🔱┃sentinel

[quiet hearth]

havent been there yet but even now they hit for like 300ish noncrit abd almost 500crit

tree node bonuses dont apply to triggered skills do they?

[twilit valley]

My first drop was a lp4 palarus .. about to make a alt and use it

[queen spade]

passive tree?

[quiet hearth]

Skill tree or passive tree, because if they do that blood smite node would be insanity. I could totally see a smite judgement thing

[queen spade]

They do

[twilit valley]

What’s a lp4 palarus worth . Just curious about the weapon I found

[queen spade]

Worth a lot, its a popular though common item for smite builds

4lp on a common item is still rare though, so check MG 😄

[queen spade]

It's why smite warpath is a thing

[twilit valley]

Using mine with rive .. Warpath makes me dizzy

[queen spade]

Smite HH divine bolt pally is also really good

[twilit valley]

I’m doing rive divine bolt

[queen spade]

smite for single target, but with palarus you got some good aoe too with smite double casts proccing on other nearby monsters. Then use HH spell casts for AOE

HH melee double casting itself with palarus also works too, and triggers divine bolt on every melee swing

[twilit valley]

How do I scale the spell dmg on palarus .. sorry noob question .. I want to go fire

[umbral sparrow]

Almost

[queen spade]

Stack strength for flat spell conversion; 2str = +1 spell flat

[quiet hearth]

It's literally on the sword, stack str for spell dmg, stack att for melee

[twilit valley]

Yeah but how do I scale spell with fire ..

[queen spade]

Smite is fire by default

[quiet hearth]

it gives you flat dmg, which is converted by your skill

[twilit valley]

So just add fire to items also ?

[turbid dome]

generic spell becomes the damage type of the spell it affects

[queen spade]

Yea, you use passives, affixes to scale fire dmg or spell dmg

[twilit valley]

And dot and bleed don’t work with spell right ?

[turbid dome]

bleed on hit lets you bleed with a spell

[queen spade]

If the spell is a hit, it can cause a DoT

[twilit valley]

Also ignite doesn’t work with spell ?

[quiet hearth]

anything that has a hit portion, can inflict status on hit

[twilit valley]

Ok .. but ignite is an ailment so won’t work with spell ?

[queen spade]

Ignite is an ailment just like bleed...

[twilit valley]

Didn’t think ailments can work with spells

[queen spade]

Surprise 🙂

[quiet hearth]

There is an in game guide by pressing G, has a lot of stuff inthere, LE does a TON of things differently

[turbid dome]

my fav is 150% chance to inflict stuff is gauranteed 1 and 50% for a 2nd

[twilit valley]

ok thanks for the info

[misty harness]

can rive VK beat abberoth?

[twilit valley]

Back to leveling up .. alt now 65 .. flying to 3rd mono with This palarus

[quiet hearth]

It's Rive, I dont think there is anything it cant kill

[misty harness]

i tried other classes i promise but sentinel is just the best one

[quiet hearth]

I wouldnt go that far in terms of hard facts, but sent is a lot better this cycle for sure all around.

[vestal mirage]

Shield rush is my favorite sentinel skill. Idk why it's just so satisfying

[echo hinge]

what's the best build for a paladin? i'm using judgement aura right now

[queen spade]

Theres several paladin builds that are doing well this cycle:

• Bleed Hammerdin smite
• HH melee flame burst, smite, divine bolt, ward stacking
• HH spell, divine bolt, smite caster
• Warpath smiter, flame burst

[turbid dome]

nyoooom

[twilit valley]

This season is fun

[queen spade]

Shield rush for map movement is so satisfying, too bad that shield rush spamming is still so wonky

[echo hinge]

ty

[twilit valley]

I usually go Thailand every month for 30 days but now playing new season makes me delay my trip

Is forge strike a good skill ?

Never played FG before .. usually play paladin

[quiet hearth]

FG is pretty good yea

[winged pulsar]

Now this is a sentinel item

[twilit valley]

Is forge strike any good ?

[queen spade]

Thats pretty hot

[twilit valley]

Nice but does that stat only work for healing hands or can work for any type of healing

[twilit valley]

Ok

[spark monolith]

good for holy trail as well

[twilit valley]

So it’s useless this season then ..

Wouldn’t leech be better alone

[quiet hearth]

It's not useless what?

[vestal mirage]

Forge is pretty poggers

[quiet hearth]

That reminds me I need to run the numbers on a max bleed FS

my main issue with it, is that why do that when I have Rive? XD

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

I want every skill to be brought up to that level

[turbid dome]

rive is great because so much of its power comes from its tree

double echo chance is huge

foe reaver is huge

nerfed flame drinker is still huge

Laceration is a unique type of ailment

attack speed + crit chance + enemy pulling

[quiet hearth]

Exaclty, it's mechanically good, I want more things like that. Another good example is Frostwall. You can convert it, has interactions with other skills, is good enough to be a stand alone skill. Give me more things like that.

[queen spade]

Spawn into an echo surrounded by candles...sus

[turbid dome]

I know vengeance is good (especially against bosses) but it feels so boring to use

[quiet hearth]

I genuinely think that using Vengeance with the bonk hammer and focusing on the retaliation skills would be pretty good, because only vengeance would lose the AS and it's not even that bad honestly

scribbles notes into meme book so many ideas

[turbid dome]

yeah, my main complaint about vengance is how much of the tree is dedicated to iron blades

[quiet hearth]

a full half of it lol

[queen spade]

You don't like zdps blades?

[turbid dome]

like why

node wise, I feel like Erasing strike has a good amount of nodes for its beam sub part

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, I'd like to see half of that lower part devoted to improving the reposte part instead, good mix

[turbid dome]

the one thing I do like about vengance is that it make sustaining void essences easy

[quiet hearth]

truth

[turbid dome]

and bolster

[quiet hearth]

bolster?

[turbid dome]

if only it wasn't 2 seconds

[quiet hearth]

oh that yeah

I mean, you're gonna be sitting still and swinging also, I cant get as much as I thought I would

ok, so baring perfect rolls, this is as high as I can get I think, maybe be a pally

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

no cant be pally because then I lose FS

[turbid dome]

go go gadget 25 base smite crit chance

[quiet hearth]

smite is in such a good spot with that time and faith node

[marsh warren]

Is there anything that affects the glyph of envy or is it random?

[queen spade]

time and faith only for direct casts sadge

[turbid dome]

if its the randomize item get time stability glyph it does just randomly modify it. It shouldn't be able to change item class tho (helmet stays helmet)

[quiet hearth]

I do not like the glyph to boost monos

[marsh warren]

I mean if there is a way to influence how much stability.

[queen spade]

I use them for regular monos and I instantly get enough stability on an alt to do the boss

[quiet hearth]

They need to just slow mono progression at at base, and then make empowered 'corrupted' monos and have them be shared

[queen spade]

speeds up the alt experience, love it

[turbid dome]

I think thats the only part you can kinda control

[queen spade]

Also lets me use them to farm bosses faster on my main

[quiet hearth]

It's nice, I just dont like the method

[turbid dome]

I wish it wasn't in the crafting system, I do hope they change it later. But I'm happy its there cause i can use it

it feels nice walking into a timeline, popping a bunch then fighting the boss and then fighting shade for an instant like +140 corruption

[quiet hearth]

Pretty much my thought, and they aren't exactly common either

[twilit valley]

On my alt - idols only open from quests ? Currently doing monos and noticed no idol slots open

[queen spade]

I do hate having to do corruption farming for each mono individually, even if there's a bonus for monoliths that you haven't done yet

[turbid dome]

yeah, the map screen should so how many more skill points and idol slots you need to get from the campaign

[queen spade]

Yes, you have to do idols and passive point quests

[quiet hearth]

I just make sure I have twink gear and blast through the monos honestly

[twilit valley]

Ok thanks for the replies

[quiet hearth]

The map screen does do that though?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[queen spade]

It's just time consuming in an already time consuming game, and the fact that the new items have high lvl requirements makes it so I can't really test classes without sinking so many more hours into the "beginning" part

[quiet hearth]

I reread it the moment I sent it fml, I WILL learn to read one day

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

ok, this is literally how far I can push this without doing really silly things in the builder

So FS inflicts 10 stacks of super bleed

what exactly does duration do for bleeds? just 96dmg/s for 2.5 vs however long now?

[turbid dome]

3rd paragraph

[quiet hearth]

so essentially it's a dmg multi equal to the duration increase

[turbid dome]

more damage per bleed, but you still need to wait longer

granted if you need to upkeep x number of bleeds on it for an effect duration super helps there

[quiet hearth]

I dont think 10 bleeds with like...almost 300% pen are gonna have issues with duration

[turbid dome]

I mean think about when you need to run away from a boss for 8 seconds

[quiet hearth]

coward talk

[turbid dome]

Draven gets it

[quiet hearth]

I'm sitting at 65% arm before the FS 100% increased armor

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1MvD3bA like look at this jank, I'm literally just doing dmg and I have almost 5k ehp

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (26) / Forge Guard (67) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,460, Regen: 75.4/s
▸ Mana: 120.01, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 86 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 0% / 0% / 65% / 32% / 54% / 49%
▸ EHP: 3,267 / 2,016 / 2,016 / 4,979 / 2,468 / 2,916 / 2,801

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 292
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,206)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (24)

Used unique items:

• Sword Catcher
• Thorn Slinger
• Valdyr's Chalice
• Salt the Wound

[turbid dome]

And you got so many slots for beef

[quiet hearth]

yeah

and the relic gives me 2% leech for uh..what I am assuming is gonna be a LOT of bleed dmg

ez extra 100% dot dmg

This would be the kinda build you just slot endurance in everything

[turbid dome]

If your slotting in endurance, put wall of nothing into your chest armor

Make your endurance more value

[quiet hearth]

actually, what about that chest armor that gives you up to 20% less dmg taken

Though a good titan heart wouldnt be bad to start

[turbid dome]

On one hand maybe, on the other I think getting a lot of extra ward will protect you more from one shots

[quiet hearth]

depends on how much ward you can get out of it

[turbid dome]

Up to 85% of endurance threshold as ward decay + up to 185 ward decay threshold

[quiet hearth]

my calc says about 982 ward

From here it would be resists

[hollow spindle]

Now I Just need to find a good LP item to slam it with...

