💀┃acolyte

[wintry flame]

but necro has multipliers other classes don't

[sly forge]

the relic has bleed pen per strength

huh but which nodes make necro stronger?

vitality nodes?

since you can actually get a lot of minion damage from the strength and attunement from primalist

[wintry flame]

necro has more dmg with vit (50%+ mutli), AoD more phys Dot (75% multi), Decrepify (15% multi), Dread Shade (60% multi), and can give a lot of atk speed and additional pen

[sly forge]

ah forgot aod

[wintry flame]

also bone curse 50%

[sly forge]

hmm

speaking of bone curse

it's sad that we cant use bone curse for sac abom

[wintry flame]

yeah idk how to solve that one

[sly forge]

now for bee

problem is

we have strength, vit, attunement

which should we priortize for bee?

or should we balance?

[sly forge]

still it's good

on par with rip blood warlock (but it is harder to obtain affixes)

[wintry flame]

strength for the pen probs

[sly forge]

I would go strength and vit

[modern timber]

yo anyone know can u use corrupted exalted gear mods to put on your LP items??

[wintry flame]

yeah and vit

[sly forge]

cleaver+ set armor and off hand+legend

[wintry flame]

I have 100 str and 70 vit in that planner

yeah you can go that way I went with bastion since str stacking

[sly forge]

but no queen bee?

[wintry flame]

I didn't opt for it

[sly forge]

hmm

I might copy some of misha's infernal necro gear

that gear has high sustain without needing shield

[wintry flame]

I went regen for golem to gain regen and hold shade

the regen is wild sustain but need more ehp

[sly forge]

1000+ regen?

[wintry flame]

it's like 2k+ regen

with more bees you get way more regen

[sly forge]

ok that regen should be equal to ward

[wintry flame]

yeah if you got the % health regen to ward would be ideal since we can't do vessel 🙁

then you get more sustain

and ehp

[calm dome]

I love the necromancer tree. So many free resistances

[pearl snow]

Send help I havent seen shade spawn once since I entered empowered yesterday

[sly forge]

@wintry flame why chaos bolt?

ah the chance for alignment

[strong atlas]

is flay mana lich tanky compared to the frogs build ?

[pearl snow]

flay mana lich with gear is fairly crazy dunno about frogs. But its mainly because it leeches so much back from going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[edgy yew]

do you happen to have a loot filter for the leveling on that witchifire build? looking at the guide it doesnt seem there's one

[strong atlas]

i wanna try it but i think mana stuff way too expinsive compared to other builds so i started with frogs

[pearl snow]

the filter in the section near teh bottom should have some basic leveling guidelines, but if you want something a bit more detailed, lemme port over my current one

[edgy yew]

not that it matters much during leveling, just dont watn to have 100 things on the ground lol

[sly forge]

@wintry flame how do you sustain bee during boss fight?

[edgy yew]

it must bee hard

[wintry flame]

that's the issue with potions. That's what I was saying needs to be figured out

[faint igloo]

Anyone know of a good hungering souls death knight necro build guide?

[pearl snow]

We have some planners, did you want like a full detailed build guide?

[faint igloo]

honestly a planner would probably be good enough - im almost to mono's and wanted to swap over to that variant of summoner

side question - is that one of the better builds right now for necro?

[pearl snow]

its brand new, hard to say but it is good

Every variant is doing well so far

[faint igloo]

is that one pretty simple to play im assuming?

[abstract summit]

it's def good enough to farm my flay stuff on lol

[pearl snow]

CritHS: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/vn5uc80i
Zombies + HS Mages: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/885uby0i#1

Im doing an ignite variation of the zombies one

[faint igloo]

is that pretty much just run around and spam zombies more or less? since mages autocast HS

[pearl snow]

yar

[faint igloo]

whats the chaos bolts for?

[pearl snow]

give them more dmg via the consumption node

adds spelldmg

[pearl snow]

https://pastebin.com/s7w74AUP, For Witchfire you can turn off all the Blue and Red colored rules

This has all my builds for the leagues tarters in it

[rich frigate]

Ayo, anyone here knows of a build with Flame Whip (Malatros) + Fire Aura of Decay (Ash Wake)?

[pearl snow]

Its basically the same Whip build but you just use those boots instead

[faint igloo]

do I need to manually cast that as well?

[rich frigate]

Wouldn't AoD fire damage kill me tho?

[pearl snow]

yes, but if you didnt want to you dont have to

[pearl snow]

no you overcap your res

[faint igloo]

I'm wanting a pretty autoplay build haha

that still has decent clear speed

[rich frigate]

Hm. So go for overcapped Fire res and Necro res? Gonna try to plan something here

[pearl snow]

yeeeeeeeep

[rich frigate]

Gotcha, ty

[faint igloo]

are there specific uniques I need before swapping over to the HS deathknight variant? or can do whenever

[abstract summit]

wanted to ask Tev besides the multiplier in HS wouldnt giga zombo also mean less ignite stacks? one zombo vomiting vs 6

[pearl snow]

think its pretty easy without uniques

[pearl snow]

you can still summon up to 6. Wording kinda wierd but the cap doesnt change

[abstract summit]

wait what 😄

[abstract summit]

hoolyyy

now that's a zombo army

[pearl snow]

YEP LOL

[abstract summit]

i guess vital ward also pops off with it

[edgy yew]

so something like this

[pearl snow]

yeah I need to pick that up

[abstract summit]

i dont have all the points yet, unspecced it for more vomit damage, then 2 echoes later immediately went back lol

[edgy yew]

I turned the rest on because why not

[pearl snow]

fair

[faint igloo]

would you guys suggest the necrotic or fire variant of the HS dk build?

[pearl snow]

For DoT? or the crit variation

[faint igloo]

uhh which one is better haha

or easier in my case i guess

[pearl snow]

Crit has been proven offline to kill uber, but DoT has less buttons for sure its just spam zombie

As far as which is better we dunno quite yet, ignite feels great once you get AoD online with ash wake

[abstract summit]

isnt crit just spamming CB 👀

[wintry flame]

crit isn't good for clear

[faint igloo]

so maybe fire DoT for speed clearing?

[wintry flame]

I'd go a DoT or even just necrotic setup scaling hit/DoT via possess

[pearl snow]

its not speedy per say but maybe with Archmage itd be faster

[tender halo]

Are there any updates to your HS crit build? I've been following that pretty closely so far

[pearl snow]

When I say speedy I think like Lich Flay and Witchfire Lock

[abstract summit]

granted im just entering empowered but imo you can slap on zombos to the same template if you want more clear

[pearl snow]

i have a vid of ignite in a mono early on from league start

[faint igloo]

yeah im gonna respec from necrotic ignite to fire i think

im not really sure on the differences tbh but it seems cool

[wintry flame]

it's fine as is, but lacks clear pretty bad without a Pyre golem. So I was checking out Necrotic hit/dot setup

[faint igloo]

The fire DoT version on that template doesn't have the hungering soul setup - you got a pic handy for that skill?

[tender halo]

Ya the clear especially during omen windows can be a struggle

[pearl snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYE9eMq4, this is aspirational but ye

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 14.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[wintry flame]

indeed, they are quite packed

[faint igloo]

Would the be the proper leveling order for skills as well with that scroll bar?

[abstract summit]

am i the only one who is never lucky with weaver relics? 😄

[rich frigate]

Btw, off-topic of acolytes but can anyone share their weaver tree with me? I just got the monoliths and I am not sure how to spend the first points

[willow verge]

150% fire res is a good number to switch to AOD?

[pearl snow]

No my actual character is literally running 2 minion cd idols and the rest are mana / a random resistance lol

[pearl snow]

If you Intelligence is lower than 75 ya

[pearl snow]

Yeah it should be. 1 thing is if you are leveling with the build I’ve heard from a couple other that going giant zombie before Vomit helped them

[quiet seal]

@pearl snow Thanks for sharing that, you might have a few too many omen idols in that planner though, limit is 1 on that board

[pearl snow]

You can get more via an altar suffix or prefix

[quiet seal]

Just curious, what makes the dot version clear better than crit?

