haven't tested any of that tbh
#💀┃acolyte
lost gale
i agree
I don't think you can fit in summon skeletons either
even though death seal is kind of mid
sly forge
that build does not need sacrifice
no need skeletons
I would rather play physical
because that build's initial dmg is physical
I dont see any benefit of necrotic
lost gale
yeah I know what you mean but I think the ash wake boots are needed for the extra zombie revive chance
sly forge
yes
lost gale
so you can't use phys AoD
sly forge
but even so I don't see any benefit of necrotic there
lost gale
just because you can get the +flat affix?
and necro has +flat necrotic in its tree
he's just using generic increased damage across all his idols
sly forge
hmm
seems reasonable
I forgot that you are forced to use traitor's tongue to cap crit
at least for online gear
since slamming 2 t7 physical spell crit can be hard
lost gale
If there was a good way to get flat fire that would be ideal with AoD
Or fire conversion for mshards
sly forge
unfortunately no
hidden sable
still scroll
Witchfire go BRRRRRRRR BURRRRRRRN WORLD BURRRRRRRN! WHAHAHA
sorry xD
jsut tried it out this season and its soo much fun
still scroll
idk jsut have reached the monoliths a few days ago. started later into the season
and need to get my items tógether for the endgame build
the point is.. lvling is always numb but with builds like that without needing specific items to play, to get through im more than happy to go through the lvling phase / campaign again and again with a char
thats what i miss on other games like this. the need ofitems
lost gale
so what lv corruption of shade can it burn
can't find a single warlock on the ladder playing it, they're all on rip blood or apoc zombies or profane veil orbs
tender ridge
hey that's not far from what i planned on doing. i was gonna go cold for access to throne of ambition and twisted heart
lost gale
cold does look nice
sly forge
hey that's not far from what i planned on doing. i was gonna go cold for access ...
but we have no cold visual zombie
lost gale
the necrotic zombie visual is even more of an eyesore than the fire or default imo, idk why he went for it
sly forge
the necrotic zombie visual is even more of an eyesore than the fire or default i...
because he's playing necrotic build?
tbh I wonder what could go wrong with cold marrow shard+rip blood lich?
since I don't see maxroll considering cold
lost gale
can't make rip blood cold I guess
sly forge
but the dmg comes from marrow shard
rip blood dmg is negligible
it's mainly for proc marrow and flat spell buff
lost gale
would throne of ambition be worth giving up some cast speed while cursed idols? they're really amazing for the build aren't they?
tender ridge
he actually has twisted heart in his build and I can't understand why
lost gale
cast speed and health I guess
maybe a bit of armor from the strength
lots of people use twisted heart just for the stats
tender ridge
i guess it gives +necrotic spells for death seal
sly forge
and he does not have uber item yet I think
wintry flame
Poison is a starter build not the best one
@noble flame @sly forge I still think the build isn’t optimized for spectres. Scales and even bleed chest might be overvalued.
Also the T8 traversal
Oh and Blood Roost
noble flame
<@340318436133568522> <@524891324802007050> I still think the build isn’t optimi...
I want to try a T8 Minion DoT Axe. I think the gloves could be swapped out. The chest is pretty nice. An extra stack of bleed per hit is real nice.
What would you swap the chest for?
The T8 traversal isn't needed at all, but it was nice for the first slam of Uber.
sly forge
<@340318436133568522> <@524891324802007050> I still think the build isn’t optimi...
well that build is not optimized
at least since I have my own optimized version offline
t-rex relic
scales
blood roost/julra
things can be optimized more with foot of the mountain but I prefer blood of the exiles for movement
I also have pearls of the swine
I have two momentum rings
echo sun
Anyone tried Blood spectres, what are your thoughs on them?
sly forge
Anyone tried Blood spectres, what are your thoughs on them?
will replace abomination as the new meta if not for the bug
noble flame
Anyone tried Blood spectres, what are your thoughs on them?
They're very good
echo sun
Oh what have I missed? bug?
noble flame
Destruction Engine can sometimes cause the abom to kill itself if a skeleton overlaps with itself
Cast skeletons away from the Abomination and it's usually fine. The auto-rez can sometimes let them get close though
echo sun
What does that have to do with blood spectres though 🤔
noble flame
Use Abomination to sac minions to create blood spectres. I suppose you could use sacrifice through zombies or manual
wintry flame
What would you swap the chest for?
bee set chest affix on a good base with preferably T8 bleed chance/duration or regen if you want to go regen w/ vessel. I think the bleed mace might even be better as is for spectres. Julra's with T7 melee atk speed as well.
roost is nice for until you get those
people I don't think know that spectres get a multiplier on attack speed
noble flame
bee set chest affix on a good base with preferably T8 bleed chance/duration or r...
What's the bleed mace?
wintry flame
sorry the bee set
noble flame
I can give it a try later. Though I might have to farm some set items for crafting
wintry flame
yeah it'd be a bit diff setup. Also have to make up for the lost % inc damage. If you can get traversal on boots + corrupt or ring affix with some actually good mods then it'd be nice
but you get bees as well haha wonder if there is even a method to being able to sac them and get spectres. although abom is probably nice
then you could run bone curse
noble flame
It's funny you mention the bee set. I originally built this as a meme build with the bees for regen and swapped over to wraiths lol
woeful cedar
anyone have a planner for the spectres?
noble flame
anyone have a planner for the spectres?
This is what I used for Uber: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb6Wq5O9
I've got a lot of variants on this too. I like Bones of the Pack a fair bit with Foot of the Mountain for mapping.
stuck owlBOT
lost gale
Abomination is ideal for putting your dread shade on though
wintry flame
yeah probably still use it or another minion as a holder
you'd just replace skeletons
noble flame
Perma frenzy Blood Wraiths with Shattered Worlds + Advent of the Erased is pretty nice
cleared a second Uber run, but I'm very glass cannon rn so it took a few tries
wintry flame
yeah this is what I mean by attack speed being undervalued in a lot of planners
they get 68% more atk speed
if just swapping to frenzy adds that much, then doing Julra's and maybe even the set mace would also be pretty huge
noble flame
I had Julra's too. It's a solid setup, but I'll have to fix my defenses and find a new source of cleanse.
wintry flame
need that boot corrupt
noble flame
Thats what im using on foot of the mountain. Got the minion teleport corrupt on my advent tho
sly forge
if just swapping to frenzy adds that much, then doing Julra's and maybe even the...
hmm, idk but for weapon I think the scales axe is the best
30% increased dread shade buff effect is no joke
it's triple effect
attack speed
more dmg
more dmg over time
and the axe has 300% increased minion dmg
wintry flame
yeah it's 7% more dot dmg, 18% more dmg, and 7% inc attack speed. which are additive with their instances of course.
and you get the high % inc. But idk how that compares to the bleed chance and atk speed you can get from mace
sly forge
which mace is it?
wintry flame
also you add other minions that scale with the same stats
sly forge
hmm
for online it's might be better
but it's an item set
you cannot slam affixes like minion dot dmg, minion pen
also, for bleed
I think you got a lot from armor and helmets
blood wraiths give a ton
aod too
while for the 2h axe
you can slam massive increased minion dot and minion physical pen
and also slam all attributes if you could get a lp3 item (or have that as corrupted affix)
wintry flame
yeah I think you can get the increased elsewhere tho
sly forge
at least it's only half effective
since idk
the mace is a pure set item
you cannot slam affix
you could only slam the generic minion dmg in you offhand
and in offhand you cant even slam the minion pen affix
wintry flame
yeah I know
potentially the mace isn't best, but I'd still like to test since you get better survivability with it and the chest piece too
sly forge
Hmm
right now I wonder if I should try any more necro build
I have like
7 of them already
and 4 of them are skeletal mages
wintry flame
as they should be
wintry flame
could try caster builds on Necro now lmao
sly forge
tbh I think vomit zombie+HS mage is better on fire
since I got aod
@wintry flame btw does vomit helps aoe a lot?
