💀┃acolyte

[vale jacinth]

gonna turn em into honey brb

[quiet seal]

heh

[hushed dew]

now nec has auto shade on zombies and that scales very well with lich set, prob can compete with warlock zombie

[wintry flame]

all the bee builds https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/8s35180i#1

[sly forge]

that is for infernal shade necro

[wintry flame]

7 bee planners

on Necro

@sly forge not done with Golems

[vale jacinth]

LOL 7 already? haha.

gonna look at em

[wintry flame]

yeah Crit, All DoT variations, and then Queen Bee focused ones.

some of the set setups are scuffed cause Maxroll limits them on Necro idk

[quiet seal]

oh wow, wraithlord AND queen bee, now you have my interest

[sly forge]

hmm problem with pyre golem is that it does not have very good low life sustain

you can have at most 40% of health generated as ward per second

[quiet seal]

why not add T-rex 😅

[wintry flame]

you don't play the wraithlord lmao, it's just for the base. Has spell and CD

[sly forge]

assuming max t7 rolls

[quiet seal]

awwwww rip the dream

[vale jacinth]

bro I dont use maxroll tools too used to le tools since 2014.

[wintry flame]

LETools would take me 10x longer to make planners in

[sly forge]

btw @wintry flame isnt golem better with cold?

[wintry flame]

you go regen and vessel

[wintry flame]

no, not anymore. I mean if you wanted to snapshot it sure, but ideally you go all fire

[sly forge]

ah ok

[sly forge]

so no low life for golem build?

[wintry flame]

correct

[sly forge]

should I go for melee or spell for golem?

[wintry flame]

spell

[sly forge]

hmm

i wonder if i should choose decayed skull or raven crown

10 flat spell is too attractive

but decay skull helps sustain

especially you don't have damage redirected to minions or low life

[quiet seal]

Wouldn;t the golems themselves be a form of sustain, plus the natural agro they draw?

[vale jacinth]

lol zeck ok all your builds are using the same skills :d

[sly forge]

well in the end, I have 2 slots for fire minion necro

flame wraith is one of them

the next might or might not be mages

[wintry flame]

wut you mean?

oh refresh

I think the profiles weren't saved

[vale jacinth]

yeah it shows golem on all of them

[wintry flame]

yeah golem is shade holder on most except for Queen ones

since you go regen and golem can scale with regen and bees are immune

[vale jacinth]

no it all shows like that i mean

[wintry flame]

click skills

you're looking at the passive tree

[vale jacinth]

ohh ok there we go

ok darn yeah u stole all my ideas 🙂

jk

ok you didnt do one idea left I had

[wintry flame]

get to it buddy

[wintry flame]

because I'd miss out on running vessel and taking advantage of the regen. T-Rex doesn't offer much unless I invest into it

[vale jacinth]

roger its in the oven

[quiet seal]

That is very sensible, Vessel is a great choice for the regen no doubt - I just had this wonderful image of Queen Bee, Wraithlord and T-rex running around a mono 😅

[wintry flame]

I'm sorry I couldn't appease to your minion fantasy

🙁

[quiet seal]

heh

Really nice work though, I hope it's fun!

Of course it's been a while since I played Wraithlord, and had totally forgotten he would eat the bees, and the rex 🙁

[wintry flame]

He's just hungry 🙁

[quiet seal]

I do kinda miss the mad turbo slides he'd do across the whole screen

[hushed dew]

not only for him. zombie gets tons of flat spell damage from the lich set easily

what happens if i get 100% chance to not consume potion on use?

[quiet seal]

time and space collapses in on itself and the universe starts all over again.

[hushed dew]

damn I should not do that

[pearl snow]

THAT LOOKS LIKE GOLEM COOKING

[hushed dew]

thank you for the info, we're so lucky that I knew it before i'd actually commit it.

[wintry flame]

you realize you wasted 25% because it's capped at 75%

[hushed dew]

._.

75% sounds still great tho

[wintry flame]

uh that's Bees

[pearl snow]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

oh damn

[obtuse quest]

https://giphy.com/gifs/worth-anyway-R9yLfikwYAF32

[ashen bluff]

frustates me to no end that tundra + tree is 'only' 90% reduced crit dmg taken -- wdym its not free

[vale jacinth]

ok cooked enough for now

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrX7jXj6

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (33) / Necromancer (75) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,138, Regen: 28.32/s
▸ Mana: 176.51, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 177%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 10 Dex / 51 Int / 12 Att / 79 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 52% / 52% / 30% / 68% / 129% / 113%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 1,304
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (47)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,366)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Bone Curse / Dread Shade / Transplant / Chaos Bolts

[vale jacinth]

obviously this is an aspirational build lol

[quiet seal]

Don't you mean an apiary-ational build

[vale jacinth]

@wintry flame that was my take!

i'll have to hone in on it tomorrow though, there's actually so many nice multipliers.

[ashen bluff]

confused what the actual dmg vector here is

bleed / frostbite split from CB and pen on weapon?
with shade providing damned / necrotic?
while maxing cdr to spam transplant?

[vale jacinth]

Yeah just scaling multiple ailments with generic multipliers, and using transplant to apply minion buffs and mapping

Ohh I posted a reply in wrong channel... The queen bee build would be SICK too! I like your max minion cdr stacking for slash attacks

[ashen bluff]

ngl just going for cold and replacing the bones with lich's seems a lot better than splitting between 3 ailments

[vale jacinth]

I could change it around for one damage type but this build is based around the cata. I could just go all in on bleed instead thats right.

[ashen bluff]

the cata seems iffy w bees

unless youre self buffin

does the cd on the buff get affected by cdr? >_>

no right, defo no

[vale jacinth]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL09L7gx

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Necromancer (63) / Lich (19)

General:

▸ Health: 3,053, Regen: 28.32/s
▸ Mana: 255.51, Regen: 11.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 129%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 54 Str / 12 Dex / 47 Int / 14 Att / 94 Vit
▸ Resistances: 39% / 61% / 61% / 130% / 77% / 179% / 161%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 1,274
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (57)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,752)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Bone Curse / Dread Shade / Transplant / Chaos Bolts

[ashen bluff]

the scalins just so free on primalist compared to necro

[vale jacinth]

yeah, but necro has more damage multipliers for bees lol

dread shade+Bone curse+ripblood+chaos bolt

plus passive.

[ashen bluff]

being necro is an inc not a more

[autumn bough]

wherer did u get that lmfao

dread shade is more and a lot of it

same goes for bone curse

meanwhile primalist 0 more scaling cause its not a companion

[ashen bluff]

The base of being necro, not denying the rest

That mod is inc dmg for minions

[autumn bough]

okah

but the main part is that you scale minion dmg anywasy

so might as well put minion on top of it

for example just putting abomination with minimal setup +bees will do so much dmg and probably abom will do more dmg than bees at that point even with bee gear

:kekew

primalist can add bear or saber as big dps boosters but both require gears and active buff upkeep

[ashen bluff]

the whole point of necro is active buff upkeep and gear snapshots to get massive multis

[autumn bough]

gear snapshot?

its been fixed last patch

as for buff upkeep all you do is put dread shade once and bone curse spam, thats WAY less hassle than keeping up shark stacks and warcry/frenzy totem on primalist

lol

for example biggest dps primalist build which are saber and bear are both cancer to play and turned off a lot of minion players cause they had to swipe/cry/totem all the time which at that point felt like playing a melee build

its not the same as necro

[ashen bluff]

They shouldnt be the same cos then the only thing is comparing #s

[autumn bough]

issue with necro bees is that its attt scaling

which is big F if you wanna abuse your own minion on top of it

probably best options would be adding abom since its broken or skele mages since u can go big att mana scaling and it gives them a lot of dmg

[lost gale]

@autumn bough you tried making any builds using the 2% cold pen per int you can get with lich's scorn & AOD?

seems like quite a potent scalar but idk how best to use it

[autumn bough]

i might yoink @wintry flame mages and do smth with it

next month not now for sure

i cooked another caster necro yrday tho

[lost gale]

sacrifice?

[autumn bough]

no, chaos bolts

[lost gale]

sacrifice seems like it should be good, it has decent multis available, good ADE and good ways to trigger it pretty fast

[autumn bough]

sacrifice still bugged i have planner for abom sac

self cast just way worse

[lost gale]

you know for sure it's still bugged?

I know they didn't say they fixed it, but they did say they made changes to abom sac and I kind of hoped they fixed it

[autumn bough]

hahaha

well very optimistic but its a possibility

xdd

[lost gale]

I wanted to make abom sac happen all through 1.3, I'm on pure copium here

I'm also interested in zombie sac/mshards but there's no good dread shade target if you do that

[autumn bough]

should be ez to test day 1

[candid bough]

What did you do with CB?

[autumn bough]

abuse revenant minion for shade buffs and go LL https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/j05e070e

otherwise same as volca lich

6350hp on endgame gear tho kekeke, not counting atlas idol effect

so probably 6700+ with it

shade alon gives more than double dmg and 100+% cast speed, pretty unblanced if u ask me

but needs actual testing first

[lost gale]

shroud of obscurity?

