🔱┃sentinel

[marsh warren]

what is the best way to farm an adorned unique idol? I keep grabbing unique idol prophecies and they drop them:/ They wont even drop unique idols sometimes I am wondering if its bugged

[winter copper]

cause devotion alone gives you 200 flat dmg and then warpath another 40 , 40% of that is already more than 60 flat that scpeter does, just math

[stuck horizon]

Yeah, that does add up. So the 40% more dmg vs spreading flames target easily beats the flat from the sceptre implicit, is what youre saying right

You do have to scale mana quite a lot for devotion to give so much flat though, no? Sorry if I seem noobish, never played this build before

[winter copper]

yes, as long as u get more than 200 flat dmg from all sources its just better

[solid sedge]

how do people keep there mana drained for devotion?

[stuck horizon]

Got it, ty!

I have both a 3LP Firestarter and a 3LP Palarus, what affixes would you ideally slam on this?

[winter copper]

sigils

[stuck horizon]

Do you have a link to an "aspirational gear"-ish build playing that, Misha? Mine doesnt currently use sigils, I just drain mana with Holy Nova / Javelin

[foggy iris]

I'm playing forge weapons, do you guys know if the "Physical damage" and the "Increased damage" affects my minions ?

[polar juniper]

I need some help with Shield Bash. It's like doing no damage. and I cant imagine anyone would actually play it, but obvikously people do. Anyone able to help me

[vale ravine]

okay i guess at least it is patched (til the next one)

[slate creek]

overall, i just wanted to avoid warpath cuz ive done enough warpath builds and hoped the palarus would work well with rive.
Its very mid with rive. Feels icky to try and scale.

[quiet hearth]

this is why the bazaar should just be favor. Boost what we get from mobs, buy with favor, and then give us a special gambler where you can get uniques from

[vale ravine]

i mean let's assume that whatever curency you are using there is an exploit to be found (especially with poor coding techniques, sorry, but this one was.... let's just say preventable)
the real problem is not handling it swiftly enough. it's not enough to stop the leak, the duped gold needs to be removed ASAP as well and I mean even then we lost a week worth of items during the busiest time of the season

[quiet hearth]

You cant say bad coding becuase you dont know the code for one, and for two there is zero way to know what thousands of gremlins will do to cheat

But doing that with favor literally solves all of it, you sell your uniques to the bazaar for increasingly greater favor. Which you can then use to target slam random amulets until an omnis falls out

[vale ravine]

i mean not gonna write down what it was but i looked it up, and i wrote a couple safe coding practices guidelines to know how those kind of problems are usually happening and how you can prevent them 🙂
anyway, I understand what you are saying but the reality is that every system has an exploit. like you need to anticipate that people will try and succeed in cracking your system, that's the reality of today. so need to have an emergency management system in place.
I do agree tho, it is probably harder to exploit a separate currency system

[quiet hearth]

I mean I know how to code, some things are easier than others, but at the same time you never know what it is. Could be some weird secret squirrel thing that no one of sound mind would think of, or someone didnt close a case.

[vale ravine]

ye i mean it is not uncommon for smaller companies to need time to introduce processes which can prevent (minimize) such things happening. like the backend issues from 1.0 are kinda similar, how to do distributed high-available microservices is an art but it is established art. so im not mad about that, kind of expected tbh
just sucks as a player for it to happen again. I do agree with those voices who are urging more drastic measures tho, because this is quickly becoming a retention issue

[quiet hearth]

Oh definitely, but I take it all in stride really, especially given the size of their staff. Like you cant expect a small team like this to be able to fend off literally tens of thousands of players

I...uh...sure?

[vale ravine]

your 5 dodge is now 8

[jagged hamlet]

So warpath echo aint doing it for bossing - I got lucky with a +3 ensang so i have a ton of money to drop for either a respec or new build but want to stay sent - suggestions?

[vale ravine]

what is an ensang

[winter copper]

if u have warpat gear should be easy switch to rive, much better boss killer, check maxroll guide

[jagged hamlet]

Exsanguinous

[vale ravine]

ah

[jagged hamlet]

my b lol

[quiet hearth]

ok, time for a break, finally off work and I have been playing sneakily all day xD

[vale ravine]

shhhhhhhhhhh 😄

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

we must go faster

[turbid dome]

hey, its me, ur boss

[quiet hearth]

And? I aint scared, my access was down all day anyway, blame IT

[vale ravine]

it would be funny if you were the IT

[quiet hearth]

I'd love to, but I dont have any certs so no one will let me in, even though Im the one team leads send their people to because IT takes forever lol

[turbid dome]

I used to work in IT, all wifi restrictions never worked against IT. We spent half the day sharing cat photos

[vale ravine]

so ye Rive as Misha said or Erasing strike, but switching to ES is probably a bigger makeover

[vale ravine]

the last time we asked for a BsC as a minimum requirement even for R&D jobs was around.... 2011, ish? 😄

[turbid dome]

IT gaming

[polar juniper]

How the hell do you manage thke mana cost of Shield Bash... I'm evne using the -3 Mana cost Relic...

prefixes on my helm are flat mana and % mana...

[stuck horizon]

Before you get the shield from the dragon boss, mana regen prefix on amulet and belt;

Once you get the shield, you need the lightless arbor boots for bosses (I swap out for zoom zoom boots for mapping, and LA boots for bossing)

[icy jay]

With the relic alone i'm doing fine (be sure to take reduction node on skilltree too)

Mountain boots are good too

[stuck horizon]

You have to have 1000 mana to get 200 flat from devotion no? How do you get those levels of mana on a sentinel

[quiet hearth]

I dont even have certs because I worked in welding for years because it paid better at the time

[winter copper]

you can get way more, around 1500 with investment, just items with %/flat mana, some uniques, blessing, attunment

[stuck horizon]

Do you happen to have someone's (or yours if youre playing it, even if it's an old version without the sword) LEtools profile? Would love to see a turbo endgame version of this, all content I find is for early-ish corruption

[stuck horizon]

Do you get other mana scaling benefits in this, or is it just purely for devotion scaling?

[sterile latch]

I know there was a conversation on this earlier. I think the weapons do scale off str (on top of the armor you get). If you don't need mana from attunement it's really just 4% armor vs 11 weapon life. I choose attunement every time buuut str isn't terrible. Even on lich I liked str cuz 8 str is 32% more armor

Idk what else scales off attunement vs str

[polar juniper]

I wnat Foot of the Mountain. I'm on HC. Never done the Lightless Arbor dungeon. is it considered hard

[winter copper]

easy with rebuke

watch some videos on youtube

[finite raptor]

I got that. For a void knight, which one is better to combine with. This extra melee damage or that one? Also, what's the best thing to get on remaining slot on affixe? (Void pen, area damage for melee, or all attributes?)

[sterile latch]

It's rough on t4, t1 and 2 are to learn the mechanics. Need a cleanse for the poison roots and the rocks that drop hurt. Almost impossible to dodge cuz there's so many and it's dark and they come so fast

[polar juniper]

interesting. Easy to farm? Looks like t2 has a 20% chance to get the boots, which I'd be willing to farm as long as it's relatively quick / not RIPPY

[stuck horizon]

Most dangerous move is imo the beam on the last phase. You can just Rebuke it, but the "right" way to deal with it is to go behind the boss when he casts it. Can also dash through it with a damage immune dash like healing hands

[sterile latch]

Just go up the ladder until it's too hard. I think sentinel has an easier time than acolyte cuz sentinel actually has armor and stuff. I mostly fought him as acolyte

[sterile latch]

Oh yeah, unless they fixed it the beams go much longer than their visual effect indicates. U need to be in the back of the arena

[polar juniper]

damn sounds dangerous lol

[sterile latch]

Only on T4, it's not that wide below T4. A lot of attacks in this game seem to not align with their visuals like Elder gaspar's tribeam

[stuck horizon]

Can just stand "behind" (behind being opposite to where the line is aimed at) the boss no? The two beams dont do a full rotation from their starting point

[sterile latch]

on t4 the beams still hit if you're right next to the boss. Unless they fixed that

[polar juniper]

so there's like an invisible aoe hitbox around his front/sides that will still hit you

[stuck horizon]

Oh, that's what you meant, I misunderstood. Yea, I think that's still the case

Actually I'm not sure, I could comfortably sit in shield bash range, which isn't super short but not the longest either

[sterile latch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1bahu4w/lightless_arbor_can_anyone_explain_how_did_i_die/

[marsh warren]

Am I doing something wrong with shield rush? When I use it and spam the ability I keep getting locked in this weird skating walking animation and I cant get out unless I dash forward.

[sterile latch]

You can see the beams aren't even close to that character

They might've fixed it though, don't recall

[willow ermine]

25+ kills on harbinger black sun boss
no world splitter
220c+
good times

[vale ravine]

just buy one from... oh ye, nevermind

[winter copper]

skill is bugged online to avoid getting stuck you need to use it no more than once every 0.24 seconds, so you are just clicking too fast

[sterile latch]

Ah that's why I kept getting stuck

[marsh warren]

thank you so much I was so confused what I was doing wrong

[winter copper]

you can try binding it to mousewheel, helps some people

[polar juniper]

That looks more like desync. but I suppose if people say the visual is wonky, then probably

[sterile latch]

If ur not seeing it they fixed it for t4

[stuck horizon]

How can I figure out what my Attacks per second are? Trying to figure out how much attack speed I need to have to maximize Palaru's sacred light

[solid sedge]

it's your weapon attack rate, 1.16 in this case multiplied by (1 + your global % increased attack stat + increased attack stats in your skill tree).

[stuck horizon]

Thank you.

For dual wield, is it the average of the two?

[solid sedge]

not sure

[vale ravine]

think it is ye

[stuck horizon]

And for warpath I basically just multiply by 2

[sharp osprey]

I'm running dual palarus rn and it's so strong for leveling.
like 10k dps + 2.5k smite hits at lvl 30.
Does it scale well later on?

[polar juniper]

Does casting reduce my block chance or something?
I notice if I have my character sheet open and look at Block Chance % number, and spam cast Sigil of Hope, I consistently lose Block Chance (it drops for a half second) only during the casting animation

[stuck horizon]

Only started playing it yesterday but it seems pretty good so far. Lots of avenues to scale still; Im at 250ish corruption and dmg seems okay. I have a 3LP Palarus, waiting for a good exalt to slam on it.

