🔱┃sentinel

[waxen nymph]

More on par
Seems to have a few good builds

[obtuse perch]

....We need some kind of bot command for every time someone comes here to ask about forge guard.

[random python]

Can glyph of envy give drop only affixes turning a blue item into a purple one?........ I just answered my own question huh. :/

[obtuse perch]

The base damage nerf would logically be a counterbalance to all the other buffs, otherwise it wouldn't be there.

Either way I wonder why people don't just take all the Forge Guard players at their word.

Is FG good?
FG player: Yes
But the nerfs though?

Like why even ask?

[fluid sparrow]

Anyone knows why ... ingame stalwart states 5%, but patch notes said 10%? Did I miss an extra edit-note? Or only visually wrong?

[waxen nymph]

Might be a typo, not sure where though

[fluid sparrow]

i iwll try to test it which is right

[simple raven]

i got 4903 armor. 1 stack gives me 5038

[waxen nymph]

How much Flat do you have? How much Increase do you have?

[polar spire]

While i love that i can get uniques from anything, the fact that breaking a wooden chair dropped a unique is going to break my mind

[simple raven]

is my base. getting hit once puts me to 5500 first, then 4s later it goes to 5038. 6s later it drops back to 4903. goes to 5500 first due to "battle hardened" passive, thus it drops after 4s

[fluid sparrow]

asked the dev channel as well, can't hurt, not that it makes big difference, but just to know

[simple raven]

1 pic: base armor
2nd pic: Armor with 1 stack stalwart and "battle hardened" passive
3rd pic: armor with 1 stack stalwart and after battle hardened passive ran out

[fluid sparrow]

(And used search on most channels, couldn't find anyone else asking it anwyay)

[obtuse rock]

How many other sources of % increased armor do you have

[fluid sparrow]

Yeah cuz increased is always on the base, meaning if you have 100 base, and it increases to 110 with stalwart... that would mean 10%
But if you got 100 base, another 50% increased from somewhere else, you would see 150, and with stalwart => 160.

[simple raven]

i will finish this mono and take away my battle hardened passive and quickly test again

"It's 5% increased armour for 10 seconds and stacks 10 times" "patch notes are wrong" from Cyborgwars in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

no need to respec then 😄
pity, my thorns scale to a certain degree with my armor -_-

[fluid sparrow]

Yup i saw

[obtuse perch]

If I had a super valuable object I'd find the best possible place to hide it.

Nobody would think to look inside of a chair.

[polar spire]

Im enjoying leveling as my classic multistrike/forgestrike
As much as i love rive, im lvl 21 and forge strikes tooltip dps is at 6700

[jade rover]

Hey, Anyone know if this node is working as intended ? I cant stack the debuff with any of my melee hits

[polar spire]

Ahahahahahah i found a 2h bleed axe with attack speed, bleed on hit, and % stun. Slammed on phys and whew im set for the next 50 levels

All perfect stats for forge strike bleed

[scenic gyro]

This is purely subjective but I wasn't sure if I was triggering that at all on my Warpath build
Seems like I'm not the only one

[polar spire]

It works, just been a long time bug that you cant see it for sh*t

[jade cedar]

is it just me or are harbingers tanky af

[simple raven]

harbringers are the end boss though xD

[obtuse perch]

Harbingers are the precursor to the pinnacle boss.

Also like

I always tend to play my own little scuffed builds.

But given how easily I completely vaporized majasa this Forge Guard build I'm using has to have some merit.

[polar spire]

Forge guards were actually disgusting BEFORE this rework, hell even before HH existed, with the addition of HH and this rework they're even BETTER

[untold sky]

Does anyone know what counts as a guaranteed stun for shield bash? I am getting no procs with incinerating blows for ignite 😦

[polar spire]

if you moderately knew how to theorycraft, FG's were gross af, you just didnt play them as pet builds. They were amazing bleeders

[obtuse perch]

I'm playing it as a pet build though.

[untold sky]

I am trying to make my dual shield build a reality ;3

[polar spire]

The guaranteed stun is on shield bash baseline, if you went 0 cd spammable shield bash, that guaranteed gets removed

[untold sky]

Ah okay that makes sense thanks

[obtuse perch]

A guaranteed stun means it always stuns.

[simple raven]

Do u have flurry of blows node? the one that gives u no CD on shield bash
Flurry of blows remove the guarenteed stun

[obtuse perch]

Some nodes remove the guaranteed stun in exchange for some other effect.

[polar spire]

Honestly the increased cooldown needed to happen to shield bash, if they hadnt had done that, a single sentinel building cdr and stun duration wouldve been able to perma stunlock the harbingers
Now instead you can go in with 4 sentinels and permastun a harbinger! >:D

[obtuse perch]

One gives 300 ignite instead of guaranteed stun, another removes the cooldown, but you won't get guaranteed stun OR the ignite.

[sterile latch]

Sweet leveling scythe to pair with my hat 🙂

[polar spire]

If you do run cooldown shield bash, the crit node on far left is fantastic for one shot builds like judgement, you just casually tack on a free 20% bonus crit

Too bad 1 shot judgement got nerfed though, i'll miss the 80 milliom crits 😦

[polar spire]

Ouch

[untold sky]

I am going a fire build that will be using monument of protection and sigeons repraisal

[polar spire]

If it were at least normal stun and not melee stun, i'd run it on forge strike since forge strike gets a dot damage increase by 1% for every 1% normal non melee stun chance

[sterile latch]

Eh, my golem gets 340% of the stats on the hat with 80% increased necrotic dmg

[untold sky]

I am trying to make my dreams a reality

[sterile latch]

So now golem stuns a lot more whicih is probably helping with survivability more than I'd like to admit

[polar spire]

Thats what, the axe and the shield throw shield?

[untold sky]

Yup

[polar spire]

Did you take the bottom shield bash node that makes shield throw get extra richochets?

[untold sky]

yup

now I just need to find sigeons reprisal lol

[polar spire]

If you run it as a dot build, you can. Just tack on the lava burst on shield throw as an additional hit for dots, smite on throw idols, and then you've got shield bash dots too

[untold sky]

I use them but not for dots

[polar spire]

Or, and hear me out, you drop the shield throw and shield bash and run shield rush, get lifesteal, take the far right top node in shield rush, and break your finger spamming the absolute crap out of shield rush on an enemy

[untold sky]

lol

[polar spire]

Its the biggest and strongest dot stacker in the game. But you can also run it as a pretty high critter now

Actually no wait, bee rogue stacks the most and the fastest

[untold sky]

I think you misunderstand my dream

[polar spire]

Oh i understand it, i made a shield bash 2h build ages ago

[untold sky]

Fire is the by product of my dream

[polar spire]

Going for that strength scalin
Got shield bash up to 2 mill crits.

Hmmmm, run crap loads of cdr, double charge shield bash?

[untold sky]

The primary goal of my build is go crazy on sigeons reprisal

[obtuse perch]

I think I should just...

[untold sky]

I am a filthy casual of only 400 hours so still much to guess.

[polar spire]

If you want the absolute craziest of sigeons, run with a primalist spriggan druid buddy, they can spam you with thorn shields that skyrocket the damage reflect scaling on the shield

If you wanna watch your entire mana bar go extremely far into the negatives, you can run shield throw with lava burst procs and smite procs, go high crit, and then run meteor belt

Ive seen my mana bar go like -100 before lmao

[untold sky]

lol

My builds fairly boring: healing hands, shield bash, shield throw, sigils of hope, ring of shields

[polar spire]

God sigils

[obtuse perch]

140 here

[polar spire]

Ive run sigils as a dps build before, with the explosions on the far right. You ran the instant cast sigils, and then shield rush down a map while spam exploding sigils

Hit n run bomber

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEMRZJgB

Here's my current actual FG fresh out of campaign.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 59

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1b

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (47)

General:

▸ Health: 984, Regen: 21/s
▸ Mana: 171, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 30 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 68% / 80% / 85% / 78% / 56% / 71%
▸ EHP: 2,314 / 2,142 / 2,314 / 2,766 / 2,314 / 1,894 / 2,215

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 239
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (65)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (1,572)
▸ Block Chance: 37%, Mitigation: 34% (569)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (21)
• Multistrike (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Arboreal Circuit

[untold sky]

Been at this game since early days. DO one character vanish lol

[simple raven]

i wish thorns went through boss wards xD

[polar spire]

I think a little over 6000 here now

[ancient bridge]

For erasing strike is it bonking high?

[obtuse perch]

Been playing since launch.

Why are some damage types in the summary underlined and others not?

[simple raven]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7xRNwOo my current build

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1b

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (66) / Paladin (11)

General:

▸ Health: 1,767, Regen: 41/s
▸ Mana: 241, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 42 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 58 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 113% / 87% / 81% / 84% / 81% / 108%
▸ EHP: 5,876 / 5,876 / 5,876 / 9,662 / 5,876 / 5,876 / 5,876

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 353
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,442)
▸ Block Chance: 47%, Mitigation: 50% (1,791)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Vengeance (21)
• Rebuke (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Lunge (21)
• Shield Bash (21)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection
• Thornshell
• Font of the Erased
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[simple raven]

defensive stats when im actually hitting stuff + the 25% DR from vengance

[obtuse perch]

Considering all the mistrust towards FG, it's good to see many live players of it.

[turbid dome]

Now add rebuke and tank a 2000 corruption bosses big slam attack

[obtuse perch]

I have this feeling of possibly actually pushing corruption with this character.

[simple raven]

i do have rebuke 😉

[obtuse perch]

I might actually gasp go over 120.

[turbid dome]

[simple raven]

im about to enter empowered. been a bit slow coz i spent many hours in black sun w/prophecies to hunt down thornshell shield

[turbid dome]

Bruh I’m almost to empowered and I keep forgetting to upgrade my gloves, act 2 gloves ftw

[polar spire]

I mean yea basically
I still remember launch when that big ol emp of corpses dragon they made his arena smaller but forgot to make his breath aoe smaller so he hit the whole arena and people were stuck on him cause they'd get 1 shot
And i sat here like PUT THE REBUKE ON YOUR BAR YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO SKILL IT
People did that and actually were able to pass it

[turbid dome]

Yee + rebuke is another safety button against Lagon.

Especially with the less ele dmg node in its tree. The divine toddler couldn’t do anything

Rebuke isn’t flashy, but it’s a damn workhorse of a skill, that also helps you have better melee damage uptime

[obtuse perch]

My defense against Lagon is just uh...

