💀┃acolyte

[grim field]

which idol comes with ignite chance for minions?

does the carrion gloves have the convert to bleed for minions to?

[pearl snow]

No

[pearl snow]

I think its the 2x1 ones. You can check on LET or Tunklab

[grim field]

having issues scaling my ignite on zombies(they just dont go fast enough to make huge ignite stacks) they are exploding for 20-30k on hit tho lol

so was thinking i might swap them to a ignite wraith setup instead

problem is i dont have the idols for it'

minion dmg doesnt seem to do much for the ingite

[echo nexus]

Isnt attack speed better though?

[carmine harbor]

I know getting some ATK speed on your weps can be good. But after noobzor made sure I got shred armour on hit my uber kills got so much quicker

[echo nexus]

Fortunately this morning ive been blessed on my first slam with the last exalt I had, so I can try both when I finished farming the rest of the gear. What I am wondering: I thought armor shred only affects physical damage, while mana flay is primarily necrotic damage. So how does armor shred make such a big difference for you?

[carmine harbor]

because alot of mana flay players are also using marrow shards this is phys not necrotic so the armour shred helps that do more dmg is my understanding. if noobzor is around he could fact check me.

[coarse hinge]

Any input on which minion mode is most effective?

[lost gale]

depends on the minion

aggressive skele rogues seem to wander a bit too far in monos maybe, get spread out and not benefit from dread shade etc

abom and golem stay close no matter what

[charred ridge]

armor shred affects every damage type

58% more dmg for non-phys, 80?% for phys

[coarse hinge]

Today is the lucky day 🙂

[tawdry storm]

Hey ya'll. Recently started playing (a week or so) and it's my first this kinda of game since Diablo 3.

I decided to go with this build https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide#loot-filter-header and been having troubles getting past 640 something corruption. I got every piece with good rolls except the fkn dumbass Red ring of altaria (Got a good substitute for now atleast).

I've been wondering if I should try out another build. Any advice? I really like the Flay speed-mechanic where you just speed through maps but would like something that survives and lets me climb up a bit more without dying to a single shot :)

[lost gale]

try sentinel warpath maybe?

it's the very definition of just zooming through maps

[tawdry storm]

Leveling a new character

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-damn-it-not-again-darn-it-really-gif-17109726

Oh do gifs not work, mb mb

[lost gale]

well you can craft twink gear pretty easily with account wide materials and go straight to monoliths when you reach the end of time if you like

get a few levels then speedrun the campaign to get skill points & idol slots

[rich stag]

What is your main issue do you think?

Making a new build isn't a bad idea as you can experience different playstyles but 680 corruption is pretty good actually. Epsecially for a new player.

[tawdry storm]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Kallzor/character/laddblatte

This is my character. Trying to find red ring currently and then find good Exalted weapons that I can slam into my 2-3LP weapons i've gotten.

[rich stag]

CoF or MG?

[tawdry storm]

CoF ofc

;)

[rich stag]

Do you know about FrozenSentinel?

[tawdry storm]

What's that?

[rich stag]

Content creator, look him up on YouTube

He does God's work when it comes to CoF

[tawdry storm]

Oh, yea I saw the imprint video he made. It's really good

Any other specific ones you'd say are curcial to watch?

[rich stag]

Look up his CoF guide, he does into all the details and has a whole spreadsheet

[lost gale]

I think it's in a video but idk which one, but the tl;dr is for a sweet spot of convenience & efficiency when doing prophecies use the monolith-only and non-monolith only greater lenses which reduces the kinds of prophecies that can roll down to a few very generic ones

so you can complete prophecies for killing rune prison mages, bosses etc more efficiently

[jovial lily]

Someone can analyze this build for me? I follow it blindly but i'm starting questionning the items .. like the amulet is this really that powerful ? I try to drop it and i found nothing, should i can go for another amulet and still be really powerful or not ?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALPvjakA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 5,379, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 203, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 175%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 58 Int / 8 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 78% / 58% / 76% / 98% / 102% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 1,076
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,624)

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Transplant / Infernal Shade / Dread Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie

This build has a guide:

Wraithlord Necromancer Endgame Build Guide! Now Tankier With 12K+ Ward! by Action RPG

[rich stag]

I wouldn't recommend following anything blindly personally

[jovial lily]

I did my own build, killed abberoth so i wanted to try something new on the same character, but my own build was 100x stronger than the one i follow right now, i don't have these specifically item that's why i'm doubting

[rich stag]

I know a guy called Keeper used to maintain a wildly accepted guide for Wraithlord

Not sure if it is relevant anymore though

[rich stag]

Wraithlord is a strong build but I haven't messed with in personally in the last 2 seasons I don't personally use guides or typically keep up with the meta so I couldn't really say

It looks fine, it's clearly not a finished build though

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer

[stuck owl]

Keeper's Wraithlord Necromancer Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class

Acolyte / Necromancer

Used skills

• Infernal Shade
• Dread Shade
• Transplant
• Bone Curse
• Summon Wraith

Used unique items

• Wraithlord's Harbour
• Exsanguinous
• Usurper's Mandate
• Blood of the Exile
• Death Rattle
• Ambitions of an Erased Acolyte

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Arena / Minions

Created by keeper184 · Feb 20, 2025, 1:21 PM

[rich stag]

This is the build people used to follow but it doesn't seem to have been updated

Probably still a decent reference point though

[jovial lily]

Thanks you

I didn't found the build when you say "keepers" x) i'm gonna read

[rich stag]

It wont be optimal now as it doesn't seem like it has been updated for the last 2 seasons

I would probably use the new T-Rex Relic and the Rift Beast Amulet instead of what he uses

But all in all it's a decent reference point

[jovial lily]

I got the t-rex relic and beast amulet from my previous build .. damn i'm happy you say that i just can eqquiped them, this relic and amulet is painful to drop for real, 4% chance and only when "unique or set drop" echoes is hard

[rich stag]

Not sure if the T-Rex would be optimal actually come to think of it

Probably would tbh as it's still a +3 skills

[jovial lily]

He got killed by the wraithlord, but get +3

[rich stag]

Yeah

You also wouldn't necessarily need to run Userper's Mandate either and could use Call of the Grave instead

You would lose a good amount of flat damage though

[jovial lily]

The inheritance of the erased can be good ? or having 1/3 chance to buff my wraithlord and not the 2 little wraith is too big ?

[rich stag]

If you got a decent one it could be good yeah

The Frenzy wouldn't matter as you have a different source of that already I think

Much easier to get a good Evolutions End though

[odd pasture]

Warlock is dogsh** this season, there ist No fun or strong build

[rich stag]

Fun is subjective so I can't really help with that but Profane Veil and Torment Warlock are decent options

You could probably do something with Infernal Shade too?

Is Flame Whip still a thing?

That was really good last season idk how it was affected if at all this patch

Witchfire as well might be worth looking into, again not sure how patch notes affected it though

In any case, Warlock has options

[pearl snow]

^ everything he said. Flame Whip still rocks and Witchfire got even stranger this league with T8s

[jovial lily]

I have one legendary potential, i should put minion cast speed on it ? or + level wraith

[rich stag]

• level I would say

[brave hearth]

Any tips on keeping abom locked into Uber during the fight or do I have to dodge buff and press a all the time?

I can get him to 50% maybe a quarter of the time and it takes a few minutes to resummon everything so pretty annoying. Probably need to do better dodging but it feels like I'm doing something wrong

[rich stag]

Press A

[old hull]

Press A on uber one time should keep it locked pretty much permanently.
If you have a leashing issue, just swap to aggressive AI stance.

[rich stag]

Also use the new AI

[brave hearth]

Oh what's the new ai?

[rich stag]

Press 2 by default

Changes minion AI

[brave hearth]

Bruh thank you

Wish me luck lol

[slim niche]

warlock flamewhip is really good this season, t8 on chest for "spirit release speed" or whatever it is makes it like a machinegun that hits around 60-70k per hit on 1000 corruption and perma stuns bosses so you are kinda immortal

it's propably one of the most absurd builds there is, as it completely shuts down game mechanics

[gritty cargo]

ghostflame is more absurd

fastest movespeed in the game, cannot be killed, hold 1 button, watch screen die

[rich stag]

How fast does it get?

[slim niche]

hmm, I was mocking about with ghostflame just the other day, could not figure it out tbh

[rich stag]

Faster than 300%?

[slim niche]

do you have a planner or a video maybe?

[gritty cargo]

need to stack all the more multis

if you didnt use the chariot boots it was probably bad

[gritty cargo]

yeah, it snapshots the chronowarp movespeed from wrongwarp

its goofy

[lost gale]

huh, I guess you could snapshot sacrificial embrace with ghostflame too

or do you already do that?

