🔱┃sentinel

[winter copper]

warpath has mana cost 1

[shell echo]

hey no longer prevent mana regeneration, but 8 mana has been added to their channel cost.
does that affect warpath ? can you still spin forever ?

[calm basin]

yes

[rigid star]

We gonna have to see how Warpath reacts with some other stuff

I would expect Event Horizon builds to be a bit sluggish

unless you absolutely force MS in every possible place

[gusty abyss]

When you use a Melee Attack and hit at least one enemy <= same as healing hands, you will only get 1 stack with warpath unless to spam click it

[humble wraith]

Any1 who played forge guard minion can tell me if the forge weapons get affected by both weapons if dual wielding?

[rigid star]

Oh that's right, channeling isn't actually fully fixed yet

[gusty abyss]

I think its fully intentional from the devs, would be amazing for warslash otherwise though

[waxen nymph]

It even means that with some mana regen investment you might be able to sustain AE

[waxen nymph]

Yes you add the stats

[gusty abyss]

Or % channel cost reduction affix, or extra points in cost reduction

Warpath with Abbysal echoes, using aberroths command and instant void cleave, multiply that voidcleave, surely will be a build

[humble wraith]

Thank you, sir.

[final junco]

I've been told shield bash is pretty bad early game, needs a lot to get going, is that true? And if so, whats a good early build for forge guard?

I'm gonna go dual wield shields 100%

But might be a while before i can transition and need something comfy before i get there

[waxen nymph]

What do you get from Warpath here?

[gusty abyss]

50 spell damage, Abyssak Echoes automation and you can take the void cleave node for 80% more damage after channeling warpath

[waxen nymph]

Sound sweet

Enough pts left to get Block Chance?

[gusty abyss]

if you get some + warpath and fix mana without needing more points on channel cost

[turbid dome]

what (Non-unique) relic do you guys normally run?

I think I'm addicted to inscribed tablets

[bold horizon]

I've been cooking https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4v8L2LA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (74) / Paladin (8)

General:

▸ Health: 3,124, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 171, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 133 Str / 36 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 87% / 77% / 92% / 76% / 79% / 71%
▸ EHP: 9,273 / 9,273 / 9,273 / 19,219 / 9,273 / 9,273 / 8,874

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 29%, Threshold: 625
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (144)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 78% (10,701)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Smite (20)
• Shield Bash (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Ucenui's Sphere
• Devotion
• Oceareon
• Oceareon

[bold horizon]

ahhh mb linked page from wrong tab lol that ones like 20 mins outdated

[winter copper]

this is so all over th place

[bold horizon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgWeYjdB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (74) / Paladin (8)

General:

▸ Health: 3,124, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 171, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 133 Str / 36 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 87% / 77% / 92% / 76% / 79% / 71%
▸ EHP: 9,273 / 9,273 / 9,273 / 19,219 / 9,273 / 9,273 / 8,874

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 29%, Threshold: 625
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (144)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 78% (10,701)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Smite (20)
• Shield Bash (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Ucenui's Sphere
• Devotion
• Oceareon
• Oceareon

[bold horizon]

okok let me explain, javelins cost 0 mana, shield bash 0 mana, healing hands 0 mana, smite can be cast at 0 mana, javelins proc smite with idols, smite drains mana pool with fissure.

[winter copper]

you stack crit and electrify at the same time, and also javelin for damage without spiked bombardment is awful and not sure what manifest armor doing there

[rancid lantern]

Does Forge Strike tree (and by that I mean anything that doesn't explicitly mention Forged Weapons) affect Forged Weapons?

E.g. Does Ironbound affect their crit?

[quiet hearth]

unless it specifically states it affects them, it doesnt

[bold horizon]

manifest armor is mostly healing hands movement tech with experimental boots

[winter copper]

well i suggest changing your dps options, what you have will be quite low dps

😓

[viral smelt]

no cd shield bash bros how would you solve mana issues? here is my endgame planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q06ZLrZo

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (67) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,721, Regen: 35/s
▸ Mana: 117, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 50 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 72% / 100% / 38% / 63% / 30% / 95%
▸ EHP: 35,543 / 36,406 / 37,498 / 46,608 / 33,480 / 34,574 / 37,498

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 744
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,490)
▸ Block Chance: 92%, Mitigation: 76% (7,126)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Apocalypse

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (25)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss
• Peak of the Mountain
• Suloron's Step
• Shattered Chains
• Siphon of Anguish
• Omnis
• Phantom Grip

[viral smelt]

i prefer to keep HH to have sustain. maybe i need to drop some stuff for mana regen?

[vivid talon]

HH is free so doesn't seem like a problem. The -3 cost relic is pretty huge, that and some mana regen is enough to spam bash

13 mana per second is very easy to get enough regen for, 20 is harder

[turbid dome]

Inscribed tablet 👍

Or the weaver inscribed tablet 👍

I’d probably use a weaver tablet with meh to bad rolls just cause the implicts + guaranteed stats on it are great

[viral smelt]

totally forgot about the relic. thanks for this

it's definitely way harder to get it with +lvls to shield bash

[vivid talon]

how much is the shield wall doing for you? Those seem like easy points to drop until you can get the +levels

[turbid dome]

Is shield bash’s AOE big enough without it?

[vivid talon]

subjectively, yes. It's a chunky cone

more is good but doesn't feel that important IMO

[viral smelt]

idk how good shield wall is since i haven't tried it at all. i'm just going with number go up

[turbid dome]

Ah, I should use shield bash more

[viral smelt]

i have only used it for the +crit on next melee. pairing it with judgment

[winged pulsar]

Is there an option other than abyssal echoes in that build? Seems a bit off

[turbid dome]

the +crit is super nice, I did the ignite shield bash with flame drinker last cycle

[river remnant]

do you have a planner for this? came here to see if anyone was planning something around this item found your post

[gusty abyss]

WIP: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXrVXZEQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (26) / Void Knight (62) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 3,277, Regen: 122/s
▸ Mana: 103, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 55 Vit
▸ Resistances: 101% / 84% / 70% / 87% / 89% / 72% / 72%
▸ EHP: 11,704 / 11,704 / 11,094 / 15,732 / 11,704 / 11,309 / 11,309

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 128%, Threshold: 725
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,526)
▸ Block Chance: 75%, Mitigation: 45% (1,660)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (23)
• Void Cleave (23)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Atrophy
• Siphon of Anguish
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Face of the Mountain

[river remnant]

thanks man!

[gusty abyss]

Alt WIP: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q06ZJXPo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (35) / Void Knight (63) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,659, Regen: 122/s
▸ Mana: 113, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 31 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 55 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 99% / 85% / 78% / 89% / 72% / 72%
▸ EHP: 9,619 / 9,619 / 9,619 / 16,082 / 9,619 / 9,293 / 9,293

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 802
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,216)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (22)
• Void Cleave (23)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Atrophy
• Siphon of Anguish
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Anchor of Oblivion

[gusty abyss]

Solving mana while going block route is a challange

[turbid dome]

theres always future mind

dont

[quasi totem]

Do you think minion forgeguard works better going physical or ignite? Especially with some of the passive changes I can see it going either way, although ignite looks like passive points might be stretched so thin you would have to give up some other stuff. There is a lot of ignite support in their skills though.

[pearl geyser]

you can still do the build where you just stack bleed and ignite on manifest armour and shoot shields at it for tons of stacks right?

[winged pulsar]

Yes

[pearl geyser]

yah that sounds fun

[winged pulsar]

The buff to cyclone of war on manifest armor looks juicy. I’d be surprised if that isn’t in the top FG moo ion builds

[spark monolith]

Can echos proc on hit effects like magma shards?

[gusty abyss]

So euh, you will have over 10k block effectivenes? For over +500 damage? Mmmm

[cerulean dome]

Aight bois I'm on vacation and only have my phone

Shield bash double shield thorns build . Can it work now ?

[viral smelt]

yea thats the plan 😄

[solid mica]

are the fg buffs good? its been a while since ive played and ive been thinkin about playing it. does it fix sentinel's apparently low ehp?

[pearl geyser]

in the Forge Strike tree, does the increase to boss damage from Goliath Strike also affect the Forged weapon damage or just the strike?

[viral smelt]

capped block = 150% more damage

[wary tapir]

So do you go crit or not with shield bash?

[abstract edge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A26wj0nA feedback on a fire minion forge guard build? idea is to spin around with warpath to summon weapons and hit with ring of shields' fire aura while manifest armor does the same thing. gearwise, i only setup rares with good affixes and no idols.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (77) / Paladin (16)

General:

▸ Health: 1,545, Regen: 30/s
▸ Mana: 268, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 32 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 80% / 80% / 101% / 97% / 66% / 104%
▸ EHP: 4,827 / 4,827 / 4,827 / 6,364 / 4,827 / 4,409 / 4,827

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 354
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,312)
▸ Block Chance: 54%, Mitigation: 49% (1,931)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Manifest Armor (24)
• Forge Strike (24)
• Ring Of Shields (24)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Logi's Hunger
• Phantom Grip

[twilit valley]

I really like this ring

[quasi totem]

Yea, you can still do the manifest armor shield spam thing, but I far prefer to use the forged weapons as the main minion. Problem is picking between burn and physical right now.

