💀┃acolyte

[crude vault]

20+ aberroth, 0 nihilis :(

[buoyant robin]

how can this bugged exist without any acknownledge from them 😄

[abstract summit]

like 0 drops or 0 okay ones

[obtuse quest]

you'll be surprised.

[pearl snow]

oh they no about it for sure

[crude vault]

0 drop

[abstract summit]

that's giga unlucky lol

[willow verge]

when i get access to weaver faction?

[pearl snow]

30 lp ring but it rolled T6 minion taversal. PLEASE TURN OUT GOOD

[pearl snow]

sometime in regular monos. I think you get access after the first 6?

[obtuse quest]

Or beat a cemetery echo

[pearl snow]

oh right

[buoyant robin]

also, i firsted start poison rogue, then move to blood wrath, blood wrath is 200% more dps then rogue lol

idk why rogue got the hidden stat like deal 30% less dmg

[obtuse quest]

Lots of minions have stats like that

[crude vault]

why we need needles?: (

[pearl snow]

CR pushing basically

[crude vault]

nah, with cap of gaze

u cant spend all

[pearl snow]

oof

my c haracter is doomed to always not have T5s on rings because of my decisions lmao

[weak atlas]

And chaos bolts?

[pearl snow]

YOu can use Chaos bolts for Witchfire. Is there a build that casts CB though for its main dmg, kinda but not really

[abstract summit]

i mean

flay 😄

[pearl snow]

Lich mana flay "casts" CB but thats not really fire

[abstract summit]

fairly sure you could make a fire version with AoD and ash wake just more hassle for little bit less than infinity damage

[pearl snow]

a bit less is an understatement no? theres like 0 Fire dmg amps on the passive tree

[abstract summit]

it's really just pen

the only real difference is somewhat less flat cause you will be slamming melee fire on weapons instead of shared necro

but you will have more pen on it

mana and crit are the other scalers, those are universal

technically the "necro" flay is also like 80% necro 20% fire

[turbid kayak]

anyone got a starter Mana lich guide? i only see maxroll with thier insane bullshit gear

[pearl snow]

I guess you save like what 15 passives not taking necrotic stuff lol

[pearl snow]

its not a starter build really

can you play it without giga gear sure but you still need like 800 mana or something to be not shit

[turbid kayak]

whats a good starter build im like level 70 and dunno what to do

have have 1mill gold MG

[abstract summit]

ye im also a "flay lich" currently running exploding zombos and pyre golem and crit skelly mages XD

[pearl snow]

YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER

[abstract summit]

WELL TECHNICALLY

my first ever build in 0.9 was necro mkay? 😄

[turbid kayak]

whats an easier class

to gear and farm with

[pearl snow]

Minions? no Minions? Do you wanna flay eventually? Fair warning that gear should be expensive forever

[turbid kayak]

no minions

[summer breach]

(you can) but i wouldnt play mana flay unless u are trade faction ngl xdd

[turbid kayak]

im trade faction atm

[abstract summit]

if you dead set on flaying start harvest flay and see if you like the playstyle

[turbid kayak]

but not much gold

[pearl snow]

I duno the market can he even get starting gear for 1mil?

[abstract summit]

you need like 3 LP1 uniques and 3 exalts with t6 mana rolls

[obtuse quest]

For what? Mana Flay? No way

[pearl snow]

Yeah I was gunna say maybe Harvest Flay variety could work early, But also Witchfire Warlock should be dirt cheap and its a great mono farmer

[turbid kayak]

alright thx all gonna continue my runemaster

[summer breach]

2 mil or so would get u a decent start

u would just lack idols

[pearl snow]

@turbid kayak ^ there is a rough goal then

[abstract summit]

harvest flay is actually quite good in monos, i think it can go even 800-1000, you just not gonna uber on it

[summer breach]

pretty sure i put 4 mil gold in so far on mine and im at like 1350 mana

[turbid kayak]

hmm

[summer breach]

i do regret

[turbid kayak]

its not good?

[summer breach]

going the more squishy version tho

[turbid kayak]

Whats the tankiest acolyte build atm, but still goodish dmg

[abstract summit]

i found the inclusion of death seal to be a game changer last season, really big QoL

[summer breach]

im using it

still die

[abstract summit]

okay how tho 😄

[summer breach]

albeit its prob during death seal downtime

that i die

[obtuse quest]

Well, tbf, death seal doesn't stop dots as well

[turbid kayak]

is abom necro more tanky than this?

lich stuff

[pearl snow]

Mana Flay with gear is nuts for tank
Abom Necro helps because you can just run around shit

[crude vault]

ok, 28 aberroth, 0 nihilis

ty random

[pearl snow]

HUH

[abstract summit]

for dots you have infinity amount of leech and heal you just need an oh shit button

[turbid kayak]

are the warlock builds tankier than lich builds

[crude vault]

tbh mine amu looks better than 0lp nihilis

[pearl snow]

prob not

Aco is always not tanky

we can play like dodge and stuff now but

[turbid kayak]

i see

[pearl snow]

we always kinda gunna die eventually

[summer breach]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1uhzf0gk#3

maybe this

[abstract summit]

tbf you can get nigh on invincible on flay lich if you drop damage and full commit to max HP and corrupted form

not my jam but ppl doing it last season had good experience

[echo coral]

Any melee builds similar to flay lich? I’m liking the speed but falling out of lich form anytime you aren’t moving for 2 seconds is annoying

[pearl snow]

Acos only melee builds are flay variations

[echo coral]

I mean. Any class/skill

[willow verge]

lets see if i can survive more now

[pearl snow]

nice rolls too

[abstract summit]

vaal or no baals 😄

LMAO i forgot i entered my shade echo and i wa just typing away

look back 5 minutes later, completed 😄

[summer breach]

i forgot that mod exists

[turbid kayak]

what build?

[abstract summit]

minions but im at low corr prob just got lucky

[summer breach]

maybe a rogue build of some sorts you might like more

[dense palm]

Do you guys have any tips for farming the %increased cast speed when cursed idols?

[pearl snow]

get lucky and do prophecies and lots of mobs. I think its just a generic mod so you dont need to do weaver stuff

[dense palm]

Ic ic, I'll try getting prophecies for it then, thank you

[obtuse quest]

If you want speed, only rogue can cover that.

[buoyant robin]

what happen if we push penetrate over 100%?

[obtuse quest]

You pen into the negatives.

Just like how res can go to negatives.

[buoyant robin]

i have like 100 int so aura decay -100% to res, plus 15% from tree

is it too much?

[obtuse quest]

There's probably no such thing as too much pen unless you're poison.

[buoyant robin]

i'm phys/bleed

[obtuse quest]

Then there's no such thing as too much pen.

[buoyant robin]

what's the diff with pois?

[obtuse quest]

Poison has built in 150% pen already.

[sly forge]

because the abom sacrifice bug still exists

but now instead triggering every 15 sec in season 3 it triggers every 30 min

[buoyant robin]

can we report this somewhere 😄

[sly forge]

press f8

so did you enjoy it?

[buoyant robin]

i see my abo die occasionally

like sometimes go into map

finish echo

in middle of combat

lol

not every 30min

[sly forge]

hmm for me the fastest period between the bug is 30 minute

but the frequency is way less than season 3

but still it needs to be reported

also you focus on blood spectre right?

[buoyant robin]

yup

[sly forge]

they are nice

but one problem

they need good affixes to deal good damage

[willow verge]

@pearl snow why are we using moenia shield? int and mana?

[buoyant robin]

which one

[sly forge]

that includes minion bleed chance, minion bleed duration and minion bleed pen

[willow verge]

a base shield could be better, no?

