💀┃acolyte

[sly forge]

if you only allow 2 weaver idols then why design the refracted slots like that?

hmm

wait I see

that altar is usable for 2 adorned idols

1 weaver idol

and 2 large idols

[calm dome]

Do you think it would be more efficient to just self cast the Wraiths if the goal is to spawn them often just to let them die or would Wraithlord be better QoL wise

[lost gale]

what else is your build doing because self casting wraiths is quite expensive mana wise

[oak lion]

Abomination no longer decays or age of undying was just nerfed?

[unkempt sedge]

what's a good warlock leveling build?

[lost gale]

no longer decays

[oak lion]

Wow, did that happen in omens patch?

[lost gale]

nah that was 1.3

abom got reworked in 1.3

[oak lion]

Thx

[calm dome]

I was thinking of using Aberrant Call staff to make as many wraiths and benefit from their deaths. The two angles I am thinking of is doom brand or something with zombies. Spawn zombies from wraith deaths then work with zombie death effects like sacrifice or infernal shade.

But that's as far as I got with the idea in my head

[lost gale]

okay well wraithlord is your friend if you want to spawn them fast

he summons wraiths 2 at a time with no mana cost or cooldown

WL himself won't be healing/leeching/DPSing though and he'll decay and die with aberrant call

so you'll have to keep resummoning the WL himself

[calm dome]

Would he not eat the zombies that spawn from wraith deaths?

[lost gale]

yes he would

[calm dome]

I thought Wraithlord eats non Wraith minions to heal

[lost gale]

but zombies explode anyway

zombies explode on death, they have a skill they use that kills them. so WL eating a zombie will just make it explode early

[calm dome]

That's the plan yes

[lost gale]

There's something similar you can do without wraiths/call which is summon skeletons and summon zombie and sacrifice.

Skeletons return mana to you on death and can respawn, zombies trigger sacrifice on death which kills skeletons, which spawns more zombies

you just cast summon skeletons and it triggers sacrifice and zombies a lot

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDsCYA4BYg there's also this, zombies can trigger infernal shade on death

you'd have 8 wraiths plus WL

but if you want to summon 20 wraiths with aberrant call and have them die then I think you need wraithlord

[calm dome]

Yeah I was looking at the ghost maker as something to try with the wraith+zombie concept. I wondered if resummoning the wraithlord from the weapon trigger would desummon the wraiths the previous one spawned

Not even sure if I want to do player damage scaling or minion damage scaling. The damned chance on wraith death seems bad numbers wise but works with the concept

[jovial aspen]

is fire golem bugged? he justs falls asleep during rare encounters until resummoned

[noble flame]

Yeah, mine would do that too. Using the minion command button (A) usually fixed it

[sly forge]

hmm

for wraithlord, is there even any reason to play it over abom?

like it does not have more dmg and clearing

[patent drift]

It, abom and solo mage fill the same niche so the best between them will be played

[raw surge]

people playing what they enjoy.... perhaps? 🤣

Unless people are solely here for the "completion" aspect of the game

Could never be me, i might get as far or do as good as others, but my joy comes from doing my own builds and playing my own unique ways.

I do strive to complete "most" content at some point. Not worried about uberroth because like 1% of players have beat him. But each season I push more corruption and get more successful it seems as i learn more. Heres to hoping I get there.

[sly forge]

ah ok

for me it's about picking the build I love too and minmax them with full t7 gears :)))

to see how strong they can be

also too lazy farming online

too few time to do it now

[raw surge]

thats fair, alot of people want to fully experience the game, in the quickest time, and play a really strong build. For me its a much more personal/ creative/ accomplishment thing

I just beat corruption 234 furthest ive ever gotten 👍

[sly forge]

well that's depend on opinions

I like trying new builds too

[raw surge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PDEpXv

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Lich (7) / Warlock (77)

General:

▸ Health: 2,655, Regen: 19.16/s
▸ Mana: 223.48, Regen: 16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 296%, Regen: 199/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 23 Dex / 106 Int / 10 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 191% / 84% / 110% / 168% / 87% / 411% / 119%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 637
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,295)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Profane Veil

[raw surge]

this is my current build

[sly forge]

I'm just lazy to farm online

so I do full t7 to see how strong they can be

[pearl snow]

Has anyone played Bleed Whips this season yet?

[lost gale]

no the way it works is it resummons the wraithlord every time it triggers, the wraiths it summoned stay alive.

it's mildly annoying for the purposes of having a reliable minion to put dread shade on because it keeps getting resummoned without the shade.

[lost gale]

you interested in trying to cook experimental stuff?

since I saw the lich rework I've been very interested in dual wielding ghostmakers with WL helmet to have 6 wraiths consistently

[sly forge]

well... I'm interested in stuff that can does bossing first

[reef helm]

For Spire of Malatros, it says that nodes that affect the fissure apply to flame whip, but nodes that only affect the spirits do not. Is this node technically the fissure or the spirits? Does it make them whip faster?

[sly forge]

and how can lich have consistent wraiths against enemies like uberroth?

[old hull]

That is technically the fissure's stat, yes it whips more often

[lost gale]

ghostmaker's on-kill triggers seem to trigger when your infernal shades kill your own minions too

[reef helm]

wonderful, thank you

[sly forge]

oh wait

since it is worded "kill an enemy"

does minion count as enemy?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDsCYA4BYg

[lost gale]

I think it's just a bug

[sly forge]

if it's a bug then I'll skip

since someone will report it and it will be fixed

right now I just don't know one thing

lich or warlock for self-cast sacrifice

[lost gale]

self cast sac to deal damage?

[sly forge]

yes

[frail pebble]

Does the aura of decay fume weaver node (the minus res scaling with int) do less resistance or reduced

tooltip says less but that sounds kinda whack tbh

[lost gale]

I'd use zombies to automate it tbh, 50% cost reduction is a lot

sacrifice is an expensive skill

[old hull]

It's neither in the technical sense of the word. It is added negative resistance, just like shred.

[sly forge]

hmm, right now

warlock has fissure to boost spell dmg

while lich can dual wield

[frail pebble]

so only moderate resist overcapping required to offset it, gotcha

[sly forge]

and warlock could also have insane cast speed

[lost gale]

also there's an interesting thing about using sacrifice via zombies which are spawned via summon skeletons dying -> the cast speed of sacrifice is correlated with the rate at which minions die

[old hull]

Right, and the +resist while AoD is active (respite) converts with AoD, so it will also help to offset

[sly forge]

yes

[lost gale]

so you can spam cast summon skellies, them dying recovers mana, spawns more zombies and the way skelly respawning works is quite good for this

Let's say you have 9/9 Skellies and 1 dies at 0s
0s: skelly dies
2.9s you have 9/9 skellies and one dies
3s you have 8/9 skellies alive, the skelly that died at 0s respawns

so you can actually have way way more than 9 skeletons waiting to respawn at a time

they only don't seem to respawn if you have max skellies exactly 3s after they died

you can have any number of skeletons alive at any time between 0-2.99999s and they can come back as long as you don't have max skellies at 3s

I think warlock for flat damage btw

[sly forge]

right now my current question is

[lost gale]

Spoon plus a good source of flat damage is great

[sly forge]

should I spec in blood wraith

for more dmg to chain

[lost gale]

nah

[sly forge]

and how many point should I use in the % chance to cast sacrifice on zombie death

because 100% chance= not sufficient mana

[lost gale]

50% works well I think

[ember fractal]

Question

Does Foot of the Mountain boots drop location mean it drops from the boss or from random enemies inside Dungeon?

[sly forge]

also

for stygian coal

is there any reason to go for lich now?

now I realize it

if we could have rip blood warlock

then why cant we have stygian coal warlock?

@lost gale what do you think?

[lost gale]

mana might be rough

fissure plus drain life spam

cast speed might make up for it

[sly forge]

lich has better mana sustain?

[lost gale]

lich just doesn't have to spend the mana on fissure

[sly forge]

oh yeah forgot one thing

I use all idols for mana stacking now

[noble flame]

From the boss of the dungeon

[sly forge]

no space left for "cast speed while cursed"

@lost gale best weapon for sacrifice I think https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCcCYFZyA

[lost gale]

I think that sacrifice costs full mana

if you have it chaining a lot that's a lot

[sly forge]

Hmm we can adjust between this and the sacrifice chance node in zombie

[tender ridge]

@old hull it occured to me this morning that I should be using shroud instead of exsanguinous. I want to keep the bleeds around for warlock self-ailment passive

[sly forge]

btw @lost gale I need to sleep now

so we might continue tomorrow

I'm an acolyte and sentinel lover

so I priortize making builds on them first

[feral ibex]

hi guys, i need help, how i can play rip blood warlock without mad alchemist's ladle ? is there other options ? before loot it ?

[tender ridge]

you can probably just use a good cast speed wand

but ladle is pretty big for the build. you get it from arcane mages

[feral ibex]

i can loot it where ? i can take my rogue to get it ?