[autumn bough]

easy 3lp better than exhang

also we cant be bleed immune need self dmg to autocast revenant

[lost gale]

looks pretty cool

so that's the new best version of CB ailments you think?

saying in the area of the revenant's shade without much area on the skill tree sounds kinda annoying

[candid bough]

Looks good. Is the brewmasters belt for the vit?

[autumn bough]

Ye more hp

And like 400 armor with dread shade+base

I was actually thinking unspeccing harvst get abom instead and dual snapshot dreadshade

Xdd

Might do that

Dark magic maxxing

[sly forge]

oh I forgot cold mage exists

so tough choice here

fire hunger soul mage or cold mage

same to golem

mage now has a lot of multipliers now so both builds seems promising

@wintry flame so do you think cold mages will be stronger than fire version?

[ashen bluff]

I always forget revenant exists

[ashen bluff]

necrotic clearly, hs mage for clear and big daddy zombie shreds st

[sly forge]

but what makes necrotic better?

at least for bossing

[wintry flame]

not going for the QUEN BEE?!

Honestly some flavor of Profane will be probs be best or Cold Crit w/ Mortar + normal cast

[ashen bluff]

its up in the air whats best, snapshottin for crit is probably highest ceiling

mana scalin for massive amounts of damned dmg and chance scales very well and synergizes with defensive nodes

[wintry flame]

but I have no Idea

[quiet seal]

please stop cooking the bees 😭 they need to live!

[sly forge]

you mean skel mages?

[wintry flame]

yes

[sly forge]

right now I'm not sure about HS dmg

I want a build for bossing

[quiet seal]

I think my late game build will be cold mages miinnhh, I want to try T8 lich affix on offhand! Possible +270 flat spell dmg!

[ashen bluff]

to me zombie is looking busted for st and it fits well with mages

[sly forge]

but lich affix does not give you cold pen per int

[quiet wolf]

Why are you going for such little scaling of Bone Curse?

Also, why so few bee sources? How many bees are your expecting to be able to get?

[quiet seal]

true, but my thinking was the Aura will give you 100+ pen anyway, so it should be fine

[wintry flame]

The amount of multi is pretty crazy on HS

even with the CD

[sly forge]

well if the t8 could out damage the cold pen then it will be ok

cold res stacking+int+mana stacking is good

[quiet wolf]

CD won't be a stopping point. If you get a GG Idol board with a good T7 Prefix roll for effect + 60% on the Relic you can get to about a 0.5 second CD for them.

Pretty nuts to think you could have 7 of them cast almost 2 a second.

[sly forge]

and final problem

how do dread shade the mages

do we actually need to take the everlasting poison node

[quiet wolf]

Dread Shade will be a trap if you get enough CDR IMO. They don't need that much cast speed.

[quiet seal]

I'm currently planning to take athe Aura node for frostbite multi too, I can link my planner from S3 if you'd like (I never actually built it though 🙁 )

[sly forge]

cold mages

the 40% more dmg node is too attractive but it wont create aura buff

[quiet wolf]

Ah, for cold mages it makes sense then. Are you going thr Lich set for shade scaling and flat added?

[sly forge]

yes

but problem is I need to handle the hp drain from dread shade

[quiet wolf]

For the HS version Dread is a trap after a while. You get very little increased damage for a useless amount of cast speed that they won't even get to use really due to casta of over things.

[sly forge]

huh but they still have double damage?

[quiet wolf]

This isn't an issue with minion healthe regen and leech.

[sly forge]

but you have to find enemy every time if you go leech

and what kind of regen can out damage 3% hp per second if minion has a lot of hp?

[quiet wolf]

For the HS it is better to just go for more skeletons for more multiplier for minions. Swap out Dread for Skeletons and then go Skeleton Archers with Ice Arrow Cluster for freeze. You get 11 more minions vs. the golem version.

[sly forge]

fire arrow is better for bossing since it aligns with fire aura of decay anyway

[quiet wolf]

Link your tree if you can. If you are risking losing 3% per second you are going a strange tree for Dread. If you go Lich, you mostly just need it speed and the area increase to proc the buff from Lich. You don't need it to ramp that much damage.

[quiet wolf]

Not for the HS version I am going. We are talking 2 completely different things. Also you sound confused on what you were building. You don't sound like you are going cold scaling at all with the Lich set.

You sound like you are trying to build 3 different builds into one vs. maxing the potential of a single archetype.

[sly forge]

Ok I'm really confused now. For me I want a fire or cold based minion necro. Preferably fire

I am thinking of HS or cold mage

For cold mage I don't know how to solve the hp drain problem

[quiet wolf]

2 completely different things....

[sly forge]

i don't get what you mean by 2 different things

[quiet wolf]

For Cold Mage were you going to use the Lich's Scorn set with Dread and Infernal Shade?

[sly forge]

yes

[quiet wolf]

Okay, then you don't need to care about HS or Fire anything. Just focus soley on scaling INT for Pen from the catalyst.

[sly forge]

Yeah I know. And my problem is hp drain from dread shade

unless I spec everlasting poison

[quiet wolf]

The HS build I am going uses the Cold Amuelt which is why I go cold archers. My Mages are Fire then with Fire HS for Aura of Decay -fire % scaling. Completely different builds though.

I know, I was trying to tell you how to solve it and asking for you tree when you started talking about how to change my build to match yours lol. 🤣 😂

Send me your build please so I can see why your Dread is draining to much.

[sly forge]

and Idk if I should go for t8 lich affix or the cold pen from int

t8 gives more flat dmg

[quiet wolf]

Go for Necro.

[sly forge]

while the green item gives cold pen

[sly forge]

?

[quiet wolf]

I thought you meant Lich class. Sorry. They need to change the item name.

[quiet seal]

THIS lol

[quiet wolf]

Go for the base item, not T8 from the set mod.

The gloves you can use set shards, those give nothing good. You absolutely have to have ALL the mod options on the Catalyst. Plus you can just corrupt a ton of them now to get mods on them you want.

For Dread Shade just take Lone Watcher.

[quiet seal]

My thoughts on this were 270+ flat wwas worth losing the 135+ flat with all the other mods.

[quiet seal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR0OmVYQ I had this planned for S3 (pre-cast 7 mages with staff)

[sly forge]

hmm ok

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 5,017, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 1,116.09, Regen: 15.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 210%, Regen: 44/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 15 Dex / 105 Int / 15 Att / 42 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 159% / 75% / 74% / 81% / 98% / 98%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,304
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,882)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[sly forge]

@quiet seal for me this is want I wanted https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxwRWVO

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (32)

General:

▸ Health: 1,182, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 72%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 16 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 68% / 28%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 236

Used skills:

Dread Shade

[quiet wolf]

When you can get up to about 140 INT without trying, it is too good to not have 140 pen.

[sly forge]

since the 40% more dmg is too attractive

but I guess I have no other choice but to abort it

[wintry flame]

it's 30% now

[quiet wolf]

You have to think though that the - pen % is going to be a bigger multiplier than a 30% more.

I would take 100+ pen vs. 40% more even. On absolutely any build.

[wintry flame]

makes me less likely to take it lmao, I can get 150 cold for all minion and benefit from armor node if I lose 30% multi

[quiet seal]

I wish I had tried both last season so I could have compared, but my gut feeling is the 270 flat gets scaled by so many other vectors it out-weighs the extra 140+ pen. But I'm sure you are right. And as you rightly point out, this season is all about getting somethig quick and dirty and farmable to spam with corrupts, and the lich's set item is perfect for that

[sly forge]

300+ cold pen if you stack cold res

[wintry flame]

do you account for losing said res on AoD activation

[quiet seal]

Now they gutted Evolution's End I'm assuming Death Rattle would be BiS again? (Cold crit mages build)

[sly forge]

if you have x cold res you have (x-int)/5 added cold pen

and if you focus on stacking you should have 400+ cold res

@wintry flame people have stacked 700+ fire res for builds they really focus to stack them

[quiet wolf]

It depends on the total number of multipliers available on the tree. If you are using the new mage mana stacking + the flat... it MIGHT be worth it if you can get to like 1k mana.

But if you just have about 250 mana, and don't scale that well for the mages, then it kinda sucks more. Plus, you still don't have a crazy amount of more multipliers in those trees. Even less in the Skeleton Archers too.

Most of it comes down to the math. Just remember though that the pen is probably going to be a 10x + multiplier as one of the last ones.

Also, most of the minions damage is addative not multiplicative. Your biggest pools are all stuff like +150% addative on belt and ring and relic.

[quiet wolf]

Death Rattle got a solid bump in value again due to the Evolution gut.