since HS is for ignite
wintry flame
we haven't seen people explore curse of perseverance either
sly forge
since I want to dedicated in only some
for me right now:
golem sucks
I have not tried vomit zombie+HS mage yet
but I want to have at most 7 necro builds
my "worst" necro is currently flame wraith
wintry flame
oh I gotta make rogue planners and test too
sly forge
rogue planner is simple
you literally use the abomination gear
just change some affix
wintry flame
nah nah it's different now for cold setup
wintry flame
yeah phys is good still but I want to do cold
sly forge
I will try vomit zombie+ignite HS mage
wintry flame
🫡
sly forge
if they are better than flame wraith then I will replace my flame wraith with them
wait wtf EHG
the node "inspired hunger"
when dmg is converted to fire they will deal more dot to spreading flame instead
wintry flame
yupp
wintry flame
wand or sceptre uniques. uhhh cinder and uhhh
old hull
Bone golem fix? 👀
sly forge
firestarter torch
wintry flame
yeh
wintry flame
indeed, so maybe convert isn't worth
sly forge
but convert allow me to get aod. Tough choice here
wintry flame
can still use AoD
wintry flame
you are doing DoT no?
sly forge
yeah
sly forge
I will try vomit zombie+ignite HS mage
.
but EHG just almost killed my motivation to try it
by making a very silly node
wintry flame
oh you were gonna do single skull convert?
sly forge
yeah
noble flame
Bone Golem T-Pose fixed!
sly forge
if not then how can I benefit from aod?
wintry flame
think it'd be better than the other staff?
you can still go ignite and not convert
the convert is just 100% ignite chance
wintry flame
oh yeah I meant just the convert not the other node
honestly idek if you want to go HS tho
since you can do basic attack pyros
sly forge
hmm
but ignite pyro is not good single target
we seriously lack ingite chance
well since I'm trying a build that I expect to be better than flame wraith
int stacking flame wraith is no joke :)))
wintry flame
no I mean pyro with zombie
HS is on CD and has lower ignite chance
pyro converts poison to ignite now, gets 100% from skill tree, a bit more from acolyte passive tree, and will convert the poison chance from dread shade
sly forge
pyro converts poison to ignite now, gets 100% from skill tree, a bit more from a...
yeah but unfortunately I tried them
not as good as wraith
lost gale
"Captain's Log, Stardate 1513.8. Patch notes reveal no indication of a fix for Destruction Engine. Origin and purpose of the patch still unknown. We've been here, held motionless, for 6 months."
wintry flame
only golem alone
yeah I was saying in the mage + zombie build like basic attack would be better than HS
lost gale
yeah phys is good still but I want to do cold
it's a shame that the passive node only converts melee phys to throwing because maybe you could get the flat cold twice for throwing attacks
old hull
*"Captain's Log, Stardate 1513.8. Patch notes reveal no indication of a fix for ...
It's all okay, they fixed golem 
pearl snow
yeah I was saying in the mage + zombie build like basic attack would be better t...
It is
Considering I swapped as soon as they fixed Pyros and used that Milk amulet
We golem is fixed. I can even use Aaron’s will now.
old hull
I might try a juiced pyre golem next week
pearl snow
I gotta record my rogue video and then switch back to Necro
lost gale
Does pyre golem get more damage if you feed them 5 mages and 5 skellies instead of 10 of either?
wintry flame
it's a shame that the passive node only converts melee phys to throwing because ...
that would've been nice lmao. It's fine tho since the throw makes up very little of total damage, but clear would've improved a lot.
lost gale
could you use loads of minion CDR idols for clear?
wintry flame
Does pyre golem get more damage if you feed them 5 mages and 5 skellies instead ...
I don't think it cares which type now, like it used to. but I haven't tested to confirm
wintry flame
could you use loads of minion CDR idols for clear?
it's pointless. Rogues gets a melee attack speed boost and their main attack is most damage they uptime on shurikens with 2 charges and a 4 sec CD is enough to not really need CDR investment. Although I'd have to confirm if it's necessary in clear aspects especially with their shift, since we lost the little we got before.
lost gale
shurikens have twice the ADE of the melee attack
lost gale
oh does it?
wintry flame
yupp
it's one of those things you had to see the patch note from 2021-2022 to know about it 
or whenever they made that update
lost gale
ah that explains their unusually good ailment application I guess
old hull
Does pyre golem get more damage if you feed them 5 mages and 5 skellies instead ...
The way it's worded, there's no difference between the two types
Although mages don't work for the other node
lost gale
Although mages don't work for the other node
marrow eater?
old hull
I think my plan is going to be doubling down by taking both skele dying nodes, and have doom brand kill the skeles
old hull
marrow eater?
Yeah
lost gale
idk if that actually means anything or not but
old hull
on LET it links to skeleton mage too
lol that would be funny if they both work
Not that it matters for me, I don't want mages around anyway
wintry flame
yeah the doom brand tech works nicely
lost gale
how does doom brand degen work anyway?
is it just the usual 3% per second per second of default dread shade?
old hull
is it just the usual 3% per second per second of default dread shade?
Yeah, so it ramps up to a point it pretty much instakills them lol
lost gale
Yeah, so it ramps up to a point it pretty much instakills them lol
is that ramp per minion or per dread shade?
old hull
The shade itself ramps
blissful trout
Does anyone know how damage dealt to mana before health interacts with ward?
old hull
Does anyone know how damage dealt to mana before health interacts with ward?
It doesn't
noble flame
I assume it's ward then mana in that case?
plush loom
Hey can someone help me understand the bone curse + penance loop?
old hull
There's a different stat that redirects damage from ward+health to mana, but that's only on flame ward so far
wintry flame
Hey can someone help me understand the bone curse + penance loop?
whats the question regarding it?
plush loom
how does it loop? i have the aura on with pearls. It affects my bone golem. So i hit the golem, and the golem hits me?
wintry flame
yeah when you hit you get hit
so you can get on hit procs to proc more hits that cause you to proc the on hit procs
and it loops that way
lost gale
the cooldown is long enough that it shouldn't loop anymore IIRC
wintry flame
in the case of DKs it does and you get more procs since the CD is per target
and them attacking procs your proc as well as theirs
lost gale
how does it loop? i have the aura on with pearls. It affects my bone golem. So i...
if you and the golem are cursed with penance then you hit the golem, take damage for dealing damage and the golem then takes damage because somehow it gets blame for you damaging yourself with penance and its own penance hits it too
plush loom
Oh
wintry flame
but yeah other instances I'm not sure how it would loop now
plush loom
but ideally it shouldnt get blamed right?
lost gale
and them attacking procs your proc as well as theirs
wait your penance can trigger more than once per 0.35s if it's from multiple targets?
lost gale
but ideally it shouldnt get blamed right?
arguably it shouldn't
because you are the one dealing damage with penance to yourself
the other case is that the golem hits an enemy, takes damage from penance and dealing damage to the golem with penance causes you to take damage from penance too
but penance should never loop/double trigger anymore
wintry flame
I think so? the penance itself mentions the proc rate per target and since they proc from mages and not me we all have separate CDs. Idk the best way to test but I would check to see if 2 instances could happen at the same time and it looked like they would happen outside of casts.
lost gale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZAhu7s-ck this is what happened before they added a cooldown
lost gale
I think so? the penance itself mentions the proc rate per target and since they...
oh yeah i'm sure that each mage and you have their own 0.35s cooldown for it but I thought you were saying your penance was hitting you every single time a mage took penance damage which is exactly what they were trying to prevent
ward when hit idols were amazingly strong
wintry flame
no all the procs hit me
lost gale
so you're firing off a lot more HS than any one of your skeletons are?
wintry flame
since their procs are my hits
lost gale
like you're firing as many skulls as all the skellies combined?
wintry flame
no, the CD is still in effect for me. I'm just saying I can sit there with bone curse aura on or whatever and not do anything and HS will proc from me because when they hit they proc souls that are my hits
lost gale
no, the CD is still in effect for me. I'm just saying I can sit there with bone ...
yeah that makes sense
wintry flame
it's just I get more souls than normal because each instance of penance has a chance to fire souls and scales with mages and their attack speed to get closer to their individual CDs
but there is still a hard cap on how many hits we each get, mhm
stark prism
Anyone checked if last patch fixed the node Individual Operator of Skeletons ? Not sure i understand the fix about skeleton buffs …
wintry flame
it's fixed ye
blissful trout
Is there any way to get minions to apply frailty?
wintry flame
Inheritance or Julra's Obsession
plush loom
Does armour per vitality from dread shade not affect the player when you have symbiotic apparition?
lost gale
Does armour per vitality from dread shade not affect the player when you have sy...
it should work
plush loom
its def not showing on character sheet then. i have 18 vit > 540 armour
oh nvm, im dumb
i have the no aura node
lost gale
easy mistake to make
plush loom
althought its a tough call i guess, would i rather have upwards of 1000 armour or 30% more damage +15 necrotic damage
old hull
Is there any way to get minions to apply frailty?