[quiet seal]

ah, cool beans, thanks!

[abstract summit]

🧟

[quiet seal]

thanks 😅

[abstract summit]

or golem i guess but i dont have an emote for that and im on the side of zombos 😄

[quiet seal]

I really feel like necromancer is in such a good place right now, so many options and all seem to be worth trying out

[pearl snow]

I think its mainly the fact that HS DoT can be scaled with an archmage for clear speed because he shoots like 20 projectiles lol. Plus DoT uses zombies to help out clear

[edgy yew]

@pearl snow so on this quoted part

Once you unlock your Warlock mastery, you can start working with Chthonic Fissure and once you unlock Chaos Bolts can drop your Skill Specialization in Wandering Spirits. Spam
Chaos Bolts, scoop up PrefixDamage Over Time items and use Chthonic Fissure on large packs of mobs or bigger enemies
I assume that rip blood still involved there somewhre since it wasn't on the list of stuff to drop

[quiet seal]

interesting, thanks

[pearl snow]

Oh you can drop rip blood kinda whenever. I’ll have to re read it all but maybe I should specify when to drop

Oh wait

Oh yeah this is witchfire it does get dropped

[willow verge]

should i remove dread shade or bone golem to place AOD?

[pearl snow]

Golem

If you have issues early on with dread shade killing minions you can force it to go on enemies

[edgy yew]

I will add... bone curse? in its place. Also the filter you shared above the only altar rules I can see is Mana altars that is not one that I have enabled. Just fyi. I am adding the ones that you mention on the guide as rules

[pearl snow]

Yeah I’m still unsure about the best altars for witchfire, but anything with % life and armor are useful

You could copy my rule for the mana altars and just remove mana affixes for armour, ward, health, Ward decay threshold

[willow verge]

thanks for the tips, my master.

[pearl snow]

Lol

[edgy yew]

huh, rip blood warlock appeared on S tier on maxroll tier list. Cant remember if it was there before

[sly forge]

A tier for bossing

btw

what made rip blood warlock better than lich now?

[pearl snow]

Ask Maxroll lol

[sly forge]

did warlock get buffed in any node?

[pearl snow]

Nah I think only new lock tech was the Apocaypse zombie stuff

[sly forge]

btw the abom sac bug still exists

just less frequent

[pearl snow]

Kinda curious to try Bones of the Ancestral Pack with DoT Zombies if you run it with an archmage

[edgy yew]

corrupted stuff is also hidden apparently, I am just changing to show all of them lol

actually nvm, the hidden items are useless anyway

[pearl snow]

hmm im seeing them

yeah that might be it

I got stricter lol

[edgy yew]

yeah it was axes, I read the thing wrong

[obtuse quest]

My man updating the build guide?

[pearl snow]

always that guide is our child

Ash honestly just looked so fun for it

[peak flare]

There's a node in Cthonic Fissure to get flat damage everytime spirits apply Torment on you, also Warlock has slightly more cast speed to synergize with Arcane Absorption in Rip Blood.

[obtuse quest]

True, it just hyper boosts the clear speed

(If we needed that more)

[calm dome]

I was thinking of the same for my set up at least until I get the mana idols for reliquary nest to be better

[pearl snow]

true, maybe one day itll kill Ubby

[willow verge]

what do u think about pale ox? zombie vomit build. @pearl snow

[pearl snow]

Its solid always is in effect

lmao speaking of

[willow verge]

im doubting in what scales better. flat mana or minion fire dmg?

[pearl snow]

probably mana honestly

[willow verge]

mana we only scales de skkelet mages. no?

[pearl snow]

100 mana is is 200% ignite chance on vomit

wait why didnt anyone think about just doing poison Vomit and HS

[calm dome]

Cause I don't think poison chance does anything for vomit

Only poison chance from the tree works for it

Specifically the mana one since it is not a hit

[willow verge]

we gotta see on offline

[pearl snow]

From a clear standpoint it should just be better

you get to keep multi proj

granted you lose 100 pen and duration on DKs

[ashen bluff]

this was the rough plan, actual current setup is a lot of corrupt crap instead
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ3OvONV

[ashen bluff]

cos scalin poison is meh compared to ignite / necrotic

[pearl snow]

true, plus I dont think DK melees would poison

[calm dome]

Poison variants gets AoD and Rogues?

[pearl snow]

oh true

but then just play rogues lol

[calm dome]

Exactly

[pearl snow]

rogues dont mana stack right?

[calm dome]

I don't think there is mana scaling on skeletons

Just zombies, hungering souls, skele mage and chaos bolt

[pearl snow]

EVERY BONE WAND I BUY IS +3 AHHHHHHHHHHH

[ashen bluff]

Should be fine as +3

[pearl snow]

im greedy

[ashen bluff]

I'm overflowin on points theres nothing of consequence to spend on >_>

[pearl snow]

I think zombie has useful stuff until like 33 but yeah mages just nothing

[calm dome]

I advocate for dread shade cast on zombies

[pearl snow]

I moved dread shade to work on enemies

[calm dome]

It just makes sense with the flesh harvest node giving max effect at low zombie hp

[pearl snow]

true

maybe since the bug fixed my boys wont die now

[calm dome]

And I see people not pathing through the 40% attack/cast speed node but -50% crit on dread shade. I am going necro dot so crit means nothing to me

[pearl snow]

same

[shadow valley]

uhoh, omen's making me wanna go for more aoe clear than necrotic HS mages. Im seeing you guys mention ember wake Fire dot of pyre+zombies+fire mages+aod
what gear do I want?

[pearl snow]

I was thinking about getting the Mark on Death too but thats easy on a idol so meh

[pearl snow]

most drop Pyre in endgame for ignite DoT Zombies, but you could still run it

[calm dome]

For fire ignite necro, I was actually thinking of going an Abom set up. Abom to constant devour new spawning zombies to pop them and give him the tail slam ability. Make zombie tree scale for explosion damage

[pearl snow]

move all crit to DoT or Int basically similar gear

[shadow valley]

I really don't want abom no more

uhh rings go phantom?

[pearl snow]

thats intersting, what spec do you drop the mages?

imagine if Abom devouring would cast from HS

oh boy

[calm dome]

Yeah the mages would just keep getting eaten so you drop Mages and HS

Sadly the devouring souls ability in abom doesn't work off our hungering souls tree

But if it did

That would be cool

[shadow valley]

uhm the firedot version, it doesnt keep HS, right?

[pearl snow]

it does

[shadow valley]

oh so you drop golem, aite

roger that

[pearl snow]

yar

we dont scale his aura

he is great until you get Ash Wake for AoD

[shadow valley]

whats your body piece? im rocking aaron's will, but that gotta go with the golem ;p

[pearl snow]

Anything works really

im on Wall of Nothing

[shadow valley]

oh so I can go for it before ash? great

[pearl snow]

mantle is great

[pearl snow]

I went into Empowered without it

[ashen bluff]

pale ox is amazing

[pearl snow]

so ye

[shadow valley]

oh right I think I have some mantles

for weps, dragonflame edict is ok?

(im clueless)

[pearl snow]

it could work, Im just using the primo Bone Wand and the mana shield

[ashen bluff]

we already have 10% redirected to lowest hp on tree and then you combo it with ox that's 34% damage redirected

[calm dome]

I feel like every Necro set up eventually wants to do some sort of Cleaver Solution Strength stacking with Pale Ox

[pearl snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxw7ZyG aspriational setup

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[shadow valley]

thanks!

