🔱┃sentinel

[cosmic ivy]

you need mana at the same time

[tribal crane]

mind linking your profile/planner

hp is relatively easy to build on vk, i consider my hp low and i'm above 4k

[cosmic ivy]

are u playing ES

i cant sacrifice my mana for hp

its like a must to have around 800+ mana

[jade cedar]

is this affix on helmets any good? or am i better off on other affixes

[wise rune]

mana and hp arent competing with each other

[solid forge]

Not really. That's only if you absolutely want to play that version.

[wise rune]

mana is a prefix hp is a suffix so you can have both

[cosmic ivy]

its the slots that can get mana

[cosmic ivy]

no cooldown on ES is a must

[solid forge]

There are different ways to play ES spam

You can alternate vengeance in between echoes or accept being oom for 2-3s if you prefer full spam and replenish while the echoes do their job.

Those two ways, you can get away with 500 mana or even 300

Anyway, it's up to you to decide what you want to sacrifice.

[solid forge]

It's good if a lot of your damage comes from echoes

[tribal crane]

mana is prefix and hp is suffix

you dont have to sacrifice mana

[nimble mantle]

Why is this item recommended on Maxroll for a Void Knight Rive build? I'm a noob, I don't get it.

[tribal crane]

more dmg per shock, so if enemy has 10 stacks of shock you deal 10% more dmg to them.

[jade cedar]

"more more damage shock" hehe

[light magnet]

is healing hands worth specing into? or is the ward gain neglible?

[lament star]

worth for the heal and 2nd damage source

[solid forge]

One of the best parts of this game is often uniques you wouldn't normally even consider actually becomes BiS for just 2 lines of text out of 5 and on a build it was not even made for at first

[sweet hazel]

like Li'Raka and Razorfall being bis on nova hammerdin

despite most of the stuff on those being Rogue only, lmao.

[oak kite]

has any1 tried crit hammer throw ? how was it

[sly valley]

Where can i see physical penetration stats on LE or LETools ?

[queen glade]

Any1 in here whose playing a spin to win Void Cleaver with the new Abberoth's Command sceptre? I got some questions :<

[cosmic ivy]

disaster

[abstract osprey]

is it a bug that rive doesnt show it does/scales off void dmg with the void dmg nodes selected ? or am i missing something

[rancid lantern]

Hey guys

anyone wanna help me doctor this Ravaging Aura build, i hit a bit of a snag

nvm solved it

Healing hands still doesnt trigger on channeled abilities, right?

[turbid dome]

No it’s intentional for rive to not have a void conversion node. You do get double echo chance tho.

If you have +50 melee void damage, that damage will still scale with void

Source: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/rive-void-tag-conversion-bug-or-unintended/52501

[abstract osprey]

ahh i see, very confusing thank you.

[cosmic ivy]

2 LP but the base item is bad 😭

[wise rune]

rip

you really need that +0.5% base crit per mana cost

[obtuse perch]

lol I went inside an echo and spawned right on top of the echo boss.

I didn't even know that could happen.

[turbid dome]

Echo boss speed run any% world record

[simple raven]

question. i got a chest with a T7 i want to slam, but can i slam an armor piece i cant use (primalist) with an unique and it will be usable by me forge guard?

[wise rune]

whats the best second suffix for this axe if i were looking to potentially slam a world splitter with it

[sand wolf]

the builds people make... 10iq
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozaDEnnB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 73

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (41) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,344, Regen: 41/s
▸ Mana: 129, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 4 Dex / 4 Int / 11 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 57% / 52% / 103% / 103% / 133% / 168%
▸ EHP: 1,801 / 1,779 / 1,714 / 2,402 / 2,113 / 2,113 / 2,113

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 269
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (51)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,221)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (22)
• Void Cleave (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• Darkstride
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[bleak breach]

is "increased echo dmg" additive to your damage at the time of the echo or does your damage at the time of the echo become the new base? meaning it'd be multiplicative. I realize the wording should mean additive but may as well clarify

[bleak breach]

increased area for melee area skills or blind would be my guess, or just an ailment that scales your damage per stacks on the target or something

[heavy yarrow]

How does VK usually deal with mana regen?

[bleak breach]

time and faith node on passives is what i've heard as a common one

[wise rune]

it depends a lot on the build, for erasing strike they typically rely on the void well passive

[bleak breach]

time and faith node seems crazy strong with high attack speed, 10% health per hit seems too high

[heavy yarrow]

makes sense, i sadly dont use rive, vengeance smite or multistrike rn so time and faith wouldnt give me that much of a help
void Well is what currently is helping me with mana but i gotta raise my crit a bit more to get consistent void essence with ES

[turbid dome]

Polymath for the all stats is always solid

[heavy yarrow]

not level 85 yet on this character to use World splitter for crit chance but i assume that would help massively with keepng up void essence stacks

[wise rune]

yeah once you get 100% crit its super easy

[heavy yarrow]

also base mana cost for Erasing strike is 30 correct?

[turbid dome]

Correct

[heavy yarrow]

ah nevermind i was wondering why it dipped to 27 but its the erased sentinel

[turbid dome]

Sounds like someone still needs to get avatar of regret

[heavy yarrow]

yeah kinda just balling with my own build here so i have no idea what im doing tbh

[bleak breach]

thoughts on the vk tree for echo warpath?

[turbid dome]

I’d throw a point into void ageis and the other capstone you don’t have a point in

[bleak breach]

only a single point into aegis?

[turbid dome]

Yeah it’s a % chance to proc when you get hit so it’s up fairly frequently, while clearing echos

[bleak loom]

what is your planner looking like?

[heavy yarrow]

can i maybe send my current setup in here and get some advice on what i could change up?

[turbid dome]

Go for it

[bleak loom]

this is what i plan on running if you wanna compare builds

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVkmgK4Q

[bleak breach]

i see, wasnt too hard to accommodate, just lost 14% void dmg which is prolly easily worth it

[heavy yarrow]

should be this one
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYkwWrVQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 71

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (64)

General:

▸ Health: 1,820, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 180, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 41 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 66% / 85% / 112% / 34% / 63% / 45% / 45%
▸ EHP: 2,631 / 2,818 / 2,885 / 2,279 / 2,563 / 2,202 / 2,193

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 28%, Threshold: 364
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,121)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 27%

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (21)
• Erasing Strike (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• Apathy's Maw
• Avarice
• Darkstride
• Font of the Erased
• Bleeding Heart
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[turbid dome]

The yeet enemies away when low is super nice cause your leech will normally full heal you while their gone

[heavy yarrow]

i know its all over the place sorry

[turbid dome]

First thing: get new gloves, avarice does not help you at this point

It’s leech doesn’t help you either because it’s ele dmg leech

[bleak breach]

yeah i'm now realizing how powerful that could be for a lot of my deaths which are just like a bunch of small guys hitting me at the same time

[turbid dome]

Second thing: cap your resistances, your taking a lot of extra damage due to them being this low

[bleak breach]

do you think it'd be worth it to drop all the points out of sorrow and steel to just put into the void aegis to increase uptime by a lot? it'd cost me 21% increased void dmg

[turbid dome]

I personally never put points into sorrow and steel so yeah. I feel like I get enough increased void damage without spending a point for 7%

[bleak breach]

haha good point

[turbid dome]

@heavy yarrow third point: upgrade your body armor, a level 71 character should not have worn plate on

[obtuse perch]

Can anybody tell me if void rifts cast by idols will also make me deal increased damage to enemies like with volatile reversal?

[turbid dome]

I think that’s exclusive to reversal’s void rifts as the passives don’t say they apply to void rifts from any source (like forge strike’s forged weapons nodes)

[bleak breach]

does void aegis' 10% reduced dmg taken apply to the entire hit dmg or only the first 100 dmg of it? like if a hit did 1k dmg would that be reduced by 10% overall or only the first 100 of it

[turbid dome]

I believe if a hit does enough damage to break it it still applies the 10% dr to that hit.

Note the hit that gives you the ageis is not reduced by the ageis

[bleak breach]

that node specifically says VR's void rifts so i dont think it does

[wise rune]

your ES tree definitely needs some work, not having the void essense on crit node maxed out is a big problem

[heavy yarrow]

switched out to a different one i had which does help my res to be higher (cant upgrade it rn cause of level requirement)

[turbid dome]

That is significantly better armor

[bleak breach]

noted, cool thanks

[turbid dome]

Plus void ageis makes you glow aggressively purple

[heavy yarrow]

mainly cause my crit chance rn is still pretty meh so i thought i wouldnt get much value out of it rn

[bleak breach]

i need permanent uptime on this now

[waxen nymph]

Hey @fair hollow ,sorry for the ping
How did your Whirlwind Strike MA go?

[turbid dome]

Sadly I think that node is it’s only source

[wise rune]

you can take the guaranteed crit node in void cleave to hold you over until you get the stats to have it crit naturally

[bleak breach]

lol, yeahhh, but 25% chance on hit when i'm usually getting hit a lot seems good enough to me.
Do you know if the hit that breaks it can reproc it?

[cerulean dome]

so what's this cycle's gold dupe? jeez

[bleak breach]

duping is prolly against tos lol

[turbid dome]

That’s a good question, given how I seem to always have it up while fighting giant packs I’d say yes?

[bleak breach]

moar porpl time :D

[solid forge]

At some point he said he was giving up because his MA was buging around on some bosses. I don't know if he changed his mind

[heavy yarrow]

thanks for all the advice, does the passive tree look decent enough atleast?

[turbid dome]

I’d go along the upper echo path over dread

[heavy yarrow]

from what i heard here atleast speccing void aegis seems to be good choice next

[turbid dome]

Unless your planing the perma bonk es

[heavy yarrow]

i really like ES as my main skill tbh

but i dont think i can keep that up rn without crit chance from World splitter

tho i willt try the void cleave crit node

[turbid dome]

If you need not die, ageis is a source of damage reduction (very good) and time yeet is an automatic save yourself from death node

[heavy yarrow]

is one point in aegis enough or is it worth maxing?

cause i would just move the 2 points from dread over to those 2 skills then

[turbid dome]

I feel like it has good uptime with one node, especially while doing echos given the sheer amount of hits your taking

Now in a boss fight with a few big hits it probably won’t be up even with 5 points in it, unless the boss has a rapid fire multi hit attack

[mighty cedar]

If I convert smite to void, does that convert the subskills of smite to void as well? Like fissure?