[sly forge]

found in armor and helm

so one of them must be corrupted

[pearl snow]

yes plus ward on block based off our mana

technically you can use whatever

[buoyant robin]

corrupted?

[sly forge]

all of them are prefixes

you can have at most 2 prefixes

so one of them must be corrupted

the build scales insanely with good prefixes

that's the problem

[buoyant robin]

i have 22% pen on weapon and 30% on glove 😄

[sly forge]

minion pen?

[buoyant robin]

yup

[sly forge]

oh yeah

I forgot we can have the unique gloves

currently I'm using exalted gloves

let's see which affix to remove

[buoyant robin]

also on body armor shared bleed chance is better with the glove? as ~90% of our bleed chance goes to them

[sly forge]

t7 body armor affix has 128% bleed chance

[buoyant robin]

yup

[sly forge]

also for armor I recall there is one that increases minion bleed chance and duration

[willow verge]

ill make some test using catalysts insteade of shields. at least for leveling at lower empowered

[pearl snow]

yep something like that is valid too

Also that one Tolmat Unique catalyst that gives you an extra minion and + skills aint bad either. I think one of those minions is good at igniting

[strange kiln]

level 47, running profane oblation build, but already have the itch to switch to abom

oblation just tickles if you arent running mana stacking

[sly forge]

@buoyant robin Doublet of Onos Tull

this one

[crude vault]

why +1

[summer breach]

at least can reroll it eventually

[crude vault]

how?

[summer breach]

woven echo forgot the name

but need an equal lp one or legendary one

so would need another and usually throw it in nemesis and hope it gets 2 random mods

and then u can be used as material to reroll that one

[buoyant robin]

ya im using it with 2 LP and want to push it to 3 LP

I already have 52% pen and 800% blood chance, I wonder if I push it to 100% pen or add another 240% bleed chance

I also have -100% enemy phys res with aura decay too

[sly forge]

where do you get added 240% bleed chance?

[buoyant robin]

shared bleed chance t7, with 100% glove

[edgy yew]

@pearl snow I got ash wake on a lucky draw here and your guide says to swap the tree to aura of decay, do you have a tree somwhere or should I just vibe on it

[weak atlas]

Which is better? I’m playing chaos bolt - spirit plague - chthonic fissure build atm (lvl 37) - so plenty of fire w chaos bolt spam..

[sly forge]

@buoyant robin Hmm, the sources of bleed chance at best I'm aware of is: 128% armor affix, 100% on armor, 85% helm affix, 56% on lich passive

Idk where did the 800% number comes from

[buoyant robin]

You dont count from harvest, aura of decay?

[edgy yew]

mm. I have to get 10 points on lich to get AOD tho

will need to find out how to change this

[sly forge]

bleed chance from minions

oh wait

so infectous bone node works on minion bleed too?

hmm but that node is trouble some

first, it has "absence of life" which is bad for low life build

second, minions are poisoned every sec

and finally, not enough space for harvest

[willow verge]

starting to feel the power! haha. Im strugling a bit with mana managemant. think the ideal spot is around 15 mana regen

[pearl snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxwpnZw should have the skill ttree

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (25) / Warlock (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,735, Regen: 44.2/s
▸ Mana: 222.15, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 186%, Regen: 331/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 61 Int / 4 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 191% / 85% / 85% / 89% / 81% / 485% / 88%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 761
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,755)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Profane Veil

[pearl snow]

If you feel like AoD is taking away from your ward or life too heavily then drop the points in Rot Weaver to max out Inoculation

[buoyant robin]

what is 5 skill you use? mine aura of decay, abo, ske, harvest, dread shade

on skill bar only add transplant for movement instead of harvest

[sly forge]

where is sac?

@buoyant robin what is your aod spec?

do you spec "infectous bone"?

if yes do you go for low life?

[willow verge]

@pearl snow uhkeiros relic instead of weaver relic. what do u think

[pearl snow]

another solid option. Less rng

[pearl snow]

Vessel of Strife also works

[willow verge]

yeah. good options. and strife give us mana.

have to test.

cooking some ideas...

[turbid kayak]

what's the easiest beignner build for empowere dmonoliths that doesn't require lp1 or greater

[pearl snow]

Witchfire probably since i think you said youdidnt like minionse earlier

[obtuse quest]

If your plan is just to hit base empowered, yeah lp-less witchfire can do it

[balmy fractal]

just finished campaign, what is an easy to build build to transition to?

[turbid kayak]

up to what corruption?

[echo coral]

double T7, open affix and T1...thats got a lot of potential

[turbid kayak]

im currently a lightning blast rm and its just too bad dmg w/out lp1 all items i wanna just farm a bit on a lp0 character mage aint it

maybe Abom Necro?

[obtuse quest]

Probably can do 300 safely.

Past that bosses will give you trouble, but clear should still be fine

[turbid kayak]

witchfire warlock?

[obtuse quest]

ye

[turbid kayak]

how about abom necro for a starter, how high can that get without insane gear

[obtuse quest]

Not too sure, but likely better than witchfire becaause that's a whole ass ultra meta build

[inner cobalt]

Reave Lich? Tons of autocast chain options, just remember to stack mana/regen/spell necrotic

A few specific uniques take it far in late game.

[inner cobalt]

Abom could go to 500+ without insane rolls last season iirc

Debating farming into a golemmancer for this season myself, starting late for travel reasons

[abstract summit]

i kind of like tithe + reliquary but i need those for flay anyway so might be biased lol

[pearl snow]

I like that for crit or Necrotic DoT less so for ignite

quite starved for points

Bone Wand go brrr

[abstract summit]

ye i do feel that tbh, only with double phantoms + nihil

[pearl snow]

im also opting for no phantoms tho lmao

[abstract summit]

aware 😄 i think they are just neat

[pearl snow]

true

[abstract summit]

now if i could find one which is not minrolled

[pearl snow]

lmao ikr

everyone ive seen is +1 minion and mid mana rolls

[turbid kayak]

Should i go low life ward or HP

[abstract summit]

just hit "maxed affixes" corruption

easy

[pearl snow]

TRUE

[sly forge]

@buoyant robin Also, doesn't harvest does not give any minion bleed?

I still don't know where to get the 800% number here

[buoyant robin]

Its sacrify, not harvest my bad

[arctic grotto]

I could hit 1000c comfortably with 1 lps, cleaver solution then strength stacking, get +4 abom in ur relic tho then the rest is t7 str

[buoyant robin]

No i go stack attribute rege

[sly forge]

@buoyant robin I only count global minion bleed chance

[edgy yew]

I noticed you changed some stuff out of the other skills too, like taking the mantle of flames from fissure and etc, I am assuming that all the skills have changes to acommodate the new ignite stuff from the boots?

[sly forge]

@buoyant robin hmm but let's see

[buoyant robin]

Aura of decay is huge if you stack attribute

[sly forge]

do you have less sustain if take the node for minion bleed in aod?

since it provides health

[turbid kayak]

oh thats the suepr expensive rolls

[sly forge]

while we need low life

[buoyant robin]

Only issues is if you change it to bleed, you have to stack phys res

My aod minus 100% phys res to enemy plus mine

[pearl snow]

yeah I think I made some changes to emphasize the whole lean into Fire more part. The other skills dont need to be changed though in reality

[sly forge]

I know aod has huge pen, I mean do you take the "infectous bone" node?