[calm dome]

At least I see no reason why not to go Cleaver Solution

[pearl snow]

defensively min maxing prob

Im trying to stack some Vit on the side for the % more DoT on our passive tree

[ashen bluff]

not even one cycle of putr is wild

[pearl snow]

the 6 minion teleports are feeling NICE

I got my first cycle today so I dunno yet

no swine still

[ashen bluff]

takin +10 melee fire instead of frost lich for 20% more feels wrong but I dunno

[pearl snow]

wait, did I do that

LOL

oopsy

I didnt learn that tech till recently prob didnt updatethat

[ashen bluff]

and cos* you're fire I'd consider flame rot <_<

[pearl snow]

Flame Rot what am I missing

[ashen bluff]

on the skele mages, more ignite pen and duration to maintain higher stacks

[pearl snow]

omfg I thought that was for pyros

[ashen bluff]

it's too many points probs but shrugs

[pearl snow]

hmmm yeah definetly point starved

HS does come with 100 pen and duration

[ashen bluff]

yeah should probably be good enoguh

[pearl snow]

plus AoD

nice catches though

[ashen bluff]

it's a shame you can't get spreading flames without firestarter

[pearl snow]

I know wtf

If some LP 3 drops

could be fine

but even then

eh

[ashen bluff]

you're not cbolt spammin so hard to apply

[pearl snow]

true

[ashen bluff]

well not hard, just would have to put HS on bar and make mages the tp

[pearl snow]

ive thought about that a few times, would make getting rings infinitely easier

Will be curious to see if a LP 1 Seed and a goo corrupt would outpace barbute

since you can corrupt and get dmg taken to mana on it

[calm dome]

Hmmm

If bone curse is converted to necrotic, does it give minions more necrotic damage instead of physical with the merciless node

?

[pearl snow]

ive never tried

[shadow valley]

Could I please get the Golem tree? just swapped to fire/dot/hs, dont have ember wake yet

[calm dome]

Time to ask a dev

[shadow valley]

the link from Tevon's already got rid of it

[lost gale]

The flat from self tormenting with fissure is better dps than reaper form and cast speed while cursed idols are strong too. Also the lich passive tree is kind of weak for damage unless you need dual wielding or to use flay etc.

Warlock also has some good defensive passives along the bottom of the tree

[pearl snow]

I ran this basically forever

[shadow valley]

thank you 🙂

[twin hedge]

the maxroll leveling build doesnt use infernal shade but we get this node anyway in the cthonic fissure tree. Do we get these last 2 bonuses without having to use infernal shade? because it's wored as if you need to use infernal shade to get the bonuses.

[obtuse quest]

No

[calm dome]

Womp womp

[obtuse quest]

If it did it would have been used in every necro setup lmao

[ashen bluff]

if only the necrotic res wasn't bottom rolled

[obtuse quest]

Since it would boost dread shade as well

[quiet seal]

wooo! 'Omen Idols: Fixed a bug preventing Omen Idols from dropping'

[humble otter]

I had been wondering how rare they were XD

[shadow valley]

IKR

[shadow valley]

was thinking to keep trex instead of wand, but.....

[ashen bluff]

nice

I should get a relic that does something

[shadow valley]

woah 3 days later I get to see raven's ^^

[rich frigate]

Ayo guys, just making sure. Does this node works with Spine's Flame Whips?

[obtuse quest]

No, the whips only take nodes that affect fissure itself, not spirits

(Excluding spirit frequency)

[azure tide]

in conculsion the game hates me

LOL gg

[hoary laurel]

Hey, is Wraithlord viable this season?

[night hemlock]

It's viable yes

[mortal niche]

what's the earliest level I can comfortably switch to rip blood build from leveling fissure? just minimum for pearls(58) or higher levels recommended?

[shadow valley]

im a newb, but I've seen numerous ppl complaining it's dogwater without proper gear

just ctrl+f rip blood in here

[honest meteor]

Tbh you can run the lich crit version

while you find everything else

For the maxroll version you really do need every single unique the guy posted, with at leat 1 LP

or it's dogshit

the lich crit version works fine, the single target is a bit terrible tho

[brazen steppe]

i play marrow shard auto trigger with rip blood lich crit

its doing corr100 monos easy

[honest meteor]

Now if only i could drop the god damn Traitor Tongue

[honest meteor]

I've done like 10+ unique dagger prophecies

(or the Mad Alchemist Ladle)

But even with absolute zero gear at least the lich version works

i'm following-ish this version https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM6L1bZe

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (91)

General:

▸ Health: 4,552, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 133.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 272%, Regen: 85/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 4 Dex / 136 Int / 4 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 73% / 73% / 110% / 112% / 88% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,365
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (16)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,714)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Transplant

This build has a guide:

Season Starter: Marrow Shard Lich | LE 1.4 by BlueBeyond

[honest meteor]

Just running Aura instead of Decay of transfusion

since you stack int anyway, you get infinite phys pierce from aura or decay

The one thing i'm honestly not sure is death seal

[mortal niche]

Thank you!

[honest meteor]

mostly because you have so much leech that the only thing that can kill you is one tap

[wooden quarry]

This is somehow working

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4XRbP2j

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (73) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,570, Regen: 271.56/s
▸ Mana: 580.73, Regen: 11.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 220%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 90 Int / 2 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 65% / 89% / 100% / 100% / 201% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 717
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,096)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Infernal Shade / Summon Bone Golem / Aura Of Decay / Hungering Souls

[green cedar]

dread shade frenzied phantom do it only affect the target minion or all in the area?

[ashen bluff]

no luck on corrupt

[shadow valley]

so uhh with skele mage blink I don't really have anything else to put on my action bar, right?>

and is this 'Grave Passage' even boss viable? wont I have to resummon my DKs?

also havent seen any1 doing inferno, that could be an option instead of cavalry?

[hoary laurel]

Hey, could you suggest a good Wraithlord build for this season?

🥺

[void saffron]

I should try leveling up an auto bomber VK 😂 , I mean honestly, that's almost what I'm trying to do with the mages+HS, and spawning zombies with the cycle rings.

[shadow valley]

I haven't looked into it, but I've heard it's all the same. Guides from last patch are fine

[willow verge]

@pearl snow , master. Why horn wand instead of dragon flame? For the flat int and levels?

[lost gale]

should be all of them I think

"affected minions" means anything in the aura and "targeted minion" means only the one that has the shade on it for most of the tree

[void saffron]

I ain't Tevonstone, but I'll chime in 🙂
Those things, yeah, and increased minion damage ain't the worst either for a 1hander. But it also opens up room to run a shield as well, which is nice for your survivability.

[shadow valley]

yup and right after swpping into that setup, adding AoD, I figured I gotta be close in melee range, both for AoD and dread shade armor buff. So shield helps!

oh craps I gotta do tier 4 sanctum to slam wall of nothing ;o well let's go for that shitshow

oh nvm she just melted

[willow verge]

Pale ox is not better than wall of nothing?

[willow verge]

Indeed, my Lord.

[shadow valley]

idk, I had pale ox, but right now im tryna following Tevon. The build he linked does have 1.5k hp, which is a bit concerning, but IDK man, im a newb in here

if I keep getting shitfaced, I'll just swap back

wow I got A LOT of ward from it. and max roll of 16% negate dmg

ya, that works nice

[willow verge]

Tevon is our master

[shadow valley]

bet

uhoh

[willow verge]

survivability is difficult on this build i think. Lets see at what corrpt it can get.

[torpid adder]

why are these hidden

[vivid valve]

When is it safe to swap from zoo to abom

[torpid adder]

those are t7 and 8

[vivid valve]

I tried doing abom for a bit but I got too squishy

No ward regen

[shadow valley]

just configure it

you're supposed to

[torpid adder]

ah really?

[buoyant robin]

Why my abo sometimes suddenly die out of no where? i put him as support with dread shade on, all focus health on tree, like he is explode but not die from enemy

[vivid valve]

When do I go abom?

When I have all strength stuff and shield and cleaver ?

[void saffron]

Any chance you have Contaminated Dreams specced in the Abom skill tree?

[vivid valve]

Not enough mid game guide for this game it's all either eveling or high end game. I always get stuck here and quit.

[buoyant robin]

my tree

of course i never use sacrifie on him

[shadow valley]

you dont need end game gear to swap abom
there are nice guides here and there on youtube on how to progress
there's a lot of breezy leveling builds out there-if you get stuck, make sure you follow the guide actually, thoroughly

[vivid valve]

I'm using Max roll one I swapped to abom but no longer have ward regen so keep dying

And his dmg is less than when I had tons of pets

Feel much weaker

[void saffron]

No idea then, that node is the only thing I remember killing my abom seemingly out of nowhere.