Not dual wielding two of them though, need to run a sceptre on main hand to benefit from the busted warpath passive

[solid sedge]

do you have the sigil node that has every sigil give you block chance? Probably related to that

[stuck horizon]

^ Yeah, when you override a sigil it probably does ("remove 1 sigil" - half a second of one less sigil - "add 1 sigil"). Probably (hopefully) just a UI minor bug

[late hedge]

Ive noticed it too. And it shows as if you had no sigils for like half a second

[sharp osprey]

I'll have to try that later, i'm using rive instead of warpath and I feel limited by melee clunkiness.

[stuck horizon]

It's the same with Warpath minus ele res while channeling, and the affix plus ele res while channeling. They dont update at the same time on the UI when you start/stop channeling, you see your res values changing twice

[spring sail]

Is there a skill tree or passive one (or an item) that causes you to cast smite when using that skill? I don't see one and I thought I read somewhere that it was possible.

[late hedge]

I go from 53% block to 38 when I refresh a stack of sigil manually and not from sun seal

[stuck horizon]

yea im loving warpath tbh. Running the ring that gives you swiftness and wings of argentus, its fun to be so fast and nevert stopping to do damage

[stuck horizon]

There's several. There's an idol that makes throwing attacks smite. There's a warpath passive that makes you smite while spinning; theres a javelin passive too. There's a sword that makes you smite on melee hit; there's probably more

[spring sail]

Oh interesting. Thank you. I'm using Rive as a paladin and want to smite my foes with fire 🙂

[sterile latch]

Warrior's fury for more dmg per second?

[stuck horizon]

this

those are global modifiers, your procced smite benefits from them

[sterile latch]

Wow I might switch to warpath for fg minions too

[crimson rover]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/lava_burst

"scales with cast speed" what does this mean if anybody knows?

[sterile latch]

Casts faster the more cast speed u have

[crimson rover]

also how terrible would it be to stack atunement to scale this? :)

[crimson rover]

i was under the impression that triggered subskills don't have a cast time, they just go off

[sterile latch]

Yeah idk if it matters if triggered

[sharp osprey]

when I manually cast smite, it is definitely slower than when I trigger it through palarus

[bleak breach]

is this node worth diving into if my leech is already good enough with titan heart and other passives?

[stuck horizon]

For warpath, I just multiply this by * 2 right?

[bleak breach]

25% of my skill points into that seems like a really hard sell

[obtuse perch]

I am torn. Do I farm for all resists first or exp bonus?

[sharp osprey]

oh wow just encountered a bug with rive.
where it was attacking from a location different from where my character was.

[solid sedge]

yup

[stuck horizon]

uh idk what build youre playing. For dual wield builds, it is really strong, because you get 2x the benefit. Leech is easy to get elsewhere so not sure if worth it with an axe, but sword + sceptre is super strong

[obtuse perch]

Exp bonus gives more value if you get first right?

Level faster, get faction points faster, etc?

[bleak breach]

2h axe so prolly not then

[stuck horizon]

For a 42% Palarus Sword, I would need ~7 attacks per second to cast 3 smites per second, it seems. Is my math off? No right?

More of an investment into IAS than I thought it would be

[bleak breach]

hm, do i chaos the dot since i'm not using dot other than doom on apathy's maw? only concern is that the fp is already really low also what's the number beside the affixes?

[crimson rover]

is scaling attunement on a paladin a feasible way of scaling shield throw's lava burst"?

or a forgeguard i guess

[obtuse perch]

If you're stacking attunement you do it for more than just one thing.

Or any attribute stacking for that matter.

Find at least one passive node or unique that has a useful scaling effect.

Forge guard tree has armor applies to DoT that scales with attunement.

[crimson rover]

are there any "staples" that go with sentinels that stack attunement? i'm going to pick up all attunement related passives on sentinel (2 on paladin, and the DoT armor u mentioned)

[obtuse perch]

Yeah but in particular you should take that last thing you mentioned because it increases the value of each attunement point.

Obviously you also want other skills on your bar that scale with attunement.

[crimson rover]

i want to use lava burst from shield throw as my main source of damage since it can proc a ton of times

[obtuse perch]

You want as many vectors as you can for attunement scaling.

If it's JUST the lava burst it's not worth. If it's lava burst and a bunch of other things, then it's worth.

[crimson rover]

why would lava burst be not worth it you reckon?

[obtuse perch]

You don't understand.

Attribute stacking is only valuable if it scales multiple things.

Otherwise you should be stacking spell damage or fire damage.

[alpine canopy]

No, not at all. It scales with strength and dexterity. I don't know of any good way to scale it with attunement.

[crimson rover]

then perhaps going spell damage is better in that case

[obtuse perch]

Lava burst scales with attunement.

[alpine canopy]

Nope

[obtuse perch]

It does. It literally says it does.

[alpine canopy]

Sorry, to be more specific, it's a typo

[obtuse perch]

That's not what I said.

[alpine canopy]

It is a subskill of shield throw, so it gets all its attribute scaling from shield throw

[alpine canopy]

It follows all the rules of subskills

[crimson rover]

so it does, or not?

[alpine canopy]

that is, its own attribute scaling means nothing - it gets its innate attribute scaling from shield throw

[crimson rover]

what does "mean nothing" mean? the STR and DEX scaling of shield throw override its atunment scaling? if so then why does it say that at all?

[alpine canopy]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[crimson rover]

i'm asking you because you're the one who claims that it doesn't despite what it says

[obtuse perch]

Then why does the tooltip say these things?

[alpine canopy]

The link I posted is to a dev's answer on how lava burst works, they just haven't gotten around to fixing the text

[crimson rover]

wow

you literally meant what you said by it's a typo

[alpine canopy]

I love that they've translated the game into different languages, but ever since they did it takes ages for them to fix typos

[obtuse perch]

Calling it a typo is a vast understatement.

[bleak breach]

hm, that hurts, maybe i should avoid it

also how did i not get stunned there

[obtuse perch]

Also it doesn't work like this for fire aura, or spark charge, or axe throw procs, or anything really.

[alpine canopy]

You are immune to stuns while channeling

[bleak breach]

oh someone told me warpath was not immune to stuns

[obtuse perch]

Like if it doesn't work like this, it's not a typo, it's just something very wrong.

[winged wedge]

Any Forged weapons builds lying around?

[crimson rover]

thanks for clearing this up, would've been a massive disappointment if i went in this scaling atunement

[alpine canopy]

It does work for axe throw procs within skill trees, the other two are not subskills so their attribute scaling works as advertised

[obtuse perch]

Wym they are not?

Either way, it's not something you can handwave as being a "typo".

[alpine canopy]

They are cast from the player, so it calculates their stats when they are cast, unlike subskills which don't do that calculation and just take whatever stats they get from the skill casting them

[crimson rover]

do i assume there's better strength and dex scaling options with sentinel then than with attunement for lava burst yea? or is it still better to scale spell/fire damage you guys think?

[obtuse perch]

What on earth decides which is which?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah actually, there is that new sword that gives flat spell per strength. idk if it's a viable build or not, but it's something:

[bleak breach]

can herot stop getting stuck in the wall and juking me out on moving but staying stuck in the wall

just killed myself with his dot cuz i dashed into it thinking he was moving

[alpine canopy]

tbh, just the way it's programmed - but since that's not helpful, generally skills cast by other skills are subskills unless it's fire aura or the text says something like "doesn't scale with other nodes on this tree"

[obtuse perch]

And I just want to reiterate because this really bugs me.

I hate that they try to write this off as a "typo".

Do they have a "this attack scales with attunement and also the skill description has the attunement tag" key on their keyboards?

[fickle tulip]

There's really no point complaining about it here, and it seems they already know this so it is just a matter of time, but also feel free to make a bug report and give them a reminder.

[obtuse perch]

I'm sorry for needing to vent.

It just bugs me.

[fickle tulip]

Haha no probs man, honestly LE is already one of the better games on these stuff, for many other games you cannot even distinguish multiplicative bonus from additive.

[obtuse perch]

That's something different entirely.

PoE's UI at least does not lie to you, or when it does they fix it.

And I much dislike praising PoE.

[verbal schooner]

Poe has also been around longer, has more devs, and more funding. Mistakes happen

[alpine canopy]

I press mine accidentally all the time 😂
For real though, I think in Mike-language that just means it's an error in the description

and tbf, he may not know the intent either; when they come back to look at the issue, they may decide to make the mechanics actually fit the description rather than change the description to match the mechanics

[verbal schooner]

i was looking at a warpath/smite build on ladder, and they took the traversal node on healing hands. is this actually a good movement skill?

[tacit garden]

Yea it's nice. I've always preferred lunge tho

[sterile latch]

Your tip was insanely helpful. So here's a tip for everyone else. Your forged weapons snapshot when created. Bbbbusted

[verbal schooner]

lunge def better while im leveling with firestarter anyway lol

[fallow crater]

I tried lava burst a year ago and wondered why my damage seemed not to be scaling... anyway this seems like a pretty fun build idea

[fallow crater]

Also does that mean lava burst scales with the more damage from block chance nodes?

[alpine canopy]

It should, but I'd test it before building around it, just in case

[fallow crater]

Inappropriate and incorrect scalings??? in my ARPG????

[sterile latch]

You must be mistaken

[fallow crater]

Does Lava Burst proc when hitting an ally? It says "on enemy hit" but I don't know if taking the ally bounce node changes the "on-bounce" rules

[vale ravine]

guysguysguys it actually happened!

[short viper]

gz

[vale ravine]

only need to hit 25% now on the slam, surely it will happen!

[bleak breach]

holy, nice!

[warped blade]

so paladin passive bonus deal increased fire,lightning and phys damage equal to your percent health remaining. is that high health or low health for max effectiveness?

[bleak breach]

leech is not carrying me, trust

[warped blade]

how much crit avoidance do u have and armour

[bleak breach]

over 100% reduced crit bonus dmg on helm

armor is like 2k i think

[warped blade]

theres a helmet that can give that much?

[warped blade]

so u dont have 100% avoidance then

[bleak breach]

no but enemy crits deal 0 bonus dmg

[warped blade]

but how do u know that because crits from mobs arent distinguished

[vale ravine]

wat

[bleak breach]

i'd assume it's default 200% right?