[polar spire]

The best part about rebuke
Is its also a spell
Ive done a rebuke spellcaster before
actually works really well lmfao

[obtuse perch]

Good question I just don't think I have one. In campaign I just kind of... Walked through it to the other side.

[simple raven]

just really annoys me that tick dmg from cone attacks (like breaths etc) does not trigger thorns 😢

[obtuse perch]

Because it's not a hit right?

It's DoT.

[turbid dome]

Yeah fighting monos Lagon with 57% lightning res was fun

[hot basin]

How many echos you have on erasing strike?

[simple raven]

but there is 0 debuffs on me. annoying xD

[cosmic ivy]

1

[quiet hearth]

someone make a note of this persons bravery

[hot basin]

Dam, I guess you need mana on everything for endless bonks

[quiet hearth]

you really dont need it for most packs, just dumping ability for bosses

[turbid dome]

From when I did it last night, still deathless 👍

Can’t wait to fight empowered Lagon

[hot basin]

Yep, but high corruption bosses require many bonks? Not sure how well VK damage scales, I played marksman last cycle

[quiet hearth]

I will eventually be scaling LR for uzils chestpiece for eternal forge strike, and VK dmg gets pretty nutty

[turbid dome]

You can replace VK with “pure damage scaling” and have most sentences work

[hot basin]

I see 😅

[turbid dome]

Echos? Chance to double your damage

Vitality for some health? That but also more damage

Blocking? Nah 100% increased damage

Etc.

[ebon patrol]

damn near one cycled lagon in the campaign while fairly underleveled using very mid gear and not even a fully specced build. minions are pretty cracked

[obtuse perch]

The debuff is you standing in the fire.

[simple raven]

that moment when u run into boss mechanics because u found out it procs thorns 😄 lightning mines on "last ruin" end boss xD

[polar spire]

Before the FG rework i'd agree, but post FG rework when FG's can get up to 1500% crit multi now, im not so sure

[twin torrent]

Played my first time vk and omg warpath echo vk is so much fun keep on spinning keep on spinning 🤣

[junior plank]

how did it get nerfed? I was actually thinking of trying to make a on hit judgement build

[turbid dome]

How are you getting that much crit multi?

[polar spire]

The main catalyst of eating your entire mana pool for damage got super nerfed. Though one shot nukers prefer high attune more, and its the aoe aura judgers that like the mana eat, but it got super nerfed down

[polar spire]

Actually now that i look again at where its placed, i guess vk's can do it too, but that new crit multi per str node, its a more modifier on your crit multi, not an increased. So if you stack 100+ str, holy sweet jeebus

[simple raven]

alright, moment of truth. lets see how my FG does in empowered monos 😄

[junior plank]

what would you recommend of someone trying to make a one shot build then? Forge strike? the damage scaling on that one is 500%

[turbid dome]

It being a more multiplier for your crit multi was a typo

[twin torrent]

Ooh one question i do have is it really intended that with shield rush u can just run forever in 1 direction at a very fast rate like that it seems broken almost to move so quickly across the maps

[obtuse perch]

I'd like to know. Strength stacking can only be part of it.

[polar spire]

Even then they'd still get beyond 1000% pretty easily

But i guess vk's can too

[obtuse perch]

It's easy to check, just look at your in-game crit multi.

[turbid dome]

Yeah but by that logic VK can too given void corruption alone gives more until your at like 150+ strength

[polar spire]

Oh im still levelin, that was me messin on le tools earlier looking at all the new gear

[obtuse perch]

LE tools right now isn't accurate about that passive node I don't think.

[polar spire]

Though, however, i am lvl 25 on first character with a 9000 dps forge strike

[obtuse perch]

Also weren't you bleeding?

[quiet hearth]

you can get like 300 just from tree and 2h wpn

[polar spire]

Yea, playing bleed forge strike

[sterile latch]

My forge weapon FG, level 50 https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdKYLGeA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1b

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (66) / Paladin (11)

General:

▸ Health: 1,767, Regen: 41/s
▸ Mana: 241, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 42 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 58 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 113% / 87% / 81% / 84% / 81% / 108%
▸ EHP: 5,876 / 5,876 / 5,876 / 9,662 / 5,876 / 5,876 / 5,876

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 353
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,442)
▸ Block Chance: 47%, Mitigation: 50% (1,791)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Vengeance (21)
• Rebuke (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Lunge (21)
• Shield Bash (21)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection
• Thornshell
• Font of the Erased
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[turbid dome]

Yeah big bonk is in, especially with the boss ward bursts instead of them getting damage reduction

[polar spire]

If you play spinny warpath or rive fg with either of them spitting out forged weapons, and then take the top right ward forge strike node, they'll grant their ward gen no matter where you're at on the map. Thats been a fun bug for years.

[turbid dome]

Speaking of that, if a boss has 80% health left and he just dies, did I bypass its ward bursts? (This was on a rime guard nemisus)

[polar spire]

Was it an armor shred build? Armor shred builds are hilarious. The boss is slowly whittling down health, hits 60-80% then immediately dies

[obtuse perch]

It says 85 shield bash

[ancient bridge]

What build are you bonking with?

[turbid dome]

Hit twice with void cleave to give 10 void shred + 12 time rot -> did one erasing strike -> it went to 80% hp -> echo does erasing strike -> it died

[obtuse perch]

Logic would assume you can pre empt a ward phase because a dead boss can't gain ward.

[polar spire]

Do you have the gear and affixes/idols that grant bonus echo damage?

[turbid dome]

That makes sense, especially cause if you do a small hit it will be at say 74% hp with the ward

[sterile latch]

oops I copied the other guy's with the new shield axe. This is mine: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdKYLGeA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 50

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1b

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (40) / Paladin (1)

General:

▸ Health: 669, Regen: 16/s
▸ Mana: 134, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 0 Dex / 10 Int / 0 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 91% / 73% / 104% / 66% / 76% / 58%
▸ EHP: 1,356 / 1,356 / 1,327 / 1,539 / 1,272 / 1,393 / 1,108

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 134
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (5)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (920)
▸ Block Chance: 6%, Mitigation: 24% (180)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smelter's Wrath (20)
• Rive (20)
• Forge Strike (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Bone Harvester
• Orian's Sun Seal

[turbid dome]

Not yet

[quiet hearth]

this triple dot scaling is hilarious

[polar spire]

Funny thing about smelters wrath that it doesnt tell you unless you look, is that it gives you 100% more armor while channeling and you can get into the 10's of thousands of armor while using smelters

[turbid dome]

Cooldown erasing strike + void cleave + rive, with a side of rebuke and lunge

[ancient bridge]

Triple dot?

[turbid dome]

Have they made the smelters wrath animation better, than just standing there while a triangle appears on the ground

[obtuse perch]

I didn't even know you could use Rive as a FW generator. How effective is it?

[quiet hearth]

so, because FG gets so many phys and fire pen and bleed and ignite stuff, Im using the ruby fang set and scaling poison along with it

[sterile latch]

It's mostly there for bosses. Forge strike seems to make the majority on clumps of units the golem didn't kill

[polar spire]

This nemesis stuff is hilarious, didnt realize it till a bit ago but if you double empower, even as low as the lvl 20's levels, the weapons it gives can have crazy stacked forging potential. I got a 68 potential 2h axe, ripped all the affixes off it, its still at 60

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[obtuse perch]

Is the FW chance per enemy hit?

[sterile latch]

Nemesis is kinda nice to me. Wonder if this could be useful since 30% dr on fire/lightning/cold is kinda good

[sterile latch]

yeah but elites don't stack much. U need to kill mobs with it

[turbid dome]

Plus hitting a decent sealed affix (which can become exalted) is slightly cursed, while having 60+ forging potential

[bleak breach]

would y'all recommend the last epoch tool filter wizard? or is it gonna skip some important stuff

[simple raven]

Admiral Harton is my spirit animal. "Break yourself upon my body" ❤️

[polar spire]

Yea this one sealed T4 melee attack speed, which im slightly miffed about cause i'd rather have it T5, but thats fine

[obtuse perch]

Here is my minion bonanza build if you want to see what I did. @sterile latch

[turbid dome]

Hey still a bis seal before this update @polar spire

[quiet hearth]

can rive get the fire tag?

[turbid dome]

Only phys, you can double the added fire damage and increase fire damage of your twohander tho

[obtuse perch]

It can get added fire damage but not the tag I don't think.

[quiet hearth]

I need a fire skill to spam but only multistrike can auto proc FS

[obtuse perch]

It can actually be a very mean ignite skill if you remove third strike.

[turbid dome]

Get a bunch of dot chance on your two handed weapon -> get foe cleaver -> have twice the dot chance from your weapon

[obtuse perch]

Forge guard surprisingly doesn't really get fire skills.

[quiet hearth]

Im using the ruby fang set believe it or not

[turbid dome]

Tho that kills the triple dot

[obtuse perch]

Other than SW.

[sterile latch]

yeah I took a look. I prefer flat dmg on weapon since I can get increased from other gear and increased minion might roll higher? not sure

[quiet hearth]

FG gets a lot actually, just there arent good options for a zero cost fire skill

[polar spire]

What about my classic javelin forge strike?

[turbid dome]

Dude simply likes making armor that may or may not be alive

[obtuse perch]

Oh I run DoT.

[quiet hearth]

Im scaling the dot not the hit sadly

[sterile latch]

ah the ignite chance and stuff makes sense

[polar spire]

Javelin has a bottom node that reduces mana cost of next melee by 25, and causes forge strike to do 60% more damage

So you just jav, fs, jav, fs repeat

[quiet hearth]

mana isnt an issue because of time and faith

[obtuse perch]

Back when I just got FS I had like T1 ignite chance on weapon and the ignites were stacking like mad already.

[polar spire]

Theres always 0 cd fs with volatile reversal as well

[turbid dome]

The new time and faith is so much fun with a big health pool, yes let me rive here and not hit anything to heal

[polar spire]

Oh i can imagine one of my all time fave builds was 8000 health sentinel with missing health heal lunge + idols

[quiet hearth]

FS isnt the focus, it's the dots, Im just triggering it for the detonating ground and some extra boss dps. And time and faith is good period. I only have a like 1k hp pool and between that and HH Im essentially immortal

[turbid dome]

Dude simply has faith in him self and his wounds go away.

Self care op

[quiet hearth]

so far the only thing I fear still are LIGHTMAGES

[polar spire]

The osprix ones?

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, those things deal way too much damage for how often they can cast that

[polar spire]

:D

[turbid dome]

The meteor guys or the ground circle boom guys

[obtuse perch]

It's just fun to see my minions just swarming rares and having them be dead before I even get there.