[arctic grotto]

Really? There is a guaranteed affix transfer with Julra so getting 1 t7 to ur unique is easy and a realistic goal

[buoyant robin]

Can i see your build? Consider you saying its so cheap

[turbid kayak]

I only ave like 800k gold atm ill se eagain the prices

[buoyant robin]

Of course

[arctic grotto]

Still at work, will post it ASAP, take note that this Abom is last patch tho and it got nerf this season

[buoyant robin]

But survival is not an issue for my minion

[sly forge]

ah ok

damn I forgot that node

[buoyant robin]

Ya one of the few % more of the build

[sly forge]

hmm now for minion

[buoyant robin]

I just think back about rogue skeleton, have twice as much %more, but deal less dmg lol

[sly forge]

how many bleed that minion received by having the "plague bearer" node?

3?

[buoyant robin]

Around 6 at most i think

[sly forge]

ok that's easy if I stack minion health

[buoyant robin]

Cause nornally the wrath die fast without target to attack

I only check in abo

[sly forge]

but the bleed uses your stats right?

minion is doomed if they use minion stats

[buoyant robin]

Yup

[sly forge]

let's see

I have 24 skill points

needs to sacrifice 1 vulnerability node and 2 respite node

[edgy yew]

just noticed that theres a propane form node on the profane veil skill

[sly forge]

finally is the "absence of life" node

@buoyant robin that node is harmful for low life

[buoyant robin]

mine only 20

not having any +skill xD

[sly forge]

and I believe abom sac needs you to go low life

[sly forge]

I'm offline gear so I can just use mod for maximal skills. Too lazy to go online without knowing how strong a build is

the maximal is 1 from cleaver, 2 from nihillis and 1 from corrupted amulet affix

[buoyant robin]

I use blood curse amulet, 13 to all stat is pretry huge for me

[sly forge]

wait

you mean deceptify bone curse?

[buoyant robin]

Yup

But i dont use bone curse

No slot on skill bar

Sadge

[sly forge]

hmm you could replace dread shade with bone curse

on skill bar

[buoyant robin]

But only my abo doesnt get the damn bug

Make him devour/sacrified himself

[inner cobalt]

Life, and Mantle of the Pale Ox for your abom to tank for you

[sly forge]

wdym?

[buoyant robin]

So dread can perma stay

[buoyant robin]

He sometimes consume himself

So you have to summon him again

Very often lol

Only summon him with 8 skeleton during combat

[turbid kayak]

how vital is it i do the infernal shade swap

swap its skills and despec for bone curse and put those skills back in that

[sly forge]

wait mine is not that often

@buoyant robin but what goes wrong if you replace dread with bone curse?

I mean on skill bar?

[buoyant robin]

Less dmg, cause dread have lots of buff i think

[turbid kayak]

for the HP verfsion of Abom how do i regen HP? potion?

[sly forge]

huh dread does not vanish if you replace it on skill bar?

[buoyant robin]

You have to manual swap between skill?

[sly forge]

I mean you just cast dread on abom

and switch with bone curse?

for the rest of your time?

[turbid kayak]

my hp is barely going up due to plague aura afte teleporting

[buoyant robin]

Ya but it clunky and im lazy

[turbid kayak]

this is rough

[sly forge]

why clunky?

[buoyant robin]

If only abo doesnt have bug

[sly forge]

you literally just cast one single dread at abom in the beginning

[buoyant robin]

I have to resummon him a lot and

Put dread on him

[sly forge]

bruh every 8 secs?

I don't have that problem

maybe you are unlucky

[turbid kayak]

I'm messing up somewhere on thsi build

[buoyant robin]

Lol

[sly forge]

since the bug appears very sparsely for me

[turbid kayak]

dunno how to get HP back

[sly forge]

the bug exists but it does not appear like every 8 sec for me

so I can accept it

[arctic grotto]

Aboms hp will degenerate if ur max skeleton capacity changes after u have summoned him, careful with the item and skill snapshotting

[abstract summit]

holy ascension

[sly forge]

@wintry flame ok last abom offline kill was accident

I forgot the infectous bone node

also forgot that you just have to put dread shade on abom then replace it with bone curse for the rest of the fight

[turbid kayak]

i have mantle, cleaver, and shield. still feels very squishy and i have no idea how to return my HP outside of a potion. this is the easiest Acolyte build?

hmm...maybe im more of a poe2 guy then lol

[sly forge]

you can still make enemies receive 10% more dot dmg without needing to spec bone curse

[turbid kayak]

just diong normal monos 70

[sly forge]

now I guess sub 40 sec abom kill?

with offline maxed gear?

[turbid kayak]

i can't use teleport 😄 costs too much HP

i need to watch a video on this spec or soemthing

or just give up and go paladin/falconer

[crude vault]

how to create +str +minion crit helmet?

[abstract summit]

wait si this double corrupted?? maxroll+affix

[turbid kayak]

how do i regen HP on HP Abom build

should i not run plague aura on this build

[arctic grotto]

I just go hp to ward build, and get idols that convert potion hp to ward hp

Necro base hp is laughably low

[turbid kayak]

oh ok

ill do low HP but i dunno its so expensive

and this is supposed to be Acos easiest buid? hmmm....

[arctic grotto]

Yup, have to get ridiculously lucky having ur second affix as t7 hp, hybrid hp

[turbid kayak]

im gonna maybe just pass on this game then

[obtuse quest]

You don't need to care about offense since abom does it all, you just need to not take hits.

[turbid kayak]

yeah but im solely relying on potions like im a lvl 3 in another game

feels crap

[abstract summit]

literally what's wrong with ward

[turbid kayak]

can't afford

500k just for t6 crappy one

[arctic grotto]

Lol, single t7s and 1 lp unis drop like rain in CoF

[turbid kayak]

oh im MG

feel stuck

[abstract summit]

i mean you also have runes of havocs and redemptions 😄

[turbid kayak]

i actually have non oe fthos eatm

im lvl 67

[arctic grotto]

No wonder, cant get rich in MG if u dont have good stuff for sale

[turbid kayak]

having rough time

yeah i couldnt play for a bit

so im real bhind now

seeing if i can salvage this somehow and continue the season

or just go play something else

[abstract summit]

dude at level 67 you just pick up whatever from the ground

[turbid kayak]

lol

but i still die real fast its weird

[abstract summit]

okay i will ask the question i always ask first when people have such compplaints

what's your armor at

[turbid kayak]

44%

[abstract summit]

and like 2k HP?

[turbid kayak]

1.5k

problem is no way to get HP back atm

i can't even afford to teleport

[abstract summit]

golems and/or zombies which carried me through that patch dunno if you can fit them tho

this is kinda pog

[turbid kayak]

is paladin easier people are saying to do that

[abstract summit]

paladin is braindead easy 😄

[arctic grotto]

Do u even dodge bro? I only started dying regularly at 1k corruption. Abom in front catching all boss and mob hits while Im goofin off and evading at the back. Easiest RPG of my life.

[turbid kayak]

does this work while they are absorbed

[turbid kayak]

so i gotta play it like elden ring and not lose any hp? hmm

poe2 feels far easier i play that atm

i'll try out paladin

[abstract summit]

if you want face tank for sure

smite or judgement probably

[turbid kayak]

thanks

[abstract summit]

ngl "LE aco is harder than everything in POE2" is a take tho 😄

[turbid kayak]

well not everything just the class i play in poe2 i guess

having a real rough time in this game, probably due to not playing much while also in MG

[abstract summit]

LETS GOOO DIDNT BRICK 😄

[turbid kayak]

I'll probably give it 1 more day

poe2 market feels like i dont get punished as hard for missing out on a few days

in this i just got ran over

Are you guys swapipng skills specs too? For infernal shade

[obtuse quest]

MG has always been more for people who understand the market properly, if you can’t keep up or are only looking for meta stuff, you will be screwed

Mg is okay for off meta, but even then you need to know how to make money

[turbid kayak]

ill certainly do cof next season im too busy irl

missing 2 days hurt

[turbid kayak]

btw hwo are you dodging stuff in this seasonal Omen bubble, there like 100 mobsd i can't even see anything and insta die sometimes

[abstract summit]

ye jsut dont do it while your defenses are low

they are a bit overtuned

[turbid kayak]

im using face of mountain shield too to stay alive and im still gettin popped

randomly like its highest poe2 map

[obtuse quest]

Generally only the omen boosted one does actual damage.