And yea, I love that new ring ❤️ not 100% sure if I can use it for my build, would have to give up warpath with auto-smite, but auto-sigil might be really nice too...smites a ton of healing though. Hard :

[turbid dome]

the free cast is a bonus, I love the +12 seconds to its duration

[twilit valley]

I already have my and game build worked out .. I think will be a fun season and will probably put in another 1000 hrs into the new season

[quiet hearth]

use the new auto smite sword

[twilit valley]

Hopefully COF drops me a lp3-4 , got a few nice lp4 rings last season

[twilit valley]

Which sword

I like this new weapon

[low shoal]

This is EXACTLY what I was looking to do too lol should feel pretty darn good

[quasi totem]

@quiet hearth But in a build based on forged weapons, wont that sword be kinda terrible? Unless they ALL start spamming smite lol

[quiet hearth]

Hey you wanted to fit in smite somehow lol

[twilit valley]

What corruption did everyone get with the season about to end

I stopped pushing around 1500

[turbid dome]

with or without warding hands

[quasi totem]

I mean yes, but it's not strictly needed. I could, in theory, drop manifest armor. Have ring of shields, smite, and sigil of hope all on auto cast.

[twilit valley]

With for me

[turbid dome]

lets gooo

I was about to be terrifed if you said without

[spark monolith]

I did 900 with ignite warpath FG

[twilit valley]

Yeah I switched to smite at 800 corruption and flew to 1500 , very OP smite last season

[turbid dome]

smite was super fun

[twilit valley]

Excited to see how long it takes to find everything I need for new season and mess around with new build . I get bored after 1 hour now cause my builds too strong

Patch came in perfect time for me

Hopefully no new bugs

[turbid dome]

I'm super tempted to plan a build around this silly armor

tho it would probably work better with the new endurance applies to mana hat, on a sorc

[twilit valley]

I’ll pass on this since I need 50 + attunement and intelligence for my build . Unless I get the stats I need I’ll try new armor but I’ll probably stick to core armor again

[winged pulsar]

I was having a hard time justifying this thing on sentinel. You pretty much gotta go a healing hands channeled or AS route. Near impossible to run any int for retention and health on top of all the core damage stuff. But if you figure it out lmk.

[tribal crane]

that hat alone is so crazy good it's hard to pass on it for any lifebased build that can sustain mana well

[vivid talon]

if it ends up being best on sentinel or rogue because they have the best mana recovery that will be funny

[winged pulsar]

You gonna try dual wield this time and off hand palarus? I had your build early last cycle and you don’t especially need extra smites since cause you got lightning colts. Curious on what you’d change.

[pearl geyser]

does manifest armour get the benefit of procs from items? like if you equipped wing guard hands would it get the haste on hit?

[turbid dome]

I was thinking bear druid with it, mostly cause druid gets a crap ton of endurance threshold for free

am going to try to get it working on sentinel

[vivid talon]

Wait how does it work with rage

[turbid dome]

not the endurance to mana hat, just the chest armor

[vivid talon]

oh sorry

[turbid dome]

all good, I'm like allergic to typing in the items actual names

[twilit valley]

Not sure , I’ll probably mess around with whatever I find to start .

Everyone here will solo to 100 or better to team up to start ?

[winged pulsar]

Only sentinel build I could think of to use helm and chest would be a direct smite build with all the mana gain on smite stuff. But again was hard to sort out good damage still. Would make devotion amulet awkward.

[vivid talon]

I don't think you could reasonably do devotion with it yeah

doesn't have to be smite though even, rive works

[turbid dome]

rive looks great, as long as you dont care about the 3rd hit crit thing

[winged pulsar]

Ya any of the non cooldown +mana skills could work and just HH to them. I just hate melee stuff like rive unless they have insane aoe

[vivid talon]

honestly same

but objectively it sounds great

[turbid dome]

I love scrap metal, makes getting foe cleaver on rive so much better

[vivid talon]

presumably the way to do mana helmet smite is just to use smite as HH delivery rather than its own damage

And then attunement stack

[winged pulsar]

But then you gotta solve the aoe problem. Maybe go lightning version of smite

Or dual wield palarus in oh I guess. But seems like a waste if you’re going attune

[viral smelt]

this might also work well with primalist + maelstrom + mountain boots

[turbid dome]

true

I have gone back to working on my back2basics vk

[winged pulsar]

Pretty much all the classic VK melee builds are just straight up buffed. Can’t go wrong there.

[turbid dome]

heres my back2basics VK, (no exalted/legendaries) can someone look at it and tell me if I'm being dumb

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRz8XRxo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (36) / Void Knight (77)

General:

▸ Health: 3,145, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 178, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 70 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 75% / 75% / 67% / 110% / 97% / 70%
▸ EHP: 6,485 / 6,842 / 6,842 / 10,000 / 6,842 / 6,842 / 6,516

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 629
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,483)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Erasing Strike (22)
• Rebuke (22)
• Lunge (20)

Used unique items:

• Apostate's Sanctuary
• Apathy's Maw
• Darkstride

[turbid dome]

the simple idea is void cleave -> they get 12 time rot -> remove them from life with erasing strike. Rive to get mana back, Lunge to find more mobs. Rebuke to tank big attacks

[pearl geyser]

if you use https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCswDgZiA with manifest armour and have the Iron Grasp node (glove effect at 240%) does that mean your MA would convert 240% of bleed chance to ignite?

[turbid dome]

thats a good question

man I love vitality

[quiet hearth]

I dont know where Im going with this, I just know it's gonna take awhile to get there

[turbid dome]

event horizon?

[quiet hearth]

Ye, with warpath, and that is only 7 stacks lol

[turbid dome]

go get em

[quiet hearth]

I cant xD

[turbid dome]

darn

[quiet hearth]

Granted I have no boots ect, so it will get better

[turbid dome]

If I had that on my vk I'm planning I'd be at 0% movespeed

[quiet hearth]

I am also currently at -44% AS

[turbid dome]

good heavens

[quiet hearth]

So I spin once every.....8s if Im mathing right

[turbid dome]

I kinda want to see what that looks like

[quiet hearth]

I'm gonna build it at some point this cycle, I just gotta plan accordingly

[winter copper]

why would u ever play event horizon as warpath and not as channeled healing hands

[turbid dome]

spin!

[quiet hearth]

For the memes

[winter copper]

channeling healing hands is a spin too

[turbid dome]

dang

spin!

[winter copper]

but it ignores all the downsides of the hammer since has fixed speed

[quiet hearth]

it doesnt spin

[winter copper]

it does?

have you tried channeling node+melee conversion?

[quiet hearth]

It has a melee arc that swings randomly, that isn't spinning

[winter copper]

umm the model of the sentinel is literally spinning when you hold the button

😅

[quiet hearth]

because the model turns during the animation of it switching sides, it's not actually spinning

However the idea of sentinel essentially seizuring his way through enemies is entertaining

You essentially are just like, Rayeh take the hammer

[winter copper]

it does not, the guy literally spins with the same speed in the same direction, just the hits go around in different direction

[quiet hearth]

My dude, I have seen it and this is literally what the game files says, we'll just agree to disagree

[winter copper]

ave you seen people using it with channeling node or without, cause there is a big difference

[quiet hearth]

so I think I'm at like...180ish phys pen

Defense is gonna be painful, maybe null portent and overstacking resists

[turbid dome]

simply get the two highest level sentiel armor bases

assuming you have like any strength

armor 👍

[quiet hearth]

considering Im str stacking, but that less dmg taken from null is really good

[turbid dome]

true

[quiet hearth]

and resists are pretty easy to get

[turbid dome]

but also like 80% dmg reduction from armor

[quiet hearth]

I'll have to tinker with both to see which works better. But I also have somewhat decent block due to warpath as well.

[turbid dome]

fair

[quiet hearth]

I expect nothing from this but it definitely is funny to think about and occupy me until patch day

[turbid dome]

thats the best kind of strat

[quiet hearth]

there is that new ring that says you get 10% less dmg taken if you have 180 stats

[turbid dome]

Red Ring's been there since Beta 0.9

[quiet hearth]

oops, point still stands though

[turbid dome]

its there but don't plan on getting one (anywhere close to cycle start)

[quiet hearth]

Oh no, this ignorant build is like end of cycle

[turbid dome]

ah

[quiet hearth]

oh wow the null armor goes up to 20% less

[turbid dome]

its a super nice armor

[quiet hearth]

So you need what, 130% resists to cap the less dmg taken?