[tender ridge]

any arcane mage can drop it

yeah you can farm it on a rogue

[noble flame]

You get it from Exiled Mages. They're in those obelisk prison things

[tender ridge]

exiled mage

yeah those

[noble flame]

There's an echo with a bunch of Exiled Mages. Probably a good one to slot and farm

[feral ibex]

that is monolith place ?...

i just start sorry

[tender ridge]

I still haven't had one of those drop. I need to craft some ward gloves 😡

[noble flame]

If you're just starting, then I wouldn't worry too much about it. You'll encounter exiled mages during the campaign. There's a good chance you'll find the Mad Alchemist's Ladle before you even get the Weaver Echo.

[feral ibex]

okay thank's a lot 🙏

[noble flame]

Acutally, same now that I think about it. I think it's one of the ones I'm still missing. Has anyone seen it this season?

I'm now wondering if the loot table is bugged lol

[tender ridge]

it's rare. only comes from exiled mages

[noble flame]

ah, i been skipping them a bit

time to update my weaver tree

[tender ridge]

someone in chat was offering to help people with a free ride last night but when I whispered them they never replied

[old hull]

Maybe - I'm not sure it's worth it... pretty sure that passive threshold is suicide regardless

If only all the blood stuff actually synergized well, there's just so many things that are unusable like Valdyr's

[tender ridge]

if warlock had access to the always half-health node from lich it'd be nice

[winged fjord]

Is there a trick to the 10 harbringer echo that grants 2 weaver points? I’ve been face rolling corruption 301 / t4 Julra but this echo feels unbeatable, did some big defensive gear swaps and still can’t get past 5-6 of the 10

[reef helm]

Once you are using spine of malatros and convert spirits to flame whips, how do you reliably proc Damned Overload? I want to use Downfall of the Righteous, but i dont know how to reliably get damned stacks

[tender ridge]

that echo is significantly harder than normal harbingers

just needs better gear than other things at the same tier

[old hull]

Yeah, would be even nicer if that node truly worked for all 'low health' conditions, too

The phys branch on soul feast is really one of the weirdest skill tree branches in game lol

[lost gale]

chaos bolts is the usual method but tbh those are really two different builds

combining them will usually just result in doing neither of those things well

it's true that they both scale off ignite chance a lot but beyond that there's little overlap

[obtuse quest]

Chaos Bolt.

Which you should be using anyway for Witchfire.

[lost gale]

I'm guessing minion poison immunity idol corruption doesn't make your minions immune to the eternal poison from dread shade

[reef helm]

hardcasting it? bc unless i misread the interaction on spine, i dont think it will convert flame whips to chaos bolts

or does it?

[obtuse quest]

Yes, hard casting it.

OVerload only procs via hard casting.

[reef helm]

well i mean i can just trigger the actual proc of it with a fissure, but i more meant getting the actual stacks of damned enough to reach the threshold

[obtuse quest]

It's still Chaos Bolts.

[wintry flame]

have we tested 😮

shoot I'll do it rn

that's huge for lich scorn builds hahaha

[lost gale]

I kinda hoped that taking the poison conversion node with Lich's Scorn would convert the flat into frostbite chance but it doesn't seem like that's a thing

[wintry flame]

nah just overwrites it

[lost gale]

could have some giga frostbite minions if it worked like that

[wintry flame]

yeah the small frostbite chance is kind of funny idk why it's like such a small amount

would be cool if the damned and other chance in the tree would convert

INSANE

it works lets gooo

[lost gale]

Just EHG Things

[tender ridge]

that's actually kinda nuts

[noble flame]

That's kinda crazy

[wintry flame]

it's funny cause I've tried other things to bypass degen and shit like using the infernal shade immunity from the scales axe, but this is a cool interaction

[tender ridge]

inb4 "It's not burning ground, it's burning oil"

[wintry flame]

okay so now that we can have 10 shades with all for one what are the possibilities hmmmm

[tender ridge]

"It's not poison, it's eternal poison"

i'm convinced mages know when you're hunting them

[wintry flame]

HAHA you could make a funny infernal shade mapper with this

[lost gale]

well, not doom brand, they'd kill eachother (and doom brand is bad anyway)

[wintry flame]

root a bunch of minions at the start with 9 shades and just use 1 infernal shade to clear

it'd be a single infernal shade with like 400 flat

[wintry flame]

yeah never doom brand

[wintry flame]

and 800% increased area

KEKW

[haughty shard]

lmao what is that

[noble flame]

That's what killed the dinosaurs

[wintry flame]

oof that's a lot of damage

[tender ridge]

something you probably shouldn't stand in

[tender ridge]

i mostly just like the extra survivability it gives to a solo operative poison rogue

it always would eventually die because of the everlasting poisons

[wintry flame]

a what?

oh

nvm

[tender ridge]

skellies

[wintry flame]

forgot the old way when that build existed

smh I wish that build was still alive

probably the best clear on a necro 🙁

[tender ridge]

i havne't tried it since they reworked how the rogue node works

[wintry flame]

the node is bugged so

[old hull]

It converts to flat cold

[wintry flame]

it does nothing 🙁

so the build is just non existent now

[old hull]

oof

[wintry flame]

The damage for ST comes from overlaps, but with clear you'd just have to run one or maybe a couple to manage, since you can't run zombie proc. It'd be self cast

[lost gale]

couldn't you root unspecialised summon skeletons at the start of a map, use a single zombie ring triggering hellfire shades with <5s duration

[wintry flame]

to get an even amount or what?

[lost gale]

to get close to an even amount I guess

I don't think you can really run 10 shades total either way

[tender ridge]

i think the guaranteed mage node is bugged

[lost gale]

because they'll overwrite the dread shades at the start of the map

[tender ridge]

I went through every inch of this cemetary and there's no mage

[wintry flame]

yeah that's why you do 1 or a couple.

stay near max dread shades and just put one down when the other expires so you're at 9 dread 1 infernal

[quiet seal]

Yeap, check 'season4-known-issues' channel for a full list, but that weaver tree node is not working

[tender ridge]

damn

[quiet seal]

Hey @wintry flame did you ever get a necro minion bee build going? Also you guys keep cooking on this shade build, I like where it's going! 🔥

[rancid sedge]

theres a shade build? im gonna do a minion next season I think

[wintry flame]

I just tested my bleed and crit planners in offline

great single target, no so great clear probs

it also has a reliance on potions so that makes it pretty lame as well

[rancid sedge]

what about the bee exploder build did anyone ever try that

[noble flame]

I was doing a bee build and then realized how good Blood Wraiths are and pivoted lol

[quiet seal]

aww dang, glad you at least got it together offline though!

[wintry flame]

https://streamable.com/qhnkbn

[wintry flame]

yeah blood spectres are just a better version tbh. I didn't test Queen Bee, but I don't have high hopes

[quiet seal]

😅 that's great! I see what you mean abou the potions. 100 bees though!

[wintry flame]

yeah not ideal

[tender ridge]

queen bee to me looks mostly like a flavor thing

[wintry flame]

yeah probably

[quiet seal]

she has looooooooong Cooldown skills too, which is sad

[tender ridge]

tfw you get crit through your 99% crit avoidance

guess that 1% matters sometimes

[quiet seal]

What do you guys think is top 2 or 3 necro builds for 1000c + T3 Omen windows? I guess abom, but also after that? I got to 300c with crit mages but the dps felt spread too thin as soon as lots of mobs spawned

I'm definietly going to try blood wraiths, and perhaps some version of HS mages. Maybe some kind of zombie dot.

[willow verge]

Abom build is ridiculously strong man. Doesn't make sense

[quiet seal]

Are you in high corruption? How do the Omen windows feel with it?

[rancid sedge]

do you still have too snapshot with abom

[quiet seal]

My understanding is you can only snapshot +skills items, so its value is kinda small. It's plenty strong right out of the box, all you need to do is the summoning process once (or if you die) which they sped up this season

[rancid sedge]

may give it a go eventually

I do want to make a proper summoner

[willow verge]

I'm on 1.1k corruption. The omens from the maps is kind difficult but doable

[tacit plinth]

Nah value of snapshots its quite good never small ,makes farming uber a lot faster and thus better by a good margin

[quiet seal]

oooh okay, thanks for the info

[tacit plinth]

Lich set alone is 150 flat

You can some gear swap and make a stronger abo than what maxroll put out in their build

[noble flame]

Mostly it was supposed to be a meme build where I have a lot of health regen and ward regen. Soul Conduits and Empty the Graves don't have a limit. I'm gonna test it, but it eats too many valuable equipment slots.

[wintry flame]

what do you mean they don't have a limit?

I thought they capped at 20 minions

[noble flame]

oh it does say that lol

Can hit that with a bees idol

[willow verge]

How this snapshot functions ? Equip lich scorn and then summon abom?

