💀┃acolyte

[sly forge]

the only difference is bossing

[wintry flame]

the clear is still so bad lmao

[sly forge]

well I min-maxed this for bossing

I know that even with more sustain gear clearing is the same

because they still one shot things

[wintry flame]

it's better if you do Necrotic DoT and scale flat, go extra skulls and run the % speed/range. That was the nicest setup I found for clear

[wintry flame]

yeah I was just saying.

[sly forge]

@wintry flame @hushed dew this is where it shines

fastest kill time of any build I tried so far

abom still cannot past 26 sec

right now crit HS mage is the build I'm most proud of

[wintry flame]

proud dad moment

[sly forge]

and thanks @wintry flame alot for helping me make it even better

[wintry flame]

I just work here

😛

[sly forge]

nah your bee idea is very good

[wintry flame]

oh yeah that uncapped node is silly haha

2 uncapped nodes technically

[sly forge]

so @hushed dew hope that you can make it better

at least slam a t7 minion health affix I think

@wintry flame I wish I had more point for the flaming attack node

that might help clearing

right now I focus on bossing and survival of the mages

[subtle niche]

If you take the spirit plague node for more damage but no longer spreads, does that preclude manually spreading it by other means like soul feast?

[wintry flame]

which one?

[sly forge]

flaming attack node of skeletal mages

[wintry flame]

the melee node?

[sly forge]

yes

[tacit plinth]

Are you supposed to use the staff of hungering souls for the skeletal mages HS build

[sly forge]

blight staff

+2 mages

+2 to mage skills

[tacit plinth]

Oh man farming that or just for summoning ?

[obtuse quest]

It cannot spread by it’s own abilities but can still spread by other causes. (So yes)

[wintry flame]

I haven't really done much testing with the Curse of Perserverance but idk if it'd be good. I think Cursedboy will mess with it when he plays Necro

[sly forge]

oh wait

[subtle niche]

ok. we take those. contagion is (sorta) back on the menu

[sly forge]

this one is... not good

for getting affixes online

[wintry flame]

yeah it's weaver

[tacit plinth]

The skelly snapshot thr mana node right so if I swapped gear after wards the more damage from that node remains?

[sly forge]

@tacit plinth I think for online you should switch to zeckar's version

axe+shield

that is more realistic

[wintry flame]

yeah you can swap gear it should remain still.

[tacit plinth]

Yeah cause I aint grinding weaver stuff 🤣

[wintry flame]

weaver stuff is ideal. I'd farm for it still

[sly forge]

I think they are still S tier with the axe+shield

[wintry flame]

otherwise crystal staff, celestial doom, or executioner's plus shield

[sly forge]

you mean the blight staff is still the best option ideally?

because for me yes

1.4 more damage for +2 mage

[wintry flame]

yeha +2 mages is ideal, but the staff is a pain to farm

[left whale]

Corruption?

[wintry flame]

Bone Wisp could be good too 😛

also could do executioner's + lich's scorn T8 affix, tbh

idk lots of options

[sly forge]

I think using shield+axe their uber killing time is reduced to 32-34 sec

@tacit plinth for online purpose I think you should use executioner's axe+off hand or celestial staff

executioner's axe is for stacking mana

this build is still S tier without the blight staff

the 21 sec abom is too overkill

like each mage deals 19M dmg to uber

[boreal rampart]

can corrupted items be used on LP items

like, minus the sealed corrupted stats that is

[azure dawn]

Yes

Don’t brick your 2 lp shattered chains like I did

[boreal rampart]

sorry I mean can you use a corrupted item as the exalt in the temporal sanctum

also, is +spell damage on a weapon not better than +mana? I would imagine at some breakpoint the spell damage outscales the mana for skeletal mages

like going from 700 mana to 800 is only a 14% increase in overall damage for the mage but I would imagine adding 30 spell damage to the base would be greater than that

[azure dawn]

no you can't slam a corrupted item

[weak atlas]

I have a weapon that’s plus spell dmg another is plus elemental .. what’s the difference how do I know which is for what

My attacks all say spell does that mean elemental won’t do anything?

[wintry flame]

elemental is fire, cold, lightning. So if it has those any of those tags and it's not a minion it should apply

[weak atlas]

And spell applies also then right even if power just says spell and not elemental?

[old hull]

Yeah, spell damage will scale all your spell skills. But it won't affect non-spell damage caused by spells, like ignite or damned.

[civic cave]

can you use rune to make item primalist and get a tier 8 and imprint it?

[boreal rampart]

can't imprint t8 onto items because t8 goes to sealed affix

sealed affixes cant be imprinted

[sly forge]

@wintry flame there are so many blood spectre builds on the ladders

[wintry flame]

I saw haha

[sly forge]

Right now I wonder if nest is better than tyrant's skull

or they might be better for online players

because using nest and stacking endurance you get over 200% uncapped endurance

meaning your minion deals 40% more dmg

and also get some physical pen from dinasour

[wintry flame]

I nmy setup I already have over 200% endurance with mostly single T7

[sly forge]

meanwhile if I have over 120 vitality already I don't think vitality will scale great anymore

ibh I don't agree using nest here

going tyrant's skull and stacking endurance is way better

[wintry flame]

idk about nest. a multi to HP is ideal for degen minions

[sly forge]

for nest I think they aim for vitality stacking

[wintry flame]

it expands life of decaying minions when you have that hp multi. you also get pen, more dmg, and flat

[sly forge]

but I have like 140 already

[wintry flame]

even if you go bleed focused the crit and such is really easy to fill in

[sly forge]

having nest gives 24 more at most

[wintry flame]

yeah idk about going full bleed or full crit, think hybrid is best

[sly forge]

hmm where to get pen with vitality?

[fading belfry]

hey fellas, elemental damage over time increases witchfire, right?

[wintry flame]

pen with vitality?

[sly forge]

.

[wintry flame]

vitality is just more DoT damage

[sly forge]

"you also get pen"

[wintry flame]

oh pen is from tyrants

I was talking about tyrant buffs over nest

[sly forge]

oh I thought you talk about vitality stacking

yeah for me tyrant is way better

40-50% more dmg

more health too

pen also

nest is just inferior

[wintry flame]

yeah I think so but maybe there is some giga idea with it.

[tacit plinth]

@sly forge how much mana did you stack before summoning the skeletal mages?

[wintry flame]

don't think the setup they use is snapshotting mana

[boreal rampart]

why wouldn't you snapshot mana if you can

[wintry flame]

because you have a good moral code

or you're lazy

😛

[boreal rampart]

ok thank god someone agrees with me

[tacit plinth]

Oh ok I am thinking about one shot skelly mages maybe not possible but I can snapshot towards 10k mana in offline ,I need to try this stuff one of this days

[sly forge]

nah I can accept snapshot idols

[boreal rampart]

snapshot idols sounds annoying as hell

[wintry flame]

okay idol snapshots are okay

[sly forge]

since snapshot gears are more annoying

[wintry flame]

With mages you could snapshot mana, lich's scorn, and I guess idols

[sly forge]

you need to respec skills

[tacit plinth]

Like I think you can squeeze way over 3200% more damage from the mana nodes

[sly forge]

and your character will be very different after snapshotting

[wintry flame]

if only you could snapshot minion count, I don't think you can. but tbh I didn't test exactly that

[tacit plinth]

Yes but if skelly retain old that more holy 😅

[boreal rampart]

well you could use that 50% mana weapon and get an insanely high mana pool

[wintry flame]

yeah you can run % mana on chest/helm and then % mana corrupts and do celestial doom

[tacit plinth]

I personally have a different idea but I dont play offline like omega different eofl

[wintry flame]

use a fast casting high cost skill to get the flat mana that gets increased by all the %

I mean whatever method that increases your mana pool at the time of summoning

[boreal rampart]

yea i dont snapshot scorn i just use it so i guess im too lazy

[tacit plinth]

If you use the doom weapon and swap out would the effect of temporary mana go away?

[wintry flame]

you're not morally corrupt

[sly forge]

@tacit plinth https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdx1k3p

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (78) / Lich (10) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,684, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 2,031.21, Regen: 18.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 276%, Regen: 99/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 118 Int / 5 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 457% / 79% / 79% / 104% / 74% / 153% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 1,102
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,712)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Chaos Bolts

[sly forge]

replace added mana with increased mana affix in armor

[wintry flame]

yeah the mana goes away after you stop casting over time

so doens't apply to chaos bolt or HS spell dmg per mana node

[sly forge]

@tacit plinth I snapshot idols with minion crit multi for bees over 10 sec after summoning mages

[tacit plinth]

OK so hear me out maybe dumb but hey I play online so I am limited too hard for this

[sly forge]

you mean online?

[boreal rampart]

how does offline limit you?

[tacit plinth]

Xylem is absolutely broken you could attunment stack and percent stack on every slot

[sly forge]

because how can offline limit you?

[tacit plinth]

So you end up with way over 10k mana for summon

[tacit plinth]

Online I play online

[sly forge]

ah that's correct to me

btw

for the dmg multi per mana

[tacit plinth]

So they get a whopping 3200 more from mana node alone its actually higher then gear swap after wards

[sly forge]

after snapshotting does it lost?