[turbid dome]

115% res for each res

[quiet hearth]

that is super easy to get

[turbid dome]

yeah

since its 1% per 2% res, 20% cap

granted you probably don't need like poison to be at 115%

[quiet hearth]

So 20% from the body, 10% from the ring, 70% armor mit, 30% block with 1200 effectiveness

[turbid dome]

get 2 red rings

[quiet hearth]

Looking at orians sun seal to auto cast sigils

[turbid dome]

ah

[quiet hearth]

So quick and dirty, since the builder isnt factoring some things in, 25k ish ehp I think

[turbid dome]

counter point: vig stacking vk with way cheaper gear has 22k-ish ehp

[quiet hearth]

Sure, but Im building this for fun not effectiveness

[turbid dome]

true

what amulet are you using?

and does your build use a spell

[quiet hearth]

melee hits casting HH

but just rando amulet

[turbid dome]

apostate's sanctuary time

[quiet hearth]

it's about the same ehp actually

[turbid dome]

darn

[quiet hearth]

The other goofy idea is Forge strike w/anvil node with bonk

[turbid dome]

how slow is that attack going to be with 10 stacks on event horizon

[quiet hearth]

AS would be eventually

But the stacks last until you evade, so if you dont evade it is all good

[turbid dome]

shield rush stocks are up

[quiet hearth]

You're not gonna be pushing corruption to high lvls but still pretty funny. Especially when you crit because FG has that bonus crit multi equal to str

[turbid dome]

might make for a nice bosser

[quiet hearth]

Boss cant have ward it it's one shot

[turbid dome]

this guy gets it

[quiet hearth]

Though the new uber axe is likely better

[turbid dome]

hell invest more points in VK for more crit multi

[quiet hearth]

I'd need to get crit waaaay up though, but

[winter copper]

the only issue with that armor that its maximum 1-2 lp, more than that is unrealistic, but maybe someone gets lucky

[quiet hearth]

I build without LP

Just to make it more realistic but you are correct, but even those 1-2lp would make huge differences, as would t7 affixes

[turbid dome]

#critWithoutCritChanceGang

[quiet hearth]

this is just a rough draft to see how the numbers worked out.

VK would be infinitely better

wait...what about Rive Lacerate

200% of your added melee dmg over 3s

[turbid dome]

VK looses points for me because event horizon is a hammer

no void cleave for funny Erasing strikes

[quiet hearth]

That new mace that extends ravaging aura tho

shame converting VK to fire doesnt change the aura

[winter copper]

Chatters are cooked here

[turbid dome]

Am I missing any vigor (without getting exalted items)

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYkDz5DQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (34) / Void Knight (74) / Forge Guard (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,621, Regen: 153/s
▸ Mana: 103, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 54 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 85 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 75% / 60% / 104% / 110% / 112% / 85%
▸ EHP: 9,131 / 9,633 / 8,341 / 17,502 / 9,633 / 9,633 / 9,633

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 724
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,570)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ Void Essence (3/3), Void Aegis

Used skills:

• Rive (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Erasing Strike (22)
• Rebuke (22)
• Lunge (20)

Used unique items:

• Apostate's Sanctuary
• Apathy's Maw
• Darkstride

[turbid dome]

huh the pop up has the wrong max hp

[chilly ferry]

Hello,

Dear Sentinels,

What do you think?

Are they going to nerf Iva Markova's HH build? (you know which one).

[quiet hearth]

if it's not in the patch notes then nothing else has changed to my knowledge

[chilly ferry]

Yep, only the Ward chabges, but this is fine.

[quiet hearth]

It's kinda funny that the new 2h crit nodes in FG are in the first half, which means VK isgonna steal them lol

[chilly ferry]

A lot of changes towards VK and 2H. I like them

[waxen nymph]

Dmg per Heal Effect was reduced
Ward Generation was cut down tremendously

[winged pulsar]

Immolators belt nerf too.

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[winter copper]

nope its damage was also halved

it was just forgotten in patchnotes, but now u get flat dmg per 20% heal effect not 10%

[quiet hearth]

I completely forgot erasing strike got a 2h mace node

[devout sierra]

this change is honestly the worst. I was looking at a divine bolt build and its like "damn my damage will fall off a cliff" the base heal amount was also cut in half. Which does matter when you use something like twisted heart to make it so you always shoot bolts.

[quiet hearth]

I mean it was broken in half, it's still going to be usable

[devout sierra]

Well I dunno the bolt build was kinda meme imo. I think it will be exist mostly as what it was before but worse, which is just a boring shoe horn into every build as move skill/proc skill.

[winter copper]

depends, it wasnt hitting hard in the first place and after belt/skill nerfs

it might be hitting 4-5 k in endgame

[quiet hearth]

uh huh

[waxen nymph]

The Ward was problematic, the Dmg not so much imo

[chilly ferry]

Yep.

[waxen nymph]

But there have been a lot of Dmg nerf everywhere, they are trying to put everything in line

[turbid dome]

chuckles in void knight

[quiet hearth]

I mean, we've had plenty of damage for a long time

[cerulean sorrel]

part of it is how broken volatile reversal is

[winter copper]

we will see but ill bet holy bolts will cap out at 5-7k crits on mobs

[chilly ferry]

Yep less DMG and stronger mobs.

[chilly ferry]

This for sure.

Bosses will be harder. Multi dmg's build is needed. The mad Alchemist might be more useful.

[quiet hearth]

We dont know how bosses will be because of the changes to their formulas

[winter copper]

bosses will be easier on a lot of builds but holy bolts aint one ofthem

[devout sierra]

maybe ailment is the play

[chilly ferry]

😄 yep

[turbid dome]

wait does holy bolt apply aliments

[winter copper]

it does, question is if it spreads or not

which i doubt

[chilly ferry]

I don't think they spreads. But each Holy bolts aplly or have chance.. ?? yes??

[winter copper]

most likely need to ask mike

[devout sierra]

i tried it a bit, dunno if it spreads, but even if it does, not being able to get tons of electrify chance from... anywhere made it way worse then hit

[jagged cosmos]

have we decided if forgeguard is a meme still

[devout sierra]

the smite proccing hh version gets smite which has electrify conversion stuff. HH bolts basically just get 100% nothing else

[chilly ferry]

The Forge guy will be something, but we will see what.

It will be Fun 🙂

[honest flume]

FG has some juicy new nodes

[cerulean dome]

On vacation so being on phone sucks. If I wanna go sent for league start what got the better buffs or most buffs. FG or VK

[turbid dome]

I love a 5 point dip into FG for void knight

[waxen nymph]

Every sentinel does
VR is just that strong

[cerulean dome]

I prefer not using VR. Clunky mechanic.

[chilly ferry]

VR unfortunally is too OP... We need to use it.

[waxen nymph]

I prefer having 60-180% More Dmg + 30% As + get my Mana back

[cerulean dome]

Yes well it isn't fun to use so I avoid it.

Quite possibly the worst skill in any arpg imo. Let's rubberband the player on purpose "b b b but you can just wait 2 seconds" ok then rework it so I don't have to

[chilly ferry]

😄 Twinkle you are making me wrinkle.

[cobalt rapids]

Vacation got you all worked up on a skill lol

[cerulean sorrel]

if they ever nerf VR they would just end up having to buff every single sentinel skill

[vivid talon]

sounds like a good deal

[cerulean dome]

Pretty sure I used it once and audibly laughed and ignored it til all the meta builds used it so gave it a real shot and said I'd rather just not be meta

[cobalt rapids]

Luckily there's plenty of other skills for you to use!

[cerulean sorrel]

its just bad design, but there is a rason everyone is doing it

its like melee totems in PoE

[devout sierra]

My fear is they will nerf it(as they should) but not really compensate enough, and take a base class that is already kinda memed on, and have it be even more memed on.

like its so much stronger then even just it feels at a glance, because it can stack, so for DoT skills just a single use with even half baked positioning is 180% damage taken on bosses, do we really think they are gonna remove VR buffs and get holy trail 180% raw damage? nah if we are lucky holy trail will get 50% more damage, then be dead as heck cause VR is gone 😔

[cerulean dome]

I'm surprised there any 1.1 builds on letools

[cobalt rapids]

I mean it's not like Sentinel as a whole is OP. Just take a look at the last video posted here of the rogue doing corrupt 8k + lol

[bright nest]

Any big builds using smelters or forge strike coming out of the patchnotes?

[turbid dome]

Smelters could be funny with event horizon

[chilly ferry]

Builds shall come. There will be some nasty freaks figure out the meta.

[devout sierra]

that would be a pretty decent use for it all things considered since as far as I know smelters does not use attack speed for its charging mechanic.

it simply has a baseline charge time that scales with increased aoe

[turbid dome]

Would forged weapons made with event horizon in your hand get their own stacks

[winter copper]

thats literally what they said they gonna do in 1.2

[vivid talon]

to paraphrase Mike, only simple stats work when inherited by minions. Event horizon's stuff doesn't seem very simple

[turbid dome]

That makes sense

[vapid badge]

3/5 Axe Thrower(Sentinel) and 4/6 Shield Breaker(FG) is gonna be my base for all Sentinel melee builds. Automated fire/phys shred

[turbid dome]

Can you get void shred on that

[vapid badge]

Idk the sources of void shred available

Just wanted to share out loud the interaction of the chance to throw axe node with the throwing attacks shred phys/fire resist node

[turbid dome]

[zenith blaze]

hey guys, (your average uninformed casual noob gamer here) I was wondering if hammerdin will be good this patch?

[cerulean sorrel]

@vapid badgeso thats 12 mana gone every time an axe comes out?