[quiet seal]

I don't suppose you have (or could make!) a gear planner for the snapshot items on abom? I'd be interested to see the setups

[noble flame]

The "this is capped" stuff is inconsistent. Sometimes in the description above, sometimes in the actual numbers. I'm always caught off guard lol

[wintry flame]

you can snapshot infernal shade as shown and if you want you can snapshot Dread shade, with lich's scorn by swapping shield to set cata and gloves to set gloves, then throw out 10 infernal shades on minions and then put the shade on abom. If you want to snapshot another dread shade, then when you're about to fight a boss, despec dread shade and then take the attach to enemies node and the more dmg node. Don't respec if you don't have the first shade out that is snapshot. then when you fight boss you can put another shade on it and it will give the buffs again to Abom

I told someone the process recently

[tacit plinth]

yeah after the summoning process you would just swap gloves/offhand to lich's set, spec infernal shade with + 1 shade and duration if you want to use the arena dummies to put out the shades or you can spec to attach to minions and summon 10 to put them on. Then you can either have a point in Dread Shade go to +1 shade or ignore, it's just +15 cold flat. throw out 10 shades, then dread shade Abom and swap back to shield/julra's or whatever gloves you have,
You can then respec your infernal shade to put on abom
and if you want a 2nd dread shade can respec it to put on enemies or a throw away minion and get double dread shade buffs, only really necessary on bosses or if you need the armor
Oh and don't zone transition with the lich's set on after summoning lmao, make sure you have your other glove/offhand on

This is from zeckar the man

I just copied what he told me

[wintry flame]

😛

[tacit plinth]

I did 700 ubers with it so thanks for this

[slim niche]

lol, you can summon zombies from bees with profane veil, this might be nice for zombie-lock

just equipped a bunch of 1x1 corrupted idols wich spawn bees, and ... yeah, it works xD

[quiet seal]

@wintry flame @tacit plinth awesome! Thanks

[slim niche]

this might be the season for zombie-bee-lock

or maybe beezombie-lock

[quiet seal]

So, what would this look like if you had 100 bees I wonder?

100 zombies?

[lost gale]

@wintry flame I got it, bees that are immune to damage for 4s and infernal shade that jumps from minion to minion to keep 2-4 giga shades going

[slim niche]

you need only five bees, there is a cap, profane veil "eats" five minions and spits out five zombies

then you explode the zombies with chaos bolts

[quiet seal]

ah yeah, was just reading the skill node, thank you

[slim niche]

it was clearing uber abby last season, and running around/up-to 5000 corruption

[quiet seal]

is this the biuld that feels a bit clunky?

[slim niche]

youtube for "last epoch zombie warlock" theres like bunch of vids.. but the playstyle was really clunky, and I could not play it with controller so I abandoned it for whiplock

but this bee-thingy, this is really interesting, because it automates the clunky part completely

these bees autosummon

and seem to be kinda in a good sync with veil cooldown

hmmm

[quiet seal]

interesting

[wintry flame]

issue is you have to move so slow to keep the chaining

[lost gale]

you think enemy shades are just better?

minion shades get you the 180% more ramp up, but they do need a fair few points of travel and jumping

Could use the actual set glove for -14 cost and spam combustion

[wintry flame]

I think Hellfire is the way, you can target the overlaps and still gets the ramp damage from the minion side of tree

combustion is tough, cause to spam properly you need to exceed shade count and so it will overwrite

or you let it naturally expire

[quiet seal]

@wintry flame Was I right in understanding you discovered the minion poison immune corrupt makes the Pernicious Pact node in Dread Shade do 0 damage?

[wintry flame]

yeah I tested it when @lost gale suggested it

[tender ridge]

damn missed the phys

shock at least converts with carrion

[wintry flame]

it works

[quiet seal]

Thanks 👍

So, it would be technically possible to have 5 mages with a dread and infernal shade each, while utilizing the All for One/Egoism/Blind Fury nodes? (with Lich Set)

[wintry flame]

yeah

[wise leaf]

Thinking about starting mana flay lich, but might try it with some off meta stuff. I was thinking about the phantom mire gloves for slow chance + slow to armor shred corrupt on idols. You guys think this would work? Is max 80% armor shred high enough to get a decent amount of stacks on lich flay?

[lost gale]

You'll get much less flat damage from lich's set that way

[calm dome]

Does wraithlord naturally decay like normal wraiths?

[lost gale]

Yes

[calm dome]

hmm it isn't really decaying for me

I do have minion regen but I thought the degen on wraiths ramp up

[quiet seal]

True, I just wonder is that 30% dmg multi node with crit multi and cast speed nodes might be worth it

[wintry flame]

it's worth it

[quiet seal]

say 9 infernal shades, that 270 flat, with 5 shades it 150x1.3 = 195 flat correct?

[wintry flame]

you start at 10 shades

so 300 with T8

it snapshots the number at cast, not after it overwrites

[quiet seal]

wait, I can have 10 shades, then cast the 11 th as dread and it still counts as 10 infernal? O___O okay

wow ty

[wintry flame]

yup

[lost gale]

oh nvm it doesn't degen apparently, my bad.

What if you spec zombie to spawn with dread shade on it and cast infernal shade on death (hellfire) and you just spam summon zombie

use the set gloves to get negligible costs

[calm dome]

yeah I was thinking of going flickering shade node on sacrifice and going ghostmaker instead of aberrant call

does the infinite duration when attached to minion ignore flickering shade

[wintry flame]

no

[lost gale]

Mishka has a very good build that does this

It's kind of rng heavy but also strong

[lost gale]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1uhzf0gk

Pretty well optimised flickering shades necro, tough to play really well but easy to play well enough to be decent.

[calm dome]

I'm guessing the refresh infernal shade duration node in dread shade works with flickering shade

[solid sonnet]

For a Necromancer running profane mages, is Pale Ox, Astral Blood, or typical low life gear the best for surviving one shots. I'm currently running Pale Ox and getting one shot by Rampant Coast beast and Posessed Golems in my Echos at 330 corruption. I was curious if I should look at swapping to something else or if it is a skill issue. My current health pool is around 5k to 6k with life plus ward but those hits are hitting for over 7k total damage. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.

[wintry flame]

How much armor do you have? you'd be better off just importing your character on a planner and sharing

[solid sonnet]

Oh good point... Let me do that

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJW0yWzw

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (80) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,428, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 1,166.72, Regen: 12.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 212%, Regen: 21/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 9 Dex / 63 Int / 4 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 78% / 112% / 103% / 93% / 231% / 116%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 727
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (144)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,844)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 30% (681)

Used skills:

Dread Shade / Chaos Bolts / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeleton

[wintry flame]

get more endurance, should help with one shots. Some vitality in the passive tree or in general might help with getting a bit more armor, not sure how much you get in totality within dread shade. Also watch the positioning of yourself and your mage holding Dread Shade, could be you falling out and dropping a bit of armor. You could also have a higher hp pool, missing quite a bit of % life mods, which would help. The seed dmg dealt to mana before hp isn't very useful unless you have a good amount of hp and getting endurance extends it's effectiveness as well.

[noble flame]

Whats the tradeoff of dread shade targeting enemies vs allies? Is it just the value of Flesh Harvest vs Blind Fury (and All for One)?

[wintry flame]

Flesh Harvest works still

it just has a duration

[noble flame]

minions just seem to stay topped up on hp unless I let them decay too much

[calm dome]

are spectres considered non-wraiths for wraithlord

like blood spectre from sacrifice

[wintry flame]

they are non-wraiths

[solid sonnet]

Awesome! Thanks for your input.

[calm dome]

Ok new concept. Enemy of my enemy dread shade and make them spawn zombies when they die + Dread shade on zombie cast.

I feel like that is something to work off of

[noble flame]

I imagine that wont attach the dread shade to your zombie. but you could probably do zombie + dread shade and have dread shade spawn a zombie (which wont have a shade).

Might be able to combo Infernal Shade and Infernal Dread though

[calm dome]

yeah I have tested it and it tries to cast it to the nearest enemy to your cursor from my quick experience with it

when you cast zombie

The point is for when you kill an enemy, it can spawn in a zombie while you self cast zombie can mark an enemy as well to keep that loop going

and use the constant zombie deaths for something

but yeah keeping it on the zombie can just provide another zombie without it

but feels harder on mana

[calm dome]

I should've seen this. Auto cast sacrifice+infernal shade zombies. Use flickering shade node on sacrifice. Dread shade cast on zombie to refresh infernal shades

[quiet seal]

@wintry flame or anyone in chat, this is a planner for HS crit mages with the poison immune tech, some critque would be great. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqwpJ8X0

The idea is a bee from idol is killed via pot use, that gives us a stack for apogee, and spam CB for ward gen plus procs. Golems for surviability, but maybe you could replace with infernal shade so no need to respec, I'm not sure on this. My big concern is how it handles the Omen density in high corruption.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (76) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,308, Regen: 25.96/s
▸ Mana: 1,486.77, Regen: 32.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 226%, Regen: 129/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 15 Dex / 93 Int / 15 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 93% / 93% / 84% / 90% / 166% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 1,293
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,347)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Chaos Bolts / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade

[calm dome]

Minions immune to poison on idol? The more I learn

[quiet seal]

Yeah, it's pretty neat, it was @lost gale who thought of the interaction with the dread shade node, and confirmed by @wintry flame . Essentially you can put 5 dread shades on your mages but they all get the bonuses as if there was only a single dread shade. At least, that's the theory.