[abstract summit]

ye but if it has an ingite or poison mob you are fooked

[turbid kayak]

how can i further boost my defenses?

my mage had like 6k ward at this lvl

and felt god tank

also using pale ox 21% and the 6% node in necro

[abstract summit]

90% you are mostly dying to either crits or DOTs

[crude vault]

35 aberroth still 0 nihilis

fml

[abstract summit]

dude no way that's not a filter issue

that would be an unreal streak of bad luck

[crude vault]

its ok for me I guess

like 53 strat run for baron cap

[unreal hill]

what corruption are you on?

[unreal hill]

there's quite a few defensive layers, but I find a lot of the good ones are build dependent.

[abstract summit]

"min roll IMPLICIT"s my ass 😭

[boreal rampart]

am I correct in assuming that having +2 cold spells would not give my skeletal mage converted to cold a +2 skill bonus? I see that it says the "minion" tag is cold but there is no cold tag on the skill itself

[calm dome]

You are correct, yes

[brazen steppe]

Minions only benefit from "+# to minion (any type) damage"

If your minion does melee then it will get 0 benefit from minion spell or reversed

[dawn plinth]

yooo I found the ladle

[abstract summit]

hooollyyy

now have fun searching for two weeks for the best slam XD

[dawn plinth]

yeah I might just settle for some combo of crit multi/cast speed 7 and pray I dont get rolled

[sly forge]

@wintry flame

abom>crit HS>bleed spectre>flame wraith

that's my ranking now

[shadow valley]

woah that's a tanky boi gurl

[sly forge]

maxed gear

[shadow valley]

when you say maxxed do you mean 4lp uniques, or 3lp?

[sly forge]

just to test how strong the build can be with maxed gear

4t7 uniques

and corruption

[shadow valley]

hmm

[sly forge]

abom 29 sec

hs 32 sec

this one 36 sec

with maxed gear and perfect corruption

I just experiment since lazy to try a build without knowing how good it is

[shadow valley]

is there no issue of power curve not being steady across various levels of gear?

as in, relative position of 2 builds with maxxed gear being different than 'just' with 2lpt7

[abstract summit]

so now that you know all of them are good, which will you actually play? 😄

[sly forge]

all?

ah you mean online?

abom of course

nothing can bypass abom

[abstract summit]

fair

[quiet seal]

Pretty impressive HS got a kill so fast

thanks for reporting!

[sly forge]

since actually playing online requires dedicated time

so I just choose abom

[sly forge]

warning: maxed 4 t7 gears

this one only gives an an estimate

since I'm lazy to try online gear

but with max 4 t7 gears abom gets 29 sec so not too far behind

[quiet seal]

that's cool though - good to see those builds up there with abom tbh

[sly forge]

that's the point I'm trying to say

there is one problem with sacrifice abom now

please fix the sacrifice bug EHG !!!!!

[abstract summit]

good one, EHG and fixing bugs

[obtuse quest]

The fact that there's now a build that CAN match up with abom is pretty wild

[abstract summit]

minion

fairly sure maxed flay can still one phase

that's with offline gear tho actually assembling abo is way easier lol

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, I'm talking about within minion setups

[obtuse quest]

Yeah but no other build even with offline gear could come close

[abstract summit]

tru, they cooked with the changes for sure

[pallid geyser]

okay srsly is hte piggy neck broken?

I cannot get it to drop

level 85 just got this rare neck I cannot get find the piggy neck to make my build work

what is going on

Has any one else got the piggy neck yet

[shadow valley]

ofc

[pallid geyser]

okay sweer jsut makign sure its in the game

LOL

[shadow valley]

nothing odd about it

[pallid geyser]

im going nuts still palying leverling acolyte build

in hard core lvl 85,,,

[sly forge]

this is abom

@obtuse quest

@obtuse quest this is crit HS

they are that close

but problem is

my crit HS mage cannot do omen at 2k corruption

it's not tanky enough for that

[abstract summit]

ye wanted to say the clear of the two is not in the same universe lol

[sly forge]

it must always stay behind the mages to be safe

while omen requires you to stay close to omen and facetank

but tbh

I'm not sure if other builds like shatter strike can do omen at 2k corruption either

[abstract summit]

tbf that metric is somewhat pointless anyway

loot over 1k (800) is super diminishing

and you dont need to do omens to push if that's your jam

[echo coral]

Is Mana Flay the #1 build on lich? How does it compare to Erasing Strike in terms of damage/Tankiness? I see they use a lot of the same items

[abstract summit]

way better damage, conditional tankyness

and yes imo it's the premier lich build atm

[sly forge]

hmm

now I have not tested mana flay in this season yet

it damage should be on par with abom necro I think

since it even has more mana

[abstract summit]

we had 100M on giga glass cannon theoretical gear last league, imo damage is even higher than abo but getting all of those new corrupts is not happening

i think the mid gear level is buffed, the theoretical top end is buffed, the 80-90% juicer level is kinda nerfed with imprints

[sly forge]

hmm

waiting for maxroll to put blood spectre and crit HS on their list

this patch is necro's patch

[arctic grotto]

Got a build planner for this?

[sly forge]

maxed 4 t7 and t7 corruption gear. Do you want to see?

[arctic grotto]

This power seems achievable only last patch

[arctic grotto]

Sure

[sly forge]

ok, please wait for some mins

[arctic grotto]

Thank you, no rush

I know abom is strong but not that strong 😅 I feel the skellys being unsummoned instead of killed to be resurrected really capped the dmg potential of dual strike

[sly forge]

@arctic grotto https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VXWJRG

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (38) / Necromancer (63) / Lich (12)

General:

▸ Health: 4,829, Regen: 59.4/s
▸ Mana: 480.51, Regen: 21.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 184%, Regen: 114/s
▸ Attributes: 92 Str / 13 Dex / 92 Int / 13 Att / 131 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 178% / 84% / 241% / 215%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 294%, Threshold: 966
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,801)
▸ Block Chance: 66%, Mitigation: 43% (1,490)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Sacrifice

[sly forge]

well for abom I also stack the same number of endurance too

so the comparison for killing time is fair

[zinc cove]

is there a good cheap acolyte build that plays smooth?

not like abom clunky or xplode zombie

[sly forge]

abom is one of the easiest and laziest build

[zinc cove]

dont u have to wait for him to run around killing stuff

or does he get enough aoe/speed

[sly forge]

it should got decent aoe

[shadow valley]

one shotting everything is quite fast, just not the fastest

[sly forge]

if smoother then mana flay lich

[zinc cove]

what build can i follow? im only lvl 70

iim currently using whip warlock

[shadow valley]

set filter up for flay lich items, once you get the baseline (~500ish mana) swap

whip should be fine until then

oh gee that crystal ball didn't set omen to lvl 2, it added 2. Now I have omen lvl 4.....let's see how bad it ls

[zinc cove]

so wait is abom or flay lich better u think

[shadow valley]

both amazing, but flay is the smoothie zoom zoom build

abom you could start away tho

but the gearing is wildly different too, so just choose one

[zinc cove]

ah i shuld look at gmaeplay then

is flay lich tanky at all?

i jsut dont wanna die ahaha

just wonna be sorta quick and maybe do all content for once

[shadow valley]

might be wrong on that, but IIRC flay takes a bit of gear to be tanky. abom is way more forgiving, but 1. you're playing minion build 2. it's only fast, not super blink blink blink fast

so if you want easy time without worries, gl hf with abom

[zinc cove]

cool maybe i start putting stuff aside for abom

do youy have a recommended guide to follow?