[shadow valley]

would need to see what you have, care linking your profile from last epoch tools?from build planner

[vivid valve]

I might try frog BM instead

I'm 60 so it's just stuff I got while lvling. I can't afford anything for mg atm

Where is survivability supposed to come from? When I had like 15 Pets there was a lot of ward

From passive

[shadow valley]

so that maxroll guide for abom has health on every piece

double on some

ress capped

are you?

[vivid valve]

Not yet

[shadow valley]

so you're not following the guide

[vivid valve]

I guess for abom I need to gear much stricter

I should stay zoo until 80 lol

[hoary laurel]

@shadow valley Hey, could you suggest a Wraithlord build from last season?

[vivid valve]

But why is the dmg lower too

[shadow valley]

double check if you're actually doing the exact summoning process/have the same skill points from guide/have minion dmg on gear

it should have way more dmg than zoo, IIRC

[vivid valve]

Does gear snapshot still work

[shadow valley]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/pl/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer essentially this, but with trex or architect body

not that I'd suggest playing wraithlord over normal wraiths, but hey its viable

it was my first build in LE 🙂

[vivid valve]

I have tyrant relic and mantle chest. But no lp. So no hp ok those slots. Also phantom grips but no lp so no hp on those

Need a way to regen hp or ward fast

[shadow valley]

'no lp' is usually done in like 15 min, gotta nemesis egg it

granted, if unlucky its a worthless stat on it, but these are ez to come by

also, if you struggle early on, stop doing uniques

do rare/exalted items

with crafted stats

and only when you get LP uniques slammed with something decent, then you wear it

[vivid valve]

Oh wow then I'm very behind

Well back to the basics then

[sly forge]

crit has almost same kill time as abom

that's the important point

[vivid valve]

Might be too late for me then I seem to be priced out of the mg.

Came too late I suppose lol

Btw for abom build is potion the only way to get back hp or ward

[delicate trench]

It looks like a pretty classic ho stacking to Ward conversion setup. Stack HP to generate as much Ward as possible and Ward generation is pretty fast.

[lucid olive]

Hello how is Necromancer doing in this new patch?

i am thinking of coming back to LE but idk if Necro ( wraithlord or other minion builds) are good enough

[delicate trench]

I’m doing fire crit zoo and it’s breezing along just fine.

[wintry flame]

should have low life boots and gloves

[delicate trench]

Could never get into abom due to having to snapshot but it’s still good, no real nerfs outside of egregious stuff overall. Necro has been a fun season starter for me personally

[lucid olive]

Im playing the Abom ( where you build X amount of skellies etc and consume them )

[turbid kayak]

Mnion Spell and Minion Melee both work on abom?

[delicate trench]

I think the only “nerf” to that build was changing the interaction with skeleton absorption. They are unsummoned rather than killed now and cannot take advantage of the resummon when a skeleton dies effecf

[lucid olive]

oof

[vivid valve]

Holy cow way too expensive just checked. I'm gonna just go paladin lol

Abom seems too pricey to start up

[delicate trench]

Can always just go zoo and then pivot to Abom if you’re liking Necro

And collect the gear/money to pay while on another build

[lucid olive]

While back the zoo felt...underwhelming did it get buffed?

[vivid valve]

I'm thinking i farm the 10 million on a easy to start does like pally yeah

[lucid olive]

i have like level 90+ - so i can go to pretty much anything

[delicate trench]

Depends on the season you are referring to

[wintry flame]

what's expensive?

[lucid olive]

im mostly thinking now if the zoo is bit..more durable

[vivid valve]

The gloves

[wintry flame]

You don't have to buy them

[vivid valve]

Just boots is enough?

[wintry flame]

you can find one without T7 or run other gloves with the missing hp as ward

there is passive node too you can take

[brazen steppe]

Just go right side and take mono reward cannot be beacon (area reveal), xp tome, etc

[vivid valve]

What node?

[delicate trench]

They are definitely durable from my point of view, still early in empowered but only the wraiths are a bit squishy. And that is with minimum minion health investment.

[wintry flame]

base acolyte tree

Crimson Gluttony

[shadow valley]

why do I want 150 fire res on ash wake+aod?

omg the fire pen works on me too?

[vivid valve]

Hmm lp1 mantle, shield, and cleaver are pretty cheap. Wonder if I should risk going str early

[shadow valley]

oh but is it included in the char sheet?

[obtuse quest]

Only when you turn it on

[shadow valley]

turning it off makes my res from 114 to 128

because of respite? yeah that would make sense

oh ok I get it. Because I've read here someone mentioning the need for 150% fire res for that aod SWAP, to make sure one doesn't end up with a negative. I'm good then 🙂 had to make sure if there isn't any interaction that makes me vulnerable if I don't have overcapped fire res while having fiery aod

used to play PoE, there you have to be wary of such things xD

[wintry flame]

you just need enough to counteract your int, but you get 60% fire res from AoD tree so it's not that much needed

until you get lots of int

[shadow valley]

74 int, we good

yo, Zeckar, I think you're playing fire dot? do you spam zombies all the time (to trigger explosions and heal) or let them puke and only summon when they perish?

currently I don't feel like I have the luxury of choice in here-my DKs die if I don't spam zombies, but I wonder if it's a dps loss over vomit-maxxing

[wintry flame]

Sorry I am not playing Fire DoT

I am doing Necrotic at the moment, still working on figuring stuff out for mages. Since I want more clear lmao

[shadow valley]

yeah wanting more clear is exactly why I moved from necrotic version over to fire 😛 because omens mostly

[ashen bluff]

350c is startin to kick my ass

esp the omens D:

[willow verge]

Yeah. I think the hard spot will be 400corrupt for zombies

Anyone got higher already?

[ashen bluff]

dps isn't lackin I'm at only 577 mana its my surv

[willow verge]

I'm only 270 mana 🥲

[ashen bluff]

guess its time to go farm vessel and fix some of my life

[willow verge]

Need to do one more mono to get the 90 one

[reef helm]

If I use this node, when it procs teh chance to replace a spirit with a chaos bolt, will that chaos bolt still trigger all of the other spirit talents in chthonic fissures tree, or does it make them essentially useless?

[lost gale]

I don't think it does any of the other things that spirits do, no.

[unreal hill]

they're no longer spirits, but it does scale off the chaos bolts tree.

[obtuse quest]

They aren't treated as spirits.

(That means to Torment either)

[reef helm]

hmm ok. I usually follow a build guide but this season im trying to do my own thing, and im lookin to do a chtonic fissure ignite overload build with the wildfire embers amulet and just trying to figure out all the interactions in the trees, appreciate the responses

[pearl snow]

yeah im just a wall of nothing enjoyer use whatever you want, a well rolle pale ox, or literally anything. Wall can just help with keeping higher Ward levels since we get so much from Zombies dying.

[shadow valley]

turned out wall works very good!

[pearl snow]

Dragonflame just isnt worth it unfortunately plus the mana shield is huge

Yeah ive been tweaking some stuff now that I hit empowered

[shadow valley]

btw, thanks Tevonsonte, enjoyning this build lots

[pearl snow]

np

[ashen bluff]

lol, 2nd kill, easy farm

[gritty drum]

is exsanguinous ward stacking still worth it or there are better defensive options now?

[unreal hill]

i like to use exsang with phys aura of decay and immortal blossom

then just armour and endurance stack

[calm dome]

acid skin pearls of the swine with vitality convert

hmmm

[turbid kayak]

Is it illegal to macro Command Pet to bone curse?

[pearl snow]

Interesting one

[pearl snow]

Yeah still good, you can use the Primordial Architect chest too

[gritty drum]

the dyno skull blocks it i think

[pearl snow]

Oh right

[gritty drum]

and the ward cap hurts bad

guess i'll just grab a brewmaster's buckle for endurance

[shadow valley]

Tevon, thoughts on yggdrasil vs boneclamour?