Combine that with 5 infernal shades, and pre-buffing with Liches set for +dmg and it all looks kinda good

[calm dome]

ok I need to find this idol affix then immediately swap to a poison dread shade set up

[quiet seal]

😅

[wintry flame]

The planner you linked, the concern I have is sustain, but might be fine.

[quiet seal]

Mana sustain?

Or health? or both 🙁

[wintry flame]

hp/ward

idk about mana sustain

Also with the poison setup you can run double shades on army

so ideally you run a single shade that's normal

and then put out the rest as all for one

means we can give army builds like 400+ flat, 2x the multis, 2x the armor, 2x cast speed etc.

[quiet seal]

wait what

[muted mist]

@wintry flame @lost gale Holy crap, they snuck in a way to dread shade multiple minions permanently!!!! Yaaaaaay thanks for noticing and confirming this

[quiet seal]

THey can be effected by an aura dread shade AND their personal dread shade?

[wintry flame]

shades stack when one is giving buffs via All For One and also when you run a shade that gives aura buffs

yeah

[noble flame]

I bet it gets "fixed" before Destruction Engine

[quiet seal]

holy

that's even more busted

[wintry flame]

and before the other bugs they introduced this patch

[quiet seal]

wtheck

[muted mist]

That only works if you reallocate skills in between buffing? I hate it

[wintry flame]

yeah pretty sure crit mages is like SSS+ tier now for bossing lmao

[quiet seal]

that would be a major respecc operation, might still be fine without it though 😅 depending on dps. But still my big thing is how they handle density

[wintry flame]

you can do a gear swap with + all skills or + dread shade only put the point in All For One after making a normal shade, then put out individual shades, swap the gear back and unspec all for one or whatever to level it back up

[quiet seal]

oh, that's smart.

[wintry flame]

yeah there's ways to make it not too bad just have to adjust pathing a bit and make sure you have the shade count lmao

[tender halo]

i got cocky RIP

[muted mist]

No offense to anyone but I would be happy if they made that not work, I don't think that's a fun mechanic

[calm dome]

Oh ok. So cast one normal shade, spec all for one, put it on other minions, then unspec all for one

[quiet seal]

nooooo 😭

[calm dome]

yeah I noticed speccing the lone watcher one, casting it, then unspeccing, I can cast more than 1 dread shade again but they drain but the one casted while it was specced doesn't drain

[wintry flame]

yeah the limits apply at cast

[tender halo]

hahaha its ok just got another

if i could only get raven's rise

[calm dome]

can you still snapshot dread shade buff effect with scales of lemniscate

[wintry flame]

you could

but lich's is likely better to snapshot tbh

[quiet seal]

Thanks for the help and input Zeckar 👍 appreciate it

[calm dome]

I'm trying to update my filter but I think that poison immunity affix only appears on ornate idols and huge idols. Just based off what my filter allows me

[quiet seal]

On LE tool it should be a corrupted Omen idol corruption, specifically the Grand Spectral one, the one that is 3 long and only 1 high

let me hop in game and check

[quiet seal]

This should work I think

[quiet seal]

That rule would be a bit more specific

[calm dome]

oh I see the subtype

I looked at just the types and that affix would only appear as a corrupted one on huge and ornate for me

so you can probably hit it just corrupting those base types

[quiet seal]

hum, could be

[quiet seal]

interesting that this is what LETools shows for the affix:

[ruby root]

Hey all. Can anyone recommend a good loot filter for Lich? I am playing Poison damage over time lich

[calm dome]

Yup that lines up with my previous statement

[sly forge]

problem is

without dread shade buff on you

how do you survive?

[wintry flame]

you can still have it

[sly forge]

snapshot?

[wintry flame]

keep reading

yeah

you can just put a normal shade and have individual ones

[sly forge]

btw how's skeletons now?

[quiet seal]

Hey mmiinnhh 👋

[sly forge]

bug fixed?

[wintry flame]

idk the individual operator node is bugged I think it just works like before? idk I was double checking it but not sure how it's bugged. def doesn't give more damage per warrior/archer

[sly forge]

right now I wonder if I should give poison rogue a chance

[quiet seal]

this is really depressing >__< why change it if it doesn't work to what you change it too

[wintry flame]

yeah I was trying to figure out how it's broken, but who knows. I would rather play skeleton rogues over mages unless it was for bossing haha

[sly forge]

wait @wintry flame can you explain how to get aura buff while choosing the "no buff aura" node in dread shade again?

I dont quite understand it

[wintry flame]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/554j3e0n#1 spec shade like the Aura Shade setup with any additional points or whatever, put shade on golem, 1 of the mages, or some minion to hold the aura buff shade. Put a piece of gear on to give + levels to dread shade, allocate All For One, then put out individual shades where you want them. Swap gear back and unspec the node to relevel shade for next playthrough or session or zone swap.

you could also do the inverse and put it on enemies to give buffs to everyone, but that's if you want to recast it or use it situationally and be close to enemies 😛

enemy shade would be best for damage with the buff effect per missing hp node

[sly forge]

hmm so this one needs gear snapshot and skill level change

[wintry flame]

but if you're lazy or dont want to maximize the way I said at first is ideal

I mean you can just run + shade levels too

[sly forge]

well my crit HS mage deals more dmg than abom already

so maybe I wont

[wintry flame]

and keep a point unspecced for All for One

[sly forge]

7x17 M HS vs 2x30M double strike to uberroth

still I forgot that poison immunity exists

[wintry flame]

yeah same I haven't thought much about most corrupts

[sly forge]

since that is the perfect thing I need for my skeleton

[quiet seal]

for your rogues?

[sly forge]

I managed to do omen at 2k corruption with it

but almost died :)))

2k corruption omen is very hard tbh

[sly forge]

At least, crit rogue

Same setup as abom

so it's tanky enough

I dont need the dread shade buff

[wintry flame]

yeah rogues like the solo shade since they teleport to packs

it makes them so nice for clear

[sly forge]

do we have good affixes for poison minion?

since I'm not sure if poison rogue is better than crit rogue now

[wintry flame]

idk how poison would be better

[sly forge]

it would be better if we have affixes like "poison duration" and "poison chance"

[wintry flame]

it's easier to gear but I don't think it gets much better tbh. too much limited poison chance and other modifiers for minions

the competition within rogues is cold crit or phys crit

[sly forge]

phys crit for non-snapshot

you literally copy the abom gear

snapshot cold first then physical is even better

[wintry flame]

yeah phys crit has a lot going for it

yeah probably a combo does best

[quiet seal]

Do you use Doom from ring with phys crit then?

[sly forge]

but now how many rogue do we expect?

[sly forge]

no

one for +2 minion skill

[quiet seal]

ah

[sly forge]

one for +1 skeletons

@wintry flame now one question

how many damage does a non-rogue contribute

because I need to know how many rogues are the best

and how can we control the number of rogues we summon

[wintry flame]

idk about rogue count, it's like a 50/50 split is probs most dps, and ideally you go without Dread Phalanx, but idk if it's good enough survivability wise

[sly forge]

no dread phalanx sucks

[wintry flame]

idk the exact math on the damage split

[old hull]

Basically you can only control counts by how many types of skeletons you have enabled, and if you have an uneven split then spawning more will alternate the one(s) that have more than the others

[sly forge]

guess I wont play skel rogue then

[wintry flame]

yeah it sucks for the rogue setup that exists now because it splits the effectiveness since you have to build non-rogues

[sly forge]

too many non-straightforward computations needed

[old hull]

If the node worked like it said, rogues + warriors would probably be the ideal setup

[sly forge]

we are playing game to enjoy

[old hull]

Archers do more damage than warriors, but them being at a different range than the rogues is not ideal

[wintry flame]

yeah the ideal setup would be 6 warriors and 6 rogues with a skele count of 12, or 5 and 5 with 10, the multi on rogues is 42 and 30 respectively

it emphasizes the need to build more skeletons, but idk where they get HP values from because they won't be surviving much without multi HP node 😛

but I think the node is bugged and working how it was or is only giving a flat % of more dmg idk I couldn't test fully

so right now might work the same as before lmao

[old hull]

lol

[sly forge]

@wintry flame if we ignore non-rogues, the total dmg would be (1+6-rogue) x rogue

right?

for phalanax

ah wait

sry

0.25 is only 1 point

[wintry flame]

well maxed out it's (1 + 1 * ((0.5 * maxSkeletons)) * maxRogues

you want there to be a half and half split of max Skeletons and rogues

[sly forge]

wait why 0.5 x max skeleton?