[bleak breach]

does the void spiral +x void melee dmg on warpath add movement speed when channeling it if i have darkstrides? it's a "conditional" +x void melee dmg it seems lol

[wise rune]

i dont think it does but fissure sucks anyway

[turbid dome]

Subskills only convert if their text explicitly says they convert

[mighty cedar]

Ty all, that descend node looks super cool. Looking to maybe use that

[heavy yarrow]

aight thanks a lot for the advice, gonna see where this takes me

[quiet hearth]

which is kinda lame tbh

[mighty cedar]

I’m wanting to use this

[turbid dome]

If I could convert skills granted by gear I’d be super happy

[oak kite]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVkd5PZQ

give thoughts on this build i got planned pls

crit lightning javelin paladin

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (9) / Paladin (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,898, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 164, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 203% / 113% / 133% / 86% / 153% / 87% / 94%
▸ EHP: 6,738 / 6,738 / 6,738 / 8,877 / 6,738 / 6,738 / 6,738

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 652
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,303)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Lunge (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

None

[mighty cedar]

The void knights temporal corruption node, that converts all the ignite and such to void no? And the sub skills to void? Or am I reading that wrong

[sullen jolt]

guys, for the bleed hammerdin, gear like: guardian flyer pride shield and mercury blood of exile and salt the wound of giant and eviscerating valdyr chalice - will bee diffiult to get in SSF mode?🤔

[quiet hearth]

gear I can understand, but not skills on the tree

[bleak breach]

it only states that smite's tag is changed, nothing about the subskills getting changed other than ignite reliance

[solid forge]

According to Raxxenterax, ward is still the way to go over health modifiers. Kinda sad.

[mighty cedar]

Ignite chances all become slow, but that just means that it would do its fire dmg, and then the ignite would jsut be slow, yes?

Plus the additional base void dmg it gets from the node

[turbid dome]

Ignite chance -> slow chance means you have no ignite chance so you can’t set things on fire (for smite)

[mighty cedar]

Yes I understand, I’m just trying to understand the mechanic of the node. Things like “smite hits deal more dmg to ignited (slowed) enemies

[turbid dome]

Smites base damage becomes void, so it now scales with void damage and not whatever it was before.

All ignite chance for smite is now slow chance.

All void skills get +2 flat damage per point

Smite no longer heals

[mighty cedar]

And smites things the depend on ignite now depend on slow instead

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[quiet hearth]

Im doing something so jank, it feels aweful even if it does work lol

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Im using VC and judgement

[fair hollow]

Hey np, I stopped playing for now till they fix the bugs where on some bosses he doesnt use whirlwind and area increase affixes are still not working

Its alright, feels alot better with t7 cooldown recovery on boots but you are kinda required to 2 handed odachi for dmg instead of shield

[waxen nymph]

Tx

[bleak breach]

does pen directly result in multiplicative more dmg unless there's a modifier increasing enemy's res over cap for the given pen?

[waxen nymph]

Not sure I understand the question
Are you talking Pen for you or for mobs?

[bleak breach]

sorry poor wording, if i have pen

[waxen nymph]

Then it's a More Dmg (additive with other sources of Pen/Res Shred)

Basically mobs don't have Res (and Armor)

You can give them some with echo modifier, or some Rare Mob Affix but then it will be written under their hp bar

[fair hollow]

You can also swap one of the cooldown recovery helm or gloves to a different base it its either 1.4s whirlwind cd with all 3 or 1.6s with boots + helm or gloves

[bleak breach]

coolio, thanks
another question i had is all sources of "More" dmg additive with each other or are they compounding in a way? like if i have +20% more dmg and +20% more dmg from two different modifiers would that result in +40% more dmg or +44% more dmg

[waxen nymph]

44 %

[quiet hearth]

That would be increased not more math

[waxen nymph]

More Dmg is always multiplicative

[feral burrow]

Quick question : if i dual wield Palarus sacred light - will i benefit twice of the melee per attunement - chance to cast smite?

[turbid dome]

We love math

[quiet hearth]

yes

[tribal basin]

Chance to cast smite will still be limited by 3 times a second

[bleak breach]

i see, just wasnt sure if it was all "more" added then multiplied or multiplied multiplied - i'm confusing myself XD

[turbid dome]

also yay vk gets two more multipliers just for picking the mastery

[open yoke]

Running this right now, having a blast. Or Smite. Eh.

[feral burrow]

Thanks! ok got it

[feral burrow]

Aha cool - was waiting for confirmation before to try - double melee and spell damage per attunement/strenght looks quite cool indeed 🙂

[open yoke]

Yeah, if you add alot of "melee"-attacks you are basically proccing it non-stop.

[quiet hearth]

I wanna dW those and have the meteor belt on

[open yoke]

I was thinking about that, too, with Smite being the Crit-catalyst for proccing the Meteor's.

[feral burrow]

I am running it with a shield for now - + healing hand combo is quite nice - cannot imagine dual wield 😄

[quiet hearth]

I plan on doing just that with werebear at some point, but right now Im busy with this VC/judgement weirdness

[open yoke]

Weirdness sounds good.

[turbid dome]

Weird builds are Draven’s speciality

[feral burrow]

And by any chance do you know if for multistrike - node path of the knight (maximun damage per armor) is buffing smite? meaning if with hallowed arsenal (replace sword by smite) it could work together?

[quiet hearth]

It gives all buffs until you run out of stacks

[waxen nymph]

Nope

[quiet hearth]

Does it? Im sure they apply until it eats them

[waxen nymph]

That More Dmg per Armor does not affect Smite, even if procced by MS

[open yoke]

I don't know that yet, but if the technical limit is true and Smite only proccs 3 times per second I think alot of it's potential would go to waste.

[quiet hearth]

ooooh, fml I read that entirely wrong my bad

it's an extra 3 smites a second, something like MS you're hitting so often it's just extra dmg

[feral burrow]

Oj tam sad - Ok thank you

[waxen nymph]

Node in a skill tree don't affect other skill (talking about real skill with a tree) unless stated otherwise

[quiet hearth]

have you ever been told you need to do a build?

[waxen nymph]

Void Dot Hammer 👀

[quiet hearth]

or bleed

[feral burrow]

Ok clear - i guess it still affect the first strike

[quiet hearth]

I am missing 1 idol slot quest and Ive no idea where

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[quiet hearth]

nvm, literally just got it on quest turn in xD

[turbid dome]

The game dropped me the warlock sword unique, exsangious and last step of the living over the course of 20 minutes.

Last night I got two more of the sword

[quiet hearth]

warlock sword?

[waxen nymph]

Spine of Malatros I am guessing

[quiet hearth]

I love that thing how did I not guess that

[waxen nymph]

Could be nice for you VC Judgment build

[turbid dome]

Yeah spine

[waxen nymph]

If you go Judgment Dot

[quiet hearth]

nah, I need the VC sceptre

about those void hammers tho

[waxen nymph]

Not sure what idols I would run

[turbid dome]

How stunning

[waxen nymph]

Probably some Block Effect

[turbid dome]

The classic vitality relics are nice

[quiet hearth]

I have found like two of those this cyce

[waxen nymph]

Yeah but Disintegrating Aura Hammer doesn't scale with Vit

[turbid dome]

Not for damage scaling, just cause vk gets 8 hp and 2% res from each vitality, for a 1 by 2 idol giving 3 vitality its very nice or a bigger one giving like 7 vitality

[quiet hearth]

engi is a person of specific needs

[turbid dome]

D a m a g e

M a x h e a l t h

R e s i s t a n c e

I could probably swap to a void smite build with my current set fairly easily

[quiet hearth]

if you convert smite to lightning, the passive change will make it void still right?

[turbid dome]

I know things on a skill’s tree apply before gear, unsure about passive tree vs skill tree

[quiet hearth]

i think passive trumps all iirc

[turbid dome]

[bleak breach]

you can just look at the toolbar in-game right? it should show final tags, or do u mean for theorycrafting

[turbid dome]

I’m at work so I can’t check rn

[quiet hearth]

because having the extra hits from the lightning nodes with void dmg would be sick

[twilit valley]

Anyone have problems with light arbor , like when going to next passage the load screen takes forever sometimes and doesn’t load ?

Happens often to me in light arbor

[summer shell]

I have alt f4 loading screens seriously 50x more often in dungeons than monos. Not sure what's different between the two

[turbid dome]

Please don’t tell me dungeons are broken again

[twilit valley]

Yeah it’s strange - I hope they fix it

[summer shell]

Sucks because dungeons make you restart too

[sweet hazel]

Between the infinite loading screens and the "Disconnect" bug, I stay away from dungeons as much as possible right now.

At least until there's a patch explicitly addressing it.

[summer shell]

That's why they give you so many key lol, they know you need 3 keys just to get to the end of a dungeon

[twilit valley]

Arg … wasn’t like this before patch

[sweet hazel]

Infinite loading screens existed before but were much, much less common. The weird disconnect bug is new though, at least in my experience.

[rancid lantern]

For nowits been this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9xLbenA but i wonder how I can remove multistrike so as to just warpath -> Cleave, repeat

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (37) / Void Knight (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,806, Regen: 153/s
▸ Mana: 103, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 83 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 99% / 86% / 78% / 85% / 83% / 83%
▸ EHP: 8,610 / 8,610 / 8,610 / 12,700 / 8,610 / 8,610 / 8,610

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 761
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,583)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Multistrike (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Void Cleave (24)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Blade of the Forgotten Knight
• Atrophy

[rancid lantern]

i felt like void hammers is bait

if you arent maximizing Ravaging aura through warpath/multistrike/echoes, might as well not run it

[vale ravine]

so nemesis can give you high LP stuff as well

[rancid lantern]

ye

[vale ravine]

meanwhile my world spliters are getting cold and dot damage lol

[lethal glacier]

i need to craft a good bleed axe....im using a battle axe

[lethal glacier]

i dropped a lp4

[vale ravine]

noice

[sweet hazel]

when I saw this item myself it just made me sad and wished Serpin's Fractal Tree was fixed/working... 😦

[hardy jasper]

lol, the range on shield rush is amazing to rush through the campain/side quests to get passive points and idols

[polar spire]

@misty spindle have you looked into the skill tree of primalists new avalanche yet? holy sh*t its wild

[wheat horizon]

iirc there was a divine bolt build last season - anyone know if that's still alive/viable?