[pearl snow]

Yggdrasil will be lower effectivness until you get a higher health pool total & possibly a corrupt for more mana taken before ho

However my endgame is definitely wanting to try it

An alternative is Boneclamour is so easy to get just 1LP and corrupt every single one you get lol

And Hope for mana related affixes

[shadow valley]

ic ic

[pearl snow]

With 50% block and 50% dmg taken from mana before life (seed with the mana corruption) it could be quite nice

But you may need mana regen to sustain hits or dot dmg taken

So its a risk

Most people will probably boneclamour and just corrupt to hope for dmg taken from mana

[shadow valley]

with 760 mana it already gets a bit rough during some omens, when I spam the living f out of zombies

[pearl snow]

Yeah, that’s kind of where I dropped dread shade casting from 100% to 66% on my zombie tree

[quiet seal]

For my build this was definitely a concern, but I'm no where near endgame yet, so gonna have to see

[pearl snow]

Ideally, I have it at 100 anyways, but I can’t sustain it in the larger omen windows

[pearl snow]

Yeah in campaign I didnt bother with any points to cast shade on summon

It kept killing my golem / mages early on

I just ignored it lol

[quiet seal]

ah : D

[hearty harness]

hmm any tips how to make hs mages good for clear ?

[shadow valley]

dot fire version with aod and ash wake. I'm following Tevonsonte here https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyNbZ7

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[shadow valley]

swapped couple hours ago

[pearl snow]

Optionally, for more clear go Archmage and Necrotic for like 20 plus projectiles on hungering souls

[shadow valley]

feels good

[turbid kayak]

There is no way for +to strengh minion skills to work on Abom? like no conversoin?

[edgy yew]

it's a very solid build

[honest meteor]

Who do i have to pay to drop a god damn pair of Grasp of The Blood Mage

i've done like 10 Prophecies, dear lord

[unreal hill]

my harvest has more area than my bone curse aura

[obtuse quest]

LE does not have skill 'stat' converts.

Except smite i think

[turbid kayak]

oh ok.

[obtuse quest]

Yeah still a Smite only thing.

So if a skill is INT, then it is only ever INT.

Some may be dual type, but they'll walsy be dual type.

[turbid kayak]

for infernal shade on Abom, i need to respec into it and despec into it every time i leave maps?

and then spec back into bone curse?

[obtuse quest]

You'll get used to it.

[unreal hill]

what about harvest? e.g. taking the phys conversion adds the dex tag iirc
Edit: oh wait i'm wrong it always had the dex tag

[ashen bluff]

Current build, farmin for ups in 360c, abby dead easy
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXODvX2

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (58) / Lich (20) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,915, Regen: 173.71/s
▸ Mana: 867.98, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 233%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 13 Dex / 72 Int / 3 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 115% / 93% / 90% / 107% / 394% / 175%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 490
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,393)
▸ Block Chance: 18%, Mitigation: 42% (1,349)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Hungering Souls / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade

[ashen bluff]

meant to tilde the link I hate this bot

[turbid kayak]

after applying Infernal Shade , i respec it out for a specced Bone Curse right?

[peak stirrup]

https://streamable.com/yuahvw any advice for getting abom to attack and not just run lol

[gritty drum]

huh, kinda cool

[unreal hill]

that's a nice corrupt

[gritty drum]

if only the weaver's was better

[ashen bluff]

you ignite or crit? <_<

[calm dome]

mana stacking necro feels good

[honest meteor]

Another 15 gloves from prophecy and no Grasps, what is happening 😂

[calm dome]

the mana scaling on zombies, skele mage and hungering souls just makes it very easy to scale

[willow verge]

@pearl snow double phantom ggrisps on rings?

[pearl snow]

You can do that or run Cycle for helpful automatic Zombie summons or get the Infernal Champion rings for minions teleporting with you

[willow verge]

grisps also give me mana.

will try

[willow verge]

do u hav a aspirational gear?

[pearl snow]

Yeah, I think I linked it late yesterday. Try using the search function for my last message with a link. Otherwise, I can re-link it to you when I’m at my computer in about 20 minutes.

[willow verge]

i will find it. thnks

[shadow valley]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyNbZ7

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[shadow valley]

@willow verge that should be it

[willow verge]

yeah. found it. thks

[turbid kayak]

I can't do these Omen things as abom build. there are too many mobs and not enough aoe

i think ill just skip them becaue death means a few minutes of setting up another Abom 😄

[tired tendon]

Had some trouble with my fire minions on my first few double omens

So much going on

[abstract summit]

Ye it feels like more of a warpath/es/flay content

[pearl snow]

Yeah the pinnacle omen areas with champs or Tier 2 Omens runs where its just the massive one minion AI can kinda go wonky

Keeping minions on Aggressive usually helps

ive noticed on defensive they sometimes peel off their targets when you dodge around

[willow verge]

how can i do it?

[pearl snow]

Keybind my default is "2", but that swaps them between defensive and aggressive

the number under the icon is your keybind

or letter if its rebound

[wintry quarry]

Am I crazy or is Ghostflame not giving haste after channeling?

[pearl snow]

are you channeling for a full second?

[wintry quarry]

I'm channeling until it detaches by itself, which is 1.1 seconds

I'm an insane person

I think I've created something that approximates a Flow Bladedancer but as a Lich

But yea no Haste from Ghostflame

[halcyon fern]

Are there any cool non-minion builds for the Acolyte? I played Flay last season so anything besides Flay

[edgy yew]

loud groan every time I have to do this quest

[edgy yew]

warlock and lich have them

[modern timber]

yo if i only have a 1LP of this sword which stat is better to get for flay mana lich?

the shred or the melee necrotic

[pearl snow]

probably the flat dmg, but if you have no source of shred armor anywhere else theres arguments for that oto

[modern timber]

crazy thing is i could put it on the 1h axe

lmao i tried to rune of havoc this

and i kept missing LMAO

[brazen steppe]

except when u use single minion to do all job, aggressive will be bad

[pearl snow]

Well we were talking about a multi minion build so

[brazen steppe]

100k crits with abom good on 100 corruption lvl100 monos?

[willow verge]

@pearl snow What did u do to not die a lot at early empowered monos? my character setup :
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJW4xW2W

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 75

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (52) / Lich (10) / Warlock (2)

General:

▸ Health: 1,248, Regen: 16.5/s
▸ Mana: 435.88, Regen: 15.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 142%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 0 Dex / 54 Int / 0 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 151% / 127% / 174% / 53% / 158% / 114% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 250
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (47)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (660)
▸ Block Chance: 20%, Mitigation: 31% (565)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 41%

Used skills:

Hungering Souls / Aura Of Decay / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade

[pearl snow]

Boneclamour + Ambitions of the Erased Acolyte. Boneclamour is the more important one honestly

its fairly common

[willow verge]

Nice. u rock, master.

[pearl snow]

Optionally you can go get these nodes too. Lots of ward from Zombie death

[rancid sedge]

are cool new builds for accoylte?

hows the zombie throwing up thing

[left whale]

Hell yea

[pearl snow]

pog

[pearl snow]

Zombies is really the only new stuff alongside Hungering Souls mages

Confirmed that the Crit HS Mages can do Uber with offline gear, but vomit zombies is uncomfirmed atm possibly wont be able to without high end gear

[rancid sedge]

hmm

[willow verge]

did u see the " Death Blossom Death Knight"build?

[pearl snow]

We are using Death Blossom!

But if you mean the Crit variant

then yes

[night hemlock]

Sick

[rancid sedge]

sick as in good? xD

[edgy yew]

ok maybe going witchfire to do monolyths at lvl 45 was a little ambitious

[prisma smelt]

is wraithlord good in 1.4?

[pearl snow]

at 45 are you even proccing witchfire yet

[brazen steppe]

can be, but u need feed it with minions, while abom has full dps uptime all the time once u summoned

[prisma smelt]

Okay ty

[edgy yew]

barely. Only from ignite overload really

[forest remnant]

Is there some way to make it more obvious that Dread Shade is in use? Screen is such a mess that besides the one tiny icon I honestly forget if I have one out or not.