[shadow valley]

and although I did both of these builds, Im still a newb so quite possible im wrong on that btw

[arctic grotto]

Wow, I never considered minion damage over time abom is this powerful, I wonder how can I replicate this build just 1 lp unis

[shadow valley]

uhh yeah the maxroll guides for those should be just right

[shadow valley]

hs mages work well enough with no gear

[arctic grotto]

Got a build planner for this as well? Im worried about the mages being squishy

[shadow valley]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyNbZ7

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[shadow valley]

fire dot version, you can also go necrotic crit with archmage, but this I havent played

I did play non-archmage necrotic crit and swapped to fire for more clear

(it worked well)

mages do die sometimes, but not more often than every 4 sec. Which is important to me, as I don't have the minion teleport rings, I have grave passage with cavalry setup (I have points for that, because 2x phantom grip). That means I can summon a skele mage only every 4.5 sec

I'm only at 300c tho

[arctic grotto]

Now this is a more achievable build to grind for, thank you very much. I didnt know that red swine amulet is that powerful. I prefer the green one for more crit chance when hit.

[shadow valley]

decrep gives us 15% dot dmg

so yeah for crit version it would be rattle

[sly forge]

I think you need at least 2 lp on armors and helmet

I think you need bleed duration and bleed pen

since you have sufficient bleed chance already

for the others just stack strength and might be endurance if possible

but you need 2 affixes on armor and helm

they are the major source of damage

[arctic grotto]

no problems with the damage for this build yes but the survivability is not great to push for higher corr

[sly forge]

you also need onos tull and maybe blood roost

for me my dmg is high enough so I use eternal gauntlet for sustain

also stack vitality

boots, idols and the two momentum rings

brewmaster belt too

[arctic grotto]

Im surprised crab rings are used. I prefer red rings even at 1 lp.

[sly forge]

because momentum ring gives vitality

well this build is stronger than rip blood warlock at uber killing time as far as I'm aware (with maxed gear)

flame whip needs 56 secs

rip blood requires about 48 sec

have not tried zombie

[obtuse quest]

Yeah but one doesn't need crit when playing DoT

[arctic grotto]

Yeah, its tough investment for minion crit as necro now since Dread Shade doesnt give automatic crit to all minion hit and skills now

[sly forge]

0.03

has the abom sacrifice bug frequence increased after the hotfixes?

[inner cobalt]

Also why I don't intend to go Shades this league

[brazen steppe]

blood, frost mono end boss is bugged? i did 4 times i get amulet (50% chance) but boot didnt drop (50% chance same)

[ashen bluff]

vitality givin your minions like 1.2% necro pen and 1% more dot per point while giving you ward gen, threshold and regen is my fav thing

[ashen bluff]

ask again when youve done 400

losing 50/50 x4 is not statistically significant

[willow verge]

Lol. What node?

[brazen steppe]

Well it is, the odds of happening is very low, actually did 6 runs so far none of them dropped so its probably wrong % chance to drop displayed where i checked

[obtuse quest]

You'll be surprised.

Have you lost 10 coin flips in a row?

[brazen steppe]

It can happen but it wont cuz its so low chance

[night hemlock]

If things don't work together it normally explicitly says so

[summer breach]

well thats a hit for mana flay for sure

and theres not a hit welp

[lost gale]

Unfortunately destruction engine is far from fixed, in offline it somehow got worse in the patches since 1.4

[willow verge]

a lot of mana. volatile zombies?

[summer breach]

Flay lich

[obtuse quest]

The important part is that it can happen.
You can always become the statical outliner.

[willow verge]

@pearl snow how is the survivability going? thinking in switching to warlock later to stack ward with profane veil and explode de zombies

[summer breach]

I've heard from 2 people that build is buggy

And that it doesn't perform without high end gear or so

[willow verge]

its a good build. For sure it needs the gears. But not so diffcult to get.

kind wanna try with fire AoD.

[shadow valley]

w/e I'm playing the grass is always greener on the other side of the abyss

[stone sedge]

Is anyone playing Flame Whip? How are you dealing with the lack of resistances? I'm taking more damage from lightning than I have in Ward, so I find it really difficult to stay alive

[summer breach]

The main problem I've heard is that it's too squishy

And since u have to be up close for boot aura it also doesn't help

Or well u don't have to be but...

[crude vault]

any tips how to become tanky?

3.1k hp, 1.7k mana

feels squishy at 700+

[willow verge]

with necro. yes. Warlock u can get lots of wards withy profane veil

[ashen bluff]

which one
barbute + lich / lock nodes grant you the defensive scalin
near end of necro theres minion pen per res and more dmg per vita

[paper perch]

should i get all the blessings from normal monolith?

or just skip to empowered

[candid bough]

skip for sure

[obtuse quest]

Empowered if you can, lowest roll empowered is max roll normal.

[round stag]

anyone got an early mono worthy loot filter for a death blossom necro?

[lost gale]

If only there were a way to make dread shade hop to other minions on minion death like there is for infernal shade

[round stag]

sounds like you need more minion hp lol

[lost gale]

No i just want to trigger combustion a lot jumping between skeletons and zombies

Dread shade is a big damage and ehp boost but it doesn't play nicely with builds that kill their minions a lot

[round stag]

wasnt meant to be taken seriously

[night hemlock]

How are T8 Corruptions gotten? I assume they are drop only from somewhere

Maybe the pinnacle boss?

[lost gale]

They don't exist afaik, even if they've been datamined

[night hemlock]

Oh

They are on LE Tools

[lost gale]

Some dev said the limit is t7

[night hemlock]

Fair enough

[lost gale]

Im guessing they went up to t8 for future proofing

[night hemlock]

Makes sense

[ember fractal]

I've got a couple...

Questions

I'm playing the necromancer (1st time) and a pet build at that (also 1st time) and I'm trying to wrap my head around one thing: Bone Golem vs Abomination.

1. Am I right that Abomination is objectively stronger across the board compared to Bone Golem or is there anything that Bone Golem does better?
2. Can pets used to create Abomination be resummoned right after or are they "locked" for as long as Abomination lives?
3. Is Abomination permanent like skellies or temporary like wraiths?

Long story short I'm trying to understand why would anyone use Bone Golem over Abomination in majority of Necromancer pet builds.

[shadow valley]

playing abom means going all in into it, you won't have skill points for other summons

nor need for them

golem is nice for a zoo, especially early on

[obtuse quest]

One would use bone golem for fun.

Meta strrength wise, abom bets every necromancer build.

[ember fractal]

What? How so... skill points in skill trees are separate... What?

[shadow valley]

yeah but you'd use skills that play with each other, like dread shade, infernal shade and so on

[ember fractal]

I'm trying to go for Hungering Souls Deathknights from ActionRPG. I do however try to see why Abomination is not used in place of Bone Golem for the same purpose Bone Golem is used.

[shadow valley]

HS is very good

[shadow valley]

golem gives armor, has big threat

[obtuse quest]

Pretty sure that build runs neither seriously, except maybe as bait or support.