[mighty cedar]

I am trying to make a void shield throw work… before committing could someone help me with optimization and critiques? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3PLXgnA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (51) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (27)

General:

▸ Health: 2,134, Regen: 32/s
▸ Mana: 119, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 75% / 110% / 88% / 87% / 120% / 84%
▸ EHP: 6,124 / 6,094 / 6,124 / 7,683 / 6,436 / 6,436 / 6,124

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 109%, Threshold: 735
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,758)
▸ Block Chance: 40%, Mitigation: 34% (896)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 104%

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smite (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Shield Throw (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Anchor of Oblivion

[crystal sparrow]

Any pally or VK kinda dad builds that let you ignore Pinnacle boss mechanics a fair amount?

[rancid lantern]

I think I fixed it. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgKnw9LB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (37) / Void Knight (76)

General:

▸ Health: 3,789, Regen: 153/s
▸ Mana: 123, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 79 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 99% / 99% / 94% / 89% / 96% / 96%
▸ EHP: 9,346 / 9,346 / 9,346 / 15,314 / 9,346 / 9,346 / 9,346

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 758
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,928)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Erasing Strike (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Void Cleave (23)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Blade of the Forgotten Knight
• Atrophy
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[quiet hearth]

it's still here, it took a hit though

[orchid juniper]

pretty much any erasing strike build can opt to ignore most fight mechanics by using rebuke for mana regen instead of volatile reversal shenannigans

[mighty cedar]

@quiet hearth could I pm you? I’m trying to make a shield throw build and I’m not sure I’m optimizing right

[orchid juniper]

only think I've found that you can't just Rebuke through is, like, Julra's big showstopper move

[quiet hearth]

you can, dont have too much experience with it though

[orchid juniper]

as someone who's been playing shield throw, I'm not sure it gets very optimal tbh

[brisk flax]

hey mattes, anyone have a good starting build for paladin please ? i found a standart javelin one, a shield bash ... since ive already used javelin i wanted to use something new and maybe more fun and efficient than javelin :p

[rancid lantern]

maxroll is your friend

[brisk flax]

yeah they use the javelin one :p so i tough maybe there is something else "more fun" to use :p

[sand wolf]

if you mean leveling build - anything that can utilise healing hands triggering aka anything non-channeled and spammable (low mana cost) should be easy.

[mighty cedar]

What shield throw build are you using I would be interested in comparing

[brisk flax]

yeah i meant leveling build, i know its for a short period of time, i will tryc something around this, also find this build incase anyone want to try something new (still not tried it myself :

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A17Rd8KB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 74

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (9) / Paladin (52)

General:

▸ Health: 3,044, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 170, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 80 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 89% / 102% / 81% / 109% / 94% / 98%
▸ EHP: 12,880 / 12,880 / 12,880 / 20,786 / 12,880 / 12,880 / 12,880

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 75%, Threshold: 627
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (4,822)
▸ Block Chance: 57%, Mitigation: 60% (2,606)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (22)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection

This build has a guide:

1.1 Shield Bash Paladin Leveling Starter | Beginner Friendly LE Build Guide by ronarray

[brisk flax]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A17Rd8KB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 74

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (9) / Paladin (52)

General:

▸ Health: 3,044, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 170, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 80 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 89% / 102% / 81% / 109% / 94% / 98%
▸ EHP: 12,880 / 12,880 / 12,880 / 20,786 / 12,880 / 12,880 / 12,880

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 75%, Threshold: 627
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (4,822)
▸ Block Chance: 57%, Mitigation: 60% (2,606)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (22)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection

This build has a guide:

1.1 Shield Bash Paladin Leveling Starter | Beginner Friendly LE Build Guide by ronarray

[sand wolf]

why you linking people random stuff they didnt ask 4

[sweet hazel]

because they're asking what build they're using

[mighty cedar]

That’s a bash build

[sweet hazel]

also shield bash build that isn't Forge Guard is a little strange

I think it's better on that subclass than pally? 👀

[sand wolf]

this person @brisk flax literally replied with a build link to a question that was asked to different person im confooosed

[mighty cedar]

My fault sorry

[wheat horizon]

Thanks for letting me know. Makes me kinda sad though - I loved d2 java, felt a bit like that 🙂

[brisk flax]

MB lol i should get back to sleep, sorry :p
@sand wolf i tought broody asked me to link the build i was talking about, yet i didnt expect people who literaly "police" chat :p

[sweet hazel]

Oh man I tried making a Lightning Fury style Sentinel last season using the lightning tree on Javelin + Sierpin's Fractal Tree, but the unique item is severely bugged and doesn't play nice with it at all.

[wheat horizon]

shattered dreams ^^ Maybe we'll get there some day

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, hopefully this season or maybe next season we'll see the item corrected. I assume it's probably more difficult than it looks from the outside, because when I very first saw the item I was like "so you're telling me every Javelin I throw can split in to like 20 different javelins" but nope, just splits in to 3 regardless of skill nodes and the 3 don't aim at enemies

[wheat horizon]

same with reave sorc, but maybe thats viable with mana as a def layer now

[sweet hazel]

funny that Sentinel has like the most bugged uniques by far 😂

[wheat horizon]

same for me ^^

[compact gate]

Just finished Chapter 9 with Void Knight, Do I just keep going or can I start looking for void knight builds and respec right now?

[tacit zealot]

You can respec whenever

[compact gate]

Ye but idk if even my items are "decent" for this part of the game
Campaign was kinda way to easy, especially bosses didn't even need to dodge stuff
But idk what is the difficulty spike would be now and how to even start itemizing

Do I go and buy new gear like in POE?

[sweet hazel]

Standard monoliths aren't that hard. You only really start seeing a spike in difficulty as you get to the Lv90 monoliths and empowered, where you really need to solidify a build and itemization.

[tacit zealot]

I was in monos at level 37 and didn't complete campaign

Unless you're hardcore there's no penalty for dying/limit testing

[quiet hearth]

I need to use this with the bleed node in forge strike

[compact gate]

Got it, so what about buying items? personally upgrading gear is part of the fun for me
I chose that circle of the bazaar thingy, can I just go on and buy better items straight away?

[bleak breach]

dang, got some serious survivability?

[sweet hazel]

Merchants you can buy gear upgrades pretty much immediately if you have the gold, but it vastly expedites your end game and can lead to quicker burnout.
I personally prefer Circle, I prefer doing solo-self found gameplay. Makes seasons last longer, but it's ultimately upt o you.

[tacit zealot]

Not much I'm just using divine bolts paladin so was getting like 3k ward

[sweet hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[quiet hearth]

uber bleed go brr

[bleak breach]

i have yet to touch ward in this game haha, only ever seriously done two characters but i still only have like 80 hours

[compact gate]

This is a POE warm up for me so don't plan on playing more than a week from now on or so, so don't mind going all in right away

[sweet hazel]

I thought Forge Strike bleed wanted to stack bleeds for more damage and not make the stacks go away faster 👀

[tacit zealot]

I also prefer circle of fortune but if you're a trading fan on Poe then merchants guild might be up your alley

[compact gate]

Ok is there a way to easily share my gear for review and recommendations?

[bleak breach]

lastepochtools and import your character to the build planner

[tacit zealot]

I had great luck with defensive affix I'm currently level 70 with 3.8k ward but 135% crit avoidance with all ele resistances over 200% but DPS is slow asf haha

[quiet hearth]

you can still stack bleeds so long as you have more than the 100%, all it does is increase the dps they do

[compact gate]

So, any recommendations? followed a maxroll leveling guide (Rive Bleed)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/axther/character/VoidHarbinger

[bleak breach]

why do u have so much ele res? XD

[tacit zealot]

To add onto pigmastas message below this: you're most likely going to get replacements out the wazoo going into monoliths so the gear you're running now will be replaced soon

[tacit zealot]

Got 44% on shield and another 20-30 on another gear item

[compact gate]

The thing is I barely understand what is "better gear", I'm a simple man, I see number go up, I click

[tacit zealot]

I'm 71 so still gear hunting and this is best I've seen so farm lol

[sweet hazel]

that makes it a little confusing that you play poe 😅

[tacit zealot]

Practice. It's all good us saying what to change but next time we may not be here and following a guide

[compact gate]

So my general question is, is my gearing "decent"? like did I do an ok job in the campaign?

[compact gate]

Well in PoE I need to use brain, here I let brain rest

[tacit zealot]

Look at skills in game and take note of their scaling tags (melee, spell, fire, lightning) as those are usually what you want to follow

[sweet hazel]

Fair. I stay away from PoE because it's way too complex for my taste.

that and I actually really dislike their skill system. I don't like that there's no real definition to the classes, and instead it's all in gems.

[tacit zealot]

Poe isn't as complex as people think it's just that other software is needed for a new player to enjoy fully

[bleak breach]

it was too difficult to make my own build in PoE, hence why i like this game a lot more, much easier to at least begin endgame stuff without really scrutinizing your own build

[sweet hazel]

Once I saw you needed to keep track of the 158 different currencies and the 792 different skill gems and how they interact, it was too complex.

[tacit zealot]

Their skills are customisable just like LE the difference is you have to be super specific with gearing to get the right sockets for the gems you wanna use

[quiet hearth]

You dont really need to do any of that though

[bleak breach]

in last epoch you have to keep track of 700+ affixes, it's just flavor text meant to make it sound scary, in reality it's prolly not that complex

[tacit zealot]

Yeah you don't need to memorize any more than 10 at any one time

[sweet hazel]

Eh. I'm hoping PoE2 is serious about doing away with the whole skill gem thing.

[bleak breach]

PoE's skill tree is scary af tho i will say

[compact gate]

You will have skill gems but no colored gem sockets

[sweet hazel]

I'll probably like it a lot more with a more traditional class system.

[compact gate]

POE 2 will have 12 classes and 36 sub-classes

[verbal schooner]

im thinking about leveling a paladin to play with Palarus's. is leveling with it any good, or should i just do holy trail and swap over later?

[tacit zealot]

Yeah the passive system and the lack of easy respecs is what stopped me from going back after the necropolis theme

[quiet hearth]

when you realize most of the poe tree is just stat nodes it's a lot less scary, now that atlas tree. But poe was built for a certain type of player.

[lament star]

what's better ? 🤔 should i keep using ToB for my bleed minion or will a 2H give more dps ?

[tacit zealot]

Rive/healing hands is easy and simple to play you just focus melee affixes

[bleak breach]

i dont get why games insist and such costly respecs, maybe there's something i'm missing but it seems like it'd only hurt expereince

[sweet hazel]

Actually why I like that D2/D2R gives you three free ones per character and then more from doing bosses.