[queen spade]

nicee

[quiet hearth]

yeah it is

I think I gotta drop the idol

[quiet hearth]

I wish we had more stat things from monos instead of the items and shard bonuses and such

[queen spade]

Finally found a t7 HH helm 🙏

[vale ravine]

area is ass tho and no full void conversion, but nobody is perfect

[quiet hearth]

area is at least useful

[vale ravine]

imo half of the reason why melee feels so bad in LE is because most of the melee skills have insanely small area of effect by default

[quiet hearth]

No, 100% of the reason is because of all the ground spam crud that is thrown at us. It needs to be toned down in either damage or frequency.

[vale ravine]

ye but you have an easier time dodging it if you dont worry about also staying within 2 feet of the boss

[brittle grove]

found a random 2 LP bonk maw and decided to quickly throw it in

[quiet hearth]

Not enough to really matter, while I do agree that melee could use a bit better base area for things, the big problem is how big and often ground effects are AND how much damage they deal glares in light and embermages

[vale ravine]

ye DoTs need a passthrough fo sho

i dont mind the number of puddles honestly as an mmo guy but the DoT damage ramp is ridicolous

[quiet hearth]

They just need to spread out the damage via stacking debuffs so you have more than .6s to move

Exactly, it's too much too fast, and good grief the amount of exploding on death enemies

[vale ravine]

i mean that's every ARPG 😄

[quiet hearth]

GD is pretty good about it, they are there but they no longer Thanos you like they do here.

[vale ravine]

havent played GD but both D4 and PoE are guilty as charged

[marsh warren]

Man I am getting so unbelievably unlucky, I have farmed at least 60 exalted staffs so far and still no Elemental damage over time one:/

[quiet hearth]

GD is so good if I wasnt broke I would buy it for you

It's the best arpg on the market overall for me

[vale ravine]

bruh 3.25 starts next week, aint nobody got time for another ARPG 😄

[quiet hearth]

I am fully aware of this, I got this cycle and all the new toys, new poe next week, and GD is getting a new expansion soon

[vale ravine]

ye my GD is WoW I guess, new retail exp also comes out. this summer is kinda loaded lol

[quiet hearth]

I know it's this year, hopefully later in the year

However I am gonna also say that LE has been doing VERY well with expanding things. Some things I don't like, but overall it's still a solid 7/10 for me right now.

[vale ravine]

ye i like LE with all its faults but gahd they need to sort out the market

[quiet hearth]

Market isn't too bad, need to be able to set the values for uniques for affixes but other than that it's more than functional. I wish they would market more, almost no one has heard of them outside of the arpg space. GD is the worst though, they're just like yeah...we exist.

[vale ravine]

well the interface is worst i have ever seen in any game, but supposedly that's being sorted
then the integrity of the market is a big problem. sure, when it works it's okay.... it's just...

[full scarab]

Morning, i have been trying to find out how much CDR i can get on my manifested armor - is it only the boot slot or am i missing something? I am trying to get whirlwind cooldown way down

[quiet hearth]

WW is bugged currently dont bother

[full scarab]

oh ok, what exactly is bugged atm, the cooldown itself?

[quiet hearth]

WW only hits once despite the constant spinning

[full scarab]

ah thats sad, thanks for telling me

[quiet hearth]

yeah I was hype for it when I read the patch notes

[full scarab]

ive first tried ignite based but whirlwind sounded cool enough to try - maybe it'll get fixed soon enough 🙂

[quiet hearth]

It's been bugged for at least a year now in some form or another sadly xD

[short viper]

i need to thank whoever in here reminded me that t7 mana is in demand

[sweet hazel]

That would be absolutely disgusting on Rive VK.

[brittle grove]

It will rot in my stash tho since I'm doing mana stacker erasing strike

[quiet hearth]

well this didnt do too bad

[twilit valley]

I could use those while leveling up my manifest armor

[hushed tide]

is bleed forge minions viable? or is there a viable fire minion build?

[quiet hearth]

yes to both

[sweet hazel]

There's a viable Manifest Armor build. Forged Weapons are pretty meh still but a lot better than last cycle.

Addition of those rings specifically for them was a big help.

[twilit valley]

There’s a player who’s done over 1000 waves already this cycle with manifest armor

[quiet hearth]

they also used snapshotting

[twilit valley]

Will he be banned

[quiet hearth]

No, but it is an important thing to note when talking about it though. He had to abused a game mechanic they've been trying to get rid of for awhile now, it's still impressive.

[twilit valley]

They might look into it if many copy the build and do the same

[hushed tide]

thanks. will look into it

[brittle grove]

@turbid dome quick and easy ultra endgame bonk knight filter done, time to go for maximum bonk

[twilit valley]

Gl

[brittle grove]

thanks! the uniques i mostly got with 3 LP (except world splitter on a 2 lp) but i ran out off exalteds, so time to bonk some stuff to bonk stuff harder later

[sweet hazel]

No, Snapshotting is a common thing for summon builds in basically every ARPG.

Diablo 4 removed snapshotting but that's the exception, for the most part.

[haughty canopy]

Wonder if it's worth starting the vc/es vk

Over physical avalanche shaman after my spark plug sb hits 100

The bell bro and drain are lvl locked now I guess. My lvl 50 sb don't see no chests at bell bro @polar spire

[spark monolith]

Apparently, I'm so afraid of dots in this game that I made my dot mitigation higher than my hit mitigation

[jagged citrus]

If i seal Fire pen, what stat should i roll for a Bleed hammer throw pally?

[marsh warren]

is there a way to increase the staves in a monolith that arent legendary or set? I have run enough prophecies to get at least 100 2 handed staffs and I still havent gotten one with elemental damage over time:/

[brittle grove]

cheesus mother melting crust wtf is that, dafrick is that

[quiet hearth]

I dont know why it says 2h staff, that's the only kind there are in this game, petition to get one handed staffs as a new weapon type

[sweet hazel]

That's just wands with extra steps

[marsh warren]

does that effect the monlith rewards for exalted as well?

[sweet hazel]

Monolith rewards are static and unaffected by drop rate increases, but they are affected by things like CoF additoinal drop or chance for affixes to be higher tier.
It would affect the chest, though.

[quiet hearth]

they already have one in the game too, the elder that uses the epoch at the start has one. But I think there is more than enough space for a different 1h type of spellcaster thing, maybe make them more focused on things other than dmg, status effects and what not

[haughty canopy]

hmm t6 ignite on spear worth putting on a pally stick?

[tribal compass]

Isn't the 1h non-wand caster thing the Scepter?

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, those exist as well lol

[fallen marlin]

Hey all, pretty new to the game and wondering if there's a good site/video to get a good understanding of crafting etc... Playing a Rive build atm

[woeful granite]

Is divine bolt damage really inconsistent? I’ve had it hit for over 10k and then it will hit consistently in the low hundreds. Not sure what the issue is.

[twilit valley]

My lvl 74 alt beat a harbinger .. good start

Why can my alt do mono 100 ? Did they change something .. don’t have to beat all 3 90•s now ?

Getting to 100 with an alt will way quicker than the first time around now .. already doing empowered mono and getting good xp at lvl 75

[unborn glacier]

Anyone else followed the Rive VK build on maxroll but thinks some decisions are questionable? The quicksilver ring is one of them

[twilit valley]

No but I’ll have a look later as I’m making a rive vk now

Have a link to check out later ?

[sweet hazel]

Yah, Maxroll has some weird choices, lol.
I modified their Nova Hammers FG build because it was quite wrong in a lot of gear choices.

Same thing, too. They had a Quicksilver ring on, even though it does literally nothing fir throwing.

[unborn glacier]

It just seemed really odd to me, it gives you a bit of haste and attack speed. The stupid crab ring at a high enough level gives you more movement speed, and attributes

[sweet hazel]

I'm guessing they're using it for Haste procs but it's a waste even even.

[unborn glacier]

Just off the top of my head, that one is better for speed farming. Siphon of Anguish is better for damage. Any damn exalted ring is better if you don't care about the movement speed

I'll probably ditch the second ring they recommended too, Oceareon

[sweet hazel]

Yup. I also noticed they didn't use Sun Seal, either, and didn't use any +ThrowDmg/-ThrowManaCost on their rings, either.
Their hammers were costing 9 per throw, but with the same build and my modifications, I have it at 0 mana Hammers, and sigils always cast themselves

Which one of their cons was "heavy mana management" lol

[sweet hazel]

Ocearon is actually really good for super end game when you have a 2 or 3 LP one. It's just a ton more raw damage.

Quicksilver makes no sense, though way better rings for both builds.

[unborn glacier]

Because of the shock?

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, the damage it adds from shock charges is more damage, which is as far as I understand, basically the best kind.

It just takes your damage after everything else, then adds more on top of that.

[simple raven]

nemesis was not with me this time 😦

[deft harness]

is there an ideal leveling unique weapon for hammer throw?

[twilit valley]

Many use exhalted dragon axe

[deft harness]

yeah but was wondering like leveling as going through the campaign and early monos

i really dont want to press rive honestly

[tacit zealot]

whatever you find with the stats that scale the node. keep looking at the node whenever you add a few points to see if the scaling tags have changed

[waxen nymph]

Taste of Blood if you want a unique

[inner gazelle]

no wonder that it felt like COF didnt drop things from bosses

[primal wedge]

do hammers just... not work in heorot arena?