[wintry flame]

Death Rattle, Omnis, or Nihilis

[wintry flame]

yeah fair I just don't know the res stack builds I guess

I'd just rather like get enough res to cap, get cold res shred somehow, then stack int

[sly forge]

@wintry flame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqfTj30S-6U

[wintry flame]

cold res shred is equivalent to 125% cold res for one blessing

oh yeah I know about this but res has a double purpose here

[sly forge]

ah wait

[wintry flame]

res is insanely valuable in this setup and you get a lot of DR going channel ghostflame

[quiet seal]

That's really helpful insight thank you. Just curious, is there a minion biuld this season you're keen to push?

[wintry flame]

The question is how good will blood golem army be

Hmmmm

[quiet seal]

orbs for everyone? 😅

[quiet wolf]

Also, with Pen don't forget that you get a damage multiplier in 2 forms.

If you get a modifier adding resistance to the monsters they gain reduction against you.

IE you have 750 damage and they have 75% res. You do 75% less damage, vs. Pen makes that negated if it brought down to 0, and then adds even more in the end if you bring it to negative.

Having 270 flat vs. 150 flat would make the 270 flat way worse against resistance reductions.

I would happily take less flat and have the ability to drop mob res into the -X% for even more damage vs. having my huge flat scaled numbers just get rescued by a huge %.

[quiet seal]

Man I love theory crafting in this game so much!!! hehe

[quiet wolf]

Same!

[sly forge]

yeah that one got 900+ fire res

[wintry flame]

I remember a time I wasn't point starved on Necro smh

[quiet wolf]

The other question too, does the Aaron's Will mean that the 1 second Bone modifier will convert to the 1 second Sanguine modifier for Blood Golem. If this CD replacement effect works for making your Golem bloody instead... then that could get silly. Haha

[wintry flame]

negative

[quiet wolf]

Sadness, figured. That would have been silly.

[wintry flame]

it's specific to just the bone shatter proc

[quiet wolf]

Boooooo

[sly forge]

hmm

ok so for cold skel magee

should go for original lich item

[wintry flame]

yes

[sly forge]

and forget 30% more dmg

[wintry flame]

correct

[sly forge]

and yeah I will still try to stack cold res if possible

now

[quiet wolf]

Honestly the version to try is Shatter Cold Golem. You can get roughly 400%+ CDR for minions with Formosus.

Run Lich then too with that and just watch your Golems slap everything with Shatter. Hahaha

[sly forge]

idk if cold version is better than HS mage

[sly forge]

better than fire golem version?

[sly forge]

how to get 400%+ CDR?

[wintry flame]

250% DE every ~2 secs

[quiet wolf]

Freezing Grasp sorry, lol.

[wintry flame]

Blood is 1800% DE every ~2 secs

[sly forge]

btw

how do you dread shade golem?

again forget 30% more dmg?

[quiet wolf]

New modifier on the new boards. Refracted slots get 50% increased suffix effect at T7. Lucky rolls.

Add that with the 20-30% effect from another T5 suffix/prefix roll, then 60% from the Relic.

Helm gives some as well and the. Formosus gives some too.

With Refracted slots being potentially 130-150% effect and 60% from relic you can get 5 of these slots with one of the boards.

23% x 5 × 3.1 = roughly 355% + 23% helm and 40% from amulet.

[wintry flame]

most cases I am forgetting because of armor and vitality stacking.

No vit stack, no lich buffs, solo minion or 5 minions = All For One

[quiet wolf]

Pyramidal Altar with GG T7 effect of idol rolls will probably be the most under-ratedly OP thing this entire season.

If you get bee idols there it can literally give you 4x your bees. 🤣

[sly forge]

well this is unfortunate for abom

which does not get 60% fron relic

[quiet wolf]

Ghost Flame can be free with the same setup. Mana stack and you can get thousands of ward for stacking ward per second froM Ghostflame and current mana gained as ward.

[sly forge]

not sure about ghost flame

I prefer build that deals at least dps like flame wraith

[wintry flame]

Abom still gets insane CDR now with the Prophesied altar

[quiet wolf]

Lol, Ghostflame + Witchfire + Aura of Decay Fire = easy mode immortal auto-farmer.

[sly forge]

I consider flame wraith to be the minimal viable dps minion build

and I focus on bossing to kill time

say uberroth

i can see flame wraith having hope against uberroth by stacking int+res next season

[quiet wolf]

Sentinel will be the biggest abuse, lol. You can get 100% fork chance for Shield Throw, haha.

[wintry flame]

oh many I am struggling with crit on Blood Golem smh

[quiet wolf]

100% Divine chance.

[quiet wolf]

Add Acid Skin with amulet.

[wintry flame]

acid skin doesn't get scaled with % crit mods tho

[quiet wolf]

Death Rattle doesn't give that much DPS vs. getting to 100% crit with Acid Skin.

[wintry flame]

I am doing frozen

for minion CDR

[quiet wolf]

Ah! Yeah. Fair, lol.

[wintry flame]

and % cold dmg

since I use lich's

[quiet wolf]

Hmmm, Golem does suck in that regard lol. All the good flat minion crit is skele.

Could try to get Minion Crit on Idols with CDR and scale effect.

[wintry flame]

I already do

I have 10 base crit lmao

like wtf am I supposed to do with this

and going golem army I want skeletons

[quiet wolf]

Funny thing with cold Golem is that the spell damage for the Grasp is that it scales at 250%. So Lich is insane value.

[wintry flame]

that's garbo tho

Blood is 1800% DE per cast

at the very minimum 900%

for ST

[quiet wolf]

You said you were going cold though right? Why split the scaling when the pen doesn't effect blood? Or are you going to go T8 lich for flat?

[wintry flame]

the only thing split is my base damage and a bit of dmg from weapon

most damage is cold so I focus cold

plus you get 2 extra multis with apogee

[quiet wolf]

Where are you getting the 1800%?

[wintry flame]

300% DE per hit, 6 hits over 2 secs per cast.

[quiet wolf]

What node though? I don't see the 300%.

[wintry flame]

6 x 300 = 1800

it's just bae Sanguine

[quiet wolf]

That is silly. 😂 🤣

That % MIGHT be worth trying the math out on a T8. Lmao.

[wintry flame]

yeah I could do t8

[quiet wolf]

I feel like they didn't test that very much, lmao before slapping 300% on that.

[wintry flame]

it has terrible QoL

so idk might be fine

no homing, so orb can miss lmao

[quiet wolf]

Fair. The first 3 Google links I saw where how bad it was at hitting packs of stuff. Lmao

[wintry flame]

yeahhhh

[sly forge]

so is fire the worst version of golem now?

[wintry flame]

no I'd say it's the best

[old hull]

It won't typically hit a single enemy with all ticks, plus golem has junk multis aside from the new skele mulchers

[sly forge]

why?

[wintry flame]

I was testing offline and idk if they increased it's target range or if it's offline but seems better than when I last tested it

[wintry flame]

more scaling, easier to build

[sly forge]

hmm will it has more dps than wraith I wonder

[wintry flame]

no

probably not

[sly forge]

that's unfortunate

but well they are tankier

seems my only candidate left is HS fire mage

right now I want to focus on two minion necro builds only

one is abom and one is a fire build

[quiet wolf]

LMFAO..... if the game counts each Idol as its own source of CDR as multiplicative, you can get a 6 second CDR to be a .18 second CDR with the idol layout I listed + the 100% in tree for Mages for the Deathblossom. So at some point the CDR will cap out faster than the animation can trigger. Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣

[wintry flame]

what do you mean each idol as own source of cdr multi?

[quiet wolf]

Some skills in game the pools are multiplicative with eachother vs. additive. IE. 5 idols at 77% CDR would be 1.77 * 1.77 * 1.77 * 1.77 * 1.77 vs 5 * 1.77.

Even if it is addative for the pool, it still can get below 1 second.

[wintry flame]

all CDR is additive

in the case of minion CDR

[quiet wolf]

Incorrect. Some pools for skills and trees have a different set of pools that can be multiplicative.

[wintry flame]

Yeah I meant in this case

[quiet wolf]

Minions is addative too, correct. But if it was that would be funny.

[wintry flame]

I know there were some skills with that but it's not that common

[quiet wolf]

Thankfully it isn't, honestly you couldn't use it anyways. You couldn't get the cast rate to be fast enough probably to make use of 5 cast a second.

Even trying to stack enough cast speed for 3 per-second might be too much.

Still going to be fun trying to get it to below 1 second CDR.

Might not be possible though for that.

[mystic flame]

how do you survive the HP degen from Aura of Decay, Marrow shards and Unclosing Wounds on Rip Blood Warlock build ?

[old hull]

You can just run ward, AoD doesn't do much self damage

[viral belfry]

Never made a Necro before and wanted to theorycraft something with Volatile Zombie Spam + the new ash wake boots, but I am stuck on which 5th skill to spec (apart from not really knowing if this will work at all but thats the fun of it). Any Ideas?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrX7jrZ5

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (78) / Lich (10) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,221, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 223.14, Regen: 17.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 360%, Regen: 128/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 12 Dex / 130 Int / 2 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 63% / 87% / 93% / 93% / 277% / 62%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 444
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,165)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Aura Of Decay / Infernal Shade / Sacrifice

[old hull]

I don't see dread shade specced, that's an automatic take on all necro minion builds

[viral belfry]

Ah nice, I was considering it but was unsure how much infernal shade and dread shade interfere with each other bc of the shade limit. Guess thats not as much of an issue?