[compact gate]

Well poe2 will have easier respec, hope they bring it to poe1 at some point

[tacit zealot]

The way LE has done it with the need to grind the levels again is a great concept you get punished for respeccing but not much

[quiet hearth]

It's a hold over from a different time in gaming, you gotta remember how old poe is

[tacit zealot]

A game being old isn't an excuse to not rework things

[bleak breach]

in LE you can respec your whole tree and not lose like 20 hours of gameplay time

[quiet hearth]

It is when you have to completely rework the engine to do so, there is a reason why we are getting poe2

[tacit zealot]

Look at no mans sky

[sweet hazel]

I find myself at a weird spot on that field. I do think that ARPGs could gain a lot from being more casual-friendly, but not Too casual friendly like D4 did where you just equip new item because green number go up.

[summer shell]

I actually think lasp epoch has respeccing backwards, respeccing in empowered monos is literally a sub 10 minute endeavour but trying out lots of skills at low level when you first start out is way too punishing imo

[bleak breach]

that's valid actually

[quiet hearth]

LL respecs are so much better now, the only thing I could think would be give us all our slots up front because we already get those skills long before that level anyway

No mans sky is also a completely different beast, but Im not gonna ramble about it because this is sent chat and want to keep it focused on that

[sweet hazel]

Let's be real this is a glorified hangout channel where all us sword and board dudes chill. 😂

At least it's better than whatever General is.

[bleak breach]

general chat in any large community server is something i never touch

[quiet hearth]

I mean, it's part of the TOS, but mostly I dont want things to blow up like gen chat does

it's really odd we dont have a bleed sword now that I am looking

[vital root]

Hey, how is forge strike after buffs? Am I correct that the forged weapons use your weapon's stats such as melee damage or ailment chances on it?

[quiet hearth]

FS is pretty solid after buffs, and yes you are correct

[sweet hazel]

Why don't we have a Hammer Throw weapon. :madge:

[summer shell]

They take all simple stats except core stats

[vital root]

How do you mean core stats? Implicit mods? Attributes?

[summer shell]

Giving your minion str does nothing

Except the inherent scaling it has with str from any piece of gear

[quiet hearth]

I mean, just restricting hammers to mace/sceptre like jav is with spears would be huge

[summer shell]

Yeah attribute is a better word sorry

[sweet hazel]

I was genuinely shocked when I realized there's no unique Throw Hammer weapon, but we'll probably see it one day!

I'd like to see it be a veneration weapon like "Hammer of the Oak" instead of "Heart of the Oak"

[vital root]

Why do they scale attunement so hard on forge strike builds? Damage scaling the weapons?

[summer shell]

Yep

Strength scales them too but it doesn't tell you that in game

[quiet hearth]

forged weapons do not scale with str

[summer shell]

The minion does scale with str according to letools which I'm pretty sure is accurate

[quiet hearth]

Im looking at the tooltip in game right now

[summer shell]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/weapon

[sweet hazel]

They do not

[summer shell]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/weapon

[quiet hearth]

in game tool tips > than LEtools as per devs

[sweet hazel]

that's forge strike my guy

[summer shell]

That's literally the actual minion that gets summoned. I'm not saying it's correct all I'm saying is letools pulls directly from the game files

[sweet hazel]

It's displayed very weirdly but what you're seeing is Forge Strike's scalings and then an explanation of what summons from it

[quiet hearth]

and the game tells you it's just attunement, and you can even test it in game, they get nothing from str

[summer shell]

[sweet hazel]

that's why the one I took a screenshot of is just the minion itself and not the attached skill that can summon it

it makes it very confusing that way because you're seeing both skills scalings and it leads to building wrong

[summer shell]

?? You did the opposite

You sent the skill "summon forged weapon" I sent the minion forged weapon

[quiet hearth]

literally from LE tools

[heady swan]

Question for all of you more experienced folks. I got to Empowered Echos on my Paladin with my leveling build (javelin/holy trail), but I may have switched too early to Bleed Hammers (I can't kill fast and run OOM), should I respec back or level up to 85 on the 90+ Echos? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/DoggoLE/character/Hammertime

[summer shell]

This is not the minion this is a hidden secondary cast from forge strike that summons the weapon

[sweet hazel]

No, these are the tooltips.
Left is just the Forged Weapon itself
Right is Forged Strike.

That's why you click the 'Summon Forged Weapon' listed under Trigger on Hit

[bleak breach]

Click the forged weapon minion on the summon forged weapon

[sweet hazel]

again, that's forge strike you're looking at

This isn't that difficult, come on, lol.

[summer shell]

Am I getting trolled

This dude sends a spell and I send an actual minion

[sweet hazel]

No, you're just looking at it completely wrong. We aren't all collectively agreeing to troll you. Forged Weapons do not scale with strength.

[summer shell]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing that it doesn't actually scale in game. All Im saying is that it does according to the minion coding as displayed

[bleak breach]

The minion "Forged Weapon" seems to scale with strength? It's just not shown on the summon skill

[summer shell]

Agreed

[sweet hazel]

For some reason the minion page is coded to display the scalings of the skill that summons it, no idea why they chose to do that.

It happens for the Primalist minions, too.

[carmine echo]

Can anyone confirm if you can have multiple stacks of ravaging aura, or does a new stack just refresh duration?

[bleak breach]

Ohhh so the scaling only applies from the skill that summons it and minions do not have implicit scaling?

[quiet hearth]

you just refresh

[sweet hazel]

Correct

Forged Weapons instead scale from Attunement only

[bleak breach]

That was the gap of understanding you, ike, and I had then

Or ike and I I should say sorry

[sweet hazel]

but the way the minions tab is displayed leads to misinformation because it's not clear on LEtools unless you look at the bottom where it says "Forge Strike", like I tried to circle

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, LEtools has it done weird, which may just be a coding thing for all I know. but generally you trust what the in game tooltips tell you

[sweet hazel]

Yep. You can just hover the forged weapon node itself and it'll tell you what it scales with

[summer shell]

So the tooltip scaling is forge strike plus the minion just mashed into one

That is actually interesting and I'm sorry I didn't believe you

[carmine echo]

Ah dang, okay.

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, for some weird ass reason. No reason to apologize, just the way the minion page is set up on LEtools.

That's why I was linking the direct spell itself because there's no added information, easier to read.

[bleak breach]

the minion's page should list the scaling for each summon source separately and labeled accordingly

[sweet hazel]

Agreed, that'd be more precise and easier to understand lol

[summer shell]

I appreciate the jank and very different scaling vectors of fg but I also hate how unclear it all is

[bleak breach]

At least it's one of those things that's only confusing first time you find out abt it

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, even in-game it could be a bit more clear. If you hover Forge Strike in-game it'll tell you it scales with attunement, but won't tell you it's the minions explicitly that scale and not forge strike itself

Forge Strike only scales with Strength

[bleak breach]

oh dang, good catch

[summer shell]

Has anyone tested the new more melee damage hammer on manifest armor? I was thinking the attack speed debuff wouldn't matter if you use shield throw ricochet

[sweet hazel]

Haven't done a minion build on sent myself yet.

was too busy trying the new shield bash lol

[summer shell]

I swapped from forged weapons to shield bash last night been having fun with it

[bleak breach]

does shield bash have any void synergy?

[summer shell]

None lol

[bleak breach]

ripp, i love purple

[summer shell]

You can do fire but you need a ton of points

Honestly forgeguard tree has better support for shield bash than their 3 minion skills it's sad

Mastery still has a big identity crisis in the tree

[bleak breach]

haha that's a great way to put it

[summer shell]

Half the points need a shield while the minions heavily encourage 2 handers

[quiet hearth]

sometimes, you get lucky

[sweet hazel]

Yeah Forge Guard has always had an identity crisis.

[sweet hazel]

void resistance is usually theo ne thing I never have to build on Sentinel, it's everywhere in the passive tree lol

[bleak breach]

bad roll, not 7 vit

[quiet hearth]

FG minions also scale with equipment to be fair, also having this frees up passive points

[sweet hazel]

True. I need my throwing crit multiplier large idols tho

[ruby igloo]

is it somehow workable so im not running out of mana ?

[bleak breach]

it's stacking per second so it's impossible

[sweet hazel]

the worst node for this skill, I always avoid it

If they ever introduced mana leech in to teh game it'd be viable

[ruby igloo]

i use that way right now im fg

[bleak breach]

so at an initial channel cost of say 14 each second it'll be 14>18>22>26>...

[bleak breach]

dude, that'd be sick

[tribal basin]

No it's not . But rule of thumb : with 5 points it's 200 mana for 4 seconds and 300 for 5

[feral burrow]

Trying actually to do a forge guard fire oriented with Smite/Healing hand and forge strike and i have a silly question, i have a lot of node to increase my melee fire damage(also for my forged weapons), we agree that it does not impact ignite damage overall? it is only by increased fire or elemental that does it? Was wondering as i am trying to see if i can put ignite into my suboptimal build.

[summer shell]

Mana needs a serious second look next league

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, I agree. Mana management is hell, that's why I tend to favor 0 mana builds.

[tribal basin]

4 seconds is important because of VR

[ruby igloo]

okei then i cant boost my area

[sweet hazel]

You can through other nodes and idols
and affixes on gear

[ruby igloo]

right now i use fully random idols i doent go if i go hp% and +hp or warpath area ones

[sweet hazel]

You can use, if memory serves, like 2 or 3 Warpath Area idols and still get HP ones in there. Plus you can get it on gear.

[summer shell]

I understand that they don't want it to become meaningless like Poe but it should be solvable

[ruby igloo]

right now

[sweet hazel]

Yep, but then you got stuff like that Warpath node that just aren't ever buildable because why would you want to oom yourself after 2 seconds lol

[bleak breach]

it's a grand idol so 3x1

[ruby igloo]

i wait when market prices go lower to add bonuses to like lp2 gear or somhting

[sweet hazel]

are you the warpath build that summons weapons?