[quiet hearth]

circle boom guys, the meteor guys are only rough in packs

[polar spire]

I'd say my most hated enemy has always been the explosive spear chuckin beetle riders out in the desert

[turbid dome]

Ah

[obtuse perch]

DoTs are surprisingly fast at killing if you stack enough.

[polar spire]

When the spear chucker beetle riders first came out they were way overtuned and would cod snipe your a*s a mile away

[polar spire]

Bee rogues go brrr

[obtuse perch]

Swords swarm around like bees lol

[turbid dome]

While I’m happy the void armor enemy got buffed drop and xp wise, I’m still always sad when there’s like 10 of them

[obtuse perch]

Bosses also seem to just die when I press the VR button lol.

[polar spire]

I will always love the fact that bee rogues can have more minions than necromancers
I mean sure they're bee's and they dont have a skill tree, but rogue's 200+ bee's vs necro's army of what, 20?

[obtuse perch]

I am also grateful for the minion attack key.

Sometimes I kinda want them to stop running off to attract more enemies lol.

So being able to literally order them to move with me is good.

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

Im wondering if I should drop the FS gimmic, but it's so funny to watch it drop put on like 10 of each stack, then detonate and add another 10

[turbid dome]

Is it killing stuff?

[quiet hearth]

It is, just because FS having that innate 20% pen is insanity

[turbid dome]

Then why call it a gimmick?

If it’s stupid but it works it’s not stupid

[quiet hearth]

because Im not in empowered yet, so it's a gimmic, now if it works when I get to those I know it's real

[turbid dome]

Fair enough

[quiet hearth]

but Im kinda stuck grinding because I have been hella unlucky with equipment

[vagrant bone]

jesus i gotta get my spell leach

[hollow spindle]

What's the highest WW can go? never seen a 20 before.

[quiet hearth]

28, enough for 4 t7s

I need salt the wound gloves

[hot basin]

Has anyone seen 28 WW?

[turbid dome]

The game guide explicitly says 28 WW, it’s probably rare as hell for a raw drop. I wonder if the nemisus will make it more common to get

[quiet hearth]

21 is the highest Ive personally seen

[turbid dome]

There was a good amount of 23s on the merchant guild last cycle

Not sure what it looked like near the end of the cycle tho

[faint solstice]

Is there a good Void Knight hammer build?

[turbid dome]

Perma bonk es?

[quiet hearth]

I think they mean hammer throw

[polar spire]

Honestly you can prob spin your cursor around your screen while clicking with your eyes closed and make a good vk hammer build

[faint solstice]

lmao alright

[turbid dome]

Darn

[polar spire]

All i know is the bottom right middle node is valued by many

[quiet hearth]

your orbit base crit?

[polar spire]

The 0 mana one

[quiet hearth]

I never ran out of mana but I definitely see that being useful

[faint solstice]

Gotcha ill see if I can make something then thank you

[polar spire]

If not, hammer throw builds are dime a dozen on sentinel and you can prob search it up on youtube and find more results than any other last epoch build

[quiet hearth]

im being taunted

[cosmic ivy]

im so lucky

[polar spire]

I love how both got their crit builds nerfed this patch, and then you get that

[polar spire]

Hey thats pretty hot, my first weavers will was the gloves with a 7
You wanna know what it turned into? T7 necrotic resist

[quiet hearth]

I mean, could be worse

[polar spire]

If it turned into T7 stun chance oh god yes

You probably wont meet anyone who gets as hyped for stun chance as i do

[quiet hearth]

even that, then you go forge strike and turn it into dot multi

[cerulean sorrel]

yo, anyone doing Forged Weapons DoT based out there care to share your knowledge with me?

[polar spire]

Yup, before launch, 8-10 mill bleed pops via forge strike and abyssal echoes was my OG build

Too bad im not staying forge strike, im just leveling as it this time around

[quiet hearth]

Im wondering if maehlins hubris is better overall than stw

[turbid dome]

Good question

[nimble mantle]

What's a good way of getting Apathy's Maw?

[turbid dome]

@nimble mantle

I completely misread your question, just murder the shade at 100+ corruption

[nimble mantle]

Hahahaha

[turbid dome]

[nimble mantle]

That was still informative tho!

[spice folio]

Hey engi, what do you think about the new World Splitter with no cd Erasing Strike?

[turbid dome]

It’s probably good, I don’t have one so I can’t try it out

Just need a lot of mana to sustain it with void essences

[waxen nymph]

Yes, and higher Corruption + Further Shades + Increase Rarity means more Chance to get it and with lp too

[spice folio]

I'm building towards it now, and I was thinking around 700~ mana, I wanted to ask before I commit any resources to it

[turbid dome]

It having like -80 flat void damage compare to apathy’s is a big downside

It should be good and playable but each bonk will be weaker than an apathy’s bonk

But your also bonking constantly with a huge AOE and you don’t need to void cleave to get a crit

[quiet hearth]

I think salt the wound wins out in the end, even with just a high roll on the multi on the gloves, that's still like 15 pen, and if you get to the multi node in FG that's another easy 20 pen, so you'd sit around like...50% pen for fire, phys, and poison, not counting the skills you use

[cosmic ibex]

anyone watch aarons build for minion forge guard? im wondering why he didnt convert his warpath to fire in his build guide...seems to make the most sense and be easier to scale since your minions deal fire melee damage

[waxen nymph]

Havent seen it but he is probably not scaling his own dmg only his minions

[spice folio]

compared to Apathy I think it'll lack a bit of damage, but hopefully I can bring it up with crit multi. one more thing worrying me other than mana, is the amount of points spent on making ES cost more mana

[turbid dome]

Your already next to one in the crit multi corner of ES, then theres the %increase in the bottom right

The guaranteed echo node doesn’t increase the skills cost it consumes mana

Also avatar of regret

[spice folio]

ye these are the ones I'm going for. I had to spec into the echo node to get the no CD node as well. Hopefully it'll work out and I wont spend the next week just tweaking it. Also thinking of putting some points into FG tree for the +0.5% more damage per mana cost

100% crit, tons of crit multi, high mana and big area. Hopefully it'll be able to sustain itself against bosses not just groups

[turbid dome]

you can do this with a lvl 20 ES, then as you get levels from gear grab the crit multi

this gets the no cooldown and both mana cost nodes and the void essence on crit node for mana sustain

[quiet hearth]

no wait...I can scale 4 dots

[nimble mantle]

What's the general idea of the usage of Volatile Reversal? Meant to buff you right, or is it a 'panic' button. Just stand at the boss, use it, get buff, smack DPS?

[quiet hearth]

the meme build grows

[waxen nymph]

Increase Dmg Taken + AS + MS + sometimes Mana

[spice folio]

I was thinking of getting +6 in ES, and get the Time Rot node instead of the crit multi one. It will also change the 190% bleed chance in World splitter to rot chance

[quiet hearth]

now I gotta figure out how to get time rot onto this buid

[turbid dome]

That works, then you can either bonk away or use void cleave to stack up the rot quickly

[waxen nymph]

Vk passives ?

[marble forge]

does Future Strike stack beyond 100% chance to apply?

[waxen nymph]

What about Doom ?

[turbid dome]

Draven is a forge guard, their trying to stack all the dots

[waxen nymph]

Yes, like any other ailment
150% gives you 1 garanteed stack and 50% for another one

[spice folio]

oh are there alternatives to cleave or is it a must in the build?

[marble forge]

cool, had to ask the instant i saw a way to go past 100%

[quiet hearth]

is there a way to auto trigger abyssal echoes?

[turbid dome]

With infinite bonk you can do whatever you want other skill wise, just suggested cleave because it can apply 5 void shred and 5 time rot on hit guaranteed

[spice folio]

it did seem like the best option, 5 armor shred, and proc abyssal echoes for a slow

[waxen nymph]

There is a Unique Spear or a node in Warpath

[quiet hearth]

could drop FS and MS and use warpath and abyssal

[potent remnant]

guys, there was a way to convert bleed into ignite for forge guard. how can I find it? or what uniq can make it?

[waxen nymph]

Maehlin Hubris

[quiet hearth]

there is a unique gloves that do just that

[wind jungle]

Hey guys, quick question about Phantom Grip & Maehlin's Hubris - does the conversion work on forged weapons? And would it be converted twice (if you have 2 perfect Phantom Grips)?

[waxen nymph]

Yes and no

[wind jungle]

Thanks

[nimble mantle]

Any tips on what prophecies (weapons, gear, accessory's) to focus on as Void Knight if you are CoF?

[wind jungle]

But is it any viable? ^^

[waxen nymph]

What do you need is the big question ?

[waxen nymph]

Very much so

[sterile latch]

Do phantom grips stack?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[turbid dome]

Beyond whatever your build is looking for, exalted two handed axes is always nice. Same with really any exalted gear that aren’t weapons

[nimble mantle]

Pretty much everything. I just dinged 70, i'm on the beginning of starting to gear up.

[spice folio]

thanks engi, appreciate the thoughts

[turbid dome]

[quiet hearth]

this is madness

[sterile latch]

No this is Eterra!

[turbid dome]

No my echos say I’m sane

[quiet hearth]

no I meant what Im doing, even the voices wont talk to me now

[cursive compass]

Man, rive alone feels so bad :/

nerfed, didn't even give void tag

[dense willow]

Before i commit to a build that might be a waste of time, by my maths, Alarms strength stacking smite at 100 strength gets 50 flat damage, vs my old mana stalking devotion version at 800 mana would get 160. Is there even much point going for a strength version save for it being tankier, but half the flat? Even going devotion anyway for strength stacking still doesn't reach that flat number at all

[quiet hearth]

wait, the atrophy gloves give global pen

[vernal scroll]

What are for now the most promising build on VK ? Warpath and Erasing strike ?

[quiet hearth]

warpath is good, but ES is just satisfying

[vernal scroll]

ES + Cleave between packs sound fun, dunno if it scales well and how bossing seems to be

[quiet hearth]

this is so dumb, someone stop me

[crisp ice]

For sheild bash what shield do people use before getting the one from the dragon boss? I've been using grim constitution but was wondering if there is a better one.

[turbid dome]

ES + cleave scales great, tho it does end up being apathy’s maw or bust

[vernal scroll]

Better than Warpath ? Is it for now the most promising build for VK ?