[twilit valley]

Oh arena haven’t tested

[haughty canopy]

Early on like till end of campaign? Firestarter

[tacit zealot]

what stat would scale the dps of judgement with the annointed node best? DOT, fire/spell/elemental damage? not after the initial hit damage just the aura

[scenic gyro]

flat spell and any damage over time affix probably your best bet, also fire pen

[tacit zealot]

im assuming this would also scale the aura?

[scenic gyro]

yes

[tacit zealot]

but melee attack speed to speed up the hit animation yeah?

[scenic gyro]

its not smth i would invest in if you want to go all in for the dmg over time aura, but yes, it increases the initial hit speed

[tacit zealot]

wasnt gonna heavily invest but just checking as ill have buffs which boost attack speed so just wanted to make sure

does pious affect the aura or just intial hit?

[scenic gyro]

both

[tacit zealot]

would the soul bastion belt/relic's self ignite mechanic be the best in slot im going to also be manually casting healing hands primarily for healing rather than a damage source but it could be what applies the ignite to convert to spell damage?

or herkirs relic and spam potions? althought you mentioned DOT instead of fire damage which made me think of the self ignite strat

[scenic gyro]

sounds like smth interesing to try out ^^

[tacit zealot]

which one lol

[scenic gyro]

why not both :^)

if you got the belt slap it on and see how it feels

[tacit zealot]

i also meant paired with the relic too. soulfire which herkirs is also a relic so can only try one or the other

soulfire gives armour when im self ignited from belt and gives spell damage

herkir gives fire damage but get fire aura on potion use so would need to use the belt that gives a lot of potions

thats why i asked it as a question to see what would be best paired with judgement aura if you knew

[scenic gyro]

well if you are looking at numbers the ignite belt will give you more
subjectively, i wouldnt recommedn dungeon farming to anyone ever, so if you wanna suffer through that in its current state go for it

[gentle cloak]

Is the Smite heal AoE/Cleanse worth taking at all if you won't fully max them out?

[tacit zealot]

pretty sure you can get the relic outside of dungeon no? im just assuming but im like 40% sure that theres a 50% chance i got it to drop last patch randomly somehow hahaha

[scenic gyro]

depends if you use it as a side effect or your main dps

[scenic gyro]

talking about the belt

[tacit zealot]

all i need to do is focus defence then get someone to carry me using my keys was my plan hahaha T3 iirc the requirements to survive shouldnt be that bad

at level 86 with div bolts but its noticeably nerfed and im actually struggling to progress (strict loot filter i refuse to losen up hahah) so was gonna test the new judgement changes like i was gonna once i saw the limit of div bolts anyway

[gentle cloak]

Side effect; using the new 1h sword in a melee build, so in theory Smite is just for the attack speed and melee dmg. Which got me thinking maybe I should pick up the lightning bolts to spread blind/aggro/(maybe slows when I figure out my build)

[scenic gyro]

if you are melee at all times on top of your target then sure, extra cleanse never hurt anyone if you can spare the points, would youw ant to rely on that in a high preassure situation? probably not

[tacit zealot]

is julra void pools debuff that stacks cleansable?

[gentle cloak]

That's totally fair. And I only have 3 points in it anyway...I'll see if the bolts are more effective at ranged defense then. Thank you for your insight.

[scenic gyro]

i know that the aberoth perma debuf cant be cleansed, ~~probably the same with julra ~~but someone else would have to confirm

[chilly ferry]

Yep, I'm pretty sure you can.

[tacit zealot]

thought as much. im assuming the debuffs with the red border is uncleansable?

this would only affect judgement initial hit not the aura even if it was procced by melee??

[scenic gyro]

correct

[tacit zealot]

sunwreath had so much promise haha

[vagrant bone]

bo anarchy

[primal wedge]

sry i shouldn't have said arena, just his normal mono location

its not only where harbinger spawns either, it is the entire place

[hollow token]

What paladin build is the best at bosses? Currently playing Smite/Warpath, and the dps is great but being in melee range permanently is no bueno for aberroth

[vagrant bone]

could always try hammerdin with smite idols off of throwing hit

[hollow token]

Ooo I have all those idols for my current build. I’ll look into that ty

[mighty cedar]

Is pally HH sentials only ward gen in the kit natively?

[queen spade]

There are other skills that have ward effects but nothing as impressive as HH's

[mighty cedar]

What other skills? I’m really wanting to try and do a shield throw and so far the options I’ve considered are the Oblation belt and mortality combo and various ward gained on block

[queen spade]

Forge strike, Holy aura both have "ward gain" nodes

[mighty cedar]

Was hoping for an on hit solution but forgestrike seems good

[queen spade]

Forge strike can proc HH too

[mighty cedar]

if using forge strike you would need the minion tele ability

[mighty cedar]

through a unique or?

oh i see clerics hammer

[vestal mirage]

does % physical damage on a necklace affect my minions?

yooooooo I got the rolls

[mighty cedar]

Is it possible to use forge styrike as your primary ability? it is 25 mana. I know there are a few ways to reduce via weps ect but I am just curious if it is viable

[fair hollow]

no

[vestal mirage]

ty

[hardy bronze]

Why would you when you can completely ignore it by using 2 other skills but still benefit from the strong minions it creates?

[vestal mirage]

that ring upgrade is MASSIVE

[mighty cedar]

i am new to forge strike so education would be helpful (i am wanting them to generate ward for me)

[woeful granite]

Is divine bolt damage really inconsistent? I’ve had it hit for over 10k and then it will hit consistently in the low hundreds. Not sure what the issue is.

[hardy bronze]

It pales in comparison to basically any other type of ward generation I would say

Even with no cooldown, the flat rate of ward per weapon summoned isn't a lot and the damage you lose by having static minions for some ward per second isn't worth

[vestal mirage]

wait, if I have leech rate on my gloves, does that mean my minions actually can leech now?

these gloves might be godly

[hardy bronze]

Leech rate is not leech

[queen spade]

You could probably do a weird proc on hit multi-strike build that procs forge strike at max armaments and also procs HH. Some folks also use Rive to generate mana while spamming forge strike inbetween, forge strike has some passive nodes that spawn forged weapons too

[vestal mirage]

oh. sad

[olive saffron]

Javelin has a node that massively reduces the mana cost of the next melee (-25?). You could take the 0 CD Forge Strike node and alternate javelin and forge. Can even make Forge ranged to make it a ranged build

[hardy bronze]

The forge weapons are spawned by the skill itself, you can increase it with the passives

[queen spade]

Rive spawns forged weapons too on kill/boss hits with Bound Weapon passive

[hardy bronze]

Think it's 25% base to spawn a weapon and goes up against rares and bosses by some amount

[vestal mirage]

hmmmmm

[gentle cloak]

Not that it's a good idea, but would Falcon Fists w/ the ring cause FWs to get the flat dmg twice?

[hardy bronze]

I'd like to think so but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet

I slammed melee crit and fire pen/minion fire pen and like to think they get that twice as well

On Apathy's Maw I mean

Falcon Fists with high rolls and 3 to 4LP are probably bis tbf

[mighty cedar]

Melle HH pally seems to be the most efficient way to gen ward as a sentinel

[short viper]

came up in the nem window and i empowered it before looking at the rolls to see if i could sell, fml

[vestal mirage]

oof

[queen spade]

Yes or spell HH

[gentle cloak]

Yeah I'd hope so too w/ Apathy's Maw. And I agree, that's likely very strong for a glove slot if it does in fact work like that

[mighty cedar]

T.T there should be a node that turns Sheild throw to melle ahha

[queen spade]

Weird bug with the rings right now causing some item slots outside of gloves to give FW's stats too

[queen spade]

You can play sentinel fine without ward tbh

[mighty cedar]

I know, I’m doing it on my void shield throw, was just trying to make it work haha

[short viper]

falcon fists are smart synergy for the ring as described because of the AS but i don't think "your minions get x amount of damage" double dips because it doesn't seem to on falconer

[hardy bronze]

Really? You have anything more on this?

[winter copper]

you are supposed to be in melee range or close to abberoth almost always, otherwise you wont be able to dodge his attacks

[winter copper]

that will not work, sorry

[hardy bronze]

It's not "your minions", it's "you and your minions" to be more specific. We would need to confirm with a dev whether "you" is coded as just "melee fire damage" for the glove owner or not

[short viper]

my b then yeah that's a great question

[queen spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lndHRV8F_DY

[hardy bronze]

Thanks

[gentle cloak]

Yeah that was my thought too. The way that it's worded leads me to believe they get the buff from you for "your minions" and themselves from "you."

Alas, I have the ring and the gloves but no FG to test 😦

[queen spade]

You can get FW without being a FG

[gentle cloak]

😔 ok I'll test it.....