[ruby igloo]

yep

[sweet hazel]

I tried to make that work last season but I couldn't get past like 500ish corruption

[ruby igloo]

use void clave to boost them to infinity power

[summer shell]

Do you think sword catcher is really better than apathys maw

[ruby igloo]

body have 15 and helmet 8%

[sweet hazel]

It's probably better on the warpath minion build, since warpath isn't your main damage tool

[ruby igloo]

a lot hits miss randomly already to survive

[summer shell]

Doom works on the minions + maw has 100% minion dam 100% phys and 100% melee for 300% for weps I felt like it was absolutely insane

[ruby igloo]

sword catcher unique bonus

[sweet hazel]

Sword gives massive flat melee minion damage which is probably better than the 100%

[ruby igloo]

weapon have 13 parry change to heal me to max hp. armor give 25% change enemy miss me already. its like total 40% enemy hit not kill me

[summer shell]

It's definitely way stronger defensively. I feel like 16% more from doom is so hard to pass up for any melee based build though

[sweet hazel]

Yeah it's a tossup.

Seems like Sword Catcher was intentionally designed for it, especially if combined with Experimental Boots that give you Frenzy when you use a traversal skill.

[summer shell]

It's definitely a very cool weapon

[sweet hazel]

also the +6 to melee skills is 👀

[summer shell]

6 is absolutely nuts

[sweet hazel]

lol lv31 fs

[ruby igloo]

force strike warpath and void cleave likes that

imagine if have +4 forge strike body to

[bleak breach]

jesus, 31 on a skill seems so cursed

[summer shell]

I feel like the difference between 24 and 31 though is tiny there's not much minion scaling you're passing up on

[sweet hazel]

My minion acolyte has Lv35 minion skills... the new ring is absurd.

[ruby igloo]

for real 31 is to much lol. i never use anvil skill

[bleak breach]

hahaha, i feel like the devs did not intend for this much on the tree at once

[summer shell]

+2 argentus +4 from t7 can you hit 40??

[sweet hazel]

Definitely not. I think I could get Lv42 minion skills on Acolyte with all t7 and the uniques.

[ruby igloo]

37 or 38 is limit i think

[bleak breach]

literally doubling the base, jeez

meanwhile i just want my one t7 for warpath XD

[orchid juniper]

Anyone want to help me refine this mid-endgame target build for my Shield Throw FG? Legendary affixes on there at the moment are totally insane best case stuff, just to get some stuff on the generated loot filter
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Ba9K78zB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (58) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,117, Regen: 30/s
▸ Mana: 200, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 68 Str / 11 Dex / 1 Int / 2 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 43% / 3% / 62% / 32% / 30% / 43%
▸ EHP: 5,202 / 4,138 / 3,176 / 8,606 / 3,820 / 3,754 / 4,138

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 268
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,288)
▸ Block Chance: 72%, Mitigation: 46% (1,692)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (25)
• Ring Of Shields (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Shield Bash (21)
• Manifest Armor (21)

Used unique items:

• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Monument of Protection

[ruby igloo]

i need t5 warpath only thanksfully

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, like; two Phantom rings, Naal's tooth, the t7 affixes and all that.

[summer shell]

This is a cool concept. Is it not super tedious weaving all these rotational spells?

[bleak breach]

what item gets anomaly levels? helm?

[wise rune]

Yes helm

[bleak breach]

yeah it's helm, a t7 for that would allow me to have 100% uptime

[orchid juniper]

rotation? lmao this is just spamming shield throw, occasionally bonking bosses with bash to force potion drops and interrupt dangerous attacks

[bleak breach]

bosses can be stunned out of attacks? how did i not know this

[summer shell]

Gotcha, I thought you were shield bashing every other throw to get 5 ricochets

[sweet hazel]

Sure as hell can, even pinnacles.

[orchid juniper]

the 5 extra ricochets are a net loss compared to the 2-3 additional throws you can fit in the same time span

[summer shell]

One thing I noticed is that you don't have the 30% attack speed end node in base tree

[bleak breach]

is stunning a boss a specific ability of a skill or something or is there a core mech i somehow missed

[summer shell]

It's not melee aps so it scales shield throw

[bleak breach]

wait, does anomaly stun a boss?

[sweet hazel]

Everything that can crowd control can stun a boss. Snap Freeze for mage, for example

[ruby igloo]

grand idol is 3x1 ?

[bleak breach]

x by y 3x1 yes

[sweet hazel]

Shield Bash can actually stunlock bosses, with the new no-cd node, which is hilarious that they aren't cc immune yet

[bleak breach]

yet

[vale ravine]

anomaly specifically says it does not lock bosses tho

[sweet hazel]

Yeah I'm pretty sure they will become immune eventually. You can just make it so Aberroth doesn't move, like at all, with the no-cd shieldbash and stacked stun chance.

[bleak breach]

not lock but it sends them "a millisecond" forward

[ruby igloo]

if damage is reflected then i get that % dmg myself to ?or enemy totaly miss it ?

[summer shell]

You take it

[ruby igloo]

i get in 100% and enemy get back 19% of it ?

[bleak breach]

wait, yeah you're right there but i swear i read somewhere it sends bosses forward by a millisecond

[vale ravine]

i mean practically i cant tell if it does a micro interrupt or not cause im spamming ES like a madman and it keeps stun locking everything so 😄

[summer shell]

You take same amount of damage, enemy takes 19% of post mitigation damage. It's very weak without specific building around it

[vale ravine]

but according to tooltip it shouldnt even micro

[bleak breach]

was there a really recent api update? or what does the skill say in-game, not LEtools

either it's written somewhere/was recently removed, or i'm actually losing my mind

[sweet hazel]

Losing your mind is always a probability.

[bleak breach]

[sweet hazel]

I have never gone void knight so idk, lol.

[summer shell]

I remember this too

[vale ravine]

there are better ways anyway to stun a boss practically so in the grand scheme of things kinda doesnt matter

[summer shell]

Wait maybe it's the vk capstone one

[bleak breach]

oh shoot

[summer shell]

Poor mans cheat death

[vale ravine]

i dont think i ever specced that node lol

[summer shell]

Same lol

[bleak breach]

you're right, it's the vk capstone :evasive: i need to take my meds apparently

[summer shell]

[bleak breach]

hey in my defense it has the same graphic as anomaly on the node

[ruby igloo]

oh thx whoever talked about that idol 😄

[bleak breach]

haha, nice!

[vale ravine]

yes, yes, keep buying my idols

[summer shell]

Idols are my only envy of merchants guild players they SUCK ssf

[vale ravine]

i just sold a spellblade one for 2.5M lol

[ruby igloo]

xD need 2 more then i can go like 4 hp idols or somhting

[orchid juniper]

oh man yeah you get such awful rolls on idols ssf-ing, on the rare occasions that the stats actually line up

[summer shell]

Oh sweet a double proc idol mono

Zero go through filter

[bleak breach]

who was it that told me to save all idols, cuz i now have 7 pages full and i think it's getting outta hand

[vale ravine]

you got got

[summer shell]

This is diabolical lmfao

[bleak breach]

hey the pages are cheap tho

[vale ravine]

they dont know

[wise rune]

I need to sort through my stash so bad but it's gonna take forever

[quiet hearth]

gotta love nemmys

[bleak breach]

i played before the stash tab price change and my bank hurt at how much money i'd wasted

[ruby igloo]

my 9% void resistance

[bleak breach]

dude those void worms would 1 shot u

[vale ravine]

how ...

[quiet hearth]

time for that beastmaster build I guess

[vale ravine]

like you actually need to go out of your way to not have void res lol

[ruby igloo]

every item i upgrade in that new egg upgrade system ends with elemental defence only

[vale ravine]

i mean it's a free roll

[ruby igloo]

i try 2 day more to get that free rolled void res

[bleak breach]

imagine rolling a t7 hybrid health or something lol

[summer shell]

Not a free roll when it's the rot man

[vale ravine]

but tbh the money is in the exalts, there is some crazy stuff coming out of nemesis

double exalts with 59 forge potential with sealed affixes lol

[bleak breach]

i've been having bad luck with them, i banish like at least 3/4 times

[vale ravine]

ye it def favors MG, most of the crazy stuff i dont personally care about but it basically feeds my LP slamming casino

[ruby igloo]

i never banish

if not like loot challange him and kill him like under 5 second

[bleak breach]

someone said it here before but seeing a sealed t6 or t7 is so cursed

[summer shell]

Yeah heavily favors mg when they pump out t25 items for every build you can imagine. Not so useful for SSF lol

[vale ravine]

tbf the market is not that great, need to search a LOT for something i could even remotely have a chance of turning into an item i actually want
i feel like last league was way easier supply wise

[summer shell]

Never used market before. Is there a dump sell stash tab feature like poe

[night rock]

so...what are my options for defense against DOTs if im not using a ward build?

[vale ravine]

we have auctioneers around here, talking to actual people is cringe

you have "armor applies to DoTs" and you have.....
no, that's it

[summer shell]

It's not great. Sentinel can get armor applies to dots and you can get cleanse on belt

[vale ravine]

oaky i guess "less dot damage taken" amulet implicit also exists

[bleak breach]

avoiding the dot

[night rock]

so like i jsut die agains t4 julra or hierot blizzard if i dont have half a second reaction time?

[vale ravine]

have you tried evading and changing timelines? 😄

[night rock]

the dot she puts on the ground is from changing timelines

[summer shell]

Without cleanse on potion use prob lol

[bleak breach]

wacsa did you see i died last night to a poison pool after killing a nemesis which dropped my legendary apthy's maw and i lost it XD

[vale ravine]

always keep running around the edge of the arena after a change dont stand in place, that kinda solves it

[night rock]

RIP warpath then

im trying to place it on the outside but if im delayed at all in my reaction, i die. i think i need to stack more HP, 2000 isnt enough

[vale ravine]

ye 2k is kinda low

[summer shell]

I'm always terrified of this. Luckily mine are always trash I guess?

[sweet hazel]

Generally end game you want 3-4k hp, capped resistances, at least 60%dr from armor

[night rock]

jeez and i was just playing spellblade that got 3k ward just for free, seems armor is so far behind in this game?

[vale ravine]

well i want 6k but it will take awhile XD

[bleak breach]

it rolled frailty anyways so i'm not too mad but still sucked to lose the weapon, a few shades later tho i got another lp1 one

[sweet hazel]

Different playstyle, yeah. Mages don't stack armor, Sentinel kinda has to though

[night rock]

yea i have 6200 armor, but only 2k hp. capped resists.

[vale ravine]

ohm, static shell says hello 😄

i love that chest piece

[summer shell]

Ward players stack int melee players stack health % +health armor% +armor hybrid health. It's very balanced trust me

[night rock]

lol

[sweet hazel]

True, though it seems the meta right now for Glacier/Shattering mages is the 10k-16k ward facetank everything build

[night rock]

and then the flame ward panic button and all the defenses teleport gives...

idk im not an expert but seems super imbalanced

[sweet hazel]

Range / Spellcast / Melee has always been imbalanced in aprgs.