[obtuse quest]

I need peter to make a build link/guide so whenever someone asks about ghostflame I can just link it

[lost gale]

I think sentinel can snapshot chronostasis with healing hands

[rich stag]

Dammit Peetah

[pearl snow]

just let him mysteriously state its broken af periodically lol

[obtuse quest]

Like I can see it being good for just being unkillable, but I really can't tell where the damage comes from

[lost gale]

700% damage effectiveness per second with sacrificial embrace's 200 flat void could do some damage I think

but it's probably not that good

[old hull]

I snapshotted ghostflame with death seal on a LL build back in the day to casually double its damage

it still did 0 damage

I don't remember seeing any new tech that would enable it to really pop off, but maybe there's a combination of things or a bug, idk

[pearl snow]

All I remember is last league Peter was claiming how it was completely bonkers but it was some incredibly stupid snapshot setup from my understanding

[slim niche]

well, if it relies on snapshotting then it is not for me, I dont enjoy that at all 🙂

[versed shell]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this: Does damage conversion from the skill tree apply to global sources as well? Like, if I convert Poison to Fire on Zombies, do +% Poison Chance sources from items and the passive tree get converted to Fire as well?

Oh, wait, duh doy, I did a dumb. It sounds like it does.

But wait, does that include the Poison Stacks from Sudden Putrescence?

[obtuse quest]

Notice that those are stacks, not chance.

[versed shell]

Awww. I was afraid of that. =(

[obtuse quest]

You'll still use that node for tthe area and damage.

[versed shell]

Is it worth it to detonate them early and miss out on the Fire Vomit damage?

[obtuse quest]

Vomit? Doing damage?

[versed shell]

Well, the 200% DoT stacking from the base skill node. Plus I assume the tick damage.

[obtuse quest]

While kindling gives a x1.35 and x1.75 more multiplier?

[versed shell]

And maybe they both benefit from Global Ignite/Poison stacks?

Oh. Right. That's a good point.

And is it worth picking up bonus damage nodes? Or is my personal damage going to be essentially trivial if I go ham on minions? Haven't gotten to endgame yet, so I'm not sure what the game thinks about hybrids.

[obtuse quest]

Acolyte hybrid is... not that good.

Beastmaster can realistically do it well, but for acolyte it's eh.

[versed shell]

Bummer.... =(

[obtuse quest]

You can certainly try, as long as you're not expecting much.

[versed shell]

I'm sure I'll dabble a bit in that eventually. As for right now, I'm gonna just stick with playing it safe. Not gonna get too fancy with it right out the gate.

[brisk elk]

Does being devoured by the abomination count as dying for minions

[brisk elk]

If you want zombies to do lots of damage i would consider going warlock with profane veil

You can make 5 zombies that get 5% more dmg and area per intelligence

And it will "feel" like you're casting the dmg because you make them and explode them manually

With 200 int, one zombie does the dmg of 11 in a much bigger area, so a necromancer would have to summon and manually detonate 11 zombies per second for equivalent damage

SMK on youtube has a planner for it

[versed shell]

Ooooo. Very interesting....

Do they have the 6 Zombie limit that the original skill has? The tooltip makes me think they're the exception.

[queen hawk]

are there any gear or skill modifier or something else that can make you cast cthonic fissure further away?

[lost gale]

yes, they're still zombies and you need to spec them appropriately for best results

[pearl snow]

no, the only thing you can do is have 2 active, or a super long one, or increase spirit Frequency

[versed shell]

Okay, bet. Thanks!

Man, I am so stoked about this. This is exactly what I wanted for my character.

[coarse hinge]

Exploding minions are great fun 🙂

[versed shell]

I love zombies, man. I'm so glad they're a thing here.

[tiny dirge]

hi whats the best t8 or prim for mana flay lich?

[carmine harbor]

only primal thing we use is the relic reliquary nest

[tiny dirge]

thank you sir

[tiny dirge]

and which helmet? seed?

also should i try to slam %mana and mana from rogue then swap

[carmine harbor]

Yeah I'm using seed and I slammed % mana on it

[void sorrel]

Do u guys use necrotic zombies ?

[mint sluice]

is there anyone play warlock this season ?

[pearl snow]

There are some playing it

Most are playing Lich

[mint sluice]

flay lich is OP but I wanna build different 😅

[pearl snow]

Plenty of builds in Aco that are good enough for anything but Uber

[mint sluice]

and I'm tryna get an uber one 😂 in fact I did tried some previous builds from last season and upgraded it but none can kill uber as easy as flay lich

[pearl snow]

The only warlock uber killer has been Flame Whip

This league may be a little harder due to bugs being fixed

Flame Whip can probably still do it with enough gear

[mint sluice]

ok I'm gonna give it a try,ty for recommendation

[mint sluice]

this one right?

[pearl snow]

yeah. As far as primordials go, you can try doing T8 on the ring for ignite chance. Maybe the new reliquary relic instead. Could potentially do some T8 on hands

[mint sluice]

can we replace 1 reforged ring by this one?

I see there are 2 invoker ring in that planner

[little wigeon]

You aren't going for the invoker set bonus so no. You just want the ignite line

Could also go for T8 spirit frequency for more whips (although then no exsang so maybe not)

[pearl snow]

^ what he said

[pearl snow]

You cant slam the T8 and for Uber warlock low life is probably your best bet defensively unfortunately.

[little wigeon]

Yea I realized that and edited after I said it haha

[pearl snow]

One day maybe Warlock will stack fat STR and VIT lol

[little wigeon]

I ran it in the previous season, I wonder how it fairs now

[pearl snow]

The main difference I saw was that we lost a lot of random flat dmg from the Singularity abuse

[little wigeon]

We lost quite a bit with the changes to leech dmg

[pearl snow]

adn leech

[little wigeon]

Yea I was running sing haha

[pearl snow]

I dont even think the leech is worth the invest anymore

[mint sluice]

how about this one?

[little wigeon]

Caps your ward unfortunately

[pearl snow]

Astral can also be good yes. You need a lot of HP to make it better than exsang

deep in endgame it might be something

but a T8 ignite chance on rings just adds so much base dmg

if anything Reliquary may be more compettitive damage wise

[little wigeon]

I guess Astral could free up boots/experimental on gloves maybe but yea doing that for the sake of dmg meh

[pearl snow]

Freeing up experimental on gloves could be nice, but then again what other output could you even put there lol

its in a weird spot

[little wigeon]

Yeah exactly lol

[pearl snow]

The gloves in the planner are already filthy Fire Pen high LP chance unique abuse lol

[little wigeon]

If only aura of decay could convert to fire mmm

[pearl snow]

or if Carrion and blood convert Fissure would stack for flat dmg lol

[little wigeon]

Luckily it doubles from T7 to T8 so yea this gotta be it haha

[pearl snow]

Truesight Glass was something I tried to make work but Flame Whip never truly hits 100% crit unless you do something silly like running Trinity of Flames

[little wigeon]

Or I guess as you said reliquary nest and stack ignite chance idols?

[pearl snow]

yeah that too

hyper dependent on rolls though since you drop Soulfire's 100+ Ignite Chance

[little wigeon]

Oh oof soulfire can reach 190% ignite at max

Or wait is that line ignite yourself I forget. Also has a spell dmg multi

[mint sluice]

oh man the chance from 7 to 8 almost is double

[pearl snow]

Defensively if you had like 8 max rolled Ignite Chance / Ward per second idols. Reliquary could be competitive and also better defensively but

good luck LOL

youd only get roughly 80% ignite chance from idols

with reliq

[little wigeon]

Yea soulfire is definitely the play, you want the dmgs especially for uber

Could wildfire work? Lol stack fire res too now

Also juicy hp line for low life

[pearl snow]

Unfortunately Fissure is not duplicated

but it would be lol

Carrion does work it turns out

[little wigeon]

I mean ignore all that and focus at the last 3 lines

[pearl snow]

OH

actually we can check with math

it needs to beat the T8 ring

thats all

so it needs to give you 60% ignite chance on avg

[little wigeon]

Could also run the implicit fire res rings with invokers

[pearl snow]

True, lower ward total for some more dps

Actually might be a good idea. If you manage to have like 300% Fire Res so 225 which is roughly 22 * your WIldfire roll

Lowest roll Wildfire and conservative overcap of 225% gives 88% Ignite Chance on hit

which is already better than the ring

[little wigeon]

We going for maxroll wildfire lol 22.5 x 7 for 180 ignite chance 👀

[pearl snow]

👀

might get me back on testing it

[little wigeon]

Just sucks you going to be competing for health, nec res and fire res suffix lmao 🤣

Since nec is crit multi

[pearl snow]

Oh shit true

this is so rough lol

[little wigeon]

Idk could be fun. Zhp whips, just don't get hit 4head

[pearl snow]

[little wigeon]

I'd still run it and just not worry about fire res toooo much. It does provide a huge hp line

[pearl snow]

True and optimizing later privides a higher dps range

[little wigeon]

Just skip the armor blessing and grab fire res. Boom 75 overcap which makes like 50ish ignite chance

[pearl snow]

Also true

could even get fire res on your 2x1 Idols

shit I have Fire Pen ele res idols

guess ill come back lol

[little wigeon]

Lol

[pearl snow]

wait the minor idols too lol

[little wigeon]

Ah yea maybe better

[pearl snow]

your entire Idol setup can just be Fire Res + Ignite or Fire Pen

[little wigeon]

Dang makes me want to try it now lol 😆

Forgot the leech run T7 ignite/fire pen/crit multi on sword

[pearl snow]