[honest meteor]

I somehow have a stash tab full of uniques gloves, and i still havent' seen Grasps, dear lord i'm going insane

[forest remnant]

Twins! Except for me its boots. I'm convinced they removed Ash Wake. (I know they didn't but it sure as hell feels that way)

[pearl snow]

I havent seen a single Decripify Swine yet lmao

I always find them shortly after complaining in here tho

[boreal rampart]

do the "for minions affected by dread shade" parts of lich's scorn work on you if you have the node that makes dread shade affect you as well?

or is it coded such that it explicitly only affects your minions

[old hull]

Yes

[pearl snow]

works everytime

[proud cliff]

Hmmmmmm

[vivid valve]

When can mana lich be started without being trash ?

[prisma smelt]

I also feel like other than Abomination, minions build aren't that good

[vivid valve]

I means mana flay lich sorry

I heard it's insane to gear

To get started

[raven rock]

how are people knowing how much damage your zombie does on explode? I have a friend playing the build but there is nothing when they hove the ability

[vivid valve]

I'll farm up the gear on my lb rm

The build guide doesn't even give alternatives to the 2 red rings lol

And the dagger cost more than an entire rune master meta build.

Think I'll pass nvmind

[dawn plinth]

has the mad alchemists ladle always been so rare? I have seen 1 in 92 levels

[old hull]

You can look at the damage number that pops up (either against enemies or against dummies); alternatively, math it

[raven rock]

oh damn really? I legit just said that to them in discord and they said "Yeah I am not going to do that" 😂 I imagine that happens quite a bit

is there a reason some abilities show up on tooltip and some just do not?

[old hull]

Minions are a little complicated to calculate, so none of them have tooltips (they might eventually, it's just low priority)
Also, some skills have really misleading tooltips, like pretty much every skill that only exists as a proc of something else, but these and the minion issue all boil down to just - it's difficult to account for every mechanic in the game

[raven rock]

Ah ok, makes sense, yeah I think its not a big deal to try and math it but I can see why a casual player will probably struggle to wanting to do that or figure it out correctly

oh wild she said chaos bolts does not have it either 😂

[brazen steppe]

There are dps dummies in arena, they got no resistances and low lvl targets so its a bit fake dps but good to measure

[old hull]

Yeah, that one is just a bug at least lol

[raven rock]

😂 I should have told her to play sentinel

[slender haven]

Does anyone have any preference between rip blood lock or mana lich? I have never played an acolyte and am wanting to try one out this season

[vivid valve]

Both seem stupid hard to gear

[abstract summit]

nah

500-600 mana, tithe, skin basically

there is no ceiling on it this season with all the corruptions tho 😄

letsgoooo

[slender haven]

holy that looks nuts lmao

[abstract summit]

would have like if the havoc hits the mana with the t7 but not gonna complain lol

[dawn plinth]

I went rip blood, cof makes gearing pretty chill. Just get the ammy asap and you are good

[slender haven]

alright sounds good thank you!!

[slender haven]

Is bossing alright for it or is does it kindof struggle with that/

[dawn plinth]

feels like bossing is where this shines, survivability in the new mech is a bit rough til you get some of the gear

also this damn ladle doesnt exist

ive seen one in 93 levels

[abstract summit]

nah it exists, i got an lp1 from like my first 3 mages 😄

[noble flame]

How are skeleton archers? They any good or they just for leveling/fodder?

[terse barn]

clearly a bug the ladle is a myth ive never seen one

[abstract summit]

see the trick is you shouldnt need it

then it drops

[terse barn]

i hate the desire sensor

[abstract summit]

it's real. i havent seen neither a tithe nor a traitors tongue yet on the other hand 😄

[dawn plinth]

I did like 50 trees and no boots, I even spec'd the weaver tree so it could drop in maps. I finally get it and then it drops 3 times

[terse barn]

well i should stop looking at builds then because im getting nothing and dont know what to transition into for empowereds

[abstract summit]

from what

[terse barn]

the basic maxroll leveling build

cthonic+bolts

[abstract summit]

you can use that still in early emps

but ye you do need to decide whats next and keep an eye out ofr those pieces 😄

[dense palm]

I'm in the same spot, though I already know what I want to transition into. I just don't know how the hell to do it

[terse barn]

thats the part im at

i tried farming the sodding boots from vaion but after god knows how many keys he only spawned twice and im still a ways away from the weavers node for it

[dense palm]

👀 very much looking forward to the answer to that too

[abstract summit]

i will ge real, target farming too early is a mistake imo

you are just wasting time and cof points. you need to grind the early 200 corr anyway for harbies and blessings, just keep rolling and you will get some of stuff you need naturally

then you get the rest on higher corruption and from more cof passives

[dense palm]

Kinda sucks when the build needs a specific unique though... I wanna have exploding zombies now!

[terse barn]

the vaion boots only drop in arena unless i get the weaver to add to the map which i havent found cant just get it from high corruption without it

[abstract summit]

im runnign explo zombies wo related uniques since campaign lol

[dense palm]

Oh damn

Can I just full send it without the boots then 👀

[terse barn]

zombies is what i may end up transitioning into if i cant get profane veil goin g

[abstract summit]

ash wake I assume? ye ofc

more than enough damage with mages and pyre til like 200-300 kinda

[dense palm]

Yeah, well, the max roll guide seemed to imply those were necessary but sometimes they exaggerate a bit on that

[terse barn]

which version are you running?

[abstract summit]

ohm, kind of a hybrid I guess 😄

i buolt crit for mages but have explo zombos and pyre golem too still for clear

[abstract summit]

it's not like one tapping a boss but can still progress without them

[abstract summit]

ok that's kind of a special case but i would be surprised if you couldnt start 100-300 corr without that extra more multi

[terse barn]

thats why i was trying to do the arena lol

[forest remnant]

Nevermind just made Dread a % self cast so I just don't think about it.

[abstract summit]

early monos are more of a survivability check without your blessings and on shti bases, not rly damage

[abstract summit]

you know it has a buff icon? 🙂

[vivid valve]

That's all pretty hard on MG afaik

[dawn plinth]

I didnt play last season but this beast stuff is all really great

[vivid valve]

Mg is basically hard mode

Dunno why I do it

[abstract summit]

well, you can switch. but also i have 450 mana without 1: blessing 2: 10 points in warlock 3: with 0 mana slam
and you can ascend all 3 uniques

it does take some time but i wouldnt call it "hard" per se

[vivid valve]

Rather play another game than start over tbh

For faction

I'll give it a try tho

With the gold I have

[abstract summit]

like t6 exalt chest + helm + relic plus blessing + plus 70-80 int with 10 in warlock beasically gets you there alone

[vivid valve]

Something tells me I'm going to be at 0 gold with a non functional build but then I'll just go play Claire obscura

Here goes nothing 🤣

[abstract summit]

for future reference if you dont know what drops to look out ofr and how to craft them to be sellable dont play MG lol

[vivid valve]

I'm using the advanced tsm loot filter

But that doesn't matter when I came 2 days late and have no runes to craft lol

[abstract summit]

i mean ye but rarely you will just drop a GG item to be posted on MG as is

[vivid valve]

I'll farm a bit

[abstract summit]

most of the money comes from throwing some RNG glyphs and runes on it and getting lucky from time to time

[vivid valve]

Yeah s2 I made a lot. But I havnt played on a while

[abstract summit]

running some weaver stuff for idols is always a good start

[vivid valve]

I have like 1.5mill I'll see what I can cook up

[crude vault]

damn, abom necro feels better then mana flay :(

[oblique jackal]

Does killing a Volatile Zombie detonate it? Or does the detonate only occur if it explodes itself?

I'm asking due to Profane Veil interaction

[pearl snow]

killing should explode it since summoning over the cap explodes it too

[oblique jackal]

Nevermind answered my own question:

Yup! "or dies" also explodes it

Thanks!

[vivid valve]

Did you have all mana flay gear ?