Melee classes having it hard is a tale as old as time

[night rock]

typically melee doesnt have worse defense straight up AND damage uptime though...

[vale ravine]

ye wouldnt use it on everything but if i go mage i usually also go spark charge, so static shell is an easy include. 10-16 STR from twisted heart, double armor blessings and cruising with 40-50-60% armor... and then the 10k+ ward lol
mage is crazy

[summer shell]

Ranged is an obvious advantage but ward scaling being so much easier is not an inherent melee vs ranged issue it just exacerbates it

It's automatically worse but also harder to gear and punishes uptime constantly with boss design

[night rock]

armor + hp eats like 2 affixes on every slot vs just int, how has this been overlooked for the entirety of 1.0

[summer shell]

And int is a dps stat LOL

[sweet hazel]

Yup, a 100+ int mage gets everything from it.

[vale ravine]

i mean, you can STR stack too (on certain build to a certain degree). the problem is diminishing return hits you harrrrrrd

[sweet hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-661SSHU3E0

64 second glacier sorc kill

[night rock]

melee isnt even this bad in poe, its just clunky. its straight up so bad here is what im seeing?

[bleak breach]

maybe i should try a non-melee mage...

[vale ravine]

wat. melee is literally a meme in PoE

[summer shell]

Plus you also need flat armor sources instead of it getting pumped out of every skill like ward

Melee has been fantastic in Poe before it's just been a few years. It's purely tuning

[night rock]

melee is only really bad against maven and sirus, the reason people hate it is because 50% of the damage is tied up in totems

[vale ravine]

i dunno i wouldnt do T17s on melee either lol

[summer shell]

Tons of t17 viable melee builds. Obviously it's harder but bows are just op

[night rock]

melee is super viable, its just those 2 bosses i mentioend that are actively cancerous, and melee builds often have the ability to sit around in stuff because of superior defenses. it is the super clunky totem playstyle that nobody likes.

[sweet hazel]

I don't think any arpg will really solve that balance scale, honestly. Either range is a meme and doesn't do enough damage to warrant the cost (D2 Bowazon) or melee is a meme and doesn't warrant the risk (PoE)

and then spellcasting is just always overpowered, like unconditionally.

[summer shell]

Disagree, Poe has proven before that melee can be fun and powerful it just always gets nerfed imo people just prefer being a caster

[night rock]

it just seems particularly egregious here, where spellcasters are getting 10k ward jsut from existing while melee builds are scrounging every affix to have a fraction of the tankiness?

[vale ravine]

i think we are close tho, just need basically 2 threshold nodes in our passive tree to double dip from HP and armor scaling somehow, feed it back into endurance or int oeach other something like that

[tribal basin]

Flickerstrike ❤️

[summer shell]

Dude old slams in Poe were some of the most fun I've ever had in an arpg

[night rock]

melee in poe shows how hard melee is to balance, because when its good, it is overpoweringly better than other options. legion league cyclone comes to mind

[sweet hazel]

Should've seen Ward last season, it was normal for Mage and Acolyte to have like 60k ward.

[vale ravine]

i mean i always only played ethical builds but even with a simple twisted heart RM I had 100k+ EHP

[night rock]

hah, i just got into the game now. punished for playing a non spellcaster, i guess. such is life!

[summer shell]

Or maybe anything is hard to balance lol always gonna be something on top

[vale ravine]

should clarify, 100k+ without frostguard lol

[sweet hazel]

They have reigned in Ward's superiority A LOT this season but it's definitely still too easy and too effective.

Especially since, because Ward regenerates/generates WAY faster than Health in almost every circumstance, it's far more EHP.

[summer shell]

I'm just glad LE is moving in a better direction balancewise. For all the fair criticisms it's way better than last seasons wraithlord and jelkor meta

[vale ravine]

any mage build is probably still easily hitting 100k EHP if they want

[night rock]

getting back on topic, it is so dumb how dots are so dangerous to non ward builds while...nothing is dangerous to ward stackers

i was having so much fun playing smite warpath, but 300 corruption has stopped me in my tracks

[vale ravine]

we sweating for 30-40k

[night rock]

just instant deaths from dot effects and its like whatever dude

[tacit garden]

Are you playing that with the new sword and spreading flames?

[sweet hazel]

I actually really dislike how this game does Poison damage. I do not like that it reduces your resistance to poison exponentially per stack, and the Rotsteel Nemesis exemplified how broken of a mechanic this is.

I have 3,856 Health, 67% DR from Armor, and 129% Poison Res, but if I stand in the Rotsteel Nemesis poison pool for more than 0.25s, I am instantly dead.

[summer shell]

I had to swap to shield bash at 300 with mediocre gear sent is just so weak against dots

[vale ravine]

i dont think it's exponential, it's just rotsteel is borked

[summer shell]

And it's double punishing imo because dying to dots means anything that drops gets deleted lmao blows my mind that is still how echos work

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. All the other nemesis are basically cakewalks, but the Rotsteel is my nightmare fuel.

[vale ravine]

ye 100% im just saying the base math is I think actually pretty solid when it comes to resistances, like it way more than PoE's calculation personally

[quiet hearth]

whichever one is the poison one is terrible

[sweet hazel]

That's Rotsteel, lol. I hate him.

I've lost a lot of gear to him, not realizing his poison pool stays out for like 15 seconds.

[vale ravine]

but ye if you have dont have eternal gauntlet and erased sentinel and MAYBE ALSO oracle amulet, forget about it

[feral burrow]

Trying actually to do a forge guard fire oriented with Smite/Healing hand and forge strike and i have a silly question, i have a lot of node to increase my melee fire damage(also for my forged weapons), we agree that it does not impact ignite damage overall? it is only by increased fire or elemental that does it? Was wondering as i am trying to see if i can put ignite into my suboptimal build.

[summer shell]

I don't like how overwhelmingly good erased sentinel is for sent any decent rolls forces out most other idols

[vale ravine]

ye not a fan of needing to include the an RNG item mandatorily, that and HP idols are 100% the reason i would never CoF sentinel lol

[sweet hazel]

Yup.
Only exception is if you're hammer throw, but then if you roll hammer throw in the weaver welp gg it's still the best.

[turbid dome]

Sentinels weaver relic comes with generic good stats every sentinel wants, gamba time gamba time

[vale ravine]

I did.... on ES....

was slightly mad about it

[sweet hazel]

Sentinel needs a massive relic rework because it is pretty silly that basically every build is just Erased Sentinel

[crystal bramble]

I’ve been farming the hell out of them trying to an ES one. I have two VC, Judgment, and Smite so far. My ES one is a bunch of increased Void damage which is nice at least..

[summer shell]

I can't even name another sent relic besides the axe throwing one

[tacit garden]

Anyone have experience running the new palarus sword with smite paladin? I just hit empowered and my damage feels horrible

[crystal bramble]

There’s the Anchor one a lot of VKs use

[sweet hazel]

@quiet hearth is dual wielding it with Aurelis

[summer shell]

Anchor is cool ya

[vale ravine]

you know what, armor applies to dots up to like.... 40% should be one of our passive threshold nodes. the other is HP to endurance threshold
that's the baseline minimum lol

[night rock]

do any sentinel builds use ward? im not gonna play antoher one with how bad armor is

[turbid dome]

Warding hands?

[summer shell]

Endurance is so insanely expensive to scale as it stands, almost zero baseline support in trees I feel like it could be a great way to passively buff melee like fortify in Poe

[tacit garden]

I'm doing a warpath build with it atm, with the firestarter torch. I'll check his out tho. I just don't know what else to do to scale lit lol

[sweet hazel]

Yeah there's a support pally build that does but it's only really good in group play

[vale ravine]

i mean i guess you could play twisted heart smite somehow?

[tacit garden]

@quiet hearth why u no stream

[sweet hazel]

Main problem with ward on Sentinel is Sentinel has no int scaling.

so it's kind of just like a waste really

[night rock]

what does falconer scale taht it is so giga?

[turbid dome]

Bleed I think

[vale ravine]

ye you could rob get up to 2-4k with a shackles but that's kinda it and i dont like burning gloves slot personally

[quiet hearth]

cleaver solution

[summer shell]

Falconer kills everything before it can get hit pretty good defensive layer

[sweet hazel]

True, cleaver solution does exist.

[vale ravine]

sure but what are you STR stacking and DWing on, like PURE str stacking

[sweet hazel]

Just go strength and you have int equal to it.

[night rock]

guess im going back to mage until the devs balance defenses, this is like 2.0 era poe life vs es

[summer shell]

While we are on the subject, why the hell does dw make you take more damage lol

[final lantern]

someone play with this ?

[vale ravine]

Mike got asked this on a podcast two weeks ago and the answer was.... basically nobody knows lol

[sterile latch]

No. Command has almost no stats unless you're relying on ravaging auras.

[vale ravine]

"wanted to balance it somehow"

[sweet hazel]

Makes you take more on Primalist, too. Seems... unnecessary.

[vale ravine]

ye i think it has a good chance of going away in a patch or two

[summer shell]

Yeah because it's sooooooo op this season. There are so few situations where 9% plus a second weapon is better than just slapping on a shield

Even rogue uses a shield I think because it's insane survivability and 9% is a massive hit

[sweet hazel]

Especially since now... a shield weapon, for dual wield shields lmao

[sterile latch]

Nah people have said that when there wasn't a penalty it was op. More stats than a 2h

[vale ravine]

ye but nerf the stats, not the defense 😄

[sweet hazel]

Well, yeah, you forego an entire slot for defensive stats, of course lol

Most 2H weapons include defensive stats / survivability

[summer shell]

Should use a Poe like solution where they alternate swings but get a buff not a nerf lol

[sterile latch]

It's more stats than a 2h @sweet hazel 2hander can't compete

You're not just comparing to shield and weapon

[summer shell]

There are tons of 2h specific support points in sent I think it would compete just fine

[sweet hazel]

Except that 2H weapons fill their own role, especially with skill customizations through nodes. That seems like an overwhelmingly simple way to look at it.