I nearly have the setup already minus rings. Guess ill push and attempt something

[little wigeon]

Btw.... another 35 fire res lmaoo

[pearl snow]

True

[little wigeon]

Yea wildfire embers goated

Already 77* ignite chance from fire res with embers line, blessing, and mastery

[pearl snow]

Yeah so far its zooming

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5qRNw7B Id say this is like easy to get gear

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (32) / Warlock (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,079, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 245.5, Regen: 12.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 127%, Regen: 179/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 8 Dex / 43 Int / 2 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 364% / 134% / 164% / 94% / 52% / 221% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 416
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,027)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Transplant

[pearl snow]

Shades just for monos

[sand knot]

as lich, is it good for dot damage to bypass ward? I dont understand this node

[brisk elk]

Yes, but you only make 5 max

Additional ombies are kind of irrelevant for that build since the 5 from profane do orders of magnitude more dmg, so you wont be manually summoning any more

You veil, chaos bolts your zombies to pop them, and then channel ghostflame until profane veil is back up

Its like a nuke every 5 seconds basically

[pearl snow]

It can be yes, it basically separates your health bar to allow for Ward to take any up front hits etc. and you health to always take DoT dmg such as from your AoD so that you can leech it back. This also fully negate the problem that ward has with DoT dmg because it can eat away at your generation and overall health pool

[potent hemlock]

i just got a 2lp nest and nihilis, for mana flay lich what do you guys should i slam? mana and spell crit for nest? and mana and crit multi for nihilis?

also i have a question on why do we need spell crit arent we already crit capped while in lich form and with harvest node plus blessing if ur using it

does going above crit makes you do more damage?

i thought its only for crit multi

[charred ridge]

do the math and you'll see if you're crit capped

[obtuse quest]

How are those two enough to crit cap?

[tacit plinth]

First uberroth kill with mana flay lich great build and fun to play

[cosmic blade]

that's what I plan to slam my 2lp nihlis with, havnt found a 2lp nest yet but doing spell crit also

I'm not using crit rate blessing

I do cap crit at the moment because I'm wearing phantom grips but I plan to swap them out

[mint sluice]

This seems legit

[dense ice]

Does anyone know if his Chaos Bolt node can stack?
EDIT: Nvm, I can see the buff icon on the minion's health bar, it does not stack.

[valid zenith]

What build you’re using for flay mana lich?

[little wigeon]

Still lots of room for improvement but yea looking good 👍 I would change some passive in the base tree for damage % since that also gives poison dmg which gives crit. We are on the lower end since we aren't doing the leech to dmg

I'm going to jump on my legacy toon later and see how it plays. Hopefully can buy some stuff off MG

[molten bramble]

You will be crit capped with marrow shards but 94.6% with chaos bolt. With the standard base 22% crit you need 104% additional crit to cap.

[pearl snow]

True good point

[little wigeon]

ive been buying alot of stuff on legacy and using my stash lol now i just gotta slam everything

also need to run the weaver node for reforged affi

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy9jZ3do what i have thrown together so far

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Lich (28) / Warlock (59)

General:

▸ Health: 1,768, Regen: 19.86/s
▸ Mana: 204, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 147/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 13 Dex / 28 Int / 9 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 537% / 68% / 84% / 67% / 86% / 292% / 58%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 354
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (468)

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Transplant / Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade / Profane Veil

[pearl snow]

Those idols

[little wigeon]

not too shabby

i think im going to have to go leech to dmg, cuz im sitting at 310% dmg so thats only 31 + 20 + 6 crit on sheet for 57% crit

i think my ignite chance is fine, thats over 300 flat

[slim niche]

I tested Wildfire embers as I noticed that scaling too, got up to over 900% ignite, but the thing is as whisps keep resetting my fissures to unspecced one, which made the gameplay total shit, made a reddit post and a bug report https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1nftvzb/wildfire_embers_why_it_sucks_for_fissure_warlock/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[pearl snow]

I never saw it recast for me weird

[little wigeon]

well good thing im not playing around the wisps lol

[slim niche]

it will still keep shooting whips, but you will have 50% less whips as the fissure is 50% shorter

[pearl snow]

That makes sense

The chance of recasting should be fairly low on Whip Lock too

[slim niche]

you cant controll them, they just appear with ignites, and then they will have 10% chance per second to overwrite your fissure

[pearl snow]

Since its not a spammer skill

[slim niche]

so that really sucks

[little wigeon]

F

[pearl snow]

Its only chance per cast not every second

[little wigeon]

i still havent really tested it, slamming my last couple items xD

did you go for leech on weapon?

or how did you manage crit chance for whips

[pearl snow]

Not yet, but itd probably be best on weapon for it

[slim niche]

leech on weapon

just the normal whiplock setup

[little wigeon]

ok figured yea cuz im sitting in the 50s for crit welp

[pearl snow]

If you chuck in Trinity Of Flames i stead itll give you +100% every 3rd whip

If only trusight was worth that gamble lol

I am kinda curious on using that tech instead and just vibing for flat dmg and crit multi and see where it ends up

Prob abbe

Bad

[slim niche]

this is my normal setup, I have little over 600% ignite with this too.. managed to bump up to 900+ ignite with embers, but yeah.. rather have that sweet 140% machine-gun-whip-spawn-speed on chest

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Kapteenikuolio/character/Akka

[little wigeon]

lol

[pearl snow]

Oo T8 frequency

[little wigeon]

yea i said that in the beginning but rip to the exsang

[slim niche]

yea t8 frequency i noticed right at the patchnotes of S3, originally I thought it would be ones that would be 50% over t7, but hey made it 100% over T7

[little wigeon]

idk i think all the ignite chance from wildfire is pretty strong

[slim niche]

so it is a machine gun, really, and kinda funny 😄

[little wigeon]

on paper at least xD

[slim niche]

it definetly is, I would use it if the recast ability would not overwrite fissures and other spells

it also overwrites infernal shade

so it is really really annoying

[pearl snow]

Yeah in monos its an issue on top of the already clubky clear you get

Shade helps a lot but for bossing I assume Wildfire is the way to go

[slim niche]

I have shade in my bossing setup too; set it up to shred and stay in place

forget explosions on boss

[pearl snow]

Makes sense

Prob that or just swap out for Spirit Plague and get more % from an extra curse

[slim niche]

I have them both, use profane veil as mobility with propane form (which I think is bugged, it is supposed to be with reduced duration but it is not, only makes form move faster with ignite chance)

and then the mobility node, single minded

plus you can dash when in profane form, which makes it kinda do a teleport

😄

[mystic yew]

Hello, i play a harves flay lich build from maxroll.. my question; the author lists +flat cold dmg as best stat but only has one weapon (dw build btw) slamd with it. Wouldnt it be better to slam both weapons with +flat cold?

[little wigeon]

attack speed is also very good

you get a bunch of flat dmg from just stackin dex

[marble palm]

Finally got my first!!!

[brisk elk]

Im still searching

[brisk elk]

does abom eating minions count as them dying?

like will skeletons give 15 mana or will zombies give their health as ward?

im thinking about a skelly resummon loop to generate a ton of mana but idk if it works like that

[coarse hinge]

If I out run my minions will they despawn or catch up somehow?

[brisk elk]

they have a tether range, but most minions will end up having way more move speed than you

if you plan to use a traversal skill like transplant, you should probably get minion teleport on rings or boots

with t7 boot affix you can tp up to 12 minions with you

[coarse hinge]

I was using that, but trying without to see whats different

[brisk elk]

if you run far away they will come to you, but you won't want to do that because stuff will aggro on you

[coarse hinge]

was wondering if they get lost completely

[brisk elk]

you can also press A to direct them somewhere

[coarse hinge]

I keep summoning more in front of me when moving

[brisk elk]

which minion?

[coarse hinge]

skeletons

[brisk elk]

skellies should be tethering close to you

if you're playing ranged skellies i would put them on guard mode and/or direct them in front of you

[coarse hinge]

I am playing sacrifice

[brisk elk]

oh

well in that case yeah just use them where you need dmg

lol

[coarse hinge]

so I dont always want them to transplant with me, since they blow in 2 sec and I want them to stay on target

[brisk elk]

yeah that makes sense

[coarse hinge]

thats why I am trying without the transplant stuff

[brisk elk]

resummoning constantly is perfectly normal for transplant

[coarse hinge]

zombies, parasites and skeletons gets auto summoned too, so I was wondering if they could keep up

or would just get lost in the back 🙂

[brisk elk]

i mean if you're running cruelty they will die quickly anywyas

[coarse hinge]

yeah running cruelty

seems to work without exp affix, they suddenly catch up from the looks of it if they fall behind, I just keep moving and summoning leaving bodies 🙂

[queen creek]

hi all, anyone have the same problem with the passive blood feast? my abomination not self-healing

[coarse hinge]

Had to go back to transplant with minions at higher corruption, only worked at 300...

[queen creek]

abomination not work more than corruption 300?