[vale ravine]

yes you are giga crit immune

[warped blade]

well when a player crits the number marker is yellow but when a mob crits its the same color reguardless

[vale ravine]

i mean yes, but you also go "splat"

100% crit dam red == 100% crit avoid

[warped blade]

honestly i wish reduced bonus damage taken from crits showed in the stat menu like avoidance

cuz avoidance is additive and shows exact number

[vale ravine]

ye it was a "newer" stat added, i think at some they even said they are working on the stat screen but then that didnt happen

but believe, it's the same game term wise. only that reduction also comes with flat armor and it is not an all or nothing stat, every % of it is useful

[warped blade]

thats so weird

it not showing there is the only thing making me doubt its the same thing

[bleak breach]

still mad abt that dex roll on the helm XD

[vale ravine]

i mean you can doubt it all you want, this is how it works, period 😄

[warped blade]

oh are u doing void beams?

[bleak breach]

i did notice my survivability seemingly skyrocket with that helm

[bleak breach]

not sure what that is but i'm just doin echo warpath

here's the current build
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2P2x59B

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,082, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 129, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 9 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 85% / 94% / 142% / 78% / 74% / 91%
▸ EHP: 4,383 / 4,383 / 4,383 / 5,231 / 4,383 / 4,350 / 4,383

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 42%, Threshold: 416
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,043)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 26%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Rebuke (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Apathy's Maw
• Darkstride
• Siphon of Anguish
• Siphon of Anguish

[polar juniper]

Why does Shield Bash guide say to get CLoud Voyager?...........

[hoary kraken]

dang t7 bash anyone want this lol

[warped blade]

oh i guess that was the bosses abil

[bleak breach]

is that guaranteed to crit?

[warped blade]

good ol warpath

[lethal needle]

I wish, I've been trying to get one of these. Hit t7 holy aura and judgement so far

[hoary kraken]

sadge

[polar juniper]

Not bad, for my Shield Bash build

[turbid dome]

nice!

[spark monolith]

Is there any harbinger worth farming?

[sweet hazel]

Some have drops specific to them but I've not looked at who and what

[turbid dome]

swiftness from the new gloves is fun

[spark monolith]

Yeah, I guess I need to see if any of those uniques are in demand

[grizzled lake]

Any suggestion on a fun forge build

Fun meaning fast and can do harder content

[polar juniper]

I feel like this is better than Horns of Uhkerios.... DUnno, maybe the +1000 block effectiveness and +16 str is better

[summer shell]

horns is too insane honestly 100%inc melee 1400 effectiveness and 16 str when 1 is 1% more for bash

could be insane on bosses where you never block though, can golden aegis go over 100%?

[sweet hazel]

FG Novadin is pretty fun and extremely fast, though it's average at single target bossing.

[turbid dome]

wow I hate the harbringer in lagons arena

go go gadget spec into rebuke for just that fight

[alpine canopy]

That I don't know, though it is a pretty small area of effect iirc, which makes it a little hard to do shenanigans

[turbid dome]

you could sit ontop of a boss with a bunch of the floating shield minions if that worked

[vale ravine]

ye i was running in circles like a lil b

[polar juniper]

I'm lvl 66 and it gives me this when I'm buffed up

Not sure going over 100% does anything tho.

[vale ravine]

send me some energy dudes because the dupers destroyed the darkstride market as well so this is the only chance we get

[turbid dome]

you got this

[vale ravine]

im afraid

not mad

[polar juniper]

damn u got good odds....

[turbid dome]

no vitality is sad but thats pretty good

[polar juniper]

Movement Speed hype!

[vale ravine]

my next darkstride roll will be in 1.2 probably rofl

[polar juniper]

MS > Vit ? for Softcore?

[turbid dome]

are you a void knight?

Vitality is always good (6 hp, 1% necrotic res, 1% poison res) which is big because its a defensive affix in a prefix slot. Void Knight gets some skills that's damage scales with vitality, but also gets an extra 2 hp per vitality and .3% more melee void damage per vitality

move speed is good in general, but darkstrides giga juice your move speed as it is

[polar juniper]

1 in 6 chances that you would ahve gotten vit and health

[vale ravine]

"These actions have already had positive impact, as we see prices across the bazaar stabilizing." -> 200k item becomes 40M overnight, much stabilizing

[fair vector]

Just checking in case anyone knows for sure, do spells cast off of other spells, specifically Smites cast by Warpath's "Winds of Justice" skill node have a chance of being Echoed by Void Knights?

[vale ravine]

i mean i wanted vit + MS but ye at least one of the exalteds with classic hybrid health is a good consolation prize

[bleak breach]

it specifically says "your" but i suppose it doesnt specify "your directly cast," i would assume it's only your direct casts though

[fair vector]

Yeah, I was looking for the 'Direct Cast' thing, but it doesn't specify. I'm assuming no, but clarification would be cool

[polar juniper]

Ah. still 1/6 ^_^ Nice hit tho yeah

[vale ravine]

guys do you want to laugh. I have an absolute gem from Reddit

[alpine canopy]

Echoes only happen for direct casts - but those echoes can proc other stuff (I don't think that applies to winds of justice)

[vale ravine]

fakken hell i didnt know i was supposed to wait 30 seconds every time a ward phase begins!

[turbid dome]

isn't bleed falcon like the highest dmg build in the game rn

[vale ravine]

i mean maybe but how the hell are you not demolishing ward bars with ES or Rive 😄

like ES gotta be at least top 5 bossing, damage wise

[bleak breach]

i do feel like the ward bar is a bit excessive with health for big bosses, for the smaller guys i just find it as a cool mechanic that makes a cool (but way too loud) sound to indicate just how fast you're decimating the poor guy

[turbid dome]

you just gotta go brrr with VR'

[bleak breach]

so satisfying to get 2 warpath echos up then hit VR and watch the guy's health just disappear meanwhile murdering my ears with 1-3 shield break sounds instantly

[turbid dome]

yes

[tribal basin]

Did someone ever made the math what Weapon would give Forged Weapons the most damage considering all Flat and passive bonis from the Tree ?

[polar juniper]

Has anyone found a good build with this. It sounds kind of cool. Warpath through stuff and proc Axes with inc phys dmg... dual wield. I dunno the Warpath skill too well, but it sounds awesome

[bright nest]

for my forge guard, finally

[fallow crater]

But I love shenanigans

[nimble crag]

Anyone happen to have a solid healing hands dps build?

[crimson rover]

is there a way to make lava burst from shield throw and smite (which can be triggered by the idols) scale in the same way?

i want to stack both ignite and bleed on shield throw and focus on lava burst damage and its ignite

[spark monolith]

You're scaling them both by focusing on dots

although I would focus on one dot

because you want both duration and penetration

[crimson rover]

i see

[polar juniper]

LOL oops.... that's a dangerous button if you're not used to it. (HC)

[ebon heath]

I do a VK with Sword/Mace in the last Season. Full Crit/throwing and physical damage and it was really great ^^ . Warpath echo launch axe too.

[polar juniper]

ah that's cool

[sweet hazel]

Just roll cof and start farming some unique boots lol

[bleak whale]

They both deal fire damage and have ignite chance nodes so you will want to focus on fire damage, ele damage over time and ignite chance. Dont focus on bleed or use maehlin's hubris to convert bleed chance

[crimson rover]

do u think those gloves really an improvement over just going full ignite? the only real use i can see is double dipping on smelter's might passive in forge guard

[vale ravine]

ye im sure i will find many LP2 darkstrides in the lvl2 dungeons i need to run with my blue gear 😄

[crimson rover]

smite is also another fire spell that scales with attunement (like lava burst) that can be scaled through ignite (although i assume it wouldnt stack it nearly as high as shield throw ricochet+ lava burst can)

[bleak whale]

Im using them on my shield throw forge guard which uses the new unique shield/axe and 5 points into weapons master for an extra 75% bleed to convert. Its a decent option for an axe guy.

[vale ravine]

"stabilized" rofl

[crimson rover]

hold on, you're playing something very similar to mine, ya? do you try to scale lava burst or just focus on ignite?

[sweet hazel]

I could be rich right now is what you're saying, I have a double T7 health belt in my stash waiting for something good to put it on :kekw

[vale ravine]

if one of it is hybrid health then ye, millions

% health wasnt scalped cause i guess that's not meta

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, if memory serves it's 118 Health, 9% Increased Health and then 158 flat

[bleak whale]

Im using fire damage and ignite chance which works for shield throw, lava burst and also smite but you could also use attunement and spell damage to scale lava burst and smite directly

[vale ravine]

alarmingly this is legit becoming the meta rofl
got a good item early league? stash, wait for exploit, offload because the gold remains

[sweet hazel]

I guess so, lmao. I just stash them for use on future characters/legendary attempts, like that perfect roll T7 crit chance axe I was gonna give away earlier

Might roll a 2h primalist or something idk

[vale ravine]

i mean right now might as well, you cant buy anything so either just keep farming hoping for a 1%er drop or roll something new

[crimson rover]

@bleak whale msging you on privately, ok?

[sweet hazel]

Yeah for sure, I just play CoF SSF lol

I've got a lot of dank stuff in my T7 / Dual Exalt tabs tho, this has been a good season for me

[vale ravine]

i was selling becuase i wanted to kit out before prices fly away...
was literally 1 day too slow kek

[sweet hazel]

💯 😂

Definitely a day too slow

[bleak whale]

Yea

[sterile latch]

Hecks yeah!

[obtuse perch]

That doesn't make it a "typo". Please comprehend what I'm saying.

[obtuse perch]

I hope they do, because the descriptions are way more interesting.

[sterile latch]

It does less damage than my apathy's maw 😭

[vale ravine]

i mean... why would it do more?

[somber leaf]

what build do you run with that? On which class?

[sterile latch]

forge master crit forge weapons

[somber leaf]

Oh so minions damage?

[sterile latch]

yeah, but minions should be inheriting the melee crit and the 210 melee dmg

[vale ravine]

ohm

[sterile latch]

my apathy's maw only has stun avoidance, no crit chance prefix

[vale ravine]

so LE tools says world splitter is dropping from cruelty in black sun but i have defilement in that timeline, what gives?

[quiet hearth]

well this is weird, the item isnt in the planner

[waxen nymph]

There is a visual bug on the name of that Harbinger
The axe still drop in Black Sun

[vale ravine]

ah okay cool, appreciate!

[marsh warren]

does increased damage over time effect elemental damage as well?

[fickle tulip]

Yes

[marsh warren]

ty

[fickle tulip]

It affects elemental dots like ignite and frosbite

[lament star]

does anyone play bleed forged weapon ?

