🔱┃sentinel

[frigid hatch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Oremika/character/Remitobi
I see like a dozen or so people doing this on the ladder. Bit different than the usual divine bolt build. Any thoughts? Can't really find any info on it

[waxen nymph]

That affix drain your life, and gives you ward per MISSING health.
If you leech to full health all the time you are not getting a lot of ward from tit

[brittle grove]

thats what i'm trying to test by trying to find a high tier item of it, it drains your life and you gain ward equal to it, at t5 you lose 10% life but since you gain the missing health as ward i'm, not sure if its worht it which is what i want to test

i'm just trying to find more defensive layers, the easiest would be a 2 lp titan heart slam, but i havent even seen a non LP titan heart so far and i'm cruising around 900 corruption for a while now

[turbid dome]

You gain ward equal to % if missing life, not equal to the life it drains

Using that with leech makes it basically worthless

[brittle grove]

yeah i wrote it correctly in the 2nd part 😄 but yeah already guessed as much, just wanted to test since harbs are getting difficult at 900 corruption and i still havent bonked down abbaroth

[turbid dome]

Go murder abbaroth and yoink his chest armor

[brittle grove]

i had considered the armour, but i need at least 1 LP to hit +4 erasing strike.
problem is, during the entire league i only found 1 singular +4 ES chest (or +3 at that, cause i have found 0 of those) and abbaroth refuses to die since i instantly get bonked by him

[olive saffron]

that feeling when you're farming 1k corruption and getting 1-2 LP items instead of gambling 0 LP at nemesis

[brittle grove]

even 0 lp titan hearts evade me somehow

[turbid dome]

The exalted +4 is such a mood

I’ve only found +4 lunge, like 4 times

[tribal crane]

@winter copper mind sharing your shield bash fg planner?

[brittle grove]

+4 ES sadly is 60k tooltip dps so dropping it at 900 corruption is impossible. on the other hand every single boss is a "no hit run" cause 3,3k health and crit immunity aint enough

[vestal mirage]

Gm sent enjoyers

[vestal mirage]

Not Misha but this is what I'm running atm. I'm only running the ring because I got super lucky with a random 4lp https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVvj5MgA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (13) / Forge Guard (50) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,227, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 140.93, Regen: 10.41/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 81 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 9 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 160% / 126% / 130% / 92% / 113% / 78% / 35%
▸ EHP: 10,970 / 10,970 / 10,970 / 17,336 / 12,243 / 12,243 / 7,835

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 102%, Threshold: 445
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (47)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (4,953)
▸ Block Chance: 54%, Mitigation: 71% (4,553)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 57%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (21)
• Shield Rush (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Ring Of Shields (21)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Titan Heart
• Monument of Protection
• Horns of Uhkeiros
• Foot of the Mountain
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[vestal mirage]

Titan heart is just because I haven't found a better exalt yet

[brittle grove]

welp, just moaned about it and there is a +3 to slam stuff with

[vestal mirage]

Huge

[mighty cedar]

Could I get some help with my build? I just got to empowered monos and am struggling (the last ruin fight was a struggle too but I managed)

[brittle grove]

just post the planner, chat usually sorts it out

[mighty cedar]

Thanks https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGEO1ZnA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 82

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (55) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,162, Regen: 28.41/s
▸ Mana: 99.41, Regen: 10.28/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 4 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 141% / 91% / 79% / 86% / 94% / 119%
▸ EHP: 3,646 / 3,646 / 3,646 / 4,587 / 3,646 / 3,646 / 3,646

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 287
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (90)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,469)
▸ Block Chance: 44%, Mitigation: 57% (2,402)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Shield Throw (22)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Blade of the Forgotten Knight

[vestal mirage]

It's more than likely defensives. Crit avoid/crit damage reduction is huge

[brittle grove]

first thing i see, extremely low health for empowered monos, 1.1k is nothing basically,

[vestal mirage]

Dots will absolutely nuke you at that hp

They're a bit overtuned atm and the most dangerous thing

[bleak breach]

poison nemesis dude says hello

[brittle grove]

on a little bit of spiteful note :
set items are dead af nowadays , try replacing it with something else fitting your build

[vestal mirage]

Poison nemesis haunts me in my dreams

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, the dots are what get me right now, that and anything that drops stuff from the sky

[brittle grove]

tell him to stay where he is and not come closer

[turbid dome]

Poison nem is a little less scary if you overcap your poison res by like 30-40%

[quiet hearth]

not really, he's still a menace even then

[vestal mirage]

So far I have lost 2 nemesis loots to dying to poison. If you don't have some way to stun lock him it can be very sus

[quiet hearth]

my main thing is he spams his two aoe poison circles constantly

[bleak breach]

he was really just an issue when i tried to face tank the poison stuff, now i just take an extra 20 seconds to kill him and i'm fine

[vestal mirage]

Yeeeeah

I wonder how many kills he has

[turbid dome]

He’s a menace but you don’t start taking more damage from poisons inherent negative resistance modifier

[quiet hearth]

I hate how so many things have shred in this game

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

quick side question : never used rune of ascendance, i guess you cant roll LP with it?

[turbid dome]

You can

[vestal mirage]

It's just rare

[bleak breach]

does CoF affect that?

[vestal mirage]

Best thing to use them on is WW relics imo

[brittle grove]

well then, i have 383, time to roll some copper plates for titan heart i guess

[turbid dome]

Lol

[bleak breach]

jesus, how do you have so much, do you never use them?

[vestal mirage]

You can filter by CoF tag now. So just put a filter for all normal/rare/exalted relics with a cof tag and ascend your heart out

[brittle grove]

do i need the exact item base like in poe, or can i use any rare body armour?

[vestal mirage]

Idk if boss drops can roll from them

[amber depot]

Can someone tell me why in the paladin build people always have Volatile Reversal as a skill? I don't see any use for it.

[bleak breach]

i meant does CoF increase LP chance on uniques from ascendance

[vestal mirage]

Wait that's not a boss drop nvm

[brittle grove]

last league i didnt know they existed. and this league i had no incensetive (me neo englando) to roll it. so first time using them and idk how i have that many, just blasting monos

[bleak breach]

haha, fair enough

[brittle grove]

it's no boss drop, you probably think of core of the mountain https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=titan heart&in_description=1&exact_match=0

[vestal mirage]

Yeah that's what I was thinking of

[brittle grove]

so before i start i gotta ask again cause reasons, do i need the exact item base or is normal body armour enough ? and can it be rare ?

[vestal mirage]

It just has to be a body iirc

[bleak breach]

any body armor will work

[brittle grove]

well then off to my old buddy artem the gambler, havent visited since version 0.6 or so

first hit 0 lp titan heart, neat

[vestal mirage]

Lop are you cof

[obtuse perch]

Not a bad set of gloves to start with. Now I just need to roll for a second phantom grip.

[brittle grove]

of course

[vestal mirage]

If you use them on a cof tagged item, you have a chance to save the rune

They added a filter option for that so you can easily tell if a dropped item is tagged as cof or not

[bleak breach]

wait what, when was that a thing

[vestal mirage]

It's a perk in early cof

[quiet hearth]

it is not a common occurence

[bleak breach]

ohno, i've prolly wasted so many runes XD

[brittle grove]

it can roll LP 😮 got a 2 LP yruns wisdom on 5th rune, NOW GIMME 2 LP TITAN HEART

[vestal mirage]

It's only like a 35% chance to save or something but it does add up

[quiet hearth]

sure, if you find a lot of them

[bleak breach]

can you filter in the loot filter for cof stuff? cuz then i could just store a bunch of extras specifically for those runes

[magic panther]

whats this about runes and faction?

[bleak breach]

oh wait yeah that's what drew said

[tribal crane]

why titan heart?

[mighty cedar]

Thanks all, yea i know res need to be scaled but honestly it’s my dmg. It just doesn’t feel good anymore. Yes DoTs suck and I hate that harbinger hah. HH dmg immunity is basically used on CD haha. I jsut replaced that set items set (necklace and shield) still trying to get a decent weapon which is why I still have it. Sooo suggestions are, more health, him up my extra dog taken from Crits, was that all?

[vestal mirage]

I haven't found a better exalt to replace it with. The hp it gives is nice

[runic lava]

is 'the last laugh' sword any good?

[quiet hearth]

I mean it can be

[magic panther]

I think the 15% kill threshold is, can save some points in skills to be placed elsewhere.

[quiet hearth]

I can imagine with nemmy it can REALLY be tho

[mighty cedar]

What was 1 item o should replace asap? (The set item weapon?)

[brittle grove]

1 LP titan heart, getting closer

[haughty canopy]

only thing i can think off is rive and you focus on 3rd crit and echoes

[magic panther]

But the base and the other stats, you'd want a really good Nemesis roll, or 2-3 lp slam.

Yeah, and it also being a 2h weapon really limits what builds it can be used for.

[quiet hearth]

nemmy marophage, titan heart, inevitable boots,armor clad, just taking like..50% less dmg taken when swinging at people

[summer shell]

I feel like 15% cull is super weak right now in le with boss ward, it's realistically more like a 3% cull lol

[magic panther]

the bosses still have the same EHP as they did before

[summer shell]

Yeah but the ehp is no longer tied to max hp

[vestal mirage]

I'm gonna be sending all my runes tonight to try for more sentinel ww relics. Prayge

[magic panther]

And now with super tanky harbingers, that 15% cull will be a godsend for most who struggle with harbys

[summer shell]

So if boss has 1m hp 3m shield you're doing 150k cull instead of 600k

[obtuse perch]

Yup, equipping this increased my ignite stacks by about 50%.

[magic panther]

I see what you're saying yeah.

[summer shell]

Would actually be insanely cool if it was a 20% cull and could skip the last shield on bosses

[magic panther]

because the cull is being based off the base hp, not hp + ward total.

[summer shell]

Ya exactly

[magic panther]

Regardless, I think Last Laugh could be good, but you'd have to work it to make it a good replacement for most anything, and the benefit may not be all that great in the end anyway.

[waxen nymph]

It varies a bit from boss to boss but it's roughly 75%of the boss hp

[summer shell]

If it's really ehp of 1.75 hp that's a lot stronger but it's still not crazy, I feel like after the last shield is pretty much a victory lap

[quiet hearth]

it still kinda feels bad, I think the ward needs to decay just a tad faster

[summer shell]

It definitely decays weirdly slow. Barely feels like a boss rush nerf and more of a pure boss hp buff

[quiet hearth]

it's not that bad, but I think they just need to tweak it based on how much is disappearing. Less dmg in a certain window means more ward decay

[warped helm]

AE single target huh, thats interesting, that sounds very mana hungry though

[summer shell]

Final boss still died day one lol. Personally I don't think it's that big a deal to have stupid 1c zhp exploding totem type builds that can only boss and just say oh well

[mighty cedar]

You’ve probably answered about my post early but it’s lost in all the replies hah. (I’m also at work so I come back here and lose it) haha did you have any suggestion other than reduced crit dmg and health? (What should I look to replace my weapon with?)