[shadow valley]

heals some

[obtuse quest]

Bone Golem is probably used the way the other guy said, aura.

Golem has some aura-like effects.

[shadow valley]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyNbZ7
I'd suggest you go for this instead.
I've started with the same ActionRPG build, then switched. That turned out to be a very good switch

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[ember fractal]

So Abomination does not pull aggro?

That's the difference?

[obtuse quest]

Abom doesn't have the aggro boost golem has.
It also doesn't have these:

Golem can be specced to be a support tank.
Abom's only job is murder, although the type of murder it done can be customized.

[shadow valley]

and then pyre golem helps with clear better than abom, before you get Ash Wake boots (then you'd switch golem for Aura of Decay)

[ember fractal]

Ok, now I see the difference. So Bone Golem is ultimate tank for other pets, while Abom, while stronger 1 to 1, will not protect other minions in any way shape or form, yes?

[shadow valley]

ye

also, abom gets stronger than every other minion, but it does so with investment

[ember fractal]

Thank you, exactly the information I needed 🙂

[obtuse quest]

Prettu much, if you use abom, it's your main murder machine AND your personal tank.

Try to do anything else with it and it just suckssssssssssss

[ember fractal]

Btw. how is this build working for you? I'm low level still, wondering if it's endgame viable (for me endgame is "get desired items with any rolls and kill all the bosses once")?

[shadow valley]

it's amazing

it works right away, slightly better than Aaron's (actionrpg) version, then with every upgrades becoming even tankier and stronger

I swapped from a casual zoo to hungering soul of necrotic right at lvl 60, then at 70 to fire dot version; I had some generic minion items, but none from that build I've linked

it's notable, that all these items are very easy to farm

[tropic vigil]

hi im playing the Volatile Zombie build from maxroll where you consume minions (mostly bone prisons) with Profane Veil to create more Zombies but for some reason Profane Veil only consumes minions every other time I use it ..? whats up with that, did i miss any part of the mechanics?

[solid sonnet]

Do Necromancer builds typically run a source of Haste? If so, what are the most common sources?

[ember fractal]

How many Deathknights are you fielding now, what corruption and are you MG or CoF?

[shadow valley]

yeah theres a skill at the end of necro tree

[obtuse quest]

If the zombies from the previous cast are up, that might make it cap the limit.

[shadow valley]

far right, middle one

it's not always used

[tropic vigil]

no its not that, I can have 0 zombies and still Profane Veil doesnt consume minions (bone prisons or other) literally every other time I use it

[pallid geyser]

VERY dumb questiuon. IO am playing RIP blood in hard core, I cannot kill my self right

[azure tide]

anyone know what this is worth legit cant even search up the roll on market??

[obtuse quest]

Hm, then I'm not too sure what's happening.

[obtuse quest]

AoD can kill yourself, but nothing else on that screen can.

[tropic vigil]

like it works perfectly first time consumes bone prisons and creates zombies, then other time I use it nothing happens, then third time works again, fourth time doesnt.. and so on... veeery strange

[pallid geyser]

@obtuse quest wait so AoD can legit kill me if i activated it right now?

[shadow valley]

first, per Arpg, I went with 7 dk's with the blight staff and trex relic, then I've swapped to fire version with bone wand+shield, and erased aco relic. Less DKs-only 5-but dmg was the same and I've got MUCH more tanky.
325 corruption as of now, CoF

[obtuse quest]

If the self poison can do that much damage, sure.

[pallid geyser]

pepe does it have to removal all my ward shield first?

or na?

[shadow valley]

he's saying the dmg is able to kill you, not that it goes into dangerous numbers

[pallid geyser]

in the case above does it have to go thru the 1800 ward first?

[obtuse quest]

Ailments deal damage to your ward first, unless:

[pallid geyser]

thanks god LOL!

[shadow valley]

at such cases you look up lower roll. This one has only 29 forging potential and low tiers, with DoT increase being a useless stat. I dont play GM, but I'd imagine it's not super precious

[pallid geyser]

@obtuse quest tyty

[obtuse quest]

Good luck and please watch your res numbers while aod is up

[shadow valley]

so pretty much just slam value

[azure tide]

the bottom roll the traversal minion one you cant look up tho like i needed that roll on my boots for my build and it was like 700k just for that roll on my boots but u cant look up that roll on rings

[shadow valley]

oh ok I see, it's a sealed exalted

can't slam it actually

[obtuse quest]

Because that's a champion affix

[azure tide]

damn rip so u cant slam the sealed one

[shadow valley]

yeah so its only value is if you actually wear it

[obtuse quest]

No, you can't slam sealed affxies

[azure tide]

damnnn thought i just found some MOONEY hahah thank u

[pallid geyser]

@obtuse quest good point i guess i jsut fix them while it active hey

[obtuse quest]

AoD being so useful as an support skill now makes me worried for people who can't read

[pallid geyser]

or dont read LOL

[obtuse quest]

Same thing for ARPG players

[pallid geyser]

okay so basically its the physical i need to watch out for hey

since it heavily lowers it

since i swapped form posion to physical

kk makes sense why the build guide has so much phsycial resitance reuqired

@obtuse quest thanks again btwe i stuggle with reading. I know u meant no ill intent but yeah LOL

[obtuse quest]

Accepting that you have an issue is the first step to correcting it-

[pallid geyser]

Mate - you have no idea

[obtuse quest]

It's better than people who wonder why they're dying even if the answer is in their face

[pallid geyser]

Its not getting fixed pepe

but

[obtuse quest]

[pallid geyser]

i have pushed thru it

[ashen bluff]

the difference between arpg newbs and pros is that newbs lack reading comprehension

pros choose not to read and manifest the skills working

[obtuse quest]

Please don't remind me of my past AoD experiences.

[pallid geyser]

Got a masters by thesisi in geochemsitry and have written papers ..... spell check helps A LOT

id be a shovler if it was not for word spell check

[obtuse quest]

[ashen bluff]

we rerollin into a bee stacker? <_<

[vivid valve]

So for hp to ward abomination build , do I need a continues source of hp regen to keep the ward going up?

If so how do I get that

[sly forge]

@quiet seal another report: ballista takes 36-38 uber sec with maxed gear

so blood spectre actually has S tier boss dmg

[obtuse quest]

You need MISSING health.

[vital cave]

Is it me or is Emerging Terrors on the Volatile Zombie buggy - with 3 points (100% chance) it does not seem consistent at all and will occasionally even put the dread shade on ANOTHER minion.

[obtuse quest]

Are you on the dread shade cap?

[sly forge]

@wintry flame fire HS mage after snapshotting idols

equip 5x minion crit omen idols

summon mages

then replace the 5 idols with 5 bee omen idols

[vivid valve]

Oh I get it now. So I'm constantly gonna be getting ward regen while at low hp? Hp regen doesn't matter at all . I was confused how this works thanks.

[sly forge]

now they are EQUAL to abom

[vivid valve]

Is it as tanky ?

[sly forge]

hell no

[vivid valve]

Ahh

[sly forge]

in terms of dmg

also snapshot idol is simple

not as complicated as snapshotting equipments (which mighe undo skills)

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[vivid valve]

So wont exanguinis be better tanks mantle of pale ox for abom or is mantle overall superior

[sly forge]

I use ash wake boot

so I need another source of low life

at least 2 source of low life is needed for sustain

[vivid valve]

I wonder if someone used last step, exang, and a 20% gloves what will happen. Big ward?

[sly forge]

hell no

[vivid valve]

Diminishing returns ?

[sly forge]

last step reduce your dmg

since you need fire aura of decay

reduce A LOT

[vivid valve]

For the hs fire mage build?