[marsh warren]

thats specifically what I was looking for awesome

[vale ravine]

we pivoting boyz

back to basics lol

[sterile latch]

[lament star]

beybladin...

[sterile latch]

So much better than Alluvion. Show the bad rolls under it tho

[vale ravine]

how did you know XD

[waxen nymph]

I have played it before
Do you have a question ?

[vale ravine]

ye it's the night of half successful slams

[sterile latch]

That's not bad. Rolls are decent, even health on melee hit will help keep weapons alive thru boss dots

[vale ravine]

ye better than a world spliiter which you cant really get right now, for the time being. just need to switch my ammy to make up for mana

[sterile latch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7xY94mo

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (4) / Forge Guard (59) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,628, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 219, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 5 Dex / 13 Int / 24 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 95% / 80% / 64% / 80% / 74% / 69% / 76%
▸ EHP: 3,776 / 3,776 / 3,387 / 4,355 / 3,862 / 3,708 / 3,776

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 427
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,617)
▸ Block Chance: 8%, Mitigation: 20% (220)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Warpath (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Titan Heart
• Alluvion
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Death Rattle

[sterile latch]

Yeah this is my build with 100% crit chance now. Mathematically it's just under 100% so there's something weird going on (maybe with the rings) because the swords always crit. I think I'll swap off death speaker's and maybe swaddling for good exalts and switch back to maw. Building for crit hasn't been worth it with 2hs

[lament star]

im in monolith and the aoe dmg is struggling. packs are not dying fast enough. bossing is good tho

[spark monolith]

why can't you get world splitter?

[quiet hearth]

So uh, this is happening right now

[vale ravine]

cause the market was destroyed by the dupe

i mean sure, you can get a bad one

but i wont progress with that

[waxen nymph]

Thats one for the issue with FW
Do you have the area node inside FS?
Do you have the Great Axe node ?

[quiet hearth]

does healing effect boost regen?

[lament star]

yes to both

[waxen nymph]

No, Regen is not Heal

[quiet hearth]

we get a really small amount of hp regen as a stat

[waxen nymph]

Its requires a lot of investment agreed

You want Flat Regen + %Regen

Lagon Blessing helps

[lament star]

what affix did you focus on ?

[quiet hearth]

no I meant support in the tree for sent, you really dont need many stats for hp regen

but I found some gear today that has me eyeballing another build and so far, wearing just 5 set items

[lament star]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Ba9zYXYB @waxen nymph where did i go wrong or what can i fix ?

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 68

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (45) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,206, Regen: 21/s
▸ Mana: 150, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 164% / 91% / 67% / 60% / 105% / 31% / 45%
▸ EHP: 3,005 / 3,005 / 2,763 / 2,955 / 2,995 / 2,226 / 2,275

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 241
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (178)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,163)
▸ Block Chance: 49%, Mitigation: 38% (835)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (20)
• Multistrike (21)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Shield Bash (21)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Doublet of Onos Tull
• Wing Guards
• Thorn Slinger
• Phantom Grip
• Orian's Sun Seal

[quiet hearth]

what even are we doing here?

[lament star]

bleed forged weap

[waxen nymph]

Use a 2h and Void Cleave

Otherwise your Dmg is going to be super low

[lament star]

thats no longer bleed no ?

[waxen nymph]

You kinda want VR too

[quiet hearth]

VC has a bleed node that deals more dmg per bleed

[crimson rover]

does "increased shield throw crit chance" work with its subskill lavaburst?

[quiet hearth]

no, lava burstis its own deal

[waxen nymph]

Why did you Max Forged By Fire (Flat Fire Dmg ) ? Max out heavy strike instead

[waxen nymph]

It should, because its a subskill

[quiet hearth]

that goes against like, everything Ive ever been told about subskills

[lament star]

i see ty

why VC tho

[waxen nymph]

Yes but rn you are still kinda lvl and 150% Ignite per Weapons is still going to go a long way

[lament star]

oh ok

[waxen nymph]

It still scale with %DoT

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, Im using the same principle for the triple dot nonsense I am doing

[lament star]

im not gonna budge on the SnS since im hc

but i guess i need a better main weap ?

also would salt the wound work here if I use a weapon with crit multi ?

[quiet hearth]

that's a lot of points though

[waxen nymph]

No

[lament star]

is there anything better than melee aps glove ?

[crimson rover]

atunement can roll normally on sentinel gear, ya? i'm not making a huge mistake by playing cof attunement sentinel am i?

[waxen nymph]

You are right it can roll on Sentinel gear

[ebon patrol]

you know I feel like people are really sleeping on potions as a source of healing for FG

with jungle queen belt you can hold 16 potions, and his 2 potion passives do a lot to add to your tankiness. it seems better than having to give up on something like void cleave for healing hands or somesuch

like I am healing constantly while also getting the survivability buffs from the passives and with so many held potions and the huge boosted potion chance from the passives i've yet to run out evne when flat out mashing the drink button

[waxen nymph]

@crimson rover

[waxen nymph]

Yes, you dont have Bleed Chance suffix on your weapon

[crimson rover]

you're the best amigo

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/my-besto-friendo-jujutsu-kaisen-zorothex-gif-23553828

[quiet hearth]

time for that poison rive build

[waxen nymph]

No exalted Chance to Poison ? 😢

[clear hemlock]

Is this the proper channel to ask about builds?

[waxen nymph]

Sentinel builds ? Sure go ahead

[sly valley]

Which is more valuable between penetration, flat damage and increased damage?

(more damage aside)

[quiet hearth]

...time to build bleed rive I guess

[clear hemlock]

I'm looking to start a Warpath build and was wondering which was easiest to play among the three variants, Void, Fire or Forged Weapons?

[crimson rover]

if i got 30 points in the 1st half of the forge guard tree, can i still get ring of shields if im not forge guard?

[quiet hearth]

Jean, pen is generally the biggest multi when you can get it, but flat is good early. Warpath is pretty balanced around the three but void needs less equipment imo, and apple you have to be that mastery to get the last half skills

[lament star]

nope you dont unlock skill past the chain in the skill page

this chain in the middle

[waxen nymph]

Forge Strike ^^

[waxen nymph]

Fire imo

[sly valley]

is that a good idea to stack strength for phys penetration on forge guard instead of increased phys damage ? it's "only" 1 for 5 i think

[clear hemlock]

Regardless of gearing which do you think is easier to pilot

I mean less buttons or attention needed

[clear hemlock]

Looking at the build sites, that also seems to be what I think is easiest

[waxen nymph]

Fire Spell with Paladin Flame Burst (holy Aura) Smite

You need a Sword and a Sceptre and you are good to go

Ideally a Palarus sword would be nice

[quiet hearth]

I havent played a flame burst build since the buffs, I should do that

[clear hemlock]

I guess I'll get to farming those with my Warlock. Thanks everyone!

[quiet hearth]

wrong place to ask

man getting some armor shred was a game changer

lightmages deal entirely too much damage for how often they can spam their ability

[obtuse perch]

As a rule of thumb, if your damage is multiple things (which it usually is), it benefits from buffs to any of these things. Provided they do not apply to something your damage is not.

So if you deal fire damage with a hit from a spell, it benefits from fire, hit, and spell buffs. But not melee fire buffs or fire dot buffs.

[willow wedge]

This issue is fixed for 1.1.1 dataset. Also drop info for mono bosses/harbingers and aberroth is more detailed now.

[sweet hazel]

The bird dudes that cast the light meteor thing?

[quiet hearth]

yep

[bright nest]

god damn the experimental mod on boots for forged weapons is SO good
makes mono lithing with those minions feel 100 times better

[waxen nymph]

Minion TP ?

[bright nest]

Yeah, I made these boots yesterday and I now went from being oke with the build to loving it
low tier, but beggers can't be choosers

[waxen nymph]

Thoses are sweet Boots !!

[bright nest]

not perfect though, need higher teleport tier, exalted attunement and not armor but more health T.T
but yeah best boots of the cycle so far.

[patent marsh]

Hey guys can you recommend me a build that is strong enough (for beginners) to farm harbingers with please? Want to go Sentinel, but no idea which build

[ebon patrol]

Fg minions been working for me so far

[terse burrow]

When youve hella farmed on your Main and are ready to lvl an Alt

[sterile latch]

If u use the healy traversal spell with this will it always hit a minion by teleporting a minion to the location? Thereby getting a reset if the minion is not damaged?

[bright nest]

haven't tried that combo yet, was just talking about it though.
I'm currently using void cleave for traversal and buff

yes it works but onyl if there is health to heal on the minions

also the movement isn't much faster than walking weirdly, but the immune can be nice I guess.

[sterile latch]

Yeah and sometimes u don't want to move minions cuz it pulls them off the target. Thanks for testing!

[nimble mantle]

anxiety kicks in 👀 👀 👀

[terse burrow]

Ive got some lvlin to do

[gilded gale]

I was wondering, is there a cast speed limit beyond which Smite will not continue to hit faster?

[solid forge]

Not that I know of

[vernal scroll]

I sure i've read somewhere that smite cannot be casted more than 10 times a second

[gilded gale]

That's the proc. Not the self-cast

[wet forum]

I wouldn't expect self cast limits, however I would expect server tickrate rounding to be a possible issue at extremely high cast speeds

[gilded gale]

Yeah i'm only sitting at 91%, but with devotion, I was curious if ~135-140% would start causing issues

[twilit valley]

If I start a new hero , can I use weapons I found in stash from other hero ?

[gilded gale]

Yes, as long as you adhere to the level limits

[twilit valley]

Yep

I’ve tried every paladin build and imo they aren’t strong at all ..’think it’s time to try void or fg

[wet forum]

140% should be perfectly fine, you don't really need to worry about engine limits unless you find a way to get like 1000% ish - which I don't think there even is a way to do

[twilit valley]

Is void night best for smite ?

[wise rune]

paladin is

[twilit valley]

Paladin is not strong this update

[wise rune]

paladin is strong at least comparatively to the other sentinel classes

[vernal scroll]

what about bleed hammerdin doing corrupt 1200 and T4 julra in 12 sec already ?

[twilit valley]

Hammerdin is the only build I haven’t tried for paladin ..

I should try it since I’m lvl 100 I guess ..