[tacit plinth]

It shouldn't no

[sly forge]

if not then I managed to get over 6k mana with that without even using all possible mana affixes

but that's too insane

[tacit plinth]

You stack as much mana then summon ,then gear swap that being said i ain't snapshot professional

[sly forge]

damn

6k mana for mages

they would be the fastest non-one shot uber killing build ever existed

not sure if they can one-shot btw

currently each of my mage deals 19M dmg to Uber

with 2500 mana

[tacit plinth]

Yeah i mean I might whip out some offline mods and stuff to try this stuff

[sly forge]

good luck with that

currently they have even better uberroth kill time than abom with my attempt

[ashen bluff]

does sound like I should swap to hit based

but I refuse to do snapshottin

[crude vault]

ruin?

[pearl snow]

always

[golden orchid]

lovely corruption

[noble flame]

Whats the strat for leveling as Acolyte/Necromancer?

[pearl snow]

you can just do minion zoo or fissure lock or CB pick whatever dmg type you want. Some rip blood until monos

[hushed dew]

zombie can farm 2kc+

im farming 18xx with no issue

[hushed dew]

how much do you think coal lich is tanky? it's a bit confusing

also dunno where I should spend the primo slot

[crude vault]

but why, any point to farm past 1k?

[hushed dew]

it's like, 'why do you play a video game?' xd

"because it's there"

[sly forge]

I think good

2x red ring, shattered world

death seal

and core of the mountain

[hushed dew]

oh you used core

[sly forge]

+10 to all attributes

[hushed dew]

and foot of the mountain boots?

still no primo slot xd ladle is too juicy to take bone wisp

[sly forge]

that too

[hushed dew]

wish i could get a bit more endurance threshold, up to 50% max hp

looks super juicy

[sly forge]

tbh i don't know how to stack endurance threshold for lich

[ashen bluff]

being on MG and wondering if you should corrupt all

just buy new one

[pearl snow]

wow ignite zombies can actually do uber

I just suck

and they die to slam lmao

[peak flare]

1)Your base endurance threshold is 20% of your max life
2)Seed of Ekkidrasil adds another 8%, so you are at 28% now
3)Revenant Plate adds another 6% so 34%
4)Corrupted Form 5/5 adds 10% so 44%
5)Reliquary Nest increases your Endurance Threshold by 20% of that 44%
6)20% of 44% is 8,8%
7)44 + 8,8 = 52,8%

[hushed dew]

Idk if i could keep full mana with seed

Mana drain already consumes huge mana

I would need like 2000% mana regen to do that, or gotta use tithe?

[round stag]

I only really use mana on zombies and I have 400 mana, 11 regen and using seed but I don't actually see my mana draining from being hit and unless I hold summon zombies down I'm rarely out of mana

[hushed dew]

Lol how is that possible

So many enemies hit 1k+

[round stag]

I'm also only around 160c ATM lol. I was getting ohko before so it's doing something I've just never noticed my mana draining faster than I use it

[calm dome]

Can Wraithlord spawn in as a Putrid Wraithlord or Flame Wraithlord or no?

[noble flame]

Nope, just the one wraithlord

[calm dome]

Does Wraithlord only spawn regular wraiths or does it spawn based on the chance you have for w.e specific wraiths

[noble flame]

I dont actually recall

[sly forge]

EHG

When will they fix the abomination sacrifice bug?

[muted mist]

same chance as you; if you have 100% flame wraith chance it always spawns flame wraiths

[sly forge]

@tacit plinth another build for necro you can try (this is max t7 offline gear of course)

[tacit plinth]

Is that sacrifice abomination?

[sly forge]

yes

80% of the damage is from blood wraith

[tacit plinth]

They got big buffs so viable now nice

[sly forge]

36 sec offline=1 min 30-2 min online I think

My second best try after crit HS mage

[sly forge]

the top 1 corruption ladder guy on necro now uses the blood wraith build

[ashen bluff]

are you recordin planners anywhere

[sly forge]

S tier bossing and A tier farming

[sly forge]

please wait for some minutes

this is max t7 gear

you want to see it?

[calm dome]

I have a bad idea for an "autobomber"

What if we use Wraithlord to just auto summon as many wraiths that die as fast as they can. Use that to auto summon zombies which auto summon infernal shade when they die

[sly forge]

@ashen bluff https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3ZbK3l0 this is full max t7 gears offline. Just to test how strong it can be

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (38) / Necromancer (63) / Lich (12)

General:

▸ Health: 4,829, Regen: 59.4/s
▸ Mana: 480.51, Regen: 21.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 184%, Regen: 114/s
▸ Attributes: 92 Str / 19 Dex / 92 Int / 13 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 178% / 84% / 241% / 215%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 294%, Threshold: 966
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,941)
▸ Block Chance: 66%, Mitigation: 43% (1,490)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Sacrifice

[ashen bluff]

Are you keeping a list for all the builds and their planers of all the tests you've done?

Just so there's something to actually refer to as what is "optimized t7 offline gear"

[sly forge]

hmm I don't keep all

[sly forge]

I don't get it

I could say that the build is strong

since I use abom as comparison

currently my abom needs 27 sec to kill uberroth

this one needs 36-38 secs

so it is reasonable it is S tier

[tacit plinth]

You dont need to share planner all the time sometimes is nice for people to see what gear they can get and affixes

For me it works seing it at least I know its viable

[ashen bluff]

It also informs if its an actually playable build in some way or just offline number slop no offense intended

[tacit plinth]

@sly forge so the new skelly rogues you think they are better than before or not that strong

[ashen bluff]

Better but still crap >_>

[sly forge]

according to some comment here, it's is bugged right now

@wintry flame

did you check to see if they fixed it?

[tacit plinth]

Rofl of course why wouldn't it be

[sly forge]

yeah, this comment

[ashen bluff]

cleaver solution t rex + bees looks intersting on paper >_> shame can't go 3 set bees w that

[sly forge]

damn, at the end it can stack up to 22M bleeding dmg

[sly forge]

question

how do you sustain bee?

[ashen bluff]

do you mean how do you have bees or how do you keep em alive

[sly forge]

how do you have bee?

idols only has a few

like their combined dmg is not even close to blood wraith

[ashen bluff]

the apiarist set provides bees, full set of corrupt idols is I believe 27? belt experimental mod with enough + flasks gives you a window of between 50-200

[sly forge]

but can you refill flask frequently?

[ashen bluff]

shrug probably not feasibly

[sly forge]

yeah that's the problem with bee necro

[ashen bluff]

you can force between 20-40 passive bees from idol setup and the set

[sly forge]

bro 20-40 bee is not viable

you need at least 100 bee to be strong

[ashen bluff]

I mean easily force you just need like a couple idols it's 15 base from set I believe

"viable" for what

[sly forge]

B+ tier?

20-40 bee does not provide good dmg

[ashen bluff]

no idea what tiers mean they're arbitary af

[sly forge]

and by using the set you wont be having good bleed affixes

necro has 3 insane prefixes for bleed minions

that's why my blood wraith is so strong

[ashen bluff]

I'm not comparin to your completely unrealistic full offline setup i'm just yappin about an interesting chill concept

[sly forge]

even for online, these affixes are very good for bleed minions

hmm, not really sure if 50 bee is enough for the build to be good

[ashen bluff]

Apiarist set really wants to be the set items and not the crafted versions but then you're stuck without a chest or offhand >_>

[raven rock]

If you convert infernal shade to physical/bleed and then take the combustion node, does the shade eruption still do fire damage or would that also be physical?

[vivid valve]

Is it tanky?

[zinc cove]

how u guys make enuff gold to respec?

[sly forge]

as tanky as abom

[vivid valve]

Oh vmind that blood sac build seems rough to gear

[sly forge]

needs more affixes on armor and hat

the others is similar to abom

also need to change armor and gloves

[round stag]

i saw a chat the other day saying only 1 conversion works for most skills so in this case im guessing it would be bleed still but i would double check as i dont actually know the answer myself

[lost gale]

it should be physical but who knows if it actually works

[ashen bluff]

yeah combustion is not a convert

it's an added subskill and those should inherit conversions <_<

[crude vault]

how to make +str helmet/chest?

leveling str-based character only?

[hushed dew]

bleed stygian beam looks quite great, app. 30m dps on ST

idk if it would be as tanky as normal beamer lich

[charred ridge]

i remember being told once that area for flay increases the range at which you can teleport to enemies, has anybody tested and can confirm?

[tacit plinth]

Idk flay got nerfed on the teleport,was like the only downside it got so thats ok

[bright owl]

how do you calculate dps, i need some tool for flay sim 🙂

[merry rampart]

does anyone know if this

works with this

[lost gale]

yes blaze shades also last indefinitely

you'd have to get extremely lucky to have like 4 or 5 blaze shades permanently even if you had the node which makes them jump to another target when that target dies

if you scale the damage infernal shade a lot it will kill whatever you put it on reasonably quickly

[merry rampart]

nice, thanks

[lost gale]

I've tried a setup where you have zombies triggering infernal shades on death, infernal shades latching to minions and summon skeletons carrying them around and reviving plus ghostmaker & wraiths for more bodies

usually can't manage to keep more than 4-5 shades going at once

[merry rampart]

im trying to see if i can boost the minions resistance and life regen high enough to survive

im using pyre golems for carriers

i got 3 of them (pyre golems)

[hushed dew]

I just use windows calculator

and spreadsheets

[abstract summit]

This is the way

[old hull]

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

[willow verge]

anyone running abomination? could see the planner. got some questions

[lost gale]

I doubt it, if you're scaling your own/shade damage then even if you roll a couple of T7 minion life/regen affixes your shades are going to kill them really fast

it's not like skills that put ailments on you where the damage isn't scaled with your stats, the minions take your full DPS from the shade on them AFAIK.

the best use for on-minion shades is that combustion triggers if you cast the shade on a minion that already has a shade. Combustion doesn't damage the minions.