Certain shape idol corruptions is the easiest imo
It's on the 1x1 idols
wintry flame
oh there is a corrupt for it now? oooo
old hull
Yeah, super handy
sly forge
yeah I was saying in the mage + zombie build like basic attack would be better t...
Idk since mages have pretty low ignite rate
and we don't have insane things to support ignite minions
like onos tull
old hull
Idk since mages have pretty low ignite rate
It's not that low, the point is just to be able to scale it enough to help clearing
pearl snow
Inheritance or Julra's Obsession
Corrupted Idols too!
Oh im dumb i didnt refresh kek
My bad
sly forge
It's not that low, the point is just to be able to scale it enough to help clear...
hmm too bad
my goal is to look for a better single target build than flame wraith
guess not then
old hull
Your single target is zombies plus the mages
sly forge
mage ignite is not great
we have very limited ignite minion support
the only reasonable source might be ignite from HS
pearl snow
No pyro ignite is solid since they convert poison from all sources now
sly forge
and we also have limited poison support now
that's why poison rogue sucks compared to crit rogue
we don't have something like onos tull
pearl snow
Milk amulet is really all we got on ignite for mages
sly forge
Milk amulet is really all we got on ignite for mages
well lucky
since minion only deals less poison dmg
now another problem
we lack good source of ignite duration for minion
anyway, I will give it a try
pearl snow
True
It did really well for me since I swapped to it from hungering souls after the pyro patch
Granted, I don’t really think it’s like a Crit HS competitor
sly forge
the thing is
I expect it to be better than flame wraith
I have an int stacking flame wraith
if it's not then I might not do it
pearl snow
I feel like it would be better than that because you could still mana stack and then you have zombies and pyro scaling
forest fog
How do I name my own channel on here
obtuse quest
How do I name my own channel on here
you don't?
pearl snow
you don't?
He might be talking Voice. In which case you just join a new one lol
wintry flame
Idk since mages have pretty low ignite rate
how do they have lower ignite rate self cast than HS? you can get like 600% chance to ignite for mages
and thye have 40% duration and pen in tree.
sly forge
how do they have lower ignite rate self cast than HS? you can get like 600% chan...
they have higher ignite rate of course but HS deals way more dmg
ignite inherts the more dmg from subskills
well can't know until we try
wintry flame
yeah but application rate is much slower and ignite chance is like half
sly forge
@wintry flame serpent milk is the best item here I guess?
wintry flame
<@225417895038025729> serpent milk is the best item here I guess?
Not completely sure what's best. I haven't looked fully at the build
old hull
Might be nihilis tbh
sly forge
serpent milk provides 200% poison chance
converted to 200% ignite chance
hmm
vomit is affected by flat spell dmg?
wintry flame
ye
sly forge
hmm hard choice
should I focus slamming flat or increased minion dmg over time on weapon?
ah wait
staff cannot slam increased minion dmg over time
sly forge
hmm
I wonder which is better
raven rise
or julra
maybe julra
let's see how many dmg could they cause
north timber
Someone playing mana flay lich? In some planners I see added to helm and body armors %inc mana and +mana. How it is possible for %inc mana ? I guess it is corruption only but I'm not sure.
Example
old hull
should I focus slamming flat or increased minion dmg over time on weapon?
The actual spell damage part of vomit is pretty near worthless afaik, no point scaling it
lost gale
Someone playing mana flay lich? In some planners I see added to helm and body ar...
% increased mana is a rogue & sentinel mod which you can slam on all class uniques to use on other classes
north timber
Good to know that. Especially on helm I think +4 skill lvl on marrow shards with 98%spell dmg should be good for additional bonus dmg nodes for bone splinters or crit multiplalier for marrow shards instead
sick belfry
marrow shards damage is a really small % of your total output on manaflay tbh
I wouldn't focus too much on increasing its effect
obtuse quest
Werid to be mass scaling marrow when chaos bolts is right there ngl
sly forge
The actual spell damage part of vomit is pretty near worthless afaik, no point s...
so there is no point spec chaos bolt right?
@wintry flame should I spec chaos bolt in the ignite mage+zombie build?
north timber
Fleyta - Sylis85 - Character Profiles - Last Epoch Tools https://share.google/v6S2qQ4fUGodPh9sl
Can you give me some advices what can I improve or change on my current setup passives and spec skills
north timber
Can I sacrifice shred armour from dagger for att.speed or should be downgrade
sick belfry
Can I sacrifice shred armour from dagger for att.speed or should be downgrade
shred is really strong imho
it'll get you like 60% more damage
lost gale
Can you give me some advices what can I improve or change on my current setup pa...
The node which spawns zombies in harvest is probably all downside for you, it costs you some mana when harvest kill threshold kills things and the zombies do absolutely nothing worthwhile for you
the minion crit you can take on the other side is useless too but it doesn't cost you mana
if that triggers 5 times per 3 seconds it's costing you (13*5)/3 = 21.666 mana per second while you're clearing
seconding the idea that you need shred, it's much better than going from 200% attack speed to 250% attack speed
getting % mana rolls on chest and helm would make a big difference
wintry flame
<@225417895038025729> should I spec chaos bolt in the ignite mage+zombie build?
it gives flat spell per mana and DoT chance, so depends if you want/need that
woeful cedar
how crit spectres doing?
humble crater
Whats the best acolyte build to go past 1000+ corruption easily no sweat
sly forge
it gives flat spell per mana and DoT chance, so depends if you want/need that
hmm tried dot
not better than wraith
sly forge
how crit spectres doing?
idk how but bleed sceptre is way better
at least I tried crit spectre and they sucks
bleed has a lot of support affixes
just like bleed hammerdin is superior to crit hammerdin for me
wintry flame
wait what was your crit spectre planner?
pearl snow
Whats the best acolyte build to go past 1000+ corruption easily no sweat
Mana Flay or Abom Necro
sly forge
wait what was your crit spectre planner?
same as abom
humble crater
Mana Flay or Abom Necro
Is rip blood lich viable rn?
pearl snow
Is rip blood lich viable rn?
Yeah probably, you can check the ladder if you want to see what people are running
lost gale
Is rip blood lich viable rn?
yes but it's much less cool than marrow shards or sacrifice
vapid kindle
yes but it's much less cool than marrow shards or sacrifice
i mean rip blood is marrow shards
mshards deal like 95% of ur dmg it’s just like the playstyle is rip blood
lost gale
i mean rip blood is marrow shards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPdD3kWysA I mean this build
vapid kindle
i can’t watch the vid rn but hard to tell what’s going on from the planner
lost gale
i can’t watch the vid rn but hard to tell what’s going on from the planner
mshards consume minions
zombies trigger mshards on death
self cast mshards & zombie rings & bee idols/vanguards/corpse parasites
vapid kindle
sounds neat
lost gale
it's a lot lot more mshards per second than rip blood, though it isn't getting +flat from arcane absorption
and it's missing the -res from phys AoD because ash wake is important for the zombie revive chance
vapid kindle
ah ok i was wondering why ash wake on phys
i’m not sure it is more shards/sec, rip blood gets like 550% cast speed, but you do get the minion multis
lost gale
at 4 zombies with 2 zombie rings 50% revive chance, with ash wake 70-75%, seems to make a huge difference to the number of zombies & parasites
vapid kindle
makes sense
lost gale
if you could watch the video you'd appreciate how many mshards it is
vapid kindle
i’ll check when i get home from work
humble crater
Yeah probably, you can check the ladder if you want to see what people are runni...