[turbid kayak]

I hate playing BM unless I use Auto Hot Key lol . piano bs on that stormcrow build

reminds me of D4

What's the best pet build in S4 for Aco?

[old hull]

Yeah, usually not too much of an issue. You'll typically be limited to 1 dread shade (by taking the node that disables its health drain) and it's generally better than infernal shade

Really infernal shade might not provide much benefit for a zombie build, they don't really get affected by cast speed much

[sly forge]

in season 4, can you still let other classes like lich use legendary items with increased mana affix?

since in season 3, you can still let sentinel craft legendary items with increased mana affix, then pass the item to lich

can you still do so in season 4?

[viral belfry]

yeah I was just using it for the explosion at the End since I basicly just want to spam zombies all the time. But since Infernal Shade isn't a minion skill idk if the explosion is worth since it doesn't benefit from all my minion damage/crit

But then again if I unspec it I am missing a 5th skill again xD

[old hull]

Yeah, an eternal struggle lol

Maybe a fire golem would be nice to hold your dread shade?

[viral belfry]

That might be great, I had it setup to autocast on Volatile Zombie but I just realized that would drain my Mana way to quickly

altough since I have Grand Sacrifice in the Volatile Zombie Tree it would just sac the Golem at some point while spamming zombies hmm

[sly forge]

Hmm now thinking again

Maybe HS death knight is not a good choice vs uber

They will receive increased dmg from death rattle

And the lone watcher node of dread shade will make them receive even more damage

Unless they could deal a lot of dps

[gloomy skiff]

Hey, I have trouble deciding starter acolyte build between rip blood necro (following volca build) and skelepop necro (following pinchingloaf build)... Any advice on which has best potential ?

[patent drift]

by the way I wasn't following, have they fixed some of the scaling nodes not working if you spec it to be placed on enemies?

[old hull]

Wasn't that just the increased effect from missing health? If so, yeah I think that works now

[turbid kayak]

whats better zombies or abom build in s4

[autumn bough]

zombies better clear abom better at everything else

also 2 different masteries

[left whale]

Skele mage got some crazy buff, gonna try that this season

[turbid kayak]

Which is tankier?

i usually like being realy tanky

[pearl gulch]

i did some math on that, and wasnt too impressed with the dps

[autumn bough]

zombies oneshots 2+ screens around so thats more tanky if you play well, if not abom has way more raw ehp and also hides behnind summons

[vale jacinth]

Bone curse isnt little its 50% more bleed damage, and max burst is 50 bees but 20+ normally

[obtuse quest]

Did they fix the fact that bone curse's bleeds don't scale with it's generic nodes?

[autumn bough]

im scared of your new name but at least its not dps aod anymore

🙏

[quiet seal]

Okay, I cooked Cold Mages Crit version: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9J1z5EZ First pass, so I know I've made a few mistakes probably, would love some feedback

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,962, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 1,536.51, Regen: 16.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 337%, Regen: 146/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 11 Dex / 161 Int / 11 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 66% / 159% / 69% / 72% / 89% / 98% / 98%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,188
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,891)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[obtuse quest]

I had this since the start of last season

Cause of the relic

At least it does it's intended job! UNLIKE A CERTAIN SKILL

[pallid plume]

Hey gang, how is abomination necromancer without any of the skill swap stuff ?

If im just playing mages + skeleton + abom + buffs?

[pearl snow]

its your time to shine dude IGNITE AOD

[vale jacinth]

I think you are confused. We take merciless in bone curse. Thats it.

[obtuse quest]

Oh it's minions. My mistake

[obtuse quest]

I will not be lied to yet again

🔫

[pearl snow]

LOL

My Poison AoD lich made it to 500CR at least XD

you can farm worse than witchfire!

Also no notes about a bleed fix for Bone Curse so its prob still not amped by generic

I kinda wonder if Ignite CB is gunna actually do well with AoD doing Ignite and Fire Res Pen

[wintry flame]

fine

although I'd recommend swapping at least 1 skill to summon 6 zombies and then swap back so you can hit the 20 summon limit

[summer breach]

Did u ever make that leveling planner by chance

[wintry flame]

leveling planner for what?

[pearl snow]

Did anyone ask if the other nodes for Wandering Spirits now also convert for the Flames of Midnight ring? I saw patch notes on the Putrescence stuff but the Fire Shred / Damned Chance nodes didnt convert either

[azure dawn]

Did flame whips get a buff?

[pearl snow]

Flame Whips just properly convert now

And also swap targets if they go immune

QoL and new build setups basically

[azure dawn]

Uber viable?

[pearl snow]

It always was

Flame Whip was the first warlock uber build

[azure dawn]

nice the whips do look cool

[summer breach]

Profane oblation

[pearl snow]

Now youll be able to bleed whip or poison whip (though poison is not a poison hit)

[wintry flame]

oh no, I'd check out Loaf's guide

[summer breach]

Alright ty

[wintry flame]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/qxvx80ql#3

[pallid plume]

Nah we going full no swaps.

Im aiming for a whole no snapshot or swap necromancer option.

So im not sure if wairth lord or Profane mages is beter than no swap abomination

[azure dawn]

I didn’t play season 3 and in season 2 the whips were a meme but apparently I saw they’re pretty good now

[pearl snow]

I thought S1 was meme and S2 they got discovered. Either way, yeah that go HARD

Whips are super fun, just slow at mono clearing

[autumn bough]

thgis patch is zeckars fault

[pearl snow]

LOL

[wintry flame]

WHAT

[autumn bough]

[pearl snow]

I really hope someone forgot to be more detailed somehow for the Wandering Spirits patch notes. Am I crazy to think the ring only converting the Spirits Spectral Putrescence sounds incredibly incomplete

theres a couple nodes that only work with the fact that they poison when you pick up that node. I was hoping itd work with ignite after the swap etc since we do have that tech already

[brazen wigeon]

can wraithlord eat bees?

and is profane bloom for skeletal mages converted if you take fire/cold mages?

[obsidian glen]

Mana Flay lich didn't work without gear? What build on Lich should i play for starter to reroll into mana flay later?

[lost gale]

Does the ailment prolif on fissure initial hit interact with flame whips at all? It says modifiers to the fissure rather than the spirits work on the whips

could be a pseudo AOE thing, though I doubt ailments are close to the best way to play it

[lost gale]

yes but WL eating minions is very slow and you'll probably just be functionally stunlocking your WL by using it with bees

WL will eat every minion that isn't the wraiths it summons

[lost gale]

no

[wintry quarry]

Does the acolyte have any builds based around sequencing abilities for a big payoff?

[lost gale]

apocalyse zombies warlock

1. cast bone curse to summon bone walls (they're minions technically)
2. use profane veil to eat those bone walls and summon supercharged volatile zombies via the apocalypse node
3. detonate those supercharged volatile zombies with chaos bolts
4. cast curses to reduce the cooldown on profane veil in downtime
5. repeat

[wintry quarry]

Thank you, I must look into this

[lost gale]

@autumn bough posted an updated version for 1.4 in this channel in the last few days

[autumn bough]

i have mine in community builds and liz posted official both on maxroll

[autumn bough]

also check out profein veil it fits what u asked for

[wintry quarry]

I'm trying to see how far I can make every class into a faux-bladedancer

[lost gale]

Infernal Shades necro is sort of a combo build like that too, though it's largely automated

timing is really important

[wintry quarry]

The automated stuff makes me ree because it's so close to the idea but just short in execution

[lost gale]

you have to respond to the automated spell triggers appropriately to deal the amazing damage the build is capable of

the tl;dr is volatile zombies exploding triggers both infernal shades on the ground and sacrifice, a node in sacrifice makes infernal shades that already exist do massively more damage but have a dramatically reduced duration (2s IIRC). That's automated.
Then you cast dread shade to refresh the really short duration on the infernal shades to keep them going for longer, you can refresh them twice

[wintry quarry]

That could fit

[lost gale]

so yeah there are a few options

[autumn bough]

If you want maximum buttons/timing/payoff o can send you my infernal shade. Nedds 5 skills mashing and timing but payoff is 17 mil dps on actual uber( 2 ticks of 8-9mil)

And kills dummy in 10 seconds with proper rotation

[wintry quarry]

@autumn bough No, just knowing the possibility exists is good enough. I want to figure it out, now.

[autumn bough]

Well then play warlock or self cast necro. Maybe runemaster or flow rogue. Everything else is meh

[wintry flame]

if I had new HS Mage tech who would want to hear it?