[old hull]

First 4LP of the season lol

[wintry flame]

+7 roll 🙁

[sly forge]

bad roll there

need 12

[old hull]

Yeah, and realistically not much benefit beyond 2LP anyway lol

[wintry flame]

cause you want near even split on rogues and warriors/archers

[old hull]

aside from guaranteed 2 affixes

[wintry flame]

you either want 1 extra rogue or even split to maximize the node

[sly forge]

ah forgot that the games tend to balance the number of skeleton each type

so 4 rogues, 2 non rogues deal most dps

[wintry flame]

yeah in dread phalanx setup

[sly forge]

and actually iirc you can only choose 2-2, 3-3, 4-2

because how the skill works

you cannot choose 1-5

[wintry flame]

uh, it summons on a rotation

[sly forge]

the skill always summon the type with the least number

but according to the maths

4 rogues are better than 6

[wintry flame]

let me double check you can probably cheese some setup

but yeah, it's a stupid balancing act that removed the one use case for DP

[sly forge]

I need phalnax for rogue survival

[wintry flame]

the build as it stands if they fix that node is kind of DoA imo

like it's fine, but not amazing or as good as before

[sly forge]

now one question

[old hull]

Well now DP is always a good node to pick for all non-rogue builds, so it kinda just reversed lol

[sly forge]

how many dread shade can we get at most

I want to get all 6

[wintry flame]

it was just a bad change, tbh. the single rogue would have been fine...

[sly forge]

and use minion poison immunity

[old hull]

granted, idk if the buffs made archer viable

I just prefer the old one

[wintry flame]

yeah I am skeptical they are changed much at all

[old hull]

idk why they changed IO to begin with, it was pretty unique

and good

[wintry flame]

4 base, + 1 dread shade, +1 infernal

[wintry flame]

idk either. sometimes I wonder if I should just drop my "content creation" and join CT lmao

[old hull]

lol

[sly forge]

hmm

I also don't know what suffix to replace for idol now

previous was minion cdr for abom

[quiet seal]

health?

[sly forge]

hmm I wonder

why is there no recorded abom kill for abom necro in this season yet

[tender ridge]

i can't wait to finally equip my wheel of torment and find out just how bad this build is

guess i need the carrion gloves too in order to really know

oh my, thanks mr nemesis

that's a lotta FP

[quiet seal]

wow, nice

[noble flame]

The buff from Tyrant only applies to currently summoned minions right? It's not some sort of aura

[wintry flame]

yeah it's at the time of the roar

[noble flame]

Alrighty. Not sure if I like it for Blood Wraiths yet or not.

[sly forge]

hmm no

rogues are bad

[pallid geyser]

I am palying RIP blood hard core

Sorry, I have two more dumb questions .... 🙁
In HArdcore how often do u liek stay will to get the mountains boots benfit

2nd dumb question. I am probs good enoguh now to do Abberoth normal mode hey? I am just beeing a whimp!

[sly forge]

@wintry flame rogues build deal worse dmg than even flame wraith

not sure due to the node is bugged

yeah it's bugged

good job EHG

they introduced the whole skeleton rework

only to make it unplayable

[tender ridge]

you know, i've never really understood the chill-on-necrotic stuff that acolyte has

[sly forge]

ok

for zombie warlock

[tender ridge]

i guess I get it thematically, but there's so much of it you'd think there would be something mechanical there

[sly forge]

does anyone think having a t8 2h staff or axe would be better?

I'm not sure if the primodial wand is good enough

[noble flame]

Is it DoT or Explosion? DoT, I'd go with Axe because it has minion DoT

[sly forge]

also why do the build needs so many regen?

[sly forge]

zombie warlock

explosion of course

[noble flame]

ah, im not familiar with that one

[sly forge]

who play warlock for zombie dot?

Hmm, also why maxroll stacks to much mana regen with the build?

iirc it's not a mana consuming build

[tender ridge]

i can't imagine you'd stack mana regen without the build being mana intensive

I haven't gotten around to playing it yet, but I remember it being very CD heavy with expensive spells

[sly forge]

idk about maxroll version here

[noble flame]

is it a guide or just a random build?

[sly forge]

first I don't know why would maxroll chooses the "summon parasite" nodes

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/zombie-warlock-guide

there are so many things I don't agree with maxroll in this build

[wintry flame]

sounds about right

[tender ridge]

the parasites are so you have more minions to eat

[sly forge]

isn't bone curse sufficient?

[tender ridge]

i thought the extra CD nodes you end up taking for bone prison made it so the CDs weren't sync'd

and you needed the parasites between Bone Curse CDs

[sly forge]

oh I see

if so then it might be more mana expensive

[tender ridge]

the guide probably has explanations for that

[sly forge]

no it does not

right now the build is sacrificing a lot of zombie damage using the wand

because you cannot slam "minion melee and spell dmg"

[tender ridge]

what do you mean by stacking mana regen? it only has one affix and it's like T5

for the passives there's just not much more you'd want early on in the warlock tree, and apocrypha in the lich tree also gives int which is what you actually care about on that node

[sly forge]

ah yeah

hmm, well I guess there is no more affixes for that

right now

is using a 2h weapon a good idea

I'm thinking of lowlife

[quiet seal]

It's also now theorically possible to use bees for the zombie spawns, negating the need for parasites - you might still need bone prison for ward gen though

[sly forge]

hmm that makes sense

I'm not really sure if the maxroll version is optimized

[quiet seal]

also @wintry flame I was thinking, wouldn't it be possible in the theroy HS mage crit build to cast out 10 infernal shades, cast one aoe dread for full 300+ flat, then spec into mono dreads and each cast get one less benefit for an infernal shade as you cast on the mages, going from 270, 240... etc? So one mage would have a full 570+ flat damage from lich set alone, then you get CB proc, and item additions, could be something approaching 700 flat

[wintry flame]

yupp

[quiet seal]

good lord, they need to fix this. Though having said that I doubt anyone will do it (except maybe me) lol

[sly forge]

Go for it

show me a 20 sec uber kill online

[quiet seal]

give me a few weeks 😂

[sly forge]

I'm tired of every uber kill is abomination

[quiet seal]

I'll make it happen miinnhh 👍

[sly forge]

btw I'm surprised that no abom kill in this season yet

[quiet seal]

I guess most content vids post release is for rogues? Not sure

[sly forge]

okay

I am prepared to see that rogue will be nerfed in ss 5

[noble flame]

Rogue will dodge and it'll hit Primalist like usual

[tender ridge]

aight i'm in love. soul feast is a fun skill

I don't think i've used it since 0.9 when it was still a lich skill

[old hull]

Very, how's it going so far?

[tender ridge]

damage spiked a ton as soon as I equipped wheel, coming from a ladle with phys and cast speed

you don't need to convert rip blood. the healing from rip+soul feast isn't enough to keep up with the drain from just shroud

I don't even have the life to ward gloves yet

pearls is crazy ward gen with quad self-curse

so self-decrepify doesn't really mean a ton. just avoid DoTs like you would anyway

funny enough i'm having mana issues due to aura bonecurse. need more mana regen than I anticipated

[obtuse quest]

Yeah bone curse aura eats mana like drinking water

[tender ridge]

also the fissure cast from wheel doesn't work with the double-fissure node

it only makes a single fissure instead of casting the skill itself

[tender ridge]

I think you're right about soul feast bleeds not getting boosted based on health. the tethers are pretty good but that's really disappointing

actually testing it more, it does work it's just inconsistent. sometimes the bleeds get boosted, sometimes they don't

[old hull]

I feel like once you hit monos and have fully stacked int, rip blood is likely going to be too much since it's going to scale with both density and int

[tender ridge]

possibly

[old hull]

Yeah, I guess this is one bug they haven't fixed yet

[old hull]

It was consistently doing... something in my tests

the main thing was it didn't feel like it scaled with points

but I didn't do a damage calc to see if the % was matching up

[tender ridge]

looks like it lines up with the numbers in that clip

[tender ridge]

actually, it doesn't does it? I was thinking 1% per 100 but it should be 5% shouldn't it. I'm gettin screwed out of 92% more damage

[noble flame]

poison immune minions is such great tech. Just makes it so I can cast Dread Shade and forget about it

[solid totem]

Hey guys, if I want to slam strength and minion crit on a helmet, is the only way to get strength on an acolyte helm to convert stats at the echo?

[old hull]

Yes

[solid totem]

Ahhhh right, so I convert the exalted item before the slam right? Or is it possible to convert a legendary

[south scroll]

Is there a good Ghost Flame build guy? The ability is so cool but it seem like it doesn't linked with anything good

[old hull]

Yeah, convert before you slam, and keep in mind that it requires 1 FP to do the attribute conversion and also vitality can't be swapped to/from

[solid totem]

Brilliant thanks

[noble flame]

I've been trying to use Eternal Arrow for Abomination and it doesn't seem very good. Even for a bleed build, the melee just ends up being better... though, the Abom isn't really the main source of damage for the build

[old hull]

Yeah, I think it suffers from the same issue the old archer skill had, can't boost its cooldown speed

[sick belfry]

does mana flay actually care about the damage from anything other than the chaos bolts?

from a glance even the melee flay damage seems way outclassed?

should I bother trying to scale it

[noble flame]

Lich's Reaper passive just feels great for Necromancer. I'm already stacking int and vit, so it's just cheap defense. I kinda wonder if I could build a dodge necromancer.