I'm just getting to Reinforced Monoliths and I kill everything in one hit. Sometimes I summon some skeletons, the abomination eats them, and that way I heal it, because the passive of recovering health with damage isn't working for me.

sorry for my google english xD

[versed fox]

Can some mana flay liches drop their builders? I want to compare my stuff to others

[charred ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Noobzor/character/Vellexiaa

[versed fox]

whats with 0 crit avoid or reduc? I couldn't see anything on your gear that would counter it

also thanks, I definitely used your build to swap over to mana flay earlier this season, it rocks

[charred ridge]

ye no crit avoid

hasn't been worth getting

u can technically slam it on 2lp belt

[versed fox]

👍 👍

[pearl snow]

Abom can kill Uber. Something could be wrong if you have issues with it

[scarlet flicker]

abom is PITA to kill uber though..one mistake and you need to do the summoning all over again

@noobzor the flay mana lich build you suggested worked for me too..got uber down!

[brave hearth]

Getting Uber down to 36% over and over is killing me

[cosmic blade]

how to get double t7s? I always find just t7&t6

[scarlet flicker]

Use nemesis tower to farm your first double T7

then use imprints to get more

[cosmic blade]

ah cool ok

[cosmic blade]

beast of a build 💪

[mint sluice]

oh man Lich again 🤣

[grim field]

Is the triple.dmg passive at low life apply to bleed dmg?

[obtuse quest]

It's generic increased damage, so yes

[swift forge]

I can't see it in any patch notes but did they fix corrupted form yet?

[tacit plinth]

Nope still bugged🥲

[potent hemlock]

i just did and im at 97%, is that good enough?

thats with the lich and with the harvest global node on

[rich stag]

97% < 100% smh

It is fine though, you can try cap it eventually but really you’re not going to miss that 3% chance

There are probably more important things for you to focus on with your build than finding an extra 3% chance to crit

[brave hearth]

I imprinted 7/7/7 and always get single 7 or sometimes 7/7 from my imprints but it still helps

[charred ridge]

basically crit capped

[rich stag]

You aren’t guaranteed to find triple t7’s, just more likely.

[potent hemlock]

So would another crit multi be okay or should i go for more int

I should be around 550% crit multi, both weaps, amulet, and relic

[lost gale]

Anyone yet worked out some better way to use/abuse cold dread shade & cold AoD's cumulative 2% cold pen per int?

[versed shell]

Can Zombies proc Awakened Presence?

[lost gale]

no

nor can corpse parasites

[versed shell]

Awww. =( That's a mega bummer...

[coarse hinge]

Do I have to directly cast a fire spell for flame whip to trigger?

[pearl snow]

if its from your passive tree then it will only proc whenever your Ignite Overload triggers

if its from the Spine weapon its automatic while Fissure is active

[lost gale]

the node after ignite overload says "while you have ignite overload when you kill an ignited enemy or hit an ignited boss or rare enemy you cast flame whip at a nearby enemy"

[obtuse quest]

If you meant ignite overload, yes it might be a direct fire skill use.

[versed shell]

Do all Zombies benefit from the Apocalypse passive at least?

[obtuse quest]

From veil? No, only the ones summoned from apocalypse

[pearl snow]

oopsy

[versed shell]

Awww. =(

[obtuse quest]

You wish it was THAT free

[lost gale]

you have to directly cast a fire spell to trigger ignite overload but after that, killing an ignited enemy or hitting an ignited boss or rare enemy should trigger flame whip but I think it has a 1s ICD

apocalypse on every zombie would be the best build in the game no joke

zombies, reiviving skellies, triggered sacrifice

that would be a looping screen wiping machine

[versed shell]

Yeah, that's what geeked me out so hard before. Kinda bummed it doesn't work that way. =(

[lost gale]

apocalypse can still wipe whole screens if you blow them up with chaos bolts

more than a screen at a time actually

but you do have to deal with profane veil CD and supply minions for the node before apocalypse to eat etc (most ppl seem to use bone curse walls, though I like reviving skellies for most minion consuming applications)

[versed shell]

Yeah, I'm going for the Chaos Bolt/Apocalypse combo.

What's a good skill for throughput during PV's CD? Been using Ignite/Flame Whip + Chthonic Fissures for Zombie spam.

[lost gale]

uh well apocalypse zombies is a minion damage build really

the zombies are doing the damage

trying to do damage yourself is probably not going to be a great plan

[versed shell]

Ahh, true...

[lost gale]

uhhh

[versed shell]

I know the Zombies from Chthonic Fissures won't be as deadly as Apocalypse Zombies, but still worth investing in?

[lost gale]

hard to say really

maybe chaos bolts/harvest with harvest summoning zombies?

harvest can give your zombies 250% increase crit chance & 5% more damage

which isn't irrelevant

and you're already going to be specialising chaos bolts

fissure zombies are pretty expensive mana-wise

[obtuse quest]

They spawn them slower than their rings.

[lost gale]

yeah rings & harvest might be a better bet

[versed shell]

Rings?

[lost gale]

you're going to want to be casting chaos bolts to blow up your zombies anyway

[lost gale]

cycle of putrescence, gives your zombies a chance to resummon after 1s but that chance goes up to 100% per ring for your last zombie

uh, explaining that badly

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAcGZnI

[lost gale]

if you have 6 zombies alive and one explodes with two of the rings then that zombie has a 2/6 chance of reviving 1s later

if you have 5 zombies alive and one explodes with two of the rings then that zombie has a 2/5 chance of reviving 1s later

if you have 4 zombies alive and one explodes with two of the rings then that zombie has a 2/4 chance of reviving 1s later

if you have 3 zombies alive and one explodes with two of the rings then that zombie has a 2/3 chance of reviving 1s later

if you have 2 zombies alive and one explodes with two of the rings then that zombie has a 2/2 chance of reviving 1s later

unfortunately if doesn't make new apocalypse zombies if revives an apocalypse zombies

[versed shell]

Oooo... Very interesting...

The whole theme of the build is Fire damage (for RP reasons.) That ring looks like it scales off Poison. Could this still be viable for Fire? Or do the other effects make it worth it still?

[obtuse quest]

All you use the ring for is the revive

[lost gale]

the revive and if you wear two of them it makes skilling vomit free which helps guarantee that you blow up zombies with chaos bolts

but vomit is terrible

so if you want your zombies to be more automated sometimes then don't do that

[versed shell]

I'm honestly pretty bummed about replacing Fissure with Harvest, tbh....

[obtuse quest]

Tbf fissure isn't gonig to do much

With that setup

[versed shell]

Really? Even the whole thing with having 4 up with 2 Zombies per second?

[obtuse quest]

And then drain all your mana?

[lost gale]

I think you've misunderstood how it works, for one thing overlapping fissures delete the oldest fissure after like a second

given that fissure is quite big and always casts from your feet that's actually a real issue

[versed shell]

Ahhh...

[lost gale]

fissure itself is expensive, the zombies it summons are expensive

[obtuse quest]

why spend mana for zombies when you can get them for cheaper, or even free?

[lost gale]

fissure is one zombie every 2s, harvest is 5 per 3s and can be frontloaded (edit not 3 per 5)

[versed shell]

That's a good point.

[versed shell]

Wait, Harvest generates zombies?

[lost gale]

so harvest summons more zombies at a lower cost

[versed shell]

Whoooooooooa. Bro! I didn't see that node.

[lost gale]

Seeds of Undeath 5
Volatile Zombie Chance: +10% per point
Percent of Volatile Zombie Mana Cost Consumed: 50%
Limit per 3 Seconds: 5
When Harvest kills an enemy or hits a boss or rare enemy, you have a chance to summon a Volatile Zombie, consuming a percentage of its mana cost. This effect can occur a limited number of times per 3 seconds.

more zombies than fissure, frontloaded and they're going to be summoned where you're already casting chaos bolts

[versed shell]

Oh, man. That's so cool.

The 50% Proc rate and the attack speed makes it sound like it's kinda hard to spawn in the 5 within those 3 seconds.

[lost gale]

you just trigger harvest with chaos bolts, you don't ever attack with it

and you rely on the kill-threshold to get you kills in packs and hits on rares/bosses to spawn them when you need them

chaos bolts can trigger harvest 3/s fairly reliably without that much dex

[versed shell]

Holy crap, dude.... I didn't even see that.

[lost gale]

you probably need like 15-20 dex total for harvest to be reliable

harvest can also do necro-res shred & you can spec your zombies to deal necrotic damage

[versed shell]

When you're spamming Chaos bolt for Harvest procs to get more Zombies, how do you prevent them from being blown up before you cast Veil?

[lost gale]

you don't

either spec corpse parasites in zombies for veil fodder

or use bone curse to spawn a load of walls

bone curse walls have a shorter cooldown than profane veil will

[versed shell]

That's genius....

[lost gale]

or skeletons which revive

[versed shell]

Thanks for all your help, guys. This is sick.

[violet forge]

i have a question about spine of malatros, does that weapon remove the necrotic tag in Fissure?

[charred ridge]

im assuming you are running the crit chance blessing

so i would slam spell crit so you can take the crit multi blessing and actually have 100% crit chance

[obtuse quest]

No.

[violet forge]

so Chaos Flame can apply damned with the whips?

[obtuse quest]

Chaos flame?