[sly forge]

yes

[vivid valve]

I'm probably gonna play classic abom

Just need to farm some more gear

Lvl 72 atm working on fixing defenses

[sly forge]

well I would recommend abom if you play online

I just want to show that there are a lot of good minions other than abom

in case someone is bored of abom and want variety

[lost gale]

I don't really understand how they made balance changes to destruction engine in 1.4 without fixing it.

How could they know that the balance was off, that it needed a buff, when it doesn't really work at all

[noble flame]

It's tragic that it's still broken. I want that passive to work so badly

[lost gale]

The Abomination now devours Minions 25% faster. This also affects the rate it causes Minions to be Sacrificed with Destruction Engine allocated.
great, really nice buff, can't wait to try it out

[noble flame]

Sadly they made Abom despawn minions instead of killing them, so it probably won't be great even if it did work

[lost gale]

that's only the summoning ritual for abom, when abom casts devour it just kills them as usual

I've been playing around with it and skeletons respawn as usual

so do zombies if you use cycle rings (or AoD boots I guess)

[noble flame]

that's good to know. could be useful if it worked then

[lost gale]

I've also been messing around with using wraithlord with ghost maker and zombies to automate infernal shades on melee wraiths

I just realised that unspecialised abomination probably works better than wraithlord (though you'd have to be careful not to make Abom from wraiths or it'll eat them too)

I don't think it'll eat itself without destruction engine

[obtuse quest]

As a standard combo piece: Yes lots of missing hp to ward

[night hemlock]

Zombie Warlock is fun, but man is it clunky XD

[inner cobalt]

As a general rule, I find stacking health and missing health to ward to be by far the best survivability tech on most Acolyte builds - the reave build I'm theorycrafting rn actively doesn't want much hp-to-ward though, but would rather have regen.

[night hemlock]

What would happen is what you would expect to happen.

[night hemlock]

That or regen stacking

But in any case, Ward is almost always the way to go

[inner cobalt]

Thinking of grabbing the passive to lock max ward and HP at 50% of HP cap, then use the weaver ring as ward gain. Need to find a way to fix mana, because the build rn looks like it'll absolutely manastarve itself

[lost gale]

that's very good ward gain for some builds

[marsh slate]

For wildfire and sinathia, do you have to do the woven echo to break down sinathia, craft the curse stuff onto a weapon, and havoc it? Then I'm guessing due to forge cost you'd then slam that onto another weapon?

[night hemlock]

Lich?

[inner cobalt]

Yes, need deathward for the ohshit button

[night hemlock]

What build are you playing?

[lost gale]

you can't slam set affixes onto uniques, you have to use it as an exalted

which makes crafting a good t8 sinathia mace a real pain

[inner cobalt]

Working on a custom build before I start actual league play this weekend - been travelling for 15 days, so no time to play

[sly forge]

I have a very strong feeling that crit fire HS will be nerfed next season

[marsh slate]

Ok yeah, that sounds horrible 🙂

[night hemlock]

Oh nice, I keep telling myself I'd like to travel

[lost gale]

you need a lot of luck, there's a reason that most builds use a primordial unique instead of a T8. Especially a set exalt

[night hemlock]

Where'd you go?

[inner cobalt]

Japan, with my SO

[night hemlock]

I'd love to visit Japan

What is an SO though?

Not heard that term before

[inner cobalt]

Step 1; good exalted base with open affix as needed, good affixes and 1 or more t7 affix
Step 2; add set affix
Step 3; shuffle affix tiers
Step 4; primordial slam
Step 5; cri

[inner cobalt]

Significant Other

[night hemlock]

Oh, significant other?

Ahh

Do you think there is enough scaling to turn Fire Aura of Decay into an RF build like in PoE?

[inner cobalt]

Potentially, yes - iirc it scales with DOT, Fire, Area Damage and some other effects? But honestly, I think the Poison version is stronger - poison stacks have inherent res shred, so if you focus on a damage/slow/chill aura you could do some shenanigans

[night hemlock]

Yeah, I tried a poison version before and you're probably right about it being stronger

[lost gale]

Poison Overload is the reason that poison could be stronger

poison overload carries poison for acolyte by itself

AoD just doesn't have good multipliers and doesn't apply that many stacks though, it's a very bad ailment skill really

[inner cobalt]

Yeah, this - I mainly use it as a slow/chill stick with some res on it

[obtuse quest]

Lol

Lmao

If it could it would have worked 3 seasons ago

🔫

[pearl snow]

I even tried it last league by using Flay to give it more multipliers

[obtuse quest]

But yeah, before AoD's rework, it's best node was it's missing health heal

Which was nerfed this season lollmao

[pearl snow]

Ugh I have to find why there are 3 pings in here for me now lol

[pearl snow]

Imm vibing just trying to push to 500 so I can see what needs to be fixed in the build really

The game is refusing to spawn my Shade Echos though

Defensive wise my current character has nearly 50% block, ward on block. I get like 1k ward everytime a zombie dies, my potion consumes a zombie if I need burst healing. 1.5k hp plus I sit around maybe the same amount of ward.
Its fairly comfy even when doing the Omen Greater Windows

But all the bosses kinda die under 30 seconds

[vivid valve]

Hmm I just looked at the corruption ladder a lot of abom builds not using ward.

How do they sustain with just hp. A lot of block and endurance?

[pearl snow]

Possibly yeah, thats the only other alternative. Do they have that Cleaver? Where your int == strength

[vivid valve]

Yeah

[pearl snow]

If they strength stack that gives them armor

[vivid valve]

So if the take hits they just pop potions?

[pearl snow]

So they have a load of armor plus block plus partial dmg is shared with Abom

Basically

Using Pale Ox and Cleaver makes them fairly tanky

Once you get Strength going

[vivid valve]

A lot also use the endurance shield

And many use 2 hollow finger over phantom grip. Does the extra skeletal warrior help in abom creation?

[pearl snow]

Prob

[vivid valve]

Help buff him more

[pearl snow]

But the rings could be snapshotting gear too

I forgot the whole setup

[vivid valve]

Ohhh I didn't know you can do that

[austere lichen]

anyone have a leveling planner for lich? i switch off warlock kinda early now im broke and dont have gear lmao

[vivid valve]

I'm also seeing a few with plague aura but no points into lich, also confusing

Is there passive snap shooting going on

[pearl snow]

That cant happen as far as I know

[wintry flame]

just want to say pretty sure the new individual operator node is bugged, I was testing it on Rogues in offline 😛

[pearl snow]

What did you do now

[wintry flame]

I don't think it works at all

so Rogues are just bad now

would love for someone to confirm and check my work, but I am pretty positive lmao

[pearl snow]

How far leveling? If you say early monoliths you may struggle a bit but I did Bleed DoT Chaos Bolts last league up until Empowered Monoliths

Oh

Oh no

[unreal hill]

I'm leveling my aod lich again this league.
Feels pretty tanky with all that phys reduction.

[austere lichen]

im like

level 76

lmao

i just dont have a lich planner that doesnt have the skin boots

[brazen steppe]

does abom basic phys attack also has this scaling tag for phys dmg per int? (soul reave replace its basic attack if u spec into it basically)

[wintry flame]

That's likely a lie as minions don't have stats and thus won't scale the attack they use

[old hull]

Abom just gets 4% damage per int baseline, as listed on its tooltip. It doesn't have attributes to scale its skills with.

[brazen steppe]

found it in last epoch tools, it has no flat dmg scaling

[wintry flame]

yeah those linked skill often are built a way that doesn't always get used to it's full extent in the case where it is found

[slim python]

hi, i came from PoE and first time playing this game, im at a point where asked to choose Circle of Furtune or Merchan's seems cant change later, what do you suggest for me as a Necreomancer?