[peak stirrup]

any good builds to reroll off of abomination? I didn't get far just maxroll endgame gear w 1 red ring

[sly forge]

Hmm

if only my crit HS mage was tankier

I would have tried the poison immunity tech

[noble flame]

Poison immunity is good. It's nice quality of life

took a while to find an idol though

[sly forge]

at the cost of me not receiving aura buff

[noble flame]

The poison only applies to minions, so you can still get the buff

[peak stirrup]

I heard something like that but with not getting chilled

w those 1 boots

[sly forge]

I mean what do you take poison immunity for?

isn't to apply multiple dread shade?

[noble flame]

minion poison immunity, so they dont get any stacks of it

you can just leave the shade on indefinitely

[sly forge]

but isn't it to apply multiple dread shade without aura?

I mean if you only need to apply one dread shade you don't even need that

[noble flame]

It's just quality of life since shade doesn't stack.

[sly forge]

okay I don't get it

dread shade can buff many minions without draining life by just using one dread shade and take "lone watcher"

the only reason I can think for taking poison immunity is that you want the "all for one" node

as you want all minions to receive the benefit of it

in this case you cant use lone watcher anymore and must use the nodes that gives everlasting poison

so you need poison immunity

that's my flow of logic now

did I get anything wrong @noble flame ?

[noble flame]

That's correct. I can put blind fury on multiple minions now. The aura buffs the rest as normal. I'm skipping all for one on this setup, but it'd be good for other builds that have fewer minions

[sly forge]

and because I use the "all for one" node, I cant receive buff from minions

[noble flame]

my tyrant and abom have perma buffs and then i just tack one onto a blood wraith as needed

[sly forge]

wait you attach dread shade to blood wraith?

they are minion who dies very quickly

[noble flame]

yep, but ive got extra shades to cast and they can benefit from the extra speed

[sly forge]

hmm ok

but back to crit HS mage

I cannot use the all for one node

that makes me a glass cannon

even with full t7 gears I have only like 3k armors

also for blood wraith

I'm not sure if using all for one is a good idea

you have 13 wraiths

but you only have 6 shades

[noble flame]

im not using all for one, just blind fury

[sly forge]

and they die very quickly

[noble flame]

tyrant and abom get one. then i put extra down on wraith as i feel like, the extras are just because I have them

[sly forge]

ok I see your point

I would like to ask

how much additional damage would you have if you use blind fury for 4 out of 13 wraith?

[noble flame]

Probably a lot. Id lose Grim Fate and Dying Coven across the remaining Wraiths

[hot imp]

hey, anyone more familiar with skeleton mages able to help me understand their tree a bit more?

nodes that affect like, 'skeleton mage projectiles' or 'skeleton mage ability CD', do they effect the mage types beyond the basic mage? ie, cryo or pyromancers?

[sly forge]

@noble flame hmm idk

in fights like uberroth

and even corruption

wraiths will die easily

[pearl snow]

They should yes

There may be exceptions I dont really know about but for the most part they all sort of interact

for example converting to Death Knights will supercede against cryo or pyromancers

[sly forge]

you need to frequently apply dread shades in wraiths

its a bit bad qol for me

[noble flame]

im not really doing much. this is probably one of the easiest builds ive played so far. It's basically two buttons. Summon Skeleton and sometimes Dread Shade if I feel like it

[sly forge]

it's like you need to consistantly target the skeleton and cast sacrifice on them manually

but is it easier than just casting bone curse for the debuff?

easier target

not needing to cast frequently

[hot imp]

do you know how they interact with Necrotic mortar? do the ele mages convert it at all, or does it always just do necrotic damage?

[sly forge]

also, when casting new dread shade, there is a chance the dread shade on the abomination would lose

do you need to check and recast dread shade on abom if that happen?

if yes then I guess I wont do the tech

[noble flame]

the buff bar lists how many shades you got. its also easy to recast. i dunno, I did champion omen and it was kinda snooze fest

[sly forge]

well yeah

for me my goal is uber

and I care about its killing time

so just want to ensure these don't affect killing time

[obtuse quest]

It does not convert, but they still use it

[sly forge]

if I follow the tech I need to check the buff bar frequently

[obtuse quest]

As the convert node says “they’re still skeletal mages”

[sly forge]

since if the buffs are in the wraiths and they all die 1 would have like 1 sec of not having the buff

which affects my kill time

and when killing uber, you would care more about dodging his attack rather than watching how many buffs do you have left

sometimes during uber fight I can't even realized that my abom died due to sacrifice bug

[pearl snow]

What Kzb said

[noble flame]

the bug is real annoying. had to resummon during omen fights a few times lol

[sly forge]

yeah but for me, I mean that you wont have all the time to check the buff

especially if it is cast on quick dying minions like blood wraith

so I would rather use the more reliable method: casting one on abom

bone curse is easier to manage

you just cast a single one on uberroth

without needing to look at anything

btw when will EHG fix the bug?

last patch blood wraith was trash

but now they are very powerful build

the sacrifice bug is no longer a small matter

[noble flame]

Nobody seems sure what the exact cause is. So far all I can seem to figure out is that speed and skeleton rez is a factor. I'm guessing it's targeting something it shouldn't and it redirects to itself

the rate of the issue drops a lot if you get rid of skeleton resurrection stuff

[noble flame]

I just noticed i'm getting 8k armor from dread shade.

[quiet seal]

@sly forge The idea Zeckar was explaining to me earlier for HS mages would go something like this:

You have 5 Death Knights out plus 5 other minions (golems and vanguard, or zombies, wriaths, whatever) and cast 10 infernal shades on them. Now you cast 1 dread shade with Lone Watcher node on a golem (or DK depending), that gives you an area buff for damage, attack/cast speed etc. and 300 flat with liches set.

Now you epuip +lvl dread shade gear, spec OUT of Lone watcher and INTO All for One and cast on a DK. They get the Egoism and Blind Fury nodes too, plus 270 flat from liches set (as now 9 infernal shades out, plus 1 aoe dread shade). You cast again the single target dread shade on the next DK, same as before except now they get 240 flat. Repeat for all 5 DKs.

That means with the overlap of the aoe dread shade, plus the individual dread shade they now scale down from 570+ flat to 450+ flat, plus double dipping on the 60% multi, and attack/cast speed buffs etc.

Not saying this is practical, or advisable, but it a rediculus damage boost. And you can still take Symbiotic Appiration when you cast the first aoe dread shade so you get armour buff.

[ruby root]

morning all! I am struggling a lot to understand why my Aura of Decay damage drops 15% with this serpent's mace in comparison to this corrupted weapon I got at level 15

it makes no sense to me.. it has 85% increased poison damage + 90% DOT. This other corrupter scepter has 140% DOT.. Area of Decay is no spell so spell damage or cast speed should not impact

[sly forge]

:)))

ok but I absolutely won't do so every time I login the game

[quiet seal]

Yeah, I can't see it being practical.

[noble flame]

Did you convert the Aura of Decay to something other than Poison?

[ruby root]

not really..

[noble flame]

and no Ash Wake boots?

[ruby root]

no... super weird

I swear when I saw this serpents mace I got so hyped lol I thought it would bump my damage a lot

I am wearing the same weapon since level 20 xD Im 72

[noble flame]

Id chalk it up to the damage tooltip being unreliable. The poison chance, the damage increases, it should be the better weapon

how's it compare in actual use?

[ruby root]

Yeah will run an echo now, with it

lets see

[quiet seal]

It could be that the extra 50% dot multi is more valuable as a multiplier because you have much less of it on your gear, from talents etc. and the poison multiplier is comparatively worth less because you already have a whole bunch of damage multipliers that fall into that category.

For example, say you have 170% dot multi with old mace, and 500% general damage. You now goto 120% dot multi and 585% general damage. The combination of those two multipliers (plus other relevant ones) is what will determine your dps.

You can think of it like the route to high dps is to try and be as even as possible when increasing seperate pools of damage multipliers, rather than just focusing one. Say A x B x C = dps, if you put 1 x 1 x 9 = 9 is low, but 3 x 3 x 3 = 27 much higher. @ruby root

[torn plume]

any rip blood warlock players? my res goes below cap when i turn on bone and decay aura, should it be capped when its on?

[quiet seal]

If you've taken this node your int will give you negative res, can be a bit tricky once you start pushing 100+ int

[torn plume]

my res r going down by these amt

[quiet seal]

When you turn on bone aura are you getting debuffed with Mark for Death?

[torn plume]

yeah i am

am i not supposed to?

[craggy flicker]

you are thats normal

[quiet seal]

Yeah okay, so that is a rather nasty curse that reduces all res by 25%. Great if you can put it on mobs, not so good for yourself

[torn plume]

oh so i just have to overcap my res so that its still capped with the auras on right?

[craggy flicker]

yah its pretty rough

[quiet seal]

ideally, yeap. I'm not too sure where to focus on, but I guess fire is important, and probably physical, poison.

[craggy flicker]

usually phys fire cold and void, i usually dont spec extra poison than i can get for free

[quiet seal]

ah, good info, thanks

[craggy flicker]

if your farming mages (probably are because most acolyte builds are wearing spoon) lightning damage is rough too.

[torn plume]

i got really lucky and i have 2 red rings rn, helped alot with the res

[craggy flicker]

damn im farming mine atm

[obtuse quest]

Doesn’t matter, all increases are addictive in LE. Only % more works like that.