So you can trigger combustion really fast

[merry rampart]

i am scaling minion damage actually, the shades were just me trying to get some auxiliary damage on top of the pyre golems damage

im trying to fit other skills into my specialised skills that helps with auxiliary damage

since i only have Golems, Pyromancer skeleton mages, skeletons (which are not summoned because im wearing "Arons Will") and the Dread Shades

i dont have anything for the final slot

so i thought infernal shades could work

i guess ill just unspec Blaze shade and the damage nodes in infernal shade and just have them be utility for the golems through "Burn trail" and "Manic Pyre"

perhaps "Torment Beacon" could work too unless that also puts ignite stacks on my golems

or "Brimstone"

[lost gale]

Chaos Bolts can add flat spell damage per mana for your minions, should benefit your golems and mages

[merry rampart]

that's not a whole lot, +10 flat per 200 mana, and considering that im not stacking mana, i only have 104 mana, so that'd be like 5 extra flat damage, i think i prefer the infernal shades then

[pallid plume]

Okay HC ladder for necromancer shows crit mages with golem over CB is good....

I feel like HC ladder is dead right if this is the most popular option.

Like you dont scale any mana stuff just mages with casting skulls that crit.

[heady jacinth]

Skeleton resummon nodes doesnt work when use to summon abom? I tried with the shield totalling 100% chance to resummon after skele dead still not work

Bug or intended?

Im using it last season to get 20 skellies for summon abom

[pallid plume]

If you keep channeling do they no re summon

?

[heady jacinth]

No

[pallid plume]

Is this a weird wording thing

[heady jacinth]

Its work last season

[pallid plume]

Like if they die they have 100% chance to resummon

[heady jacinth]

Its keep summoning

This season not working

Idk if this bug or intended

[pallid plume]

It could have been changed.

As they dont technically die they are consumed

[heady jacinth]

I agree

So last season bug then?

[pallid plume]

Just to check if they die in a normal zone do they re summon ?

[heady jacinth]

Not a single mention tho on patch notes

[pallid plume]

Yeah bugs all over last season.

If every bug was in patch notes it would be 90% bugs i feel

[arctic grotto]

Skellies are unsummoned while channeling abom this patch instead of killed. They will not resurrect while channeling abom. It is intended by the devs.

[heady jacinth]

I need to get more skeleton on passive tree now

No way to cap 20 skellies for abom skill

[arctic grotto]

damage potential got capped hard for abom, you might need to summon 6 wraiths and 6 zombies to get reach the 20 cap.

[heady jacinth]

Yea they need to give another method tho

Its useless to give skill but no way to use it

[pallid plume]

I like the idea of abom just disabling skills and gaining the buffs.

Like if you summon abom and mages are on your bar. Mages skill wont summon and abom just gets buffs related to if it consumed them

[lost gale]

Intended, they buffed the nodes which counted per skeleton used to summon abom and made it so you can't just get 20 by using resurrection. It was in the patch notes.

[arctic grotto]

I mean you dont have to specialize, just summon the perma minions first (golem, skelly, skelly mages) then summon zombies and at last the wraiths, swap the zombies with abom then channel the big guy to existence.

[wintry flame]

they buffed the buffs regarding skeles and you just have to invest in them now

[lost gale]

future proofing, maybe there will be more +max skeletons in the future

[heady jacinth]

Which nodes? They buff the damage u mean?

[wintry flame]

it takes less skeles to reach the same potential so it's not that much of an issue

[lost gale]

more damage & health per skeleton warrior used to summon abom, more poison chance per rogue for abom's version of AoD etc.

it's definitely an overall nerf, but the powercreep in idols & other gear more than make up for it

[heady jacinth]

Ohh okay i see

Still hit like a truck tho

Just confused

[wintry flame]

shit more than makes up for it

[lost gale]

and it's not like you couldn't halve abom damage and still have it be crazy strong

[wintry flame]

CDR this patch gave abom probs double or more dmg lmao

[arctic grotto]

well its +8% melee damage per skelly warrior that is capped compared to +4% melee damage that can go on forever.

[heady jacinth]

Alrdy hitting 500k dmg not even empo mono

[wintry flame]

when was it uncapped?

[lost gale]

no it couldn't go forever, it was limited to 20

but it's true that you didn't need to chase +max skeletons if you got 80% res chance (or even 100%)

[arctic grotto]

amount of skeletons you can use to summon abom

[heady jacinth]

I see okay thank you

[wintry flame]

it was capped after the rework

[heady jacinth]

I guess i change my passive now

[wintry flame]

that never changed

[lost gale]

One thing I'm not sure about is whether Abom's health is capped to 20 minions contributing to it or not

[wintry flame]

pretty sure most consume benefits are capped at 20

[lost gale]

I know the basic more damage multi that abom gets per minion is capped at 20

but i'm not sure about the health

Abomination gains health equal to the max health of minions consumed and 5% more damage (multiplicative with other modifiers) per minion consumed (up to 20 minions).

[wintry flame]

idk tbh 😛 I only mess with abom to give out new planners when it gets updated

[arctic grotto]

I was taking about this one, not the regular 20 damage cap for abom

[lost gale]

and idk if that means that Abom double dips on % minion health

[wintry flame]

yeah it's always be 20 skeles

[lost gale]

I know, but that was capped since 1.3 (and didn't exist before that)

[wintry flame]

I asked this a long time ago... let me see if I can find the answer

[lost gale]

if it takes the final value of health for other minions and treats it as abom's base health than it should double dip I think, unless Abom specifically doesn't benefit from % minion health stuff

either way Abom only dies if you do something really really dumb (like spec destruction engine)

[wintry flame]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

that was mike's answer

[lost gale]

that reads like it double dips on minion hp

like you get (% inc minion hp total)^2 for abom

[wintry flame]

yeah

lmao that old Abom tree

omg

when you had to invest in consumption nodes

[lost gale]

it has a whiff of tempest strike about it

[wintry flame]

it was so bad man

[round stag]

finally a useable upgrade.....these gloves are a nightmare to farm for even with cof prophecies

[stone vault]

Anyone understand how to scale Dead Eye/horrific volley on Abom? EHG hates making things easy to understand ._.

[lost gale]

Bow Damage per Intelligence: +1
Eternal Arrow Cooldown Reduction (seconds): 0.25 per point
Eternal Arrow Recurve Chance per Absorbed Archer: +35% per point

you gotta spec your summon skeletons to only summon archers, get +max skeletons, get minion CDR, either use intelligence for flat or some source of generic minion flat like lich's scorn (or both), take generic damage stuff in Abomination too, don't worry too much about attack speed.

Recurve means the projectile can hit another time, the chance of hitting again is multiplied by 0.8 each time so let's say you have 200% recurve chance the first extra hit reduces that to 160%, the next reduces that to 128% chance, then 102%, then 82%, then 65% and lets say you get unlucky there and it doesn't hit again.

IIRC the abom can't have more than one eternal arrow active at the same time

which limits its effectiveness a bit

[pallid plume]

Just wondering how good is frostbite minions ?

I know dot mages is a thing but is take the frostbite and cold dmg a nice extra thing ?

Just re thinking my setup. Fire zoo seems spicy due to the warlock stuff and always ignite on fire arrow from skeleton archer.

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/frostbite/sources tough to itemise for I think

[pallid plume]

Yeah i guess just cold hit based has the dread shade to cold convert

Maybe just fire ailment is clearly better than cold.

[lost gale]

minion ailment in general is tough

[muted mist]

chaos bolts and cold-converted aura of decay can provide a significant amount of frostbite chance to your minions, but yeah, there's not a lot of items to boost it any further, you pretty much just slap 'of Sorrow' on your weapon

Fine as a leveling spec

[lost gale]

where there's support it's patchy and either you have something like Putridity which is strong enough to carry the build by itself or you just scrape around for ailment chance and scaling

[muted mist]

Once you have access to the Lich's offhand, then the large amount of flat provides a large incentive to switch over to crit if you're going cold

[stone vault]

It doesn't work like that sadly, it's all broken 😫

[pallid plume]

Yeah just trying to compare fire to cold stuff currently.

[muted mist]

But if you absolutely hate dealing with infernal shade then you can in theory get 2 cold pen per INT (Aura of Decay plus Lich offhand's effect on dread shade) so there's at least a little scaling possible

[lost gale]

since when? I thought people just decided it was worse than melee abom during 1.3 not that it didn't work

[pallid plume]

Fire mages with fire convert head skill for example is good. But maybe once you have cold dread shade cold is better

[lost gale]

2 cold pen per int (conditional on good positioning) along with the usual 4% increased is indeed pretty nice

but cold crit also gets that along with shitloads of flat damage (by minion build standards)

[stone vault]

Abom been broken since launch, seems it'll never be fixed for anything but melee.

