yeah..
#💀┃acolyte
little wigeon
Not on but can watch noobzor, although his gear is pretty dam good
half kelp
i think attack speed is the final output i need for the dmg route
like, i get his first ward popped + 50% on the initial pull
with the sustain gear
not sure how much more i would need to cancel the slam
which would make everything alot easier
with managear im at 1.9k unbuffed
little wigeon
That's pretty good, I feel like I'm about the same. I rarely cancel the slam
half kelp
ooh
little wigeon
Does he drop the blue circle on the ground or do you go immediately into the triple slam?
Cuz once he does the triple slam, I use the dmg window to get to 64% and the harbringer
Then nuke harbinger, bait him into fire projectiles. Use the dmg window to go to 50% or sometimes 36% and the next harbringer
half kelp
i get the triple slam and the harb 90% of the time
i only miss it if i fatfinger the on pull frailty beam bait
so that i have space infront while he prepares slam
little wigeon
Ok yea then you are doing good 👍
little wigeon
At least you have armor shred on nihlis which is pretty pog. So you can settle for a 2LP. I needed 3LP for shred haha settled for 12% crit so I'm not capped
little wigeon
still worth using over the current one
Nah you really want that 13% crit roll. 2LP are super common, just roll prophecies. You will prob see a 3LP
Even the +skills are kinda meh tbh
Crit chance and crit multi are the two lines I prefer
half kelp
could try with this tbh
if i hit melee crit or shred
i think its better
i duplicated this also
little wigeon
You need to spell crit lol
You have shred in amulet so I would go nec pen or blind can be good too
half kelp
no melee attackspeed?
little wigeon
Since you can maintain blind on uber and not need any crit avoid
Oh I was just talking suffixes. Yea Mel spd or crit multi prefix
For a 2lp ideally you hit double prefix
Can also run some nemesis on 0lp and hope for 2lines then sacrifice it before you slam
half kelp
Yeah. Feels bad to lose the mel atk speed tho
shrewd valley
Is it a me problem, or a common one to not be able to use evade, flay, and such after entering a new echo? Seems like I can't use movement skills for a little bit after entering one, but other skills work fine as do moving around..
little wigeon
I haven't encountered that problem but game can be buggy and has been more so this season
shrewd valley
Yeah.. Prob a controller issue again 🙄
tall mural
Yeah controller support is borked, randomly just not working, really hindered my playtime because I kinda have to have one to play
versed fox
Can a mana flay pal drop their builder?
tight hawk
What helm can we use as mana flay until we get a seed? Or amulet for that matter.
versed fox
thaaank you very much
charred ridge
i league started with torment lock then respec'ed to flay so i just had a barbute 🤷♀️ could be anything
charred ridge
you don't need any lifedrain on items?
lich gets 6% leech just for existing via the passive tree
or more if you choose to get more
but 6% is plenty
versed fox
I meant life lost / sec
vapid kindle
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Noobzor/character/Vellexiaa
what’s best 2nd slam for reliquary
charred ridge
why would you need that
versed fox
to keep your life low, but I see you don't actually need to do it manually
vapid kindle
nah i’m not gonna waste a well rolled 2lp in case it gets hotfixed
charred ridge
to keep your life low, but I see you don't actually need to do it manually
there's no point in being low life
corrupted form also doesn't give it to you, it's bugged
just don't use the low life nodes they're not that good anyway
versed fox
hella
charred ridge
i did slam a 2lp reliquary actually but i quit the league before i could use it
cus 1lp with good rolls is just better lol
i used it for some uber footage where defenses dont matter anyway but ya
vapid kindle
nemesis really blessed me on that one
charred ridge
what'd you get
vapid kindle
2lp and the idol effect is 58%? i think
charred ridge
are you slamming 77 or 75
vapid kindle
ill probably go for 77
charred ridge
i mean my idol effect is 59% but it's still trash
ye cause t5 spell crit won't cap you so
might not be super helpful
vapid kindle
the other rolls on it are solid also i can’t remember exactly what it is but
charred ridge
i wouldnt settle with anything less than 18% threshold and 55% idol effect, over my 1lp
vapid kindle
i think the threshold was 15 or 16% but i don’t even have a better rolled 1lp rn 
charred ridge
which is already 16 rerolls on average
but i also kinda want 14% endurance and like other stuff is good too including the mana slam itself
i might be unlucky honestly cause i think i rerolled maybe 20 time already
and i only got above 55% twice
vapid kindle
i have like 3 nests total rn because i’ve been playing a lot of other builds
charred ridge
MG might be the move next season ngl
if there's no dupe
i havent tried MG this season but it looks nice
vapid kindle
i played mg for like 2 weeks in season 1 because i spent all my stash tab money on lightless arbor gamba lmfao and i absolutely hated the experience
charred ridge
ye but it's different now
tight hawk
I was running harvast flay, switched to mana flay but I don't think I have the gear. This experience is not good.
charred ridge
send planner
brisk elk
i havent tried MG this season but it looks nice
will hopefully be less dead too if poe2 doesnt drop a league right after season starts
brisk elk
yesterday i dropped a near perfect lp4 jelkhors blast knife while leveling my sentinel
only for rogue channel to tell me the builds dead lol
vapid kindle
even blast rain basically became unplayable bc of mana sustain unfortunately
i do wonder if new itemization makes it playable again
brisk elk
well if nothing else i got a couple havocs so far
well 45 portal charms done
i probably shouldve just done t1 for more stardials
but it was worth a shot
vapid kindle
i spent a stupid amount of time and keys last season trying to get a 2t7 vessel so i feel your pain
strong ether
Wth is wrong with the mana flay gameplay loop? I finally had the gear ready and switched from harvest flay but I am oom constantly… how do I sustain mana with a cd on harvest?
brisk elk
its pretty annoying you just gotta make sure to harvest rares
vapid kindle
or if you go a while without finding a rare you just try and harvest the biggest pack you can
ideally a rare but you do wanna be using it basically whenever it’s off cooldown in my experience
versed fox
damn. Mana flay is really good.
I didn't think it would be so much better without any gear swaps
but wow. it's really good.
I only have 500 mana, too
charred ridge
Wth is wrong with the mana flay gameplay loop? I finally had the gear ready and ...
stop spamming flay
1 flay clears a whole pack but it takes a second before your spells actually proc
if you spam flay 3 times waiting for your procs to kill a pack you're using 3x the mana
that being said you should never run out of mana as long as you're harvesting every 5 seconds, no matter how much you spam
visual wigeon
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMjz4pNo should i be able to do Uber yet?
stuck owlBOT
charred ridge
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMjz4pNo should i be able to do Uber yet?
i mean have you tried it lol
visual wigeon
yeah
maybe just a skill issue feels like dps is to low and then the whole arena is full of shit
charred ridge
you don't need MFD in reaper form you already have it on flay, and you also don't need 3 points on flay's MFD node
send footage if you can
gut feeling is this gear can do it but it wouldn't be like a walk in the park
you have decent ehp so i also dont imagine it'd be nigh impossible but yeah like standard difficulty i guess
visual wigeon
i can get him to about 80% ward on the start of the fight
charred ridge
i mean it should be killable but if you have trouble doing it just get more gear
theres room for more mana on idols
visual wigeon
right so more idols any other piece thats ez to upgrade for significant dps?
charred ridge
2lp valeroot with double mana slam
your gear is pretty clean for a first kill
assuming this is an alt
i mean i know it's an alt
but ye still pretty clean gear
get a 12% mana high res nihilis
you dont need +2 all skills
higher res will make up for the loss of res idols
your endurance is not capped
it's like you're missing 20% hp
put this in your filter use 3 of them
visual wigeon
yeh its an alt, day 2. right ill grab some of those
charred ridge
(nihilis is pretty optional just do it if you feel like it)
idols are just like
the main course of progression for this build lol
idk how much mana you're missing exactly but i figure it's prob like 200
visual wigeon
1626 in town atm
charred ridge
generally ppl kill it with 1800 to 2000
did you not beat uber on main?