[crude vault]

~2k mana

[vivid valve]

Wow

How you get all that gear

[crude vault]

uhm, just play for like 10 hours? except RR everything cost 0

[vivid valve]

I played 10 hours im like lvl 68 in regular monos with not enough gear for any build lol

You mg?

[crude vault]

y

[vivid valve]

Uh I can't afford a single one of those items lol

I'm gonna pass on this game a bit too much for me

[crude vault]

play abom :D

[vivid valve]

I tried it kept dying and hated resummon cycle

Couldn't afford gear

[crude vault]

why u die at lvl 68 with abom, u tryin to push 500 corr?

[vivid valve]

It was the new mechanic

That circle

My abom didn't kill everything and I get overwhelmed

[crude vault]

move across and command abom to go huge pack

[vivid valve]

And the beams were one shorting me

[crude vault]

stack some cdr on idols

he should oneshot everything

[vivid valve]

So I probably shouldn't try flay mana lich?

[crude vault]

I dont like it :(

mb if here some source of mana leech

but press harvest to regain some mana

meh

[vivid valve]

I don't know why I find Poe2 so much easier than this game.

I always get stuck in here

In Poe2 I just use the new ah and become godly

In this game if I skip a few days especially launch and picked mg I'm done for

[crude vault]

poe shit

[vivid valve]

Like I couldn't play the last 2 days and now I'm completely priced out

[pearl snow]

MG in this game is entirely different than PoE, you should try CoF though

[vivid valve]

I can't progress

[pearl snow]

MG pricing and the inflation are entirely dependent on you acquiring items for gear and using filters specifically to help you sell items

[vivid valve]

I use the tsm filter but it doesn't matter since I'm low lvl

Still regular monos

Stuck in those

[pearl snow]

well you should be able to get through regular monos without buying gear honestly. What are you playing?

[vivid valve]

I was abom Necro but disliked it so I tried goingl mana lich

[pearl snow]

I almost always play CoF, but even without it a lot of builds can get through regular monos without anything

[crude vault]

dont use it

u need 200+ corruption for it atleast

[pearl snow]

Mana Lich is gear dependent but also Mana items are very meta rn

[vivid valve]

Oh

[pearl snow]

so it will be rough

[crude vault]

when t6-t7 items start drops

[pearl snow]

Yeah im unfamiliar with MG filters but you should organically get gear even in regular monos no COF

[vivid valve]

Man I'm so behind at this point

I'll slave through it I guess

I'll make sure to do cof next season

[pearl snow]

you can still switch

[vivid valve]

I rather play something than restarting gear everything I'm wearing was bought

I'll try to buy some more mana items

To get mana flay working better

[vivid valve]

Btw why do you like abom more ?

I hate the summoning process lol

[echo coral]

If you’re following Max roll, don’t they give you a huge warning ahead of time that it’s extremely geared dependent and that you shouldn’t play it without very specific set ups beforehand?

[crude vault]

just dont die :D

[echo coral]

You can always just play the regular harvest Lich on a basic set up and then switch over to mana later

[vivid valve]

Don't I have to redo it when going to mg

[crude vault]

no, only rebuff dread

redo after relog/death

[vivid valve]

Oh nice

I think my abom was hitting for like 80k

I gotta just get more ward

The gloves are 5 million tho...

Is there a budget build

[pearl snow]

whic Abom guide are you following

[crude vault]

which gloves 5 mil

[vivid valve]

Maxroll

[vivid valve]

The health to ward 20%

[pearl snow]

you dont need 20% off rip

there should be a couple gearing options on those guides

you dont even need low life gloves to operate the build decently

[vivid valve]

Will those get to 300 corrupt

I don't like minion builds tho tbh I'm only considering it because someone said it's cheap

Vs mana lich

[crude vault]

my gloves :d

[pearl snow]

Abom can do 300 corruption in like negative gear

[vivid valve]

I'm dying pretty bad in the 72 regular mono with some uniques

[pearl snow]

link your character

[vivid valve]

On have pale ox , last step, trex, and two phantom grip

And some hp exalted

[pearl snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ import your character here

then link it back to us

[edgy yew]

what's the usual combination for lenses on COF again to not be super annoying? I have the relic one to look for the downfall of the righteous and one more slot, I add the one for unique or one of the ones to remove a certain type of event?

[vivid valve]

It will take me a while I removed all gear

I was gonna repspec

[pearl snow]

I usually do Unique / Relic / More cost but double usage.

You could do Relic / More Cost / No arena or no dungeon

[vivid valve]

Rune master seems real cheap I might try that

Unless I can find mana flay stuff for cheaper

[edgy yew]

I only have two slots atm, so I will go with unique and relic, ty

[weak atlas]

Does this mean everything is working but main effects apply to the 2 in blue or how does this work

[pearl snow]

anything that only works with "refracted slots" will only apply if those are populated. Otherwise they work as normal

[weak atlas]

So as long as I have something in the blue spaces I get all benefits? Sorry new to this

[pearl snow]

kinda, so as you can see on mine I have 3 "glowy" or "refracted" slots. And my Altar has mostly affixes that say "in a refracted spot" meaning I get those benefits up to a total of 3 times due to my altar having 3 "slots". However the corruption applies to every slot, meaning if I had all 1x1 Idols I would get +3 mana for every idol that is currently corrupted even if they are not in the 'refracted' slot

but basically, yes populate glowy bit == max benefit

[weak atlas]

Tyvm!

[azure dawn]

Are zoo minions finally a thing?

or is it still abom

[pearl snow]

Zoo in the sense that you can use more than 1 type now yeah. I think most common at the moment is like Mages + zombies.

Its still not like a true zoo where you have mages + zombies + skeles + golem

To be fair you could prob do a true zoo ignite build

[azure dawn]

gotcha. and for boss dps you still summon abom?

[pearl snow]

Bossing nothing beats Abom, though I hear that Crit HS Mages is coming close

[edgy yew]

does anyone even play the other faction, the one that is not the prophecy one?

[pearl snow]

some do yes

CoF is by far easier / straightforward

[vivid valve]

It's good if you play a lot during season launch. If you are dumb like me and miss the first few days it's rip lol

[azure dawn]

I wouldn’t say easier. Mg is easier to get the gear upfront. Cod is easier to min max

[echo coral]

Noooo I missed the decay aura effect by 20 minutes...being a dad gamer sucks sometimes lol

[azure dawn]

like I bought everything I needed for erasing strike if I had to farm that in cof it would be a bit longer but getting max rolls of items is easier in cof as max rolls as very expensive in mg

But the difference between like 117 mana vs 120 mana on t7 for example is negligible

[edgy yew]

From what I understand you have to actually be savy to know what to sell well and etc. And pricing.

[azure dawn]

you do have to know a bit but its not that hard. for example this season is spellblade and rogue so those items and uniques sell for a lot because lots of ppl playing them

i sold a 1lp eye of reen for 400k and that banked rolled my world splitter titan heart and army of skin

[vivid valve]

I'm gonna try to start a mana lich hopefully it works . But I'm pretty sure that build needs lp1 with mana to work

Might require more gold than i have

[azure dawn]

for example a t7 117 mana cost 110k. 120 mana is 500k. like +3 mana is not worth 400k more right

So yeah it’s a hassle playing with the UI but some of the gear is way easier to get on mg

[vivid valve]

How much is lp1 traitors tongue

[abstract summit]

just corrupt them until you hit "all affixes are maxed" 😄

im fairly sure that's unironically the play at least for idols

[azure dawn]

right but you can't slam a corrupted item

[edgy yew]

oh right, you have to run around the area to get to the vendors right? That was annoying when I tried.

Also I have no idea why I am hunting and evolving those beasts, getting bones, and at this point I am embarrassed to ask 😆

[old hull]

Talk to the weird wengari dude that follows you around, he sells stuff for those materials

[edgy yew]

Everything is super expensive and the items are weird. So I guess I didn’t pay attention to that mechanic on whatever season it was implemented

[crude vault]

lshdlashdldhqlhdvqhwldhqv

[azure dawn]

yeah pretty much mg is good for getting the inital gearing set up because prices are pretty cheap atm

[pearl snow]

OOF

[old hull]

Yeah, it was last season. They are very powerful, you're limited to 1 primordial item - either one of those uniques, one of a few drop-only uniques, or a T8 exalted item (which that rune he sells can craft).