[turbid dome]

idk if it’s better than warpath vk (haven’t played that since the runes of power update)

Some hammer throw thing is probably the best because you don’t have to be in melee range

But big bonk makes my brain happy

[vernal scroll]

Sadge, hate the hammers

[turbid dome]

Play what you want to play and have fun with it

[vernal scroll]

But bonks are yummy

[turbid dome]

Hell with es + cleave I killed monos Lagon with crummy gear. Vitality stacking is easy and strong 💪 (tho I’m not really at the pure stacking part yet, I need more levels to put on a terror crown)

[vernal scroll]

destroyed him with a poor Warpath build an hour ago too, but i thing monos 100 corrupts are not representativ of a build capabilities

Thanks man anyway !

[turbid dome]

True, do you want the rough build plan I made? (This image is with half my gear being from before act 5)

[vernal scroll]

I have one theorical already, Battlaxe just made a video about it, that's how i heard the build existed haha

[turbid dome]

Fair enough

[vernal scroll]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5x354vQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (63) / Forge Guard (25)

General:

▸ Health: 3,405, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,199, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 38 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 50% / 68% / 77% / 89% / 65% / 70% / 68%
▸ EHP: 8,812 / 9,844 / 9,638 / 13,843 / 8,812 / 9,179 / 9,008

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 681
▸ Armor Mitigation: 59% (4,273)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Titan Heart
• Shattered Chains
• Siphon of Anguish
• Suloron's Step
• Orian's Eye

[nimble mantle]

Nice! Got these from Nemesis.

[turbid dome]

Only thought with that is you might want some more vitality

[polar spire]

Unique spear, warpath, void cleave, annnnnnd i think thats it?

[hollow perch]

when you nail a t7 HE for your HH pally build

[vagrant bone]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbzxyrbQ what we think abt this?

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (72) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,414, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 137, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 8 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 82% / 109% / 96% / 101% / 117% / 68%
▸ EHP: 13,335 / 13,335 / 13,335 / 21,378 / 13,335 / 13,335 / 12,405

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 683
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,628)
▸ Block Chance: 67%, Mitigation: 48% (1,897)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (21)
• Void Cleave (21)
• Volatile Reversal (23)
• Anomaly (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Singularity

[bright nest]

Does anybody have a better 2h unique for forge strike mininions than blade catcher?

[waxen nymph]

Maybe that locust spear

It has a ton of flat +base crit + AS iirc

But then you can't VC

[bright nest]

hmm

[crude oriole]

It’s so fun nuking early monos with smite/healing hands

[quiet hearth]

ok, so using warpath to trigger abyssal nerfs my damage by at least half

[brazen cobalt]

Anyone playing Shield Bash FG and can attest to it's viability?

[thorn parrot]

Is there a decent alternative to the Horns of Uhkeiros shield for shield bash? I got 5 relics now and 0 shields, tired of seeing this timeline

[polar spire]

does it have to be a 2h?

[bright nest]

what 1h you thinking off? a shield wouldn't be a problem either.

[summer shell]

Apathys maw has felt very strong, t7 flat void 100% minion 100% phys 100% melee, let's you apply doom without the ring for 16% more damage

[polar spire]

1h mace

[bright nest]

current plan
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4PR6paB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,555, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 332, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 88 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 81% / 78% / 93% / 114% / 87% / 88%
▸ EHP: 9,891 / 9,891 / 9,891 / 17,495 / 9,891 / 9,891 / 9,891

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 711
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,099)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (37)
• Multistrike (31)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Void Cleave (27)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Throne of Ambition

[polar spire]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCswDgJiA

armor shred minions go brrr on bosses

[bright nest]

would be a good pick yeah hmm

[summer shell]

If you don't have another doom applier I don't think anything compares

[bleak breach]

Do echo hits count as hits for me? Like leech for example, do the echos proc that or only my hits

[bright nest]

not sure if that is worth it, but it would work yeah

[alpine canopy]

Yes, your echoes are you

[hollow bolt]

What do you guys think, Bleed minions over Crit minions? i Still cant decide which to go for as FG

[summer shell]

Jaspars staff could be really strong too for an ignite version but I imagine the ramp up would suck for monos

[hollow bolt]

quick question, why did you go with Sigils, when you dont do enough dmg to kill anything bevor your minions does it. i tested it for an entire mono and i did not got a single sigil stack

[summer shell]

I think sigils is a trap pick for forged weapons because you can't use the new ring

I've just been running reversal + reduced duration exploding weapons for a lot more spawns

[quiet hearth]

is the lunge node not intended to use javalin when it's the flag?

[wise rune]

this is after only 1 empower i'm pogging so hard rn

its almost a perfect roll on stats too

[hollow bolt]

thats what i thought too

[turbid dome]

May the slam be good 👍

[quiet hearth]

may rnjesus bless you

[low hare]

what skill do u guys use to lvl up void knight? feel like erasing strike is alittle slow for bossing, im level 20+

[hollow bolt]

Warpath, Lunge and as a filler Rive when you dont have any mana left

On some Bosses is Hammer a good thing too, when you are not able to attack with Melee skills due to Ground effects

[summer shell]

Master the reversal, seriously the most op skill in the game. It's infinite mana if you play preemptively

[low hare]

okay thank you!

[untold sky]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN5709WB Any recommendations from people who actually understand this class :3?

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (67) / Paladin (26)

General:

▸ Health: 1,062, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 103, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 0% / 0% / 35% / 32% / 3% / 3%
▸ EHP: 1,841 / 1,136 / 1,136 / 1,546 / 1,391 / 1,156 / 1,156

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 212
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (936)
▸ Block Chance: 47%, Mitigation: 39% (1,232)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Shield Throw (22)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Shield Bash (20)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection
• Sigeon's Reprisal

[hollow bolt]

you playing reflect?

[untold sky]

That is the goal

Primarily a fire damage build

But that may not be a smart idea with retailiate idk lol

[hollow bolt]

well

if you want to go reflect as your primary dmg, you need to abuse this node here

this is basicly your only way to scale reflect

[still plinth]

What happens if you run double bash and no cooldown on shield bash?

[quiet hearth]

if you want to use reflect, then you have to have that one shield too

[hollow bolt]

he does, but he has no Armour nodes allocated

[quiet hearth]

oh the throwing dmg one, I thought it was a direct reflect build my bad

[hollow bolt]

well, that was my understanding

[untold sky]

I am trying to make sigeon fire let me be clear lol

but in hindsight maybe I am too over the place on my passive nodes lol

I maxed out thorn as shield scales on raw reflect number

[hollow bolt]

well you dont have to, but for 6 points you get 12% increased Max Hp, thats pretty good

[polar spire]

whats this hallowed graveyard?

[quiet hearth]

ok,the poison nemesis deals WAY too much dmg

[hollow bolt]

As far as i can remember, that are poeple who are supporter from the Kickstarter i think

[polar spire]

see i was thinking that but then i was like why is it a graveyard, are all these people dead? cause i recognize some of these names lmao

[turbid dome]

Get as much armor applies to dot as possible

[hollow bolt]

lol no, it fits the theme

[turbid dome]

Or use rebuke to tank the 50 poison stacks he slaps on you

[quiet hearth]

max poison res AND taking 22% less poison dmg taken from this shield and about 30% less dmg from dots, good grief

[turbid dome]

Poison dude is a threat

[quiet hearth]

rebuke doesnt cleanse?

[turbid dome]

It’s 80% less damage taken while channeling it

[crystal sparrow]

My friend looking for direction on his forge guard, currently level 82. Anyone having great endgame results with a specific forge guard planner?

[quiet hearth]

yeah, that is the only reason I lived XD

[turbid dome]

What’s your hp regen?

[quiet hearth]

79

[turbid dome]

Get the hp regen blessing

[bleak breach]

is the warrior's fury node on warpath increasing the cost every second or just the base channel cost? like if it's at 1/5 so +4, does that mean every second the mana cost is 14, 18, 22, 26, 30, and so on? or just 18 per second

[turbid dome]

It increases the cost every second

[hollow bolt]

there are 3 Potant builds floting around rn, Shield bash, Forged weapon crit or bleed

[bleak breach]

yeah that makes sense lol, for obvious reasons, i now realize that was a dumb question

[turbid dome]

All good, I don’t think this increase cost counts for the new mana stacking axe but idk I haven’t looked at warpath recently

[quiet hearth]

I just got to monos last night, so that is gonna be a minute, as funny as this is, I think I need better gear to do the triple scaling

[bleak breach]

i got into them last night as well, currently lvl 58 i think but entered at 55 and was feeling very strong still

[simple raven]

so i brought up earlier that cone attacks from enemies dont trigger thorns, BUT
Primeval dragons breath attack does trigger thorns, on every tick -_-

also elites with affix "will heal if not damaged recently" does not stop its healing if u only damage them with thorns, gotta directly hit em xD

[bleak breach]

with warpath would it be better to focus into whirling steel or into void spiral? it's more dmg vs base dmg

with my current setup it looks like one will be max and the other will be 2/5, i just dont know which is more valuable to have

[open iris]

Javelin build?

[quiet hearth]

that is clearly a rive build /s

[open iris]

I hope there is a good Void Knight javelin build somewhere tho

[turbid dome]

Generic throwing build set up +

Just go for pure physical vk? I know phys rive was a thing on vk

[quiet hearth]

I wanna see void being converted into other elements. give me a void to fire conversion

[open iris]

the void consumes all though

[quiet hearth]

we routinely kill the void with everything from fire to just some dude and a stick

[open iris]

Hmmm true

ill go back and check my notes

[quiet hearth]

Which is a funny thing, imagine being able to corrupt time itself and then along comes this really angry man or woman with just a really big piece of metal or wood and they beat you so badly that your grip on time and space disolves.

[open iris]

and he comes in and hes like "Its Epochin' time"

[quiet hearth]

And right now with sentinels it's they keep coming and just screaming BONK really loud over and over and slapping the dog out of you

[hollow bolt]

i checked the planer, but i could not find any conversion to void from javilin. would have been sick tho. With smite conv into void via vk passive

but you kinda want the throwing crit passives from FG, so its dobble not worth it

[untold sky]

wait.. I could bounce shield throw off my ring of shields no?

[hollow bolt]

yes i think yes, but i can not find it right now

[untold sky]

omg it wont be useless in boss fights

[hollow bolt]

ok, as far as i can remember your ring of shields are allies. so this should apply

[summer shell]

Minions are allies

[bleak breach]

woah this reminds me of bone spear in d4, seems fun, was a ton of fun in d4

if you're trying to spec into one stat how high does it typically get? 40s 50s?

like practically speaking, not absolute max

[quiet hearth]

100ish

Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less

[bleak breach]

much higher than i expected tbh

[polar spire]

god why

[turbid dome]

Go go gadget ice smites

[waxen nymph]

Dex stacking Mornifrost Palarus Rive Smite 😱

[chilly lynx]

does dual wield palarus stack?

