner gazelle]

1900 if im low mana mb

[lament star]

im basing my calc on your char proccing the void essence

[inner gazelle]

aaaah

[lament star]

should be more consistent since u'd play around having some mana instead of going negative

[inner gazelle]

that makes sense

[lament star]

now the question is how high can u go xD

[inner gazelle]

yeah obviously still quite a big amount to spam, now im wondering if i should get another charge on my void cleave instead guaranted crit

[lament star]

imo if u can get high crit without VC it'd be better since the echoes dont auto crit

[inner gazelle]

yeah thats the problem im working on, been unlucky with gloves and rings for my bonus crit chance

[lament star]

wait where are you putting points in VC ?

with 20 i can get both auto crit + void charge + traversal

[inner gazelle]

time rot and abyssal echoes

[lament star]

ah right

[inner gazelle]

sadly mandatory

[lament star]

oof u need +4VC

[inner gazelle]

yeaaah

[lament star]

or +3 with sentinel relic

[inner gazelle]

wanna see something funnt

[lament star]

lol VC is only on relic

[inner gazelle]

hurts

[lament star]

i mean once u get high crit it wont be a pb anymore

[inner gazelle]

thats true

thats why in farming for better rings, but farming shade is a pain in the .... cuz shades rings are quite important too

[lament star]

u could just have the 3 crit vuln node. would be good for bossing

[inner gazelle]

u mean blessing?

[lament star]

rift maker

that's +18% chance to receive crit if u do 3 void cleaves on the boss

up to 20% if u manage to fit another one in time

2% per stack and u can apply 3 with 3pts in the node

[inner gazelle]

well yeah but what do i take off in that case thats the problem

i cant take away time rot stacks

[lament star]

oh wow u have those too

i guess you'll have to stay with 2 cleaves ^^ shouldnt be a huge issue if u get cdr from passive tree

30% cdr is pretty nice

[inner gazelle]

true

what if i get the crit chance from champion of the forge instead of the bonus bleed/ingite chance

[lament star]

well that's a lot of cdmg if u have lots of str

doesnt fix ur crit chance tho

[inner gazelle]

it gives crit chance with 2h weapons

[lament star]

unless you have nothing it wouldnt be a lot

[inner gazelle]

god damn why is LP2 world splitter so rare id just slap melee crit chance + mana on that sunofabitch

[lament star]

are you maxing the mana cost on erasing strike too ?

[digital surge]

I have a 2LP anguish with 30% chance on hit and 30% doom pen

That the ring you mean?

[inner gazelle]

yeah anguish i do have problem is slamming it with crit chance and crit multi preferably

[digital surge]

Crit chance? Why? Wouldnt you want 115 melle void dmg?

[lament star]

with 60mana cost u should be around 18-30% crit

[inner gazelle]

well either or, would be nice having near 100% crit

my erasing costs 79.2

[digital surge]

Plus erasing strike auto crits off a void cleave hit

[lament star]

but the echoes do not

[inner gazelle]

yeah

[digital surge]

No but they hit a lot harder regardless

[lament star]

unless you slip VCs in between

[inner gazelle]

hmm

[lament star]

whats the % crit strike chance u get per mana

[inner gazelle]

i do have those two

not sure which one is more usable

[digital surge]

Furst one would do a TONN more dmg

[lament star]

left one hehe

[inner gazelle]

well yeah a lot more dmg

but a lot less mana lmao

[lament star]

farm more brother

[inner gazelle]

Abby dont care about dmg if you literally dont have the mana in last 30% hp lmaoo

[inner gazelle]

its the name of the game

[digital surge]

There is an infinite mana loop

With the 30% of max mana refund

[lament star]

depends on how mana hungry the build is. it has a cd

3sec

[digital surge]

T7 CDR on boots helps a lot

[inner gazelle]

yeah that for sure if only i have seen them lmaoo

[lament star]

damn the huge map before temple in the last act lags so much

i switched to a ryzen 7700 today and it still lags. i think memory leak ?

[digital surge]

What kind of crits are you guys getting for erasing strike?

[lament star]

that build died :>

[inner gazelle]

like 3-3,5mill

on the high end

[lament star]

all my build died this league. i think its a bit overtuned compared to last league

[inner gazelle]

julra 100lvl feels defenitely overtuned lol

[lament star]

and a few dumb deaths because i didnt optimize the defenses

[inner gazelle]

or a death due to looking at nemesis items and then you get one tapped by the spire

[lament star]

ah that happened once on my lv25 warlock but it was a teleporting insect that critted me

[digital surge]

Im super impressed by the fast HC abberoth kills. 1 shot at it and they nail it. Woukd HAVETO have played a ptr or something cos going in without experience or knowing the fight spells at least 1 desth

[lament star]

the power of theorycrafting

[fallen onyx]

Damage wise how does this one compare to Rive VK? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shield-bash-forge-guard-guide

[lament star]

dmg wise it's insane

but its expensive af to build

[fallen onyx]

I used to the insanity that is Falconer so..

[lament star]

u cant lvl with it

im doing a forged weapon build till i can switch

btw the set helmet for forged weapon is hidden op for lvling 😛

[fallen onyx]

As far as melee builds go im working on Rive VK and Frost Swarmblade

[lament star]

for lvling ?

[terse burrow]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

i might have a problem.

[pearl warren]

hey, i just started a cold melee swarmblade last night! how is yours going?

[fallen onyx]

its level 45 i love the mobility and speed it has

[digital surge]

Apathy maw or world??

[turbid dome]

If your doing no cooldown erasing strike, world splitter

[digital surge]

Im concerned about mana issues is all

[turbid dome]

You stack mana and get 100% crit chance on erasing strike and the 100% chance to get a void essence on critical hit

Then use the void well passive to set your mana to 30% of your pool when you hit negative mana.

Since your stacking mana 30% should be enough for 3 more erasing strikes to keep bonking

@digital surge I forgot to tag you in my previous message