cause vise is pretty damn huge for survival
visual wigeon
main is a cascade bd so no 😛
charred ridge
if you can get to 2nd harby you can kill
i'm not telling you to keep grinding it but it shouldnt be too hard with some more gear
like once again, i have no idea what you're dying to, but if you're getting overwhelmed by puddles and stuff, you'll be 20% tankier just from capping your endurance
you can also take accursed feast
for a whole bunch more leech to counter lasers and stuff, i wouldn't take it for maps cause it makes your leech shorter
but uber makes a better usecase for this node considering you wont really not be hitting uber, so you should always be leeching in that fight
though ideally, dont stand in puddles lmao but can't really avoid lasers in last phase
visual wigeon
yeah im getting overwhelmed by stuff on the ground
charred ridge
ye cap endurance and try using accursed feast next time
if you want to cheese it further also go 3/3 here
instead of 3/4 MFD which doesnt really make sense
essentially this node is bugged
1.5% leech is actually 150%
🤷♀️
do what you will with this information lmao
visual wigeon
hehe alright
pearl snow
TRUESIGHT GLASS AND TRINITY OF FLAMES INTERACT
I can have like 30% crit chance and truesights ability is proccing lmao
visual wigeon
might just keep going with what im currently wearing, seemed like a skill issue
charred ridge
ye it def looked like the gear was clean enough
not a walk in the park but also shouldnt take like insane mechanical skills either
visual wigeon
did do ur skill and passive recommendations and found some endurance idols
charred ridge
that screenshot is basically a kill
visual wigeon
first uber ever, thanks for the build
orchid heron
took me 10 tries to get a 2LP Traitor's Togue with T7/T5 Melee Cold/Atk Spd. But when I finally did, i used the gauntlet of strife node to sacrifice 8 of those previous failures to a 2LP one that increased my Harvest DPS by almost 10%
charred ridge
first uber ever, thanks for the build
yw, glad you enjoyed it lol
do you have an estimate of how long the kill took? just curious
i'd bet around 3 minutes maybe 4?
visual wigeon
yeah i think so, ill time myself tomorrow, time for bed as you can see on the clock in that screenshot
charred ridge
took me 10 tries to get a 2LP Traitor's Togue with T7/T5 Melee Cold/Atk Spd. But...
the one silver lining when bricking items
orchid anchor
First character of the season. Doing a Lich. Do I go left or right? 👀
charred ridge
always right
visual wigeon
so mana scales our dmg from the chaos rip node?
charred ridge
it's quadratic scaling
deadly plot + the chaos bolts node
you throw more bolts and they also do more damage
that's why even 100 mana is actually an insane damage increase
well 100 mana is significant, 200 is insane
there's also a lot of stuff tied to marrow shards, that skill is bugged and does a ton more dmg than it's supposed to
marrow shards also have quadratic scaling based off mana
visual wigeon
yeah holy, guess i outta read more i just copied ur acolytes tree
brisk elk
void knight
you can get forgotten knight set + mad alchemists now for 201% dmg
for void spells
i think this ones getting sold tho because i only really need lp1
primordial uniques seem to be by far the best way to make money deterministically
along with idols
charred ridge
not imprints?
idk my money maker last season was just "deterministically" (bar havoc RNG) crafting meta imprints and selling them for gold cap
brisk elk
that too but primordials are 100% guaranteed money every time you buy
charred ridge
1 proc = 1 gold cap xdd
brisk elk
i dont have any meta imprinds yet lol
charred ridge
ya i feel like ppl would spend more on a crafted 77 than on primordials
but iuno
like i'm curious what a 77 mana% +mana would go for
or a 77 necro flat/crit multi
(i mean obviously you can sell both im just wondering)
eternal ember
IF possible id love some input from some necromancers, Im going for a fire minion build while also having it so they can inflict poison too so minion and DOT build. Im using bone curse as with all the attacks they do it racks up damage like crazy. But im not sure if i should use points to increase there attack and cast speed or spend points to instead increase there damage and leave there attack speed at base. If i go all in on attack speed how will that look? is it worth it or pretty negligible.
obtuse quest
IF possible id love some input from some necromancers, Im going for a fire minio...
Attack speed and cast speed is the 2nd reason why everyone and their mom runs Dread Shade in Necromancer builds.
eternal ember
so you would say prioritizing that over more damage increases would be a better move?
eternal ember
even them out a bit?
obtuse quest
Well there really isn’t that much clashing between minion attack/cast speed and minion damage, so you’ll have ample slots to get both
eternal ember
i havent looked too much into shade ill be honest so i might do that and see whats up with it, was thinking of doing volitile zombie for a spam ability just so its not minion and run simulator.
obtuse quest
Any necro build that doesn’t use dread shade is effectively trolling, fyi
eternal ember
Im meaning more so the individual trees of my mages, and archers they have skills for more damage and attack speed
oh good to know had no idea it was that strong
obtuse quest
Im meaning more so the individual trees of my mages, and archers they have skill...
That would mostly depend on what you want that minion to acomplish
Dot/debuff focused? Attack speed. Crit focused? Damage and crit stats etc.
eternal ember
im trying to avoid online builds just cause i enjoy coming to my own conclusion on builds as i play. that part im still figuring out. i love the death by millions of numbers with bone curse, and the DOT came cause i made the fire so thats fire DOT and in the class tree there is the4 one to have a chance to poision on hit so put just a little into that so add to the DOT. ive avoided crit and attack speed so far more so just cause i wasent sure how viable.
another reason for dot is a scaling infinite damage source for bosses incase my minion damage wasent enough
obtuse quest
Most builds focus on one or the other. Crit or DoT. Trying to do both results in both being mid instead of one being strong.
(Also Bone Curse’s damage depends on your stats, not the minion’s)
eternal ember
i see okay, ill try them both out once im a bit further so when i respec it wont take forever and the gold to fuel it. yeah its INT and physical damage if i remember right. i just know the more attack speed the more hits they get off. its the reason i havent made bone cure have the skill where it does more but falls off after a few hits or is the toggle
im assuming the wraith would be better over bone golem?
obtuse quest
i see okay, ill try them both out once im a bit further so when i respec it wont...
Well, you don't have any self-damage increases most likely because you'll use those for minion damage increases, which is the core factor.
obtuse quest
im assuming the wraith would be better over bone golem?
Golems are good if you want a tanky beatstick. Wraiths are glass cannons basically.
eternal ember
im not use to a caster class so i like the golems to take aggro away from me and my minions as im going for my archers and mages basically never dieing
but if i can kill them faster then they can kill me is also nice haha, im not too experianced with the end game
obtuse quest
There's monolith modifiers that will make enemies beeline for you and ignore your minions, i hope you build defenses for yourself.
eternal ember
oh yeah im not ignoring the health and armor nodes
brisk elk
like i'm curious what a 77 mana% +mana would go for
thats why i made a sentinel
so i can spam nemeses for that specifically lol
coral delta
For flay mana lich, is it normal to randomly get 1 tap at 500 corruption?
I keep getting randomly 1 tap by stuff lolll
I guess just have to keep moving around
charred ridge
send planner?
coral delta
One second, let me check how to do that at work...
charred ridge
just need your account name
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ <<accountname
but to answer your question it's normal to get 1 tapped if you don't try not to get 1 tapped
coral delta
stuck owlBOT
coral delta
Does this work?
I normally wear brew master belt with t7 health and t5 hybrid health while mapping
coral delta
While mapping right?
With reliquary nest do I switch any of my idols or stick to stacking mana still
coral delta
while everything
Ohhh, even for uberroth?
charred ridge
ye
charred ridge
i don't know what your damage numbers look like in maps but you're like
not even close to crit cap
traitor's tongue + crit chance blessing (instead of multi) will bring you to like 140% crit chance or some shit so you can also drop your gloves & the phantom rings
coral delta
Oh!
I can replace grasp with immortal vise then and 1 ring with a red ring if that's the case
charred ridge
reliquary nest will give you a metric frickton of endurance and endurance threshold and a ton of hp (via idols) so you can drop the endurance blessing and use armor blessing instead
coral delta
i don't know what your damage numbers look like in maps but you're like
Pretty much 1 tapping most stuff but I randomly die to floor aoe if I stop moving
charred ridge
that'll probably double your ehp basically
coral delta
reliquary nest will give you a metric frickton of endurance and endurance thresh...
Ooooh niceee
charred ridge
Pretty much 1 tapping most stuff but I randomly die to floor aoe if I stop movin...
i mean i was referring to crits
im assuming you see a bunch of white numbers
charred ridge
I can replace grasp with immortal vise then and 1 ring with a red ring if that's...
i mean i was assuming you were league starting
if you have gear from other chars then use immortal vise that'll also double your ehp and yeah 2 red rings
coral delta
Actually very rarely, mostly I see yellow numbers. I think I'll try to swap to crit rate blessing and wear 2 red rings and immortal vise instead with reliquary nest
coral delta
Thank you!
charred ridge
idols all look the same but they are actually not
coral delta
My god 2lp immortal vise
charred ridge
there's 2 of these
you might need 3 depending on your endurance rolls on relic & belt
coral delta
Ahh ok
charred ridge
you need armor shred somewhere (gloves dagger or amulet)
if you're stuck on 1lp vise and 1lp nihilis then the easiest place to get it is 2lp traitor's tongue
coral delta
Time to farm 3lp traitor tongue I guess...
coral delta
Ah nice I should have a few 2lp lying around
charred ridge
i hit necrotic pen on mine thats why i have shred on gloves but ideally you want melee aspd on gloves
and shred on a 3lp
but shred on a 2lp is fine on budget
coral delta
This can still comfortably clear ubberoth right? (I'm currently farming him on my reflect shaman but it's not a comfortable 100% clear)
coral delta
Wtf 36s????
charred ridge
gets faster with bugs
3 days into the league it was 70s ethical and 50s with bugs so ye it's comfortable
coral delta
I see you use julra ring for ubberoth instead for the extra mana
coral delta
3 days into the league it was 70s ethical and 50s with bugs so ye it's comfortab...