What's chaos flame

[obtuse quest]

This needs some explaining:
Fissure has two parts, the fissure itself, and the spirits.
The fissure is Fire(Doesn'tt do hits, so can't apply ailments normally), and the spirits are necrotic.

Flame whips replaces the spirits, so there's no more necrotic part, YET the skill is still tagged as necrotic.

Short answer: no.

[violet forge]

so it only applies to necrotic hits and not the skill with necro tag?

[obtuse quest]

All necrotic hits have the necrotic tag.
Fissure just doesn't lose the necrotic tag for some reason.

Well, LETools' planner says that it loses the tag, so maybe they fixed it.

[lost gale]

the spirits get replaced with a sub-skill which only has the fire tag, so fissure's tags do not matter.

sub skills can have different tags & benefit from different scaling like smite-fissure

I guess shield throw and the fire explosion sub-skill are better examples, one is a throwing attack and the other a spell and they have the appropriate tags/interactions etc

[violet forge]

so unless Fire whip has a necro conversion or something like that, it can't benefit from damned chance from Chaos Flames (or similar effects)?

[obtuse quest]

Correct, it's a fire skill.

(There is no conversion for whips.)

[violet forge]

welp, to the planning board (again), ty

[grim field]

will the summon wraith from wraithlord be fire if im running the idols for it>?

[craggy flax]

yes

[grim field]

how hard is it to get the helm?

[lost gale]

not hard at all, it's a common drop

[grim field]

so just pop some helm proph?

[lost gale]

well, LET says uncommon actually, but runes of ascendance on helmets have a 4.3% chance to give you one

so yeah helm prophs should do it pretty fast

it's certainly not like red ring rare

[grim field]

ya i have 2 builds that need just 1 item and they refuse to drop l;ol

lol first proph got a 0lp wraith helm ur my good luck

and a neme with one lol

[lost gale]

like I said, common drop 😛

[grim field]

does wraithlord scale with the staff that gives +12 wraith max?

[lost gale]

it will be able to summon more wraiths (as long as you haven't taken the 2 max wraiths node) yeah, but you don't get 12 wraithlords or anything like that

and the health drain can be significant

if you take that then it will spend almost all its time in combat summoning wraiths not shooting

[grim field]

ya i want auto wraith summons 😛

[craggy flax]

it does do a good job summoning wraiths

[grim field]

lol hes currently just spamming eat zombies atm

[lost gale]

if you're in combat he should create wraiths before eating other minions

but out of combat he won't create wraiths at all but will eat all non-wraith minions

[grim field]

20 wraiths lol

[lost gale]

idk if you're speccing into it but all the stuff on the right of the wraith tree about summoning multiple wraiths doesn't do anything for wraithlord

WL has its own pattern of summoning wraiths and that isn't changed by those nodes

[grim field]

went top left and grabbed hp on bot

[dusty onyx]

It loses the tag for me

[lost gale]

so are you using the wraith spam to trigger zombies?

[grim field]

not yet was thinking of it but this is a ignite necro im messing around on lol

[lost gale]

ignite necro?

flame wraiths don't even ignite on it afaik

oh, 25% chance to ignite on hit for flame wraiths

they're 100% for the hit damage not the ailments afaict

[grim field]

im at 800% fire dmg for minions rn

ok swapped to min dmg+crit lol

[grim field]

they do ignite btw

thjinking i might swap out either transplant or bone curse for skele mages

[craggy flax]

the wraithlord will eat the mages

[grim field]

he eats the zombies to lol

[obtuse quest]

He eats everything but wraiths

[grim field]

so best to just stick with wraiths and use other 4 skills to buff?

[craggy flax]

it's a shame Putrid wraiths are so bad, could be a fun poison build in there with Wraithlord summoning an army of poison wraiths

[grim field]

ya i already tested 🙁

[craggy flax]

I did a bleed version of what you are doing, it was ok but the damage fell off pretty hard around 300c

[summer patrol]

hey guys, stupid question but can one play mana flay straight away or do you need some kind of filler build until you have the necessary uniques + slams for mana? and if so, what would you recommend

[grim field]

ya was really hoping for a DoT style minions lol

[craggy flax]

poison rogues is pretty good

[pearl snow]

you cant do it as soon as flay is unlocked but you can swap fairly early on from what I've heard

if you use a loot filter etc and level up you can prob swap at the start of empowered

[grim field]

ya i was looking at those but i really like wraithlord+zombies cuz of auto summons lol

[craggy flax]

unless you are trying to do Uber, play what you have fun with. nothing wrong with farming 300c

[grim field]

how r the mages for ignite

[summer patrol]

ah gotcha, ill try to repurpose my lvl 80 acolyte then. By the way your name rings a bell, didnt you make a flame whip guide at some point last season?

[lost gale]

bad

poison rogues is really the only necro minion ailment build that looks like it works

[pearl snow]

yeah, there were a few floating around tho

[lost gale]

maybe there's a frostbite build to be made with lich's scorn and chaos bolts giving +100% frostbite chance

but that would be such a chore to play (shoot every single minion with chaos bolts once every 10s...)

and idk if Lich's scorn converts the +100% chance to damn into frostbite on dread shade or not

[grim field]

so sad 🙁

my ignite zombie build failed(the ignite portion) due to how slow they explode/summon and cant stack enough duration to make them worth it

bout to repurpose my necro into bleed warlock and call it a day

[coarse hinge]

Wrongwarp on lich becomes pretty chaotic with minions summon on transplant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzc_Qvy7mMM

[muted mist]

There was a bleed blood specter sacrifice build back in the day but the clear wasn't great and it's very demanding gameplay-wise. It got a lot of buffs (esp physical aura of decay) but probably not enough to be competitive.

[dense ice]

Is Lich's Scorn bugged? I don't see any added flat damage at all, neither when attached to minions nor enemies. EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't realize it counted the infernal shades after casting dread shade

[brave hearth]

What's the win rate for people who killed uber with abom? I'm at at least 150 tries and getting close but this is insane

[grim field]

is wraithlord better/equal to abom for corrupt farming cuz im really enjoying wraithlord lol

[muted mist]

I saw some proposals to use the new overkill splash primordial 2H for clear with Wraithlord and then swap for bosses. Not sure how it holds up, but should narrow the gap some.

[grim field]

im currently using wraith staff and using the lord as an auto summoner

[craggy flax]

I know the original version with Wraithlord and 2 Wraiths that you move with transplant can push 900c without much problem
but you wont do Uber with it

[broken star]

TFW you decided to go ahead and craft that item you've been saving waiting to get a specific affix with a super low drop rate but you didn't realize till afterwards that you had it in your inventory from when you just defeated mejasa in the temporal sanctum

[autumn mango]

Hows warlock these days

[gritty cargo]

strong

lots of options
sacrifice build, flame whip build, ghostflame build, fissure build, infernal shade build

[mint sluice]

there's nobody plays warlock man :))

[pearl snow]

Warlock is consistent it just didnt get changes. Flame Whip can still Uber and Witchfire still does great for mono clearing

[obtuse quest]

Only because they have the exact same builds as last season, so everyone went for the shiny new stuff

[mint sluice]

I got a whiplock build here
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5qRNw7B

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (32) / Warlock (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,079, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 245.5, Regen: 12.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 127%, Regen: 179/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 8 Dex / 43 Int / 2 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 364% / 134% / 164% / 94% / 52% / 221% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 416
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,027)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Transplant

[obtuse quest]

Well yeah it’s effecticely the same thing in concept and playstyle as whiplock from last version

It still has the same “clear is arse” issue

[potent hemlock]

yes im running crit chance blessing, aight ill do that then that makes sense so spell crit on relic and crit multi on amulet then replace crit chance blessing for crit multi

[rich stag]

Can’t really answer that as it very much depends on gear / the player.

[rich stag]

It’s worse I think but not much so

I am not sure how Wraithlord fairs against Uberroth though which is likely where you’ll see the biggest difference between the two.

[brave hearth]

Yeah, I definitely improved skill-wise over the tries and it's safe to say if I keep mastering the fight I'll probably get it. My gear is pretty good quite a few T2s, two RR etc

[pearl snow]

In general you can say the vast majority of people dont kill it regardless of their builds

[rich stag]

Oh 100%

[broken star]

Ok... I might have... underestimated Flay mana lich

I two shot a Harbinger

[mint sluice]

sure you did 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[broken star]

I didn't had the finalized build so I discarded it as whatver, swapped to harvest flay and did most of my farming that way. Once I finished crafting everything... man.... Everything just exploded

Still need better idols for mana. Around 1500 mana

[mint sluice]

the only negative thing about flay mana lich is that you haven't tried it earlier 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[broken star]

oh no, I swapped off harvest flay and went to flay mana today, a few hours ago

Definitely wouldn't go into it while levelling

[mint sluice]

I tried it as the ss3 was released and got addicted to it since then :))

[broken star]

Nice!