[warped helm]

need a javelin opinion, running flat on rings and amulet, most likely relic too, i only have 1LP liraka's and a 247 flat damage spear, i can probably skip flat damage on liraka's for attack speed?

124 ish from spear, about 90 from jewellery... oh and i forgot belt too... yeah nvm answered my own question

[quiet hearth]

I didnt even see it and I dont think you tagged me before so I dont know what you're asking here

[magic panther]

with a good exalt, you could get flat and attack speed, iirc.

[warped helm]

hence "i only have 1lp ones" right now, but yeah back to farming

[summer shell]

Is there any other weapon with throwing speed?

[magic panther]

aight, gl, Ginnie

[mighty cedar]

No but, you can get weapons that say “attack speed”

[mighty cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGEO1ZnA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 82

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (55) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,162, Regen: 28.41/s
▸ Mana: 99.41, Regen: 10.28/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 4 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 141% / 91% / 79% / 86% / 94% / 119%
▸ EHP: 3,646 / 3,646 / 3,646 / 4,587 / 3,646 / 3,646 / 3,646

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 287
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (90)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,469)
▸ Block Chance: 44%, Mitigation: 57% (2,402)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Shield Throw (22)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Blade of the Forgotten Knight

[summer shell]

That's what I mean, do those exist?

[mighty cedar]

Ones that state just atk speed? Yes… unsure if it’s a pre or suf but many set or uniques do

[magic panther]

nothing with just throwing attack speed but lastepochtools item db you can search for attack speed, I see a bunch with attack speed rn

Chronostasis has global attack speed. The others are variations of melee etc.

[vestal mirage]

Does attack speed affect throwing? I did not know that

[magic panther]

yeah

[mighty cedar]

Yes it has to say “attack speed” as that is global

[summer shell]

Yeah there's prob some good ones but I feel like that wep will take him pretty far. Id worry more about replacing those non exalt slots

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it was a bit lol. Definitely couldn't pop VC+AE on cooldown, but still often enough that bosses didn't feel super sluggish

[quiet hearth]

ngl, I literally havent slept so it looks fine but Im not able to give good details right now

[simple raven]

god i hate the hitbox of the stoneheart titan -_- died because my character couldnt get in melee to hit it, instead just wandered around it 😦

[mighty cedar]

I just got to empowereds and it’s rough. My dmg just feels trash now. Even those lvl 90bosses were rough. I get my health I’ll try to work. Probably swap out some of those over capped res for stuff like that

[magic panther]

some hitboxes for melee chars on bosses really sucks yea

[quiet hearth]

empowereds are alos 18 lvls above you, get some levels

[warped helm]

i guess given it has an entire skill tree and also stacks infinitely? guess you can support it better than future strike/doom/rot

how do ravaging auras work though, do they work with any of the cleave multiplicative modifiers or only ravaging ones?

[simple raven]

i really dont understand how it can be hard to make the hitbox 1% larger than the model -_- would eliminate all of these problems

[mighty cedar]

Okay that’s a fair point haha. Thank you 🙂 just trying to get him to a place I can farm stuff for other builds

[magic panther]

Oh, have you considered the Monument axe/shield for your throw/bash build?

[mighty cedar]

I desperately wish future strike scaled….. I’ve gotten it before that I could get like 10-15 per attack on someone but, it just isn’t viable

[quiet hearth]

I mean, run around in the lvl 90 normies for a bit, nothing wrong with it while you get your exp if empowered is too rough

[summer shell]

Best thing imo would be a t7 inc void dam/armor shred wep and then replace most of those idols with more HP, 12% crit multi is weak block effectiveness is weak and if u can roll shred on a weapon it'll be more than all those idols combined. Void res shred blessing from black sun would probably also be a huge dps gain unless u have another source of pen or shred

[mighty cedar]

Thank you very much!

[warped helm]

yeah it'll be "just another dot" on the target not really focusing on it

[mighty cedar]

When you say “is weak” do you mean my numbers are or just those mods in general are weak

[mighty cedar]

I mean ignite and frostbite build work just fine so it’s interesting that you can’t also make that work

[summer shell]

It's probably never worth over two hp idols, they just take up a ton of space

[magic panther]

he's talking about your numbers, Broodboy.

[summer shell]

Oh also

[summer shell]

The final node on base tree 30% attack speed with swords or axes works on throwing attacks it's very strong

[mighty cedar]

I did know that, I might need to redo my passives. (Let me do that real fast and get tori thoughts)

[magic panther]

oh yeah, thats true, it gives a global attack/cast speed buff.

[summer shell]

U also definitely wanna drop 1 point in the crit mult node on void knight it's a ton of multi for a single point of investment

[alpine canopy]

Yes, rav aura is a true subskill of void cleave, so it inherits the attribute scaling and all applicable multipliers in VC

[summer shell]

60% crit multi for u right now for a single point. Insane!

[quiet hearth]

too bad it doesnt respect the fire conversion

[simple raven]

please nemesis, bless me!

[alpine canopy]

If it did, it would be a pretty neat combo with judgment... though the sceptre gives void pen

[quiet hearth]

It still is with the sceptre, you can use VC to shred armor and fire and the aura still does a lot of dmg

[mighty cedar]

Okay this is what lvl 100 would look like with some re-arranging. Thoughts?

[brittle grove]

gl!

[mighty cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYlzazJB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 82

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (55) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,162, Regen: 28.41/s
▸ Mana: 99.41, Regen: 10.28/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 4 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 141% / 91% / 79% / 86% / 94% / 119%
▸ EHP: 3,646 / 3,646 / 3,646 / 4,587 / 3,646 / 3,646 / 3,646

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 287
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (90)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,469)
▸ Block Chance: 44%, Mitigation: 57% (2,402)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Shield Throw (22)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Blade of the Forgotten Knight

[alpine canopy]

Armor shred doesn't help rav aura nor consecrated ground

[quiet hearth]

you are still hitting people with VC, Abyssal, and judgement smack, it's a noticable increase in overall dps

[brittle grove]

nemesis keeps going with bangers

[alpine canopy]

Not enough to be worth the points, you can pretty much dump all of them in more damage multis

[quiet hearth]

considering I have done it, it absolutely is worth it lol

[alpine canopy]

It's not if you're really focusing on the DOTs

[quiet hearth]

They hit hard enough it's a noticeable increase, and remember the fire VC applies fireshred as well

[mighty cedar]

I really wish future strike would work. Maybe if there were more sources of it but it’s jsut not viable. Suppose it would be on a dot build as supplemental

[warped helm]

ooo alright, sounds enticing enough since the sceptre seems rather strong

[simple raven]

nemesis imo is one of the best addition to the game. especially since its evergreen. its always usefull, from level 1-100 and beyond

[brittle grove]

100% aggree, and in endgame gives 0 lp uniques another chance. only thing better is the addition of the dodge roll, goated league for sure

[mighty cedar]

God dodge roll is the best QOL ever…. Especially for Sent

[simple raven]

100% giving 0lp more or a purpose is great! and dodge is amazing. now we just need more/better endgame contant than just monos 😄

[brittle grove]

i'm playing gw2 for over a decade now and not having a dodge roll in other mmo's makes them unplayable for me now. i just need that 1 single button

having it in an arpg? even better

[mighty cedar]

My fave GW was the ones before GW2… I loved ritualist

[alpine canopy]

Here's my really bad/lazy planner if you want to see how I ran it. The idea is you basically just warpath 100% of the time (you can numlock it if you want, I do that for bosses) and occasionally use VC to pop the aura + AE and use VR on beefy targets. ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP5m1a6A

You would be able to get a few more AEs out on bosses if you direct cast them instead of only using the VC proc, but I was lazy and this worked well enough

[obtuse perch]

TIL Glyph of Envy can also add sealed affixes.

[sterile latch]

Oh right u can dual wield with the new scepter but it has to be a sword so i guess palarus gives the most spell dmg

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the void set sword works pretty well, but the smite procs are actually pretty nice and it supports LP

[sterile latch]

It gives u something to do with void cleave on cooldown @alpine canopy

[mighty cedar]

I am honestly so tragically sad at the throw smit nerfs

[warped helm]

yeah clever use of palarus there, ok for some reason i was thinking it also removed the cooldown of void cleave, which is why i had the idea of "spamming" it to apply the other DoT's

maybe you would have to add some damage nodes on warpath to make the dots stronger

but then it turns into a warpath build quite heavily.. will have to think some more

and i guess smite outdoes everything in terms of DoT applications as well lol

[mighty cedar]

Why

[warped helm]

250% more damage which affects dots smite applies

[mighty cedar]

You said application not damage

[cerulean sorrel]

what faction is the best this cycle?

[mighty cedar]

Does that include stuff like your global doom chance? If the skit is the one that applied it that doom tick is applied at 250?

[warped helm]

from my understanding yes that is how it works and as far as i know lower value dots are also overwritten if theres a cap like 4 for doom

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, smite's generic damage multi applies to ailments it inflicts. For ailments with a cap, the oldest ailment is deleted when new ones are applied

[warped helm]

flat void damage only applies to RA and AE right, despite them being a DoT mechanic? or same for TR Doom and future strike and i cant see it?

[obtuse perch]

Pog

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, added spell damage only applies to your spells like RA and AE. Doom, time rot, and future strike are not spells.

[brittle grove]

crafting working for once

[mighty cedar]

Which is exactly why AE dot is viable as it’s flat dmg can be scaled

[wise ruin]

Hello everyone
im a new player
i was sent here from general because iwanna make a warpath build that uses warpath to cast spells.
how would i go about doing that cause it sounds mad fun

[turbid dome]

You can auto cast smite while spinning

[lament star]

well guides exist on maxroll/lastepochtools/youtube

for your build you need a palarus (unique sword), vortex penance (relic) and cast smite on throwing attacks

since it's gated by uniques, i;d recommend leveling with Rive instead

[wise ruin]

so i can i refund my passives?

[lament star]

yes you can but you can't change mastery

[wise ruin]

aaah alright cool

[turbid dome]

Go to the mind icon person in town for passive point respec

There’s a remove skill point button in the skills tree

Can’t change mastery

[lament star]

you can use your point in other trees tho and even get skills from other masteries

[wise ruin]

so dont lvl with warpath?

[lament star]

well it's not the fastest but if you really want to play that you can

[wise ruin]

i mean il try rive if you recommend it first

is there like general lvling guide for sentinel or no?