Holy....
charred ridge
it's not really for the extra mana it's more for the fact that they give you 1500% increased dmg
coral delta
What's the one with bug? So I can know to avoid it 😈
coral delta
it's not really for the extra mana it's more for the fact that they give you 150...
That's insane
charred ridge
yeah stardials are the best items in the game
coral delta
So stardials for ubber, red ring for mapping
charred ridge
depends on your goal, you kinda need to not be clueless if you use stardials
they're a lot more efficient if you know what you're doing
but idk if you're not that type of player you can use red rings it's fine too
coral delta
I tend to have skill issue so I guess red ring for me would be better
charred ridge
i was messing around with a non-glass cannon setup and you can tank just about everything
coral delta
Dayummmm
charred ridge
if you're skill issued you can use red rings
like idk i think personally it's a lot easier to just use stardials and kill the boss before it does anything but
everybody is different
coral delta
That's true, the last phase is damn pain even on reflect shaman where I can just unlimited heal but takes awhile for him to die
Also how are you getting so many double t7, just spam nemesis tower and pray he gives you double t7?
stuck owlBOT
charred ridge
^somebody earlier was asking about uber
this was their gear
they killed it with just a few minor adjustments in passives/skill point allocation
you can scroll up
coral delta
Holy... You have resources for everything. Awesome
charred ridge
but ofc they didnt have uber gear so if you have immortal vise it'll be even easier
coral delta
Oh wow that gear is very achievable (besides I need 1 extra 1lp red ring which I haven't seen in days, I guess I can substitute it for julra ring)
charred ridge
just gotta replace dagger relic & rings for the most part
you can substitute for font of the erased as well
stardial is fine too
coral delta
Niceee
charred ridge
font of the erased will just keep your ward up at all times
coral delta
Also reliquary is not worth to replace even if I have 2lp shattered world right?
I got lucky and nemesis egg gave me but sadly it's just +1 to all attribute
charred ridge
i mean technically with a 2lp SW you can get like 5% more dmg compared to a reliquary nest/traitor's tongue setup
but you'll lose a lot of survivability
coral delta
Ah, I'll stick to reliquary then and hold on to that SW for another build
Thanks for answering all my questions!!!
charred ridge
ye like your SW also needs perfect rolls etc it's not really a realistic setup
theoretically it can be "better" but in practice you'll never come across that situation
coral delta
Ya.. For sure
charred ridge
gl lmk if you beat it
coral delta
Sure thing, will work on it after work today
charred ridge
and for the body armor i'd suggest 2lp valeroot btw with t7 mana% t5 flat mana
coral delta
Rather than mantle?
charred ridge
yeah mantle is more for maps
i mean it's fine against uber too
it's just 2lp valeroot is a ton of damage and it's easy to get
coral delta
Ah ok I'll keep an eye on that too then
charred ridge
ye mana% is only available on rogue & sentinel body armors
so you gotta craft on those
coral delta
ye mana% is only available on rogue & sentinel body armors
Ohhh won't that make the chest be fixed to rogue/Sentinel once I slam?
charred ridge
nope
cause it's shared by 2 different classes
game doesnt have dual class restrictions
charred ridge
devs said it's not intended but they've known about it for years so... if they didn't want it to be a thing they had plenty of time to change it 🤷♀️
coral delta
😂
carmine harbor
hey guys when i watch the uber kills i see you guys stunning him how are you's doing that? im getting through 60% of his shield before the first wave but time to time he gets stunned and restarts the mech
charred ridge
it's just marrow shards bugging out dealing too much dmg
and thus stunning him
pretty much random
carmine harbor
ah ok cool thanks i was wondering what that was haha.
carmine harbor
It would have been fixed already if it's a bug.
haha i like your way of thinking.
strong ether
stop spamming flay
Thx I indeed did that. How does your planner compare to the maxroll one? I have the maxroll all lp1 for the start. 1100 mana. How do you get crit with RR?
carmine harbor
Thx I indeed did that. How does your planner compare to the maxroll one? I have ...
noobz planner is so much better then maxroll's IMO. i followed noobz planner made some changes now and im 1800c and climbing and uber abby goes down easy
strong ether
noobz planner is so much better then maxroll's IMO. i followed noobz planner mad...
Nice! Will just need a second RR then will switch
astral zephyr
I want to boost my xp on my alt character can somebody help me invite me to monos? Please! Thank you!
short arch
I need some help with a build I've got 5 points into unbound necromancy and 4 skill points into immortal onto my summon skeletons Im summoning 1 1 Skeletal Mage, 1 Wraith, 1 Bone Golem and all of my Summon Skeleton Warriors then consuming them with summon abomination to my understanding the summon skeletons is supposed to loop??? that's the only way i undeerstand this build to work because the abomination is constantly draining life or am I missing something? Im using dread shade aura of decay and bone curse after I summon
should I just link the build guide? is this a meme build that doesn't actually work?
obtuse quest
I need some help with a build I've got 5 points into unbound necromancy and 4 sk...
Abom draining life while idle sounds like it's abberant call's fault
short arch
its not draining life while idle its just using the other skills I listed drains the life of it while fighting and it seems a lot squishier than before I switched over to this build guide
yet the build guide claims the abomination should be practically unkillable
its dread shade is killing it like almost instantly
yeah I think this build is 100% meme
no way this is supposed to work
obtuse quest
Did you take the node that cuts it's cooldowns but makes it lose hp per skill cast?
short arch
I did take that node should I respec that?
even without that wouln't the dread shade still kill it?
obtuse quest
Lmao, dread shade's drain is nothing compared to that node deleting abom's health bar.
Try removing it and see, dread shade's drain only kills on idle. Unless your abom has zero leech.
(This assumes your dread shade does not have lone watcher)
short arch
I didn't have lone watcher Ifeel dumb XD
I took out contaminated dreams too he says in the build guide only to spec that for bosses
thanks for all the help
okay my abomination is not dying anymore LETS GOOOO
oh my god its hitting in the millions wtf
obtuse quest
👍
short arch
okay not a meme build! lol im just stupid sometimes and didnt read XD
thanks again for the help bro
how is your build going Kzb?
obtuse quest
I feel like people keep specing that node and not realizing that murders your abom on non-bosses lmao
I'm still trying to cook something stupid stupid lmao
short arch
lel well I hope it goes well for you man
I feel like I wanna do a shuriken build after this be a ninja
obtuse quest
It's going to be ass for proper usage.
It's a matter of "Will it do what I expect it to do"
short arch
well I hope it do the do
lost gale
Try removing it and see, dread shade's drain only kills on idle. Unless your abo...
well dread shade will eventually kill the abom no matter what, the drain is per second per second so 3% then 6% then 9% then 12% etc
obtuse quest
Doesn't dread's drain ramp pretty slowly?
lost gale
it's 3% hp per second per second
so after ten seconds it should be 30% hp/s
which is a very short lifespan for an abom really
old hull
Dread shade with the base drain is pretty much unusable 😔
cyan steppe
I’m trying to kill uber abberoth for first time as flay lich and I’m struggling a bit, anyone able to help me out?
I’ve got around 1650 mana and 2300 hp in buffed. I am definitely hitting the dps thresholds but if he melee hits me one time I pop out of lich form.
My gear: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om8w2Y5B
is it a defense issue or a get good issue?
stuck owlBOT
coral delta
Uber down on my Lich @charred ridge !! very comfortable lol, all I have to do is dodge his 3-slam and his line aoe
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olbJd1VQ
Killed it with this build, big thanks to you advice!!
stuck owlBOT
cyan steppe
Uber down on my Lich <@177836786435883008> !! very comfortable lol, all I have t...
Could you take a look at my build above and see where my weak links are? I’m struggling on him, mostly due to getting bonked out of lich form
coral delta
Could you take a look at my build above and see where my weak links are? I’m str...
you can scroll up a bit to see my conversation with Noobzer, I was pretty much on the same build you were
I swap to reliquiary nest instead and use traitor's tongue for my off-hand
cyan steppe
What is the thought on traitor tongue, more crit?