[waxen nymph]

You know you to try it

[chilly lynx]

6 smite/sec?

[waxen nymph]

Yes but no

The chances stack
Not the limit

[chilly lynx]

ima go aurelis and palarus then

[pulsar oracle]

Is palarus rare?

[simple raven]

so just killed my first harbinger after doing a time line.
good news: i could facetank everything including the purple circle of casting couch
bad news: took me 5min to kill him xD

[quiet hearth]

not what I wanted but I cant be mad either

[vagrant bone]

Dot Vk hammerdin time lol

[quiet hearth]

that is mage only tho

[hollow tulip]

i dont think healing hands trigger sigils of hope on kill

[quiet hearth]

It should, you IMPOSTOR /jk

[hollow tulip]

nvm it does i was really unlucky yesterday

[vagrant bone]

damn i read it wrong lol

[turbid dome]

By Eterra! There’s two dravens!

I wonder which one will catch more axes

[quiet hearth]

my draven name predates LoL so lol

[wise rune]

no its quite common actually

[pulsar oracle]

😮‍💨

[vagrant bone]

u can do void hammers with smite right?

[tacit zealot]

Yeah iirc you proc smite from idols through throwing attacks

[vagrant bone]

yeah i got one of those idols im prob gonna do that till i get Aberroths command then do a void hammer, dot build

[tacit zealot]

Might want more than 1 if smites doing most of the damage

[turbid dome]

Lol, at first I thought you changed your pfp

[vagrant bone]

im stacking flat throw dmg more im just speccing into smite to get a little extra dmg but mainly hammers rn

[quiet hearth]

oooh, that is why Im getting my rear handed to me, I forgot to spec back into blind when I changed back to the real build

they did a pretty good job at making blind just hard enough to get that it's a choice to spec into vs getting avoidance via gear

[vale ravine]

abyssal echoes with auto-recasts is pretty good way to apply it

that said i personally dont like conditional defense, however it is also a big bonk multiplier 😄

[quiet hearth]

I swear they bumped damage up at a baseline, I feel so squishy

[vagrant bone]

i feel that way to

[dark field]

Do I do double palarus swords or nah.

[wise rune]

nah it stays capped at 3 per second so theres no point

[quiet hearth]

unless you're gonna try and abuse the dual stacking benefit yeah

[dark field]

Ahh. So warpath wouldn’t be the way to go. But something like Judgement or something might be better.

If you wanted to dw them

[wise rune]

if you're running palarus warpath you should dual wield it with a sceptre so you can get the massive fire penetration and the base crit from this node at the same time

[mortal cobalt]

can healing hands cast itself off of direct usages of it when its been converted into a melee ability with seraph blade? or only other melee skills?

[dark field]

That makes sense.

[waxen nymph]

But the Flat Per Attribute is doubled

[modern junco]

for the sake of shield throw, can throwing arm be granted by a triggered cast or do i actually have to click the button?

[pearl geyser]

how are you triggering shield throw?

[modern junco]

the one shield i can't think of the name for. casts on block

[pearl geyser]

well it says used so that usually means button press

[modern junco]

F. thanks for clarifying

[mortal vigil]

shadow nerf? i remember see in the patchnotes that stalwart grand 10% per stack

[wise rune]

someone just linked this in the in game chat they really won the VK warpath lottery

[trim cove]

15 levels later, gaining another 4k damage on paper, I'm still dealing 2k-ish dmg in lvl 66 zone. What is going on!?

[wise rune]

those are both tier 7 affixes btw

[turbid dome]

Jesus

That’s +220 hp on my build as an prefix

[jagged cosmos]

should I scale ravaging aura or should i go all in on war cleave on a VK

[quiet hearth]

from the patch notes

[wide chasm]

Hi! is there a veteran builder here? I would like to know how to scale my build

[soft tapir]

any tips for warpath smite?

[fluid sparrow]

Check Ask devs, someone said patch notes were wrong

[wise rune]

use palarus offhand with a sceptre mainhand then get this node in warpath, the base crit and fire penetration apply to all damage while you're spinning so it'll make smite do massive damage

[soft tapir]

niceeeee thanks for the tip

[jagged cosmos]

dr3ad has a potentially sick warpath cleave build that is paladin and uses the new scepter or wahtever

[rotund pond]

7 hours monolight farming...

yeah i need crit ty last epoch xd

[vagrant bone]

trying to get my mana under controll to handle hammers lol

[unreal holly]

Does shield bash benefit from melee attack speed?

[unreal holly]

Make sure you get the -mana cost on your rings.

[soft tapir]

is the loss of resist for cheaper warpath cost worth it?

[vagrant bone]

i got that on both of them and bo anrachry lol

[vagrant bone]

nah its not

[soft tapir]

i feel like i can only go for like 2 seconds do i just need to wait for good enough gear?

[alpine canopy]

Depends on your build. Pally already has so much free resist, it's really not even a big downside

[unreal holly]

What level are you?

[vagrant bone]

always can fix it with some nana regen to

[soft tapir]

29

[wise rune]

its very easy to get elemental res as warpath paladin so i think its worth losing the res to save mana cost

[unreal holly]

Ah. Yeah, better gear will go a long way - also you'll get more mana and mana regen as you level.

One affix of mana regen can be helpful early as well.

[soft tapir]

im paladin also when should i start making gear max level or earlier?

[unreal holly]

As long as you're not using rare shards, you should craft asap. It makes a big difference during the campign.

You'll intermittently drop upgrades, but crafting will carry you between those.

[wise rune]

its easy to assume crafting is only useful at endgame if you're coming from other games but its actually just as useful while levelling

[soft tapir]

also how does attack speed interact with warpath if it does at all

[grand hound]

Does Orian's Sun Seal make Sigils instacast (right through warpath or chain attacking) or do I still need to take the Exigency skill node to make that happen?

[wise rune]

it makes it hit more frequently

attack speed can definitely be worth it when you're using palarus to hit the 3 smite per second limit more consistently

and helps for flame burst from holy aura too

[soft tapir]

whats the 3 smiter per sec limit

[grim fog]

I might be stupid but did healing hands ward get nerfed/fixed? I stop playing a month into 1.0

[wise rune]

this sword can only cast smite 3 times per second maximum via melee hits

[heavy yarrow]

anbody know if snaps Void Knight support can work in solo play too or is it strictly for group play
(group isnt always online since timezones are pretty hard)

[soft tapir]

does that limit count for other smite on hit chance like the warpath node?

[warm apex]

It’s a zdps setup, you need to swap for something else to do solo.

[soft tapir]

also can i have 2? does that do anything for me?

[heavy yarrow]

could have guessed that, damn

[wise rune]

no only for casts from the sword. and you can have two and it'll double the chance of smite casting but it will still be capped at 3 per second so its not really worth it

[vagrant bone]

having 2 also gives u 1+ flat dmg per str and attument

[heavy yarrow]

i really wanna run something to support the group a lot more but i also wanna not be useless in Solo play
guess VR is about the most i can give them probably

without straight up running pal

[dark field]

Palarus VK might be decent

[sterile latch]

So much easier to brick without the glyphs of hope or whatever that make forging cost less and early gear tends to have less forging potential.

[silver slate]

Has anyone killed Aberoth in void knight solo?

[warm apex]

You can setup sigils as well with the new ring to keep that buff up for party. While still building for dps yourself.
There are many ways to bring some healing/buffs while still doing dmg yourself.

[sterile latch]

I'm sure someone has

[warm apex]

I killed him 5 times.

[silver slate]

Show you build plz

[sterile latch]

As minion forge guard before you get the new ring that make your gloves buff forged weapons do you mostly rely on animated armor for dmg?

[summer shell]

Weapons very strong even early game with a good flat damage 2h

[wise rune]

gonna try to slam this on my 2 LP palarus

[summer shell]

Gloves are pretty minor compared to a good 2h

[warm apex]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olY8eR6A

I’m using this planner but with the axe from Orobyss. Apathy’s Maw.

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (60) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (18)

General:

▸ Health: 3,974, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 214, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 84 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 75% / 79% / 83% / 89% / 91% / 81%
▸ EHP: 12,991 / 12,926 / 12,991 / 23,354 / 12,991 / 12,991 / 12,991

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 795
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,380)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (28)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Void Cleave (24)
• Anomaly (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)

Used unique items:

• Sword Catcher
• Titan Heart
• Shattered Chains
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Siphon of Anguish
• Siphon of Anguish
• Singularity

[sterile latch]

I see. Dang hope they add a dps meter so I can see if my 130 melee dmg weapon or my skeleton generating unique does more dps.

[heavy yarrow]

i assume something like warpath would be triggering it then?

[silver slate]

Tnx

[dark field]

Yep warpath plus abyssal echoes

[heavy yarrow]

cast from warpath too?
or selfcast

[dark field]

From warpath

[summer shell]

Just a matter of the %minion phys or fire on either wep versus flat, forged weapons split weapon base damage 50/50 fire physical I'm pretty sure

[dark field]

I was considering doing ignites with fire warpath and smites but eh.

[cosmic ivy]

i fell in love with world splitter

[wise rune]

You could combine it with the new void cleave unique to make it possible to cast void cleave during warpath which gives you another abyssal echoes cast and ravaging aura

[wise rune]

That's gonna be my next build I'm so excited for it

[cosmic ivy]

pretty much caps out crit chance byitself, and maybe need to use anomaly when crit avoidance

[thorny heath]

Hi do you think shield bash can be viable with paladin instead of FG ?

[wise rune]

Yeah it's insane

[cosmic ivy]

it deals less single hit dmg compared to like apothys maw but since its axe your attack speed goes high

and also the melee area is HUGE

[thorny heath]

ok

[turbid dome]

Apathy’s maw is an axe

[soft tapir]

are there any nodes or passives that seem good but actually suck? warpath smipe pally here

[cosmic ivy]

i ment the shadow mace whatever its called*

apathy is bad for the erasing strike build

[turbid dome]

Event horizon? The new hammer

[cosmic ivy]

No the +2 void skill old.item

[turbid dome]

Oh shadow beacon, lamp post looking thing

[cosmic ivy]

yeah, its good in the beginning

[dark field]

Okay. Now we’re cookin

[turbid dome]

doesnt warpath or void cleave have a node for doing warpath for a bit then void cleaving

[cosmic ivy]

void cleave has abyssal

[wise rune]

Yeah cleave does

[cosmic ivy]

also i cant drop a singular chest piece with erasing strike.
but every single other ability drops like candy

[dark field]

So warpath, abyssal echos, smite, void cleave, sigils, and use lunge?