[late maple]

what is the general stance on using maxroll? like are the builds there considered good? or are there better places to find builds

[hardy bronze]

Maxroll is pretty good for beginners but anyone playing past few hours will find inadequacies in most of their builds across all games that they cover. I've seen time and time again the people posting Maxroll guides take very little constructive criticism of their choices when they parrot popular builds with 60-80% accuracy

tl;dr: their minmaxing sucks

[winter copper]

thats subjective, imo their sentinel builds outside of leveling are pretty minmaxed

[queen spade]

I would use it as a guide to see what others are doing for a build you want to try and then look out for affixes related to gear and use it as a guide instead of how most people use guides as more of a holy bible template

They are a good resource for learning about how skills work together

[hardy bronze]

@sterile latch you're avenged

[late maple]

ahh okay, im really into the spin to win echo warpath, might not be a top build but i like the playstyle, ill see if i can innovate a bit myself once i get further into the game

[winter copper]

warpath is kinda old tbh, mediocre skill nowadays

[turbid dome]

spin2win never dies but a touch up would be good for a lot of sentinel stuff

[late maple]

i know, but im also not looking for "the strongest" just what i find fun

[hardy bronze]

It's amazing for spawning forge weapons

[sterile latch]

[hardy bronze]

Forge strike warpath most fun I've had in this game

[queen spade]

I wish spin to win didn’t stop spinning when you go negative mana even when you get channel cost and mana cost to 0

[late maple]

if its low input i might be interested aswell

[hardy bronze]

You just spin

[late maple]

thats all i needed to hear xD

ah tho i would need to relevel for forge guard

[noble zenith]

i love smite warpath but its kinda hard to go to high corruption

[turbid dome]

echo warpath is fun on vk, smite warpath is fun on paladin, forged weapons warpath is fun on forge guard

each mastery has a fun warpath build

[hardy bronze]

I got 9k armor and 2700hp with fairly little HP stacking aside from idols

[turbid dome]

vk vitality gang

[hardy bronze]

Not sure how much further than say 700 corruption I could go exactly

[late maple]

well in these games i usually dont go SUUPER into end game just a little, so think that would be fine for me honestly

[turbid dome]

my goal for any self made build is to work at 300 corruption

[hardy bronze]

I managed to kill Aberroth on second try with this build

First one I died on 15%, slam caught me offguard

Proceeded to kill it 8 more times after, got only one Nihilis sadeg

[late maple]

right then i just need to figure out if i stay on vk or go to fg

[hardy bronze]

No idea about VK personally

But I really love this build, the tankiness and the damage

[queen spade]

My end goal is to get mana stacking gear

[hardy bronze]

I'm not sure how I want to work Peak of the Mountain into my build

[sterile latch]

You need something really heavy and small to put on whatever key u bound warpath to then just go make coffee "arena echo cleared"

[late maple]

xD

[hardy bronze]

Because it almost singlehandedly critcaps your minions it seems

With the Phantom Grip bug

[sterile latch]

I don't want to level a mage but I think I found a way to be perma invulnerable to dmg... might test a bit offline

[hardy bronze]

I know you can get like 98% damage taken to mana

[sterile latch]

Why only 98%?

[turbid dome]

I'm guessing thats the highest you can get it too

[gentle cloak]

Ok I actually can't tell if the gloves are double dipping, I'm gutted

[hardy bronze]

sad

lvl1 weapon with no other gear equipped than rings and gloves?

Lemme test it

Should be able to tell fairly easily by unequipping ring

[mighty cedar]

How does judgment that procs smite work with the traversal node in smite?

[gentle cloak]

Bo's Anarchy, gloves, ring. It's ofc doing more damage, but I'm leaning towards not double dipping? My gloves have +15 and the ring is 64%, but the jump in dmg from wpn to wpn + gloves / wpn + ring is decent, but then using them together is not nearly as high as I'd think

And I'd forgotten the ring had +6 dmg on it 😅

[queen spade]

It'll proc a normal smite

[mighty cedar]

HH has a more lightining dmg node… I assume it only applies to the electrifies?

[queen spade]

Yea

[coarse coral]

With the Erasing Strike node Time Loop, do ALL Erasing Strike echos start costing additional mana or just the guaranteed ones from the node?

[crimson smelt]

Someone knows how the build is working that the current Nr 1 in Arena is using? Forge Guard

[mighty cedar]

anyone running lightning smite needs devotion necklace yea?

[civic sinew]

Anyone know of any good Paladin builds for 1.1 that don't involve spinning hammers? I think they look goofy 😅

[alpine canopy]

Maybe for crit smite yeah, electrify no

[mighty cedar]

ah so going electrify you just want cast speed and triple cast and stacks not the more mods from things like the sacrifice node

[alpine canopy]

The opposite when I've done it, usually proccing smite with attacks that also cause electrify (like javelin rain)

[mighty cedar]

do thew more dmg modififders of HH apply to the electrify that it can apply?

[gentle cloak]

I believe generic more modifiers (i.e., nothing that says "more spell dmg", "more hit dmg", etc.) boosts the dmg of inflicted ailments unless otherwise explicitly stated.

[olive saffron]

you want generic mores, even skill mores, but not more skill hit

[mighty cedar]

ah okay okay

[olive saffron]

the type can be specific (fire for ignite, phys for bleed, etc.)

[alpine canopy]

The applicable damage modifiers in smite (like sacrifice) apply to its electrify, HH's modifiers only apply to electrify that it applies itself

[mighty cedar]

would this apply to electrify since it is global?

[olive saffron]

yes

[sterile latch]

Testing stuff offline takes way less time. Only an hour to level to 100, gear up, and get to t4 julra

[olive saffron]

the existence of offline and CoF make LE miles ahead of any ARPG for me

[mighty cedar]

ailments applied by skills.... dmg.... also scale from the stat (vit ect) as long as it isn't a flat scaling? or if the ailment has a spell tag it could scale....

[bleak blaze]

is there a way to dual wield more than just a sword in offhand or is that the only option?

[olive saffron]

sentinel can offhand swords
primalist can offhand swords and axes
rogue can offhand swords and daggers

[bleak blaze]

bummer I was gonna warpath with two taste of bloods for leveling

[turbid dome]

spellblade (mage mastery) can dualwield swords

[olive saffron]

I often forget sentinel can't offhand axes and it makes me sad. I have several nice void axes and I was wanting to DW them

[turbid dome]

they would need to make monument of honor a different weapon type then

[bleak blaze]

any recommendations for two hand warpath leveling weapons then?

[olive saffron]

probably Dreamthorn

[upbeat kiln]

Think I used Hammer of Lorent. It dropped and I was like screw it

[olive saffron]

lvl 15 sword, 40 flat void, 40% void pen. will last a long long time

[bleak blaze]

dreamthorn sounds perfect, I wanna be void knight so that's awesome

[olive saffron]

nemesis even gave me one with T6 area while I was leveling

[sterile latch]

Or just slam an lp4 for like 50k gold on the market of a unique no one uses

[brittle grove]

guess i have to make a FG now

[upbeat kiln]

Sheesh

[sterile latch]

[olive saffron]

I'm offline so MG ain't an option

that is a hot chest

[gentle cloak]

this needs a NSFW tag, goodness gracious

[brittle grove]

fun fact, this is the 11th tripple exalted + sealed affix item today, nemesis going craycray

[gentle cloak]

hwat in tarnation...

[turbid dome]

[brittle grove]

here is another nutty attunement one from today

[frigid ether]

Hey guys, I'm following the Shield Bash FG maxroll guide, but I'm having trouble sustaining mana. (And this is without Horns of Uhkeiros, which I expect would make it a lot worse)
Does it require Foot of the Mountain? And/or do I need to get mana regen on my gear somewhere?

[mighty cedar]

if I am wanting to stack electrify with smits ect... do I want a wands? I know flat spell dmg doesn't apply but

[gentle cloak]

Lmao I am envious; my silly build was supposed to be Attunement stacking but somehow I only have 40 Attunement so idk

[brittle grove]

the problem is, my actual build is stuck because i aint getting exalted items

[gentle cloak]

I think your actual build is attunement stacking now. the game has decided. 🧑‍⚖️

[brittle grove]

attunement stacking on void bae is silly

[gentle cloak]

you can tell ppl it was for the armor mitigation to dots passive!

[waxen nymph]

Aurelis

with lp Chance to Ignite

[gentle cloak]

I actually want to see a Vitality stacker with a crab ring just for the memes

[mighty cedar]

ignite would increse electrifying?

[waxen nymph]

Read the conversion Node in Smite

[mighty cedar]

OOOOOOO

[mighty cedar]

smites more dmg sac node would apply to electrify dmg applied by the smites yes?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[tribal basin]

Gib ... now .. plox

[simple raven]

omnomnom

[olive saffron]

I found so many hands and none have a good CDR roll

[simple raven]

yea, this one had low cd roll and attunement

but i put it in a nemesis that upgraded it from 0lp-4lp so it was worth a smash at that point

[olive saffron]

nemesis has certainly been a fun mechanic. its basically a 0 risk vaal orb

just chuck things at it and see what neat things pop out

[simple raven]

yea, it stays interesting all the way from the start and into late endgame

not to mention it adds a purpose/another gamble for 0lp items. overall a really well made mechanic

[quiet hearth]

I just wish eggs were more common

[frigid ether]

anyone have any advice for this?

[turbid dome]

whats your shield bashes mana cost

[frigid ether]

sorry, I just swapped off the build cos I was getting annoyed with the mana cost - but probably base 9 + 9 from flurry of blows - 9 from cutten edge - 3 from erased sentinel = 6?

[turbid dome]

ah, that is just a get more mana regen moment sadly

[frigid ether]

got it ok, ty

[turbid dome]

or reduce the number of points in the increased mana cost nodes until you have more mana regen

[frigid ether]

are there ways to reduce the mana cost further?

[quiet hearth]

Yeah I would like to see mana efficiency come back on a more even scale.

Even if only for the big chunky cost skills

[olive saffron]

I'm pretty sure you need foot of the mountain for a couple of those builds

[lament star]

are bellows build doable ? just dropped this

[quiet hearth]

That FS weapon tho

[lament star]

bellows is the FS node

[quiet hearth]

I am aware, that is a juicy boost

[lament star]

1;1 ratio stun to dot

[quiet hearth]

yep

[lament star]

and the STR = armor

bleed FS ?

with multistrike proc or self cast ?

[quiet hearth]

Either really, if you can get enough bleed chance you could just spam FS with the no CD node and stack like 30 super bleeds

otherwise the MS way is super smooth

[lament star]

melee speed is bad with MS tho.

and mana wise no cd FS is harsh...

[mighty cedar]

Does the idol that increase smite dmg % applye to the electorify ?

[quiet hearth]

at this point I have no idea what goes were

[mighty cedar]

hahah

[lament star]

oh FS sword node has 35% more aps

[olive saffron]

at least there are some solutions

[quiet hearth]

yeah no cd means that is not enough. You need around 32/mps to keep up with it

[lament star]

could use VR to get more oompf

[quiet hearth]

Would be good for bosses but not during running monos, though if you can get enough aoe with teh ranged talent that might not be that bad

[obtuse perch]

Oh no. Fatigue is starting to set in. 😦 If I'm taking a break though I'm uncertain of when I'll be coming back.