[wintry quarry]

I'm trying to build one of each class. I already know I love flow bladedancer and I worked out a erasing strike+void cleave void knight

I'm working on the classes I think I'll hate the most, then circling back to bladedancer

[pearl snow]

what did you do now

[wintry flame]

pshh what you mean

[pearl snow]

Insider info the patch really is your fault

[wintry flame]

😮

okay my secret then

my bad I won't ruin anymore

[wintry quarry]

I want to do infernal shade, but I want to figure it out on my own

[pearl snow]

what the

I knew the real secret was going pyromancer archmage

you just throwing everyone off

[wintry flame]

no no that's troll

[pearl snow]

bro you cant call me out like this

my rip blood archmages kek

[wintry flame]

[wintry flame]

Necromantic Emanation is an uncapped node that has great synergy being able to spawn bees on potion use 🙂

can be 200%+ more multi

[pearl snow]

wait a second

[wintry flame]

😄

[pearl snow]

IT IS UNCAPPED AND IT SCALES FROM YOU

[wintry flame]

and bees can be immune for 4 secs soooo

spam spam spam = more dmg 😛 lets gooooo

[pearl snow]

I had a feeling when Agent specified it works off us that we may do some weird spawning stuff

Jungle Potions with bees slam

[wintry flame]

yuppp

[pearl snow]

yep

[wintry flame]

and you get regen lmao

easy defense babyyyy

[pearl snow]

ooo we get to dodge

I have been playing around with rip blood but we wont talk about that, this isnt worth it at all lmao

I think Ignite Lock might go a little nuts too IF and its a very BIG IF Wildfire is actually improved to the degree im hoping

[ashen bluff]

26 bees per 10s on idol corrupts right? <_<

[pearl snow]

bees on idols, bees on belt

bees on idol corruption maybe amplified by idol altar prefix / suffix??????????????

[quiet wolf]

Still wanna try a T8 bee affix on a Jungle Queen with a T7 max potions too. Just literally spam potions and make 152 bees.

Could be fun with Bone Curse and damage scaling on it. Or Bone Curse Bleed + Spirit Plague Bleed.

Funny thing too is the ward gain on minion death could be silly. Just need a way to effectively find potions. Could do a party with a Ballista I guess...

[ashen bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-time-gif-14813190

[lost gale]

coagulation machine gun from spamming rip blood on a swam of minions?

[quiet wolf]

With perfect T7 suffix and prefix rolls as well as +5 max corruption you can theoretically get 160% effect of idols in each refracted slot.

[quiet wolf]

Hmmmmmmm... could get 2 golems easily from tree, or get 3 easily from Aaron's. But issue is that you lose chest for bees. I suppose you could use the primal set ring then to complete them both and use Aaron's + belt.

I just don't know how fast your potion gain would be at only a 5% chance. Does potion chance scale that 5?

[ashen bluff]

I mean it'd just be an additional way to recover em, generally potions spawn quite well with any inc chance to find

[quiet wolf]

Just sucks to drop to only 9 potions slots vs. 19.

19 at boss spawn could potentially just nuke bosses anyways. 152 bees is silly, especially when they don't start ticking down for 4 seconds.

I suppose with enough potion chance you could probably get 4-5 each time a boss phase transitions.

[ashen bluff]

generally being able to set idols up for like... 27 bees base is kinda silly

~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olVX03xG

[quiet wolf]

Or you could just use relic and Queen then.

[vale jacinth]

5% seems too low unless ur scaling giga cast speed to double hit minion with two skills ripblood+marrow shards to ooze out bone nova so max to get is two so 10% per hit and pierce hit ability hmm maybe that idea could work

[quiet wolf]

New Sanguine Orb hits 6 times in 2 seconds.

[ashen bluff]

that's what 50 minions active before you spam potions

[ashen bluff]

yeah defo go blood golems

[vale jacinth]

I meant hitting bone golem to proc the bone novas

[ashen bluff]

twinned with sanguine that should generate

[quiet wolf]

Doesn't Bone Nova have to trigger when they are hit?

[vale jacinth]

Not at normal retaliation rate but its triple the chance when you hit them after taking betrayal

[quiet wolf]

6 second CD sucks though. At 6 second it is literally a wash. Unless you go all the CDR idols with bee corruption. But even then at only 110% effect with perfect rolls, even at 5 idols it would only be 264%.

That does take it down to a 1.64 CDR on Sanguine though....

Hmmmmm....

So that would be 10.2 ticks per second though.... seems like a decent way to spawn potions.

[pearl snow]

nah just using the splatter to give minions +15% dmg and then give me ward gen while everything is doing their little minion skills

oh and cast speed

was a vomit ignite setup

[ashen bluff]

pmuch yeah
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olVX03xG

[quiet wolf]

Less worried about the chance, more than cap at 1 second CDR. Literally only 3 per second. Even with 264% CDR the Snanguine does more procs with 3 golems.

And at that rate I just want potions, and purely potions. Lol.

[ashen bluff]

it'd also be something that's active for 3s after they cast it and then they hit regularly

[quiet wolf]

I thought it was 6 over 2 seconds?

[ashen bluff]

2 / 3 whatever

they throw it out it hits then they throw it out again and use their melee shit in between <_<

[lost gale]

If you curse them with penance they trigger a lot

[vale jacinth]

Are you arguing that 3 blood golems hits more on its own then two golems getting hit by giga cast speed and two skills at once?

[leaden hill]

How are acolytes this coming season? Haven't played since launch

[quiet wolf]

Hear me out..... bleed conversion.... forgo Bee Queen. 2 set Bee with Wep + Cata. Pebble Belt and Relic. Primal Bleed Gloves with splatter for clear...

Could only get 40-50 bees per burst of full potions vs. 152, but you could probably sustain clear for echoes way way more.

[vale jacinth]

Michelin level food cooking

[ashen bluff]

not more but hit plenty

[quiet wolf]

Honestly with potentially max 420%+ CDR for Mages and 320%+ for minions, Idol cooking has given way to some crazy stuff. And in Bees and it truly chef's kiss this season! 👌

[ashen bluff]

esp cos then I don't have to use rip blood or w/e

I'm not actually doing this build

like okay bee corrupts maybe on the regular mages build is worth

and bee set with legends is probably a very valid starter

[quiet wolf]

The version I wanted to go would be strictly curse and spell damage effect too. My thought it max their attack speed and frenzy effect as much as possible and then just ramp more % multipliers in Bone Curse to make any hits just nuke bosses. Like old school Bone Curse minion ball builds.

[brazen wigeon]

hm, bees sacrifice autobomber?

[quiet wolf]

That is why I was looking at 152 bees to just nuke.

Could do the Sacrifice too, lmfao... 152 bee sacrifice wave seems okay.... I guess.

Just a "few"...

[brazen wigeon]

RIP CPU

[lost gale]

if you curse a bone golem with penance then it should trigger 3x a second plus whatever it being hit does and it deals damage in a pretty big aoe too. No rip blood spam required per se

[brazen wigeon]

I wonder how much power skeletal mages got now

I guess their damage was buffed

[ashen bluff]

so you'd have to what penance pearls and bone curse affects minions?

[brazen wigeon]

I really like auto-reassembling skeletons and have mages blow em up

[quiet wolf]

Lmao, okay that does me me wanna commit to bees now...

I dont even care if it is good, I just wanna see how bad my computer will melt with almost 200 bees exploding in a chain.

[brazen wigeon]

death knights with this might be funny

along with mortar

which now does like 4x damage that it did before

[quiet wolf]

It is NOT good. It effects DoT and hit damage after yours. It hurts the damage so badly.

[ashen bluff]

I personally like the staff but I gotta admit its not worth

The less is just too high

[quiet wolf]

That 63% is horrid feeling.

[brazen wigeon]

but does it affect death knight hungering souls?

like they are fired in sequence?

[quiet wolf]

It effects your tree which in turn effects their tree.

[brazen wigeon]

or rather you would have each casting one huge skull

[ashen bluff]

they also removed the +6 projs or w/e from the DK HS node

so there's no point maxing for projs

when the +projs was there still I believe I mathed it out to being a decent option for dot stackin for ST

[quiet wolf]

They fire in sequence, but that 63% multiplier is done first before yours, so you lose out on 63% flat essentially, makes all your multipliers after just trash. Souls has a horrid DE for flat too, so it hits like a wet noodle.

The 63% effects base DoT as well, so again, all your scaling after sucks a lot more.

[ashen bluff]

if you wanna do hit dmg with souls you go for 1 big one yeah

[quiet wolf]

Do that and Aura of Decay to fire to make them have less fire res.

[ashen bluff]

yeah but it was like 6 mages casting 15 projs or whatever so that was kinda doing work

[quiet wolf]

They watch as they cast 1.1 CDR for 7 Mages... hehe.

[quiet wolf]

5 mages. But yeah still might be okay.

How many projectiles is max with that staff?

[brazen wigeon]

what is thing called that doubles mastery passive?

[ashen bluff]

uh... 9-11 if mana scalin for hit or not on hs

[quiet wolf]

?!