[hallow light]

how do you level as a lich? I can't maintain reaper form, and I'm using harvest so the node that gives leech based on spell dmg doesn't work

[lost gale]

you should have 1% global leech by default as a lich.
Rip blood triggering marrow shards is consistently good damage with low investment

[pearl snow]

I leveled as rip blood and chaos bolts the whole time and it was fine. You’ll never have 100% reaper uptime while leveing though

[little wigeon]

Can confirm rip blood is the wey, did that on league start

[pearl snow]

Its always funny seeing those spam bot image posters because they never render due to rules ll

[vapid kindle]

aura of decay regen is also a super consistent way to stay in form much longer with low investment early game

[gritty cargo]

infernal shade

[muted mist]

Harvest and Aura of Decay works fine if you get a good 2H (bone curse everything). Reaper Form should not be your first or second skill spec priority. For many builds it is fifth priority. You really need Aura of Decay's node for healing based on missing health to get any good uptime and it mostly just gives you a bit of speed while you're leveling.

I tried leveling rip blood marrow shards first, Harvest felt far more effective and consistent. Marrow shards eats too much health and rip blood has terrible damage if you aren't triggering the shards. I did get a very nice harvest weapon off a nemesis so YMMV.

Aura of Decay does not need to be specialized to be worth using during the campaign (but maybe max your resistance)

[obtuse quest]

Aura is pretty arse without spec since all it does without it is poison damage cut

[gaunt igloo]

Anyone have any suggestions for levelling as a lich (first time acolyte)? Any build to follow or specific skills to target early?

[gritty cargo]

spec infernal shade when you hit 20 points, travel to that combustion node on the left

then campaign as normal and do the campaign skip as soon as you talk to the guy that gives you the skillpoint for the book or relic that is in the hallway getting to Temporal Sanctum

try to pick a white map that spawns all the spiders as your first echo it makes skipping campaign that early much easier that echo will feed you a ton of levels with no risk

sometimes its a bit annoying because the spider echo isnt one of your first ones

[pearl snow]

You can just level as rip blood or chaos bolts and do Bleed dmg thats pretty much a breeze too

[gritty cargo]

infernal shade is just cast once while running past the pack, and pack dies

nothing compares to it on 0 gear setup

i take infernal shade pretty far, I get the lich's envy from soulfire bastion as soon as I have 4 or more keys to kill the lich a few times in a row

that lets you take the node that increases the cost of it, and lets you tripple cast it, and unspec the 3 points out of the cost reduction part of it

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/infernal-flame-whip-warlock

[stuck owl]

Infernal Flame Whip Warlock Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class

Acolyte / Warlock

Used skills

• Chthonic Fissure
• Infernal Shade
• Bone Curse
• Transplant
• Profane Veil

Used unique items

• Boneclamor Barbute
• Exsanguinous
• Last Steps of the Living
• Soulfire
• Hand of Judgement
• Chains of Uleros
• Spine of Malatros
• Pearls of the Swine
• Throne of Ambition

Tags

Boss Killer / Arena / Beginner / Ranged

Created by Tevonsonte · Mar 17, 2024, 7:35 AM

[rich stag]

Level as both with Chthonic Fissure

[pearl snow]

Yeah you can do that too

[obtuse quest]

Can't do that when someone is asking to level as lich

[rich stag]

Oh, for sure. Not sure I would ever recommend anyone level as a Lich though.

Lich doesn’t really come online until later level in my experience.

[hallow light]

when summon wraith disappears, does it count as a minion dying?

[lost gale]

yeah they're not time limited, they degen health so when they disappear it's because they've degenerated to 0hp and died

[mighty tundra]

i think i've fallen in love with blood wraiths

it can get a ridiculous amount of wraiths on boss fights i can't see shit lol

[lost gale]

you self casting sacrifice?

[mighty tundra]

yes

[lost gale]

I want to do this with abom sacrifice

but abom sacrifices itself sometimes unfortunately

[mighty tundra]

summon skeletons, cast sac, rip blood minions for mana and ward

watch ward go from 0 to 5000+ in under a second

mana fills in that time too

i've not played abom so i'm not sure if that'd work with it, i chose archers so they don't get mixed up too much in the swarm of wraiths but sometimes they still just run in lol

[lost gale]

if you only make your abom from skeletons then it will only devour skeletons and though the abom sacrifice is more expensive than self-cast it will devour skeletons normally if you run out of mana which obviously returns loads of mana too.
This means you can basically only cast summon skellies yourself and it'll summon blood wraiths at a crazy rate

and you don't need to worry about sacrificing your T-rex or other minions and the abom can carry the dread shade too

[mighty tundra]

that's neat i'll look into that

i've just been putting dread shade on rares for now

[lost gale]

well as I said it's bugged right now and the abom sacrifices itself sometimes

not really sure why

[mighty tundra]

oh

that's so weird lol

[lost gale]

yeah

it's not meant to

but it does

I didn't really consider trying self-cast and using archer's range to segregate them from the wraiths for the purposes of chaining

[craggy flax]

yup was so disappointed to see this happen
really tried to make it work

[lost gale]

yeah, it's such a cool necro build idea

either scaling sacrifice damage yourself or using the wraiths

[mighty tundra]

i'd be happy if i can unspec transplant and keep sac off my bar, the only downside is then i can't apply decrepify with the bone curse from transplant but more wraiths will outweight 15% more damage

i actually have pretty mid gear in that picture. I'm not even at 300 corruption so i'm happy to see how much damage it can do. The clear isn't that great but heyo

[lost gale]

decrepify is only 15% more DOT damage, not 15% total and I would guess that their hit damage will probably exceed the bleed

even though they do a lot of bleed

[mighty tundra]

i've made this a bleed build

[lost gale]

ah okay

[craggy flax]

you using the self rezzing Skeletons + rez shield, or are you spam casting them?

[mighty tundra]

spam cast

it's just a rotation of summon 2x > sac 2x > rip blood to full and repeat

[lost gale]

if you do both then you can have your number of skeletons alive & waiting to revive get up to like 50

I did that with cruelty

it's really clunky but you can have like 30 skeletons looping at a time if you space them right

[mighty tundra]

that's funny

[lost gale]

can't do that with chain sacrifice though, it clumps them up too much

if you're at max skeletons and one reaches the 3s revive time then it's dead forever

but if you're at say 5/9 skellies with 40 ticking down on revive then as long as you can keep killing them fast enough all 40 can revive

the trick is balancing the rate of reviving and the rate of death

[mighty tundra]

that's a lot of skeletons

it feels really good to vitality stack on a necro now

especially when you take the dodge rating node in the lich tree

[lost gale]

the armor from dread shade is goated too

[mighty tundra]

yeah i'm at 80% mit

level 89 with 1lp cheap items and at 80% mit lol

on an acolyte

[lost gale]

did you try putting dread shade on the T-Rex?

you probably sacrifice it fairly often by accident I guess

[mighty tundra]

i did but he gets sacrificied too easily

i just take the node to put it on enemies and keep it up on bosses and when mapping i put it on whatever is behind the other mobs

[lost gale]

fair enough

[mighty tundra]

so it's conditional but reliable if you're good with it

[lost gale]

one thing I'm interested in doing but haven't put together is just zombie/skelly fueled sac

because zombies spawning from dead skellies and casting sacrifice is the only thing I know of where the rate of sacrifice casting is correlated to the rate of skelly production

[craggy flax]

could maybe use Dreadshade to cast Sac? but it's 100% mana cost

[lost gale]

dread shade can't be automated afaik. Zombies and skellies are totally automated other than you needing to add skellies unless they have 100% revive chance

[mighty tundra]

i want to be able to cast dread shade on myself one day

[lost gale]

ikr

[mighty tundra]

actually i want a unique that lets player affected shrines apply to minions

it'd just be funny to see 30 wraiths have phoenix breaths on top of them

probably crash my computer tbf

[craggy flax]

if zombies, skellies, and Sac are all automated, may as well press the Dread Shade button 🙂

can toss in automated infernal shade too and use the Lich gloves

pretty sure recasting Dreadshade triggers Sac

[lost gale]

I wanted to snapshot dread shade with lots of infernal shades tbh, there's nothing to park the dread shade on with that setup tho

[craggy flax]

ya would have to attach it to enemies

[lost gale]

with lichs scorn I mean

[craggy flax]

ahh gotcha

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BE8Ype4Q this is obviously very incomplete but I was trying something along these lines but ghostmaker re-summons the wraithlord whenever it triggers which makes keeping a strong dread shade going really tough.
(the WL summons wraiths & eats skellies which proc zombies which also get eaten which proc shades on minions which pop dealing big AOE damage plus sustaining mana/ward and you get lots of damage from lich's scorn dread shade.)
Abom sac sidesteps a lot of these issues but is currently bugged

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (31)

General:

▸ Health: 1,208, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 108%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 6 Dex / 29 Int / 6 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 10% / 10% / 10% / 10% / 10% / 68% / 28%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 242
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 9% (205)

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton / Infernal Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie

[lost gale]

you can just spam cast infernal shade on the wraith pack and it'll cause tons of shade explosions

and they're very fast and aggressive so enemies should usually have wraiths by them

[craggy flax]

I didn't know Lich's Scorn buffs the player if you have that selected in Dreadshade

[lost gale]

99% sure it works

can't really play to test it rn, my laptop is transforming into a brick

[craggy flax]

if you were hard casting Dreadshade attaching it to enemies, wouldn't that still work?

you get the buff no matter if it's attached to minions or enemies

[lost gale]

yes but you have to cast it with n-1 active infernal shades where n is your max shades to get the full benefits of lich's scorn

the only real way to reliably do that is to have it attach to minions with unlimited duration

Lich's scorn cares about how many infernal shades are attached to an enemy/minion when you cast it and then keeps that value for the duration of the dread shade

if you have low duration shades that explode then you can't even cast fast enough to have 8 or 9 up at once I believe

and for abom sac I don't even want to specialise infernal shade at all

[mighty tundra]

@lost gale i think they fixed the abom sac bug

he's not chaining to himself. Just sacrificing the skeletons

[lost gale]

really?