[vapid badge]

Yeah but I never really had mana problems as a sentinel. Most of their abilities can be made free/are free

Time and Faith node exists too

[cerulean sorrel]

I am going shield bash, guess I cant utilize it

i think thats a 9mana cost +15%

[turbid dome]

I dont think they nerfed anything about hammerdin

I could be stupid tho

[zenith blaze]

no but did they buff hammerdin

was kind of bad last patch

[devout sierra]

depends on what kinda hammerdin we talking

if we talking smite proc on hammers? its def nerfed

essentially is 5 smites/sec now, you can get way more under many circumstances thanks to how much hammers hit

if we are just talking toss hammers to do bonk damage, yeah its slightly buffed/mostly unchanged

heck its actually 10 per 2 seconds, which depending on how thats coded, might feel extra bad

cause you can hit the first monster really fast blowing all 10 smites, then you sit there for 1 second no smites

Now smite on shield throw might actually be pretty good. cause shield throw always had issues getting lots of hits, so the low proc rate kinda sucked, now that with well rolled idols you can get 100%, hitting 5 smites a second on shields should be pretty easy, and you can benefit from all of shield throws juicy defensive stuff!

[cerulean sorrel]

were people even hitting more than 5 smites a second with hammerdin on single target?

[devout sierra]

probably not, but def during clearing yeah

[cerulean sorrel]

yeah for clear its a nerf

it looks like a buff for single target

[turbid dome]

convert shield throw to void and do the funny +100 void damage with void cleave

[quiet hearth]

Hmm, what about bonk hammer with vengeance, where you spec into riposte and iron daggers and grab the base sentinel retribution skill. Since retribution doesnt care about AS and it hits every .2s

[pearl geyser]

can manifest armor gain stacks from eye of reen?

[quiet hearth]

I dont think so

[turbid dome]

to paraphrase what someone paraphrased to me earlier, they can only inherient simple stats from your items

[quiet hearth]

That yes, I have not slept enough to be helpful it seems

[turbid dome]

coffee

[quiet hearth]

hate it, that and I need to be up fairly early so no caffine tonight

[turbid dome]

fair enough

[quiet hearth]

Noooo, the new FG 2h crit multi node was update to be 2:1

[pearl geyser]

what is the default button for evade?

[quiet hearth]

space

[haughty canopy]

guess hh is done for now..

what to make for new season?

[turbid dome]

void cleave to get 12 time rots on a target -> erasing strike

[vapid badge]

Healing Hands is still very strong

[turbid dome]

that too, its just not a one stop shop for most of your defense

[vapid badge]

^

[turbid dome]

also shout out to the invulnerability node for lunge when fighting lagon

love that node

[vapid badge]

One thing I wanted to try that I didn't think it was worth this cycle is Ring of Shields+HH Traversal+Experimental Teleport Minions on Traversal. With the CD recovery on ally heal and Valiant Charge Sentinel node, you can just keep healing hands dashing everywhere for extra zoom

Can try to go a weird autobomber with the fire aura shields but idk if that will be good enough

[jagged cosmos]

Bleed Hammer got nerfed by proxy

Cleaver Solution got nerfed

[turbid dome]

ah

[winter copper]

it got giga buffed with 75% bleed chance from fg

so not nerfed at all even with cleaver changes

[jagged cosmos]

I forgot about that

losing the more damage multiplier does suck

[bright nest]

Anyone seeing a way for a comfy playstyle with decent clear / st on forge guard. I can't help but ending up having to commit to good ST or AOE

granted I'm trying to use forge strike

[spare gale]

Is the new forge guard rings that applies stats, will it still apply the "you can't crit" from wing guards to the minions?

[haughty canopy]

Hmm guess I'll go with vc/es vk next season

Start with rive or hammers though

[bright nest]

is there a good way to use the necro damage on the phantom ring ?

or is it just flavour damage

[turbid dome]

yay timerot gaming

[winged pulsar]

if your minions arent full hp

[haughty canopy]

Alwayd

[hot basin]

Hello, im planning on rolling sentinel next season and put together some home brew build. I want very simple build and went with only erasing strike and replanish mana through passive (hopefully). My question is though, are there any glaring mistakes like missing affixes or items? Thx.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYkDnN4Q

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (72) / Forge Guard (20)

General:

▸ Health: 4,216, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 410, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 56 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 76% / 80% / 99% / 89% / 78% / 96%
▸ EHP: 14,024 / 14,024 / 14,024 / 23,117 / 14,024 / 14,024 / 14,024

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 913
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (6,012)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Shattered Chains
• Siphon of Anguish
• Siphon of Anguish
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Titan Heart

[turbid dome]

are you planning on running void cleave?

[hot basin]

Nope, only erasing strike

[turbid dome]

[hot basin]

And get mana from void well

[tribal crane]

first things first, you don't need vitality for anything since you are going bonk full melee

so on gear, those vitality stats, change them to str, and on boots get movement speed as another prefix

i would change erasing strike tree abit but it's most likely just preference.

in regards to blessings i would take crit multi instead of void res shred from black sun

with anomaly have enough void res shred against bosses and normal monos u should pretty much 1shot enemies anyway

[hot basin]

Alright, thanks. Do you think my dmg is enough or should I find more damage sources?

[quiet hearth]

If you're bonking, the hammer is likely better, simply because it has triple the damage on it.

[hot basin]

Tbh im very interested in this new hammer, event horizon or whatever it was called

[turbid dome]

got the name right

[waxen nymph]

Imo flavour, but you could lean into it with Apogee and do Cold/Necro Forged Weapons

[inland quarry]

with the event horizon, i thought i was only doing 3 million dummy dps with my theorycraft because i assumed everything had 75% all resists and 10,000 armor. So i didn't include penetration or shreds in the dummy dps.

[quiet hearth]

the hammer cares not for resistances

[inland quarry]

turns out nothing has resists or armor lol.

unless stated so.

turned out high end ATTAINABLE build was doing 9 mill dps on dummy, or over 900k real dps

[quiet hearth]

where are you getting these numbers?

[inland quarry]

perfect gear pushes it to over 1.3 million, but perfect will never happen.

[gusty abyss]

void knights initial passive was changed to grant more melee void damage based on vitality. You will stack it with any melee skill.

[inland quarry]

I take every node, every passive, every multiplier, every shred on all gear and plug in the numbers.

on an excel sheet

[quiet hearth]

you mean pen? because the hammer has a huge amount of pen on it

[inland quarry]

yea, i think smite hammer builds dps got tripled. it's going to be insane.

with the old build, using the perfect idols you would average 1 smite per throw.

[quiet hearth]

??? bonk hammer doesnt work on smite or hammer throw

[inland quarry]

oh the bonk hammer build i was talking about isn't hammer throw

[quiet hearth]

I figure bonk hammer and echoing erasing strike is gonna be silly on bosses

[inland quarry]

yea it is. but i can't figure out how to sustain mana.

[quiet hearth]

I dont think you can lol

you bonk, you reverse, you bonk, you wait

[inland quarry]

if you have to use other skills to gain mana, that means your real dps is a lot lower

[quiet hearth]

I mean with bonk youre gonna be worrying about avg hit more than dps I feel

[inland quarry]

but with healing hands you'd get a constant 900k real dps. i mean you're not gonna get 900k dps right away, you'd probably have to grind away for that, but realistically you'd probably be in the 400-500k dps range until you get the gear.

healing hands channeled bypasses the 'less attack speed' modifier

[turbid dome]

Pure attack speed rive + base sentinel passive for mana when using rive + affix -> gets your 10 hamer stacks while recharging mana -> go big erasing strike bonk time ?

[quiet hearth]

I've been tinkering with the idea of using the counter attack node, since it has a CD of .2s, using vengeance, basically skipping the slow AS

does reflect count as attacking?

[inland quarry]

nope

[quiet hearth]

didnt think so, but you'd want anything that can attack on it's own without you doing anything

[inland quarry]

the devs told me that the bonk hammer dilation buff doesn't expire unless you evade. no countdown.

[clear ledge]

Is rive HH dead

[inland quarry]

try smite HH

smite can also trigger HH

and with the devotion and smite tree alone, that's 75% increased casting speed

[clear ledge]

So it is dead?

[quiet hearth]

Oh yeah, you could throw in melee HH too, since it would trigger off of all your retaliation skills

[inland quarry]

HH by itself without the bonk hammer is dead imo.

[gusty abyss]

No it wont, you need to use the skill directly and hit with it

[inland quarry]

they nerfed the dmg by half and forgot to put it on patch notes.

[clear ledge]

I used to use a rive HH ward build

[quiet hearth]

well, you'd still be triggering it with vengeance

[inland quarry]

it's a shame triggered attacks can't be echoed

[clear ledge]

What's a bonk hammer

[inland quarry]

the new event horizon mace

[quiet hearth]

the new 2h mace event horizon

You get so slow you swing once per fiscal year

[clear ledge]

Hahahaha

[inland quarry]

i don't think rive HH would work with event horizon, because the event horizon also slows down rive

but it doesn't slow smite

[clear ledge]

So stacking healing effectiveness and using rive HH ward is dead?

[quiet hearth]

I actually thought about shatterstrike EH, because of the extra repeats

It's not dead, it's just not broken in half anymore

[turbid dome]

^

[inland quarry]

yea, they cut healing effective dmg in half

[clear ledge]

Rip

[inland quarry]

the node used to give 2 flat dmg per 10% healing effectiveness, now it's just 1 flat per 10%

[clear ledge]

Warpath looks fun tho now that u can regen mana

[inland quarry]

yea, mana regen on channeled skills opens up a lot of things with warpath

[quiet hearth]

I dont think it will change WP that much, becuase it also added the 8 base cost, so you'd have to be scaling mana regen

[inland quarry]

like smite warpath or something

[turbid dome]

You could regen mana beforehand with it

[gusty abyss]

Only with a 2h though....