Can i get the link for it?
wintry flame
same as abom
oh that's probs why should definitely build it hybrid tbh
vale jacinth
Zombies back on the menu. Emerging terrors node is an absolute game changer.
vocal yoke
pivoted back to warlock for szn end and gonna end as witchfire
Really the efficiency of mana flay lich is unmatched
I dig the fissure spirits, even with the t8 sprit frequency chest, but I was still getting one shotted and was weak overall
minor lodge
first time playing acolyte, looking for a build that is mobile and fun tht may be able to do uber abberoth -> also a tanky build with minimal button pressing -> or minion build with lmimted pushing, but not that abomination one where you need to recast and regear each time u die
vocal yoke
first time playing acolyte, looking for a build that is mobile and fun tht may b...
mana flay lich
pearl snow
Can i get the link for it?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/
theres other places prob too
charred ridge
https://youtu.be/ls2qMS9zUaw @sly forge
24s on leech
cause when i did it with budget gear you said you didnt believe kills could go under 30s without one shotting or stunning lol
it also surprised me but i guess if you do completely busted damage you just kill before (or through?) the DR
night hemlock
My only issue with Flay, or Lich I suppose is I find sometimes I just can't leech enough health consistently for it to not drop off from time to time and that sucks.
charred ridge
you don't really need to be in form all the time
night hemlock
Maybe not but in HC it's kind of butt clenching if you're not XD
tacit plinth
I wouldn't play lich on hard-core,missing too much qol with lich form
sly forge
it also surprised me but i guess if you do completely busted damage you just kil...
hmm I wonder how tf did flay do that insane dmg?
yeah I admit that flay could actually bypass the last phase
but I just don't know how
like I don't understand why did uberroth did not trigger the final phase lock for flay
mana flay reduced uberroth to the same amount while he was casting the necrotic arc bolts but it always trigger the phase transition lock in the middle of the cast
leech flay for some reasons bypasses it completely
shatter strike also triggers the phase transition lock too for some reason
tacit plinth
Maybe its like a weird more multiplier this leech lich,maybe its like pure damage who knows hard to tell how the damage works
Glad it exists to show off maxroll how damm strong lich is
lost gale
My only issue with Flay, or Lich I suppose is I find sometimes I just can't leec...
don't take anything that increases leech rate, if you have +0% increased leech rate then you have a 3s window after you stop dealing damage where you're still gonna be recovering health
if you take that leech 1 pointer at the end of lich then I think you only get 1.8 seconds after dealing damage
night hemlock
I wouldn't play lich on hard-core,missing too much qol with lich form
I tried it out when Flay first came out but never been a fan of Lich
Reaper Form more specifically
tacit plinth
For me mana flay lich is a godsend best build of 1.3 by a mile for me
Shows what devs can do
Now this season is a clown fiesta sadly but maybe next one is better
charred ridge
Maybe its like a weird more multiplier this leech lich,maybe its like pure damag...
ye i think drain is true damage
you can see when i press flay it seems to deal around 500-600k per hit and as soon as it goes under 36% the hits do 60k instead
so i guess the DR is 90%
and leech just kills
cinder junco
sorry, any new builds for acolyte this patch? any new lich, warlock tech?
lost gale
sorry, any new builds for acolyte this patch? any new lich, warlock tech?
self cast & zombie triggered marrow shards with minion consumption
cinder junco
so.. necro is the new stuff?
lost gale
nah that's on lich
minions are just used to trigger player scaled spells
and generate some ward
cinder junco
thanks embryo
lost gale
apoc zombie warlock is more popular but it isn't a new build, same for profane veil orbs.
You can also play sacrifice with zombies/skellies but I think that marrow shards build does essentially the same thing
for necro blood specters and skelly mage with or without hungering souls are the main things
terse vault
I was sorting some items. Still have a red ring on my cursor. What do?
Hit respawn and it was still on my cursor. That was scary.
obtuse quest
Dying to AoD is insane
lost gale
lich life
terse vault
I have the fume weaver node and over 200 int. My poison res with aod on with my gear is -1. In reaper form it's over 200 but we can't leech anything in hideout to stay in reaper form so
Wondering if regen might be useful. Haven't tried getting any at all yet.
lost gale
regen is completely disabled during reaper form and cannot realistically beat AoD and health degen nodes unless you giga invest in it which would have such high opportunity cost
terse vault
Guess I just want more poison res then.
It's not really an issue in maps though. Maybe less dot taken is better than res?
lost gale
toggle AoD if you're gonna be doing inventory management
terse vault
Yeah but then I have to push a button. It would be so much easier to go farm a bunch of 4lp gear. /s
noble flame
For Blood Wraiths, has anyone done the math for Blood Roost vs Julra's Obsession? Assuming both are 1LP.
noble flame
Exulis with Madness is proving to be great for the Blood Wraith build. You get a lot of area on AoD and Dread Shade from it. Giving up a max rollled Omnis means fixing a bunch of resists though.
sly forge
Exulis with Madness is proving to be great for the Blood Wraith build. You get a...
Aod has no spell tag
noble flame
Weird, I'll double check but it looked a lot larger
sly forge
Idk need to check again
Since it did not when I check it
But it has no spell tag
Dread shade has
But I would rather has pearl amulet for maximal single target dps
noble flame
Hmm... yeah, looks to be the same. Not sure why it seemed like it was bigger. Maybe just the maps I was on. The phys convert is hard to see sometimes.
Still nice for Dread Shade though
sly forge
Tbh this build only needs +1 to all skills
noble flame
I like Exulis for the DoT reduction and All Stats mostly, but more +levels is always nice.
lost gale
+20 to all stats is really nice for blood specters given that they scale very nicely with two stats
vocal yoke
whats the corr capp for a witchfire warlock? i'm cruising pretty easily at 467 but still get 1-3 shotted at times.
Also tryna to craft a T8 Sinathia's mace before i stop playing the szn
stuck owlBOT
noble flame
Well, this is certainly better than Roost now.
wintry flame
indeed that is
pearl snow
whats the corr capp for a witchfire warlock? i'm cruising pretty easily at 467 b...
Before the weapon buff, which is a pretty large damage increase., witchfire could easily hit 1000. Now would it do like bossing at 1000 probably not very well.
But you’re on acolyte so you’re gonna just randomly die anytime you go above like 300 corruption
You can lower your damage to specialize your defenses, but it’s usually either not worth it or annoying
You also don’t have any Res capped out basically
You got a couple insane pieces of gear though
You might feel a bit defensively stronger with those Armor applies to DoT gloves too
Cradle is really weak without some affixes on it but im sure you know that
Majasa shield is strong too
vocal yoke
thanks for the input! i ended up following your guide and made some tweaks here and there - i was using chaos bolts to proc the overloads and helped speed up mapping with the increased cast speed
may throw in ashes of mortality to help with the ward gen
i hit the T8 on the weapon put forgot to put a rune of order before hitting it - it woulda been 408 increased DOT vs 338
gleaming trail
For ghostflame, is the slower movement for less channel cost node "Harrowing path" supposed to be total move speed lost?
As it slows me down alot with just 1 point
obtuse quest
For ghostflame, is the slower movement for less channel cost node "Harrowing pat...
Yup, it's all multiplitive
gleaming trail
Darn, im really trying to make ghostflame work (using it as a defensive tool atm)
But the mana cost so high, so im putting so much into it just to get it sustainable somewhat for mana issues
obtuse quest
Wanting ghostflame to be sustainable is a whole build in of itself
gleaming trail
I have it working, was just hoping that node was only -20% flat speed loss
Would have let me swap out a few idols for defense
But thanks for the info/help 👍
void sorrel
whats the corr capp for a witchfire warlock? i'm cruising pretty easily at 467 b...
Woah cool build ! I was wanting to do something similar but with wildfire amulet
pearl snow
thanks for the input! i ended up following your guide and made some tweaks here ...
Yeah, using chaos bolts is my preferred way to do it too. I think my early build guide uses ashes and mortality because it’s just super easy to slot in in a ring. It also technically scales which fire better than an ignite ring, but ignite rings can be better in endgame
pearl snow
thanks for the input! i ended up following your guide and made some tweaks here ...
All good anyways that weapon is crazy T8 Curse damage would go nuts if you hit that eventually.
Also make sure to get a Decripify Neck eventually
You got Acid Skin
pearl snow
Wanting ghostflame to be sustainable is a whole build in of itself
Honestly with Altars I thought something could be cooked up but I hate the skill so much lmao
I kinda miss that one guy who always mentioned it like it was giga OP
obtuse quest
Yeah wonder what they’re doing now
vale jacinth
Ghost flame shouldn't be having mana issues to sustain now a days.