[ashen bluff]

then % chance for 6 extra that can be capped

so 15-17 per mage

[vale jacinth]

Yeah if you dont have to ripblood spam and have it more automated that bee best for qol

[brazen wigeon]

when bone curse is there for extra damage per hit?

could be funny warlock interaction

sometimes I wish I could make this work https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN2X677N

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 2,712, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 566.58, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 105%, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 14 Dex / 35 Int / 14 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 80% / 80% / 50% / 131% / 165% / 55%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 77%, Threshold: 705
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,933)
▸ Block Chance: 41%, Mitigation: 26% (480)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade / Summon Bone Golem

[quiet wolf]

So let's say it is average 11 souls per cast with 9 min but a 40% chance at 6 extra so make it 2 all the time.

35 damned damate at 7 times per cast = 245 damned damage.

12.95 damned damage (63% reduced) at 11 projectiles at 5 casts = 712.

Okay so I stand corrected... it does almost 3x more...

Damn... that might actually be worth trying!

At 3x damage, I didn't even think of the Spirit Plague too, triggering 55x per cast cycle.

[brazen wigeon]

there is also something that doubles mastery passive, so technicaly 6 mages?

[quiet wolf]

Link please if you find it!

[brazen wigeon]

don't forget mortar and this

[quiet wolf]

Either way 5 vs. 7 for single vs. sequence it is worth more.

[brazen wigeon]

from 6 sec CD to 3

[quiet wolf]

Yeah. That isn't in my calculations since it doesn't matter. It is in my calculations for the overall 1.1 CDR though.

[brazen wigeon]

also staff give -63% dmg but mages got also more damage per mana node with which you need like 200 mana to offset the staff

[ashen bluff]

the thing is tho you can get so much more scaling going from like good shield / catalyst + mana tithe

[brazen wigeon]

what do you mean my proccing spirit plague?

[quiet wolf]

Yeah, scaling will help, but that are scaling us available to all the builds, so I was just comparing the strict impact of the impact from the -63%.

[ashen bluff]

yeah as I said I'm a fan of the staff

[brazen wigeon]

I did the kaboom necromancer last season (mages blowing up skeletons) but mages damage sucked even when boosted heavily

[ashen bluff]

but its probably not worth it

[brazen wigeon]

it could not match abomination at all

but it was lot of fun

entire screen exploding and shaking

[leaden hill]

What is thee build for acolyte this upcoming season?

[brazen wigeon]

abomination?

[quiet wolf]

Also, you can do Bone Curse too...

[brazen wigeon]

maybe exploding bees with cruealty

cruelty

[ashen bluff]

wait doesn't the blood golems sanguine orb recover during effect <_<

[ashen bluff]

how much cdr do I need to give em to get that to sub 2s

[quiet wolf]

Legit that HS Death Blossom build with Curse of Perseverance might be clutch. Lol.

[brazen wigeon]

fire golems exploding skeletons could be decent?

this got buffed for CD recovery speed for more hungering souls lol

[quiet wolf]

......... at 5 mages with Curse of Perseverance and max CDR it is 50 hits per second with Mages and Death Blossom... wtf...

That is just Mages alone. Not to mention the multipliers are going to be insane then for mana scaling too.

I might have to go MG this league just to be able to buy my Idols I need, haha.

[ashen bluff]

meanwhile each zombie can easily vomit like 3k stacks of your choise of damned / ignite / poison per second

[tender halo]

do we think the idol affix will override isolation? or no

and if yes will it apply to mages too, or need to test both

[wintry flame]

no

[tender halo]

damn, back to trying to get hungering souls back to 0 cd for mages

[ashen bluff]

gettin em to 1s takes what 500% cdr

which I dont think is achievable

you can get is it 6 idols in refracted slots w 22% cdr roll

[tender halo]

ya i was gonna use that pluss the base 100% from

so afaik 100% brings souls from the mage to 3 sec down from 6

[ashen bluff]

formosus goes to 40?, tree is 100%

[tender halo]

ya it just sucks thats its cold damge too

[ashen bluff]

so perfect idol altar is like.. somewhere north of 400% total

[tender halo]

i dont think there is a way to convert hungering to cold

[ashen bluff]

which ends you at 1.2 ish I believe

[tender halo]

I'll have to test to see what feels good

But i need to make sure it can do enough damage to begin with tbh

[ashen bluff]

if you drop formosus its around 1.3s cd

if youre doing damnation anything below 2.5s is great, lets you maintain stacks

[tender halo]

my thought was the overpowered soul crit build from mages but idk if it can scale enough tbh

[ashen bluff]

if you go hs crit you go one big soul node

[tender halo]

ya that was my plan

then have all the mages casting it at the lowest possible cd with while stacking mana for damage scale

[ashen bluff]

zeckar did a good crit build dont have the link right now

[tender halo]

ill look it up

[quiet wolf]

Okay.....

My take on insanely janky ailment proc w/ Death Blossom and triggering ailments with tons of souls... about 50 per second...

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VX7dKP

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Necromancer (75) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,001, Regen: 213.3/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 70%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 9 Dex / 24 Int / 9 Att / 82 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 108% / 68% / 20% / 20% / 200% / 166%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 1,150
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (605)

Used skills:

Hungering Souls / Summon Skeletal Mage / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Transplant

[quiet wolf]

I need to fix res and def layers, but a base idea at least.

[vital verge]

FYI damage over time for you won't pass through to the minion on that ring

[ashen bluff]

yeah none of these are buffin the mages

also not doing mana scalin is leaving free multi on the table

[tender halo]

why do they lock egoism behind those two other awful nodes

[ashen bluff]

I know dks have a good base crit but not sure if thats like a global buff or just their melee

[quiet wolf]

I know, just using the ring to get ward for stacks.

That build is a total meme too. Just calling it "Opps! All Ailments!"

[nocturne viper]

was Dance with Death passive fixed, and now properly gives u the damage bonus?

[wintry flame]

if you're cold it overwrites the poison convert

[sly forge]

anyone know why mexroll recommend physical flame whip here?

I thought fire damage is good?

[pearl snow]

It is, but since its fixed now to actually convert properly and do Phys dmg they most likely are taking advantage of bleed. Bleed chance is way easier to get lots of compared to other ailment types

Both types will probably be able to go to Uber anyways

[sly forge]

well since most of dmg is from crit

why do we care about bleed?

[hidden sable]

the +1 level and movement speed belt is nice, phys aura of decay is nice, few other little things like that make phys cool

[pearl snow]

Fissure of Wrath in Fissure tree gives spell dmg per ailment chance its converted to

Whips get that spell dmg

your main spell damage all comes from your ailment chance

[sly forge]

let see

techninally it is easier to farm gear right?

[hidden sable]

being phys probably scales bone curse a ton too

[pearl snow]

I mean rng is rng and some bleed uniques are on the rarer side

[hidden sable]

fire gear is stupid easy because of soulfire bastion gear

[pearl snow]

so like not really about the same. Optimal rings might be way easier though

[sly forge]

otherwise in their gear I see that ignite is as easy as bleed

since their only bleed source in their gear is in their 2h sword

which can be replaced to ignite if you want

ah wait we have thorn slinger

which can be replaced by immolation belt for flat damage anyway

and we can receive 1.4 more dmg from thorn idol

[pearl snow]

there are so many ways to build it

[sly forge]

and I can use profane veil to apply bone curse

at least the old flame whip did so and soloed uberroth easily

[hidden sable]

uberroth has been powercrept hard

[sly forge]

so he is stronger in this season?

[hidden sable]

no builds have gotten stronger

[sly forge]

so uberroth will be easier to kill now?

well for flame whip I guess I will stick with my current fire version

which deals 1.4 more dmg and has immolation belt for flat spell dmg

and we can get a lot of idols with ignite chance too

[lusty heart]

ok, so ive picked my starter and got the recommendation to save my first spec for hungering souls. i tried it and that aint it for me chief so how do you all prefer to go from 1-20?

[pearl snow]

Rip Blood is usually easy

[lusty heart]

splatter, arcane absorbsion, bleed?

[pearl snow]

just bleed is fine. you just use your minions alongside you as you unlock them to help out

[lusty heart]

will have to test it out

[night hemlock]

Spirits is usually my go to if that still works

Just keep running and drop spirits as you go

Rip Blood for spell damage

[lusty heart]

i got time to give that a shot too. CDR to start then grab damage/speed?

[dense crow]

Is Spine of Malatros actually decent now? It always felt like such garbage.

But now I'm trying to put together a witchflame build and am thinking about using it: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL09w1KW (the bonus skills is obviously aspirational, with a +3/3/3 spine of malatros, but still have the general idea on the build)

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (10) / Warlock (83)

General:

▸ Health: 1,485, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 161.51, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 154%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 57 Int / 2 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 236% / 39% / 39% / 104% / 39% / 137% / 62%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 297
▸ Armor Mitigation: 9% (205)

Used skills:

Aura Of Decay / Ghostflame / Wandering Spirits / Profane Veil / Chthonic Fissure

[pearl snow]

Yes, Spine / Flame whips has been uber viable since season 2.
There is a massive downside to including it in witchfire

Your weapon is usually wanted for curse damage

as a more multiplier

[dense crow]

True. Shame.