[quaint minnow]

Hi, I only want to play as minions, is there a build for that?

[muted mist]

it is always optimal to spec into dread shade to buff your minions, but otherwise there are lots of options where your minions do all the work

Necro is themed around not just minions, but specifically being mean to your minions. If you want to be nice to your minions, there are a lot more options in Primalist

[muted mist]

at least there's more attack/cast speed options now, but most of the corruption options for minions are defensive

[teal topaz]

What an amusing piece of advice

[lost gale]

idk I think crow BMs work their birds pretty hard with how much they trigger and cast crowstorm

[muted mist]

Every time I tell my wife about ANY of my Necro builds I get such a look. Every build is either exploding my minions or setting them on fire

[teal topaz]

I noticed the... I think marrow shards? node that sacrifices a minion on each cast. I assume there's a way to automatically replenish minions without manual casts, but even so. Between that and the Rip Blood node that makes it able to hit minions, I can see how there are mean-to-minion builds, and I'm sure those aren't the only options.

[muted mist]

yep, i've not seen anyone use that node in a build but you can get to 100% chance for skeletons to respawn after 3s (sinathia shield, passive in first half of necro tree, and node in Summon Skeletons). Or Cycle of Putrescence does the same for zombies for a ring slot

If you convert marrow shards to splinter nova and trigger it with Rip Blood, it triggers from you, not the enemy, right? So you have to be in melee-ish range?

[lost gale]

you can set up rip blood so it targets your minions and triggers a marrow shard which hits your minions and shoot bone golem in the back to keep it triggering a nova spell

[tender ridge]

i got into an argument with someone about how sacrifice was a quintessential necromancer spell

they argued that it was the opposite of what you want to be doing as a necromancer and that you should just be wanting to keep your minions around forever

i'm sitting there like "Bruh have you seen any necromancer media from the past several decades?"

[muted mist]

There's certainly some variation depending on the source material but in this game for this class? The theme is quite consistent.

[tender ridge]

true, but even if you just look within the game's genre. going all the way back to D2 you've got minion sacrifice themes

corpse explosions and stuff

[muted mist]

the examples i'm thinking of where necromancers are nice are all pretty blatant genre subversions, come to think

[noble flame]

The golem AI seems kinda buggy. It just stands there and does nothing a lot of times. I gotta do the minion move command to get it to work again

[muted mist]

to be pedantic, D2's Corpse Explosion doesn't blow up a minion, it blows up a corpse that could have been a minion. Detonating your Flame Golem was a thing, though.

[left whale]

Lol that happens to me too sometimes, i thought it was just me

[tender ridge]

being that big takes a lot of energy give him a break

[left whale]

Resummon em and they start to attack

[noble flame]

he's on the clock and there's no labour laws for the undead

[muted mist]

does toggling them between defensive and aggressive help? guessing not but might be worth trying

[tender ridge]

i still need to decide on an acolyte build for the season. once I finish observer with upheaval i'll be done with that build

[left whale]

Tried both, same thing

[noble flame]

Only things that seem to work is hitting the attack move, moving far enough, or just resummoning

[left whale]

Resummoning it seems to help or attack

[tender ridge]

resummoning is the most consistent for me

attack move sometimes he'll just turn to the location and tpose

[noble flame]

I'm working on a Blood Wraith Abomination build. The initial tests were good, but Abom still likes to sac itself sometimes

[tender ridge]

which, fair, I guess he's big enough that I can't really do anything about that. I'll just get tposed on

i wanna do something with cthonic fissure that isn't whips or torment. the fissure itself just kinda sucks a lot

[azure dawn]

how come dont really see wraithlord builds anymore?

did they nerf it to the ground?

[tender ridge]

it got nerfed but it's still perfectly playable

it's just not as good as abom so people play abom mostly

[willow verge]

hi, guys. sitting on a 5mi gold on rn on MG. im a necro fire zombie. What build could i do now with this money to push high on corrupt:

[noble flame]

Wraiths have a passive that summon them at target location and it costs more mana... but they already do that by default

[patent drift]

its just old and boring

[muted mist]

once people figured out how much you could abuse snapshotting with Abom, it emerged as a stronger build, and the rework just exacerbated the disparity . It's also more work to play than Abom; the wraithlord doesn't have the insane health that lets the Abom laugh off the downsides of Infernal and Dread Shade, it's immobile so you have teleport it around, and since it has no AOE the swarm clear is bad unless you're using the primordial overkill weapon for clear

[tender ridge]

I thought his lasers blasted everything around them

[muted mist]

it hits 3 targets each time it fires with no splash; Hit up to 3 nearest enemies in 7 meter radius

[tender ridge]

TIL

I remember it hitting a bunch of stuff at once

[teal topaz]

Saaaaaad. First 5 rolls went into % physical. sad it finally got a useless roll

(I'm running blood warlock)

[muted mist]

at least it rolled a useful affix at all?

[teal topaz]

yeah, even if the last 2 rolls suck, 5 rolls into % physical is still nice, was just disappointed the streak ended

last 2 went into void resistance. can't honestly complain about resistances

[obtuse quest]

IT could have fired pretty quickly last time, maybe that's why

[willow verge]

abom necro could do 1k+ corrupt?

[tender ridge]

That's probably what I was remembering. Cleared quick because it was a gattling gun

[abstract summit]

Oh but was it used last league lol

[obtuse quest]

That’s due to Flay setups getting skeletons for effectively free. (Army of Skin)

[quaint minnow]

i now play Necromancer Golemancerб but I'm not sure how relevant that is, since the build is for the third season, I just saw it on YouTube

[lost gale]

Acolyte strikes me as an objectivist anyway, not a great respecter of those kinds of laws

[lost gale]

I've been thinking with the 13 specter limit and their improved stats that automating sac may be unnecessary really

[noble flame]

I like that I can automate it for skeletons as the target. But yeah, the new Blood Wraiths are really nice

[lost gale]

before they limited specter numbers the abom automation seemed incredible

you could hit insane numbers

they're not gonna be a comfy build ever tho cos phys minions = cast bone curse every 4s & worry about positioning with AoD

[abstract summit]

Well that and the node being giga bugged lol

Think they have fixed it tho but maybe people just havent retested it yet this league

[calm dome]

what self hit stuff gets enabled by penance swine amulet?

[willow verge]

have a planner?

[noble flame]

More Bees: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeYJOKx2
Less Bees: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJW0k493

It has to be noted that the Abom can just sacrifice itself sometimes.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (73) / Lich (20)

General:

▸ Health: 5,182, Regen: 2,131.92/s
▸ Mana: 257.51, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 224%, Regen: 1131/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 28 Dex / 55 Int / 32 Att / 93 Vit
▸ Resistances: 101% / 66% / 66% / 92% / 66% / 195% / 159%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 1,421
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (112)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,649)
▸ Block Chance: 25%, Mitigation: 0% (0)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (73) / Lich (20)

General:

▸ Health: 5,173, Regen: 1,404/s
▸ Mana: 227.51, Regen: 10.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 282%, Regen: 676/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 23 Dex / 49 Int / 17 Att / 88 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 67% / 67% / 93% / 67% / 191% / 155%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 1,035
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (109)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,949)
▸ Block Chance: 25%, Mitigation: 0% (0)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination

[willow verge]

lol, a bug?

[noble flame]

yeah, it's not supposed to. It's been there since they reworked Abom and it's really holding back some interesting builds

[willow verge]

kind in dout about the best way of scaling abom right now. endurance with t-rex or just str.

[noble flame]

shrug people slept on Xylem Paladin stuff last season. Next season people are gonna be all about blood wraiths (assuming this bug ever gets fixed)

[paper notch]

so i picked warlock and now i feel like i should have picked something else lol

[willow verge]

U can respec the mastery

[paper notch]

Well i mean like whole new claass

i tried the zombie build, its cucked

[willow verge]

good or bad?

[paper notch]

just needs a lot to w ork

[willow verge]

very weird playstyle i think

[paper notch]

i dont have the shit to make it go, im only level 73 or sometghing

i have some of the end game peices buts its so weird lol the zombies stay still and dont move, very weird playstyle

i just need to change into a build that can get me through monoliths easy, like working towards flame whip build or somethin

[night hemlock]

Zombie Warlock is very good, but it's very gear dependant and it's very clunky

[paper notch]

ya i just need a build to get me through until i find peices

i guess i should have kept with the leveling guide one for now but i respec'd like a moron

like flame whip needs the spine of malatros

[night hemlock]

Yeah

[paper notch]

and the pearls amulet

which i dont have lol

ya idk what to do, o well

[vivid valve]

What bug

I did notice Blood wraith seems much harder to gear then abom

Like abom can do over 1k with 1lp

But I have not tried bw, just looked at the stats for those players . 4lp chest and helm...

[noble flame]

Abomination sometimes sacrifices itself with Destruction Engine.