It's starting to set in though so I might still have a few hours of fun in me.

[simple raven]

reached max level yet?

[obtuse perch]

86

I just have a cap on how long I can play any one game while I still have fun with it.

[lament star]

542h here

[obtuse perch]

I mean I have 168 hours total in the game.

So it's not like I dislike this game. (168 is a lot to put into a single game, normally I don't even reach 100)

[lament star]

i play HC so thats why i played so much

[olive saffron]

I only started in 1.0

[lament star]

build dies. i play other build. so much fun

and u dont even have to do all 10 acts

just do 1-7 then skip through temporal dungeon for +1 bonus and the remaining passives

[quiet hearth]

I didnt know doing temporal gave you the bonus and the passives

[olive saffron]

I do first two dungeons and up to the city and then straight to monoliths. Often don't even get 2 of the passive points by the time I go make a new build

[simple raven]

this is what i played this season o_O

[lament star]

u dont get the passives. u just skip act 8 (lagon) after killing morditas and end up in majelka

[quiet hearth]

I just generally hit monos as soon as I can and then regrind the campaign

[lament star]

usually i kill morditas > run fall of outcast till i kill boss > temporal dg > majelka for remaining pts/idol slot and +1 attribute

[vestal mirage]

gigachad unarmed judgement build?

[obtuse perch]

I actually like going through the acts. It is slightly more fun than blasting echoes.

[vestal mirage]

I'm getting to the point already where echoes are getting old. And I've barely even climbed corruption

[obtuse perch]

Like I'm sorry for bringing it up. I didn't mean to make this some kind of competition of how dedicated we are. I already know I'd lose.

[lament star]

well i used to do this but i run many chars due to playing hc. i die a lot bc i do risky stuff especially early league (like doing rayeh with 0% void res)

[obtuse perch]

I can't play hard core.

[quiet hearth]

Echos get old quick, and they know that, that is why we got harbingers, they know the end game gets stale quick

[vestal mirage]

Perhaps I try hc. Might make it more enjoyable. I do die a lot tho

[obtuse perch]

I was literally more excited for 1.2 with the new campaign chapter than anything else.

[red elbow]

bit late but the orbs are invisible, I cast in an empty spot and walked there and gained all my hp instantly

[lament star]

i never reached higher than 300 corrupt. last build that did was the wraithlord necro. then i got bored

[vestal mirage]

ye same here

[quiet hearth]

oh no, I just read something and now a new meme is taking form, send help

[lament star]

thing is hc gets easier on alts. your first char dies but unless u play solo char found, u get to use the gear u're hoarding

[vestal mirage]

I am hoarding a lot of gear rn....too many tabs

[olive saffron]

You are likely just losing interest due to lack of progression. At a certain point, build upgrades stagnate and the return on time becomes small. This is why I make new builds and avoid guides

[vestal mirage]

Yeah that's pretty accurate

[olive saffron]

If you found the gameplay boring, you probably would have quit far far earlier

[vestal mirage]

We do a little organizing

At this point I don't pick up 1LPs unless I'm hunting that specific item

[quiet hearth]

and I just died because the game decided to not read controller inputs

[vestal mirage]

unfortunate

[obtuse perch]

This happens with any game though.

[quiet hearth]

I dont know what they did, last cycle it worked so well but this cycle Ive had a ton of issues

[obtuse perch]

I eventually just wanna play something else.

[vestal mirage]

There's also the part where I kinda want to farm out arbor. But with T10 CoF still being bugged, I'm hesitant to do so rn

It would feel like a waste of keys

[quiet hearth]

I mean nothing wrong with coming in, playing a bit in the cycle and leaving, it's literally made to do that

[vestal mirage]

Wait did they fix that yesterday? I must have missed the blog post

[vestal mirage]

HUGE

I wonder if I can even do T4 yet. T3 is easy enough atm

[short viper]

t4 is generally a decent jump but even a halfway competent build is only going to feel it for julra

cremorus has the HP of a particularly sturdy rare at 500c

[vestal mirage]

I'll be farming arbor for a bit

[short viper]

yeah if you are good on mechanics from the other levels it should be fine, but the stuff that hurts at t3 will prob one shot you at t4

the actual heart is a pushover HP wise

[vestal mirage]

in t3 i can just facetank and heal through it with HH lol. prob not in t4

[quiet hearth]

t4 is a noticable jump, but you should still be fine

[vestal mirage]

i love dungeon layouts

i do only have 2k hp rn....so maby not enough to face tank

nop

[quiet hearth]

actual hp is irrelevant, eHP is the facor

[vestal mirage]

true true

mine atm

shield build next perhaps?

nemesis has blessed me

[obtuse perch]

But, on the bright side. I made this.

[gentle cloak]

my secret to eHP is not having it 🙂

[merry sierra]

Does Eternal Eclipse give forged weapons a mind boggling +200 flat damage every 2 seconds?

[quiet hearth]

No, that is the uniques ability, they only get the flat stas

[sterile latch]

very true. You can beat t4 julra with under 1k hp like I did

[merry sierra]

rip. Thanks for checking my thinking

[quiet hearth]

However what it DOES mean is that they inherit all the flat dmg and pen of the Event Horizon hammer

[obtuse perch]

I do need to shuffle some things around when I equip this though.

[celest jetty]

How rare is scorn scepter ?🤔

[merry sierra]

oh, well...that is a lot of flat dmg, good shout

time to start farming for maces! let's see, what mono is that...

sigh back to the reign of dragons

[quiet hearth]

the pen is the big part, you take the nodes that give your little weapons 60 flat fire and they have at least 50% fire pen too? glorious

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRhGYDYBYg

it's a harbi only drop

[gentle cloak]

this is not a sentinel questions, but I thought the harbis were native to specific timelines?

Cuz I fought defilement in Rayah and was very confused

[vestal mirage]

I'm guessing it's best to go pally for a duo shield based build?

[olive saffron]

for monument? pala or forge are what ive seen

[vestal mirage]

ye monument

[quiet hearth]

Ive no clue about harbis, I fought the one mandatory one and havnet done anymore because I thought the fight was cancerous

[obtuse perch]

It might be that they get shuffled around after you beat them for the first time?

[gentle cloak]

I only fought the one prior (I've been lazy), and I was down to farm for World Splitter until this rando harbi came my way.

[olive saffron]

I believe there are 2 and they get an additional ability based on the timeline. they're specific for those timelines though so you wont find fat boy in Lagon

[obtuse perch]

I mean if you don't like it just turn it off?

[quiet hearth]

this dw palarus thing is dumb, I've got warcry critting for 1.5k XD

[gentle cloak]

ah so I got played, got it lol

ooh I'm dw palarus too! Wth a whopping, uh, 41 attunement

[waxen nymph]

!There is a bug on that one and it shows the wrong name

[quiet hearth]

lel

[gentle cloak]

🙌 Vlad with the wisdom! Ok so I got played by RNG and not the harbs themselves, ty haha

[waxen nymph]

It does spawn the correct Harbi, whatever is name really is

Just the hp bar shows a different name

[gentle cloak]

Got it. Then I am doubly saddened that I actually have to grind for the axe instead of being blessed 😢

[obtuse perch]

Ok this is exciting. My armor bumped up by a ton and I was able to fix my resists.

[quiet hearth]

yeah it's fairly easy to get resists and you're not slammed for being a few points below max either

[obtuse perch]

I just swapped out the necrotic resist idols for cold ones.

[quiet hearth]

yep lol

[obtuse perch]

I hoard every idol I find for these kinds of situations.

Also got the elemental res from paladin. I had to sacrifice some points elsewhere.

My health dropped by 100 points or so but I think it's worth it.

I also think this is alright to start with when it comes to gloves to use with Phantom Grip.

The attunement is just nice for myself, but the attack speed and health will benefit the swordies.

So I think my damage output is also going to be going up on average.

I just uh, have to re-spend points on my axe throw shenanigans. Because that's where I borrowed the points to get my elemental resist up.

[quiet hearth]

I think Im going the wrong direction with this dw palarus thing

[gentle cloak]

how so?

[olive saffron]

I felt like I did a lot more damage by dropping 1 for a sceptre / wand. You need a lot of strength to get the same amount of spell damage

[magic panther]

Ive gone DW with Palarus/Aurelis, doubled up on Aurelis for bosses. Melts faces. Its the survivability and in-between that's lacking.

Admittedly, I am still wearing a couple high-stat rare pieces.

[gentle cloak]

That's fair. I'm dw them myself, and I'd agree that it's largely unnecessary. I'm on the melee side myself, and it's not doing me large favors lol

[magic panther]

yeah, its the proximity and being locked into animations, plus lack of a decent gtfo skill thats bogging me down I feel most of the time.

[quiet hearth]

This is not a sent build lol, but it is giving me good info for my dw palarus sent

[magic panther]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRkYxpNA

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 81

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (34) / Void Knight (10) / Paladin (50)

General:

▸ Health: 1,234, Regen: 40.54/s
▸ Mana: 279.46, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 29%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 5 Dex / 6 Int / 41 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 78% / 160% / 119% / 100% / 101% / 26%
▸ EHP: 1,841 / 1,841 / 1,841 / 2,055 / 1,841 / 1,841 / 1,235

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 314
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,087)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 46%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Lightning / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (23)
• Lunge (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Smite (21)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Aurelis
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Devotion
• Ucenui's Sphere

[gentle cloak]

This is like the Among Us days all over again!

[magic panther]

I stole my Orian's Seal for an alt, so its absent.

[olive saffron]

are you scaling attunement or strength? for what skill?