[turbid dome]

Rive is just a solid skill plus it doesn’t cost mana

[lament star]

go on maxroll there are guides there.

[turbid dome]

^

[wise ruin]

thanks 😄

[lament star]

lots of info there

even youtube will help for basics

[quiet hearth]

get time and faith, get 2h wpn, use rive, profit

[turbid dome]

Maxroll makes great guides, their probably not the most bestest builds overall, but they explain everything for how the build works

Plus I like their visual formatting

[wise ruin]

what mastery would i have to take for the cast spells and warpath build

[quiet hearth]

those are all base sent things

[lament star]

paladin is a good choice. void knight is more exotic but less tanky

[wise ruin]

and i like paladins 😛

[turbid dome]

Embrace the void!

[wise ruin]

NEVAAA
ive decided to go for thesummoner one

[turbid dome]

Forge guard gaming

[vestal mirage]

Summoner is pretty fun. Shield bash is another fun option if you get the axe

[lament star]

the implicit is op

[vestal mirage]

Dang I'm jealous. Those are nice

[lament star]

i have 48% armor to dot mitigation with decayed skull

[brittle grove]

i trade you 10 boardman21 sets for it

[lament star]

so about 30% dot mitigation

if i use the sentinel relic that'd make me super tanky

[vestal mirage]

You should use that relic tbh. It's really good

It can be annoying trying to get decent rolls tho

[lament star]

well i need crit on my shield bash

[brittle grove]

code of an erased sentinel got removed from the game with 1.1, i'm sure of it, seen only 1 the whole league

[vestal mirage]

What % crit are you at rn? I'm only at like 46% atm

[lament star]

i just slammed my monument and i got crit multi and stun chance... i wanted crit chance

20% melee crit

[vestal mirage]

Oof

[lament star]

im cooking bro

[vestal mirage]

Flat melee chance is huuuge. My axe has +5 melee and % crit

[lament star]

how much crit u got without axe ? withtout implicit*

i got 320% crit multi tho. not gonna do much if i dont crit

[vestal mirage]

I would have to check when I get home. At work rn

[lament star]

my endurance is garbo tho/ 32%

[quiet hearth]

yeah, endurance is at a premium right now, it's so hard to get

well for us, primalist practically trips over the stuff

[lament star]

its not really for me. i can just swap belt

[vestal mirage]

Dang. I was looking at core of the mountain and it only drops in t4 arbor. Is that chest even worth going for?

[lament star]

well not really unless you go for lp

[vestal mirage]

Going for LP on that sounds like pain

12% drop from t4 lol

[simple raven]

i got one today. 0lp but cooking in a nemesis

[vestal mirage]

Huge gl

[simple raven]

not holding my breath tbh xD

[vestal mirage]

Nemesis gives and he takes but usually he just takes because he's a jerk

[lament star]

wdym ? u die to it ?

[vestal mirage]

I have a few times in the past. I mean usually he just doesn't give you what you want

[brittle grove]

especially the green one, he is a superjerk

[vestal mirage]

Fr

[radiant jolt]

I just picked up a Ravenous Void on my spellblade. Which Sentinel build would you guys run with it?

or works well with it a guess

[lament star]

green one is insane im sweating even on my shield bash build

[simple raven]

weee. almost perfect. close enough for me

[brittle grove]

pretty much all of them

[quiet hearth]

[lament star]

i need to lower game sound. it's dink donk all day and night

[candid birch]

what about a forge weapon build with Phantom Grip? Asking for a friend

[brittle grove]

i actually want adaptive vfx. the more dmg your bonk does, the louder and deeper your a bell will ring (yes i do play erasing strike oneshots)

[brittle grove]

i mean why not? your ring slot is taken, not your glove slot

[lament star]

u just reminded me of this

[brittle grove]

and i just reminded myself of the BAM addon from vanilla wow back in the day 😄

[lament star]

whats bam

[candid birch]

not sure if ravenous void works on Forge weapons?

[brittle grove]

the BAM addon was an addon rogues downloaded mostly. it was one of the dumbest things ever. everytime you did a crit (and rogues did crit a lot) you got a BAM as sound and chat message. later on you could play that sound over teamspeak as well, it was one of the most obnoxious things ever

[lament star]

why would u want that tho ? @candid birch

[simple raven]

ofc i put my chest into the nemesis, and then go 8 monos without a nemesis xD

[candid birch]

its about the opportunity cost of losing the other stuff for my forge weapons

[turbid dome]

I would die with a full crit es world splitter build if I had BAM

[brittle grove]

just get 4lp, duh. jokes aside, forgott about that fact, so maybe not

[mighty cedar]

If you could get access to 1 other classes ability as a sentinel what would it be

[brittle grove]

meteor, to bring back good ole firestorm CoC paladin

[candid birch]

I'll probably stick my Ravenous Void in a Nemesis and see what happens..

[brittle grove]

just send it to me, my voidknight will take good care of it 👀

[candid birch]

before or after the nemesis bricks it? 😄

[brittle grove]

do it after, my line for nemesis is long, got 30 titan hearts in que

[candid birch]

Anyway, I just beat the Harbinger of Tyrany after Harton and couldn't kill his Idols because my Forge Weapons can't reach them and the kill Harton before I can do it myself.. Are any other Harbingers as bullshity as that?

[mighty cedar]

I would probably do something like flame reave/ fire brand OR shurikan

[candid birch]

I still need myself some Titan Heart..

[lament star]

ngl the reduced dmg taken on block looks kinda op ?

[candid birch]

my current armor leaves a lot to be desired..

[vernal scroll]

How high a Rive VK can expect to go in corrupt ?

[brittle grove]

that is probably the worst one, imo at least

on the titan heart : i spend over 300 ascendancy runes and got about 1:10 for titan hearts after not seeing any at all this league outside of that

[candid birch]

oh, will try the rune thing, thanks. Not that I have 300 😄

[brittle grove]

1:10 doesnt seem too bad, and then you can always throw em to nemesis

[simple raven]

bah, it gave me +mana xD

:/

[mighty cedar]

Am I right in assuming the only way for a “smite electrify” (using shield throw) would be just cast smite on throw + the hit chance from something like ladle (assuming eruption for shield throw) or using Aurelia and just not having good optimization?

[simple raven]

plus side next run in LH got me another one, but only 1LP 😦

[lament star]

wow

i VR again in the beam

was instant tho it's crazy

i guess some dots are just too strong

[cerulean sorrel]

is there a fix to mana starved forging not making throw hammer 0 mana

[candid birch]

Apprantely I had Titan Heart at home drop just now

[brittle grove]

rigged

[lament star]

imagine slamming it on an actual titan heart hehe

[candid birch]

Now imagine smasing that onto a titan heart..

sad thing its an augury plate

[lament star]

just slam it

i had this too on my FG that just got sent to standard

[candid birch]

need a heart with LP first

[brittle grove]

they dont exist, trust me

same as codex of an erased sentinel

[lament star]

they do wdym had couple lp1 and 1 lp2

[brittle grove]

fake news

[candid birch]

Guess what I just found in my stash

[lament star]

anyway i guess im done with the cycle. everything is made to be unbearable

i played the tankiest build and still died to lagon beam

[candid birch]

when you mistime julras implosion...

[vestal mirage]

I usually wait an extra second or two just in case. It's painful when that happens tho for sure

[simple raven]

hides the fact he has vendored 10-20 Titan hearts in the last couple of days 😂

[candid birch]

sadly my titan heart did not get +75% Health

[simple raven]

sucks. would be amazing if it did 🙂

[candid birch]

yeah

[sullen lion]

i just gotta say. its utterly amazing that the force move on melee skill still isnt "fixed" it makes stuff unplayable for me at least. Anyone got a workaround for this?

[dark gorge]

what sentinel subclass is best suited to be support?

[turbid dome]

If you mean like a path of exile aura bot? None.

Paladin can heal and has a buff aura

[dark gorge]

more what gives damage boost/reduction, heal, atk speed etc

also crowd control

[turbid dome]

That would be Paladin with holy aura

Now granted it’s not gonna go well if you try to be pure support, so like be able to do damage by yourself

[dark gorge]

fair, thanks! paladin it is!

[warped helm]

warpath channeling cost is fixed over 1 second no matter how much attackspeed you have?

[alpine canopy]

Right, mana cost isn't affected by attack speed (and you can still reduce it to 0 if you want)

[mighty cedar]

Could a MA use smite if it was from an item it was wearing?

[candid birch]

@brittle grove

[warped helm]

alright, checking my options to respec my forgeguard, javelin even with a good sierpin "works" but the damage is still laughable unfortunately

not to mention the double situational damage scaling

[mighty cedar]

Does molten toss “shield throw does more fire dmg” apply to its subskill lava burst?

[obtuse perch]

Minions cannot use skills granted by items.

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I hear the splitting style jav is bugged. The rain of javelins works really well for bleed or electrify builds though, or at least it did in the past - idk how the smite idol change affects it.

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[warped helm]

idk if its bugged, i think the splits deal less damage for whatever reason but .. it clears well its just the damage is really lacking despite the hundreds of flat damage and good crit stats/speed already

sierpin doesnt add spears for the rain version though does it?

but at that point im just shifting damage nodes into mana cost reduction and making the clear more weird

[cold rose]

Does Judgement aura work with the Unarmed implicit of Hand of Judgement (+area per att)

Im wondering how deep can i go if i want a big ass aura

[winter copper]

aoe does scale but its not worth giving up wand

[cold rose]

maybe affixes?

[vestal mirage]

I tried going for big aoe shield slam with the area nodes but that also doesn't seem worth it at all. I want big slam!!

[mighty cedar]

Does the node Molten toss in shield throw apply to the Eruption lava burst as well or just the throw itself?

[sterile latch]

If ravenous void triggers and u don't cleanse the mimic hunger or whatever, you can't gain stacks again till 15 seconds later right?

Yeah ok nvm, reading the item explains it

[warped helm]

solid, swap to hammers to see how much more comfortable its gonna be til i figure out a respec, even still with spear equipped and nothing changed already quadrupled my damage lol

[vestal mirage]

Hammers are kinda op

[turbid dome]

Hammer 👍

[warped helm]

and javelin is just kinda ass the way you scale hit damage, oh also - no sierpin is not versatile, despite it scaling AoE with dex also and having +spears per 12 dex, no it does not work for raining javs 😔 unfortunate

[vestal mirage]

Rip

I am looking at maybe making a shield throw guy or a hammer guy (pref shield) but that would require leveling another alt and I cba

I'm already at 3 lvl 90+

[warped helm]

how do you even make shield throw work, is it the new shield

[olive saffron]

Stack +30 flat fire idols and pray for RNG

[warped helm]

retal shield throw, sounds kinda funny but probably terrible haha

[tacit garden]

Is smite on relics supposed to feel this rare?