[obtuse quest]

Becuase chaos bolt's 'explosion' is coded as a proc. (Also you can't calculate shotgunned damage)

[pearl snow]

Nah just mislead people and show me the dps for a single bolt dps

[old hull]

Technically, a ton of skills are like that. I think they just linked the wrong subskill (one that doesn't deal damage).

[obtuse quest]

Which would make it much funnier since it's not fixed for 3 WHOLE SEASONS

[old hull]

Yeah, you're telling me

Neither of locust swarm's conversions have worked for years and swarmblade didn't even get a single mention in patch notes

[obtuse quest]

[pearl snow]

damn

Im going to do the tried and true complain about something to get it to drop

I need double exalted mods on boots and a wand

k ty game

[abstract summit]

in before double t6 poison + lightning resist drop

[pearl snow]

honeslty fine with that as long as I can gamble with redemption runes lmao. I have 2 Lp items im foaming at the mouth to try to slam

[vivid valve]

Will prices to up on that base gear ?

[abstract summit]

feel you lol. imho the best weaver tree node by FAR is the everything enraged + shitton of runes and glyphs

[pearl snow]

OH GOD I FOROGT ABOUT THAT

[abstract summit]

lmao

[pearl snow]

okay I respecd my champion nodes

praydge for more havocs

[abstract summit]

that node, in cemeteries, guaranteed havocs

[pearl snow]

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaani

[azure dawn]

they tend to generally go down as the season goes on

[abstract summit]

game losing popularity also means less RMTers and dupers 😄

good for MG

[azure dawn]

Yes compared to season 2 prices are crazy low

like insanely low

[abstract summit]

which if you think about is crazy cause MG was also profiting majorly off of imprints so if anything prices on rare items should be higher

[azure dawn]

yeah things are insanely cheap except for the little idols.

[obtuse quest]

Ya'll get good stuff? I can't even get the uniques I need to drop

[pearl snow]

kek

Yeah I finally got 2Lp Bone Wand and Ash Wake

To be fair I just found pearls of the swine TODAY

[obtuse quest]

Keept getting like another grim consti

Can we Ascendance idol uniques

💀

[pearl snow]

one day lol

to be fair all my rng went towards the fact my starting build idea wasnt completely awful

[abstract summit]

self bait best bait

[obtuse quest]

We're exprienced enough to know what builds aren't total ass on reading the build setup

[pearl snow]

Yet I still made a Poison AoD Lich last league 🤔

[abstract summit]

you should have stopped at "poison"

no more warning signs needed

[obtuse quest]

Did you do it as a starter? No you didn't.

(I think)

[pearl snow]

I might have considering I think my highest CR last league was like 370, but I genuinely dont remember lol

I was doing way to much cookinng last league

[abstract summit]

hm okay? 😄

low life it is

[pearl snow]

it really is taht easy

complain strat works every time

[obtuse quest]

Don't get monkey pawed

[pearl snow]

dont worry im on it

okay I need havocs to finish this before I check if it failed to do anything for me lol sealing took 1 Potential and first reroll hit Int and Flat HP for only 5 Potential

[abstract summit]

btw there are also prophecies for havocs they are just ass to roll

[marsh slate]

Doing a lock ignite build (https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/mattmull/character/Dot) are finally starting to get some LPs. I can't go low life because of the leech on the uniques, so for the boneclamor helm, what's the best defensive stat? Life, ward per sec, necrotic resistance, etc...? Thanks!

[pearl snow]

I thought there werent since Ive spent prob over 100k and havent seen 1

[pearl snow]

A MAN OF CULTURE

[abstract summit]

i member farming them last season may be wrong tho

[pearl snow]

Nec res is probably best for ward generation, though being Crit immune is important too

Crit immune / reduction

I know you have it on other gear

[marsh slate]

K, reduction is at 100%, but it's a right rope act keeping it that way, so good idea too

[pearl snow]

but it could free up slots elsewhere

[obtuse quest]

return below
No infernal shade

[marsh slate]

Awesome, ty!

[obtuse quest]

🔫

[pearl snow]

He went straight for the trees lmao

but Kzb is right

prob get rid of the Return Below node

[abstract summit]

ok not targeted prohpecies but "Runx11" can drop havocs too, happens semi frequently i think higher corr

especially if you complete it inside a tomb/cemetery

[pearl snow]

I have to test out if the benefits of Orians Eye can be competittive with Swine Amulet, but like the odds of getting a decent Orians are next to none

[marsh slate]

Infernal shade better that profane veil? I was originally shade for a while, but damage felt underwhelming. Profane veil at least doubles as a panic button for defense too

For single target

[pearl snow]

It would be cool to pair that with AoD Ash Wake and not worry about void res

[obtuse quest]

If you don't plan to use infernal then drop Return Below

[pearl snow]

plus mana

[obtuse quest]

Cause that node does nothing without it.

[marsh slate]

Ah, thank you that wasn't clikcing

[pearl snow]

Profane is just super nice defensives while you dodge stuff

And a damage amp at the same time

[obtuse quest]

Yeah that is more of a "Defense or Offense?"

[pearl snow]

Also if you drop profane veil then you drop those channeling nodes on your Lock tree too

[marsh slate]

For omens it's awesome, because it can tend to get crazy

[pearl snow]

@obtuse quest Poison Whips is calling me like the green goblin

[obtuse quest]

Lmao But it's not T7!

[pearl snow]

thank god for that

more of a whisper less of a shouting

my phys whip filter rules were like HEY REDEMPTION ITEM HERE TIME TO GAMBLE

oh

[obtuse quest]

holy luksak

[pearl snow]

rando drop

[abstract summit]

why no nemesis first tho

[pearl snow]

prob beats out T6 flat mana lmao. TIME TO CORRUPT THE ONE I HAD

[pearl snow]

omens drop

I had no say

[abstract summit]

ah actual natty nice

[old hull]

ooh

[edgy yew]

is there any that is for the witchfire build or nah

[pearl snow]

Witchfire exclusively uses a primordial affix honestly

[obtuse quest]

You'll get the rune to make a t8 item generally for witchfire

[pearl snow]

cuz you can get like 600% curse dmg on a weapon

[old hull]

Probably T8 sinathia mace set affix

not really any good primo uniques for it, but that affix is poppin

[edgy yew]

ahhh that is an option then

[buoyant robin]

Why my abo sometimes suddenly die out of no where? i put him as support with dread shade on, all focus health on tree, like he is explode but not die from enemy

[obtuse quest]

I see the node

I see it

One of these alt text lines is lying. Guess which one.

[buoyant robin]

the last one? lol

[obtuse quest]

No, the 2nd one. It's the reason why your abom is dying out of nowhere.

It's 'eating' itself.

[buoyant robin]

it's bugged?

[obtuse quest]

ye

[abstract summit]

wasnt that bugged last season already? 😄

[buoyant robin]

lolllll

[obtuse quest]

Didn't get fixed this season

[abstract summit]

well sry last season was necro rework, see you in 5 years

[buoyant robin]

T_T

[obtuse quest]

That's technically this season

[buoyant robin]

i'm playing blood wrath, how can i auto product them without abo, zombie is too clunky

[old hull]

I thought it was killing itself without any sac chains

or in other words, mega janked

[weak atlas]

Which acolytes build is the most focused on fire dmg? Found some godly fire stuff and want to tune that way for now , until I get some good legendaries

[obtuse quest]

It's due to whatever they're doing with abom's sac targetting iirc

[pearl snow]

Witchfire with Ash Wake theres also Ignite Zombies

[old hull]

Yeah, I wonder if somehow the abom tries to sac something that dies in the same frame for some other reason, if it just defaults to targeting self or something silly lol