[magic panther]

Att mostly for smite with DW aurelis.

the str is to supplement with palarus when I am doing echoes

[gentle cloak]

Attunement as well, but the focus is HH for me. I went Veng instead of Multi. My Smite is for the "used Smite/a spell recently" stuff + blind.

[magic panther]

I am currently in Empowered with this setup right now, despite still wearing rares, level 81, and pretty garbage stats.

[marsh warren]

OMFG I AM gonna CRY

[magic panther]

Reborn? You okay, bro?

[obtuse perch]

Oh man which of these is better? The first one has worse affixes overall but the base attack speed is way higher. Any input?

[gentle cloak]

Omg same, I still have on a Vipertail from leveling even lmao

[olive saffron]

I'd probably focus more on strength. You're lacking in flat spell power since you're not using sceptre/wands. Strength will get you a lot of flat and armor.

[vestal mirage]

yooo shield guy might be official

[magic panther]

Attack speed is generally king. You can test how each performs in the Arena on the dummies.

[marsh warren]

I wanted the 704% elem DOT and its the one thing it didnt doo😭

[magic panther]

Dang, that really sucks.

[gentle cloak]

Yeah the Dawn Blade for sure. The slight stat differences can be made up elsewhere, but the aspd cannot.

[obtuse perch]

I mean the frailty rate is irrelevant in the end. I have 12 forged weapons and MA with sword, enemies will be frailty capped lol

And I guess a mere 10% difference in ignite chance isn't that bad.

[magic panther]

hehe, my FG build uses bleed stacking 2h.. I can hit and maintain somewhere around 300-500 bleed stacks.

[obtuse perch]

Before using this sword I could go around 70 ignites. I'm not sure where to get more ignite from other than sheer attack speed.

Well, I can get from the passive tree but I'm kinda point starved rn. XD

[magic panther]

There should be some passive nodes that can help you. There's also some nodes in Holy Aura if you're using it, and I think Healing Hands does some work too.

[obtuse perch]

I don't have those. I'm doing a kind of "all of the minions" build.

So 4 of my slots are taken up by minions + multistrike.

Plus Volatile Reversal.

[magic panther]

Yeesh. I use Rive to generate my minions, with Forge Strike to just give them damage.

[obtuse perch]

Multistrike in my experience generates minions way faster than the other methods.

[magic panther]

Stacking Armaments and using Forge Strike is good too.

[obtuse perch]

The other methods have their own little quirks though.

[vestal mirage]

if I make a hc and die, do I perma lose the character or does he just become a normal character?

[obtuse perch]

Like Warpath can summon them consistently, if not super fast.

[magic panther]

Yeah, I dont know how I'd build a full minion sentinel. Rive minions are supplemental to my FG build. I was orignally going to go pure phys bonk knight with stuns, but that changed.

[obtuse perch]

Hard core characters that die get moved to the equivalent mode. But the stash will not move with them. Only what's in their inventory.

[vestal mirage]

I've been using multistrike for my minion build

[obtuse perch]

So if you're in hardcore cycle you go to normal cycle.

[magic panther]

Yeah, it generates a bunch at once. With my Rive, I am never not without one to two minions or a full group.

[vestal mirage]

multistrike to build up a few stacks of arnament and forge strike to use them + summon minions

[obtuse perch]

1-2-3-BWANG! 1-2-3-BWANG!

[vestal mirage]

pretty much yeah

[obtuse perch]

That's my rotation lol.

[magic panther]

hehe, to each their own. I like having the added utility of Rive insta-gibbing enemies/bosses below 15%.

[vestal mirage]

I tried rive but it didn't seem like it was spawning them nearly fast enough. Maybe I just didn't have enough AS?

[magic panther]

Thats very possible.

I know that once I dropped my stun hammer for a faster weapon, I had more minions consistently.

[obtuse perch]

Also the BWANG procs the attack speed buff.

[sterile latch]

That is better than having to keep a last laugh in your inventory always

[vestal mirage]

also need to use apathy's maw for this build so the attack speed in general isn't great

[sterile latch]

Yeah warpath makes u too lazy to use it

[magic panther]

Interesting you say that, Charlie, cuz I want to put my awesome bleed axe onto a 3-4 LP last laugh, so I can free up the nodes in Rive.

[vestal mirage]

hmm. do you think forge or pally passives are better for shield guy?

[magic panther]

build for the interested - https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkDxM9DB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (63) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,104, Regen: 121.29/s
▸ Mana: 114.93, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 47%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 88 Str / 9 Dex / 11 Int / 1 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 78% / 37% / 67% / 76% / 76% / 32%
▸ EHP: 2,490 / 2,490 / 1,808 / 2,817 / 2,490 / 2,490 / 1,741

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 301
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,164)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Lunge (21)
• Rive (21)
• Forge Strike (21)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• The Last Bear's Lament
• The Last Bear's Scorn
• The Last Bear's Fury
• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Valdyr's Chalice

[vestal mirage]

trying to decide on pally or forge for him

[magic panther]

Drew, pure shield/defense? Forge Guard has a lot of defensive stuff later in the tree, pally has some in the early tree.

[vestal mirage]

Yeah. Pure defense

[opaque grotto]

How do I export / import my character because i need guidance on my guy

[gentle cloak]

Nooooo. Embrace evil and do VK shieeeeeelds

[magic panther]

Yeah, Forge Guard has more shield defensive nodes than Pally. Pally does have access to Holy Aura though. and that can give you a lot of utility for defense.

[vestal mirage]

Hmmm true

[magic panther]

you use lastepochtools.com, go to build planner, import. put your account name, character name, then share

copy the link then paste here

[opaque grotto]

do i put my account name when i log in?

[vestal mirage]

account name and character name you're importing

[magic panther]

for the game, yes

in my example, my accountname is totalsticks, my character name is artorias (he was gonna go void knight, but I got distracted by a really awesome forge guard I saw)

[obtuse perch]

Speaking of 1-2-3-BWANG!, that Dawn Blade does make the 1-2-3 a bit more comfortable.

[opaque grotto]

Okay I figured it out.. Can I link my profile so i can get advice?

[magic panther]

Go for it.

[opaque grotto]

I went all smite and healing hands build i'm level 52

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/MellowFresh/character/Born2Game

[magic panther]

wrong one? lol

but that's fine

[opaque grotto]

i have 0 physical resistance lmao.

[magic panther]

oof, thats gonna hurt. but you're early anyways

[opaque grotto]

i cant unspec stuff or else i would've went for full phys resistance

[magic panther]

Okay, what is your primary damage here, smite? Procced by Healing Hands?

[opaque grotto]

Smite is primary secondary is healing hands

i mean judgment

[magic panther]

Okay okay. Gimme a minute to take a deeper look. What are you struggling with atm?

[opaque grotto]

I should be higher armor stats, And not one shot things . I see low level weapons but it sometimes has better stats which is odd.

i do understand the crafting table a little bit more now. on my chest piece i somtimes spec into vitality or strength

[magic panther]

the base matters, but higher rarities can negate that for a large part.

[obtuse perch]

Ok so despite my ignite chance going down a bit, I can now stack ignites higher. So the attack speed was all the difference.

[magic panther]

Especially with Uniques, as their effects can be force multipliers.

[opaque grotto]

i'm trying not go for the skills that have a negative red on it when i click on the skill

[gentle cloak]

it always is! Last cycle I did an ignite rogue and I was a fiend for any aspd for that very reason

[opaque grotto]

@gentle cloak is falconer fun?

[magic panther]

Negative red can still lead to better outcomes, depending. Like if you get +4 mana cost but 120% extra damage, you could probably eat that 4 mana no problem.

[opaque grotto]

i have 160 mana right now total

oops 103 mana, 1010 hp

[lament star]

how do u guys farm cof rank so fast ? spam low cost prophecy ?

[magic panther]

One recommendation, thats only a personal preference, is to map out where you want your final product to look like, and spend the minimal amount of points branching out to fill it, then backfill with extra points as needed.

[gentle cloak]

I found it to be fun, but I didn't mess with the broken builds from last cycle. If the scaling fire pen w/ int + staff actually worked, I would've played my build again

[obtuse perch]

Get exp

[magic panther]

CoF ranks up through killing stuff, AND also spending favor on prophecies, you dont gotta complete them.

[opaque grotto]

what's CoF?

[magic panther]

Circle of Fortune

[opaque grotto]

i heard merchant is better

[lament star]

im offline there is no choice

[magic panther]

HH Pally was fun, until it wasnt. 10+ min fights against bosses. Slow stutter-stepping through dungeons, etc.

[turbid dome]

Merchant is better until someone dupes gold and everything half decent becomes 80 billion gold

Again

[magic panther]

They both have their own up and down-sides.

[opaque grotto]

I still might go merchant tbh. it's probably only good one

[magic panther]

I prefer CoF partially because what Engi said, but also I like loot explosions. That and the sheer amount of loot you get can gear most alts up to a reasonable level.

[gentle cloak]

This is my gripe for sure. Lunge is just for lunging, so even though the class is strong I feel so slow.

[obtuse perch]

And I jumped all the way to 136 corruption. Raising corruption isn't so bad once you find the shade once or twice.

Is there a benefit to going as far away as possible to get a shade?

[magic panther]

So Merty, looking at your passives, you're pretty spread out over what you want to do. While that's fine in leveling, its generally better to specialize. While you dont have to follow any build guides, I would at least recommend looking at some and seeing what they're doing and why.

[obtuse perch]

Like right now I just prioritize raising corruption by any amount.

[magic panther]

OMG, Lunge.. I hate targeted-only movement.

[obtuse perch]

Are there no builds that use lunge as a damage tool instead?

[magic panther]

I do on my smite build.

[obtuse perch]

Just zipping between enemies?

[magic panther]

Also supplemental healing when it's off cooldown too, plus the insta-kill.

Spreading the "message" of the lord (smites). lol

Evade made my pally much more survivable, because I can get out of things like the Emperor of Corpses' huge aoe a lot easier. Without any mobility skills, thats tough to do.