[wise rune]

in fact the first hardcore character to level 100 this update was a paladin

[vernal scroll]

I'm turbo enjoying it, I didn't expect that

[twilit valley]

Ok nice to know .. is there a way to see the build

[vernal scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLEuiMC0O_M&t=113s
And guide https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/bleed-hammerdin-guide

[wet forum]

I'm really not into spinning hammer novas myself but it is strong for sure

[twilit valley]

Thanks - I’ll check it out now

[vernal scroll]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/bleed-hammerdin-guide

[wise rune]

you can take their username from the ladder and put it in LEtools to see their specific build

[vernal scroll]

Thats what i thought too BUT DAMN it's really really REALLY FUN

[twilit valley]

Ok thanks for the info , curious to know if any paladin smite is up there

[wise rune]

looks like 30th on the hardcore level leaderboard is a smite paladin

[twilit valley]

Oh so if I just search any username top 50 it will show their build ?

[vernal scroll]

making hammer swing and fullyu charge throught an echo and one shoting everything in your path is so damn good

[twilit valley]

Ahh maybe I should spend time checking out players builds . I really like smite and enjoy it but just kinda stuck now

Will see their build and see what I’m doing wrong I guess

[wise rune]

what were you struggling with as smite paladin

[twilit valley]

Not sure , I was 2000 corruption last season . Maybe cause no ward this patch I’m struggling

I have decent gear .. but dying here and there to harbingers

Monos are pretty easy for me .. just harbingers

[wise rune]

yeah well you should absolutely not be using 2000 corruption as a benchmark for if a build is good or not

[twilit valley]

Yeah I’ve only played this game for 3 months , heaps to learn I guess

[bright nest]

if you can kill the pinnacle boss you have a decent build

[icy jay]

Is it intended that i don't visually see shields from rings or shields? All i see is the summon counter icon top left . But i never see actual shields rotating. That happen both on direct cast and proc from fg passive

[wise rune]

the only issue paladin has is that it's survivability is very gear dependent , which is a problem shared between all the sentinel masteries

[solid forge]

That's the only fair mark for now indeed.

[twilit valley]

Tub - can you show me how to search a build from ladder

[wise rune]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ use this link then put their account name in

[twilit valley]

Thanks

[twilit valley]

No matter what I type says user not found , can you link me a top paladin smite to look what . .. not sure what I’m doing wrong

There’s someone named PalNapal on normal ladder . Would love to see his build but can’t

Do I just type PalNapal in username , says not found

[wise rune]

you need the username instead of the character name

[twilit valley]

Oh how do you do that

[wise rune]

it shows the username for the top 3 i'm not sure if theres a way to see it for the list below that

[twilit valley]

Oh ok thanks

[willow wedge]

Just go to https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/ then switch type/mode for your needs and click on any char name there to look up the build

[twilit valley]

Ok great Ty

[wise rune]

oh there you go

[twilit valley]

That’s awesome thanks . Nice I’ll be able to see what they’ve done different

Back later ty heaps

[vernal scroll]

Can someone explain me why with somewhat not too bad gears i'm getting destroyed on 100 corrupt monos ? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Nilenul/character/Nilepape I think there is something i forgot as a stan but can't get what

Or maybe it's because mobs are lvl 100 and i'm 76 so my block effectiveness are really low ?

[wise rune]

well you should start by capping your resistances

then work on getting more armor

[waxen nymph]

Low res, low hp, no good crit Mitigation, no endurance

[wise rune]

unfortunately on sentinel you have to actually think about your defensive stats

[turbid dome]

[vernal scroll]

Expect my void, all my stats are maxed out thant to the aura

[sly valley]

you're missing res in : fire,cold,ighting,void ; Try to get at least 45% armor mitigation (i think it's a minimum) ; You should have either 100% critical strike avoidance or 100+% Redured Bonus damage taken from critical strikes ; Try to get some stats against DOT too ; More endurance is always enjoyable

low health too, but enough for 100 corrupt i think

[rancid lantern]

Hm

So, interestingly, Ravaging Aura scepter makes Void cleave instant, meaning it doesnt interrupt Warpath. So that's all pretty cool. but it doesnt seem to consume the 80% more damage from 2 sec warpath channel. Not sure if thats actually taking effect or do I need to stop warpath to consume it

[summer shell]

Hp is super low. You should probably replace those block effectiveness idols with double life as soon as you can, you're only at 37% block so you shouldnt worry about block effectiveness over other defensive stats

[oblique sandal]

what unique is the ravaging aura scepter?

[rancid lantern]

Abberoth's Command

[vernal scroll]

Thanks for the review guys, i know what to focus on now

[rancid lantern]

ill test it on dummy to see if the 80% more is applied

[summer shell]

First thing id do is go get reign of dragons crit avoidance blessing, you only need an average roll to hit 51% on top of your 49

[rancid lantern]

oh, you guys doctoring planners? I got a plan one

just hit 65 and id appreciate critique on my plan.

[vernal scroll]

That's what i'll do, i'll also upgrade my chest and helm, armor implicits are way too low

[turbid dome]

Slap it on in here

[summer shell]

Yeah unfortunately sentinel is in a bad spot where u really cant afford to sacrifice your defensive stats for that bleed chance on your chest even though it's a nice roll

[rancid lantern]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP5NK96A

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (37) / Void Knight (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,954, Regen: 153/s
▸ Mana: 123, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 84 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 99% / 99% / 94% / 89% / 100% / 100%
▸ EHP: 9,553 / 9,553 / 9,553 / 15,234 / 9,553 / 9,553 / 9,553

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 791
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,558)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Erasing Strike (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Void Cleave (21)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Blade of the Forgotten Knight
• Atrophy
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[turbid dome]

Right off the bat good vitality

[rancid lantern]

I wish ravaging aura got vitality scaling, i think even with all the quirks, beams got more damage just on account of the vit

[turbid dome]

True

[rancid lantern]

but its pretty damn satisfying to just warpath through the entire monolith

and just cleave every 3 sec as you move cause instant cleave doesnt interrupt warpath.

[terse burrow]

still got a ways to go....

[turbid dome]

I take it you don’t need an extra charge for cleave

[vernal scroll]

Is armor mitigation, exclusively calculated by the armor number ?

[summer shell]

Increased armor is factored in, what it says on the sheet is what it does

[rancid lantern]

@vernal scroll Press G and look up armor, the calcs are there

[rancid lantern]

Unnecessary.

[summer shell]

I'm curious why you have erasing strike specced? Seems like you could easily run the new sigils ring unless you're going oom with warpath

[vernal scroll]

dope ty

[rancid lantern]

Beams are void damage over time that scale with a ton of flat from vit. Theres no supplementary skill that would give ravaging aura tick harder than the two combined

they finally fixed the damn beams, they are so nice in packs now

[turbid dome]

@rancid lantern the build looks solid, only thought is that you could drop some points from world eater to stick them somewhere else.

You might not need 6 points in it for good leech

[rancid lantern]

the constant 5% current health degen kinda warrants it imo. I got 7 "spare" points in Renouncement and Doom Knight, but I don't really see any attractive place to put them

[turbid dome]

I see

[summer shell]

I've never really played with void flux do you think it's actually a useful defensive?

[rancid lantern]

Its just a 1p

It might be bugged

saw a post from 3 months ago, not sure if thats still the case. gonna test.

hmmm

I tick for 150-200k at lvl 65 for like 4 seconds, I think thats pretty solid.

[turbid dome]

It’s not bugged, it yeeted a spire and some other enemies into the future for me yesterday

[rancid lantern]

Okay great, so it got finally fixed then. looking forward to that

[turbid dome]

I was very confused at where the spire went cause my leech full healed me half a second later

[solid forge]

Farm all week, get nothing. Do a random 10 min session before work :

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

that was my literal first nemmy item from the first one that pops in the story, I didnt see another unique until like lagon

[summer shell]

Ring is absolutely stupid overpowered early on lol

[rancid lantern]

Forged weapons in general are. I rerolled however. I think they still have poor scaling into empowered

they fell off pretty hard for me. So I dipped into this ravaging aura instead :p

[summer shell]

The scaling is just soooo expensive, you need the exodia combo of perfect crit wep crit gloves and double perfect rings to even start scaling crit

[rancid lantern]

Id argue ailments should be cheaper with maehlins.

[quiet hearth]

I found something that shouldnt have worked and now Im 10 lvls under in monos before empowered have zero dmg issues and it scares me

[rancid lantern]

Oh ? @quiet hearth You can't just say that and not share with the class.

[summer shell]

How do the rings interact with maelins? Do you need sum total 100% for it to function

[rancid lantern]

up to 100% and no more needed

cause they dont scale beyond 100% conversion anyway( confimed that earlier )

[quiet hearth]

triple scaling ignite, bleed, and poison using the ruby fang set abusing all the pen FG gets

[summer shell]

Can you convert 200% with two rings?

[rancid lantern]

Nope. @summer shell

[summer shell]

Sad

[rancid lantern]

not necessarily, means you can run one and have a free ring if you get a good glove conversion ring roll

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget Draven’s super dot build

[rancid lantern]

Do elaborate.

[quiet hearth]

the apathy gloves did a lot, as did getting those armor shred nodes

[rancid lantern]

I always wanted to make a ruby fang build.

[summer shell]

You guys think sets would actually be too strong with lp?

[solid forge]

It's kinda inexpensive if you do Ignite based instead of crit

[quiet hearth]

See, forge strike gets a super bleed node, and with detonating ground, you can apply a ton of ignites as well. use MS with the bleed nodes and proc forge strike. The ruby fang set has a TON of poison pen and allows poison on hit and extra chance on hit with fire skills. So you use HH melee conversion

[summer shell]

I feel like using a 2 set as your bis wouldn't even be the end of the world idk why they are so against it

[quiet hearth]

No sets would be too powered. I think we should be able to nemmy empower set pieces

[rancid lantern]

i'd say to distinguish uniques from sets, sets should get extra set mods.

[summer shell]

Just crank up the legy potential on them

[rancid lantern]

So Set (2), Set (3) etc would have additional properties. would like that

[quiet hearth]

if they could have LP or WW, they would scale better

[rancid lantern]

Would be distinct from LP/WW too.

[quiet hearth]

That is literally how set bonuses work now though

the main issue is that the ones that have good set bonuses usually have garbage stats

[rancid lantern]

Yes, but they have static values. I mean instead of LP, youd boost the set values or add additional set bonuses

[summer shell]

That could be cool

[quiet hearth]

oh you mean increasing the magnitude of the mods

[rancid lantern]

Yeah, sets are very specific.