[pearl snow]

I thought you could change

[wintry flame]

if you want Trade, MG. If you want to find your gear, CoF. Can always switch later

[old hull]

Yeah, just to be clear though, the attribute scaling on skills used by minions doesn't function because minions don't have attributes

[slim python]

oh good to know! thank you

[brazen steppe]

difference is 10 base flat dmg, +1 flat per int, +4% dmg per dex (multiplicative), 200% added dmg effectiveness (33.34% more dmg) with soul reave

[wintry flame]

Yeah but soul reave doesn't get those benefits when used by Abom

if it had any scaling it'd be listed in the tree like the Arrow ability

[brazen steppe]

hmm when i check it in game, soul reave shows the dmg increases with my stats

[wintry flame]

yeah that's if you casted it

When abom casts it, there are no stats

it has no attributes.

[old hull]

and also the increased damage from attributes is not multiplicative

[brazen steppe]

it is on skills, increase base dmg by x% so its local increase=multi

[wintry flame]

No it isn't

it's additive with other sources of increased

[old hull]

No, increased damage is increased damage, always added with all of the other applicable increased damage

[brazen steppe]

well abom does so much dmg already i dont rly know

[wintry flame]

oh btw I don't remember who I was talking to about Dragonflame Edict, but I had an epiphany recently and you can wear Aaron's Will and use skeletons to proc the skill without summoning a minion that takes the cast.

[pearl snow]

Wait huh

HUH

[wintry flame]

It makes a minion skill that doesn't summon a minion 😛

[pearl snow]

PYRE ARMY IS REAL

IT COULD BE

Ill have to test later in league

Problem then becomes how to scale Pyre without it consuming normal skeles

[lost gale]

you gotta spend a lot of mana summoning mages

and if you have multiple golems you can't really use doom brand to make sure your mages die

so you probably need an abom summoned using only skelly mages to reliably eat them (doesn't have to be specialised)

there's no way to trigger skelly mages in the game afaict

[dusty terrace]

i was pointed here after asking in general chat about a build that would have very good clearing potential anyone know which build for acolyte it could be? playing dancing strikes bd right now its strong but im too much of an addict for clear speed :D

[crisp ridge]

what are people liking for best levelling this cycle 🤔

[lost gale]

warlock fissure

[lost gale]

I don't think any of the good acolyte builds are really zoom zoom

VK warpath is probably your best bet

[obtuse quest]

Oh. LMAO

I never thought of that.

[dusty terrace]

damn okay thank you

[crisp ridge]

any specific use for fissure? torment? ignite? bleed? bit of everything?

[obtuse quest]

Pick one and lean into it.

You'll do fine.

[crisp ridge]

ehh, ive been finding it a bit boring sadly.

i just want downfall of the righteous 😭

[lost gale]

that build is such a letdown 🙁

I really want it to be good but it's really undertuned and the quality of life of being a RF-like build isn't even that good

[obtuse quest]

Can't fault it for trying though

WF could have been dogwater

Now it's at least mid.

[crisp ridge]

idk witchfire has always been fun in a silly way

or do i go level a new char for blackhole 😭

[azure dawn]

are the skeleton rogues with the fire or cold arrow any good this season?

[weak atlas]

I play coop, and my char there is my main (warlock for now). But if I wanted a farming type hero to farm legendaries for my main hero, while coop partner isn’t available, which char requires the least gear (dependency) and can farm and annihilate everyone super quick?

[obtuse quest]

Rogues
Arrows

Pick one

[crimson saddle]

Can i see a planner for this?

[abstract summit]

Flay litch tho

[lost gale]

Isn't it much much slower than warpath?

[obtuse quest]

It's also kinda L until you get the gear for it

[abstract summit]

For sure but if you do it doesnt get zoomier than that imo

I would put it this way, in lower density warpath is prob faster in high density I think flay is actually faster than wp

[hidden sable]

ghostflame

[lost gale]

any good acolyte builds

[austere lichen]

flay litch is quick lol

dont really need to compare it directly to how fast warpath is

[limpid isle]

harvest flay lich is good now? i will swap to mana version later but now i try to farm items but i'm really squishy (for example i want to farm unique body armor to boost my hp, but i have 2k rn and i have big problems with t4 dung boss)

[valid glade]

I tried making a bleed/frostbite build with skeleton archers and bees. It was fun but I don’t think it’s very good, missing out on minion bow/melee dmg on main hand makes their upfront damage not very good. It was pretty tanky though with healing from rip blood

[abstract summit]

Every non ward build will be squishy with 2k HP

[azure dawn]

aaron got that new fire dot necro that looks cool. much more interesting than abom

[hidden sable]

it cuts through 1000 corruption like butter bro

[ashen bluff]

fat gloves

[night hemlock]

A lot if not most builds can easily do 1000 corruption which is pretty much all you need

[abstract summit]

Gimme

[night hemlock]

Now?

Flay was added last season and to say it's "good" is a bit of an under statement, but it was "good" last season too.

[fervent seal]

Can you take death knights and pyromancers? Wondering how to convert death knights with hungering souls to fire

[obtuse quest]

Death knights locks out all other mages

[fervent seal]

Hmm, damn

[shadow valley]

dont need to, you just get fire hungering and fire AoD

[fervent seal]

Oh, that's smarter haha

[shadow valley]

and check out the frost lich node

it should be giving DKs 20% dmg buff

[fervent seal]

Cool, sucks that Blight of Lachesis doesn't have +fire Minions but it'd probably be busted if it did lol

[shadow valley]

yeah I did start with blight and per Tevon's suggestion, swapped to bonewand+shield

[obtuse quest]

Dk aren't fire tho

[shadow valley]

so much better

[shadow valley]

yeah and

[ashen bluff]

first kill btw (also dropped a no lp and a 2lp)

[shadow valley]

gz

[obtuse quest]

Da,mn

[shadow valley]

have 2 of those too, just need a slam donor

[fervent seal]

The set with +3 curse and Minion skills?

[shadow valley]

huh?

no

[fervent seal]

Which bone wand and shield?

[shadow valley]

the mana shield

since we mana stack

[fervent seal]

Ohhh

[ashen bluff]

I have found ONE mentis

[shadow valley]

lool

it's quite common

[fervent seal]

What's your build exactly? I'm thinking hungering souls death knights converted to fire + zombies

[shadow valley]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyNbZ7

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[shadow valley]

curtesy of Tevonsonte from this chat

[white lagoon]

i know it seems like a dumb question but for skele mages if you do death knights do they get increased damage for spell damage or melee minions or both?

[shadow valley]

they get both, respectively for their melee attacks and spells, if you make them do spells

if you do crit version, its a big buff. For a dot, you'd rather focus on mana

[fervent seal]

Cool, appreciate that. I saved it for later

That's basically exactly what I had in mind lol. I started off with actionrpg's version

[white lagoon]

is this a pretty solid build im just kinda winging stuff atm and its going well but just curious what i could roll into later

[shadow valley]

it's solid

[pearl snow]

Derp be my biggest hype man

[fervent seal]

Would you use phantom grips over those turquoise rings?

[shadow valley]

I did and its fine, especially if you land a nice corruption on a well rolled 2lp

optimally you wouldn't start with them

[fervent seal]

Why's that? They feel easier to get lol

+4 skills plus glove stats and int seems useful

But I'm not a good builder lol

Err mana, not int

[abstract summit]

i thought they fixed the gloves part applying to non FW minions

[fervent seal]

Oh derp, you're right

FW only