Did the reliquary nest give you a significant boost? I opted not to after playing around in build planner but maybe I need to try it in game
coral delta
yup traitor tongue gave more crit chance and reliquary nest makes your idols give way more mana
also 1lp immortal vise is not required
cyan steppe
Do you drop lick form if he melee hits you? Or are you able to tank one
coral delta
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMjz4pNo
Noobzer shared earlier, there was another person that cleared with similar gear
stuck owlBOT
obtuse quest
I'm surprised people aren't instantly using nest on mana flay, since it's a mega source of mana.
coral delta
Do you drop lick form if he melee hits you? Or are you able to tank one
oh i can't tank the melee hit, I just dodge them. I basically hug his side when i can
cyan steppe
Aight I’ll try swapping the dagger, and relic. Can probably also then swap to red rings, which mean I need to farm some lp red rings lol
coral delta
Aight I’ll try swapping the dagger, and relic. Can probably also then swap to re...
if you have julra ring laying around, it should work too, it gives tons of damage
because tbh you will want to dodge all the stuff that one shots you anyways, and you outleach most of the DoT so you don't really need the 10% damage reduction from red ring
cyan steppe
I’ve got a bunch of those. Fewer good rings to slam then uniques to slam them on.
Hmmm ok good call. Are capping rez even important then for the fight?
coral delta
this was my rez (I guess maybe that's why his melee attack 1shots me lol)
cyan steppe
Nah they 1 shot me too at 75 pr with 2300 hp and full ward.
The max roll guide has a few more + health slams so I was wondering if those helped tank that hit
coral delta
ah...
cyan steppe
But I like the dagger and relic and ring swap ideas. If I can’t take the hit then I mind as well try to explode him even faster
coral delta
the the reliquary gives you way more mana and this build scales more with mana i believe
my initial reason of swapping to this was because i kept getting 1 tap at 500 corruption with the maxroll build
after i swap i no longer get 1 tap
cyan steppe
Yep it does. Maybe the build planner didn’t do the math properly, I’ll try it in game!
Is the idea with ox chest to direct dmg to the minions made by our boots then? Do we just not care about being crit?
coral delta
Is the idea with ox chest to direct dmg to the minions made by our boots then? D...
I'm not sure tbh, but if I were to guess it's because you're avoiding any direct hit from uberroth anyways, so maybe there's no reason to take crit avoid?
visual wigeon
do you have an estimate of how long the kill took? just curious
Hmm was only 2m30s, guess it just feels longer. Timed it today same gear
cyan steppe
I'm not sure tbh, but if I were to guess it's because you're avoiding any direct...
I saw another post on youtube that kills him with similar variant in 37 seconds, he uses Valeroot chest for the additional + mana
coral delta
that might be the video by Noobzer
cyan steppe
Oh speaking of which, is it possible to get a %mana chest to drop while playing acolyte? Or do I need to play sentinal or rogue for that
visual wigeon
u can get that
what Noobzor said was that both rogue and sentinel can use the %mana affix making it not class restricted for acolyte
cyan steppe
Kk, I put it on my loot filter but haven’t seen one in a few days. Maybe they are just rare on acolyte
visual wigeon
and im using it myself right now
yeah u gotta find another class' chest piece as acolyte
coral delta
Kk, I put it on my loot filter but haven’t seen one in a few days. Maybe they ar...
ya it can't drop on an Acolyte Chestpiece
cyan steppe
Yea, so it would be more rare then.
coral delta
possibly yeah
I played a bit of FG so I had a mana% sentinel chest lying around (thankfully)
visual wigeon
could imprint that as acolyte to get more
cyan steppe
So I would need to find a t6/7 first with %mana right? Then imprint
Or am I missing something
visual wigeon
any t7 of rogue/sentinel then u can craft %mana and havoc it
cyan steppe
can do the same for the helmet if u wanna go with Seed of Ekkidrasil
Damn lol. I’ll see if swapping wep and relic and rings is enough then I’ll farm those after if not. Ty!
Maybe I’ll try valeroot too
visual wigeon
What i was told that increases to mana are really insane as you quadrouple dip into damage scaling with that, guess thats why valeroot is so good
broken star
Its tough switching from tanks paladin to glass cannon lich. I keep dying from poor health and reaper management. Any tips? Sitting on 260 mana and 950 health
obtuse quest
Wait, not even 1k health?
broken star
recently swapped to lich after doing initial monolith, currently level 54. It's my alt
oh wait I'm sitting at 512/1025
little wigeon
Are you running a build? It's still kinda early. Lot of stuff can delete normal mono
Although most choose to run warlock till later. I ran a rip blood lich
pallid barn
Is there a cap on the mana scaling node in summon skeleton mage?
little wigeon
Yea man its going to be rough. You want to get your mana up. You want the unique weapons or at least necrotic spell/mel on both weapons
broken star
Yeah its gonna be tough finding uniques with potential that I can slam necro on
obtuse quest
Is there a cap on the mana scaling node in summon skeleton mage?
No, no cap.
charred ridge
Thx I indeed did that. How does your planner compare to the maxroll one? I have ...
use traitors tongue for crit
charred ridge
Uber down on my Lich <@177836786435883008> !! very comfortable lol, all I have t...
nice grats
charred ridge
Hmm was only 2m30s, guess it just feels longer. Timed it today same gear
nice, marrow shards op
charred ridge
I'm surprised people aren't instantly using nest on mana flay, since it's a mega...
probably cause maxroll uses a t8 rune dagger and lagon's relic instead
visual wigeon
how common is a 2lp tithe?
little wigeon
its on the "rarer" side but still obtainable
LP3 traitors is actually more common than lp2 tithe lol
strong ether
use traitors tongue for crit
Blood mage gloves until I beat uber or go for eternal?
charred ridge
you don't need more crit
gloves are an easy way to get shred so exalted gloves are convenient on a budget
just use crit chance blessing
visual wigeon
its on the "rarer" side but still obtainable
Yeah wondering how strickt i should be with my slam then
little wigeon
pretty strict imo
charred ridge
depends on the rolls imo
charred ridge
Yeah wondering how strickt i should be with my slam then
whats the mana roll per stack of spirit battery?
visual wigeon
4 3 22 last 3 rolls
tight hawk
Do blessings such as crit chance blessing, show when looking at your character sheet or is that not accounted for?
obtuse quest
Do blessings such as crit chance blessing, show when looking at your character s...
Accounted for.
Also pretty sure the crit chance blessing is increased crit chance
shrewd valley
How come most people use the traitors tounge dagger instead of the primordial one?
For mana flay*
Is it to use another primordial unique? Or the crit + int skills and easier lp?
lost gale
How come most people use the traitors tounge dagger instead of the primordial on...
easy LP, crit multi good, +13% base crit good, primordial relic good for mana stacking, +skills good, melee damage to spell damage conversion from axe makes the lack of flat a non-issue
shrewd valley
Gotcha, loads of reasons then. Need to find a dagger with good exalts to slam.. And a traitors with good rolls. So many things I need haha
Thanks for the answer!
molten bramble
Gotcha, loads of reasons then. Need to find a dagger with good exalts to slam.. ...
Honestly you loose too many other stats either defensive or offensive to cap your crit if using a primordial dagger. Traitor's Tongue just allows you to cap crit with minimal investment
little wigeon
lmfao i guess this was a necessary fix
obtuse quest
oof
vapid kindle
the t8 is a ton of flat but ye it makes it way harder to cap crit in a way that doesn’t screw your defenses
charred ridge
oof
yoooooooooooooooooooo
i reported that bug
ppl told me "it's not a bug, with corrupted form you're already under 50% thats why it doesnt proc"
na na na na na
i have sick ass ward now
love that
tight hawk
What is soul barrier?
charred ridge
tight hawk
Oh that's sick
charred ridge
essentially it caps your ward every 6 seconds
might or might not need to take the "int to poison res" node in reaper form to get full value
strong ether
gloves are an easy way to get shred so exalted gloves are convenient on a budget
Thx so much
little wigeon
crit multi/armor shred
potent hemlock
i got crit multi x2 on both weapons
and armor shred on dagger
more crit multi is fine?
little wigeon
yea why not, its a crit build
bleak barn
Now we can't make a bone curse as an aura. Am I right?
lost gale
Now we can't make a bone curse as an aura. Am I right?
bone curse aura works fine? what makes you think otherwise?
bleak barn
I take this node and the bone curse does not become an aura.
lost gale
I take this node and the bone curse does not become an aura.
do you have oppressive gaze or illusion of pain?
bleak barn
bleak barn
i know, i use it 🙂
sturdy rune
There are nodes that can't be applied because there's a problem right after the patch..