[turbid dome]

But that ate a lot of skill points

That too

[quiet hearth]

You just took the man red nodes in my experience

I mean, how much mana regen do you need in order to recover 18 mp/s

[clear ledge]

It's 18 now?

Damn

[quiet hearth]

like 120%?

[gusty abyss]

225%

[quiet hearth]

oof

[inland quarry]

nah it's 120%

[turbid dome]

Reckless spin time

[gusty abyss]

well, excluding base regen

[quiet hearth]

ok, so 120 is doable

[inland quarry]

yea your base regen is 8, so they added 8 to make regen effectively 0 if you channel without any extra regen.

[quiet hearth]

Hmm, you could go dodge/ward based and use Telf'ns to regain mana on dodge

[inland quarry]

so if you get 100% regen, you could channel and still gain 8 mana per sec.

[quiet hearth]

Remember all channel skills got an extra +8 mana to the base cost, so warpath costs 18 mana/s now

[inland quarry]

you can make it cost only 8 with the mana cost nodes

[gusty abyss]

only 2, total of -16

[quiet hearth]

yeah but that's a lot of points, trying to work around it

[inland quarry]

they made the math so that literally nothing has changed. only the fact that you can now regen mana

[winter copper]

you said it like three times and no it is not dead just needs more gear now

[inland quarry]

while channeling

[gusty abyss]

there is a change for warpath, before -16 cost on 10 cost is 0, now -16 on 18 cost equals 2.

[quiet hearth]

I mean, code of an erased sent takes -3 off, and that fits in almost every build

[gusty abyss]

No it doesnt, that is melee attack cost, not channel cost

[quiet hearth]

hell just the base table

oh yeah I forgot how that goes, fml I need sleep

[gusty abyss]

it doesnt even work to lower warpaths 1 melee cost to 0 for proccing divine bolt idols

[final junco]

Quite new to the game and figured i'd give it a try to make my own build for 1.1 for a change. It's probably really really bad but could someone take a quick look at it in case im missing something really important? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGDzb52o

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (6) / Forge Guard (72) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,313, Regen: 32/s
▸ Mana: 129, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 11 Dex / 1 Int / 14 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 24% / 24% / 35% / 16% / 3% / 3%
▸ EHP: 4,063 / 2,691 / 2,691 / 3,324 / 2,555 / 2,362 / 2,362

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 263
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,661)
▸ Block Chance: 57%, Mitigation: 68% (4,337)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (24)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Forge Strike (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection
• Horns of Uhkeiros

[quiet hearth]

that's weird becuase it should

But let's see, augury plate is 30,arcane bracers 20, two sapphire rings is 20, so 70% before affixes, 130 is easily gotten

[gusty abyss]

Mmm, if you want to recover warpath mana without spending points in reduced cost, you probably want to consider the % reduced channeling cost affix.

[quiet hearth]

I forgot that existed

that is weird, it's not showing in letools

[gusty abyss]

its on helm, prefix, channel cost

[quiet hearth]

suffix or prefix?

[clear ledge]

My biggest problem with warpath VK is you kill enemies after having spun past them

And therefore you'd have to backtrack for loot

Lol

[winged pulsar]

Yep

[gusty abyss]

yeah

[clear ledge]

Maybe I'll make a non echo based warpath

[winged pulsar]

Healing hands. More like… healing DED

[winged pulsar]

Play pala or FG.

[clear ledge]

Warpath smite for pala, what's fun in fg?

[hazy schooner]

is there anybuild I can dual shields in 1.1?

[quiet hearth]

FG just got a fat load of crit multi for 2h so there is that

[winter copper]

copium

[winter copper]

maybe i missed it where?

[quiet hearth]

champion of the forge 1 crit multi per 2 str

the synergy for it

[winter copper]

hmm sounds really op considering vk gets more crit multi from 1 passive than fg with 100+ str

🤔

[gusty abyss]

not exactly 1 passive though

[quiet hearth]

It's an extra 50 cri multi, that is nothing to sneeze atm and its on a crit node you'd likely take anyway.

[winged pulsar]

I never run crit in my builds. Makes the game too easy

[winter copper]

i see that passive most likely will be used on 2h vk builds

[quiet hearth]

It got changed because the patch notes said it was 1:1 for awhile

[winter copper]

as for 2h fg ehh maybe people make some smelter or fs builds

[quiet hearth]

nah, you grab bonk hammer and spin at the speed of smell

[gusty abyss]

bonk hammer and spin wont work, just like spin does not proc healing hands

[quiet hearth]

it absolutely will work

[gusty abyss]

spam clicking it? xD

[quiet hearth]

stacks dont disappear, you'd use another skill to prime

I'm not saying it's the be all of builds, I just think it'd be funny, because the static multi on that thing is stupid

[gusty abyss]

warrior fury warslash shenanigans?

[quiet hearth]

lol, the warrior fury would be dumb when stacked that is uh.....250% more? and then like...at least 100% phys pen

you spin around once every 2s, but by the gods when you do

wait...the detonate ground node in forge strike...le tools says it has the melee tag...it's an attack not a spell?

[final junco]

Is forge strike good to use on a boss just for the buffs and then use your main dmg skill? Like going down and to the left in it's tree

[quiet hearth]

I mean it can be used for that yes

[bright nest]

could work

[obtuse perch]

Ok so

FG minions gain stats from certain pieces of gear. Which leads me to question, are they affected by attribute affixes?

[fair hollow]

yes they scale with attunement

but it wont double dip on items where they get stats from

same for minion stats

[obtuse perch]

So actually no?

[obtuse perch]

What about shared stats (you and your minions)?

[fair hollow]

they get both if on a piece of equiment that they get stats from

[fair hollow]

they do have atribute scaling, but giving them atributes on gear they get affected by doesnt give it twice

[obtuse perch]

So no?

[fair hollow]

also most non generic affixes on uniques wont work either, like volcanus: "10% chance to cast magma shards on mele hit"

[obtuse perch]

The question is "do the stats affect the minions?" Not "do the stats affect me and then make the minions stronger because I am?".

Because you know, those things don't (necessarily) need to be on a piece of gear that they take stats from.

They probably will end up getting attributes anyway but I just want to make sure the attribute does nothing for the minion (directly).

[fair hollow]

directly they dont

same for minion dmg/hp etc

[obtuse perch]

I mean that just makes sense.

Minions don't have minions.

But what if it's you and your minions? In the wording alone it implies that the minion would get the "you" stats from the gear but then also the "your minions" stats from you.

[fair hollow]

correct

[obtuse perch]

So like, logically, the physical pen for "you and your minions" would apply twice.

[fair hollow]

yes

[obtuse perch]

Neat

And unique mods do count as well? I mean the ones that could logically apply like +crit multi and such?

[fair hollow]

yes most generic stats

Area increases are still bugged

funnily enough there is a unique affix that works for some reason... chance to apply spirit plague on melee hit from the unique shield lifes journey

[obtuse perch]

I guess because it uses the same mechanic as applying other debuffs.

[rancid lantern]

Hey fellas

Im trying to polish my forged weapons starter, any planner doctors wanna take a peek and see if I could improve anything?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWzXNjLA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,029, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 178, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 29 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 144% / 109% / 107% / 93% / 114% / 85% / 73%
▸ EHP: 9,556 / 9,556 / 9,556 / 16,248 / 9,556 / 9,556 / 9,368

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 651
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,467)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (35)
• Multistrike (30)
• Manifest Armor (26)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Void Cleave (26)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Sunforged Cuirass
• Sunforged Greathelm
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Throne of Ambition

[fair hollow]

i would change weapon, chest and helmet

and get more attunement

[hardy forum]

Looks solid to me but shield bash will get too high mana cost, no ?

Especially with the 50% more mana cost from shield

[rancid lantern]

Suggestions on that front? and why more attunement? Just dot mitigations?

[final lantern]

attunement scale your minion dmg too

[fair hollow]

aye and you can get more dot mitigation via armor affixes that affexts dots

[final lantern]

in last cycle i started with full set minion forge guard and i find items enouth to change for shield throw manifest armor,this build where u throw on manifest armor

[rancid lantern]

yea but thats not a super interesting build to me

kinda want to keep it forged weapons centric

[final lantern]

but for me this items what u have its enouth for starter

[rancid lantern]

What would you transition into?

[final lantern]

idk yet but im gona start too minion forge guard

[rancid lantern]

so you think theres something better but dunno what yet? :p

[final lantern]

if u wanna change something change this armor

helmet is very good for defenses

i know u lose +3 to forge strike but its not necesery

[rancid lantern]

Kinda just want to have an idea what to look for upgrades-wise

I figured +6 to melee skills , parry, frenzy should be great on weapons

i can obvs see upgrading the sets

tho

[final lantern]

ye this weapon its op for me

if u got very good roll + Lp it can be the best weapon for minion forge guard

[rancid lantern]

I reckon non-set armor/helm would be something like https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApVbkXLB ?

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,853, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 240, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 57 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 109% / 107% / 93% / 114% / 85% / 73%
▸ EHP: 11,553 / 11,553 / 11,553 / 18,604 / 11,553 / 11,553 / 11,326

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 771
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,688)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (35)
• Multistrike (30)
• Manifest Armor (26)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Void Cleave (26)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Throne of Ambition

[rancid lantern]

Hm yeah that makes sense to me

[mellow willow]

Does Shield Crafter node use Ring of shields mana, when it procs it?