[vestal mirage]

wait my hc account found character doesn't have the same stash as my non-hc account found characters?

[magic panther]

hc is its own ballpark

[vestal mirage]

i see

when he dies will he get access to my non-hc stash?

[magic panther]

presumably

[turbid dome]

If he dies you can res him into regular I think

[magic panther]

i havent done hardcore yet, though i really want to, maybe with a Spriggan or something.

[gentle cloak]

Lunge really is the worst. Consider me a Lunge hater.

[vestal mirage]

I see....I got the axe shield on my other sent which is why I wanted to try bash build. I guess I'll just play him hc till I inevitably die

[vestal mirage]

become shieldrush enjoyer like me

[quiet hearth]

lunge is amazing, just not as a traversal skill

[magic panther]

ah

[gentle cloak]

I don't have rooooom for it (I should really be dw, just not with palarus lol)

[magic panther]

Yeah, I've been big lunge user for a long time. But I do agree with Draven.

I do still, even though they said they fixed it, get stuck in place with lunge though, so that can kinda kill the mood for a moment.

[gentle cloak]

I lowkey wanna get of Mr. Bones' Sentinel's Wild Ride, but a 3LP Devotion dropped as if to keep me here...

[magic panther]

lol lucky

[quiet hearth]

You can evade out of it when that happens but yeah it's a little annoying but it happens a LOT less. But that missing health returned when you lunge with cd and extra charges? Oh man

[magic panther]

I wonder what a DW Primalist using Palarus, or even Spellblade, could do.

[quiet hearth]

and this is pre empowering, wish me luck

[magic panther]

GL

[quiet hearth]

I am doing primalist right now and it's stupid

[gentle cloak]

ooh nice, gl indeed

[magic panther]

Stupid good, stupid bad?

"Hot means cool, and cool means bad, and bad means good"

[quiet hearth]

the str stupid good, the healing from smite is great. Right now Im doing swipe for the global cit and they hit for like...1500 at lvl 40

[magic panther]

hmm.. add in the gloves for Swipe.. thats a lot of damage

[quiet hearth]

swipe gloves are dumpster tier though

[magic panther]

Oh no, you've awoken my altitis.

They really are. Only useful until you quickly find much better.

[quiet hearth]

what Im using

[magic panther]

mmm, thats hot

[olive saffron]

Big strongk

[magic panther]

try using the Last Bear's set items, full set gives you 40 str, chest only gives you 10.

And you get LOTS of endurance and hp regen, chance to stun etc.

[quiet hearth]

the set isnt worth it, the gloves though for that regen when Im stacking str

[magic panther]

Its very niche, yeah.

[quiet hearth]

Sent really needs more recovery tools

[vestal mirage]

healing hands go brr

[magic panther]

? thought they had a lot

[lament star]

Erasing strike leech brrrrr

[quiet hearth]

It do, but we shouldnt have to rely on it, especially with all the ward gen and the new regen nonsense primalst gets

[magic panther]

Oh, right.. I wanted to try a healing hands holy blade build too.

[olive saffron]

What are you trying to build palarus primalist around?

[magic panther]

Thats true, pally has to rely a lot on skills to heal them, meanwhile everyone else gets a lot of passive mitigation in the form of ward or regen

idk at the moment, might go tempest strike

attack speed palarus

[olive saffron]

Double down on the memes

[magic panther]

i am nothing if not a walking meme sometimes

smite is fire damage, no way to change it on primalist

[obtuse perch]

Yaaah!

[magic panther]

hrm, thats what makes me think of spellblade, though it'd be hard to work str into the build

[lament star]

tfw the nemesis stuns u 3 times in a row while u try to slam...

[olive saffron]

I feel like you don’t worry too much about the smite. You don’t have a passive tree giving you 200% more damage and you don’t have fire elsewhere to really scale.

[gentle cloak]

Is it worth 3 Smites every 2 seconds though? It's not doing much on Primalist; I feel like it'd only be for the scaling.

[olive saffron]

You basically treat palarus like being able to offhand a scepter/wand.

[magic panther]

offhand the palarus, mainhand something like Firestarter's Torch, Ladle, or Cinderwhatever

[obtuse perch]

I think the fact that I gained a very good offensive and defensive boost just now is making me a bit more exited to keep playing for a little bit.

[olive saffron]

Do we know if the two swords have separate ICDs for the smites?

[obtuse perch]

And it was just yellows too.

[magic panther]

i think its the same global

[obtuse perch]

I think the same modifier gets added together.

This means they are subject to the same caps and such.

[olive saffron]

And again, I think your options to scale smite is pretty bad. All the generic +flat from palarus is fire and primalist basically can only add/scale cold and lightning spells.

[magic panther]

yeah, the more I look at it, its not a good idea

even spellblade with fire stacking doesnt help

[olive saffron]

You can maybe make a build out of the fact that you can offhand a weapon that adds scaling for strength to spell. Your options for spell in offhand is just catalyst and maybe another sword or axe

[magic panther]

That and I already have a smite build running around in empowered, no point in making yet another.

[bright harbor]

should i make an alt for this

[olive saffron]

Attunement to melee seems weirder. Tempest Strike always has something for that so you do have that going for you.

[magic panther]

gengar, I made an alt for it myself, so I can become one punch man, or whatever judgement build i can come up with

[olive saffron]

Make a new main and go SLAM

[magic panther]

i really wanted to do something like crusader from D3 with Judgement, the walking explosion, add in shield bash.

[gentle cloak]

I mean I guess you could use palarus as off-hand for a spell werebear build? Idk that that's better than a catalyst but at least it's a bonus?

[magic panther]

problem is you're scaling only off of str and attunement, and nothing else, because smite is fire, and iirc primalist doesnt have fire as part of their arsenal.

[gentle cloak]

Mhm, you can't use all of the weapon. But I mean that's to be expected since it wasn't made for Primalist. I'm just trying to consider what areas it could be useful at all. As I am also addicted to alts so the theorycraft is fun haha

[magic panther]

that, and really, 3 smite limit in a short time is not really that much damag

[gentle cloak]

Agreed. Which is why I think its best use is on a melee Paladin, using Smite for conditional buffs over damage.

[magic panther]

yeah, and I only use Palarus on my build for when I'm doing normal clears, since Aurelis doesnt proc on normal mobs, and Multistrike has trouble proccing smites in close proximity or with single targets.

[olive saffron]

Something around EQ would be interesting. It is a strength based skill that can be changed to a spell.

[magic panther]

EQ?

[olive saffron]

Earthquake, aftershocks should go spell as well and also have str scaling

[magic panther]

Oh. I see it often used as an afterthought.

shaman earthquake uhh, lightning totems

could try to flat spell damage, and make Avalanche>Earthquake

[gentle cloak]

Honestly, if someone was threatening my life and the only way to get out was to recommend a palarus primalist build, I think I'm going spell Werebear.

Werebear, Swipe, Maelstrom, Tempest Strike, Tornado/Warcry? Phys Str stacker?

[magic panther]

Trouble is smite being fire, so you would be relying only on str/att and spell damage to scale it. It'd be tough, but doable.

[olive saffron]

Sounds lame. Go earthquake and become a muscle wizard

[magic panther]

I cast fist.

[twilit valley]

Can someone tell me the next way to scale my palarus please

[gentle cloak]

I wouldn't use it for Smite, it'd be the extra 0.5 Str scaling for spells as Werebear has 1.0 Str scaling for spells

[olive saffron]

Didn’t know it got free scaling, maybe entangling roots? I’ve never used that skill

[twilit valley]

I have 48 spell damage at lvl 80 and need to know what stats to add to my items to scale palarus

Guessing I need to add increase to spell dmg - what else

[magic panther]

it depends a lot on exactly how you're using it. is it base fire, has it been converted to lightning? etc

[lament star]

depends, what dmg is your smite, are you playing it dot or hit

[twilit valley]

I’ll be using it for fire

Haven’t decided yet what to play hit or dot .. what’s best

[lament star]

so hit based, you need to scale damge % (any is fine since it's additive) but also crit %

[magic panther]

fire damage, spell damage, str/att, damage over time if for dots.

crit chance and multiplier.

[twilit valley]

Ok I’ll test both to see what’s best at lvl 100 once I get all the gear

[magic panther]

Paladin is the only class that has access to Electrify btw, unless you're using Mad Alchemist's Ladle

[twilit valley]

I won’t be going lightning with palarus

[lament star]

dot is better if you dual wield with aurelis (lightning pen with electrify)

[magic panther]

mmmhmm, I get some nasty hits with it.

[twilit valley]

I’ll be using Shield with 100% block chance

[lament star]

reason is u can spread electrify with healing hands so it's a clearing monster

[magic panther]

very interesting, I hadnt considered that. I'll take a look at how I can reconfigure later.

[lament star]

100% block means naught if you dont have block effectiveness

[magic panther]

I mean, if you can retaliate from the block with an effect, that would be a sweet way to generate damage.

[twilit valley]

Question - does the node pillars of light affect smite double cast if I’m using palarus as melee ? Do I need points there or just rely on the weapon stats

[twilit valley]

I’ll have good block effectiveness later

[lament star]

the thing is playing melee palarus would be dangerous, you'd rather cast smite instead

[gentle cloak]

Idk, maybe? You can get Maelstrom and Wind Tempest (and maybe Tornado?) to do phys dot, so Roots actually does fit...

[lament star]

and casters can just run around

[magic panther]

pillar of light is from which skill?

nvm, its smite. And it ONLY affects direct casts.

[lament star]

no it wont bc you need to "directly cast"

[twilit valley]

I have a build in mind and it’s going well at mono 100 at level 80 .. I use ros / manifest armor / divine bolt and rive .. getting many bolts and smite and rive all at once is nice and survivability is great

[twilit valley]

Ok thanks .. thought so

[lament star]

surv is great till it aint

[magic panther]

yup, as my Forge Guard is discovering.