[wise rune]

You probably want VR on there somewhere for mana

[dark field]

Only problem is scaling I think.

Don’t think Palarus is the item here

[cosmic ivy]

dont proc abyssal echo with void cleave if you dont use bonk build btw

[dark field]

Nah. Proc it with warpath

[cosmic ivy]

are you sustaining mana

[dark field]

No idea. We’re in the cooking stage

[wise rune]

You'd probably want to max out the -mana per second on warpath for that build in addition to having some investment in mana regen

[cosmic ivy]

abyssal echo eats all the mana

the extra proc thing doesnt consume thankfully

[dark field]

One abyssal echo every 3 seconds doesn’t seem to bad

[cosmic ivy]

how much mana you think i need to sustain this 💀

[soft tapir]

i hate the new sheild mechanic for bosses

[wise rune]

I feel like for world splitter you wanna aim for at least 1k

[cosmic ivy]

had to sacrifice a little mana for crit chance

even 5k armor isnt enough to tank harbingerd 😭

[obtuse perch]

You mean the shade?

[cosmic ivy]

i think like 1.5k

[obtuse perch]

It's literally better than DDR.

It makes you kill bosses faster.

[wise rune]

1.5k is definitely reachable with world splitter

[warm apex]

The axe from the shade of orobyss, yes😊

[cosmic ivy]

apathy's maw

[turbid dome]

apathy's maw my beloved

[cosmic ivy]

if only you wouldnt run out of mana in 0.2 seconds with it

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9xjWrbA

Not much has changed since yesterday but also I was only able to play for a few hours and I am very slow at this game.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 63

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (51)

General:

▸ Health: 1,017, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 173, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 30 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 128% / 76% / 87% / 90% / 83% / 61% / 76%
▸ EHP: 2,301 / 2,301 / 2,301 / 2,769 / 2,301 / 1,986 / 2,301

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 245
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (65)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (1,699)
▸ Block Chance: 37%, Mitigation: 35% (629)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (21)
• Multistrike (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Arboreal Circuit

[obtuse perch]

10 levels and one timeline later, more or less.

[cosmic ivy]

how rare is the belt from orobyss

[obtuse perch]

The shade?

[turbid dome]

isn't the belt only at 120+ corruption

[obtuse perch]

Also the node that summons shields when you block is actually a little nuts.

Combined with a manual casting I sometimes get up to 9 shields or something.

[cosmic ivy]

im at like 250 with 5 gaze 😭

[turbid dome]

keep on trying theres a lot of shades to kill anyways

[zenith blaze]

anyone know anything about bleed hammerdin and can help me get a build online? I can give you in game gold for your help! DM me if you're down to VC and I share my screen!

[cosmic ivy]

i have spare needles

[soft tapir]

what skills go good with warpath and smite?

[cosmic ivy]

the thing is, it has to drop with LP or i rng with egg

[obtuse perch]

What mastery?

[zenith blaze]

anyone know anything about bleed hammerdin and can help me get a build online? I can give you in game gold for your help! DM me if you're down to VC and I share my screen!

[soft tapir]

paladin

[cosmic ivy]

dmg is just not worth at all

[obtuse perch]

Sigils of Hope

[cosmic ivy]

damage is the biggest scam in this game.

[obtuse perch]

Healing Hands

[cosmic ivy]

you hit boss a little bit, it pushes apst 2 ward phases and you die because stacked behaviors

[obtuse perch]

What do you mean damage is a scam?

If you're feeling funky, could also steal manifest armor or something. XD

[zenith blaze]

anyone know anything about bleed hammerdin and can help me get a build online? I can give you in game gold for your help! DM me if you're down to VC and I share my screen!

[obtuse perch]

Like I'm not sure what the term is for games like this. In card games we call adding in a card that's very good but comes from outside the archetype/color/etc, a "splash".

What's with this spamming guy?

[zenith blaze]

anyone know anything about bleed hammerdin and can help me get a build online? It would be so appreciated, DM me if you're down to VC and I share my screen!

[obtuse perch]

Dude just stop.

[zenith blaze]

shut up

[wise rune]

Holy aura is a must for the flame burst passive, javelin with the war banner node has great synergy with warpath smite too since it buffs you while you're in the radius and casts more smites for you

[obtuse perch]

Rude

[cosmic ivy]

nobody will join u in vc to tell u how 2 play a ARPG

look at skill, explore skill.
look for combos and relative abilities.
win game

[turbid dome]

making a build is half the fun

[obtuse perch]

Like provided you can effectively put some points in the FG tree, would you say manifest armor is "splashable"?

[hollow spindle]

Dude's streaming on twitch and is asking for help XD

[turbid dome]

isn't manifest armor after the cutoff chain, or am I dumb

[cosmic ivy]

merchant guild 😭

[obtuse perch]

Nope.

15 point line.

[zenith blaze]

tf is your point goof?

[turbid dome]

dang, I wish I could get him to echo

[obtuse perch]

You really should not act this way towards the people you're trying to get help from.

[obtuse perch]

What I'm trying to ask is, Manifest Armor I feel is fairly low investment. If you just happen to have an empty skill slot and access to the skill you could do worse than slotting it no?

[cosmic ivy]

is there a possible way to make void cleave deal dmg later on, would be nice to have it kill enemies while using it as travel ability

[hollow spindle]

Point is, if you're a twitch streamer you should probably just go TEST the things out for yourself instead of asking for other people to spoon feed you builds you narcissistic waste of air.

[obtuse perch]

Doesn't void cleave alreay deal damage?

[cosmic ivy]

it falls later on

[obtuse perch]

Wonder if I should ping moderators. 🤔

[turbid dome]

probably worth it over all, tho your build wont have and minion stat buffs, but still it mostly scales off your gear so good splash in if you already have the points in FG

[zenith blaze]

I'm being attacked for asking for help? what the F is wrong with you guys

[cosmic ivy]

just the thing that travel void cleave cant echo

[obtuse perch]

You're attacking the people you're asking for help.

[zenith blaze]

they attacked me first, and obviously you aren't helping?

[turbid dome]

@obtuse perch continuing last point, there is probably something better to grab tho for a 5th skill, even if you already have the points in FG

[obtuse perch]

Because I help people who ask nicely.

[zenith blaze]

anyone know anything about bleed hammerdin and can help me get a build online? It would be so appreciated, DM me if you're down to VC and I share my screen!

[obtuse perch]

Dude just stop

[hollow spindle]

And you weren't asking for help, you were spamming the same copy paste over and over when no-one responded to you. No, you actually attacked Manock first by telling him to shut up when he asked you to stop spamming. Get your narrative straight if you're gonna try to gaslight people.

[obtuse perch]

Rude.

...Rude...

[cosmic ivy]

bro just google at this point

[turbid dome]

bruh

[zenith blaze]

I literally add in "would be so appreciated" proceeds to say I help people who ask nicely

[hollow spindle]

<@&1161418687471956101> Can we get some intervention here please?

[obtuse perch]

Is it possible that... You don't know basic etiquette? Like legit question.

Odd too, you look like a mature bloke, you should know better.

[zenith blaze]

[cosmic ivy]

@zenith blaze would also be nicer to tell people that ur live before telling them to join VC

[turbid dome]

at this entire exchange

[broken dust]

Let's move back on to sentinel chat please. Thanks for flagging.

[vagrant bone]

lol damn that was a good read (ill shut up now)

[simple raven]

we need more slots of gear that can take thorns afffixes!

[turbid dome]

yes!

[cosmic ivy]

need more mana uniques

[minor elbow]

thats a fine #1210282176680169562

[vagrant bone]

i feel thats sent talk though? since retail is in sent passive tree

[cosmic ivy]

i would sacrifice all my existing damage items and stats straight into mana

[minor elbow]

yes...but if the person wants the suggestion to be seen...it should go in suggestions

that wasnt a warning....that was a hey go put your idea here so its seen

[cosmic ivy]

but even dropping a t7 mana on a slot like belt is impossible

[simple raven]

already put several posts covering thorns and thorns mechanics that are buggy/not working and suggestions how to improve thorns to make it more viable

[vagrant bone]

true true lol sorry been drinking read it wrong

[minor elbow]

nah all good

[turbid dome]

I wish VK had more pain for gain effects

[simple raven]

like imperial navigator mobs shoot these lightning balls only (only attack they do) and it dosent trigger thorns at all -_-

most cone attacks dont trigger thorns, but the primeval dragons fire breath attack triggers it on every tick!

[obtuse perch]

I wish I had a button that says "Kill Abberoth"

[turbid dome]

[vagrant bone]

dude im struglling with mana lol rn hammers cost 14 each lol with 2 t3 or t4 throw mana redu and a bo arnarchy lol

[turbid dome]

getting high tier ring throwing affixes helps that a lot

[cosmic ivy]

yeah and im using this ability which costs 30 + 60

[obtuse perch]

Oh this isn't the first time today (!) I heard about someone having mana issues with ammerdin.

[turbid dome]

[vagrant bone]

lol this is the tree prob why

[obtuse perch]

This might seem like an odd thing to say, but have you considered not inflating the mana cost until such a time when you can afford it?

[turbid dome]

I can't argue against that logic

[simple raven]

😂

[vagrant bone]

dmg is dmg just saying what i feel u feel maock?

[cosmic ivy]

i wish no cooldown node was not behind a forced 60 mana cost spell mirror

[turbid dome]

you could also just grab rive + time and faith to regen mana till you get more in your kit

[vagrant bone]

eh waste of time there all dying with 1 hammer throw lol

[turbid dome]

kill them with hammer -> rive when nothing is there to get mana back -> go killing with hammers again

[obtuse perch]

But if you don't have time to rive you don't have mana issues?

[cosmic ivy]

like i sometimes have to regen -50 mana if i miss a crit 💀

[obtuse perch]

You don't need to hit anything to get mana?

[vagrant bone]

im saying i dont have passives for time and faith?

[obtuse perch]

Oh that was not apparent for me.