[vale ravine]

im gonna say it, what sentinel needs is titangrip 😄

[summer shell]

Plus with how mana works right now more attack speed isn't always a good thing

[vale ravine]

i wouldnt even care about the 9% damage lol

[turbid dome]

Foe Cleaver node on rive makes 2H the best

[sterile latch]

Yeah ok. But they literally tried no penalty. Go read the complaints about the meta then

[quiet hearth]

Give 2h inherent dr

[summer shell]

2h plus shield capstone for forgeguard would go so hard

[vale ravine]

that was like years ago though, pre-ward if im not mistaken

[crystal bramble]

That bug was so fun while it lasted

[summer shell]

It was awesome lol

[sweet hazel]

also I don't see how it's much different with the kind of raw stats mages get from Catalysts, there's a reason they don't use staves lol

[quiet hearth]

its wild to think all this stuff Im trying has bee worse some how than scaling poison,ignite, and bleed at once

[sweet hazel]

DoTs are super strong in LE

[sterile latch]

Probably just because it's easier to scale ailments early on. How good is your gear?

[sweet hazel]

I'm converting to bleed hammers on my hammerdin.

Shield Rush Ignite is also like giga tier gotta build one of them

[quiet hearth]

I was using the ruby fang set, so absolute garbage xD

[vale ravine]

i like big bonks and i cannot lie

[summer shell]

I wanna build this sooooo bad, t7 ele dot is so rare though

[night rock]

does void knight have the same survivability problems, it seems they want to stack vit?

[sweet hazel]

It is. I've gotten some rare perfect rolled T7s to date, but no ele dot.

[wise rune]

Yes it does

[vale ravine]

well there is no other way for the most part, just not rewarded for it enough (still)

[summer shell]

Scaling with defensives is a cool idea they could explore more for melee

[vale ravine]

it's not "vit" stacking per se tho, it's HP and armor stacking with endurance. some comes from vit, some comes from STR, some comes flat

[wise rune]

Well void knight often wants to stack vitality for damage

[quiet hearth]

got a sunwreath and an egg boys, wish me luck

[vale ravine]

after doing the math (for ES)... meh

i think it's more like they want you to think that you want to stack vit above everything on VK, but in reality it is still a balancing act. some, sure, but not everywhere and always

[wise rune]

It depends on the build

You don't stack pure vit on ES

[peak girder]

@sweet hazel I just saw the planner for your FG hammer throw build. What kind of corruption levels are you clearing?

[vale ravine]

idols for example, would never go with vit instad of HP

[sweet hazel]

about 6 or 700 before I started to switch to bleed hammer. That Novadin is great for speed farming, though.

[vale ravine]

even if it double dipped my damage

[quiet hearth]

pour one out for me homies

[vale ravine]

i thought you are ruby fanging

[peak girder]

Nice, ty. Do you also have a planner for the bleed build?

[quiet hearth]

I had some other ideas, needed a break, but what is funny wasca is that nothing I have tried has worked as well so far xD

[vale ravine]

i mean that's kind of sad 😄

[sweet hazel]

Nah I use the one from Maxroll. I only made that planner for the Novadin because the one on Maxroll wasn't that good and could've been improved

Bleed hammers scale way better in to late corruption than novadin, though.

Novadin starts to really fall off in high corruptions but is fantastic until then, extremely fast.

[vale ravine]

tbh once you know the ins and outs of a build, that's mostly true for msot of their planners. dont at me

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, for a lot of them, for sure.
Though some of them on Maxroll are super well designed and solid.

[peak girder]

So you just adapted the Paladin build and used some FG passives that would help?

Or is there a bleed FG build I'm not seeing

[vale ravine]

it's kinda funny because like I know their content creators actually know their stuff, and participating in the races even in LE but yet somehow with the builds it seems like they went quantity over quality

[sweet hazel]

Basically, there was a rework to instead do Forge Guard for Hammers now after the Forge Guard changes/buffs, it's better for hammers than Paladin is now UNLESS you're doing the smite-proc hammer build, paladin is better for that.

Introduction of the Razorfall boots actually spiked hammer throw in terms of end game viability (and Orian's Sun Seal)

[summer shell]

Orians sun seal is such a huge qol buff

[sweet hazel]

If you could also get a 2LP+ Oceanus ring and get it with throw damage/throw speed, replace the other exalted ring with that

[sweet hazel]

I absolutely love it. Since I use a 0 mana cost hammer build, it means I don't have to do any management.

[vale ravine]

i liked oce before but new oce is my wet dream

[sweet hazel]

I get ring of shields for free from blocking and sigils for free from orian's.

[summer shell]

Yep. By far the biggest hidden downside of it is that it basically says you have 50% less max mana lmao

[vale ravine]

like 2 LP Oce >> 1 LP red ring for me

[sweet hazel]

That was the other weird part to me about the maxroll Novadin guide, is that they didn't use mana cost reduction at all, and instead used Mana Starved Forging (can throw hammers at 0 or negative mana). But they also weren't using sun seal?

It just seemed like a terrible build that required way too much mana and buff management for overall net less dps

Use Enra's technique without the Orbit and you can have 0 mana cost hammers with all the other buffs and at least one ring with -4 mana cost.

[summer shell]

Yeah I'm with you. I think mana management is a terrible plate spinning mechanic that is against the zug farm nature of arpgs

[sweet hazel]

Same, lol. I also don't use volatile reversal despite it being such a powerful skill because I just don't like the playstyle or management involved with it.

[vale ravine]

if there is no friction to solve that's also kinda gutting an ARPG tho

[summer shell]

Agreed but that implies it's solvable

[sweet hazel]

I'm down with friction to solve it, I just like that we have the choice to do either.

[vale ravine]

i mean mana cost reduction on ring sounds like it can be solved 😄

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, unless you take the Orbit node like maxroll suggested, then your hammers will cost 4 mana regardless of your rings or nodes.

you do get 4% base crit chance though in exchange, but eh. I can do without that, 60% crit chance is enough lol

[vale ravine]

that's kinda the essence of LE captured in this dilemma imo. LE is basically "opportunity cost, the game"

[summer shell]

Yeah agreed that's awesome for throwing builds, tons of melee builds have super cringe mana requirements particularly on bosses where you just feel so bad when you're oom and ur base Regen is like 6 a sec

[sweet hazel]

lmao

[vale ravine]

you can do QoL, you can do more dam, you can go half half, up to you

[sweet hazel]

which I must call once again that Glacier Sorc just casually 10k ward face tanking pinnacle bosses, casting Glacier every 0.1s without running out of mana, totally balanced, lmao.

[summer shell]

What is the solve for melee mana rn from gear? Inc Regen is super weak

[vale ravine]

for ES, it is mana well for example

[summer shell]

That's a great mechanic that I think more builds should get

[vale ravine]

or void well or wtf is the name of the pasive

you could also shadow bacon if that's your jam. could also use some idols, there are some tools

[quiet hearth]

yo

[twin latch]

Hey all I’m new to the game and I have a question about devouring orb and the weapon shadow beacon. Does all of the nodes I take into the devouring orb skill tree apply to the devouring orbs the weapon creates for using erasing strike?

[vale ravine]

yo, i was telling you about it the other day but you wanted to scale phys pen 😄

[quiet hearth]

Oh I knew about it, and I still will

[vale ravine]

phys pen is nice but elemental DoT dam is a juiced affix

big fan of it

[quiet hearth]

I just specced into something I dont wanna respec into the dumb build again xD

[supple radish]

Any experienced builder can tell me if its possible to build a vible pure phys 2H strength stacker melee forge guard? Which melee skill would be good with it?

[summer shell]

Shield bash scales insanely well with str, 4% inc and 1% more on the tree but it's not 2h

Feels meaty tho

[supple radish]

Do I have to have the unique shield to work?

[summer shell]

Nah it doesn't have any needed mods just useful ones

U want the wep ASAP though big power spike

[peak girder]

Found a planner 😄 https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Dys-the-Fox/character/ShieldboyJerome

[supple radish]

But shield doesn't scale with Master of arms strength node tho, don't know if that is viable aswell

[quiet hearth]

it can be

[summer shell]

True lol, makes you wonder how that would play out

Hard to get block effectiveness but you also get a lot of flat from a 2h

[supple radish]

Oh yea, it can be

[summer shell]

Are there any good 2h physical warstaves

[quiet hearth]

the main issue with 2h skills is generally they arnet rive becomes the issue

[supple radish]

But how much mana hungry will it be?

[supple radish]

what do you mean?

[quiet hearth]

makes rive scale to the freakin moon

[summer shell]

That's a solid rec, build looks fun

[supple radish]

So rive is the best 2h skill?

[quiet hearth]

I dunno about the best but it's definitely top tier, especially considering it's just a base ability

[supple radish]

I can try that thanks, can you tell me some strong rive nodes?

[quiet hearth]

i literally gave you the strongest one lol, but the crit nodes are good, hell it's all just really good tbh

like legit the weakest node is the culling node

[supple radish]

Scrap metal worth it?

[peak girder]

yes

[night rock]

ok im not gonna give up on warpath smite, i will endure. my gear is still crummy, armor may be in a bad spot but spin2win is fun

[sterile latch]

Idk about best. Heard shield bash was stronger. U can check the maxroll tier list. Rive seems strong tho

[quiet hearth]

scrap metal is deceptively good

[peak girder]

I played a couple of different Rive builds last cycle, all involved cheesing Ward with Healing Hands, though

[summer shell]

We don't take kindly to ward players in sent chat

[peak girder]

But it was fun, love the Challenge node

[supple radish]

Is this decent for a strength stacker or iam out of my mind?

[quiet hearth]

lacerate is REALLY good when you have a lot of flat

oh wow, got both pieces of the shattered lance set in two tries

[summer shell]

Makes me wanna try rive now lol. Is there a void conversion for it

[quiet hearth]

not a conversion but it does have interactions, rive is neutral to dmg types really.

...someone stop me..I...I may be about to build something with two sets equipped

[peak girder]

I'm not sure if you'd go for both the Adrenaline and Focused Strike node

[winter copper]

its not good, it doesnt stack and doesnt crit

[sterile latch]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-dcuo-dc-universe-online-madman-gif-24910661

[winter copper]

i would remove the bottom 4/4 crit buff node they are awful and take pull+ more dmg for 3rd strike

[supple radish]

like this?

[outer hedge]

so is armor stacking thorn build meta?