That one set weapon, right?

[pearl snow]

yep Sinathia's

Ive got a written guide I recently updated

Though it could be done where you just use Witchfire for clear in monos

that does smooth out a lot

[dense crow]

I skipped a couple of seasons, so was curious of whips would be good. But I guess yeah I'd be splitting the diff, going witchfire and spire.

[pearl snow]

Mono clearing is SUPER rough

on whips

[dense crow]

Ooh, then maybe that's not too bad

[pearl snow]

all whips are single target

so you kinda just murder everything 1 at a time

[dense crow]

cause yeah I just like the idea of running around with aura of decay on and spreading witchfires

[pearl snow]

If you wanted to phys convert you can use the Carrion gloves to get AoE explosions too

[dense crow]

Sliding around ghostmode, spreading witchfire, ignites and damned. Then also fissure every now and then it's needed.

Assuming I can sustain ghostflame. It looks like it got increased mana costs since last I played it.

[pearl snow]

Ghostflame is pretty hard to sustain unless you dedicate idols to it as well

[dense crow]

Hm, I see. Then maybe something else. Is there any other 'auto' way to get your damneds out, for witchfire?

The other option I figured was to use fissure for traversal skill I suppose.

[pearl snow]

well you need to proc overloads so you need some way to get like 20 stacks of either first before the next cast will then create overload buffs

[dense crow]

Oh, whoops. Yeah darn I guess I gotta cast something then

[pearl snow]

I used Chaos Bolts, others have gone Hungering Souls, but all in all its usually a whole thing of cast first a few times

then run with Witchfire

BUT with AoD now

you just need Damned stacks

unfortunately I dont think it hits so you cant full automate

[dense crow]

Yeah. Hm. And crap I just noticed that malatros converts fissure from Necrotic/fire to full fire.

[pearl snow]

Yep

If you wanted your idea, Id look into phys convert with Carrion

[dense crow]

Carrion?

[pearl snow]

replaces witchfire for clear and you dont have as much clashing for resources

yeah lemme link it

it gives your kills bleed explosions

could help a bit

[craggy flax]

anyone know if the Abomination Destruction Engine Bug was ever fixed? (where the Abom would sometimes sacrifice itself)

[pearl snow]

I thought it was last season in a hotfix somewhere

[dense crow]

Oh that does look fun. Though, what's the single target option there?

[pearl snow]

Still Whips

but in S4 they now actually convert to phsyical

[dense crow]

Oh cool

[pearl snow]

so you can stack Bleed Chance and with carrion other types will convert to Bleed

[dense crow]

Yeah I saw that, which sounds pretty solid.

Gonna still try the fire whips/witchfire first. If I can manage the ghostflame mana, I can just tap it when I need to, to trigger the witchfire.

Or I guess walk around like a SCHLUB, and just use ghostflame as needed.

Shoot, with that build, I don't even have a readily appliable curse to get my haste x_x

[pearl snow]

fissure is the curst basically

I think torment still applies

I forgort

[dense crow]

Oh does it? I know it said it replaces ghosties with whips

I just assumed torment no longer happens

[pearl snow]

let me double check im updating my loot filter in game so its an easy check

[dense crow]

Otherwise, my only sources of curse I can do at will are veil and desecrate from ghost flame, but that second one seems especially awkward to do lol

[pearl snow]

No torment, but if you grab acid skin on the tree that works

[dense crow]

Oh sick

[pearl snow]

that one

[dense crow]

Yeah I've got that on there, but mostly only because with spine, you have like a million skill points and half aren't applicable to fissure when using it lol

[pearl snow]

true, though Acid Skin makes it crit viable

[dense crow]

Yeah, seemed pretty solid of a choice for a single point

[tender halo]

league start i cooked up dunno how viable it is https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/bc5k1d0i

[fading topaz]

Lich or Warlock, I cant decide which one to start this season😵‍💫 😵‍💫

[tired tendon]

The one you think is more fun?

[lusty heart]

holy smooth. like butter

[wintry quarry]

Why does no one seem to use Chthonic Fissure for surfing?

[obtuse quest]

Surfing?

You mean the movement node?

The one that has such a horrible cooldown that transplant is leagues better?

[wintry quarry]

Yea, on the face of it I don't see a way to reduce its cooldown

But I far prefer this over the ugly dual fissuring that everyone seems to do

[obtuse quest]

That's because it makes it do DOUBLE things

[wintry quarry]

The dual fissure looks like you're about to rip open a butthole

[obtuse quest]

When you can only generally have one

Double DPS is no joke

[wintry quarry]

Naw, miss me with that

I'd rather just go with the one that lets you have more than one fissure at a time

[obtuse quest]

3 fissures at 50% efficency

Which is technically worse than double fissure

[wintry quarry]

I believe Chaos Bolt has a node that lets you lengthen the duration of each fissure

So that could be fun

You go around painting fissures and then try to keep them up as long as you can

[obtuse quest]

That requires you to directly cast it, yes

[wintry quarry]

That sounds fun

[obtuse quest]

For auto setups, that is L

[wintry quarry]

There is no such thing as a bad fissure, only happy accidents

Let's go paint

[obtuse quest]

And tbf you're still extending 150% fissure comapred to 200% fissure

SO if we're talking about meta wise...

[wintry quarry]

I knew you would say that

[obtuse quest]

300% mana comapred to 180% mana as well!

[wintry quarry]

There's something I learned from playing my Void Knight though

[obtuse quest]

Sunderer's use case is that you want that fissure DoT (and don't care about spirits) very badly, or are playing hit fissure.

[wintry quarry]

Abyssal Echoes has one of those typical nodes that require you to cast it directly, I believe it's Nether Coating. You have to cast Abyssal Echoes directly to gain the buff

Void Cleave has a node that makes you cast Abyssal Echoes after Void Cleaving

The Nether Coating did actually proc after casting AE via VC

So "direct" casting is a bit looser than we think

[obtuse quest]

TO be fair, it says "You cast"

[wintry quarry]

Yea

[obtuse quest]

MOST procs do not use this wording.

[wintry quarry]

Yup

[obtuse quest]

Chaos Bolts from Fissure doesn't use this wording.

[wintry quarry]

Yup

[obtuse quest]

Nor does it work because I have tried it.

[wintry quarry]

Too bad. I'll probably try it myself anyway

[obtuse quest]

o7

[half bone]

wraithlord vs abom?

[pearl snow]

Both are great, Abom has killed Uber wraithlord has not, but Wraithlord pushes higher CR im pretty sure

[pearl snow]

forgot to hit reply

[half bone]

killed uber?

[pearl snow]

Uberroth aka uber Abberoth

[half bone]

how come wraithlord hasnt?

i want to be able to clear everything possible

[pearl snow]

I forget but wraithlord has pushed like 10k corruption but never Uber Abby. You could probably find the real answer somewhere in this channel

[half bone]

abom hmm

thats without whatever snapshotting is or whatever?

[wintry flame]

Abom smokes Wraithlord lmao

[pearl snow]

At this point I dont think snapshotting or not really matters. Obviously you do more dmg with whatever you could do

All I remember about Wraithlord is that one guy pushing to 10k

post 1.0

[half bone]

didnt seem so s0/1

thats when i played last though

[pearl snow]

it got taken out to the back alley and shot since then im pretty sure

[half bone]

its the same playstyle though right?

1 big minion

[pearl snow]

Abom? yeah

havent played it, just know the landscape

[half bone]

and now i heard of some queen bee thing

[pearl snow]

new bee set for S4

its all speculation

[half bone]

wonder if it could compare

sounds cool

[pearl snow]

This is the only game where I still manage to play the same class every league and still manage to spend over 3 hours on loot filters

save me

[obtuse quest]

IIrc, because unlike abom, wraithlord can't survive hits

Glasscannon

[half bone]

sad

[obtuse quest]

In a theoretical perfect play, wraithlord could kill uber, but we're not robots or scripters

[half bone]

so i never seen regular or uber

abom has no issue with either?

[obtuse quest]

Nope.

[pearl snow]

ABom is the only minion build on Aco to kill I think isnt it?

[half bone]

and beastmaster?

[obtuse quest]

He did say "On Acolyte"

[pearl snow]

[obtuse quest]

No clue about primalists

[half bone]

im asking if any beastmaster builds have killed it

[pearl snow]

im genuinely a warlock 1 trick wherever I go

[half bone]

i see

[pearl snow]

gotta askt he primalists

Also Kzb I did the math Wildfire is more dps for Witchfire over Primordial T8 with the new buffs. But even then im not crazy enough to recommend it

conservative added global ignite is like 200% lmao

[ashen bluff]

when lock got added I had both
thats when fissure movement went over terrain
it was so fun

[wintry quarry]

Wish there was a reason to surf forward

[ashen bluff]

crit but not taking multi nodes on necro? with the rings and other base crits you should be able to lower your inc investment and go for more multipliers
eg. on skele mage nix couple points off the leech and get gravetide (you can use frost lich too)
on dread shade you really dont need the mana efficiency could make it buff yourself
theres nodes on chaosbolt that let you buff your minions with more flat dmg per mana

[ashen bluff]

what reason do you need other than to hit these gnarly waves brah

[wintry quarry]

Wish you could channel a laser while surfing

[ashen bluff]

was thinkin of making a wildfire hit fissure build, no spine no spirits just spam that hit

test, msg not sending

[old hull]

I can't hear it

[hushed dew]

necromancer's 50% innate minion dmg multiplicative?