[turbid dome]

time and faith is when you directly use

[vagrant bone]

im well aware of what time and faith is

[obtuse perch]

He was replying to me

[turbid dome]

that was more for Manock

[cosmic ivy]

just have like a singular t7 mana

kill empowered lagon and get that 80 mana

[vagrant bone]

oh

[turbid dome]

all good, you could try to get manafused on your weapon (flat mana and mana regen in one affix)

[vagrant bone]

cant cause im using this to lessen the throw cost by 3 mana

[turbid dome]

darn

[soft tapir]

what smite nodes are good for paladin fire

[vagrant bone]

yeah its really pretty decednt just not hitting them 24/7 is sucky lol

[turbid dome]

you could try to grab a noble belt to make your mana pool a bit bigger, theres just not a ton of options at this point in the game

[obtuse perch]

I'm still like, if you really are having mana issues, consider getting some different nodes that don't inflate the mana cost.

You're only level 26.

[wise rune]

Max out the sacrifice node and then go for the crit chance and crit multi

[soft tapir]

wouldnt the fire nodes be better?

[vagrant bone]

when i respec its just gonna take longer to level it vs just playing it

[obtuse perch]

I mean sure if you want to continue running out of mana all the time.

[vagrant bone]

its only on bosses im running out of

[obtuse perch]

That being said, I don't understand why people keep overestimating the time needed to earn skill points.

[vagrant bone]

cause without monos is just not worth respeciing imo lol i have 800+hrs lol

[turbid dome]

side quests for skill points 👍

[obtuse perch]

I have way less than that and I never had problems respeccing.

[turbid dome]

its like 40 gold a point at level 30

[obtuse perch]

Not for skill points.

[honest mauve]

It doesn't take long at all esp if the skill you're trying to respec is lower than the other, it takes less time to lvl it. Also if you're having a rough time leveling it can always go for the exp tome nodes on monos.

[obtuse perch]

Gaining skill points is only slow when you're at the top of the curve.

[turbid dome]

oh yeah right you get boosted xp up to your "skill level" or whatever.

granted my skills always hit the level cap while going through the campaign anyways

[obtuse perch]

If you're anywhere below the top of the curve it's much faster.

[vale ravine]

so i got to 85 finally on my VK build, changed to world splitter. hooolllyyyy it feels so much better than maw already
dont be afraid of the change fellow Bonkers

[turbid dome]

I have 60 mana

[honest mauve]

Because hitting lvl 19 and 20 skill lvl is locked behind char level so I think you need to hit 80 or something for lvl 20

[vagrant bone]

umm shouldnt be i get my level 20 skill at like 74-76

[vale ravine]

ye 76 me thinks

[honest mauve]

Yea maybe I'm mistaking the level but def takes close to 80 or mid to high 70s

[wet forum]

My eggman made this, I don't exactly need +4 to lunge, but the melee dmg is nice and the health is amazing
I'd love to chaos the res into health, seal str or vit and T5 the other one, but the odds of that are... yeah
Probably gonna settle on 50/50 ish to seal the res, and then craft vit and health

[honest mauve]

Whatre you running BTW to have mana issues?

[obtuse perch]

For some reason I often chaos into the affix I want.

[wet forum]

Isn't it that lv 80 gives you accelerated xp gain all the way to lv 20 in the case of respec? Or something like that

[obtuse perch]

Hammerdin

[honest mauve]

That's probably what I'm mistaking it for.

[honest mauve]

Vk or normal?

[heavy yarrow]

whats the abyssal echoes for here ? Just more DPS or does it have some kind of other utility?

[obtuse perch]

That, I do not know

[honest mauve]

What level are you?

[obtuse perch]

Oh I was speaking for the other person just now. They are level 26.

[honest mauve]

Oh ok. Yea that's super early and def going to have mana issues then.

[wet forum]

Lucky, I usually chaos into something I have 0 shards of and get stuck lol

[obtuse perch]

The trick is to want a common affix.

Like an attribute or something.

[honest mauve]

I'm vk hammerdin but void aura spec. I had mana issues early too but trick is to not take the nodes that increase the cost of hammers and try to get -throwing attacks mana affixes asap on your rings

[vale ravine]

im just gonna call my world splitter ES build "Ranged Void Knight" from now on, it is so good 😄 im 100% in love

[honest mauve]

My hammers cost 6 mana atm but I can drop it to 3 if I used another -mana ring and the only node I dont have is orbit node.

[obtuse perch]

But man this forge guard minion build feels good.

Was forge guard really bad before? Because it feels really good.

[honest mauve]

Thats my next build to try. Always loved FG minions

[turbid dome]

pretty

[vale ravine]

and this is baseline ES, no mana cost increase

[honest mauve]

Yes was bad compared to other classes and specs

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9xjWrbA This is where I'm at now.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 63

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (51)

General:

▸ Health: 1,017, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 173, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 30 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 128% / 76% / 87% / 90% / 83% / 61% / 76%
▸ EHP: 2,301 / 2,301 / 2,301 / 2,769 / 2,301 / 1,986 / 2,301

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 245
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (65)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (1,699)
▸ Block Chance: 37%, Mitigation: 35% (629)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (21)
• Multistrike (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Arboreal Circuit

[honest mauve]

You havnt gotten the new minion ring yet?

[obtuse perch]

Not yet, still moving through normal timelines.

[honest mauve]

I got a crap 1 very early not that I'm using it but I'd assume it's pretty common drop so good luck! Hope you get one

[marsh shale]

@obtuse perch are you following any guide for this build or just kinda experimenting as you go?

[obtuse perch]

I planned the build out myself. I did have some help though. The volatile reversal was a late addition at somebody's suggestion.

[turbid dome]

volatile reversal is like the best skill in the game once your good at using it, it makes my head hurt tho I do enough thinking at work

[vale ravine]

ye but 120% multi is 120% multi, no way around it

[obtuse perch]

I just try to avoid using it when it would set me at low health.

[honest mauve]

I think like VR has a 80% usage in builds if not higher

[turbid dome]

I wish i could see like a purple echo of me where its gonna send me

[obtuse perch]

I don't really take care with timing it. I just sorta try to make sure I don't warp too far away.

Because the idea is to hit the enemy with it twice.

[turbid dome]

yeah

[vale ravine]

well twice, and then two more times before the first effect expires with sufficiently low CD

[obtuse perch]

I just took the node that has a chance to reduce cd on melee hit.

[marsh shale]

What is the trick with VR? Just use it when you are on top of an enemy to get increased damage? This is my first time with sentinel so just trying to understand everything.

[vale ravine]

ye pretty much

[obtuse perch]

Basically the void rift has nodes that make enemies take increased damage.

If you stay in 1 place for 2 seconds and then use it, you will hit enemies with it twice.

[vale ravine]

just take all CD reduction nodes, and if you use Anomaly can also take CDR there. it will make VR sub 4s CD, and the damage increase lingers for 4s -> overlap

[obtuse perch]

Also now that I think about it, enemies take more damage.

[marsh shale]

Ah okay makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! I haven't really enjoyed using it so far but I can see how it would be strong

[turbid dome]

its a lot of damage

[obtuse perch]

Also twice

There's a node that gives more dot damage, and another that gives more damage overall. And they stack multiplicatively.

[heavy yarrow]

would smite procs from warpath with palarus be enough damage so i can skill sigils of hope and volatile reversal or do i have spend the last slot on more damage instead of lunge

[steady summit]

Is Sacred Gift node on Healing Hands broken? (25% chance for health orb) never seen an orb.

[vale ravine]

Food for Wyrms is also big if you are stacking time rot for ES

[obtuse perch]

I'm kinda of afraid of taking the one that reduces health regen.

[vale ravine]

forget about it, that's what leech is for. you 100% take all CDR nodes

[obtuse perch]

Maybe later.

[vale ravine]

titans heart anyway disables all health regen

[obtuse perch]

I barely even use it right now. Usually once on an area boss. Which then promptly melts.

Whose heart what now?

[marsh shale]

One more question. I see a lot of builds (especially FG) using healing hands in their hotbar even when they have specced into the auto cast on melee hit. Is there a major reason for that? It seems like it would be better to just keep healing hands specialized but put something like lunge in it's spot on your hotbar.

[twilit valley]

Good morning all , goodnight to others …

[obtuse perch]

Traversal skill. Also what else would you put there?

[marsh shale]

Ah yeah good point. I was thinking just base lunge or something

[simple raven]

imo i find shield rush a better/faster transversal skill than lounge

[vernal scroll]

What's the lvl where xp gets hit hard ? 80 no ?

[twilit valley]

I found a bug , I’m smite but can proc judgement constantly as I run around smiting ..

[obtuse perch]

I don't even have a traversal skill

If evade didn't exist I wouldn't even consider it.

[simple raven]

80+ it gets slow yea

[wet forum]

I love lunge but it is rather limited (feels so much better paired with the new evade mechanic though)

[obtuse perch]

But evade exists and it's been fine.

And the main problem is lunge can't be used to get away from an enemy

[marsh shale]

Yeah I have been enjoying lunge a lot. I dont want to replace it but will probably end up running something else.

[obtuse perch]

Healing hands on the other hands can not only be used to get away, but also to heal yourself at the same time.

[wet forum]

Yeah, I played in 1.0 with lunge as my only movement skill, and my main boss to farm was (and is again) Rahyeh
It was.. I mean, I did get better at positioning, you could say

[turbid dome]

simply get the helmet that lets you lunge anywhere

[obtuse perch]

Doing Rayeh without an escape feels like hell rofl.

I like how people often suggest the most far out things and then say "simply".

[turbid dome]

thats part of the joke, tho its not that funny

[marsh shale]

if you arent running healing hands as a movement skill, is there any other reason to keep it in your hotbar?

[obtuse perch]

People often do that unironically.

[turbid dome]

fr?

[obtuse perch]

autocasts aren't as powerful.

[simple raven]

just did that boss on my FG and the only thing i needed to get out of is the cloude he leaves after charging across the platform

granted it was only corruption 100, but still

[obtuse perch]

Being able to snap-escape from any AoE is just so good in the Rayeh fight.

[wet forum]

This is the one skill that's actually avoidable using lunge, he won't charge if you get to him quickly, which lunge is made for

[obtuse perch]

It takes off some mental load and allows for mistakes.

[simple raven]

question, how is temporal sanctum T2 compared to coruption 100. harder/easier?

[obtuse perch]

Also

Evade, like most movement skills, lets you move through enemies.

Which is almost as good as having iframes.

[simple raven]

i just run sideways and go to him at an angle. but it ticks for too much dmg that i cant facetank it 😄

[simple raven]

this is what i think people are sleeping on. dodge is awesome, dodging through enemies is amazing!