[mighty cedar]

How does echos work with the shield throw node that causes the MA to do a mellee attack around it? do they also proc it?

[warped helm]

not rare for me at all, had a few even playing primalist, found like 8 since starting my sentinel yesterday

i dont think minions can echo? might be wrong

[mighty cedar]

nio

[tacit garden]

Interesting. I've been dumping cof into relics and finding nada

[mighty cedar]

i am taling about if the echo'ed shields will trigger the minions sweeping attack

[warped helm]

ohh, that im not sot sure about, but i know they can trigger ailments and on hit effects so probably?

wtf did TuRani always have 160% electrify pen? that looks so buffed

[waxen nymph]

Should

[turbid dome]

An echo counts as you, using the same exact skill so I’d assume it would proc it

[mighty cedar]

that has potential

lol that is kind of based

[steady summit]

Invisible health orbs... they sound helpful! Thanks for answering

[stone junco]

what should I use rune of ascendancy for? I'm playing FG and still leveling (51 atm)

[turbid dome]

Probably on a ring for the new forge guard ring (if your doing forged weapons)

[pliant cairn]

Been levelling up bleed hammers since yesterday, pretty fun so far 🙂

[sterile latch]

There's like 30 rings for rune of ascendancy tho and only like 6 2h axe or sword. And there's some decent axes and swords. The rings are just... hard to find

But they are more important. U can get by with an exalted crit mult weapon just fine to c300.

[vestal mirage]

Surely it's not that bad copium

I'm thinking of trying to make shield throw + smite work but we'll see

[mighty cedar]

show me what you got and I can give my 2 cents, I exclusivly play shield throw ha

[vestal mirage]

I haven't started my shield thrower yet :p soon tm

Not sure if I'll be leveling another soon as i just leveled my slammer

[warped helm]

idk if you play shield throw if you toss it on your minions, then youre playing MA tbh

[mighty cedar]

shield throwq can work on all 3 masteries

[mighty cedar]

You do NEED to run MA on all the builds so far yea but he doesn't always have to be there for dmg

[vestal mirage]

I have a 95 sorc, 90 minion forge, and 85 slam forge

Debating on changing my minion forge to shield throw or just making another char

[mighty cedar]

so with FG, you have like 2 paths

[vestal mirage]

Minions are cool and all but once you get to higher corr they just die

Which is an issue on bosses

[mighty cedar]

Yea thield throw has horrible bossing w/o MA

[vestal mirage]

What is MA?

[mighty cedar]

since you dont count as an ally for some stupid reason

[vestal mirage]

Is that the shield throw shield

[mighty cedar]

manifest armor

[vestal mirage]

Oh I see

I didn't realize you needed to bounce it off of your own guy. That's interesting

[mighty cedar]

You dont HAVE to but you miss out on DPS if you dont get him

[vestal mirage]

Do you not need ma if you're doing shield as a pally?

[rain skiff]

hey is the Harbinger of Dust debuff from Void Rift not working or just a visual bug? i dont see the debuff on the enemy

[mighty cedar]

Depends on what you are doing but ive never mathed out to NOT need MA

[vestal mirage]

I feel a little better about swapping my forge instead of making another alt now. Screw holy aura anyways

Are there any important passives you miss out on with forge

[mighty cedar]

alot of fire scaling but not like SUPER. You need to chooses between a minion focused (ma doing dmg) or you doing dmg

[sterile latch]

Does it scale off the MA's damage?

[mighty cedar]

Does what scale?

[sterile latch]

Shield throw

[mighty cedar]

no

[sterile latch]

Then why does it matter?

[mighty cedar]

but shield throw can proc and AOE sweep from the MA..... Because if you dont have MA you just hit a boss once, if y ou have MA, you hit it twice

[vestal mirage]

You need it to bounce between the ma and boss apparently

[mighty cedar]

Packs it isn't so important but bosses..... needed imo

[vestal mirage]

Do you mind sharing your build so I can get some ideas

I got a +33 throwing dmg sentinel relic which is why I've been thinking about making a thrower

[sterile latch]

Ok. As long as it's not ma doing the dmg

[mighty cedar]

he is jsut a meat shield

[mighty cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNv7Dr5o dont make fun of my trash items ha

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 82

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (52) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,257, Regen: 28.41/s
▸ Mana: 99.41, Regen: 10.28/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 4 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 141% / 91% / 107% / 99% / 101% / 127%
▸ EHP: 4,043 / 4,165 / 4,043 / 5,208 / 4,043 / 4,043 / 4,043

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 306
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (90)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (2,710)
▸ Block Chance: 44%, Mitigation: 57% (2,402)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Shield Throw (22)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

None

[vestal mirage]

Bash and throw? Interesting

[sterile latch]

How come you're not using the new shield? I know the maxroll one isn't either but theirs is smite shield throw

[vestal mirage]

I got one of those shields too which is why I've been thinking about this build

Why wouldn't you use that for smite throw?

[mighty cedar]

I have one but thje slam was bad, wanted block chance on it too, so this is higher =which is MORE dmg for ST

I plant o use it, still getting optimised

[sterile latch]

Well for smite throw it seems shield throw is just for casting smites

[vestal mirage]

Ah

[mighty cedar]

yes IU used that last

[sterile latch]

This shield scales throw dmg

[vestal mirage]

Makes sense ig

[mighty cedar]

The idlo buff weaes a large nerf to ST ha..... been trying to play around with a shield throw electrify build, we will see if I can make it work ha

[sterile latch]

I think the build really comes online with a well rolled sigeon's. 35% chance to cast it when u get hit since 100% block chance and u get like 50 extra throwing dmg

[mighty cedar]

fun fact but I am pretty sure that can echo too

[vestal mirage]

Don't make me level a void knight

[mighty cedar]

i did a VK exclusivvly to play around with echo shield throw

[vestal mirage]

How's it going so far

[mighty cedar]

just got to empowered, my gearing is trash thoguh

Dont you hate it when you press challenges instead of empower

[vestal mirage]

[mighty cedar]

also bash is there for blocks and extra richochets

[vestal mirage]

Ah makes sense

Kinda funny being over 100% block with all my buffs on my slammer

I'm currently 3 monos away of harbingers before I can start trying abby

But getting 3 monos from 100 to around 300....pain

[sterile latch]

Oh the later harbs require 300 corruption to challenge?

[winter copper]

its not at all if you push one timeline to 370-400

[vestal mirage]

To get through the quest

Seems like it grows by like 25 every quest

[sterile latch]

Yeah what misha said. Get one to a higher corruption

[vestal mirage]

My issue is I've swapped mains 3 times already lmao

[sterile latch]

One of mine is 300. I ate like 3 gazes and got another to 190 or something

[winter copper]

if you have one timeline to 370~ then u can push any other from 100 to 300 with 1 orobus kill by killing timeline boss there with needle and then orobyss

[sterile latch]

Finding orobyss is the hard part

[vestal mirage]

Yeeee

I also don't have any needles or envy glyphs atm sadly

[winter copper]

well they key part is to make sure that u need to find him only once

[vital light]

Does increased void damage affect apocalypse whirl node of warpath?

[sterile latch]

It'll affect warpath dmg that's void

[jaunty nacelle]

Does sentinel shard "+ melee physical damage if wielding a sword" count for 2H-swords?

[winter copper]

yes

[jaunty nacelle]

cool

[mighty cedar]

does this essentially mean 5% increased dmg for each attack within 4 seconds ? (recent beingt 4 seconds usualy)?

[fickle tulip]

Should be, and these stacks Usually fall off together.

[mighty cedar]

is it even possible to get 255/5.... 51 attacks per 4........ 12.75 attacks per second?

[turbid dome]

does that just count your attacks or do minions get counted

[olive saffron]

There is no buff timer but they fall off individually. It looks like hitting multiple targets counts for multiple buffs

Pets seem to do nothing fo rit

[mighty cedar]

so they all fall off 4 seconds after they are gianed then okay

Here me out..... buzz saw MA... with this baby ha

[sterile latch]

Wait what node is that?

[mighty cedar]

Its a unique axe

[olive saffron]

You could probably generate stacks pretty fast with warpath. The weapon itself isn't awful. The +flat is is between T5 and T6 equivalent and the IAS is T5 equivalent. Basically gets a bonus 3rd prefix for % increased phys that can theoretically go beyond a T7 phys

[sand wolf]

are there any melee attack speed on uniques or bases or affixes (general or sentinel specific) aside from weapon and glove slots? feel like im missing something

[olive saffron]

nothing sentinel specific

[sand wolf]

what about general uniques
oh god sorry for ping

[olive saffron]

they exist, but nothing particularly attractive. Vipertail, Murama's Hilt, Quicksilver Coil, Exsanguinous

[alpine canopy]

Jade amulet has melee attack speed, and frenzy can be gained/boosted by an experimental boot affix

[sterile latch]

There's some passive nodes/skill nodes that grant it.

[short viper]

also nihilis has 2-3.5s of frenzy on evade

[sand wolf]

whats nihils

[short viper]

i get over 200% AS pushing all the AS levers for VK

[mighty cedar]

jesus what is that item haah

[short viper]

it's dropped by the new pinnacle boss, reminds me of ventor's gamble from poe

[lone trench]

Can someone tell me why my Forge Guard feels so squishy? I am at Res Cap, 76% ArmorDR, 1.6k Life and it e.g. Avalances hit like a truck :X (Corr 195)

[sand wolf]

the last part of your post should answer your question. also not having a resist overcapped by at least 20% could be an issue. also 76%DR and 1.6k life is low for 200 corruption. Also avalanches being avalanches.

[sterile latch]

Yeah check the monolith modifiers too. When it's marked for death sometimes it's nice to have gear with "25% all resist while channeling"

[ionic spoke]

hey gang, thought id ask the sentinel chat since we like 2H weapons, when using a rune of shattering on a 2H sword to transfer stats to a Merophage, how many stats transfer over ? or rather, what're the chances of x stats being transfered

[jagged dune]

if im using polaris to cast smite for me can i upgrade smite in the skill specialization will it also upgrade the smite that polaris casts

[mighty cedar]

yes

[jagged dune]

perfect

[olive saffron]

It seems pretty random. I don’t know if there is detailed testing out there.

[open iris]

This sword seems pretty cool. Just going through and shattering my exalts i had forged up for slams

[sterile latch]

Yeah no idea the chances but rune of shattering just shatters up to the tiers on the item. U can shatter sealed affixes on too so merophage can theoretically get 5 affixes added.