In 1.0 it was a pretty popular warlock build called the law mower, not sure how well it scales now a days, but mana should be the least of the issues now
gleaming trail
I have it decent for mana atm, but will be swapping out cinder song for a mace as i just noticed you can get curse damage on a mace (from the build above)
pearl snow
Yeah and T8 curse damage is like 800% lol
gleaming trail
Im still pretty early in on the build (level 90 and decent-ish gear) but am killing 300c easy
Not going for t8 unless i can swap out wildfire embers for another amulet
pearl snow
Decripify Swine amulet is stronk if you bone curse
But I’ve always hoped Wildfire does well
gleaming trail
This is the build planner (some things have changed but its mostly this goal atm
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakbMw1z
stuck owlBOT
gleaming trail
Idea is for fissure to apply dots while using GF for defense
pearl snow
It’s also really hard to squeeze more fire resistance into a build sometimes because you already want to stack either other resistances for ward or just cap out in general
gleaming trail
Yeah i do want to drop wildfire embers, but im not sure what would be a good amulet for it
Like maybe orians eye, but thats gonna be a pain to farm
gleaming trail
If im gonna go for the t8 curse mace i cant use that
pearl snow
True
gleaming trail
This is where im at currently with the build
Like i said, crushing 300c for damage but no good defence yet
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkY5NKz0
stuck owlBOT
pearl snow
This is where im at currently with the build
Like i said, crushing 300c for dama...
Is this just like a sort of damned ignite damage overtime build?
gleaming trail
Witchfire/ignite/damned mostly
So thats why im gonna get that curse mace, see how much that would increase my damage
pearl snow
Honestly, it turbo charges witchfire
Ive tried so many things
For Witchfire
The mace alone is like double dot ticks
gleaming trail
But thats also gonna suck now that i think about it, the duplicated spirit cast from the embers was nice for mana
pearl snow
You barely use Bone Clamour well because you are stacking res elsewhere
vale jacinth
Im down to hear sugestions
Maybe you can still get inspiration from this old amarathy video.
pearl snow
I think when you drop Wildfire and move to that mace you could just put more into necro res and use Boneclamour still, then use like Null Portent as your chest
vale jacinth
pearl snow
Those gloves could probably be dropped for nice exalted ones since the fire res shred should come from Fissure
Ideally those Armor applies to DoT base
Or just get like immortal vise or something rarer
gleaming trail
Thank you both, haivng a look at that video
And uber, i havent even killed him once, i often play non-meta builds like this
So i cant get those gloves
pearl snow
Same lol, honestly, my go to gloves for witchfire are almost always double damage over time or for your case you would use end instead of double DoT and then just get suffixes for ward or resistance
blissful trout
Is damage over time for minions only available on melee weapons?
pearl snow
The tornado gloves are really cool. I was looking into them myself. But the fire doesn’t mean anything for you unless you don’t want to use fissure
pearl snow
Is damage over time for minions only available on melee weapons?
I don’t remember, but you can check on websites like last epoch tools or Tunklabs
pearl snow
Thank you both, haivng a look at that video
No Problem, if you want more witchfire ideas I have a whole guide on last epoch tools
gleaming trail
I would be intrested in that if you can link it please
stuck owlBOT
pearl snow
I heavily abused this channel and a couple people in here. So I’m fairly confident in it
gleaming trail
Thank you, i appreciate the help and info 🫡
pearl snow
gleaming trail
One of the things im looking at is chaos bolts
Is there any way to reduce the spell cost assuming i am using a mace?
Looking at swapping transplant for fissure traversal
then using chaos bolts from the fissure, but i need to make it cost less to be mana friendly
pearl snow
One of the things im looking at is chaos bolts
Is there any way to reduce the sp...
Not really unless you give up a prefix. But the mana cost on Chaos bolts should be really low especially compared to ghost flame that you use now
Remember, CB gives mana back on hit
There’s a node in the skill tree
gleaming trail
Yeah im looking at that, but chaos bolt is 4 hits, even if all 4 hit a target it still is -2 mana (10 cost)
gleaming trail
Not really unless you give up a prefix. But the mana cost on Chaos bolts should ...
And what prefix?
pearl snow
And what prefix?
Theres a spell damage minus mana cost prefix on weapons. But its useless for witchfire. If you are running out of mana using chaos bolts for DoT something is seriously wrong
old hull
That prefix is only on sceptres
gleaming trail
Well im just trying to get chaos bolt to be mana positive or mana neutral when cast from fissure
Like the only thing i can think of is bluefeather band (worlds first use case?)
But then no t8 curse affix on mace
pearl snow
Well im just trying to get chaos bolt to be mana positive or mana neutral when c...
I wouldn’t worry about that. Fissure can refund as part of its cast and chaos bolt gives flat mana back on hit
gleaming trail
Yes but then ghostflame will be draining alot of mana
pearl snow
If for some reason you really really want mana neutral. Skip the mace use Firestarters torch
I can search other mana cost reductions in a bit when I’m back at the computer but thats the only thing that comes to mind
gleaming trail
You have helped alot, im gonna have to do some in game testing, but either way my build will be stronger
Thanks for all the help
Hoping you find a 3lp red ring 🙏
gleaming trail
I cant even find a 0LP <:omegalul:570776988327870475>
Same
pearl snow
I think i’m technically on no red ring since pre release lol
But I also dont religiously hunt it down
gleaming trail
Im on and off playing it since 1.0, never got one myself
vital cave
REVERT LICH
pearl snow
?????
prisma dust
any tips for rip blood lich in hardcore? i'm playing it for the first time and all the passives and skills are draining my life, giving me -res, putting dots on me 😭
unique crown
My lich has had like 10k hp and can die if I activate my toggles without first drinking a health potion. Seems bold to try one in HC.
sly forge
+20 to all stats is really nice for blood specters given that they scale very ni...
But pearl amulet gives 1.1 more dmg (1.1 more dmg taken to enemies)
vocal yoke
i hit the T8 Sinathias max
pretty crazy - ticks at 80-90k. Don't think i'll corrupt it unless i hit another one. Farming havocs suck
Majasas shield was a good one too - i'll complete the build with another swine ammy with decriptfy - thanks @pearl snow !
stuck owlBOT
pearl snow
i hit the T8 Sinathias max
pretty crazy - ticks at 80-90k. Don't think i'll cor...
sheesh
honestly that weapon also kinda great cuz of the resistance lol
vocal yoke
yeah i kept rolling for the solarum bases but in the grand scheme it didn't matter
witchfire at its essence feels like an auradin - but needing to maintain the overload procs
obtuse quest
REVERT LICH
What are you on about
tacit plinth
New lich pretty badass 💪
obtuse quest
LIch being used seriously in HC
And my parents are gods, sure.
vital cave
thats my point
lich used to be a strong hc base, especially poison coal or crit coal, overleech + twisted heart combo, high cast speed w. rip blood...
aberroth dead in a day of league start, casual 600 corr farm
none of this is remotely doable anymore as lich since they absolutely gutted its max hits and qol
just a gigantic anti-synergy mess
pearl snow
Lich not being viable in HC does not make it bad in the slightest
vital cave
it certainly does
pearl snow
🫡
pearl snow
yeah i'm not wrong. But im not going to keep arguing with someone who thinks their opinion is a fact
vital cave
surely.. surely you would acknowledge that not being viable in one of the TWO GAME MODES would make it... "slightly" bad? ...
sly forge
how is not being viable in HC make it bad?
vital cave
by definition, of course
tacit plinth
I mean who wants to play lich on hard-core
vital cave
nobody because its a shit class
imagine reworking a class and weakning it... then imagine doing that after Sentinel...
sly forge
then just don't play it in HC
tacit plinth
Whenever you go out of lich form you dead ,new lich is very tanky still even with unspecced death seal
sly forge
for me it's one of the tankiest and strongest class here
tacit plinth
Go play judgement pally for hard-core if lich isn't good now for you
Its a badass mastery now after rework
obtuse quest
surely.. surely you would acknowledge that not being viable in one of the TWO GA...
You assume they balance classes based on HC? We even doubt them balancing classes past abberoth in SC
What makes you think they care about HC balance?
tacit plinth
What balance we got this league 😅
obtuse quest
It’s also a game mode played rarely compared to SC.
pearl snow
Regardless of balancing logic, a class having an incredibly strong identity of its own survivability doesnt mean its bad. HC is always going to favor stuff that doesnt need gear to be defensive
obtuse quest
I see 20 SC guides before 1HC guide
tacit plinth
I dont bother with HC on arpgs a breeze from a mob or bs or overturned damage insta kills you in every single one
I rather keep my insanity intact
obtuse quest
If they really cared about balance falconeer wouldn’t hit past 10k corruption for the 3rd season in a row.