[wet forum]

y'know, I was planning to get the 75-85% crit mitigation helmet, but it looks you can cap crit avoid with this + the blessing
So if I get one of these it's definitely at the very least going into the eggcraft machine

[simple raven]

right, im off. cyas all again tomorrow for more monos 🙂

[wet forum]

Goodnight!

[heavy yarrow]

damn the build i have in mind might just fail due to having too much different scaling

[obtuse perch]

I much prefer crit damage reduction over crit avoid.

Mostly because you don't actually need 100% of the former.

Like if you are off by 20% it's not that big of a deal.

[wet forum]

Yeah, that's why I love the helmet, 75-85% mitigation on a single implicit is pretty much enough

[obtuse perch]

If you have only 80% crit avoid that's kinda nasty.

[heavy yarrow]

iirc crit reduction also gives armor so you tank better too

[obtuse perch]

Those are the affixes.

The implicit is just the crit reduction.

[wet forum]

Yeah, if you wanna cap the little bit left after that helmet, you basically use half an affix instead of a whole one since you get armor out of it too

[obtuse perch]

You know what's really cool about the revised FG tree?

Like there's a lot of really cool things. But like, it gives "armor applies to DoT" which scales with attunement.

[solemn harbor]

Okay, one thing I've never understood, why do people always tell me to use Falcon Fists on Rive HH Paladin? Can't you get the Attack Speed and Fire damage other ways? Or is the flat on it that useful?

[still plinth]

server crash?

[obtuse perch]

Is HH also the go to for melee attunement builds?

[wet forum]

DoT is what usually gets me so yeah I love stacking that effect, don't have enough atn to justify the passive though - it looks to be available even if you aren't FG though so that's interesting to pallies

[turbid dome]

What happens if you get greater than 100% armor applies to dot.

Like is it a hard cap at 100% or do you get extra

[solemn harbor]

Honestly, if you're a melee build that can proc the skill, you should try to see if you can fit HH in. Free healing is always great, plus it's damage is still bonkers, even though people say it got nerfed into the ground after being UBER busted on Launch Cycle.

[obtuse perch]

Either there is no hard cap or there is one and they forgot to tell us. That being said, I don't think it's physically possible to even get close to 100%.

[obtuse perch]

Yes, but I specifically want to know if it's the go to for melee attunement builds.

[wet forum]

I actually think it is, with experimental gloves especially, lemme check

[obtuse perch]

Experimental armor applies to ward isn't that high.

[solemn harbor]

I don't know of any other skill that so heavily incentivizes Attunement stacking on melee Sentinel than HH. Most of the other options are our spells.

[wet forum]

Experimental gloves go up to 30% armour mitigation applies to DoT, and gloves also have an implicit to begin with

[obtuse perch]

Also... What about

[vale ravine]

relic + gloves + T5 affix is 72%

[obtuse perch]

Pure HH for melee attunement?

[vale ravine]

with T7 it would be 84% but good luck with that lol

[turbid dome]

17% from champions regalia, 24% from eternal gauntlet, 30% from experimental affix (T7), FG passive gives 1% per 2 attunement so you only need like 60 attunement to hit 100% armor applies to dot

Wait the relic

[solemn harbor]

Real talk? Pure HH does not feel as good, for me personally, as it does when compared to it being Proc based. Sure, you lose 4 points from the skill tree, but that's not too big of a hinderance.

[obtuse perch]

Ok so if you have T7 you would only need 32 attunement to reach 100

[mighty lark]

man i havent seen a single solar commandment relic yet, am i just unlucky? or do they not drop until later 65 rn

[vale ravine]

ah we can also have 20% from amulet, i forgot that 😄

altho no that's generic DR nevermind

[wet forum]

Experimental gloves mod 30%, Decayed skull unique 30%, Body implicit 17%, Gloves implicit 24%, Weaver unique relic 30%, I'm seeing a hypothetical max of 131% even without the passive

[vale ravine]

poison twister ends up healing you at the end

[obtuse perch]

Well the thing is

You need to go over 100 a fair a mount to even get zero damage from DoTs.

[vernal scroll]

Do someone have a good Erasing strike build to show ?

[solemn harbor]

Do VKs still playing Erasing? o.O That's a skill I haven't thought about in like two years.

[turbid dome]

Yes

[obtuse perch]

Need 118% armor applies to DoT to get 100% DoT damage reduction

And that's if it's not hard capped.

[amber lance]

has anyone dropped Code of an erased sentinel this patch?

[obtuse perch]

Oh also this assumes 85% armor damage reduction

[vale ravine]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYkqnDmQ
subjective if it is "good", it has some things in it which are up to personal preference

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 4,919, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 421, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 56 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 58 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 59% / 58% / 69% / 65% / 75% / 75%
▸ EHP: 17,328 / 14,938 / 14,747 / 29,051 / 15,681 / 17,242 / 17,242

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 984
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,260)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Void Cleave (23)
• Erasing Strike (25)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Titan Heart
• Shattered Chains
• Oceareon
• Siphon of Anguish
• Darkstride
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[wet forum]

Well, we got a hypothetical max of 131% before the passive, but that also only goes for phys, dealing with non-phys using armor is a whole other beast

[solemn harbor]

Your luck sucks btw. I got mine at like 55, couldn't use it until 58 but still. lol

[vale ravine]

ok i need a smart person to tell me why the bot links something completely different lol

[mighty lark]

i even refreshed gambler like 60 times and still didnt see it 😦

[turbid dome]

Isn’t that just 70% effective

[vernal scroll]

Do you think it's gonna scale well in high corrup ?

[turbid dome]

The bot links it on the average setting for rolls

[vale ravine]

ah lol tha makes sense cheers 😄

[wet forum]

Yeah, but that ends up very significant if you look at it from the perspective of how much damage gets leaked through

[vale ravine]

2M per ES hit against level 100 enemies, giga clear, minx maxed survivability so fakken hope so lol

[obtuse perch]

Oof I'm wrong

[wet forum]

I'm seeing 168%

[vernal scroll]

Haha alright ! Thanks man

[wet forum]

Which would be doable with the passive if you consider this

[obtuse perch]

169 actually. Since you need to round up

[wet forum]

(That is, if this works at all, of course)

[vale ravine]

pretty high budget tho so dont CoF it

[turbid dome]

do it on a mana stacking build with the new axe so the attunement helps there too?

[vernal scroll]

yh yh, but it's a goal to farm for 😉
The resists not maxed isn't a problem ?

[obtuse perch]

Close to max is preferred

[vale ravine]

well i planned for "max" rolls, not avg ofc

[obtuse perch]

Overcapped is even more preferred.

[wet forum]

This could be a fun meme to try in MG - actually maybe not, I'd imagine T7 experimental armor->DoT on the gloves with armor->DoT implicit could actually be in demand

[vale ravine]

it's capped on max, switch out some HP idols for the time being during prog to cap

[vernal scroll]

But could be maxed with idols

[obtuse perch]

That said, resist scaling is much better than PoE. Where having 79% instead of 80% can kill you.

[vale ravine]

can also move around some passive points into void/phys res passives, have room

[obtuse perch]

Having 74% instead of 75% in LE makes barely any difference.

[vale ravine]

ye tbh i much prefer this system as well

[obtuse perch]

Because LE treats 75% as the zero point.

[wet forum]

Yeah if something's a bit off cap and difficult to close the gap I often just don't bother
(like when my cold res comes from spidersilk sash + heoborean boots and the rolls don't add up to 75%)

[vernal scroll]

Yh but some resi are at 55% with ideal rolls, means in reality most of the time they will be around 40%, some point won't solve it no ?

[obtuse perch]

In PoE, resists are their actual numbers. Which means if you have 74% instead of 75% that's 4% more damage. In LE it's 1% more damage.

That said, overcapping resists is still good because resist shred is a thing.

[vale ravine]

i mean i left 30% phys and 30% void and 25% ele resist in the passives lol. plus almost all idols are empty, just adapt it to your current situation, i personally only plan maxed out stuff and just wing it along the way

[vernal scroll]

Alrighty alright

[wet forum]

It's actually even worse in PoE, since default res is -60%, so that 4% more damage isn't the difference between 74 and 75 but between 144 and 145, which is even sillier

[obtuse perch]

Damage taken as phys stats in LE are also interesting. And I think are sentinel exclusive?

[vale ravine]

if anybody wants to fact check me on my world splitter numbers lol (also curious if the server lets you share this)

[obtuse perch]

Because phys damage is just slightly easier to reduce.

[turbid dome]

isn't it more phys taken as ele in POE, cause armor is less effective against big hits in POE

[obtuse perch]

I misspelled.

[wet forum]

Oh yeah that's a funny bit, in PoE you usually take phys as ele to reduce the phys hit because of the formula, here you want ele as phys because armor is just strictly better against phys

[turbid dome]

ah didn't see the edit

[obtuse perch]

Finding ways to reduce phys damage in PoE can be a nightmare.

[wet forum]

I never really got around to doing much with that stat here though

[obtuse perch]

Which is dumb because everything deals phys damage in PoE.

That said, armor does work against bleeds because bleed damage scales with the hit that applies it.

PoE is very similar but also very different.

[wet forum]

I don't think it does actually? The hit and the ailment are scaled in the same way but they're separate

Bleed is an ailment that deals physical damage over time that is based on the initial physical damage of an attack or spell; armour will reduce the initial hit but not the damage over time.

[obtuse perch]

Oh

Anyway defenses in PoE are a nightmare because stuff will just vaporize you without you knowing why if one of your defenses is lacking.

And god forbid you run vaal pact and cannot leech. V_V

[wet forum]

I somehow keep forgetting to setup my CwDT guard skill in that game even after 3k hours, I think it's a brain issue at this point

[obtuse perch]

Molten armor or whatever that thing is called.

I hate it. I hate it because it is a staple for too many builds.

[wet forum]

Molten shell if you got the armor to support it, immortal call if you got the lifepool to support it, steelskin otherwise

[vernal scroll]

Is there somewhere a ladder meaningfull ? LEtools ladder seems pointless

[wet forum]

There's a ladder in-game if you press L

[obtuse perch]

Honestly, if you must have a certain skill to survive a game, that skill just shouldn't be there. It completely removes player choice so why even give the player it?

The way player choice in general works in PoE is just... Weird.

Like some choices aren't really choices at all.

[turbid dome]

this has to be the best worst relic I've ever used

yay resistances

[obtuse perch]

How do you have 2 affixes and no fp?

[turbid dome]

I got cosmically unlucky with FP

I put a two res affixs onto it and lost it all