Imagine bear set giving like 3x the set bonus

[quiet hearth]

I already have a plan to abuse the bear set, dont bring it any attention right now

[rancid lantern]

Kek

[rancid lantern]

Also can I have a planner for that

[quiet hearth]

Preliminary results put me at about 1k hp regen and about half as much ward per second

[rancid lantern]

im not sure whats the unintended part?

[quiet hearth]

I didnt say it was unintended, I just dont want people to get my idea nerfed before I get the gear together

[vernal scroll]

I'm so much hesitating between warlock and hammerdin

[quiet hearth]

hammerdin, but we're biased here

[rancid lantern]

unlikely.

depends on the type of warlock.

[vernal scroll]

Draven, that's what i'm looking for, biased ppl explaining me why :p
Torment !

[rancid lantern]

torment got nerfed to the point id say the two are comparable

so go with your gut

maybe even lean some hammerdin cause tankier now

[vernal scroll]

Are they both still good build to go for going high corrupt ?
What are atm the """best""" build to discover high endgame ?

[rancid lantern]

either work fine for that purpose

[quiet hearth]

right now the end game is dont get hit because harbingers are dumb

[rancid lantern]

anything sound defensively is good for endgame.

[sly valley]

hit harder than the harbringers

[rancid lantern]

in particular if it can handle degen very well

[quiet hearth]

But offensively both are good and FG hammerdins have access to the new dex nodes for dmg, now if only the anti dot node was STR based instead of attunement

[rancid lantern]

yeah so im leaning hammerdin for that reason

[vernal scroll]

ty

[rancid lantern]

for ward id lean more towards mana sorc atm.

[vernal scroll]

Is the builds speed to map alike or torment is way faster ?

[rancid lantern]

a little slower but tankier i think

[vernal scroll]

thanks bud

[rancid lantern]

@quiet hearth So you use ruby, FG, Forge strike for thicc bleed and ignite and poison from fire res stacking? Maelins seems to be in order?

[quiet hearth]

maelins is a dps loss because the super pen you get for the bleeds in FS get converted to ignites but dont get the special stats, it's hard to pass on 200% pen lol

the ignite is the weakest portion right now, dont have much ignite on hit yet

[hushed harness]

yo, anyone have a good COF loot filter for all the sentinel builds (or atleast paladin?)

[quiet hearth]

my gear is garbage right now, so I cant afford to drop all the defense nodes I have in passives

soon enough though I will also be scaling abyssal decay, time rot, and doom too xD

[rancid lantern]

so phys pen from FS, poison pen from ruby fang, Ignite pen from ... ?

[quiet hearth]

passive tree and atrophy gloves, the ruby fang set also gives 15% increased fire and poison dmg on block for 10s, so pretty much all the time while doing monos

[vernal scroll]

For you Hammerdin is better as FG than paladin ?

[quiet hearth]

FG can crit cap easily, paladin is likely gonna abuse smite

[rancid lantern]

triple ailments does sound pretty funky ngl

[quiet hearth]

its so weird, but Im lvl 81 in lvl 90 monos and my dmg is fine, gotta get some more forehead to smash in though because I survive because the new time and faith node is BUSTED

[vernal scroll]

I don't see much hammerdin FG in the ladder

[rancid lantern]

ye cause FG prefer bleed shield bash. paladins go for hammers atm

[quiet hearth]

the ladder is not the end all be all of builds is the thing.

[rancid lantern]

that as well

[glad bough]

Has anyone tried out the new unique sceptre Abberoth’s Command? Thoughts?

[quiet hearth]

well, time to make that hammerdin

[rancid lantern]

I am , right now actually @glad bough

[vernal scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GqBeMUbf-Q

[glad bough]

Oooooo I need to know

[rancid lantern]

feels very nice, but hard to say how it will hold up in corruption.

Qol is very good though, even for just clearing.

[quiet hearth]

that is where I am at, I wanna push this into corruption before I move on, but I did start a VC/judgement thing and it was working, I think will be good with the mace

[glad bough]

May I ask how you’re using it? What’s your set up? I was thinking of tweaking the Ravaging Aura build from PerryThePig. What off hand options you going?

[rancid lantern]

Warpath, cleave off cooldown, zoom.

for bigger enemies, Warpath 2 sec into Echoes, Erasing, Cleave, Reversal, warpath

[rancid lantern]

blade of forgotten knight for offhand. I do not know what perry is doing.

[glad bough]

I don’t think he’s running it. I just loved his build from years ago. So I’m running it for the purple cycle. That’s the Blade I’m thinking of running too.

[rancid lantern]

Makes little sense to me to run anything else. flat is king for this build, so if I couldnt run it id run a t7 spell damage nagasa scymitar sword anyway

[quiet hearth]

ok, attempting to meme harder now, more healing by including MS proccing smites

[glad bough]

Yeah I hear ya. Thanks for your insight on the build. That exact set up is what I’m thinking. Swapping in Warpath instead of Vengeance

[vernal scroll]

"X% physical pen with bleed" means that X% physical pen chance is transformed into bleed pen chance ?

[quiet hearth]

no, it is pen ONLY for bleed but regular pen also applies still to bleed because it is phys

[vernal scroll]

ok ok

Is there a max stack of bleed pen that can be applied ?

[quiet hearth]

Nope, but it's a hard stat to come by

[vernal scroll]

So the affixe above means that bleed dmg will ignore X% of the physical mitigation of the enemy ? So you wanna aim for 100% to make "true dmg" as bleed ?

[quiet hearth]

kinda, but if you go over 100% pen, the dmg is still increased. pen works for dmg the same way resists work. Its a more multi which is why it is so powerful

[sly valley]

penetration is like reducing ennemies res it can go -X% res

if you have more than 75% penetration

[quiet hearth]

this mono was nothing but meruna giants

[rancid lantern]

I considered multistrike initially

[turbid dome]

Just wait till you get that with gold elementals

[quiet hearth]

that I can handle, they have less HP, especially when the mono mods are uh, currently about 50% increased hp

[charred cloud]

Is there a way to make multistrike hit the same target? The extra swords only trigger on other enemies, but not the one you are attacking.

[rancid lantern]

What is the state of Smite Fissure sub-skill void conversion, tooltip does not change but visually it does? Does it currently take effect and scale with smite?

[quiet hearth]

sadly no

[rancid lantern]

I realized that Warpath +50 spell damage does not work dynamically.

[quiet hearth]

I dont think fissure converts

[rancid lantern]

not on tooltip but its visuals do appear to change and i wondered if it does

[quiet hearth]

warpath spell damage?

dont mind me, I got like 4hrs of sleep

[rancid lantern]

Path of Heavens from Warpath does not appear to work for me at the moment

[quiet hearth]

that's a big deal, you should report that

[rancid lantern]

well, its "while spinning"

so it might be intended if damage snapshots and doesnt update dynamically

[flint pendant]

Can any sentinel here confirm that "reduced channel cost" on helm still exists on game, not sure if to open a bug report.

[rancid lantern]

dont have one, likely intended cause of the channel changes

[quiet hearth]

now this is a nice hat

[flint pendant]

yeah I checked the patch notes but nothing about removing this affix

[sly valley]

check in the filter system in game if you find this affix ?

[wise rune]

W

[quiet hearth]

Wow

[summer moss]

I finlly found a Laddle for my Devouring Orb VK, and it just feels like i somehow lost damage?

[vale ravine]

you mean a mad alchemist?

[turbid dome]

Didn’t they cap the more damage from it

[vale ravine]

at 6 ye, but it also doesnt really have flat damage on it

[summer moss]

yeah that one ofc

they capped it to 8 recently ig

[wise rune]

okay this game really wants me to play erasing strike void knight it just gave me this helmet and a t7 mana chest at the same time

literally the nemesis immediately after i rolled t6 void damage on my world splitter

[hollow spindle]

That helmet's implicits are bad for VK, you don't care about physical dmg in VK erasing strike builds, the mana is good ofc and the volatile reversal is decent, but the health regen is uselss (especially if using Titan's Heart) so I don't know if that helmet is "the one" to use with VK

[lament star]

me too i got a t6 mana chest with +2 erasing stirke drop.

[lament star]

could always slam it

[hollow spindle]

Press x to doubt.

[wise rune]

the build i was planning for ES actually does make use of health regen for a ward setup via the vessel of strife relic combined with mana spent gained as ward items

[jade cedar]

has anyone tried a warpath+smite build? should i focus on spell damage? and what stat, vit?

[hollow spindle]

You do you.

[lament star]

i saw someone plan one. it uses palarus + smite idols

[wise rune]

you dont really need the smite idols it has more than enough damage without them

[gusty abyss]

You can look at my char for inspiration: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/skyqula/character/smitepath

[lament star]

ah so it's your build

[lament star]

did it work out as planned ? how tanky is it ?

[gusty abyss]

Paint build included:

[jade cedar]

sweet, thanks. i was thinking of VK but ill look into the paladin one as well

[gusty abyss]

500 corruption without issue, tanking harbinger slams still

[quiet hearth]

The slams arent the issue with them, its the freaking dots

[jade cedar]

i was thinking of dual wielding these 2 if i go the VK route

[gusty abyss]

8% leech on 5-6x30k crits a second is doing fine

[quiet hearth]

One, I have doubts, two, if that is the level you need then they are even worse off than I thought xD

[lament star]

ever die on it ? when did it start ?

[wise rune]

definitely not gonna be as strong as the more straightforward paladin route but I imagine it'll still be solid

the damage on the paladin version is really just insane

[mighty cedar]

is 40% the max echo chance a VK can get?

[verbal schooner]

i just got my pally to monos with the plan to do something like this. do you have a filter i could yoink?

[lament star]

Rive gets double echo on skill tree

[mighty cedar]

but other than that 40% is as good as it gets?

[wise rune]

outside of skill specific stuff yes

[mighty cedar]

damn so IO can only get shield throw at 40% that is good enough I guess

[lament star]

anecdote erasing strike has guaranteed echo

what are you cooking ?

[mighty cedar]

trying to make shield throw interesting, ive goten the void shield throw idol many times so something has to work with it IMO

[twilit fjord]

i just glanced at it but i'm doing something similiar but stacking more attack speed with flameburst. What kind of trade off did you make with not going flameburst aside from the benefit of not having to worry about stacking massive amounts of attack speed?