[obtuse perch]

That's the old version.

But yes it usually uses mana.

This is the version it is changing to. Which I assume does not use mana.

Speaking of which.

I'm torn.

Do I use a twohander and only swords and armor. Or do I use a onehander and shield, and also use shields?

That does mean I have 4 out of 5 skill slots spoken for though.

[pearl geyser]

Im gonna try out an ignite MA build with shield cause fg gets some juicy shield stuff and losing the base dmg from 2h to 1h not as big on ignite

[obtuse perch]

What is the point of Fiery Justice? It costs 40 mana and all of your stacks just to cast forge strike?

Can't you just cast forge strike manually?

Although I guess it bypasses the cooldown?

Still can't be combined with Heated Forge since that requires a direct use of Forge Strike.

[pearl geyser]

Yah, doesn't seem great tbh

[obtuse perch]

I guess I might go the shield route. I too am thinking of going all in on ignite.

That gives me just one slot though, which should probably be like healing hands for traversal?

Actually healing hands adds some extra oomph to all my melee attacks.

Because I'm stacking attunement and not strength.

Oh and since it's a minion build, I can use Cloud Voyager.

Something like this for an attunement build?

[bright nest]

whats the playstyle here, just multistrike for days while keeping up the forge strike every 4 seconds for the buffs?

Does anybody know if forge weapons take stats from BOTH weapons if you duel wield or if its just 1 of them

[fair hollow]

both

[bright nest]

might be interesting to figure out how to make that work for forge strike

[obtuse perch]

I mean at base, just equip two weapons and run forge strike.

But I assume you mean to find some kind of synergy there that only dual wielding can achieve?

[fair hollow]

btw for ppl looking into the whirlwind MA, note that it was bugged in 1.0 that it hits enemies only once and there isn't a bug fix in patch notes for it.

[obtuse perch]

MA?

[fair hollow]

Manifest armor

[pearl geyser]

who needs whirlwind when youre dude is spinning around all the time anyway from shield throws

[bright nest]

yeah, or else it is just sword catcher 2h

was wondering about the new ring and apogee

[fair hollow]

cus shield throw MA is so anoying interaction

[obtuse perch]

Hm...

So if I want my forged weapons to reliably inflict ignite I need ignite chance on the weapon since it's not inherent.

[pearl geyser]

yup

[rancid lantern]

think bleed/ignite forged weapons > hit?

[pearl geyser]

i dont

[fair hollow]

hit is alot stronger now you can crit cap them

[obtuse perch]

That being said, I think I'll go DoT.

[bright nest]

Maehlin's Hubris + the new ring?

[waxen nymph]

Dot is cheaper to get going
A Bardiche +Void Cleave and you are good to go

VR for 180% More Dmg

[waxen nymph]

Why Maehlin?

[obtuse perch]

I wonder...

If I'm going ignite.

Maybe I should use Warpath instead of Multistrike?

I don't have enough points to do both forged weapons and ignite. Eugh.

[pearl geyser]

Sacrifice (50% more Smite damage) affects the ignites applied by smite, right?

[obtuse perch]

I guess it's multistrike after all.

Smite can ignite?

[pearl geyser]

yeah its one of the first nodes on it

[obtuse perch]

Hm...

Maybe use that instead of HH? But then I have no traversal.

Maybe I just use idols to stack ignite?

Oh

Nevermind.

Ring of Shields is yet another source of damage over time.

So Manifest Armor would be something like this.

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[pearl geyser]

thought so, thats a spicy modifier

[waxen nymph]

It is, it comes with a hefty hp tax

[pearl geyser]

which is like completely negated if youre running low life, right?

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olYVGGOA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (84) / Paladin (9)

General:

▸ Health: 948, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 135, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 24% / 24% / 50% / 32% / 3% / 3%
▸ EHP: 1,290 / 855 / 855 / 1,069 / 902 / 750 / 750

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 190
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (272)
▸ Block Chance: 11%, Mitigation: 22% (320)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Forge Strike (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

None

[obtuse perch]

This is before gear.

[waxen nymph]

Or any kind of leech

[pearl geyser]

Blinding Flash in the same tree says Smite hits do more damage to blinded, so that would NOT apply to ignites, right?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olYVeXVA How is this for partial gear choice? (Don't mind the legendary, assume it's just an exalt, with an intent to add a legendary there later)

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (84) / Paladin (9)

General:

▸ Health: 1,124, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 151, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 37% / 37% / 50% / 32% / 3% / 3%
▸ EHP: 1,542 / 1,118 / 1,118 / 1,282 / 1,078 / 897 / 897

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 225
▸ Armor Mitigation: 12% (312)
▸ Block Chance: 11%, Mitigation: 22% (320)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Burning Avarice

[solid forge]

I'm doing something similar but with Warpath to summon the weapons. With that said, if they didn't fix the MA whirlwind, I'll probably switch to multistrike as well

I think with warpath you can use instant void cleave to debuff crit on enemies so FW crit more as well, but I'll need to check it out

[teal tinsel]

Fellas i need to know if anyone has cooked up a new forge guard build

[obtuse perch]

I cooked up 3.

Still WIP though

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL50panQ Added some idols.

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (84) / Paladin (9)

General:

▸ Health: 1,124, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 235, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 220% / 78% / 78% / 67% / 49% / 20% / 20%
▸ EHP: 2,375 / 2,375 / 2,375 / 2,405 / 1,878 / 1,527 / 1,527

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 225
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,075)
▸ Block Chance: 52%, Mitigation: 50% (2,030)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Burning Avarice
• Rahyeh's Light

[opal pond]

is there a way to play like poison or bleed Forge Guard ?

[obtuse perch]

Poison isn't likely, but ignite and bleed are there.

My minion build focuses on ignite.

[pearl geyser]

How rare is the fire damage/ignite duration affix?

[opal pond]

ok might go bleed forge guard

[solid forge]

We are, but we won't be able to tell if it really works until patch

[brittle grove]

does someone know if the sacrifice node of smite only work on direct casts, or also with indirect casts (i.e the new 1h sword or the warpath node?
"Smite deals significantly more damage (multiplicative with other modifiers), but Smite consumes a percent of your current health on cast."

[winter copper]

it works always

[brittle grove]

so the triggered smite casts costs health instead of mana? nice.
oh i'm so cooked if my smite voidknight works now xdd

[gusty abyss]

Depends on the trigger, you might still pay mana cost as well

[brittle grove]

as long as the damage modifier applies that is the most important bit, if i have to pay mana after all i do have a work around

the most important bit right now is needing an answer from the devs wether or not the new palarus 1h ( https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCMGYBYDYg ) does up to 6 triggers if dual wielded or stays at 3

[gusty abyss]

its a limit, i fully expect 3

[brittle grove]

i do as well, but hope remains until the end 😄

[winter copper]

just search up channel history

no way you are the first person asking that

[brittle grove]

i did and couldnt find an answer

but also i'm on phone right now so it's a bit wonky

[boreal shuttle]

Hello there. I can't remember the answer : do i have to pay the mana cost upfront when a skill is triggered ?

For example here, shield throw

[scenic gyro]

wdym with upfront

[boreal shuttle]

Do i pay the mana nonetheless ?

[scenic gyro]

yes

[boreal shuttle]

for it so it can be triggered

ok

But it bypasses the cooldown right ? If the skill say it's 4s, and the shield says it's 0.5s, it's 0.5 sec

[scenic gyro]

correct

you'd need to get hit roughly 6 times a second to make use of that internal cooldown though (assuming all hits are blocks)

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah that's a bit much

thanks

[gleaming pulsar]

if I convert multistrike to smite, the initial hit on single target will never be smite, right?

[gusty abyss]

unless you have min 1 charge and deliberately miss your hits

[mystic pollen]

guys guys guys, is this going to work anyhow?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3PZ6kEA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (77) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,379, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 396, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 61 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 70 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 85% / 94% / 97% / 78% / 83% / 82%
▸ EHP: 11,341 / 11,341 / 11,341 / 18,804 / 11,341 / 11,341 / 11,341

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 746
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,095)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Patient Doom, Void Essence (3/3)

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (24)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Shield Rush (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• Siphon of Anguish
• Titan Heart
• Shattered Chains
• The Inevitable
• Anchor of Oblivion

[grand pagoda]

Quick Question guys: Does the "+5% crit strike chance with spears" of the FGs Weapon master work with Sentinels Javelin on throwing? It would need to have "throwing crit Strike" , right?

Just as with the Crit of "Champion of the Forge"?

[gusty abyss]

it should just be +5% base crit for everything when using a spear

[winter copper]

world splitter is such a bait why would you ever use it over beacon??

but yes that will kinda work out, will be clunky tho since you took 3 echo repeats

[winter copper]

if it doesnt specify it apply to everything, this crit applies even to spells

[fervent oriole]

why does 3 echo repeats make it clunky?

[winter copper]

cause they will dump like 300 mana on one use and what are you gonna do after that, all those echoes will hit in the same spot, while screen is full of enemies in other places

how u gonna clear those?