That godamn bird.
tacit plinth
Imagine hc with the omen slugs that were nerfed last week like 💀
Surely silver shroud gonna get nuked someday
sly forge
hmm
interesting
bleed chaos bolt lich has two sources of scaling dmg
cold res and HP
vital cave
i tried it, its ok. problem is u really want to use the carrion gloves and yet that conflicts with omega tank gloves. dmg wise its just weaker than the crit flaybolts build, but it does have better qol as leech works well with dots + auto rip blood is convenient.
pallid geyser
OMG it finnaly happeend! like 250+ necks finnaly a neck with maddness and a good stat LETS GO hard core
wtf and now jsut a 2nd one .....
vital cave
why is my abomination (who is sacrificing + producing blood wraiths) occasionally obliterating itself instantly for no damn reason
lost gale
why is my abomination (who is sacrificing + producing blood wraiths) occasionall...
sacrifice seems to have a small AOE in which it searches for a minion to sacrifice, as long as the abom isn't next to the minions it's sacrificing it won't usually die
it's a bug unfortunately but it seems to be a bug with sacrifice more than with abom in particular using sacrifice
if you don't give your skellies too much revive chance and you don't summon them near the abom it'll last longer
(with high revive chance they can often respawn more or less underneath him which leads to him being more likely to sac himself)
vital cave
hrm i have 80% revive chance maybe thats too high
that explains why lenny my dinosaur sometimes eats it
lost gale
the good thing about that build is that resummoning abom is a lot less effort than it is for more traditional abom builds
noble flame
The auto-revive can be annoying. I also recommend using Skeleton Archers as it helps reduce the odds of them overlapping with the Abom
I hardly ever have to resummon with archers. With rogues and warriors I found myself having to resummon a lot more frequently
noble flame
Blood Wraiths decay an increasing rate based on their max hp, right?
lost gale
I think the decay on most things is an escalating flat amount rather than percentile
dread shade being the big exception
noble flame
I wonder if it'd be worth using minion regen for blood wraiths... then again, if Abom wasnt bugged I'd just be running Sinathia and not worry about uptime.
I suppose minion health is just better
lost gale
Sinathia seems like you'd sacrifice a fair bit of dps or survivability with face of the mountain.
If you're on T-rex then you don't want the abom to be endlessly resummoning specters anyway, the T-rex roar has the issue of temporary buffs with temporary minions in that the timing of gaining the buff and summoning the minion can be pretty punishing
the faster your specters get swapped out the less uptime on the buff
noble flame
I dont like T-Rex for blood Wraith. I think i'd go T8 Sinatha (assuming Abom is fixed) for mapping and Lemniscale for bossing
lost gale
why T8 sinathia? to save passive points?
you only need a good roll on T5 to hit 100% if you get the passive & skill stuff
noble flame
Minion health and passives saved. Not a lot to put T8 on. Could go for Infernal Champ ring
T8 Bleed Chance helm would be solid though
I dont think I'd ever trade the Shattered Worlds + Advent of the Erased combo once unlocked. It's just perma frenzy for minions and you take less DoT (and perma haste)
You also dont even need Veins of Malice with the combo. So that's 3 mastery points back
sly forge
I wonder
can't we have any good single target dot warlock build?
at least lich has bleed chaos bolt
and necro has blood wraith
sly forge
ST?
sly forge
ah ok
sly forge
but that still sucks compared to bleed lich :)))
pearl snow
Witchfire also gets so much “more” multi that “increased” gets better late game lol
sly forge
that thing has two multiplier source
pearl snow
Used to be good
sly forge
necrotic res and crit multi
pearl snow
Got outpaced
sly forge
sadge
well
since witchfire and torment seems to be the only decent dot build I'm aware of
pearl snow
Yeah its just very difficult since Lock has no unique defensive function or offensive items
sly forge
bleed chaos bolt better on lich
pearl snow
Yep you cant fight the health gain on lock
sly forge
like almost everything is better on lich
warlock is only better on warlock exclusive stuff
pearl snow
Yeah warlock needs some sort of mana to health cast conversion
sly forge
like profane veil
apoc zombie
flame whip
it's impossible to play these build by not being warlock
pearl snow
Yep
sly forge
otherwise lich is just better
pearl snow
Warlock is a mastery for unlocking builds at the moment
4% more dmg per curse is way too low
Extra fire and necro res is whatever
I need to setup an offline market character so I can mess around more but so much is just objectively worse on Lock vs Lich
tacit plinth
Witchfire needs to have lower duration 12 seconds is too much to apply its damage
Doesn't matter if it has huge base if it takes forever to apply the damage
tender ridge
Yeah its just very difficult since Lock has no unique defensive function or offe...
lock has wither that other masteries don't get DR from iirc
it's more that lock just doesn't have as strong defensive options and non-stacking DoTs kinda just suck for single target.
pearl snow
lock has wither that other masteries don't get DR from iirc
Yeah thats barely a plus anyways
tender ridge
it's another multiplicative damage reduction layer
it's still something
spell dot overhaul is on my wishlist for 1.5
alongwith all the shaman changes they've talked about
sly forge
btw @pearl snow it's nice to see that bleed chaos bolt lich has two multiplier source
health and cold res
tender ridge
health is by far the more important of the two
it looks at flat missing, not percent
soul feast actually has the exact same multiplier on the tree, but it's bugged and doesn't scale with points allocated. so it's only 1/5 of the full value
pearl snow
spell dot overhaul is on my wishlist for 1.5
Hard agree
pearl snow
btw <@98296396683157504> it's nice to see that bleed chaos bolt lich has two mu...
Yeah, health is a much higher multi like Confeh said which is why lich is usually stronger for it
tender ridge
every time i look at drain life I think to myself "literally any build I could make with this would be outright better with stygian coal"
tender ridge
i don't think any skill should have required uniques
pearl snow
Lol yeah
tender ridge
I think its 1% more per 20 missing hp
yeah it's 1% per 20. soul feast has 5% per 100 in the phys section
toast and I were brewing with it. I found a 2LP wheel of torment early on and wanted to find a way to use it
the build has absolutely insane clear potential with pretty okay single target, but both are severely limited by the bug
there's actually a few bugs related to it lol
tender ridge
it's basically only because of wheel of torment that the build works the way it does
pearl snow
Ah
tender ridge
soul feast has multi-screen wide AoE it turns out. it's just you don't normally have cursed enemies that far away
wheel of torment fixes that by applying torment. you take the node in Fissure for the torment self buff, convert fissure to phys so ignite converts to bleed, and take the node that spreads your ignites when you torment stuff
wear bleed primo gloves. then in soul feast you have 3% damned chance per int, blood tethers on hit, and 5% more phys ailment per 100 missing health
i was hitting 700+ bleed stacks in single target
lost gale
since witchfire and torment seems to be the only decent dot build I'm aware of
you can do some stuff with poison because poison overload is really good but IIRC it's better as Lich because, well, Lich just gets a lot of % inc damage compared to warlock.
pearl snow
i was hitting 700+ bleed stacks in single target
Higher than I thought pretty good
tender ridge
yeah there's absolutely room for a good build there
but the % per missing health node is bugged and only ever gives 1% per 100
pearl snow
Oof lol
tender ridge
wheel of torment also doesn't create 2 fissures when spec'd into the gloom node
the ignite spread when tormented node might not actually spread bleeds, but it's hard for me to confirm with my build because I have so much bleed chance
lost gale
very silly that soul feast's multis mostly don't do anything for ailments and/or are bugged and it's still not terrible for most content
tender ridge
and a personal nitpick is that it should be "soul feast deals more physical damage over time" and not "more physical ailment damage"
that way it affects blood tethers
blood tethers scales so poorly anyway that it might as well get the buff
pearl snow
I guess if we ever see it fixed its worth an try
abstract finch
Is pumping corruption up on regular better to gear over pushing empowered? I fee like im not able to farm for any real upgrades, stuck with the saem gear for a while now
obtuse quest
Is pumping corruption up on regular better to gear over pushing empowered? I fee...
Not at all, leave regular asap.