[ashen bluff]

It's increased not more

[hushed dew]

rip

so meaningless

[ashen bluff]

You want sources of inc to multiply

[hushed dew]

you'll get 1200~1500% additive bucket after all

50% doesn't sound attractive at all tbh

[pearl snow]

Wildfire with fissure is weird. I saw people saying it just ignored fissure last league others saying it was bugged. I’d be curious to see it working properly

[ashen bluff]

You don't really pick masteries for their base passive

[pearl snow]

My best use for it has been with HS

[ashen bluff]

Wildfire was in general very bugged afaik

Also just bad to use on a lot of skills even when it worked

[pearl snow]

true

[sly forge]

It was always increased

Which I find pretty useless since you will get 1000+ anyway

[obtuse quest]

Most innate's are like this no? Half of it is important/useful and the other half is peepeepoopoo

[ashen bluff]

theres a lil powercreep

old ones are more niche and relatively weak

newer ones give multis / scaling vectors

[hushed dew]

More damage on enemies (conditional, from firestarter's torch and laddle ) works on minions?

guess not, but there was no subject on the tooltip

[ashen bluff]

if it doesn't say for minions it doesn't affect minions

[obtuse quest]

If it doesn't say minions, it doesn't affect minions. One of the golden rules of LE.

[hushed dew]

such minion haters

disgusting

[primal remnant]

hey fellow undead lovers !
I was wondering how ghostflame's Feast of Bones and splinter nova were interacting

as splinter nova doesn't target, does this setup ignores the "1 max marrow shards per second per target" limit, or does the second nova each second deal no damage to enemies that were hit by the first one ?

[lost gale]

I think that means that each enemy can only trigger the effect once per second, so you need multiple targets to reach the overall proc limit, but any triggered novas should hit everything in range

[primal remnant]

by the way, does the cast frequency from Fuel of Anguish affect the limit per target as well, or only the generic 2 casts per second ?

[lost gale]

I think it should improve the proc limit

for both single and multiple targets

3.2 casts/s isn't that much really

[primal remnant]

that's my guessing as well, but the wording is unclear

thank you for both our answers 🙂

[ashen bluff]

feast of bones states a max limit of 2 in general

[lost gale]

Feast of Bones 0/1
Damaging an enemy with Ghostflame causes you to cast Marrow Shards towards them.
This effect can occur a maximum number of times each second.
Max Marrow Shards per second: 2
Max Marrow Shards per second against 1 target: 1

Fuel of Anguish 0/3
Increases the frequency of Marrow Shards per second from the Feast of Bones node.
Improves the Marrow Shards' base critical strike chance cast this way.
Marrow Shards frequency: +20% per point
Crit Chance per 100 missing Health: +1% per point

Increased Frequency only makes sense if it's increasing that limit.

[ashen bluff]

Still hard capped at 3 total from having 3 targets hit with ghostflame is what I meant I thought you were implying higher limit is reachable with more targets

[lost gale]

ah well my thinking is that at 3/3 it goes to 1.6 per second per target and 3.2 total

but it could be 1 per target and 3.2 max

[ashen bluff]

it does speed up how often per target but I believe adding more targets than 2 doesn't do anything

[hidden sable]

physical ghostflame is nice because it doesnt split 50/50 between necro and fire, and phys aura of decay

but the marrow shard nodes kinda suck imo I could never get them to compare to just scaling the dot of the ghostflame

id expect it to be gass because rip blood is autobombing, marrow shards are autobombing, and infernal shade zombies are autobombing from ring, but it kinda sucks

[ashen bluff]

might as well go witchfire instead that least sclaes madly

enabling automation but lacking more multis / additive flat

[lost gale]

witchfire is not good imo. The fairly unique way it scales makes doing witchfire plus XYZ pretty worthless and witchfire itself just doesn't have single target

zombies triggering floor shades is my preferred low effort/automated good AOE build

destruction engine abom would be if that was working

who knows, maybe they've actually fixed it now

[ashen bluff]

? witchfire is goated af

[autumn bough]

"""Goated"""" F tier compared to any good acolyte build

[ashen bluff]

Personally gonna go for a minion damnation stacker build this time the mana stackin for mages / zombie too good

[autumn bough]

People get what 3-5 mil dps on it uf lucky? At least i didnt see anything even 10 mil on witchfire

And abom is like 90 mil dps, warlock 50+

😑

[obtuse quest]

Unless you're already going for a fire dot or necrotic dot setup, witchfire is just L to mix with

[ashen bluff]

I only now realized the dread shade node on Zombies lets you
a) get the shade buff at lvl 16
b) get dread shades outside of necro in general

[obtuse quest]

It'll be the base dread shade at that point, but yes

[ashen bluff]

Yeah ofc

+10 flat and 50% inc is quite decent for your zoo at start of monos tho

[quiet wolf]

Witchfire is for clear quality and ease til about 800cc. For bosses most of the value of that build comes from having 350+ damned on hit and 350+ ignite on hit with stuff like Chaos Bolts that can hit so fast.

Most of the scaled damage is 400+ damned stacks and 800+ ignite stacks and scaling those. WF is a joke. I just find it funny they are so scared to scale something like that when they have Ballista Falconer that literally does a magnitude of damage more.

[twin pagoda]

I wasn't there for season 3. Flay Mana lich wasn't a thing back in Season 2. How does it hold up defensively compared to the Sentinel builds? From what I can tell, it should be somewhere between Warpath VK and Judgement Paladin. I haven't ever played a lich and thus am not familiar with its nodes/reaper form so it's a bit hard to judge for me.

[lost gale]

it has low max hit compared to robust sentinel builds but excellent recovery. Corrupted form means leech doesn't end at 'max' health

[quiet wolf]

It is decent. It is mostly for single target clear. Flay just doesn't clear insanely easy like other builds can. Most people have put it lower on the list due to the slower clear it has. You can't just push 1 button and clear and entire screen or 2 like you can with other builds.

It can be pretty tanky though.

It is definitely not a normal playstyle compared to other Acolyte builds. Feels more like playing a janky Rive.

[twin pagoda]

Thanks for the tips. I thought it was quite good at clearing considering Excoriation from Army of Skin boots that give a good amount of area to Flay?

Janky Rive. hmm, that makes me pause for a moment. I really enjoyed Fissure warlock in Season 1, which I personally felt wasn't janky at all.

I'm planning on playing for at least a month on one character so playing a janky build is probably not what I should be doing 😆

[ashen bluff]

god s1 fissure lock was peak

[autumn bough]

Sadly unspecced shade doesnt do anything really

Maybe some shade abuse

Cause u can get a lot of flat aoe

From the swt gloves

But need to actually test in game

I can see explody shade variation with zombies just for buffs

[quiet wolf]

Curious if this could be used to automate the Shade part for Lich Scorn. Could spec into another minion then maybe?

[vivid valve]

So abomination build has poor clear?

Oh wait I just saw the rotation set up ...do I have to do that every new map 💀 🤣

This flay reaper looks really cool but then I saw two red rings lol nope nvmind

[quiet wolf]

Yeah. Flay is good, but agreed. I hated the playstyle.

[ashen bluff]

That's top end setup dw about it

[ashen bluff]

I'd still spec into shade

[vivid valve]

Yeah but the other builds I'm looking to main uses easy to get rings as aspirational I really hated not getting that last season

Do I have to set the abom up every map

I might go abom

I don't mind slower clears. I like easy gameplay and very tsnkyness

[ashen bluff]

Nah only if you change monoliths

[vivid valve]

What if I to to sell something at mg

Go to

[ashen bluff]

Mapping time is mapping time, shopping time is shopping time

[vivid valve]

So I would have to redo it all? How long does the process take

[autumn bough]

No?

[tacit plinth]

Honestly abomination set up doesn't suck anymore when you dont die often

[autumn bough]

You summon abom once and gg. Just dont die or log out

[night hemlock]

The clear is okay, but it’s nothing crazy

[tacit plinth]

And you should definitely try mana flay lich if you haven't that stuff is Hella more fun that 99% builds this game has

[night hemlock]

It is primarily a bosser though for sure

[night hemlock]

I got bored of it pretty quick tbh

[tacit plinth]

Yeah i dont like mapping abo and bear,its the uber killers

[autumn bough]

It might be crazy this patch with stomp setup. We can now have 1 sec cd on it ,whichbdevs desperatly wanted to avoid

[vivid valve]

I'll probably do abom.

[tacit plinth]

Maybe you i played 1.3 on it nothing more fun than that for me reminds me of old static orb build