[mighty tundra]

yes

i keep spawning them next to him and he's just blowing them up

[lost gale]

I didn't have chains on and he was still sacrificing himself

[mighty tundra]

i'll send a clip if you'd like

[lost gale]

I know it says it stops chains and I can't rightly say that chains were an issue or the issue

nah I believe you, he wasn't sacrificing himself immediately anyway

just like maybe once every monolith or once every two

[mighty tundra]

oh interesting

ngl if he doesn't sac himself i'm 100% running this over self cast

[lost gale]

so if you say it isn't happening then I believe you, but I don't believe it's fixed entirely either

[mighty tundra]

makes it way less action intense

[lost gale]

and mana management is easier even tho it costs more

because he'll devour skeletons when you have no mana anyway

get you mana back

[mighty tundra]

uh yeah with rip blood is 100% so easy

i'm at 60 wraiths in a mono instead of 16-26 lol

i was only getting 60 on bosses before

LOL

[lost gale]

you might need minion AOE on amulet & gloves soon just so they can all hit one target

[mighty tundra]

yeah idk what is actually hitting and what isn't but i'm pretty happy with how low that health bar is going

plus abberoth is huge

[lost gale]

yeah

abom not eating itself yet?

[mighty tundra]

nope

guys fine so far

[lost gale]

sick

my PC can barely run the game rn but I'm gonna give it a go

[mighty tundra]

i'm swapping my skeletons to rogues to help the abom have extra damage, i'll let u know if he still doesn't kill himself

[lost gale]

warriors only is best for abom unless you're using aura of rot or eternal arrow tbh

well, one golem, one mage, one wraith etc

[mighty tundra]

yeah i'm gonna use aura of rot

may as well use more sources of damage over time when i plan on having 160 vitality

[brave hearth]

Do you have shred chance on your passives

Or does that not affect bleed

[lost gale]

armor doesn't work on damage over time

[brave hearth]

Right yeah. This is a cool build though. Finally beat Uber with abom so going to try something else soon

[lost gale]

my abom ate itself a couple of times in testing

maybe it's an offline mode thing

[mighty tundra]

Maybe yeah

Weird

Yeah I'm gonna kill Uber abberoth with this

I need to kill him one day and I just didn't vibe with flay

[calm dome]

Does Sacrifice abomination have legs now

[lost gale]

still eating itself for me in offline but seems to be working for voodou

[calm dome]

You don't have any other auto casts sacrifice on other stuff that may be the cause or it is confirmed bugged

?

Is the chain nodes on sacrifice even necessary? It looks to me abom consumes the minions the instant they spawn

All of them

[lost gale]

nope, I had abom specialised to sac & be otherwise tanky, sac specialised to make blood spectres but not chain, skellies specialised to revive and generate ward/mana, dread shade was specialised for +1 shades, +armor, +AOE +speed but not the sacrifice or doom brand stuff, infernal shade specialised to go on minions and give them lots of speed & +1 shades.

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/abomination
The way it works is abomination casts devour which targets up to 4 minions within basically a screen's length of the abom and all those minions get eaten

if you have the sacrifice node then it sacrifices them if you have mana

but it can only cast devour so quickly

and devour is a very slow skill as these things go

so increasing the cast speed of your abom makes a big difference

but yeah it can eat up to 4 minions every time it casts devour

devour doesn't have a cooldown

so if you have chain then sacrifice chains to minions within the aoe of the explosion, which would be around each of the <=4 sacrificed minions

not worth it imo

[scenic igloo]

does this nerf flay lich build?

[obtuse quest]

Holy hell they finally fixed marrow shards

[craggy flax]

maybe it's infernal shade causing it? doesn't look like he is running that

[vapid kindle]

yes but as long as you weren’t going out of your way to abuse the bug with marrow shards the build should be fine

[lost gale]

infernal shade was ticking for like 600 on abom and its health bar doesn't move, pegged at 100%.
then it suddenly just dies 100 to zero instantly while it's devouring skellies

[noble flame]

I didnt need shades to cause the bug pre-patch. I doubt that's changed

I suspect it's the auto-rez that causes it. I'll have to test with Wraiths at some point

[craggy flax]

obviously it's a bug, just pointing out the difference between the person who got it working and what Embryo is doing

[noble flame]

It was looking pretty stable for a bit post-patch and then he blew up

Certainly feels like it happens less often now

[mighty tundra]

@lost gale so he's not sacrificing himself but he is just outright disappearing randomly

like i'll just be running and it's like blip out of existence

[charred ridge]

wow mshards dead

about time

[unique gale]

I guess I will keep playing PoE 2

Mid season nerfs yikes

[charred ridge]

that's not nerfs

that's how the game should work

[unique gale]

yes but fix it right away or dont fix it at all

multiple times they bug fix things then they leave other op builds with bugs untouched after. and the pattern repeats itself

[charred ridge]

idk flay is like absurdly strong without bugs, if you went out of your way to abuse a bug for some completely unnecessary damage i feel like that's on you

it wasn't like a decent build that got bugfixed into oblivion

it's just an op build that went from op to still op

the argument you can make is for the rip blood -> marrow shard build

that probably got gutted

[old hull]

It usually takes time to fix stuff. tbh if you build around an obvious and eggregious bug, you should expect you'll need to adjust when it gets fixed

[unique gale]

I played flay lich from league start. Anyways I'll keep playing PoE 2 instead of coming back to LE for now

[charred ridge]

i think flay is more fun without the bugs but to each their own

if anything i'm annoyed it took them this long, i quit the league almost 2 weeks ago already

might play a bit now that it's fixed

[mighty tundra]

Was rip blood > marrow shards even over performing? I league started it but it just felt "ok" like nothing crazy

TBF I don't think I even took the node they bugfixed

[charred ridge]

no

that's exactly what i'm saying

it was an "ethical" build that got obliviated by the bugfix

(of course by "ethical" i mean it had bad dmg, there was nothing ethical about all the bug abuse)

[mighty tundra]

Yeah I don't think many would have taken that node without knowing that it was bugged tbh

On paper its 2 points to a 25% node and one of them was wasted if you're proccing it from rip blood

[charred ridge]

i mean 25% more is still a ton of dmg

but of course 1.25 times 0 is still zero

[mighty tundra]

Sure but you'll gravitate first towards the big ones and then crit is right next to you at that point

It was actually really fun to clear at first but then I put it in a spreadsheet and was like eeeeeeeeeh

[charred ridge]

i think the main reason you wouldnt wanna take it is cus it requires minions and that's cringe

[craggy flax]

that was my experience with it as well a couple weeks ago, just assumed it was sacrficing itself

[mighty tundra]

True

[mighty tundra]

Yeah it's weird

Worth it for me rn but still weird

[craggy flax]

someone said there was a bug with shrines and Abom
but I couldn't reliably reproduce it
just seemed kind of random when Abom goes poof

[mighty tundra]

Mine didn't go poof with shrines

It's happening twice. Once in a corridor while we were running and when I swapped eras in the t4 Julra fight

[craggy flax]

I had it happen just in monos, in Tombs, and against Julra as well

about once per mono on average, but not always

[mighty tundra]

does it happen on normal abom builds too?

[craggy flax]

just with sac for me

[mighty tundra]

weird

[vapid kindle]

and the stash seems fixed, huge W patch imo

[charred ridge]

tbh im kinda lying the season is pretty bland aside from flay being a huge pogger skill

i'd like to play but there's nothing to do

[vapid kindle]

trying to do uber on every mastery is probably gonna keep me pretty entertained for a while

[charred ridge]

already got a [redacted] in my comment section of my ethical uber kill that the build got "fixed/nerfed )))"

the arpg community will never cease to amaze me with their aversion to reading

[mighty tundra]

man flay didn't even do it for me. I swapped to a Wildfire build after and that stung as well lol

[charred ridge]

as in, you didn't like flay?

[mighty tundra]

yeah

didn't enjoy it

[charred ridge]

i mean wildfire was a letdown for everybody so

[mighty tundra]

not saying it's a bad skill i just didn't enjoy playing it

[charred ridge]

i mean it's not for everyone

[mighty tundra]

indeed

always the risk of league starting a new skill

[charred ridge]

what was your issue with it?

i was worried it wouldn't feel smooth

like the animation i mean

the teleporting part

but it turned out fine, the range is a bit annoying tho it's pretty short

i guess EHG wouldn't want us to have too much fun

[summer patrol]

hey noobzor which version of the planner should we follow with the marrow shards fix?