[mystic pollen]

Yea... repeats are maybe an overkill 😛

[winter copper]

and also in monos the first hit will most likely one shot everything

so no point to even have more than 1-2

[turbid dome]

gogo gadget void cleave

[tribal basin]

besides that you cant get the world splitter befor doing the Rayeh Harbinger anyways

[winter copper]

but ye world splitter is big bait imo,if you already mana stacking its just better to use shadow beacon cause its way more damage, world splitter is way more AOE but erasing strike doesnt need that tbh

but playable build still

[tribal basin]

Erasing strike can get aoe from anywhere else nad it would be fine

[winged pulsar]

My friends dad works at EHG and will give me a world splitter level 1

[tribal basin]

your friend dad was also the same person that though Healing Hands was good as it was , see how wrong he was ...
that just made one guy reaching arena rank 1 2 and 4 with basically the same build

[winter copper]

its totally fine and feels great with baseline aoe

[turbid dome]

also if you are doing guaranteed echos, why not take the more damage to injured enemies instead of more damage to full health enemies, the only thing thats gonna survive the first erasing strike is going to be a boss/miniboss

[tribal basin]

only reason i see is to get also the Echos to overlap properly

another thing is , the VK passive now only gives Melee Void damage per Vitality and not just Void damage %

[turbid dome]

we love scaling with MORE damage

see my amazing build strat

[winged pulsar]

Wdym 4. 👀

[tribal basin]

last time i checked someone else was on 3rd

but twas a while back

[winged pulsar]

oh ya, before i did a full run on VK. all 3 above 2k waves now

[vapid badge]

Any thoughts on fire aura ring of shields with the new FG passive nodes

[fair hollow]

you wont get enough dmg for it

no more dmg multipliers

[vapid badge]

There's the node in ring of shields that is a more multiplier but only up to 60%

[fair hollow]

not enough

[obtuse perch]

Healing hands can never scale with strength, right?

And attunement will only ever scale healing effectiveness, not damage, right?

So how is this for a minion build?

Oh here is another question. Say I use multistrike to proc healing hands. Do I now have double chances of inflicting ailments with hits?

Because I attack with both multistrike and healing hands once?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[abstract edge]

i see a lot of forge strike builds with void cleave for the minion buff. is it really insane?

[sullen hollow]

Has anyone worked on an updated minion reflect build for 1.1?

[winter copper]

bruh

[tribal basin]

Is Flat 75 damage for minions insane in your opinion ?

or the 40 Flat damage from Forge Strike

3 Void cleaves with the Node in VC and Darkstrde boots for one extra charge stacks , so that 225 Flat damage for 4 seconds

[wise rune]

this general idea can definitely work but your specific build needs lots of changes, most importantly you should have way way more max mana, since you're essentially operating on only 30% of your mana pool you need high enough max mana that you can be at 30% and use more than one skill before you go negative

[bright nest]

but you do have to VC constantly while keeping up your sigils as well. if were talking about the crit minion forge strike build

[wise rune]

you could maybe also consider building mana spent gained as ward and vessel of strife to get some ward in the build without needing to sacrifice much

[turbid dome]

hmmm

[obtuse perch]

Void cleave affects minion builds?

[turbid dome]

could that build somehow squeeze in the new wall of nothing unique for big ward decay threshold

[mortal jackal]

Can you stun with a channeled skill? For instance if I am channeling healing hands will the damage ticks have a chance to stun or because its not on hit will it not stun?

[wise rune]

yeah i think that could fit

[turbid dome]

yeah its the molten blades passive node node on void cleave

[bright nest]

also makes it a movement skill so you have an extra "dash" which is neat.

[obtuse perch]

Oh no

[solid forge]

FG DW Manifest Armor Warpath work in progress : https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRzPy2No

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Forge Guard (77) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,021, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 151, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 24% / 24% / 75% / 20% / 2% / 2%
▸ EHP: 1,123 / 744 / 744 / 1,147 / 724 / 649 / 649

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 204
▸ Armor Mitigation: 7% (145)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Warpath (20)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Aberroth's Command
• Eye of Reen

[obtuse perch]

I need to see if I can replace healing hands with this.

[fallow crater]

Does Detonating ground benefit from all the damage/scaling nodes for the initial hit in Forge Strike tree? Looking at theory crafting a strengh stacking forge strike build

[obtuse perch]

Because I needed a way to give Ignite to minions but I never thought to look at void cleave.

[solid forge]

You are lucky, that's exactly what I did above

[obtuse perch]

I mean why would I look to void cleave for minion synergy?

[solid forge]

What I do is write key words in search in each skill tree. I checked all Forged Weapon, then I tried minions

[turbid dome]

does dragon flame edict give the ignite chance to your minions or does it only work when you use a minion skill

[bright nest]

its hard to to not pick warpath over multistrike is it.

[obtuse perch]

For forged weapons multi is better tho.

[solid forge]

Multistrike is fine, it's just a different approach

[bright nest]

better how

[bright nest]

I"m still stuck on trying to go crit or fire dot

warpath just seems real smooth but I hate whirlwind effect

[solid forge]

I hesitated to go Multi, but Manock was already working on it, so no point in doubling down

There is also Forge Strike directly

You can turn it into spam skill

[wise rune]

this ring is cool but i don't really get why you would want necrotic damage on forged weapons, has anyone come up with any ideas for that?

[fallow crater]

Combine with Frozen Apogree maybe?

[solid forge]

There must be something we are not seeing or they simply made a mistake, but all other stats are just too good

[obtuse perch]

It's just extra damage.

[bright nest]

Its mostly flavour damage

there is an angle with apogee but I don't think it is worth it.

[obtuse perch]

I mean extra damage is extra damage regardless of type.

[turbid dome]

if you had two of them on, would your forged weapons get 200% of your gloves stats

[obtuse perch]

One could say it's "the wrong type" but this is on an item that would be good even with zero added damage.

[obtuse perch]

Up to, yes.

[bright nest]

thats why it is so broken. Although I'm not sure what the perfect gloves would be for this

[obtuse perch]

Depends on what you're doing

[wise rune]

do you think using that ring with these gloves would make your minions cast flame tornadoes

[obtuse perch]

Burning avarice is pretty good.

[bright nest]

I think the build would be so fun to play if it wasn't for those damn needed sigils.

[winter copper]

why do u care if its necrotic or fire or phys or whatever?

[turbid dome]

dont FG minions normally only get simple stats from your gear

[winter copper]

you have generic scaling for minions on all optimized builds

[turbid dome]

whatever that means

[obtuse perch]

They get anything that can logically apply to them.

[bright nest]

I've been told yesterday that "trigger" effects don't carry over to the minions, I was thinking smite sword and they said no

[tribal basin]

They get the Implicits and some Unique effects , like Last laughs kill threshold

[wise rune]

makes sense i didnt think it would work but it was worth asking

[bright nest]

Are we thinking Crit will be better than DOT minions?

[obtuse perch]

Both are good

[waxen nymph]

It's a hit and it has a chance to stun

[winter copper]

dot was always better for boss killing

and still will be

[tribal basin]

maybe they also get " apply a stack of <Ailment> on hit " but im not 100% sure on that , they get the Apply from implicit , not sure about affixes

[turbid dome]

wont bleed be extra good for bossing now that bosses get bursts of ward

[tribal basin]

i used Ignite/bleed on minion hit on my FG mainly so the Flame Drinker node in Rive was alive all the time

[waxen nymph]

Will crit not be better with all the new weapons?

A'd the rings to be crit capped?

[bright nest]

If you go rings, you kinda have to go crit

It be a WASTE not to

[turbid dome]

true

[winter copper]

which ones? event horizon wont be good and we dont know if itll even apply. I think exile mages spear is still bis weapon without any competition for crit minions

[bright nest]

They can give up to 8% minion crit if you get two of them

[waxen nymph]

I mean duration itself is good enough for me

[winter copper]

the axe

[obtuse perch]

Can still go DoT

[winter copper]

might be pretty op

[keen rock]

If you combined Healing Hands->Seraph Blade with Healing Hands->Hand of Aurelus (melee attack triggered by casting smite) does the Seraph Blade attack occur from your body, or does it occur where the smite lands?

[zenith blaze]

are hammerdins going to be doing better this patch?

[winter copper]

but needs testing, the spear is just too strong

[bright nest]

what spear we talking about

[winter copper]

javelin spear that is used only on non javelin builds

180% crit multi, 90 flat and 40% pen+ easy 2-3lp

[waxen nymph]

?

[turbid dome]

+6 to level of melee skills is a wild stat

[winter copper]

1st one might be better but i doubt it will be

2nd one looks useless for crit

u dont care for melee speed since you spam shield throw and thats 99% of dps

i mean it adds some, so maybe its ok. But for first one we dont know what will apply to minoons and whats not

[leaden totem]

World splitter+ erasing strike build. Stacking mana. Any good?

[waxen nymph]

Were we not talking about Forged Weapons?

[tribal basin]

its kinda disgusting , same level as the +4 to all good falconer skills bow .. uh Talons of prey or so

[winter copper]

forged minions is 10% dps added to 90% of total dps which is MA, you run both

😏

[tribal basin]

they are super fast at applying ailment stacks

200 bleed and ignite is very doable

[winter copper]

but did mike confirm that these will even apply to minions?

i doubt so

[wise rune]

it seems good, i'm thinking about running that with heavy max mana investment and mana spent gained as ward uniques + vessel of strife

erasing strike builds with shadow beacon before already wanted huge max mana so now you're just doubling down on that and actually getting other stats from it too

does anyone know if this node counts towards the mana cost because iirc it waits until the echo goes off before it actually uses the 60 mana

[turbid dome]

it might not?