All I know is I've shattered lots of swords and not gotten good merophages. It's unlikely to get even 10 affix tiers from shattering an item with 22

[open iris]

hmm yeh it doesnt seem to transfer it to the tier i had the sword forged to

[sterile latch]

Theoretical BiS may be merophage but you'll never get it

[open iris]

Oh dang it transfered a T6 armor shred just now, thats cool wih me haha

[vital light]

So the maxroll tool is really misleading

[sterile latch]

no idea what u mean but sure

[sand wolf]

Palarus's being your single source of Smite could become underwhelming quite soon, be careful

[jagged dune]

well im using it just because its ectra damage im mainly going for a hammer of dawn build

[sand wolf]

anyone good at counting here? trying to figure out if higher than 5/s average Smite proc rate via dualwielding Aurelis and Palarus's would be possible to achive and what attack rate would that be at

I managed to arrive at a 3.(3) attacks/s value so far with 50% chance roll on Palarus's
So that would be at ~300% attack speed

wait, Is "increased attack speed" a multiplier or a %of base attack rate added?
If it says 200% increased attack speed does the character attack at 2x the weapon attack rate or 100%+200%=3x attack rate? 🤔

[alpine canopy]

Your total increased attack speed is a multiplier on the skill's attack rate. Weapon base attack speed is a separate multiplier on that.

Warpath hits once every 0.341 seconds at base:

[winter copper]

300% attack speed? huh? did the game add t9 affixes?

[vestal mirage]

is anyone else not able to connect rn

could be i need to update

yee that was it nvm

[olive saffron]

I want more CDR. Judgement making me sad

[thick agate]

is this the proper channel to ask for tips on my hammerdin build?

[vestal mirage]

sure is

[winged pulsar]

Stand down or die.

[thick agate]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QekWvYKo

why I'am so squishy? I die in 1 out of 3 empowered that I try to complete. I know the build needs leach, but outside of that, I don't have a clue

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 80

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (6) / Paladin (52)

General:

▸ Health: 1,133, Regen: 84/s
▸ Mana: 114.65, Regen: 8.87/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 0 Dex / 1 Int / 0 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 121% / 178% / 66% / 89% / 90% / 204%
▸ EHP: 2,582 / 2,582 / 2,582 / 2,727 / 2,582 / 2,582 / 2,582

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 239
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,487)
▸ Block Chance: 57%, Mitigation: 48% (1,590)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 28%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Smite (20)

Used unique items:

• Salt the Wound

[vestal mirage]

classic

[turbid dome]

You want one of these two stats at 100% and the other at 0%

[vestal mirage]

avoidance is usually the easier of the 2 to get

[turbid dome]

Also how are you level 80 with 1k hp

[olive saffron]

probably a few bad suffixes somewhere

[thick agate]

well... Idk how to answer that too lol

[turbid dome]

Ah

[olive saffron]

your goal is basically to get crit immunity in 2 suffixes, just enough res (don't really even need cap), and then health/%health/hybrid health everywhere

[turbid dome]

Or one suffix and the lion hat

[olive saffron]

yeah you can cover it as sentinel with just helmet and boot implicits

sadly, both of those have a min lvl req of 85 so it won't help here

You could go get some levels/gear in non-empowered while getting your Spirits of Fire timeline blessing

[thick agate]

I'm using the maxroll loot filter. I, for some reason, think that its the second problem with my bad gearing, the first one being that I'm just a noob

[olive saffron]

I don't know their filter. It is very easy to learn the filter system at a base level though.

[thick agate]

yeah, I should learn that too

[magic panther]

It helps when you build it yourself, because if its not something you can recognize reasoning for, you'll be scratching your head. "Whats pink capitalized mean again?"

[olive saffron]

As if I don't just make every piece of gear that I want RED EMPHASIZED

[vestal mirage]

should i just make a pally if I'm wanting to go shield throw? I've got a minion 91 forge I could swap to shield throw.....but pally is prob just better

[magic panther]

lol, thats for my IDEAL rolls.

just red is for all the stats i want at any t4+ rolls

There's a lot of throwing attack and fire nodes in Forge Guard passive tree.

[thick agate]

Thanks for the help guys. I'll try to fix my resistances, hp, crit avoidance and look into learning to build my on loot filter. You are all awesome 🤍

[magic panther]

A bunch of idols with smite chance on throwing attack hit, smite, sigils of hope, judgement, volatile reversal.

could replace judgement with shield rush

That was my plan, anyway, before I got sidetracked.

[vestal mirage]

is there any point going healing hands if I'm not directly casting smite. hmm

[magic panther]

exactly

[vestal mirage]

help idk what to put on this

i don't want to mess it up

I haven't decided if I want to go a bleed or ignite based build

fire damage + ignite duration sounds like a pretty sick affix to add if I plan on going ignite

[turbid dome]

Health and vitality is always solid

Drop vitality for your main skill if your main skill +levels affix goes on chest

[vestal mirage]

ended up going for the ignite duration. we goin fire build bois

[turbid dome]

Ooo

[twilit valley]

Can’t slam anything cause dungeon door load screen time out error always after second door

[olive saffron]

laughs in offline

[mighty cedar]

hmmm if I wantred to go shield throw electrify..,... my only real source would be smite.... and then my hit chance no?

[olive saffron]

javelin has electrify nodes

[mighty cedar]

i know, wasn't my quesiton ❤️

[olive saffron]

your only sources of electrify are smite, healing hands, javelin, and melee attacks with Aurelis. If you're strictly throwing shields, then smite on throw is your only source

[mighty cedar]

mad alchemist ladel too!

[sterile latch]

Got to arena 180 with forge guard weapons, I can see I'm not tanky enough lol. Just got a lucky run with no embermages after getting slightly more tanky.

[coarse coral]

I'm trying to farm World Splitter at the moment. I've heard it drops from the black sun harbinger. Epoch tools also says it drops there from the Harbinger of Hatred. Harbinger of Defilement is what spawns for me. What gives?

[primal wedge]

What boss do you fight before harbinger spawns

[coarse coral]

Rahyeh

[primal wedge]

Well if defilement is there

Maybe abom is where your hatred is lmao

Outcasts 1st mono

[coarse coral]

rip, I'll try there then. Thanks!

[primal wedge]

Sounds like a bug if it's happening tho

[mighty cedar]

these rolled niceish

[sterile latch]

I'm just farming harbingers for the first time to challenge abby (why is it so long?) and finally got advents I wouldn't be too embarrased to be seen in public with

no movement speed = stash filler

[winged pulsar]

Nice boots

[vast elm]

Heads up sentinels; been testing monument of protection, the “melee damage to shield bash/rush” stats don’t seem to be applying right now, so when it’s fixed all our shield bash builds will be a lot better. I’ve been testing with 2 different monuments with varying ranges of the stats and there’s no damage difference

[gaunt abyss]

Is javelin any good yet?

[waxen nymph]

It has a few good builds already

Holy Trail
Siege Barrage +Smite Bleed

[gaunt abyss]

That makes me happy af. I love javelin builds since Diablo 2 and it's so rare to get a chance to use one in games it seems lol

[brittle grove]

dafrick is this??????

[gaunt abyss]

The sexiest chest I've ever seen, and yes, it includes what you're probably thinking

[winter copper]

could it be that you had so much block effect that it just didnt matter?

[vast elm]

Possibly! Either way they’re gonna look into it just in case. Was a flat +24 melee phys damage difference between the 2 monuments I used, and there was no difference in the dps on the dummy

[winter copper]

ye u can try to test it naked with only that axe and no ring of shields

that would show 100%

[runic lava]

is double shield forge guard the tankiest build?

[lethal needle]

You know I felt this without knowing exactly what it was. Swapped from a near min roll to a near max and thought hmm not much difference. Figured I just didn't have enough other % multipliers to make it noticeable

[haughty canopy]

is void smite and disintegrating aura good?

i mean if i get 4 idols 23% smite on throw

[waxen nymph]

You don't need 4 idols

Between the high chance and the cap

[rare widget]

boys am i tripping or does smite if converted to lightning damage still benefit from added flat fire dmg and other fire dmg boosts?

[fickle tulip]

Each flat damage is calculated separatedly

Like you can convert it to lightning, and get only +fire spell damage, and only %increase fire damage, then your smite will be mostly fire damage, except the base is lightning.

You can even go cold smite if you use those boots that give flat cold Spell damage and get a lot of %increase cold damage, just that the base lightning will not benefit from the %increase cold

[fickle tulip]

That's how people make those like Void sorcerer build, Void spellblade build etc, not particularly effective but still it can be scaled that way.

The lightning conversion only causes the genetic +spell damage from wand base, and the prefix from swords to become +lightning spell damage specific to that ability

[rare widget]

so would this basically make the smite deal more dmg?

cuz i dont play sentinel usually just wanted to play something else till my new pc arrives due to the fact my pc cant handle my marksman build XD so i decided to play warpath with smite converted to lightning but im not sure whether "global" fire damage increases will add to it or not

cuz like im already at 30k dmg per smite and kinda dont know how to scale it further (i dont have any LP items thats the only obvious scaling i can think of)

i wish someone just made LE PoB equivalent for this xd my brain cant compute

[waxen nymph]

Send your planner or a screenshot of your Smite tree

[waxen nymph]

That 1/5 Sacrifice is your biggest multiplier

[fickle tulip]

This wouldn't work, as it should only work on fire spells, but any fire melee or spell both work.

[waxen nymph]

The Flat in Sigil will apply. It doesn't specify Fire Skill

It Flat Fire Spell

[fickle tulip]

Oh ok! That is interesting

[rare widget]

ik i just currently dont have a way to sustain it thats why its only 1/5 + waiting for armor to get +2 to lightning skills

[waxen nymph]

So Lightning Smite will have a bit of Fire Dmg

[rare widget]

ok so basically i can still take advantage of sigils giving damage boost

[fickle tulip]

It would not be that significant, as if you have a lot of increase lightning damage, the 5 flat fire does not get increased at all.

But %increase spell damage, and the attunement scaling still applies

[rare widget]

okay great , thanks a lot

Also if smite is converted to void would the points after the lightning conversion still work?

since the lightning conversion node says that it has no effect if its converted to void , i assume its just the node itself its talking about right?

basically i can still proc lightning bolts even if its converted to void damage from my understanding right?

(proccing the lightning bolts isnt for dmg but for lowering mana to specific point for devotion amulet)

[fickle tulip]

It should work, could n't hurt to test tho

I have not used those nodes before

But the logic seems right

[rare widget]

cuz i was thinking of whenever i figure this out id most likely just reroll to vk since it seems to me it has better options for smite

cuz im currently just making the build up from scratch so im just testing interactions

[fickle tulip]

VK gets huge flat dmg, So you don't need devotion. But Pally has the +100% lightning Crit damage perk So I'd say it's like a toss up.