The curse of the bones doesn't work...
edgy juniper
ok so it's not only me
basically bone curse isn't working at all. It's not putting mark of death on anything, the mana nodes aren't applying, it doesn't apply to minions
i even despecialized and re-leveled it and the tree isn't working at all, i already put in a bug report in the in-game system
sturdy rune
I also reported a bug.
I hope you revise it quickly.
zinc flower
yeah I think it just isn't using giving any bonuses for allocated points atm it seems
tight hawk
Any resources on endurance and how that works?
Suggested method for idol farming? We do ever reroll them?
kindred wyvern
Any resources on endurance and how that works?
in game guide (G) -> endurance
little wigeon
endurance is pretty straightforward. if you are at your endurance threshold, you get damage reduction based on your endurance % (cap at 60). it only affects hp, not ward
kindred wyvern
and yes bone curse is broken, the nodes aren't applying at all. just submitted bug report
vapid kindle
endurance is pretty straightforward. if you are at your endurance threshold, you...
also worth noting that it also applies to the hit that took you below the threshold, ie if you were at 5000 hp and 1000 threshold and took a 4500 hit 500 would be mitigated by endurance
little wigeon
true should have been more clear on that
edgy juniper
in short most builds usually go for 60% endurance after getting 100% crit avoidance
up in the air if you really need much endurance threshold
charred ridge
vapid kindle
the only builds that really get value from building threshold are lich builds because threshold baseline is 20% of your max hp so for everything else you can raise your threshold by just… building more hp instead
charred ridge
imprint/77 crafting guide updated with datamined info
pearl snow
and yes bone curse is broken, the nodes aren't applying at all. just submitted b...
Which nodes?
kindred wyvern
Which nodes?
all of them
pearl snow
Thats just false lol
kindred wyvern
it's not applying mark for death, the aura node doesn't work, the area node doesnt seem to work
i'm not the only one with this problem since the patch
did you test it yourself? curious if it's working for anyone
pearl snow
Yeah, I just dont run aura
kindred wyvern
but the other nodes are working?
kindred wyvern
weird. i just tested again, no mark for me, even if i unspec aura. are you lich or?
zinc flower
None are working for me either, abom setup/not aura. Playing offline though if that matters
dark fossil
@kindred wyvernJust logged and I have been having issues with bone curse as well. I noticed it wasn't applying "Marked for Death" now even though I have the sigil of morality node. It also appears that the node that gives wider area of effect isn't applying either because my curse has a really small radius. I submitted a bug report as well.
pearl snow
weird. i just tested again, no mark for me, even if i unspec aura. are you lich ...
Lock atm
edgy juniper
if it's working for you, that's crazy. I even did a full respec and literally none of the tree is working whatsoever
kindred wyvern
Maybe it’s only working for warlocks. Who knows. Hopefully EHG fixes soon
nah it's not working on my legacy warlock either. same problems.
slim niche
ha, you guys already noticed that somethings wrong with killthresholds? Playing warlock, and noticed that bonecurse killthreshold is not working at all (brittle bones node)
craggy flax
you do anything like this yet? i tried a bleed version and the damage was disappointing
edgy juniper
@slim niche bone curse is broken at the moment.. like the tree isn't applying at all to the ability
for me, mark for death, curse minion, increased dmg, even mana efficiency aren't working at all
slim niche
yeah just red your discussion here, just went to check and yea seems like none of the tree is working
slim niche
for me, mark for death, curse minion, increased dmg, even mana efficiency aren't...
it is the same for me
time to write some bugreports
midnight phoenix
They know and are working on it. Not sure how long hotfixes take to get pushed.
onyx shadow
Oh crap, wrong thread.
viscid geyser
Dang I was hoping lich fixs but they gave use more bugs. Feels bad
kindred wyvern
Dang I was hoping lich fixs but they gave use more bugs. Feels bad
hotfix is out
plain granite
I did notice
it didnt apply the thingies to my minions anymore
is it fixed
and that the area was so small
becausse it didnt get the imp area node
nothing works lol
ok its fixed now
my skellies do damage again
candid plinth
you do anything like this yet? i tried a bleed version and the damage was disapp...
Nope. Haven't had a chance.
broken star
Alright I figured it out. Flay Lich is super fun
Also, I noticed the longer I stay in reaper form, the quicker it drains after a while. Sustain is enough to fend off mobs till cooldown comes back, but just wanted to point that out
obtuse quest
Also, I noticed the longer I stay in reaper form, the quicker it drains after a ...
Yes, Reaper Form's drain ramps.
charred ridge
is stygian coal still bugged?
coral delta
Is it normal I ran nemesis tower like... 40 times last night and I got everything but double t7 knife, belt, boots, gloves
obtuse quest
is stygian coal still bugged?
No bug fixes related to it, so maybe?
charred ridge
f
grim field
whts the closest we can get to popcorn ignite?
pearl snow
Infernal Shade pops? maybe?
grim field
ya it was either that or was thinking of the zombies but idk how they can trigger ignite
pearl snow
you can do zombies proc shades but thats about it. As far as pure ignite goes I think the only fast hitting ability is CB
grim field
CB?
nvm chaos bolt
ya i ran a tormen/plague build was amazing was hoping ignite could do the same like popcorn prolif from poe1\
so can zombies do fire dmg/trigger ignite on hit?
obtuse quest
so can zombies do fire dmg/trigger ignite on hit?
Yes and yes, but you need minion X stats to scale instead of the usual affixes
obtuse quest
so minion crit/dmg/health?
Yup.
grim field
so u can equip 2 at time for x2 summons?
pearl snow
ya i ran a tormen/plague build was amazing was hoping ignite could do the same l...
Unless they make the Wildfire amulet transfer all stacks itll be hard to get that feeling
pearl snow
so u can equip 2 at time for x2 summons?
2 rings = 2 zombies
grim field
Unless they make the Wildfire amulet transfer all stacks itll be hard to get tha...
ya ik that was my first primordial i grinded for it was disappointing
does awakening presence stack with rings?
pearl snow
it just acts like normal. Its for any minion death
grim field
so could i get a 3rd to summon?
also since this would be a ignite/fire would warlock be a better choice?
obtuse quest
so could i get a 3rd to summon?
Yes, but note that the node doesn't not proc from zombie deaths.
pearl snow
If you want to mainly ignite with the zombies themselves necro might be worth it
obtuse quest
also since this would be a ignite/fire would warlock be a better choice?
And lose all the minion damage nodes necro could give you?
grim field
thats what i was curious about cuz warlock has a lot of ignite/dot dmg in the tree
obtuse quest
thats what i was curious about cuz warlock has a lot of ignite/dot dmg in the tr...
Which all only works for yourself.
The only reason you would run non-necro minion builds is because you're using a mastery exclusive skill, like apocalypse Profane Veil Warlock. (This build works but is VERY jank, not recommended except for memes)
obtuse quest
Anything that doesn't say "minion" does not affect minions.
Most non-necro nodes that could boost minions are at the early half, so there's no reason to pick their respective masteries for that reason
obtuse quest
so for ammy should be the normal for bone curse right?
If you're running ignite, yeah swine is the default pick as usual and get decrepty for the dot boost
grim field
soo looks like zombie/infernal shade/dread shade/bone curse/transplant?
obtuse quest
Other than you're looking at infernal being support and zombies doing most of the damage, yes.
grim field
ya zombies main dmg that summong infernals on death to keep ignites going
obtuse quest
The ignites from infernal won't do much other than existing but yea
grim field
ya its there for more of a ignite sustain till zombies go off again
passives skills are done just need to figure out gear/idols and i can start getting it there
blazing herald
did latest patch fix marrow shards?
coral delta
did latest patch fix marrow shards?
Like fix the bug where it's dealing more damage than it should?
blazing herald
yeah
coral delta
I'm not sure but i did uberroth before and after the patch with same build (mana flay lich) and feel no difference
So I guess they didn't "fix" it?
pearl snow
Nothing in the notes about it
lost gale
so can zombies do fire dmg/trigger ignite on hit?
if you use the fire conversion in zombie tree, serpents milk, dragonflame edict and pop them with chaos bolts I think you can get 7 ignites per zombie but hit damage is almost certainly better
grim field
if you use the fire conversion in zombie tree, serpents milk, dragonflame edict ...
Ya im trying to do a pocorn zombie build and see how it scales
lost gale
Ya im trying to do a pocorn zombie build and see how it scales
you kinda have to blow up zombies with chaos bolts if you want them to be really good, their explosion has really good damage effectiveness but the hit rate is low you really need the multipliers, 1/1 vomit is useful to give you time to detonate them manually
the rings are better than they seem, 2 rings will recycle your 6th zombie 1/3 of the time, your 5th zombie 2/5ths, your 4th zombie 1/2, 3rd zombie 2/3 and 2nd zombie 100%.
grim field
Do the zombies not auto pop?
obtuse quest
you kinda have to blow up zombies with chaos bolts if you want them to be really...