[gusty abyss]

it says consumed, not cost

shouldnt count

[turbid dome]

spec into these two for giga mana cost erasing strike

[wise rune]

thanks

[waxen nymph]

Yep, Cost =/= Consumed

[wise rune]

maybe its worth going for the second charge instead of no cooldown then

[turbid dome]

yeah with full void bringer + hastened cataclysm its like 127 mana cost

[wise rune]

because i'm worried having the echoes doesnt leave much room to increase the cost of the main skill

[turbid dome]

oh wait another 10% mana cost increse from avatar of regret

[wise rune]

yeah

[turbid dome]

I'd just go full 40% echo chance and grab both mana cost nodes

dont worry about the guaranteed echos

[waxen nymph]

Imo you still want no Cd so you can scale AS

Otherwise dps will be mid

[wise rune]

probably true

[turbid dome]

fair

can you get enough max mana to use it enough to get enough void essences on crit to sustain mana

[wise rune]

yes

[leaden totem]

I'm Interested in that build

[wise rune]

people already did that before

just with shadow beacon instead

[turbid dome]

ah

[wise rune]

its a bit tougher if you wanna maximise the mana cost of the base skill though

but should still be very possible

[turbid dome]

echos give the void essence on crit too right?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

The main problem of the Axe is it's not a Mace and you loose 60% More Dmg for the top node

Oh but World Splitter is a Bardiche right?

[wise rune]

yeah it is

[waxen nymph]

So you can get Bleed> Time Rot and get the 100% More Dmg

At Max time rot

[wise rune]

these are the two side by side

[halcyon rose]

Hi, is forgeguard a thing now? I mean one focusing on minions and FG stuff, not VK in trench coat.

[wise rune]

world splitter also allows for void cleave which really isnt needed for the build but i like using it as a traversal

even without taking either mana cost node for erasing strike you're getting +16.5% base crit and and +66% area

with 3 points in the faster cooldown node you're getting 41.25% additional base crit and 165% area

plus the other 9% base crit rate from the erasing strike tree you can have a base crit rate of 55.25%

[leaden totem]

That's a lot

[hot basin]

World splitter also has huge bonus mana. If you ever want to go for 2 or 3 echos you probably need world splitter

[wise rune]

yeah 52% max mana is crazy

[leaden totem]

It will be my starter

Bonk bonk

[wise rune]

its not a good starter since it has heavy gear requirements to make it work

[hot basin]

I wonder if its possible to use event horizon for bonk build. Probably too clunky though

[wise rune]

but you could start with a basic void cleave erasing strike build then transition to world splitter once you get some of the mana drops you need

[leaden totem]

Just use rive or warpath till there

[wise rune]

lol you can get to 99.45% crit chance on erasing strike using only a blessing if you take the extra mana cost from the cooldown node

[leaden totem]

I think 70%-80% is a good spot

[bright nest]

Do passives like Lethal strikes in the forge guard tree work on minions?

[wise rune]

you wouldnt actually want to have a crit chance blessing but it shows you can pretty easily get max crit chance without even needing an affix for it

[waxen nymph]

Does say minions so no

[bright nest]

doesn't *?

[waxen nymph]

Yeah sorry, long day 😅😅
Doesn't say minions so no

[zenith blaze]

@waxen nymph is there potential for hammerdins this patch?

[waxen nymph]

What kind?

[zenith blaze]

any kind of hammerdin paladin

[turbid dome]

[zenith blaze]

the spinny ones

[waxen nymph]

Hammer Smite got slightly changed (I think it's a slight nerf) with the change on Smite idols
Nova is still the same so good clear meh ST
Disintegrating Aura got buffed so might go from goodish/meme to pretty nice

[zenith blaze]

why would smite get nerfed... it took like GIGA effort to clear a 1000...

wtf...

[waxen nymph]

1. That looks like some performance related stuff
2. The change on idols buff a bit Shield Throw/Javelin + Smite
3. Smite Proc will be more consistent, a bit better even on single Target

[zenith blaze]

so how do you think it is a slight nerf?

O.O

[waxen nymph]

On packs you will get less Smite

You could procc way more than 5 Smite per second in a big pack

[zenith blaze]

so is hammerdin even the play going into next cycle?

or just throw it away

[waxen nymph]

Imo still pretty good

[zenith blaze]

where should I be looking for a hammerdin build for next cycle?

[waxen nymph]

Pretty sure Maxroll will update theirs

[obtuse perch]

Something like this?

For minion support.

[turbid dome]

why not scorching path?

[obtuse perch]

Because I don't know what that is.

[turbid dome]

the one right after molten blades

[obtuse perch]

Oh I found it.

Because then I'd have to hit minions with it.

[turbid dome]

my thought is, FG minions are melee, so their going to be next to the enemy anyways

[waxen nymph]

It's a bit annoying to hit all your Swords

[turbid dome]

ah

[waxen nymph]

But on Boss it will be giga strong for sure

[obtuse perch]

I'll consider it if I can reliably hit all my minions with it, but otherwise no.

I don't need to decide immediately.

I mean technically it is a gain if I can reliably hit even half.

[turbid dome]

true

I wonder how much AOE is needed for that to be comfy

[jagged cosmos]

They buffed whirlwind on manifest armor right

[torpid lintel]

is warpath vk gonna be fine to play or is void cleave gonna be way stronger?

[winter copper]

its fine

buffed by 40% more dmg too since it was bugged

[solid forge]

I assume you are going for full ignite and won't rely kn any critical damage I guess

[jagged cosmos]

Should still be viable

[obtuse perch]

Warpath or void cleave? Pour que no los dos?

[obtuse perch]

Yes.

[cold rose]

Any changes for dot vk in 1.1?

[waxen nymph]

Big time

[jagged cosmos]

So it’s not hot garbage anymore

[waxen nymph]

Cd from 10 sec to 4
Dmg Effect from 60 to 300 iirc
Edit : I do remember correctly

[jagged cosmos]

Lmao wtf

[obtuse perch]

But no indicator that the bug with it was fixed yet, right?

[waxen nymph]

What bug?

[obtuse perch]

I heard MA WW only hits once or something.

[turbid dome]

it feels weird having two options for VK boots

[desert grove]

They buff melee MA but nerf spellcaster MA 😂

[brittle grove]

is the first one realy an option tho?

https://tenor.com/view/thor-ragnarok-isitthough-doubt-it-gif-18239143

[turbid dome]

I can get a 2nd charge of void cleave on its tree

tho granted The Inevitable is probably more for funny event horizon hammer bonk

[obtuse perch]

So why not get a third charge?

[turbid dome]

my ES only has 2 charges

[obtuse perch]

ES?

[turbid dome]

Erasing Strike

my builds entire thing is void cleave to put 12 time rots on them -> ES them out of existance -> go to next pack

[obtuse perch]

So what is the lore reason for the sentinel having void powers anyway?

[turbid dome]

sentinels saw the void eating the world -> took a part of the void into themselves

tried to fight the void using the void

[obtuse perch]

Like iirc they're a former Rayeh worshiper?

[turbid dome]

yeah base sentinel used to be a Rayeh solder/blacksmith

but then Rayeh went a little kill everyone else mode

Paladin is him going full Divine Era god mode, Forge Guard is him focusing on his blacksmithing training, void knight is him going sicko mode

[zenith blaze]

can someone send me a sexy paladin hammerdin build please

[turbid dome]

I have a sexy vit stacking VK ms paint I can send

no idea how to do a hammer build tho

[obtuse perch]

Yeah so the fire and divine abilities make sense. Rayeh followers also use those.

[turbid dome]

I'm fairly sure this is the only bit of how a sentinel got void powers

also granted we just copy the powers from some other timeline version of us who actually figured it out

[obtuse perch]

Yeah I know that much. It just feels a little outside of the sentinel's starting area. :p

Compared to the other two I mean.

[turbid dome]

thats fair

I guess technically Forge Guard is directly Rayeh worship, Paladin is all of them in general, Void Knight is worshiping Ouroboros

[outer hedge]

planning on trying that and forgestrike

[alpine canopy]

Basically, they got very very slightly void-corrupted

[obtuse perch]

You mean Orobys?

[turbid dome]

yeah

I blame auto correct

[obtuse perch]

TBH, the main script of the story says very little of Orobyss.

[turbid dome]

I'm going to imagine that Orobyss gets a focus in the next part of the campaign

[obtuse perch]

Like, Eterra made the world and the five deities, right?

[turbid dome]

tho granted he is the narrator of the pre-act lil videos

[turbid dome]

5?

[obtuse perch]

And Orobyss is implied to be some counterpart, like the end to her beginning.

[turbid dome]

aren't there 4 gods

[obtuse perch]

Was it four?

[turbid dome]

Herrot, Rayeh, Lagon and snake lady

[obtuse perch]

Yeah it's four.

I do like how events happen a little out of order.

[turbid dome]

the haha uhoh when fighting mr skelly bones

[obtuse perch]

Like Heorot seems to recognise you from when you will meet him later.