[tender ridge]

zombie warlock is also weird because it's a CD caster playstyle that scales minion damage

on a non-"minion" mastery

[supple bane]

any good guides for abom? i see everyone is playing it on ladder, and my current fire skeletal mages feeling bit wet paperbag

[weak atlas]

As I turn level 70.. let’s say I have no build specific uniques or legendaries.. what’s the strongest build I can spec into? I’ve been running the leveling acolyte build from max roll.

[high rivet]

That's a subjective question, but supposedly abomination necro is strong

[weak atlas]

I guess necro aside:)

[boreal rampart]

So the corrupted exalts from the window stuff are all useless, unless I'm going to equip it, because I can't slam with them?

[rugged onyx]

I did Minion Necro last season and it was pretty fun but this season I'm going Lich for chaos damage. Prob will be easy to get gear for Harvest earlier then switch to Flay once I get the Tithe axe IMO.

[weak atlas]

Right now w acolyte I need fire/curse/spell.. so it’s semi diverse.. how is Lich to gear and which Lich build? Like a melee? What does one need gear wise to own?

[weak atlas]

I sent a pm w a little question tyvm

[noble flame]

I've been playing a bit more and I think you're right. I'm not sure what I would use in its place though. Any minion is likely to just get popped by a sac-chain. The upside is that you could get some use out of skeletons besides exploding.

[ember fractal]

I've got a...

Question

I'm trying to hunt for Aaron's Will and I wonder what the fastest way would be. Any advice?

More specific sub-questions (only if main is too vague):

• Is this a good use of Runes of Ascendance?
• Does the base type (Revenant Armor) matter for Rune of Ascendance or any body armor will do?
• Do I need to use Rune of Ascendance inside map or can I do so anywhere?
• Can profecies give this armor or are they a waste of time?
• If the above is yes, which ones work?

[noble flame]

CoF Prophecies for chest unique is probably the best way to farm it

Try using: 100% Reduced mono events, 100% reduced non-mono events, and body armor. Stock up and go hunting

[ember fractal]

Have to be ones dedicated for this timeline or generic ones will do?

[noble flame]

No dedicated timeline needed

[ember fractal]

What is mono? In this game obviously...

[noble flame]

Mono = monolith. the timelines at the end of the game

[ember fractal]

Why reduced monolith events than? I use 100% reduced campaign events and 100% reduced arena events. I don't get your lenses.

[noble flame]

It'll be limited to some specific targets with no corruption requirements. It really streamlines the options

[errant oriole]

hi can someone help me figure out why my char sheet shows -23% less damage taken please, I have titan heart and merophage (-15% less damage taken for both), I also have +5% increased damage taken from my amulet and +6% from my belt, also, the number doesn't change when leeching (but it should because of merophage)

planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzbD3pd

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 73

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Lich (63)

General:

▸ Health: 2,081, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 103.86, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 7/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 18 Dex / 13 Int / 3 Att / 53 Vit
▸ Resistances: 48% / 73% / 107% / 30% / 79% / 45% / 53%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 624
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,204)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation: 14% (81)

Used skills:

Flay / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood

[ember fractal]

So I guess once I unlock 3rd lense, the best would be NO campaign, NO arena and YES body armor.

Can you answer about Runes of Ascendance too? I have like 20 to spend and I don't think I will need it for something else...

[noble flame]

Rune of ascendance can be used on any body armor. It's like a 1% chance.

For lenses you want: Focusing Lens of Time, Obscuring Lens of Time, and then the one for Body armor

You wont get arenas with this setup either

[willow verge]

bastion of honor or face of the mountain(endurance stack) for abomination builds?

[noble flame]

Face of the Mountain. Endurance stacking with Tyrant Skull is good. Endurance stacking and getting 100% block is also very nice.

[stone vault]

Anyone playing a Dead Eye/Horrific Volley abom :)?

[tender ridge]

I found a 2lp wheel of torment and I think I'm gonna do something with soul feast

Maybe blood tether

[ember fractal]

Another question:

• Which Acolyte skill is good for pet builds unleveled? I have empty slot and no idea what to do with it.

Currently I'm just using skellies for more bodies on the screen but I don't feel like they do anything. And they water down my teleport with minions too...

[old hull]

I love wheel, if you ever crack a way to get it a lil bit more damage, it'll pop off

Torment nerfs on top of global enemy health buffs took it from top tier low corruption farmer to oof

[old hull]

Do you have a golem out already? Unspecced golem is nice early on

[tender ridge]

yeah this is what makes me mostly want to use it as a vessel for other stuff

since it curses yourself with torment too, I'm guessing that the self spell damage from cthonic fissure works and it's just another stack of that buff

[old hull]

Nope 😔

[tender ridge]

aww

it's another curse for Pearls at least

i was gonna do phys pearls with bone curse aura

four self curses for tons of ward/s

[old hull]

I've looked into trying to make wheel work again, and that was one of the thoughts - idols with cast speed while cursed and getting stacks of the self-torment flat damage thingy

Self cursing with phys pearls is a bit dangerous, no?

Penance might be a fun combo, proc tons of self-hits to proc stuff like HS

and if not that, then acid skin is one you can negate the downside of entirely

[tender ridge]

yes it's extremely dangerous

but constant DoT aura for blood tethers!

i wish soul feast had more damage bonuses. it has a single hit bonus, and a single generic bonus

like wtf

[ember fractal]

Level 88 and got 2 golems.
My specced skills are:

• Golem
• Skellie Mages
• Hungering Souls (unused slot)
• Dread Shade
• Boom Zombies

[ripe gazelle]

Hey guys! I have a newbie question: Im following a fire skeletal mage guide, but theres no "uber endgame gear" guide so after the legendaries with 1 extra affix (1 LP), I dont know what should I get for progressing. Is there something like "staples affixes" that I should look for or just change the build for other with a "more complete" guide?

[old hull]

Right, like it feels like it should deal its full damage per curse on the target tbh

[tender ridge]

that would be pretty sick

does the wheel's torment get the necrotic res scaling from fissure's tree?

[old hull]

Could always slap on bone curse, I suppose? If you can use the amulet slot, pearls of the swine can make it apply a potentially useful curse (the phys pearls is great for DOT builds, idk what you are running)

[tender ridge]

that seems like the most obvious route to go

[old hull]

Yes, but it does not get grim tide

[tender ridge]

ah that's a big deal then

[old hull]

iirc it scales with all the torment-specific nodes in fissure, and possibly with applicable nodes in soul feast?

[tender ridge]

i was thinking you go necro DoT with spirit plague, wandering spirits, soul feast, fissure

i got a 2 or 3lp gravestone

i've never built damned overload without it being part of witchfire

damned overload is like more damage based on both your and your target's missing health right?

[old hull]

More damned damage based on those, yeah

[tender ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olV7Y0P3 so these are items I have at those LP values, not necessarily those stats. kinda thinking spirit plague would be better off as something else, but I like spirit plague

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (11) / Warlock (63)

General:

▸ Health: 1,640, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 108.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 142%, Regen: 41/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 4 Dex / 51 Int / 4 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 44% / 9% / 9% / 35% / 9% / 186% / 41%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 328
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (128)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 10% (259)

Used skills:

Wandering Spirits / Soul Feast / Bone Curse / Chthonic Fissure / Spirit Plague

[tender ridge]

probably want cast speed to just spam the crap out of soul feast

damned probably doesn't do enough damage without pyre of affliction but this does seem like a fun take on torment

it can be basically a 2 or 3 button build

[pallid geyser]

hey gusy i am playing RIP blood warlock and I cannot tell which wand is better can any one help me plz

[night hemlock]

I would expect the ladle to be better but you can go check at the dummy and try figure it out yourself

[pallid geyser]

were is the dummy?

[night hemlock]

At the arena

[old hull]

OH I just re-tested this again for funzies, looks like they did fix it 😁

It gives beacon stacks now

[tender ridge]

O:

it's a shame that soul feast's actual damage is so pitiful lol. you could generate a TON of flat damage that way

[old hull]

Blood tether's damage isn't necessarily so bad since it scales with bleed stacks

[tender ridge]

actually, is penance the one that triggers when hit or is that anguish?

[old hull]

You can also get damned chance per int on soul feast which converts to bleed with bleed primo

[old hull]

Hits the cursed target when they hit something else, 0.35s ICD tho sadly

[tender ridge]

that's a good point. I was building a full damned build just now since I didn't think the spell damage would stakc

but you can get a LOT of bleed chance that way to push into blood tether

[old hull]

These idols gotta go hard on stacking bleed + spell damage

[tender ridge]

it's not an ailment though 🙁

it's a spell

imagine if it was

[old hull]

ikr, such a tease that node is

[pallid geyser]

with blood rip

any one know why we use this belt?

I jsut have some 3LP belts which i assume are better

[tender ridge]

it should be more physical damage over time

that might actually make it good

[tender ridge]

because it gives +1 phys skills and chance to bleed on hit

[pallid geyser]

would this be low key good untill i get a red ring?

or this or this

[tender ridge]

nah you crit cap pretty easily already so that would mostly be a net loss with the multi reduction

[pallid geyser]

oh good point!