[winter copper]

remove 1 pt from 3/3 and put it into pull on second strike

tbh just look up rive guide on maxrol its similar to wat you are doing but volca minmax it, you might find some ideas there

[quiet hearth]

it's not but it works

[winter copper]

its beyond garbage uplayable tier especially for pinnacle boss

[quiet hearth]

It's not remotely unplayable xD

[outer hedge]

ah ok just looking up 1.1 guide for forged weapons and this one stack armor and attunement along with MA and its reflect node based on attunement

[quiet hearth]

you're not doing pinnacle for sure but I did all monos and was at like 300 corruption last cycle

It's because the shield it uses needs attunement

[outer hedge]

yea just wondering..im trying out MA with whirlwind strike

[quiet hearth]

I think WW is still bugged

[outer hedge]

oh what wrong with it?

[quiet hearth]

I dont think the little dude is dmging things properly during the spin irrc

[winter copper]

it hits only 1 enemy

[outer hedge]

ah

[quiet hearth]

I would rock vengeance with it, that way you get the auto hits from it for some extra dps

[outer hedge]

with MA?

[quiet hearth]

no, MA doesnt really add anything

[outer hedge]

vengeance with what

[quiet hearth]

....the skill...vengeance, literally the thing you start with

[supple radish]

its wise to use healing hands melee trigger or its really not necessary?

[quiet hearth]

HH is a great thing if you're swinging alot

[turbid dome]

The melee trigger is great, but it doesn’t work with Warpath

[bleak breach]

that's something i'm scared of overlooking lol

is there a good dot build that takes advantage of time and faith node and crazy attack speed for giga mana and health regen

[turbid dome]

With warpath it’s easy to see cause it will only proc on the first hit of the channel

Ignite can stack forever

Same with bleed, FG is good with both I think

[bleak breach]

are all ailment stacks in this game with their own timers? like time rot i know the duration is per stack, not for every stack on the target

[turbid dome]

Not sure, I’d check the game guide

[quiet hearth]

I swear I killed 30 ruby commander ajanis in this mono

[turbid dome]

Keep murdering them

[quiet hearth]

formed from the blood of all those frackers

[turbid dome]

Yooooo

[bleak breach]

kill more to get a +5% and +30 one instead (jokes aside that's sick)

[quiet hearth]

I would but the mono is over

[bleak breach]

ailment info on the game guide doesnt seem to state the answer to my question, but a much easier way to tell is just asking ppl with dot experience lol, do the stacks ever count down or do they all go away at once

[summer shell]

4lp idol

[quiet hearth]

each stack is on it's own timer

[bleak breach]

😔

[quiet hearth]

swingandamiss.jpeg

[vale ravine]

feel you, im basically alone responsible for the market lacking 0.5% crit world splitters lol

[quiet hearth]

now THIS has some potential

[vale ravine]

no? 😄

[quiet hearth]

also Wasca, the dot gloves were a dps loss

[vale ravine]

have you gone all in on them tho

[quiet hearth]

?

[vale ravine]

ignit chance everywhere with ele dot damage everywhere

ye prob not the best in a mixed profile but ignite has some massive scalers you dont have for other dots

[bleak breach]

what gloves?

[quiet hearth]

yeah, but it just wasnt enough to beat out a third equally stacked dot, just because of the pen xD

[vale ravine]

ye i mean if you want to scale it with the baseline lame affixes ofc it wont be better, it has low base damage 😄 prob better on a 2H with bardiche

[quiet hearth]

what lame affixes? I scale it the same way I'd scale anything

[vale ravine]

with throne and ele dot damage solo fire dot could at some point prob overtake the combined profile of the multi dots is kinda the idea

yes, hence lame 😄

[quiet hearth]

Generally yes, but not in this set up, I have too much pen

[bleak breach]

TIL pen is just straight up more dmg, for some reason i kinda always read it as increased

[vale ravine]

where is ht pen coming from outside of atrophy? forgot about it

[quiet hearth]

I dont even have atrophy yet is the funny part XD

right now just conviction, but soon lethal strikes as well, also ruby fang axe gives 47% pen with melee hits

oh, and FS has built in bleed pent of100%

[vale ravine]

are you applying all of your bleeds with FS?

[turbid dome]

same is true against you if your res isn't capped (in an area of level 75 and up), don't ya just love math

[quiet hearth]

No, but it's 200% pen, and I swing fast enough with MS that Im FSing at least every 2s, the bleeds just go so fast

[vale ravine]

ye just thinking cause the ignite pen on the other end is global

i guess there is a breakpoint somewhere

[bleak breach]

i finished my last math course of my life last year at uni, i've had enough

[turbid dome]

1️⃣ ➕ 1️⃣

[bleak breach]

[quiet hearth]

Ruby fang also gives 15% increased poison and fire damage per block in the last few seconds

[vale ravine]

gut feeling is that rive igniting with 2H and maybe FS for the global buff and hubris and fire shoes and full focuse on ignite would end up being better overall but meh, too lazy to math lol

[quiet hearth]

well, 10s

[turbid dome]

how much ignite chance can you get on a twohander

[vale ravine]

that's nothing compared to 20% more from throne of ambition and ele dot affix, so we just need to find a comparable amount of pen for ignite then it's better by default

[quiet hearth]

it's 40% more, 2% per stack and 20 stacks

[vale ravine]

30% FS, 50% shred, 35% fiery dragon, 16% pally

guess could get 24% from judgement gloves but then no hubris

anyway. you do you, both oculd work prob, im biased towards Rive 😄

[quiet hearth]

For pure ignite maybe

does rives little node boost pen stats too?

[vale ravine]

dont think so

[quiet hearth]

me either, also engi LE tools says 50% but that cannot be right for 2h

[turbid dome]

did you check the scaling

[vale ravine]

no you can get some bonk application chance on 2hers

208%

[turbid dome]

2hander scaling for ignite chance, so with foe reaver thats up to 416%

[vale ravine]

so that's 416

[turbid dome]

ye

[vale ravine]

+150 from tree

you know what I think it is a build 😄

[quiet hearth]

2h ignite has been a thing

[sterile latch]

Man I'm disappointed. I thought swaddling's 17% more dmg applied to melee hits at high AND LOW health

[vale ravine]

ye i mean it is nothing new sure

[vale ravine]

you are laughing but it turns out that's how serpent strike actually works

[quiet hearth]

if only hammers scalled with attunement

[turbid dome]

also just to clarify, foe reaver only increases flat, % increase and aliment chance

side node doom is an aliment, we void gaming

[vale ravine]

lol

if only it wasnt capped at 5

[turbid dome]

isn't it capped at 4 doom

[vale ravine]

or 4 ye, 5% is the effect

[sterile latch]

weird. It's not even a spell

[turbid dome]

4!

it needs to have a base damage of 444 so it can be the 4 gang

[vale ravine]

i guess it's time for my afternoon coffee lol

[quiet hearth]

does the stun to dot dmg in FS also include chance to melee stun or just global?

[stuck horizon]

Anyone playing smite warpath with the new sword?

[vale ravine]

palarus?

[quiet hearth]

im about to try something stupid, wish me luck

[vale ravine]

i mean if you want stupid this is prob better stupid? 😄

on the account of being L16 LP potential

[quiet hearth]

lot of wasted stats on those gloves

[vale ravine]

welllllllll... it is more like "you get some attunement or fire pen for free with your 3 LP"

[quiet hearth]

3lp yeah right XD

[vale ravine]

16 potential. 3 LP is 2% baseline lol

[quiet hearth]

speaking of lp though

[vale ravine]

like 4 LP is possible even

[quiet hearth]

You'd win the lotto before 4lp

[stuck horizon]

Yea

[vale ravine]

like it's this common lol

[sterile latch]

Guys my forged weapons keep killing enemies too quickly so I can't hit enemies with multistrike or forged strike to summon more. How do I do less damage?

[quiet hearth]

and you still need to get the items to xfer the affixes and its a crapshoot

[vale ravine]

it's fiiiiineeee. you jsut farm another one 😄

[quiet hearth]

I mean Im not saying you're wrong here XD

[vale ravine]

or well, you know, buy

[quiet hearth]

this is your ignite rive wpn

the base that is

[vale ravine]

ohmm, not necessarily

i guess it depends on how much pen you have already but bardiche is giga

i think implicit is also doubled by Rive node

but ye if you dont do hubris then you prob go with that and hands of judgement

[vale ravine]

so based on this probably not many are playing it lol

im legit just vendoring them

[quiet hearth]

atrophy is the end game I think for this triple set up

[vale ravine]

or salt maybe, but at some point you really need to calculate a damage profile 😄

[quiet hearth]

salt is up there too, since I will be getting some crit multi to get that last bit of pen, but F that. I go by how the build feels

[vale ravine]

atrophy has a decent chance for LP2 so there is that

[quiet hearth]

I have an egg and nothign good to put in it

they should let us put set items in these

[vale ravine]

bruh

[quiet hearth]

this is why I hate markets

[vale ravine]

like somebody legit destroyed a page worth of LP2 splitters to shill his giga bad roll roflmao

so i guess im rolling nemesises for the next two months kekw

[quiet hearth]

fml, it was rotsteel

[solid sedge]

I heard there was a gold dupe bug and someone created several billion gold. so the prices on the market are busted

[vale ravine]

i was 100% thinking exactly this yesterday lol. glad to hear im not crazy

[quiet hearth]

someone was in here earlier asking how to do it lol

[vale ravine]

classic lol

[sterile latch]

in this economy?

[vale ravine]

did they patch it tho, or should i just reroll to maws

[sterile latch]

idk how it works tbh

[quiet hearth]

dont share it, that'll get you banned

[solid sedge]

idk

[vale ravine]

so based on redit, no lol

nemesising it is

i love how people are saying "just wait until the market recovers lol season is 4 months lols" yes but in case you didnt notice the supply isnt exactly the same all thrughout the season.... so this is kinda bad

[slate creek]

ive been dualwielding palarus and so far its been very mid.

[stuck horizon]

oh wow thats crazy, I dropped a 3LP in COF and got so hyped

[winter copper]

dont dual wield that, use firestarter+devotion+palarus and warpath

[stuck horizon]

no shot they go for so cheap in MG haha

[quiet hearth]

this should have been str based

[vale ravine]

the 3/s is kinda bad

[stuck horizon]

Is firestarter really a better option than a juiced up exalted sceptre? I am currently using a firestarter, but I feel like the flat spell dmg from an implicit could be better

[winter copper]

if you are warpathing and using devotion yes

[stuck horizon]

Yea this is the one I dropped, the 3/s is pretty good

[slate creek]

ive been doing rive+healing hand melee to proc the smites

[stuck horizon]

But why? Why does it automatically become better than an exalted sceptre

Not saying youre wrong, jsut trying to understand. Missing out on 60 flat seems quite impactful