[rare widget]

i wish we had a damage calculator so hard for things like these 😭

[rare widget]

okay tested the void conversion for this atleast since i just leveled up and it does infact work

Also can procs be echoed ? if i dont directly cast smite but proc it from warpath is it able to get echoed?

[fallen onyx]

As far as melee setups go how does Rive VK compare to other?

[weary edge]

I find it fun, im just following a guide though. Me smooth brain.

Needing to farm Shade for most gear is a tad annoying too

[fallen onyx]

Im looking at several melee builds i have my ranged slot filled so that leaves melee

[weary edge]

Anyone else using volatile reversal and getting stuck in an animation after using it?

[primal oak]

Hey I got a question. Is smite hammerdin Paladin still relevant? I am 400 corruption and not having any issues just wanting to know if anyone else is running it

[winged pulsar]

Stand down or die.

[winged pulsar]

Smite hammer paladin is arguably the strongest starter for paladin. Maybe even the strongest late game too.

[sage dock]

how viable is forge guard? seems like a pretty unique melee type class but also seen a lot of stuff saying its clunky and can be pretty weak?

[winged pulsar]

Depends. You have a few build paths. Imo stuff with bleed is the strongest. Definitely can feel awkward compared to other classes in general.

[vestal mirage]

Bash go brr with the right setup. But you need a few uniques for it

I tried shield throw but wasn't a huge fan

[sage dock]

hmmm... was wanting a melee character that felt way different from d4 barb and that seemed like best option. still able to do the endgame stuff though right? like no issue with monoliths and pushing a decent corruption (dont care if it isnt like the S tier build hitting highest corruption)

[vestal mirage]

Bash is pretty sick if you build it right. You basically get more damage based on how tanky you are. But you need a few uniques for the build to pop off

My basher is doing 300 cor atm and the only dangerous thing are dots. But forge is decent about mitigating that damage

[sage dock]

Dots are nasty in this game. its kinda wild how fast they can melt you. ill give forge guard a go. thanks for the input

[tribal basin]

Someone made a Vid , Smelthers Wrath is not a Meme anymore

[sterile latch]

we're just bad at finding builds. Not enough experimenters outside the class channels

[shut glen]

Hello guys, do you know if "Event Horizon" works with forged weapon ? Can they stack Dilatation?

[sterile latch]

They don't work at all with event horizon

[shut glen]

Oh ... It's just exalted weapons then? I saw some builds with Apathys but I don't know why ^^

[sterile latch]

That's not what I said, they just don't work with event horizon

[shut glen]

Is there a list of unique weapons that doesn't work?

[sterile latch]

nah gotta test them individually. None of the skill casts work afaik

[shut glen]

I would like to try Sword Catcher for example

Ok so no proc unique weapon in general

[sterile latch]

Sword catcher I'm not sure about

[shut glen]

Yeah maybe for a support minion and you deal the damage ? Idk how to use it

[tribal basin]

Blame the people that got addicted to healing Hands and can only think Healing Hands

[shut glen]

I'm playing a shield bash build at 550 corrup and it works well, not the fastest but it's cool to be tanky ^^

I want to change now ^^

[sterile latch]

tbf they should've also mentioned the healing hands nerfs in the patch notes. Maybe people are operating under the assumption spell dmg from the node wasn't halved

[olive saffron]

Had to look it up. Like 600% crit multi and 32 mana regen a second. I want that gear.

[winter copper]

there is no way that build isnt bugged it wass tested with same skill tree both in 1.0 and in 0,9 with 2 2lp chronosttaziz ward setup which is way way more damage than that guy has and people were doing 10x less thant this guy with trash t7 mana exalted 2h axe

[mighty cedar]

I was trying tyo make electrify shield throw work, only thing that I could get to work was a ladel and electric smite lol

[olive saffron]

If I had to guess, this node isn’t properly capped as he waits way longer than 10 stacks of ignite.

[waxen nymph]

Or maybe instead of being 15% Additive with each other up to 150% its 15% multiplicative with each max 10 times

[winter copper]

most likely that, or the rings have another bug

[waxen nymph]

That bug is happening with Upheaval and Totems

[winter copper]

and previously with serpent strike

[waxen nymph]

True 😅

It's a bit frustrating to play smth and when performs really well having to wonder if it's bugged or not

[short viper]

just a bit lmao

[sterile latch]

Why are there only 12 nodes in forge guard passive tree that interact with forged weapons? Some of them half interact depending on your weapon

[winter copper]

also tbh for anyone who did math its obvious, since fully charged smelters wrath has only 2.5x dmg of ONE erasing strike with mace setup against high health slowed target and that thing with 2lp beacon does like 110k crits not 6 mln

[quiet hearth]

so you can use FS as a skill outside of minions

[mighty cedar]

not the worst roll

[quiet hearth]

the main issue with smelters is how long it takes to charge. Because it can hit the whole screen, I think we should be able to at least move slowly while using it

[mighty cedar]

Yo this rolled so well

[quiet hearth]

It didnt rolled double crit evasion of two opposing types

[winter copper]

nah the main issue of smelters wraith is that its melee, ehg repeatedly disregarded melee skills and made its unnecessary weak or clunky. so far 6 years and counting

[waxen nymph]

I would love for Smelter Wrath to be a "jump" attack

[mighty cedar]

oh lol I just read that lol

[waxen nymph]

You channel, gain range and aoe, jump and slam

[winter copper]

that would be cool

[quiet hearth]

PLenty of melee skills work, that is not smelters issue. I think though it should be like a moving and escalating channeled dot ability. Sort of like an RF on wheels that when you release it explodes

[winter copper]

they work, just super weak on the whole scale of the game, and the worst part is AOE just compare glacier aoe to any melee skill its laughable

or aoe of any mage build tbh

[quiet hearth]

They really aren't, that is a sign of spells being too strong not melee being too weak. People have killed the hardest content in the game with melee

Like melee needs work dont get me wrong

But half of melee suffering is all these ground effects

[winter copper]

thats the same thing to me😅 one is way stronger than other and not only that but has way better QOL

[quiet hearth]

Those are two separate things, I think melee is almost where EHG wants it to be damage wise, but they dont know what to do in order to bring spells down without making them feel bad. Besides, spells vs melee is always an issue in games like this.

[tribal basin]

Its a totally other gear setup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcjM64Ft3mA
Hiyah !

[winter copper]

are u implying its legit? cause multipliers are just not there m8 as i said above fully charged SW does 2.5 x dmg of erasing strike and that one doesnt hit nearly as much

[tribal basin]

i cant see any Bugs or weirdness in the skill trees myself , its just a ton of Pen , Armor shred and so on and an honestly pretty bonkers Nemesis Axe

[winter copper]

yep its the same tree that somehow magically started dealing 10x damage in 1.1 😅

[sterile latch]

Thanks for linking the build. I thought they were using the new unique that deals more dmg for mana not the new harbinger upgradable exalted

[winter copper]

the skill was tested every single patch m8 and this build is bugged 100% now

[sterile latch]

Op replied to u and said it has nothing to do with ignite stacks @winter copper

[winter copper]

ya i know vlad mentioned above that its probably that each ignite multiplier is multiplicative with each other not additive , similarly to serpent strike bug

[sterile latch]

I doubt rings would affect this skill while not seeming to affect others like my void cleave/warpath in noticeable ways unless the smelters wrath is coded as a forged weapon?

[tribal basin]

Only thing i can think of is that the Melee damage node in Sigils of Hope is bugged and stacks per sigil and not just once

[sterile latch]

I've run sigil with forged weapons though. Don't feel like it does that much

[tribal basin]

" Word of Power , you deal increased Melee damage for 3 seconds after you cast sigils of Hope " 30% Global Melee damage per point

[sterile latch]

Oh nice!

[tribal basin]

You also have Heavy Strike , Tempered blow and Valiance in Smelters Wrath and those are some juicy More multis

[waxen nymph]

Maybe something with the Pen from Forged Strike too

[tribal basin]

As i said im not sure if its bugged or not but would be actually funny

[waxen nymph]

Could be stacking when it's not supposed too

[tribal basin]

the 30% Global Fire Pen , yeah maybe , who knows if that thing stacks when you cast it multiple times

[sterile latch]

Do they cast it multiple times tho?

And 3 seconds is not a lot if u have to then charge smelters

[tribal basin]

If you have enough Attack Speed and its instant cast you do it yourself

[winter copper]

tbh i wouldnt even search for the big and leave it, if ehg cba to make sentinel actually a decent class at least let us one shot bosses

[sterile latch]

I think I might know what it is but yeah don't help find it

[tribal basin]

Or its simply Good Math and everything works as intended

[sterile latch]

Over like 60% of fg nodes don't help forged weapons. Budget necro if not for bugs

[tribal basin]

Im also still on my FW thing but still failed to get a better weapon or a proper slam on any of my gear

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1MD4O4A

Do not Question my passives okay

and i dont know how the embed works

[sterile latch]

Speaking of which if you're a dev stop reading. I just talk about having fun and stuff, something you hate.

For everyone else check out perrythepig's latest build contest entry 7.

[tribal basin]

Voidwinter Javeliner ?

[sterile latch]

So busted

[mighty cedar]

void jav? lol

[sterile latch]

I love the interactions and have more insight into how the (now) rank 2 forge guard made their build work and more appreciation for standing still builds

But the dmg isn't what makes it busted

https://youtu.be/lBf6dGlrSeY?feature=shared 37:50

[mighty cedar]

Should the tool tip damage of Lava burst (shield throw spell) update when taking the "more dmg" modifier for it?

[acoustic cobalt]

how exactly do minions gain their damage? is there anywhere i can see it properly? I am playing a Warpath-FS Forge Guard and I am not sure if some of my increases even affect minions.

E.g. does Melee Physical Damage even increase forged weapons dps? or is their domg solely increased by minion damage? what about penetration or crit vulnerability? do those weapons beneft from that?

[olive saffron]

Solely by stuff that says it impacts minions

And sadly, you seemingly can’t even check tooltip damage for minions

[acoustic cobalt]

thanks, and sadge :( need to figure out then what weapons truly are better for the build

[tribal basin]

Minion Flat , Shared Pen and Minion damage % in the Implicit

[waxen nymph]

Imo BAse Crit + Crit Multi is better

FW weapons are a bit weird compare to other minions since they taker stats directly from your Weapons (and now your Gloves)

[mighty cedar]

nothing that is dropping is showing

[waxen nymph]

Alt+Z or Del

[mighty cedar]

nope

how did I turn this on ha

[waxen nymph]

Alt + Z

[untold hound]

you and me both, dude. But more specifically, under FS scaling tooltip says strength and attunment. do both affect the minions or is str buffing FS and attun buffing weapons?