[tender ridge]

i thought the rip blood guide had alternatives until you get red ring

[pallid geyser]

it has the crab ring and ocr thats it

i am just htinking these 3 lp rings would be not so bad

the posion dmg does nothign hey

[tender ridge]

just having LP doesn't necessarily mean it's good

[pallid geyser]

100% just thinking if i hit 3 affix that would be good

[tender ridge]

if the other stats on the item don't help you then it's probably worse than just a 4 affix exalt

[pallid geyser]

but same time the prefex on the normal items are good

chill doesnt really do much hey

yeah its a bit what ever really

wait

icnrease posion dmg is good for RIP blodo no?

its on our neck

[tender ridge]

okay so either necroDoT with torment, or bleed+Tether with carrion. both seem like they could be fun. torment is at least already a build

[tender ridge]

i don't see why it would be

[modern timber]

they need to rework it so that u have perma lich form

i rly dislike losing my form

[tender ridge]

if you're losing your form you're not fighting enough or don't have enough leech

you should be able to keep it basically permanently in echoes. the only time it should drop is if you get blasted for your entire health bar

[raw surge]

this is my Octa-Curse DoT build, my main stuff is Spirit Plague, Fissure, Torment, Damned, etc

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olV7YNwO

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Lich (12) / Warlock (69)

General:

▸ Health: 2,477, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Mana: 230.47, Regen: 16.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 269%, Regen: 242/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 27 Dex / 106 Int / 14 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 174% / 106% / 132% / 182% / 90% / 447% / 131%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 594
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (108)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,852)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Profane Veil

[tender ridge]

wait toast this actually might be cracked. Soul Feast has similar bleed multipliers to chaos bolts, but also applies blood tether

[tender ridge]

that's a lotta curses

I'm trying to use a 2LP wheel of torment I lucked into

[raw surge]

ive managed to sustain everyone besides exposed flesh, other than that it includes every curse and focuses around them

or tries to at least

[old hull]

I'm not 100% sure if the incision node is working right... it's a lil rough to test, but doesn't seem like it's doing much at all

[tender ridge]

that is heartbreaking

5% per 100 missing is the same as chaos bolts 1% per 20

I would test like this:

1. LLW build with lots of health idols
2. Aura bone curse with MFD
3. Cast once since you have 100% bleed chance, note tick damage
4. remove all health idols and repeat

if you lose even like 400 max health it should be a pretty noticable difference in damage ticks

[old hull]

I did it with just infinite duration bone curse instead of aura

[plush loom]

Yo someone check my math - Ghost Flame base channel cost - 48
50% less cost (spectral malice tree)
54% less cost (bluefeather band primordial)
110% increased cost - Circle + movement
80% increased mana efficiency (idols)+40% effect from refraction for 112% increased efficiency

-4 cost of spells (Fire starter)
-5 cost of spells (t7 spellslinger)

for a total of ~1.9 mana per second?

[old hull]

didn't bother much with my health, I had 1405 missing health and instead tried with 2 vs 5 points and then again with full health

[old hull]

iirc the -cost applies before efficiency, which would put it at 7.88 mps

[plush loom]

aw

[old hull]

Still easily sustainable

[plush loom]

not with bluefeather though since ud cut regen in half

[tender ridge]

was there any difference at all or 0 difference?

[hidden sable]

+1 level

[old hull]

Yeah, that does hurt, true, and tbh I'm not sure where blufeather falls in the calc, it might be after the flat as well

channel costs are weird

[plush loom]

also does -cost apply to Bone curse aura?

[old hull]

At 1405 missing health, I saw almost no difference between 2 and 5 points, but there was a difference between 0 and 1405 missing health lol

[old hull]

Not sure on that, haven't messed with it since its rework

[noble flame]

Last season I managed pretty good duration for Ghostflame with Bluefeather. Still had to stop and do a harvest every now and again to top up. Probably better with idols and idol effect stuff now

[tender ridge]

i thought it was previously possible to infinitely channel ghostflame with the efficiency idols, even before the altars and primordials

[old hull]

Yeah, it is

[plush loom]

i remember having to use transplant as a mana battery

[old hull]

That one set also helps

[hidden sable]

it was easy but it took a lot of sources of mana regen

[obtuse quest]

Yes iirc

[hidden sable]

like mana regen on a mana regen rolled nimis

[old hull]

and if you want, you can spec GF to proc marrow shards and spec it to recover mana

[tender ridge]

you know self cursing decrepify as a low-life build does seem like a bad idea, doesn't it

[old hull]

yeah lol

[obtuse quest]

Looking to die, exile?

[hidden sable]

self curse decrepify doesnt matter if your recovery is good

[tender ridge]

i forgot it deals more damage per 5 missing health lol

[vivid valve]

Who here playing life based abomination Necro. Not low life ward

[tender ridge]

would this work from wheel of torment?

[tender ridge]

okay i'm sold, this seems like it could be a lot of fun

[vivid valve]

Are the hp abom setups just spamming potion? There has to be better sustain than this that I'm missing

Like maybe some hp on minion death node?

[old hull]

I'm not sure if this works... if it does, maybe it would spread bleeds when fissure is phys converted?
For sure the infernal shade consumer doesn't work, but they have apparently changed some stuff since I last tried, so worth a re-look

[tender ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWX9zLOD

if it does work, this is my plan

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (30) / Lich (21) / Warlock (62)

General:

▸ Health: 2,799, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 237.51, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 298%, Regen: 29/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 10 Dex / 129 Int / 4 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 82% / 80% / 196% / 85% / 142% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 560
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (181)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (659)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Soul Feast / Aura Of Decay / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Rip Blood

[tender ridge]

i'm sure there's a better idol setup, but that spread goes crazy with carrion

oh i don't need as much phys res now that I think about it. AoD converts the bonus from Respite doesn't it?

[old hull]

It does

One point in soul feast recast feels real nice while clearing imo

[tender ridge]

i haven't played with it much

[old hull]

Also, you want to max torment duration

[tender ridge]

oh yeah

-2 ignite spread, -2 ?, +4 torment duration

probably the ignite/s node

i can probably level well enough as just rip blood bleeds

then swap to LLW once I have carrion available

[old hull]

Could go out of the mana cost or torment spread

[ivory sorrel]

does anyone have any top tier builds for Necro at max level please? feel like this season Necro has been left in the dust

[sly forge]

I would recommend abom, flame wraith, blood wraith

and maybe crit HS skeletal mages

they are all good for me

abom and flame wraith are most gear friendly

crit HS skeletal mages are very hard to gear to max its potential. But once it got the minmaxed gear its dmg is greater than abom :)))

[ivory sorrel]

any links to builds please?

[sly forge]

abom and flame wraith is in maxroll

blood wraith has similar gear to abom. You use abom to sacrifice skeletons to summon blood wraiths

zeckar has some build planner for crit HS mage in this discord I remember

[ivory sorrel]

isn't abom build lcunky because you have to assemble the abomination?

[sly forge]

but you have to change some gear

[sly forge]

not for me? Like you only assemble them once?

[ivory sorrel]

i dont know, i have never used it, im just going by what ive heard from people using it, i have considered it but was unsure

[sly forge]

abom is the S tier build. It's really good

for online player I definitely recommend it

easiest to gear

[ivory sorrel]

ill give it a go then, thanks

[sly forge]

also right now I actually don't know if you should try blood wraith

[ivory sorrel]

ah yeah i remember now, the maxroll website says summoning is tedious

[sly forge]

they are really good but there is a bug that causes abomination to sometimes sacrifice itself

[sly forge]

you just summon it once

it cannot die by any attack

why does it matter?

[ivory sorrel]

because i couldnt possibly know what it means by that if i havent played it before?

[quiet seal]

Hey guys, what have you been spending your timeglass fragments on? More Omen chains?

[ivory sorrel]

and if its tedious enough for maxroll to say then it must be tedious

[sly forge]

it's a permanent minion

you just summon it once

and it's not skeleton who dies by enemies attack

abom is almost immortal

[ivory sorrel]

ok but im just repeating what this site says.

[noble flame]

quality of life matters to some and others just want maximum dps

[sly forge]

ok but it's not like you need to summon it twice

it's just like you are doing an one time setup

[noble flame]

As long as you dont use Destruction Engine or leave Dread Shade on too long without recasting you should be fine

[sly forge]

and the setup is permanent

[tacit plinth]

To be fair man its a lot easier than what its implied just gotta do it before start playing every session or when you die

[sly forge]

you don't even need to re-setup during playtime

[ivory sorrel]

that makes sense, thanks for clarifying

[tacit plinth]

I mega grinded aberroth and uber last season around 700 uber kills with abo,and its a joke of a fight with it pretty ez watch some YouTube or film and relax so have fun with it cause it slaps hard any boss

[ivory sorrel]

sounds awesome!

[sly forge]

it's one of the easiest uberroth killer

because your minion will tank him

you just need to stay behind

[tacit plinth]

You can even do some snapshots that you can learn to make it even more op if you dont have a problem with i,for one didn't mind and it wasn't long to do either i changed 0 skills just items

[willow verge]

transitioning to abom low life. right now. what equips is needed fo the snapshot

[tacit plinth]

Lich scorn the set is one of the snapshots

Ask professional here like zeckar

[azure dawn]

what about clear?