[hollow spindle]

Guess the game is saying I need to make a cold/lightning mage

[hushed harness]

last line on the ring is my fav lol

[gusty abyss]

I get haste on hit in the aura and garunteed ignite on throwing hit, so any smite proc is garunteed to get the bonus damage vs ignited. Easier to get armor shred and I can focus on crit multi /spelldamage. Speaking of crit multi, I cant seem to land a slam with it (:

[quiet hearth]

I almost think I have the gear to switch to perma FS

[twilit fjord]

interesting, i was kinda doing a mash of dreadful's 1.0 build and some random build i saw online that both used flameburst might have to give this a shot. Still struggling to find more of the axe throw idols so i can really get the build off the ground

your's looks much tankier with healing hands vs reversal

[rancid lantern]

@quiet hearth may i recommend salt the wound? Could work great for your build

[gusty abyss]

CoF makes smite idols rather easy. Even mediocre ones get the build started just fine. Thinking of moving back to flameburst though, get movespeed from + warpath chest and that crab ring instead.

[wise rune]

the whole throwing setup seems so unnecessary with it

[mighty cedar]

that smite idol change is HUIGE

[hushed harness]

what change?

[quiet hearth]

salt the wound only has potential if you have a lot of crit multi, which costs a lot of points

[gusty abyss]

from 9% max to 25% proc chance, per idol

[mighty cedar]

its possible for 100% smite chance on throw now

direct smite hammerden buff

[rancid lantern]

Lethal Strikes is your friend?

That being said im kinda intrigued, cause bleed kinda wants valdyrs and blood of the exile.

which dont benefit poison or ignite at all. ignite kinda wants the fire dragon booties.

Theres some conflict of interest here.

@quiet hearth Oh yeah, Champion of the Forge, too. the combined 60% multi with pen per 5 str, and 1% multi per 2 str should make salt the wound better

[wise rune]

smite warpath does more damage than you need it to without throwing already, might as well free up your relic and idols and allow yourself to run rule of the simoon gloves instead imo

[rancid lantern]

Then you just str stack from there so as to scale all the ailments from FS.

[quiet hearth]

costs too many points

[rancid lantern]

show me your current planner

[quiet hearth]

My build isnt done yet

[rancid lantern]

i dont think its too many

[quiet hearth]

it's 8 pts, and that node is only 20% pen, which I am currently getting from atrophy

[simple raven]

nemesis is crazy. i popped 0lp judgement gloves into it and empowered and got this at the end o_O

[quiet hearth]

conviction is far better overall

[rancid lantern]

50% multi/100 str is already 25% pen for poison and bleed

[wise rune]

thats insane

[rancid lantern]

shame about the attuneent roll, but dam

[summer moss]

ofc my first 3lp is the OTHER drop from mages fml

[simple raven]

yea attunement is crap roll, but i rolled it in the nemesis coz why not

[quiet hearth]

while wielding a 2h, champ doesnt apply here

[vale ravine]

"you will never see a 4 LP hands of judgement roll in your life"
-Draven, circa yesterday 😄

[simple raven]

😂 Nemesis egg ftw xD

[quiet hearth]

You haven't, you're dead and sending this from the other side

[rancid lantern]

Hmm Apostate's Sanctuary is pretty cool for VK

[vale ravine]

i def feel like im dead, needed to wake up for a 7am status meeting...

[quiet hearth]

yeah same, in training but I only slept like 4hrs

[hollow spindle]

Kinda? the apostate negative of disabling stuff/harming you on spell cast makes things like anamoly/volatile reversal un-usable doesn't it?

[vale ravine]

ye tb sanctuary sounds like death on a traditional bonk VK with anomaly and VR

i would use it otherwise

[jade cedar]

i need that for echo warpath tbh

[summer moss]

come trade me for 3lp mad alchemist andwe got a deal lol

[vale ravine]

where is the mad elchmist coming from for sentinel builds?

[rancid lantern]

It disables leech for 4 seconds but you can circument the health loss with reversal, no?

[vale ravine]

most people spec reversal to be minimal CD for giga uptime on the damage multiplier tho

[hollow spindle]

depends on the nodes you take with reversal

[outer hedge]

um..im a bit stuck on this build - i wanna play forged weapons..but builds online have sigils of hope and i dont like how it works also high mana cost

[wise rune]

kinda sad that this is a sword and not an axe or a mace because this would have went so hard to slam onto a VK weapon

[quiet hearth]

go void rive, profit

[vale ravine]

merophage says hello 😄

[quiet hearth]

I always forget about that thing

[vale ravine]

i used it for my rive last cycle, it's pretty good (on MG)

just feed it T7 mele crit swords until profit

[summer moss]

Autobomber

[quiet hearth]

I didnt realize scrap metal in rive was a global eat forged weapons

[wise rune]

i might try to slam it on the new lethal mirage sword since i'm planning on playing that soon and its partially void damage

[quiet hearth]

rive is too good man, it's nodes are bonkers

[vale ravine]

i mean i figured but why is madle assumed to be good? where are you getting your flat damage from?
madle's main use-case is insanely fast application of some effects which have their flat damage coming from some alternative source

[summer moss]

its cuz autobomber can place something like 11-12 effects super fast, if not more
so it was just a huge dmg boost

since the nerf tho its most likely worse, but if i can get a 2-3lp one then thats a huge step up

[mighty cedar]

fml./.. when you press challenge instead of empower T.T

[vale ravine]

that's fine but those affects need to get their falt damage from somewhere beause ladle is not going to give them any basically

if you need your effects to get flat from weapon slot ladle is bad for the build imo

you cant put flat damage on wand so LP doesnt help

[mighty cedar]

Shield throw shoul dbounce off of you

[summer moss]

it was BiS gear on guides so im not sure what to tell you

[vale ravine]

link

[summer moss]

the scepter i have atm tho is quite good and im pretty sure ill just have to run with it

[summer moss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/devouring-orb-void-knight-guide#gear--header

[quiet hearth]

everytime I look at tweaking this build, Im annoyed how almost all the pen nodes are also locked into crit nodes

[stuck horizon]

Is there a way to "stand still" while warpathing? Julra beams are a bit annoying

[rancid lantern]

not the kind of lucky i need lol

[vale ravine]

ok, so your flat damage comes from vitality, and only vitality. how much you got?

also

[summer moss]

yeah thats the insane nerf they made to it... its now 6% max 8

[vale ravine]

tl;dr: just use a scepter

[summer moss]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olY4pDOA

if you want thats my char, i have exactly 90 atm lol

and yeah ima use the scepter

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (85)

General:

▸ Health: 2,754, Regen: 56/s
▸ Mana: 102, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 63%, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 0 Dex / 11 Int / 0 Att / 90 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 90% / 106% / 117% / 114% / 167% / 90%
▸ EHP: 4,825 / 4,825 / 4,825 / 5,936 / 4,825 / 4,825 / 4,825

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 607
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (95)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,403)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 41%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Anomaly (20)
• Devouring Orb (20)
• Shield Rush (20)
• Rebuke (20)
• Smite (21)

Used unique items:

None

[quiet hearth]

I just have rive no on my hot bar and it's a freaking defensive skill now wtf

[turbid dome]

I love eating forged weapons

[quiet hearth]

is it a more or just increased armor?

[turbid dome]

Each scrap metal stack is more armor and more damage with rive

[quiet hearth]

lol, 5 stacks is 13% dmg effectiveness on my armor right now

[turbid dome]

More armor is a hell of a drug, makes me wish decayed skull had higher base armor

[quiet hearth]

I wish they would not use more so much in the descriptions. Like put the word more next to the number so it's obvious

[turbid dome]

Beefy FG

[quiet hearth]

It's only 52% max, calm down

[turbid dome]

Wait your armor is at 52% dr

HUH

[quiet hearth]

I told you my gear was garbage

[turbid dome]

🫂 it’s gonna be ok

[quiet hearth]

HH stronk

[turbid dome]

Indeed

[quiet hearth]

oh it gets way worse engi

only 48% block with like....800 block effect too xD

[late hedge]

Is prayer healing effectiveness? Because tooltip says it is but the effect says healing granted

[mighty cedar]

God Shield throws dmg scales so muich better than Hammer throw

[odd citrus]

is armor matter for sentinel?

[quiet hearth]

i think it is increased in the base?

[late hedge]

It doesnt change anythign in the character sheet after a heal
on healing effect

[quiet hearth]

no clue then

[waxen nymph]

That should be Healing Effectiveness

And note that you CAN NOT heal yourself when full hp

[late hedge]

ah I see

Ye I see just tested it now without full hp and it increases it
Thanks

[lament star]

am i the only one struggling with harbinger of ash ?

[waxen nymph]

Which one is that ?

[lament star]

my forge guard was getting pummeled
spirit fire harbi

[quiet hearth]

no, harbingers are brutal, 100% they get toned down

[waxen nymph]

Oo havent tried that one yet

[lament star]

the aoe is huge and i cant melee in it

[waxen nymph]

Only done Lagon's one

Is it a big boi ? or the skiny lady ?

[lament star]

i think i need to spec summon forged weapon nodes cuz weapons die if i cant attack
big boi with necro aoe on ground

[waxen nymph]

Hope no

[quiet hearth]

they will be, they are over tuned as hell

[wise rune]

i've killed every harbinger i've fought so far in like 10 seconds or less

[quiet hearth]

likely lower their base and make them scale better with corruption

[lament star]

also my harbinger had the necro aoe but also the tank skills = aoe slam, triple strikes, clone slam

[turbid dome]

The Lagon one messed me up

[lament star]

first time my forge guard which i play with SnS dropped to 0 potion. good thing they drop in fights

[odd citrus]

i'm stuck at 250 corruption harbinger from the spirits of fire monolith using rive sentinel 😦 any advise guys?

[lament star]

the slams were insane

[quiet hearth]

play some meta build that ignores the game is how you beat them reliably

[lament star]

i mean i just fought it. the aoe is antimelee. he's cheating

oh i unlocked empowered by doing the harbi

that's a nice skip. wow

[quiet hearth]

I think foe cleaver needs to have something on it for 1h too, because scrap metal shouldnt be locked behind it

[turbid dome]

1h gets a shield (or another weapon)

[crimson rover]

aside from smite, fissure, manifest armor, and lavaburst, what else scales with attunement for sentinel?

[quiet hearth]

not a good enough reason to lock a node behind it, if anything swap the two nodes makes more sense

[wise rune]

judgement

[quiet hearth]

has anyone tried fissure with the time and faith nodes letting you actually sustain mana with it now?