[mighty cedar]

ah okay

[waxen nymph]

Press Alt on the skill icon in your skill bar

[untold hound]

ys, thats what i read off. the tooltip says it scales with both stats

[acoustic cobalt]

i think attunement buffs minions. if you hover over a node that allows forged weapons to spawn and hold Alt (or Crtl+Alt, depending on settings) you see that "Summon Forged Weapon" has the Attuement tag, whereas Str only applies to Forge Strike only, HOWEVER Str scales some other weird stuff in the tooltip, like life? so i guess it partially applies as well?

[untold hound]

but im wondering if its divided or not

[waxen nymph]

What do you mean if its divided or not ?

[tribal basin]

The problem is , there is not a single source that lists all the things that can apply to your Forged Weapons

1 Attunement = 4% for FWs

[untold hound]

do both stats affect both aspects (the ability hit and the summoned weapons) or is str affecting FS and att only affecting minions?

[acoustic cobalt]

yeah but this only applies to the dmg of FS itself

[tribal basin]

At this point , i would start asking the Devs , its taken too long now to just speculate

[waxen nymph]

Health per Att is for FS ?

[acoustic cobalt]

except that, as i mentioned above, but i think the dmg not

[untold hound]

precisely my confusion

[waxen nymph]

Inc Dmg per Attribute is inherited by subskills

Str gives Dmg to FW
Att gives Dmg and Hp to FW

[acoustic cobalt]

why then does "Summon Forged Weapon" only inherit the Attunement tag? 🤔

[tribal basin]

Source ?

[untold hound]

only has attunement tag

[waxen nymph]

Summon Forge Weapon is a Subskill of FS

It inherit its Attribute Scaling

[tribal basin]

Where is your source for that ?

[acoustic cobalt]

but why no Str then? or does it double dip in Atn?

[untold hound]

both scenarios make sense, i just couldnt find anywhere that clarified that position

[tribal basin]

or a place that Lists what stats of the Weapon you use is also inherited by the FWs

[untold hound]

cool

[acoustic cobalt]

ah i just asked in devchat 🤣 - so FS stats then transfer to dmg which increases the dmg of summoned weapons

however, then, does the Summon skill itself provide double dipping?

[waxen nymph]

Everything on the weapon is transfered, they might not be able to use it though
Generic Stuffs like % Dmg, Flat , Crit (most stuff you can forge) will work
FW cant use Attribute
Weird uniques stats like "Chance to cast Magma Shards on Hit" from Volcanus for exemple will not work aswell

No

All the Attribute scaling is done by the main Skill

[untold hound]

all of my new questions are more programmin then game related, so ill post them elsewhere lol

[tribal basin]

Soo hold on ... i have an Axe with %phys %melee , and Flat minion , shared Fire Pen , would those all be transfered to the FWs then ?

[acoustic cobalt]

if minion skills work the same as subskills, then only shared tags will apply

[untold hound]

the %minion prob not, because they are the minion, not have the minion

[acoustic cobalt]

so if the main skill has "Fire" and the subskill has "Fire", +fire damage will convert and apply, i guess?

[waxen nymph]

Yes, yes, Flat Minions will benefit them because they are your minions (and if they had minions they would get it too), Shared Pen double dip

[acoustic cobalt]

but subskill minions dont?

[mighty cedar]

Today I learned that Lava burst on sheild throw costs mana

[tribal basin]

i normally sit at the dummies and watch my FWs do their thing , i only summon 1 and look what the Min damage is the max damage and the frequency to have a better Average

thing was , Crit looked nice but had lower average damage because the % Increased was missing

[mighty cedar]

since this is a 1x4 the most you can have are two right>

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[mighty cedar]

26% makes vme sadghe

[waxen nymph]

And up still only fire 1 bolt

[acoustic cobalt]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message -> regarding the Forge Strike & Summon Forge Weapons issue.
STR is not used by the Weapons.

[sullen star]

Forged Weapons aren't a sub skill of Forge Strike and use their own attribute scaling.

[acoustic cobalt]

so does this mean forged weapons only scale with attunement, as shown by the tags? and the forge strike tooltip incorporates this as it will spawn forged weapons? 🤔

[mighty cedar]

Do you think if I reduced lava burst, shield throw, and smite to 0 cost if it would be worth? Cast smite on throw situation

[sullen star]

yes
I don't understand the second question

the forge strike dps tooltip doesn't include forged weapons at all

[acoustic cobalt]

#🔱┃sentinel message FS tooltip shows Attunement and Strength scaling & #🔱┃sentinel message summon forged weapons tooltip only shows attunement.

so what's the "health" stuff in forge strike then there for? 🤔 it confuses me

[mighty cedar]

Nvm, not enough space to run bolt and smite idols

[sullen star]

it's to signpost that the forged weapons will get that

[acoustic cobalt]

okay, so the "Summon Forged Weapons" tooltip and the "Forge Strike" tooltip should show the same values, correct? Because it signposts to it, they should in theory share them? For Attunement i mean. The health increase etc.

I am not ingame atm. - will check in a bit.

[sullen star]

it's the same

[acoustic cobalt]

Awesome! Thank you very much for clarifying

[waxen nymph]

Figuring out what is a subskill or isn't is its own mini game 😅

[winter copper]

mike in #🔱┃sentinel impossible

[acoustic cobalt]

i may not be an acolyte, but I did formulate a quite adept summoning circle post 🙈 as it was a heated discussion about forged weapons in here a bit ago

[waxen nymph]

See, they know we exist

[tribal basin]

And now we need it all in a bulletpoint list and pinned here

[alpine canopy]

It doesn't cost mana

Who let Mike out?

[acoustic cobalt]

For Forge Guards:

Regarding "Forge Strike" (FS) and "Summon Forged Weapon" (FW): The FS tooltip, when shown with details (see screenshot), shows various scalings. The Attunement scaling on it mirrors the FW skill tooltip to signpost that the scaling transfers to them.
The minions, forged weapons, summoned by the ability thus only scale with their respective stats as shown in the 2nd screenshot, but are also covered in the summon skill, FS, as can be seen.

FW is NOT a subskill of FS (source: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message)

Source (discussion), starting: #🔱┃sentinel message & ending (roughly): #🔱┃sentinel message (with various questions and responses in between).

[acoustic cobalt]

there you go

i can't pin it tho xP

[acoustic cobalt]

much obliged, Vlad!
i hope it's clear enough and everyone understands it (at least i do now)

[tribal basin]

And now to list also what Stats and Affixes will Transfer to Forged Weapons

[alpine canopy]

Good luck with that 😅

[acoustic cobalt]

As most things: tags based; so "minion physical" etc. will apply, but "increase physical" won't as these are not direct minions or they don't have a node that makes them derive from that. E.g. you can see some of this in effect in the "Manifest Armor" tree, where nodes specifically say that the minion will inherit stuff from e.g. Gloves, or so

[tribal basin]

Fascinating , thats the exact opposite to what Vlad said

We are still in the circle , we are stuck here

[acoustic cobalt]

#🔱┃sentinel message i asked if they only scale with attunement, as shown by tags. it was responded with yes. Also this: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message from the dev chat

I added it for clarity in the pin. I am happy to edit any further info in, that we might find out over time

[tribal basin]

If i would be ingame i would quickly make several more test weapons for Every Affix i can think of

[mighty cedar]

Is the only source of electrify on hit the ladel? The jav spear is exclusive to jav i believ

[winter copper]

ye they dont like electrify

the healing hands nodes makes 0 sense 160% more dmg to electrify with no chance to apply it

[waxen nymph]

Last time I asked about Electrify, Mike said "the ailment is still young" 🙄

[waxen nymph]

Aurelis

[winter copper]

just let us convert ignite to electrify on like all sentinel skills

[waxen nymph]

Paladin Passive > % Dot
Threshold 5/8> Ignite converted Electrify

[mighty cedar]

Is that chance on hit?

[warped helm]

skipped the t7 attackspeed precisely 🙄 fu..

[mighty cedar]

Nah that is only on melle hit

[mighty cedar]

I was wanting to use shield throw, so ladel would be the only source I can find. Although, I suppose I could use that and have the MA apply it with his sweeping attack from shield throw. Doubt that has scalability though

[alpine canopy]

Shield throw doesn't have any support for electrify, and neither does MA

For electrify, I think the only things that have support are javelin, smite, HH, and/or multistrike

[mighty cedar]

MA would get the stats of aurulus, for its fast sweeps triggered by shield throw. Smite for sure could do cast on throw. And yes I agree that there isn’t much support. Was jsut trying to figure out interactions. Ladel can apply from shield throws lava burst at 4 per attack

[obtuse perch]

Holy highroll

Let us hope the nemesis does something cool with it.

[mighty cedar]

Noice

[stable yacht]

Hi guys

So the smelter's build its not bugged or it is? asking for a friend

[winter copper]

on paper yes its bugged? what is bugged nobody knows, at this point hard to say if anything works or not

will they fix it? no way

[obtuse perch]

I mean, they just have a lot of things to fix. Doesn't mean they'll never get around to it right?

Also, dying to the shade feels so bad when it's because you did a totally avoidable bad.

That's 12 corruption down the toilet 😦

I was like "lets see what actually happens when I let that attack hit me".

I died, that's what.

New, old. Is new better?

The base attack speed is .04 higher. The implicit is also better.

[warped helm]

nemesis eggs dont have "more" chance to add LP do they? the item/rarity still dictates that?

[stable yacht]

good to know bc im levelling one rn out of boredom

[obtuse perch]

I have no idea, I'm just vaguely assuming that item drop rules are part of the formula for nemesis mutations.

[tribal basin]

Yes still bound by the Item level and LP min level stuffs

[obtuse perch]

So things that have a harder time dropping with LP are also less likely to gain LP. Stuff like that.

Anyway

After using the new weapon for all of five minutes. Of course the difference is subtle, but my kill speed and the rate at which I stack ignites has gone up.

[warped helm]

yeah thats what i figured, guess 2LP Nulls is rather hard then (0.6%), alright i'll throw this base in a 1lp, if i hit the t6 thorns i might give retal shieldthrow a shot \o/

alright alright good generic hit

[mighty cedar]

whre is @quiet hearth when I need him lol

[quiet hearth]

[mighty cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5e6nr3B can you tell if this would possibly work:? hahahaha

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beta / 0.9.2f

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,440, Regen: 30/s
▸ Mana: 174.23, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 1 Dex / 12 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 42% / 65% / 65% / 40% / 73% / 56% / 7%
▸ EHP: 1,539 / 1,853 / 1,853 / 1,627 / 1,997 / 1,720 / 1,219

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 288
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (722)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (24)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Smite (25)

Used unique items:

• The Invoker's Static Touch
• Oceareon
• Stormtide
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Static Shell

[quiet hearth]

why spark charges?