Or you can play apoc zombies and have screen wide zombie explosions every 8 seconds but you feel bad inbetween the cooldowns
grim field
Was aiming more for a start mon summon zombies everything goes boom and dies by fire
I can get around prolif if zombies detonate and resummon fast enough inbetween self casts
Cuz if im understanding them they explode on death so need to drain their hp faster which dread shade helps with
pearl snow
That is true, Chaos bolts just pops them quicker since you dont need to worry about them decaying hp or reaching the target fully etc
And gives a buff when exploding
I think technically you can even let them inherit your DoT chance on the tree too
grim field
Ya theres a poison to ignite conversion and was thinking of dread shade to help brun their hp faster combine that with movement speed and leap should get them there pretty quick
obtuse quest
Ya theres a poison to ignite conversion and was thinking of dread shade to help ...
Their hp only matters for one thing:Reaching their target without dying.
They'll blow up as long as their hp count is more than 1.
grim field
Their hp only matters for one thing:Reaching their target without dying.
So movement speed is more important than drain. So does their initial explode scale only from min dmg or does it include hp as well?
obtuse quest
So movement speed is more important than drain. So does their initial explode sc...
Only from damage. Hp does not contribute to damage.
Like I said, only matters for reaching their target and nothing else.
shrewd valley
How does most mana flay liches get crit avoidance/reduction? Gotten one shot twice in a row now because of crits so need to fix this gap 😅
Also got to thinking - could a sacrifice harvest lich work?
Was thinking the new harvest node that spawns exploding zombies, and the sacrifice relic + neck, and the ring to respawn zombies to maybe make a loop, or at least get your more zombies.
sand knot
there used to be kind of a meme lich autobomber type of build with volatile zombies; I dunno if it was good but it floated around in s1(?)
obtuse quest
there used to be kind of a meme lich autobomber type of build with volatile zomb...
Meme is an understatement, it was an actual good build for it's time.
Now it's dead because you can't spawn hordes of zombies for free anymore.
sand knot
anyway is it dumb to play a lich that doesn't use reaper form? There's too many skills I wanna use and I kinda hate the health drain mechanic
obtuse quest
anyway is it dumb to play a lich that doesn't use reaper form? There's too many ...
You lose out on what is effectively a second health bar, a traversal option, and some misc buffs like increased damage, leech, necrotic and poison res, some inc crit.
It's more of "If you're not using reaper form, why are you playing lich?"
sand knot
yeah I was messing with the planner and found myself thinking eh maybe this would be better if were just a warlock
shrewd valley
Flay, death seal, good melee passives 😏
But I agree, I'm playing without the form and feels like I'm making myself weaker myself because I don't like the look of the form.
sand knot
maybe it'll feel better once I get leveled and have some more sustain
obtuse quest
Flay, death seal, good melee passives 😏
But I agree, I'm playing without the fo...
Playing lich for death seal made more sense when it was a decent duration buff. Now it's just 3 seconds, you might as well also play reaper form for the 2nd health bar.
shrewd valley
Playing lich for death seal made more sense when it was a decent duration buff. ...
Yeah, i don't even have death seal skilled. Just a button to fill out the bar.. So I'm mostly lich because of flay lol
obtuse quest
Yeah, i don't even have death seal skilled. Just a button to fill out the bar.. ...
Fair, but I feel like you'll miss out on all the stuff reaper gives
shrewd valley
Fair, but I feel like you'll miss out on all the stuff reaper gives
Yeah.. I just want a mtx to turn off the transformation.. I really do not like transforming (apart from werebear. That one is dope)
obtuse quest
What are you using if you're not using reaper form though?
That would help with flay
grim field
Im a fan of swarmblade myself lol
shrewd valley
What are you using if you're not using reaper form though?
Currently skilling chaos bolt, marrow shards, flay, harvest, and bone curse. Skill bar is transpose, aura, flay, harvest and death seal
I know this is way from optimal but it works - so far. Just started emp monos
obtuse quest
Wait, why is aura even on the bar for that spec setup?
shrewd valley
To get poison on the enemies for more harvest damage haha
And less poison damage taken
It's honestly just because my only other choice was lich form which I didn't want to use
obtuse quest
To get poison on the enemies for more harvest damage haha
... for 5%?
At the cost of poisoning yourself? Doesn't seem worth it, considering that harvest is not doing much damage in that skill spec lineup.
obtuse quest
You might as well have slapped in rip blood in that slot for panic healing
(Which you probably don't need)
shrewd valley
Yeah, i either survive or get oneshot lol
Guess it's time to accept facts that bone curse skilling is meh, and get the form sadly
obtuse quest
Bone curse is for ultility, it's damage is pretty mid.
shrewd valley
Yeah, not using it myself anyway. Chaos bolts proc it
Still got a free slot on my bars now though. As I swap transplant for the form lol
sand knot
did they ever buff ghostflame btw
sand knot
lol who's shilling for ghostflame, that thing is dog
obtuse quest
Two people. Their builds are actually not too bad for what it is. (A stupid amount of defense, can actually tank a lot of stuff)
grim field
Think i got a base for my zombie necro just need to test tomorrow and see if it works the way im hoping lol
shrewd valley
Still got a free slot on my bars now though. As I swap transplant for the form l...
Got the form and I was definitely playing on hard mode.. Why can't the mtx for lich form be for it to not show 😭
grim field
The ignite from zombies scales off my stats or theirs?
carmine harbor
how are you guys getting your 2LP immortal vises? is it just killing or are you taking your 1lps to turtle?
coral delta
how are you guys getting your 2LP immortal vises? is it just killing or are you ...
Mine dropped from uberroth
But you can also get very lucky with nemesis egg
carmine harbor
Mine dropped from uberroth
ok ty guess ill just keep going haha
coral delta
He drops a few immortal vise per kill, so it's not as difficult to get lp2 compared to shattered world
carmine harbor
hahaa yeah ive taken 2 tab fulls to turtle so far praying haha. get alot of 1lps
coral delta
It's just rng I guess
carmine harbor
yeah for sure. mine will come soon whether its nem turtle or Uberoth haha
coral delta
You know the worst feeling.. I got a 2lp shattered world but it's min roll...
+1 all attribute, +1 crit rate, minimal damage reduction
carmine harbor
ouch thats rough
lost gale
Or you can play apoc zombies and have screen wide zombie explosions every 8 seco...
pretty sure that build uses chaos bolts to detonate them too
lost gale
So movement speed is more important than drain. So does their initial explode sc...
they don't need to manually detonate either, if the enemy kills them they still explode so they just need to be close.
One thing I'm curious about is if you take the chaos bolts nodes that give minions the ailment chance from the chaos bolts skill tree and the detonate zombies nodes then does the zombie gain the ailment chance before it blows up and apply the ailments?
and do zombies benefit from dread shade properly? they're dead when the spell goes off so do they benefit from the buff or not?
obtuse quest
They do, since it's casted as their death skill, probably runs the usual snapshot rules
plain granite
Cana anyone tell me if Tyrants Legions helps phys skellies
Does the phys pen only affect bleed or their regular hits as well
because 5% pen per point seems kinda strong if its all their hits
obtuse quest
Does the phys pen only affect bleed or their regular hits as well
Affects all physical.
Yes, it's effectively 25% more damage at 5 points, assuming you don't have any pen source.
plain granite
cool, thanks
I think I can squeeze out 2x the damage I have now with some gear
and levels
Normal abby melts
Does cdr do anything for the skelly rogues
like is it worth it for the dashes and flasks
lost gale
yeah it does
their shurikens have a 4s cd with 2 charges, the dash has an 8s cd and the flask has a 4 or 5s cd IIRC
vestal thunder
hi guys! i have the full minion necro now, is there any amazing set up with mijions that dont use this abomination that can do high lev monos // corruption at all!?
just not keen on this abomination summon style / seems a nightmare
thanks again for any help- cheers
obtuse quest
hi guys! i have the full minion necro now, is there any amazing set up with miji...
Wraithlord, or Rogue skeletons
charred ridge
Wait, why is aura even on the bar for that spec setup?
could spec AoD instead of bone curse for phys shred for bugged marrow shards dmg
it's most likely the best thing to do if you're gonna use the bug tbh
rich stag
hi guys! i have the full minion necro now, is there any amazing set up with miji...
Wraithlord is a similar playstyle to Abom but it’s great, Rogue Skeletons can be a decent option and plain Wraiths is an option but fall off in higher corruption.
grim field
does the ignite from minions scale from minion dmg or my dot dmg?
old hull
does the ignite from minions scale from minion dmg or my dot dmg?