(Empowered starts at 100 corruption. Regular starts at 0 and caps at 50).
winter storm
how are minion builds now?
pearl snow
good like always, what type are you talking about
winter storm
I'm thinking necromancer/skeletons. I know abom is supposed to be better, but sometimes you just want an army
obtuse quest
I'm thinking necromancer/skeletons. I know abom is supposed to be better, but so...
If you want a small army, then skeletal mages are doing their thing/
If you want specifically normal skeletons or a large army, then too bad
pearl snow
^ yeah Right now mages are holding their own and Zombies are doing well
Thats about it. I think Rogues are still fine and Golems are kinda good add ins to anything
noble flame
I'm thinking necromancer/skeletons. I know abom is supposed to be better, but so...
Abomination can be used to summon Blood Spectres. You'll basically run around with Abom + 13 Spectres (there's a hard limit).
lost gale
blood specters are a larger army and vastly better than skeletons
jagged cobalt
Any tips on solving mana issues with Mana Flay before getting Great Harvest at 70?
quick willow
is there another way to damn yourself besides marina lost soul?
on Lich
im trying to scale physical death seal
lost gale
is there another way to damn yourself besides marina lost soul?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgzATArAnEA this, but I warn you it's terrible
jagged cobalt
Perfect synergy with the Self ignite belt
lost gale
self ignite belt doesn't generate enough stacks, what you need to do is use maehlin's hubris to convert bleeds to ignite and use spirit plague and/or harvest to inflict bleeds on yourself that get converted to ignites by the gloves
and obviously fire AoD helps
quick willow
ah can't my weapon slots are taken
im hitting like 4m per death wave right now
but im only at like 10, rarely 15 damn stacks
lost gale
https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/damned/sources here's everything relating to damned in the game
quick willow
yeah already checked that
lost gale
unfortunately penance and bone curse can't apply it to you
quick willow
it does feel good though
wave of death
at 170 madness
you have big area
and good dmg
jagged cobalt
Are you triggering Wave with Reap/Evade?
I'd been thinking about trying a build like that
quick willow
already did last season, but it was awful
but now with madness conversion it gets interesting
im scaling damage with palarus, cleaver solution and aura of decay
jagged cobalt
Stack Strength for spell damage and make it apply to Madness huh? 🤔
quick willow
yep
exulis with guile/madness would be awesome
that rampancy conversion is a bit annoying
palarus
the area
quick willow
Are you triggering Wave with Reap/Evade?
crab ring is good for evade procs btw
pearl snow
Ew
jagged cobalt
crab ring is good for evade procs btw
I was thinking more along the lines of Pots reduce Traversal CD belt exp affix and/or Lightning in a Bottle
quick willow
true lightning in a bottle might be good
jagged cobalt
Piano Potioning isn't fun tho 😿
I'd really love to see more effects around Potions. Tons of affixes never see use because they're annoying. Effects Auto using them (like that Rogue Flask chest) and auto refilling them would be cool
quick willow
nice I got a lucky corruption, after the t7 move speed slam failed
tepid orbit
finally got to monos for once.....so i've got a couple questions:
- What builds are currently the most fun on Warlock (heavily opinionated, I know)?
- What stats do you need to have/level do you need to be before trying to do empowered monos? (might as well ask while i'm here)
gleaming trail
finally got to monos for once.....so i've got a couple questions:
1. What build...
For point 2, there is no level requirement but the best way is to enter them and see if your killing mobs at a decent pace and if you are able to survive a hit or 2
Its often around level 60-70ish, its really gear/build dependant
pearl snow
finally got to monos for once.....so i've got a couple questions:
1. What build...
Warlock has Witchfire and Flame Whip which are great
some people like the new apocalypse zombies but I very much dislike it and its heavily gear dependent so I doubt you can even attempt it give your ask about empowered monos
gleaming trail
Will say witchfire is fun, and there is different ways of doing it
But as you said, its opinionated
Im currently trying to farm this and i have a few questions
- Is nemesis towers the best way of farming it?
- Do CoF prophecies boost the drop rate?
- Does it matter if i place the un/upgraded version in the weaver tree?
pearl snow
Im currently trying to farm this and i have a few questions
1. Is nemesis towers...
- Nem in general, the Weaver tree can give this guaranteed drops of items that can upgrade
- CoF should technically by dropping more maces per the Nemesis
- it shouldnt
gleaming trail
Thanks 🫡
jagged cobalt
Warlock has Witchfire and Flame Whip which are great
How does Flame whip play anywho? Just walk around and throw down Fissures?
pearl snow
How does Flame whip play anywho? Just walk around and throw down Fissures?
yeah, these days some convert to Phys and use Rip Blood & Marrow Shards to clear
tepid orbit
Warlock has Witchfire and Flame Whip which are great
Was just looking at your build guide for Witchfire actually. I noticed you had a variant up with Ash Wake - how would you say that version compares to the, i guess, 'core' version?
Also, how usable is Firestarter's Torch on the core build? I saw it was listed in the Equipment section, but only mentioned in the FAQ in conjunction with Infernal Shades or Hungering Souls.
pearl snow
Was just looking at your build guide for Witchfire actually. I noticed you had a...
- Ash Wake is probably more total damage these days but requires a bit more investment since you need to balance Int / FIre Resistances alongside your usual stuff
- Firestarters is a solid starting point / weapon. With 3LP it can be strong but with the recent buff to T8 Sinathia's Affix its no longer as competitive. It's mainly in the FAQ because Hungering Souls gives you a 40% More DoT dmg buff to targets effected by Spreading Flames.
tepid orbit
Gotcha. Thanks.
obtuse quest
is there another way to damn yourself besides marina lost soul?
Warlock has one on kill but you’re lich so no dice
prisma smelt
Any recommandation for a necromancer build that can clear triple omen veils at 1k corruption (other than abo)
lost gale
Any recommandation for a necromancer build that can clear triple omen veils at 1...
you open to a build that scales player rather than minion damage?
still necro
prisma smelt
you open to a build that scales player rather than minion damage?
Yeah sure
lost gale
Yeah sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6P55u1gBeU
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1uhzf0gk#1
video is from s3 but planner is updated for s4
prisma smelt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6P55u1gBeU
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planne...
Perfect thanks !
glad pumice
Is there a reason to do them in high corruption?
night hemlock
Any recommandation for a necromancer build that can clear triple omen veils at 1...
My Abom got deleted at the triple Omen but in hind sight that might have been due to a bug that got fixed
Tried it early on with one of my Legacy character
prisma smelt
Is there a reason to do them in high corruption?
to get better loot and more T7
prisma smelt
My Abom got deleted at the triple Omen but in hind sight that might have been du...
I don't know I don't really like Abom build
night hemlock
I prefer minion army builds personally
If I could have a frog build but Necro themed I would play only that
lost gale
blood specters isn't far off
they're fast, you get 13 of them, giga dps, replaced quickly if killed
night hemlock
You got a planner to hand I can check out?
wise leaf
hello, im looking to make a build with ghostflame. is it viable to go damage with (close to) 100% uptime?
lost gale
You got a planner to hand I can check out?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/jdorange/character/jdorangeS4NEC this guy is doing 5k corruption
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/nutsSSSS/character/Abatun 2k corruption
neither of those are quite optimal afaik, but they're still obviously more than good enough
night hemlock
Will take a look, thank you
lost gale
eg I think 1lp attack speed julra gloves are better than those falcon bleed gloves & much easier to get
obtuse quest
hello, im looking to make a build with ghostflame. is it viable to go damage wit...
It either has good damage or has max uptime.
noble flame
You got a planner to hand I can check out?
This is my current planner. Only running 650 corr rn. I've been tinkering with swapping back to Monument + Shield for mapping though.
I agree with Embryo, the Julra's is the better pick. I'm also liking Shattered World + Advent boots for perma frenzy on minions (and I save a few mastery points)
I also think people are sleeping on the dodge value for this build.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM6x1Mm5
stuck owlBOT
sly forge
wait
how could "shared cold damage" unavailable in acolyte idol suffixes?
isn't cold one of the damage type of acolyte? such as cold mages, cold aod, cold flay and harvest
is this some kind of EHG joke?
old hull
It wasn't until recently, instead they have minion cold damage idols
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AEwTgLEA
sly forge
well I guess I will leave the optimization thing for tomorrow
night hemlock
Why the Exulis? Just for the stats?
sly forge
Why the Exulis? Just for the stats?
tbh 20 vit, 2 skills and 20 int is actually good
20 int=20 pen
20 vit=more minion dot dmg
noble flame
Why the Exulis? Just for the stats?