[mighty cedar]

more lightning spell dmg, can apply on single trget like 6 per ST

sadly it makes me miss our on ALOT of the flat spell

[quiet hearth]

not gonna really get anything out of it because you have no int

[mighty cedar]

cand you just scale it with lightning dmg ect?

[quiet hearth]

yeah but it's so low of a dmg number

Now slap on a cleaver solution and it might work

[mighty cedar]

yea i figured, not being able to use the flat spell from pally cucks it

[waxen nymph]

Lack of Flat Spell will eventually be tough

[mighty cedar]

it doesn't get flat even from int sadly

granted weith 3 MORE mods on smite it should also hit like a truck

[quiet hearth]

with the off hand it would

well for the spark charges it would

[mighty cedar]

OH i see

[quiet hearth]

but that is only for the spark charges themselves, smite isn't getting anything, you'd be better off overall just getting something with flat spell dmg, MAYBE Palarus

[mighty cedar]

i mean, i guss that would fepend on the number of spark charges on target, no?

[quiet hearth]

you'd have to be applying a ton of them to make it work

because you only have 10% chance

[mighty cedar]

i mean 6 per ST is alot no?..... oh taht is very true too

bettter to just go ladel electrify lol

[waxen nymph]

Imo you are still better using Aurelis

The pen on it is big

[quiet hearth]

overall sure but not for scaling the spark charges

[waxen nymph]

Smite convert ignite to Electrify

[quiet hearth]

the electrify route is definitely better with Aurelis though.

[waxen nymph]

For Electrify yeah

[mighty cedar]

and then I would jsut need to slam good stuff on it to make it work then

I thought about doing the shield throw sweep on MA with it for him to apply electrify's lol.... hmmm let me make somethingup in the plannar realk fast

[mighty cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnM6XMzA okay somethingh like this ?

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beta / 0.9.2f

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,167, Regen: 40/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 80% / 80% / 61% / 64% / 80% / 51%
▸ EHP: 2,443 / 2,443 / 2,443 / 2,285 / 2,191 / 2,443 / 1,962

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 233
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (694)
▸ Block Chance: 62%, Mitigation: 33% (840)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 90%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Smite (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Aurelis

[coarse mist]

What build right now is better for endgame, Rive VK or Bleed Hammerdin - I.E. Corruption pushing?

[quiet hearth]

why ignite on the smites?

[mighty cedar]

its copnverted to electrify chance, its 5% more than the electrify chance node by the other stuff, plus it give mes access to another more mod

well at least for smite

[tribal basin]

Hard to believe that the 300 Flat melee Fire damage arent enough to make the Sunforged Hammer actually viable to use with Smelters Wrath or Forge Strike

[obtuse perch]

Nemesis added 1LP to my phantom grip. Here's hoping for a second one, pog!

[sterile latch]

I'd believe it's still bad

[quiet hearth]

I can read I swear fml how do I miss these things

[obtuse perch]

Is this any good for anyone?

Double t7 as well as a sealed affix. Although as a consequence of starting as a yellow the FP is very low.

However, there's an open slot to craft on too.

Question is, is the mana on smite any good?

Time to hit the sanctum I guess.

ROFL I one shot Julra. I mean it's only the tier 1 dungeon. But I was expecting her to at least put up some kind of a fight.

Hell yeah!!!!

[mighty cedar]

god between smite and lava burst my mana is destoryed ha

damn\

[waxen nymph]

Are you not getting Smite from Idols ?

[mighty cedar]

i am, but perhaps npw that I think about it maybe its just the lava burst tahts eating me

[waxen nymph]

But both are free

Smth else is using your mana

[quiet hearth]

I should make a holy burst build

[mighty cedar]

lava burst is not

[waxen nymph]

I know its tooltip says 7 mana cost, but I am trying it rn on the dummy

Its not using any mana

[waxen nymph]

Yes !

[mighty cedar]

shrug shield throw is 3 mana for me.... alos is that a bug

[waxen nymph]

Depends on how you specced it

[mighty cedar]

Shield throws TT is 3 mana, and as you stated the idol proced smites don’t use mana correct? And is lava bursts mana just a bug that is displayed or it’s not working as intended

[quiet hearth]

the smites do use mana iirc

[obtuse perch]

I need some input.

[quiet hearth]

up up down down left right left right

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWPdP62B These are the items I have right now. Note the rings and gloves.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (72) / Paladin (2)

General:

▸ Health: 1,463, Regen: 64.32/s
▸ Mana: 243.49, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 1 Dex / 5 Int / 34 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 189% / 79% / 92% / 130% / 74% / 84% / 104%
▸ EHP: 4,844 / 4,844 / 4,844 / 8,070 / 5,529 / 4,844 / 4,844

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 31%, Threshold: 293
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (5,836)
▸ Block Chance: 55%, Mitigation: 39% (1,147)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (23)
• Multistrike (20)
• Manifest Armor (23)
• Ring Of Shields (23)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Maehlin's Hubris
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip

[obtuse perch]

So I'm thinking of putting my ascendance runes towards gloves.

[mighty cedar]

See that’s what I thought too but he is adamant they don’t lol

[obtuse perch]

Like, my gloves are already good.

But if there's anything that will just feel the upgrades, it's gloves.

So I'm thinking I'll just keep going for gloves until I get that high roll?

[turbid dome]

what are you aiming for?

[obtuse perch]

Well, what I just said.

[turbid dome]

beans I didn't click on the build

ah

[obtuse perch]

But, if anybody can think of any other uniques worth integrating into the build, maybe that might be a more immediate upgrade.

[waxen nymph]

Smite procced by Idols is free, unless you are using Fissure that always consume 10 Mana

[obtuse perch]

Rayeh's Light is very good, but I need like a god roll for it to replace the shield I got.

[turbid dome]

if you can survive them, the Ravenous void gloves are great for 15% dr

[obtuse perch]

I guess code of an erased sentinel might be worth?

Nah I like Maehlin's Hubris.

[turbid dome]

code of an erased sentinel is basically the best relic for most builds

[waxen nymph]

Send a planner so I can try to understand what is eating your mana

[turbid dome]

the base stats on it are really good

[obtuse perch]

Oh right.

Increased armor and armor applies to DoT.

I think if I target that before Rayeh's Light it's better.

Thanks for the input, I think I'll roll on relics then.

[turbid dome]

with code your gonna need to get a few before the weaver hits the affixes you want

[obtuse perch]

I have patience.

[turbid dome]

[obtuse perch]

It took me only a few attempts to get some half decent phantom grips.

Because vanilla ones are kinda eh on dot builds.

Like I'd take a vanilla one if I were doing a hit build.

[turbid dome]

true

[rain steeple]

Does chance to smite on throwing attacks work with the axes thrown from the warpath unique relic?

[obtuse perch]

I can reliably get ignites over 150, and over 200 with some perseverance.

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[obtuse perch]

I think it's a legit build too.

[turbid dome]

man I wish flamedrinker wasn't capped now

[obtuse perch]

Hm...

I can of course only buy unused codes.

But I'm not sure how much money I want to put down.

22 WW ones cost over 300M a pop. Meaning I can buy two at best. That's not good.

Besides, I think if I want a more immediately useful item I'd rather use a bunch of cheaper ones.

[grim lance]

Just killed Aberroth on this character: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bj7Z1Pbo
Took 8 minutes. Can't recommend Shield Bash, unless you want to be immortal against any and all content, except Aberroth.
And even against Aberroth you're very tanky, because of 100% void conversion to phys.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (17) / Forge Guard (59) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,459, Regen: 165.03/s
▸ Mana: 185, Regen: 14.93/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 71 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 44% / 77% / 108% / 87% / 63% / 63%
▸ EHP: 17,107 / 12,166 / 15,974 / 28,501 / 29,451 / 17,372 / 14,272

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 564
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (40)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 74% (8,009)
▸ Block Chance: 59%, Mitigation: 78% (8,395)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (22)
• Ring Of Shields (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)
• Volatile Reversal (21)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Monument of Protection
• Horns of Uhkeiros
• Ravenous Void
• Foot of the Mountain
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[iron basin]

workin on my forge strike slam build, do y'all think the opportunity cost of using phantom grips to cap crit easily is worth losing ring stats otherwise?

[winter latch]

Hello fellow Sentinels
I've been enjoying the sword Palarus's Sacred Light and made a build around it
But I'm quite literally the opposite of good in this game when it comes to builds.
What would you all change in this and what's all looking good? It went through several iterations at the moment
Tried several abilities, but this is what I'm aiming to get

The LP4 Items are there to help me remind that I wanted one of those 4 stats on the item
Not that I want the item LP4 (since that's quite impossible on some)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy1O2wOo

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (28) / Paladin (65)

General:

▸ Health: 2,837, Regen: 23.5/s
▸ Mana: 460.81, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 72%, Regen: 36/s
▸ Attributes: 64 Str / 15 Dex / 18 Int / 113 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 193% / 163% / 123% / 105% / 117% / 75% / 103%
▸ EHP: 11,979 / 11,979 / 11,979 / 22,426 / 11,979 / 11,920 / 11,979

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 79%, Threshold: 680
▸ Armor Mitigation: 74% (8,146)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 44% (1,547)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (22)
• Healing Hands (22)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Holy Aura (22)
• Smite (22)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Moenia Mentis
• Omnis
• Core of the Mountain
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Vaion's Chariot
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Trinity of Flames

[grim lance]

I wouldn't put unrealistic LP4 gear for one.
LP4 omnis? cmon bruh
EDIT: ah ok.

[winter latch]

I forgot to add
The lp4's are just there because I want at least one of those 4

so I won't forget the stats, as I forget a lot real quick

[waxen nymph]

What is the idea of your build ?

Self cast Smite with Javelin to get some more ?

[obtuse perch]

Ok, 14-15 WW codes cost about 1M a pop. So I just get one with a high armor roll in that region and give it a try.

[winter latch]

Smite the enemies into oblivion by indirectly casting it through Javlin and the sword

Survivability is also pretty high at the moment at least (pre empowered monoliths)
Though currently a bit low on damage, but I recently changed talents to what it is in the build planner now

[waxen nymph]

"and the sword" ? Are you planning to use Selfcast HH ?

[winter latch]

The sword: Palarus's Sacred Light
Which can casts smite on melee hit
And I'm using Healing Hands as my melee attack, which works on Palarus's

[waxen nymph]

How does it feels ? Because its kinda slow no ?

What is the Manifest Armor for ?

[winter latch]

It's a bit slow, but not awkwardly slow

Manifest Armor was a current test, it looked cool
Helped out already quite a bit so wanted to test it out further
Before this I had Judgement with the "Anointed" talent + holy eruption and armour shred

[waxen nymph]

Ok

May I give some suggestions ?