[wise rune]

can also make abyssal echoes scale on attunement

[waxen nymph]

I tried in 1.0

Proccing with Javelin

Dmg wasnt incredible

[tribal crane]

They are meant as a gearcheck. They are not even remotely overtuned.

[waxen nymph]

I want to try again but Warpath during the Smite proccs to get Fire Pen with sceptre and Flat Spell

[quiet hearth]

lmao they 100% are because they wipe people with content appropriate gear in literal seconds xD

[tribal crane]

Then its a build issue/skill issue, you are not meant to tank their abilities

[lament star]

@waxen nymph is this a decent set for low empowered ?

[waxen nymph]

I dont like it because its a 2h Hammer

[quiet hearth]

No it isn't, if the content is literally dont get hit 4head, then it's bad, which is 100% what it is right now

[crimson rover]

what was the problem? im suspecting it's the cooldown

[alpine canopy]

No void cleave makes things unhappy

[vale ravine]

i mean, i can get hit til 250-300 and it's aight

[crimson rover]

mind elaborting on that?

[waxen nymph]

Low Dmg effect, small AoE , Dot needing to stack

[lament star]

rip

[quiet hearth]

no matter what I do I cannot get out of using MS, it's such a dps loss

[waxen nymph]

If the mob move out you loose all your dps and to get a decent amount of dmg you need like 5 pools on the ground

[tribal crane]

You have evade and most builds use a traversal skill, some abilities you can tank but most are meant to be avoided. Either you have not build enough defenses or are not avoiding things that should be avoided if you think they are overtuned.

[vale ravine]

tbf they are way harder than the timeline bosses, but i think it's fine

[tribal crane]

Yeah and I think they are meant to be harder

[lament star]

@waxen nymph what about merophage is it good for FG weapons ?

[vale ravine]

the only issue i have is that the one gatekeeping entry to empowered monos def should not be baseline 100corr harbinger level hard, that one should be toned down a little

[quiet hearth]

Evade is not nearly fast enough nor does go far enough to be warrented. You literally have video evidence of some of the top players getting instantly erased at moderate corruption with appropriate gear for the content.

[vale ravine]

im gonna say this tho, top players i.e. who are pushing hard to generate content before anybody else usually dont invest into defenses at all, or not early on

but if i can take a hit from a harbi at 250 then ward classes can too

[quiet hearth]

only you can literally look up the build and see what they have because they post it. And it isn't early on for those people, we're well into the cycle now. Harbingers are going to get tuned down 100%, and ward classes are still kinda ahead of hp right now too.

[wise rune]

having so much damage that defenses dont matter against bosses is definitely a strategy that works in this game

[vale ravine]

i mean, let's talk data then. link the build, and what corruption we talking about

i dont disagree that they will be prob tuned down, just saying you can build for it

[quiet hearth]

again, just dont get hit is not an appropriate response because it isnt something the vast majority of players can do. Im not saying you cant, Im saying it takes a ton of prep just to get out of the tissue paper feeling range

[vale ravine]

it does for sure. but how is that bad for the game

you literally have something to gear for

[quiet hearth]

Having content most players cant do isnt healthy, like sure, you need some chase but when the chase is just a giant wall in front of you that isnt fun.

[vale ravine]

you saw Mike's stat right? only 1% made it into empowered monos?

[quiet hearth]

That's because of the mono grind

[vale ravine]

or something ridicolous like that

[quiet hearth]

I feel monos should become empowered as you add corruption, no more doing the same thing just harder.

[waxen nymph]

Was it not smth like 10% dont even kill the 1st mono boss ?

[alpine canopy]

iirc, if a player plays long enough to get their mastery, there's a good chance they'll at least complete the first mono

[vale ravine]

i legit dont see any issue with making aspirational content for your 1%, whoever made it into empowered monos -> this is for them
and you have the tools to succeed, it does take time. but like literally everybody was begging EHG to give exactly this

[quiet hearth]

I didnt say that it shouldnt be done, not once, I said doing it in the way it's being done isn't good.

[vale ravine]

i mean... T4 Julra oneshots me, and harbies at 250 rarely do so is T4 Julra also overtuned?

[turbid dome]

Was it the one shot mechanic (I just got back idk what this conversation is about)

[vale ravine]

i get one shot by the water wave thingy

[quiet hearth]

comparing apples to oranges, that is a strawman argument

[turbid dome]

I hate those waves

[vale ravine]

why is it a strawman? how is one overtuned and the other isnt?

[quiet hearth]

t4 jura has a different kind of scaling compared to harbingers, has a completely different attack pattern ect. In the end, my opinion is that Harbingers as a base are overtuned and will get tweaked next cycle. No point in going back and forth when it's obvious we're not gonna agree.

[opaque garden]

Can Forged weapons trigger skills from weapons they inherit stats from like the palarus sword?

[turbid dome]

I want the Lagon harbinger to teleport you down to the add phase part of the arena

[vale ravine]

i mean fair, and i dont disagree they will bring them down somewhat probably. i only disagree that you cant gear for them, i think you can

[bleak breach]

are y'all saying harbingers at the first introduction to them are overtuned or harbingers at high corruption?

[turbid dome]

Idk I got here on the tail end of the discussion

[waxen nymph]

No

[burnt bronze]

hmm, what to put here for the world splitter slam

[vale ravine]

he was saying moderate corruptuon altho havent clarified what does that mean exactly. what is moderate for streamers is prob "high" from EHG's perspective

[quiet hearth]

Im saying both, right now it's not a climb, it's a wall you can either climb or you cant

[waxen nymph]

Crit Multi ?

[turbid dome]

All stats in place of the chill chance?

[wise rune]

yeah probably crit multi or mana

[bleak breach]

what does the number beside stuff mean in the forge menu

[vale ravine]

tbf im fresh of necropolis league with its T17s, now that's a wall lol. maybe i just got desensitized

[burnt bronze]

a t5 mana roll wouldnt beat actual crit multi even with the conversion i guess

[wise rune]

number of shards you have

[burnt bronze]

but maybe more comfy

[bleak breach]

ohhh, ty

[quiet hearth]

t17s are like the most aspirational stuff poe has, so yea lol.

[vale ravine]

well it was supposed to be a "bridge to ubers" lol

[bleak breach]

I mean, i'll just go out and say that at 150 corruption they're still quite easy for me and i am by no means a decent player, i'd say below average at best

ik 150 corruption is like nothing tho

[crimson rover]

is there a way to automate abyssal echoes or proc it in any way?

[bleak breach]

warpath can auto cast every 5 sesconds

[waxen nymph]

Warpath, VC

[turbid dome]

Warpath, trident of the last abyss( I think) ,VC

[untold sky]

When your damage is meh, this new harbringer system is tedious xD

[mighty cedar]

Is there a way to use potions when you walk over them when you are full on health and potions:?

[vale ravine]

when your damage is meh everything with a boss health bar is now tedious XD

[crimson rover]

VC?

[waxen nymph]

Not be Full hp

[quiet hearth]

well ok then

[waxen nymph]

Void Cleave

[turbid dome]

Void cleave

[untold sky]

Which makes harbringers even more meh because its 2 bosses of meh speed

[mighty cedar]

lol

[quiet hearth]

yo nemmy wtg

[vale ravine]

technically you can opt out but ye. high DPS builds are at a premium
tbf i dont know why you would ever make a ZDPS build in an ARPG but that's just me

[crimson rover]

ah i see, so nothing really in the way of shield throw, must be melee

[wise rune]

just depends if you have enough mana on other gear or not, t5 mana on a 2h is roughly equivalent to t7 mana on a helmet, obviously it doesnt give more crit multi than an actual crit multi affix but it could be what allows you to run an extra echo on ES

[untold sky]

zdps? Also how can I opt out 😮

[vale ravine]

there is a checkmark when you trigger the boss battle, you can uncheck it

[tribal basin]

Okay i decided that Sigils of Hope are kinda garbo for a FG Spinny Smith

[untold sky]

omg

[quiet hearth]

man i forgot how much xp starts to fall off after 80

[mighty cedar]

spinny smith? warpath?

[vale ravine]

zdps = zero dps, a term used for builds made by popular streamer Quinn 😄

[turbid dome]

We love Quinn

[tribal basin]

yes , builds need definitely fancier names instead of just putting the whole description in

[untold sky]

Its not thAT i planed to have none 😦

[quiet hearth]

I dont, screams way too much

[turbid dome]

VCR VK build time

[untold sky]

I just havent figured out how to ramp it or found gear I feel I need to ramp that damage lolol

[quiet hearth]

pretty much just add affixes for your main stat and whatever dmg type you're doing and you'll be good

[vale ravine]

ye i mean the first harbi i was hacking for 2 minutes with a Dreamthorn, then i realized i could have jsut bought a maw because i was already high enough level
you live, you learn

[quiet hearth]

I can only imagine how long that is gonna take on this build

[vale ravine]

the triple dot? or you cooking something else now?

[quiet hearth]

yeah the triple dot, it does good damage but Im not winning any speed awards either because my gear is garbage, I get slapped a lot

I survive on carpal tunnel and spite honestly

[vale ravine]

your argument makes much more sense now 😄

[quiet hearth]

No, I have an acolyte that did the first run, I just have had garbage luck with gear this time around

which is why this build surprised me so much, boom infernal shade just makes me chuckle

[vale ravine]

ye i still wanna do a giga abo with these new phantom rings

[quiet hearth]

sometimes you get an item that is just cohesive

[waxen nymph]

I need thoses bad boy for my Totem

[rapid storm]

can i have some help with crit chance for forged weapons?
i tested for a bit on target dummy and got 400 crits in a row so im pretty sure they have ~100% crit chance
but that doesnt fit my math:
Flat
Base: 5%
Weapon: +17%
Ring1: +2%
Ring2: +3%
Total: 27%

Increase
Necklace: 24%
Gloves: 95% * (0.66+0.66) = 125.4%
Total: 149.4%

Result: 27% * 249.4 = 67.338%

any idea what im missing here?

[quiet hearth]

When the lagon shield dropped I almost rolled a shaman then and there for storm totem

[vale ravine]

that said I did sell a 2-4-2 LP1 cause i need the money XD

2mil is 2 mil

[crimson rover]

hey what is time and faith?

[turbid dome]

I love that node

[quiet hearth]

ugg, I have so many good crit items and Im high enough I think I have the skill points to max out crit