[twilit valley]

Time will tell still early days

[magic panther]

immortal up to empowered, getting ragdolled by normal mobs now.

[quiet hearth]

rive is essentially cheating

[lament star]

imo its better to do selfcasting because at some pt you'll be swarmed by mobs and it's better to cull their numbers before they reach u

but if you re not going for high corruption its fine i guess

[twilit valley]

I’ll see how far I get melee before I switch

I always aim for high corruption

[lament star]

also doesnt melee palarus have limitations with smite/sec ?

[twilit valley]

How so

[vagrant bone]

got a dumb question we think rive ignite is anyways possible lol

[lament star]

3 cast per sec with melee procs / you can cast faster with double cast and cast speed

[quiet hearth]

It's rive, all things are possible

[twilit valley]

Think it’s doable with the right amount of attack speed ?

[vagrant bone]

yeah but like viable lol

[quiet hearth]

It's rive, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE

[lament star]

but it's max 3 cast per sec is what im saying

[quiet hearth]

But in all seriousness yes it's extremely possible, if only because that one node exists that doubles your status and dmg affixes on 2h

[twilit valley]

Yeah but I’m also getting like 20 bolts a second and rive dmg

[magic panther]

IMO, palarus is only good for normal solo mobs. Anything else, you have multistrike procs, aurelis procs.

[twilit valley]

I’ll let you all know how it goes once I’ve geared up and at lvl 100 .. need a few days

[magic panther]

Yeah man, would love to see it work out. Smite/Lightning Javelin is one of my favorite builds. really evokes Dark Souls 2 lightning spear days.

[lament star]

my goal for this league is to play selfcast mana stacker smite

[magic panther]

Reminds me, I need to work on my Lightning Javelin build again..

[gentle cloak]

Palarus is for melee, not for raw Smiters imo. Better ways to do actual Smite dmg and clear.

[magic panther]

You know, for a short while, I had to resort to direct smites, because it was just more reliable.

[twilit valley]

I have a hammerdin smite - but I want to try melee for fun

[magic panther]

I wish Paladin has a node that let you use a Spear/Shield.

[lament star]

mana stacking smite with devotion > use judgement to consume all my mana. +200 spell dmg +50% casting speed

[deft ruin]

Agreed phalanx paladin when

[magic panther]

then I could use shield rush instead of lunge..

[gentle cloak]

You can do Dark Rush on Shield Rush tho

[magic panther]

doesnt shield rush require a shield though?

oh, okay, Dark rush removes that req

makes it void damage, but who cares, its just to get around

[gentle cloak]

Zoom full speed ahead with spear!

[magic panther]

I think I have a Turani's Bident in my stash, if so, the javelin build is a go. That or Void Knight, I've got all but the empowered drops for it.

[twilit valley]

Does devotion work if your melee ? Like increase the spell dmg per missing mana ? Guessing not

[magic panther]

Hmmm. can Smite echo? Yes, it does work, Baka

[lament star]

yes it works

[twilit valley]

Interesting

[primal wedge]

trying to make void knight caster work, but its just 10x the work for less output than 1 button classes do

[quiet hearth]

got 1 extra WW from the nemmy XD

[lament star]

but you need to keep your mana low. in my build i use the out of mana smite because i want to consume my whole mana pool

[magic panther]

Thats what I'm worried about, Cain. I mean, I dont mind the effort to make it work, but if its just not viable, or requires a ton of micromanaging, it may not be for me.

[primal wedge]

i mean its very fun to play

but so many of the nodes and passives have me just asking why

[twilit valley]

Just tested way more smite dmg .. mana always on 1-3

[magic panther]

I use multistrike's node that consumes mana to generate more armament stacks, keep my mana nearly bottomed out all the time.

[lament star]

can you sustain it tho

[magic panther]

And keeps my armament stacks high so I'm always smiting.

[twilit valley]

I have a lp2 devotion I’ll
Slam it later

[magic panther]

Yes, Le Gaucher

[lament star]

and the thing is if im going for mana stacking im going for 1k mana at least

[twilit valley]

Yes it always stays at 1-5 mana

[lament star]

1k mana i want to eat all of that in a instant. solution > judgement 100% mana consumption

[magic panther]

here's my build for example, keeps me always around 20-40 mana. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYlbVEJB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 81

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Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (34) / Void Knight (10) / Paladin (50)

General:

▸ Health: 1,234, Regen: 40.54/s
▸ Mana: 279.46, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 29%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 5 Dex / 6 Int / 41 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 78% / 160% / 119% / 100% / 101% / 26%
▸ EHP: 1,841 / 1,841 / 1,841 / 2,055 / 1,841 / 1,841 / 1,235

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 314
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,087)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 46%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Lightning / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (23)
• Lunge (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Smite (21)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Aurelis
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Devotion
• Ucenui's Sphere

[twilit valley]

Yeah I’ll need to see where I’m at after geared fully

Now I’ll plug along and use what k have and adjust accordingly as I go

[lament star]

ye but its not mana stacking

[magic panther]

not yet at any rate

[lament star]

i dont wanna ramp up my dmg, i want instant dmg

[magic panther]

u want big nomber, i want lots of smaller nomber.

but yeah, short of judgement eating all my mana, thats the only way I've been able to tank my mana and keep it manageable.

[lament star]

i also want to play the smite with this doom pulse for clearing probably

probably memey but idc

[quiet hearth]

Im actually planning on using that and gaspars and the meteor belt

[magic panther]

whatever is fun, yanno

my lightning javelin build sucks, but in a fun way. I could play that for hours compared to my empowered smite build.

[lament star]

i have void/fire/lightning skill on my skill list so i'd be able to maybe nuke trash

1k mana is still 100 spell dmg on doom pulse which is 500 when you take into account dmg effectiveness

[magic panther]

and that's just flat damage, then add the multipliers, thats big*

[lament star]

i dont do calculations i see numbers and thats it

[magic panther]

Now I'm totally on board for a direct cast smite void knight. I wont be able to use Darkstride effectively, but w/e

[quiet hearth]

It works with time and faith, it's so smooth right now

[lament star]

u'd need a mana spender if u go mana stacking route.

unless you dont use devotion then whatever

[quiet hearth]

The wengari that use avalanche are a problem, 1800 non crit

[lament star]

yup those guys killed me dead a few times

[sweet hazel]

Wengari Patriarchs are my bane.

[magic panther]

yup, mine too.

[lament star]

so i know when to run

[sweet hazel]

Their avalanche does absurd damage and stuns you every hit.

[lament star]

ngl nemesis is my new bane. i keep getting stunlocked cuz my erasing strike is too slow if stay too close

[winter copper]

get unique boots

[lament star]

getting locked 3 times in a row is no fun. good thing i can roll out of its melee range. sometimes not so good if i land into his cold dot aoe

[gentle cloak]

(you can level with the crab ring for some nice vit and ms)

[magic panther]

thats a good point

[quiet hearth]

I gotta work out the one true crab build sometime

[lament star]

i hate crab ring, im addicted to evade

[olive saffron]

play offline and you'll grow to hate evade

[lament star]

reason is i played a lot of grim dawn and evade is a must

[magic panther]

lol, i dont know what true crab build is, but there's gotta be something more to it

[quiet hearth]

GD has evade now

[lament star]

why ? @olive saffron i play offline

[olive saffron]

it likes to double cast and go right back to where you started

[vestal mirage]

oooo this could be good

[quiet hearth]

The crab scales 4% from Str, Att, and Int, so if you use Cleaver solution, you can scale int and str at the same time. Im wondering if it's possible to hit 100 in each

[magic panther]

cradle of the erased is awesome

[lament star]

uh it happens but that bc my mouse is aimed outside of the screen most of the time. double roll is an issue tho

[magic panther]

Red Ring, I think can help with it.

[lament star]

the crab is slow af

[magic panther]

the Last Bear set, Primalist stacking Str and Att, Cleaver Solution.. probably get a good chunk of scaling on him.

[quiet hearth]

I dont think the bear set is worth it

[magic panther]

yeah, the crab is slow as hell, and seems to attack slow too

[quiet hearth]

I havent used him yet, too many meme builds in the pipeline

[magic panther]

The bear set has propelled me into Empowered way before I was supposed to be there. I would at least recommend giving it a try some time.

[lament star]

bear set is good. 30str is a lot

[quiet hearth]

I have, and it is, but I dont think it's optimal

[lament star]

but when u get to emp u def can find better gear

[quiet hearth]

not even empowered, 30 str is nice but you need other things too

[gentle cloak]

Not me getting Apostate's Sanctuary while talking about VK Smite 👀

[magic panther]

for sure, dont forget the 10 str on the chest piece by itself

[lament star]

2nd best thing about last bear is the fat regen from gloves

[magic panther]

question: does Spreading Flames, if smite is converted to void, deal slow instead?

[quiet hearth]

That is the best thing imo given primalists stupid new regen stuff

[lament star]

is very comfy for lvling

[gentle cloak]

I don't think so. Fairly certain it only converts ignite.

[short viper]

combination of massive armor from teh str, endurance from chest, and regen from the whole set is enough to carry to empowered, it's a good tool to have

[magic panther]

aight, im off to theorycraft for a bit, you guys have fun

[vestal mirage]

wow

[merry sierra]

Blessed be the Weaver

[vestal mirage]

if only it had a bit more ww

I am literally unkillable leveling rn lol

[twilit valley]

You want it with 11% base -

[vestal mirage]

ele res? eh

[twilit valley]

They nerfed it also , used to be 13% and +2

Now it’s 11 and +1

[vestal mirage]

it will prob be replaced later. it's just insane as a leveling shield lol

[twilit valley]

Yeah it’s good, I have one last cycle that was close to 90% block chance alone

[vestal mirage]

sheesh

is mana an issue later on?

feels like bash + throw uses quite a bit

[twilit valley]

For what build