[tacit plinth]

Clear is decent at least way better than bear

[tacit plinth]

Since it has huge area and stomp is stronger and more spammable now days clear should be same or better

[obtuse quest]

F

[willow verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1i_qEzzThQ&t=1s

this video?

[tacit plinth]

That video is good but some stuff has changed since then ask here about all the snapshots possible and do some research

[calm dome]

Should I prioritize T7 Mana or T7 Shared Fire Damage on the body armor for Ignite Zombies

[willow verge]

i see

@wintry flame so. not use of sinasthia shield now?

[old hull]

We really need some way to block heals or something lol, all the blood skills want you to be low health while also forcibly healing you

[lost gale]

I think the ailment proliferation when tormented in fissure tree works, which makes the number of enemies into something like a more multi for ailments

[willow verge]

bone curse oor infernal shade for abom build?

[tender ridge]

yeah that's why i converted rip blood to necrotic and changed it to ward. i think blood feast is gonna be low enough healing that it shouldn't matter much

especially with losing 45% current health/s

[old hull]

Yeah, the sad part is then it deletes all your bleeds you would have gotten from rip blood

[tender ridge]

does carrion not convert it back?

[old hull]

It shouldn't, skills usually go last

[tender ridge]

if it doesn't then it's whatever. it gives me a damned overload for another multiplier

[wintry flame]

yeah skeles don't resummon so you just have to get as many as possible without that.

[willow verge]

for scaling abom. Which one do u think is better. endurance or pure stren

[wintry flame]

you build both, ideally

use endurance shield and you can get like 200% endurance and over 100 str still

[willow verge]

yeah. im doing that

can u see my character? if wont bother

[wintry flame]

what is your character?

[willow verge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVaPvjD4

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (79) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,789, Regen: 21.69/s
▸ Mana: 241.42, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 211%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 95 Str / 7 Dex / 95 Int / 7 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 76% / 76% / 136% / 98% / 69% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 224%, Threshold: 558
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (28)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,507)
▸ Block Chance: 108%, Mitigation: 32% (767)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Infernal Shade / Assemble Abomination / Dread Shade

[wintry flame]

I mean you have a lot of upgrades you can do. Rings, amulet, idols. You have a good altar with max omens, but need some omen idols to put in it. If you got some movement speed on boots you could probably forget the haste node. and redo passives a bit. You take the 2% atk/cast speed node (Risen Army) instead of the 4% (Frantic Summons). idk how many armor shred stacks you get, but probably could max the shred node. idk if soul conduits is adding much usefulness. I'd change up your passives a bit, farm for a nihilis, better rings, and some omen idols with minion CDR. those omen idols with some higher % health would go a long way. your hp pool is a bit low.

[willow verge]

thnks. apreciate the tips

[wintry flame]

of course

[willow verge]

diddnt think of nihilis. good sugestion

[west rune]

is there anything i can do for my skills to cost less mana?

[obtuse quest]

Find uniques that do so, otherwise mana efficency

[west rune]

i need it for abyssal echoes where can i get mana efficency? and do yk which uniques

[humble crater]

are there any necromancer builds i should follow? im in endgame just beat my 1st harbinger and i keep dying to 100 corruption enemies.

[lost gale]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/hv6gj20e

[crude vault]

drop AoD if u push, u dont need it

[vivid scaffold]

Any endgame good lootfilter for rip blood Warlock build ?

[quiet seal]

I'm thinking I'd like to try this too, is there a written guide/video at all? I was curious why the choice of Siphon of Anguish?

[lost gale]

1. I'd drop abomination and take Bone Curse (50% more phys damage for affected minions), you don't need Abom with the 13 specter limit imo and it doesn't really add anything other than automating sacrifice.
2. Siphon of Anguish lets the damage from sacrificing skeletons apply Doom, Doom increases melee damage received by the enemy by 4% per stack which works for your minions damage and you don't need a second phantom grip to cap crit

you could use a red ring maybe, with cleaver you have the attributes for it

but 16% more melee damage taken by bosses is nice enough

[quiet seal]

wow okay, that's great info, many thanks

[lost gale]

I haven't tested self casting sacrifice and bone curse tbh, but it should work. The main potential issue would be if it costs too much mana

you gotta cast bone curse every 4s

which isn't that much mana I guess

[quiet seal]

okay, I'll bare that in mind, thank you

[lusty umbra]

Hey

i have passive that says i always count as low health and i have 2 idols that increase my spell damage on low hp

but if i check the numbers

this is when im ~full hp

and this is when i lose a bit

is it a bug or am i missing something?

[lusty umbra]

even more like this

almos x2 difference

this is my profile: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Aki__/character/Lich

[lost gale]

yes it's bugged and has been since 1.3

I have no idea why they haven't fixed it yet

I can only suggest you press F8 in game and report it

I'm sure it's been reported countless times but I've actually never seen anyone bring up the idols before, only the passive tree and reaper form low-life stuff that doesn't work

[sick belfry]

peeps do you run the hp drain/ward on hp lost nodes for manaflay

feels like I can't maintain enough ward retention/decay treshold to make proper use of it, while it keeps draining my health

[late tulip]

Are we abomination mains

Is that our most op build right now or?

[lost gale]

there may be better builds but none are as thoroughly proven as Abom

[vernal fern]

I was going to try switch to Abom, how bad is the clear?

[white finch]

When I'm using ask wake for aura of decay...will it convert all skills of tree to fire or just the baseline ? Like corruption, the poison nova skill, will it become fire/ignite ?

[plush loom]

i dont think it converts poison nova, it should only really convert the base aoe and resistnace/damage reduction nodes

[white finch]

MH, okay, thanks !

[sick belfry]

does this just keep you frenzied permanently if running the low health passive on lich, since any hit would leave you at low health?

[lost gale]

low health passive on lich is bugged doesn't work

[plush loom]

im sorry what?

[lost gale]

2 Point Bonus
Your current health and your ward each cannot exceed 50% of your maximum health. You always count as being at low life.
Does not scale with points allocated
Health And Ward Cannot Exceed Max Health Percentage: 50%
Always Count As At Low Life
The bolded bit is a lie/bugged

you count as low-life below 35% life (I think, might be 33 or 30?)

[plush loom]

wow, that sucks, ive been using that since league start

[raw surge]

Well you could test this with multiple spell damage on low life idols no?

[lost gale]

you could if you cared to

[raw surge]

I mean i dont lol, it just seemed you were implying its wrong because it say you cant exceed 50 and that low counts at 35. But if they intentionally make it work at 50 for that passive its a bit different, unless it is genuinely bugged and doesnt work.

[tacit plinth]

A mod pinged that a dve said it was a tooltip error and node is not actually bugged i gotta test that out no gear but I doubt thats the real case and its actually bugged

[raw surge]

rip

[teal topaz]

coming up on level 50, I have multiple (seemingly) viable options for a 5th skill and I don't know which I want. I'm running physical/bleed with constant life drain and a big ward. I spam rip blood to trigger marrow shards with interspersed fissures that can cast chaos bolts. As I see it I can go aura of decay(swapped to bleed), some minions specced to do bleed or something else useful, or I can do transplant. I currently use it un-specialized for traversal. Could specialize in it and have it give mana back. In some boss fights I can run into mana issues if I use fissure too often, but it feels like there's a better solution to that than an entire spec slot.

not following any build, just feeling my way through. figure I'll do that until I hit a wall

[lost gale]

I'd spec fissure to target you with spirits and give you +flat damage, unspec chaos bolts, use aura of decay and bone curse

warlock gets pretty good damage out of just having the enemy be cursed multiple times over, which you can achieve with bone curse + amulet

[muted mist]

Bone golems are an underrated option in my opinion for leveling and low corruption but only if you're benefiting from the Hunger node, and you're low life. So yeah, bone curse

[teal topaz]

Thanks. Further question then regarding aura of decay. Does the node which causes poison nova become a blood nova if the aura is converted to physical/bleed?

[sick belfry]

dang, is it still bugged?

I remember hearing something similar last season

[lost gale]

you did, early in 1.3 all the mana flay lich builds swapped off the low-life stuff in reaper form for a reason

[lost gale]

I don't think it converts, haven't tested it tbh

the nova is pretty weak. What you want in AoD is the resistance reduction for your phys spells (rip blood & mshards)

[sick belfry]

🙃

how is it still not fixed

[lost gale]

that's a very good question

Abomination sacrifice is still broken since 1.3 too

I think they said they fixed abom sac before even but they definitely did not

[teal topaz]

I mean, I remember how long various old bugs stuck around. Like how if you disabled chat it only lasted for that zone and as soon as you went anywhere else, it reactivated even if settings showed it as disabled. That was an issue for years.
I don't follow as closely nowadays, but my opinion of the devs and their ability/willingness to fix bugs is pretty low.