[obtuse quest]

My gut feeling is that it’s accounting for the area increase, which makes no sense but the tooltip dps never made sense anyway

[quiet seal]

oh wow, thank you for that correction Kzb, appreciate it! 👍

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/increased_added_and_more

[quiet seal]

Thanks, useful to know how LE makes use of the wording for the damage calcs

[wintry flame]

you don't have to spec lone watcher at all since you can just take poison node and it not apply any poisons

[quiet seal]

ah, yes I totally missed that, just so used to a standard set up I guess! Thanks 👍

[restive osprey]

does anyone know which one is correct? is it 20% of max mana, or 5%? (1 per 20 vs 20%)

[patent drift]

the first

[lost gale]

1 per 20

[sly forge]

@tacit plinth our beloved build

I wonder which is better

rune dagger with t8 melee & spell necrotic damage affix, or nest

[sly forge]

it seems that there are too many procs due to fast attack speed that my computer lags a bit during the fight

[restive osprey]

sadge

[lost gale]

if you want 1 per 5 you can play smite sentinel

devotion has that

[sly forge]

@tacit plinth this ver is rune dagger with t8 melee & spell dmg affix

[tender halo]

LETS GOO

[civic cave]

anybody play mana flay lich^? if so do you guys recommend the build

[tacit plinth]

Not sure but nest is quite broken in general since with idol altars a lot more mana can be achieved

[tacit plinth]

S tier build

In online gear I have same mana basically with no corruption on gear except a mana damage taken on helmet

[cosmic wagon]

Time to do some Fractured prison. Can we get Madness and Rampancy with 2+ skills? So i can be done with my lich lmao.

[shell thicket]

Does generic increased damage effect ailments you inflict?

[pearl snow]

Yes, things like Fire Damage increases Ignites

[reef helm]

Hey, am i missing something? Can this not cast Cthonic Fissure? I've been playign for several hours with this amulets and never seen the wisps shoot out additional fissures. It is direct, non-channeled, and has the fire tag.

[slim niche]

last patch it worked, but it cast the fissure w/o players skill tree so it was very dissapointing. And also: because you can have only one fissure (unless you spec for two) it replaced players fissure

[shell thicket]

It's max 1 active fissures. I'd assume its coded so the wisps don't remove yours

[slim niche]

massively annoying

[reef helm]

well shit

[slim niche]

IDK if they fixed it this patch or not

propably did not xD

[reef helm]

that kinda cooks this build idea 😭

[slim niche]

you can easily test it with dummies, have your fissure specced for i.e. poison so it goes green (so you know when whips over write it, it turns to normal color), but if you have not seen any casts in hours of gameplay then it propably either 1. was not fixed (i reported it, plus made a Q_Q thread reddit as ehg-devs hang out there too) 2. would be too OP to have it cast skills with player trees taking effect and going around casting limits of player so working as intended

the latter woud be dissapointing, because then it is kinda useless for what ever skill it would proc

[shell thicket]

Noob question but I don't understand. It says the skills will list base damage but this one doesn't? It just lists the spell damage effectiveness and int scaling. Would it tick for 0 if I didn't have a spell damage weapon and naked gear/passives?

[slim niche]

here is the Q_Q thread I made about it last patch, if you want to test it or something 😛 https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1nftvzb/wildfire_embers_why_it_sucks_for_fissure_warlock/

[shell thicket]

Bleh It's only listed on 3rd party sites like lastepochtools: 16.5

[noble flame]

Sometimes Abomination sacrifices my Tyrant via Destruction Engine. He can just hit anything by accident.

[calm dome]

I was looking at wildfire embers as a way to stack ignite chance for spirit kindling on ghostflame

try ignite wraiths

[noble flame]

@lost gale I think I've got a workaround for the Abomination self-sacrifice problem. Cast your skeletons away from it. It's slightly annoying, but if it can only hit itself when targeting a minion close to itself. Removing auto-rez from Skeletons gives more control.

Any minion can be hit by accident, including the T-Rex.

[lost gale]

that's strange because I've had it vanish on me when I had non-chaining sacrifice and it was on the other side of the screen from where I was casting summon skeleton (devour has a huge range as I'm sure you know)

[noble flame]

I spent a good while just casting across the screen with no issues. As long as a skeleton isnt close by he cant hit himself. If I target on himself or the T-Rex either will pop quickly

[lost gale]

is that with single target sacrifice?

[noble flame]

Yep. Ive only been using single the entire time

[lost gale]

resurrecting skellies is really important to getting good DPS and mana sustain I think

[noble flame]

it's not great, but it at least gives some insight into what's happening and we can mitigate it a bit

Can I export a character to offline? would be nice to see if it occurs there

[lost gale]

without something like that I think Sacrifice looks like Avalanche maybe, tons of ADE/s in theory, some damage scaling but ultimately just not that great.

[lost gale]

I don't think so, but you can use cheat engine or something like that to skip to that kind of testing pretty fast

[noble flame]

I can sustain non-chain sacrifice with non-rez skeletons, with spam casting and it holds up well.

Once you start chaining the sustain is out the window

I really wish that Infernal Vindication didn't take so many points to reach

[sly forge]

Hmm

Currently

Is lich still the best class for stygian coal?

I wonder if warlock can do better

Anyone?

[noble flame]

I suppose it'd be Ailments vs Spell-Crit then? Was there anything new that would push ailments further?

[reef helm]

do these boots convert this relic into fire damage or is it only the spell tree

[sly forge]

warlock has spell dmg from fissure and increased cast speed while cursed?

@autumn bough what do you think is better between stygian coal lich vs stygian coal warlock?

[autumn bough]

🤮

both awful? idk even

lich also has inc cast speed while cursed

[sly forge]

:)))

maybe it needs more affixes to be better

[sly forge]

hmm but how does lich curse itself?

I think for lich, it provides better crit chance

[sly forge]

at least I tried stacking insane int and mana and it's pretty good

[cosmic wagon]

all of my bricked Exu and nilh. idk man the game is shit. Just started saving them now. i think i had 20 more bricked nilh that i threw away.

[autumn bough]

pig amulet+bonecurse aura

[sly forge]

hmm interesting

this make me unable to know which builds will be better between lich and warlock

mana flay requires lich to function

dot chaos bolt is better with lich due to needing low health

other than these two, Idk which build will be better with lich

such as stygian coal now

lich does not even dual wield in coal

[turbid kayak]

This combo doesn't work?

i am right next to pet w/ dread shade on and those 2 and still no armor increase

[noble flame]

It definitely works. I get thousands of armor out of it. You don't have All for One right?

[turbid kayak]

oh shit i have that, i need it for the crit

[noble flame]

You have to be in the aura, so they're exclusive options

[turbid kayak]

guess ill forget about this idea for now until i get more crit for minion

is there a way to see aboms crit chance

[calm dome]

If a minion skill has a cooldown, can you reduce it with increased minion cooldown recovery or only regular cooldown recovery

[limpid isle]

harvest flay lich is okay or only mana flay is good?

[obtuse quest]

Unless it says “minions”, it does not affect minions

[lost gale]

You mean casting bone golem? Pretty sure that's regular cdr

Same for zombies with cooldown

[limpid mural]

Question about profane obliteration, as its cased by the mages my own spellcrit etc doesnt matter right?

[lost gale]

minion stats only

[odd urchin]

to the flay mana players out there, what kind of gear are you having before attempting uber? struggling abit now. tried my trusted abom like I did last season and clapped that sob but that was horrible to play this season imho 🤣

[limpid mural]

thy

[noble flame]

Regular cooldown recovery will affect skills you cast. Minion cooldown recovery affects skills that minions cast.

[noble flame]

What's the math for choosing bleed chance vs bleed duration? When is it better to pick one over the other?

[lost gale]

If you have 100% bleed chance & 0% inc duration then they should have equal value, if you have 200% then duration should be twice as valuable, 300% three times etc

I think so anyway

[noble flame]

This Blood Wraiths build is so close to clearing Uber. I need a bit more hp so I have some extra room to make mistakes

[quiet seal]

Good luck!

[noble flame]

They down the boss dummy in less than 30 seconds. So the damage output feels pretty good. If I can get some extra HP on my gear and remember to stay inside the dread shades I should be good

[sly forge]

nice

look forward to your uber video

about 2 min?

[noble flame]

Probably won't happen any time soon. I got no time to farm the equips at the moment.