[vapid kindle]

imo it's fine with army of skin and the one node that increases the distance

at baseline i agree

[charred ridge]

just replace marrow shards with whatever skill you like

death seal for maps or aura of decay (minor dmg boost on bosses)

or spec transplant for more mobility idk just use whatever really

[charred ridge]

what does army of skin even do

i dont think it changes flay

[mighty tundra]

I didn't enjoy how it felt with lower attack speed, I kinda wish it had a higher base attack rate (1.467 or smth) and a little less attack speed on the tree and after messing around with it I didn't have the motivation to fix the mana issues

[charred ridge]

flay's area of effect means range??

bro

[vapid kindle]

am i crazy i thought it did

[charred ridge]

if you'd told me earlier i mightve slammed a t7 on gloves lmfao

i mean

i always thought it was like the area of effect of the blow, and i was always like

that's a real weird stat to have

but range makes sense

ima have to ctrl-F area of effect on letools rq xdd

[charred ridge]

ah ye mana can be a bit annoying at times

[vapid kindle]

you think marrow shards isn't worth it without the bug?

[charred ridge]

like the thing is if you play properly you won't have mana issues

[vapid kindle]

like you get basically nothing from speccing death seal vs just having it unspecced

[charred ridge]

but as you scale your gear more and more the build seems to get more mana intensive as things die before all your 500 chaos bolts hit, so you get less mana refund

[mighty tundra]

that's pretty much the issue i was starting to have

[charred ridge]

and there's a bug where harvest just whiffs allegedly if you have too much attack speed?

not sure

but essentially sometimes you'll harvest rares and get zero mana back and it's really fking annoying

[mighty tundra]

i just stopped at that point

[mighty tundra]

yep i had that too

[charred ridge]

and yeah as you go up in corruption you can't harvest the small mobs anymore cause harvest doesn't kill them

so if you have maps with like a ton of magic mobs and no rares you're kinda screwed

[charred ridge]

nah spec'ed seal is great

[mighty tundra]

yeah it was harder for me too because i wanted to mess around with a dot version lol

[charred ridge]

even for just the duration

[mighty tundra]

which just doesn't work nearly as well compared to normal mana flay

[charred ridge]

but i mean you're unkillable anyway so ye it's w/e u can play without

[charred ridge]

yeah thing is mana scales your spell dmg so it doesnt make sense to not do spell dmg

i mean u can probably still make a viable build out of it, you'll just be grampa imping yourself for no real reason

g

imping

no idea why that's censored

[vapid kindle]

i can already facetank pizzas without death seal up idk if it's gonna do much for me

[mighty tundra]

I was doing something funky where I stack life, use the low life primordial chest piece and a little lower mana to scale bleed on chaos bolts. On paper it works but in practice it's not worth it

[vapid kindle]

speccing it that is

[mighty tundra]

I always gravitate towards dots tbh

[charred ridge]

i mean it's not for uber

uber you just go cold AoD and get like 10% more dmg or smth

just kill uber in 40s and you dont need any defense at all

[vapid kindle]

ye already there for that

[charred ridge]

honestly there's maybe a wandering spirit spec angle

idk

like the build already crushes everything with 4 skills so im not thinking too hard about the 5th skill

AoD is 10% dmg boost from cold pen but aside from that iuno

so would this increase your tp range?

anybody wanna test it rq

[vapid kindle]

ok so those points don't but it seems stacks from boots do

it says in the tooltip for the buff on your bar but it's not in the text on the item

[charred ridge]

that explains a lot

why the f would item description not say that

i never read the buff tooltip

[vapid kindle]

i have no idea lmfao

[charred ridge]

i mean

army of skin is not actually all that great for mana flay, it's like decent

until you take into account this newfound knowledge

of increased spirit step distance

now that's mandatory for the build

[old hull]

Does it actually function that way though? Usually buff tooltips are mega unreliable

[charred ridge]

would be good to test

it's pretty simple to test on dummies really but cba to boot the game

can wandering spirits hit the same target twice?

do they just continually tick as long as they're within enemy range

[vapid kindle]

it seemed like it does but it’s not a huge amount and i didn’t do a ton of testing

[charred ridge]

honestly the very existence of necromancer kinda upsets me

if you're a void knight and you're not really using your 5 skill slots you can always dip in paladin grab a quick symbols of hope quick healing hands, opposite also true with paladins grabbing anomaly (and, once upon a time, VR) (nvm past the chain)

as a lich if you're not using all 5 skill slots well thank god we have necromancer with a whole 2 minion skills to not play with

[lost gale]

Sacrifice has potential

it has good damage effectiveness, lots of multipliers, can double hit for ailments

few ways of automating it or otherwise casting it quickly

[charred ridge]

i mean it's kind of acceptable

how do you guys feel about skill sigils not coming out

[vapid kindle]

they seem potentially really cool but i don’t think the skills are in a state where that’s a good idea rn so i’m cool with it

[lost gale]

not too bad really, I'd rather they actually made everything do what it says it does than pile another layer of things that probably won't quite work right on top of things

[charred ridge]

i mean of course bugs need to go, but i'd also want more than just bugfixes on the 1.4 patch notes

[molten bramble]

Not sure it is just tested with marrow shards killing dummy in 16 sec vs 24 without. It is less as I used to be killing dummy in 12 secs but still seems like huge loss in dps to miss marrow.

[charred ridge]

to be fair the patch notes are pretty vague

my first thought was "but did they fix army of skin"

cause the non-army bugs were "only" like 2 to 10x more dmg (kind of unclear to me)

even if you're doing 10 times less dmg, you're still doing 10% of uber's hp pool in one hit

[vapid kindle]

mike’s words lead me to believe we’re potentially getting all the missing skills next season

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[charred ridge]

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[charred ridge]

what masteries even is that

[vapid kindle]

2 for rogue base 1 for bd 1 for shaman 1 for paladin

[charred ridge]

so BD patch

[vapid kindle]

ye

bd passives are so outdated too so i’m down

[charred ridge]

i still don't think it qualifies as content for the game overall

[vapid kindle]

i’d be cool with 5 new skills and bd update if it meant the game was actually stable and not buggy personally

[charred ridge]

basically it'll be like another 1.3 because this whole primordial stuff barely even qualifies as additional content imo (like really, 90% of the high end endgame is troves, and you can't see rift beasts in there?)

[vapid kindle]

maybe a couple other things like a couple more uber bosses or smth

[charred ridge]

like ofc the new skills are really cool, if you play them

[lost gale]

it's a shame that this was the big AoD update and it still isn't really a build

[vapid kindle]

rampant coast imprint bug(?) is pretty popular rn

[charred ridge]

it's cool but it's a 5 seconds echo like

are we really gonna put a treasure chest in a map and call it a league mechanic

[vapid kindle]

i’m just not sure we’re realistically gonna get a stable game and a big content patch within 4 months honestly

my ideal would be they delay it a month to get away from poe and we can get both

[charred ridge]

what i'd really like to see is more rampant coasts except they're not bugged, they take more than 5 seconds to clear, and you don't imprint them

like hear me out

what if you could just explore the echo web normally and randomly find like actually cool unique echoes

like citadels in poe2

[vapid kindle]

oh they did mention stuff about monolith restructuring

idk what that means but hopefully something like that

[charred ridge]

they did but from my understanding it has nothing to do with actual content, just the way things are laid out like on the world map

at least that's what Mike looked like he was hinting at idk

it didn't seem like there was any real content coming up

[vapid kindle]

i think it’s early enough that they might just be keeping the major content up their sleeve for a bit

[lost gale]

weight the woven echoes by some function of how much players actually run them and how rewarding/scarce they're meant to be and replace up to half of the echoes with them scaling up to that asymptotically with corruption or something

[vapid kindle]

mike hasn’t even done any actual teasers yet so it’s probably early to predict

[charred ridge]

i mean i'm sure they have something planned, i just don't think it's this monolith restructuring thing

and it's also not skill sigils apparently

so it's a big ❓ what awaits in 1.4

[charred ridge]

honestly i think the whole woven echo thing was a huge miss overall

it completely missed the mark on improving the endgame gameplay loop

used to be you'd just run echoes and it was kinda bland but you'd at least see different maps

now you see 3 maps, that's 1. trove, 2. rampant coast (literally 1 mob), 3. lostwood folly (literally zero loot)

i think at the very least they shouldve made most woven echoes a random map

[old hull]

They tick, basically just moving DOT puddles

[charred ridge]

thanks

after looking at it for 2 minutes tho i figured flay spirits are probably just complete garbage but it was still worth looking at

[lost gale]

idk if there are any good spirits techs tbh

life drain keeping it going indefinitely mayb

[mighty tundra]

wait what, did i miss something?

[lost gale]

I think poison spell dot benefits from the poison pen of poison overload, but I bet fissure is way way better for that

[charred ridge]

ya u missed them not coming out

[mighty tundra]

I think we need more end game content before that to be fair

[charred ridge]

to be fair afaik i don't think they've been confirmed to never come out ever

[lost gale]

some weird spirits/life drain poison spell DOT thing where you just get enough poison ailment to hit 400% pen?

[charred ridge]

but they have been confirmed to not come out in 1.4