Minion damage
grim field
Minion damage
does fire pen with ignite carry to them as well i dont see a minion version
old hull
does fire pen with ignite carry to them as well i dont see a minion version
No, only minion stats apply to minions unless you have some effect that explicitly applies
grim field
No, only minion stats apply to minions unless you have some effect that explicit...
k ty just swapping around gear in the planner to accomadate
might have to swap to MG to make it work lolk
lost gale
does fire pen with ignite carry to them as well i dont see a minion version
nope, there's a shared (ie player & minion) fire pen affix on weapons which works and there's fire res shred which will work and there's rite of undeath in the necro passive tree which is the main way necros are getting pen for minions now
grim field
does that take into account all uncapped res??
lost gale
it says overcapped res which means the first 75% doesn't count
grim field
ik but if i do 100+% to all my res does it take all res into account or just the highest
lost gale
does that take into account all uncapped res??
https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/ignite/sources this won't point you at pen unless it's ignite specific rather than fire in general but if you want to know what can work for ignite on minions then I suggest looking at this, it should be everything in the game which causes or interacts with ignite and unless it specifies minions it won't work
lost gale
ik but if i do 100+% to all my res does it take all res into account or just the...
fire res over 75% gives fire pen at a 5:1 rate, necro res over 75% gives necro pen at a 5:1 rate, same for cold/lighting but fire res never gives necro pen and phys res doesn't matter at all for that passive
vestal thunder
Wraithlord is a similar playstyle to Abom but it’s great, Rogue Skeletons can be...
Thanks so much for help and info!! still kind of in the levelling set up mate
grim field
so minon dmg+minion fire seem to be the only ones that effect it
lost gale
minion dot too
grim field
i can never find minion dot unless its on idols
lost gale
and intelligence
all acolyte minions (apart from the one transplant can spawn) scale with intelligence
lost gale
i can never find minion dot unless its on idols
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=minion damage over time&in_description=1&exact_match=0
its also an affix on swords, axes and spears
nocturne viper
Any1 have a loot filter for the mana flay build
tight hawk
Are you using the one on Maxroll?
craggy flax
does the Wraithlord have a pre set level? When using Bones of the Ancestral Pack, it seems like the 2 Wraiths that he summons get the buff/stacks but the Wraithlord himself does not.
old hull
does the Wraithlord have a pre set level? When using Bones of the Ancestral Pack...
Since it's not a wraith or any other specializable minion, its level is probably 0
craggy flax
dang that's a bummer, can't use Bones or T-Rex with Wraithlord...
pearl snow
does the Wraithlord have a pre set level? When using Bones of the Ancestral Pack...
I would make sure the race lord is the closest minion to you as well during testing
On the off chance, he’s the same level as the wraiths
craggy flax
ya I tried that at as well, never got stacks to buff the wraithlord
rich stag
Feels clunky as hell i dont get the hype
It's a different kind of ARPG, it's not for everyone and nor should it be.
Not everyone will enjoy every game and that is good. It's what makes games good to begin with.
And do keep in mind it is an Early Access title. Everyone is very quick to forget that, it's not the end product and it's likely a far cry from what the final product will look like.
vestal thunder
Wraithlord is a similar playstyle to Abom but it’s great, Rogue Skeletons can be...
I’ll work towards wraith lord for sure !!
grim field
does the black sun blessing chance to apply igbnite on hit work with minions?
nvm doesnt do anything for minons
pearl snow
does the black sun blessing chance to apply igbnite on hit work with minions?
Gotta specify minions. But it would if you used the CB node 
And hit them
old hull
Gotta specify minions. But it would if you used the CB node <:Gregory:1328320850...
That only applies the stuff in CB's tree, not global
grim field
does mark of death help with ignite since it reduce res by 25%?
grim field
Gotta specify minions. But it would if you used the CB node <:Gregory:1328320850...
im using zombies to trigger ignite
pearl snow
does mark of death help with ignite since it reduce res by 25%?
I believe so since it should operate similar to resistance shred which does increase the dmg taken by DoT
pearl snow
im using zombies to trigger ignite
I know, I was talking about the node inside CB “The Gate” but it only works with ignite from the tree so I’m wrong anyways lol
grim field
trying to fit both mark of death + minion dot nodes in dread shade lol
will zombies proc flame tornados since they have been converted to fire tag?
old hull
does mark of death help with ignite since it reduce res by 25%?
Yes
A good source is the M4D on minion death in the necro passives or chance on minion hit idols
grim field
Yes
A good source is the M4D on minion death in the necro passives or chance on ...
ya looks like i need 5 passive into it to trigger on minion death so ill move some pts around
brisk elk
i just thought of some really funny tech
also some lovely person just sold this for only 900k
the only one on the market
charred ridge
are you ready to fail the slam?
brisk elk
YESSIR
but basically my tech is
rip blood, marrow shards and death seal all cost no mana
so you can sit at 0 mana
so you use glacier helmet to burn all your mana when you spam evade for death wave
and then you get ward from the boots affix when you use reap
and reap is like a 1.5 second cd
so even with like 300 mana thats 750 ward every 1.5 seconds
brisk elk
are you ready to fail the slam?
lmao it bricked
hit the two suffixes and missed t7 cast speed
XD
brisk elk
devs why cant i just type in what items i want and get them
bad game
im ngl now that im thinking about it
marinas death wave is kinda bad now
because you have to spam evade and reap off cooldown and you barely have any time to cast spells
so you cant maintain damned stacks
maybe its better to just drop that node and play cold or phys
you lose so much dmg tho 🙁
brisk elk
the uptime of death seal itself is way lower now
so you have to spam evade and reap to proc wave
neither of which can be made faster than the base speed
so you have barely any time to cast spells for marinas
meaning you lose a ton of dmg
peak flare
Does Calamity helmet affect Witchfire with Grimhilde's Domain? I haven't seen any build using it.
obtuse quest
Does Calamity helmet affect Witchfire with Grimhilde's Domain? I haven't seen an...
In theory yes.
But in practice you already have a good amount of ignite chance, so it's not really worth losing boneclamor for.
grim field
wht belt summons zombies on potion use>?
brave hearth
What's Max crit people are getting with abom who have killed uber?
brisk elk
wht belt summons zombies on potion use>?
doesnt exist anymore, they replaced it with bees
its an experimental affix
people ran it with chaps of holding
grim field
damn
that woulda made my zombiecorn amazing!
guess time to stack more regen so i can spam more zombies
little wigeon
launch zombie belt was insane lol
grim field
i want it 🙁
stuck maple
If I wanna make a mana flay lich what is the best build to lvl with for a quick and easy transition?
Prob will skip as much of the campaign as I can
broken star
If I wanna make a mana flay lich what is the best build to lvl with for a quick ...
Id say stay with regular acolyte leveling up until lvl 50-55, then respec into Flay lich
stuck maple
Id say stay with regular acolyte leveling up until lvl 50-55, then respec into F...
Wdym by "regular acolyte leveling up?"
And can you sustain enough at that lvl for it to be consistent and well off?
broken star
Regular acolyte into necromancer. Your summons will be absorbing most of the damage while you proc damage from chaos bolts and chronic fissure
Also spirit plague helps against bosses by giving cursing them and giving you shield and health as you attack them
stuck maple
Ah ok gotcha thanks. Any solid uniques that would make the leveling much quicker? Prob try and dungeon skip to get to monos as fast as possible
Awesome thanks. Not very familiar with the class so much appreciate the tips and advice
broken star
No problem! Also phantom grip, rune dagger and woven flesh are good unique to help early on
Its definitely an endgame build so dont be discouraged if you dont get all the required gear soon
obtuse quest
Regular acolyte into necromancer. Your summons will be absorbing most of the dam...
Necromancer? Fissure is a warlock only skill
obtuse quest
I thought minion summoning was a class wide skill regardless of mastery?
Depends on the minion you’re using. Abomination and Wraiths are necromancer only
broken star
No i meant warlock I was confused
obtuse quest
broken star
The leveling guide i used took acolyte into warlock but in the early stages i was using "summon bone golem"
Later swapped by fissure
grim field
ya i normally stack skele+golems till i can start spamming fissure if im working on a warlock build
broken star
Early game was nightmare, had to cast spirit plague early in order to survive otherwise mobs would jump me
I tried mana Flay lich but was kinda slow for clearing monoliths/mobs. Definitely better for bossing.
strong ether
Guys how do I get crit immune without woven flesh? Valeroot or Ox just give EHP and reduction?
little wigeon
Guys how do I get crit immune without woven flesh? Valeroot or Ox just give EHP ...