[sick belfry]

not surprised anymore

[tacit plinth]

@sick belfry dev said it was fixed and it was tooltip bug

Do you believe cause as a mana flay main i don't

[sick belfry]

insert Cher's 'do you believe'

[noble flame]

This looks good. I wound up with something a bit similar last night, but leaned into the bleeds: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzjYyP3

I've got other versions with Vessel too. Even my barely equipped setup has been doing great starting empowered.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (67) / Lich (26)

General:

▸ Health: 3,252, Regen: 685.44/s
▸ Mana: 120.51, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 172%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 37 Str / 47 Dex / 86 Int / 41 Att / 167 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 91% / 91% / 121% / 91% / 293% / 258%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 214%, Threshold: 650
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,134)
▸ Block Chance: 102%, Mitigation: 45% (1,604)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination

[raw surge]

Trying to figure out what ring to use for this build, currently, for uniques, im leaning ashes of mortality, julra's stardial, or siphon of anguish and if i run anguish id try and maybe run stymied fate too? My damage is starting to fall off i just beat 175 harbinger and trying to keep my build going from here

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbGlJde

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Lich (7) / Warlock (75)

General:

▸ Health: 2,620, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Mana: 222.47, Regen: 16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 273%, Regen: 199/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 23 Dex / 106 Int / 10 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 147% / 84% / 110% / 168% / 87% / 411% / 119%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 629
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,295)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Profane Veil

[lost gale]

no lone watcher? you just raw dogging the dread shade drain?

I like the eternal arrow & skelly archers thing

[noble flame]

Been finding I like casting it on enemies. All my minions cycle too fast to keep it up normally it seemed

[lost gale]

ah didn't notice the on enemies node

[tacit plinth]

Kain responding about corrupted form

Found it

Never worked for me so idk about that

[lost gale]

what I've read is that the bottom left passive in the lich passive tree doesn't work, nor does the low-life %inc damage node in reaper form work and nor do idols which require you to be low-life

but I haven't really tested it, didn't much care for the lich rework

been playing necro and warlock

[quiet seal]

Looks interesting! I'm saving a bit of gear to try this out later. Perhaps you could convince @sly forge to try it offline

[tacit plinth]

The tooltip works normally but at full health it never updates without the node it does so for me its still bugged would had to strip everything and try it again

[lost gale]

I was hoping for the T-Rex to be a good carrier when I'm on manual sacrifice, bone curse and skelly warriors (bone armor)

[noble flame]

It's so hard to target a specific minion when they're all in melee. Just so many and the wraiths are quite large too

[lost gale]

T-rex is easier than most

[noble flame]

Manual sacrifice might be good. I'm not sure about how to solve for mana. With Abom it targets skellies, so it's always sustained.

[lost gale]

well if you go skelly archers they're easier to target

specters will run off to melee

archers will be bunched up around you

the specters seem to last a fair while with their new stats & summon limit, don't need to be saccing 24/7

[quiet seal]

@noble flame is the guile/apathy for the defensive bonuses from the amulet? Or something else?

it's a shame you can;t use Blossom of Immortal Stone

[noble flame]

They are just chosen because they have no real negative impact and I can get those +attributes on the amulet

[quiet seal]

ah okay, I'm guessing it comes already corrupted?

[noble flame]

Yep, comes corrupted. I think it always has two corrupted prefixes.

[quiet seal]

I was working my way through 300c and decided to corrupt my gear, 4 pieces bricked and one was nihilis with really nice rolls. I was pretty gutted and just gave up on the build lol

[lost gale]

there are a couple of 2pc sets including a ring you could use. Pyrolith, Chitin of the Weaver and Ferebor

if you want more general advice then using the witchfire relic for % curse damage is okay I guess but witchfire without Grimhilde 5/5 and heavy investment into those scalars is worthless & you don't have ignite overload to trigger it anyway

[raw surge]

just threw on the relic for the curse damage/ health and it happened to roll int in the nemesis, but also specd into the stuff to trigger base witchfire for the lil damage boost.

Ive been trying to craft a mace with sinthias, tried one recently, got mad, threw it on the ground, corrupted it, and it gave me this

couldve been alot better, but its better than the base set mace, armor shred is nice, also the fire damage for my new witchfire

[lost gale]

the flat curse damage is bugged unfortunately

doesn't work

[raw surge]

stop 😭

i see that now in the tooltips, that righteously sucks

guess shell get stashed away incase they fix it

[quiet seal]

I wish they would fix 'Graveyard Prison Weaver Tree node is not working'

[raw surge]

you know, i stack all this curse damage and idek where all my damage is coming from

Im pretty sure its mostly the amount of stacks of damn i apply with my fissure, which is completely counterintuitive for the most part with the items i have

[sly forge]

I tried blood wraith already

pure bleed focus

S tier build

[quiet seal]

Oh nice, did you make a planner?

[sly forge]

Do you want 4 t7 planner?

[quiet seal]

ah, okay, well hmmmm, I guess to see your thoughts on items/passives, yes please

[sly forge]

ah ok

let me search in this discord

I left the link in here

[quiet seal]

oh right, I'll look, np np

[sly forge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3ZbK3l0

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (38) / Necromancer (63) / Lich (12)

General:

▸ Health: 4,829, Regen: 59.4/s
▸ Mana: 480.51, Regen: 21.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 184%, Regen: 114/s
▸ Attributes: 92 Str / 19 Dex / 92 Int / 13 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 178% / 84% / 241% / 215%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 294%, Threshold: 966
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,941)
▸ Block Chance: 66%, Mitigation: 43% (1,490)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Sacrifice

[sly forge]

I pushed three bleed-related affixes into the build :)))

[quiet seal]

oh thanks mmiinnhh , appreciate you finding it again

[sly forge]

so its dmg is only 9 more second uberroth than abom

the bleed affixes in the armor and helmet is important

use them instead of vitality

the priority is bleed pen>bleed duration>bleed chance

[quiet seal]

okay

[sly forge]

since the bleed chance is a lot already so they wont scale greatly if you get more

but you don't have much bleed duration and bleed pen yet

use momentum ring instead of red ring because momentum ring gives vitality

and last step of living is for low life

[quiet seal]

Did you experiment with Siphon of the Living ring at all?

[sly forge]

tbh this build cannot survive without low life

[sly forge]

what is that ring?

[quiet seal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsEYHZKA

Doom

[sly forge]

huh why do we need that ring?

I dont see this build using any melee attack

to leech

and this is not a player damaging build

[quiet seal]

Someone was kindly helping me earlier too with possible build gear setups for bleed, and they explained it applies a 4% phy damage taken debuff

so when you wraiths hit the mob, they get the benefit og the debuff

[sly forge]

it's melee dmg taken

we use bleed dmg which is not melee right?

doom is melee dmg taken

regardless type

but bleed is alignment, not melee

[quiet seal]

hmm

[lost gale]

bleed pen is stronger than duration even with AoD?

[quiet seal]

perhaps I misunderstood

[sly forge]

I guess so, since we don't have bleed pen in this build

[lost gale]

what build was scaling crit and melee damage mostly

[sly forge]

so their scaling will be better

[lost gale]

yeah but bleed pen is additive with the -res from AoD

[sly forge]

oh yeah, forgot that

[quiet seal]

ahhh right, tyty, I see

And that was heavy focused on life regen rather than low life as well right?

[sly forge]

but let me see, I still prioritize bleed pen and bleed duration first

since wraiths have a lot of bleed chance already right?

[quiet seal]

hmm 🤔

[lost gale]

yeah I was asking about pen vs duration not chance

[sly forge]

@quiet seal to show how strong bleed wraith is, then first, we have a 27 sec abomination here

.

[calm dome]

Does every Wraithlord build use the twin spirits node?

[sly forge]

then we have blood wraith here

[sly forge]

.

27 and 36 sec

so bleed wraith is very strong

[lost gale]

yes, wraithlord will spend way more time summoning wraiths without it

[sly forge]

but they are a bit hard to gear

compared to abom

[quiet seal]

ahh, thanks for the link to the post, I will look through it!

[sly forge]

since you need the bleed-related affixes on helm and armor

all are max t7

so what matters are how far their kill times are

which is a fair comparison

[quiet seal]

Really I'm just looking for a necromancer build that can handle the density of high corruption omen windows. I had a cold mage crit build at 300 but as soon as you got a huge spawn of mobs, they just got overwhelmed and the dps was split too much

[sly forge]

I think both abom and blood wraith can handle omen

[lost gale]

Did you test bone curse instead of abomination? 50% more phys damage for minions vs automated sacrifice

[sly forge]

blood wraith can do better

since mor minion to split and kill

[lost gale]

blood wraiths are single target though

[sly forge]

bad qol without abom

but still

I need more people to report bug

that damn abomination self-sacrifice bug

it makes the build unenjoyable

[lost gale]

yes, though at least it's a very easy build to resummon abom on, you only need to use your max skellies and it's all fine

unlike playing actual abom with skill swaps, maybe respecs of infernal shade & bone curse etc

[raw surge]

this... seems like alot of ward decay?

If i corrupt 20 tiny idols thats like ~800 ward decay

obviously not ideal for actually using the idols, unless your stacking one of the same effect, but still

[lost gale]

ward decay threshold isn't the strongest stat really

[raw surge]

i mean yeah its definitly mostly per second ward and retention, but it still helps out overall, not that im gonna use it or anything

I would be curious to see what level of ward I can sustain with it

[sly forge]

I "REALLY LIKE" how EHG makes such an altar design and then limits it to have only 2 weaver idols

[raw surge]

true, so youd only be able to use the lesser of the small idols

[sly forge]

I mean just look at the refracted slots