[south scroll]

Anyone has Ghostflame build? Maxroll don't even have this

[limpid mural]

how do you manage mana with those autocast builds? theres a auto sacrifice build...you just spam Vol zombie and it leads to 3 or 4 explosions with sacrifice but like 300 mana gone in a second

[lost gale]

Is that the necro doing infernal shades? You spam rip blood like crazy with max cast speed

Aim for enemy density

You get 3 mana back per target hit

[limpid mural]

noo its not, havent seen that recently. You spam volatile Zombies which spawn vanguards, sacrifice them and sacrifice casts blood Spectre which gets sacced you only cast volatile zombies

[noble flame]

I'm using Abomination and Skeletons with barely enough auto-rez to keep them paying for the whole process. I'm not sure how the Volatile Zombie builds are working it though

[lost gale]

okay if you're not spamming rip blood then you gotta use summon skeletons dying to get mana back

Acolyte has 2 good ways of managing with mana and those are the two.
Skeletons dying and spamming rip blood

[limpid mural]

hmm wait...i constantly have skeles dying maybe im missing a node somewhere

[lost gale]

not vanguards, the skill summon skeletons

it's on the top right side, 5 mana per point

[noble flame]

Mind Catcher

[limpid mural]

Yea well.... its actually vanguards yep 😄

[fair plume]

any build potential here? 3LP jumped out to me

[lost gale]

nah it's terrible sorry

[limpid mural]

Yea ive seen a similar build i'm just trying to find one that scales my own stats not minion, use lich and madness

[fair plume]

np. not sure i ever played an acolyte, so wasnt sure how the mechanics might fit in

[lost gale]

the 2 second delay is painfully slow for builds that want to blow everything up all the time and the way it sacrifices everything regardless of circumstances is too inflexible

[limpid mural]

isn't that per minion? ie 2s per minion, if you cast a ton of minions you get a ton of explosions?

[lost gale]

if you want to blow everything up volatile zombies can trigger sacrifice rapidly at a bigger discount, if you want to selectively blow stuff up then abomination does that (well, sort of, it's bugged right now)

[lost gale]

yes it is, but it means you summon your minions next to an enemy and you have to wait 2s to get the payoff

minions have summon limits too so if you can summon up to your summon limit in under 2s (which you often can) then it won't keep up with you

[limpid mural]

volatile zombie is a minion skill right? is sacrifice cast by volatile zombies my skill or minion?

[lost gale]

yours

Death Blossom
Death Knights cast Hungering Souls, using your Hungering Souls tree. Hungering Souls has a 6 second cooldown when cast by Death Knights.
Effects within Hungering Souls's tree that are based on minion counts or mana still apply and are based on your minion counts or mana.

vs

Grand Sacrifice
When a Zombie dies you have a chance to cast Sacrifice on another nearby minion. This consumes mana equal to a percentage of Sacrifice's mana cost.

the wording isn't always consistent but it usually tells you

[limpid mural]

uhm...sacriface works for bees and other minions as well? even forge blades? 😄

[lost gale]

Yes, though one of the bigger sacrifice damage scalars is the sacrificed minion having more health than you which isn't necessarily easy with that sort of minion

[limpid mural]

sacrifice scales with minion health? didnt even know that...mehh thanks!

one thing is weird...volatile casts sacrifice and summons a vanguard ..is the order always the same? could swear it sometimes sacrifices the vanguard that was just summoned (2 damage numbers with just 1 zombie when i had no other minions at all)

[north basin]

+1. Noone seems to be answering this :/

[noble flame]

Should be an easy one to test and see if the ailment's increase damage or not when converted. I would guess that it doesn't work though.

[lost gale]

not by default but there's a node in its skill tree which does what i said

[calm dome]

Is the ignite from fire convert hungering souls affected by spell damage or no

Not percent, flat

Like does the ignite from fire convert still have the same spell dot scaling of possess

[lost gale]

No it doesn't, it's just regular ignite. Ignite stacks and possess doesn't though

[civic cave]

Anybody recommend mana flay lich build? Hesitating between warpath,bladestorm or flay lich as a 3rd alt

[elder imp]

warpath is hella fun man you should try when you can

[calm dome]

You don't necessarily have to scale minion HP for that node. If you are running a low life build, you benefit from it

[civic cave]

More than the 2 others?

[elder imp]

in my opinion am a little biased i played warpath and it is smooth laid back and fun spinning around killing stuff, blade storm is also a spinner type a vibe i d also play it but it has a few contingency's you should look at the maxroll version and see how it looks to know id youd like to play it

aight im off to sleep guys

[barren hare]

anyone know a good way to be able to channel ghostflame indefinitely?

the skill tree is kinda ass -- the top right doesn't even make sense. reduce cost is after increasing it and makes you slower - spend 3 points to lose 30% speed and make it cost you 50% more lol

[hidden sable]

idols

[barren hare]

was hoping maybe there was a good item for mana gain or something

[old hull]

I don't know of any easy way to sustain it, but it's possible for sure

[hidden sable]

4 of the 14% cost, 1 of the 24% cost, and then the alter increases effect by like 80%, then you can increase effect more with primordial if your not running t8 primordial chest increase chaotic fissure frequency

[barren hare]

what do you mean by t8 primordial chest?

I thought you couldn't put t8 on a unique

[hidden sable]

its really easy to sustain it unless you want to path to the extra more damage node on the bottom left, and then that increases your cost a bunch. I think you need a mana nimis to run it

[old hull]

If you want to channel it stationary style, foot of the mountain... but nobody wants to do that really lol

[hidden sable]

exalted chest

[barren hare]

i'm cooking up something, but i dunno if I can make it work lol

[hidden sable]

you snapshot so much more weapon damage on ghostflame going from 70% fissure frequency to 140% fissure frequency

[barren hare]

you mean with torment?

[hidden sable]

yeah

[barren hare]

does that damage apply to DoT?

[hidden sable]

yeah

[barren hare]

interesting

[hidden sable]

700% effectiveness

[barren hare]

but you basically have to stand still

[hidden sable]

no

[barren hare]

otherwise the torment doesn't hit you

I thought

[hidden sable]

it snapshots when you activate ghostflame

[barren hare]

ahh I see

so cast fissure, stand there for a min - then ghostflame and melt the whole map

[hidden sable]

yea

[barren hare]

interesting

cheeky

I don't plan on using fissure tho

does the same work for aura of decay?

fissure, than turn on aura?

[hidden sable]

ghostflame cuts through 1000c without fissure tech you dont need it

[old hull]

No, AoD doesn't deal spell damage and also doesn't snapshot most stuff

[barren hare]

I haven't found any builds for it

how do you scale aura damage?

[hidden sable]

aura will never have damage, its just there to turn your int into phys pen

and increase your PDR

but your already gigatank cause ghostflame

[barren hare]

hmm

what's PDR?

[hidden sable]

phys damage reduction

[old hull]

AoD only reduces DOT you take (of its type), it doesn't give damage reduction in general

[nocturne viper]

are blood spectres affected by the summon wraith skill tree?

[noble flame]

Nope, they are their own thing with their own limits

I really wish I could give up Tyrant Skull. I'm looking at Wings of Discord and it'd be so nice to use for my Blood Wraiths, but Tyrant Skull is just so good.

[quiet seal]

Just curious, is dodge something you'd like to get/already have?

[noble flame]

I'm already stacking Int and Vit, so that Reaper passive in Lich is actually really nice. I'm realizing I can lean more into it and have a very good amount of dodge

[quiet seal]

That's really interesting, the more I look at defensive options for my build, the more appealing getting a nice dodge amount gets. Also what kind of 2x2 adorned idol might you use?

[noble flame]

I'm stacking Humble Weaver idols since they got +5 Vit on them. I'm a big hater of Acolyte idols tbh. Adorned are kinda disappointing for Acolyte unless you need a specific Wraith type.

[quiet seal]

Yeah, I feel same about those idols too tbh

I hope they get a bit of a revamp in 1.5

Unless you need a huge amount of healing effectiveness I suppose

[noble flame]

Yeah, it's like "what am I healing?" You can technically stack it for AoD I guess... it's an odd one

[quiet seal]

the 'Health on Kill' prefix won't proc for minion kill I guess?

[noble flame]

I assume it would proc, but it'd be kinda terrible in general unless it triggered off of sacrificed minions.

This is what I'm planning for my Blood Wraiths setup: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzjKvd6

I just gotta find some Crit avoid + Dodge stuff and a good pair of Stealth. Omnis is a good alternative for Exulis too.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (64) / Lich (29)

General:

▸ Health: 2,745, Regen: 542.4/s
▸ Mana: 100.51, Regen: 17.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 165%, Regen: 150/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 39 Dex / 79 Int / 32 Att / 138 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 106% / 76% / 249% / 214%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 201%, Threshold: 549
▸ Dodge Chance: 69% (3546)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,551)
▸ Block Chance: 95%, Mitigation: 45% (1,604)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination

[tender ridge]

man I'm pretty upset blood feast is broken

[quiet seal]

Great stuff, that health regen tho! Hope you get it together

[noble flame]

Thanks! This is where I'm currently at: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/daikaze/character/PatchesTheMany

It's been really good. The armor is way higher than it looks too because of Dread Shade. I hit over 70% mitigation with it. An extra layer of defense will be nice.

[quiet seal]

Nice work! Impressive you've done so much and still have no ledgendary helmet! btw how does 'normal echos appear as chains' passive in weaver tree work out? what does it put in the chain?

[noble flame]

I love it. It just makes a more coherent web of stuff and feels better to progress through.

[barren hare]

man I must be dumb, I can't get ghostflame to be anywhere close to free lol

[obtuse quest]

No. None of the converts touch that affix.