Can slap on reduced crits on belt/boots/gloves. Plus gives armor. There's also crit avoid blessing/belt/boots/ring. Many ways to do it or just skip it lol 😆 most things die before they hit you and you have loads of DR from endurance/red rings and lots of leech/on hit health
rich stag
Ah ok gotcha thanks. Any solid uniques that would make the leveling much quicker...
If you have access to uniques a thorns build at level 35 is hilarious
little wigeon
There's also the good Ole Firestarter torch
strong ether
Can slap on reduced crits on belt/boots/gloves. Plus gives armor. There's also c...
Alright I will look out for it then. I just thought I missed something in the planner but if it isn’t even there… 🙂
little wigeon
I personally run T7 reduced crits on boots. I know a sin over movement spd lol 😆 I sit at 60% and am fine with that at 1k+ corr
strong ether
I mean flay is teleporting really fast so you have that going for you, ehich is nice 🙂
How much crit do we need with noobz version? I barely have 40% and not even a 2nd RR yet.
nest isnt equiped but that doenst affect crit, right?
pearl grail
helloo,
i keep dying on boss, could it be my 1384 armor that is too low ? (all resistances are caped)
obtuse quest
helloo,
i keep dying on boss, could it be my 1384 armor that is too low ? (all r...
Health count?
pearl grail
Health count?
obtuse quest
Hmm yeah, not 2k hp seems like a problem.
pearl grail
Hmm yeah, not 2k hp seems like a problem.
man, on flay mana build, seems like it's mostly coming from the belt
cosmic blade
Any pro lich players can suss my build? not sure if I'm ready for uberroth yet, https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/tektik/character/dream
coarse hinge
Any good way or trick to get minions to move super fast?
obtuse quest
Any good way or trick to get minions to move super fast?
Cook them with more movespeed
(that's it.)
coarse hinge
Need more speed so I can be further away from the target without them exploding on the way 🙂
found points in skeletons for speed and that fixed it
lost gale
if you use skele rogues instead of warriors they'll generally teleport to a target
and it's not like the hp difference matters in this case
strong ether
How much crit do we need with noobz version? I barely have 40% and not even a 2nd RR yet.
coarse hinge
if you use skele rogues instead of warriors they'll generally teleport to a targ...
thanks for tip, locked out warriors and went with only rogues, seems to work better in monos for clear and kiting around with bosses at distance
plain granite
Whats the build youre doing there
Looks interesting
Got an letools you could share
coarse hinge
Went back to warriors, something buggy with rogues, they mostly run to medium range monsters. Also damage is better if I play up close on single targets
Doing a sacrifice build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMt8XgPPJlQ, still working on it, lots of noob traps I keep falling into
lost gale
Doing a sacrifice build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMt8XgPPJlQ, still worki...
looks sweet, not so sure about the LL reaper form tech but it seems to work
coarse hinge
looks sweet, not so sure about the LL reaper form tech but it seems to work
Still working on how to sustain reaper at low life
lost gale
Still working on how to sustain reaper at low life
its not really possible, reaper form has 100% less health regeneration and endlessly increasing health drain so unless you are currently leeching you are dropping all the time
coarse hinge
its not really possible, reaper form has 100% less health regeneration and endle...
I use DoT leech, potions and transplant heal now to keep it going, but still drops sometimes
lost gale
I think aura of decay's -phys res would add more damage than reaper form fwiw
but positionally that can be tough
coarse hinge
Tried aura, but when unspec-reaper drops I become super squishy
Ideally I need a way to stabilize health below 600. I can balance ward and health at higher levels, but tricky to get it below 600 without dropping out of reaper at the same time 🙂
600 is the health of corpse parasites
The new chest is pretty nice, gives a way to do corrupted form balance both health, ward and low life ward mechanic
obtuse quest
New chest?
coarse hinge
If only I didnt actually have to be low life...
Astral Blood, you can run it with health leech and maintain ward and health at same time
lost gale
Ideally I need a way to stabilize health below 600. I can balance ward and healt...
cannot be done, reaper form health decay increases endlessly
if you had 10k maxhp and 999999999% healing effect so that AoD's healing put you to full health each second eventually reaper form would still decay more than your maxhp between ticks of AoD healing
but if you used exsanguinous instead of the primordial chest and AoD instead of reaper form you could have stable LL ward, probably more damage and use a different primordial that may be better for your build
coarse hinge
I think AoD would double the damage
Aura made it easier to keep unspec reaper up
Think Aura is my new favourite skill 🙂
wintry flame
if you don't use reap you can put it back to the reaper form and have the form off CD by the time it falls off
coarse hinge
if you don't use reap you can put it back to the reaper form and have the form o...
how?
switch skill
wintry flame
Enter Reaper Form, swap the Reap skill back to reaper form, then you can press reaper before it runs out again. You could probably even make the swap a macro so everytime you press Reaper form it auto swaps or something
coarse hinge
Would be great if this could be smooth, also gives close to immortality
sure this works? the skill went on cooldown when reaper dropped
Have 12 sec cooldown on reaper and takes around 2min before aura can not out heal the health drain. So this makes it pretty smooth for monos
wintry flame
you use it before it drops
it resets the degen
I did it to speed up my arena pushes and also abused zone portaling to reset CD to just reset the degen every mono, zone change, etc.
strong ether
How much crit do we need with noobz version? I barely have 40% and not even a 2nd RR yet.
brisk elk
How much crit do we need with noobz version? I barely have 40% and not even a 2n...
are you chaos bolts or marrow shards?
brisk elk
How much crit do we need with noobz version? I barely have 40% and not even a 2n...
this is not including the 100% from lich and the 100% from harvest
little wigeon
Also make sure to change to reaper form and proc harvest for the global crit bonus
brisk elk
with no added crit anywhere else, if you have max crit rolls on weapons you get 5+4+13=22*(1+0.5+1+1)=77% crit chance without increased crit chance or phantom grip
little wigeon
I still run the 80% crit blessing as well
So you can do that to help get closer to cap
brisk elk
dont even need it rly
stuck owlBOT
brisk elk
Ok I have 65% infight. I have marrwo shards and chaos bolts?
are you not running harvest?
strong ether
sure I use it on cd for the mana
brisk elk
you should be at more than 80% unless your weapons have bad rolls
strong ether
4% on tithe and 12 on tongue
brisk elk
if you really want to cap crit you can use grasp of the blood mage or get %increased crit chance on gloves or a red ring
you lose a bit of attack speed from immortal vise but its basically the same
strong ether
nah I just dipped blood mage for eternals for armor shred
my tongue has no shred on it
brisk elk
fair enough
strong ether
if 70 something is enoug hthats fine for me. was just curious with 40 outfight so...
brisk elk
marrow shards gets extra crit chance as well
so until bug fix, you dont even need to cap crit for cb
since marrow does more dmg for bossing
once they fix marrow it will be more important to get extra crit
strong ether
thats nice to know thx
echo nexus
All my bricks of today trying to farm gloves for switching to mana flay lich 🥲 All these slams had T7 mana and T7/6 attack speed. I guess endurance is still somewhat usable but damn I feel wronged
cosmic blade
shred no good on glove?
sand knot
does anyone play cold flay lich? it seemed interesting but I dont think i've ever seen a build that does it
cosmic blade
Anyone using mana flay lich and can slay uberoth? I need help pls pm !
brisk elk
does anyone play cold flay lich? it seemed interesting but I dont think i've eve...
its strong
i can give you a planner one sec
maxroll has a guide that is mostly correct but doesnt use chaos bolts to proc harvest
brisk elk
does anyone play cold flay lich? it seemed interesting but I dont think i've eve...
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qn5d5K1A heres an example
stuck owlBOT
brisk elk
doesnt have to be exactly like this one
sand knot
yea that's pretty close to what I was thinking about, neat
does it struggle with mana sustain at all or do you just kinda spam harvest when you run low?
brisk elk
does it struggle with mana sustain at all or do you just kinda spam harvest when...
the maxroll version doesn't include this but you can get 28 mana gained on harvest as a chest affix
meaning you can pretty much weave a harvest between every couple flays and you're good
harvest actually does higher sustained dps than flay, but you want to flay at least once per second to proc 3 harvests from chaos bolts and maintain stacks
and for mapping its nice to be able to just hold down flay and weave in a harvest every so often
if you didn't have the chest affix you would have to spam a lot of harvest and use flay sparingly
charred axle
If you convert flay to eruption only, does it no longer trigger chaos bolts?
idle fractal
what would we say is the best 1h weapon for necrozoo? would it be apogee?
charred axle
Yea I figured that was likely the case, part of me hoped that the conversion from MAS to cast speed would apply similarly
Well disappointing for the idea I had but ultimately simplifies things
carmine harbor
All my bricks of today trying to farm gloves for switching to mana flay lich 🥲...
That mana/ shred roll is the one I've been trying to get for days for mana flay