Stats really. The extra area from Madness is nice too. Omnis is also a really solid pick just for the defenses.
night hemlock
Why do you get area from maddness?
I thought it was multi?
Nvm
Stupid question XD
noble flame
Most of what Exulis does is forgotten lol
wise leaf
Does the mana efficiency from isidora set apply to the channel cost from ghostflame?
vocal yoke
well to end the szn i coruptted my T8 sinathias and ruined it
i pivoted to mana flay lich -to farm havocs - but now i only have a 590% increased curse damage mace
i'll do necro in S5
gleaming trail
Does the mana efficiency from isidora set apply to the channel cost from ghostfl...
Im currently running a ghostflame build (using it for defense while witchfire does damage)
Depending on how you are doing mana regen, the bluefeather band might be a good option
wise leaf
Im currently running a ghostflame build (using it for defense while witchfire do...
Yeah my first thought was going legends entwined cause there seem so many good skill nodes
stuck owlBOT
gleaming trail
If you want levels for ghostflame, this is pretty good
And if your scaling damage, a option is to scale it is if you take the "Decreipt Mortals" node it gains the curse tag
wise leaf
Hmm spine is interesting
My plan was to go damage and try to channel as much as possible
Maybe go ghostflame/profane veil and rotate with transplant
gleaming trail
You could make it physical damage and use AoD to shread res (but then spine would only give +6 levels max)
Another thing to look at is using the relic "Reliquary Nest" to make your idols better
Just dont use ghost flame to apply dots, its got really bad scaling for it
Its 200% ignite and 300% dammed per second, cant stack it fast enough
wise leaf
Just dont use ghost flame to apply dots, its got really bad scaling for it
Really? my initial plan was to go dots... Was thinking to pair it with ash wake boots maybe
gleaming trail
Well if you used any other skill and got 3 hits in a second (very easy look at chaos bolts) you would apply more dots
And a lot of the damage nodes in GF tree is for direct damage
So that wont buff the dots
Dont get me wrong, if you want to do it, go for it
Just know you will hit your corruption wall a lot lower
Best part about last epoch is you can make any build, and do semi decent
wise leaf
Yeah thats true
rugged onyx
I,m doing a kinda crit/dex Flay build on my way to 300Cand been using a relic with T5 8 dex stacked on it. A relic with T6 +3 to harvest dropped and wonder if that would be better option maybe? rest of the stats are neglectable ie weaver's will resists.
gleaming trail
Yeah thats true
Another thing to look at is converting attunement to apathy for mana regen, the down side isnt too bad on acolyte
prisma smelt
is this blessing for a only minion build?
like all shred res on hit if I only play minion?
gleaming trail
is this blessing for a only minion build?
You would have to hit but minions would do increased damage
As its a debuff you put on the enemy
prisma smelt
You would have to **hit** but minions would do increased damage
oh so it's not good if i don't hit ennemy bc minions can't have on Hit ? (to be sure)
gleaming trail
Minions do hit
But that blessing is for your character not for minions
It would have to say on minion hit
So its not good if you dont do any hits
prisma smelt
Minions do hit
But that blessing is for your character not for minions
oh okay ty!
wise leaf
does the poison from the "infectious bones" and "plague bearers" nodes in aura of decay convert to ignite with the ash wake boots?
gleaming trail
Infections bones, yes
Plague bearers, i dont know
wise leaf
allright thank you
gleaming trail
It doesnt say that on the other one, but i would assume it does also work with a change element
As you have to get it before infectious bones
Just tested it, yeah it does work
wise leaf
perfect, thanks for the help 🙂
pearl snow
Yep everything that normally converts for AoD cold or phys works the same for Ash Wake
gleaming trail
With 3 skeleton it was doing 2-4 ignites on a dummy (from some passive i have)
Turned AoD on and they were getting 8ish ignites
pearl snow
I dont think Plague Bearers (the poison chance one) converts but I’ve been playing Mages and Zombies so they convert poison to ignite anyways
So it might
lost gale
fire AoD should convert plague to spreading flames
maybe it does and I haven't noticed
lost gale
shame
gleaming trail
Yeah big shame, would have used it if it did
lost gale
would be a nice way of getting spreading flames for fire HS
leaden warren
Guys, I’m having trouble with the in-game filter… is there any place where I can create them, or do you just make them manually? The one from maxroll is pretty good, but it seems to only work with the builds available on the site. For example, this torment wl with Spine of Malatros isn’t the version I want to play.
unreal sequoia
Its super easy to make, do you need help to make them or you understand, but want filter already made ? I do my filters so I never tried, but you can simply do your build on last epoch tool website and generate the filters once your build is done
leaden warren
Its super easy to make, do you need help to make them or you understand, but wan...
i want a filter with a ash wake boots version of spine of malatros
obtuse quest
i want a filter with a ash wake boots version of spine of malatros
What does “ a ash wake boots version of spine of malatros” even mean? It’s two different items
vital cave
REVERT LICH
vital cave
What does “ a ash wake boots version of spine of malatros” even mean? It’s two d...
its the ignite fire stacking one with fire slappy
obtuse quest
its the ignite fire stacking one with fire slappy
No as in “that’s two different items and items don’t have more than one version unless it’s swine pearls”
muted mist
i want a filter with a ash wake boots version of spine of malatros
If you just want to make sure that those two items are shown by your loot filter, you can add a rule at the top (highest priority) to show them. Adding that to any loot filter will work. If you're asking how to modify the loot filter to show you the best gear for your build which you've customized from a guide, then you probably need to do the work of figuring out what gear you want in each slot and construct loot filter rules for that gear. It's not hard, just tedious. Should be tons of guides out there.
lean sequoia
Idk if it's any more useful than using the in game editor but muffin.gg does exist to build and save filters: https://muffin.gg/editor
leaden warren
What does “ a ash wake boots version of spine of malatros” even mean? It’s two d...
a warlock converting aura to ignite chance and stacking ignite chance on set for more damage with whips
obtuse quest
a warlock converting aura to ignite chance and stacking ignite chance on set for...
Okay, as in "I get the idea, but that sentence made no sense becuase you merged two items"
Also pretty sure ignite whips worked wonders before ash wake existed
gleaming trail
For warlock what are the ways i can self curse?
I know of
Bone curse aura / Chthonic fissure self torment / Profane veil
Any other way?
muted mist
Wheel of Torment also self curses as I recall
Mark for Death probably has some other options
obtuse quest
There's this thing
old hull
Pearl amulets with bone curse aura
gleaming trail
For flay, does the blood eruption change element with conversion nodes? (ice/necrotic)
prisma smelt
Hey which build is better for high corruption/omen veil : fire necromancer or cold necromancer ?
obtuse quest
Do you know how little that narrows it down without saying what's the core minion being used?
And if you say "army" then expect to be disappointed.
lost gale
7 mages is an army (expect to be disappointed in getting a good blight of lachesis)
obtuse quest
Is it really an army when there's only one minion type? That's an elite task force no?
lost gale
it's the skelly magevengers
obtuse quest
lost gale
or the skelly mA(ge)-team
sly forge
Hey which build is better for high corruption/omen veil : fire necromancer or co...
both are equally strong
lost gale
both are equally strong
they didn't say they're playing skelly mages stacking mana etc just cold/fire. Could be fire and cold golems they're comparing in which case the fire one is much much much stronger
could be fire/cold skelly archers which are both gonna be horribly mid
obtuse quest
both are equally strong
Yeah damage type on necromancer literally tells us nothing unless it also comes with the core minion.
obtuse quest
Hey which build is better for high corruption/omen veil : fire necromancer or co...
Know that if it’s fire army or cold army both are bad, so you really need to be more specific.
prisma smelt
Do you know how little that narrows it down without saying what's the core minio...
Oh sorry army mb I like having a lot of minions
prisma smelt
Know that if it’s fire army or cold army both are bad, so you really need to be ...
Oh okay
lost gale
if you want a good build with a lot of minions running around try blood specters
you get at least 13, probably closer to 20 minions
wise leaf
You guys think this build cold work as a concept? its a full dot build with fissure / ghostflame rotation. Probably more investment needed for sustain? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3Zl7m7d
stuck owlBOT
obtuse quest
You guys think this build cold work as a concept? its a full dot build with fiss...
So ghostflame does no damage?